Toronto Mike'd: The Official Toronto Mike Podcast - FOTM Lexicon: Toronto Mike'd #1406

Episode Date: January 6, 2024

In this 1406th episode of Toronto Mike'd, Mike is joined by Cam Gordon and Tyler Campbell as they educate the masses on the glossary of terms that comprise the FOTM community. Toronto Mike'd is proudly brought to you by Great Lakes Brewery, Palma Pasta, Ridley Funeral Home, The Advantaged Investor podcast from Raymond James Canada and Electronic Products Recycling Association.

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Pillars of the community since 1921. Today, returning to Toronto, Mike, to educate the masses on the FOTM lexicon, is Cam Gordon and future FOTM Hall of Famer, Tyler Campbell. Wow. Sneak preview. Welcome. Amazing.

Welcome to Toronto Mic'd. How are you doing? Let's start with you, Cam. You came the furthest to be here. How are you doing? I'm great. Happy New Year. Happy New Year year can we still say that larry david said it was too late i think this is like the last day this weekend and then yeah back to reality next week back to life back to reality yeah well fotm jam yeah by the way not not to get into the robert

lawson territory but i want to actually fact check something I said. Last time I was here, I called, I said I had seen the guy from Soul to Soul at the AGO spinning on a Friday night and I called him Daddy G. That's actually the guy from Massive Attack. It was actually Jazzy B I saw. See, I'm glad you corrected yourself.

I'm here Robert Lawson myself. I've been getting emails. I know. Who said, somebody said on, I had the Zweig brothers over yesterday, Alan and Michael, and there was a lot of discussion about Randy Backman and Burton Cummings

and the whole thing. It's really an interesting episode, actually. But somebody commented that, you know, Robert Lawson's hiding in the bushes. And he just leaps out like a leprechaun. He's like the catch aa-predator guy. But I feel like we might. So I'm going to pass the mic.

Shout out to the Beastie Boys. I'm going to pass the mic to the VP of sales. I'm not calling you VP of no sales, okay? You've sold. This could be the year. I have an opening. I know. Mineris was not replaced.

I had something brewing and it got delayed. And it's not too late if you want to jump in. Contact me directly. And then I don't have to compensate to the sales. But Tyler Campbell, you're going to tell us what this special episode is all about. But first, how are you doing? I'm well, thank you. Happy New Year to both of you.

Good to see you. Good to see you. It was a too short holiday season for my taste. This week was a busy one back at it, but very happy to be here. It's a weird one when everyone's back at it and the kids are still off school. It's a weird week there where it's like,

the kids are still home, but you're trying to get back to some kind of business normalcy. The kids are all right. That's not the guest here. Or the offspring where the kids aren't all right absolutely

I actually like that song like there I like the offspring quite a bit during the smash years or whatever and even the what is it

Ixnay on the ombre I quite liked but then they did that whole oobla dee oobla da thing and just a pretty fly

for a white guy which I hated like it was terrible yeah but then I felt like with that song I said okay there's a white guy, which I hated. It was terrible. Yeah. But then I felt like with that song, I said, okay, there's a little bit of what I liked about the office.

I was on shattered dreams. Like that one. You have a great voice. Okay. VP of sales. Yes, sir. Tyler Campbell.

Hi, please establish the premise. It's a very different episode. We're going to get cooking. We're going to, it's not just us talking about the swag brothers for 90 minutes. There's a reason for this episode. And we have many names. We were going to get cooking we're going it's not just us talking about the Zweig brothers for 90 minutes there's a reason for this episode and we have many names uh we were going to call it uh TMU lexicon TMU that means Toronto Mike universe by the way maybe

that's part of this but TMU uh glossary of terms then I thought it should be FOTM lexicon maybe it's FOTM glossary of terms the mic is yours yours. Thank you. So yeah, it's a very, I think, important episode because there's a lot of inside baseball that happens on these episodes and the discussion around these episodes. So someone may be coming into the TMU, the Toronto Mic Universe, for the first time, could be a little intimidated by some of the terminology some of the the phrases that get thrown around so we wanted to kind of break that down for everybody go back to the beginning kind of define what these things are uh and uh and and in some cases uh i've pulled clips of the origins of of these terms so we can listen to those and uh how many terms do you have in total, Gito? So I have

10 clips, plus I have kind of a handful, maybe another 10 or 15 that are sprinkled throughout. And Cam is here to react, so I gotta be clear though. Cam and I don't know what's coming. These clips, much like when Al Grego visits, you number the clips, I loaded

them in, I have not played them. So when you ask for clip number two and I play it, I'm hearing it, I don't know, I'm hearing it You numbered the clips. I loaded them in. I have not played them. So when you ask for clip number two and I play it, I'm hearing it. I don't know. I'm hearing it for the first time. And Cam is really cold because he didn't even get the clip. So this is a bit of like a bit of urban dictionary, a bit of that TV show, how it's made, a bit of audio book and explainer type

thing. Is that a little bit of mouth busters? Yeah, there you go. Yeah. So this should be required listening for anyone who's coming to the TMU. I love it. Fresh. Yeah. I love it. And it might be a refresher for people.

It's been 12 years and over 1400 episodes. Like this is a good refresher. Like we do inside baseball here because I do it intentionally. And then it is like you're, it's a new language and it can be intimidating for a new listener. Well, it's also, it morphs all the time. I mean, you know, one of the big events last year was sort of one of your favorite expressions and maybe we'll get to it but buffy bailed you know potentially takes on a whole new meeting absolutely depending on stuff that that happens okay well like without further ado okay the again the straw strain the drink in this episode 1406

is tyler campbell like i'd follow his lead. Okay. And then Cam, you and I react. Okay. So let's, let's dive in. We got a lot to cover. So there are some basic key terms that I wanted to start with. Um,

TMU is the first one, the Toronto Mike universe, not Toronto Metropolitan University. So that's a little confusing. Right. Let's clear that up. Yeah. Fuck them.

Yeah. Fuck them. It fucks up your SEO. It's, it's bullshit um but this the tmu is the world we live in centered around the show around you it extends out from the show to the not so secret whatsapp group to tmlx events all the fotms we'll talk about those things in a moment as well love it uh tmlx is these are the events that you hold

usually two or three times a year. There's usually one in the summer at Great Lakes Brewery. There's usually one in the winter around Christmas at Palma Pasta. And sometimes there's a secret, not so secret, park gathering. Or under a bridge somewhere. Those are actually

under the bridge. Those are unofficial TMLX events. That way that who's our only 100%er? We should point out Michael Lang. That's right. Those are unofficial TMLS events. That way that, who's our only 100%er? We should point out. It's Michael Lang. It's fucking Langer. So Langer does not have to,

although he does often attend, but he does not have to attend the. Do you have something in the oven? I'm trying to drop my fucking ring. I got a new Google Pixel. Oh, right. And on my old phone, I would just,

it was a LG G8 or something. I'd pull down the top and then I'd click, I'd put it on the vibrate, for example, or silence. It's ironic. You speak of no sales, you no sold all those LG events

and you actually had an LG phone recently. I rocked the LG phone until they stopped making them. Like they don't make them anymore. That's why I had to change to a new phone. I'm on a Google Pixel. Life's good. They don't make them anymore. That's why I had to change to a new phone. I'm on a Google Play.

Life's good. All right. Sorry, Tyler. That's all right. This is going to happen throughout the show. FOTM is another very key term. Friend of Toronto Mike. Yes.

I did a deep dive over the holidays. I was trying desperately to find the origin of that term. I couldn't pinpoint it to a specific episode, but I think it started around the beginning of the pandemic. It showed up in- That recently? Yeah, it showed up in the comments of episode 600 where someone said,

I noticed that you've been talking about FOTM lately. What does that mean? Who was the- I think, well, 600 was the first Pandemic Friday. Oh, wow. Yeah. I think when you're doing first Pandemic Friday. Oh, wow. Yeah. I think when you're doing a Pandemic Friday, which was, people who might remember,

it was Cam Gordon and some guy named Stu Stone. Actor. Actor, director, wrestling manager. Rock and tour. Musician. Yeah, musician. Podcaster. I have his album right here,

Blowing Up with Jamie Kennedy here but that would be an episode where if the term existed we would use it early and often right so because you know because I listened to sort of the beginning of a bunch of the first 600 episodes while I was trying to find this and there

I couldn't find any mention of FOTM because you would usually say it pretty early in the episode okay so around 600 mention of FOTM because you would usually say it pretty early in the episode. Okay. So around 600. Around 600. The first FOTM KOTJ episode, so Friend of Toronto might kick out the jams episode where people send in songs that you want to play, I believe. There's one coming next week. That's right.

So the first one of those was episode 603. So around that time is when that term started being used pretty frequently. That's interesting. Now, here's a question I actually don't know the answer to. Do you know Tyler Campbell or are you Cam Gordon? Is it friend of Toronto Mike'd, apostrophe D, or is it friend of Toronto Mike'd? I always envisioned it as friend of Toronto Mike. Interesting. But I actually don't have an answer here.

I'm not sure which one it is. Well, to me, it's both. Maybe it's both. It's both. Good answer. The guests on your show are friends of Toronto Mike. Right. The people in the extended TMU in the WhatsApp group are friends of Toronto Mike. So it's both, really.

Mike, I have a question for you. So you've gotten a lot of press yourself. You've been in the Toronto Star. You've been in top trade outlets like Broadcast've had dialogue with connie tson uh who's who's also a contact of mine very nice person on cbc have you ever had to check when people have written about the podcast that they call this same deal the toronto mike podcast versus technically it's toronto my might mean, often they get it wrong. I mean, remember I was called podcast Mike. Right.

That organization is owned by Billboard. Or Toronto Dave, as my dad used to call it. I'll take that. Okay. Yeah. You know, and sometimes they spell Mike. I noticed a lot of people who should know better call it M-I-C apostrophe D. I see that quite a bit.

I'm like, no, it's never been M-I-C apostrophe D. That was the whole point was it was M-I-K-E apostrophe D. Shout out to FOTM Roz Weston. But Toronto Mike podcast versus Toronto Mike, the podcast. Like, I don't know. I'm not too like, I'm not too worried about it. I'll just find it. It's a clever turn of phrase.

Fair enough. So FOTM means both friend of Toronto Mike and Friend of Toronto Mike. And just to be clear, yes, all guests are FOTMs and that's often how we use it. But I actually use FOTM like when I go to a TMLX event and somebody's there

who's never been on Toronto Mike but listens and comes to the events, the people in the WhatsApp group we refer to, these are FOTMs as well. Friends of Toronto Mike. Yeah. Right, okay.

Good, I'm glad we're doing this. What about when you're lingering around the entrance of the Horseshoe Tavern just waiting to be feted by random people? What do they normally call it? Do you think that's why I'm lingering because I'm there and we're going to have a drink of great, we're going to have Great Lakes beer before we go inside.

The fact that people line up to meet Toronto Mike is not my problem. And then I leave because I have a chest infection and I can't watch Chunk House. And then the next week I have a chest infection and I can't watch Chunk House. And then the next week, I was sick for six days. I know. I still feel bad.

And then you and I, week in state, tried to host TMLX. We plowed through. Okay, so what we got so far, I've heard, what's TMLX? What's FOTM?

What's TMU? There's one more. Go ahead. Sorry. So there's one other just quick distinction on FOTM. There are levels within the the i don't even know if i know this fotm is sort of your your basic um you know everyone who's

who's in the universe is a garden variety exactly yeah right then you have a sweetheart oh okay i love it i for yes i love this so someone who is has really gone above and beyond for you or who lauren honickman Perfect example of a sweetheart. How about a Blair Packham? Blair Packham is a sweetheart. Who used to live with Michael Zweig. I got a text from him last night. Yes, that's a good example.

Steve Paikin is a sweetheart. Steve Paikin, total sweetheart. Apple? Is Apple a sweetheart? Apple's a sweetheart. Apple's a sweetheart, absolutely. Is Peter Groves a sweetheart? Yes, right.

For sure. Yes, there is that elite level. And that's different from the FOTM it is and what privileges come with that level I don't know

if you get 10% discount on the post let me ask you this Tyler would you say the sweetheart is that equivalent

to a term that Mark Hebbshire used with me early and often mensch a mensch sure like is a sweetheart

like a FOTM mench? Yeah, I think mench could be used in the same context. Those people are sweethearts and menches. So this is the goal to be an FOTM sweetheart? Yeah, you want to be a sweetheart or a mench. Now, Mike, what's the origin of that? Because I think of, when I think of a man calling another man sweethearts,

I automatically go to Don Cherry, not the jazz trumpeter, but the father of Nina Cherry and Eagle Eye Cherry. Exactly, former Bruins coach, Don Cherry. Well, Tyler, do you know? I actually don't. I think I wanted to take it back. I think I felt there was this negative connotation

of being a sweetheart thanks to Don Cherry and others. And I feel a sense of reclaiming it. No, Sweethearts are good. These are good people. You want to surround yourself with sweethearts. FOTM sweethearts are even better. Yeah. There are probably very few FOTMs who are not sweethearts.

