Toronto Mike'd: The Official Toronto Mike Podcast - Dave Charles and Mark Hebscher: Toronto Mike'd #1198

Episode Date: February 3, 2023

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me today, returning to Toronto Mic'd, is Dave Charles. And joining us remotely, fresh from a new episode of Hebsey on Sports, Mark Hebbsher. I haven't been called that before. I love it, I love it. This is my dream come true. I get to be on a sport talk show with Toronto Mic'd, and I'm just going to be talking shit for the next hour, right? Hebsey, didn't you have a question?

Like, what the hell is this? Maybe this is- Yeah, like, how did this come about here, Dave? You want to have your own sports talk show, and you need- No, no, no, no, no. Like, you need a good first guest, or what? Like, what is this? No, no, let me give you a bit of background. When I was consulting CBS Radio News in New York, they had me do...

By the way, you never called me, by the way, ever for a gig. Not once did I have your phone ever ring going, yeah, it's dead. I really like your work. You want to come work here for like seven figures? Anyway, let me finish the backgrounding so we get this straight. W-E-I in Boston, a great sport radio station. I used to listen to them at night after I finished my work. And I always wanted... The Swartz Huddle. Oh, absolutely. And I said, I want to do that. I want to do it. at night after I finished my work. The Swartz huddle. Oh, absolutely!

And I said, I want to do that. One day, I'm going to do that. Mostly, I've been a music guy all my life, but I said, this is where this is my calling. This is where I've got to be. I've got to be at home plate, you know. And so I figured, okay, who do I know who can do that with me? Hep C! Hep C can do that. And so I figured, look, I put the idea

in Toronto Mike's head, and I said, we've got to get this together. So here we are. You so I figured, look, I put the idea in Toronto Mike's head, and I said, we've got to get this together. So here we are. You twisted his arm, did you? I did. Dave Charles made me an offer I couldn't refuse. So this is, in essence, this is Toronto Mike episode 1198. Yes.

F-E-A-T dot Dave Charles. Like the kids do it, right? I like the brand. Branding is important. You know that. So, okay, before we get into it and dave uh basically we're making your dreams come true here today uh shout out to just like all the notes like i feel like it's like uh you're not dying or anything right this is like a bucket list thing and you have days to live i come here to get younger right the whole thing remember you said i look So, Hebsey, you look great for your age, but this man here, do you know how old Dave Charles is?

No. Dave, how old are you? 79. And he looks fantastic. He can't be 79. But it's amazing to me that all those years in radio, he never got his own sports talk show. I can't believe it. I was in a chair.

I could make a decision. I could put myself in the chair. But I said, no, I'm not good enough. I had people like Mark Daly to work with and Dave Wright and Cactus Jack Wells. You know, these classics. John Wells' father, yeah? Yeah, John Wells' father. But why did you name him? Norm Marshall in Hamilton at CHML, one of my idols.

Who, Norm was your idol or Mike? No, Norm Marshall. Norm, me too. Yeah, yeah. Nobody, he's gritty. He's gr Marshall. I like Norm. Me too. Yeah. Yeah. Nobody. He's gritty. He's gritty. I like him. So let me remind the listenership and then I will recede into the

background for a bit. And then, uh, at some point we're going to say goodbye to the format of this show. I don't understand what the format is. It's called trash talking, man. Oh,

okay. Roll with me. Hebsy roll with me. I'm going to tell people. The initial Dave Charles episode is in the archives, and I wrote the description at the time. Mike chats with radio veteran Dave Charles about his years at CKOC, 1050 Chum, launching Q107. I'm going to be asking you some Q107 questions later.

And that episode went about 90 minutes. And Dave, remind me, you were upstairs because there was work being done in the basement. Is that correct? I had more headroom up there, apparently. Did you hit your head here now? No. You arrived during Hebsey on Sports.

I know. Well, I couldn't. He's one of my favorites. He is one of the most underrated sports people in North America. And I just wanted to pay him homage, you know. And this is my homage to Hebsey. But why did you never offer him a gig?

Because I wasn't in a position to do that. You know, I didn't have a sports show for him. You have Paulie. You are now, though, aren't you, Dave? Well, I'm going to do that right after the show. So you stand by, all right? We're going to do something big. But first of all, let's get this done.

Let's show him how to do it. So let me pass the mic. You should be retired, man. You're 79 years old. You should be retired. No, I'm just starting. You should be retired. You should be somewhere in Florida golfing or watching, you know, playing pickleball.

This is the fountain of youth of radio. This is the florida golfing or watching this is the fountain of youth of radio this is the fountain of youth of media this is the fountain of youth i come here to get younger every time i get come he said geez you look younger and i said i'm coming back what's the red in the beard that throws me off like you look my age are you gen x i'm a ginger i'm a ginger right so you're right hebsey it's a bit of a different show because I'm making this man's dream come true. So I'm going to let Dave Charles chat up the legend that is Mark Hebser and do a little sports talk off the top.

So I'll be here as like a third wheel or whatever. But Dave, you're now in charge. This is your sports talk show. Mark Hebser on the line. I'm your guest. He's your guest. Pepper him with the hard questions and get that Bruins cap off your head.

No, no, no. This is my center of mind. I love what the Bruins are doing to the NHL right now. I looked at the Leafs game the other night. What was that score again, guys? There's no comment from the peanut gallery. Anyway, this is Charles on sports and my guest

today is Mark Hebbshire. where's my theme music okay yeah because i want to chat about this okay come on come on pick up pick him up pick him up oh the average white man yeah man come on we're gonna pick it up 74 solid goal 10 50 on show yeah yeah and now the dave Show with Dave Charles. Oh, love those guys. And you know they're Scottish. You didn't even know that. Everybody's better from Scotland.

Not from Scotland. Funky white guys, what can I tell you? They are. Anyway, we've got to get off to a good start. Music makes me crazy. I was going to use something really obscure like Weather Report and Birdland, but nobody would know that song. That's not obscure, though.

Hebsey would know that. Yeah, Hebsey. We're going to talk to Jays right now. Right off the top, let's get right into the meat of it. We're 30 days away from spring training. Let's talk about how the Jays are going to do it this year or not. Let's go through the lineup. What do you think?

What's your initial response to all the trades in the offseason, all the moves? You know, the club has been broken up a little bit. What do you think of the New Look Jays? I like them. But I don't think they're going to win the division necessarily. But they're certainly a better team than they were last year. But a lot of things have got to happen with the starting rotation.

I mean, you know, I haven't seen Chris Bassett pitch. I don't know if he's necessarily going to be a great pitcher. My big concern with the Jays in baseball is all the rule changes all come at once. Yeah, I agree. It's going to affect the game dramatically. Spring training, you're going to find, like, the pitchers, like, I got how many seconds to throw this ball? Oh, I got five more seconds if there's a runner on base.

And if I'm the batter, I got to get into the batter's box when the count reaches eight, or else I'm going to get charged a strike against me. He's charged a ball against him. And yeah, I just think that's going to really make it for, you know, I'm hoping that it's a smooth transition. I don't think it will be. No, I agree 100%.

Other than that, they've got the talent. Listen, they should have done better than they did last year. That's the age old story. You got the talent. Listen, they should have done better than they did last year. That's the age-old story. You've got the talent to do it. And so if everybody improves, if Bo improves and Vladdy improves. It's all about pitching. I mean, you know, I would like to make a deal to get Kikuchi out of there. I don't think he should be in that.

Who wants him? Nobody wants him. And Hanjin Ryu is likely scheduled for July if everything goes okay with the rehab. And then we made a nice move with Chad Green. I thought that was a really nice addition. You're not going to pitch probably until July anyway. Exactly. He's coming off Tommy John.

He's coming off Tommy John. You don't know how he's going to come back. You don't know how Ryu's going to come back. But I remember his stuff. He was a J-killer. Yeah, but you said the same thing about Kyle Drabeck when he came back from Tommy John. He didn't do shit.

For every pitcher that you hope does well after Tommy John, most of them don't. I know, but I like, I like, we got, we got a hard nose guys in the outfield. You know,

we've got, uh, who've we got there? We got, uh, we got, we got, we got, we got,

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we got, we got, and we've got, you got three center fielders. You got Kermire, Varshow, and Springer. There's your three center fielders.

Yep. Right. Beyond that, beyond that, you've got a myriad of, uh, situations where you could put Merrifield in the outfield. And Bijoux, Outfielders. Yep. Right? Beyond that, you've got a myriad of situations where you could put Merrifield in the outfield. And Biggio.

And Biggio as well. Biggio can play the outfield as well, right? Espinel is your backup third baseman to Chapman. Yep. He could be your starting second baseman. Merrifield could be your starting second baseman. And Espinel's also played shortstop as well, don't forget. Yeah, he can play some shortstop as well to backup.

