Toronto Mike'd: The Official Toronto Mike Podcast - FOTMCast: Toronto Mike'd #1661

Episode Date: April 2, 2025

In this 1661st episode of Toronto Mike'd, and 5th FOTMCast, Cam Gordon and Tyler Campbell visit to recap the previous quarter of Toronto Mike'd episodes and discuss what's new in the TMU. Toronto Mike'd is proudly brought to you by Great Lakes Brewery, Palma Pasta, Ridley Funeral Home, and RecycleMyElectronics.ca. If you would like to support the show, we do have partner opportunities available. Please email Toronto Mike at [e-mail]

Somehow our innocence is lost A little flat on innocence, but other than that it was great. We'll go again. One more time. Somehow our innocence is lost. That's my sound, man. Good morning from Toronto, Ontario, Canada, by the way. Sound nervous there. Whoa, new theme. We finally got the license. We got it from Rogers.

Welcome to TMU for a quarterly review of fact checks, figures and phrases that you didn't know you needed. It's FOTMcast with your hosts, Toronto Mike, Cam Gordon and Tyler Campbell. My apologies to the VP of sales for talking all over you. I didn't know you were coming in there. I was coming in. You talked and your lips didn't even move. Amazing.

You came in four beats too late, okay VP? I came in at exactly the right time. Do I do the normal intro? This is the only, I never remember how we do these episodes. Do an intro. Welcome to episode 1,661 of Toronto Miked, proudly brought to you by Great Lakes Brewery, a fiercely independent craft brewery who believes in supporting communities, good times and brewing

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Building Toronto skyline a podcast and book from nook From Nick Aini's sponsored by fusion Corp construction management, Inc Ridley funeral home pillars of the community since 1921 and today I will unveil a new Sponsor I have new swag for you two gentlemen. Welcome to the family Silver Wax. Joining me today for the first quarter of 2025's FOTM cast. It's FOTM Hall of Famer Cam Gordon and the VP of Sales, Tyler Campbell. Hello, Mike. What's the name of the song again?

For my speed demons, speed demons, right? Yeah. And how much did we pay for this, Tyler? Zero dollars. Well, this is just on like a CD, like a library of like, I don't know, theme music. It's not like Rogers went out and got ill-vibed to create a theme for prime time sports. It would be interesting how much did telemedia and like sort of all the people that hosted

prime time sports over the years actually pay to use this song. Probably the same as WePage. Whatever that CD cost with all the, it was 1899 at Music World. It's a cool song, I like it. Oh yeah. No, it works.

And we hear it, we get pumped up. We're gonna hear, we're going to hear greetings and salutations from the Bobcat. Maybe we'll have a FOTM Steven Brunt by his side. Maybe it'll be Damien Cox. Maybe it'll be- Just a selfie is okay or what? The late grave. Just for now.

Jim Kelly. Who knows who we're going to have with, with, with non FOTM Bobcat. Yeah. You remember Jim Kelly? Shout out to Ridley Funeral Hall. Yeah. He passed away FOTM. Yeah, you remember Jim Kelly. Yeah, he passed away too early. Not Jim Hunt. He also passed away. Shout out to Ridley Funeral Home.

Here's a measuring tape. All right. Here's a Ridley Funeral Home measuring tape for Cam Gordon. Into the pile. FOTM Hall of Famer. Another great intro. You put that together, right, Tyler? I did put it together. The the Whitney Houston estate did reach out and express some concern about our usage of

the track that we use for the first four FOTM casts. So we have a new theme. We made a modification. We did. Can I hijack FOTM cast right off the top here? Please do. Okay. I have, this is exciting for all the listeners. I'm shaking over here. I'm so excited I have a piece of audio that another FOTM Hall of Famer wants me to play it right now. You ready? Yes It's time to induct someone new into the prestigious friends of Toronto Mike Hall of Fame

It's amazing what this guy does for us. He reached out to Neil Young's management in an attempt to get him on Toronto Mike. I've been a minor for a while now. He was denied, but then he cornered Sarah Harmer at a West End Phoenix event. And I know we're gonna have to fix the road. She's yet to appear, but this guy once made backyard oven pizzas for Toronto Mike We're gonna have to fix the road. She's yet to appear, but this guy once made backyard oven pizzas for Toronto Mike and his family. Oh yes, he's driven Toronto Mike to TMLX events at Palmer's Kitchen.