Certainly there are some. Is Mark Weisblatt a sweetheart? Oh yeah. He's a sweetheart. Of course he is. The cuddly one, El Grego. Okay. There's a lot of sweethearts. There are. Totally. But then of course the upper echel cuddly one, El Grego. Okay, there's a lot of sweethearts. There are, there are. Totally. But then, of course, the upper echelon, of which there are only five, is the FOTM Hall of Fame. Ooh.

Who's in the FOTM Hall of Fame right now? So we're sitting with one, Cam Gordon. Wow, congrats, Cam. Huge, thank you. We have Stu Stone, of course. First while host of Toast. We have Mr. Mark Weisblatt, 1236. Well-deserved.

Yeah. Peter Gross, of course. Absolutely. Sweetheart. And then Retro Ontario is the fifth. Ed Conroy. Ed Conroy. One concern I have is that we have five white guys.

There's a lot of white dudes. And I am aware of this diversity issue. There are some worthy entrants to the Hall of Fame, but I suspect you might be holding back. There might be about a hundred worthy entrants that are all white guys. And I'm hesitant to make the next FOTM Hall of Famer another white guy.

Yeah, and fair enough. So I'm working on it. That's one of my things. Just while we're doing the initials before we get to the clips, TMDS. Right, yes, I do have that on my list here. Okay, sorry. That's okay the initials before we get to the clips. Yeah. TMDS. Right. Yes. I do have that on my list here.

Okay. Sorry. That's okay. That's fine. Hosting the show. That's okay. TMDS. That's why I tried to take over my show yesterday and I didn't like it.

When you do it, I like it. That's because you're a sweetheart. Well, you asked me to. So yeah, TMDS is the engine that makes the TMU tick. It's your company, Toronto Mic Digital Services or Toronto Mic Digital Services? Toronto Mic Digital Services or Toronto Mic Digital Services? Toronto Mic Digital Services. The name that's actually registered with the Canadian business, whatever, is TMDS.

Okay. So I happen to know it stands for Toronto Mic. Is it registered under your real name, like your birth name, or under Toronto Mic? No, it's I'm the sole proprietor of the business named TMDS. So when I don't know, when Palma Pasta cuts a check, the check is to TMDS. And then it goes into the TMDS. So when, I don't know, when Palma Pasta cuts a check, the check is to TMDS

and then it goes into the TMDS business account. Is it an ink incorporated? not yet. Not yet. It's sole proprietorship.

Now, my accountant and I have, this is very inside baseball, we've had multiple conversations about whether

it should be incorporated or not. But as we fly today, I am the sole proprietor of TMDS. Okay, well, that's very good to know. And Mike, I know I've asked you this,

but maybe the listeners, have you, because I thought of this when Zoomer Media bought BlogTO and Daily Hive, and then they bought the Peak newsletter. And that got me thinking, has anybody ever said, hey, name your price? No, no. I think I would talk about that on the show.

One thing is, other than like, I don't know any health things and things that are just simply not fit for public consumption sure whatever all of my health things i talk about do you know i popped a pill at 9 30 a.m when i heard um when i heard neil young on my phone i popped a blood thinner like i've talked very openly and honestly about that sure but uh i think if i did have somebody come to me and say name your price i would talk about it on the show to be honest. Sure. But no one's done that.

Interesting. Yeah. Moses. What is my price, by the way, Cam? What should my price be? I don't know.

Like that's, that's, it's an interesting question because I mean. 300 bucks, 400 bucks? You, you obviously,

yeah, no, yeah, I don't know. Let's, let's talk about that. Yeah, we'll talk about that offline.

Yeah, that could be a whole other episode. The phone company might be making a bid later today. Totally. We'll talk about that offline. The phone company may be making a bid later today. Totally. We'll see. So yeah, TMDS has obviously the Toronto

Mic'd podcast is the flagship show of the TMDS network. But then you have other clients as well. You have Humble and Fred. You have On the DL with Dana Levinson. You have Toronto Scoop with our friend Rosie. You have Running Things with Donovan Bailey. It's a wide stable of clients that you have. And I'm excited to announce next week the return of Mary Jo Eustace.

Oh, yes. And new episodes coming of Senior Witches. Fantastic. Love it. Excellent. Love it. So those are sort of my basic sort of starter terms that everyone should know. Do you think I missed anything there?

No, I think, you know, what did you think? Go ahead, Kim. Did I miss anything? Tip of the hat to you. All right. Well, let's dive into the important phrases. All right. So throughout the history of the show, there have been a number of phrases that have become

a part of, you know, the overall canon. Things that get hashtagged on social media things that get repeated at tmlx events referred back to by listeners right so i've pulled some clips that tell the origin story of of a few of these phrases which again are essential knowledge of uh for any anyone in the t in the tmu okay so you give you will you give context before i play and then you're gonna give to give me the shooter. The shooter. I will. Okay. So the first one is, uh, is one that we use pretty frequently.

Uh, and it's a hashtag S O R F H shout out to Ridley funeral home. So this is what we say, uh, instead of RIP, which is, I think we're what we used to say when, uh,

when a celebrity, for example, would die. Uh, now we say S O R F H shout out to ridley funeral home um you say it you kind of sneak it in anytime on an episode when you talk about someone who's died and the guests i find the guests don't even notice that you say something like stonewall i dropped it yesterday yeah so i it's one of my favorites um are they talking about like a loved

one okay well there's a time place. So the first clip we're going to hear is from episode 973, which is the Festivus episode from December 2021. And right off the top of that episode, you coined this phrase that has really become, I think, part of the heartbeat of the TMU. Ironically. So if you want to play the first clip for us, please. ironically so if you want to play the first clip for us please my sincere condolences last time you were in my backyard I was giving you sincere

condolences shout out to Ridley funeral home I was because your father had passed away and you were very is that too fast so your father your dad died shout out to the funeral so uh and again again again my sincere condolences and you were can you really say sincere condolences i mean well that was i mean come on it's been over

a year like you know oh that's fantastic but i i that'll listen i'll listen to that over again wow i just went there okay so it's his dad which i'm surprised but it was a year i think i thought a year so he went on after that to talk about his dog who had just passed away um but you you started and looped back to his father you should have i was gonna say you should have played like the ramones pet cemetery i actually couldn't remember when Shout Out to Ridley Funeral Home started. I just know I do use it often.

If somebody's talking about somebody who's dead, I'll slip it in. They don't even notice. Like I just slip it in, right? Right. But Midtown Gord reminded me in the aforementioned WhatsApp group for FOTMs, Midtown Gord said he remembered the first instance.

Yeah, and big shout out to Gord because it would have been very hard for me to find it otherwise. Wow. That's wild. And I said he remembered the first instance. Yeah, and then big shout out to Gord because it would have been very hard for me to find it otherwise. Wow. That's wild. And I do think when I do drop the shout out to Ridley Funeral Homes, by the way, each of you, Tyler and Cam, I'm sending you home with a Ridley Funeral Home measuring tape.

Very exciting. Very topical. Looking at these with envy. Well, you've got one now. Thank you, Brad. You lucky son of a gun. Yes. Shout out to Ridley Funeral Homes. Was that Elvis or was that Peter Gross? That was envy. Well, you've got one now. Thank you, Brad. You're the lucky son of a gun. Yes. Was that Elvis or was that Peter Gross? Okay, it sort of sounded like Peter Gross. No, I think Peter's dad

died a long time ago, actually, sadly. But his mom is still well. Oh, yeah. Cooking for a dozen people and et cetera and living independently at 100 years old.

Love it. I loved Elvis's reaction there. Right. You know, it could have gone another way, but you know Elvis well, and I really enjoyed listening to that clip. What a moment starting TMLX 14.

There were four mics open, and I'm, of course, I get one. That's how it works at TMLX events. But sitting to my right is the Hall of Famer Cam Gordon, and then beside Cam was Elvis, who drove from North Oshawa for like 20 minutes or maybe less. And Stephen Brunt was on the other mic.

I thought that was a great way to start. Huge. That was cool. So all of us together there. The only way it could have been better is if I had a fifth mic for Tyler Campbell. Well, I got on with Stephen. I was excited to share the mic with Stephen.

I like Brunt's casual look too. I was very like, you know. He's just a guy. Like that's it. He's a beer drinking, you know, football watching, rock and roll show, go Hamiltonian. He's just a guy who summers in, you know, Newfoundland. He's just a guy. Murdering fish out of Newfoundland, as Bobcat would say.

Okay, we're off to a roaring start because you're right. Shout out to Ridley Funeral Home. In fact, I get worried. Like, what if Ridley Funeral Home doesn't renew their sponsorship? I can't stop that. I think they're sponsors for life, regardless whether you pay or not. If Ridley Funeral Home swoops in, sponsorship? I can't stop that. They're sponsors for life regardless whether you pay or not. If another funeral home swoops in, I don't know if I can change at this point. So I love it.

Shout out to Ridley Funeral Home. Great clip, Tyler. All right. Let's move on to the second one. This one is from one of probably the most infamous episodes of Toronto Mike. This is from 2018, episode 368, uh, Molly Johnson. Um, this is kind of a, a, a twofer because this was also the debut of future Mike. Oh, which is when who rarely appear rarely appears. He's maybe appeared a handful of times, probably fewer than five. Right. Um, but future Mike shows

up when something has gone awry, whether it's in this case with the demeanor of a guest or for why I sound so scared. Exactly. Or Carol Pope, I think, had some audio or technical issues. And so you had to sort of cut in to explain what was going on there. But this this is sort of the primo example of why Future Mike would show up. You did almost five and a half minutes of contextualizing before you got into the episode. Okay.

So we're going to hear that now. I'm almost scared to listen, but so let's, uh, let's queue it up. The, the, the phrase we're listening for here is read the liner notes.

Okay. I'm a massive fan. And of course we're going to talk about, uh, talk all about you and about your festival. I sound different than that, but you're scared. I'm actually,

my mouth is dry. I'm scared. My mouth is dry. I'm scared. Puckered. Your brother is in my favorite show of all time. In fact, there's a DVD set in front of you there that's from The Wire. I love The Wire. And your brother was in The Wire.

My brother was not only in The Wire, he created The Wire. He was the first director on The Wire. So, yeah, he did a little bit of acting in The Wire, but the reality and the real story there is that he actually directed The Wire. Well, I want the real story

here, so obviously we know him on the screen. He's Gus, season 5. Well, read the liner notes that you got apparently right here in this box. Maybe you should read the liner notes. I'm sure his name's in there somewhere. I had it here. Smacking it. So, yeah, okay, well, I just wanted to point out that.

He's awesome. I've got an awesome, awesome big brother. There's no question. He's always doing something interesting, and, oh, he's a great guy. And his name is Clark Johnson. Anybody's looking for the names here. And, by the way, my name's Molly Johnson. What the hell?

Yeah, so normally I go live to tape, but because of your time constraints, I'm going to put in the intro post, so you'll get a good, thorough introduction for sure. She fucking hated me, right? I can hear it now. I can now remove my... It's been many years.

I want to hear Cam's take on this. Was she here by herself or did she come with her publicist? No, by herself. Yeah. No, that was more uncomfortable than I remember. I love the...

Yeah, I had to admit. I'm actually... I can't tell you the feeling hearing that back because I haven't listened to it in a long time. Although it gets referenced to me all the freaking time.

But I hear in her voice just like disdain, like... Contempt. My name is Molly. Like as if I wasn't going to introduce her or something. And his name is Clark Johnson. I was starting the convo by saying your brother was in The Wire, which I actually loved. I legit loved The Wire.

I had the Bob course. And she's smacking the box, telling me to read the liner notes. Robert Lawson wants you to know her brother did not create The Wire. But he did direct the first four episodes. Totally. That's right. Which is huge. And he directed the finale. That's part of the convo. Yes, he directed the finale. We just lost Andre Brouwer and I was

realizing, of course, Clark was in Homicide Life on the Streets as well. He was. Yeah. It's a great show. Yeah, thanks for playing the Molly Johnson. So check the liner notes. Yeah. It's a great show. Yeah. Thanks for playing the Molly Johnson. So check the liner notes. Yes. And I want to hear, you know, from you and Cam.

