Toronto Mike'd: The Official Toronto Mike Podcast - Dean McDermott and Mary Jo Eustace: Toronto Mike'd #1145

Episode Date: November 7, 2022

In this 1145th episode of Toronto Mike'd, Mike chats with Dean McDermott and Mary Jo Eustace about how they fell in love, why Dean left the marriage and married Tori Spelling, the tabloid circus that followed and how they learned to be friends again. Toronto Mike'd is proudly brought to you by Great Lakes Brewery, Palma Pasta, Yes, We Are Open, The Advantaged Investor, Canna Cabana, StickerYou, Ridley Funeral Home and Electronic Products Recycling Association.

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at properlyhomes.ca Joining me today making their Toronto Mike debuts are Dean McDermott and Mary Jo Eustace. Woo! Hello, hello!

This is so exciting. So exciting. Tell us more about the funeral home since 1937. I'm dying to hear about it. I want to know about Sammy. I've got lots of questions for Sammy. You know, you know this, you might know a band called The Watchmen. Do you know Dean?

Yeah, yeah. Sammy's the drummer. No way. Yeah, no joke. And his side hustle is real estate. That's awesome. Not the funeral home, but real estate. By the way.

Hey, maybe he does too. I mean. Yeah, who knows? Who knows? Good to have more than one side hustle. The funeral home, this is a hyper local thing, but they've been like amazing sponsors of this program for years. So shout out to Ridley Funeral Home.

But shout out to Dean and Mary Jo. Go ahead, Dean. No, you're not. I was giving a shout out to Ridley Funeral Home. But shout out to Dean and Mary Jo. Go ahead, Dean. Now, you're not, I was giving a shout out to Ridley Funeral Home with you, but like, this isn't some weird kind of scam you got going.

Like you have guests on and they mysteriously die. And then Sammy does their real estate. Yeah. He kind of fucked up like that. Sammy plays the music at the wake. First you get, I was going to say,

first you get yourself a fresh craft beer from Great Lakes and get high as high AF at Canna Cabana. I'm into it now. I'm into vaping and my cannabis. I'm totally into it. And I'm into Great Lakes beer. It's really good stuff. Really good stuff.

Good Dean. Good. Dean, when you were here, okay, so you were in my basement. I was. That sounds dirty, but it's not.

It sounds really dirty. We were fully clothed. There were two other women there. That sounds dirty too. It does a little bit. Did you get any Great Lakes when you were here? I can't remember if I gave you Great Lakes. Great Lays or Great Lakes?

You gave me one Great Lake. Okay. Okay. See, that's because it wasn't my show. If you were doing my show, I'd give you an eight pack of Great Lakes beer. Right, right. It wasn't your show. It was Helen's show.

It was the Feminine Warrior. The Feminine Warrior. So you get one beer when you do someone else's show, but you get an eight pack when you do Toronto Mike. Right, right. Wow. It's worth it to fly there. It's worth it to go there.

Right, right. Frankly. Yeah, totally. Guys, amazing. It's awesome beer. It's delicious. It's delicious. Oh, here's a tie in for you.

Okay. Even. Okay. Maybe even better than the Sammy Cone drumming for the Watchmen. Okay. Do you know who worked at Great Lakes Brewery for a short period of time because he was high school buds with Mike Lackey and Peter Bullitt who were like, do you know who I'm talking about?

There's a guy. Do you know? Yeah, I do. I do. The one and only, the hockey historian who is now an awesome broadcaster, my ex-defense partner on sergeant rock the one and only jeff merrick love that guy correct i've fallen asleep already during this fucking podcast i love jeff and you've never met jeff merry joe because yeah i have i dated him yeah i dated him

you didn't date jeff merrick yeah before he owned the funeral home I dated him. You didn't date Jeff Merrick. Yeah, before he owned the funeral home, I dated him. That's Sammy. Oh, Sammy. Get it together. I dated both of them. Were you jet lagged from flying around the world with your new boyfriend? Maybe. Maybe.

Maybe a little bit. How was Tulum? Sorry, Mike, I'm hijacking your show. Go ahead. Go ahead. It was fabulous. It was great. I overcame a big hurdle.

The mouth guard? No, I didn't bring the mouth guard. No, my night guard. I overcame a huge hurdle. Well, which one? I shared a bathroom with a man. What? Did you poop with the door open? No, I left. Did it go that? Every time. No, but it was a big open, it was a beautiful resort,

big open air bathroom and stuff, but the door had slats. So I, no, but I, I like got ready to go to dinner with like a man beside me. That's been a long time. Yeah. That's, that's, that was as exciting as Jeff Merritt. Let's go back to Jeff Merritt. A long time coming. Anyway, Mike, it's your show. That's amazing. Can you take the reins, please? I'm taking over here.

So, MJ, be patient. I know you're bored stiff here in this hockey tech, but I'm going to do a little bit of hockey talk because I'm curious about some of the guys Dean played with that I know. And then I have so many MJ questions, and the world has questions for both of you and you have a new podcast we're going to talk about, but Dean. Okay.

So do you want to sign off and I'll text you to come back on Mary Jo? I want to blow my nose. So should I mute my mute? Yeah. Mute. That's classy of you to do that. Okay. So Jeff Merrick, who's an FOTM.

FOTM means friend of Toronto Mike. That's Jeff Merrick. He's a great friend of the program. He did tell me. Is he short? Is he short? Not really. He's like, Jeff, he's like six foot.

Hell of a defenseman. We were a great team. But, you know, just last week in this basement on a Wednesday night was Tony Napo. Love Tony. Another one of my favorite human beings. And I listened to that episode, by the way. Awesome. And it was awesome.

I gave Tony a shout out and he remembered, he got two stories confused. Okay. He did walk into the dressing room for, my dad had passed away and I did a skate slash wake and I called it a squake and so we all got together and we drank some beers and we played pickup hockey when we were shooting my show tori and dean home street hollywood uh we did a hockey segment on it and tony well for starters let

me give you a little history in tony and i would be doing the same. Tony, and he's going to love this, Tony has got a huge hammer, like hung like a baby's arm. And if I had Tony's dick, I'd throw mine away. Wow. I wouldn't wear pants. So that's why you can confidently walk into a dressing room with your dick out. So not only did he do that at the squake, but when we were filming the hockey segment for my reality show.

Sensor, Mary Jo, censor, censor. Don't say anything here. Censor, go on. He walked in completely naked and then started doing the windmill. And it just brought everybody to tears. But that's Napo. He's got such a good heart. It was great know he loves his daughter and he's just such a good guy you know nappos currently starring in bandits uh directed by stew stone i know you do stone stew stone and i i know stew from his rap days when he went by Stu the Jew. Now, does Stu have a big cock or just Tony?

I never saw Stu's. Oh, okay. Stu did date a porn star. Because the listeners want to know. Oh, I did. I did see Stu's dick. And? Stu, she was very jealous and possessive of Stu.

Who? The porn star? Kendra Jade? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Keep going. We need this info, and then we'll get to you.

So when he'd go out of town, she would get very jealous, but she'd miss him. So he made one of those casts of his appendage. Appendage. Okay, yeah. Like Jimi Hendrix had and all that stuff. Stu's a little guy, and yeah, Stu, he's good. Aw, okay, good. It's nothing, you know, I wouldn't, you know.

Write home about it? No, I was going to say I wouldn't throw him out of bed for eating crackers, but, you know, it's good. Okay, good. Yay, Stu. Yay, yay, yay. Yay, Stu and the HM. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I'm so happy for both of them. And thank you for not saying anything about, you know, me. You? Yeah, being hung like a light switch. Thanks, Mary Jo. I have questions. You are the biggest man I've ever had. God is a cosmic joker.

I know. Where to begin? Go on, Mike. We, us three, have been on several zooms over the last few months correct correct yes correct so there's two things i've noticed from the many zooms we had and it even is true today on this zoom for toronto mic is that we don't listen to anybody no mary jo comes on very early like if i say like for example today it was 4 p.m. Toronto time and at 3.30 Mary Jo is on the Zoom. Yeah. She doesn't have a life. I have such a life, Dean. I don't have 97 kids, but I have

such a life. So you just answered my question. I'm pathologically early. So this is just in your DNA. You were always on time. You were always on time. I'm always a bit early. I don'tologically early. So this is just in your DNA. You were always on time. You were always on time. Yeah, I'm always a bit early. I don't know why. But that's a good thing. I always believe that if you're not early, you're late. But all that went out the window when I had 27 kids. Yeah, I'd say.

I'm going to get to the kids thing in a minute here. But just to finish, the other thing I've noticed every time we Zoom is that I always have that moment of like, who's joining my Zoom? Because there's always like a split second when Tori Spelling joins the Zoom. And there's that moment of like, oh yeah, every time Dean joins a Zoom we're on, it comes in as Tori Spelling.

Yeah, Dean, explain that. Is that just like you're using her laptop or what? She's eavesdropping and editing everything in in in our show the mary jo and i show that she didn't know no what happens is we were sharing a computer for the longest time so she does times are tough and she well no it's so funny she has this comfort thing like she's just like i just i just like because i know it's your computer and mine is you know my computer is pretty well organized and she's just like yeah i just i just like because i know it's your computer and mine is you know my computer's pretty well organized and she's just like yeah i just like i know it's it's comfortable and then i know it's you i was like okay i get that but now i've started a new uh

podcast with mary jo and uh i was like i need it exclusively for me so i set her up uh her own computer but yeah it keeps coming up my name name comes up as Tori Spelling. We're going to fix that shit. We should because, yeah, it's kind of funny. It's like, that's not Tori Spelling. She has way more hair. We're going to fix it. Yeah.

I have a song that I'll introduce because I actually want to talk. I want to just let people know that there is a new podcast that stars Mary Jo Eustace and Dean McDermott. I want to let people know. No, no, no. It and Dean McDermott. I want to let people know. No, no, no. It's Dean McDermott. No, no, no, no. It just rolls off the tongue.

No, it goes back and forth. Dean McDermott. No, no, no, no. D comes before M. No, no, no. Yeah. So here's the song. Eustace comes before McDermott.