He co-hosts quarterly FOTM cast episodes of Toronto Mike and has gone above and beyond to support his favorite independent podcast. We'll excuse the fact that he lives in Mimico, but we finally inducted Tyler Campbell, the vice president of sales into the FOTM. Bravo, bravo, well deserved. Friends of Toronto Mike Hall of Fame. Hear you, hear you.

I'm a little emotional. He can't continue, Cam. Is that how you felt, Cam, when you were inducted? Yeah, absolutely, absolutely. Although I was a little emotional. He can't continue. Is that how you felt Cam when you were inducted? Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Although I was a joint induction. I should have done this. You were, yeah, you had to share that

with the great Stu Stone, but I think I should have played that at the end. So VP was through all the important stuff he has to do. He's for everyone. I want everyone to know Tyler looks like he's kind of speechless. He's a, yeah, for Clempt. Okay.

Tyler, congratulations. Tyler looks like he's kind of speechless. He's a, yeah, for Clempt. Yeah. Okay. Tyler, congratulations. You are now in the prestigious FOTM Hall of Fame. Did you think this day would ever come? I didn't. I really didn't. You dared to dream. I dared to dream,

but there are so many worthy people out there. You know, it's a very exclusive class of people who are in the hall of fame. Uh, and I'm, I'm just so honored to be included with them. Uh, and, uh, yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm blown away. Thank you. Thank you very much for this. Great.

It's long overdue and I will now change the introduction for the next FOTM cast that it's a FOTM hall of famer cam Gordon and FOTM hall of Famer VP of sales. Tyron Campbell, that feels. Yeah, I can't even pinch yourself. Yeah. As Brian Dunn would say, pinch me. How are you guys? How are you guys doing? Good. Good. This is it's nice to see you guys again.

We're just hanging out at the sky dome slash Roger center. What four, four days ago, three days ago, Saturday. So this is my Tuesday. It's kind of a shit game, but I had a great time. We're in the back row. We're in the center field bar, had a GLB. I found the octopus wants to fight on tap. Do you guys mind if I crack open a beer?

Yes, I'll do this. Have a celebratory beer. Tyler Campbell. Cheers to you guys. Okay, here we go. Cheers. I knew that I knew that. Okay. So how were your thoughts on the so we did for the listenership?

Tyler scored some tickets to the Dome on Saturday. Scored is probably a very generous terminology for that. We all met, I biked over, I met you guys. Our seats were weak, weak sauce. And I know that they were right in front of the hotel. You know, dome has a hotel. You sort of peered in the window. I looked in the window to see if I wanted to see

if I could see a bare naked lady. Yeah, so to speak. See what I did there? Nobody in there, but then I sat on the ledge and then a security person from the dome came to basically tell me to get off that led. Literally nobody else in the vicinity. We have photos of this. No fun squad was kind of a cool photo. So can I grow and I had to confirm this happened. I couldn't believe my eyes, but we, so again, these are the worst seats in the

dome. Okay. As you know, the no one's bleeds. Bob Buecher, uh, Amash. Yeah, these are the worst seats in the dome and there's a, there's a couple of guys sitting, but there's no one around them. Like this is pretty early. There's no one there. Again, the worst seats in the dome. And this is a, you know, rather cavernous, uh, place to play ball and they're up there. And I saw that security guy who, you know, told me I had to get off the ledge, went to these two guys to make sure they were sitting

in the right seats. So my comment to you guys, and I find it fascinating is if they had tickets to get into the dome, they would be anywhere else but there. You know what I mean? This wasn't the hundred level. Oh, you guys are supposed to be in the 500 level. These were the worst seats in the dome. So why was that security guard bothering to check if they're in the right seat? It gives a fuck if anyone's sitting there was a lot of empty seats, right? There was tens of thousands of empty seats. Absolutely. Yeah. I don't know.

I can't, I can't answer you. Just speak for Rogers. Don't you? Not, not anymore. Not anymore. Yeah. Wow. Tyler did that.