I don't want to hog the mic on all these things, but I did receive at a very early TMLX event, Andy Pandy gifted me a t-shirt. I almost wore it now. I should be wearing it right now. It says, I read the liner notes and I kind of, the word read can be said two ways, right? I always interpret it as I read the liner notes. Like, so I wear this with pride and she bought me that because of the Molly Johnson episode,

which I still think is the most referenced episode of Toronto Mike of the 14 or six. Yeah. Oh, I was going to say to, as an homage to Michael Williams, like no read the liner notes. No, it's in the book. I'm sorry.

I feel like I might just be like... But that's okay. You are supporting. That's okay. No, all good. At the very end, we'll do a little bit of a house cleaning if you and I, Cam,

think Tyler missed anything. By the way, can I just make a comment? Because I think that... And this is almost like a sort of nuanced commentary on the universe. Stuff like this is get re-referenced

or there's sort of a constant talk about tears are not enough. I feel like if you're a casual listener, it almost seemed like this, like you're making fun of it or not. Like, but if someone's sort of been absorbing this content for years, you know, whether it's the wire or tears,

like it's coming from a place of like pure joy and i think like you love talking about this guest love talking about it yeah we love talking about in group chats it's i i think it's one of the great things about your your content like i say this with complete sincerity it's all like good vibes absolutely it really is like there's just oh yeah make no mistake i had molly over for one reason and one reason only which is i respect the shit out of her career and I think she's very talented and I wanted to talk to Molly Johnson. For sure. And you love The Wire and you love Clark Johnson.

Like there's no disrespect intended. Let's talk about it. Like I love that show. Infidels, all of it. Oh my god. Kumbaya Festival. That's why when you hear my voice and I can hear a shallower voice. I'm scared. That's why a you hear my voice and i i can hear i can hear a shallower voice like it's a i'm i'm i'm scared that's why i feature my throat yeah i know i'm like who's oh that guy sounds scared okay yeah so that's essentially because i that's the only time i can think of where a guest was sitting across from me and uh clearly hated my fucking guts like i can hear it in her voice

like you can hear it it's's drenched with this tool. I'm sitting in this tools basement having a conversation, and he didn't name my brother or me, and he's talking about Aretha Franklin on the day she died. Shout out to Ridley Funeral Home. Shout out to Ridley Funeral Home. Yeah. So yeah, that's a big one, and lots of value there.

So read the liner notes. Future Mike shows up, and lots of value there so read the liner notes future mike shows up and sort of some foreshadowing uh that uh there's a fact check that that needed to be done on molly and if only robert lawson had been around in those days right shout out to robert lawson so let's move on uh we still got a lot to cover um this next one uh doesn't need a lot of setup um it's something we talk about a lot this episode episode, I listened to a chunk of it in prep for this, and it's such a unique, fun

episode, just the way that you interplayed with this guest. So this is from episode 453 from 2019, Gino Vanelli. I love it. Ask me the question, we'll do wild horses. I was gonna actually

because I tried to go in chronological order I love it see what a different vibe than that last one such a cool version of it too so surreal

it's fucking crazy like Gino Vanelli like playing yeah like Wild Horse or sorry is this yeah Wild Horse

in the middle of spring now what did you want to know I want to know if you at the time regarded Black Cars as any sort of I joke said

don't call it a comeback can we get off Black Cars my god there's only half an hour more on Black Cars as any sort of, I joke that it's still called a comeback. Can we get off Black Cars? My God. There was only half an hour more on Black Cars before. We can move on to another cut from the same album here. I got more Black Cars questions. You know what?

You're breaking my heart, Gino. Can we get off Black Cars? I'm going to wake up in the middle of the night tonight in a cold sweat. Did Gino really say that? You remind me of my parish priest. Get off of it, I said. That's amazing, too. It's classic.

I don't know. I don't know what to say. Wow. Okay, Cam, do you remember when you first heard the... Where was I? Elvis reminds me that we had an emergency episode to just discuss the Gino episode. And sometimes when these big episodes happen I always wonder maybe we should like have an emergency task

force that convenes to record about the recording but we only did it once for Gino what do you remember about this camp oh what what sorry what year was this that was 2019 okay so right I mean I think right away it was clear this was going to be a classic

episode sometimes you just know when you hear it. Also, I feel like also Gino came up later when we would have conversations. Who's the most objectively famous worldwide? Well, Mark always says it's Gino. Yeah. And I think Gino's a candidate. I think it actually, the caveat there is who visited the basement. Right.

So that excludes a bunch of people, including Randy Backman and Chuck D, because I went to the C&E band show to sit down with Chuck D. Who's the most famous person you had in your basement? Gino's a candidate, absolutely. For sure. When you talk globally, absolutely. As you know, a lot of my basement dwellers,

shout out to Basement Dweller, who was on the live stream yesterday when the Zweig brothers were here. There's very Canadian famous people but Ron James might not be as well known in Germany as Gino Van Alen. I don't think that Canadian guy doesn't have

the cultural resonance. And just the brother points out that laugh you heard in the background when Gino was getting on me about black cars which is a perfect clip. Oh my god. And actually when I listen back I don't have any cringe. Cause it's like, okay, in real time,

I reacted okay to that. Like, it's like I took my lumps or whatever. Well, they were, they were having fun with you. They were, they were busting my chops,

but Gino's brother who co-wrote a bunch of Gino Vanilli songs, whose, whose name I might have to Google to get this right. But Gino's brother was there with us. So Gino and Gino's brother who made sure he sounded good so he could play. And then myself. So three of us in this basement. I remember the beginning of that episode when his brother,

I think his brother's name is Ross, uh, was wanting you, they were doing like a sound check and they were wanting you to like fix his levels. We were in, we were deep in the weeds of this board and removing, I'm just going to go do it now without actually,

but you have things you can do. And, uh, he was get rid of this, get rid of that. Uh, he wanted a clean vocal like he didn't want any effect at all on it as it came into through the board yeah i i will say it's it's interesting to see his reaction where gino's sort of like dude come on like let's get off black cars already so that's his reaction but obviously having fun with it and having laugh versus other

people you've either had on or want to have on who are like, I absolutely, I'm not going to come on to talk about this thing that happened 25 years ago. I don't want to name names. Well, I'll name names. Okay.

So here, I was really, I was really into my hour with Bob Wiseman, but it was apparent that blue rodeo was not a topic he wanted to discuss. Right. But then, you know, you know where I'm coming from,

from all this, it's like, okay, I want to talk to Bob Wiseman, but I can't skip the fact he was a member of one of Canada's biggest bands.

Totally. He was on, what, the first two albums, I feel like. Yeah. He was there for the big... So he did the big organ solo on the song Diamond Mine.

100% That's him. And Piranha Pool as well. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So shout out to Bob Wiseman,

and I got an hour with him. Good luck finding another hour with Bob Wiseman. I'm just throwing it out there. But when we, just before we move on from that clip number three, that's, we should talk about how it's used. So basically what I get, because I do, again, I don't know.

I'm not diagnosed with anything. I'm not going to say I'm on any spectrum or whatever, but I do get fixated on certain topics. And I have trouble, this happened with Jane Sibury because it was referenced by Alan Zweig yesterday who says that's the best interview of Jane Sibury he's ever heard

because we were so different in how we approached it. But I couldn't let it go when she said that wasn't a fun fact. Like I did let it go and then I had to come back. Like I do get kind of fixated on certain things and I am fixated on black cars because it was a big CFTR hit when I was 10 years old.

You know what that's like, Tyler. We're the same vintage. Absolutely. And you're only a couple years behind us, Cam. And yeah, I wanted to talk a lot about black cars and he wanted to move on and that's when I'll use, can we get off black cars? It's like, Mike, get off this topic and move on because you've drained that swamp.

I would say with Jane and the Alexiak no-sell the VP of no no-sell, the VP of no-sales, what I interpret, and maybe I'm wrong, is just Jane Sibri has no time for sports. Right. Does not care at all about sports.

Decorated means trees and yes. Exactly. She's up in Mantuland Island. Yeah, not part of her world at all. The foliage up there. Oh, and the brother reminds me another example of can we get off black cars already which really bothers me is when KJ Chris James comes over and he doesn't want to talk about CFTR and I'm literally

I'm there to talk to KJ about CFTR and he's not really biting on that so that's a good example and Mike I feel like you've had a few much music alumni who would fit into this category well remember I was warned ahead of time that Erica M. didn't want to talk about Much Music. So we didn't do the episode.

So we didn't have any awkward moment. And then when she was ready to talk about really nothing but 299 Queen. Save the awkward moments for there. We did it. And yeah, well, the awkward moments, whatever. But I do like Erica M. And the Catherine McClanahan episode is Catherine's opinion. Absolutely.

And I like them both. They're both good. Shout out to Gaslight Anthem. Right. Right. Okay. Okay. Excellent.

Moving on. So Gino was not a part of something that gets discussed a lot on this episode, probably more than any other podcast in existence. And that is Tears Are Not Enough. So I'm honored to be sitting here with the two people that gave us two and a half hours. Is that why Cam's here? Well, maybe. Yeah. On Tane, as we call it, Tears Are Not Enough. Tane. And this is really kind of a key phrase, not only for the Taneain conversation but also for the the tmu in general uh and this is

from uh another excellent episode episode 992 terry david mulligan from 2022 if you want to play that clip for us please it was magic how it all the song came together and then and then came the day and all these faces that we all know walk in uh candy's over in the corner. The Second City guys were over in the corner. And what I remember, I don't know if it made the final documentary. Foster, on his last phone call, yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, by kind of hung it down.

He looked at me and said, Buffy bailed. And to this day, I carry that phrase. That is my phrase to a couple of my friends when something goes wrong I would say Buffy bailed I wondered where she was we we were trying to I don't know where she I never and I've interviewed her like half a dozen times I've never asked her why she never got there she could have been living in Hawaii at the time. She was in Italy. That's right. That was in the motherland. So it's funny, TD, I've interviewed her half a dozen times.

I never thought to ask her why she bailed on Tears of Night Out. And as you know, literally that would be my first question. I love how you're like, Buffy bailed. It all makes sense. This is what this is like meaning. So chronologicallyologically this came well after our two and a half hour yes dive into tain tears are not enough that cam and i did and we did ask about a few people we talked about like leonard cohen and we talked about buffy saint

marie where was buffy and it was wild to get terry david mulligan just started says this story and you can hear me kind of say quietly in the background, Buffy bailed. Like, it's like, that was the birth of a new phrase we've used. But tainted now, right? Sadly, yes. It's a whole new context. Like, now, knowing what we know now, we've dodged it. Glad she bailed, right? Like, I feel like

it's good that she was not part of Tears of Honor. Has anyone else in Tain been cancelled? Do we know? No, there was an awkward moment with Brian Adams in the white markets. Oh, yeah, that's right. But we didn't cancel him.

Yeah, yeah. So, yeah. That's a good question. I'm just thinking of all the faces as we go through. To point out, sometimes when we touch, it's a consensual touch.

Is that a cost? Is that a cost? Is that a cost? Is that a cost? Is that a cost? Is that a cost? Is that a cost? Is that a cost?

Pizza no fun. Four, three, two. Sometimes when we touch, it's a consensual touch. Zappacosta's okay. Pizza Nova. Four, three, two. Let's tango. She's fine. I think it's okay. We're good on the tane front. And yeah, excellent. Buffy bailed.

I used it a lot. And then when news emerged that she was an Italian-American, I stopped using it. But maybe we should bring it back. I would, like, because TDM said, you know, in his personal life, I'd love to think, like, you know, he's interviewed, like, a lot of big names, I remember, you know, because he was on

movie television and, like, on Much and stuff. Big time. Like, because he's just using these, like, last time he interviewed, you know, like, like, David Bowie. It's like, you know, he's just throwing that out and sort of, like, people have, like, no sense what he's, like, talking about. But there's, like. It's like, you know, he's just throwing that out and sort of like, people have like no sense what he's like talking about, but that's like 1992.

I like the line from Moose Grumpy in the live chat. So live.torontomike.com is when most of this goes down. By the way, MF is also in the live chat. Oh, hello, MF. So MF is there. That's Mrs. Kim.

