Toronto Mike'd: The Official Toronto Mike Podcast - FOTMCast: Toronto Mike'd #1611

Episode Date: January 4, 2025

In this 1611th episode of Toronto Mike'd, and 4th FOTMCast, Cam Gordon and Tyler Campbell visit to recap the previous quarter of Toronto Mike'd episodes and discuss what's new in the TMU. Toronto Mike'd is proudly brought to you by Great Lakes Brewery, Palma Pasta, Ridley Funeral Home, The Yes We Are Open podcast from Moneris and RecycleMyElectronics.ca. If you would like to support the show, we do have partner opportunities available. Please email Toronto Mike at [e-mail]

Somehow our innocence is lost A little flat on innocence, but other than that it was great. We'll go again. One more time. Somehow our... That's my sound, man. I love it. And her mom licked the asshole of a pig on Humble and Fred? YOLO. with your hosts, Toronto Mike, Cam Gordon, and Tyler Kamler.

Friday night you and your boys went out to eat. Then they hung out, but you came home around 3. If six of y'all went out, then four of you were really cheap. It's too good to fade down. It's a banger. Welcome to episode 1611 of Toronto Mic'd. Proudly brought to you by Great Lakes Brewery, a fiercely independent craft brewery who believes in supporting communities, good times and brewing amazing beer.

Order online for free, local local home delivery in the GTA. Palma Pasta. Enjoy the taste of fresh homemade Italian pasta and entrees from Palma Pasta in Mississauga and Oakville. Recyclemyelectronics.ca. Committing to our planet's future means properly recycling our electronics of the past. And Ridley Funeral Home, pillars of the community since 1921. Joining me today for FOTMcast, it's Cam Gordon and the VP of Sales Tyler Campbell. Hey now. Hey there.

Tyler, remind us why we open up our FOTM cast with this jam, this Whitney Houston. Is Whitney Houston an FOTM? I don't think so, but maybe you can get her in spiritual form. Shout out to Ridley Funeral Home. This is the Thunder Puss remix of this great Whitney Jam and Barry Harris had been on I think not long before our first FOTM cast and and I heard this and I thought it'd be it'd be perfect. And he's from CanCon. No he's from Con. I knew that. How are you two gentlemen going starting with you Cam Gordon how is your new year going? Uh, yes. So far so good.

Uh, been back at work a couple of days, uh, nothing major blowing up thus far in the communications world. So probably you're doing it wrong. A marked difference from last year. It was something like that. Yeah. But, uh, yeah. So, so far, so good. Happy belated holidays to both. I guess we well, we hung out right before the holidays. I feel like it did see you almost on Christmas Day. Yeah, that was what day was that? Was that like the 22nd? Like it was like so right down to the wire.

Yeah, okay. We met at Sugar Beach. It was the day of fest. I think that's right. Yeah, because you were. Yeah, I ran. I ran long of Elvis and then I said, I got to go meet the VP of sales and Cam Gordon. We had to strategize this episode of FOTMcast and we'll find out from Tyler in a moment what the hell FOTMcast is. But I got to say, I enjoyed those Great Lakes beers with you guys outside on a balmy December day at Sugar Beach.

It was a fab time. Well, I know you discussed this yesterday with at Keenan. I've already listened to that episode, but you do need to like invent reasons to enjoy the winter when you live in a climate such as ours. So I'm really glad I did say, I said, you're talking to a guy who we drank beers together and it was probably, I don't know, minus ten. It was cold with a wind shield. Yeah. Yeah. We were on a beach drinking Great Lakes. Had a great time. It was a great time standing in front of a big steamship carrying sugar.

Sugar. Yeah. Tons of sugar. Yeah. OK, so on that note, can we crack open? I know Tyler. I've only I've half crack. OK, you go first. And then it's going to be disappointing.

It's not half cocked. Yeah. All right, cam, you wanted it together? Um, I, I, I'm doing dry January. So yeah, I don't know. All right. I'm cracking one. Sorry. I'm doing wet January. So I'll get us a good for years. Why a dry J I'm curious. I know I have a beer sponsor, but why a dry January? Yeah, I don't know. It's the internet trend. Do I have it? No, no, no. I just, I don't know. It's good to take a break. I'm just like hibernating. Like I just planned hibernating that this month really this, this will be one of the few social activities I

do all month. So is that right? Okay. And then it just began. Okay. Tyler and I will be out there partying and the New Toronto border will meet on Dwight and then so Tyler walked here and he saw me and my eight year old daughter biking on Dwight. I called out, but you were, uh, you were long gone. We were long gone. By the way, there was, there was like a roaming, a stray German shepherd on your street. It was probably a coyote? Yeah. No, no, no. This was a German shepherd. Yeah. Are you sure? I don't know who's

German shepherd. It is a lot of times I've been told there was a dog on the street and it was definitely a coyote. Yeah, there are coyote coyote. Yeah. This was definitely a dog, but yeah, it was a little worried. Okay. Well, fear not. German shepherds are friendly animals, I think. Are they? Those coyotes. I don't know. Be careful. But I give them their space. But okay. So Tyler, set everything up.

I want to know how your new year's going, but then I want you to remind the newbies. I don't know. Somebody stumbled upon their first FOTM cast. They're like, what is this thing? Sure. You can set the table again. What the hell is this FOTM cast we do every quarter?

And for the dummies out there, every quarter means every three months. That's right. So, yeah, FOTM cast for anyone who is new to this, listening to their first FOTM cast, I'm sorry, first of all, but this is our recap, our quarterly recap of everything that happened on the Toronto Mike podcast in the previous quarter. It's very meta. It is. This is covering Q4 of twenty twenty four.

So from October to December twenty twenty four. Right. Twenty four. And that's only like typically, I think because Kam's got an aggressive vacation schedule or whatnot, we've been like it's been like ten days into the month. Yeah, this is the earliest we've, we've done it. And I hated it being so distant because lots would happen in that week. That was the next quarter. We couldn't really talk about it. Yeah. Absolutely. I said, let's get it closer to the end of the quarter. And this quarter only ended on, uh, I want to say that was Tuesday night. I do like we're bunched up with that Kenan

cause I know we're all fans of his, uh, appearances down here in the basement. So I do like we're bunched up with that Keenan, because I know we're all fans of his appearances down here in the basement. So I do like those and quite often we can have low reactions to it. Yeah, you guys always have great here, because the way it works is you're both recurring events early in the quarter, so you can often be one day apart, two days apart. Maybe you'll be the same day. You set your watch a ship. Maybe we'll do it together. That would be a mass event. Yeah, you imagine and I think I've ever met him. You've never met a good guy. That's shocking to me. Yeah, you too never met him. I'm going

to say I can get him to a TML X event in twenty twenty five. It'd be a popular. I did go to his fiftieth birthday party, so I feel like in drag you're in. You're on the inside with Kenan. Good dude. He is a good guy and though we always have a good chat. He does a good module man impression does he really does top notch. Yeah, I didn't love it. I didn't really think it's too judge. That's one thing about these effort. I don't want bullshit. I don't want you guys coming here and blow smoke. It was fine. It's passable. It gets its. I enjoy it. Who's the guy who does the really good one? Scott MacArthur. Yeah. This is like

bang on. Yeah. He lives near, he lives in Nova Scotia, I believe. Yeah. And he seems very happy to be out of the like mainstream media. Like he seems delighted by that. Although he recently quit the podcast. He started with Richard Griffin. So like it's all FOTM kind of like overnight, like he, like he just, I think he was sick of following that shitty team. Yeah. I wouldn't pay me enough to follow. I guess you could pay me enough. It'll be a lot of money and a lot more than they were making for that podcast. You'd have to follow the intrinsic trinities of I know Stu stone. It will talk. This was a quarter for episode

2024. He's always defending his dear friend Ross., but I mean the team was shitty last year and I'm going to tell you, I think they may be worse this and they brought back Jimmy Garcia. So I think I think things are looking up and if you're a big Vladdy guy and I know there's a lot listening to the bloody doll over here, like don't get too attached to this guy. I don't I don't trust him to stick around with Shacken's running the show, but this is all here and there and I would just say that Ed Kenan's March, a man is pretty good. Yeah, yeah, among the F. It's it's among the best solid six out of ten. Second

best, although Stu does a good much man, right? Is he feel like I he's done in a module? Yeah, so here's the thing for twenty, twenty five. You're going to have a little macho man off. You're going to get Stu. You're going to get ed keen and I love it. It's scotty mac. Make sure I do it though, because sometimes we have these great. I noticed we'll have great ideas and on the show I'm sold. We're going to do that and then I forget it ever happened. Oh, by the way, I

mentioned this or a group chat. Were you guys familiar with norma that cost? I remember. I remember him. Yeah, I remember. I remember when you know it was hard to find any wrestling info. Those those weekly recaps were just incredible just for the are you willing to share like I know this from another channel. There's an FOTM group and what's app where I learned this, but are you willing to share how your friends would have fun with Norma? Yeah, yeah, so they would. They would actually and I don't this is before I knew these guys, but this would have been the late eighties. They would actually, I guess, call the Toronto star asked to speak to Norman, I guess, either speak to him or leave a voicemail with these

false tips about various happenings. Right. And like, okay, you finish your story and then speak of the macho man. Like this is incredible. They actually called in that, uh, miss Elizabeth was pregnant, which never happened. And he, not only did he write about this and then Toronto star, that was the headline of his column that we saw that and like his, his appearance at the main belief gardens would be, that would be her final appearance before she joined motherhood. You're supposed to collaborate these, uh, you know, you're supposed to get another source. You're married to a journalist, right? Of course. Yeah. Like if she got, let's say she gets a note from somebody she knows,

let's say she knows this person and even trust this person. Right. She can't publish that on CBC's website or wherever she works. I have no idea. She can't publish it. For example, she can't publish it until she gets another source. Right. Yeah, exactly. And imagine she doesn't know the person and doesn't trust the person because it's just a phone call out of the blue. This is the Toronto star. Norman to cost it is printing. Yeah. Like literally the biggest circular by circulation. I think the biggest newspaper is like this. Yeah. And I'll just buy this. And I don't know if it's that same column, but also like Matilda, the bulldog had died. And, and I do, he also suggested the Damien, the Python went down the toilet,

the toilet in Toronto, which I'm not sure that's true, but I do remember Frank magazine over here. I do remember Jake, the snake ran into some issues with, um, I don't know if it's like Peter, like the SPCA or something about just like, you know, the use of animals and this sort of thing. I'm not surprised because like, I have your call like the snake was just in the burlap bag. Do I recall?

That's my heyday man. I remember. And then he'd, he'd put a DT with the move. And then the, the, the opposition, I don't know, the guy he was wrestling would be unconscious and get Damien and put Damien like on the guy. Yeah. Damien by the way, was a giant snake. Yeah.

Like a Python and I you can't flush that down a toilet. Yeah. They don't make that. That's like Andre the giant style toilets anyway. Final, final piece for the wrestle cast, but just to tie a bow on this. Do you remember when he's feeding with macho man, Randy Savage and he, he brought out a Cobra and he was actually like biting Savage's arm. I do have memories of this. This is my, like that clip. And I've watched him many times on YouTube over the years. Like you like, it's like a fever dream.

It's like literally a Cobra biting the macho man's arm and Randy's like tied in the ropes like, ah, okay. So to put a bow on this before I say hi to some people in the live stream, including somebody we've already referenced in this episode, a very exciting rare appearance from somebody who's joining us remotely from DC. I'm sure that means Washington. I was gonna say the nation's capital, but the other nation. Well, it could be our nation soon enough. No, it could be. It could be our capital. That is young. Yes. Stay tuned. It's got me all warmed up. Every quarter I'll find out what's going on there. But to put a bow on this. So we learned that from Cam Gordon, a friend of his would call up the Toronto stars, Norman

DeCosta with fictional wrestling stories. Yeah, like these are all works. Would print them in the Toronto Star, Canada's most circulated newspaper. And it would with no like, it would just be printed as fact, Miss Elizabeth is pregnant. This the snake Damian was flushed down a toilet in Toronto. Yeah, Matilda, the Bulldog is dead from the British Bulldogs. Yeah, yeah, we didn't have this column, but the mysterious newcomer in the WWF called the lion. Do you guys remember the lion? I don't remember the one no because he didn't fucking exist. So

ostensibly the line was a Paul. Mr. Wonderful orndorf under a mask. I guess like a lion, but I'm like a tiger mass. You still friends of this guy yeah, like that's kind of awesome. Tell him I think kudos to him. That means he was sad. This strangely you guys have met this guy. He's been at some astute premieres. I won't mention his name because, you know, the statute of limitations is not up. I wish is that a crime to feed journalists bad information? I don't know. It's not not a crime. All right. So let's run this down.

And then we got a lot to cover here. But Neil Jay's says Randy Savage sold that Cobra Brite. Well, a Cobra biteobra bite well as scared that young Wrestling fan it scared all of us So hello to Neil Jays and Jeremy Hopkins says ah miss Elizabeth a long-distance crush for many a kid of our generation Absolutely, right Tyler. Oh, absolutely. She was classy too. She was very classy big time She was classy like the rich chick in Gilligan Big, big time. She was classy. Like the rich chick in Gilligan's Island. There's the whole triangle with George the

animal steel. That's George right here. Okay. Shout out to the little stone. Okay. MF says hi from DC. Yeah. Big, big Mill. Miss Elizabeth fan. Yeah. Okay. She was, we're talking about, she's already tuned out. I don't even know. She would know the macho man. Oh yeah. Okay. Let us know. MF, if you know the macho man, Randy Savage, the M and MF stands for miss Elizabeth. Yeah. Randy Potho. He's a little line. He's in her home. She's no longer with us, but YYZ gourd says, Hey there, FOTMs and Midtown gourd. All the gourds are here. Good evening. A good crowd at live.torontomic.com for this FOTM cast. And Tyler explained it. Well, we basically recap rehash what happened in the TMU.

That's Toronto miced universe over the past quarter, which is the fourth quarter of 2024. So October one through new year's Eve, 2024. That's right. Awesome. Big quarter, big quarter, huge. And Tyler does a lot of work with stingers and such, and I never know when I'm supposed to hit a stinger.

So we're all doing well. Uh, no news to report. No news is good news. You guys look great. I know Tyler says he's been deathly ill for a couple of years. Yeah, I've been sick for about two months. My, uh, my ribs hurt from coughing so much, but that's not good. I just hope it's not contagious.

You sound good, though. Thank you. Well, he's got the best pipes of like the entire TMU. Absolutely. I don't know who else has this good of pipes is Tyler. There's there's some great pipes. And you were because I got one of the episodes that dropped in this last quarter and I never know what you're going to talk about, so I should wait till you finish your thing.

But was the surprise Rob Proust Christmas thing? And you're the first voice I heard on that. And it's like the voice of God coming through. Cause I didn't know this was happening. And it was like a audio Christmas card from the great prodigy. He was a prodigy. Rob Proust. You know what? We really are. I get out of here. Super talented replacing this son of a bitch in this dry January Rob will come in here The first voice I heard on that and it was like oh my god like gods here It was it was great that Rob did that and again just another Opportunity for us to to express our love for you, Toronto Mike Wow, you know, I can't get enough of that

You know that okay. So thank you Great Lakes I can't get enough of that. You know that. Okay, so thank you, Great Lakes. This beer is delicious. Cam, you're missing out. Tyler, how's your beer? It's delicious. It's the perfect temperature, I would say. I think Mike Lackey would be pleased with your service of his beer.

Is it cold or is it room temperature? It's cool, I would say, which for this lager, I think is quite lovely. It came out of the fridge. I'm worried if my fridge is broken. No, I don't think so. I don't think so. And is that, okay, you got the light one. Oh, is this the light lager, I think is quite lovely. It came out of the fridge. I'm worried if my fridge is broken. No, I don't think so. I don't think so. And is that the, okay, you got the light one.

Oh, is this the light lager? So that's Monica's favorite. And that's why it's in the beer. Well then I can have twice as many. You can go nuts on that. Okay, let's get going. Wrap, wrap, wrap, wrap, wrap, wrap it up. I'll take it.