So you've got your utility guys. You've got your got your backup guys you got a great backup guy at first with brandon belt who's a great clubhouse guy with three world series rings left-handed hitter so you've added your left-handed now all it is they just got to play 162 games and then in the playoffs don't lay an egg like they did last year i know hey at home at home i gotta ask you what's all games in toronto what's at home what what what is mattingly going to bring to the bench what do you think well ownership uh future ownership of the uh what is it the nashville team what team is he uh he's a consultant for how does he how do you be how are you the bench coach for the blue jays yet you're a part owner in a future team i guess oh mattingly's

great man i caught you not learned from donnie Baseball? So that'll be great. How much of an effect does the coaching staff have on a team? Well, I think overall, you're looking at a different clubhouse. Without Tay Oscar, without Lourdes, right? Yep. You know, so maybe that was the first step, and Mattingly was part of that process of making sure that we've got all the right people. Everyone's on the same page. Oh,

we have our, we can have our fun. Yep. May not have a home run jacket next year. Certainly aren't going to have sunflower seeds being flipped around. Let's get fucking serious. Seattle, the way Seattle was.

Yeah. Let's get serious. The way Seattle was serious. Seattle was the playoffs last year. Exactly. We didn't have that demeanor for the whole season, you know, and I think it's serious.

Yeah, I agree. Now you've got guys like, you've got guys like like varsho like bassett like especially belt yep that have some pedigree yep right that have been there that are what they call professionals that's not to suggest that lourdes guriel and tasker were not professionals but i don't know there's a different level of professionalism and maybe the Jays needed that. They needed more focus. And perhaps those players weren't focused on putting the energy into the things that we had hoped that they would.

And the results speak for themselves. They failed in the playoffs. Let's talk about some of the changes at the Rogers center. They're going to reconfigure the field. I've seen the layout. They got the bullpen where you can see it. What's your thoughts on that? Unless they can find a way to make the entrance to the building more welcoming,

I still find it odd that when you're walking up to the Rogers Center and you go through security, it's dark. And then you go through the turnstiles, it's dark. And then you still have to walk another, I don't know, 100 feet before you get any glimpse of, especially if you're in the 100 level, any glimpse of the field and any sense of, ooh, it's a baseball park. When you first walk in, it's concrete and it's concessions, concessions and more concessions and pillars and posts and keep walking.

And then there's the ballpark. I would rather like in most of these places that I love going to Cleveland, Detroit, you name it. You can see the ball. You can see the entrance. You can see the field from blocks away. When you walk to Cleveland, it's like, oh, you're three blocks away. There it is.

I can see everything happening there. But when you walk into Rogers Center, it's like going into an indoor arena, which is essentially really what it is. I can see everything happening there. But when you walk into Rogers Center, it's like going into an indoor arena, which is essentially really what it is. So I hope when they've reconfigured it, at least it's more airy and light and welcoming and I don't know, something. Yep. That'll help.

Well, I just think they're turning it into a big social event because they want to have more venues where people can hang out. And there are people go to the ball game where they don't even want, I watch them, they don't watch the ballgame at all. They're just there hanging out.

Exactly, you know, so they're making more of that, more inclusive in that environment. But let's talk about outside the stadium. You related to, you know, the atmosphere outside. What about the buskers? Do we have a good quality buskers? Oh, yeah. The drummer out there, man, on that walkway, right?

The walkway that comes from Front Street, right, to, you know, south from Front Street. We got Spider-Man as well hanging around. What does Hebsey think of the Ted Rogers statue? You know what? Usually the Ted Rogers statue is only used as a landmark to meet someone. Like when I go to the ballgame with my buddy Jeffff church right i say just maybe at the ted rogers statue so that area there and then we go and he's a season ticket holder so you go in the season ticket holder gate which is right there so that's

but but beyond that it's a place where pigeons hang out really it's you know the other the other thing we got to get sorted this year is i think we need to give the home plate lady a throne. She's earned it. She's so regal. The best dressed lady I've ever seen in a ball game. And she's sitting there and she poses and eats her snacks. I just think we've got to get her a throne. I don't like her.

Oh, let's hear more about this, Hebsey. What do you not like about her? When I watch a baseball game, I'm interested in the baseball players. I'm not interested in seeing what the eight people behind home plate are doing. Okay. I know you are. You're fixated by this, but I couldn't give a shit. I'm sure she's lovely.

But I mean, really? I mean, you know, like my cousin from Chicago is a baseball. He's like, what home plate lady? What the fuck is this? Is this the mascot? No, no. Every game. Every single game.

I know. She's the one over the umpire's left shoulder that's her every game there's getty lee who's sitting there well no but you don't see getty lee you never but i'm talking from the center field camera basically there's one two yeah like eight to ten people you can get a good close look at last year there was one idiot one fucking hump in those seats that had a um a sign I don't even remember what the sign was for. And every time he knew that every time they, just as the pitcher was about to throw the pitch,

they would cut to the center field camera. And just as the pitcher's delivering, he'd hold up this sign, whatever it said, before every pitch. Now I'm totally distracted by this hump. I'm trying to watch the game. So they should have some way to, this hump. I'm trying to watch the game. So they should have some way to

some screen or some technological way to just I don't want to see the faces. I don't want to see the fans while I don't play. I want to see the pitch. I want to see that little strike zone thing. And that's it. I don't want to see these other people. Now, after the pitch has been thrown, you can

cut to as many because there's going to be 15 to 20 seconds between pitches, right? Yeah. In that 15 to 20 seconds, the director can cut from that fan to that fan to that fan to the player to his batting average to the next pitch. It's easy in baseball. It's the easiest thing in the world. But when it comes to sports, it's very predictable, right?

Very predictable. Here's the first pitch to the guy. It's a called strike. Now you cut to a shot from the third base camera, and here's the guy, and here's his batting average, OPS, and everything like that. Boom. Now you go to the center field shot from behind the pitcher

to show where the location is. And in Toronto, there's people there. In other ballparks, there aren't, right? But for more and more ballparks, yeah, because those seats are worth a lot, and your friends can see you. So they can charge thousands of dollars for you. Look, I saw you, Mary Hart.

That's you right behind home plate at the Dodger game every game. Remember, for years, they had the guy with the white hat and the radar gun. Oh, yeah. I know. Remember, before you knew it nowadays. But back in those days, the guy had a guy with a radar gun. White hat at Dodger Stadium in that lower section there. That's like right at field level behind screens.

I'd be watching these people going, why am I watching this guy with a white hat? I'm trying to work this out. I just find it distracting. Nothing against home plate lady, but there's got to be something better to talk about. No, Dave, I think we have our lead now. Hebsey man shits all over home plate lady.

Tune in to episode 1190. We've got to get her. She never talks. I don't know what she sounds like. That's all I need, Mike. It's all I need for you to start a Twitter war with the home plate lady. I don't think she's on Twitter. I think that's irrelevant. That's an imposter. Let's tune in the game and see if the home plate lady's there and what she's wearing. No.

No, no, no, no, no. Pat Tabler's not there anymore, so there's going to be no comments on home plate lady. He's in Cincinnati. Good. Now, listen Tabler's not there anymore, so there's going to be no comments on home plate later. He's in Cincinnati. Good. Now, listen, let's switch up a little bit here. I want to talk about the NFL for just a bit. Why doesn't Toronto have an NFL team?

You know the answer to that. Come on, I want to hear you. You know the answer to that. Toronto needs to have a strong Canadian Football League franchise. Okay? They have to. This is where the money is. This is where the money is. This is where the networks are.

This is the center of the universe. And having an NFL team would absolutely kill that, no matter what anyone tells you. It would kill it. Kill it. Okay. And you have to have a stadium that's big enough, you know, to hold the capacity that the NFL wants,

which is somewhere around 70, which you can't do at the Rogers. After the retrofit, it's even less. So you don't have an NFL stadium. Besides that, though, it would be great to have a team. Well, the World Cup is going to come. We're going to get a few games. Are they going to retrofit the current stadium? Yeah, I guess they are

to World Cup standards. I don't know what that is. Is it 60,000 or whatever the number is? Yeah, it is. They haven't even announced where, you know, I would assume that, you know, that Rogers Center is the primo place. It's not going to be BMO Field, is it? I don't know.

I think it is. Because you've got to have it on natural grass. Can you have it at the Rogers Center? They don't have natural grass. That's right. So if you don't have natural grass, you're not going to hold a World Cup on turf. No. So that answers that.

So we answered our own question there. Didn't you do your research before you started this show? I got all the paperwork right here. It's going to be BMO. They've already announced renovations and stuff to build up the sidewalls or whatever. Of what? BMO.

BMO, right, because that's the soccer pitch. Sure. It's not going to be Rogers Center. No. So you'd have to do it. I don't know what the minimum is. Is it $45,000, Mike, for World Cup? I don't know.

They got a lot of work to do then because right now, what is it, $30,000? $35,000? Yeah, I think you can get $30,000 to $35,000 in there if you add the temporary seating. I don't know. Anyway, they got a couple of years to do that. Not until 2026, right? Hey, Hebsey, how's Dave Charles doing so far? I just want to check in here as I receive him.

I think he's kind of a little all over the place here. He's got so many things on his mind. He's got so far. I just want to check in here as I read. I think he's kind of a little all over the place. He's got so many things on his mind. He's got so much. But I thought that the home plate lady that high up in the show was I don't know. It could have been an error. He knows what the people want. It stopped the momentum. Because I don't have a scouting report on the

home plate lady. I'd rather hear. Is she going to be at spring training? That's the other thing. Once you start seeing the spring training games. All these strangers with white white white legs and white arms and pasty looking with blue jay caps and sunglasses are going to be sitting by.