Yes. And I will show, I just renamed it. In real time, I saw the name became mf like it was another name closer to her birth name and then it became mf which is wild to me leslie is here i want to say hello to leslie i want to say hello to ian service and of course moose is here i'm going to get back to that and the brother but moose thinks a great tame a great term for when

like i stopped using buffy bailed because of the news about Buffy being an Italian American tainted. It's tainted t a n e tainted love it nailed it and the brother wonders if a TDM is still using that. Yeah, you got to get him back and ask. Yeah, Mike, how do you feel when stuff that's uncovered in your show

ends up on Wikipedia and basically becomes part of like the public record like there must be a lot of satisfaction that's the whole point right because i have seen it's not just my friend who does it rosie gray to but i've actually like search because you can see other references and other people have like reference your show with wikipedia which i think it's like very cool i when i do let's say jason priestly's coming on whatever, I do try to like target those areas that we need confirmation from the source. Like TDM says he doesn't ask her

why she bailed from Tears Are Not Enough. Maybe it's a polite thing. We're talking about different things. She wants to promote her new album or whatever. Whereas I will make sure that'll be a question no matter what. And even if it's near the end and we're wrapping up,

I'm going, oh, quick, quick, one quick last question. Why did you bail from Tears Are Not Enough? Like that, I'm going to ask it. And that's the whole point of all this, right? Did you,

I'm trying to remember, like now we'll cross-pollinate a bit. Did you ask Gino why he wasn't there? He seemed like he would be a no-brainer. I think that was pre- Okay, so when we did

the two and a half hour pandemic, I guess. Okay. Well, it was 2019, yeah. So pre-Tane episode, I wasn't as laser focused on the Tain stuff. Now, you know, Rick Emmett comes on and we have a convo about it.

Randy Backman comes on, we have a convo about it. It's like a default. Now it's an absolute default. Like, I'm not as interested in, do you know Stu Stone? Like, that one I'm not as interested in. But I'm very interested in these rock stars,

you know, Alan Frew, for example. Like, he might have come a bit late. He came a little late. What's your tally? How many members of the Tane Choir? Northern Lights. Sylvia Tyson was there. I don't know.

I don't have the numbers here. I think you're like 15, probably. That'd be my guess. Like, Gord Depp was there. And I've been promised Corey Hart at some point. So, stay tuned. Maybe 2024 is the baseball player. Milwaukee.

Or Kerry Hart, right? That's Kerry Hart, right? Is he a surfer? Or is he a skateboarder? Wasn't that a goalie for the... Oh, yeah. Well, yeah. The Flyers or something.

Who am I thinking of? Carter Hart. Carter Hart. Okay. Because Kerry Hart is married to Pink, right? Yes. That's right. Thank you, Tyler.

Yes. All right. We're cooking with right. Thank you, Tyler. All right. We're cooking with gas here. Excellent. Okay. Let's move on to another key phrase. This isn't a clip, but it's going to lead into a clip. Real talk.

So that's what you expect from your guests. That's a great guest brings the real talk. And that's basically people who are telling you their truth. It may not be the exact way things went down, but in their hearts, they're telling you their truth. Right, no bullshit. No bullshit, exactly. And anyone who bullshits is not an ideal guest.

And we'll talk about maybe one of those in a few minutes. Right. But one of the, I think, seminal real talk moments came uh from episode 650 uh which was brother bill and shout out to brother bill uh so i think he maybe got a job recently i think in edmonton back in radio so good for him yeah we love brother bill yeah i would love to hear him back on the show at some point soon um but this clip is uh it's really quite stunning because i feel like it kind of came out of left field a little bit. But let's listen to Bill talking about Alan Cross.

I want to choose my words correctly because I love Alan like a brother, but some of it is bullshit. And I don't want to get into detail really right now because I don't think this is the place. But Alan is a very, very, very well-researched individual. However, I want to say this, and that is, and I want Alan to be my friend after this too. Yeah, Alan wasn't there.

That's about the, I'm going to be as honest as possible well we were going to all the concerts seeing all the bands myself my buddy shagasaurus and other people alan cross was rarely there and i think sometimes that Alan takes a little too much credit for things that he has researched very well but shouldn't be putting his name attached to it it shouldn't be him talking about certain things but this sounds a bit to me like Shep playing a mix that he had nothing

to do with and sort of people forever just saying oh that's the Chris Shepard mix or Humble Howard reading the Humble report and then it was a fax subscription thing like Alan's sort of the authoritative voice regardless of whether he's got

the cred to make the claim. Yeah and you're right Mike and that's the way I should be looking at it and I guess maybe it's coming from a bit of a jealous side of things, because I'm not going to lie to you. Alan is a way better broadcaster than I was. He always will be. I even got a letter when I left from somebody saying, you know, when I when I was afternoons, because I took over afternoons at the Edge for Alan and they wrote me a nice long letter at the end.

It said, just enjoy what you had because you'll never be the announcer Alan Cross was. And that's fair. That is fair. I just found sometimes I see Alan doing things on television or through the media or press. And it doesn't, I'm not jealous. Don't, don't, that's not, that's not what it is. But I just think, is this the truth? Is this my truth from what I remember? And sometimes it's not what it is. But I just think, is this the truth? Is this my truth from what I remember?

And sometimes it's not. And again, I hope Alan doesn't get upset with what I'm saying now because you're absolutely right. I don't think it is any different than what Chris Shepard did and what Humble Howard does. And it's just a personal thing that I guess I just take away from that and I'm just being honest. Well, brother, I appreciate the real talk.

Wow. I'd forgotten exactly how that went down, but I did retain the phrase, he wasn't there. Yes. Shagasaurus was there. I think we lost that detail. Yeah, that's a funny little...

I'm going to dig that guy. Long may he run. You know, and here's the thing. As I listen to that that detail. Yeah, that's a funny little... Yeah, shut up and just share your story. I got to dig that guy. How long may he run? You know, and here's the thing. As I listen to that, I'm like, okay. The difference, I think Stu pointed this out once when I had Fergie Oliver on, but I played that clip for Alan. So Alan came over and I played that clip

to get his response, just like I played Ann Ruskowski's clip for Gord Martineau when he came on. Like, I don't know how to do this show without giving them a chance to respond to something like that but he wasn't there i didn't think it was quite fair to alan because he wasn't there uh i don't think he claims to be there if he had made claims like i was there when the police played the horseshoe tavern i was one of those nine people

and the gary's brought the brought the to Toronto. Then, now we got to talk about misleading and lying, but Alan Cross does not claim he was there. He's simply the authoritative voice

who's collecting the facts and stories he presented. Do you guys know the song Losing My Edge by LCD Sound System? Yes.

Like, you know, I was there in the great sound clashes in Jamaica. I was there at CBGB's. I saw the first television.

It's always sort of reminded me of that. I don't know. I thought that was very interesting because I think Alan, from what I understand, I feel like always lived in Orangeville and I think he lived near Brampton. Orangeville, I think, is where he was.

Yeah. I just feel like he had sort of, because I think he did some club nights too, but he wasn't sort of on the Martin Street, Brother Bill who are like all the people dj dingra you know that whole crowd um dwight yeah dj dwight yeah and chris shepherd like i feel like alan just had like a different role um but i i do know like i have seen photos of him at concerts there's in his book his first book that i think we've referenced there's a picture of him with Al Jorgensen backstage at Lollapalooza. So I think he was

there sometimes. Yeah, but I'm glad that Brother Bill felt that Brother Bill was comfortable enough to share that on his Toronto Mike debut. I'm glad he, you know, again, there's three sides to every story. I think that's an extreme album. Three sides

to every story. I think you might be right. Who was just there? Oh, somebody from the produce stand came over and it was a huge extreme fan. It's like we started talking about extreme. So go listen to that produce stand episode. But I digress.

But I was glad to hear that Brother Bill was comfortable sharing that. In real time, I did not think it was fair to somebody who is a great, who is a sweetheart FOTM. Some behind the scenes stuff I've never talked about on the program,

but Alan Cross is a great friend of the show. Yeah. And I think to, to, to Bill's credit, he, he kind of contextualized it a little bit. And to Alan's credit,

I recall when you had him on and played the clip for him, he wasn't upset with Bill. Like he agreed. Yeah. Yeah. He was in Orangeville and maybe wasn't out on that Friday night. Yeah. Yeah. He was in Orangeville and maybe wasn't out on that Friday night. Yeah. Yeah.

Deadtown or whatever. Now, I want to just mop up something happening in the live stream, which is apparently I referred to MF as Mrs. Cam and MF,

I don't think, likes being called Mrs. Cam. No. Now, I've been asked that maybe Cam is Mr. MF and Cam, are you okay with that? I think we're accurate. She's MF, I'm Cam and we're our own Mr. MF. And Cam, are you okay with that? I think we're accurate.

She's MF, I'm Cam, and we're our own people. All right. Well, you are a married couple. We are. That's where the confusion comes from. But I was at that wedding. Did you know that? You were there.

Yeah. I'm not Alan Cross. That's right. I was there to witness the nuptials. No controversy, no drama, no drunken uncle speeches. Absolutely. What a boring wedding. That's why I go to weddings.

Somebody's got to fuck up. There are no fuck ups. You met my dad. I saw you chatting with my dad for a bit. Your dad, your mom, your daughter. Nice, you're part of the family. Well, there were a lot more MFers. You know what I mean?

There was a few. Then, you know, Cam Gordoners in the crowd. That's how the Irish Catholic roll. I know what it's like. a few things then uh you know with cam gordoners uh in the crowd that's how the irish catholic role i know what it's like okay so great clip and uh shout out to uh brother bill for his new gig in edmonton i gotta get him back on the program yes indeed alan wasn't there um now if you don't bring the real talk you might get the robert lawson treatment uh so robert lawson who we've referred to a lot um lately i don't have a clip for robert but he has become this figure in the in the tmu you should have pulled the one where he says he played with miles davis that's my favorite that is a great clip played of miles

davis yeah that didn't happen but robert lawson now represents sort of fact checking um across any episode i've added it to the lexicon i'm using it often for sure and it's that's the most recent i think ad yeah agreed um now if you want anti-real talk then there's no better example than uh former nhl enforcer nick kiprios uh who was on episode milestone episode 700 in august of 2020 i remember because it was booked for in 700 in August of 2020. I remember it because it was booked for in-person in the backyard. Pun intended. Booked. And Nick had a book to plug, and plug it he did.

So this clip is not one long clip. It's a bit of a super cut of his book plugs. So let's listen. Here we go. of his book plugs. So let's listen. Here we go. Mike, you can get all of those stories and more in a book that I wrote that will come out in October.

Simon and Schuster were kind enough to offer me a book deal. Yeah, yeah. And that's in the book too. And, you know, it's well documented in my book coming up. Yeah, yeah, and that's in the book too. So it's a good read in my book coming up on how I was able to turn it around. It's a pretty good ride in my book. I think readers will

enjoy it well that's another one in my book buddy that's another one in my book okay so i do remember it's in the book and we do reference it often and uh i do remember thinking uh two things one is this was booked as an in-person which i far far prefer. I don't think I would have booked him remotely, but literally a half an hour. I was set up in the back yard and he's like, oh, there was a leave. There was a plan with Columbus or something at 2pm. I was like,

I got to do this remotely. I can't make it in there. And then fine. What was I going to do? I had promoted episode 700 with Nick Kiprios. I had this moment of like, do I cancel this thing or do I do a Zoom with Nick Kiprios? I decided to do the Zoom and it gave us this wonderful phrase. It's in the book that we use to this day. So, thank you, Nick Kiprios.

But what a shitty interview. And Joe London, right? What's the most exciting thing to talk to him about? He dated Joe London when he was a ranger. And I remember when he was basically, yeah, that story's in the book. I was like, fuck you, Mr. Kiprios. I didn't say that. But I mean,

it's in the book. It's the worst answer you get on and I want to hear what your take on all this, but that's the worst answer you can get when you're trying to have real talk with somebody on Toronto Mike. He was on that, was it 94 Rangers? Yeah. Wow. He won a cup. Okay. So, it's in the book i have no yeah that is the opposite of real talk and you know who wrote that book with him

perry lefkoe perry lefkoe that's right yeah i don't remember that yeah he's a he i think he made me hold up a copy of it for a photo and then he took the copy away what's the deal with elliot like he i know he's in la but like he's i so elliot would uh he's for example uh he has rated toronto mic with five stars on apple podcasts okay i have had many an email from elliot lefkoe saying how much he loves toronto mic and he keeps in touch with the the homeland he lives in la and then i got to meet Elliot Lefkoe. It was at the Subversives documentary premiere, which was the Simon Head documentary about Lois and Lo.

And I got to face-to-face with Elliot Lefkoe. And he told me, yeah, I live in LA and I listen to Toronto Mike and I love it. And then I realized, okay, this man is not coming on Toronto Mike for whatever reason, but he was in that documentary, which I told Simon pissed me off a little bit because it's one thing if you just don't do

things like there's some people who just don't do media or whatever but he clearly does stuff he was in the documentary on Louis Lowe but he just won't do Toronto Mike even though he adores Toronto Mike and thinks it's a great podcast that's his choice but his brother calls me early and often

and is a different cat but I quite like Perry Lefkoe who introduced me to Mr. McDonald, Norris McDonald, who was at TMLX 11 and then sadly has subsequently passed away. Shout out to Ridley Funeral Home. Shout out to Ridley Funeral Home. Okay, it's going great. By the way, let me do this quickly here.