He's got control of the board. How about uh, get, get the raw one on the phone soon to be Roger's employee. Uh, sweet, sweet. Look, I anyway, we'll get to that. That's the final episode of the last quarter and we're going to dive in. Uh, what did you guys think overall before we get into wrapped? What did you guys think of this past quarter of, uh, in the TMU Toronto Mike's universe, everybody. I mean, like, could you pack more stuff into a quarter? I don't think you could. Yeah, I say we thought you weren't working hard enough.

How many of these have we done now? This is about the six, the one that we've done well, fifth and then plus the lexicon episode before that, because I do feel like we say that every quarter and then it just continues to escalate and you continue to like spread out. Or like mainstream media. Well you guys kinda shame me, like I do and I'm gonna warn everybody, like the third quarter of the year,

I try to do fewer episodes so I have more time to kayak and bike. Because that is July, August and September. And if you live in Toronto, those are the primo three months. I feel like you take your camping trip where you got that deal with the car, your, your sort of PR exercise. Right. You know what it's like, right? So,

I'm on the other side. So when it's months like this, January, February, February merge, I feel like I gotta, I gotta hustle. I gotta be, I gotta create some compelling content for the people. I work my ass off for you guys. Well, did you ever create some compelling content this quarter? Okay. So I'm excited about Rab. You're so here's what we're going to do. I'm still in charge of it. You guys might both be hall of famers, but I'm still in charge on here. One final round around the horn. Yeah, we're going to go around the horn and we're going

to just, I want to comment on what you thought about the, thought about the vibe from the dome on Saturday. That was the first Saturday game of the season at the dome blue jays versus Baltimore Baltimore Orioles. I want to know what you thought of the vibe and then Tyler's going to set up this episode to remind everybody what the hell is FOTM cast. So let's start with you cam. What did you think of the vibes at the dome? Um, in the actual seats was really flat. Um, it's interesting. Like we may have seen a very historical game as preps could, it could quite conceivably

be Max Scherzer's only game he ever pitches for the blue J. So there's that. Um, but yeah, the vibe was not great in the stands. I quite like just hanging out in the bar. And when I went home, I told both my daughter and my wife separately about you guys should go with your separate friends. Cause I did find it quite fun just to hang out back there and see all the food and walk around and stuff. And the fact that you can get tickets very cheaply now, you know, it's kind of a place to hang out. You know, the 3pm start time is kind of fun. Can't you go to like, I don't know, GLB Brew Pub and have a cheaper drink and watch on the television?

Yeah, but I don't know. I also like remember we like for the last inning, we were on that little overhang looking over the Orioles bullpen. That was kind of cool. I don't know if I pay to go in there at this point, but it was it was fine, but yeah, in the stands kind of lacking. I would say what did you think Tyler? Yeah, same like the vibe in the stands was really flat tons of empty seats for the opening series of the season, which is usually a pretty well attended

divisional rival. Yeah now it is still or was still March, so maybe people aren't and it was rainy and it was rainy. So yes, you know, definitely some we do have a dome. We do. So definitely some, some other factors at play, but yeah, it's just the vibes around this team in general are just so lousy and um, you know, the, they were terrible last year. Um, Vlad is probably gone at the end of this year. Bo's probably gone at the end of this year. Who's coming to follow like kind of nobody says the Ross Atkins is doing a great job. I is yeah. Yeah, it's what's what was the word that he used to describe Trump's remarkable remarkable.

Yes, he's doing a remarkable job. It is much like the job to be remarked upon. Okay, so we all agree the vibes were off. It felt flat We had a good time again. I was in great times I enjoyed my again I this is new to me that I could find Great Lakes beer at the dome and I had to hunt a little bit but in The hundred level on tap I had an octopus wants to fight and I thoroughly enjoyed it and I enjoyed the company and thank you Tyler for the tickets set us up Tyler. What is FOTM cast and we'll get into this yes so this is a quarterly episode that the three of us do few people realize that the TMU

is strictly governed by a charter and that charter states that each quarter there must be a recounting of the events of the past quarter recorded no later than the 15th day of the first month of the following quarter. Now we've already violated that statute once as our q three cast was all cam right fell on the seventeenth and to do that as a way cam that's not it was cams fault yeah to do that we had to visit the governor general and receive express written consent. So we cover it all. We cover the pure numbers. We recap the guests and events of the past three months. If you only listen to one episode of Toronto Mike per quarter, it probably