What the hell? Hebsey tried to get into the facility and was not allowed in. This is back when Richard Griffin was the media guy. In fact, Hebsey was just on here. He was a couple weeks ago with Richard Griffin. It was amazing, right, Hebsey? But Hebsey couldn't get in.

I had tickets for five games in spring training last year, and all five were canceled because of COVID. Yeah, yeah. Right? So, so much for that. And couldn't do any of that. And now this year, we're not going down for spring training this year. Although, I bet you it'll be really exciting.

Spring training is going to be wild this year. Dave, you let me know when you want another one of your jams. We can intersperse it here, break it up a bit. I wanted more chatter about the, what is it? What are they called? The Average White Band? What's that band called? The Average White Band.

Pick up the pieces. Cut the cake. Like that jam is, everyone knows that song, but I don't think a lot of people know about the group. They're from Scotland? They're from Scotland. That's it? Robbie McIntosh?

One hit wonder. And stuff like that. But I also wanted to get into talking about World Cup. You know, are you happy with the situation in the World Cup last year? What do you mean? Well, I mean, World Cup, we had one goal for the entire tournament, and I just want to know what you think of the future going forward for Canada. Oh, for Canada.

Yeah, yeah. What do I think, Steve? I think it looks pretty darn good. I mean, I'm not really up on the development teams or whatever, but Alphonso Davies is still going to be a superstar, even more so in the coming couple of years. Jonathan Davis, you know, yeah. But, I mean, I'm not disappointed because I didn't think they would do well

because, as you saw, that was a group of death. It was a tough job. Oh, we were like, oh, Morocco. Are you fucking kidding me? Morocco was better than us in the world. Yeah. Right? So any expectations of getting through the group stage, no.

The fact that we scored a goal, the fact that we almost, I mean, you you know we got off to a great start against croatia and should have you know the penalty and all that and that whole thing it shouldn't have been alfonso it should have been someone else that was bullshit man i mean i just think the fact that we won conca calf and got in you know should have been enough but how can you just say oh we just want we're happy to be in you want to be able to contend especially after what happened with the women winning gold you know the men were like no man we want to do something but and morocco good squad croatia really really squad yeah and and belgium i mean think of belgium you're disappointed that you didn't get through belgium right right belgium i know right okay morocco got through croatia got through

belgium didn't get through that was the group of death what about italy i mean i got a lot of italian friends in toronto italy didn't even qualify but here's the beautiful thing is we don't have to none of that drama will take place leading up to the next world cup because we've already qualified so there won't be that we gotta win i know no advantage whatsoever so it's it's it's dead qualifying. It's like a dead rubber in tennis where the match means nothing. But you have to play it anyway. That's what it's going to be like for qualifying.

We don't have to qualify. It's great to see the development of players and how we're clicking. Wonderful. But if we have a shit qualifying, it doesn't matter. We're in anyway. I'm peeking at Dave's notes. I'm peeking at Dave Charles' notes here. And I know what's coming next,

and I can't wait for you to ask Hebsey about this league, because as you know, Dave, I co-host Hebsey on Sports, and we record every Friday at 9 a.m. In fact, there's a fresh episode, I think it's 319, in the feed right now. So pause this episode,

subscribe to Hebsey on Sports, where you get just unfiltered, raw Hebsey sports commentary every week. But please, go ahead. Ask him about this particular league. I'm dying to hear what Hebsey says. The National Women's Soccer League? Go ahead and ask me. The National Women's Hockey League?

Go ahead and ask me. Oh, CFL. The WNBA? Come on, let's go. No, no, no. I'm going to talk to you about the CFL. We hear that the Nova Scotia group is going to get a franchise. Is that right? Do you know anything about that? Who's the commissioner of the CFL?

I don't know. You must know that. I don't know who he is. Should I Google it? Why would we talk about a league that nobody knows in the name of the commissioner? Gary Bettman in the NHL. Right? Right?

I thought it was Toronto White. Who's the commissioner of baseball? Dave, do you love the CFL? Rob Manfred? Yeah, I do. I grew up in Hamilton. I'm a Tiger Cat fan. Dave, I've told the story a million times, okay? My face has turned blue. I was a CFL fan growing up.

I was the Toronto Argonauts play-by-play broadcaster in 1995 and 96. I loved the league. They lost an entire generation of fans with their stupid blackout rule. They have no leadership. People don't want to stay with the same CFL team for more than a year or two, and they'll go find their fortune somewhere else. And what built the CFL for years was the fact that players would come and stay.

And you could look at the roster of a team, and the roster would be virtually the same three or four years later. And now I couldn't tell you how many guys on the Argonauts have been with the team for more than four years, three years. Well, it's always been a taxi squad for the NFL, right? Well, I don't like it, okay?

I like some consistency. I like to know that the same players are going to be on the team. And if I go get a jersey, it'll last more than two years. I'm serious, Dave. You know as well as I do that the CFL, because of the when their season begins in fucking may or june that by the time the nfl training camps cut their players their best players that can't make the squad they end up coming to the canadian football league and that's wrong man it's not the way to develop a team you don't wait for cuts from the nfl to add to your squad you build your team from the beginning and

you hope that those guys stay together. You build a championship team. You build good rivalries, and they don't have that in the CFL. Who's going to change that culture? I mean, you're right. Not too late for me. Exactly, exactly. And like you said, I got the NFL to watch if I want to watch football.

College football. College football is good. College football is huge. It is huge, absolutely. In fact, I got news for you. I'd rather watch Canadian college football than the CFL. At least I know who the players are going to be. Yeah.

At least I know if this kid's in his third year, he's got another year or two more years. How many years can you play college football in Canada? Five years? Probably. I think it's five years. At the most, yeah. At the most, yeah.

Because there was like a – because what's his name was like 26 when he was the quarterback for Laval, the Rouge at Orr. He was like 26, 27. They had a bunch of guys that had gone to Sajep for a few years in Quebec, which is like junior college. And then like the full deal at Bishops or Concordia or whatever.

And these guys are like 27, 26, 27 years old playing Canadian college football. And they're pretty good. Dave, does it sadden you to hear, because Hebsey is a similar vintage to you, a bit of a younger man, but still that generation loves the CFL. That's back when Toronto only had the two teams, right? You had the Leafs and you had the Argos. And to lose a Hebsey, like that doesn't bode well for the younger folk. Like how do you get the under30 crowd to love the CFL?

Well, in my opinion, I don't think that the culture is there. I don't think there's anybody that's laying out the culture and what that's all about. Hebsey's right. I don't think we have developed a core group of players that everybody knows. I mean, when I was growing up in Hamilton watching the Tiger Cats, I knew everybody. I knew the league. I knew our competitors. I knew we hated the Toronto Argonauts and the Montreal Al I knew everybody. I knew the league. I knew our competitors.

I knew we hated the Toronto Argonauts and the Montreal Alouettes. But we knew the players. You know, there was real rivalry, and that just doesn't exist anymore. You have to have rivalry. It's just not there, you know. And players get traded away. They're not there long enough, and it gets turned over. But I think that to come back to the point about getting an East Coast team based out of Halifax or wherever I think is going to be really important

and then start to develop the culture, the new culture of the CFL. It's not going to happen, Dave. It's not going to happen. It's not going to happen and here's why. Because the CFL shows no interest at all in moving to Halifax or anywhere out East. They just don't. There's not a cry for it. The same way there's not a cry for the CFL in Quebec City.

Yeah? Yep. And they've got a stadium there. They've got football fans there, but they're Laval fans. They're college fans. How do you get them into the CFL? Well, you've got to get in there. But again, if you're marketing the CFL, how are you going to go into these places and go, wouldn't you love the Canadian Football League to come to your town?

You think they're going to be going, oh, yeah, we can hardly wait. Oh, boy, we can see the Toronto Argonauts. And what's the guy's name? He's the quarterback with the hyphenated name? Or what's the other guy? No. It doesn't have popularity across the country. It certainly doesn't in Western Canada.

They got nothing else to do. Nothing. You got the Flames. You got the Stampeders. The Oilers. You got the Elks. We are not worthy. I think we've just trashed the CFL.

It's over. It's over. Well, it sounds to me. Look, I can tell you. I got a 21-year-old. Hepsey's got a couple of young sons. My 21-year-old loves football. Won't touch the CFL with a 10-foot pole.

Yep. NFL, right? Yeah. Oh, yeah. NFL all day long. Couldn't name a player in the CFL. A marquee player. And could probably name most quarterbacks in the NFL.

Hepsey, I tuned in for the Grey Cup. I know you in the NFL. I tuned in for the great cup. I know you didn't, but I tuned in for the great cup and won this year. We did. The Argos one. I remember that, but my, I was actually trying to talk my son into it.

Like, okay, this is an event. It's the final. It's a, you know, it's a, whatever.

