Toronto Mike'd: The Official Toronto Mike Podcast - Dianne Saxe: Toronto Mike'd #1150

Episode Date: November 14, 2022

In this 1150th episode of Toronto Mike'd, Mike chats with Dianne Saxe about her decision to run for public office, her nail-biting victory on election day, her priorities at city hall, her family and the future of Green Economy Heroes. Toronto Mike'd is proudly brought to you by Great Lakes Brewery, Palma Pasta, Yes, We Are Open, The Advantaged Investor, Canna Cabana, StickerYou, Ridley Funeral Home and Electronic Products Recycling Association.

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at Sammy.Cohn at ProperlyHomes.ca Joining me today, returning to Toronto Mic'd, is the City Councillor for Ward 11, Diane Sachs. Diane Sachs was my guest for episode 688 of Toronto Mic'd. That was recorded in her backyard in July 2020.

I'll read the description I wrote at the time. Mike chats with Ontario's last environmental commissioner, Diane Sachs, about her father, Morty Shulman, her career in environmental law, her years as Ontario's environmental commissioner, why that came to an end, and her excellent new podcast, Green Economy Heroes. That episode was a little over an hour.

And since then, Diane Sachs has been elected as a city councillor in my own Toronto. I jumped on a Zoom with Diane to find out why she ran, how that election night was for her nerves, and what's next for her. Congratulations, Diane, on winning the election and becoming a city councillor for Ward 11 in the city of Toronto. It's very exciting, I have to tell you. Quite exhilarating, a little daunting. But what a wonderful opportunity.

Have you managed to catch your breath yet? No. Doug Ford cut in half the time between the election and taking office, which meant that there was no time for a break. We had to come off, in my case, two back-to-back election campaigns and immediately the next day go frantically into hiring staff, setting up the office, as well as wrapping up the election campaign, picking up the signs, thanking the donors, the volunteers, the people who took signs, the endorsers, and studying up on the city's many laws and processes.

It's busy. Now I'm even more impressed you took some time to Zoom with me this morning, so I appreciate it. Well, thank you. It's wonderful to work with you. I have questions, obviously, but first, if we could just step back a little, because as the Environmental Commissioner for Ontario, you were a nonpartisan officer of the Legislative Assembly of Ontario, and you were charged with upholding the province's Environmental Bill of Rights. Nonpartisan. And earlier this year, you ran provincially as a member of the Green Party. But what made you decide to do that?

And then please tell us what made you decide to run for city councillor after losing that election to the NDP's Jessica Bell? Well, when my office was abolished because I told the truth on energy, environment and climate, I had to decide what to do next. And for the first year, basically, I just kept doing the same things as essentially an unpaid people's environmental commissioner. I kept traveling Ontario, giving talks, educating people about the climate and environmental crisis and what we can do about it, providing consulting. And I was going flat out doing all of those things, although of course, less efficiently, because now I was taking bus all over Ontario. Of course, in 2019, we still had buses that went across Ontario. But then March 2020 came. And so like everybody else, I gave my last talk on the 11th of March, and I had a full slate of bookings and got home and they all got canceled.

So I had to decide what to do next. And one of the things I did was I took a certification class. I took two certification classes, one on ESG for corporate boards and the other for something called Climate Interactive, which is, as far as I can tell, the world's best simulator on how different kinds of interventions actually affect our climate and energy and environmental future. So I became a climate ambassador for the Climate Interactive Program, which involved a 13-step training program with people from around the world. And one of the pieces that they taught us was, in essence, an algorithm for how to affect the world. And it starts with the lowest, simplest level that anyone can do is affecting your own personal action, your own personal footprint, the way you and I cycle around. Right. And that's a great place to start, a terrible place to stop. So where do you go from there? Well, the next thing is your family, your immediate friends, your immediate social circle. And I've worked on that