shouldn't be this one because we go to that's an important point, though. Like if you're new to the TMU, the Toronto Mike's universe, and you're new to this whole experience, maybe you saw me on CNN, you know, like, let me check it out. And this is the first episode you're listening to. Don't do that. Okay. This is a very meta episode with a small M step back from the edge. It's an inside look at the universe, what happened in the previous quarter, and it should never be your first episode. Yeah, well, remember when we were talking

about switching up the theme song, one of them we talked about as one of the themes for this week in baseball. So it's a bit of that, you know, if you watch all the games, it's a way to sort of recap what you might miss and some details on top of that. And it's a bit of that, that, you know, if you watch all the games, it's a, it's a way to sort of recap what you, what you might miss and some details on top of there. And it's a holiday today as well. Well done. Big, well, gathering crowds is the twib song that we gather crowds. Yeah. And it's

great. And I could have played that, but this is the only day of the year where it makes a great songs, but this is an FOTM jam jam. Yeah. So shadow to both Chris Tate's. They're both great. We celebrate them today. Who's the other one? Chris Tate. Stepped right in that one.

So the Chris Tate from the Lazarets is different than the Chris Tate. Lazarets. Yeah. From the Chalk Circle. This is, of course, Chalk Circle's April Fool. Yeah, from the chalk circle. This is, of course, chalk circles. April fool. Yeah, I posted on bluetooth. Where did I post it on blue sky? I can't talk. I think it's too late

in the day for an effort. I'm cast, but I did see Hamilton Mike and I saw Robbie J, a couple of people we know in the universe who were talking about how you to this song is like they said. If you listen to this, it's totally you too. I'd say you could even narrow it. It's totally the edge from you to like that guitar. Yeah, very edge. What's that guy's name? I'm trying to go surreal names. Adam David Evans, David, I believe Philip something of it. Yeah, I think it's David Bob Evans. Okay, yeah, yes, very, very you two. Absolutely. So happy April Fool's Day to everybody listening in the TMU. If this is your first episode,

go back. Actually, we're going to wrap up the previous quarter off the top and we'll talk about some of the great episodes of the previous quarter. So you'll hear a little clip. Maybe you can go cherry pick that episode, soak it in. Don't be an Elvis. Enjoy this experience. And then if you stay on top of what's happening You'll be totally ready for the next FOTM cast which will be May June July, which will be early July Am I right? That's great. Okay. Look at that. I'm very good I guess technically would be Canada Day if we did. Oh yeah. Three months to the day. Yeah. By the way, Mike, congratulations to the first time I've ever heard Chalk Circle come, come up where you said, didn't say it was my very first concert at the, at the farm. So congratulations.

Did I mention that's the first concert I ever, I'm trying to get better at these, the great Al Gregor who was here today. He was why Al Gregor. Yeah. Who was here today? He was. Why? Al Gregor dropped off a new poster because, uh, season eight, good for him. Of yes, we are open is dropping this month and he went to Saskatchewan. Have you guys ever been to Saskatchewan? I've been through on a bus and, but no way. I don't think we even got out when I've been to dog river. Where did you go? Is that like the Regina? Yeah, like the parliament building? That's Regina. Nice. And I'm going to be sharing with the listenership what I learned on season

eight of Yes, We Are Open. And you can follow along on that adventure by subscribing to Yes, We Are Open, an award winning podcast from the cuddly one, FOTM Al Gregor. But he dropped off the poster and I have speakers for you to gentlemen from an eras perfect box and each get a speaker from an eras and thank you to Maneras and thank you to Al Gregor. It's cool that you know there once was a girl from Regina. Yeah finish that funny. I don't know how that goes. Where's Wendell of Kelvin Kelvin tenants? Calvin's where's Wendell? He's right over here. The great one. He is now

the great one. Did you get that memo? Yes, I'm going to make that happen. Yeah. It got at another comment on the wrong one, but I'll hold it so much. Mike Richard stepped on back here. So will we get to Mike Richards? It's the final will we get to Mike Richards in the wrapped? We'll talk about Mike Richards. Yeah, yeah, there's more. There's more to come on Mike Richards, it's the final. Will we get to Mike Richards in the wrapped will talk about Mike Richards? Yeah, there's a lot. Yeah, there's more. There's more to come on Mike Richards before we start. It's yeah. Well, just want to like play with the toys, but we'll do that after there's a lot going on today. So I go there to feed for the eyes in here. If you're, if

you're following Toronto Mike done YouTube, I posted a video. I took a video of me unwrapping a gift that arrived from FOTM Sandra Plagakis. It came all the way from Ottawa. Actually, it came from Rogers Radio, but I didn't want to put that in the video in case she wasn't allowed to send stuff that's not Rogers related. So I get this package. Probably just put it on an FOTM cast, but no way it's like it is Rogers here. It's like burying something. It's like the witness protection program.