Another fun fact for the listenership, the FOTM listening to this FOTM cast for the fourth quarter of 2024 is that for the first time I have connected Tyler's laptop to the board and I fully opened the channel. So I did hear a ding earlier. Yeah, I closed my email. So if you hear dings and alarms and bells and whistles, that ain't me. Okay. Because this channel belongs to Tyler. So at any time you can play anything you want. I will. I'm going to play live at live at fucking bananas here. Okay. So I will let you drain your swamp before I even say anything because I don't want to trample anything, but take it away. Tyler, the swamp is full. We're going to drain it. 2024. What a year

it was. Let's do a quick wrap on the year to start with. Uh, you did, uh, drop a final ep of the year on a new year's Eve, sort of like the, the wrapped for the, for the year. Yeah. A little something. Yeah. Uh, so you talked about some of this stuff, but it was a big year, 2024. So I just wanted to enter this into the FOTM cast record. Uh, you turned 50, obviously in 2024. So did I. We both did that this year. Well, congrats past year. We made it. You got a kayak for your birthday. You know what? Love that fucking kayak. Yeah. Yeah. You you mentioned that kayak on thirty four episodes by the way. Is

that true? Wow. It is true. Yeah, that's unbelievable. Yeah, it's a bit more. It probably should have. What percentage of episodes is that but but like post kayak post post receipt of kayak this? No, there's a my like fidgeting with it. I thought maybe you were losing your erection, so I wanted to, you know, what I mean, I mean, of course for the show this body talk two hundred and seven apps dropped in twenty, twenty four. They'll wait the I got to kind of process this. I never know what these fucking numbers mean. Okay, so to there's 365 days in a year and there were over 200

episodes, 207 apps as a third, right? It's too much. I mean, it's a lot. It's a lot of episodes. Yeah. So slow your fucking roll if you want, if you should, right? Well, you said that I'm looking for a sign. The kayak is going to slow you down in Q3. Well, you said that I'm looking for a sign the kayak the kayak is gonna slow you down

In q3. Well, I did a shitty job to do that in 20. Well, you're gonna you're gonna go harder. Okay Well on it this year. I was actually thinking about this. Okay. No, it's fine. I can't I can't I can never read this told drink the water over here He's drinking coffee. Yeah, I got a like I I often think about how many apps I should record because I feel like if I had some rich person say like here is money you just do Toronto mics right now yeah I might be dropping six episodes a week sure yeah I have a lot of ideas and things I want to do you do it because you love it it's not it's not a job right like it's and I'm still gonna bike 15 000 kilometers in 2020 and I'm still gonna kayak you know once, once a week or whatever. Get out there. I'd say you're, you're more enthusiastic about this whole thing, all this

shit down here than you ever have been. So is that not a sign to just keep going while, while, you know, while you can? Yeah, but I gotta make, um, I gotta make some money, right? Like it's like, it's about, uh, how many episodes can I, how much time can I afford to put towards Toronto Mike? Right. So I actually, and maybe you're talking me out of it right now, but I was actually thinking I did too much in the fourth quarter of 2024 and I should focus on two, two episodes where I like have, you know, conversations with people to a week and then maybe a third that is something different. Maybe it's a like remembering David Farrell or maybe it is the fall of 87. Yeah. Or maybe it's. I feel like we've had this conversation at least six times.

Yeah. A very special episode of. But I need you to tell me, yes, like something or somebody passed away and there's a memorial thing or whatever. But I don't know the answer here. Like, should I keep keep going? Does it feel to you like it's too much is the question I'm thinking well, I not for me, but I'm worried now like what a therapy session is like I'll hear from a die hard fan. I'll hear from a guy who's attended all seventeen TM Alex event. There's only one guy named Mike.

Oh, he is a Mike that's fucked up. Okay. So Michael Lang, don't listen to him. Sure. He's like, I don't know, nine months to a year behind. He's a completionist. But he listens to every episode, but he's way behind. How does he catch up? That's his problem. I guess that is his problem. So should I not, I should stop giving a rat's ass about the listener? Like I should, if I'm happy, whatever. I think so.

I think I think you're doing what you what do you say, Cam? Yeah, I think I mean, I also think you have a different type of listener. You have the completist like Langer, like you have people like me. I've told you, I don't listen to every single episode, but son of a bitch. The ones that I do deeply resonate with me will discuss them. Sometimes I'll go on Wikipedia, I'll make updates, you know, try to do a bit of arch bitch. The ones that I do deeply resonate with me will discuss them. Sometimes I'll go on Wikipedia, I'll make updates, I'll, you know, try to do a bit of archiving. You don't listen every day, but when you listen, you listen hard. Exactly. But what episodes are you skipping? So I know to do less.

Oh, no, like all sorts, like to be honest, because again, like you, you, you recorded like 200 episodes a year and also like some of my listening is a bit seasonal, like a, like when it comes around, like NBA trade deadline, I find I listened to like a lot of NBA podcasts or if there's election, you know, maybe some more like political stuff. No, I was wondering, like, okay, so keep doing what I'm doing, but maybe I could slow my roll a little bit. So it depends. It depends. So I think what I would say is that you are painting a picture of Toronto of Canada to a lesser extent, maybe, and there are so

many different threads that you pull on and then you're like, Oh, well, this guy did this. So then I got to talk to these two people. That's what happened. So that you're telling that story. You're filling in that that picture. This happened with the Gary's in the for exactly Yeah, well think of the David Farrell episode like, you know really for a certain generation for a certain audience a really important figure in Canadian music history, but Completely obscure from like in you know from an SEO perspective Sure, you'll find some like billboard articles FY music news But as the story of David Farrell ever been told

anywhere aside from that, you know, that, that podcast he did with those three gentlemen. Yeah. And if you're, you're not going to do it, you have those three guys from on that's right. You know, I can't even like update Wikipedia based on that. Cause there's just, there's not enough, like other sources, but again, and why do you think the episode happened? Cause you told me, do you want to meet MF and I at the Geary art crawl? Absolutely near the gallery of mall. Yeah. Remind me to show you my brick. It's behind me.

I do want to see that brick. It's a brick. And okay. But then, then I'm like, I don't, I'm literally ignorant. Like, I'm like, what the heck is guh? And then we see guh and guh scenes sees us and a member of guh says, we saw you. There you go.

Next thing you know what I'm like, well, let's do a guh episode. Yeah, but then you interview them and like it really fits seamlessly with all sorts of people, you know, there's a bit overlap with like Rusty and there's a bit overlap with Johnny Dovercore. Very nice.

Okay, pass that over. It does kind of like a- So that's from the Galleria Mall. That that over. It does kind of like a- So that's from the Galleria Mall. That's beautiful. I wonder how many people have walked on this. Is that a floor tile? Is that confirmed?

Well, it looks like a floor, but it could be a wall tile. Because I just told you, it might be a wall tile. Who knows? Wall of the Galleria Mall. It's a beautiful tile. Thank you. Anyway, the point is a couple of things, Mike. One, this is important content that if you're not doing it,

this is just going to like fade away. Um, and, and a second thing, and not to sort of kill, you know, what's, what was it? I bury the lead here. But when, you know, when I went back, I looked at every episode you did this year and tried to pick out a favorite and there's many favorites, but one that really stood out for me, this was episode a one five, four, four, the definitive much music origin story. And this is something we've talked about at length this year with, you know, the much music documentary and this, um,

CF and why documentary that may or may not ever see the light of day and all these other things, people writing books, people doing websites, people writing articles, blah, blah, blah. Right. But in my opinion, at least for your audience, I think it's like the Defend a Much Music Origin story. That's where you're really going to find the deep cuts for people that still care about this stuff. And I think it's a huge...

One of my favorite episodes of the year. Yeah, yeah, exactly. And, you know, for your audience... Scratching that itch. Yeah, exactly. Let's go deeper than we've ever gone before. And there's only one man I could think of who could help me go on that journey. Who's that an FOTM Hall of Famer named Ed Conroy?

I said, of course, of course. It was great to hear him back on the show so many times. All right. So an update MF, the most defendent, he knows where his bread is. God bless, you know, sort of like Gerjoys and Luke Sellers. OK, so MF says not familiar with Macho Man. I'll show her a photo. I bet you would recognize him.

Okay. Jeremy Hopkins has listened to 366 episodes of Toronto Mike this year. Wow. Yeah, I think he's saying you should do 360. Well, that's what he's saying. Okay, I can't read it. In 2024.

But YYZGord here, and then we'll move on, but YYZGord says, it is hard to keep up as a completist at the current rate, but he's managed to keep up. So bless you, YYZGord. I like that guy. He's a good man. Yeah, back from Antarctica. He's the only guy who travels more than Cam Gorn.

That's wild. I don't travel that much. I mean, he really travels. I think he's far field. Absolutely. All right, so just to put a travel on me. I mean he really travels yeah, because he's far field. Absolutely all right, so just to put a bow on twenty, twenty four two, I don't plus episode two hundred seven episodes. That's the third most episodes of any year. So only the third yeah twenty, twenty three had two

hundred and twenty three episodes and twenty, twenty had two hundred sixteen episodes. Okay, wow. I think I did a lot of zooms in twenty, twenty yeah. Yeah, I think if I did zooms, I would have so many episodes. You don't want the Zooms. Okay. There is one Zoom that stood out to me that was great this year, but we'll get to that later. You moderated a panel that we sort of alluded to in 2024, the Gary Top. You were there. I was there. It was great to see you there. A fantastic day and you did a great job Chatting with that became an episode. I finally got the audio Yeah, no, it was a great day and you you were on point as the moderator You kept the discussion moving all those boomers to put the mic to their mouth

Sometimes they'd have it down here. Yeah, and they start talking and I'd be like I can hear you but they can't hear you You got to put that I think these are like music industry people. You think you would know there was a lot of that, actually. I my gesture. But can I just shout out that Tobias Vaughan was there? He was there and Rob Prus. Robbys was a whole whack of guests. Yeah, yeah, there were a lot of FOTM in the crowd.

Good. I know I was I did that for the my invoice for that was zero dollars and zero cents. But you got you got the exposure which is what I enjoyed it which is all that matter. You had some major gets in 2024 we've talked about them on you're doing the whole year. Well I'm not I'm I just have a couple things for 2020 but then we'll get into Q4 but just some major gets. Ben Johnson. Oh that was my that was my favorite visitor of the year. That was a fantastic episode it was probably my favorite episode of the year. I can a fantastic episode. It was probably my favorite episode of the year as well. I can't believe he sat right there and we did a long episode. Yeah. And although Mary

was sitting there, I didn't, I felt like I could ask Ben anything. Yeah. You open book a really, really good, and I liked the guy. Like I legit liked the guy. It's really funny. Yeah. He's sneaky funny. Yeah. And then I still remember, uh, like, you know, back in the day, uh, he had a, uh, stuttering issue, right? Ben Johnson, you hear him talk in the Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. talked about killing his enemies that there was many takeaways, but, uh, something that really stuck with me, the fact that he's just like slamming beers after like he ran that. I just feel like how athletics have changed. Like I feel like, you know, uh, Usain Bolt or whoever, you know, probably not down. Probably not like downing a few buds after the hundred yards.

So Jeremy Hopkin was on the live stream for Ben Johnson. He says, thought he was going to leave. So Jeremy, when, on the live stream for Ben Johnson. He says, thought he was going to leave. So Jeremy, when did you think? Because I can't remember when I lost it when I was lost. It was there was a moment where you were kind of questioning him because he had a couple of conspiracy theories, the master thing there was right, right. The Adidas. Yeah, because he was with a Diora, a Diora. Yeah, like the obscure. They didn't want him to win. Well, he was with a Diora, a Diora, yeah like obscure. They didn't want him to win. Well, he was going into nonsense land and I felt like I

should not challenge that, so I challenge it and he was a little. I get a little when cam gives me that nod. I know I did. It was like a PR person yeah, so yeah. That was great. Some some sports heroes Wendell Wendell Clark, our captain twice twice yeah, but never in the basement, never in the basement, but always live. Yeah, and it is zoom bullshit. Joe Carter, of course, at the Joe Carter class. Believe it. Yeah, you know, I know Ricky Henderson hit that home run, but

he was in the building at least suck on something to do with it. Ricky gets a good. I'll see if he said this before, like leaping Joe Carter. Why is that not the fucking statue? Oh, absolutely. Like it's an iconic, iconic silhouette. You're your best former employer. I mean, you heard my Oh, Fergie Oliver episode, not this year, but we know when we I said we should. I said that I think I said that exact thing. It should be Joe Carter leaping in the air and he said, you're goddamn right. One of many enthusiastic. So Ben's my episode of this year and then whatever year that Fergie Oliver one, that's my episode of that. Even though I still get hate mail about it.

Are you really? Yeah. I'm platforming pedophiles. Oh, well, you know, Oh my God. Are you, are you serious? Yeah, I can screen cap you some dedicated pedophile funders out there. That's like FD really along with Joe. You had a bringer of rain, Josh Donaldson. Yeah. Briefly. Yeah, he did it. He did it. Yeah. Frosty. Yeah. He was a little fuzzy, but so was Joey bats that's coming next. Yeah. Yeah. Joey bats. Yeah. Classic. Amazing that you got those, those guys and Tom Cochran that day as well. Right. That was a big leagues man. Tom Cochran's gotta be in the basement in 2025. Right? Yeah. Uh, we've been working on it for years here. You know, it was a fun story. I can share this, uh, Rob Del Mundo

clues. Plug your ears for like one minute. I love Rob Del Mundo. I want to put that on the record. We all do. Yeah. We all do. Mine was in the basement this past quarter, but so Cam and I are at the Songwriters Hall of Fame. No, it was you and I. I was sorry. Tyler, it was Tyler. I remember now. I remember that beard against my face. Tomato tomato. Tyler Campbell and I were at the I'll fix that in post.

That's Heather Campbell and I were at the Songwriters Hall of Fame at the Massey Hall and it opens a cold open with Tom Cochran doing something from Red Ryder. What is it? Do it lunatic friend? Yeah, which is a great fucking song. Great. So like a Pink Floyd song. Yeah, it's very progressive. It's very cool. And he's so we're seeing this and then, you know, at the intermission we bump into the great Rob Del Mundo and Rob had a worse seats than we had. Yeah, he was up in the, in the nosebleeds and he said who was doing that cover of lunatic fringe? Rob Del Mundo and Rob had a worse seats than we had. Yeah, he was up in the, in the nosebleeds and he said who was doing that cover of lunatic fringe? Oh my God.

Wow. We go. Well, that cover was pretty fucking good because it was by the guy you wrote in saying that was Tom Cochran and he from his vantage point. He couldn't. You said how bad are your seeds? Did he look? Did he look different or well? No, he looked like Tom Conner. Okay, you know, where does he live? Like he's he's not in. I think he's here now. Is he nearby? I thought he lived in Oakville. Okay, well, gta yeah he's from man, man, toba yeah. I feel like I thought he also has a he had a place in in BC or something. I don't know he's he's a rambler. He's a rambler. He's over the life is a highway.

He just wants to ride in the basement. Let's do that. Yes, that has to happen this year. Okay. And I'll stop. Is he an Albert guy? No, it's representation. Otherwise he would have been here already. Right. Yeah.

All right. So that's twenty, twenty four. I just wanted to do a quick little recap on that. I enjoyed that. So what was your favorite episode of twenty, twenty four? Can well, again, there were many. It was the definitive Mike at Christie. Yeah, that, there were many, it was the, the, the, the Mike at Christie pit. Yeah. That was a huge, that was huge. Yeah. And Ruth capitalist. Yeah. And she was

at your wedding. She was, I actually saw her on Christmas day. She was a guest at the Gordon family market. Yeah. I see her on a blue sky. Yeah. I like Ruth. I met her briefly in January and we've been like social media. That's right. Yeah. Yeah, we know who hasn't. I don't think Sarah Harmer is in the calendar. What you got to get? Oh, right. Her PR person reached out to you, but then what I don't think I have to check during your ramble. All right, go search. Yeah, please, please get that done. Okay,

okay. While you do that, did you finish talking about your faith? Well, again, just to loop back again? So the the fit of much music origin story is sort of, but I honestly I could have chosen many there. There are many favorites. It was a great great year. Yeah, another great year. Yeah, another great year. I love these episodes. Yeah. All right, let's let's get into q four now. She's not in my calendar. All right. Well, let's make that happen. All right. Well, let's make that happen. All right. Do you for

sorry, but just like mom theme, remember whatever Tyler plays on that laptop is going to be on it is and we won't know it till we hear it. I don't know either. Okay, it's exciting for me. All right. Q for 53 in Florida. Oh God. So the kids are running right at running a month running wild. It's unbelievable. 53 EPS in Q four. It was the second busiest quarter of the year 55 guests on those 53 episodes including 19 first timers it's pretty good pretty good there was a big milestone this quarter that I think kind of flew under the radar Elvis joined the 50 timer club Wow huge yeah I thought you were going to talk

about. I pass mark marron well. We'll get to that as well, but yeah, Elvis join the fifty timer club. An interesting anomaly is that he is the only non hall of famer in the fifty timer club. Wow, he doesn't listen. He'll never get in the hall of fame. He's like he rose. He's too stubborn to get in the whole thing. That's right. That's a great episode. I'd actually never listened to a festive this episode before. It's like Pete Rose. He's too stubborn to get in the whole thing. That's right. That was a great episode. I'd actually never listened to a Festivus episode before. It was a real revelation. All right. So let me blow your mind. So this is, he's done 50 episodes. That was my favorite Elvis episode. Yeah. And it's because he was so

authentic and real. It was very vulnerable. And I, I, he did like, I didn't see it coming because all we talked beforehand, I said, look, I said, we're bringing Festivus back to his roots. We're going to do it like your blog sucks, which was a 10 episode series we did a hundred years ago that no one listened to precursor to the worst. Right. Well, we'll get to that. So I said, okay, bring five grievances and I'll bring five. So I'm writing my group. My grievances are like petty, you know, ripping up bike lanes and having to wear glasses now,

which I'm wearing right now. Like that's the kind of shit I'm coming up with. And then he's, he, he sends me a song and I didn't listen cause he just said, load this up. I'm going to call for it or whatever. So I loaded it up. I've loaded up songs for you today. I don't know. Maybe you'll do the same thing. So I've got the song, I guess, I don't know if he said, play the song. And then he explained, I can't remember what order it was in but he completely like just was so raw and authentic and it was so beautiful when he talked about the passing

of his father and how this song resonated with him and he was thinking about saying goodbye to his dad. Heart wrenching stuff. Like that's what I'm looking for. That is the real stuff I'm looking for and Elvis delivered it. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, when he's telling people to go fuck themselves

and the next he's like, he's like, like literally openly weeping on the microphone. And then you're reeling from that and recovering from that. And he, he wasn't done yet. Like there was, what was his, what was his final grievance? Well, his friend passed away. Oh yeah, his friend from work for 13 years died of cancer. And basically these two moments were like, to me,

like the reason I can't listen to fucking smart lists is cause there's zero of that. Like that. There's none of that. It's like, this is, I'd rather hear Elvis who let's face it, not a famous person. Do we agree on that? Even though he was on Western radio broadcasting Western football games, famous in Oshawa. Elvis is not a famous person. Do we agree on that? Even though he was on Western radio broadcasting Western football games. Famous in Oshawa. Elvis is not a famous person. I met him because he was a recruiter who put me into the porno industry back in like 2005. That's a true story, MF. I'll tell you later. But not a famous guy, but we do festivals. It's like a tradition or whatever. And to me, he delivered more than most celebrities who come into this basement. In fact, it's like a tradition or whatever. And to me, he delivered more than most celebrities

who come into this basement. In fact, it was just the greatest Elvis episode ever. And I was blown away by the raw emotion. Yeah, yeah. I had written something I was gonna say a little bit later about Elvis, but I'll- I didn't know- No, no, no, it's okay, it's okay.