for many years. But then it goes up sort of multiple steps. Now, the top layer were things that I could not possibly do. Great technological innovators, great cultural leaders, singers, actors, people who inspire large numbers of people, and neither of those is ever going to be me. But the next layer down from that, the key thing was run for office. Now, I didn't like that suggestion at all. I have carefully avoided running for office for almost my entire adult life. As you know, my father was an MPP, so I got a close-up look at what that involves

when I was a teenager and a young adult, and it was a life I did not want. And it's even harder for women than it is for men. It's particularly hard for climate activists, and it's especially doubly, triply hard if you're also Jewish. So, and if you add to that being an introvert, it's just a terrible match. But I looked at that and I had to also think about an article that Adam Radwanski wrote that the decision makers in Canada are not the people who care about climate by and

large, because the people who care intensely about climate tend not to want to get their hands dirty in politics. And that's particularly true for women. Well, you know, guilty as charged. I mean, it was absolutely pinned me to the wall on that. And so I had to sit with that contradiction for a while. And I came to the conclusion that whether I wanted to or not, whether it was comfortable or not, basically it was my obligation to step up. That those who can must. I'm at this position, point in my life where I can afford to work for long periods of time without pay. I mean, to get elected here, I worked for two years without pay.

That not many people can do that. It was a great privilege to do that. And in addition, I had also the privilege and responsibility, having been commissioner, of having been entrusted with many people's trust and hope. So I naturally thought at the provincial government level, because that's where I've done most of my work for the last 45 years. And the provincial government is the one that has the most authority over issues relevant to climate change, which we can see with the Doug Ford government doing one terrible thing after another. And I picked the Green Party after a long discussion with the liberals because they're the only one serious about climate. So I did for a year and a half.

I was deputy leader of the Ontario Green Party. I was principal author of their climate plan roadmap to net zero. I had significant influence on the other two pillars of the Green Party, the housing and mental health pillars. They gave me my choice of writings. And so I did run in University of Rosedale and not to put too fine a point on it, I was screamed.

But I will say you did triple, if I read correctly, the number of votes for your party. I did, I did. But most people felt that they had to vote for a bigger party because they thought that somehow that would affect the number of seats that Ford had.

Even though mathematically that was never possible, people couldn't get past it. Right. Anyway, at the end of the provincial election campaign, I was totally done in. I promised myself and my family that I would spend the summer doing all the things that I had not done for them for the last two years, or frankly, when I was commissioner. I mean, I was just not a very available person. I was always working. And so that's what I set off to do with the summer is to enjoy the summer, do some gardening, be a good mother mother and grandmother and not to take on any new commitments until the fall so that and i started signing up for various volunteer gigs the summer of diane but then what happened well um at the end of July, when I was still busy thanking donors and so on, Mike Layton, who was the sitting counselor for the same ward that I had run in, announced that he was not running for reelection.

His chosen successor, an NDP person from the neighboring riding, obviously knew about this well ahead, but I didn't. And he announced it just as the annual family invasion occurred. So my American daughter comes, my daughter who lives in Boston, comes every summer with her children. And it's wonderful and utterly intense, and there is no spare capacity, and they were just about to arrive. So I spent a little time thinking about whether I should run municipally, decided there was no way, and beside, I just didn't have time to think about it. to think about it. But for the next few weeks, and I think there were three and a half or four weeks left until the nomination deadline, people kept contacting me to say, you really should run. Please run. You really, really should run. And I kept saying, this is not possible. I don't have the team that had run my provincial election campaign were not available to run a municipal campaign for various reasons. I had just asked everybody I knew for money.

Surely I couldn't go back and ask them again. I mean, it just seemed ridiculous. However, I got asked often enough that I finally started to think about it really seriously. And someone offered to find me a campaign manager and a team. And anyway, there was some back and forth. The morning of the deadline was August 19th. And at 730 that morning, someone finally agreed to be my volunteer, my campaign manager. And in the meantime, someone else had run around getting nomination signatures. And I talked to my kids again.