So this is like a, you did a full like unboxing. I sat here. I sat here with the Peraldo. Yeah. They broke into the vault of Capone. They couldn't find Jack. So they all went home. Well, my vault can never be opened.

I locked it. Yeah. So I'm, I spoke to Joel Goldberg today too, who directed that video. I just quoted. So that I got a wonderful. That's that jacket is sick. I was going to wear it for Bob Willett, like just I don't think he'll see the

video because Bob's so busy with his Indie work. Yeah. When we have the next toast, I was going to be wearing that jacket because Bob that was at one or two point one when those jackets were handed out. Wow. So so so that's like a mid mid nineties logo. I guess I'm going to say that's yeah, maybe yeah, I don't know. I don't know what it's gonna. It's from the Plagacus era. Get my hands on

that later nineties. I think I don't think Bob even arrives at the edge until like ninety eight or something like that. So I'm going to say late nineties. I think for that we'll find out here. So I need to share a thought I had. Okay. When somebody comes on Toronto mic'd like Mike Richards or like Maestro Fresh West, who I just quoted from, uh, drop the needle there, they become FOTMs, right? Okay. So if these are, this is an FOTM, that's an FOTM. My thought is, and this is a, admittedly, this came to me in a bike ride where I realized not all FOTMs are created equal. I wasn't comfortable with the fact and all due respect to her, but Michelle Geister shouldn't be at the same level in my opinion

as Dave Hodge or like some, some Rick, uh, Rick Hodge. Okay. I'm going to pick on all the fucking Hodges. Okay. But why do you get to be at FOTM? Because you zoomed in. Like I feel like we need three levels of FOTM. Like these are like differentiating titles for FOTMs. I was thinking if you record in person, you're one level and if you record remotely or another, and to go further, if you record in person in the basement, that's like primo level designation, right? As opposed to Jim Cuddy or Barney Bentall or Chuck D who recorded in person,

but I had to go somewhere. Okay. So let me repeat the three levels. So and I have names and I'm going to just run this by you and then we'll get to the rep. But the highest level of FOTM means you have been in the basement. Yeah. Okay. You've been in the studio. So if it predates the basement, it still qualifies. But so Jonathan Torrance, even though he was in the second floor bedroom, backyard, backyard episode, they can't do. Yeah. So you're live. You came to me.

You've tried down to set the topic. You came to South right. So that's the highest level of FOTM. You're in person on my premise, on my turf. Okay. The second highest level is you're in person, but not on my turf. Like maybe it was at a TML X event. Maybe it was at Christie pits.

Maybe it was Chuck D style where I went and interviewed you at the C and E grandstand. Barney bento was at the CBC downtown. Who is the other person? I will. But you get the idea. Like so. So in this scenario, someone who hops on the mic for five minutes at Christie Pitts is at the same level as Chuck D.

Yeah, like the ass in this scenario. Correct. In this scenario, you were on my mics. You were in person, but you didn't come on my turf. But that's more like a drive by appearance. I think of, you know, our mutual friend, Ruth Kapless, for example, I'm not sure. So Ruth Kapless, Chuck D, about the same you're saying. OK, Chuck D.