You gotta tell us the whole- Yeah, no, no, no, it's fine, it's fine, cause we were talking about Elvis. I just wanted to give him a big shout out. Okay. It's okay. You got to tell us the whole, yeah, no, no, it's fine. It's fine. Cause we were talking about Elvis. Um, I, I just wanted to give him a big shout out. Um, it sounded like he had a rough year in 2024. Uh, so I just want to say to him that, you know, I'm rooting for him. I don't know him well at all. I've met him at a handful of TMLX events. Uh,

but every time I've chatted with him, I've gotten the sense that he's a really sweet, big hearted, wonderful guy. And so I hope that 2025 is better for him. Uh, you know, the ep was emotional and raw and I admire his ability to be vulnerable about this stuff with you on the mic. So it was yeah. So we all agreed that was the only Elvis that Cam has heard but that is the greatest Elvis episode ever and I'm just reading the live stream here and Gord says the Festivus episode was a

highlight of the year. He says it's too bad Elvis will never hear it. Maybe you can play it for him next Festivus. But he'll never get in the Hall of Fame because he doesn't listen. And he would love it. He just says, I don't do podcasts. Well, that's ridiculous. What does he do other than the James Blunt song?

I think he does Sirius XM. I think he does a lot of driving, I think. And I think he listens to Sirius XM. I don't think he does a lot of driving. I think and I think he listens to Sirius XM. I don't think he just he just isn't in the habit of like listening to podcasts. So he says he doesn't he says no offense. He doesn't listen to any podcast. But I am actually pretty certain he would love totally. But he likes sports radio, though, like he seemed like I feel like he like knows

all of all that on the count and all that. Yeah, yeah. He did a whole thing on Bob. Do you know? diagnose all all that on the count and all that yeah yeah. He did a whole thing on Bob. Wow, you never know when someone's gonna say Bob can know Bob could have been my guess for episode five hundred could have been who were saying like the Mount Rushmore of never in the basement. So he got Bob can we got derringer we got oh dog

oh dog was oh dog. Okay, yeah, hard hard. Yeah, no yeah. There's also like rosy to man like I'm not a but I'm a print gal for a strictly a strictly a print gal am I yeah, something that's good print print gal would be like a good chat room like a person just a print gal yeah. All right, so we all love the Elvis. Yes, we did lose an FOTM in Q4 Scott care foot Alright, I'd like to say a few words. Yes, what care foot because you know, you're at episode 1600 They're not all Ben Johnson, right? Like there's some time there are some like what I would call

Forgotten episodes or episodes that are top of front of mind or top of mind or whatnot, but Scott Carefoot came to my attention because Brian Gerstein, the Brian Gerstein, this Brian Gerstein said he's a big Raptor guy. You might know that about Brian. It's tough times for Raptors, but he's a die-hard. He's still big Raptor guy. You might know that about Brian. Yes. I wonder if he's, you know, it's tough times for Raptors, but... Die Hard. He's a Die Hard. He's still tuning in. But the...

There was a Raptors blog that one of the writers was Scott Carefoot. And basically, Brian sold me on having Scott over for a conversation. This blog was literally called Raptors Blog. So, in October 2021, Scott Carefoot came over, it was episode 938. We talked about his Raptors blog, we talked about his foray into sports media. He was at the sun for a bit, then the score, then he was at Bell Media, the hockey news, Rogers radio, we talked for like, I don't know, a hundred minutes or something. And I got to know Scott through that conversation. And then I was very sad to learn that at a very young age,

he was younger than I was. He's younger than us, Tyler. Yeah. He's cams age around there, but he passed away way too soon. So what I did was I pulled a clip of the Scott care foot episode and we're going to listen to Scott care foot as he sounded on Toronto Mike at that point, it rebranded rafter blog.com with Scott care foot and that's a, that's a branding choice. Now of course, of course there was some backlash like who the hell is Scott care foot? But the, my point was, Oh, you're gonna find out. So really the point of the blog was to be like

the opposite of Doug Smith, frankly. You know, I would say that my attempt of writing style at the time was a combination of Bill Simmons and Hunter S. Thompson, you know, which is, I know, a strange combo, but like I was, you know, very profane. You know, I ruthlessly attacked media. I ruthlessly attacked the Raptors when they sucked.

But I also started to, you know, bring in like advanced stats. Look at you. You know, because that wasn't something that that anybody was doing in the NBA in 2002. Right. And, you know, the advanced stats that I learned. Shout out, by the way, to John Hollinger. I don't know how many people know who he is. He was sort of on the forefront of advanced stats that I learned, shout out by the way to John Hollinger, I don't know how many people know who he is. He was sort of on the forefront of advanced stats in basketball. He used to have a book he published every year called the Basketball Prospectus that

at the time taught me everything I knew about analytics in basketball and I would later use those analytics to win multiple fantasy leagues. So that was pretty fun. So anyways, so I started off and you know I'm slowly gathering steam or whatever. So here's where the the promotion part comes in. I would go to various Raptors message boards and under fake names and I was careful about it. You know you can't have every post like hey check out Raptor blog. So like maybe every tenth post I would do it and I never got found out. Now the truth is, is this the first time you revealed this in public or is this

something you've shared before? I'm pretty sure it's the first time. I need to play my breaking news sound effect here. No, it's getting... So the real breaking point was the Toronto Star and this is so cute looking back in their newspaper they said, hey do you know any cool websites we should check out? Send us, you know, email us or whatever. I'm like, oh, this is too easy. So once again, under a fake name, I emailed them like, hey, there's this cool new basketball site called rafterblog.com. It's got really great writing and blah, blah, blah. And then for some reason I added, and I hear soon they're going to add a message board, which I had no plans of actually doing.

So sure enough, the letter got published, which was great. Yeah. But then there was a moment of panic. Oh crap. Now I need to put up a message board. So I quickly got one up within two weeks. And yeah, it started to blow up after that. And, uh, you know, and then what I did at that point is once it, once it blew up, I rejoined real GM this time under my real name. And it got me a lot of respect from some people anyways, because, you know, mind you, I'm not like, but as it started to get bigger and bigger, I continue to post there under my real name. And, you know, I

would take shots from people and I would give it right back. You know, so I think I got some credit, you know, some people were like, get out of here. You don't belong here. So a lot of that stuff too. All right. That was Scott Carefoot and no longer with us, sadly, uh, gone far too soon. But, uh, when I wrote about Scott Carefoot on my blog and by the way, listening to that clip, I get like nostalgic for like the blogging era. Before there was a Toronto Mike podcast.

It was the blog in that early to member this cam the early the blogs were fucking great. The incredible. I remember when Scott passed away, just seeing some of the other sort of writers and like sports writers who came out. I know Eric Corrine had said some really nice things on X, the everything app, But as well, Andrew Stouten, I think, said something when you think about another guy who came up through the blogosphere and sort of went into the mainstream media as it were.

Oh, Dangle's Brown? There's a bunch of these guys. Yeah. Yeah. Well, even fucking Steve Dangle and really Jeff Merrick, too. He sort of scrapped. Mind you, he sort of came up through radio. Yeah.

Yeah. So that's a, that's a little different. But again, like not to get, but like again, and like R. E. P. Scott, like, yes, way too young. But again, like Aussie, this work you're doing, like where else are you going to hear like that? This is going to be the only place for this guy who's fucking dead now. Yeah, that's going to be the place that's going to be, you know, Cavus tombstone, like that sounds like really dark. Um, so again, thank you for what you do. Like this is like fucking great. It's important.

I'm happy to do it, but I didn't know who Scott Carefoot was until just like, I didn't know who go was till you turn me on to go and then we have a episode. I didn't know who Scott Carefoot was until Brian Gerstein got my ear. And he basically told me why I should give a shit about what Scott Carefoot did. And I was like, yeah, I want to talk to Scott Carefoot. Yeah. You know, invited the guy over. He sat down here, like I said, for a hundred minutes and we captured that conversation.

And it was wild to listen to it after he passed because he's kind of spilling all the dirt on how he did what he did and involved fake names and all this skullduggery. Well, again, like I don't know if you guys are following what's happening with the internet archive, most famously known as the way back machine, but where that might actually go away. And then you hear also like in tandem, like Elon Musk, you know, sort of slagging like Wikipedia, like calling a woke up PD and all this bullshit. But it just, I was just reading this article. I actually pulled it up here.

Uh, God, not to get like a wonky, but I'll just read this sentence. A recent Pew research center study on digital decay found that 38% of web pages accessible in 2013 are not accessible today. So like all this shit is going to go away. If it's not written down somewhere, be it Wikipedia, the Toronto Mike podcast, the internet archive, whatever we're just going to lose these huge chunks of history. Like I think of when like Brandon Gones bought now and wiped out that entire like now archive, like that's completely gone.

That's a huge piece of like Toronto. No, I mean, the reason we're hosting this show right now is we're all cut from the same cloth here, which is, uh, I can't believe like the, this, the whole idea that big chunks of the, the internet are just deleted. It's like shocking. It's like, you know what it's like when you go down a rabbit hole, will you write books? You ever going to release a book or still working on it? So we're gonna have gets to read the bike, the book. I did send her research. You research, you have your spots for research and they're invaluable, right? Like if you were going to write about Raptor's blog and the whole blogosphere of the Raptors,

like having that conversation with Scott Carefoot is an important part of the research. Absolutely. Again, it fills in all these gaps. This all just fits into this huge mosaic. And if these little bits and pieces don't exist, they're gone forever. And they're leaving us quickly. They're, they're going away. Absolutely. And, and you know, I hate to say like fucking times are tough out there. Like it's, you know, I don't think we can take any of this shit for granted anymore. Why

do you think I've worked up? Why do you think I shared all 1,611 MP3s are shared with you guys on Google drive. Yeah, exactly. When I get hit by that bus tomorrow on my bike ride, you'll have, you can do what you wish, but at least you can share it with the masses as per my wishes. Shout out to Ridley funeral. Yeah. So like again, to answer your question, am I doing too many podcasts? No, you're doing more dude.

Do whatever you think makes sense. I need that rich guy to step up. That was part of the deal. It doesn't have to be a guy. It can be a gal. I don't care about gender, but I need a rich person. You need one of these like Mike Richards type rangers. So we'll get to, we'll get to him in a few minutes. So rest in peace. Yes. Shout out to Ridley funeral home, Scott careful. It's kind of when you have that many guests in the archive,

it's one and again, gone far too soon. Okay. I've got non What do they call when you're in your 90s non-jarian on a generic? Like there are non-agent area and FOTMs out there who are hanging on I'm keeping them alive So it's sad to lose somebody in their 40s very but Scott care foot the only FOTM pass away this past quarter indeed All right. Now you have you know, you have the open channel. I do you have played anything? I haven't yet, but we're getting to that. Okay, so now we're going to talk about very excited, very excited top apps of Q4. And I do have some clips in this section. There are a couple of apps that I'm

going to talk about where I have no clips, but then I have a workload at the end. So the first one I wanted I wanted to talk about was Chantel Kriyazik. Yeah, one of my favorite episodes. Yeah, fantastic episode, a big get. I know you were a bit apprehensive going into it because you had maybe heard some stories,

but I thought this was a master class in building rapport. You drove the conversation, you broke down barriers, any barriers that might have been there. Well, you know, when I came down the stairs, she was down here and I went up to get, I don't know what I went up to get, I can't remember, but I went upstairs and I came back down and she starts with a story about how she was on some other show and she

demanded all these edits or something because she Didn't know it was live or something and I look I swear to you I did this I don't know I think some people saw it on the live stream because it was actually it was a hot mic, right? But I looked her in the eyes and I said something like just I said don't say anything into the mics That aren't fit for public consumption because I'm not editing a syllable. And then she kind of like, okay, like she knew the rules going in. Like I wasn't going to edit anything and she can give me a list of 20 edits she wants at the end of it, but I'm not going to make them. She just rolled with it. Yeah. Yeah. I was impressed.

Yeah. She was very cool. Yeah. Uh, she was very open. There was lots of laughter. She was busting your balls a bit. Oh, absolutely. Cause I couldn't say Sean, Sean tell. That's right. That's right. You said it right there. She schooled you. Is that true? She said that. Yeah. What did she want?

No, I did listen to it. So I was saying Chantelle. Oh, Chantelle. Okay. And she kept. So I thought of men like, don't call me by my first name. No, no, no. She just said Sean tell like Sean Mendez. It's not Chantelle.

And it took me a while. In fact, I recorded something on New Year's Eve tell like Shawn Mendes. It's not Chantelle and it took me a while. In fact, I recorded something on New Year's Eve just a recap thing and Monica heard it playing I was test like playing it on the laptop and she heard it and she said you said Chantelle The recap Chantelle I must have known a Chantelle Alright, yeah So I hope you have more words to say about her except to say that after the recording, she did like intervene in a road rage and that's right. Incident with a postal and yeah, and I captured some of it on tape, but that was a wild ride

and I absolutely loved every minute. Yeah, she was great. And it's she seemed to open the door to a future visit from her and rain. She seemed to dig it. And where is that in the calendar at any point? Let's get that. Not in the calendar yet. Let's get that going.

Not in the calendar yet, but I'm hopeful. I think we, someone made this joke at the time, but it's going postal, but in reverse, that whole incident, like where it's actually like the post, the post post post post post carrier was being the Dick in this situation. Well, was the guy was being the dick to post exactly right? As opposed to you're right. It was the opposite and I got to say I wasn't sure what to expect because I did have some

Advanced warning about this woman and I had a story told to me about her on an airplane and her The nanny and I got all this stuff and I had this in the back of my mind and she couldn't have been more delightful It was the she was the Elvis of guests. I thought she was real and I thought she was humble and not humble Howard, but humble. And I thought she was just a fantastic conversation. And I have nothing but positive things to say about Chantel Kravyašek.

Mike, quick question about that episode, final thought. Just quick yes, no answer. Is she a top 10 richest FOTM from all that like Avril songwriting? You know, I don't care. You know, I don't care. No, no, I really don't. We can. Yeah, I don't know. I think possibly. I think possibly Clive Smith was this last year. Is that that guy he told who's he's a top, uh, 10 mini fresh

or well, Mellie, Mellie, fresh, but Clive Smith, old, uh, Nelvana. Yeah. It's a big one responsible for many stewstone jobs. Yeah. He's got some corn and got some real coin from that. Hit up, hit up that guy. Maybe he'll bankroll. You're seriously. Yeah. That's the type of guy you need live baby. Yeah. Let's do it. I know that I talked to Colin Brunton this past quarter about hitting up that guy to finance his documentary about a national slash national slash. He needs thirty five. I don't know all these people coming up their hats out had in hand to Clive Smith. They

finance my art project. It's like a Nash's top hat in hand. How much how much cash does Hallet have Michael Hallet? Michael Hallet that that's hard to say. Well, I think they did own that building because I let him buy me a beer at the yeah he's got your money. I bet he's okay. It was forty. Okay, yeah, it was no great lakes there. Yeah, I'm just trying to think of the rich effort. You should get start getting financial disclosures from all your guests. You know, it's not too forced.

Steven Stone. Oh, yeah. I was thinking that I don't know. I thought that was a pretty good. That was a good. Okay, a little bit. Okay. Yeah, I did like to Tyler.

Yeah, I work here. So I didn't do it about you. That was Chantel Chantel. I did it to me. You did it to me. Her Ralph and Brent was a good episode. I love that episode. Because there's very little me.

Well, that's the thing. You've been doing this thing lately where you bring in. I can't miss that one. Come on, Brent Bambury. Oh, right, right, right. Of course, yeah. You're too young. I do have a deadline.

You do this. Day six. You've been doing this thing where you bring in a couple of people and you just let them talk and you fit in the background and it's a really clever way to get the most out of your guests. And it's easy. Yeah. Cause I don't have to say anything. I think, I think the episode you did with Dave Perkins and Bob Elliott was sort of the prototype for this. You're a hundred percent right. Don't forget Larry Millicent. All time. Well, you did one

with just Bob. Oh, you did. We asked you right. Yeah. I did both. Um, and it just allows guests to go a bit deeper. They have a shared history. It's really just two friends catching up. It was really fun listening to them. They had a lot of conversation about their early days with CBC, their experiences. And you know, because these episodes are so meta, no one's listening unless they really care about this shit.