They said, you know, if you want to do it, go for it. So I did. Wow. and they said you know if you want to do it go for it so i did wow um and three weeks two and a half weeks later as we so the first thing that happened was i i got a cracked ribbon covid um and the second thing that happened was that the campaign manager who had promised to take me through the campaign quit and had to go to Poland and do humanitarian emergency work like right that minute. So it was a bit of a rough start, but I did get a new team and they worked their butts off.

And in the end, we won by 123 votes in the middle of the night. Okay, 123 votes, which I believe was the, you know, the slimmest margin of victory of all the 25 wards. All but one. Oh, there was one closer. Okay. But really, I want you just to, maybe in some detail, just

walk me through that night. I mean, you beat Norm DiPasquale by like, yeah, 100 plus points. And like, as these votes are being tabulated through the night and up until the point you were declared the winner to replace Mike Layden, a city councillor for University Rosedale. Please give me some detail. That sounds like quite the night. Well, it was extraordinary. I mean, the weeks leading up to the election are incredibly intense.

You know, I'm a lawyer. I'm used to intense preparation for things. are incredibly intense. You know, I'm a lawyer. I'm used to intense preparation for things. But when you're preparing for a trial, you have a little more control over the rhythm and the hours. I mean, the hours are really long. In an election campaign, you've got very little control. You just have to be out there every day.

Doesn't matter what the weather is. Doesn't matter how the people are reacting. Doesn't matter whether it's a holiday weekend. you just have to be out there knocking on doors interrupting people telling them oh yes there's a third election in 13 months and yes you really should vote in this one which a lot of people didn't want to do and then of course election day itself going to be out all day pulling votes encouraging people to vote. And at the end of all of that, there's this other marathon that then begins. So I was watching the results with my son and son-in-law and grandson, who is seven. And at about oh gosh i can't remember exactly the time

but about nine o'clock the cp24 declared norm the winner i saw that with eight polls still to come and my grandson who had really worked quite hard in distributing flyers and putting out door knockers and helping with signs and talking to his friends. So he looked at the TV and he looked at me and he said, did Bubby lose? Again, right? He didn't say that. But I'm thinking, oh my goodness,

how do I come up with an appropriate response to him? Like, what's the right thing to say at that moment to still give him hope that there is, that it's worth trying these very hard things, that we really might be able to do something for his future? And as I was struggling to come up with something, his father stoutly said, there are still eight polls we don't know yet, which was very good of him. That was great. So we just stayed there and watched for a while longer. And then eventually the 70th poll was reported. And suddenly I was in the lead by 130 votes.

Wow. So with seven polls, still the report. So we waited for a while and it, it, it ended up being the same for two hours. Yes. Right. We never got the results of the other seven polls. Um, and the numbers never changed. So, I mean, eventually I had to go down to where my team was. We, we had a, a group at the Victory Cafe and I got there. Everybody was cheered, but we didn't know yet what the result of the election was going to be. So it's sort of hard to have a party when you don't know what's happened. and we stayed and we stayed and we stayed and we stayed and we kept watching nothing changed so finally at 11 o'clock at night i mean i was beyond fried um i i just needed to go home and so i asked my crew what i have got two talks which one would you like me to give and they said well give us the victory one i said great so i gave the victory talk just in case um and and went home. And as it turned out,

the actual count wasn't finished until like the wee hours in the morning. Do we know why there was that? Because of course I was watching closely myself, reloading the city website, seeing the poll, and it was frozen, like you said there for a couple of hours, it was frozen.

Do we know why there was that delay well we don't know we have a theory so the the theory is the most of the polls were recorded with voting machines the voting machines provide their results almost immediately. There are four groups of votes that come in manually later. One is the nursing homes. So there's a series of nursing homes, seniors, residents, where most people don't vote.

So you get hundreds of people in a building and in some cases, only one person voted. So those votes take a long time to count. Then there are the mail-in ballots, which are all counted by hand, plus there were the two advance polls. So those all take a little longer. Our theory is that the big jump that happened when I went into the lead by the 130 was the advanced polls and the mail-in votes. And the extra seven polls that reported a 130 in the morning, but only changed the results by seven votes. Those are probably the nursing homes.