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Don't you dare miss it. Actually, I meant to tell you, Mike. Remember, I had the holiday open house. I think you were going to check it out, but there was a hockey conflict. Yeah, I had a hockey practice for Jarvis. Yeah, one of our guests, I was chatting with him, who's also a listener. And he mentioned he's actually a client of our guests, I was chatting with him. Who's also a listener. And he mentioned, uh,

he's actually a client of Raymond James too. Yeah. And love to hear it. Yeah. And there's also spoken to Garth Turner too, which is interesting. There's a guy I want on Toronto Mike. He's the last man standing,

right? From the band. No, no. No. Garth Hudson. Okay. Wait,

wait. Oh my God. I can fix that. That's different than that. That's different than that. That's different than a fact check. That's when you hear it. You hear it. Well,

at least I didn't think it was Garth Ford. I'm Garth Hudson. Talk about your money. Oh, I'll fix this in post. Yeah. Yeah. Amazing.

Streamers pretend you never, you never heard that. Okay. Let's get reset here. You're too much, buddy. Okay. It's in the liner notes

yeah it was garth turner and tate why did i hear why am i always think garth when i hear garth i just i filled in the rest without listening like this is actually a bad habit i have like i i just went with garth hudson like the name i don't know last man standing from the band or whatever yeah i was wondering where we were going with last man standing yeah, and then it's Garth Turner, a different human being. He's from Bachman Turner Overdrive. Shout out to Fred Turner. My apologies to the listenership for my error there. Totally not touring next year. No.

Well, time will tell. I can see the Bachman father and son guys going out as BTO. Who owns that name? Probably Randy. By the way, I feel like I said this last, but I do like the Lawson's fact checks were a combination of factually untrue,

it sucked, or I don't think that happened. True. There was a mishmash. Right. Maybe my favorite is they could be drafted into Vietnam War. I still quite like it. And that came up in yesterday's episode as well. You never know. Yeah. You weren't there. I wasn't there.

All right. So the fact that Nick Kiprios was episode 700, I consider that to be a bit of a fun fact. And we have kind of two categories. Yeah, that is a fun fact. Of facts or of things like that. There are fun facts, which are just kind of neat little coincidences or trivia. Yeah, how things are connected.

Yeah, factoids you know you know when you hear it yeah exactly um or uh there's also mind blows right which is a whole other category right the the the terry david mulligan buffy bailed thing that's a mind blow you know something that you didn't nobody knew or or you didn't know uh that comes to light that that's a mind blow. I brought a few little fun facts that I just wanted to go over. The milestone episodes of Toronto Mike. So there are 1,400 episodes.

There are 14. Well, there's 13. There are 13, right? Because you don't count zero. Well, episode one is rosy. Episode 100 was Humble and Fred. Episode 100 was Humble and Fred. Episode 200 was Humble and Fred.

Episode 300 and 400 were listener episodes. Episode 500 was you solo because you wanted McCown. I offered 500 to Bob McCown. Episode 600 was Pandemic Friday number one. And that was just chips falling where they may. That became a new thing I was going to that was just chips falling where they make like

that would became a new thing i was gonna do like let chips fall where they're absolutely episode 700 was nick episode 800 was rod black episode 900 was pandemic friday 74 so the second last pandemic friday wow that's cool yeah 1000, again, was all the listener clips. Almost six hours of listener clips. Yeah, that was quite the ordeal. And that's why it kicked off that article, right? Yeah. That's where marketing comes in. There you go.

You need to sort of bullshit baffles brains. You got to have these things. That's why Jill Deacon called. It's like 1,000 episodes. This is like a milestone. Oh, my God. 1,000 episodes. Not nothing. Name podcasts that you know have had 1,000 episodes. It's probably, on one. This is like a milestone. Oh my God, a thousand episodes. Not nothing.

Name podcasts that you know have had a thousand episodes. It's probably, on one hand, you could probably count. I mean, it's not technically, you didn't start as a podcast,

but they just had, it was like the thousandth episode of ongoing history. Yeah, but it totally doesn't count. Yeah. Plus, that was over like 25 years. Yeah,

a terrestrial radio show. Same with This American Life, right? Right. It was a show. Right. See, I mean, podcast only. It's very rare. I mean, Marc Maron, I think, right? It was a show. Right. I mean, podcast only.

It's very rare. Mark Maron, I think, has hit it. Digital first. Yeah. Maron just hit 1,500. You're going to pass Maron this year, by the way. Wow. Looking forward to it.

We're going to make a lot of noise when I catch Mark Maron. Maybe I'll get Mark Maron as my guest for that. What did Ivan Pehar of Spotify Canada say recently? Like about sort of what was this? He said, because I said I was hitting 1,400 what yeah he said uh he said uh because i said i was hitting 1400 and he said it and again he's an authority he said uh less than 0.01 percent of podcasts record an episode 1400 wow wow that's so i don't know what the real it's got a bunch of zeros is that a fun fact or a mind that's a fun fact that's just a fun fact yeah it's not a mind

blown that's fun no you can again there's just like sort of like what is pornography oh i know when i see it right like so when i hear something i'm like yeah that's a fun fact. It's not a mind blow. That's fun. No, again, there's this like, sort of like, what is pornography? Oh, I know it when I see it, right? Like, so when I hear something, I'm like, yeah, that's a fun fact,

or that's a mind blow, or it's neither, but I just know it when I hear it. I feel like mind blows are often so-and-so are related, or they dated, or they're my neighbor, or whatever.

Yeah, like when we found out Canada Kev's sister babysat for Dave Steeb. Is that a fun fact or a mind blow? Like maybe that's a fun fact. But that's, you know, you need to have that. Any man wrote Save Me about Dave Foley.

Yeah, that was a mind blow. Absolutely. Yeah, stuff that was just like, it does not compute. Yeah. Right. And quick shout out to YYZ Gord who joined us late,

but he's enjoying the FOTM Lexicon episode. Just to finish off that list, episode 1100 was Toast number 8, Cam and Stu again. So that was cartoon jams. I like that idea. Let's do it again. Episode 1200 was Mike Shorman. Hey, he paddleboarded

the five great lakes with a disability. Episode 1300 was the aforementioned Bob Wiseman. Hey, okay. The chips are falling where they may. Episode 1400, which was just last week, was Mohit Rajan. Right. It was right. It was going to be

toast. It was going to be toast. And then I can't remember what happened, but somebody had to change it up and then we swapped. Okay, excellent. I think Bob's friend got divorced. But here's my question. For 1500, which is, right, that's right. Many of our generation Indeed, I think many of us in this room have been

Actually, everyone in this room, right? Yes. Okay, we should start a podcast. The Divorced Dads Club or whatever. Double D's. Yes, double D's. Okay. Alright, that's interesting. But 1500, I feel like that's an episode where I shouldn't let the chips fall where they may. Any suggestions for what I should

do for episode 1500, which to me is like, it's not quite a thousand where I did the six hour thing, but it is a significant milestone. Sorry, when is this? I don't know. It'll be later this year. When I get there. If I live long enough. Yeah. Someone's going to cut that out and be like, he said that and he didn't live to episode 1500.

By the way, I also tracked the number of episodes it took to get to each hundred. What do you mean time? Oh. Like the number of like, or sorry, the number of days between. Right, because it always will be the same. Yeah, it's always going to be a hundred.

I know my math. Yeah, we'll cut that out in post. No, because I've decided I'm leaving in the Garth Hudson thing. So we're leaving that in too. The record for the fastest hundred episodes was between 600 and 700. It was really, I wouldn't have guessed that 138 days.

I wouldn't have guessed that. I would think of it more recent. Right. In the pandemic, you were cranking out episodes, nothing else to do. Yeah. Part of it is that I had these two guys that pledged to do an episode a week.

Right. Yes. And that's why they kept hitting milestones because the chips were falling. Because we did 76 of those things. That's right. Run up the numbers. Over 76 weeks.

So... And we didn't mention it just to sort of, again, tie a bow on the Tane thing. But remember, we were going to sing a group rendition of Tears Are Not Enough. And what's that little park where we were drinking beer? Marie Curtis Park. Marie Curtis.

We're going to... No, the one that was close to the brewer's. Oh, yeah. park where we were drinking beer? Marie Curtis Park. Marie Curtis. No, the one that was close to the brewery. Oh, yeah. It was like Queensway. I think it's called Queensway Park. Like a teary arm-in-arm rendition. Why didn't we do that? Was that the Liz Night? Yeah, the Liz Brio competition. We should do that for TMLX 15.

We should. Absolutely. If I can do it right, episode 1500 will drop the day of TMLX 15. Do you think I could do that? Quick, on that note of hitting 1400, the brother says, if you consider the total podcast minutes, I'd beat all those guys who have hit 1400. Probably, yeah. I would put my minutes against any of these podcasts. Except maybe Rogan.

Rogan does a lot of long episodes. Okay, maybe. I don't know. Rogan, maybe he beats me. But in Rogan, all those episodes are available as a podcast still? I think so. I think it's Spotify only. My client, Mike Hart, was on it

and we couldn't find it because once he did the Spotify deal, everything got purged. So, okay. Yeah, Moose Grumpy points out Liz showed up at that park. She did. That's where the photo was taken. That one you at Pulitzer, right, Kim? Absolutely. Totally. Loving this so much all right you've you've earned your

palm of pasta lasagna wonderful so here's how it's gonna work I'm gonna be very real about this cam's got to go back to East York yeah or something like somewhere

somewhere somewhere I don't know some parts unknown sure it's like wrestling time yeah so I have one lasagna in my freezer right now and that's going to cam because he's going

far away no no no no no well I don't know we literally just ate one this week so we're good And that's going to Cam because he's going far away. No, no, no, no, no. No, please. No, Tyler. No, please. Well, hold on. We literally just ate one this week. So we're good for now. We can solve it. That's true.

I still have one more in my freezer. So it's all good. All right. You take it. Okay. Okay. So that's what we're doing here. And Cam, I'm sure I'll see you again soon.

Absolutely. I'll score you an MFA and your lovely daughter. I'll score you guys another Palma Pasta. But thank you to Palma Pasta, who've been on board for many of these years we're discussing and they're still just freaking delicious. Everybody thanks me for introducing them to Palma Pasta and they will host us again either

like late November, early December for a TMLX event at Palma's Kitchen. Those are amazing. I hope everybody can make it but thank you Palma Pasta. I will say the frozen lasagna, it's almost tastes like two different foods. Like when you initially put it in the oven, you eat that night, it's great.

And then you put it in the freezer, it almost congeals. Oh, yeah. And it's like, it's almost a different texture. It's a different flavor experience. Both are awesome. Absolutely. There's some talk in the chat

about maybe episode 1500 being a Pandemic Friday reunion, but that was our plans for TMLX14. In fact, you can Google it. I wrote a whole post about it on TorontoMic.com that I never edited because the plan was to reunite the Pandemic Friday 3 at TMLX 14. And then Stu Stone said,

I'm going to California. And he's gone. So who knows if we can trust that Stu will be around. It would be nice to do that this calendar year with Stu. Well, let's get Stu back in the city and we'll see what boot he's in. But yeah, let's do it. Let's do it. Okay. All right. Pick it up, Tyler. Okay. Back to clips. This one is

great. It's, you know, Mike, I think, loves it as any of us do when someone comes by to sort of pump his tires. I got pumped yesterday, actually. While I was being shot down, I got pumped. It was a weird kind of...

You have to listen to this Wyg episode. So, you know, who wouldn't love having their tires pumped? And one of the most memorable examples of that gave us a phrase that I think still pops up from time to time. Oh, yeah. Let's listen to... Mike, you're a big number in Toronto. Like, you really are. number in Toronto, you know,

like you really are. Tell me more, you know, and say it slower. No, no, that's why I say it's so cool to be here because you are, are the man.

Now you, you rule the way airwaves, right? I do love that clip. Tell me more and say it's lower. Yeah. Uh, and I always like, I listen to that clip. It's a good one. It's a ringtone. Tell me more and say it slower. Yeah. And I always like, I listen to it and I'm like, oh. And then I'm like, well, that's what I said in the moment.

Like, lean in. That's just what I said. That was just like mom guy. Yeah. Paul Burford. Paul Burford. Yeah. Episode 870 from June of 2021.