And I still couldn't get my boy to watch that damn game. Hey, why do you think that is Mike? I, he just thinks it's a Mickey mouse amateur hour, uh, low rent league. and I still couldn't get my boy to watch that damn game. Why do you think that is, Mike? He just thinks it's a Mickey Mouse amateur hour low-rent league, and he's a big league guy. There you go. He's big league chew, as we used to. And the Argos averaged, what, 12,000 fans a game?

Yeah. Yeah, that's pretty sad when you think about it. Why is that? Is that because most of the fans are in the 905 and they're afraid to come to Exhibition Place? No, I think it that because most of the fans are in the 905 and they're afraid to come to exhibition place? No, I think it's because most of the fans are, you know,

probably, but well, if you haven't, first of all, you had the Thai cats that came in here a couple of times, right? So you're going to get bigger crowds anyway, because everyone from Hamilton comes in and fills the place.

Right. So I just, I don't know if there's, I mean, you've got maybe you've got 10, you've got pretty much the same 10,000 fans that you've had for the last 25 years. And they're dying. The same 10,000 hardcore fans.

Am I right, Dave? You look at the demographic, absolutely right. They're older, and they're just there for tailgating. That's it. They just want a good barbecue and a few brewskis. That's it. Right. And the other thing, too, is betting on the CFL has never and will never be as popular

as betting on the NFLfl has never and will never be as popular as betting on the nfl no or other sports right cfl betting especially with the single point and whatever is just is it's a clusterfuck betting like can you imagine you know hey bet rivers come on if the cfl today we got this a plus 247 and a half and a chance to win again with a rouge and a safety touch no chance man no chance and by the way, will McDonald McLeod, Bethel McLeod, will he be over and under 15 rushing yards today? No. It's not like

that. If you ask, will Jalen Hurts be over 80 rushing yards over under? Oh, that's a good bet there. What about Pat Mahomes? Oh, Pat Mahomes will he throw for? But nobody cares. Those prop bets don't work, CFL, because they're not where I'm from in Western Canada. I could be completely wrong.

I don't know. Maybe people in Winnipeg and Regina and all that, or that's all they do is bet not CFL. That's all you have out there. Remember that. Before we get back to what are we calling this Toronto, David, or is it Charles on sports? It's like a, it's hardly, hardly,

but you're doing a great job and I'm glad we can make your dreams come true and we're sorry you only have a week left to live but I'm glad we got this make a wish. This is like the make a wish foundation. You said I'm dying on the show. You already said I'm just dying on the show. I'm not cutting it, man. I'm going to have to fire myself. Did you say dying on the show? Shout out

to Ridley Funeral Home. I don't know about you, Dave, but when I die, I hope the good people at Ridley Funeral Home take care of me? Shout out to Ridley Funeral Home. I don't know about you, Dave, but when I die, I hope the good people at Ridley Funeral Home take care of me. Shout out to Brad Jones. He's a good singer, too. So shout out to Ridley Funeral Home. That's Canadian David Clayton Thomas. Yeah, who I had a phone. And when I die.

But I think it's a Billie Holiday song. I had a phone scheduled with David Clayton Thomas, arranged by the great Eric Alper. And then at the last minute, to protect him from himself, the plug was pulled on this. I don't think he was any condition to do a phoner with Toronto Mike. Interesting. That's what you said about me.

That's why it took me so long to get on the show. Well, Dave, you broke in during that field sports. 955 episodes later, you said, okay, let's get Dave down here. We've got to do a filler, right? So I'm a filler. I want you to know that right now. The Q107 talk is coming okay, let's get Dave down here. We got to do a filler, right? So I'm a filler. I want you to know that right now. And the Q107 talk is coming, but I am giving Dave gifts here.

Now, this is a flashlight. Let me pull this out here. Oh, I love this. So, courtesy of Ridley Funeral Home and measuring tape. Dave, you got to measure stuff, man. Okay. What can I measure?

You mentioned the brewskis earlier at a tailgating party. The best beer in this city. Right here. Great Lakes beer brewed right here in southern Etobicoke. Fresh craft beer. Right here. Great Lakes.

Great Lakes. You love your Great Lakes. And if you're going to eat with that Great Lakes, I recommend Palma Pasta. Absolutely. Hebsey, did you ever dive into that lasagna you got from the Richard Griffin episode? What do you think?

Yeah, I can still see some sauce on your face. So, Dave, did you get a lasagna last time you were here? Yeah, I got a lasagna. My wife said, get the eggplant parm, you know, because it's very good. Well, you should have put that order in before you got here, Dave. Holy smokes. I could have made that happen. You know that.

I make dreams come true, Dave. We shared that with three of our neighbors, and they're still eating. It was so good, delicious. We go there all the time. So it was like, you know, We shared that with three of our neighbors and they're still eating. It was so good. Delicious. We go there all the time. So it was like, you know, you didn't have to give me that, but I loved it. Thank you. Well, you're going to get another one. Hey, do you smoke weed, Dave Charles? I used to, but then I forgot where I lived, you know. I said, stop.

Ended up at Hebsey's house, right? He said, no, you don't live here. I would ask Hebsey that question, but I know the answer. If you are buying cannabis or cannabis accessories, Canna Cabana will not be undersold, and there's over 140 locations across the country. So shout out to Canna Cabana. I pass the mic right back to my esteemed,

I would say co-host, but I'm the co-host. You're the man, the host of the most. Dave Charles, where do you want to go next with Hebsie, man, while we have him? Listen, while we got some time, we got a bit of time left. I want to talk about music and radio. Well, can I play your song, bring it down, and then we'll talk about that. Okay, this is another

one of Dave Charles' sports jams, or anyway, I'll kick it out. We'll talk about it. Come on. Come on. Come on. Best song ever. Come on. Woo!

Come on. Look at Dave go. Banging the head. Thunder! Thunder! Yeah! Thunder! Thunder! Thunder! Thunder! Thunder! Thunder! Thunder! Thunder! Thunder!

Thunder! Thunder! Thunder! Thunder! Thunder! Thunder! Thunder! Thunder!

Thunder! Thunder! Thunder! Thunder! Thunder! Thunder! Thunder! Thunder! Thunder! Thunder! Thunder! Thunder! Let's go In the middle of the night We're on a train

From home and away You ever see these guys live? They will put you down and never let you up. It is unbelievable. That's ACDC, Brian Johnson, lead singer. You think that's the greatest song of all time, right? No, just for rock. I mean, just for rock.

You can't help but love that song. Your heart rate's... I'm worried about you. You're 79 years old. How's that hurt? You know No, just for rock. I mean, just for rock. You can't help but love that song. Your heart rate's... I'm worried about you. You're 79 years old. How's that hurt? I know. You know, I'm very fit. I'm very fit for 79.

But doesn't that just get your blood going? I mean, come on. What do you think, Hebsey, about Thunderstruck, ACDC? Oh, I'm a big fan of ACDC. I saw them live with Bon Scott for kind of 1979. Oh, Bon Scott, now you're talking. Oh, now you're talking. Yeah, so I'm a huge fan, and

you shook me all night long. That's one of many. That's a fantastic song. What band has bagpipes? Bagpipes in their rucksack. I love it. Dirty Teeds done dirt cheap. And they wiped the Rolling Stones off stages.

That's Bond. That's Bond. Dirty Teeds done dirt cheap. And Highway to Hell, that's Bond too, right off stages. That's Bond. That's Bond. Yeah. Right. I know. Yeah, yeah. And Highway to Hell, that's Bond too, right? Yeah, yeah. Amazing.

I love that. I mean, now I'm going. Now I'm going. Well, Back in Black is the first post-Bond album, right? Yep. That's right. Yep. What an album.

Whoa. Right? What a debut for Brian Johnson. Holy Jesus. He was doing nothing. They picked him out of a list of singers. They brought him into a cafe, and they had him sit in this little waiting room for an audition.

He didn't know what that was going on. And they said, yeah, we like you a lot, you know, so come sing with the band. And it was just kind of very organic. It wasn't a big deal, you know. And he just said, oh, okay. And he was very shy and reserved about it. But, you know, when he got in the band,

then you hear that chainsaw voice. Oh, love it. And you don't... I would play that song for the team coming out onto the field. Yes! Like, you know what I mean? Like, dim the lights or whatever, and then just add that. Doo-doo! And they just come on the field and, yeah, let's go! Oh, my God. Let's go! Yeah, come on! We're going to save the CFL That's what the CFL needs

Might not be a bad idea That might be the best idea you've ever had ACDC Wait a minute Marge isn't that ACDC Forget the CFL it's ACDC That's the new league Exactly now you're talking You got to market the sizzle

It's rock and football The Halifax Thunderstruck. No, rock and football. You know, let's get the, let's rebrand it. There you go. Now you're talking. In the Venn diagram of CFL fans and ACDC fans, it's just one big circle. You know that, right?

I know. What circle is that again? Nickelback. Nickelback out west. Nickelback. You know they got their name, don't you? When you go buy McDonald's out there, you got a Nickelback from your. Oh,. You know they got their name, don't you? When they go buy McDonald's out there, do you get a Nickelback from your...

Oh, no, the guy worked at Starbucks. I remember the story. One of the guys worked in Alberta and he worked at Starbucks and they said, here's your Nickelback. And he would say that 100 times. Here's your Nickelback. I don't know, it was 195 or something.