I am saying that. We have to flesh this out. And then the lowest level of FOTM, but still in FOTM, is. The lowest at low. The lowest. Yeah, shout out to Tyler's t-shirt. But the lowest level of FOTM is the lowest low lowest. Yeah. Shout out to Tyler's t-shirt real slow, but the lowest level of FOTM is a remote appearance. OK, we all know the people who haven't been on my mics, but have been on Toronto

mic most recently, and I try to do very few of these a month, but I'm thinking of Greg Keeler, Michelle Geister. These are a couple I'm thinking from the last quarter. There aren't many of these anymore, but Kish. Then we'll go way back for that one But this is the anniversary of the kish appearance. So kish would be the FOTM of the lowest So I was thinking what are these names we give and this is very complicated We're gonna move on to the wrapped in a second, but the order of Canada. I'm a proud Canadian

Are you guys proud Canadians? Yes, of course. Yes, I pledge allegiance to I'm so you may believe The order of Canada has three levels. Okay. They have companion officer and member. Okay. So really we could mimic these levels. People would need to be educated in which order they go and what they mean, but that's part of the fun. It's inside what people, it's the listenership, the listenership stick. Come on, cam stick around. Okay. MF would want to know. Yeah. Yeah. MF would want to know why is this person a FOTM companion and this person's an FOTM member and this person's an FOTM officer. So we would basically, I think, I believe it goes the lowest level is companion

and then it's officer and then it's member and I could have that flipped. Can somebody search that for me? So we'll get this right and then everybody gets like these initials your other CC OC or CM so we will flesh this out so we don't get it backwards because now that I said it out loud I think maybe member is the lowest member lowest rung on the ladder here and then officers in the middle and companion companions atop Can you came into the basement? What are your thoughts VP? Just I was just reading. You were just yawning?

Yeah, it's companion officer member, or the- So the lowest is- Lowest is member. Okay, so there you go. Greg Keeler is an FOTM member. He's an FOTM seat, an FOTM member, so it'd be FOTM. I gotta work this out. But he's an FOTM member, okay.

Chuck D is an FOTM officer. And. Chuck D is an FOTM officer and Donovan Bailey is an FOTM companion because he came into the basement. Can we at least chew on this for a bit? But don't you think we need to differentiate between the people who zoom in and the people who come to the basement? Well, can I, I do a lot of, as you guys know, issues management professionally. Are you going to risk offending somebody? No, because they're still an FOTN. I mean, I don't know if we have this in the vernacular, but like people who, you know, have come down there and they think it's a raid, they sort

of don't know where they are. They, is this a radio show? Is this live, whatever? Are you going to confuse them further with this tearing and potentially offend people? Well, we get the names right. This won't be so confusing to gobbling. If we get the names right. So maybe that's our homework. To what end? So we can differentiate between the Greg Keeler, the Jim Cuddy and the Scott Thompson.

Okay. Right? Those are three different levels. Can I give a serious thought? I think this will actually come up again today. Yes, sir. Well, one thing that I, Mike, I say is with complete sincerity, I think you should be applauded. The fact that you have people on where you don't necessarily agree with their views, political views, how they live their lives might be deemed somewhat

problematic, but you give them about stewstone. Yeah. Not naming names. Would this be sort of a counter measure to that where everyone gets access to the mic to say their piece, you'll push back if you need to, you know, but this are you going to be like placing like different levels and like assigning these levels are strictly based on the effort to throw it out there, the effort that the guest had to exert to be on Toronto mic, right? Let the guest had to exert to be on Toronto Mike, right? Let's face it. If I say to you, this is my address knock on the

side door, the people who do that, yeah, they're top tier. That's top shelf. Okay. But the people say, yeah, I'll, you know, the Chuck D's I'll be on, I'll talk to you in person, but I can't get to that location. You're going to have to come to me. That's a level in the middle. And then there are the people are like, yeah, I'll come on. But we're going to like that. My was good when I'm thinking like we're going to zoom in or phone it. So like I just wanted those three levels.

I want a differentiation and we need to come up with maybe better terms in the order of Canada. It's even confusing me. Yeah, I think I think there's some workshopping to be done here. Definitely. Yeah, I think it's tricky because in the case of someone like, well, you look at the Blue Rodeo guys, for example, Jim Cuddy, you went to him at the woodshed because you really wanted to talk to Jim Cuddy and it was worth it to you to pack up your studio and bike out to the East End and talk to Jim Cuddy.