And we had talked about Fergie Oliver in that episode. And he had mentioned he had, you know, lost touch with Fergie. Fergie kind of is laying super low and, uh, didn't Paul lost touch. And then I was able to, I'm telling Morgan to put my own tires, but I brought them together because Carrie Oliver got her dad Fergie to come

over. And then via email, uh, I connected Paul with Fergie and apparently they had a nice long phone call. Oh, nice. And, uh,

I just think that's a nice thing. That's great. That happened. Fergie, by the way, was, was one of the top episodes of call. Oh, nice. And I just think that's a nice thing. That's great. That happened. Fergie, by the way, was one of the top episodes of 2023. I think it was that Paul Burford episode. There was a good Wikipedia update that came out of that where I think it was him who revealed when they were doing the cook-off,

Catherine Swing would sort of go side to side and prompt them. It's like, okay, you can't just do a big pile of ketchup for chocolate chip cookies. So people wouldn like fix it because i because me and my sister that was always gonna be if we ever went out we would say big pile of flour doesn't matter if it's like pasta primavera or like souffle right big pile of flour mom too easy to rig that yeah no some more of that come on yeah yeah and shout out to fotm kate wheeler who was working on that show because i told her my idea the one with all the ketchup and she said that was every kid's idea

it wasn't just you and shout out to mark wiseblood who was on just like mom contestant wasn't uh bob yeah just like dad oh bob that's just like that same thing but yeah dad's so the the catchphrase that i think came out of that is you're a big number in this town what he actually said was you're a big number in toronto oh interesting he actually said was you're a big number in Toronto. Oh, interesting. Yeah. Well, here I did. Here, let me play it again. But Mike, you're a big number in Toronto. You know, like you really are. But that's like when

you say play it again, Sam. Yeah, exactly. Watch Casablanca like he never says play it again. Sam, what does he say? Play it, Sam. Yeah, like you. Oh, I mean, like something very similar, but different. And that does happen where we get these these phrases. We all use it or just like a slightly different than the actual origin. to. Oh, yeah. Something very similar but different. And that does happen where we get these phrases we all use that are just like slightly different than the actual origin. Yeah.

Yeah. Interesting. Okay. So I'm a big number in Toronto. You are indeed. I like a big number in this town. It sounds more like full time. Yeah, exactly.

It's more showbiz. Yeah. Amazing. All right. Sometimes a guest does all the work for you and gives- Is this nine, by the way? We're moving on to eight. Okay, good.

This is a good list, but great work on this. Yeah awesome thank you this was uh props to you tyler i really appreciate the labor of love love it so much love having you in the tmu i love to be here um so sometimes sometimes the guest does all the work and gifts gifts you a catchphrase um and that happened just a few months ago when you had the very elusive, but then suddenly very present Michael Williams in the studio. Two eps in fairly quick succession. And in his first visit, he gave the TMU this gift. And Cleveland was very instrumental in the career of David Bowie. No Cleveland, no Bowie.

Really? Absolutely. Absolutely. Bowie, Lou Reed, mott the hoopoe it all launched out of cleveland on wncr and wmms oh yeah i hear it no cleveland no bowie yeah i've got it on the soundboard just in case it comes up great the rumble of that it feels like he said that before probably no cleveland no bowie no what a voice hey how do I get a voice like that, Tyler? You got a great voice.

Just a lot of drinking and smoking. Never smoked, but you know. Okay, you're naturally gifted. That's right. I forgot that he also claimed, you know, we wouldn't know about Lou Reed. Like, I'm not the hoopoe. I think that's Ian Hunter.

All the young dudes. That's all the young dudes. That was a Bowie side thing. No, he wasn't in the band. I think Bowie covered it later. Yeah, Bowie covered it. Did he read it? Yeah.

Okay. Like, with all due respect, the Bowie thing in America is kind of, is what it is, but like, no Cleveland, no Lou Reed. It's like, come on. Come on, Michael.

It's a stretch. Wow. Yeah. Those episodes were incredible, though. Yeah, they were. Love them. They were. Yeah. Now it's's like, come on. Come on, Michael. It's a stretch. Wow. Yeah. Those episodes were incredible, though. Yeah, they were. Love them. They were. Yeah. Now it's just like, when do I get Michael Williams back? We did kind of the back-to-back, which is the most back-to-back. There were a few examples where this happened,

but with Rod Black, it was truly back-to-back. Back-to-back. Eight hundred and eight and one. Eight hundred and one. And Kevin Hearn had almost back-to-backs. Like, we did an episode on Kevin Hearn, but then I realized we needed a special episode about Gore Downey and the secret path. And it was a very different episode,

but it was a different conversation. That's why it's a different episode. And they were almost back to back. Mike, would you say that second episode with Kevin Hearn, the most emotional episode? Cause I, I feel like you've had some of the stuff people have shared have been like,

I love like heart wrenching stories and stuff. Yeah. Oh my God. Yeah. Yeah. Hers, hers might be number one. Yeah.

David Schultz, the jam for his son. Yeah. And I mean, yeah, that was a moment. There are a few of these moments. I don't know if I can,

which is like number one, but Ken Daniels had a moment where he was talking about his boy. Sure. Yeah. Also an accidental fentanyl overdose in this epidemic we're facing. But without a doubt, Kevin Hearn's second appearance was super emotional.

Just us two kind of having a chat and his special needs daughter, who I think he's the person who told Hayden about a special needs school in Toronto that Hayden's daughter's in. They're connected that way. And of course, the Lou Reed story and absolutely Gordani. And when

Peter the national host, Peter Mansbridge. Peter, what's your last name again? I only know your wife now. Okay, we went to power together. So when Peter Mansbridge. Peter, what's your last name again? I only know your wife now. Okay, we went to power together. So when Peter Mansbridge speaks with Gordone on the National, that's Kevin Hearn's living room.

So no Kevin Hearn, no Dream Serenade concert. That is a great use of this. No Cleveland, no Bowie. Also, weirdly, I think Kevin Hearn played with Lou Reed, didn't he? That's right, he did. He talked a lot about that. It all fits together. He shepherded, yeah, it think Kevin Hearn played with Lou Reed. That's right, he did. Wow. He talked a lot about that. It all fits together.

He shepherded, yeah, it does all fit together, back to Lou Reed. But he kind of shepherded his exit almost. Like he was there for Lou Reed as he was dying. And that helped prepare him to be there for Gord Downie when he was dying. Wow. He's a magic man. Wonderful, wonderful FOTM. Ships in the night.

There's a sweetheart, Kevin Hearn. He is indeed. And he's from the Look People with James B., which is all going to come together. And who's like son? Ian Tyson's son? Ian and Sylvia. We could keep this going forever.

Clay Tyson is in the Look People. Yeah. With, yeah. James B. and Kevin Hearn. Yeah. Bob Scott. Great, great Bob Scott. Great Bob Scott.

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Down the street from the Costco. This is where you should collect. Again, it's a free event. It's just FOTMs collecting. And that'll be TMLX 15. And because you listened to this episode, you now know what TMLX stands for, which is Toronto-Miked Listener Experience. So get your fresh craft beer from Great Lakes.

Enjoy responsibly. What else is happening on June 27th of this year? I don't know. My calendar just says TMLX 15. So we'll see. We'll see what else is going on. What month does that event

happen for you? March. Okay, you'll get there first. Yes. So you're marching towards the big 5-0. 5-0. Wow.

Yeah. Well, you know, MF isn't going to get there for another 15 years or something. No, she'll never get there. That's true. Shout out to Ridley Goodall. I mean, she's young at heart.

Yes. Forever young. Forever young. And speaking of birthdays, speaking of birthdays, shout out to my daughter, Beth, who turns 20 tomorrow. Okay, my daughter gets there in July.

That's beautiful. She's named after the Kiss song. That's right. And she's actually leaving later this week to go to Edmonton, where she's going to work for four months. Oh, I thought she was going to work with Brother Bill. I wish, yeah.

No, she's on a co-op term. You know, I know someone from Edmonton. I know you do. I can hook them up if she needs some advice. All right, moving on. So someone who's been on the show more than anyone else, present company excluded, has given us all kinds of memorable moments

and phrases over his 90 visits, but none more memorable than a line he spoke as a young child actor in a film that Speaking of Peter Mansbridge. Yeah, and it's a film that I think Cynthia Dale would rather you forget called Heavenly Body. NSFW. And I only forgot her husband's last name. It's a film that I think Cynthia Dale would rather you forget called Heavenly Body. And I only forgot her husband's last name.

Cynthia's been on twice and you've played this clip for her both times, but we can never get enough of it, so let's hear Stu now. Here, let's all listen to just a little taste of Heavenly Body. Just a little bit. I'm tired, darling.

Had to be this freaking serious. Don't you think he's had enough? Well, there's a reason. You'll remember in a minute. Oh, my God. Just a bit more. Okay, Mom? Okay.

Now, let's fetch the guns and things, said Huck. No, Huck. Leave them there. There's just the tricks now things, said Huck. No, Huck, leave them there. They're just the tricks that we have to go to robbing. We'll keep them there all the time and we'll hold our order. Mom? Mm-hmm?

How do you say O-R-G-I-E-S? What? What are you reading? Tom Sawyer. Oh. Now, how do you say that word? Org. Orgies.

Just orgies. Now hurry up and finish that page, okay? And behold our orgies. Mom, what's an orgies? There it is. What's an orgies? What's an orgies? Wow. I loved, that was from her most recent appearance,

and I love her reaction when you start playing the clip. Oh yeah, I can tell in her eyes. She's sitting right there, and I was like, oh, she does not want me to play this clip, but I don't know how to do this. I wonder why. It's her first visit. So that's why I revisited the, if it was like, to me, if there's a Zoom before a live visit,

I sometimes kind of pretend that Zoom never happened. Like it depends on the ordering. So you're coming in now making your in-person debut like Stephen Page just did. I kind of like, I'll ignore the Zoom we did earlier. And that's why I revisited it with her. And I love the convergence, like the TMU convergence. I'm looking at a copy of Blowing Up,

Jamie Kennedy and Stu Stone. That was a gift from Mark Weisblot. And, you know, Stu's there. He's got the boom box on his shoulder. And that same gentleman who Cam knows from high school, they're very good friends and was a member of the Pandemic Friday trio.

It's wild to me that that's his voice. That little kid is him talking to Cynthia Dale from Street Legal, who of course went to my high school, Michael Power High School, is married to Peter Mansbridge, has a home in Scotland. And then she's just sitting there.

All of a sudden she's sitting there, Cynthia Dale, and I can play that clip and watch her cringe as she hears that. It's unbelievable. And sort of a footnote to that, like regardless of that clip, like, I know Tom Sawyer

is problematic for many other reasons, but, like, they're talking about, like, origin. Like, what? I actually want, I've always meant to, like, look what,

I'd like to see, because he's looking at a comic book or something, isn't it? Like, little kids are reading, like, Tom Sawyer comic books in, like, early,

I guess there were less entertainment options. Well, there were. Around then. Pre-Game Boy, even, right? So what's he going to get? Go play Tetris? Tom Sawyer comic books in like early I guess there were less entertainment options. Well, there were. Pre-Game Boy even, right? What smut? And you know that director Larry Dane didn't like to take two. So everything, as much

as possible, it was like the first take is what they go with. Hot off the floor. I'm sure they had a limited amount of film to work with. My guest yesterday who had a stage, a name released music as Michael Z, Michael's wife. And in this episode he talked about how the company that

recorded his album sold the masters. So apparently this tape that they record on was $250 whatever that's worth today. Maybe it's $500 today. But they sold it just as a tape that could be re-recorded on. So they basically sold the masters for like 250 bucks. Oh wow.

Wasn't it like, like when they talk about archiving a lot of the much music stuff, like a lot of the old, old school much music said, it's just, they would copy over everything. You know, I don't like to print the legend,

but a lot of the, the, the legend around the two 99 queen street doc, which I think will, most people will be able to see for the first time soon. I think it's coming to crave or something. Maybe it's already there. But the legend is that Sean Menard

had access to the Bell Media vaults and much music and was able to go get these clips. But a lot of the great old clips are absolutely 100% from the private collection of FOTM Hall of Famer Ed Conroy in West Ontario. Without a doubt, a lot of those old clips are only because Ed was a part of those old clips are only because

Ed was a part of the team and gave them access. It's not the Bell Media Library. All that crap's gone. That old stuff is gone. It was Ed Conroy. Mike,

have you ever asked Ed, I'd be curious, it sounds crazy, but like, not to get all Ridley Funeral Homes about it,

but when he passes, like, is he getting a gift? Because that's going to be like lost history. Ed Conroy? It's like, yeah about it, but when he passes, like, is he going to gift? Because that's going to be like lost history. Because, you know, it's like,

yeah, like his next of kin might be like, I don't have time for all this stuff. That'll be my first question next time Ed's on. Yeah, who gets it? This is like, I think it's like Alan Cross famously when the Brampton,

he went and got all the old records. Yeah, him and Ivor Hamilton have that will. Yeah. Like the first one who dies, the other party gets all their vinyl. That's the deal between Ivor Hamilton and Alan Cross. And I think

Mary Ellen Benninger is hoping that Alan dies first, and that it all goes that way. So we'll see. Okay, we got one more clip left. Then we'll do a little bit of maybe anything that the great Tyler Campbell missed. I do want to shout out

recyclemyelectronics.ca because that's where you're going to go if you have any old electronics, old devices, old cables that you need to dispose of. You're going to go to recyclemyelectronics.ca, find a place near you where you can drop it off and have it properly recycled so those chemicals do not end up in our landfill.