They give you a toonie. Here's your Nickelback. The worst price point. That's why people quit working at Starbucks is because the idea was is look if you're going to bump the price up bump it up to 205 and that way we get at least a 20 cent tip you know i right i died 195 you're never no one's going to give you the nickel and then a quarter on top of that fishing for a quarter but then you get all the dust from the nickel you

know and you get poisoned to death but that was the day that was the days when you know you carry cash around oh yeah now you just tap everyone just taps i feel bad for street people who are like hey can you and i'm like i dude i got no cash on me at all i got my bank card you want my watch do you want my like i can't give you anything you make a good point like i can't throw a guy i'd throw a guy give a guy a toonie or whatever i literally have no cash on me anymore you're right that's right tap tap tap tap tap i was on a ctc yesterday twice two two delays, two separate incidents, two different delays, two separate incidents, security incidents. They don't go into detail. Sorry, no trains aren't stopping in college because of a security incident. Okay, great. Then the other one is

we're backed up at whatever because of a security incident. So I'm like, okay, what's going on? Like security incident. It could be anything, right? But now you're stopping the entire TTC. So now more and more people are on the platform waiting for this train that hasn't arrived and is delayed. And it's just a clusterfuck. And then finally, after 20 minutes of waiting on the platform, the train comes, drops you off. I'm on line two now. As soon as I'm on the platform, are we about to delay? We're going to turn on Arlington with a security incident.

If I would have known this, I could have walked. Right. I become a TTC. 40 minutes underground. I become a TTC. Because of security risk, I become a TTC mural. I crawl along the wall like Spider-Man, so no one's going to push me on the tracks.

If you look at me, you can say, I'm not going to touch that guy because I'm a reasonably big dude, and no one's going to push me around. I'm here to tell you you it's not just guys there's people of all um you know genders backgrounds uh yeah uh whatever you want to say uh choices that like it's you know like you don't want to make eye contact them and you're looking at the floor but at the same time you know you're in close contact with people who i don't think i've got his hand in his pocket he's got a knife in there she's like i don't know she's she's yeah one woman's yelling into the phone angry yelling into the phone and as she's getting on the car

she's still yelling into the phone and i'm right there she's yelling kind of at me because i'm behind the phone that she's yelling into right i kind of feel like the guy ned remember the character ned in groundhog Day selling insurance? I'd be like, go up and sell somebody. No, I'm not going to sell you insurance. I just want to live. I want to get to my next stop. Is that okay?

That's my rant about Toronto. That's why I'm moving out of the city, because one of the reasons is it gets too dangerous. Not just walking, cycling, going into the subway. You don't know. There's a lot of people that have a lot of issues, a lot of them. Step over them, walk over them them asking for money serious hassle like you know um real not just infringing on your personal rights but like like major harassment you know bordering on criminal harassment right this city will be worse off when we lose hebsey which is happening

soon because i'm telling you we need more Hebseys, not fewer. He's iconic. I said to him when I first met him, I said, you've got to be on a major sports radio station or TV. I said, it's a crime. You're the only guy out there that talks to... When did you first meet him? Oh, let's see. I think it was...

Three weeks ago? He was at the subway. He came up to me and said, you got a loony and i said no no no no we we met because i i engaged him to do a special birthday for my brother-in-law george and he did a whole nfl thing reenactment and they charged me way too much but i did it anyway and we it turned out to be the family loved it you know it was a big deal but you know i always wanted to meet him because i liked his work you to me he was one of those guys that just jumped through the radio and he wasn't talking shit. He knew what he was

talking about. Yeah, because he talks from the heart, man. This isn't some bullshit to tell the people what they want to hear. Okay, enough, guys. I'm getting nauseous. I appreciate it. You're super, super nice. I really appreciate it, but I'm going to throw up in my mouth. Let me flip it. Before we get back to the sports talk, which, by the way, people can

subscribe to Hebsey on Sports and get this every week. It's awesome. Now, Hebsey, did you have any questions? Cause I know you are a big Q and Oh seven listener. Any questions for Dave Charles here? No,

no, I worked at Q and Oh seven. I'm roadkill. He makes me roadkill. My first show. No, he doesn't. He told me these stories from 1977.

What about Club 30? You didn't know about Club 30, right? When you're in there. I didn't know about Club 30. All those guys. Okay, well, there must be a story or two you can share with the listenership. I know we did the deep dive last time. Okay, you want the story?

You want the story? Of course. Here's the story. I'm at Q107. This is in the mid-90s. I'm at Q107 and 640. I had been at Global, and I'd gotten a call from the program director at Q107, 640, named Danny Kingsbury.

And he said, look, we just acquired the rights to the Toronto Argonauts and the Toronto Maple Leafs radio. And Q107 is going to have the Maple Leafs, and our sister station, 640, is going to have the Argos. And we want you to come over. We want you to do play-by-play for both, and we want you to be the sports director and you to do play-by-play for both and we want you to be the sports director and do morning sports with Jesse and Gene on 640

and Brother Jake in the Q Morning Zoo on Q107. And here's a bunch of money. Wow. And by that time, I was getting tired of sports. I'd been there 11 years. They were spending less and less money on trips to spring training and covering big events. And you could see the writing on the wall. It just wasn't,

it wasn't as much fun and 11 years is a long time. So I took the gig and, and so now I'm working at Q107 and now, and one day upstairs in the lounge at 52, 55 young at Norton in the lounge, there's a pool table there. All the smokers are in the smoking room and i meet oh tom wilson from junk house is there to do a promotional thing hey right he's there 1995 wow and tom comes in he comes in with a lady who i know looks very familiar to me and

it's a former girlfriend of mine from back in high school. Right. Okay. And like, I'm like, oh, and, and her name's Susie. And I'm like, oh, hi, hi Susie. And in fact, this is in North York where we grew up. We went to school together. Right. And went out together a few times, whatever, but like a long time ago. And I,, he goes, hey, how are you doing, Tom? I go, hey, nice to meet you, like that. He goes, this is, I guess it was his girlfriend. This is my girlfriend, Susan.

And I go, I know. And he goes, you know. And then she says something to the effect of, yeah, we used to go out together. And now he's still shaking my hand, Tom Wilson. But now he's gripping it a little bit tighter. Yeah, he's a big guy. He's looking at me, and he was drinking in those days, too.

And he was probably drinking, you know, that morning that I had met him, too. Howling at me like, you what? Right? And I won't go too much further with the conversation, but basically it was like, this is the, you used, and then I think it might have been Brother Jakers says, you were fucking Tom Wilson's girlfriend. I'm going, wait, wait a minute. Cause now it's coming up.

Like you went out with Tom's wife or, you know, like later on that kind of a thing. Sandy Shaw, she's an MPP, Sandy Shaw. Wow. This is Sandy. Yeah. So that's, that's, That's Madeline's mom. That's Tommy Wilson. Thompson Wilson, that's their son. That's the mother, Sandy Shaw. So that's Tom's ex-wife, who I went out with years ago,

like when we were teenagers. So now, like, you know, Tom. Wow. Anyway. And he had you in a death grip, right? He's a big dude. That's a big dude, Tom Wilson. Yeah, he's a big guy. But also, too, he was like, I don't want to say he was a mean guy,

but he had that. You know, he wasn't clean and sober yet. Yeah. And also, think of the songs. Going right out of my head. He would jump up on. I've seen him do gigs where he would jump up on tables, kick over beer bottles, stomping away with his cowboy boots uh steel tongue oh yeah but he's

great though he's guys are rough man yeah no doubt but they did have that like beautiful songs like shine they had some of those like fabulous stuff beautiful i'm talking rough and before that the band he had before that i'm trying to think what they were called oh dave may help you with hamilton boy he's a hamilton boy right yeah yeah but it's a band he's before junk i have no idea i can't think i can't think of it anyway so that was my sort of you know q107 like oh everybody comes to q107 all the rock stars come to q107 you know all those stories about you know how every dj's got a story about how you know that the rock star would come into q107 and do this or do that or elton John once did two hours at

CKLW in the afternoons. I'm listening, all right, and I hear and Elton John, John, it was, hey, and he's the distraught. He's on with, you know, Chuck McCoy or whoever the guy was, Brother Bill Gable, whatever. And he's got, and it's Elton John. He's introing and extroing the records.

He's doing the weather. He's doing the Motor City murder meter. 2020 news with Elton John. Well, it was Rosalie Tremblay who picked Benny and the Jets. She said, no, she flipped the song on him and said, this is the song you should be playing. And Benny and the Jets is a legendary song for him. And that happened at CKLW.

CKLW. LW. Hey, the name of the band, Hebsey, you were struggling to come up with is the Florida Razors. Florida Razors. Fabulous. I was thinking Georgia Satellites. Florida Razors. Yeah, Florida Razors. Yeah, they were good. Makes sense. From Hamilton, here's the Florida Razors.

From the Hammer, baby. From the Hammer. Same place as Teenage Head. Come on. Okay. Daniel Lanlois. I mean, you got some... Hammer's got some good talent there. Steve Paikin. I'm talking musical talent. No, I know. I just know he got some, Hammer's got some good talent there. I'm talking musical talent. No, I know. I just know he's listening.

