Toronto Mike'd: The Official Toronto Mike Podcast - Elvis: Toronto Mike'd #231

Episode Date: April 14, 2017

Mike catches up with Elvis.

Welcome to episode 231 of Toronto Mic'd, a weekly podcast about anything and everything. Proudly brought to you by Great Lakes Brewery, a local independent brewery producing fresh craft beer. And propertyinthesix.com, Toronto real estate done right. I'm Mike from torontomike.com and joining me is a guy I call Elvis. You say brewery funny. Say it for me. Brewery. That's how you say it.

Well, how are you supposed to say it? Brewery. Brewery. It's like Toronto. Don't say the second T. But you're supposed to say the second T. You say Toronto. I speak the Queen's English.

Do you say Toronto? Oh, I just thought you have a TFC hat on and a tragically hip shirt. I do. I decided to come all out for you today. Tomorrow, all the teams play tomorrow. I have a problem. I only have five beers in my fucking six pack of Great Lakes Brewery. Well, because the pint glass takes up the sixth slot.

Oh, this is bullshit. Is it Brian Gerstein or Gerstein? Oh, I've been saying Gerstein. You know, I think you're right. I worked with a guy who I asked and he was Jewish and he said it's Steen. I can't remember the distinction, but one is

Steen in the US and Stein in Canada or the opposite. It's apparently a country thing. Because you're right. It's Albert Einstein. It's not Albert Einstein. Yeah, but he's a famous guy, so I'm assuming he got to say how you say his name. It's Mark Shapiro, not Shapiro.

Yeah. That might be him, though, I think. We'll get to that. Fuck. Fuck. I came here for six. You know what? I'm going to get you your six. Because when guests leave, they carry the six pack.

Right. I've been noticing. If you have a glass in one hand and a six pack in the other. I've noticed that they've been putting it in the photos now, too. Like, you're getting the product placement in your photos. Great Lakes Brewery. From Brewery. Great Lakes Brewery is getting their money's worth.

That's for sure. And Brian Gerstein, too. Propertyinthesix.com. That's where Drake goes when he's buying property. He has branded himself. I guess he can't do business outside of Toronto, can he? He doesn't want to. I guess not.

You wouldn't need to. I guess not. You can get very wealthy doing that. Well, thank you, Brian, for the glass. So that pint glass is going home to North Oshawa. Correct. Yep. And I will drink some Great Lakes Brewery beer tonight.

See, I like it when you're on. We get the sponsor mentions done right off the top. I love this shit, man. I love coming here. I wish I could come here more often, but the GLB is good. Oh, fucking A. So you haven't been here in a while

because it wasn't Christmas yet. We're only doing high holidays. I was here for Festivus. Right. And now it's Good Friday. Jesus died today. At 3 p.m. Was it 3 p.m.?

Do we know that? We both went to Catholic school. Was that Eastern time? You went to Catholic school, right? I did. I did. All the way through high school. I remember something about 3 p.m.

How do we know that? 3 p.m.? They didn't even have the same time as we did, did they? There was no 24-hour clock then, was there? And because our years started with the birth of Jesus Christ our Savior, they didn't know he was Jesus Christ our Savior at the time. Have you seen the new

Louis C.K. special on Netflix? I have, yes. He does his whole bit on the calendar and time. Oh, yeah, yeah. How You Know the Christians 1. Yeah, yeah, it's great. Correct. And it is fucking brilliant. You're right.

And then it all boils down to... What year is it? Right. And he boils down to... And everything before that, you count backwards. That's right. He's like,

I'm 28 years old, but it's the year minus three. Did you notice he wore a suit in that special? He did. He did. And my friend had saw him in Montreal before the special where he was obviously using the same material.

And she said that he also wore a suit in Montreal. And a lot of the material was the same, obviously. But I did like how at the very end of that bit, not to ruin it for everybody, he said, yeah, and the Jews are just sort of like, yeah, it's fine. It's the year 5000. It's okay. It's good. Oh, Jews had their own. They have their own calendar.

But they had. Because they're still waiting. But they had their own high holiday this week. Passover. Yes, yes. Yeah. And in fact, Brian. Did you have a center dinner?

Brian invited me to a hockey pool draft. And they were drafting Wednesday night, which actually there's games Wednesday night, so I drafted Tuesday. We'll get to that in a minute. I got questions for you. But I said, you know, how come you're drafting the day of the games? Somebody on the smart? It's Passover, man.

He told me, yes, Passover. Yeah. You can't. You can't. No. Lots of rules. Well, I mean, you could. Is it me, or is there a lot of rules going on in these religions?

He chooses not to. Yeah, well, I mean, hey, you gotta, if you're still waiting, it's one thing if the guy's already come and gone. Like, there's only so many bad things that can happen to you.

Speaking of the guy. Because he's already died for your sins. But if you're still waiting for him to come, you should probably be on your best behavior. Please remind me

at some point during this episode, I have loaded up my favorite Jesus songs. Oh, good. And we're gonna talk about our favorite Jesus songs.

Hockey pool. So, I hosted my annual hockey pool on Tuesday night. Who got Austin Matthews? I can't remember, but not me. I didn't. I avoided all the... Who is your top player that you drafted? Oh, you're going to laugh.

Panarin? Is that how you say it from Chicago? I drafted 11th in all the... You don't even know who the guy is. I do. Because Chicago got shut out last night. Yes, they did. I had a rough start to the pool.

They did. So here's my question. Where were you? Because every year I invite you, usually you'll accept. And then on the morning of the draft, you'll send me a text and say, Sorry, bud, I can't make it. This is like your tradition. But this year, okay?

This year you said you RSsvp'd you were coming did i come last year or the year before that was the last time i don't know i think i might have been last year but like okay so now it's you know we're drafting at 6 p.m so i i do feel bad because mike called me uh i didn't realize he called me until uh um later i don't know if it was that day or in the morning that I realized. But I had stupidly assumed, not stupidly that you're stupid, stupid that I'm stupid for not being a good friend and actually telling you that I wasn't going to join.

It's really rude because I will hold up the draft and then I phone you, no answer. Right. How many times? Did you call me multiple times? I think just once. Right. Still. Yeah, I thought you'd answer. Right. How many times? Did you call me multiple times? I think just once. Right. Still. I thought you'd see on your screen, missed call.

So I was in a like a, it sounds more important than it really was, but I was in a board meeting. I've joined the board of a startup and we were having a strategy session. So it was a legit business meeting. You have some value to add to this. I'm just trying to imagine. You have like some, uh, you just, there is like the, the, the, what

do you call it? The inspirational coach. Like you can do it. Is that your role? No, no. Uh, so yeah, it was a, it was a legit thing, but, uh, I should, I just assumed that you knew that I wasn't going to be there, but that was, that's rude's rude. And I apologize to you, both privately, and I apologize to you and all of the listeners now as well. Because really, it's funny when I'm part of a pool because I never am going to win. And so it would just add fodder for you to be able to make fun of me.

I want to thank Palma Pasta. If you're a West Toronto guy or a Mississauga guy. I would have enjoyed hanging out with Anthony. And I know you're a vegan. Vegan or vegetarian? I'm a vegan. I try to be. So you would have been shit out of luck because we had loads of meat lasagna.

I imagine it was delicious. And chicken parmesan. Is that parmesan? Am I doing that right? Why do you have to do your hand thing? Because I'm Italian. All right. Okay.

Sure. They can't see this, Elvis. Don't give me up. So anyway, I got to say, they're not sponsors. I owe nothing to Il Duce and his company, Palma Pasta. This was the best chicken parmesan I've ever had. And he also cooked for your wedding. Yeah.

Correct? That's right. Were you vegan back then? No, I was not. Because he brought some asparagus for you. I don't get it. There was some salad on the menu. Hey, the vegan thing.

He's good people. Is your family, like, is Mrs. Elvis vegan? No, she's not. She'll eat vegetarian when it makes sense, but no. You could have brought home your chicken parmesan. I could have, yes. I could have brought home for the family. So, Palma Pasta, honestly, like, they have locations in Mississauga and Oakville.

So, if you're in, like, if you're listening in Oshawa right now, this won't help you. But in the West Toronto or your Mississauga, whatever, that's called Halton Region. Can I call it that? Is that what they call it? No, Peel Region. Peel Region, not Halton Region. Get your ass to a palm of possum. This stuff's amazing.

Oakville is Halton, I believe. But Peel, Mississauga would be Peel. Let's run down the shows since your last visit so I can find out. I want to know two things. One, have you listened? And two, will you listen? Okay, we're going to do this real quick because there's a lot. You haven't been here in a long time.

It's like three months. Long time. This is a fucking great soundtrack, dude. You know what? I thought Elvis is going to be here. I should play some Elvis. You ready? And I only do the old Elvis. I can't do the In the Ghetto stuff or whatever even though I'm different Elvis. James Myrtle and Sean Fitzgerald

from The Athletic. I like The Athletic, but I won't listen, and I didn't download it. So you're not going to listen? I'm not going to listen to it, no. Okay. And are you a paying member of The Athletic? I'm not. I thought about it, but I just don't have the time to be able to justify consuming it on a regular basis to pay for it. But I would.

Because your friend, is he a friend? David Alter? Yeah, yeah. David Alter is a part of that. He is. He is. And I support him. I think he's great. You can do it, David. I hope it's a home for him for a long time. And I want to support local journalism because I think it's important, but I just don't have the time. Are you a Toronto Mike Patreon? That's part of the reason why I haven't listened to a lot of these episodes.

I'm behind on Howard Stern. I'm behind on everything. It's been good company. Okay, let's get to go faster than this. Jesse and Gene. Jesse and Gene. Hey, how are you? You're really into this, but no, I won't listen to it.

I'm not as nostalgic as you are. I'm not that. Okay, I know. You're not a nostalgist like I am, but we need more nostalgists. Okay, Jesse and Gene, you're not listening to it. We need more nostalgists. I'm doing my part. I say tear down old villains.

Rod, depends how old. Rod Smith. No. I like the guy, but no. Is that because you hate the CFL for taking BMO Field from you? No, I'm just not interested in Rod Smith. I'm sure he's a nice guy, but... Later we're going to do Toronto Sports.

Remind me, I have a question. Let me do it quick. Has there ever been a day where all four teams, Toronto's teams, played games that mattered on the same day? Because tomorrow all four play. I don't remember ever all four of them playing. The only team not playing tomorrow is the Argonauts. But that's because they're out of season, so you can't

blame them for that. And it's very rare that there's a moment in the seasons where four of them actually overlap. They all play tomorrow. Tomorrow's going to be a great day. Can't wait. Yeah. I mean, it starts with the Blue Jays at one, and then you got your Raptors at five or something, and then seven o'clock is the

Leafs, and then eight o'clock is TFC. Josh Holliday. You're not listening to Josh Holliday. Bob Callahan. Did you ask him what his real name was? No, Josh Holliday. Is that not his real name? That is his real name.

It is his real name. He says it is. Bob Callahan, that's not his real name. Bob Callahan, who's a cop now, Bob something else. I won't tell you. But are you going to listen to Bob Callahan? No.

Callahan, man. Okay. No. Kevin Shea, who's a Maple Leafs hockey historian guy. He was a great convo about Bill Borilko. Are you going to listen to that one? Oh, really? Okay.

He works with the Hall of Fame and stuff, and he talks about the 100 years of Maple Leaf history. Okay. I will then. You should listen to Kevin Shea. Is he the guy who walks around with a cup? No, he's not that guy. But this guy, before he was a hockey guy,

he was a music label account guy or whatever. He used to be in charge of Motley Crue and Weird Al. So when Weird Al came to town, instead of the guy who walks around with a cup all the time, this is the guy who walks around with Weird Al all the time. He's got good stories there. Weird Al is pretty... I like Weird Al. So when Weird Al came to town, he was like, instead of the guy who walks around the cup all the time, this is the guy who walks around a Weird Al all the time. He's got good stories there.

Weird Al is pretty, I like Weird Al, but apparently he's really boring. Like, like not, he's not a boring person. He just like, he's a regular guy who doesn't do anything.

Like he's not, he's not a crazy guy or anything. I have a lot of time for him. Yeah. So do I. I like Weird Al. Yeah. I'm glad he's boring.

Okay. Maureen Holloway. Yeah. I like her. Oh, so do I. I like Weird Al, but... Yeah, I'm glad he's boring. Okay, Maureen Holloway. Yeah. I like her. Oh, okay. I like her. Did you talk about her breast cancer? Yeah. At all? Okay. Whenever I got a guest on and they got a C on their chest, I always talk about it.

By the way, poor Mike Richards, he's got this bag, right? Because he's... There was some issue after a surgery for cancer where he, I guess, I don't know how to say this nicely, but he shits or pisses in a bag or something. It blocked up. He was supposed to launch his raw Mike Richards. Oh, yeah, that's right.

Although I should wait till the Rick Richards. Okay. So, anyway, we'll talk about that in a minute. Maureen Holloway. Okay, Craig Lobster Boy Venn. Yes, I would. I remember him from... Finally. I remember him from Q107. It's on my phone. And he was on that Derringer show on The Fan 590. That's right. Lobster Boy.

Yeah. Okay. You know what? Did you ask him why he was Lobster Boy? Of course. I think I remember. Because he came in one... If I don't ask that question, I'm not doing my service to the people.

And do I remember correctly, he came in one morning after a long weekend, and he was bright red from Bane Sunbird? Yes. Right. I remember that show. Mike Richards. Now we can talk about it. So he was going to launch his raw Mike Richards enterprise.

That's right. The day of the playoffs, which was the 12th. So that was Wednesday. But he was in the hospital with this clogging or whatever that's called. Blockage or clogging. So he has not yet launched raw Mike Richards due to health issues. That sucks. Shitty.

Yeah, that is shitty. No pun intended. Yeah, no pun intended. All right. Greg Brady. Yes. I like Greg. Funitty. Yeah, that is shitty. No pun intended. Yeah, no pun intended. All right, Greg Brady. Yes. I like Greg. Fun fact. Okay, fun fact.

The first time Greg Brady was here. I was here. You were here. You've only been in on like two? Two, three, something like that. Alter and Brady. Yeah, that's right. Alter and Brady.

And he came back and he said it was much better when you weren't here. I'm sure he did. All right. We had a nice, when he got the job back on the morning show, we had a nice when he got when he got the job back on the morning show we had a nice correspondence

I'm glad to hear that this is a kinder he's always been a decent guy to me I'm rooting for him I think he's he has some humility now

sometimes when you're let go and then you get your comeback you come back as a kinder gentler guy people are fucking

there's a lot of venom out there for him though though, on your blog. Well, there's venom for everybody now on the Internet. So have you noticed that? Holy shit. I know, but like there's not I don't find there to be a lot of venom on your site particularly. I mean, there are certain few that seem to just hate everything. But it seems like there's a lot of venom for this guy.

And I'm like, I don't understand it. I mean, I don't get it at all. I don't see their point of view at all. Have you listened to his morning show with Elliot Price and Hugh Burrell? I'm not a huge fan of his co-host, just the voice and everything. But I mean, it's fine. It's refreshing to hear. I don't hear it a lot because I'm generally not listening to the radio in the morning because of my commute. But it's refreshing to hear guys in the morning or anyone in the morning. It'd be nice to have a woman, but guys in the morning.

I got some flack. I should point that out. So I wrote an entry, and I wasn't even, I didn't use the R word, and I wasn't even sure whether this, I want to hear your thoughts on this. I saw that picture of the fan 590 hosts at the table and they were all like white guys yes white men so i just asked if you know is this is this

okay like that you know we're in the most diverse you know city and half i'm assuming half the city is actually not male and let alone white and all the fan 590 hosts are white men like does that matter and you said it it does matter absolutely it does so tell us because this is like your area let alone white, and all the fan 590 hosts are white men. Like, does that matter? And you said it does matter. Absolutely, it does matter. So tell us, because this is like your area of X. Finally. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Episode 231. Yeah, exactly. It absolutely does matter because a company is better when you have diverse thought amongst the people that work for you. And when you look across that table, the majority of those individuals have very similar backgrounds and come from a place of privilege in our country. Not their fault, but it's very clear that they have a very similar type of way of thinking because of where they are from.

And so we would do well, we would do better both as a company, as a country, and as a listenership if we had diverse opinions. And it's not just diverse opinions because you like one team or you like one particular type of offense or another, but there is such a huge opportunity that Rodgers would have to be able to bring in somebody who has come from a different place and comes from a different upbringing. And to suggest that those are just who's available is ridiculous. And to suggest that there are no other sort of communities within this country that could produce someone who could be in the media and speak eloquently about sport is also ridiculous. And I would point directly to, and

someone did this on your blog as well, to the fact that CBC has been producing foreign language broadcasts of hockey for the last, what, five, 10 years? Yeah, Punjabi. It is, you know, there is no reason why we can't have somebody, at least one person on the broadcast at some point in time during the day who comes from a different community. And it just makes the company better. It really does. You alluded to it, but one of the big arguments they always have is, well, the people graduating from whatever, colleges,

that want to pursue radio, sports radio, are primarily white men. So this is a reflection of that. I'm assuming you're not saying you should hire a woman because they're a woman. No, you should hire the best candidate possible. But here's what we're doing at my company. We have eliminated the absolute must requirement that you have a university degree to do the job that I would need you to do. Well, that's good for you. And the reason why that is, correct, yeah, I barely squeaked by on getting a degree.

But the reason why that is, is because typically, and this is an unconscious bias that we all have, and it's not a bad thing, but we typically hire people that we relate to and we know and we understand and we're comfortable with. So yeah, I'm going to hire somebody generally who comes from one of the universities that I'm really familiar with, if not Western itself. And I look around at the people that I knew in school and they were pretty much all white guys. And they're all Italian. In high school, all Italian and university, all white guys. But if you make the conscious decision to say, you know what, we are going to purposely not hire from these particular lists of universities that we normally hire from, and we're going to venture outside of that, then you start to bring in people onto your payroll that are from different

communities. And again, it's not about quotas. It's not about hiring somebody because they look different than you. It's about the thinking. The thought process is different. There's data to show that companies are more successful when they have diverse thought that comes into their decision-making process. What would you say to somebody like Freddie P who would say that there's a war against the white man? The white man is now under attack because somehow he sees it now as like, oh, that's the worst thing you could be right now is a white man because they want anyone but. I wouldn't dignify it with a comment. I think he's not. He doesn't listen to this podcast. He's he's he's I feel bad for him. All right.

So good. I'm glad we got an expert opinion on that. I promised I'd do that. But OK, Kevin Frankish. You know what? I'm going to recommend Kevin Frankish because I think you'll see it's a different interview. Actually, you know what? You're right.

My gut was to say no, but we had talked about that one and you said that it would be a good one. Honestly, I think you'll like it because he was refreshingly honest and open. You know what? I do have that one on my phone. Good. Finally. I have Craig Van on my phone, too. Okay, good.

That's two. And you're going to get Maureen Holloway. Correct. Okay. Bubba O'Neal. No're going to get Maureen Holloway. Correct. Okay. Bubba O'Neal. No, who is that? Well, you might not know. Yeah, because he's a Hamilton guy.

I don't know who that is. He's on CHCH. Oh, chit-chat. He's more known, those in the Burlington, Hamilton, whatever that area is called. He's a TV guy, then. TV guy. Gotcha. Was he a sportscaster?

Yeah, he was a sports guy. Now they have him doing some weather. Oh, look at that. We talked about that. It's a mess what they did to the CHCH people there. He was in the bucket of, we're going to keep you for less money. He was in that bucket. Gotcha. Whereas Hebsey, friend of the show, he was in the other bucket, which is just get out of here.

Right. But didn't he go to the wrong meeting or something? Yeah. Yeah. Bubba tells that again. Oh, does he? Okay, good. All right.

Here's a name for you. Barry Davis. No. And his Tom Petty band. Good for him. Bubba tells that again. Oh, does he? Okay, good. Here's a name for you. Barry Davis. No. And his Tom Petty band. Good for him. I mean, he's obviously a successful guy. He started a podcast since he was on. Oh, really? Oh, cool. Okay, well, there's been a couple of 1236

episodes, but do you listen to the Mark Weisblot 1236? I don't, but I subscribe to his newsletter and I read it every day. He does a good job. Yeah. And no jealousy. You don't think he's the new Elvis? No, but it seems as though people on the site

are making that comment. Well, Rob J. for sure likes to poke at that one. He does. No, no, no. It's fine. I like his stuff. You know what? There's two emails that I look forward to every single weekday and it's the skim and 1236. Great. He'll be happy to hear that. 1236.ca, I believe, where you can register.

Carly Agro. No. Nope. Nope. Sorry, Carly. Poor Carly, whose sister was in the news that week because of the subway chicken DNA controversy with the CBC. Did you follow that at all? Yeah, it's so stupid. Faisal Kamisa. No, I don't know who that is.? Yeah, it's so stupid. All right. Faisal Khamisa.

No, I don't know who that is. Well, you'll be happy to know. It's not a white guy. It doesn't sound like it. I don't know who that is. And he's Muslim. I think... I actually was...

Is anyone... Look at you. I think he might be my first Muslim guy. Look at you. Yeah. I'm all about diversity, man. Except for these following guests

I'm going to name. Bob McKenzie. Yeah, it's on my phone. Okay, good. He's a big name. Do you think... Here's my question. Do you think that might be the biggest name I've had on the show? That on my phone. Okay, good. He's a big name. Do you think, here's my question. Do you think that might be the biggest name?

That might be the biggest name. Yes. So Ron McClain and Strombo, this is, and Bob McKenzie, who's the biggest name in this country? I'm going to say Strombo. Cause Strombo just, did you see that Strombo just signed a deal with Apple Music? House of Strombo. Yeah, pretty cool. It's pretty cool shit.

He does some cool shit there. Yep. pretty cool. It's pretty cool. He does some cool shit there. Yep. Uh, I would probably say Ron McLean, then Strombo,

then, uh, Bob McKenzie, but mom McKenzie is pretty niche. I would say, whereas the first two are not like, I don't think my mom would know who Bob McKenzie is, but I,

you're right. If you're not a hockey guy, you don't know Bob McKenzie. She would probably, she definitely would know Ron McLean. Right. And I would give her 50, 50 on Strombo.

You're right. Cause those two go in other places. Like Ron does Olympics and things like that. Correct. You're right.an, and I would give her 50-50 on Stromboli. You're right, because those two go in other places. Like, Ron does Olympics and things like that. Correct. You're right. And if you didn't give a shit about hockey, you would never know Bob McKenzie. Correct. Speaking of the Olympics, look at the segway.

Brian Williams. Yeah, I mean, that would probably be your third guy, right? Because he would be very well-known. He's very well-known. Yeah. I mean, all these people are nice. Bob McKenzie is nice. Those are huge guests, man.

Those are huge. You think this has come a long way since the early days? Yeah, that is a fucking huge guest. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, big time. I was very pleased to have Bob McKenzie and Brian Williams back-to-back. And I thought that was amazing because I love both those guys. Great conversations.

And then, yeah. Was it easy to get those guys in? Or was this like a long process for these guys? Or did it happen pretty quick? I think they both happened in a three-month span. And did they reach out to you or did you reach out to them? I reached out to both of them.

Actually, the story is kind of funny. I was talking to Jennifer Hedger of all people. Yeah, yeah. And she couldn't figure out, and I don't put this on her because she's got young kids and she's in the east end of the city and of course we're in the southwest here.

And she couldn't figure out how she would ever find time away from her kids and not working where she could make the visit so after going back and forth for a long time she basically bowed out nicely and said basically like i'm out i just can't do it gotcha okay and i said i totally get it did you tell her i brought my kids here before no i should have i offered that to stacy matician who plays caitlin ryan on uh degrassi i because she had the same issue. Like, how do I get my kids? And I said, just bring them.

Because Jarvis is up watching Trolls right now. That's right. All right. So after this, I had this moment of like, I felt like, okay, Jennifer Hedger won't come on. Darren Dutition wouldn't reply to my email. Oh, really? He won't reply to my email. I said that several times.

Because now you know the TSN naming convention. Yeah. Any Bell Media is easy. It's the Rogers guys that are tough. Oh, really? So you can email anybody at naming convention. Yeah, any Bell Media is easy. It's the Rogers guys that are tough. Oh, really? So you can email anybody at TSN.

Yeah, pretty much. And I was sitting in front of the TV watching a game, a hockey game or something, and I just got the Jennifer Hedger, like, I'm out.

Detition won't reply to the email. I'm like, fuck it, I'm going bigger. Like, I'm going to go, who are the biggest TSN personalities I haven't had?

Because I've had James Duffy, I've had some other ones. I'm like, the two biggest guys I could think of off the top of my head were Bob McKenzie and Brian Williams. So I wrote them each an email, you know, different email. And they both got back to me right away. And Brian phoned me to say, you know, my wife's a teacher, so I got to do the March break with her. But I will call you on this day at this time. And he phones me at this day and

this time to arrange his day to come in. And then he says, I'm going to call you on this day at this time. And he phones me at this day and this time to arrange his date to come in. And then he says, I'm going to call you the day before to make sure we're still okay. And he says, I'm going to call you at 2 p.m. this day. The phone rings. It's Brian Williams. Ah, it's my Brian Williams. And then Brian, I'm not like Don Landry.

Did you hear? Oh, you haven't heard yet. The Brian Williams episode opens with a great piece of original content from Don Landry. You got to hear it. Okay. Don Landry as Brian Williams. And a little Don Cherry, too.

So, long story short, is Brian Williams so, like, responsive. And Bob McKenzie was great, too. But, yeah. Did you talk about Grapevine? Of course. I want you to listen to that and tell me if I missed anything. So, who's the other guy? There's another big guy from TSN.

He's a hockey insider. He's always there with Bob McKenzie. Darren Dreger? Yeah, Darren Dreger. Yeah yeah so i i put darren drager below those two guys but i'll go after him next yeah i think he's he's like when you think of the two big guys at tsn i wouldn't have put brian williams there because i didn't i don't i'm an olympics guy i know but i don't associate him with tsn he's bigger than both of them i agree but i i wouldn't have i would have thought bob mckenzie and darren drager i hear you because i've done James Duthie, so he's been crossed off the list. Okay, so I'm going to go after Drager next. Okay, so then the next guest.

And you've got to get those two bozos that are back from Fox. Yeah, they are coming, though. But they said they are. Are they going to come together? They're going to come together in the fall. Of course they are. I keep hearing from Jay. I don't know if it...

Right. I never heard from Dan. Jay on right and... Dan O'Toole. Dan O'Toole, that's right. So they will come on in the fall. Cool. Chris Murphy from Sloan.

Dude, I can't wait to listen to this one. I love Sloan. He sat right there. I had as much time as I wanted with the guy. I love Sloan so much. I will confess to your listeners, I told Mike this, that when you think about Canadian bands,

they are in my top three of all time. Of all time. And I don't include Neil Young because Neil Young is... So no Neil Young, no Joni Mitchell. I appreciate Joni Mitchell. I'm not really into her. To me, Neil Young is in a completely different stratosphere. Plus, he's also a solo artist for the most part.

I know he did a bunch of stuff with those other... Crosby, Stills, and Nash. did a bunch of stuff with uh those other crosby stills and ash um but i i would put you know sort of the hip and then rush and then sloan as sort of my well i ask him all the questions and i um you know i can love them i focus on his songs because he really wanted the reason he we tried to focus on his songs is because he's touring with uh boberg Dorothy from Odds, and Stephen Page from formerly of B&L. Because they each bring four of their own songs that they wrote to this concert, and then they do that.

So I focus on Underwhelmed and Coax Me and all the... Fucking great shit, man. I saw them live back in university. Luckily, the radio station sponsored the show, and so I got a bunch of free tickets and swag and all that kind of stuff, and they were just... I'm with you, man.

They're a magical band. I love that band, too. I love them so much. I've seen them several times, and I think they're great. Yeah. And the final one was yesterday. I had Bill Hayes over here. I saw the photo.

I like Bill a lot. I don't know if I'd listen to it. Do you know who his brother is? I do know who his brother is. Some don't, because I got tweets when I wrote, like, he talks about his brother, Don Derringer. I got tweets back, like, I had no idea they were going to do it. Really? Because not everyone knows Derringer is a haze. I know, but I

thought that that was pretty well known in the city. Only by nerds like us. Because he even had them on, they were on the same show for a while. Yeah, yeah, Derringer in the morning. Yeah. I know, but if you weren't listening to that specific I know a lot of people missed this. How awkward. I can't remember.

Did you guys talk about it? I can't remember why he left. Did he get canned from the show, or did he just need to go to something else? Okay, so he's co-hosting the Bill Waters show on 640, because that's the same show. Yes. He gets fired. The only time in his career he was fired from radio. Really?

And he's replaced by his son. Oh, yes. That's right. Which is, like, to me, like, and I try to kind of go there with him, and you'll hear it, but That's fucked up. Yeah, so he was fired from Chorus. He's very proud of his son. Well, of course, yeah. He talks to his son. It sounds like they're very close, and he listens to his

son all the time, and he loves his son. There you go. Cool. Is he still in the business? Does he still He's doing, like, he's teaching at Seneca, I think he teaches, and then he's doing, he does a lot of voiceover work. Right, yeah, because he's got a great voice. He told me off the record, and I'm going to tell you now, because it's off the record, but he then he does a lot of voiceover work. Right, yeah, because he's got a great voice. He told me off the record, and I'm going to tell you now because it's off the record, but he just said he makes more money voiceover than radio.

That's where the cash is. Yeah, because it's in and out, man. I mean, in a lot of places, you don't even have to go anywhere now. You can do it from home. Oh, yeah, he's got like an ISDN line. Yeah, it's good money. Hey, so there you go. That's the end of the episode, and we just covered all those episodes.

It's a pretty fucking impressive lineup. Thank you, man. Good job. That's the end of the episode. And we just covered all those episodes. It was a pretty fucking impressive lineup. Thank you, man. Good job. I appreciate hearing that. You should be very proud of what you've been able to accomplish. And did you see the Toronto Star article that I was mentioned in? Did you see me link to that on Facebook or Twitter or something? Did I?

Did you? I don't know. Did you read it? There's a Toronto Star article about sports podcasts in which I'm heavily featured. Oh, are you? Yeah. Who wrote it? Raju Madhur.

Are you going to bring him in? I should. You should. Just to tell me. He had a quote about my podcast, and it's the best quote ever, and I can't even remember it right now. Best quote ever. But you got to read this article.

I can't believe you missed it. I even wrote about it on TorontoMike.com. If you wrote about it, I would have seen it. This happened after. I know he mentions my episode with Barry Davis. So it happens shortly after that.

OK. Everyone listening, go to Patreon dot com slash Toronto Mike and give what you can to keep this going. Elvis, I'm going to tell you this is why I was

waiting for your episode. I'm considering maybe abandoning the Patreon because I'm so. Pardon me, Chris Murphy. I'm so underwhelmed. Oh, dear. It Patreon because I'm so... Pardon me, Chris Murphy. I'm so underwhelmed. Oh, dear. It's because it's not gaining any traction.

I hope the athletic guys are having more luck than I am getting people to do that. I feel like Patreon is just like a... I feel like the branding of Patreon might be what's hurting you versus like there's other platforms out there, isn't there? I went with Patreon because I watched Jesse Brown have great success with

Patreon. And I, so I don't know, maybe I'm on the wrong platform. Or something like that. So tell me why you think the branding of Patreon might be hurting you. Well, first of all,

it's a horrible name. I don't even know what that means. It's like Patreon. Yeah. It's dumb. There's an E in there. It's dumb. Someone needs to get ahold of their marketing person and be like,

I don't know what you were smoking when you came up with his name. So if you have any suggestions, I might bring it down or retool it because I've been hammering away at it for like six months or so. I don't know how long. No longer than that. Maybe it's a lot longer. I don't know,

but it's, it's kind of stuck and it hasn't hit that $10,000 a month. I was aiming for $10,000 a month. That's what Jesse Brown got. So I set that as my target. Holy shit. Yeah. So I'm just kidding. If I got 10,000 a month I was aiming for. $10,000 a month? That's what Jesse Brown got. So I set that as my target. Holy shit. $10,000 a month? I'm just kidding.

If I got $10,000 a month, I could actually quit my day job and bring in the big A-listers. I would get Will Smith in here. Right. Sure you would. Because Will Smith has been... You and your...

So here's the story. Your daughter and Will Smith are friends. My oldest daughter, one of her best friends, lives on a street in West Toronto on which Jaden Smith, this is Will Smith's son. You might know Jaden Smith. He's the karate kid. He's filming a big time movie.

Yes, right. He's filming a, that's Ralph Macchio. He's filming a movie, like a big movie. Oh, is he? Oh, okay. Will's in town to like support his son or whatever. Sure. So Will, so literally I have video and, and maybe I'll share it on Twitter,

of Will Smith and Jaden Smith crossing the street to shake hands and take pictures with my daughter. Were you with her? No. Or was your ex with her? No one was with her. Oh, she was just by herself. She went by herself to Niagara Falls today. Well, not by herself, with her friends. But they jump on a GO train and they go places.

Look at you. Look at her. How old is she? She's turning 13 this summer. But yeah, she's ridiculously independent. We give her a long leash because that's how I roll. But she's responsible. So what is she doing in Niagara? Is she going to Sundowner or something? No, I don't know, man.

I don't know. She just wanted to check it. One time she got on. You know, she rides the TTC for free because 12-year-olds don't have to pay. So she jumps on it all the time. And sometimes her and her friends just pick a station they don't know and say, let's go there and see what's there. Like, she phoned me from Christie Station once because she had never used a pay phone before. And she wanted to see it because she has a phone.

She has an iPhone. But she's phoning from Christie Station to say, they're at Christie Station. They wondered what was at Christie Station. So they just sat there. And they were just like, oh, you know, there's signs here. And like the Chinese characters, it's like they're in a whole different world. So anyway, she's an adventurist. She's very different than Mike.

Is she going to go check out some haunted houses and stuff, I guess, today then? I don't know. Ripley's Museum? I didn't realize that the GO train went to Niagara this early in the year. She said at 9 a.m. she texted me because she wanted a status update on her sister, who's in the hospital of pneumonia right now. That's crazy. That's crazy.

So I'm babysitting this three-year-old. Yeah. Trying to keep him alive. Who met, forget Will Smith, the three-year-old who's upstairs watching Trolls right now. I hope he's still alive. He met the Easter Bunny today. Yeah, that's pretty huge. It was a big deal.

Somebody on Twitter said, that's a creepy-looking Easter Bunny. I'm like, all giant bunnies are creepy. Is the Easter Bunny supposed to be Jesus? I never understood the correlation between... Save that. I got Jesus songs. Alright. So the beer you have, you already mentioned it. Great Lakes Beer, because I can say beer. Wonderful people. It's good shit.

Great beer. Yeah, it's good shit. Support them and tell them Toronto Mike sent you. They keep sponsoring this thing. Since you Patreons suck. I love local breweries, Mike. No, I love supporting craft breweries. Independent craft brewery. Yeah, it's fucking great shit.

And I love the designs on their cans are always fun to take a look at. They have really cool names. I've got pompous ass English ale. I have Harry Porter. Get it? Good one. Canuck pale ale. Oh, that's a staple.

There's a lumberjack on here. And then just the blonde lager. That's another staple. And then, of course, Brian Gerstein. Okay, so let's tell people. You have a, it's a pint glass. Yes, it's a pint glass, and it says property in the six. I don't think Osh was in the six, so I don't think you're allowed to go there.

No, we're not in the six. We're not in the six. I don't think Osh was in the six. So I don't think you're allowed to go there. No, we're not in the six. We're not in the six. Are you considering moving closer to where the action is? Oh, I've been considering moving for a long time. Will you divorce your wife

to make this possible? I mean, it's a possibility at this point. Fuck. It's ridiculous. Because you've been vocal about not liking your... I do enjoy coming here

and I wish I could come here more often. But frankly, the distance is an issue. But I'm going into the city after this, so it worked out well. I have to drop off something to a friend. So, and then I'm heading back to the Shwa. Wait a minute.

You have a friend? I do. I have a friend other than you. So, but if you know anyone who's going to buy or sell property in Toronto, make sure you send them to propertyinthesix.com because Brian's a solid citizen, a big Raptor fan. And that's not why you should go to him, but you should go to him because he's a great agent

and a master negotiator. And it's worth a conversation with Brian before you do anything. He's with PSR Brokerage. Better call Brian. Better call Brian. And Brian Williams said he looked like Donald Trump. You haven't heard that yet. No, I wouldn't agree with that. He doesn't look like Brian. No. Like call Brian. And Brian Williams said he looked like Donald Trump. Oh, you haven't heard that yet.

No. I don't know. I wouldn't agree with that necessarily. He doesn't look like Brian. No. Like Donald Trump. But okay. He's less orange than Donald Trump.

Yeah. He is less orange. All right. Here's a... So Humble and Fred. Oh, boy. And you're not fans of them. You don't like them at all.

It's fine. You feel sorry for Fred. I was a fan of them in the day, but... Well, but you're not a nostalgist like me. No, I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. But you're not a nostalgist like me. No, I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. They do credit me.

Lately, they've been giving me a lot of credit for their podcast because I was really big on getting them heard six years ago. And they're on Sirius now as well, right? They are on SiriusXM Canada Laughs, 167 or something. Right. So anyway, they're going to be at a panel for Canadian Music Week. They're on a panel of Alan Cross and a bunch of executives talking about podcasting and i heard them i heard them ranting about the fact that they added these executives because they think

they're worthy to be they should be the panel this is what they think humble and fred like they should be the panel maybe add an alan cross but they don't want all these executives on their panel because it's a 45 minute panel and they're only gonna they they just feel they're worthy of having their own panel they're they're a little pissedminute panel and they're only going to, they just feel they're worthy of having their own panel. They're a little pissed off that they added all these people to their panel. I'm shocked. But as a joke. I'm shocked.

As a joke, I tweeted at them both and I just said, hey guys, I've just been invited to be on this panel. Should I say yes? This is the only tweet I get. That's it. And they both at some point replied and said, why not? Everybody else said. So then I was listening to their podcast on Friday. Well, this is Friday. tweet I get. That's it. And they both at some point replied and said, why not? Everybody else said. So then I was listening to their podcast on Friday.

This is Friday. Yesterday. Thursday. Feels like a Saturday. This is actually a Friday. Jesus died. Jesus died at 3 p.m. Right.

Okay. Blah, blah, blah. They did not know it was a joke. So they start talking about how their buddy Mike, Toronto Mike, is on the panel. And they're kind of, I noticed they know I might be listening so they're not like saying I can't believe that loser got invited they're being a bit sensitive

to it but they're like oh yet another person on the panel like can you believe it so they're reporting this on their podcast and then I was like I'm gonna phone them and let them know and I'm like no let's keep this going a little bit because this panel is on Wednesday like let it go let's hear what they say Tuesday and maybe I'll let them know Wednesday that I'm not actually on the panel I have not been invited little bit because this panel's on Wednesday. Like let's let it go. Let's hear what they say Tuesday.

And maybe I'll let them know Wednesday that I'm not actually on the panel. I have not been invited to be on this panel. I meant it as an obvious joke. And when is the panel? Wednesday. So it's already happened? No, it's happening on Wednesday. So they don't know about it's a joke until.

They still don't. Unless they hear this, which they don't. They brag about not listening. That's the other thing. They brag about not listening to other podcasts. So they won't hear this. But yeah, I don't know if anyone listens to that show and this show.

I'm not on that panel. I think it's hilarious that they reported I was based on that one tweet. I'm shocked, though, that they would want a panel to themselves. And I haven't felt... And so I like them. Yeah.

It's funny because I had Bill Hayes in here yesterday, and I'm very aware in my mind that Humble Howard and John Derringer have one of the great feuds of our time. Yeah, but no one really knows about it, I don't think. I feel like you know about it. Well, they know about it if they listen to the Humble and Fred podcast. I'm not talking out of school here.

Even when I talk about how Mike Stafford fired Fred as his best man, that's not something he told me on the phone. He puts that on his podcast, and then I say, oh, they put it in public. I can now talk about it. Correct. They've been very open about the feud between Humble Howard and John Derringer. puts that on his podcast, and then I say, oh, they put it in public. I can now talk about it. Correct. So they have publicly, they've been very open about the feud

between Humble Howard and John Derringer, which I blame for the fact John Derringer hasn't done this podcast yet. That's my mistake. Yeah, you have a whole theory on that.

I do, and we'll see if Bill Hayes can soften that for me. You know, you should get Jennifer Valentine in here. I actually invited her when she was fired.

I'm in love with Jennifer Valentine. I know you are, but Chorus PR, this is before the derringer thing when jennifer valentine was doing some bachelor after party oh yeah yeah yeah yeah i asked jennifer to come on and jennifer's asked her uh new employer chorus like their pr department to approve it and the pr department was so shitty to me about it like it was the only time in the history of this podcast a PR person was shitty to me.

I uninvited her. Not her fault. I think she's a sweetheart. Were they telling you what to ask and stuff? It was more of a really rude way to say she's very busy and we can't make her available. It was just not a nice exchange

like I usually have with PR. The Chris Murphy thing happened because I got an email from a PR company saying, hey, do you mind writing about the TransCanada Highwaymen? Right. And I wrote back and said,

love those guys. It would be amazing if I could get, and I asked specifically for Chris Murphy, if he could come on Toronto Mic and talk about this, that would be amazing.

And the next day, I had an email from Chris Murphy directly. Like that's how that happens. Usually that's how it works. But this fucking chorus PR person was such a shit about the Jennifer Valentine request. And I don't know if they were afraid I was going to go hard on the fact, the breakfast television thing.

That's why you got to listen to the Kevin Frankish interview. I will. Because he's super honest about what went down there. She was there for like 100 years, 30 years. Yeah, big time. And you are in love with her. I am in love with her. She's a beautiful woman. She would be on my list. Who else is on that list?

Off the top of your head. I can't talk about it. Is Jennifer Aniston on that list? No. Okay. Jennifer Aniston. She's too old for you. No, no, no. I'm just kidding. She's a beautiful woman. You notice how our wives are aging? I was thinking that my wife is like mid-30s now, and I'm like, what? Why did that happen?

Anyway, our wives are aging. Nice. That's okay. I want to, and I'm going to blab a bit here, but I just want to say that back in the day, like in the 80s, I remember a big thing on television was miniseries. Do you remember the miniseries? It was a big thing. The Thorn Birds, I remember. I'm not talking

Roots, of course, but after that, there was these miniseries, which were big deals. I think they've returned in some regard. On HBO, I watched recently The Night Of. That's a miniseries? Yeah. So these are like one-off seasons.

They aren't meant to be like seasons. Right. But that's like how they do in the UK. Yeah. Yes. But I noticed they do. But then they always have additional, they call them series, I guess.

But they have a series two and a series three or whatever. These are like just one. Like The Night Of and the other one I watched, which was excellent. And the other one I watched is called Big Little Lies, which has like big stars in it. Reese Witherspoon and Nicole Kidman and people like that.

It's like a standalone six or seven episode season thing and it's like a mini series. That was fantastic. But in the podcast world, because I actually listen to a lot of different podcasts, I listen to Missing Richard Simmons. Yes. Huge.

I know. And I listened to the whole thing. It was seven episodes, wasn't it? Six or seven or something. But very well done. Yeah. I heard. It's downloaded, but I haven't listened to it yet.

All right. Here's the other one. Ready for this? And I know there's a lot of buzz about it because it's from the This American Life. Oh, right. I know what you're going to say. Shit Town.

Yeah, I heard it's great. Which they call S-Town, I guess. Yeah, I heard it's great. Which they call S-Town. Yeah, I heard it's great. Fantastic. And I'm not quite finished it yet. Like I'm on episode, I think I'm late

in episode four. But like I just, it's the kind of podcast where like I like stuff in the background while I work. But the problem is I'm so into every word

of the fucking podcast. You can't work. I have to schedule around it. Like I have to, okay, I have an hour here where I can listen. Like it's mesmerizing.

My friend said it was better than Serial Season 1. Wow. Which I think is, that's heavy praise. That is, yeah. Because Serial Season 1 is fantastic. I have to finish it and then I'll see. All right. Excellent, excellent content.

They do good work over there at This American Life until they get defunded by the Trump government. Yeah, that's fucking amazing. So just wanted to throw out those four things that are like mini-series, that are standalone, one-season things that are excellent. That's all.

Good for you, Mike. All right, can we talk about you for a minute? Oh, boy. Me? What did I do? Nice. Is this... What the fuck is this? What are we going to talk about you for just briefly here? This is real talk. Are we going What the fuck is this?

What are we going to talk about just briefly here? This is real talk. Are we going to make it? What? Real talk? This is fucking great. So we have... We recorded last time together.

Oh, shit. Before... I know what you're going to talk about now. Before this man died. Like it was just before. Like days, wasn't it? Some say our podcast killed that. He was listening and his heart just gave out.

Was it Christmas Day he died? I think so. So it was the day before. It was Festivus. Yes, 23rd. And then he died. That's right. Two days later.

Right. So we haven't seen each other since George Michael died. So weirdly, and this one caught me off guard, I cried when George Michael died. And I cried when Prince died. Not surprised by that. This is okay. Let me do this. So last time I saw you, you had a very long, uncouth, strangly beard. Yes, yes. To me, and I didn't want to,

and I never would be rude to you, but it looked like... Homeless. It looked like neglect is what it looked like to me, okay? I think I saw some cornflakes in there. Sure, sure, yes. So right there,

my mind starts thinking like, is Elvis, like, is he okay? Like, maybe he's depressed. Like, it seems to symbolize something. I know, it just, okay. And then you told me, I already knew at this time, that you had cried. The first time you cried about a

celebrity death was Prince. Yeah. Which was earlier. So you're 40 years old, right? Yes. And it was early 2016. So this is in the last 12 months. Yeah. Then George Michael dies. And you and I are similar age. I grew up with George. I loved him too. I didn't actually cry when George Michael died. Right. But I do cry a lot

by the way. but not for that. So now, for the second time in your life, you're crying over a celebrity, but it's the same calendar year, 2016. Yeah. And you got this long beard. Yeah.

All right. I should tell the people at home, you don't have the beard. We'll take a picture after this. Okay. So my question to you, for everyone listening who cares, because, you know,

I did the survey. A lot of people care. Some people hate you. Right. They do. Some people care about you. I know Rob J. listens to you. Tell me, are you okay? Totally. Yes. But I was, it was shocking. I couldn't believe it. Um, yeah, I remember

listening to Faith like over and over and over again and then Freedom and all that stuff. And he was one of those guys where now you look back and you're like, how the hell did we not know he was gay? Yeah. You know, like Freddie Mercury. You go watching some of those videos and stuff, too. And you're like, what the fuck? That's early to John. Totally.

Yeah. Totally like Liberace. And did you know Barry Manilow was gay? Holy shit. But no, obviously different time and all that stuff. But George Michael was, certainly when I was an early teen, was very, very much a big part of my musical listening habits, especially this album.

And then he also did shit like Prince did, where he would be very explicit in his songs. And as a young teenage boy, I want your sex part one and two. That's right. And then, you know, with Prince, with sexy motherfucker and stuff like just love that shit. You know, as you're growing up and discovering your own sexuality, ironically from a gay man. But yeah, although he was having sex with women. He was.

He was an He was. Lots of women. Yeah, that Asian woman in the video for I Want Your Sex was a lover. Yeah, and there was the, what video was it where he had all the supermodels in it? Remember? And they were singing the song? Yeah, but I don't think he was having sex with them. Well, no. Like Linda Evangelista.

Yeah, yeah. But that's what you were imagining. That was Faith, the other Faith. No. Father Figure. No. Yeah, no. No, no, no.

Hold on. Was there a second faith like a different faith or freedom freedom freedom

because there was another freedom okay Wham had a freedom and then there was freedom 90 or something yeah freedom 90 right

that had a little supermodel and then I don't know if you're gonna talk about someone else who died tell me who else because this one

wasn't like this was impactful but I wasn't as upset about it about Prince fucking Charlie Murphy man yeah yeah that sucks I really love Charlie Murphy This one was impactful, but I wasn't as upset about it about Prince. Fucking Charlie Murphy, man. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That sucks.

I really love Charlie Murphy. And my tweet was, you know, I like to laugh. And I know I laugh loud and people think it's an act or obnoxious. But, you know, I like to laugh. Roshan doesn't think that. I laugh. I love to laugh. Laughing is what makes life bearable.

laugh i laugh i love to laugh laughing is what makes life bearable and charlie murphy made me laugh very like just like not a lot of other people can make me laugh like he did um and again the irony with charlie murphy was dave chappelle has come out with two specials on netflix that are i've seen them that That are outstanding. They're fucking so great. But I will say this. The first one is unbelievably good, and then the second one was not as good, in my opinion. I thought they were both great, but they're both different. And then, of course, I watched both of

these, and I'm like, this is great. I go back and watch old Chappelle stuff, stand-up, and show, and then, of course, you just have to go back to the Charlie Murphy celebrity stories or whatever, and you go into to go back to the prince the charlie murphy you know celebrity stories or whatever and you go into the rick james and the prince and yeah it's just and so i spent you know like the days before he actually died watching all those things again and then all of a sudden he dies i know and then you remember that his wife had died in 2009 or something like that

from cancer as well and they have three kids kids. And you're just like, fuck. Fuck cancer. This is, it's crazy, man. It's crazy. I didn't cry over Charlie Murphy, but I felt really bad. Yeah, those, you mentioned the Rick James story, but in the Prince story,

those are the two, the best two. But yeah, amazing. And that whole like, you know, when Prince is making the pancakes after the bath, like that's, that Chappelle show story is I called it on Twitter. I called it pure gold. It is gold. It's gold, Jerry. Gold. Making the pancakes.

It's in the basketball and they're all in their fucking outfits. No, it's unbelievable. The silks or whatever. Charlie. The blouses. The darkness. No, unbelievable unbelievable so great yeah it's unbelievable

yeah it's shitty and he's funnier than Eddie Murphy but that tells you whatever but well no

I mean raw and delirious are did an age well I'm speaking for myself I watched the first one was delirious right so

no first one was raw raw oh sorry delirious so I rewatched it because I have in the 80s I have memories of that

being the funniest thing I ever saw. Still is. Yes, but it starts with stuff today. It starts with an age joke. Yeah, with the faggot stuff. It doesn't age well is all I'm saying. It's a little uncomfortable.

You've got to put yourself back in that time, though. Yes, of course. I watched it. That was one of the things I watched immediately after the Dave Chappelle specials because it brought me back to that. I thought of, obviously, Eddie. And I was laughing my ass off still.

I still find that funny. Even though I know it's wrong, but, you know, it was from the 80s. I mean, it was, what is it, 83 was Delirious? Yeah, around there. Yeah. No doubt. So you're okay. I just want the people to know if you're depressed or sad or whatever.

Thank you. I am fine. No, I'm good. And I'm glad. The beard was a social experiment. Okay. Just wanted to mention. I shaved my soul patch for the first time in like 28 years or something. I didn't even notice.

That's good. You look clean shaven. You got your TFC cap on. You're going to take me to a game. Why are you playing this? We're going to do a really quick. It's an interesting time in Toronto sports. We're going to do this really quick.

This is Leafs are the best. So we're going to do this real quick. Did you watch last night? I did. Yeah. Really heartbreaking goal at the end, man. I mean, it's hard to blame Freddie, but he should have had that. But, you know, he could have been screened, you know, just his glove was a split second too slow.

Yeah. It was shocking. We took the President's Trophy winner to overtime in their barn. It's a seven-game series. I think they'll lose in six. See, I thought, going into the series, I thought we'd lose in five. Okay. And then I was encouraged by what I saw yesterday,

so I changed my prediction halfway through yesterday's game to Leafs in four. Because they went up 2-0? Couldn't believe it. 2-0. So I'm just, okay, so the Leafs is fine. I consider this, and I said this yesterday to Bill Hayes, but I consider we're playing with house money in my opinion. So it's really kind of fun.

Like even though we lost in overtime, and if I had any expectations, I'd be so mad and so upset and so disappointed. But I was like excited, like happy that we hung with the big boys and we'll see what happens Saturday night. I feel bad for Babcock because clearly his entire family and extended family died in a plane crash. Oh, you mean when the Pittsburgh game? Yeah, when they clinched

the playoffs and the horn went to end the game and they go to him. It might have been after it was either right at the end of the game or just after the empty netter by Austin Matthews. And they go to him and I swear to God it looked like he just, his entire family died. died it was like dude you just made the playoffs you you defied all the odds no one thought anything no he's got bigger goals bigger goals uh i gotta say uh so the game was

at uh seven o'clock last night so james and i my 15 year old we sat down at six o'clock and watched a youtube video which was basically just all 40 aust Matthews goals this season. But not just the goals. The celebrations? The set up, the broadcast. The set up, the after stuff. I'd say it's three minutes a goal. I don't know what it was. It was a lot. We went through every single Austin Matthews goal

just to psych us up for the game. So it's on YouTube? Yeah. I'm going to go look at that tonight. And this starts, of course, you you got the four in the first game. And then he went 10 without another one, right? Something like that. But 40 goals, unbelievable in this day and age for a rookie, a 19-year-old. Was he second overall or third overall?

I can't remember, but mind-blowing. So Leafs are in the playoffs. Game two is Saturday. Raptors start their playoff series Saturday. So these two teams, let's see what happens. That's exciting. Meanwhile, the Toronto Blue Jays are off to the worst start in franchise history. It's horrible.

It's horrible. I mean, it is April, but they're certainly putting themselves right behind April. So you're saying it's early. Yeah, I'm going to take the Mike Willner. putting themselves right behind the eight ball. So you're saying it's early. Yeah, I'm going to take the Mike Wilner... It's early has become a divisive, polarizing

phrase on Blue Jay's Twitter. I've noticed. Well, because Wilner will say it's early in August. He'll be like, hey guys, it's early. We've got a month and a half left. And I defend Wilner a lot, but I think it's early. Fans interpret it as you can't complain about the shit you're seeing think it's early. Fans interpret it as like you can't

complain about the shit you're seeing because it's early. As if these games doesn't count until August or something. Damien Cox is the king of this being like the games that matter are the games that you play in October, November, December.

Because they mean just as much as the games that you play. Oh, you're talking about hockey now. In hockey, right? That's his argument. Because people always say, oh, you know, it's early, blah, December, right? Because they mean just as much as the games that you play. Oh, you're talking about hockey now. In hockey, right? That's his argument. Because people always say, oh, you know, it's early, blah, blah, blah. And he takes the complete opposite. Surprise, surprise that he would take complete opposite.

But, yeah, I mean, I think. I noticed Cox is kind of calling out Wilner on it. The it's early crowd is coming around and all this stuff. I think you're at the point now where you should be concerned. Because this is not good. At some point, you've got to bring out your calculator and realize, oh, the Jays have got to play 600 balls the rest of the season or whatever. And then you realize that's not good.

And there's only two examples in the history of since the wildcard. I don't know what it is. But there's two examples of teams that started this 1-8 or whatever we are and actually make the playoffs. You're running out of, like, never tell me the odds is what i said to bill hayes yesterday but these odds are getting smaller and smaller i fucking love this and the good thing is i know and do you know who it is it's uh the first cut is the deepest uh keith hampshire do you know him no this is him okay it's fucking great brings it back such great memories no i love it okay so

who's else is there tfFC, how's their start going? They've won one and drawn the rest. So we haven't lost yet. Not the greatest. They've played six games. Two games at home. They play away this weekend, and then they're home for the next four. So Jovenko scored his first goal last weekend.

He needs to continue to score more and uh if we can if we can win all four at home then we're back uh sitting pretty i'm gonna go see them in new york in the middle of may cool yeah is there a section for you guys like a red section yeah we're going my brother and i are taking my parents so we're going into like real seats you got to keep away from that that supporter section to get rowdy in there. That's right. And you got to sing, right? Correct. Well, although we will be in New York, so we may not be able to sing.

Okay, I hear you. Don't want to get into trouble. All right. Do you want to do the, maybe one more thing and then we can talk about whatever you want before I get to my Jesus songs.

But I just want to say that this is that, what is it? Mid-April now? What is it? 14? Okay, mid-April now? What is it? 14th? Mid-April now, I noticed the midges have started to appear on the waterfront. I don't care, but

you get extra protein. So they just literally in the last couple of days, they sort of started. So they're not at peak yet or whatever, but it begins now. So there will be, by the end of this month, I anticipate like full mid-season. The weather on Tuesday was phenomenal

to run. It was great. And then it got fucking cold. How much do you run? You run every day now? Five days a week. Okay. And how... What kind of distance? You do like 5K a day? What do you do? It depends on the day. Today I did a speed workout.

It was a 10-minute warm-up slow and then three minutes as fast. Imagine as fast as you can go but at 90% of that. Do that for three minutes and then two minutes of a slow jog. That's one set or one

rep and you do that 12 times. It was fucking horrible. It was really, really brutal but it was good and then tomorrow i'm doing 12k there you go that's cool i used to run too but it's been a exactly a decade now since i ran 2007 is when i last ran but that's anyways i bike did you know i bike no i had no idea left wing pinko t-shirt is what you know i i have a comp somebody on twitter a couple of people on twitter were like complaining that i was rotating the same four t-shirt like i take a photo i don't think it was a complaint i think it was an observation that was absolutely

accurate no no no because um no i don't think it's accurate but it wasn't four it was maybe uh in that sample size they went through it was maybe like nine or so different tops i believe the comment was that you wore a different t-shirt and you wore pants that weren't track pants oh that's that's the greg brady he noticed when i have bigger guests i take the i don't wear the track pants like right he observed and he's correct this is he cracked about if i have elvis although i'm wearing jeans right now for the record, but I might be in a track pants for you. Greg Brady, I was in track pants.

Okay. I have a couple of nice roots track pants that are super comfortable and I wear them a lot because this is my basement. Then when I had Bob McKenzie coming over, I decided to wear a suit, blue jeans, okay? T-shirt and a blue jeans. Blue jeans. Yeah. So Greg Brady astutely observed that when the big A-listers, if we can call them that,

the A-listers come in, I'm not in my track pants. I feel that's inaccurate. But the T-shirt thing, they were like, you know, I have an affinity for certain, I like my iBike TO shirt. I really like the Lost Indie City shirts that Pete Fowler sent me. I have two of those. And there's certain shirts I do wear like I like them, so I put them on a lot. I own

like 20-something shirts. So I was wearing right now, I was wearing my Optimus Rhyme t-shirt because I wore it to this Easter egg hunt I took Jarvis to this morning in Marieke's park. Why did you change for me? Because I freaking remember that I wore Optimus Rhyme for Bill Hayes. So when we take the fucking photo

after this stupid podcast, it's going to... we take the fucking photo after this stupid podcast, it's going to... We're taking a photo after this? Yeah, because they're going to show your beard's gone. But some... Look at Jarvis today. Some asshat is going to leave a comment, I wore that shirt yesterday.

Right. Fuck them. I'm in my basement. I might wear the same shirt every day if I want, but now they got this complex. I'm thinking now, I better put on a different shirt.

I actually answered the door in my Optimus Rhyme shirt. And I went upstairs to take a piss and I decided to change a different shirt. Like I actually answered the door in my Optimist rhyme shirt. And I went upstairs to take a piss and I decided to change my shirt. I believe way back in the day, there was a picture that was on your thing and someone commented that both of us were punching above our weight or something like that or punching above our weight class. What does that mean? Like our wives are better looking than us or what?

No, that we were tubby. It was a long time ago. I was, but I haven't been tubby in the history of the podcast. Like I was tubby before the podcast. So maybe it was me and someone else with you in a photo then. Maybe. I can tell you because I lost 40 pounds in the first half of 2012. Right.

And this podcast is turning five in August, which means I literally. Five? Is there going to be a celebration? I don't know. We can talk. August 28th, 2012 is the first episode. What day of the week is that? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. We can talk. August 28th, 2012 is the first episode. What day of the week is that? I don't know.

I don't know. I don't know. I might be camping that week. I took that week off work to take the kids camping. But we'll see. I have to do something. But yeah, fucking, what am I talking about? T-shirts.

Yeah. So like, I don't know. Like, I never cared about what I wore ever. But then I realized. I think that was the point. Yeah. Well, I know. But this is my thing.

It's a podcast. Like, I could be naked right now. I know, but you take pictures. I do take a picture. If you don't take pictures, then no one will know. Well, whatever. Leave me alone about the shirt. I changed my shirt. Today I've got the Panko shirt. I know. I wanted to let you know it's in my head now. I'm actually now conscious

of it. I feel like this is a shirt you should wear when Freddie's over. Or when Don Cherry comes over. I think he inspired this shirt. I feel like that is the next big should wear when Freddie's over. Or when Don Cherry comes over. I think he inspired this shirt. I feel like that is the next big guest. But would an 80-something-year-old guy like that come over to a fan's basement for a podcast? Yeah, I think if you can get him to talk to Brian Williams and some of the

other people, I think... Oh, did you know Brian Williams vetted me with Dave Hodge? I don't doubt it. I would imagine that there's a lot of vetting that's happening, and that's probably why you're getting more and more guests, right? Like bigger guests. So you're saying treating these guests with respect is helping me.

Of course. If you did the hack job interview with Todd that everyone wanted you to do, you would have no one here. I heard you roughed up Shapiro. That's what they'll say. He's the guy who roughed up Shapiro. He's the guy who roughed up Shapiro, right? I'm not doing that show. That's right. Of course. Yeah.

Remember how you blew that interview so bad? I grabbed him by the fucking collar and I pushed him against the wall. Well, Barry Davis is a good example. So, Barry Davis doesn't want to talk on the record about the specifics of what happened with his firing from Rogers. So, he actually warned me

before the podcast. He said, you know, I can't talk about that. And I said, well, I said, you can talk about whatever you want, but I'm going to ask that question anyways, and you can do what you want with it. Right. Right. Because Dave Hodge said, I don't want to talk about the pen flip. That's right. But he did anyway. And he did like 20 minutes for the pen flip. So I'm like, okay. And he had such a good time. He told Brian Williams to do my show. So you never know. And then, so yeah, so back to Barry Davis is I asked him. And then I actually asked him in a different way a second time. Because I was, it's a really kind of the question in everybody's mind.

So I asked him like twice. And then on Reddit, somebody said it was uncomfortable and cringy that I kept pressing on that when Barry clearly didn't want to talk about it. So you read your own. Oh, yeah. You read everything? I clearly didn't want to talk about it. So you read your own... Oh, yeah. You read everything?

If I see... I look at, on the website, torontomic.com, I'm always in the... Not always, but sometimes I pop into the analytics to see where... People are coming from?

Are coming from. Because you never know if they're... That's how you find out things. Like, oh, look, Toronto Star wrote about me. Like, you find these things out because there's links

around the web or whatever. Right. So I saw a bunch of traffic. Not a bunch. I saw some traffic coming from Reddit. So, of course, I click through to see how am I being linked? Right. Right.

Of course. And people were commenting. And then I saw that and I just thought that was, yeah. Anyway, uh, I, I jokingly,

jokingly explained to the listeners on the Barry Davis podcast, I jokingly said, you can't see this, but I've got Barry by the scruff of his collar and I'm holding him against the wall. Like I'm doing my little bit. Meanwhile, I'm smiling at Barry and he's smiling back at me.

But I think maybe this person on Reddit thought maybe I wasn't joking or something. Just like Humble and Fred think I'm on that panel for Canadian Music Week. Although I wasn't a panel for Humber College. I saw that. And that really was true. And they actually, so I do this panel

and I would have done it for free because I'm actually really close to Humber College. So, and the guy's like, okay, now you get a hundred dollar gift card from anywhere you want. I was like, fuck it, I'm getting a hundred dollar gift card for going on this panel. Like I'll do one every day if you want. So where did you get it to? It's a little embarrassing. I got it for Walmart because I need so many things for the one year old.

Like I need so much like baby stuff all the time. So I just basically. Walmart though? Well, where would you get your $100 gift card from? Loblaws? I don't know. I shop at No Frills, man. I don't know.

So No Frills? Is there a gift card at No Frills? Sure. I had to quickly give up a fucking place where I could spend $100. And I said Walmart. I'm disappointed in you. Oh, come on.

You're definitely not a left-wing pinko. That's for sure. Give me a break, man. I'm going to buy diapers or something. All right. So the midges. Okay. Ready for this?

I'm buckled up. Jesus songs. Okay. So let's disclose here. We were raised Catholic. So we know all about this season. This is the biggest religious season we have. It is more important than Christmas in the Catholic Church. Because one, he's born and one, he rises from the dead. Right. Yeah. It's a

fake. It's fake. Like he died, but he's like, psych, I'm back. And he was dead for three days. Correct. Like this is, he's... But it's a weird calculation of three days. Because he dies today. I know.

Friday. I know, but it's a... Because Friday, Saturday, Saturday. Yeah, it's two days. Right? You're right. They say three days, but I always... I never did that math before.

It's always weird to me. But then what's Easter Monday? It's not really three days. Like my kids are not going to school Monday. I think that's just sort of like a... Made up? That's party. So he...

You know what else I think is weird about this holiday? Tell me. That we have today off. Why? And why is it that we get today off instead of Easter being the day that, you know... Well, because it's Sunday. But you just, you know, they work. You just, you take it on the Monday or whatever.

It's so weird, though, because we don't have, like, this crazy infiltration of church in our society, generally speaking, in Canada. And outside of Christmas, which I think is probably not really a religious holiday at all anymore, why do we have Good Friday? You're right. I don't get it. I don't get it. And I'm assuming it's probably some sort of legacy thing, and it might be the compensation for Easter being on Sunday. It is a statutory holiday. Yeah.

But my colleagues in the States are working today. But some are not. Because my colleagues in the States have the day off. They do. Weird. And I asked this question of one of my colleagues in the States who says a lot of companies don't get Good Friday off. And they were pleased we get it off. So I don't know if that's because I work for a European company, which actually gets the Monday off too.

Interesting. But only in Europe, not in the States. So strange.'t know if that's because I work for a European company, which actually gets the Monday off too. Interesting. But only in Europe, not in the States. So strange. Yeah. It is strange. Okay. So I'm going to start with. Don't fret, everyone.

He's coming back. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So the real. You're really sad that he's dead today. It's just. It's fake. So he dies today at 3 p.m.

Or back on Sunday. On the cross. At 3 p.m. I got to look. I got to Google this. This is in my mind. Is there a watch? From primary school. I remember. How do they know it's 3 p.m. on the cross. 3 p.m.? I got to look that up. I got to Google this. This is in my mind from primary school. How do they know it's 3 p.m.? You know why I think that?

Didn't it get dark at 3 p.m. or something? I don't know. And why does the day change? But how come you don't know? Why is Easter attached to the lunar calendar? It makes no sense to me. It's like, I don't get it. Because it should be a day.

Correct. Like Christmas is December 25th. Correct. Even if that's not the day, really, it's the day that we now observe. Fine. It's like Victoria Day, right?

Right. That's the day that we celebrate Queen Victoria's birthday, even though that's not really her day. Right, right. You know what? We'll make an exception for the monarch so everybody gets a day off.

But Thanksgiving isn't attached to an event. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's weird. Okay, so, all right. I don't get it. So, Jesus's weird. Okay. So, all right. I don't get it. So Jesus dies today.

Correct. And on Sunday, which is not three days, it's two days later. Right. He rises from the dead. Correct. Pushes aside a rock, comes out of the cave, out of the tomb. It's amazing. No, here's what's amazing.

Okay. Yes. And I'm trying, I'm actually, one of my goals is to be a nicer guy. Like, I don't talk about this as much as I used to. I'm trying to be less of a dick. Like, I'm getting older and life is short and I really just want to help people and bring positivity to the world.

When the Leafs lost in overtime, you know what I tweeted? I tweeted, we'll get them Saturday. I hate that. This is the new Mike, okay? I hate that. Positive Mike, we'll get them Saturday. Like, I'm not going to go,

oh, fucking shit. There's always next year. Fuck this shit. We lost the fucking Capitals and over them we should have won that fucking game no we'll get him saturday this is the new mic okay listen i don't like it okay i know you don't like it my baby's in the hospital pneumonia right now okay i'm a softer kind and you're fucking recording a podcast right i'm not recording this is just a chat with my buddy. I should have recorded this. Okay. So why do so many people we respect and love and know believe this story? You brought this up before. I don't understand because these are people like they might be, for example, I had a heart thing.

It turns out my heart's fine, but I thought I had a heart thing and I had to get the results of my stress test from a very well-renowned cardiologist. And the cardiologist is in the room beside me. And I'm waiting for him to come in and talk about the video of my heart through the stress test. I'm going to find out, like, do I have a heart problem? Do I have heart disease? Is there a hole in my heart? What's going on here? I hear through the wall, I can hear him talking to his buddy.

He is a Jewish man, his doctor. And he's talking about stuff in the Bible as if it happened, and they're having a very interesting discussion about, well, this has been prophesied, and I believe this will happen, whatever. They're treating the Bible like it's a piece of fact, okay? And I have this moment where I'm sitting there, I'm thinking... It would be the Torah, by the way.

Is that right? Okay, yes. The Torah, which is like the Old Testament. Right, I'm sorry. I apologize. I apologize. So, I'm waiting for the cardiologist to tell me how my health is with the heart. And I know that he believes literally in all these things in the Torah. And I'm wondering, like, this really smart, like, logical science-based man believes all that stuff. Like, it didn't compete. Here's where I would disagree with you on this particular point.

Do I even have a point? I'm not sure. But in a way, that makes more sense to me because he is waiting for the Messiah to come. But he believes that stuff literally happened like that

and that a Messiah is coming. Yeah. Which to me makes more sense than the fact that he's already been here and all this stuff happened and he died for his sins and walked on water and blah, blah, blah. Like to me, that makes more sense because it's like, hey, I'm waiting for something because the world is shitty and it's a dark place. And I want to believe that there is something beyond this and blah, blah,

blah. So I believe and I hope that there is someone that's going to come and make the world, you know, just a great place. However crazy as that may sound. It's less crazy than us, what we were raised with. And eating someone's flesh and drinking their blood. Okay, and here's the guy. So on Sunday when Jesus rises from the dead, the resurrection. Correct. Does he die again?

Like, does he have a second death, which is the real death? No, because he ascends into heaven. He ascends into heaven. He ascends into heaven. He becomes the... Does he become the Holy Spirit? He's at the right hand of the Father. Correct. But he ascends after he resurrects.

I think there's a couple of days maybe he hangs out in the desert a little bit. So now he's physically alive. He's like, hey, remember me? Oh, he died Friday. Ah, I'm okay. But then he goes up. Fake. It was fake.

Psych. When Itchy and Scratchy added the dog, right? Poochie. Remember how they got rid of Poochie? That's right. He just ascended into a spaceship or something. Like, okay, that just happened. Okay, I was wondering, does he have a natural death later?

I can't remember how he ends up back there. Clearly. And is that like, do people believe that? Like, when he dies the second time, and they're like, ah, Jesus is up to his old tricks. Like, we'll see him in a couple of days or whatever. Well, I don't think he dies again. I'd have to go back and look. I think he literally ascends to heaven.

Yeah. I remember seeing a picture of him going up over the... Those pictures make him out to be a very handsome man. He is. He is. A very handsome white man. He's very white. I was just going to say, he's a very white...

He's the only white guy living in the Middle East. The whitest guy to be born in Bethlehem or whatever. That's right. Okay. Jesus songs. Let's start only white guy. The whitest guy to be born in Bethlehem. That's right. Okay, Jesus songs. Let's start with this one. Soon I discovered that this rock thing was true. Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil. Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet.

All of a sudden, I found myself in love with the world. So there was only one thing that I could do. It was ding-a-ding-dang, my dang-a-long-ling-long. Great song, man. Fucking killer, man. Love it. We used to play this on CFY in the early 90s. That's right.

This is when I used to listen. Yeah. That's when you were a Humble and Fred listener. Yeah. But this was one of the great tracks they would play. Big time. Jesus built my hot rod. Love it. That's probably...

If I were to do this retrospective, I'd probably start with this one too. And I have a clear number two. So I have five here. But okay. I'm a professional. Nice okay. I'm a professional. I don't do this stuff. So here's the other one that I loved around this exact same time

period. Oh yeah. I forgot about this. Bad Motor Fingers. I just listened to it the other day. I remember it came out before the grunge wave, okay? It was just before it, though. But it was so

fucking heavy and so good, it just fucking blew my mind. It's great. I love it. I'm not fading out until I get a little more. Right now, our listeners have either tuned out or are banging their head profusely, violently.

It's just great. I gotta grow my soul patch back. Fucking great. Yeah, so this album was Bad Motor Finger, which has got Rusty Cage on it. It's got great shit on it. Spoonman's on it too, right? Nope.

Was that on the next one? That's definitely not this one. Is that the next one? Down on the... I can't remember, but that's definitely not this one. Is that the next one? I can't remember. That's definitely not this album. This was like 1990, I want to say. It wasn't Scream Man. Scream Man's good.

It's about heroin, you know. Yeah. It's like Dr. Feelgood. I asked Chris Murphy about this. I'm like, you know, you kind of rode this grunge wave because everything was going on. I said, a lot of those guys were doing heroin. Yeah. Heroin and Sloan.

I won't spoil it for you. You got to listen. All right. He showed me his track marks and he said, this is how I got it. I forgot how long it takes for the lyrics to kick in, but here we go. He's one of the great, best front men of the 90s. Probably the best voice. Okay, so I always, who's got the best voice?

I think Chris Cornell had the best voice. I think Eddie Vedder. Well, he was a different scene, but no, not Axl. Axl's got a great voice. He was still the carryover from the hair metal late 80s. Yeah, he sure was still. But I think if you think of the guys, I like all their voices. I liked Kurt Cobain's Yellin'. He comes up in a minute, by the way, in my Jesus songs.

But I was a big Pearl Jam guy. So although I admit Chris Cornell had the better vocals, I think Eddie Vedder has a great singing voice for this rock music. Sure. Thank you for agreeing with that. I know you're not a big Pearl Jam guy. I hate them. I know.

All right, let me do... So that's another... Pearl Jam and Radiohead. Those are the... Come on. I know they're no ACDC and Kiss, but they're pretty good. They're horrible.

Reach out, touch space. Did these guys just announce they're going on tour? I believe so. I'm surprised he's still alive. He tried to kill himself several times. Did he really? Personal Jesus. And there's a great Johnny Cash cover of this song, by the way,

from his American recording days. So these three jump off the top of my head as the big three for Jesus songs. Now we get into the obscure. No, not, I wouldn't say obscure. One of them's a bit obscure, but I mentioned Kurt Cobain. Oh yeah, that's right. Now I don't, I couldn't have a list like this without. Is this Great Big Sea?

No. I like Great Big Sea. Let's not buy their. I. I like Great Big Sea. I don't like Great Big Sea. They're no Spirit of the West, but they're pretty good. This is Jesus Doesn't Want Me for a Sun meme from the Unplugged recording. Yes. MTV. Was that the first big one, or was it Bryan Adams?

I'm going to say the first big one might have been the guy whose kid fell out of the window. It sounds terrible. Eric Clapton, remember? He did that. He had the big hit with Trees in Heaven. You're right. You're right. You're right.

And then it was Brian Adams and these guys. Brian Adams had a big unplugged. I remember buying the bootleg of the Pearl Jam unplugged because it never came out as an album. But it had like a porch on there and black and it was great. But you're not a Pearl Jam, guys. No. So Jesus Doesn't Want Me for a Sunbeam,

which of course is a cover of some old standard. I'm not even sure who the original artist is, but it's not a Nirvana song. Do you know whose song is that? No idea. I don't know. It's like an old blues standard. I don't know.

And I'm going to throw on my final? No idea. I don't know. It's like an old blues standard. I don't know. And I'm going to throw on my final fifth one here. I've decided. This one's a bit more obscure, but I dug it. Let's see if you can name keeps slipping, Not coming back. Everlast. Oh, really? Really.

He's more of a producer now, right? You know, I don't know. Like, last I remember hearing of him, and I've liked him for a long time. I used to listen to House of Pain back in the day. Yeah, yeah. But he had, like, a heart attack in his, like, 30s or something. But obviously he survived it. And he did a bunch of work with Kid Rock, too, right? Did he?

I thought he did. I can't remember. I just know that... Robbie Richards or Richie Roberts or whatever his name is. But like... Here.

Anyway, that's Black Jesus from Everlast. I'm going to look up Everlast after this. Do it. I know he had the hard thing, but yeah, he's... That sucks.

He had a good transition from like House of pain rapper guy to like his solo stuff with uh oh fuck what was it something whitey sings the blues is that the album yeah fantastic album man i was listening to that cd when i crashed my car and almost killed me and my friend mark um driving home from work one day that's true yeah but we all survived the tail the tail That's the good news. Always wear your seatbelt, kids. Do you have anything

you wanted to cover during this 231st episode? Or do you have any Jesus songs that I missed? No, I would have... The Jesus... Jesus... Stole My Hot Rod

or whatever that is. That probably would have been... Built My Hot Rod. Built My Hot Rod. No. I think we've covered a lot. You've said it all, Mike. You've said it all.

I've said it all. You think Jarvis is okay up there? I put on trolls? Hope so. I heard a noise earlier. And I gave him strawberries? I locked the door when I came in. He can unlock that pretty easily.

Oh, good. For all we know. Who knows? It's Sweden Lake, Ontario right now. We've got to be careful. It was fun, as it always is. What's up, Roshan? In case you're listening.

I actually think he's way behind. I think so, too. He might be more behind than I am. He was one of the first Toronto-miked fans. Yeah, from India. Yes. He's an Indian guy who is in love with Canada. Like 5440.

Yeah. Spirit of the West. Craziness. He probably is a big Sloan fan. Yeah, probably. I'm going to listen to some Sloan on the way home. Why don't you listen to the Chris Murphy episode? I play a lot of Sloan in there.

Maybe I'll do that instead. That's probably a good idea. Come on, you're wasting this valuable car time. So you're not going straight to Oshawa because you're going to do something in the big smoke. I'm going to TO and then I'm going home. You know, technically you're in TO right now. I'm in New Toronto, if you remind me, which doesn't exist. The mayor of New Toronto is actually John Tory.

There's no... I thought you were going to say some bullshit. No, but... You know, they have the honorary fucking mayors and the parades and shit. I think Mimico wanted New Toronto to merge with them. And this is way back in the day. And New Toronto said, like, fuck you. We're going to stay independent. And there was like a feud between New Toronto... I remember them. And this is way back in the day. And New Toronto said, like, fuck you. We're going to stay independent.

And there was like a feud between New Toronto. I remember what I wanted to say. Tell me. I'm so, I just want to say congratulations, Mike, because your boyfriend has a job now. Hold on. Coaching high school hockey in Columbus. So David Clarkson, congratulations to you and your boyfriend, Mike mike on your new job

um i think he'll make a comeback in the nhl sure he will just like justin pogey is working his way back to the nathan horton no he's not coming back he's still i actually was looking at the list of scratches the scratches if you will for that playoff game and there's a list you see joffrey loophole's on that list. And your buddy there is on the list. Nathan Horton's on the list. Of course. Robida. Robida. It's just some of the guys on this team that'll never play

another game for the Leafs. It's hilarious. Lupo wants to be back. He still wants to play. There's something there. There's something shady going on there. Like he's been paid to shut up or something. Seems like it, yeah.

But I'm sure he can help him with the play. Do you think he had sex with Dimitri Mironov's wife or something? What was the big thing? Ally Afraidy? What was the big thing back in the day? Gary Lehman? Something happened with... With Russ Cortnall?

No. Gary Lehman and Ally Afraidy's wife or something there. Something like that. That was always a rumor. And of course, Wendell Clark is gay, is what the other rumor was, which is so ridiculous. And they called him Wendy. That's right.

Did you know I met Wendell Clark? I saw that. I saw that. Here's a quick question. Quick question. So my daughter meets Will Smith and they're chatting and there's a photo of my daughter with Will Smith. And this begins a big discussion in the family.

Most famous person you met, like not gone to a concert or a sporting event, but had a conversation with. Will Smith wins. But who's your most famous person that you've had a conversation with? And by the way, I have a rule here. If you pay to see Oprah Winfrey speak or something at some

convention hall or something, it has to be somebody you meet in the wild. Oh, so like if it was a VIP before a concert? Yeah, like if I go to a Pearl Jam show and I'm able to meet Eddie Vedder at some VIP thing, to me, I'm not meeting Eddie in the wild. No, that does not count. Gotcha.

Okay. Like if I go to a hockey game and Sidney Crosby signs something for me because he's playing that night or something. That counts. That doesn't count. If it's at the hockey arena, it doesn't count. Gotcha. It's got to be in the wild.

If you meet him on... I met Patrick Patterson on King Street, okay? I saw... I didn't say hi to him, but I've said hi to him before. George Smitherman, I saw him yesterday. I don't think that's a very big game. You know why? I'm pretty sure he was going to come on this show,

and I said, no, thank you. Really? Yeah, you're now on a level with people I don't even like. Did he ask you? It came up through an intermediary that he would be interested in coming on. And I didn't want any politicians on this. He's an interesting cat, man. But I didn't want politicians on this.

He's an interesting cat. How interesting. I know. He has interesting stories and stuff. He does. So when you're in a land of people rejected by Toronto Mike, you need to go bigger. There must be somebody you've met. I'm sure there is.

I can't remember. I have a horrible memory for this kind of stuff. Like every Canadian has in the wild met a big hockey player. Yeah, for sure. Ed Olchek. But I also, I could have met Geddy Lee. I was in an airport lounge with him. I have a picture with him.

But, you know, like I'm sitting in my chair and it's like I pretend to take a selfie, but he's right behind me. Oh, yeah, one of those. But Geddy Lee is a big name. I pretend to take a selfie, but he's right behind me. Geddy Lee's a big name. I didn't want to bother him. He's a legend. I've had a few of those. I didn't want to bother him. That's probably the biggest guy I've seen out in the wild. Geddy Lee. Because Monica's answer was Ice T. She was in Vegas. Will Smith beats Ice T. Ice T and his wife.

We have no debate on that. Will Smith beats Ice T. Ice T's pretty big though. Ice T's big, but Will Smith does beat Ice T. And there's not a lot of people that. Will Smith beats Ice-T. Ice-T's pretty big, though. Ice-T's big, but Will Smith does beat Ice-T. And there's not a lot of people who beat Will Smith. Both rapper and TV star. Yes, and they're both like that because Will Smith is a rapper and an actor. But he's also a movie star. Right.

Will Smith beats Ice-T, but no one even argues that. That would be funny if she was holding onto the Ice-T. No, she actually... Originally, Michelle just saw Will Smith, and then we decided that Monica still had the lead because she actually met. Right, right. And then later that night, while we were drafting the hockey pool, Michelle phoned me crazy excited because she just got the photo up.

And did she also meet Jaden then too? Yes. Right, yeah, that's big. That's twofer. And the best part is James was upset because Michelle told Jaden that James liked his new song. Apparently, Jaden has music. Right, okay.

And James did remark that it was better than he thought it was going to be. But James was upset he was misquoted. Now Jaden Smith is out there thinking that this James guy in Toronto liked his music. And he just thought it was better than he expected. Poor James. Poor James. Yeah. Oh, my music stopped.

We weren't done, but now we are. Have you ever had to do this? I'm pretty sure with Jeff Merrick, I might have did it three times, and then we just decided to play other music and talk for another hour. That was when I was stupid enough to think every episode should be one hour.

That's right, yes. How long have we been talking for now? Not that long, 125. Originally, by the way, people are very interested in the minutia, the history of this wonderful podcast.

Originally, with Rosie, I decided every episode should be 30 minutes. That's right. This was my original. Yeah. And then at some point I realized,

okay, that's not working because I got lots to say. And I had more interesting people on and I decided an hour. No one will listen to a podcast more than an hour. This is what I decided. And then, I didn't give a on, and I decided an hour. No one will listen to a podcast more than an hour. This is what I decided.

And then I didn't give a shit anymore, and I realized if we can have a good chat for 90 minutes, why would I stop them at an hour? Sure, yeah. I'm not getting paid for this. Is Rosie still on the air? On this show? No, not on this show. Yeah, of course.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. She's with Jim Lang, right? I think she does that from home. My understanding is she does Jim Lang's show from home. Really? Like ISDN line. Look at her. Yeah, and then she goes in for the afternoon.

That's like what Maureen Holloway used to do on The Morning Show. Yes, yes. Oh, can I say, this is another, so Bill Hayes said this off the record too, and I'm going to share it now. Oh, good. Sometimes John Derringer does his morning show from home. Really? It's in his contract. he's got the ICM and nobody can tell, and nobody knows

wow, Robin Quivers has been doing the show, at least that's the rumor, and it sounds like she is, but they never acknowledge it on the Howard Stern show oh, because she had her cancer battle, but still apparently it's back I feel terrible to hear that, because I fucking love that show yeah, me too

four more years and then that's it. And cancer sucks. Yeah, fuck cancer, man. And that. Fucking hurt. Right in the bum. There is a, I won't say his name, but a great guest on Toronto Mic.

It's a very morbid thought that my brother Steve had, which was, who will be the first guest of Toronto Mic to pass away? Is it a fucking death pool? Yeah, like who will be? And I said, I hope, who will be the first guest of Toronto Mike to pass away? Is it a fucking death pool? Yeah, like, who will be? And I said, I hope, like,

I will say, for five years, I've never lost a guest. They're all alive. Yeah. Nobody has died from the show. I can drive myself off the Gardner Expressway.

Are you even a guest? You're more of a co-host. I don't know. Thank you, Mike. But a former guest who was great on the show is, he's battling cancer again

and there's, I just want to, I don't want to say his name just to protect him, but I the show is he's battling cancer again and I just want to I don't want to say his name just to protect him but I don't think he's public. Didn't you already mention Richards? No, I'm not talking about Michael Richards. And he was, that's a clogging of his that's different, that's not cancer. Fair, you're right. You're right. And he'll be fine from that. Okay. And that brings us

to the end of our 231st show. You can follow me on Twitter at Toronto Mike. Elvis is at Oshawa Elvis. And our friends at Great Lakes Brewery. I can't say that word. I can say this, though. At Great Lakes Beer.

And Property in the Six. Propertyinthesix.com is at Brian Gerstein. Or Gerstein. But he would have corrected me, I feel. Oh, you said Gerstein? I've been saying Gerstein the whole time. And he didn't say, oh, you know, Mike, my name is Gerstein. I'mstein. But he would have corrected me, I feel. Oh, you said Gerstein? I've been saying Gerstein the whole time and he didn't say, oh, you know,

my name's Gerstein. I'm like, oh, shit. So maybe Gerstein or Stein is the American way of saying it. I don't know, but it's Brian Gerstein as far as I'm concerned.

And if it's not, he's going to change it to that. Oh, guess who next week's guest is? Brian Gerstein. No. Howard Berger. Oh, yes. Yes. Next week. I will listen to that because. No. Howard Berger. Oh, yes!

Yes! Next week. I will listen to that because it's going to be a fucking train wreck. I have questions for Howard. Oh, yeah. I can't wait. See you all next week. Don't fuck this up like you never thought.

Oh, yeah. See you all next week. Rosie and Gray Yeah, the wind is cold But the smell of snow Warms me today And your smile is fine And it's just like mine

And it won't go away Cause everything is rosy and green