Take it away, Tyler. Okay, we referred to this a little bit earlier, uh, and, uh, also in sort of the, the context of fun facts and, and mind blows. Uh, so this is the famous Oleksiak no-sell, uh, from Jane Sibury on episode 1314 in this past August. Do you, Jane, remember who directed the video for Mimi on the Beach? Yes it was Dick I think Dick

some name that I can't remember well let me jog your memory just because I was watching it recently and I saw the last name Oleksiak.

So Oleksiak and then I did a little googling because I know an Oleksiak. I know a couple of Oleksiaks. One happens to be the most decorated Canadian Olympian of all time. And then another is an NHL player. But it turns out the director of that video

is the father of Penny Oleksiiak the olympic swimmer i'm pausing i'm pausing for applause here wow she wasn't born when we needed a mimi no for the surfboard that's too bad no but that's kind of a wild little uh little coincidence right it's kind of wild that that the person who directed your biggest, well, it's debatable, but your first big single eventually would father the most decorated Olympian in the history of this country. I'm really working in here.

Okay. I don't find it that interesting. No? Okay. I'm so disappointed there. It's moderately interesting, but not a huge thing, I wouldn't say.

And yeah, I can only chalk that up to her anti-sports. Yeah, no time for sports. There's a great moment a few minutes after that where she comes back and says, why do you care about this stuff? I think she says, why do you think your brain works this way?

Well, this is what Alan Zweig was talking about yesterday. It's a fair question, to be honest. When I announced to the universe that Jane Sibri was making her Toronto Mike debut, Alan Zweig, who's very, how do I say this? Unless it's a sports episode, actually. He doesn't like sports either.

But he loves Toronto Mike, and he loves to give me criticism or feedback, or maybe it's positive. Usually it's not. But he likes to give me feedback, and I appreciate it. And he shared some of it on yesterday's episode. But he said, going into that episode, he said that we are polar opposites. He says he knows Jane Sibri, he knows Toronto Mike, and that we're polar opposites. And he thought that would be a disaster, us two doing an episode. And for a little while, I thought he might be

right. But then he said it was the best uh interview he's ever heard with jane sibri and he thinks it's because we're opposites so yeah i'm super jazzed about that i still think that's a fun fact okay even if you don't appreciate sports totally thank you i mean totally i don't even know why we're debating this i think that's almost a mind blow it's just like two things have nothing to do with each other all of a sudden and that is her and i was hesitant because i thought she might be insulted if I suggest Mimi on the Beach is her biggest song. And I don't know what the charts will say,

but I know when I think back about Jane Sibury, I really do think Mimi on the Beach is the big one. Debatable, as I said. But I think it is. But so there you go. The director of Mimi on the Beach would go on, and again, we always skip, what's the gentleman hockey, who's the brother?

Oleksiak, do we remember? Oh, Jamie Oleksiak. Oh, Jamie Oleksiak, right. And that alone is a fun, what's the gentleman hockey? Who's the brother? Oleksiak, do we remember? Oh, Jamie Oleksiak. Right. And that alone is a fun fact. But when it's the most decorated Olympian in the history of Canadian Olympics, then it becomes a mind blow. Yeah, absolutely. Moderately interesting is how Jane categorized it.

And I'm glad she brought it back. So we put it out there. There's that moment. And I love that moment. And I'm glad she brought it back. So we put it out there. There's that moment. And I love that moment. And I'm glad you shared it, Tyler. And then later in that episode, like you said, we have to revisit it. And that's sometimes,

you need to kind of go back to something because it's tough to go forward when that's just hanging there. You know what I mean? Like that's what I do with Molly. Like at some point in the Molly episode, I had to ask her like why she was like so like mean to me yeah i would say with molly and jane and you hear this with like other interviews with other artists like

there's some people that are first and foremost artists yes and like i i think that conveys how they communicate with people i think sometimes that comes off as like difficult or rude but i think in this case it's just you know know, artist gonna artist, you know? And I think that's sort of the vibe. I don't think she's specifically trying to be rude, but just a different outlook in sort of how she passes through this world. And YYZ paraphrases what Jane Sibury

says as, what's wrong with you? Yeah, exactly. And I would say Bob Wiseman is in the same boat. Yeah, 100%. And I did them so close together, and I felt the same vibes from both. One was in person, one was from Manitoulin Island there,

but absolutely 100%. It's like, oh, this is an artist, and I got to vibe with the artist vibe to have a conversation. I can't just... And again, I feel like often with this sort of guest is where Future Mike needs to be mobilized once in a while.

But Future Mike did not appear in either of those episodes. He did not. It's shocking. Speaking of that what's wrong with you moment, Terry David Mulligan also at a few moments after the Buffy Bale thing comes up, Terry David Mulligan

says, why is this so interesting to you? Oh, the Buffy Bale? Well, just Tane in general. Right. Like, why do you care so much about this? And many, you know, many says why is this so interesting to you like oh the buffy bale well just tain in general right uh like why do you why do you care so much and many you know many have asked that question every episode of trotter mike and i the way i look at it now that we're at uh 1406 and uh 12 i don't know 12th year i think is it's like you get it or you don't like you either get it or you don't and clearly you two get it and i really appreciate. And anyone listening to my voice right now clearly gets it because you're not going to listen to the TMU lexicon episode unless you get it.

But if you get it, you get it. And if you don't, that's okay. There's like 1.7 million podcasts out there you can fill your ears with. So I'm sort of speaking to those who get it. I would say the Tain thing is yes, but it's like beyond. And I say that because I'm right there too. Like again, I'm there with my friends. Well, yeah, you're a big fuel to that fire. Totally, totally.

Like I'm always thinking, Rosie Gray TO needs to know what Rick Emmett has to say about the fact he's not, you know, Getty's there. Where's Rick? No, well, like even just again, we've talked, God god way too many times

why wasn't gino on tain but like i'm thinking oh yeah we probably should update that wikipedia page one way or another just you know get get that because he seems like a no-brainer that he should have been there because he was huge at that time right i mean we talked about leonard cohen i can't talk to leonard cohen but i can still talk to um you know like a rick emmett or randy backman that's i thought that was important you know randy talked about how you know br a rick emmett or randy backman that's what i thought that was important you know randy talked about how you know bruce allen was pissed at him because i guess bto was with bruce allen and left and he was so he said basically i said so it was personal and randy says yes well and i i i must thank midtown gourd too because there was an update for rick emmett

not being there because he was on tour in Texas at the time. And Midtown Gord gave a gentle nudge like, yes, but was he invited? Right. That you then fact-checked. And I thought that was a good call-out again. No, absolutely. Let's assume, and we don't know,

was Leonard Cohen invited? We actually don't know. We don't know. No, and that's why I did try to get Bruce Allen on the program, and I got- No sale. And he was not interested in talking about the past kj style i suppose yeah but i did i do take these stabs on these people while they're alive because i i am interested in truth i don't want

to print the legend on toronto mike this is important to me this is why uh i you know ed and i had that friendly discussion about how uh the the truth does matter to me where the bare naked ladies made their national television debut. Like maybe I'm the last one. Sorry, one more comment about Bruce Allen. When did you ask him to be on? I had on the program. I do these Ridley Funeral Home Memorial episodes

every month and Hal Harbour passed away. So on that program, I had Danny Elwell and a woman named Jo Faluna. Jo Faluna was at CFNY and was very close with Hal Harbour when he was at CFNY. So Joe Faluna, as it turns out, is literally like, what's the term for right-hand man that doesn't

have gender attached to it? Like executive assistant kind of thing? I don't know. I feel like it's... Chief of staff. Chief of staff. I like that. Okay. So for the Bruce Allen enterprise, Joe Faluna is like the chief of staff. I don't even know if chief is appropriate anymore. I got to get my own lexicon figured out here. But the other day I said world's tallest midget

with the produce stand guys. And then I'm like, no, we're not using that one anymore. That'll be removed in post. So, and it was never removed in post, of course. But that's another one. I'll fix it in post. It's something I will always say with a tongue in my cheek. So Joe Faluna,

I put in the request through Joe Faluna. Joe Faluna had a conversation with Bruce Allen and reported back to me in a Zoom, actually, about why Bruce is politely declining. I just bring this up because you may have seen I believe he recently had some sort of issue with Bryan Adams.

I just wonder if he might be more amenable to coming on in. And quick loss. And first, I think I just said it was actually YYZ Gord that did the fact check on. Or the nudge. He doesn't like Zed. YYZ Gord. He did the nudge, the Rick Emmett nudge. Okay, well, we love both Gords.

I love both of the Gords. If it was about Lee Aaron, it would have been Midtown Gordes. Yeah, and on that note, it's basically because of Midtown Gordes for several years now telling me, Mike, you got to talk to Sean Kelly. Mike, you got to talk to Sean Kelly.

I think that this is what you should have done when you were a PR person there, Cam Gordon. Eventually, I will succumb and say, okay, I'll talk to Sean Kelly. And I'm sure it's going to be a great episode. But Sean Kelly is booked 100% because Midtown Gord was persistent with his request. And Sean Kelly was in like, not Molly Hatchett.

I haven't done my homework yet. But I do know he played with Lee Aaron. I know that Midtown Gord is like the world's biggest Lee Aaron fan. Gotcha. Shout out to Karen. Okay, Gentlemen, that was fantastic. Anything off the top of your head,

Kim? I can't think of anything really missed by Tyler. I think Tyler did an amazing. I think if we're doing a top 10 list, I think you nailed it. Thank you. Those are, there's a key because I feel like these are all things that weren't just like

one time thing. These are part of the broader. I do have a list of other things that I didn't, I didn't sort of dive into too deeply. And this is what we call draining the swamp or what you call draining the swamp. Right, which is not a phrase I invented on Toronto Mind. I stole it from elsewhere. So the first one that I did try to find a clip for, but I wasn't able to, is Hanson.

Oh my God, that's actually a very good one. We Hanson'd it again. Yeah, when something like an obvious choice for some subject is missed. Now, it came out of Pandemic Friday. There was a Tots and Teens episode where Hanson was not played. Cam named that episode. I like it.

I still like that. The very next episode was Family First, and again, no Hanson. I think Cam named that one too. And there were, I think, two or three others that they didn't show up on. They eventually showed up on Boy Bands. That's the last song.

I feel like Hanson is the exact opposite of that thing, the Occam's Razor. Right, yeah. The most obvious. Yeah, and this is the complete opposite. The most obvious thing. Let's just not talk about it. Yeah, exactly.

Exactly. Fuck Boot Sauce. Yeah, that's a recent one. Yeah, that came from Ron Hawkins, right? A bit more of an edgy one. So, yeah, there was a, not back to back, but very close.

There was an Art Bergman episode and then a Ron Hawkins episode. And of course, there's the famous story of Life Imitates Art. The song was written about it, but you know the story. I won't revisit it.

But on tour with Boot Sauce was Art Bergman and they kicked him off the bus and he has like hitchhiking on the side of the highway in the prairies or something. And lowest to the lower driving one way and they see, oh, there's Art Bergman on the side of the highway in the prairies or something and lowest of the lower driving one way

and they see, oh, there's Art Bergman on the side of the road and then he writes Life Imitates Art. Anyway, so,

Art Bergman said fuck boot sauce and Ron Hawkins said fuck boot sauce. Maybe Lawrence Nichols even said fuck boot sauce although I have to go to the record to prove that

and then I kind of got into this and there's no disrespect to boot sauce. You might be great people but I'm digging the fuck boot sauce. I be great people. No, not at all. I'm digging the fuck Bootsauce. I'm digging it.

So if I ever get a Bootsauce person on the program, I'll own it. I'm sure they'll be eager to come on and tell them to fuck off. Fuck Bootsauce.

All right. Tap on the shoulder slash... That's a great one. That's a big one. Yeah, the tots. We mentioned Kate Wheeler randomly when we's right.