It's got Hutch's fish and chips as well. It's got Hutch's. Damien Cox, we keep going here. All right, so let me ask you a quick question here, Dave Charles, before you get back to sports. And I'd be happier to talk music than sports, but it's up to you. It's your show. It's your show.

I'm going in half an hour. Yeah, yeah, we got a hard out. Yeah, hard out. But did you listen,'s your show. It's your show. I'm going in half an hour. Yeah. Yeah. We got a hard out. Yeah. Hard out. But did you listen, Dave? Cause when I was putting this together, I was thinking, oh, Dave Charles is going to listen. And I was like, uh, oh, I hope I get this right or whatever.

Did you listen to episode one? What was it? Uh, one Oh seven one. Okay. So that's one thousand. Did you listen to episode 1,071 of Toronto Mike, which was many hours about Q107. Yeah, I did. And I thought, you know, a lot of history there.

I just thought it was a bit too long in one chunk. And I gave you feedback that I thought it should be. It was so good. I thought it should have broke up into three different episodes. But that seems like you're doing a disservice to the listener.

Like that's three different intros, three different dad breaks. You're talking about the attention span. You don't have a pause button in that device. Mike, it's easier, Mike. It's easier though. Don't you think if you're listening to a full podcast, is it not easier to click over to the next version,

like episode two, as opposed to stopping it, pausing it, trying to remember where it is, and then using that same player to listen to another. If I go to something else and I can't go back to that, and it's still there. It's just easier to say. Okay, so regardless of the time, which, yeah, it's a very long episode because I put my personal thoughts on that.

But I, of course, I value your input and your insight. But what about the content? Let's get past that. Excellent. Really good. Solid. The content was great. You know, you covered everything.

You know, I didn't miss anything. And I think for the person listening and not being aware of the culture and the events around Q, it was an iconic station. Remember the Q got its license because rock one or two in Buffalo was stealing rock listeners and listeners out of Toronto and rock one or two in Buffalo was selling radio time out of the Toronto area. CRTC said, no, we're going to stop that. And the reason we got the license, we said we're going to play at least 40% CanCon,

Good Rock. There was a lot of Good Rock that wasn't being played. And that was the reason we got the license. And it just took off from there. In 1977 is when we get a Q107, right? Yeah. Hebsey, were you listening from the beginning? I know you were kind of a chum FM guy,

but did you give it a go in 77? Oh, of course. Absolutely. So as a music... Go ahead. At that time, I was listening to wbuf in buffalo which was a progressive rock station and i mean a really progressive rock station this is the type of station that we'd be playing birdland right this is the type of station that

we'd be playing vulcan world by return to forever and backing that up with the latest from warren zeevon yeah you're so really progressive so q107 was more rock yep than progressive chum fm was progressive right but q107 was rock was rock and that's what turned me on to q107 i knew every song was a rocking song not that doesn't mean they wouldn't play angie by the rolling stones right no but for the most part man we'll rock it boston sticks okay emerson lake and palmer you know all that stuff not so much king crimson that would have been more police super tramp elvis costello super of course all that stuff from the late set blondie like all that great stuff rocking stuff yep and around the same time remember mtv hit the beach in 1980

and that was kind of a paradigm shift hit the beach in 1980 and that was kind of a paradigm shift for the whole music business because then we had videos and max had room and all that shit but all the new rock groups came out of there and that kind of the music wasn't quite rock and we we did play some of them but not all of them but that was a big shift for us but the other thing too was the personalities which people listen to radio for the personalities you got friendly with the same people, the six o'clock rock report. You know,

they made sure that every night and you wanted your rock news, you wanted to know who was playing concerts and stuff like that. Interview clips, six o'clock rock report. So the news aspect of it was it for, because Chum FM was doing barometer. Chum FM had a pretty good news and current affairs that they shared, of course,

with Chum AM. So they had a newsroom. Q107 didn't have the same. It's established their own. Yep. You know, and that was like Bob, Bob Magowitz really put that.

Yeah. Macco. Yeah. Yep. And John Donnelly. And, uh, you know,

it was a collective effort, but it really, really cut through that station was syndicated right across Canada, that show. And, uh, six o'clock rock report became iconic. Rock Report became iconic for all those reasons. Dave, are you still friendly with Bob Macko Sr.?

I have not seen Bob Macko for a while. He kind of disappeared off the scene. I know he was trying to get, he had a radio station interest in Vancouver with David Bray, and then Shore, I think Shore FM, and then he just kind of disappeared. Okay, maybe I need to hit up his son. I'm friendly with his son, but I do want Bob Macko senior on Toronto Mike. Like this is one of the, uh, he would be, I'm targeting.

He would be a great show. He's got all the stories. I had Alan Cross in here a couple of days ago. And, uh, Alan, of course has been hosting the ongoing history of new music with a couple of pauses, which we, you know, which we talked about in the episode where he wasn't working for chorus or for that station, but he, uh, the rumor I had heard,

and Alan says he had never heard it. He heard it from me for the first time, but I had heard that the ongoing history of new music was going to be a Bob Macko, uh, senior, uh, production with McLean Hunter.

Cause he was working for McLean Hunter at the time. And that, um, it, Stu Myers, who was a program director at CFNY, kind of scooped it up and assigned it to Alan Cross to make it a CFNY property. But anyway, I want to talk to Bob Macko and get his take on all this great Toronto radio history.

Stuart Myers was the program director of Q107 as well. Yep. Good 640. His daughter is actually on the air. When they went to Mojo. When they went to Mojo. Yes, absolutely. And his daughter's on the air in Vancouver now.

She was on the air in Toronto, CFNY, and then she got a gig in Van City. And she's out there now. Carly Myers. Did you ever work with Mark Daly at all in his career? I didn't, but I knew Mark pretty well. Gene Volaitis knew Mark really well. They lived very close to each other and

used to walk their dogs together down by the beaches there. I'd met Mark on a couple of... Mark was great, but Mark was a big sports fan. Huge. He was a huge sports fan. American. Huge. We used to talk baseball, football. Oh, yeah.

Big sports fan. He broke the Elvis story, you know, when Elvis passed? Yeah, August 16th, 77. Yeah. But Mark was, I think, I'm not sure, but I believe Mark did do some sports on Chum back in the day. You know, he might have been a fill-in sportscaster or whatever, but, you know, I think Larry Wilson.

Oh, no, Brian Williams. Brian Williams was there when I was there. Brian, yeah. And Brian was doing weekend sports, and Mark and Brian and I used to go for coffee up at Friends all the time, you know. Yeah. That was a lot of fun.

Yeah. Oh, man, those stories must have been great, like that crew. Amazing. Yeah, it was just, you know, but it was everything. You know, we talked about everything. We talked about all the bullshit politics inside the radio station and outside. Right.

You know, interesting is that Mark, Mark Daly's widow has just gifted Ed Conroy from Retro Ontario. Like the old, I guess Mark had kept all these VHS cassettes of like almost everything he had done basically in boxes in the basement. And Ed Conroy now has all this video that he's going to go through, and we're going to have some pretty interesting Mark Daly clips soon. Yeah, but don't forget he also had a lot of airtime at City TV as well.

He did a lot of stuff there. That's where most of this is from. Oh, really? Okay. Yeah, yeah. All right. Absolutely. Love the name talk here.

Now, I'm going to kick out another jam from Dave Charles, because like I said, we have a hard out here, because Mark's got a busy day. But I want to kick out another jam from Dave Charles. Cause like I said, we have a, we have a hard out here cause Mark's got a busy day, but I want to kick out this next jam. And then I actually just love hearing you guys talk about, you know, if it's Q radio music, I'm just going to listen in.

This has been amazing, but let's hear your third jam here. We're only doing three, by the way, people are used to 10, but this will be the third jam. Here we go. There's too many of you to cry

Brother, brother, brother, there's far too many of you dying You know we've got time, baby To make our loving here today Father, we don't need to escalate You see, war is not the answer For only love can conquer hate You know we've got to find a way To bring some love and peace into day

Picket lines and picket signs Don't punish me with brutality Talk to me, me, so you can see Don't punish me with brutality. Talk to me so you can see. What's going on? What's going on? What's going on? What's going on?

What's going on, Dave? You know, Nevin Grant, a guy I used to work with at CKOC in Hamilton, said a good song should make you feel something. And that song, every time I hear Marvin Gaye in that song, I just, it just says everything, you know? That song is so relevant right now. It's never going to get old. It's never going to die. Because people can't get their shit together, you know?

And that song just says it all so passionate marvin gaye the best uh did you ever go to did you ever go to uh bowtown in uh in detroit go to the uh i did yeah oh what a great tour what a great oh yeah it's great also it's just so it's like you know it's just an unassuming building on a street two houses joined together and you go down to the go down to the snake pit, Studio B and you hear all the songs that went through that console, you know. But it's just so iconic and

a very gory story alone, but you know, Marvin Gaye was just one of those iconic singers that said it right and did it right. I love it. I just love it. Yeah, fabulous. Whoa, gives me the chills. You look at all the shit going down right now, You play that song. That's what it is. The shit that's going on right now. You ever lose hope, Dave?