Go on, Mike. Here's the song to introduce it. And then I have questions for you two. Okay. Lay it on. I'm gonna be a killer, I'm gonna kill somebody I'm gonna be a killer, I'm gonna kill somebody Tell me I can't wait Cause I'm one too afraid they're gonna come back to me Cause I'm the best one that they ever thought of me

They said, I know, they'll hold me like gold They won't let you go, they won't let you go Okay. Wow. Like shot out of a cannon. Yes. That's the new theme song for. Just for the listeners. Yeah.

There's no. It sounded like it was playing in a coffee cup. Oh, just on your side, though. Oh, just on our side? Okay. On my side, it's me pristine here. But that is the theme song to X's and Uh-Oh's. X's and Uh-Oh's starring Gene McDermott and Mary Jo Eastwood.

Oh, my God. It's X's and Uh-Oh's. X's and Uh-Oh's. X's and Uh-Oh's. You said Uh-Oh's. X's and uh-ohs. X's and uh-ohs. You said uh-ohs. X's and uh-ohs. No, no, I'm saying uh-ohs. You just hit, you hit the uh harder than I do.

Mike, did he hit the uh? I recorded it and he did not hit the uh the way we like him to hit the uh. There you go. But I said uh-ohs. Okay. Okay, Dina, that makes you feel better. Do you want me to sound like I'm choking? Like, welcome to this episode of X's and uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh,

There you go. That's it. That's it. Okay. Okay, so. You just got it. You just got it. I'll do it.

Producer note, though, before we find out, like, why should people listen? What the hell is it about? Very quick producer note, which is to say, people can literally right now pause this podcast, this episode 1145 at Toronto Mic. You could pause that. It took me this long to score MJ and Dino here.

You could go now to the podcatcher that you're already subscribed to, Toronto Mic, and you could subscribe right now to X's and Uh-Oh's with Dean McDermott and Mary Jo Eustace. You can do that right now. Do it.

Do it. Any of your podcatchers go to X's and O's and check us out. Yeah, get ready for excellence. Should we say when we drop? When is this episode going to play, Mike?

Okay, well, the Toronto Mike episode we're recording right now? Right now. Yeah. That'll be in the Toronto Mic'd episode we're recording right now? Right now. Yeah. That'll be in the Toronto Mic'd feed in less than two hours. Oh, there we go. Okay, so Wednesday, November 9th is when X's and Uh-Oh's drops.

So go to your favorite. Hold on. Mike's got to correct you. Technically speaking, it's already available now. Like the first episode has already dropped. But we just want it to sound official. You can go there now and listen. Tell your friends and

email us at xsanduhoes at gmail.com. We want to hear from you. We want to hear your questions because, of course, we'll answer those for you. We will. xsanduhoes at gmail.com. Yours truly, believe it or not,

is divorced. I'm on my second marriage. Okay. So my, I'm a divorced guy. And when I listen, welcome, welcome to the club.

Yeah. And when I listen to you too, and again, I have questions because a lot of people need like the table set, but I want to just let the listenership know that this, the spirit, the beautiful, authentic spirit of this show,

two people had a bad divorce. You two had a, and we're going to get into a little of the details, but all the details are in this podcast you have, but you guys had a bad divorce and now you're friends now and there's so much to learn from you two. Just give us an idea of why did you decide to start this podcast,

X's and O's? That's a really excellent question. And I can see why people listen to your podcast. Mike's smart. Even though we talked about cocks at the beginning. Well, I'm glad we talked about cocks at the beginning, truthfully. And now we're getting into the divorce. And yeah, you are divorced.

Why there's no cock. There's no cock. You are divorced. So you're married again divorced. Why there's no cock. There's no cock. You are divorced. So you're married again. So there's definitely no cock. So what happened is that over the years, and we've constructed like these, this 12 step program within our podcast, where we talk about, you know, the moment you find out you're getting divorced to the last step, which is when you become friends again with your ex. And we were really committed to doing this and to see if we can do this because our divorce was heinous. It was bad and horrible and played out in the media. It was just a clusterfuck.

And Dean and I have been talking about doing this for a while. And the truth is we do. Well, Dean's still in love with me. That's the first thing. But we get along very, very well. And I don't even want to say it was about our son, Jack. I mean, that was part of it. But as adults, I felt. That was a catalyst. That was a catalyst. Or a common thread between us.

Yes, our DNA, our offspring. But beyond that, as adults, I felt that this was unabashedly adult. That for us to reconnect and become friends and revisit why we actually cared about each other initially was really important to kind of heal and forgive. And we've gone through this journey together and it's just been incredible. And so many people can relate to it because 60% of the population gets divorced anyway. And at one, yes, yes. And at one point it just didn't make sense to me anymore mike because you know we would get together for jack's birthdays and we get together for christmas

and no matter where mary jo and i were at with our relationship we could be like you know fuck you i hope you drop dead don't ever call me i'm'm blocking you. We'd always get together with our common thread, Jack and Mary Jo and I would always kind of pick up where we left off before we got divorced. Like that chemistry was always there. That sense of not sexual, not sexual, not sexual, not for me, maybe Mary Jo, but not me. Um, no. So we just, you you know we would have rip roaring good times and like the rest of the table is looking at us like these guys are just so fucked they hate each other but you know here they are sitting together laughing their ass off so we'd always pick up where we left off and one of the biggest things when when the shoe really fell was when we went to san fran

for our son's graduation. And we ended up spending three days together at the state party. Our ass is off. Went to drag shows, gay bars. Yeah. We had the best time. We were so thrilled that our son did ask me to go back to your room,

but I said, no, but I were desperate. You were a bit desperate. I think somebody roofied me. Is that what happened? That's what it was, yeah. And when I knocked on your door and you were in like your snakeskin underwear?

When I gave you a pineapple? Here's the thing. Okay, we walked around. San Francisco is a great town for walking around, just like Toronto and New York. So we walked everywhere. We must have put 100,000 steps on our Apple Watches. So I'm like, I need a nap like i haven't walked as much so i was having a nap i get woken up knock on my door i'm like what the fuck like

who's so there's mary jo with like one of the most beautiful pineapples i've ever seen did you get at the market or at the stay pineapple hotel no no i bought it it was like 20 bucks because the hotel was called the pineapple and i wanted to have his give it dean a symbol of you know because the pineapple in hawaiian means friendship and you know yeah so they just happened they just happened to catch me in my t-shirt and my black and white i think it tied her striped underwear it's like a banana hammock no it wasn't no no it was disturbing dean no it was disturbing i never wear a banana hammock it was like the the 40s square boxer kind of thing and the only reason you saw it is because you you looked in the mirror i didn't realize i saw a reflection i was behind

the door being a gentleman and you looked in the mirror and you saw and i and after that i went down to the hotel bar i was like oh, oh, I gotta have a drink. Gotta get that out of my head. I don't blame you. I don't blame you. I don't, it's not pretty. I have to get that out of my head. It's not a pretty say.

Okay. So let me just let people know. I've heard all these recordings you guys have been doing for the last few months. And we're going to drop episodes. I think every week we're going to drop a new episode. And there's one in the kitchen right now. People can subscribe now. There's even a YouTube show show.

I actually created a, like a, like a page with links to all these places so people can subscribe and like consume. But I want to go back. I've, so I've learned a lot about you guys from just, you know,

I'm on zoom, but I turn off my camera and then I just listen. Okay. And I learned so much. So I, I know a lot. So we're not going to repeat the episodes that we've recorded, but I want to give like a little bit of like a blueprint

of what's going on here. And the first thing is that you two, in case people don't know, you guys are from Toronto. Like you fell in love in Toronto. Yes. Correct. Correct. Dean fell in love with me madly, as a matter of fact.

Tell him, Dean. I'm hoping to hear this story. No, you have to listen to the show. You have to this story. No, you have to listen to the show. You have to listen to the show. You know what I love about the show and Mike touched on it. It's really genuine and heartfelt. And we're exploring things that we didn't know about each other. We're talking about things that we never talked about. And we're going back and searching the hard drive and coming up with these beautiful memories and moments that we have.

And we talk about those. The hard ones too, the hard moments. And the hard moments too. Because you've done a lot of thinking, Dean. Like you were nervous about how much thinking you've had to do. Yes, and thinking hurts my brain. But also, I'm trying to become a better person

through this whole thing as well. Mary Jo is very spiritual and she's farther ahead and ish, ish, you know, we're working this out together, but, you know, we believe that, you know, we loved each other at one point we were each, you know, we were the bomb to each other and it was going to be forever. At some point we loved each other and, you know, yes, we went through some hard stuff and it was nasty, but you know what? It's my belief that you should always, always have a relationship with your ex, whether it's, it's, it's boyfriend, girlfriend, or you're married or whatever. Um, because you were, you were a unit at one point question no question so you guys have a child together jack spit it out mike yes if there's no jack and there's no lola

do you still have to have a relationship with each other or can you just like fuck it and move on this is what i'm this is what i'm trying to say because i i know that the kid card is in a way easy oh what's the greatest thing you ever did together? Your kid? Well, whatever, you know, yes. But not having a kid is an easy card to play as well. Yeah. So, so it can work either way. So I think that it's really important when you have these significant relationships that you honor them and come to some, I just don't, I think you have to work it out on some level. And you know, what was really interesting is that talking to some people about the show

and listen to some of the advanced episodes because they're sensational. They said, Oh, this is really a show about forgiveness. It's about forgiveness and forgiving the person and, you know, letting yourself off the hook. And, and I think it's really essential in the culture to be able to do this. And I think it's an adult journey and I think it really helps propel you forward in your other relationships. And you know, what's really interesting. I'm going to take a moment here. Cause you talked about the Napa thing and the hockey thing. So you two are just going to shut the fuck up. I'm going to take a moment here. This weekend, I saw, don't say anything,

but remember Open Range when you did Open Range? Yes. With Kevin Costner? Yes. Just nod. Just nod. Okay. Okay, so I was together with those girls on Saturday night.