So that's someone who is told that their time is up at a specific employer. It happens a lot in the media. Rod Black. Rod Black, long-time TSN guy, Bell Media guy, whatever, CTV, Bell Media, whatever it was called. Anyway, he got the tap on the shoulder. And that came from Christine Bentley. Right.

Exactly. And I think sort of a bolt to that is also your exit interview series of Bentley. Right. Exactly. And I think sort of a bolt to that is also your exit interview series of interviews. Right. Absolutely. Although those aren't always great, like Michael Landsberg, and sometimes they're kind of safe.

But if you get somebody just kind of at the right moment, you can get that. Unlike myself, who got the tots and then didn't appear for like 10 months. Yeah. You know, it's funny. You mentioned Brother Bill earlier, and then I was thinking, oh yeah, we had progressive past of Modern Melodies, which was Brother Bill, Cam Yeah, you know, it's funny. You mentioned Brother Bill earlier and then I was thinking,

oh yeah, we had Progressive Past of Modern Melodies, which was Brother Bill, Cam Gordon and I. And just when all this went down with Cam and he disappeared from on-air TMU participation for a long time, was the, we were working on that country music episode. We were going to do a Canadian country episode and I was digging, looking for a Canadian country expert to join us to discuss the history of country music.

So we were literally working on this. And then it was like, I had to tell Brother Bill, like, the dream is over. Cam's tapping out. But I actually am now going to do this myself. Like, I'm going to record in January 2024 a history of Canadian country music with a subject matter expert. This is going down and it's all because it was supposed to be

a PPMM episode. Did that happen? And who did you get? No, it's coming soon. Oh, yeah. It hasn't happened yet. It's coming soon. Okay.

I don't want to spoil it, but I have a good guest. That'll be interesting. It's going to be interesting. Yeah, very cool. It's coming soon here. But shout out to PPMM, another initial thing

that didn't catch on as well as the other ones. They were fun episodes, though. Yeah, they were great. And I learned a lot. I think also it's an ongoing question, but did that get played on CFNY? It seems to be a through line through certain episodes. CFNY not? Yeah, CFNY not, exactly.

Right, right. And it's funny because the reason, and it should be obvious, but maybe not. I said to somebody, a fun fact, oh, Sneaky D's was a response to the reason, and it should be obvious, but maybe not, I said to somebody a fun fact, oh, sneaky D's was a response to the fact that Honest Ed's was across the street. So there's Honest Ed, and this is sneaky D.

And it's like their mind blew. Yeah, that's a fun fact. But their mind blew. It was like, oh my God, I never knew that. So to be clear, progressive past of modern melodies is essentially me taking the words

ongoing history of new music and just using synonyms. So instead of ongoing, it's like progressive and past instead of a history. And then what is it? Modern instead of new. And then melodies instead of music. Like literally, I took like a thesaurus out and just said. Kirkland variety.

Honestly, that. Kirkland makes some good shit. That CFN, why not? I might need to go back on this because i thought that was so fucking interesting yeah like just hearing like just pro we were talking this we can do another one because i ever come on anytime and scott turner would come so many bins that's all you need i think iver hamilton scott turner and we do that episode we should do that or any more on your few more uh so is james b famous is a question that comes up a lot.

Yeah. Just in the context. Oh, I've cut back lately. You have. You have. But it remains an important question. Especially if you have on somebody like Sylvia Tyson, because her son was in The Look People with James B. That's right.

And I actually got to meet James a couple of weeks ago, and I asked him if he was aware of the question. What did he say? He said, yeah, I'm kind of aware of that. Okay, he's a good FO2. Where did you meet him? At the West End Phoenix Ontario Place telethon. Oh, right. That was the day John Lawrence was here.

And then I told John, soon you're going to be at the West End Phoenix telethon or whatever. With Sarah Harmer with one name. Yeah, exactly. I got to have a nice chat with Sarah Harmer. I sat down with her at a table because she was the only one there. And I went up and said hello. And she's like, sit down.

So we chatted for like 10 minutes. She seems cool. Yeah, she was very cool. I used to work with her brother. So we talked about that. Oh, it's a fun fact. Fun fact. See, that's a fun fact.

And then I pitched her on going on Toronto Mike. And she seemed into it. And then she was like, eh, talk to my publicist. Yeah. Well, we should do that, though. We should send a note. I don't know who the publicist is, but we should send a note to say, I don't know, you could say that you had a chat with Sarah. Yeah, I'll do that.

She was into it. Can we do it? Because I would like to have Sarah Sarma on there. Oh yeah, she'd be. And I would spell her name correctly in the show. Sarah has an H. Ultimate disrespect. Yeah, for sure. Alright, a couple more. James B. Famous. What else? Yeah. Turd in his basement. So here we are in the basement.

Oh, I don't use it too much. No, no. But it's an important thing to be aware of, I think. And that came from Mike Stafford. I was going to say, speak of emotional episodes. Yeah. Yes. He's had a few.

He's had quite a few. Oh, my God. Yeah. Like that, even when I remove myself and the fact that that's all, that's me unedited in the room. And I kind of try to listen to it like as another person, which is a trick I try to do. It's hard to do.

But sometimes I try to listen. Like, I'm going to pretend a trick I try to do it's hard to do but sometimes I try to listen like I'm just gonna pretend I'm listening to some other guy I've never met or something and I listen but that like the first one when he came in and even the second one I'm talking about his true episodes three and four which are all after he was let go by chorus I think that's as

compelling as audio broadcasting gets like it was unbelievable like I say this not like i i i'm gonna say try to say it's gently like it almost sounds like you're listening to like a therapy session because i do feel like it it is yeah because he's unloading yeah and for people spend their lives on microphones or on tv like it's very cathartic and they're used to you know sharing with the world so i think there's huge i think emotional and psychological value i would imagine again i'm not i'm not mental health professional at all but i mean it's just it's yeah it's i'll just say it's

compelling audio when you nail it for sure yeah so and in the little not to get go too deep into this but uh we were what i think are good friends we had a good he came over twice two great episodes of toronto mike when mike stafford was on 640 and we had an email exchange and Twitter and Facebook like we had a good relationship and then I had Lou Skeezes on for his exit interview and sweet there's a long story there too but I said to Lou Skeezes fun fact his daughter is an Olympian that's right that is should have got a bronze because the Russian cheated and then they didn't right yeah but yeah that's a fun fact Looskies, I asked him one question about Mike Stafford, which was quite simply, this is it.

You can go, I never edited that show. I said, have you heard from Mike Stafford since you were let go? And then Looskies says, no, then I move on. That's it. So based on Mike Stafford hearing that on that episode, he went the next day on 640, he referred to me as a

turd in his basement. And yeah, that was it. That was my crime against humanity. He was clearly going through some stuff. Right, right. And then he came back for three and four and those were, what are we talking about?

Those heartfelt, like, yeah, things have gone very badly for Mike Stafford. If we ever do another one of these stuff where your questions were no sold would be interesting. I think of when you asked Jeannie Becker about... Oh, cocaine with... Yeah, would be interesting. I think of when you asked Jeannie Becker about,

Oh, cocaine with, uh, yeah, would be one. I tried, yeah. Peter Gross tells a story about doing coke with Jeannie Becker in the back of a limo. Speak of real talk.

Right. Yeah. I feel like there's been a few of those. I wanted to ask Jeannie about it, but I don't think Jeannie wants to discuss her, uh, her 1980s cocaine. Yeah.

But everybody in the 80s did coke, right? Don't blame her at all. No. All right. Anything else there, Tyler Campbell? A couple more. So just a quick technical thing. So sounds good in the cans comes up a lot.

I do say that a lot. That's fun. Just any time you're playing a song and you're like, yeah, that sounds good in the cans. Yeah. Get on the mic with something. You don't hear it as much anymore.

I stopped hearing it as much. You used to have to instruct people not to drift away from the mics. Well, now I do more of that before we press record. So I thought it was kind of annoying to do. Molly was quite offended when you asked her to get on the mic. Right.

Well, she was offended by everything I said. But I know now I have a guest, like Alan Zweig was here yesterday and he doesn't like the mic too close. He puts it a bit away and then I boost him here and I know it's going to pick up like a bit of air sound.

You're going to hear a little more like you're going to get a bit of that because I'm boosting it here, but I don't care as much as I used to like get the guests comfortable and just collect the content. Yeah. The Rogue Byway was something

that came up a lot. Usually it was Wise Blot, I think, who would talk about the Rogue Byway. He would walk over here once a month and he would remark on the Rogue Byway, which is for sale and for sale closed it's done and then also by

way related is the by way bag hashtag the bag as provided by cam that was unbelievable it showed up everywhere like ct got some traction ca everywhere wow and then some questions that come up you looking for people so where is ch Chris Shepard and where is Rumble? Right. That's pretty much it.

There is one last one that you say at the end of every episode, which I'll let you say at the end, that I think Stu kind of punched up for you. He punched it up. I had it in the script. In fact, just to show how the sausage is made here, I have an intro that I read. Even though I think i should have that memorized i just don't bother like i just read it so i read the intro and then i read the extra which i have changed quite dramatically lately but it always included and that brings us to the end of our 1406 show but

i would do that on pandemic fridays and And Stu Stone, always the wrestling manager, did punch it up absolutely. And he changed the way and that is said. And yeah, now every episode I try to do that homage to FOTM Hall of Famer. Stu Stone, who hopefully

comes back and we get a reunited Pandemic Friday trio in 2024. That would be amazing. There was actually one other thing that I noticed was you used to say at the beginning of every episode, a podcast about anything and everything, often with a unique Toronto flavor. Right.

Okay. That ended pretty early. Do you know where that comes from? Yeah. So that's because that is in the description for torontomic.com. And it's been there, I think, since 2000. No, sorry. Yeah, 2002.

So that's a long time ago. So that's my description for torontomic.com. And then when I started the podcast, I kind of took it because I liked it. And I kind of pulled it out of my ass and I liked it. And I think it got removed because I started going to, I had six sponsors and I figured, oh,

I'm not going to waste words on that nonsense. But I think I could bring it back. Maybe I'll bring it back. Maybe you should. Maybe for episode 1500. Yeah. But I do want to thank Cam Gordon

for coming back. Cam, you were amazing. Yeah. Thank you for having me as always. Thank you for listening. Had a blast. I'm sorry I completely ignored you all those years

because I quite like you. That's okay. Like I like you. I like you too. Sort of like Elvis doesn't listen and I kind of got tired of the whole shtick

about Elvis not listening and that's why he's only invited on once a year now. But with Cam Gordon he does listen. Absolutely. If you stopped listening I would still want

to hang with you. Thank you. I like you very much. Okay. You know who I like also very much is Tyler Campbell. Absolutely.

Closer geographically but I don't know I have a bike we'll travel I don't mind. I have a bike, we'll travel. I don't mind going to see Cam where he lives, but Tyler, what an important role you play, not just with Hodge100.com and what you do and Dave Hodge comes on every year.

Love it. That's amazing. But like archiving stuff, there's a spreadsheet I can go to to see everybody's jams. Steve Ryan wrote me a note this morning to ask if he can come over and kick out the jams tomorrow. I had to write back to hard-boiled Steve Ryan

and tell him it doesn't quite work that way. I can't just kick out the jams with you tomorrow. I pitched a date in February. He really needs to kick out the jams. It's emergency jam kicking. I need a little heads up here usually. You maintain the official spreadsheet of out the jams. It's emergency jam kicking. It's like I need a little heads up here usually, but

you maintain the official spreadsheet of kicking jam. Not only kicking out jams and FOTM, KOTJ as we have one coming next week, but also Pandemic Fridays and Toast. There's a toast coming up. There's Eliza Fromer jam kicking coming up with her crush. I'm

so excited. He's driving from New York to be here. Rob Pruess. It New York to be here. Rob Pruce. It's going to be unbelievable. That's in the books right now. This is a long-winded way of saying, Tyler, I love how you are such an important member of the TMU and how you help this show and I couldn't do it without you and I want to thank you very

much for this and everything you do for Toronto Mike. Well, thank you. It's my pleasure. It's a lot of fun. It's just a labor of love and thank you for everything you do. Toronto Mike. Well, thank you. It's my pleasure. It's a lot of fun. It's a, it's just a labor of love and thank you for everything you do. So don't die. I'll try not to. Shout out to Ridley Funeral Home. And that,

that's what I do for Stu Stone. And that brings us to the end of our 1,406th show. You can follow me on Twitter and blue sky. I'm at Toronto Mike. You can find cam on Twitter. Blue Sky and that Toronto mic. You can find Cam on Twitter, Cam underscore Gordon. Doesn't do as much there. And you can find Tyler there too. What are you? Tyler A. Campbell. Yeah.

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