No, never do. Never do. You know, I think it's good versus evil. I think eventually we'll get it right. But, you know, every night I turn on the 6 o'clock news, I'm kind of a little bit more discouraged. But, you know, someone's got to put a bullet in Putin's head, number one. I think pieces of shit like that. Someone's got to break Ovechkin's ankle before they do that. Oh, Dave, let me ask Dave about this. On Hebsey on Sports, we talked, and I agreed with Hebsey on this.

We don't want a head injury to Ovechkin. We don't want anything serious that could, you know, shorten his life. But we both would love to see his ankle broken, his leg broken, Zsuzsanna Zsuzsanna He's a good hockey player. His politics, I don't agree with, but his athleticism and what he does on the ice. We don't have to celebrate the man. He's the next Gordie Howe here. The man did... What about Bobby Hull, Dave? Bobby Hull grew up in Belleville, Ontario.

I got to meet the guy. I was there on air at CJBQ when he scored his 50th goal for the Chicago Blackhawks. Bobby Hull, off the ice, was a mean son of a bitch. You know, he had a lot of domestics, a lot of problems. And the Gordy or the Bobby Hall you saw on the ice and in public wasn't the real guy. You know, I used to see him at the Belleville Fair wrestling his tears. He was a very fit guy, but he was two Bobby Orr's.

Two Bobby Hall's. He just had a mean side to him that nobody saw. So how do we celebrate this man? What would be appropriate for the NHL? We had this conversation at Hebbion Sports this morning. What's appropriate for the NHL to recognize the death

of one of their greatest on-ice players? I think you can let the stats speak for themselves. I mean, in his era, he was the Golden Jet, and he got the 50th goal, and he played for three NHL teams, correct? Chicago, Winnipeg Jets, and Hartford? Well, Winnipeg Jets weren't an NHL team when he played for them, though.

Right? He played for the Hartford Whalers. Whalers, yeah. I don't think he played for Winnipeg Jets weren't an NHL team when he played for them, though. Oh. Right? He played for the Hartford Whalers. Whalers, yeah. I don't think he played for Winnipeg when they were an NHL team. By then, he had moved on to Hartford. So he played for the Blackhawks and he played for the Hartford Whalers and Winnipeg in the WHA. But listen, this is the thing is that, you know, he was a son of a bitch,

but, you know, was he enough of a son of a bitch that you shouldn't recognize what he did? The NHL shouldn't recognize him. And this is where the word honor and recognize, to recognize the fact that he passed and he was a great player and, you know, mourn his passing or mention it and then move on. I think you've got to acknowledge what he did in his era in the 60s. I think he did a lot of things for hockey.

He was a big deal, you know, and that slap shot was unreal. I know that, Dave, but what I'm saying to you is that when it all comes down to it, how should the NHL portray Bobby Hull, his passing? How should they recognize his passing? Should it be a montage of his goals and all that and his smile and his missing teeth and then fade to black? I think the years he lived and then the year he passed. Or just sort of a we'd like to honor Bobby Hall with a moment of silence or what? I think he should be honored in Chicago where he made the most.

He will be. I think a banner, obviously, in his name and his stats. Well, maybe not. Maybe not. They took Robbie Alomar off the level of excellence. They ripped his, you know, and they barely mentioned him. I did notice.

Wait, wait, wait. We're talking about two different things. Roberto Alomar is still alive and this is a whole other thing. We're talking about one of the legends of hockey already had his number retired, the whole deal. But again, you know, are you concerned that people are going to go, oh, my God, you want to grow the game of hockey. And here you are recognizing a guy that beat his wife and was, you know, said, you know, anti-Semitic things and racist things. anti-Semitic things and racist things. Well, I, you know, man, I'm not saying there's an easy answer to this.

I'm not saying there's an easy answer, you know, especially when his, even his family didn't have nice things to say about him. He was estranged from his family. But again, you know, do we,

you know, if, if you're the national hockey league, let me put this with you. Did Bobby Hall sell enough tickets? Did Bobby Hall raise the, profile of the National Hockey League to the point where the National Hockey League should thank Bobby Hull? No, no. But I think that you have to honor what he achieved as a player and for the city of Chicago and the Blackhawks. Well, that's been done, but that was done when his career was over.

Then leave it at that. I would leave it at that to answer your question. No, no, but now he's dead. A human being. Not a hockey player retiring. Still going on. A human being's dead. We've already mentioned his numbers. That's been done. But now he's passed away.

A human being. So do we say, well, he was this and he was that and he was a son of a bitch? Or do we go, all right, well, you know, he had a checkered life. Here's what he did that was good. Here's what he did that was horrible. Here's what he did that was horrible. And now he's dead. Figure it out for yourself. But does the NHL bear some responsibility

in letting people know that this great man has passed away? Great hockey player. Yeah. I think they do. I think they do. But I think there's a lot of moral issues attached to Bobby Hull. But I think let the stats speak for themselves. Let the different teams, the different franchises.

Obviously, there's a lot of Bobby Hull fans in Winnipeg and Hartford. There's lots of Bobby Hull fans everywhere. I don't even think just the teams he played for. I just think there were. I just think he was that type of a dynamic personality. And then the more people knew about his private life did that, you know, oh geez,

I was a fan, but man, when I heard about that, not anymore, but you can't go back. If you were a fan when he played and now he's not playing anymore, you can't go back. You can't all of a sudden say all those moments that I love Bobby Hall.

I want to wipe those from my memory. No more. Cause I know about his personal life I think you leave it there I think just what you suggested you know you park it I don't think you need to do any more than what we've already done for Bobby Hall I really don't that's my feeling anyway no love

your opinion on that now I want to ask Dave about something that happened to a station he helped give birth to so Dave you helped birth Q107. Jane Hodden asked if she could come on, and I was very happy to have Jane Hodden on. She was a great guest. And she wanted to talk about Q107

because she felt with the John Derringer situation that people had started looking at Q107 as a misogynist station because of the way john was treating his co-hosts meanwhile she felt it was very uh like like progressive when it came to women talent at the station she kind of wanted to defend the legacy of q107 as a man who helped give birth to q107 what was it like for you when the derringer story broke and you learned about what Maureen Holloway and Jackie Delaney and Jennifer Valentine? I was very sad. I was very sad, obviously. I know John is a friend of mine and I knew all this shit was going down and I was really, I couldn't say anything. I was not in a position to do anything about it, you know, and I think there was a lot of whispers going on in the hall and it was really sad to see what happened. And, you know, it ended up in a very bad place and I think that John has lost his way, you know. He's certainly not going to get a look in on radio

in this country anytime soon and I think that that era of his life is over, which is a shame. He's a very big talent and it's just not going to happen for him anymore. Now, coming back to the issue of, you know, allowing, you know, women to have their roles in radio, I think it's really important, and I think that we did our best.

Jane was one of those stars that we had on the air at Q107, and I think there was a lot of program directors who did not see that as viable. They did not get on the bandwagon when they should have. We have lost a whole generation of women talent out there that I know of, you know, people that just never got to see a co-host chair, never had that opportunity to host a show on their own, you know, and not in prime time anyway.

So I think that that era is lost, but it's back, it's back now though. What do you think about the new Q107 morning show being the two John Derringer sidekicks returning, Ryan Parker and John Garbutt and having a woman in the place of where John once sat, Shawna Whalen? It's

too early. I think you've got to let the show find its way before you make any judgment on the show. I know the other guys as well. I don't think the show has reached any kind of mojo at this moment. I think it's going to take a bit of time for the show to find its way. Oh, good word.

No pun intended. Mojo. But it's just, you know, right now it's still very young. And I think that the show's going to take a bit of time. John, you know what? If I can interrupt here. Of course, please. Mike and I have had a lot of discussions about, you know,

pairings and chemistry on air, whether it's radio or TV or sports or whatever it is. And I found lately, I'm surprised and shocked at the people that have been thrown together on major market radio, like on sports radio, for example, that sounded like they'd never met each other. When you, if you were going to put a, if you thought that a pair or a threesome was going to work together on the air, would you go through some type of audition off air or have them go away for a weekend to get to know each other

before you actually put them on the air in a major market and hoped it was going to work? Yep, absolutely. I think throwing them together like that in prime time is not right. I agree. I think they've got to grow the chemistry maybe in another radio station and develop that chemistry before you bring them into a major market.

Because right now, you're going to set somebody like that up to fail, which I do not like to do. And I know a lot of radio stations don't realize what that means. You put them in there to fill a slot, and we're going to get a lady to host the show because of what's happened through Derringer. That's the wrong attitude and the wrong approach i think the show needed some rehearsal time uh to your point and i think they needed to start somewhere else and develop that that chemistry and unfortunately they've just been thrown in the deep end and uh

good luck to them this is a tough tough thing to tough tough end to get out of though when you've had no chemistry and you're working with two people who had worked with someone else and sort of probably had their own chemistry. Like those two guys, you know, Johnny and that kid partner have had chemistry. Yep. Right. They already had chemistry.