Exactly. So it's like we're preaching to the converted here. But I go into those episodes, like I almost have a little chat with myself, like Stuart Smalley or something, looking in the mirror. And Brent Bambry and Ralph Ben-Murray you're gonna visit you yeah your job Mike is to get the fuck out of the way yeah and I literally say you're gonna introduce it you gotta you know you gotta move it on a little bit with some moderation or whatever but no one wants to hear your

voice on this episode I say that to myself Tyler I said nobody wants to hear your voice on this episode and I'm like to myself, Tyler. I said, nobody wants to hear your voice on this episode. And I'm like, you're right. Yeah. And it works. Like it's, it's a really good formula for, uh, for some really compelling content. So, uh, hats off to you for shutting up. Hat in hand. Who wants to give me my rich people? Let's, let's hear a clip. Um, so, uh, you had a fun conversation with this guy in advance of the Gary top panel. We just sort of alluded to it. It was really fun hearing Colin Brunton talk about his early days with the

Gary's talk about the last POGO is his Nash, the slash doc, which he needs $35,000 to finish. He also worked with Ken Finkelman on a show that I love. Okay. Yes. Thank you. Newsroom. Oh, the news. And he had a surprising little story about a job that Ken nearly had. So I'm going to try out this clip playing thing and see if it works. Do you want to hear a Simpson story? I love the Simpsons.

So so Ken Finkelman is the I think it was the first or second season of the Simpsons and he his agent said, hey, they want to talk to you. They want you to be a writer on the show. Well, so he flew down to New York for the, the first read through or the first meeting. And, uh, he was fretting about leaving his family up here. He went to the meeting. He's sitting there with 12 other writers.

They start talking about the show and Ken goes, uh, excuse me, one minute. And he stands up and he leaves, just went right to the airport and took off to say goodbye and he just left and came back to Canada and then had a very nice relationship with CBC where they'd kind of let him do whatever he wanted. That's a great story. That's a mind blow to me. I love it. I would like never sleep again.

Like, oh my God. That's so like, it's so Ken Finkelman, a man I've ever met by the way. And it's just got that, like, imagine just sitting in New York, you're interviewing for, to be a writer on the Simpsons and the glory days, right? And you, something for whatever reason, you get up and excuse yourself, you're going to go to the washroom and you just go straight to the airport.

It's like a Larry David, like George Stanton type of move. That's brutal. It's wild. But yeah, he had a good career. But that, you know, Colin just kind of, you want to, cause we were talking about the newsroom. Yeah. Yeah. And I'm like, yes, I do want a Ken Finkelman story.

Do you know your audience? You better know your audience. I need to add that to Wikipedia. That's, that's a good one. Unbelievable. I hope one day that Ken Finkelman will be on the show. It seems like it might be a hard get, but. Book him for me.

Yeah, sure. I'll get on that. After you get Neil Young. That's right. All right, so that was Colin Brunton. He was great and he was excellent on the panel that you moderated. Yeah, he was great. Leona Boyd came back.

She is such a great guest, even though she's a Zoom. So this was my favorite zoom of the year. And you've managed to build kind of a fun little rapport with her. You played the word associate association game with her. Who do we practice that with Peter Gross? OK, because this is where we tear down the curtain. I just watched Wicked with my with my two youngest. And then we went and I made them watch

Wizard of Oz after Wicked or whatever. And, you know, Toto's pulling back the curtain and then it's like, pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. So this episode, we're like we're like Toto, one of Stu Stone's favorite bands, by the way. God, what a perfect person to like to like test trial that way. Peter, guys, like no filter cannot tell a lie. What in the WhatsApp of FOTM group, this idea was pitched like I was offered to

have another zoom of Leona and I wasn't a hundred percent sure I should do it because I already did a zoom of Leona and then I can't remember who to give credit to somebody. I've been camped. Yeah, it was me. Well, it was based on on what's called off the record when Michael Michael Landsberg used to do those with wrestlers and there's a great clip. He did this with Mick McMahon. Vince McMahon is like the ultimate warrior and McMahon's like a complete lunatic. Okay. And it's like Jesse the by Ventura, not as important as he thinks he is.

See what I love is hearing the breakdown of behind the scenes of how an idea comes to be. So you remember this off the record with FOTM Michael Lansberg. Yeah. He would do this with Vince McMahon, et cetera. And then you suggest that I do with Leona Boyd. And then I'm like, okay, I would like to do that with Leona Boyd.

So I said, okay, I'll have a Zoom with Leona Boyd. And I felt comfortable to do whatever with her because we have a bit of a rapport, but then I needed, I wanted to practice it. And I guess I practiced it with Peter Gross. Yeah. And that was amazing. That was fun. Yeah.

Well, it's again, and you're just, you're just pick up these little bits of Canadian media IP and just like resuscitating them. And you've done that with like fromage and stuff and these other things. So God bless. So Leonoboide was Zoom. I thought another good Zoom this year,

there was Elphaz Zappacost. Oh yeah, he was great. He was terrific. It was a good Zoom. And you didn was alpha Zappa cost. Oh yeah, it was terrific. It was a good zoom. Yeah. And you didn't have least least Steinberg. I did not have that was Lee was fun. You know, he's a interesting character. Oh, by the way, all the much music retrospective was a zoom. Absolutely. Yes, that's retro Ontario moved to port. Where the hell is he? Yeah. One of the

ports, but Leona Boyd was fantastic in his could just make a quick comment. But if a depressing episode, just make a quick comment. Of course. Bit of a depressing episode. Just like a lot of like all my friends are dying. Yes. Type five, which you know, well, we'll all be there someday. She seemed a little sad. Little melancholy.

Yeah. 100% and the infinite sadness was detectable there as well. I agree with you 100%. It was a bit sad. Yeah. But I liked the idea of taking this like, like Leona Boyd, this larger than life figure, classical guitarist, beautiful dated Pierre Trudeau. Yeah. Like this icon, right?

And like sort of like, let's just chat, even though it might be a bit sad, like let's, let's peel the curtain back and let's see what's going on here. I do think we need a name for that sort of guess. I put like Carol Pope in the same category, like doesn't quite know what this all is just because like from a different generation or whatever, but just kind of goes with it. Yeah. Like we need a term for that sort of guy. And a minimal boomer. Is Jane Sibbery in that group or no? Yeah. Yeah, I think so. Yeah. Yeah. Because you're right. Sometimes I, you know, they're like, I'm used to given, I don't know, I guess seven minutes with like CTV kitcheners. I don't know. Yeah, and it's like who's this guy?

And what's he doing here? Like this is different media savvy not hip to the TMU at all But but game right for for a conversation the real tell you know You have one is like 25 minutes and they're like, when are we gonna talk about my new say? Exactly, whatever are we going to talk about my new city? Yeah, exactly. Whatever they got going on. So Leona had a lot to say about a number of people, including Tracy Chapman, who she did not. Oh yes. Oh my God. Yes. Yeah. Talk a lot of shit about Tracy Chapman, which, which shocked me. Oh my God. But it was not since Liz bronze said Joni Mitchell's complete be

wow. But there was one person that you asked her about that didn't really get since Liz bronze said Joni Mitchell's a complete be wow, but there was one person that you asked her about that didn't really get much of an answer, but the way that she didn't answer sort of stood out to me. So I'll just play that clip for you now. I'm the I don't even know if you know this name, so I'll throw the name at you just to see if you had any interactions with him because I know you did film a lot of stuff in agent court at the CFTO studio in Scarborough. And I'm just wondering if you ever met uncle Bobby. Oh, no, I didn't know.

But you know of uncle Bobby. Do you know this, this gentleman? I think I've heard of him. Yes. Move on from uncle Bobby, but I have to ask. Yeah. So I don't know. It seemed to me like there was maybe a little bit more to the story there with Leo. Cause she had a moment where do I tell the story or not? Just the back, back on the airstream.

There's no way that's back of the school bus. There's no way there's that's, I don't know that name. That was not an, I don't know that. Yes. I think I've heard of them, but I don't know. Is, is, uh, the Christmas crackers on your list. We're going to get, okay. Okay. Only because, okay, I don't want to leave this on. Yeah. Yeah, no, we're gonna revisit a loop back to uncle Bob. I'll revisit uncle all roads go back to uncle Bobby. It's really the reason this podcast exists. Absolutely no one's talking about fucking uncle Bob. It's pretty amazing

that we are talking about uncle Bobby with the volume that we talk about uncle Bobby in twenty twenty five. Yeah, it's's a well tears are not enough. Well, that's right that so actually now Christmas Eps. So you had a really spectacular little package of Christmas episodes, holiday episodes this year, starting with TML X seventeen, which we've covered ad nauseam. We had the wonderful Kevin Shea story leading off, which you packaged up in the Jack in the box, Jack in the box, my 10 year old references all the time. Really? He really was affected by that story. Wow. Well, that's

great. Listen to all 21 minutes and really so cams in phase. I fast forward it seriously. I'm just like camp busy. Can I tell you that's why I wasn't there as busy that weekend. What happened to your brain that you can't listen to your heart? Twenty one minutes yeah, let's talk about hot. I just don't speaking a wizard of Oz. You have no brain or heart or courage as far as I'm concerned. I dare you so we had the Kevin change. Finkelman just watch cams going to the airport

FOTM Hall of Famer, leave a FAMCA announced that she's cancer free. What a moment is amazing. What a moment. Which is amazing. What a moment. Wonderful. We love that one. Tearjerker. And of course, the Allen's Wig moment, which we have covered ad nauseam again. And we don't need to get into it any further. Well, you know, we covered it only in that right away it was covered. And then it came up with Elvis.

But the part where he called Elvis like Ed McMahon. Yeah. And I think that's laughing at my job, which I think is a compliment. I don't think that's such a wrong with that. That's not a low blow. Not at all. Every Johnny Carson either Ed McMahon successful and Elvis was my Ed McMahon. But I do have a clip like I don't have to play it. But this is like the last time ever. This is going to be reference.

I guess here. So I don't know if this ever got played on Toronto Mike. That's why I can't remember, but it was loaded up. But this is sort of a moment. So I had Allen's Wagon there because he didn't like, I was talking to Brad Bradford about bike lanes and I get it like in the sense that, uh, this is, I would be like, I don't want to hear a politician talk about bike lanes, but I, if it wasn't my show, I would probably just let it run its course, like, because I'm not the producer of this show.

So if this host wants to talk to Brad Bradford, and I will remind people that anyone who came to TMLX 17 and wanted on the mic, got on the mic. Anyone. Literally anyone. Your mics are extremely democratic. Anyone, right? And Brad Bradford was there, who I respect, and I enjoyed our conversation. He's going to come back in 2025. So brace yourself. And I wanted to ask him about bill two one two, cause he supported it. He supported it Tyler. You did. Like what? I need to have a little chat with this

active cyclist. Right. So Alan didn't like that, but we couldn't hear him yelling. So we came up to us to, to let us know, like stop talking to this guy about bike lanes or whatever. And then he came on the, then I asked him if he could come on the mic and then he went at the Ed McMahon thing And then I remembered that Katie lore was in the building and I wanted to talk about the worst podcast So do you want to hear the world the the tea that was spilled about the worst podcast sure absolutely Alan you yelled at me, but no one could hear you because the mics weren't pointing I yelled at you because it was really boring and you let a politician, no offense, make a speech for

10 minutes on your fast talking. On the other hand, I did understand what he was talking about, which I haven't understood a fucking thing since I got here. But I'll just say this. Thank God we have Doug Ford, whose decisions are all driven by data. You know what? People from Etobicoke are complaining about bike lanes, not because when they're on their bike they hate being in the lane, but because when they're in their car They hate that there's a bike lane. Yeah big fucking deal Anyway, anyway, yes

You know I drive too yes, it's it's harder to drive but I'm you know I imagine a day when there are more bike lanes and they're all safe and there's lots of people driving bikes And if you're good takes longer in your car take the fucking TTC. That's what honestly Words of wisdom so Alan I'm not here to know first. I'm glad you're here you the politician. I Should have had Brad for I should have had Allen's wagon, but that would have been Langer Campbell That's you. Anyway, yeah, have been Langer Campbell sort of ask. That's you. Anyway, yeah, there's Katie, my co-host on our basically defunct podcast called The Worst Podcast.

Is that breaking news, though? Is it defunct? Well, it's not you know what? When somebody doesn't call you for a year, you start to assume that they're not renewing you. So that's basically nobody on the me set the table. No, I'm not on the official word. I just basically like... Elvis. When the producers ghost you, you kind of get the idea after a while. So let me set the table.

Canada Lant and Katie, welcome to Toronto Mic'd again. Thank you. Thank you. You're amazing. Katie, you were the producer of the worst podcast. Yeah, co-producer. Co-... There was like eight people-producer. Co-producer. There was like eight people working on that.

There was two producers. I was the one that sadly got the mic. And your voice was on the show. Yes. Because I listened in and, oh, there's Katie. Yeah, that's me. I needed a sidekick and I couldn't have done... They, you know, that sometimes happens in life.

They assign you a person you're saying, oh, like, who the fuck is this? And then we were great. We were like, not quite Sonny and Cher. I thought you truly hated me at first. We had a Sonny and Cher vibe going. Well, Katie, was it love at first sight? No. I would say I was like probably 98% convinced Alan wanted,

well, like preferred if I didn't exist at all And then we did our first interview and I was like wait, I think we could actually be pals And then we did become pals and it's been a beautiful friendship ever since. But you quit the show. Yeah, cuz I don't like Alan Well, she didn't know, wait a second. She didn't quit the on-air part Yeah, she's still on the air if the show existed. But you haven't recorded in a while. What? You have not recorded in a while. Mike, we were contracted for six episodes.

We did six episodes and now we're wondering what the heck is going to happen. How long has it been since the last recording? Are we talking like six months? Who cares? It's over. Five gallons. This is Toronto Mike. This is not the worst podcast. Move on. Although maybe it is the worst podcast. He's programming you too. I know. He's vlogging. That's encroachment. Come on. You know, okay, over a million downloads, Alan, okay? Yeah. Ian's somewhere in the room. Can we get Brad? I know, but that's 1,500 episodes. And if you love this kind of fan you should a hundred percent listen to the worst podcast

Okay, so why is it defunct though Katie? I'm gonna talk to Katie first Katie. You're no longer with the company So you left Canada land? Yeah, and you're working somewhere else now. Yeah, I was a freelance podcast producer So Canada land was one of my many gigs that I had and yeah we are contracted for this is how the podcasting industry works this is not like a shocking revelation but sometimes I just work will hire you to do a specific amount of episodes for a miniseries to see how it goes and then after that they're like what do you know I know know why I came today but I didn't come to talk about fucking bike lanes and how my show failed So you brought it up actually I didn't even know your show failed and I'm starting I'm starting to understand Jojo Chinto now

This is a pay-per-view portion of this show really so Alan knows could be checked quite a bit Alan No, I'm a big swag fan. Okay, when I mentioned the raw man episode when Jeff Rogers turned me on to Rob Nash he spoke about Steve Fonio and he started talking about Steve Fonio on one leg ran across the country again you go to up any random Canadian who with one leg ran across the country this is a story about you this is a story about how he mentions not Steve Fonio, and you mention my film. And I say, there's a great- That does not, you know,

that's nothing for any of us to comment on. There's another thing- No, you literally made the movie that I referenced. Anyway, go ahead. Thank you for- No, this is me saying to Rob Nash, there's a film you need to seek out to watch about Steve Fonio.

I said it's an excellent film made by FOTM Allen's wife. You know what? I get hard every time you shout me out so. All right so it keeps going. I see this is a long clip here but this is the tea being spilled about Canada land and I thought it was pretty cool to get the host of the worst podcast because I followed it kind of closely because I was curious what was going on named one of the best podcasts or Canadian podcasts of 2024 by Amazon Amazon featured in why is the where and I think the man gentleman he refers to their ghosting him for a year is Jesse Brown. So I don't know I never met Jesse Brown. Jesse's I feel like Jesse's had tough year.

Look at a lot going on there. But what's his deal? Like, no, no, Alan, like is this stick? Like what? No, I don't know. Tyler's gonna open up another beer. We won't spend too much time on this except to say that I don't think it's stick. I think he's kind of a proudly a curmudgeon.

He made a movie called I curmudgeon, right? Like he's really a curmudgeon. I don't think he cares shtick. I think he's kind of a proudly a curmudgeon. He made a movie called I curmudgeon, right? Like he's a really a curmudgeon. I don't think he cares what people think about him. And I think he's in the, maybe this is what I'm attracted to. I think he's refreshingly candid. There's no bullshit. Like there's no bullshit. Like he'll tell you to your face. I don't like this conversation you just had, but what I did, I listened back now a couple of times. I'm not sure exactly like, cause when I heard Steve Fonio mentioned on an episode of I don't like this conversation you just had but what I did I've listened back now a couple times I'm not sure exactly like is it because when I heard Steve Fonio mentioned on an episode of Toronto Mike I did mention that there's a great doc on Steve Fonio, which I love by Alan's why I'm not sure He's like that story is about you

He keeps saying that but I don't know how that story is about me Like I feel that story is about this this piece of art you might have missed Yeah, we miss a lot of good art in this fucking country, but it was aired on TVO, that's where I saw it, and Alan Zweig made it. And I was just trying to celebrate this piece of art, because Alan Zweig is a great filmmaker. Yeah, again, and clearly someone who cares,

like you don't make these documentaries because you're trying to get rich necessarily, so credit Tim for putting this together. I just don't get what his deal is. Well, I'm going to crack open another beer. Okay. And I'm here to say that I got a lot of feedback about TMLX 17 and some of it was about Kevin Shea and some of it was about leave a FAMCA, but a lot of it was about Allen's WIG. And I think that's a better than some boring PR speak sort of like, you know, Brad Bradford comes on and he's,

he's toeing the, he's a politician. So he's doing stick. He's going to do stick essentially reading the talking points, memos or whatever ends. Why doesn't have talking points memos? He's going to talk from the heart, from the head and you either like it or you don't. And if you don't, you know, you're like, yeah. And I can see why some people don't like it. It's a bit abrasive and it's a bit, even listening back, it's a little bit tough to stomach or whatever, but I lived that in real time and it was a highlight for me. Like, uh, I didn't know what he was going to say next. And uh, I respected, uh, the source.