Okay. Did anyone on the campaign team or maybe yourself reference Dewey defeats Truman? Well, I thought about that. Although, to be honest, the person who had that experience more closely, there was one Catholic school board trustee who, when he went to bed, was losing by seven votes. And when he woke up in the morning, had won by one vote. Okay, because the other one I always think of, obviously, is that CNN famously reports that Al Gore has won Florida in 2000. Well, he should have, and did have.

Anyway, he did actually win Florida, but never mind. Right, that's the hanging chads. It's all coming back to me now. Okay, now, are you awake? Are you conscious when it officially becomes your victory that night? No. But then, of course, we didn't know for sure it was over even the next morning because the official count wasn't released until Thursday.

And we didn't know whether or not Norm was going to seek a recount until we heard him on CBC Metro Morning saying, well, you know, probably not worthwhile. Yeah, he conceded as Al Gore did. I wonder today whether anyone would be as quick to concede as Al Gore was back in 2000. Well, I mean, Al Gore did have the courtesy to phone and concede. Right. I've never heard from Norm.

Interesting. Interesting. Now, OK, so congratulations again. You win. That's official. What's next for you? Like, what are your priorities at City Hall? Well, I ran because of a climate crisis. Our provincial government is ignoring it. You've seen how extraordinarily warm the weather has been this fall. Last weekend, it was 23 degrees at 8 p.m. the first week of November in the dark. I mean, that's all very pleasant for us right now, but it's a sign of disastrously bad changes that are happening all around the world and

the floods and drought in Pakistan being only part of it. So no question, I'm there to accelerate climate action. The city of Toronto has some very good plans and policies, TransformTO, Vision Zero about eliminating deaths on the roads, and is doing very little about them. So the, and those things translate into action, which is really meaningful for people's lives, how we get around, as I say, the number of deaths on the road. And we also see tremendous decline in the state of cleanliness and repair of the city everywhere. One of the moments that crystallized this for me, although honestly, I do see it

everywhere, was a fire hydrant in Rosedale. Now, Rosedale is one of the richest areas of the city, and a fire hydrant is one of the most basic municipal services. It is just not rocket science to keep a fire hydrant in repair. And what I saw in Rosedale was a crumbling fire hydrant with basically all the paint flaking off, the damn thing rusting. And if a rich city in a rich country in comparatively easy times, because what's ahead is going to be much harder, we can't keep the fire hydrants working. There's a lot more like the underground pipes that are in trouble. It's interesting that your focus now is a fire hydrant in University Rosedale,

where in a previous life, your focus would be on Egypt and COP27. So I'm just curious, how dialed in are you to what's happening there as you focus on your backyard here? I'm paying attention for sure. They are all related. What's happening in Egypt is mostly not much.

There's a lot of reasons for that, but the Egyptian presidency has set this COP up to be about forcing rich countries to give poor countries billions and trillions of dollars. And I don't see that happening. Um, so, so I'm listening to what's happening at COP, but frankly, I mean, I haven't heard much of anything new yet. But I will tell you something. So on the larger question, I am very, very focused on climate, but I'm focused on climate now from a different point of view. When I was commissioner, what I was really focusing on was, first of all, the basic science, clarifying the basic science, going around to deputy ministers, senior management tables at all the ministries and the major government agencies to say, this is the science. This is what's coming. This is how it's going to affect us.

This is how it's affecting us already. These are the kinds of things you can do um most of which they haven't done so now what i'm focusing on is okay we know that we're in the emergency we can see and feel the changes already what can we do here in toronto that reduces our carbon footprint increases our ability to be resilient to the shocks that are coming and makes our lives better. So it's a practical application of the theory that I've been learning and teaching for the last seven years. But there's also links. So one of the things, as you know, you and I worked together on Green Economy Heroes for the last two years, and it's two and a half years, and it's been great. And I started the podcast looking for hope. In the face of all the incredible and accelerating bad news, I've got five grandchildren. I really care about their future. How do we find hope in the avalanche of bad news? One of the ways to find it is looking at the innovators who are running green businesses. And so one of the fun things, and so far the only really new thing I've been hearing from COP is what they call the dragonfly den. So the we don't have time people have a,

they're inviting people, businesses with climate solutions to pitch there. And so what they call the dragonfly den. And it's fun listening to different ideas from around the world as to what people think is going to be a better climate solution. Some of them I've got real serious doubts about, but it's fascinating to hear what people are working on.

Now this begs the big question here, Diane. What becomes now, what becomes of your excellent podcast, Green Economy Heroes? I checked the records. You've recorded 80 wonderful episodes, but now you're a city councillor in Toronto and it's more than a full-time job. What's going to become of Green Economy Heroes? Well, at least for now, I've got to park it. My impression of the next six months, my first six months as city councillor,

is it's going to be very much like the first term of law school. Drinking from a fire hose or more like buckets of water being dumped on you constantly for every day. I think I'm going to be going flat out to do a good job as counselor. And I just don't have the spare capacity. As you know, the podcast take a lot more time than it sounds like on the air. there's a lot of work to find the guests to prepare the guests to prepare the questions to then record the sessions with you and then you do the editing and the posting and and i also have to do some posting on the website and anyway i just don't have that time anymore i also want to avoid any suspicion of conflict of interest. I mean, I have no financial

interest in any of the guests that I've interviewed. They don't give me any kickbacks. I'm not invested in them. But there is at least a relationship and a selection process where I'm picking some companies to profile them. In many cases, they have competitors that I've not profiled. And so I think it's really important to be independent and nonpartisan and seem to be nonpartisan. That's why I resigned my post as deputy leader of the Green Party. And I think that at least for now, I shouldn't be doing the podcast. Once these first six months are under my belt,

I'd love to go back to it in some form, but it'll have to be something that works with my position as councillor. And I'll be talking again with the integrity commissioner as to how that can work. So listeners of Green Economy Heroes, rest assured the 80 episodes that are in the archive will remain available on demand. So we have those 80 episodes in it, as we just learned. We're going to pause for at least six months and then you'll noodle it maybe on a, I don't know, a canoe ride or something. You'll think about

how you could bring it back. But yeah, we will be pausing Green Economy Heroes. think about how you could bring it back. But yeah, we will be pausing green economy heroes. It's too bad because I love it. I love talking to the entrepreneurs. I've enjoyed the prospect of prospecting for them, finding who's doing great things. And there are quite a number of people I've talked to who are just at the startup stage and I promised to cover them once they went commercial. And so I'd love to do that. And another thing I really would like to do is to go back and do some follow-ups. I'd like to know what happened to the people we talked to two and a half years ago

and what progress have they made? Where do they see going forward? So these are all things I want to do, but I suspect that whenever I have time, those questions will still be valid and there'll still be people doing great things and lots of good questions to ask them. So I'm not disappearing. I'm just doing something else for a while. Now, before we say goodbye this Monday morning, you've mentioned your family

a few times during this conversation. I have a few questions about your family. But firstly, there's this great singer songwriter named J.P. Sachs, and he had a massive hit with If the World Was Ending. Are you at all related to J.P. Sachs? He's my nephew. Yes. It's amazing having a rock star in the family. He's really something astonishing. And even my youngest grandchildren love the JP songs. How to let you go and let communication die out I know, you know, we know You weren't down for forever and it's fine I know, you know, we know We weren't there for each other and it's fine

But if the world was ending you'd come over, right? You'd come over and you'd stay the night Would you love me for the hell of it? All our fears would be irrelevant If the world was ending, you'd come over, right? The sky'd be falling and I'd hold you tight And there wouldn't be a reason why We would even have to say goodbye

If the world was ending, you'd come over, right? Right Even have to say goodbye If the world was ending you'd come over right Right If the world was ending you'd come over right Right I tried to imagine your reaction It didn't scare me when the earthquake happened But it really got me thinking The night we went drinking This very pretty song is J.P. Sacks with Julia Michaels. Amazing. Wow.

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you said five grandchildren? Did I count count correctly i have five grandsons okay five wow five grandsons okay that's a that's a starting lineup for a basketball team ready to go there so okay now maybe they need to be able to walk first oh yeah baby steps uh literally okay so your daughter rebecca re Sachs, is a professor of cognitive neuroscience and associate dean of science at MIT. And not to be outdone, but your daughter, Dr. Shoshana Sachs, is an associate professor in the University of Toronto's Department of Civil and Mineral Engineering and Canada Research Chair in Sustainable Infrastructure. More than a mouthful, but you must be one proud mother. I absolutely am. And my son as well, who's doing great work at Scotiabank. So, I mean, it is an incredible blessing to have three healthy, successful children.

And not only that, they like each other. They like each other's spouses and children. They like spending other. They like each other's spouses and children. They like spending time together. It's an incredible blessing to have a family that enjoys each other so much. And are your three children proud of their mom? for that very brief interval when I wasn't running for anything, I was in fact available for babysitting, which they have busy lives and really could use. And here I am launching into something else again. Well, I know well the value of that. Absolutely.

Now, okay, one more question. You mentioned your father, Morty Shulman. Yes. And he was elected to office twice. I guess he served two terms as MPP for High Park. If your father were here today, what do you think he'd have to say about your victory? Well, I think he'd laugh.

I think he'd be proud of me. I think he would worry for me. I think he'd be proud of me. I think he would worry for me. I think he would worry about the abuse that comes to the, and hostility and aggression that comes to people in public office now. We've been warned by the security team at the city hall of some precautions we have to start taking and, you know, panic buttons and changing our routines so that

we're not predictable about where we go and when we go and trying to hide my, you know, personal information and so on. So he'd be worried for me from that point of view. But oh, I wish I could talk to him about strategy, both to him and to my late husband. They both would have given me really good, useful advice, and I miss them terribly. Thank you again for this, Diane, and congratulations once more. Now get back to work. Okay, I'm going, I'm going. And just for anyone interested, my new website will be dianesax.ca.

We're going to have a newsletter, and we will be looking for citizen volunteers to speak up and show up when climate related issues come to city council, come to committees. So if you have if you care about the future, you've got to do something about it. Get involved and we'll be helping. brings us to an end to our 1150th episode. I'm Toronto Mike. You can follow me on Twitter, at Toronto Mike.

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For me and you But I'm a much better man for having known you Oh, you know that's true because Everything is coming up Rosy and green Yeah, the wind is cold But the smell of snow Wants me today And your smile is fine Yeah, the wind is cold But the smell of snow Won't stay today

And your smile is fine And it's just like mine And it won't go away Cause everything is rosy and gray Well, I've been told That there's a sucker born every day But I wonder who Yeah, I wonder who

Maybe the one who doesn't realize There's a thousand shades of gray Cause I know that's true, yes I do I know it's true, yeah I know it's true, yeah I know it's true How about you? I'm picking up trash and then putting down roads And they're brokering stocks, the class struggle explodes

And I'll play this guitar just the best that I can Maybe I'm not and maybe I am And I'll play this guitar just the best that I can. Maybe I'm not and maybe I am. But who gives a damn? Because everything is coming up rosy and gray. Yeah, the wind is cold, but the smell of snow warms me today. And your smile is fine and it's just like mine. It won't go away.

Cause everything is rosy and gray. Well, I've kissed you in France and I've kissed you in Spain. And I've kissed you in places I better not name And I've seen the sun go down on Sacré-Cœur But I like it much better going down on you Yeah, you know that's true Because everything is coming up rosy and green Yeah, the wind is cold But the smell of snow

Warms us today And your smile is fine And it's just like mine And it won't go away Cause everything is rosy now Everything is rosy Yeah, everything is rosy and everything is rosy and gray.