We had a Friday night. We had a whole reunion. Mike, the producer, the global producer, when Dean and I were married, Dean did Open Range in Calgary and Kevin Costner. It was a Kevin Costner movie. By the way, you were great in that. Thank we went to, we went to Canmore for two months, Jack and I, to hang out with Dean. And I met this group of girls and one of them was Annette Bening's makeup

artist and assistant. And I mean, one of my friends is worldwide famous makeup artist, Julia Roberts, George Clooney, the whole nine yards. And I saw this group of girls on the weekend. It was really interesting because half the girls said, oh my God, I support this. This is so amazing. And then the other half said, I just don't know if I can get over what he did. I just don't know if I can listen. And I said, you have to listen. You have to hear the whole story. It's important you listen, support me, listen to it, and you'll understand why I'm doing it. And they were like, okay. And I think to a certain extent, they'd probably projected some of their personal experiences on it when they had a bad breakup or when something horrible happened. And so they were bringing that to the

table. And I said, I want you to listen with open ears because I think you're going to learn a lot about human dynamics and what was going on and the arc of forgiveness and reconnection. And they were like, okay, but I've had that. I've had some people just go, how can you? And I'm like, because I want to, I want to get to that next level in our relationship. And, and, and we have with hard work. I think that's a funny reaction because it's happened to to me and my friends when it happened and it was like you're acting like i divorced you i've always found that odd what was that how people react to the divorce like you said some of these friends you met with like oh god i can't listen to that whoa yeah it's just like, you're acting like he divorced you.

Well, people are protective. People are super, super protective. I understand that. But just to go to that, I don't know. I guess a lot of people are. Well, Dean, I was going to ask you about this. Dean, I go on Twitter and I'm like, okay, Mary Jo Eustace and Dee McDermott are coming on.

Do you have any questions? And I'm going to be very honest with you because I like you and we're friends and I'm telling you there were people who just... Hold on. Okay. Is that a Canada goose in there? It sounds like a Canada goose.

It sounds like a tugboat. Okay. Hi, I'm back. So, but there were several people who had something to the effect of like, what does he think about being such a douche bag and things like this? Okay.

Yeah. And worse, maybe. Nice name. Okay. So, so let me just dumb this down a shade. Cause some people are like,

what are we talking about here? But there are a lot of people who see it like this. You're, you're married to Mary Jo Eustace. We're going to learn more about her in a minute, but you have a child with Mary Jo named Jack and you fall in love on a movie set or, yeah, I guess it was a movie

set. You fall in love with a famous person named Tori Spelling who everyone knows, people know from 90210 but I remember her from Saved by the Bell. You remember she was Screech's... Yes, yes, Violet Bickerstaff. Yeah. I. Violet Bickers. Yeah.

I remember her from that too. She was super cute. So shout out to Tori Spelling. And shout out to Mark Weisblatt who came over and knew that I was producing the show with you. You're producing this book again. Well, no, I've seen it. And as I say, I'm in every chapter. Storytelling. Every chapter.

That's the first one. That's a good book. So people see it as basically you like leaving your family and, uh, hooking up with a Hollywood star. Yeah. And people are very like unforgiving. So what do you say to these? Very unforgiving.

And we talk a lot about this in our podcast. We don't want to give too much away. Cause we really go into a lot of detail about this. We don't. I mean, you know, uh, you know,

I just searched Instagram today. I, I posted something about, uh, you know, you know, I just searched Instagram today. I posted something about, you know, when I was doing stand up my first gigs in New York City and people like just this morning, I was called a douchebag piece of dirt. Does it bother you still? Does it bother you? No, it doesn't. No, I wouldn't let it bother me. It just perplexes me that it's 17 years, right? Like, just move on. Like, it's over. It's done.

This was between Mary Jo and I and Jack and Tori. It's got nothing to do with you. Mind your own fucking business. And take that energy of going to my account and writing something nasty. Go to someone's account that you do like, an actor, a singer, an activist, and tell them, hey, you're awesome. I love what you're doing. It's just negative energy. The same way that couples who divorce or split up with or without kids if you don't have a relationship with your spouse it's just negative energy you're carrying around and taking up space for something

positive to come in your life so i'm going to be called a douchebag till the day i die you know oh yeah and that i that i live off my wife and i'm a fucking deadbeat dad and lazy piece of shit i'm gonna that's a cross i have to bear you know and lazy piece of shit. I'm going to, that's a cross I have to bear, you know, and I didn't know that that was going to come with the territory, but it is what it is. And, uh, you know, at the time it was horrible. The heart wants what the heart wants and what happened happened. But here we are, here I am with my ex wife and we're mending fences, building bridges, we're growing, we're mending fences building bridges we're growing we're healing and becoming better people because of it so whatever people think of me I have to

um you know stick to my own narrative I'm a good guy I'm a really good guy and and I make mistakes and I fuck up and I messed up and you, find me someone who's perfect. You know what I mean? Aside from, you know, present company. Yeah, present company excluded. Except, well, you're not perfect. The blowing of the nose, it sounds like a tanker ship. You're not, you know, you're almost there.

Not hot. Let's put it that way. Not hot. So I'm glad you asked that question mike because i have i and i have it i i used to have really bad reactions to it and i would call people out as like i'll meet you anywhere anyplace you say that to my face and they would go away but i i just it just water off a duck's back now because i know in my heart i'm a good guy i'm a good dad uh i'm a good husband and i'm just trying to be a good human being you know were you i know in my heart i'm a good guy i'm a good dad uh i'm a good husband and i'm just

trying to be a good human being you know were you i know you kind of referenced it there but you must have been taken aback at the uh tabloid shit storm that kind of blew up when this all went down i mean i acted like i'm not a guy who reads tabloids i don't watch tmz like this world's foreign but even i caught wind of this like it it kind of permeated the uh the atmosphere it was like through osmosis i was kind of absorbing all this but permeated the atmosphere for a decade over a decade i'm telling you it goes on and on and on and on and on like you can we can talk about it forever yeah you know and i don't i don't think i don't think either one of us would have predicted that.

Yeah. You know, because we just came from Toronto. You know, I had a great career in Toronto and overnight, basically. I'm everywhere. And then, you know, the divorce gets the rumors get out and the story gets out and then, boomary joe's brought into it and it just becomes huge i was like we we were just you know just a couple from toronto that moved to right to try and make it then it got a life of its own and and people made mistakes in that uh using it to leverage and promote and stuff so it was it was a learning experience for all tori would have had way more experience with the media than we did. Cause we did not.

I mean, she did not. She's been plagued by the media since she was 11. But she's also utilized it. She's utilized it. And we talked about this. Yeah. So,

so it was all an interesting learning curve on so many levels because to Mike's point, like who would have thought anybody would have given a shit about this? That's what I thought. Yeah. Who would have thought I was shocked that anybody, I remember when it first, you know, went down so many things, but I remember specifically, I did an interview with the Globe and Mail, which is the, you know, the, is the Globe and Mail still exist? Of course. Yes. Yes. I think so. But it's only like this thin, right? It's like. Yeah. Same with the star. I did this interview and you know, I didn't,

I'd done tons of stuff for what's for dinner. And he said, no, I hadn't done. He said, she said, you know, I had a good career in Canada as well. And, and so the Globe and Mail was like, oh, we want to interview. And I'm like, oh, that's great. That's a superior paper. I'm going to do that. And you know, I did the interview and, and I was naive. And then the next day it came out, you know, Mary Jo is she our Jennifer Aniston.

And, you know, as she you know, leverages her script and her book to movie fame. And I'm like, what? I had no eye. The old bait and switch. You know, and how do you feel about being the Jennifer Aniston of Canada? Like, what are you talking about? But does that make Dean the Aniston of Canada? What are you talking about?

Does that make Dean the Brad Pitt of Canada? Is that how that works? No. No. Because I was such a douchebag that they wouldn't even entertain calling me the Brad Pitt of Canada. Here's the thing. Maybe you were

a douchebag for a bit. Maybe I was this. Maybe I was that. But here's the beauty of it. That douchebag for a bit maybe i was this maybe i was that but here's the beauty of it that 17 years later you know we're talking about it and what i love that we've discovered first of all a lot of this stuff we've never even talked about right when it happened all these explosive horrible you know hiroshima's in our life we never really discussed no we just distance ourselves right and it was just like just like, I think I objectified this experience because I couldn't even relate to it. And I think that what we're doing here, which is important is we're doing our narrative. Like we're, you know, we're telling our story

and it's not a one dimensional story and either as any divorce or any breakup or any relationship that goes South and has an ugly period. So, you know, so many people will relate to it. Ours just happened to play out really big in the town square. But we've said that on the show, it plays out everywhere in the town square. Like if you're in a community or your family, like everybody goes through this to a certain degree. a certain degree and to be able and especially for Dean I think um that you've been able to really your narrative you you're owning your narrative of what happened in a very interesting and empowering and honest way that I think people are going to be really surprised impressed um you're articulate about it you know you you're accountable about it so i think it's it's going to show us in a very different light yeah well thank you and i hope so i hope so um it does i think it does mike if i could speak what do you think if i could speak to anyone out there who thinks dean's some douchebag who just left his toronto family for hollywood starlet like i would

say listen to start with episode one, obviously. And then you'll find yourself, you know, anxiously waiting for episode two because it's that good, but just hear them out because I will say there's nothing scripted. I just want to tell people from like a producer's perspective, there's no,

nothing scripted. There's nothing, uh, mapped out on the board or whatever. Like, it's like, to me, I feel,

I told you guys this many times, I feel like I'm listening in on your therapy session. Like it's so heartfelt and authentic. And there are moments where, you know, one of you will say something to the other and then, you know, you'll say,

you know, you've never said that to me before. And there are these moments of truth and reconciliation. And it's really beautiful. And as a divorce guy, I appreciate it. But I think as anybody who's interested in the human dynamic and relationships as a whole would benefit from hearing you two talk uh openly and honestly on this show well mike thank you that's we don't pay you enough well we don't know i know yeah the check is in the mail yeah um you know when i

approached uh mj um as the star of this podcast x's, and said, hey, do you want to be a part of it? Oh, fuck you. No, but when we. Douchebag, asswipe. I prefer bag of douche. This is like douchebag is just overused. But, you know. For you it is.

When Mary Jo and I started talking about this show, it was very much, you know, it's it's open and honest and vulnerable or we don't do it. It won't work. It won't. It just won't work. Yeah. We can't. Because we have a real opportunity here, too. Like there's nothing like it on the podcast.

Horizon or whatever you want to call it. Landscape. Landscape. Landscape. Thank you. That's the word I was looking for um i was gonna say manscape but that's that's different that's a different show uh we have a real opportunity here and you know uh it's it's open and honest and heartfelt and we do we and i love those moments that uh you know it's just self-discovery while you're listening to a podcast there's self-discovery going on.

And there's things, like I said, we haven't talked about that are moving, angering, enlightening. You get the whole shebang with this show. You really do. You do. Here's some general questions. Obviously, all the details are in the podcast. But how long were you two married for?

Ask Dean. He'll get the number. But how long were you two married for? Ask Dean. He'll get the number. Go, Dean. 13 years. Go, Dean. Wow, you got it. After 92 episodes, you finally got it. I finally got it.

I'll forget again. The 13 years, the best years of your life. That's it. Next question. You know I hide my own Easter eggs? Do you really? Because you won't know where they are. Because I forget.

You forget where they are. We were married for 13 years. 13. And presently we've been divorced for 17. For 17. Yes. 17. Yeah.

And Dean, how long have you been married to Tori Spelling? 17 years because he got married 12 seconds after our divorce was final. And had 32 kids. It wasn't 12 seconds, but it was fast. So yeah. Actually, I'm guilty of the same thing. I think I got married very, very quickly the second time. Oh, you douchebag.

Mike, you're a douchebag, too. Men are pigs. Oh, my God. Men are pigs. I mean, I won't argue with that. I won't. Okay, so I'm just trying to get, like, some nuts and bolts here. Now, how many children do you two have together?

Mary Jo and I have an interesting situation. We have Jack who is 24 now and Lola. And we won't get into the nitty gritty of that, but I have two kids with MJ and I have five. And that's going to be a whole podcast. This is a whole thing that we're going to talk about, which has really been quite revolutionary for us too. Yes.

That whole thing. On the show and in person because Lola is back in my life, which is amazing. So, you know, a new relationship to grow and explore. So this is two children tied to Mary Jo Eustace. How many children do you have with Tori Spelling? Five. Okay, that's seven. Seven.

Wow. Seven. Look at Mike. Mike surprised himself. He did seven. Seven. Wow. Seven. Look at Mike. Mike surprised himself. He did math. Mike did math. Only because like.

This many fingers? I have four kids and I find it like tough to like, cause I'll be like, like I was spending the weekend with the 20 year old and I'm about to go to Montreal and visit the 18 year old. Meanwhile, I'm literally helping the six year old learning to read. And then the eight year old read hockey practice. And it's just, I feel like I'm like, oh my God,

like how do I balance this four person act? And you've got seven kids. You've got to spread yourself between. That's quite something. It is. And it's always toughest for the youngest. You always have to cater to the lowest common denominator. How old is the youngest?

He's five. Okay. youngest? He's five. Okay. He's five. You old guys with your young kids. I know. You old geezers. Keeping us young. I know.

I'm trying to catch up with Nick Cannon. Oh, that's 11. You'll never. Yeah, that's a good goal to have. I'll never catch up. Okay, this came up yesterday with my wife and I. Apparently, he's got like nine children. I think one actually passed away, sadly.

It did, sadly, yes. But two are in the oven with two different women. There's like six different women at play. I think that's going to make 11. You can't catch Nick unless you diversify your portfolio. As long as you stick to two women, you're never going to catch Nick. No, no. Does anybody want to catch Nick Cannon? No. I don't think so. Tori just saw him on Saturday. No. Does anybody want to catch Nick?

No. Tori just saw him on Saturday. They were both Nick's I forget which woman who was pregnant but they were speaking at a pregnancy expo. And Nick was there. It was a pregnancy expo? Yeah. He probably had a woman in every booth.

Is there a divorce expo? Because you guys should be like keynote in every booth. Is there a divorce? Is there a divorce expo? Because you guys should be like keynote speakers. Maybe we should start a divorce expo. Let's do a divorce expo. I would love to do that. I would love to do workshops. Okay.

I mean, we're going to, there's so many things we want to do with this. And at the gifting suite, you can take all your ex-husband's stuff and throw it in the garbage and vice versa. And burn it? Burn it, yeah. I like this question that came in so i got

some great photos i got a great question from barbs mcgee which is a real name by the way because barbs mcgee i think oh that's a fake name but that's a real name sounds like a bar porn star okay give it to us right is it for both of us uh it's so she saw a photo a promotional photo of you guys for x's and O's, the podcast. And she wanted to know if you're a couple. There were like six question marks at the end. So definitively for the record, is there anything romantic between you two anymore?

Well, they're just going to have to tune in, aren't they? Yeah. I mean, look at this man below me. Look at him. Tune in after dark, Barbara. So that's a no. Barb McGee. X's and O in after dark barbara so that's a no yeah barb mcgee x's and o's after dark i'm gonna teach dean a lesson uh suffice it to say no not currently not currently you never know you never know well

what does your wife uh do you know what does your wife think about this project you've taken on with Mary Jo? Like, is she supportive of this? Like, what's going on with that dynamic? Absolutely. Absolutely supportive. She thinks it's a fantastic idea. And she is my biggest fan. So she's behind me a thousand percent on everything I do.

And, you know, and that's something that you know we should talk about and maybe when we have her on the show uh mary jo and tori have been kind of doing the same thing we're doing not as not as fast-tracked as we are because we have a show together and right um have spent subsequently more time together but yeah so she's a hundred a hundred percent behind the show and uh we look forward to having her on as a guest. We really do. A little tease there. Quite the teaser.

It's going to be a two-parter. Two-parter with Tori. When I see Tori spelling entering the Zoom, I'll make some dick joke thinking it's Dean. And it'll be like, oh. Oh, she'll love it. If it's a dick joke, she'll love it. She likes a good dick joke.

Yeah. I mean, who doesn't? Really, who doesn't? Good point. Good point. Let's be honest. Now, I know you didn't want to tell too many details because it's all in the podcast, but there is a person that, you know, another FOTM played a role with you two getting together

when you fell in love in Toronto all those years ago. So can we shout her out? Because she came up in the origin story. Yes. Yes. Yes. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yes. The host of the very successful show, Feminine Warriors, Helen Tansey.

Yeah. Helen and I were, we dated. You dated. You dated. And we were kind of at the end of our dating experience. And she was at the event that Maryary joe was at where i met her for a second time because mary joe didn't remember the first time but by the first time you met mary joe was you basically at your agent's house seeing a photo of mary joe striker and saying she is

striking yeah and i was like oh my god who's this and he was like oh that's mary joe she's great uh you fell in love you fell in love then and there i'd like to be in love i'd like to meet her you fell in love all right i fell in love so i searched high and low i went through you know youtube and every other video streaming thing i could find looking for a bell canada ad that I guess was airing, are we in the early 90s now? Whereabouts am I where this is airing? Like 91, 92? Because maybe you two,

just a little bit about the fact that before you guys hook up at this event, which I think was at City Hall, I think, but with Helen Tansey, maybe City Hall. But I act like I was fucking there. I wasn't there. I know, were you? I was hiding behind the curtain there.

But there was an ad that was running, a Bell Canada ad starring Dean McDermott. And just give me a little taste of MJ of what you thought of that ad before you even met the actor who was in this Bell ad. Oh, God. This is like Brian Lanahan. Remember Brock Lanahan? Yeah. This is like...

Brock was on SCTV. This is Brian Lanahan. I know. I know. I know. This is an intense like. Well, Brock was on SCTV. This is, you know, Brian. I know, I know, I know. This is an intense interview. Well, when there was a commercial on the air, and for Bell Canada, it was a Bell Canada guy. And Dean was wearing Levi's and a white T-shirt. And he was saying goodbye to his girlfriend. And under like an oak, you know, maple tree or something like that.

And she was like, oh, I'm going to miss you so much. I'm going to miss you so much. And he went, I'll call. And she's like, oh my God, I'm going to miss you so much. And he said, don't worry, I'll call. And I think we said our friend. And she said, every day? Every day.

And you said? Every day. Every day. Every day. And that was the panty remover, the panty. I was also yoked. I was in like really great shape. You were in great shape, but that's a panty

dropper and when he said every day i was like oh my god that guy's super hot um and very canadian looking and i was like i said to my mother that's the type of guy i want to marry i mean you know like he misses his girlfriend he's gonna call every day he's canadian he's down to earth he looks great in jeans and a t-shirt. And then that was Dean. And I ran into Dean and we called him the Bell Canada guy. It's amazing to me to hear that. Super hot piece of ass. And then we met shortly after that.

Still a good looking guy. But like you're crushing on this actor in the Bell ad who happens to be Dean McDermott. Meanwhile, he's crushing on this photo of this model actress named uh mary jo striker that happened to be like like it is amazing that you guys finally met and that helen tansey helped uh you two sort of like connect there at this event because you two were already into each other before you met each other again that's chemistry yeah and helen you left and you're like oh okay like you were taking a long time to leave i was doing i was bouncing at the event i was doing security yeah and uh and so mary jo came down to hang out with us for a while and she's like okay i'm gonna go i'm like okay yeah see

like oblivious like that she was even into me and she's like okay i'll see you later and just kept hanging around and then she finally left and then helen comes up and smacks me in the back of the head and said you dummy she likes you I went really? She's like yeah she wanted like she was hanging around she really likes you and she said did you get her number? I was like no but I remembered that she worked at Select Feast

that's in our podcast people are going to be so mad at you for saying it's in the podcast that they're going to say I'm not fucking listening to that podcast these assholes no but there's more to it no there's there's so much like nobody we're just scratching yeah you're just scratching the surface everyone's gonna yeah i'm trying to have suspense for our viewer yeah there's there's plenty of suspense because nick caprios came on the show and said it's in the book and people were so mad they said they went and they burned the book at Indigo. It was like,

they just, you know, just threw a match on the floor. We don't want to start a revolution. You had Nick Caprio's on? Yeah. Yeah, he was episode 700, actually. Episode 700. Did he bring his NHL?

Was he wearing his NHL? Of course, of course. His Stanley Cup. I think he sleeps in it. It was huge. It was huge. The Rangers in 94, I guess. By the way,

did anybody watch The Chiefs last night? My Mahomey? Did anybody watch Patrick Mahomey? No, I'm Mahomey. His did anybody watch the Chiefs last night? My Mahoney? Did anybody watch Patrick Mahoney? No, I'm Mahoney. His phone. I love him. Oh, my God. He is so super hot.

Talking about super hot. And ran from the 20-yard line, got his team down the field, and they won. They were victorious. Oh, MJ. NFL football. Yeah. Because I don't want to have this. The period to hockey.

I don't want this episode to get us. Not. Not true. Oh, but I will say, I have this... The period to hockey. I don't want this episode to get... Not. Not true. Oh, but I will say, I have heard Mary Jo say she hates Toronto. Like, you visit your parents in Toronto and you can't wait to get out of the city. Like, you do not like Toronto, right?

That's great for people from Toronto tuning into our podcast. Thanks, Mike. But Dean likes Toronto. On Toronto, Mike. Thanks for that. I love Canada. Real talk, real talk.

Okay, I want to just make sure, Mary Jo, you know that you recorded a message for Bob Ouellette when he came over about three weeks ago. We played it and chatted about you. So what I'm hoping now, because we just, give us a taste of, you know, you weren't just, you know, Dean's wife when everything fell apart there. Like you were a big fucking star

in fact here's a couple of questions that came in sparky writes in wow blast from the past mary joe was hosting with ken caustic and mcdermott was on due south but i didn't know he was mary joe's hubby until he hooked up with tori'slling. I always enjoyed Mary Jo Eustace projects. And before you remark, and before you say a word, YYZ Gord, who I actually met at the Bandits premiere at the movies, shout out to Stu Stone,

and his huge wang, as we learned earlier. But YYZ... Tony's cock is bigger. Tony's is bigger. It sounds like it's like my arm, Tony. Yeah, that's what Dean said. But do women want that? I mean, I'm not, I'm just, I don't think that would be what you'd want, Tony. Yeah, that's what Dean said. But do women want that? I mean, I'm not, I'm just, I don't think that would be what you'd want to see. Like that's going to hurt, right?

Is that Sparky's question? No, no, no. Mary Jo says, really looking forward to this. I love Mary Jo Eustace. I followed her from Just What's for Dinner to Proud FM. I'm interested in how she got paired with Ken and the genesis of, is it called's for Dinner to Proud FM. I'm interested in how she got paired with Ken and the genesis of, is it called Just for Dinner or What's for Dinner?

What's for Dinner. Okay, because he accidentally called it Just for Dinner. Talk about chemistry. Those two. We had the best chemistry. Can we talk about Ken Kostick and all those great projects you had with Ken? I love it when people used to call this show

What's for Diner. I thought, really? No. What's for Dinner. Okay, so What's for Dinner, we started, oh God, I think, yeah, mid-90s. And so I had gone to George Brown. I was a chef and that's how I met Dean.

And so there was a casting call for this show called What's for Dinner to go and be a co-host for Life Network. Remember Life Network had just started, right? Susan Forrest. So I went to the audition with my little toolbox and everything in my knives and I auditioned and Ken and I had really good chemistry. And I went, remember Dean, I went for like a hundred auditions to get this. It was a nightmare. It was a nightmare. And then the money negotiation part of it was a night yeah which was like a dollar fifty per episode but anyway so and it was like 110 episodes it was canada it was canada so i was like i'm i was so excited to do this show

and then i get the call and they're like we hired somebody else and i was i was devastated and dean said okay let's go get our second golden retriever puppy. I'll get you a dog. So we went and we were picking up a second golden retriever. That's what you do. And I got a call. See, I always do this when I tell a story. I got a call at 10 o'clock at night and said, we fired this other broad.

And we want you to come in the next morning. And we're going to do camera rehearsals and see if you can do it. So they got rid of the other lady because the network thought I was way too left of center to come in and do this. And so I went in the next day and I got the job. I got the gig. And then, so then we did 110 episodes. So five episodes a day and we got loopy. Plus we were drinking in the afternoon and also the day that's insane. Yeah. And I outed him on tv many times and we had like rear like you had to like yeah like we had like rear door jokes and gay jokes and like anything i could throw in there i we had viewer mail that turned like pornographic anything that i could do and then what happened

is um liam lacey i don't know if he's still around yes critic for the globe and mail wrote this glowing review on what's for dinner And it just became this huge hit. Yeah. It was so unprofessional, but it was fun. It was unscripted. And the chemistry was insane. So that led to a huge journey with Kenny. Ups and downs, for sure.

Over the course of the next decade, we did. I remember the lawsuit. Several lawsuits. So we did What's for Dinner. We did 550 episodes of What's for Dinner. And then we did 150 episodes of He Said, She Said. And then we did two years of a radio show called What's for Breakfast

with Ken and Mary Jo. And that was my favorite show because I said diarrhea every morning on the air, which I loved. And I'd get yelled at every day for saying diarrhea. And that's where Bob Ouellette enters your life. That's where Bob Ouellette entered my life. And he's like, MJ, please, please, don't say

it because Rob is going to be on my ass. And I would get called into the office. And poor Bob, every morning, was just horrifying. Didn't he play bass in your band? I don't think he plays music. Okay.

But quick Bob, connection here, quick collection, is before Bob was producing your show, Mary Jo, he of course produced the Humble and Fred show for many years.

I am the current producer of the Humble and Fred show. So Bob and I have... I love Humble and Fred. No way. Please say hi. Well, the thing is, you're in California,

for those who don't know, and if you guys, and I didn't even want to ask because of the time difference, but at 8.15 Toronto time, any time, I don't know, maybe one day, I don't know why you want to wake up. We'd do it. I would do it. I would put you, because I booked the guests, I would put you two on Humble and Fred in a heartbeat

if you were happy to come on at 5.15 a.m. Love, love to be on Humble Howard. If it benefits us, yes. Okay, well. Yeah, Howard's a great golfer too. He's actually, he's a fantastic golfer. Yeah, yeah. He's like a senior club champion or something.

Yeah, he's like a scratch. Yeah, he's an awesome golfer. Okay, so that's going to happen. Actually, we had Humble and Fred on What's for Dinner. Humble and Fred came on What's for Dinner. Wow. They came on our show. So, yes, so that became a big hit for us and we had lots of fights.

And then after the third season, I quit cause I couldn't take it anymore. And then the, they came back to me for equal nation. So Ken and I were both producers. Remember this Dino? And then it was, then it was great and it was great because we were equals. So it was so fun. And the radio show, What's for Breakfast, was probably the funnest thing we've ever done. Now, the Evanoff group, which own that Proud FM,

is, at least from what I've been told, notorious. They're mafioso, Evanoffs, aren't they? Well, you know, the main Evanoff gentleman passed away like two years ago. You really want to put that out there? I wasn't going to say Mafioso for the record. I was going to say, I'm just curious, did they actually pay you

or did you pay them to come on Proud FM and do the What's for Breakfast? Well, it was the Evanoff family and the Camiso family, and I'm not even kidding. Rainbow Camiso was my boss and I met him when he got out of jail for murder at the company Christmas party. Wow. Wow.

Wow. I'm serious. And at this time in your life. They were Camiso and Rocco, right? Yeah. Bakeries, bakeries. Wow. And he said, come to my house for dinner.

And I'm like, okay. And then they said. I'll come. Leave the gun, take the cannoli. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. The godfather. No, but yes, yes.

Okay, so wait. The radio show, though, is that after Dean said to you, I'm leaving this marriage? Yes. Okay, okay. I just want to get my timelines right. That was after Dean had departed that I did the radio show. You moved back to Toronto for about two years. Yeah, to work.

Yeah, I did the, I did the radio show and I did, he said, she said I did the, I was very busy, but the radio show was the best. And Bob Willett was like the best producer ever because he just surfed porn and didn't even pay attention to anything.

He said like nothing. He had a hot dog in the morning for breakfast, like a hot dog at 5 30 in the morning and he was on facebook the whole time and ken i remember ken saying once bob i don't want to take you off facebook but i'm concerned there's no signal at the moment you can you just so to recap for the fotms listening we've had uh updates on stew stones wiener and bob willett's hot dog yes hot dog yes Yes. Hot dog. Yes. Lots of phallic stuff in this episode.

It was a gay radio station. It was a gay radio station. I've been there because we actually recorded a podcast for Humble. Is it still on Church Street? Yeah, Church and Wellesley. Yeah. I think so. Yep.

It is. It is. Next door to the baths. We'd see the people coming in and out of the baths for a sing in the morning. It's highly unsavory. And I always said to Ken, do people go to the baths we'd see the people coming in and out of the baths first thing in the morning highly unsavory and i always said to ken do people go to the baths for the buffet like is there a buffet like after you have your bath is there like macaroni salad like you know like is there a breakfast buffet he's like is there there is a buffet oh what a horrible place to

go for a buffet i know i know there's a Just a buffet. Okay, I have, obviously, I want to, you know, shout out to Ridley Funeral Home. I want to talk about Ken and the sad ending there. But is it true that he worked for CSIS and would kidnap people in white vans? I take the fifth. Really? Did I tell you that?

Yeah, you did. I was shocked. I was shocked. Dean, was that on the record or off the record? That was on the record, right? That she said that. Well, when we record our show, we keep rolling because we get fun little bits that we're going to cut together and you might

have said it then, so it's on the record. You can plead the 5th. It's Canada. It's alleged, right? It's alleged. he's no longer with us i don't think you can like you know libel a guy who's passed on no no no no he did work for cesus um seriously whoa yes yes no one knows this that nobody knows that way and he could kill a man with his bare hands he was a black belt like we should tell you were not not just a colleague of Ken, but you were like his best friend. He was his best friend, yeah.

And there's other things I can't go into for security reasons that might involve Libya, and I'm not even kidding. Qaddafi. I want to know how he even got into it. Like, is this something that he was like this well this guy from winnipeg when his top dancing career failed where do you go yeah you go to ceases yeah it makes perfect sense he was um ken was like the most complicated person ever but ken was a force a force beyond and you did not want to mess with Ken

because there was a side of him that was insane like ceases for sure and then the other side that was so kind and loving and he was very complicated guy I know Mike can't believe it I can't believe it but it is shocking

to hear that there has to be a movie about him I would love it I can't believe it. It is shocking to hear that. There has to be a movie about him. Yeah. I would love it. And I could get it through his ex-boyfriend. What's for ceases? What's for ceases? I could get it from his ex-boyfriend.

There's lots of info there. Oh, God, yeah. I mean, he won a lot of tap dancing competitions, but maybe it was something else. But he would kidnap people in white vans? Like, are yours confirming that? They had to interview people. I just want to leave it at that.

Wow. I'm fascinated. He was a very powerful person, Ken. He was a big personality, but I didn think massive he was ceases you know could take people out well i don't know if he took people out but but he was you just said he could kill someone with his bare hands no he could i didn't say he did but he was no black belt but he was a black belt and once on set he did a high kick i'm like jesus was that from the tap dancing or the kung fu it was a tap dance he had a little he had a little heel on and he did a high kick i'm like jesus was that from the tap dancing or the kung fu it was a tap dance he had a little he had a little heel on and he did a a kick and i was like oh my god he could

kill somebody either with his heels or his foot he was he was stronger than he would have thought for a little man he was strong yeah he was kind of he was kind of yeah he could get bulky he could get bulky you know mj i'm on a serious tip, I'm very sorry that you lost your best friend. He was so young. Were you there at the end when he passed away? You know, as a matter of fact, yes, I was. And so he got sick in October. And at that time, I just started dating someone, believe it or not.

So I wanted to tell Ken about it, and I couldn't get in touch with him. He was in the hospital. So he had a very, very rough patch, very rough patch from October to January. And then it was just, he just had a set of bad circumstances, you know, when you get just bad luck, like one thing after another. And, but I remember talking to him in the new year in January and he was feeling much, much better. And he said to me, you have to come to Toronto and see me and you have to bring Lola because he loved Lola. He was obsessed with Lola. And I said, we'll do. And I was talking to him throughout and then it was March or April and I had to come to Toronto for work. I couldn't bring Lola. And the day before I came to Toronto, I got a call from his boyfriend saying he's had a relapse and

he's in the hospital so I was like okay so I went and he was uh you know anyway yeah I think it's okay to talk about this he was hooked up to machines he was no longer viable really you know and um I walked in and he was really kind of you know know, he'd hate me for saying this, but bloated. But what I said to him was like, honestly, you're so bloated. You have no wrinkles. Like you look so good right now. You have no idea. You look like a 30 year old man, whatever you're doing.

So I spent quite a few days with him. I would go in and see him. And then the final day I went in with my mother and I was just sitting there with him. And I just did not want to leave. I didn't want to leave because I knew. And my mom said, you got to go. So I said goodbye. And then the next day when I got to California, he passed away. So he waited for me to see him. So I spent three or four days with talking to him. I talked to the doctors, they told me what was going to happen. And I didn't have power of attorney. I didn't have that. doctors they told me what was going to happen and i didn't have power of attorney i didn't have that but uh with his boyfriend i was like okay it's time i think to let him go but it was heartbreaking

and how old was he broken 57 wow yeah way too 57 yeah i do remember when you were doing the show that he'd go through phases where he'd be kind of bloated. Yeah, and he would have pancreatitis. That's what it was that eventually took him out. Yeah. But, and then I guess that summer we had a big celebration of life for him. And you know me, I'm so off the cuff and I could not do it off the cuff. I had to write a speech because I couldn't get through it.

But he was very, very loved. People adored him. He was great. He was so funny. I just remember just having such great times at the house with Ken. It just, he was so funny. Just so funny. And the two of you together, that was, that was lightning in a bottle.

It was, it was, it was once in a lifetime sort of thing. There's never been another show like it. No. Just cracking jokes. It's all just the Food Network has just become predictable. It's just competition show after competition show. If we had a show in the States, I would not be doing this show. I would be in Montecito right now next to Oprah.

It would be amazing. Well, hey, maybe it can be resurrected. Yeah. So people love him far and wide. And if I ever post anything on Instagram about him or a birthday tribute, you know, the quotes I get from people are like, I was gay. You helped me come out. My mom was sick.

I used to sit up with her at night and watch you. I was breastfeeding. So he had quite a legacy. He had a really nice legacy that he left. It was fun. I feel a bit bad for suing him three times now.

It was three times? I only thought it was once. Twice. Twice. I heard Dean say that and I didn't know if it was a joke or if it's so. No, we did. We always did. Well,

yeah. I mean, he used pictures in his book of, of Jack and that weren't nobody authorized. So he was gonna, he threatened to charge me of being a pedophile. Oh, because remember that?

Remember the, remember the picture? Yeah. You remember that picture? Jack and I's first bath? Yeah. So I'm covering Jack's privates and Jack is covering my privates. It's just a funny picture and he was just like, yeah,

I'm going to out Dean as a pedophile. Oh, you see, he can go. He could go either way. That's nasty, man. That's nasty. Yeah, he could get very nasty. we went from rest in peace to you son of a bitch but that's why i still loved him i still loved him he was complicated i still loved him and i wish he was still here that was the coming out yeah a little a little apparently he could have killed me so many mind blows here, Dean, you have canceled your dinner plans, right?

We're just warming up. No, just kidding. I do want to know, though. Okay, so your IMDb page, it's similar to Tony Napo, you know, Tony Napo. Yeah. Without the cock. Without the schronce. What are the three roles?

I just want to know the three roles in your lifetime that you're the most proud of as an actor oh oh oh oh that's good um uh there is a a role from top cops from mid 80s um for those of you don't knowops was a, sort of a kind of a procedural show about cops opening a case or following a case. And I played, it's so funny. This, I played a pedophile, this carpet cleaner. And I killed, I killed this 12 year old girl. And I remember it was Thanksgiving in Canada and I stayed home because I didn't want to be around anybody I loved. I didn't want want that it was a kind of first method thing i ever did and um and i worked with henry churney who's become a huge star big time yeah mission impossible incredible

actor incredible guy and so i just i just killed these scenes that i had and i was i was 24 so that was my big so proud of that role and all of can was like, why is the bell guy killing that poor little girl? Why is he killing their little kids? And then Due South. Yeah. Due South was my favorite show to work on. Paul Gross, Paul Haggis, Callum Keith Rennie. Yes.

And I got to play this doofus Mountie. And it was the first time I discovered discovered that I could play comedy and I just loved it. That's my first love is, is comedy comedic acting. And you know, the show, the show disbanded, but I just love that. And that's where I learned from Paul gross best idea and Paul Haggis that best idea wins. If you're on the catering truck and you have a great idea for the show and if it's better than mine, it's in the show.

And then Open Range with Kevin Costner and Robert Duvall. That was my biggest gig to date still. Sir Michael Gambon. Robert Duvall. Tell them how you did the audition to get the role. Sir Michael Gambon Wow Robert DeVolver Tell them how you Robert DeVolver Tell them how you Did the audition

To get the role Oh It was the audition What you did Yeah it was It was funny This was my fourth Big American project

That I auditioned Was auditioning for And I I didn't I was like Yeah right I'm gonna get A role

In an American movie With Kevin Costner Robert Duvall Annetteette Bening, and the great late Michael Jeter, amazing actor. And so I learned the lines in the car on the way over because I was like, fuck this. There's no way. There's no way Costner's going to hire me.

There's no way. So I go in, and I'm playing playing this doctor and i decided to play him uh you know my audition was different than than what was uh on on the screen i i played him an alcoholic with a limp and uh they got back to me like as soon as they got the tape like the next day and they're like um is dean disabled is he disabled actor and my agent was like uh he is if you want him to be right um but they hired me right away and um if you get the dvd for those of you who are doing that dvds were like little discs that played movies on um they have extras and everything was being filmed behind the scenes. So Costner had all the headshots out of everybody that he hired.

And he took mine specifically and said, now there's Dean. Dean came in and he had a point of view and he played it with the lamp. And he's like, this is, this is a great actor here. And he got the part right away. And that was, that was awesome. Yeah. Amazing. I haven't worked with him since. I mean, I'd love to be on Yellowstone.

There's like 20 parts I could play on that, but that was. He was such a nice guy. He was such a cool guy. He's such a cool guy. So laid back, great director, but he kept calling Mary Jo Mary. And if you ever call Mary Jo Mary, she'll shut you down right away, but not Costner. Couldn't,

he was too cute. No, he was, he was dreamy. And he was dreamy. I, I remember, uh,

uh, on the Mike Bullard show, um, the, you know, the pre interview, they were like, you know,

what's he like? I said, he's like the nicest smelling guy I've ever. So they put that in the interview, but he did. He just fucking smelled great. We're in the middle of nowhere in Calgary, you know, the horse shit and everything.

Like it was a real Western town and, you know, a hundred degree weather and wool. And he just smelled great all the time. Well, I remember when I came to visit you on set, because they recreated this whole set in the valley. It was in Canmore, it was in canmore some beautiful valley in canmore so it took a while to get there so um so i was i jack was only three or four so dean was shooting that day so we got taken to you know and there was like a tent i guess a

tent so i walked in the tent and the sun like was like shining through and like a spotlight on kevin costner and i was walking towards him and he smiled at me and i was like oh my god this man is so gorgeous he came over and shook my hand it was so lovely his wife was so lovely too hi mary and i was like hi mary and i remember i remember remember meeting Robert Duvall. And I went up to meet him. And he looked at Dean. He went, Dean, you lied. You told me she wasn't beautiful.

He was kind of crusty. He was kind of crusty. He threatened. Do you remember Dave? The little guy who was kevin costas uh personal videographer yeah yeah he threatened to beat the shit out of him and he was bananas shove his life and butt down his throat if he kept filming him yeah he was funny he was funny robert yeah okay here i'm gonna do. I'm going to do rapid fire questions

that you guys can just quickly handle. And then I'm going to just promote a few podcasts, including X's and O's. And then we'll have kind of our final thoughts here. Okay. Final thoughts. This has been a great show. I could talk for another hour.

Mike, you're awesome. All right. Yeah, you're great, Mike. Don't tempt me. Craig M. writes in, my question would be, and I need to preface this by saying, I shared a promotional photo of you two

for X's and O's. So there's a photo of you two. And in this picture I shared, Dean's got a red leather jacket on. And Craig M. wants to know, why do you have Michael Jackson's jacket on? It's a good question, Craigig you know what's funny is uh that's that's the third time someone's made mention of the michael jackson jacket

um i want you to look up uh craig i want you to look up the michael jackson jacket and i want you to compare it side by side with my Master Supply Company Belvedere Collection red leather jacket. They're nothing alike. I just love that jacket. I can see, you know, the Michael Jackson reference. It's a bit of a stretch. But, hey, I'm supporting an incredible company out of Sudbury, a Canadian company. Hey!

Master Supply Company. to make incredible other jackets. Check them out. If you don't like the red one, then don't get the red one. And then he goes, his second question is he goes, he went to the Wikipedia page to read up on you, Mr.

Dean McDermott. And he said, it reads like plot lines from a soap opera. He says, you must be exhausted. It used, like i said i used to be exhausting and uh you know i take it personally and stuff like that but i just i didn't even know i had a wikipedia page uh i'm gonna go look at it now thanks craig uh but uh yeah your red jacket i'm gonna wear my red leather jacket and uh i'm gonna read the wikipedia page um you know after a while it's just it's just all noise i know my truth

yeah and uh i want you to address this i think this no now knowing you the way i do i'm almost like embarrassed to ask this question but lonnie lonnie says and I'm just reading this ask Dean why he was such a douche back then did he leave his wife and baby for the spelling fortune just address that specifically like is there a spelling fortune that uh caught your eye like just speak to that no that you know I didn't even I didn't put the two together like I didn't know how prolific Aaron Spelling was as a producer. You know, I just, I knew a little bit that, you know, Tori was his daughter and a show that he created. But beyond that, I didn't know, like he produced shows.

I watched as a kid, Starsky and Hutch, the mod squad. Like I didn't know how big he was. I certainly didn't know how much he was worth, but you know what? This question has been asked so many times, like, you know, you're just after her for the fame. You're after the family money. And that's why you got with her. And that's honestly, they got my hand to God is where my mother's grave. That is not the reason I honestly call naive i didn't even know there was a fortune and you know what without getting too into it it's not there it's not and besides if that was your play you don't need to have five kids with the woman like you could have one or two no no like if i wanted

if that was my play i'd get in may you know make sure there's two, so then I'm in. And everybody gave us six months. I had a friend of mine at the wedding party we threw afterwards because we got married in Fiji, just the two of us, say to my good friend, Johnny Fever, who lives just around the corner from you, and say, I give it six months. And he almost got the shit kicked out of him at the party because johnny fever was like not the place um so but here we are you know 17 years later five kids and uh you know everybody who thinks i'm after some kind of

fortune i probably would have been out by now if i was 17 years five kids that's a lot that's a commitment right um and you know we're still going strong and and well okay and i know though i don't mean to interrupt except my mom had a question she came over yesterday uh no two days ago she came over we played euchre with my oldest son she wants me to sign her bra would you is that asking yeah no of course i heard your mom's feisty so of course yeah my mom's hot i just mentioned to my mom you two were on the show monday and my mom says i heard dean mcdermott and tori spelling are separated and i said well do you want me to ask him i said because i the guy's like super authentic and trustworthy and he just tells the truth all the

time and she goes yes please so my question is my mom wants to know if you're still with Tori or you're separated. My mom wants to know. Okay, yeah, right, yes. Scout's honor. Okay, this is for Mike's mom. It's not for me, I don't care. You know, we are not divorced. We are not getting separated.

We are still together. We are still in love. We're still going strong. All of this started when tori went out without her wedding ring on she washed her hands forgot to put her wedding ring on and but at this point the paparazzi had left us alone for a good two years so she goes to farmer's market and out of out of nowhere she's like i got followed by a paparazzi it's been two years this is crazy you know so you know a week goes by and

then all of a sudden these stories start popping up online and in magazines oh trouble in paradise tori spelling was spotted without her ring and then we're like okay if that's the narrative let's you know let's just go along with it because they always ask you for comments so we're like okay if that's the narrative let's you know let's just go along with it because they always ask you for comments so we're just like no comment no comment and then it just grew into this big thing i lost my wedding ring on the golf course so now they're like oh he's not wearing his ring right and like for what it's worth i don't wear my ring either and i'm happily married to monica and you know what i i started wearing the utility rings you know the silicone rings sort of yeah they're awesome because they don't they you know you don't

catch your knuckle like the guy i think who invented it like broke his finger because it got hooked on something so um i play golf with the silicone ring i keep it on when i play hockey and it just it i it i took it off because i was having a bad round of golf and I thought, okay, it's stupid, you know, golf mindset thing. So I put it in my pocket and when I was reaching in to pull out a tee, I guess it fell out of the golf course. So anyway, so I'm spotted without my ring and now for those out, for those of you out there who don't understand this, paparazzi follow celebrities around all day. Okay okay they get these shots and they submit them to the magazines the magazines look at them and go okay we can create this story

say oh we got a we got you know julia roberts without her wedding ring oh her danny motor are going to get divorced so they create these narratives based on these pictures these paparazzis get and sources a source says indent that could be anybody because they can't give up their sources right the amazon guy there there used to be a thing that you would have to you know corroborate your story back in the day now you don't have to yeah and that's never been a thing in the tabloids anyway right yeah just as long as you don't say anything that they could get sick, right? So there you go, mom. You're still married.

You're still married. And by the way, my mom's name, Mary. Mary. Not Mary Jo. Mary. We're still married, so we can all get on with our life now. Thank God. What's your background, Mike?

You mean like... Scottish. Many, many generations Canadian, but if you go back further, Ireland, actually. Ireland? Irish. Irish. Yeah, because Mary's usually a... It's all a Jesus thing, I guess. It's a Irish Catholic thing. Mother Mary

and Joseph. Right. Shout out to the Dairy Girls on... I love that show. It's a great show. Love that show. And White Lotus. Have you watched White Lotus? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I want to see this next set. I just saw episode two of season two. And that guy, Mike White. Mike, if you're listening, you should be, yeah, you should be, you know, booking D. McDermott for your next season. Yes. Yes. That guy does a great job.

I love all the Mike White stuff. Everything he does is just gold. Yeah, he's on to something. I really, really enjoy it. He sets a mood. This one's in Italy, so just like the other one was in Hawaii, but the scenery and the music and the score, and he just sets

a mood and he starts to establish the characters and it just hooks you. I love the first season because we know we've been to the four seasons there in maui several times so it's kind of cool to and not the four seasons landscaping that was uh that was a different thing that's where uh that's right that's where giuliani gave his speech on this day i think was it yeah i think it's the anniversary in the the parking lot. Yeah. Yeah, that was very sophisticated. Four seasons landscaping. Yeah, wow. Very sophisticated.

All right, Bridget. This is a special episode. Bridget, I had an aunt. Okay, my mom's aunt was named Bridget, by the way. So Bridget, how does their relationship, she's missing a word here, but how does their relationship now as more, what's their relationship like now?

I'm changing it for Bridget. As more mature and well-rounded adults compared to the relationship years ago. Maybe we use this as an opportunity to revisit the fact that everyone listening can subscribe to X's and O's with Dean McDermott and Mary Jo Eustace right now.

And here, on my little website, torontomike.com, I have a button on the top that says TMDS podcast. I have all the links. If you're like, where is it? Like most people know to just search their podcatcher for that. And you can just search the podcatcher for the name Dean McDermott or Mary Jo Eustace, you'll find it. But if you don't like know how to do that, go to my website, torontomike.com and hit TMDS podcast. And you'll

see that great graphic, that great image for X's and O's and I have all the links like to Apple, Spotify, you know, Google, you name it. They're all there including YouTube where you can not only hear episode one but see you two beautiful people and it's quite something. Oh God, I want to see it.

If I wasn't on it, I'd want to see it and watch it and hear it. This is serious shit. This is life-changing, life-altering conversations. It is. Thank you. You're welcome. I'm going to let you field the question from Bridget,

because I feel like a lot of the questions were directed at me. Do you remember the question? I fell asleep. You were talking about your marriage. I don't know what the fuck. Apparently, you're more mature now. I've been this 10 million times. And well-rounded adults.

I was doing my taxes. Go on, sorry. Shout out to Bridget. Could you read the question again? I didn't know Aaron Spelling did start skiing hatch. That's what I learned. Everything else is wow, wow, wow, wow. Mod squad, yeah.

Okay. Just answer the question, Mary. Now that you're more mature and well-rounded adults, what's your relationship now compared to the way it was before? I guess the suggestion is that you weren't always mature and well-rounded adults. Well, Bridget, thanks for the double entendre insult. No, I think that, no, I mean, our relationship.

I think what we talk about on the podcast is when you are married and you go through a divorce and the ups and downs of marriage. And then when you enter into the divorce landscape, what that's like. And I think in one of our podcasts, we really specifically talk about we knew nothing about marriage. Who knows anything about marriage? I mean, my parents are a disaster. Four kids, three kids divorced in my family. Dean and I, we didn't know what it was, really what it was the expectation. So we really delve into that. And mature, I don't like throwing that word around.

I think that we're searchers, like we're seekers. We're curious as to finding a road back to a friendship and what that means and how it affects all areas of our life. It's a journey. So it's not about so much as becoming mature as becoming more authentic to who we are and what we meant to each other at one time and what we can mean to each other now and moving forward. So. What a great answer. That's a great answer. Yeah. It's not about, yeah, it's not about maturity. That's a great answer. Yeah. It's not about, yeah, it's not about maturity. Life is a journey.

I am not going to be mean to those people 17 years ago who went through what we did. I have compassion for those people because we went through a lot and it was a shit storm. And I look back at it and don't judge. You know, I don't judge it anymore. I look back at it and don't judge. You know, I don't judge it anymore. That's why I think if you mend fences and get rid of that hatred that you have for your ex, you open up space for empathy. Other areas in your life open up. Like, I don't know if I should tell our viewer, but I have a boyfriend.

Yes. I had sex for 10 days. Boiler alert. Great. 10 days straight. Yes, that's a perfect example. Boiler alert. That is a perfect example because that you started, aside from the guy who dressed like a hot dog and the other guy dressed like a taco, you were starting, once we started this podcast

and started our journey, you were starting to get dates. So obviously the hot dog and the taco guy didn't even make it, but this new guy. I've got a new guy. You had free space for this person in your life. Oh, I've opened up, Dean. Oh. Oh.

I have. But what I'm saying is when you do this work, you do other areas of your life. Yeah. Shift. Yeah. They do shift, which is, they shift, which is interesting. My IBS is cleared up. Thank cleared up and so is your skin dean i know i look really good today look at my skin you look really h you know what i played hockey

two days in a row i played two days two days of hockey and i think that's are they all expats like they're all canadians uh a lot of canadians saturday a lot of canadians a lot of Canadians. Saturday, a lot of Canadians. A lot of French Canadians on the team. You drink your Labatt's 50s? The Labatt's Cinquant and the Red Cap. It's great because I get to hang out with Canadians, which I love, and it just reminds me of home. Would you ever come home? I mean, Mary Jo, on the record, on her show,

said she's not moving back to Toronto with a gun to her head. Yeah, well, hey, you know, I'm totally open to moving back to Canada. And hey, you know, if I get that TV series that I'd love to get, that's going to keep me there for a while. The big places to shoot are Toronto, Calgary, or Vancouver in Canada. Right? So Calgary is my favorite place. I discovered Calgary. Calgary is fun. I wear Calgary flame colors when I play hockey

because I'm a fan of the team. If I ever had to move back permanently, I'd move to Calgary. Nothing against Toronto. I'd love to Toronto, but I'd live outside of Toronto. I wouldn't live downtown anymore. Maybe I'd live on the East Coast. Maybe I'd live on the ocean and have a cabin.

I'd love the East Coast, but, you know, work-wise. Dean and I might also do, we're working on a TV show together. So this, you could have. Is that true? We might end up in Canada. You never know. And Dean, 24-7. 24-7.

We're starting our own network. Yeah. The X's and O's network. Yeah. Uh-ohs. But you don't... X's and uh-ohs. Uh-ohs. Okay. So, you know, I'm very subtile, Mary Jo, with that. You are. Three podcasts.

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subscribe to that podcast at YesWeAreOpenPodcast.comcom awesome i have a question for you go ahead buddy when we get sponsors do we have to do that too i want to i'm excited it's on a serious tip there's two ways to do it okay okay the pre-roll this episode of x's and oh you guys record something so i've got it and And then basically, like in a moment where you're transitioning from one topic to another, I drop it in there.

So it's not a live read. It's a pre-roll. You guys have canned this where you two talk about whatever, whatever. That's the one way. Then there's my preferred way, which is the way I roll

and talk about stickeru.com or Palma Pasta or a can of Cabana or Ridley Funeral Home or Great Lakes Brewery. I prefer to do it embedded in the conversation in the episode so it's like you guys can rip on it you were so competent at your job who knew i just thought you pressed record look at you with your podcast so you've been in california too long okay oh my god ridley funeral home i'm

calling right now you You know what? You can totally do a pre-plan, I think they call it, where you can arrange everything in advance. And then it's just, yeah. Thanks, Mike. It's a long way from California. And they just come and pick you up and done. And that's actually what I find interesting

because we talk about your seven kids and my four kids and Brad Jones, who's the funeral director at Ridley Funeral Home, he has himself six children. Wow. So you're both putting me to shame there. Wow, so he's going to be burying himself soon.

He's a great guy. I actually produce his podcast, which is called Life's Undertaking, so people should check that out. And I get to co-host that one. That's cute. I like it. Oh my God, you're firing on all cylinders. Look at you. Do you guys like butter tarts? Favorite. Favorite. Yes. Big question.. Do you guys like butter tarts? Favorite, favorite, favorite.

Okay, big question. My mom made the best butter tarts. Favorite butter tarts, love them. So I tweeted this earlier and it seems to be a polarizing thing. I've tweeted it and realized. With or without raisins, that's what you're gonna have. You are so correct, Mary Jo. You're reading my mind.

I feel like we spent enough time together. We're on the same wavelength. I want, I desperately want raisins in my butter tarts. I love to chomp into a raisin in that sea of sugary cinnamon goodness. That's the only time I like raisins in a dessert. You put raisins in rice pudding?

Yeah, I like it. But Mary Jo, do you like raisins in yours? Here's another controversial thing. But first, Mary Jo, do you like raisins in your butter tarts? She's thinking, everybody. She's thinking. I likeversial. Okay. But first Mary Jo, do you like raisins in your butter tarts? She's thinking everybody. She's thinking. I like it without raisins. Okay.

That's fair. A lot of people agree with you. What are you saying there, Dean? I love raisins. I love raisins, but I'm such a butter tart fan that I like them without,

but there's a, there's been a bit of, um, controversy, movement, controversy, controversy, movement, controversy, controversy, controversy.

What do we, do we, or crispy, crispy? Yeah, I would go Chris. I don't want it to be, I'd go crispy.

No raisins. Oh, crispy. No raisins. Gooey raisins. But I like when it's almost, cause we used to get them at the cottage growing up. We used to go to the bakery and get butter tarts. My grandfather

would get them for us. And when they crystallized a little bit and they were crunchy. Caramelized or whatever. I'm so hungry. You are a culinary expert. I want a butter tart so bad. But see, I like the gooey because I'll break off the crust and dip it in the goo.

And then I'll have a good ratio of gooeyness to the rest of the the the crust guys i am uh that's amazing and i'm so glad that and then i like to wash it down with the great lakes brewery ipa and if i die right after will i go to ridley funeral home if you're lucky the reason i got into eating butter tarts is cabana. Can of cabana, man. Can of cabana. You know. Can of cabana.

It's legal here. It's legal in California too. But I know there's some states where it's still there. California smells like weed all the time. Have you noticed that? All the time. It's everywhere you go. It just smells like weed.

I've had enough. Totally. Totally. Correct. I'm very glad I met you guys. I think your dynamic is pretty misunderstood. And I think if people hear you for a little bit, like an unedited, you know, you two interacting,

they'll come from that conversation and realize that you two may have gone through some shit. Just like Andy Dufresne in Shawshank Redemption, you had to kind of get through that tunnel of shit to come out clean on the other side. And you guys have come out the other side. And yeah, I'm just saying, I tell everyone, you got to hear this.

Like it's real, it's authentic. I'm so excited to be a part of it. And I think two people connected us and I just want to shout them out because without them, I don't think I'd be talking to you right now. Helen Tanzi, who we've talked about. And Dean, that's how you got in my basement.

And Bob Ouellette. Mary Jo and I were talking about a whole different project at some point. And then suddenly this wonderful thing arose. So my producer from what's for breakfast. Well, look, we've had a blast on your show and we, you know,

and, and people tuning in, you're going to hear things you never thought you'd hear. We, the topics we cover, it's not typical. We're not talking alimony, child support, none of that. No, nothing salacious.

No, this is all about the experience of what you go through. And we're going to have incredible guests on. We've got incredible guests coming on the show, lined up. So it's going to be a wild ride. It's going to be a great ride. So please come along and join. It's from the heart. We were going to call it from the heart,

but Kevin Hart has that already. Were we? I forgot. Is Ian Ziering going to be a great ride. So please come along and join. It's from the heart. We were going to call it from the heart, but Kevin Hart has that already. Were we? I forgot. Is Ian Ziering going to come on the show? I'm not sure, but I think maybe his ex-wife might. She's a friend. Head blown, head blown, head blown. Yep.

I mean, there's so many people in L.A. You can't swing a dead cat without hitting someone who's been divorced. We've got some cool perspectives on it. Yeah, we're not going to be short on guests. And then when the show hits and becomes a success, they're going to just beat a line to our door. That's what's happening, Mike. That's the plan, Stan.

This is going to be big. Huge, huge. But we would love to do Humble and Fred. Yes, yes. We'll talk. We have to get up early. I'll do the outro and then we'll talk because I know at least three different podcasts I produce are dying to talk to you so we'll make it all happen

and you know what while we're still on the show it's been so great meeting you working with you and getting to know you you're just such a great guy I love working with you and you're a you. You're just such a great guy. I love working with you and you're a great interview and just a great fucking guy.

So I'm happy to call you friend. I thought you were going to say great fuck. I didn't know what you were going to say at the end. Well, not yet. I mean, we're so far away. Maybe next time I'm in Toronto. He's been in my basement, okay? It's true with the cannabis and the beer.

Who knows what's going to happen? But I've been in his basement, but baby steps, you know, baby steps. And what happens in this basement stays in this basement. Hold hands. Run your fingers through his hair. He's got great hair. Great hair, yes.

Enjoy yourself. Take your time. Life is too short. And that... Is a wrap. Brings us to the end of our 1145th show. Now you can follow me on Twitter. I'm at Toronto Mike,

but you two don't really tweet. So just shout out your Instagram. Instagram. Mary Jo Eustace. Instagram. Please come comment. I don't care if it's bad, good and different.

I take it all. So I would love to hear from everybody and join us on our journey. And any questions we can answer, we can do it that way too. Yeah. I'm at, I'm Dean McDermott. I am Dean McDermott on Instagram and Twitter. I got kicked off of Facebook. Fuck those guys.

I think I made fun of Don Trump Jr. about grinding his teeth, being gacked up. Then I'm not on Facebook either. So they shut me down. But anyway, you can email us at xsanduhoes at gmail.com. xsanduhoes at gmail.com. Our friends at Great Lakes Brewery are at Great Lakes Beer. Palma Pasta is at Palma Pasta.

Sticker U is at Sticker U. Moneris are at Moneris. Raymond James Canada are at Raymond James CDN. Recycle My Electronics are at EPRA underscore Canada. Ridley Funeral Home are at Ridley FH. Canna Cabana are at Canna Cabana underscore. And Sammy Cohn, Cohn is K-O-H-N. He's at Sammy Cohn on Twitter.

Ask him any questions you like. He's ready to help with your real estate questions. He's drumming up results. See you all next week. And make sure you're coming. You've never

made dying sound so good. Ridley! Get in! Why you can't? Come on down. what are you waiting for oh my god get hit by a bus today see us tomorrow you can make it happen