It's a real talk. Yeah. Am I nuts for Diggins? Why? No, I don't think so. Is this a Stockholm syndrome? No, he's, he's authentic and he's, you know, he's himself and it's, he's nothing if not memorable. So I like the hearing he was in the car with like Blair Packham and who was the third person in that Simon Rakoff? What a car, like an all three great FOTM Simon Rakoff's funny and Blair Packham's, you know, Blair Packham's ex-wife is my guest on Monday. Oh, Arlene Bishop is her name. Right. Arlene Bishop makes her Toronto Mike debut on Monday. Yeah. It's like, okay, let's do this thing. But I love Blair Packham.

I love Simon Rakoff and I love Alan Zweig. And I think it's amazing that they, I think one of them couldn't drive because of eye surgery. That was Blair. One of them, it's a long story, but it's why he couldn't drive because of a licensing issue. Simon, I think, could drive, but he didn't have a car. So it's like they're trying to figure out like how do the three of us get to Paul in this kitchen. So shout out to Palma pasta for hosting us. I loved TMLX 17. It is the only time where we have a recording at a TML X event because we had three TML X events in twenty twenty four. One was at Great Lakes Brewery in South Etobicoke and that's when I got the kayak and that was amazing. No recording. And one was at GLB Brew Pub at Jarvis and

Queens Key. That was amazing. No recording. And then one was at Palma's Kitchen. We recorded that TML X 17. I might do that for twenty twenty five. It just do the same things. I don't know if we're going to talk about tmlx events, but we're doing it now. We're doing it now. So tmlx, I loved it and I didn't know it was great. I love starting with Kevin Shea. I love that he took twenty one minutes to start to tell to tell that story. I appended that story to the new year's eve release that I dropped and I still love that story and if he wanted to go forty one minutes, I would have let him do that. It's like the kind of post rock band that starts with like the twenty one minute

track rather than put it as like ten. It's great. So just to wrap the holiday episode, we had Ron Sex Smith as well with his his excellent chat. He's such a great guy. Cam watch. Did you hear that one? I've actually never listened to any of his episodes. I'm sure I love them. He's only got two.

But both Zooms and I thought it was great. Yeah, he was nice. Good to chat about his song that went to number one on the holiday charts. Do you know this Cam? That a song written by Ron Sexsmith went to number one on the holiday chart. I feel like I saw this on the social media.

Do you know who sings it? The version that went to number one. Not chart. I feel like I saw this on the social media. Do you know who sings it? The version that went to number one, not Paul McCartney, but Stevie Nicks. And this is kind of interesting. Uh, Jason Kelsey, former NFL player, brother of Travis, uh, who might be dating, dating a woman named Taylor Swift. Oh yeah.

And he, he lives in Stratford now, right? Ron does. Ron does. Not chasing Kelsey. Not chasing Kelsey. That would be a mind blowing. Pronouns. That would be a mind blowing.

Anyway, to bookend the Leona Boyd, Uncle Bobby stuff, the Christmas Crackers Up. So great to hear Ed back on Toronto mic'd three times this year, I believe. Yep. And the Christmas Crackers up didn't happen last year. It's back with a vengeance this year and it sounds like it will continue on into the future which is great news. But I missed it last year. Yeah, yeah it was it was missed. Ed brought some some really great Uncle Bobby tales to Christmas crackers

Talked about uncle Bobby coming to Canada to find his wife and son who had left him in England Which is kind of a wild story He had he had a couple of daycares called bimbo daycares that he that that was a mind-blow rain I'm not sure how if he'd be able to do that today with the background checks and so on. Yeah, many a rebrand sent in adults. Yes. Come on, be kind. Yes, of course, of course. But most importantly for me was this mind blow bomb that that Ed brought.

I'm ready. And I'll just I'll play the clip like it more than speaks for itself. Drop it. I want you to get up now. I want all of you to get up out of your chairs. I want you to get up right now and go to the window, open it and stick your head out and yell, I'm as mad as hell and I'm not gonna take this anymore. I got goosebumps again listening to Howard Beale there

in network, but that's agent court, right? That is correct and that leads me to the, what was the most interesting nugget of information that Barry Kent revealed to me is that when Peter Finch filmed that scene, I'm mad as hell at aging court, uncle Bobby and the whole uncle Bobby whack pack was standing behind the set watching that scene be filmed because it was a day when they were taping.

So that's a very, very famous scene, a very famous movie scene. Obviously Peter Finch won the Academy Award for that performance of Howard Beale and that movie is so ahead of its time. But the idea that Uncle Bobby is basically there. So as you're telling that, I actually, I don't know if you get the same when you get these mind blows, but I felt weak in the knees Like I almost collapsed to the floor That uncle Bobby was in the room when that I can't and you're right forget the fact it was filmed in Scarborough like if you're watching the Oscars, they might play that clip like what an iconic clip from a from a iconic movie and uncle Bobby was like a just Speed away steps away.

Just out of frame. Yeah. Oh my God. Even hearing that, I knew where it was going. I'm weak in the knees again. Yeah. That's crazy. It's wild.

What's that documentary about backup singers? Like 10 feet from- Oh, 20 feet from Stardom. Sort of like a 20 feet from Stardom. Mary Clayton and Gimme Shelter. Yeah. That's my favorite example that, man but like me, shelter literally every, every year, Oscars montage, one of the most famous clips in like cinema history. Go, go come up with your top 50 quotes from movies history.

You're going to have that one. We're not in Kansas anymore. You can't handle the truth. Right. That's like my mother. That's like worse than you can't handle. That's a pretty good Jack. Yeah.

Big Lakers fan, you know. God, what a mind blowing. Anyway, just not to like again, we're going to get to the Wikipedia updates. But when I heard that I updated three separate Wikipedia pages for that. The Uncle Bobby profile, the network, the movie profile, the fact that was filmed at agent court and also there's yeah, but that's that was clear that was dropped in a previous retro Ontario. Yeah, I knew it because of a previous

I would say I don't want to make like, you know, you can listen for whatever reason you want to whatever you want in this feed. I'm honored if you listen to anything in the Toronto Mike feed. That is the truth, but really like if you skip retro Ontario episodes, I got a question. You're like motives here. Like what are you here for right? You're not here for celebrity worship. Like if you're skipping retro Ontario, don't come to T M L X events. Right? Is that rude? No, well, I was gonna say like ever, you know, famous, you know, I think everyone knows certain movies filmed in Toronto, you know, Goodwill hunting Christmas story, Christmas story,

Jeremy Hopkins did an episode about this, but this is like a core piece of information that should be in any retrospective, you know, not just the fact that it was, it was filmed at channel nine, channel nine court, but the fact that fucking Bobby, I was sorry, your kids are upset. That's okay. Trust me. They're my kids. They've heard a few F bombs. Okay. They heard a few F bombs.

Okay. Who's the CFTO broadcaster who passed away? He was parking cars in retirement. Like he was parking cars at a, Parking cars. Come on. This guy. Tom Gibney.

Yes, Tom Gibney. Tom Gibney was parking cars. Tom Gibney was parking cars. I'm Gibney. Yes. Tom, give me Tom. Give me was parking cars. Tom. Give me was parking cars. I know that he retired from the news, but Tom Gibney is in brought this. That's right. Yeah, he's in the fucking movie. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's parking curves. Yeah. He's parking cars for like, um, I think an auto dealer or something like that. Harvard yard. I think he did. He would like he didn't need the money so much as he wanted to have something to stay busy. I

wanted to have a job and that's what he was doing. So you learned it here first here I'm just on the live stream here because you know, we have people here in real time reacting to things we say So Andrew Ward brings up Alan's wigs stumbling physicality towards the mic because we kind of over we didn't really touch on that But when when he wanted me to hear him He kind of barrels towards the mic and I'm I didn't hear anything and all of a sudden I see Allen's why running towards The mic and I'm just glad he didn't you know didn't want to slug me. So there's that and then Jeremy Hopkins Katie is not pronounced Katie her parents were high. What's he talking about? No, it is Katie I think it is two T's and Katie doesn't read, but it's pronounced it.

Yeah. Right, right, right. Because Zweig approached the desk like a Morlock. So I don't even get that reference, but it sounds accurate to me. And he enjoys all the TML X events. We, we met Jeremy Hopkins at a TML X. Right. So thank you. Paul McKay. Do you guys want a lasagna? Yes. Yeah. Well, absolutely. MF is in DC. So cams cams are bad. She'll be back in a couple of days. You look like you've lost a couple of pounds. So I have in my freezer from Paul Mapposta and the great Anthony Petrucci whose son delivered these lasagna is to

me. And he made, I made a joke about, we need more bike lanes because I know is, and then he said we should have bike lanes on the 401. And I said, that's a great idea. We should have bike lanes on the 401. That's a great, and by the way, another, uh, not an FOTM, but, uh, someone we lost in 2024, the patriarch of the, the Petrushia family. Do we not? Like that was Marcilio. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No Marcilio, no palma pasta. Absolutely. You guys are gonna remember him

when you chow down on your delicious lasagna. The best. And I have a measuring tape, so I'll get you. I don't know how many, if you have a collection of them now, because you're very sure. I actually broke mine the other day. Did you?

So this is timely. Oh crap, I'm gonna give you one. It's courtesy of Ridley Funeral Home. Absolutely. And I think people listening to this podcast would enjoy life's undertaking, available wherever you got this podcast. and I get to co-host that So thank you Brad Jones and thank you to the good people at Ridley funeral home and last but not least

And it was exciting that they renewed for all of 2025 Recycle my electronics dot CA that's where you guys go when you got the the old cable every time you go to recycle my electronics, that's CA. I got a note from Ian service. He had to it sounds terrible when I tell you he dropped a big load, but it was a some tech to be recycled. Got a CPU and here's a little FYI after that terrible body humor to tell you that there is opening for a new partner. So the VP of sales is busy on some other projects.

that there is opening for a new partner. So the VP of sales is busy on some other projects. So honestly, best value in town over a million downloads in twenty twenty two hundred and seven episodes. It's the best value in the world. Multiple men get to partner with. You don't have to be a rich guy either. You don't have to be Clive Smith. So I'm going to get the measuring tapes and then Tyler, do you have any more clips?

I sure do. The last episode that I wanted to highlight from the quarter was kind of my Oh, look at that measuring tapes. Measure what you wish. I don't need to know about the pile. Is it for measuring my coffin? How many do you have a number of how many times I should have? I should have tally. I don't react to it anymore because it's like I don't want to make them feel bad, but that's a very weak it's weak sauce, but it's hard to like lay off the belt high fastball. Yeah, you gotta, you gotta take a swing at that. I gotta go

for it. Yeah. My, my sleeper, he Henderson did a 93. Oh, what a walk on man. He just Ricky love when Ricky goes deep. Greatest of all time. You know, it really is. Yeah. Mitch Williams. Didn't like him dancing on second and he did serve up a got in his head. Yeah. Rent free. He, you know what? I did talk about this with Elvis in the Festivus episode. I've revisited that moment and I'm giving much more credit to Ricky than I did initially. Yeah, no Ricky. No cam saying he's not sure. I just feel like like

Mitch Williams. It was pretty rattled that entire postseason from what I recall. The greatest base stealer in the history of the game is dancing on second base and he's the time. Right. You're in the ninth inning. You're in the ninth inning. He's the tying run. Yeah. Yeah. But he's like left. Like, you know, he sort of curled back. You can see like it's fucking Ricky Anderson. Alfredo Griffin is on deck. Yeah. You don't want to face him. Yeah.

Like why would you even pitch Joe Carter with Alfredo Griffin on deck? You know what? Today they just walk Joe and go after Alfredo Griffin. I'm trying to think who would have been on the bench like, because it's like, like Darnell Coles was. Yeah. Darnell Coles, Rob Butler. Yeah. I feel like Darnell Coles. Like he would have, God.

Imagine Rob Butler gets that game winning RBI. Oh man. What a different, he wouldn't be coaching the Leafs right now. Imagine Rob Butler gets that game winning. Herbie. Oh man. What a different, because you're the least right now, he would not be an FOTM. He'd be like the Paul, Paul Henderson type of fee. Who said no to me at the Joe Carter classic, the only athlete that Tim Heron, I hope hello to Tim.

Hello, Tim. You're going to drive me again in 2025, right? Tim, by the way, Tim and Tyler have something in common. They both drove me to officially sanctioned Toronto mic recordings in 2024 Because Tim drove me to the geocardic. I think Tyler drove me to tmlx 17. I did what a sweetheart here So Tim if you're listening, he can tell you that Paul Henderson said no When we approached him at the golf course at what's that golf course called?

I'm Abby Glenn Abby and he invited him to come on the mic with me He said no, absolutely doesn't want to talk about and he's supposed to be a Christian And we approached him at the golf course at what's that golf course called? Glen Abbey. Glen Abbey. And he invited him to come on the mic with me. He said, no, absolutely not. He doesn't want to talk about the call. And he's supposed to be a Christian. Yeah. Unreal. How dare he?

That's why I met the church of Satan with Doug Braun. That was a fun episode too. I liked him. He was good. So my sort of sleeper episode for the quarter, What a fascinating character this guy is to me. He's a hard boiled detective, turned reporter with a heart of gold, heart of gold. He's got his own merch. Yeah. Like a hippo. Yeah. Yeah. He what? Purple hippo. Yeah.

He's got like this logo and he's got hoodies. He donates some of the profits to I find him kind of fascinating. Yeah. Wow. He wears pink. He real man. He listens to love songs and soft jams to take the edge off. I think he brought a Swifty bracelet for Morgan Morgan. Yeah. Walking contradiction. Uh, his love life though is off limits. You know what? I got that message pretty quick. Don't ask him about his love life. Okay. I went there. Yeah. Okay. Interesting. Um, you don't have that clip, do you? I don't, I didn't bring that club. I brought it. I knew right away that I'd have broken headlights. Yeah. Okay. Interesting. You don't have that clip, do you? I don't, I didn't bring that clip.

I brought it. I knew right away that I'd have broken headlights. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, he was very like, he's very vulnerable with you. He talks about the music he loves, but I was like, I could go there. Cause he was so open. Yeah. No, that was a hard bridge too far.

Yeah. Hard boil. We're talking about Steve Ryan, Steve Ryan. Yes. Yeah. Not to bury the lead, but best-selling author. That's right. So Steve is has seen some shit as he's discussed quite a bit on Toronto Mike, but in his guarded way, he opens up to you. He brings the soft jams and he keeps it interesting.

He also did this thing that stood out to me. He did it a couple times on a couple of his jams that I have a clip of, and it's just endearing his health to me. So I just wanted to play that for you now. I want to spend the rest of my life with you by my side forever and ever. Everything you do, every little thing that you do, baby, I'm amazed by you. Yeah, he vocalized the next line. Yeah. But he says it like he's William Shatner or he says it like subdivisions

or like the deep voice guy in boys to men or whatever. Right. What does that song is that like? No, no, that's amazed by lone lone star. Lone star. Okay. I've heard that song. You honestly couldn't miss it. You don't have to be a country singer. That's Tyler, by the way. That was all the bears and we're drops. Tyler, I'm just, I'm just making moves over a message.

So I agree with you, Tyler. Thanks for shining a light on it. Absolutely. One of many episodes that kind of came and went here, but absolutely fascinating to kick out the jams with Steve Ryan from CP 24, cause he is a hard boiled detective, tough to read, gruff exterior, whatever, but you kind of get him here. And then you, I become a psychiatrist or like an armchair psychiatrist. And I start to let me see if I can find out what's beneath that hard exterior there. And then that becomes my job for like 90 minutes. And I start to let me see if I can find out what's beneath that hard exterior there

And then that becomes my job for like 90 minutes I think the fact he shows up, you know again someone who has you know, he we all we all wear masks You know as you know, he's doing a bit of shtick too Like Bobcat But for whatever reason this guy came back to kick out the jams so clearly he's into it, you know being down here 100% yeah, you know,, he wanted to come back. So he came back and it was, it was episode 1,581, by the way. And his jams were predictably soft.

Yeah. Kind of middle of the road. I like that movie has where he says the line. Yeah. He did it a couple of times. And I kind of, yeah, I remember in real time thinking, Oh, interesting. And I'm glad you caught it a couple of times and I kind of yeah, I remember in real time thinking, oh interesting and I'm glad you caught nothing Where Steve Ryan heads over here, hey your jams your jams Some wise person said that once So that was all I had for for q4 EPS cam

I don't know if there were any other up that actually filled in a little like I there they're almost all here Just a couple more to shout out the the elusive Paul Farberman great episode interesting dude he showed up yeah I did like he you know a bit of tears not enough additional content sort of shed some light one he was getting the way they're signed or whatever by the artist yeah like oh getty lee there's your waiver neil young here's your waiver like fascinating fascinating dude just seem like a nice guy too. And the, uh, Celine Dion. Yeah. Totally. Oh my God. It was unbelievable.