It's a Riverdale. Exactly. Greg Keeler is we'll talk about Greg shortly. He's someone you didn't necessarily think would come to the basement. I didn't think I'd ever get great. He doesn't live in town. It's you know he's maybe doesn't get the whole vibe right, but you had an opportunity to zoom with him and you jumped on it. Yes, yeah right. So not in both cases, not necessarily the fault of either of those guys that they didn't come to the basement. Um, I mean, Greg, maybe,

but you just sort of took a chance and went with the zoom. Uh, but you chose to, to sort of do it that way. Right. It's true, but I feel we need to differentiate because I feel like the in-person, even if it is at the woodshed is a higher level FOTM than the, let me zoom with this guy for an hour. Right. Yeah. No, for sure. But then it's also, well, like Vernon Reed, for example. Good example.

Yeah. So you zoomed with him because he lives where? New York. New York City. Yeah. So that's out of really necessity. Yeah. Like he can get on a plane or drive over here to get that top tier. It's important to him, right? Like the opportunity always,

like you have the opportunity if you wish to be dumb, you have, everyone has the opportunity to do it doors, always unlocked. If I, if I really want to talk to you and you're willing to let me come to you, but you won't come to me, I'll make that call for myself, but that whole, uh, Leona Boyd level, I feel the Leona Boyd level, which is, yeah, I'll go on Toronto Mike, but I'm in wherever she is now. I don't know if she was in Florida, but now I think she's here, but I'll go on Toronto Mike, but I'm not visiting Toronto Mike. Like I feel, I just want to have three tiers. Okay. And, and say there are repeat a repeat guest.

Say they've once they've been here down in the basement twice, they've done by zoom. If you do one appearance in this basement, your top tier lifetime membership, Marcy Ian, for example, she is tier one because she came down to the base. She cashed in her tier three and picked up it. And this does happen. You're right. There are people who do we returns and I'm like,'m not zooming with you again, but you can visit and then they say, okay I'm gonna visit the basement this time and then they get Promoted. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Can we so the names we need to think of but do you understand the premise of this? And again, you're saying Mike why over there an FOTM is an FOTM. I get that but I don't think so I think that the person who zooms with me for an hour

I don't think they should be at the same person who zooms with me for an hour, I don't think they should be at the same level as the person who's knocking on my side door. Right. Okay. Yeah. Is that a controversial take? I mean, it's not controversial. It's I think for me, I just need to absorb it. And I think there's some more discussion to be had. Let's roll it around on your tongue a bit. See how it feels. 90 minutes on this. You guys ready? You guys. Oh, my God. Are we telling stuff?

All right. This is the wrapped segment. This is the long segment. So the other segments are pretty short. This one's pretty long. Yeah. Let's start with you, Tyler. Maybe you have a tale of the tape or something. Sure. I do. Can you actually do me a favor before we do anything? Can you up my the level on my laptop? Yeah. Or is it? But I'm actually close to the right out there. You have to up. I'm at the top.

You're at the top. All right. Maybe that's just a quiet clip. All right. Okay. All right. Well, well, we'll find out soon enough. Yeah. Just do that one more thing. You're completely top. Okay, that's fine. Okay. All right. Well, well, we'll find out soon enough. Yeah You're completely Top okay, that's fine. Okay. All right. So yeah, we'll touch on the usual numbers in a moment But I wanted to do this segment a little bit differently. I wanted to make sure that we captured everything From the quarter. So I kind of wrote a narrative of exactly what happened over these last three months It's kind of a tick-tock if you will because it's quite remarkable I'm not gonna mention every single episode from the quarter because it was

jam packed, but they're really just a number of highlights that I want to touch on. But let's just quickly touch on the numbers. So the 51st quarter of the Toronto Mike podcast had 50 episodes right on the nose. Really? Yep. Three fewer than Q4, but more than Q2 and Q3 of last year. Okay. So the first episode was 16-10. Yeah. I'm right. In the last episode was Mike Richards. He was 16-60. Yeah. Okay awesome. 50 on the nose. Beautiful. You had 59 guests in total which was four more than Q4 but 32 of those were first timers versus just 19 first timers last

quarter. You know I felt they that a lot of first timers. Yeah, I feel like we talked about this a little bit in the Q4 cast where I think you were you were focusing just a little bit more on repeats in Q4 and this quarter in bounds, maybe a bunch of new blood. So I went, you know, a lot of this new blood, you got to go out and hunt for. Patrick Pentland isn't just dropping by because he's in the neighborhood, right? So I think, yeah, I think, I think I hustled hard this first quarter 2025 and the result was

more fresh meat. Yes, and it was, uh, it was very fresh. