Toronto Mike'd: The Official Toronto Mike Podcast - Fearless Fred Kennedy and Dean Blundell: Toronto Mike'd #1066

Episode Date: June 15, 2022

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This is an episode I wish I never had to record, but I don't feel I have any other option. For several years now, former 102.1 The Edge and Fan 590 broadcaster Dean Blundell has been relentlessly defaming me. I've wanted nothing more than for him to leave me alone. me. I've wanted nothing more than for him to leave me alone. But with his new attacks this past Tuesday, I realize he's just going to double down on the false accusations with more personal attacks. In 2018, Dean Blundell recorded an episode of his podcast in which he made up lie after lie about me. At that time, I was so upset that he would spew such rubbish into a microphone that I recorded an unnumbered episode of Toronto Mic'd with my rebuttals. I'll include that audio at the end of this episode 1066.

To give this story proper context, I need to speak of former 102.1 The Edge and current Q107 broadcaster, Fearless Fred Kennedy. I've never met Fearless Fred, but there are several posts on torontomic.com in which I cover Fred's Toronto radio career. on torontomike.com, in which I cover Fred's Toronto radio career. He started at 102.1 The Edge in 2009, and in August of that year, he did an interview on a comedy blog entitled From the Back of the Room. This is a direct quote of what he said. There's some radio site called Toronto Mike, or Mike in Toronto, or something.

It's a prototypical website that's full of people who've either been fired or are just starting out and are already jaded. Basically, no matter what happens in the radio business, they're the people who will always say it's for the worst. Joe Blow gets fired, and it's the worst thing that has ever happened in radio ever. Even though, when he was on the air the week before, they trashed him without remorse. All that typical nonsense. At the time, I was puzzled by Fred's remarks, because it didn't seem to be about TorontoMic.com.

It was as if Fred had my site confused with another blog or forum. Then, in 2011, Fearless Fred appeared on Humble and Fred's podcast. Howard was aware of those comments Fred said about me. Here's that audio. Okay, dude, now here's the time to get a little honest. So the podcast here at humbleandfredradio.com is up. And by the way, I failed to mention this in the opening, that our buddy Mike Boone, the legendary Toronto Mike,

has put up a how-to how to download this tutorial on our website if you want to go check it out. And I understand, actually, now that I think of it, isn't there a little history, Fearless, between you and the legendary Toronto Mike? No, there's no history. He just hates me and wants me to die or something. He doesn't hate you. He doesn't want you to die.

Well, like, I don't know. I, I, I went on the website when I was first hired and it was basically like, it felt like a, a rallying cry to like bring me down. And, and it's frustrating because I think people really forget that we're human beings. And it was frustrating because there were people that were like really going out of their way to make this difficult. And I don't think they understand that at that time, there was a lot of family problems going on in my life as well. So it was really, really frustrating because I was dealing with things on a personal family side, dealing with moving, dealing with a new job. And I can't express how frustrating

it was. I would never treat anybody like that. It's frustrating. It really sucks, you know? And you know, he's the kind of guy, he's been a friend of ours for years, he's the kind of guy that if you guys met, you would like him and he'd like you. I wouldn't want to meet him. I don't want to act like I wish bad things on the guy, but I have no inclination to ever speak to the guy or anything. He's going to love this.

But Fred, he's one of those guys that thinks he owns the edge. He's a part owner, and nothing's supposed to change. Hang on, Fred. Kelly Gutierrez wants to say something. It's different for me because when I started, people were using this to track down my wife. They were sending Photoshop pictures of her to her. And it was all started through that website. It gets me really frustrated.

And that attitude is sickening to me. It's really frustrating. And I'm getting flustered about it because that was real life. That's a line that's been crossed. Wow, he's getting into real life right now. There's a lot of emotion on the Humble and Fred show this morning. Fred, it's Kelly Kutrera. Hello, Kelly Kutrera.

I took over for May Potts. Try doing that, my friend. Sweetest woman in the world. And then I took over on the edge for her. And that was tough. But I'll tell you, Mike Boone, Toronto Mike, if you can trust anyone, trust me, he's a good guy. I met him when I first came into the Humble and Fred headquarters. And I'll tell you, I actually, this maybe is a plea to Mike Boone,

if you could just start writing nasty stuff about me, anything on the website, I would kill for a job right now. I mean, nasty, just happy that you're getting paid to broadcast. And I love Mike. I spoke to him on the way, nasty. But I want to say, and I love Mike. I spoke to him on the way in today. But I'll say this about what Fred's saying. People don't realize, because we both, Freddie P. and I, have had some horrible things written about us. That yellow board, that radio board, Fred. They said some things.

There was a whole blog in the early days of blogging, a whole blog dedicated to basically mocking Fred and I every day, and it used to drive us nuts. That stuff's fine, though. To me, you expect that. I mean, you could go online and find websites dedicated to deriding Charles Adler, who's one of the most successful broadcasters in Canada, and that's fine. These guys were saying some personal stuff, and it got really, really ugly for a while there. But we put ourselves out there.

Well, yeah, but I don't put my wife out there. No, no, no. It's not like that. It's the same as when you see paparazzi attacking somebody outside of the school and they're picking up their kids. I mean, maybe somebody who's on a talk show or something signed up for that but their kids didn't that's not fair that's stupid and and when people try and defend that kind of behavior it just it it promotes it people think that that's okay and generally speaking the people that are doing

that are so desperate to belong to it they're really just trying to attach themselves to it. I know what you're saying because we did a promotion at Mojo. It was a father and son. Which was a great station. Absolutely. When I was a young lad starting in broadcasting, you guys were like icons to me because of what you were doing. I think Fresco's gone crazy because there's no commercials. No, no, you're right.

Mojo was a great, I mean, Mojo should still be alive to this day, but that's besides the point. Remember, we did the father and son thing. So the idea was you want a trip with your dad to come with Fred and his dad to Florida to see a football game, a hockey game, a basketball game. And I remember on that Dumble and Fudd board, somebody wrote, what's worse than going on a trip with Fred Patterson, going with Fred and his dad? Oh, yeah.

And the thing is, to me, that was over the line. Oh, yeah. I don't care what people say about me. When I heard this, I knew Fred had the wrong guy. I actually performed a content audit of everything I've ever written about Fearless Fred Kennedy, rereading every word and every comment left on those entries. This was rather time-consuming, but I wanted to be sure that nothing slipped between the cracks and there was nothing about Fred's family, his wife, or his personal life.

Again, the most critical it got was commentary on Fred's ability as a broadcaster. Even when Humble, Fred, and Kelly Catrera tried to reason with Fred, he won't hear it because he's clearly decided he hates me and I'm a horrible person. That was 11 years ago, and I never heard from Fearless Fred again.

But periodically, Dean Blundell would take shots at me that were completely unfair. Again, at the end of this new recording, I'll append the recording I made in 2018 so you can hear for yourself. On this recent Victoria Day long weekend, Jennifer Valentine posted a Facebook video about her treatment by Q107 radio personality John Derringer. This was one month after Jackie Delaney made similar remarks personality John Derringer. This was one month after Jackie Delaney made similar remarks about John Derringer on my podcast, Toronto Mic'd.

Then, Andrea Roos, Maureen Holloway, and Supriya Dwivedi went public about these allegations. That's when I created a page on torontomic.com to aggregate these allegations against John Derringer. This prompted Dean Blundell to say the following on his podcast of Tuesday, May 24th, 2022. The individual that Dean Blandell is referring to is John Derringer. And I'll also say this, that a lot of the people that have come forward

to dunk on this individual who has since been fired as of this morning, that show does not exist. Yeah, that's official. Official. Yes. That his show does not exist. A lot of fucking losers are coming out to dunk on him right now.

Like this asshole Toronto Mike. He is the biggest piece of shit on this planet. He is a radio jock sniffing piece of shit who is using, like, legitimate terror of individuals on all sides of this to up his profile. Stay away from him. He's human fucking garbage. I should point out that most of the women who have made allegations against John Derringer have reached out to personally thank me

for that post and for being an ally. The worst person in the world? Human piece of garbage? Why is Dean Blundell attacking me like this on such a public platform? This really upset me because it was so grossly unfair, and there was no opportunity for rebuttal. My friend Brother Bill, who was friendly with Dean, even tried to intervene because his rhetoric was so nasty and unwarranted. When Mark Weisblot from 1236 visited me on the first Thursday of June, something he's been doing every month for years,

we talked about the allegations against John Derringer, what Chorus was doing about it, and Dean's comments about me. In that episode 1060 of Toronto Mic'd, I publicly asked Dean Blundell to stop and leave me alone. On Tuesday, June 7th, Dean defamed me again.

This time, I wasn't going to stand for it. These bald-faced lies were abhorrent because I was being accused of things I never did allow me to play this segment of Dean Blundell's podcast and respond I hadn't heard of Toronto Mike until you mentioned him last week R.E. the Derringer story I listened to the most recent episode, and wow, you are mentioned a lot. His guests are not a fan of you either.

As someone who listens to your sketchy radio show, his words, not a radio show, digital, every day and looks forward to it, I beg to differ with their critiques, including ridiculing your website. The guest goes over your history at the edge and your excuses for being let go. And then Mike says he has a final word about you. So the episode that this co-host of Dean Blundell is referring to is episode 1060 with Mark Weisblot from 1236. Again, Mark comes on every single month, typically the first Thursday of the month, and we talk for three hours about everything that happened in the previous month.

Note that laughter from Dean Blundell when his co-host quotes me as saying leave me alone. That laughter. Wow. And this is new. I haven't said, I didn't share this with you guys on purpose because it was almost too good. I wanted to do it live. He loves you.

We'll pick on someone else. Yes, he loves you in with Derringer and Mike Stafford, no relation to Matthew Stafford of the Rams. As radio people, we should be glad are gone. Every time I thought that they were moving on to another media story, they returned to Derringer, Blundell, etc. So this analysis of the Dean Blundell discussion and the John Derringer discussion that took place

in the first part of the episode 1060 with Mark Weisblot from 1236. These, of course, are Mark Weisblot's takes, his spin on things. As FOTM Blair Packham recently said, in these 1236 episodes of Toronto Mic'd, I typically recede into the background. So these opinions and takes belong to Mark. Then they added a link to the podcast. So of course, I did my due diligence and clicked the link.

And the podcast was three hours and 15 minutes long. Same run time as Fellowship of the Ring. It's a long time to be bothered by me, isn't it? Three hours and 15 minutes. Can you guys...

I'm 31 years old. They spent an hour on you. Episode 1060 is actually three hours and seven minutes. But again, every time Mark Wiseblood visits for one of these monthly episodes, it's at least three hours. And it's been that way for years. And no, we did not spend an hour on dean blendell not even close full disclosure 31 years old i don't know who toronto mike is

can you guys fill me in as to no i've never heard of him until dean started shitting on him well that's yeah i had no idea who he was until he had job is he uh like no he he's uh how do you describe i don't really know um he? No, he's. How do you describe? I don't really know. He's like this. He's like this mini blogger who like when I when I came to Toronto, it's a fun kind of a funny story because when I came to Toronto, there was like these these pictures of me when I was working in Windsor saying this guy's coming to Toronto. And I'm like, I don't know. I do who this guy is.

working in Windsor saying this guy's coming to Toronto. And I'm like, I don't fucking know. I have no idea who this guy is. And then all of a sudden I started seeing shit posts about me, about me being like a piece of shit or a loser. And he was friends with Humble and Fred, who I think he works with right now. Humble and Fred.

Not sure what a mini blogger is. And I don't do shit posts. I've never called Dean Blundell a piece of shit, nor a loser. Not once. The worst I might've said at the time that Dean Blundell arrived to take over for humble and Fred at one Oh 2.1. The edge is that he wasn't my cup of tea.

He's a producer. Yeah. I don't know. No idea. And I think he might've been, I think Toronto Mike may have may. I, and again, I don't know. No idea. And I think he might have been, I think Toronto Mike may have, may I, and again,

I don't know for sure, but I think he may have actually worked with, with Humble and Fred when they were on that six 40 thing that was that, that men's radio thing. But they are all together now. Yeah. They're together now. For the record,

I have never worked a day in my life in radio. Never aspired to do so. Never applied for a job in radio. I had nothing to do with the Humble and Fred show on Mojo Radio 640. So there I'm being mistaken for somebody else. But for the first time we hear something that's accurate. I do produce the Humble and Fred podcast. So he, just to kind of brass tax it, what he is, is he, I don't have no idea, he's been obsessed

with me for 20 years. So, and obsessed with Fearless Fred, like he was the guy that put out all these Photoshop pictures of Fred's wife getting gang banged. So this is the doozy that prompted this episode of Toronto Mic'd. Here, for the first time, Dean Blundell is shedding some light on what specifically has him thinking I'm the worst person in the world. And a human piece of garbage. in the world and a human piece of garbage. Here, Dean Blundell says, I'm responsible for sharing photoshopped pictures of Fearless Fred's wife. This is something I absolutely never did. I've never written about Fearless Fred's wife. I've never spoken about Fearless Fred's wife. And never in my life have I photoshopped

anybody's wife into any photos, let alone a gangbang photo. This is not me. And here Dean Blundell is sharing this lie on his very public podcast.

This is why I'm so angry. What? Yeah, and it was on his platform. Said that Fred caused Martin Streak's death. He perpetuated that rumor for a long time. Fred was getting threats. His family was getting phone calls.

Yeah, yeah. That's the guy. That's the guy. This is the other doozy. Never once, not one time, through any of my digital channels on any platform, did I ever suggest fearless Fred Kennedy was responsible for the suicide of Martin Streak. That never happened.

To suggest I perpetuated this myth and somehow spread this in the public realm, resulting in these emails that Fearless Fred allegedly received, is gross, inaccurate, and unfair. What would you do if a former Toronto Radio morning man went on his podcast and spewed these lies about you? So when Derringer got fired and the first article about how terrible Derringer is was written by this guy, I thought, fuck, what a grandstanding cock, which he is, right? That article I wrote after Jennifer Valentine released her Facebook video, was me aggregating the words and messaging from women. I actually never called John Derringer terrible.

And if you read what I wrote that day, the allegations against John Derringer, I never voiced an opinion on the matter. I remained completely objective, intentionally so, and let the alleged victim's words speak for themselves. And then I was reminded of the kind of individual

this guy was after Chris told me, he's like, I gotta read you this article, it's about this guy, I won't tell you what's in this email we got, but it's about this guy, Toronto Mike. And I'm like, fuck it, I'm pretty sure that's the same guy that when Martin Street died

started perpetuating this rumor that Fred's hiring led to Martin Street dying and Fred got, and you can talk to Fred about this, hundreds of emails and threats from people associated with this guy. Pictures of Fred's wife

photoshopped into like a porn gangbang. Like ask Fred about it. He'll tell you about it. We talked about it at golf like last year, I think. And here's the source of these lies. Fearless Fred Kennedy. They talked about it at golf last year,

according to Dean Blundell. And that's why I tried so hard this past week to get a private conversation They talked about it at golf last year, according to Dean Blundell. And that's why I tried so hard this past week to get a private conversation with Fred Kennedy so I could tell him he's got the wrong guy. This wasn't me. I'm not responsible for any hateful emails Fred received about the tragic suicide of former Edge 102 DJ and host of Live2Air's Martin Streak.

Like, he's not a good person. And on top of it, my understanding is he is such a compulsive liar that it's like, you know, he apparently runs a media business with no clicks and says, I got millions of this and hundreds of thousands of that. He's just nothing. He's just a nothing. I don't know what to say about that.

Dean Blundell calling me a compulsive liar is just too rich. Wow. I've never lied about my audience or my numbers. I don't know what he's talking about. Anyway, let's listen to a little more here. Who's the guy he had on with him on that podcast? So I'm not shocked because he's literally...

That guy just sounds like Nardwar. No idea. No idea who he's talking about. I have no idea about any of this stuff because it's like, this guy is almost like a noisy dishwasher to me, right? Like just, whatever, he's talking about i have no idea about any of this stuff because it's like this guy is almost like a noisy dishwasher to me right like just whatever he's there you can kind of hear it in the background and he's such a wiener like just one of those do you know those lock you know these guys like radio wieners who like never got a chance to be on the radio always wanted to

be on the radio would practice into their microphone and then got enough money to grab like enough money for like a podcast or something like that, and then put it together, and then started interviewing his favorite radio people. He's asked me to be on his podcast like 100 times. And every time I'm like, no, thank you. No, thank you. No, thank you. Maybe of all the lies that Dean has been spreading about me over the last several years, this is the one that always shocks me the most. This idea that I've been begging Dean Blundell to be on my podcast hundreds of times.

Yes, I've asked Dean Blundell to come on my podcast at least three times, but obviously not since his podcast episode about me in 2018 that I responded to in 2018. And again, I'm going to append that unedited in its complete form at the end of this one. Again, I have never wanted to be in radio. I'm not a failed radio person who couldn't make it in radio. It's obvious to me that Dean Blundell doesn't know anything about me or what I'm about or what the Toronto Mic universe is about. And he says as much. He doesn't know. And then he makes up a bunch of shit because that seems to be his M.O. And then I remember one time

we did a show about the fact that I wouldn't go on this guy's podcast. This was years ago. And he faked and cut together this fake interview about me like I was talking to him or something. It was the weirdest. It was like stalker shit where I'm like, this is fucking bizarre. There Dean is referring to that episode I mentioned from 2018,

the unnumbered episode. And when you hear it at the end of this one, you'll realize there isn't a human alive who would think I cut it together to make it look like I was interviewing Dean Blundell. That's just another lie. It's obvious what I'm doing. You'll hear for yourself in a few minutes.

So he's kind of like a radio stalker is what he is, like an old wiener radio stalker who thinks he's somebody and he's nothing. He's just miserable because he was never what he thought he should be. That's all. Dean, stop bullying him and just leave him alone. Yeah. That actually came up multiple times. There's a nice puppy. Leave me alone. I wish he'd leave him alone. Yeah. That actually came up multiple times. There's a nice puppy.

Leave me alone. I wish he'd leave me alone. What do you think? And in textbook bully fashion, Dean Blundell and his co-hosts, Lachlan Cross from 95.7 Cruise FM in Edmonton, and Chris Rook, pile on, join in the the fun and make fun of me for

asking Dean Blundell to leave me alone I never talk about I don't know idea who the fucking guy is other than the fact that all he wants to do is stick his nose in my asshole which is fine if

he wants to so they're so odd it's creep that's kind of so it is creepy isn't it you snuckery yeah when you brought him up last week i didn't know about this connection so i was surprised at your your level your aggression for him on the podcast vitriol and and it uh i think it surprised him as well based on because i i had a couple of people send me the Toronto Mike podcast

where he's shitting on you. So I listened to it the other day. How was it? Well, I just thought it was going to go away. You had seven hours to listen to it? What did he say? I don't even know what he said. What did he say?

I think we've summed it up for the most part. How was the quality of the broadcast? Well, there's a guy, that's why I was asking you if you knew his co-host. He's got a guy that jumps on with him, apparently. I've never heard of him either, and this is the first time I've ever listened to him. And his voice is fine, but the guy he had on with him has this... This nardwar human serviette delivery. Can you do that one more time so I can clip it for later?

Dude, it was harsh to listen to. Yeah, yeah. And he kept, he's, the guy was smart and put words together well, but. Hard to listen to. There's a lot of people out there like that. And listen, if he calls himself some kind of radio critic, it's like being a fucking VHS critic now.

Be kind and rewind. It's like when you hear about a food critic that's never been a cook. Why would you listen to them? A few things as we wrap this up. I've never referred to myself as a radio critic, so that's just something else they invented.

I don't have a co-host. This is episode 1060-something, and although I had a co-host for the first 30 episodes, shout out to my dear friend Rosie, I have not had a co-host since. first 30 episodes, shout out to my dear friend Rosie, I have not had a co-host since.

Mark Weisblatt is my guest. And again, I invite him over the first Thursday of every month because as that one co-host of Dean Blundell remarked, he's smart and he's well-spoken and I find his takes on things fascinating. And they may not like his voice, but I do. Dean Blundell says Fearless Fred is his source for the lies about me photoshopping Fred's wife into the gangbang pictures and linking Fred to Martin Streak's suicide.

Again, if these things happened, it wasn't me. Fred has the wrong guy. I DM'd Fred on Twitter and told him such, but I never heard back. So a day later, I DM'd him again and said it was very important he call me. Fred never replied. Then the day after that, I publicly tweeted Fearless Fred, told him I had DM'd him my phone number,

and asked him to please call. No response. I even called one of his radio colleagues that I'm tight with, asking this person to reason with Fred and to let Fred know it was very important we have this conversation before I drop this episode on Wednesday morning. Fred never responded. responded. Fred, if you're listening, you have the wrong guy and you've been confusing me with someone else

since you arrived in Toronto back in 2009. I'm sorry someone photoshopped pictures of your wife into gangbang pictures, but that wasn't me. I had nothing to do with it. I never once even referenced the fact you were married. It's not at all relevant to me, nor is discussing your personal family anything I'd ever do. Ask anyone who knows me. As for Martin Streak's suicide, I wrote a great deal about this. Never once did I suggest in any fashion that you had anything to do with it. This never crossed my mind. Again, you've got

me confused with someone else. And when you say these things to Dean Blundell, for him to parrot on his podcast, it's libel. Please stop telling lies about me. If anyone has any questions whatsoever about any aspect of this story, please reach out. I'm mike at torontomMike.com. I'm on Twitter as at Toronto Mike. My DMs are open. Ask away. My hope here is that Fred Kennedy will realize he had the wrong guy and has been hating me for 13 years

for absolutely no reason. and has been hating me for 13 years for absolutely no reason, that Fred stops sharing this fabricated story about me, and Dean Blundell stops his campaign of aggressive online bullying, his lies about me. He stops attacking me through his digital channels, and leaves me alone. Fred and Dean, it's never too late to do the right thing. Correct the record and apologize.

Now, as promised, to demonstrate that there's a pattern here, that Dean Blundell has been doing this to me for years. Here's the piece of audio I dropped in the Toronto Mic feed in 2018. So that's four years ago. And I'm not going to edit a stitch. What you hear now is exactly what I recorded four years ago and what I put into the feed. The original plan was that I would drop this unnumbered episode into the Toronto Might feed, and then after a week, I would delete it.

That's why I never got a number. Obviously, I never did delete it. And even though at the time I recorded this, I did not intend to tweet about it or create an entry about it on torontomic.com, eventually, I did write a post about it. Here it is. What up, Miami?

Toronto. VK on the beat. Check. I'm in Toronto, baby. Welcome to a unnumbered episode of Toronto Mic'd, a weekly podcast about anything and everything. This one's completely different because this episode does not exist. There's no tweet to support this episode. There is no guest in the studio, so there's no photo of me and the guest in the usual spot. There's no entry on torontomike.com where people can play the episodes straight from the site. This unnumbered episode only exists in the feed for Toronto Mic'd. So if you're subscribed to Toronto Mic'd,

you'll find this episode, and I don't know what I'll call it. I'm leaning towards calling it When Dean Blundell Attacks. Yeah, I think I might go with that one. It's growing on me. So what is this? Well, recently Dean Blundell Now, if you know Toronto Radio, you know the name Dean Blundell. He took over for Humble and Fred on 102.1. I'm going to guess

this is like early 2001. That's from my memory, though. So, you know, a reasonable facsimile of a copy of a copy. So I think early 2001, Humble and Fred leave 102.1 for Brothers Station, as they called it, Mojo Radio, 640. And they became the new morning show on 640. Dean Blundell was recruited, I suppose, from Windsor, where he was doing like a rock chalk in Windsor. And he became the new morning guy. Jason Barr and Todd Shapiro, who were part of the Humble and Fred show, they stayed behind. I feel like at the beginning, maybe Sandra Plagakis was also staying behind. And before she moved on, I she's in ottawa now but dean blendell was on 102.1 for a long time he left there was great controversy when he left you might remember uh

he was suspended because of comments that were made when uh when blind derrick wellsman was on that jury and they made jokes and references to the jury that caused a mistrial. There was great controversy here. Some of the remarks were deemed homophobic, but I believe what got him in the end was simply like a straw that broke the camel's back, and Chorus cancelled the Dean Blundell show. He eventually did resurface on 590, where he was the morning show host before he was let go from that gig. And as recently as today, I heard somebody pointed me to a tweet and an entry by Dean Blundell that he's going to be guest hosting on 1010, News Talk 1010, which is a Bell Media company. And he has a huge announcement to make, he says, Friday or Monday. I don't know which one, but who knows what that announcement will be.

Personally, as long as he's not going to announce that he's taking over for Matt Galloway on CBC Radio 1's Metro Morning, whatever he announces will have little effect effect on my day to day. So we'll see what that is. But Dean Blundell did podcasts. So after the 590 gig and before now, he discovered podcasting. So even though in the past he would shit all over podcasting, especially when Humble and Fred were doing it, it turns out he was into it because he recorded a number of podcasts.

Recently, he recorded a podcast in which I came up. So I was pointed to this episode and was told, you need to listen to this. So of course I did. And I heard, I'm fine with him going at me, but the lies were too tough to chew. Like, I don't mind fair game and all, but if you want to go at things I did say

or things I did or whatever. But this was completely unfair, so I was left with, like, what do I do now? Blundell put, he recorded this podcast for public consumption, he released it into the public and he wrote about it on DeanBlundell.com because he wanted people to listen to his podcast. So he's gone to great efforts to put this in the public domain.

I mean, he said it on the recording, so he knew what he was doing. And as he says in this episode, he was clean and sober for months. So he can't blame substances. He's of sound mind and body. And he puts this out there. And now what? People hear this and of course, oh, Dean, why would Dean lie? This must be true. like I need an opportunity simply to rebut the things he said. So what I'm going to do in this episode, again, this episode that is unnumbered because it may disappear at any moment and it's for subscribers only, I could pull it. I might not even post it.

That's how unsure I am about this one. But let's do this. Let's listen to Dean on this episode when he goes at me and then I'll pause and chime in periodically. So Jerry called me today and said, Mel and Adam said a bunch of nice stuff, had a nice interview. And then he said, he asked how Todd was doing, who I haven't talked to in years, right? Why would anyone think that you would be a good source of information? You know, it's interesting because a lot of people ask me about Todd.

And it kind of full circle sort of came around this morning because a guy that podcasted with him for a long time, this guy Mike Boone. You know who Mike Boone is? No. Toronto Mike. You know who he is? Not really? No.

He has, I don't want to say chase me down, but this guy has been relentless for like 20 years, He has, I don't want to say chase me down, but this guy has been relentless for like 20 years, critiquing pretty much everything I do. That seemed to stop. Like for what? Oh, when I was at the edge, the show sucks, he's a loser, he's this, he's that. Yeah, but lots of people said that, but why does this?

I'm going to pause it there just because already I need to come in here and say this whole notion that for 20 years I've been hounding Blundell and telling him his show sucks, he's such a loser. I've never in my life, at least not on the blog or podcast, have I called him a loser. I've never said he sucks. I'm trying to figure out the root of this whole idea. And I think it comes down to the fact that when asked about Dean Blundell, I always answered with the truth. And in fact, I pretty much almost always use this exact term. But I would say he's not my cup of tea because he wasn't my cup of tea. I didn't like what I heard, so I didn't listen.

But I sure didn't write entries about how much he sucks and what a loser he is. I've never done that. Now, I did one time in, I think, 2003 or something, George Stravolopoulos. Strombo was filling in for the Dean Blundell show because they went on vacation or something. And I had a commute back then, and I tuned in to hear how Strombo sounded on the morning show and Strombo sounded fantastic. He was just what I was looking for in a morning show. I liked the music. I liked what he would say about the music. It just felt great to hear this. And I wrote an entry on torontomic.com, it's still there, in which I kind of compared it to lisa substitute and i said that you know uh strombo was dean's substitute and and really like was really good and i wasn't even

bashing dean because i always just say dean blendell is not my cup of tea his show is not my cup of tea but uh the strombo fill-in was great And that's kind of the closest I've ever come as far as I know. And you can tell me, I've never deleted a Blundell entry. I've never called him a loser or said he sucks or gone at him at all the last 20 years. I hardly write about him

because I don't listen to him. And I only just write like news updates, like, okay, Blundell's a new guy at the fan. They've canceled the Dean Blundell show. So that's a fact. This idea, I've hounded him the last 20 years. I've never met Dean. I've never talked to him on the phone. I have emailed him three times in the past six years since I started this podcast. But we'll get to that in a minute. Let's let Dean pick it up and I'll come back.

And I know. What does, no, but what does he do? I don't know. I think he does a podcast. He's got a website where he talks about like media people and gets free stuff. he's a podcaster.

Yeah, he's a podcaster. Got it. And I think does pretty well. Yeah. Okay. Clearly, because you just called him Toronto Mike.

Well, that's what he goes by. I know several Mikes in Toronto, so I didn't know what you were talking about. No, no. Oh, you're thinking of Keswick Mike. Or maybe Hamilton Mike. Are you thinking about Hamilton Mike? Anyway, he's been. I know Mikes in Hamilton that hate you.

He's been probably. He has had like Humble and Fred on like 100 times, and he's had Todd on 100 times. Okay, I'm coming in here because I'm laughing. Okay, Humble and Fred have been on a lot. I think they've been on probably five times, maybe six times, but I guess that's a lot. I have done 412 episodes,

so percentage-wise, it's not that much. They're not on that much. But here's the kicker. He's had Todd Shapiro on 100 times, okay? I've done 412 episodes of Toronto Mic'd. Todd Shapiro's been on exactly, precisely one of them. them one time episode 66 or something like that Todd came over it wasn't even a great experience he he made me make him breakfast and coffee like he made me sort of like you know he kind of was demanding all this stuff it wasn't a great experience Todd's never been back uh I don't know how Dean Blundell came to this uh conclusion that my podcast, I've had Todd Shapiro on hundreds of times. I don't know how one becomes hundreds. I know hyperbole is a big thing. So maybe if Todd was on 15 times, Dean might stretch that to hundreds of times.

But one doesn't stretch to hundreds of times. But here's more, Dean. All the questions are Dean-centric. They're all about me and how much of a bully I am and how terrible I am and all this other stuff. So he's asked me to be on his podcast like a hundred times. And I said, you know what? Okay. Again, I don't know if Dean's just got this tick where everything is a hundred times. Like if this is just some default a hundred times, I've asked him three times and this is the truth. I don't delete a Gmail. So I can, I can show you.

When I started the podcast, I wrote him an email and invited him on. At some point, a couple of years later, I think he wrote back something like, thanks, but no thanks. And then a couple of years later, I wrote him again to say something to the effect of just checking it in if now is a better time and if you want to come on. The reason I felt at that time, the reason I felt Dean should have a fair chance to come on is because I do have a lot of 102.1 personalities on my show because that's the station I listened to throughout the 90s. So I have, by definition, I suppose, I've had many people on the show who have worked with Dean Blundell. If I have somebody like a Todd Shapiro or a Jason Barr or a blind Derek Welsman or Josie Dye, I'm just running off these names off the top of my head, Adam, Adam Ricard, of course, Danny Stover.

If I have somebody like that on the show, I will ask about Dean Blundell. But I do that with every episode. I ask about these Blundell, but I do that with every episode. I ask about these big personalities. I don't know if people have noticed, but when I have a 590 person on the show, I will typically ask about Bob McCowan. Okay. Same kind of deal. If I have a Q107 person on the show or somebody who worked cross paths with Derringer, I will ask about Don Derringer. I ask about the big personalities in Toronto Radio if you worked with them. I always do. So yes, of course, when I have Blind Eric on, I'm going to ask about Dean Blundell and Danny Stover. I'm going to ask about that and even Humble and Fred at some point in their several visits, I will have asked about Dean Blundell. The whole episode of Shapiro is not

about Blundell, but you can't have a one-on-one deep dive with Shapiro and not ask about his relationship with Blundell, because of course him and Barr were both let go before the show was canceled. Billy, that's another one. Billy from Mad Dog and Billy. She came on this show, and of course I asked her about working with Blundell, because I had heard the things Blundell said about her when she was part of Mad Dog and Billy, and they were pretty horrific things. So I think what Blundell's getting at with that comment about that I'd like to have, I have these guests on hundreds of times so I can ask them hundreds of questions about bullying Dean Blundell. I've now had many, many guests on the show by this point. I've had many

people come on and tell pretty bad stories about working with Blundell. This is not a positive experience for many of them. And they tell stories that are not kind to Blundell. And I always feel like it's only fair that Blundell has a chance to come on and defend himself and clarify things. It's only fair. So I did ask Blundell a second time if he wanted to come on the show. And again, he said no. And then I let it go until this is only pretty recently, I think in the summer.

Blundell wrote some blog entry about how he had quit drinking, he had cleaned up, and he was no longer consuming alcohol. And he was the new dean. This is just prior to this, obviously it all ties in in a minute. It's just prior to this podcast that we're listening to from Blundell. So Blundell had cleaned up

and was sober and was new and improved. And I wrote him a nice note, which he's going to talk about soon. So maybe I'll let him talk about it. I'm not interested, but thank you. Very nice. And so he asked me again this week

because we did our first podcast, talked about some important things in my life. And he said, hey, I'd love to have you on my podcast. And then he says, please say yes. Okay, coming in to say I have this email. I don't delete any emails that I send. And I did not say, please say yes. That is fiction.

So because I like getting back to people, I waited a week because I forgot. And then on my way down, I thought, oh, you know what? Maybe I'll kill two birds with one stone. We can invite this guy on. Uh, he can do a podcast with us here and I'll give him the audio to play on his site. And he said, uh, I don't, I don't know. I don't think so. Well, I'll read you what he said.

He said, uh, he, he, he doesn't want to, but he would prefer if I came down to his, his studio in wherever he lives. And I said, I, not going to happen. Right. Because I don't. And it's not you mean because you know you just won't put that amount of effort. That's too much effort for free. Right.

So someone wants me to make that much of an effort so that they can get good content. I'm not doing anything for free. You could come off here as playing it like cool no really it's a lot like it's a lot of work listen i'm i got a 25 minute rule if i can't get to something within 25 minutes in my car i just won't do it unless someone gives me money if you could come to the place where i am going to be and doing that yeah i will do it with you yeah all right i'm gonna pause it there just so this email i wrote, and man, do I regret writing this email.

Because firstly, when I write an email to somebody, so my Gmail address to his, I actually am stupid. Am I stupid? I guess I'm stupid that I think it's a private correspondence. So I don't think that he's going to post it somewhere public or read it in public. Now, he hasn't read it so far. He's been paraphrasing it, but I can tell you what I wrote, which was, I said, uh, something to the effect of, uh, um, I heard that you, you cleaned up and that you're, uh, new and improved and I'm,

I'm pleased to hear it. And then I think I invited him back on the show and then I signed it off as I often sign my emails. I signed a hope you say yes, Mike. And that was it. And then as he's explaining now, he invited me to come on his show. And I told him the truth, which is that's not that's not how Toronto Mike works. He's got to come in. I do the I do these things in my studio and we can look each other in the eye and have a one-on-one honest deep dive, some real talk as I call it. And I didn't care to come on his show so he could kind of edit it and curve it up and take it out of context and belittle me and make me look stupid. The whole point of my show is it's unedited and I can't curve it up and make you look stupid because the way it plays out is exactly as it happened in the room.

And of course, I'm not out to get anybody anyways, so that's never a concern. But here's more Dean. If not... And I thought it was a... I thought what it was was an olive branch to this guy because he's been ruthless with me for years. Like a lot of bloggers are where they're oh

this guy sucks that guy sucks it's like this doesn't like you it sounds like he doesn't like your show and there was a lot of people that didn't like your show not many but anyway so he he's he's there was a lot more people not listening to you than there were listening to you and i we agree to disagree so this guy's chasing me down and he any any and he's asked me a hundred times to be on his podcast and i and i keep saying no so i i offer him this opportunity to listen you can come on our podcast ask your questions our podcast i'll get it is it's our podcast dan do you get that 33 percent matt dude i get 33 of the same 33 you get i guess that's true we're're dividing nothing equally.

Zero plus zero is zero. Divide zero by zero all you want. You'll still get the zero. I was asking myself that question because we were texting back and forth today. Okay, so everybody in? And as I'm coming in, I'm like, in for what? I'm like, what the fuck are we doing? Zeke, in for free.

Oh, I should tell you the rather reasonable sounding person that's co-hosting with dean blendell is a gentleman named zeke myers and i believe he owns or runs the rebel uh nightclub uh in the portlands there and throughout actually i found him to be fairly reasonable like uh you know he kind of he clearly doesn't know who I am or anything about my show, which is A-OK, because I would also say

more people don't know who Toronto Mike is or about Toronto Mike than know, that is for sure. But he seems kind of balanced and fair throughout, even though he's obviously

a good friend of Dean and co-hosting Dean's podcast. But it literally is one of the only things I do for fun. Yeah. And I don't is one of the only things I do for fun. Yeah. And I don't even know why. You do other things for fun.

But I don't even know. But I make time for this, and I don't really even know why. Because we're friends and it's a good time. Yeah, it's fun. Yeah. It's just fun. It's the only way I'll do stuff, and it was under 25 minutes for me to get here.

But it's out of character fun for me. I literally don't do stuff like that. Like anything performance-wise or public. I'm really proud of you and your stance here, but can I finish my story? So this guy asked me to be on his podcast. Hi, Lisa. I've said no thanks.

Hi, Lisa. How are you? And so anyway, to make a long story short, I say to him, listen, you can come on my podcast. You can put the audio on your thing if you like. Yeah. And so this guy who's been chasing me around. You were going to read it. He's been saying all kinds of shit.

Well, it's not even worth it. It's too much work, Zeke. I'm not getting paid to do that. But it's factual. You'll be reading something factual. Do you want me to read something factual? Well, it's factual rather than. Because I don't want you to end up slamming i'm not slamming the guy okay uh this is from mike i heard the new episode very good how about how about god damn it how

about dropping uh all these things come up when it says you want the wi-fi do you like the phoenix wi-fi how's the wi-fi how about droppingFi? How about dropping by for an episode of Toronto Mic'd to chat about the new you, ETC? Hope you say yes. I said, Mike, we are podcasting at noon today. You can join us by phone if you like. Ask your questions, and we will share the audio with your site. He says, this is pleasant. Very kind.

Very kind. A lot of things have been called. Very kind is not one of them so i enjoyed those two words um yeah coming chiming in to talk about how ruthless i am he called me ruthless and wow if i'm ruthless i never never personally attacked the guy i said he's not my cup of tea i doubt that's ruthless there's a lot of broadcasters in this city that aren not my cup of tea. I doubt that's ruthless. There's a lot of broadcasters in this city that aren't my cup of tea. But in this correspondence, I'm glad Zeke asked him to read it because the paraphrasing by Dean is,

oh my God, is it just not hyperbolic, but just full of lies just to make me seem like some kind of an asshole. But at least now that he's reading it, yes, my response to the offer to have me seem like some kind of an asshole but at least now that he's reading it like yes my response to the uh offer to have me come on his podcast instead of him him coming online authentically was very kind like that's a very kind gesture uh and let's see what else i say but i'm recording an episode at noon and i really prefer to have the guests over in person please

let me know if you change your mind p..S., do you think you can unblock me on Twitter? Yeah, I'm sorry. For me to kind of, whatever, part of my role at Toronto Mike is, yeah, I do kind of report on where people are, radio personalities are ending up and stuff. And I don't know, if something goes down with the morning show on Virgin, I'll do a tweet or an entry or something about that. And that's what I do. And the fact that when people like to subtweet Dean a lot, this would happen. They're subtweeting Dean and they'll say something like, oh, here's big news from Dean, but I can't read the damn tweet because Dean has blocked me forever. So yes, I did

throw in a PS. Again, I think I'm having a private correspondence here. I threw in a PS at the end of that email if he could unblock me on Twitter because it's a pain in the ass when you have these subtweets and you can't read them. And I think others who are blocked by people like that will

empathize. Anyway. blocked by people like that will empathize. Anyway, so I say, well, we can move it to 1115 and move you up. That's the best I can do. So then he takes the hard pass. He goes, I appreciate it, but I'm going to pass. Good luck. I root for all podcasters. A rising tide lifts all boats.

I don't even know what that means. I think that's clear. And the fact he doesn't know what that means. I think that's clear. And the fact he doesn't know what that means is, you know, take that for what it's worth. But true, true. Even if you're not my cup of tea, I actually would like you to be podcasting and have a successful podcast.

This is true because it really, especially a podcasting, a rising tide does float all boats. The more people who learn what a podcast is and how easy it is to subscribe to the syndicated content, that's another person who could potentially subscribe to your podcast. They've now put their toes in the ocean and then they're ready to dive in. So I sincerely believe that line is true. I believe it to be true that if Dean Blundell has success with

podcasting, it's good for all podcasters. Positive. Sure. I said, anyway, should you be able to do a cast all in a range of time to maybe come to you near in the future? Good luck. And that's what I said, which I won't because it's too far. But that was me saying,

yeah, I'll do yours if you do mine with no intention of doing his and i just thought i should be rigorously honest there that's all and i knew that which is why i took a hard pass because when when i invite someone on and they say oh you come on mine uh i don't i just didn't trust that he would actually come on mine and i didn't want to go in his arena when i don't trust him at all as far as I can throw him. So yeah, I took the hard pass. I'm glad I took the hard pass. And that should have been it, to be honest. That was the last time I corresponded with Dean Blundell and that really should have been it. I did not foresee this recording. I didn't see it coming, which is why I'm now talking about Dean, because he's kind of attacked

me, and all I'm going to do in this little subscriber only episode is rebut. I never had an intention of doing this podcast. Because what happens is this. A lot of people will take the things that we say. You have a dizzying intellect.

I'm sober. This started with Jerry D, right? Are you going back are you going yeah he called me today now he's gonna come do a podcast with us okay um my kid prank called him that's why it was a funny story oh really yeah yeah yeah did he because we called me before did he but not prank called me just dial dialed my number and i heard your ex-wife disciplining your child yeah probably and over this whole conversation seriously your ex-wife pickedining your child. Yeah, probably. And over this whole conversation. Seriously? Your ex-wife picked up the phone and she went,

Zeke, have you been listening the whole time? When was this? Oh, years and years ago. He just hit my number on your phone, right? Did she sound annoying? No, she laughed at the end of it. She's like, oh, I'm so sorry. He must have been playing with the phone or something.

Yeah, and if you weren't on the phone she wouldn't have said that she would have you would have heard screams of pain oh I'm just joking come now children of the beast be strong and shout at the devil Motley Crue referencing Motley Crue today very good I mean wearing the

t-shirt anyway so that was my point is that I'm trying to get Jerry on this. I'm not even trying. He just said, hey, I'll come and do a podcast with you next week. Well, that's what I mean. But then this guy, like, it's funny how this guy thinks that I'm going to drive like an hour to sit down with him and have him grill me when he's treated me like shit, apparently,

and I just found this out a couple of years ago for like 20 years. I don't know. Dean might want to check his sources that he just found out that for 20 years I've been treating him like shit because it's mind boggling how false that is. So that's the role of a critic, I guess. You start this. He's not a critic. He's a guy that rides his bike and podcasts. He's a bike riding podcast.

We're guys who drive cars and podcasts. We do it because it's fun. It's cute. And he is enjoying doing a podcast on things. And he has, obviously with Toronto Mike being his handle, he is trying to, in his podcast, be Toronto-centric in the things that are popular in the city of Toronto.

So probably also things that are controversial in the city of Toronto probably also things that are controversial he uses it to get free stuff in the city of Toronto I use it to get free stuff all right coming in again because Dean has said this now a few times that I'm used Toronto Mike calm to get free stuff

Wow is that a lot by the way quick quick before I forget I said Zeke was uh running the rebel it's actually the phoenix the phoenix concert theater zach myers is a partner in that enterprise and the book are there so i just want to correct that mistake i made but the whole idea that toronto mic.com exists to get free stuff a couple couple of things. One is, um, I don't get much free. Honestly, I don't get much free stuff.

Like there's not much free stuff going on. I guess I borrow a car once in a while. Uh, although now GM is closing up, who knows what that's going on, but I, from Ford or whatever, I'm trying to think of what other free stuff I've had in the last couple of

years and not too much. Maybe the odd wolf pack match. Do I think about the amount of uh time i've put into toronto mic.com since you know the late 90s if i added it up that is a lot of effort to get free wolf pack tickets that's all i'm saying there ordinarily controversial in the city of the toronto in city of toronto no i wasn. The other people around you will do his podcast, so of course it's pro them and anti you. So I don't blame him on any of that stuff.

It's just... Dude, literally all he did is have on people like Howard and Fred who would just shit on me, and then Todd who would shit on, but only passively shit on me and say the story's coming when there's no story. Right. Okay, I don't think Dean knows what literally means, because he just said,

literally what I do on this podcast is I have literally all I do in 412 episodes for over six years, literally all I do is I have Humble and Fred and Todd Shapiro on my show to shit on him. This isn't Toronto Mic'd, apparently. This is the Dean Blundell sucks podcast. And heck, maybe that would be a more successful podcast. Who knows? But if we added up the minutes spent talking about Dean Blundell out of the whole universe of Toronto Mike, that's a remarkably small percentage. one time and Josie Dye came on the one time and Humble and Fred came on several times and Blind Derek came on once and Danny Stover came on twice and in those episodes yes we do at some point talk about Dean Blundell um or Danny our old producer um two shit it's just and it was this

long line at this stage of my life we go back to that uh mike boone podcast we had earlier i don't trust the guy right so i'm not i'm only gonna do stuff with people i trust it was toronto mike you were talking yeah where someone spends you know lots of time uh defaming you and slandering you and you look the other way it's the same thing with howard and fred spends a lot of time doing what you used to do. No, because it's the pussy's way to do it, right? Like if you're going to call someone something, at least stand there to their face

and call them something. You did it on timeout. If you're going to record a podcast for public consumption in your sober state that you will then share on DeanBlundell.com and release to the masses, hoping as many people as possible listen to it. All I ask is that before you make these grandiose, bold statements of fact, you spend even 30 seconds researching whether you're right or not. It wouldn't take long to realize, oh, that podcast doesn't actually exist

to relentlessly go at me. I mean, what kind of narcissist are we dealing with here? The most minimal or even talk to somebody who actually listens to Toronto Mike. What is Toronto Mike about? Is this a big gotcha for Dean Blundell? What is it? It would take so little time to realize that's all nonsense. And there isn't, this is not a relentless pursuit of him and the blog Toronto Mike.com, which has probably 15,000 different entries that I've written over the last, you know, 15 plus years probably talks about Blundell maybe in 10 of them maybe.

And maybe one time the Dean substitute. No, it was, yeah. The one about Strombo filling in, that's probably the harshest I got in terms of criticizing his work. And again, all I say is that he's not my cup of tea.

The radio. Yeah, because no one could get me. Yeah. I was going to say, I don't remember you. And I'll still do it. And the Biebs. No, no, no. Hanging out and you delivering those blows face to face.

I know. See, there's a lot there that I wouldn't go down that road anymore. What you just said, I wouldn't. There is so much meat on that bone of that comment. I would never, ever, ever take it there. Right. But you want to. Oh, so bad.

Yeah, he sounds like a changed man. Apparently, it was all the alcohol. But I'm fighting this. He sounds like a changed man. Apparently, it was all the alcohol. I'm fighting this. I'm being evil. I'm just prodding you. I'm fighting. Dance, monkey.

Once again, I could do a lot with that, too. So my point was is that I definitely have been. Listen, I'm not a happy, feely, oh, everybody lets be friends guy. Don't get me wrong. I still have boundaries and barriers up. Like the stuff with Fred and Howard. It's crazy I forgot their names. Because they don't particularly matter to me.

But these guys verbally chased me down and took sound bites, I guess. I don't, you were the one that informed me of it a couple of years ago. And then they asked me to be on their podcast. Well, fuck no. I'm not doing that. It doesn't mean you have to be a doormat if you're a nice person, right? I don't think you proclaim yourself a nice person. I don't think you know if you're a nice person. No, no, no.

What did you just say? This incredibly warm, kind, nice person. That's what my wife said. Yeah, but you know me to be that too. I am. And I need to square that more with this so these boundaries that i have are you know i watched when i don't want you walking around saying zeke myers describes me as an incredibly warm nice person i do not want to be quoted as honest god think i would ever say that in public yeah

so guys i just want to set the record guys like that guys like howard and uh sorry what's his name mike and then guys like todd and i've watched guys like these i have an unfailing desire to never compromise myself unfailing you will never that that is one thing that will never the word unfailing is very strong big Big time. Never compromise myself is ambiguous. No, it's not. I will never compromise what I know and believe to be the right thing. And the right thing is if someone keeps coming after me, I'm not going to help them. I'm not going to give them that time.

A guy like, you know, and I've had these conversations with various maybe possible employers in the future. Would you work with Todd again? Absolutely not. Absolutely not. Because there was a Rubicon that was crossed. And it was, you know, threats and all this. Yeah, it's a river. It's a Rubicon river.

And it ran right through it? No, that's a Robert Redford movie. It's a river runs through it. A boring movie. Brad Pitt sat there forever, wouldn't eat his dinner. It was a great movie. Anyway, so I won't associate with those guys. It doesn't mean I have to hate them because I don't hate them.

And it also doesn't mean I have to wish them all the success in the world either. But I'm not like I watched guys like, you know, Howard and Fred. Fred would come in and say awful stuff about Howard. Todd would say awful stuff about Howard. No, listen. No, listen. And Howard and Fred, Fred would come in and say awful stuff about Howard. Todd would say awful stuff about Howard. No, no, listen, no,

no, listen. And Howard and Fred, and then, and then they would say stuff about other people. All right. This part is not about me, but it does kind of speak to the character of the man speaking,

which is that it seems like his goal with this rant is to like cause chaos. I would say he's trying to put some something between, you know, again, full disclosure, Humble and Fred were at my wedding. I consider them both personal friends. I've helped them with their podcast, which has been well-documented. And I'm actually going to see them tomorrow morning. And I root for their success, of course. I feel like I'm a part of that show.

And they have been on several times. So I consider them personal friends. But that part there, this whole idea of, you know, Fred talks shit about Howard to me privately behind Howard's back. Dean's putting this on a podcast right now. Like, he wants that out there. This whole, you know, Todd, he's trying to, I guess, divide and conquer.

Is that the term I'm looking for? He's trying to polarize. All he's trying to do is cause chaos. He wants to damage Humble and Fred's relationship. He wants to damage their relationship with Todd Shapiro. It's actually

pretty fucking gross. And then after everybody left, they all got together and magically they were friends. Magically, they're all friends shitting on me.

That's not those three. That's this industry, man. No, but it's the quality of character. It makes Strange Bedfellows for sure. Misery Loves Company, right? Well, I don't know if it's Misery Loves Company. No, but it's the quality of character. It makes strange bedfellows, for sure. Misery loves company, right? Well, I don't know if it's misery loves company.

No, it is. To the point where even the same... No, I don't know if they do. But to the point where the same thing, you know, it's... I had heard... Someone told me that this guy used to work with Jason and Todd had become great friends. And I thought, that's...

You know, if I only toldason what todd said about his wife and kids when he wasn't looking oh god you're doing it right now holy shit okay and bad props to zeke who i don't know at all never met for you can almost hear in his voice like he's sitting there and he's like am i enabling this guy this this narcissist uh so good on you, Zeke. Well done. But what I'm hearing there, talk about the polarizing, dividing, causing chaos. He's now basically, obviously, he's, again, all allegedly, and we already know he's said many, many big lies on this podcast. So I wouldn't believe anything he said, to be honest. But he is suggesting that in private, Todd Shapiro has said horrible things about Jason Barr's wife

and children. And again, I don't believe that anything Dean says is true. But in a world where that is true, and that was said privately, who puts that on a podcast that's being recorded for public consumption? Remember, I didn't hack into his voicemail and grab his voicemails. I'm not reading his emails. This is not a secretly recorded conversation because somebody was wearing a wire. This is Dean and Zeke in a studio recording an episode of Dean Blundell's podcast that he could share with the Dean Blundell faithful and the masses on DeanBlundell.com. And again, he's completely clean and sober. And as he says in this episode, he's been sober for months. completely clean and sober and as he says in this episode he's been sober for months and he apparently has realized uh that you know to be a nicer guy he's had this epiphany of some sort so this is actually after he stops drinking and decides to be a nicer guy that's what we're

hearing now and he's trying to make jason barr that Todd Shapiro is talking, who knows, saying who knows what about his wife and kids. And that's fucking gross. No, because I couldn't do that. I couldn't look at someone that I was shitty to behind their back or not. Couldn't do it. And so I have a barrier and i have a line that that is not going to be part of my life and i'm going to focus on such a slippery slope look at the end of the day i don't listen i listened to todd's show when a fan wrote a note with a link to a section of Todd's show. I didn't. And it was, are you guys going to respond to this?

So naturally, you press play. And I pointed it out to you. And at that time, and this is two years ago, we both said no. Like, why would we even talk about this? So I just sent an email back to the person who had ask the question saying no like can we do a podcast yeah it's nothing about todd it's nothing about yeah and if people don't like what if people want to say what we're doing is terrible okay they're you know's fine. It's absolutely fine. And I don't think you and I are here to be great.

No. I don't think this, and for anybody who's listening, if we've kept you this whole time and you've had the thought that this was the pursuit of greatness. No. You've been grossly misled and I'm terribly sorry. I apologize for wasting hours of your time you know it's funny too that you bring that up because you know you have people because of deanblundell.com

and and it's been according to page views very successful yeah but according to balance sheets I haven't sold it because I have no desire to sell it. But is it, are you enjoying it? Love it. Done. Love it. That's it. Love it. That's it.

So why do we have to respond to any of this stuff? Or use it as content? Well, take it out. Yeah, like I just wonder why you... Because I, you know why? Because, well, then don't take it out. But the reason why is because i i want people to know that as nice as i am incredibly nice

i also have a very hard line when it comes to people's lies and people's bullshit and hypocrisy which was the original so do you see how i've come full circle you know have you ever unintentionally been hypocritical? Not that I know. It's never been pointed out to you? Nope. I have. I don't know. I have had an opinion on something

and then had a different opinion later. That's called evolution. And been pointed out that, you know, or that me doing this is very similar to something that i'm criticizing yeah like yeah okay oh i guess i am so i don't think you have to be evil to be hypocritical i think you can learn from your own hypocrisy and for me in this whole this whole conversation is like who cares i think it's funny that somebody who bashes you said, hey, you should come on the show.

Yeah, that was the point. Why don't you come on the show? But that was, I'm not bringing any of these guys up to get on the backs of their enormous success since they've all left radio. It's a weird thing to say. But what I'm saying is that there's a reason why I'm not doing the dude's podcast.

And there's a reason why. It's schizophrenic dude's podcast. And there's a reason why. It's schizophrenic, right? Like outside of this world, outside of talking behind somebody's back. Yeah. Think of it in clear conversational context, right? You're a loser. You're terrible.

Do you want to hang out? Yeah. I hate. I'm just chiming in again. I've already been clear that i actually didn't do uh you're a loser and i didn't even do you're terrible i think i did your your show is not for me which is true heck this podcast i'm listening to now as i record it it's not for me either but um the hangout part i just want to address that. And I have to book, I don't have to,

I want to book guests on my show. So all the time I'm inviting people and scheduling them. This is actually the hardest part of the Toronto Mic'd experience is wrangling the guests and getting them to confirm. I have a phone call with Maestro Fresh West later today for something I'm working on. And there's a bunch of balls in the air all

the time when it comes to guests and scheduling and stuff like that, and invitations and stuff like that. And who I want on, it's people I'm interested in talking to, but not necessarily people I'm fans of. There are definitely guests I've had on and guests I will have on that I wouldn't say I'm a fan of their work. I think they'd be an interesting episode. So when I invited Dean three times, it wasn't because I was a fan of his work. It was because I think it would be an interesting discussion because we could do some real talk. We could talk about the 102.1 experience. We could talk about the whole fan thing. We could talk about, again, on that third email that he read part of, we could talk about his newfound sobriety. And I could ask him, like,

does, you know, about things that he said publicly. It would be interesting. So I'm not actually doing a whole, like, that's, there's no hypocritical nature here. It's all very authentic and straight up real talk in that it's not you suck, you're terrible, let's hang out. I don't have any desire at all to hang out with Dean Blundell. And after I heard this recording he did with Zeke, I lost any inkling of desire to have him on Toronto Mic'd. There won't be a fourth invitation to Dean Blell to come on toronto mic if he's always welcome to write me uh my dms are open my email address is on torontomike.com anybody can write me and i read everything and i pretty much reply to everything i think so uh dean's always welcome

to write me an email and i will read it and write back but there will be no instigation by me in this regard that's done it you I've hated you for 20 years can you help me with my podcast yeah yeah no right now with that was the same thing when those guys asked us to be heard in it that is worth investigating it's schizophrenic almost and I say that

with no disrespect to people with schizophrenia or any type of multiple personality disorders. Any other differently abled. Or differently abled in any way. Yeah, it's not weird. And most definitely, again, you can't joke. There's people listening who have loved ones who are suffering from schizophrenia. And there's no joke in there. But just to use the word weird,

there is nothing weird about me having Dean Blundell on the show. Again, I'll watch 60 Minutes and you'll morally safer, whoever will have an interview with an evil dictator. This is not an endorsement. This is having a conversation about it.

You're talking to somebody who is, you know, newsworthy or interesting, not somebody who's to be celebrated and worshipped. Differently abled. That's differently abled. But I'm just giving context. It's not content. I'm giving context to what we're saying.

What we're saying. Cam agrees with me, right? I'm right again to what we're saying. Cam agrees with me, right? I'm right again. Thank you. I'm just giving context to that. You know, hey, this podcast, I've offered this guy the opportunity to come on this one because I'm nice. No, because you're lazy.

I don't necessarily disagree with that. But it's, listen, if you've been shitty to somebody in your life, don't expect them to help you. That's my point, right? If you've talked poorly about someone. But you're using the word help. And he's going to take issue with you using the word help. Why do you think he has people that have been in this industry on all the time? He's trying to have.

He's a paperclip. He's trying to have. He's a paperclip. He's trying to have content. Yeah. And does he provide great content? Or do the people he has on provide? His perspective on this city will provide great content when he battles it out with you or when he discusses things with you. That's why he won't come on this podcast because he doesn't want to battle it out. But that's what I mean.

It's less altruistic when he's like, whoa, whoa, whoa. I want to be the source. None of this makes any sense in the first place, though, because if you say somebody is a loser or a bad person or terrible... Or you try it, or a bully, all that stuff. Why do you want to hang out with them? Bully.

I don't know Dean Blundell. I never worked with Dean Blundell. I've never met Dean Blundell. I don't speak of things I don't know Dean Blundell. I never worked with Dean Blundell. I've never met Dean Blundell. I don't speak of things I don't know. When guests come on and they paint the picture of a workplace bully, that is the perspective of the guest. perspective and this is actually a core reason why i felt it was only fair that dean get an opportunity to come on toronto mic'd because yes several people had come on and uh basically painted a lousy picture of him and uh he's well with he should have the right to rebut uh he wasn't in the room when these things were said let him come in and we can we can talk about it but the help that word help um i never thought, oh, Dean will help?

I don't have this thought of, oh, that's going to get monster ratings. No, that's not really how the podcast world works. Maybe you get these one-and-dones, but I'm actually looking for subscribers who will kind of invest their time long-term and will be equally as likely to listen to I don't know an episode about Tom Thompson or the Tom Wilson episode

than they will when Dean Blundell comes on or whatever so I'm actually kind of looking at a more like long-term holistic approach to this thing and I'm not looking for some big bang that'll get me help as he says uh early on i think the first time uh i wrote him i was uh it was probably right after the shapiro thing because that was like early days of having guests on this show and i think at that time i was all like oh you know uh i gotta be all like 60 minutes here and give him a chance to come on or whatever but i've never really thought of when I asked Dean on is because I think he'd be interesting. But I have lots of people on. And if you go to Toronto Mike dot com and you click notable guests or notable episodes,

I think I called it at the top of the website. There is a nice, easy to browse list of people who have come on from Ron Mcon mclean to uh strombo to uh well dave hodge to roger ashby to uh dwight drummond and so forth uh to maestro fresh west so a lot of people come on i don't consider it help i just consider it part of the you know this passion project if if you will, the Real Talk experience. But back to Dean. That's weird. Because, you know why? Because people are weak. People are weak-minded.

And it's easy to be weak and look for friendship in misery. Dan, are you good at writing people off out of your life? If you just realized, oh, that's the way that person is. Can you live tomorrow on without that person? Yeah. Yeah. I've had to do that. Yep. Can you live tomorrow on without that person? Yeah. Yeah. I've had to do that. Yep.

Luckily not in the last 15 years, but. Do you enjoy it? No, it sucks. That's where we're different. I'm totally different. I'm fine with it. Yeah. Yeah.

Oh. That's why we get along. Yeah. It's a light bulb that goes off in your head. You're like, oh, take her user. What a great investment I've made in not allowing them to do that to me. I've invested in this as a relationship or friendship or employment or partnership or whatever i've invested in yeah oh i get it you're a taker you are going to try to win at our relationship and

i will not be taking advantage of it anymore and i don't i don't want to have any relationships that are based on winning no can. Can't win a relationship. Bingo. And that's the whole thing here is this. You have said you don't like this person. That's it. And I'm not going to change. That's the part that I, like, and you know the whole thing about grant me the serenity

to accept the things I can't change, the courage to change the things I can. I can. The wisdom. And the wisdom to know the difference. That's the thing, is that I have serenity in my life knowing that I can't change, the courage to change the things I can. The wisdom to know the difference between. That's the thing, is that I have serenity in my life knowing that I don't want hypocrisy or. So you have serenity now? Or weak-minded people.

Serenity now? Whoa. Seinfeld reference. Serenity now! Are you supposed to yell it? Serenity. It wasn't specific! Serenity now, insanity later.

Braun, you're hot! You're on fire, Costanza! Still the greatest show ever. But that, in closing, let me just point this out. Festivus. Is that, it's time for feats of strength. You and Dan have to wrestle. Um,

the airing of grievances. I love Seinfeld. Anyway, in closing, let me just say this is that you can become a better person and still have parameters that you live by because you are committed and convinced that the people that are faucets and there are people that are drains, right? The people that are drains won't get another faucet in their life that's worth it because all they do is take.

So you can decide to be a faucet or a drain in your life. And that's it, I think, in terms of there's a chunk. The reason there was a gap, you might have noticed an edit break earlier on. I had to carve out a big chunk where he went at, and I won't name the person or even the gender, so no one can figure this out, but he told a story kind of like when he was going at Humble, he was going at Fred, he was going at Todd, he was going at Jason, and he went at somebody else, and he made these statements that, uh, were more fucking gross than anything else you heard in that episode. And we're so like, basically I wasn't,

you know, he hosted that content in the public domain. I wasn't going to do that. So I carved it out, but more everything else was just basically the, the, the, uh, the conversation about yours truly. And I just wanted to respond. So again, a lot of fibs in there, a lot of lies, a lot of unfair statements and a lot of mistruths. And Dean Blundell is a popular public figure in the city and people will hear his podcast

and take his word for everything. And what am I, you know, so what was I left to do except what I just did here? So that brings us to the end of this unnumbered episode, which may disappear at any time. The reason I'm keeping it unnumbered

is so it can disappear into the abyss and nobody will be the wiser. But thanks for listening. And we'll be back with a regular episode. A Festivus is here. And I can't wait for a visit from Elvis for episode 413.