Seen some things and then we sort of touch on it, but the Mike Richards is annual big announcement. Is that an annual episode? Yeah. When did that debut? Like his sports talk show. Soon I think before the super bowl. Yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. I think it's coming soon. Yeah. It's a, hope it goes well. Yeah. But again, they can remember this is airing in Calgary. He's got an audience. For sure. I don't know if you know about these Rogers

stations, but it's paid programming. So like, you know, we could be broadcasting FOTM cast on this station. If we could call it, we have Clive Smith would cut the fucking check. He said like nothing out of his own pocket like didn't he did he not say like want to do forensic accounting with him but somebody's producing this video like he's getting professional production of the video in Toronto and then it gets and also I'm saying oh sports like you're gonna cut this thing on a Thursday and it's gonna air on the weekend you know sports words right like

imagine the junior tournament right like I mean you okay I mean and it's going to air on the weekend. You know, sports words, right? Like imagine the junior tournament, right? Like, I mean, okay. I mean, it's just, it's tough to do that. So what are the shows that we got being Frank, we got out there with Melissa DeMarco. We've got this. I feel like there's others like this, a lot of the stuff you're on radio, like especially 10 10 on the weekends, like even stuff. Yeah. Like Mark Saltzman's tech show. He's come on and talked about that. Yeah. His move is he buys all this time with just media companies.

And then he goes to like, I don't know, Microsoft and stuff. It's like, I feel like we talked about Dotto Tech before we see Dotto. I feel like that might be the same, but that was on TV. Oh, wasn't it? Was that a TV? Ontario? I feel like was on channel like the very the new VR show. Yeah. So it's good shit. Yeah. So that was, that was Mike Richards

thing is always interesting. I don't know where the money's going to come. I just wish I just root for the guy. Yeah. We all root for this guy. Oh, and one more Mary Jo Eustace. She should not be named. What's the status of your relationship? I mean, we haven't chatted lately, but when she, she sent me a lovely email to say she was leaving me for Jan Arden. And then I, uh, Sarah Burke, who's an FOTM by the way, uh, gave me a new RSS feed to redirect her RSS feed too. And I did it right away. Like I didn't, I didn't do that move where you sit on it for a couple of days and then you do

it or whatever. Like I did it right away. Once you redirect the RSS feed in the podcasting world, like that means the, yeah, that's it. Yeah. That's like, that's the moment where it's got a new home or whatever. And I did it with a smile on my face. And then I told Mary Jo that, uh, I never got dragged by the tabloids before. Like had a lot of, like, it was an interesting experience because I have these 11 episodes sitting on this hard drive right here. I'm pointing to with Dean McDermott and Mary Jo Eustace and that Dean told me I'm not allowed to drop.

I thought it was fascinating content. Like Mary Jo's parents are on it and he apologizes to Mary Jo's dad who now is suffering. We learned in that episode that I recorded with Mary Jo that, no, I co-hosted a show of Mary Jo before she moved it to the Sarah Burke woman in media thing or whatever. But where we talked about her dad having dementia

and he's in a home now because of his dementia is so far gone. But I have this recording of her dad, hearing Dean apologize for what he did by like cheating on his daughter and leaving the, you know, are you basically redoing the episode? Dean said I couldn't air it. I didn't say I couldn't talk about it. OK, so but I have all this like this was

quite a wild ride to do this show and, you know, I met him through the feminine warriors and then Bob Willett told Mary Jo Eustace what I was up to and then it all came together and we did this thing and then the tabloids when it ended and then we purposed it and pivoted to make it senior bitches and then we hit number one and then I redirected her RSS speed and I haven't heard from her in a while. She's cool I think we're all fans, but God like it. I don't know if any other guests you've been sort of, you know, almost like in the, in sort of the third rail people TMZ kind of universe.

It's like Toronto, like moment I'm trying to be number two in this. Oh, I don't know if there is a number two because for whatever reason, the tabloids seem to love the Mary Joe Eustace spelling. They love the Tori spelling, um, McDermott angle. And then Mary Joe was like part of that. I feel like Tori's people are just dropping little, uh, like she lives and dies. She needs that. Like that's like her fuel or whatever. Is the tabloid stuff, which is foreign to me, but I mean, I didn't get named,

but you remember the story is that Mary Jo and Dean have, current tense, a son named Jack. And Jack's Instagram included this long thing about how I betrayed this producer and this unnamed producer betrayed Dean McDermott's trust. It's all bullshit by the way, but it all got then People magazine yeah quoted the Instagram story which Mary Jo promises me was her son was doing that because Tori's PR

people had him do it or whatever at a vulnerable time or whatever so there's this Tori PR machine influencing this Jack's Instagram, who's Mary Joe's son. And then, uh, people pick it up. And then that's how I get dragged. There you go. There you go. But anyway, first time for everything. Love Mary Jo because she's a sweetheart. And I haven't heard from her while, but at some point if she's in Toronto and she wants to meet for coffee, I would happily do that. It's funny. Like a quarter's only what, like 12 weeks, 14 weeks. These seem like these were so long ago and these were like recent.

These were like, you know, just a few short weeks ago, you know, cause again, if you're new to FOTM cast, the wrapped segment is the long one. And then they're much shorter. Yeah. Yeah. Cause so this is why it's going so long filter downwards, but I just want to give a shout out to the second visit from David Marsden. Because Marsden dropped by.

He looked great. The long hair was flowing. Good luck. And we got a long one on one chat. He shared some like untold John Lennon story. Spicy John Lennon story. Yeah. Which I actually carved out and made a YouTube video that got shared amongst like some like Lennon heads Yeah, you know heads. It was slightly mean you have those you might yeah

He was speaking about blind people but David Marsden I mean This is a like we talked about the living legends who walk amongst us and David Marsden is one of them like and he was Happy to be back to share more and still creating content. Yeah Yeah, and he was amazing eighties now. Yeah. And he was amazing inspiration. I loved my David Marsden episode. I do want to shadow gear Joyce because this whole convert this thing where I found on his sub stack, this audio piece called the fall of 87 and we're all similar vintage. Yeah. 1987 blue J story.

Even saying those words is like, it's haunting haunting right now and this was a great documentary piece that was dropped in a Rogers podcast but then was deleted at some point. I think because it uses music that's unlicensed But it was eventually deleted for whatever 299 Queen Which apparently is imminent the job We'll see but Gare Joyce, I said, Hey Garrett, can I just drop this in my feed? And gear wanted to confirm with the producer who's no longer with sports net. Like what he thought about it. Bottom line is I dropped it in the fucking feed in the fall of 87. I had nothing to do with it, but I just dropped it in its entirety and it's

fantastic. And it's a shame that, you know, we talked about parts of the internet being deleted. Yeah. That thing was gone. Yeah, it was really good. You've done this with, I feel like some CF and Y content, you know, Caval, you know, again, I do it. Yeah. And I mean, Spotify spanks me and removes it, but I don't care. And nobody from the red company reached out to you about this. I never heard a word from Rodgers about the fall of 87 being in the tournament feed. So you mentioned Chantel Kravyažek, personal highlight. I just wanna say the Rob Nash episode was interesting to me. I thought he was great. He was great.

He was right after the Ralph Ben-Murky, Brent Banbury episode that you talked about where I got the heck out of the way. Andy Kim came by and always interesting with Andy, but I'm gonna play a clip of something Andy said. This is Andy Kim on Toronto Mic'd. Well, I gotta do it again because I see it's way down in the mix here.

Okay, let's clean that up. Let's do that again. Okay. I'm going to go on record as you're, you're the only one that I've ever spoken to that, that just gets it, gets it all. And, and I feel so comfortable just talking about anything with you. Sometimes, you know, you're, you're there and you're having a conversation with someone and and it's pre or it's It's preordained. They asked the question, right? They're written the question and right, you know, so how tall are you today?

You know that one And I still remember You know that one? And I still remember our photos. I got up this morning and I knew that I had to do television and do all that kind of stuff. But I kept thinking about you. Because here, I'm relaxed. I'm not thinking about, OK, is the camera angle good?

Is it not good? Is this going to be? I just knew that you'd be in a good mood. So kind words from Andy Kim and I took it to heart. I was very honored and flattered and that was another episode I thoroughly enjoyed from the fourth quarter of 2024. And because it's gone on long enough, unless you have anything to say about it. I was just going to say, I almost put him in like Chantelle in the bucket.

Like these are people like deep into like show business too, but clearly came down here and just roll with the punches and the affection really into it three times. I think he's been down here. Yeah, it was awesome. And I I know Tyler alluded to it off the top, but I was even though I didn't do it for any money, I was really honored that I was asked to moderate this panel at the Red Room of the concert hall with the Gary Topp book coming out and I did when I got the list of panelists I said oh this guy's been on but these people haven't been on and I just basically did my best to get them on before the panel.

I think that's why the panel worked. I knew all their stories inside out because they'd all been in this basement for long-form conversations. So it wasn't just Gary Top and Gary Cormier, but it was Colin Brunton and of course it was Jeff Silverman and you know Ivor Hamilton's been over about a dozen times probably. But I was honored to be asked and I did my best and you can hear that in the feed. It's episode 1599 and that was this past quarter. So a lot of interesting conversations from the fourth quarter of twenty twenty four. Oh and tell you, Schlanger, just a shout out. Yeah, I like her. She's super cool, very cool, very cool. All right. Now, did you want to go to the next segment?

Let's do it. Let's go. So here we go. It's midtown guard horse. Well, he's a le erin guy. I thought this is all right. This isn't leon vile and a bile right right shit out to christopher war redacted and it all comes back to stephen stone. If you talk this for war here, but for god and cancon now i have one from each of you. So do i just play the cam one and then we do that? Is that, is that cool?

All right. This is the, again, I haven't heard this. I just got a link to a YouTube page and then I converted it to MP3. So here is cam Gordon's forgotten can con. I'm watching you play But I slowly drift back Memories fading but always awaiting For me to give them life Reaching inside me, I set all my thoughts free Back to my younger days Things never change but it don't realize why they But live inside my mind There was a time when we were young Okay, so that's no doubt.

It does sound like Mary. Because it has to be CanCon. No, oh, sorry, sorry, sorry. No, this is actually we've talked about this band before one to one. Oh, yeah. Angel in my pocket. And they had another song in one of the other CanCon episodes. But this song is like, I didn't realize this was also one to one. And I feel like we need a term for this because I was going through looking for options. I heard

this. I'm like, Oh my God, this sounds like no doubt. And I thought I was maybe the first person to think about this. She does sound like Gwen Stefani. You're going like YouTube, everyone's saying, Oh my God, it sounds like no doubt or something. So similar to like Dick Van Dyke, Penis Fun Lesbian. I remember thinking of that in the 90s and thinking, Oh, I was the first person ever think of this thing. You Google it's like every time I read it, more excited on a big time. Yeah. So there needs to be an expression for that. But this, this one came in 1985. So wait a minute. Yeah, this is a complete blind spot to me. I don't know what I'm listening. I mean, I don't remember hearing this. If I heard it, you don't know this Tyler. Do you know that I do not know that I know one to one? I know angel in my

pocket, but I don't know this one and in one to one else, I'm saying hold me now, hold me now. I want to hear in me now. Oh, hold my heart. Yeah, this is a pretty big hit in canvas was, I think a top 40 head. Let me give it a bit like the course. You know what? It sounds a bit like, like a little banana Rama. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What's the song called? There was a time there was a time. So this was a hit in Canada. So a hit, not just in Canada, in the U S too. This was like a minor hit in the US hit number 92 in 85 listening to a lot of 680 CFTR. This was like a minor hit in the US. In 85, I'm listening to a lot of 680s CFTR.

This was definitely on CFTR. If anyone's in the chat remembers this, I thought this was like quite a popular song. I was debating if this was even forgotten. Moose Grumpy's in that chat because Moose Grumpy says, hey, don't forget my prize winning tape measure. That's what I was going to say. Moose Grumpy, she'll remember this. Let's remember some jams. You got to say you're great at these for God and Ken con, because I completely forgot that episode. By the way, Andrew wards in the

chat and he says tally a Schlanger was his favorite episode of twenty twenty four. Why is he gourd by the way remembers it? Jay, how okay ho remembers it? So me not me, Tyler, not remembering. I tried to find this. This feels like something like wise blood could like tell us in like two seconds, but I feel like this was on the live stream. I feel like this was in a commercial like a just say no to drugs type commercial or something or on a TV show or something. Huh? So anyway, if anyone knows, yeah, ever everyone's heard this song. If you can find the singer of that song, I'll put her on Toronto. Well, we'll do a deep dive. You could.

Her name is what's her name? Luis Renny. And again, we went through this on past episodes. So this band later became Sal's Birdland and then later a band that we did here on CFNY, CFNY not artificial Joy Club had a song called Sick and Beautiful or Sick But Beautiful. Do you remember this? Not yet. I'll get Scott. Joy Club had a song called sick and beautiful or sick, but beautiful. Do you remember this? Not yet. I'll get Scott. Sort of in the same, like when joy drop came out and then there's artificial joy. Beautiful. Yeah.

But we're also one of the few Canadian bands to play at the original Lollapalooza tour. Really? Yeah. Alongside FOTM James B who famously said he was on the tour, even though he just played like one show in Barry and also the tea party in one day. Did you see James B had a go fund me so he could kind of recover from an ailment? Yeah. It seems like he's in the country somewhere. This is a reminder that how precarious the lives of these Canadian artists are like, like we have, I know this because I had a

You know a hospital stay recently. They didn't send me an invoice like I pay for my blood thinners but the whole doctors and the the the Neurologist I was seen and the hematologist I was seen and still see they don't invoice me because of OHIP right, right Like so it's wild to me, these Canadian artists in Canada that they're so precarious that there's go fund me. Yeah. Like we got James, we got, sorry, who's the six 40 guy Stafford? So Mike's that's yeah. Well, Mike Stafford's is a different thing. He didn't get severance when he got fired. He did a poor job of saving his money. Yeah. But regardless, like he's out, you know, he needs some help. But there

was just this, this story about this former MPP use like living like it just city counselor wasn't a city counselor. I think he was and I think he worked in like some MPP's is that okay. Yeah, but I did hear this story. Yeah, but I'm just saying, you know, it's like these are the people like they seem like they're famous. They're big deal. We see them on TV, hear them on the radio, there, there ailment, their heart condition away from needing a public support. Like go find me. Especially in Canada, like nobody's, nobody's that famous. You know, no, this isn't unless you're Chantelle Kravichek or the guy or someone near Bob

McCowen. Yeah. Nobody's living off their, any of us really it's a good reminder. Yeah. Maybe. Yeah. Anyway. any of us really. It's a good reminder. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, um, so yeah, there was a time one to one. Um, and just the final comment, um, this band was from Ottawa. And, um, again, we went through this in the past episode, Louis, Louis Rennie and Leslie how the two signature people in this band were very instrumental in, in getting a Lannisissette to transition from kind

of the dance pop queen to sort of the land is never too cold. Exactly. And then the last piece of content I saw with the Louise, when Alanis Morissette was living in the gub building, did you catch that nugget in the guy? I felt like Tom Green was it too. It's oh, maybe it was. I think it was Tom Green. Why did my brain? I get the mix up dude. I made a joke about Alanis maybe and they go because the guy was very sarcastic. Yeah. And he probably went with his as a joke. But in the moment of these like real talk fact gatherings, I can't have jokes. I need real facts. Right. And I think I

think I made the joke and he went with it and I went to my brain as a fact. Okay. It was Tom Green. My apologies. Bit of the Mandela effect there. It was Tom Green. It was Tom Green, everybody. Anyway, the last piece of content I could find with Louise Rennie was from 2021, a segment on CBC News.

I don't know if you guys ever spent much time in Ottawa, but she was in a segment about the closing of a, I don't know if you say, how you say the Zaphoid beta box? Oh, Zaphod, uh, Bebelbrock. Yeah. Kind of like their version of like Lee's Palace. It was in the Byward Market. By word market. Yeah. That closed a couple of years ago. So she was just talking with one to one was coming up. She played there. Tom Green was in the same segment. The Booker. It was kind of

interesting. A bit of that is interesting. And I have a name of this counselor who has fallen on hard times. His name is Lorenzo Barrett Barrair His name is Lorenzo Barrett, uh, Denetti, right? Uh, good Irish guy. He, uh, he's a counselor that awarded Mike Myers street sign in Skid Row, which I think Mike Myers cried at that. I remember like he was quite like, I can see that. Yeah. He cried when a Nikolai Borchevsky, uh, tipped that book. Osgood, right? He's, he's apparently a prick. That was a Tim Scholder.

Good memory. Good memory. And in the big quote afterwards, because I tell my oldest all the time, unbelievable, unbelievable. Yeah. And the passion continues VHS around the corner. We'll watch it after we got the kids still love it. We should record ourselves watching the with Damien Cox with hair. Oh my God. Like a watch along of that would be like, let's make that happen in twenty five and write this down. Okay. So yes, Lorenzo bearer, bearer, dinetti falling on her time. So yeah. All right. And that's a great can con that was forgotten by me, even though everyone else seemed to

remember it, but I got Tyler. Yeah, he's got a forgotten can come in. So let's listen to this one. I feel I should talk up the intro. It's Steve right. This is this is a Steve Ryan. Yeah, he he would fucking love this one. Yeah, careful. Oh, she thinks she's gonna change the world,

but it down on paper Sends it to no one Lesley gets a phone call Anything? Not yet Tells her that it's over Wipes the stars out of her mouth I need a chorus, I need a chorus

It's coming I need a chorus Talkin' survival I need a chorus. I need a chorus. It's coming. I need a chorus. Can we yacht rocky? Yeah. Very much so. It's not Joni loves Chachi is it? Is this a theme song from Joni loves Chachi? Wowazgordon watching Cam on the livestream? Trying to come up with this fucking song. So you know this song?

I do. I got nothing. Is it a Hamilton guy or something? No. Well, there's a Hamilton connection to this. Of course. That's why you know it. Yeah. All right. Tell me. I don't know it. This guy's a pro bar. All right. So not to step on Cam's toes.

This is his bread and butter. But this song has been banging around in my head for about 40 years. And it comes to the front of my mind every once in a while. So I thought maybe by talking about it, I could just get it out of my head forever. Yeah, do it. So this is what we're here for. This is the haunting by a Toronto band called The Front. Not to be confused with Popular Front, not which becomes lowest. Exactly. No. So Tim Thorny, who's a name that might ring in Thornley? No

totally burning and Joel Feeney were the primary guys in the band. Mr. Feeney. So the song is man boy meets world. It's world exactly where the voice, a word association. It was the voice of kit. Yeah, exactly writer. I fucking love. So here's another word associated for you. He kept saying Michael and I don't like this song was written by Tim Thorny and Paul Henderson scores for Canada. So not that Paul Henderson or the other Paul Henderson. This is a different Paul and third. Yeah, they don't they really so Paul Henderson didn't really do much beyond this. Tim Thor. He died in twenty twenty two. You talked about

this actually with twelve thirty six when he died and he brought a different front jam to to the show. Okay, so he was a songwriter. He wrote a number of songs with Lisa Del Bello in the early eighties tango. She was that tame. Yeah, yeah, and we're gonna talk about pain again in a minute. Also, she's saying the oh, you're gonna have the Stephen Stone fact. No, she's saying the theme song. All right, the next generation. Oh yeah, that's a mind blow. It is a mind blow. So Tim Thorny also co-produced an album for Jimmy Rankin. He also co-produced so called chaos for Alanis Morissette in two thousand and four. Okay, not to be confused with Order from Chaos, which is a great kids' realm.

That was like your last dance pop album? No, that was 2004. 2004, dude! This is like 2004, right? Okay, sorry. Oh my God. What year is it? What's going on? You're like that... Carry on. Robin Williams carry on.

Joel Feeney was another guy who bounced around as a songwriter. He put out a couple albums of his own. He's written songs by Billy Newton Davis. Oh, FOTM. By Stars written songs by Billy Newton Davis. Oh, yeah. By Starship, by Leanne Rimes, music by guys who might perm their pubes. That's Jeremy Hopkins. I can't believe that gave us Jeremy Hopkins on the live. Thank God I want to live streams about him.

By the way, Jeremy, I saw your comment earlier. I did love the Halloween ghost story episode of that you and Mike did. So the front were on Duke Street Records, which was a Toronto Indy label that's come up a few times. Art Bergman was on Duke Street, absolutely chalk circles, James, the Brie. Yeah, Elsa, what's her S S so Duke Street was was only an operation for about ten years. It shut down in

nineteen and ninety four and was absorbed by Universal Music. Of course it was founded by Hamilton absorbed it. That's right. It was founded by a guy named Andy Hermant, who of note to this crowd was also the founder of Manta Sound. I'm going to fall off. Oh my God. I know what's coming. A certain track called tears are not enough was recorded.

I can't believe the words that Tyler's saying right now. It gets better. Just, I can't's coming. I know what's coming. A certain track called tears are not enough was recorded. I can't believe the words that Tyler's right now. It gets better. Just I can't get better. I don't feel well. I don't feel well. Kill the lights. So the front put out two albums, one eighty three, one and eight, one and eighty four. Of course they did the haunting doesn't appear on either of them was just a single that came out in eighty three, but it got a ton of radio play on my station at the time, which was CKOC and Hamilton. Yeah, three, but it got a ton of radio play on my station at the time, which was CKOC and Hamilton. Yeah. You and Rob. Yeah. So the other guy who is a critical link to Tain is this guy named Haywood Parrot, and he was a studio engineer who worked

at Manta Sound. Okay. He was one of the engineers on Tain and he's playing keys on that song. Thank God, the haunting by the front. So it all comes back to Tain just like Kevin Shea. It was a long way to get there, but it was worth it. Yeah. Shout out to the front. Shout out to the haunting. So it sounds like these guys could have easily, you know, been the Uncle Bobby to network as you know, they might have been off camera. They were in the room while Neil Young was talking to him. That's right. Yeah.

All those famous moments. So there's there's another guy you got to get in twenty twenty five is Andy Herman, the Duke Street Records guy. Okay, send me the note. I'm actually a malt now at this point is like I got to collect these guys. No one's talking to their important is Duke Street, the one who something to weird Al Yankovic to know what I think of attic, right, right, right, out there, which was also maestro and his partner also died that same year. I believe William right, right, right, Yeah, which was also Maestro and his partner also died that same year. I believe William right right right right tough year for Attic, but that's

where Kevin Shea worked because Kevin Shea was an attic. He was shepherding around weird Al Yankovic and a sort of FOTM who I won't say more about, but weird Al had an appointment with her every time he visited. You know, just you know what I'm talking about? Oh, yeah. There's an FOTM who I guess I can say without saying her name, but there's an FOTM who was a lover of Weird Al. When Weird Al would come to Toronto, because we because Attic Records would distribute his albums in Canada, he'd come to Toronto for the press and do Al TV and all that shit on much no much. Al what was it? Al music. Al music. On MTV was LTV. And I love fake interviews. Love that very much. But Kevin Shea would be like the babysitter for Weird Al. And part of that was making sure there was time with this FOTM. Yeah. Okay. You have to remind

me off of I'll tell you. I remember you told me this before. Yeah, I'll tell you afterwards. Absolutely. It's incredible. Okay. That was, that was awesome. Tyler, honestly, I'm glad you're on board. Maybe one day I'll also contribute a forgotten for Clem to like, I don't know. It's all, it's a lot. Okay. But so attic records, shout out to Ridley funeral home, al mayor, but he, but he died last year. Not just, all right. You ready? Yeah. That's why God love it.

Wiki leaks a weekly okay. Nation turns its lonely eyes. Yeah, we can go through these pretty quickly because we've actually touched on a few of these. How far into this episode are we, by the way, I think we just hit the two hour mark. We're at the two hour mark. I can't believe it took two hours for the name Mike Bullard. Oh my God to show up. He did come up with Ed Keenan yesterday. Yeah, so he mentioned him organically. Yeah, so like again, someone we lost in the last quarter, um, you know, sort of an EOTM as a were, uh, complicated guy.

I mean, interesting legacy. Well, I actually went to two tapings of his show. Um, I, I, I was, I went mainly to see the bands. I once went cause a guided by voices was on and I once saw the dandy Warhols. Yeah. And it was, it was fun. guided by voices was on and I once saw the dandy Warhols. Yeah, it was, it was funny, you know, is in that same building where you did the panel, you know, in that 888 Yonge Street.

Yeah. Yeah. The concert hall. Yeah. It was quite, I saw like Orin, Orin Ice. 888 has several names by the way. Rockpile, Rockpile Concert Hall, Concert Hall,

Masonic Temple, I don't know, I was in the red room. Was it, it was like the tech startup thing. Like you probably know this, like info hub or something. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I feel like there's still an element, but yeah, it was like quite the setup there. Did you guys ever saw Mike Bullard show? I went once I did not see. Okay. Why? Why did you go? Because my friend liked the band, the soundtrack of our lives, the Swedish

okay. Hey, hit sister surround sister. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, but buddies yeah, but buddies with the oasis guys, yeah, definitely did some partying. Yeah. Did you guys ever go? I went to see a couple of episodes of a John o vision to you guys ever. I never, I never went. No, I watched it on television when they had Degrassi reunions because I felt right for yes. Yes, yes, yes. You are John a vision like it was yes clearly aiming at a younger growl, like you and Stu. And when I would learn about the OG Degrassi crew, I'm like, oh, I gotta watch this with Andy. I do know yet.

I do feel like that reunion was, and I feel like Linda Shuler, whoever Kithood is, RIP, who was, has talked about, I feel like that episode was actually part of like the new generation in the reboot of them. And you're telling me Stephen Stone is going to come up in this episode. He's actually not. Well, he actually has already come up.

Yeah. Anyway, I'm really straying from Mike Bullard here. But point is, I actually tried to be the one to have the official death announcement of Mike Bullard. Oh, yeah. But then I remember, Mike, I think were, you were kind of the first person to report it. I had a source, an FOTM who told me his buddy in some kind of law services or something had told them Mike Bullard was found dead. And I said, Oh, I, that's interesting. And I had this like little bit of moment of like relief, which I think I talked about on this show. You sort of had the Otani's on the airplane moment. Do I go live with this?

And then I was like, I don't want to break that story just in case or whatever. I don't want to be the guy who said Bullard, my EOTM there is dead if he's not dead or whatever. So I held on to it for a bit. Sorry, I held on to it, but I told you guys, I remember this very clearly. Like I said, hey, I got a good I remember this very clearly. It was Saturday night. It was late on Saturday night. It was almost, you know, the cure song, like 10.15 on Saturday night.

It was almost around that time. I remember you had it and you tweeted outing it. Well, eventually I confirmed it with a few other, another, there's an FOTM with his comedy tours with him. And I checked in with a couple. Unlike Norman DeCosta, you getOTM with his comedy tours with him. And I checked in with a couple and then once I had it, I'm unlike Norman DeCosta, you get multiple sources before you go live with something. Yeah. So I had multiple sources tell me Bullard was dead.

So I tweeted it. Yeah. But I didn't tweet it with, I didn't want to put any like happiness on it. Cause you know, I literally just said just the facts. And I think I said something like Mike Bullard passed away earlier today. Like that. And then people read into it what they would, because a lot of people kind of read Glee into it. But there was no like, it was just Mike Bullard passed away earlier today. So you're reading that because you know what I wrote about and said about Mike Bullard in the past. He made my life a living hell for a good long time. The summer of 2022.

Well, just a few days ago, we had a similar situation where Dave Winfield put on Instagram a photo of Ricky Anderson and we're like, oh shit, is this true? You know, sort of Toronto Mike, Mike Bullard, Ricky Anderson, sort of different genres, obviously. But I actually went in and updated that Bullard had died. But then when it wasn't confirmed, I actually took it out and I delete it because it's again, they don't allow you to like source social media because it was, it took a few hours. Like if your only source is a tweet from Toronto Mike, they're going to rip it down. And again, like I think your tweet was Saturday night and then by like early the next morning,

it was confirmed. I think Canadian press wrote about it. I was definitely the first on like Twitter, but funny because that wasn't that long ago, but I would go to Twitter to put that. But today I, I don't put any original content on Twitter anymore. Like I don't even, I really dislike the place and I pop in once a day to see if I have any DMS and then check if I have any mentions. Just somebody's going to ask me a question from whatever call it was Toronto Mike and then some like comedians had started like tweeting or been down social media. Then I think

David Friend and maybe some other people, but it was overwhelmingly like positive. I remember because I see people are just like, what a great guy. He was really nice to me, really nice to me and whatever. And I'm like sitting there like, okay, like I wasn't going to post of I'm glad he's dead. My life is better that he's save that for FOT. I was like I'll save that for FOTM cast yeah yeah and like we don't need to rehash all the stuff with Cynthia Mulligan and what not that you know was not that long go. So again, I'll just say one more time complicated guy, but

yeah, so he didn't die this last quarter. Did he no no we talked about it in Q three as cam seems to think it happened last quarter. That's why he's No, no, we talked about it in Q3 as cam seems to think it happened last quarter. That's why he's October 13th. We talked about last. No, I thought we talked about it in Q. We did a late though. Maybe that's oh, that's probably why cam kept globe trotting. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's probably why I don't know like I'm oh, I see. Okay, gotcha.

Okay, so this is why we need to do these episodes. That's what I say. We need to do it closer to the end of the quarter. God, we just chewed up like five. I don't want to wait. I mean, you know, cause, um, yeah, people pass away and we talk about it right away. We're not going to hold on to it for a quarter. Anyway, a few more Wikipedia updates. Um, this one came, uh, for my new friend, Robert Lawson. I got to hang out at poppers pub a few weeks ago and spent some time with Robert. Who also had an episode in Q4 of 2020. Well, he, he did. And, and from that episode, uh, he talked about, uh, you know, his latest Randy Bachman fact check this, uh, tick tock video. We all saw Randy Bachman saying they were invited to play Woodstock the day

before and they were in Chicago in this custom built studio for the guests who and blah, blah, blah. And then I believe it was Robert like went to Bird and Cummings and said, uh, did this happen? Bird and Cummings is like, no, that didn't happen. Like there's probably, I'm sure there's like a kernel of truth. I think this is the thing Randy Bachman does. There's probably a kernel of truth in a lot of this stuff. Um, that's, that's getting spun into these yarns.

So anyway, that update from that episode from Toronto Mike and Robert Steppenwolf was invited to play. Yeah. Yeah. And the way that we keep this. So this one, I put this right on the Wikipedia entry for Woodstock. It's quite interesting where you see sort of the list of like acts allegedly were invited. You ever heard from like Tommy James and the Shondells and, and Joni Mitchell famously that one I could believe in. And told her to do a talk show. It was like Dick Cavett. Yeah. You know, like those are the Beatles are going to reunite and like the doors and. I know, by the way, I read that Stephen still turned 80 years old today.

I did see that. Happy birthday. That all comes together here. I just want to say Robert Lawson was episode 1570 and there's one more. I know this is from wrapped, but I just got to shout out the return of Steven Brunt who came by and he sat down here for episode 1567 and was very brunette. Like I think it was like I had Marsden. It's a good, then we did FOTM cast and then we had the brunt and it was a great. He's just always very solid, very always great chat.

Yeah, he's he's he's wonderful despite what I've heard from another FOTM, he's a good guy, he's a good guy, he's a good guy and just three, three more quickies here. This one I don't think was really based on Toronto Mike, but I actually totally rewrote this past quarter, the entire Wikipedia entry for the new music. Oh wow. I just noticed it was like really short, so I spent like a night, a couple hours and you can go look at it if, if you care. But if you're listening, you probably do care. So go take a look at that. A lot of rosy, great content. We talked about uncle Bobby. Um, and I only had one run in with the Wiki police this quarter. Again,

this one has nothing to do with Toronto. Mike, this one is like really obscure. So I'm not surprised. It this got ding. I said, God, this is so dumb. The first album by the Stooges, the self-titled album, and then an album by the Stranglers called Black and White. Both were visible in, I just mentioned this band with Mike Bullard, the video for the song, the official Iron Man's Rally song by Guided by Voices. There's one scene you can see both of the albums. I said it's featured in that video Wikipedia update in the Stooges album. The wiki police took it out said this is not relevant, which are probably right. In fairness, but the Stranglers they left in for whatever reason. What are they saving bites? I don't know like honestly like it's an it's annoying

but I'm like when they they killed my Harry Forbes entry, which is brutal. But I'm also I'm glad they do it. I'm glad there's like oversight to this. And it's like in their opinion, it's like, hey, you're your side. Go go for it. So. All right. Now, only if Wikipedia. So we're moving on to the next segment, right? Because I got the rap. I just want to say the Stephen Stone episode. I know I thought we were going to come. It was going to come up later. Yeah, I know. I think it was was gonna come up later yeah I sort of think it was gonna come up later I did miss let you you listen back and it was Stephen Stone was right after stewstone that's right you will talk about later but there's a lot of fun facts and mind blows about stone who

of course is married to Linda Schuller and she created Degrassi so a lot of like you know we talked about the Del Bello singing the theme song, you know, he wrote that theme song. He was writing yacht rock songs and more with Christopher ward. You know, it's all kind of like, I forget, was he a lawyer? But he had a book, he had a book too. Like he said, he wrote, it was a really, it was a great episode, a lot of facts. And it was like, so we had Stu Stone and Stephen Stone. Different spelling. And then one different spelling.

And then I just thought it was interesting that Tyler earlier talked about the, the kind of the festive annual episodes, but we didn't mention that. And Tyler's a big part of this. The Dave Hodge 100. Oh, of course. Yes. Every year for several years now. And part of that is a website, hodge100.com.

And you're the webmaster. I am the web master. I don't know if you can use that. I think you can for something like this. Look at Ian service. Yeah. Every year I updated with his, uh, his new lists and Dave's really appreciative. Yeah. Hey Tyler Campbell. I love the shout out from Dave. Yeah. Young Tyler would be any this time he did it in person. We did a bunch in a row. He had a six sister who sadly passed away, but he didn't want to get it, catch any cooties for me and bring to his sister. So he did a bunch in a row remotely, but he made the, the track from Grimsby and we did it in person. And it was

no good to see that he's turning 80 in 80. He's turning 80. Wow. Much like Steven still, he's turning 80. Uh, yeah, the later year. So and one last guy. Oh, I know you can't be a mid sentence there here. No, no, it's just to say like another guy like Richard Flow Hill is like in his nineties and still going to what he say like 50 concerts or he was out till 5 a.m. or whatever. Oh my God. He recorded like I'm like 47 and like a tired.

Yeah, I can't stand and I will show one more here. Mark Marilane. And oh yeah, he, he was really good. Because he was delivering the real talk on the Buffy St. Marie and it was good to get an indigenous man's perspective on all these things. I appreciated his candid conversation there. All right, I have another stinger because the great Tyler did all this work here. Let me see.

Here we go. ["Breaking the Law"] Breaking the law. This is for Midtown Gorg. This is for Midtown Gorg. He hasn't fallen asleep. He was here at the beginning. Breaking the law, fact checks. This is in honor of the great Robert Lawson, who I stopped

by his Cloverdale store in Q4. I bought a couple of books from him. It was great to see him in his Sunrise. At Sunrise Records, exactly. In his environment. Yeah, in his native environment. And it's funny, he had these books for me, they were all ready to go, and there's customers

and they're sort of asking him questions, and he's totally focused on me giving me his books and just like, you know, get out of here, customer. This guy's buying two books for me. He's a Buddhist, give him. Yeah, exactly, exactly. We love Robert Lawson. You know, I love Robert Lawson, but that reminds me of the,

one of the swags greatest beefs ever was the way that Lawson went at Randy back. Oh yeah. I think a couple of people were, I should have put this why in Lawson on the way together. I wish I had relived that moment. Yeah, but yeah, maybe in 2025, I guess, I like why I go come back. That that was like, he does not suffer fools. Robert Lawson, that's the impression I get and his visit. Of course we got a shadow because I love the soprano so much cam. Have you ever seen the sopranos twice? I watched

the entire is that right? Yeah. Oh yeah. I have the dvds like everything. Okay. I good. I good man. Now Tyler, have you seen the sopranos? Yes, I've seen most of the sopranos. Okay. The reason I'm bringing up because you know, Silvio, right hand man, do you know who plays Silvio? Stevie Stevie Vans and Vans in right. So that was the subject matter when Robert Lawson visited this past quarter with so little Stevie who I saw is because that you went to see the boss. I'm still like, I don't know how to explain this. Did a whole episode about it. I did a whole up. Yeah. One of the episodes this past quarter was me talking about the future of rock and roll. Bruce

Springsteen. I got to say like I'm still kind of affected by that night. I don't know how to explain it other than you have to kind of be there. Like I don't know. And I went five almost I went over five decades without ever seen Bruce Springsteen live and kind of wondering like okay whatever guy whatever boomer was it okay boomer and then I fucking saw Bruce Springsteen live and I'm still kind of believer I gotta say I wow I'm all in on this this young New Jersey guy this I'm all in like what would be like a track or two that like really stuck with you songs I had never heard before are sticking with me.

Remember, this is the night after the election. So I know that. Right. But he said he wanted he said we're going to start with a living prayer for my country in that episode. I have the audio. Yeah. And then this song I didn't even know streets of filled up, which haunted me.

No, nothing like that. Like that's it. Like none of the soundtrack. You didn't do dead man walking right or streets of philadelphia jode very little. You were screaming dead man walking the whole totally. I love dead man walking. It's like there's a pale horse coming and I'm going to ride. I like that movie. I'm a big Sean Penn fan. Sure. Yeah, you know, not just spicola, but yeah, just because you I like that movie. I'm a big Sean Penn fan. Sure. Yeah. You know, not just spicola. I just you ever see that movie?

He had like a bad go to right. You see that I was going to movies on my own a fair view mall by that time. Well, no, it's like we're talking pretty early. No, you were too young. Dead man walking. No fast times. Yeah, I've never seen like you were too young to see it ever so parental. You couldn't see it. There were boobs in that's with what's their name Phoebe Kate, Phoebe Kate, Jennifer, Jason, Lee, Jennifer, Jason, Spicoli, Spicoli, like this is judge, right? Yeah, judge, Ryan, hold your name in them all. I think I have it for us. Ray Walters in this thing or

Nicholas cage is in this thing briefly as Nicholas Coppola. That's right. Yeah, it's it's everybody's in this fucking movie and it's fantastic. By the way, I saw an interesting fun fact about the sopranos. Apparently she wouldn't have been that young, but like Lady Gaga's yeah, she's yeah, but like one of AJ's like friends or something her name ready for this Stephanie Jermada Stephanie Jermada. Okay, there you go. I'm full of the fun. You guys knew that one. Have you guys seen Joker too? No, I've not seen not yet. No, I haven't seen it. I'm told to avoid it at all costs. Shout out to Lady Gaga. Oh, she's yeah. She's in it like

she stars in it. That's right. Whatever and you remember where you were when you heard River Phoenix was dead right now. It was a big death for me. Yeah, I don't remember Indiana Jones was. Indiana Jones in The Last Crusade was a personal favorite. That was Stand By Me. The Viper Room. Viper Room. Yeah. Stand By Me. Johnny Depp.

You know, Jesus. Yeah. Generational talent. Yeah. Joaquin Phoenix. Shout out to Gladiator 2, where I went to see with because David Karn sent me. And I brought some FOTM with me, like Leslie Taylor and Lieve

Fumka. Lovely morning at the movies. I had popcorn at 10 a.m. or something. It was a beautiful, beautiful. All right. Anymore laws broken? Oh, so many laws. This was a bad quarter for you, Mike. I got to say, I've got a few quick crack at other Great Lakes before I hear about this. Got a few quick hits and then I have a clip that I'm going to fix this and post. Yeah, of course, of course.

So on the shanty, Chantel Kravizovic episode, uh, Mike said, uh, that you can leave your hat on was a Joe Cocker song, not written by Randy Newman. It was of course written by Randy Newman. Everyone. Okay. Wait, wait. Okay. Everyone knows that. Are you sure? I said, do you have clips to prove it? Did I say I can, I can go wrote that song. Well, you said it was a Joe Cocker song. Well, yeah, but that's different than saying he was, but you said it was not Joe is famous for like re imagine. Yeah, he didn't write his own interpolations of it. Yeah. And he's very good at it. You specifically said not a Randy Newman song.

Then I was dead wrong. Yes. Okay. Add it to the list. Yeah. Okay. I was wrong. That is a Randy Newman song. Yes. Okay. Very much so. Yeah. Uh, on the David Marsden episode, Mike said that St. Joseph's hospital is part of UHN. It is not. It is part of the unity health network. But UHN is the unity. No, that's the university health. That's a, that's a deep cut. That's unfair. Cause I spent some time in St. Joe's and there's posters on the wall. Yeah. And it refers that it's part of the, I thought it was saying it was part of U H and unity. Okay. I'm forgiving myself.

Were you just listening and you noticed that? Yes. Okay. Yeah. He's a mc-mimical guy. That's right. Yeah. We know Parkdale. I will say I deserve all the smacks for that. Shaming that that the thing that was a joke, do better, Mike. Yeah. But the U H N I'm giving myself up. Okay. That, that, that, the thing that was a Joe Cox. Do better, Mike. Yeah. But the UHN, I'm giving myself a back. Okay. Well that's fine.

Yeah. I mean, you know, these are not grave errors. No, I love it. But they need to be called out. More. On the Dave Hodge episode. Oh no, we're ready. Okay. You said that, human touch.

Human touch. Yes. Was a Bruce Springsteen song. Was not on tunnel of love Are you sure I said that yeah, I feel like now you say it I believe it is on tunnel or sorry you said it was on tunnel. Okay, that's what I think you said it was on It's it's I there's an album called human touch It's like a tunnel of love on human touch. No, okay. They're different albums different albums

So it's like are they in order there is so human touch came cause he did, he did the two albums at the same time, human touch and lucky town. Oh that. Okay. Okay. Lucky. So this is after born in the essay. He's got sunglasses on the cover. I feel like he's like leaning.

Yeah, I think so. So, okay. So we had born in the essay. Yeah. Bunch of hits. Yeah. Right. The follow-up, I remember the follow-up singing,

it was one step up and two steps down. Right. What's that song? Um, I think it's one step up. I'm on fire. No, no, no, that's on. One step up into steps down right. What's that song? I think it's one step. I'm on fire. No, no, no, that's on one step up. That's what I was called. So that's on this is brilliant. Brilliant. That's all really disguise. That's a great brilliant disguises on tunnel of love. Okay. And what song are we talking about human touch human touch? Is that on the what

what albums that on that's on human touch? Okay, this is the bolo tie. Is that released human touch was like ninety two? I Human Touch. OK, that's the Bolo tie. Is that released? Human Touch was like ninety two. I want to say that's a ninety. He released two albums together. You know, it's lucky to have 1992. He released Human Touch in Lucky Town. So this speaks to my lack of attention paid to Bruce Springsteen prior to seeing him.

Yeah, I made that mistake because I believed it to be true. George, it tells me it's not a lie. If you believe it to be true, none of these are lies. Told me that none of these are lies. There was the bare naked lady. The legend. I had to avoid that topic. It's still a touchy. I do feel like when Bruce did streets of Philadelphia comes, he's got the goatee and he's looking like a grunge rocker was sort of like, Oh, it was sort of like, yeah, then there was a wake of human touch. Then there was ghost of Tom jode, which was that's right. Yes, exactly. Later covered by what raging against the machine. Yes. Radiation machine. Yeah.

Yeah. 100%. Um, one more quick hit and then, then I'll play this clip. Um, Christian Simpson was not a founding member of Glu-Leg. G- the guys from G- Lawson'd you on that one in the room, live. Live Lawson. Yeah, they were there. Yeah, as Brother Bill would say, and I was not there. So the other guy, Alonzo, is the founding member of Glu-Leg. Yeah. And then this Christian Simpson imposter takes over for a member of God when he leaves for God. Right.

I got it now. I know I'm learning to see constantly evolving. What is Tom Joe does what grapes are a there? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. That's right. So those are the quick hits.

This last one is a bigger one, which frankly could result in some discussion, maybe some hurt feelings. I'm gonna brace myself. I'm just gonna play this clip. It's gonna lower it down. Oh my God, he's gonna play the clip. And then we're gonna get into it. I'm gonna mute it.

It's gonna be cringe. Here we go. Rob, what do you think of this song, Creep? I love this song, but I have a judge's calling on this song. Oh. It's not hip hop. I don't think there's calling on this song. Oh. It's not hip hop. I don't think there's a sample in this. I don't think there's an actual Holly sample in this song.

Oh, maybe Mark Crowe in this one? I think that they used the chord changes, but they didn't actually sample it. Oh, yeah. Well, okay, so then we have to have a whole conversation. That's a whole other sample. That's a sounds like. Okay, so let's talk about it.

I saw a lot of things like that where. Okay. More than sounds like, but okay. Yeah, no Believe that there's anything actually from the song other than just the core changes Albert Hammond and Mike Hazelwood. Yeah, do you know who Albert Hammond's son is? His son is in The Strokes. Whew!

The topic is cool. The Strokes are a great fucking band. Yeah, love The Strokes. So Albert wrote the song. Meet me in the bathroom, guys. So Albert and Mike write a song, Air That I Breathe. Yeah. 1972.

Yep. Okay. They are credited. Hammond and Hazelwood are credited as co-writers of Creep by Radiohead. Yep. Okay. They are credited. Hammond and Hazelwood are credited as co-writers of Creep by Radiohead. Yep. Because of elements of the air that I breathe. Yeah. Making their way into this song, Creep. Yep. Which was recorded at the suggestion of the producers Sean Slade and Paul Q. Coldary. Yeah. Now this is the very first single ever released by English rock band Radiohead. Yeah. Sorry, pal.

This is not a sample. No, it's on Pablo Honey. Yeah. He's ignoring us. It's like we do a book report. This book was written by whatever, but this year. Okay. So. So it's not a sample. Yeah. But what threw me is the fact that I, as you know, I might, maybe you don't know, I like to frequent the site who sampled dot com and they had it listed as a sample and it threw me off in my research. Of course it's a re creation. Yeah. Interpolation of the, of the chords is not actually sampling the hallies the air that I believe I feel like half of the the elastic album had

like issues with this. I think with also the stranglers and yeah wire and all these other bands so okay, so not sample, but you're right so yeah, I ate it on that. I want just just for some context. So if anyone hadn't heard it, so this was from a toast episode, the theme of the toast episode were non hip hop songs that sampled other songs, right? Non hip hop songs. That's wow. This yeah. Great topic. Epic bot. Great topic. But yeah, um, by the Hollies and I got to play Creep by Radiohead. So I'd say it worked out. I was wrong. We love both of those. The winners, as always, were the listeners of drama. Yeah, I blew it on that episode of Toast. I've been making up for it ever since.

I feel a great shame. But did you hear that one voice? It wasn't raw, but there's a guy I recognize from Indie 88. Yeah, he's got a job. He's all over the... I actually listen to... I'm going to tell him when he comes over for the next toast. When I think that's in mid mid January. But I was listening to the great eighty eight, which is the top eighty eight songs of the year, I was just tuning in in the car. I drove my wife to the airport and listening to this thing in one of the songs.

I heard Bob Willett and he kind of introduced like he's on the great eighty eight just introducing a song like he's a regular member like all over that real radio guy like he's a real he's a core member of the on air talent at Indy eighty eight now he's not just some guy who fills in and then disappears he's a part of the team now yeah right social channel is got all sorts of like oh yeah and for the scenes he does a lot of the content yeah it's good to see good dude yeah he's and I don't think he's his social channel has got all sorts of like, Oh yeah. And for the scenes, he does a lot of content. Yeah. Yeah. It's good to see good dude. Yeah. He's, and I don't think he's ever been happier. Very happy for Bob that he,

he's back on the good place. Uh, and uh, so that's breaking the law. Mike, no doubt you regret your errors. Don't, don't do it again. I regret them all except that you, you, uh, Chen one, I don't know. Guys, we're not done yet. No, first of all, it's been amazing. I gotta say thank you to Tyler again. My pleasure for all this work. You had to listen all cam didn't even listen to all the episodes. I listened to a lot of those. I actually listened to that toast episode. I remember hearing that. Okay, well, you know, you were the O. G. Toast. That's right. Yeah. Along

with someone else whose name I can't remember. Right. So China down there in the world is to stone. Alright ladies and gentlemen, I've not heard this, but I have received this, so we'll all hear it together for the first time. Let's go. Happy 2025, Toronto Mike. Happy 2025, FOTM. Happy 2025 to my fellow Hall of Famers. This is Stu Stone.

I wanted to really send a message to the FOTM universe to let them all know that they are loved, not just by me, but by a higher power. I don't know where I'm going with this. But I do wanna tell you that I am avoiding winter right now. I am on the west coast of the United States of America. I'm in California, more specifically in the Los Angeles region. If you're wondering where in the world Steve Stone is, that's where he is as of this recording.

Good choice. But yes, to make a long story short, I want to wish everybody a happy 2025. Have a great year. I hope it is the best one yet. Is this going to be the best one yet? Let's hope so. I look forward to coming back onto Mike's show, going into the basement a few times, maybe even making it out to an event where I can rub elbows with some of the great FOTM's. I guess I'm taking up too much time now,

so I want to close this by saying, I love you, Mike and Cam. And even, yes, even him, you know who he is. I love him too. You shall not be named. Yeah, that's, his heart's in the right place. Oh, you, the other guy, Stu's not that guy, man.

He had an appearance this past quarter. Yeah. Yeah. In a triumphant return, he was good as always. And yeah, I mean, I got a phone call from snow and that all kind of started because it goes from the Paul Farberman episode obviously who works with snow but I can't remember what came first me seeing snow at the premiere of bandits you were with me right I was like did that happen first or I think

maybe it was Katherine McClenahan talking about how she was at Tain, tears are not enough, the recording that made with her boyfriend of the time, Paul Farberman. You didn't call that clip though, where I said where Paul says, I said you were dating Katherine McClenahan at the time and he goes, yes. And I said something. I said best, best time of your life or something. And you kind of hear him go, yes. He seemed like he enjoyed it.

Yeah, he had a good time. All right, Stu Stone in LA. If you're wondering where Stu Stone is and we love Stu Stone, but I love you guys. This was great. This FOTM. This was fun. Is that it? Are we?

That's all we got. Well, we got a new closing. Oh, yeah. Any thoughts on this? This is the fun. Yeah. And like Spotify has left you the new one. This is the fun. Yeah. And like Spotify has left you alone with this.

Like it's good. Well, I mean, didn't they flag it? No, YouTube is flagged it to say I can't monetize it because it's a that's ridiculous. They detected Rosie and gray in there. I know for it, but Spotify hasn't hasn't killed any episodes because of this closing theme. Okay.

So, you know, like, so whatever, whatever. It's like literally like Ron Hawkins and Stephen Sandley of like, but like, they're so ridiculous. Yeah, I know. I was reading a post by Ron Hawkins today on Facebook. You ever go to Facebook? I haven't been there in quite a long time. Once I pop in once in a while myself and he was writing about how he had a cover story on

Now magazine and Lois and the Low were truly a band. They wanted all members on the cover and they had this idea, but the photographer was sneaky and he got Stephen and Ron to pose separately. And that's what made the cover. And Ron Hawkins said he learned a lesson, like that, you know, he didn't want it to be just Stephen Stanley and Ron Hawkins on the cover. He wanted the whole band on the cover. So I'm reading this and I was interested in these pictures and everything. And

then Michael Hollett chimes in like he's on Facebook. And he's like, okay, we didn't do any covers that were more than two people between these years because it needed to stand out in a dark bar or whatever like that. And he was explaining the only exception they made was for Rush, where they let all three of them be on the cover or whatever. But it was just fascinating that, and then Ron said, water under the bridge, but you can, we will forgive you if you put us on the cover of next. We got a new album coming out, but it's just wild to see this all happen. This is stuff that we didn't get to see before social media, Ron Hawkins and Michael Holland and this conversation from a hundred years ago.

This time next year, it'll just be two bots. I like that's ridiculous, but that's the type of content we need. We don't need the documentaries. We don't need sort of the tight 60 minutes. We need sort of the real, you know, the real meat and that brings us to the end. By the way, we saw Michigan at the art gallery. You did ask for it. I just want to say it was good that you invited me. I put your member. Yeah, correct.

Yeah, renewed my membership for next year. So we'll go again and rest in peace again Scott care foot. Yes. Yeah, buddy who knew and loved Scott care foot. We lost him this last So you save the internet everyone, please? Yeah download everything save Toronto Mike calm and that Brings us to the end of our one thousand six hundred and eleventh show Go to Toronto Mike calm for all your Toronto Mike needs. I'm on blue sky at torontomike.com. Much love to all who made this possible. That's Great Lakes Brewery. I just had an octopus wants to fight. I forgot how much I love that octopus wants to fight. I only switched to burst because I'd be slurring my speech at the end of episodes.

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