Sean had to come in. So yeah, I kind of found, we did the same thing. What was it, Mike, with the fan morning show? It was,

it was Alicia and JD Bunkus and someone else. And then it was, but that morning show, man, they've changed so many times and put people together that had no business being together, that had never met each other. That was a real clusterfuck, I think, ever since, I guess, Brady and Walker. Hey, Mike? Well, remember, Brady and Walker only came to be

because Brady didn't have the right chemistry with Jim Lang. Right. So it was Brady and Lang first, and then basically, because Greg told me this story on Toronto Mike, so I'm not telling stories out of school here, but Brady pretty much went to management and said, like, something's got to give. It's him or me.

This isn't working. And they basically let Jim Lang go and brought in Andrew Walker. Here's the thing. With Q107, they have, I forget her name, she's from Calgary, but she came in to be the program manager for the three brands in Toronto. And, you know, she's not bad at developing talent, but she also rehearsed the Edge morning show off air before they put them in. And she should have done the same with Q,

but she's not doing that for some reason. I don't know why. And they had time. I think I know though. Tammy Cole is the name. Tammy Cole is correct. Brand director. Okay.

I think that because there's a hiring freeze at Chorus, they're essentially trying to solve all these problems. They had a guy named Jay Brody. I mentioned Carly Myers earlier. She went out West. Well, Jay Brody followed her. Okay. Jay Brody was on the morning show at CFNY.

And that was with shay shayna so i'm with shauna whalen and a guy named chris zed although he called himself chris z which always drove me nuts but okay so you have that cf and y show which started at y 108 and came to cf and y but when jay brody leaves they have a problem and of course a big problem named john derringer on q107. So they have to kind of fix these things without bringing any new hires on board. They have a hiring freeze. So they literally take the Hamilton morning show, which was Mora and Tucker, Tucker and Mora, and they put that at CFNY.

They take Chris Z, they put him in Barry, but they take Shauna, move her to Q107 with the two guys who were there with Derringer. And they just simulcast a show into that Hamilton station. Like that's just a show that was airing in a bunch of other markets.

So that costs nothing to just put them in a new market. And all this stuff kind of happens and solves a couple of problems. And they spent $0 on talent. Yep. And I think when I go speak at Seneca and other colleges that have radio courses, a lot of people are not interested in radio. They're interested in new media. They just say, hey, you know.

It's like the CFL. Exactly. And I said, what are you doing here? Well, you know, we think we're going to get jobs somewhere else. But no, the interest in radio is not what it used to be. People are interested in creating their own programming. They can do it now on their phone. And they're saying, well, you know, why radio?

Why? And there's not a lot of jobs. There's not a lot of good people training the next generation of radio personalities. Let me use that word again, personalities. They're just filling in a void. And where are you going to find the next generation of Hebsey? Well, they can't afford Hebsey. I talk to these people off the record and on the record.

And when I talk off the record and I find out what they're paying for some of these spots, which are some of these are morning radio spots in Toronto, and you find out what they're making, you realize, oh, good thing I never had an interest in working in radio because I couldn't raise my family in this city with that kind of a salary. No, terrible. So they can't afford Hebsey, right, Hebsey? They couldn't afford a Hebsey right now. What does that say about our industry? Here we have radio. Radio is still, you know, 92% they say of all Canadians are listening to radio at least, you know, once a week. Okay.

And in Australia, a little bit higher as a Commonwealth country. But right now, I can say people are more interested in curating their own programming, listening to podcasts, and doing other things. Wait, you said 92% of Canadians are listening to radio once a week? Yep. Bullshit. Hebsey, do you believe that number for a second here? Yes, I do. Once a week, yeah, I do.

92% of Canadians. Mike, Mike, Mike. Once a week. Once a week. A week. Not a day. I think there's more than 8%. Mike, think about this.

Mike, think about this for a second. You get into someone's car for five minutes. The radio's on. You were listening to radio, right? You had 680 News on to hear the truck. You listened. Once a week. I...

Not once a day. It doesn't pass my sniff test, because I think... Once a week. I hear you, but I think more than 8% of Canadians... So you're in the minority. So you're the 8%

that doesn't listen to radio once a week. No, I do. I am in the 92, but I don't think 92% of Canadians have access to a radio. What would make you think that this stat is wrong? Like, what are you, an anti-non-radio guy?

No, I listen to CBC Radio 1. But that's you. Why would you dispute this number? Why? It doesn't pass my sniff test, Hepsy. I mean, we're talking about stats. What sniff test is that, Mike? What is that sniff test, though?

Like, you immediately jump out to... All right, FOTMs are listening. That's like saying, oh no, Wayne Gretzky didn't score that many goals. No, very different than that. It's the same thing. You don't believe it. Why? You have to have a reason why you don't believe it. Your personal experience makes you

not believe it? I don't believe 92% of Canadians are listening to any form of terrestrial radio once a week. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Ding, ding, ding. Hey, I got to warn before you guys kill me here. I got to warn Dave.

We only had eight minutes more of Hebsey. So you got to drain your swamp there, buddy. Leafs, Raptors, you got eight minutes. No, I was going to talk about pickleball. Go, yeah. What about pickleball? I mean, do you play pickleball? I'm getting to the age now where my knees can't take squash.

They can't take tennis. Yeah, I've been playing for years, yeah. You like pickleball? Yeah. Should it be a professional league sort of thing? What do you mean? Hebsey's a commissioner. The commissioner of pickleball.

You've got time to watch other people play pickleball? I don't have time to watch other people play. There's so many sports on TV. No one wants to watch pickle play pickleball? I don't have time to watch other people play. There's so many sports on TV. Dave, no one wants to watch pickleball, right? I don't know. You don't know that, though. A lot of celebrities are getting into this. Wait, wait.

92% of Canadians, bullshit. Nobody wants to watch pickleball. All of a sudden, you became an authority on people's beauty. 92% of Canadians wanted pickleball league. 92% of Canadians wanted pickleball league. I just like the name. I just think if I hear pickle, I'm going to get a burger to go with it, right?

But Dave, do you play pickleball? You said you did? No, no, I'm looking at pickleball right now because I'm, you know, my knees are... Well, you better hurry because it's very tough to get court time. I know. I live in Oakville, so I can get pickleball court, but you know, Babington I kind of like, but pickleball has got, yeah, that kind of impression.

All right, you've got five minutes. I see your list here. You've got five minutes, Charles. Hey, didn't somebody start a podcast like that? You've got five minutes? Look, I think we've run our shot here, man. I'm going all over the road. I've become roadkill thanks to you guys.

Who's producing this show? This is all over the shop. Well, Dave, what are you up to these days? Well, I'm up to nothing. I'm just doing here. I'm hanging out because it's cold outside. Is that why you're here? You're bored? What's going on here, Dave? You're still a big wig in the radio world, right?

I'm just getting my parma pasta together. Good eats for the weekend, right? I'm not going to starve. All I know is I've got to take on the TTC again today, so I'm not looking forward to that. I wanted to go face-to-face with Emsi, and I couldn't do that. I appreciate the fact that we're all

cloistered in our own little nests. Do you wish he was here? Yeah, I can see him, and I can point at him. We'll get together again. We'll see some baseball this year at the new Rogers Center. I don't want to lay more... Yeah, absolutely. I don't want to lay a grease on this guy, but he's just one of my favorite.

And we know why, because we've been listening to him for the last hour and a half. He's just, he's out there, you know. Longer than that. I did an hour with Hebsey before we started this show. I know, you weren't there. Yeah, Mike had already knocked off an hour. I'm at two and a half hours of Hebsey. I felt like roadkill coming in here.

I'm not going to cut this. I feel like I ran 15 with George Cavallo today. You know, I got knocked out in the second round. You know, with all the stats coming out. This is really complicated. I don't know if I can cut this, you know. But the fact of the matter is I got to do, I got another thing in my wish list I can tick off and say.

I got a show with Hep C, even though I was kind of yin-yin-yin-yin. You know, it was all over the shop. I loved it. I really loved it. Thank you very much, Hep C. Hey, that was great, man. Thanks. I'm glad that your wish came true that way. I can't say that I wanted to do a radio show with Dave Charles. I would have liked to have had a call from Dave Charles years ago saying,

man, that talent of yours, come on, we got a million-dollar contract for you. Induce the guilt. Induce the guilt. You were never in that position to hire me, though. That's okay. The hurt. I'm hurt. So, Hepsi, thank you so much for doing this. It's too cold for you to come all the way over here, so I'm glad you did it on Zoom, actually, because it's like minus 30 with the wind chill out there.

But, again... You know what? We'll do a backyard version of it. It'll be beautiful this August or something. It'll be fabulous. Dave will be there just to watch the show. Bring the pickles. Bring the pickles.

And, Dave, next time Toronto Mike has, you know, TMLX number 53 or whatever it is, you've got to show up. We'll have a cold one together. I will. I was away last time. Oh, man, I would love it. So thank you, Hebsey, for joining us.

And Dave, honestly, any chance I have to make your dreams come true, I'm going to do it because you're a good FOTM, and I appreciate this, man. Pleasure always. Go for it. And that brings us to the end of our 1,198th show. You can follow me on Twitter. I'm at Toronto Mike. Hebsey again, host of Hebsey on Sports.

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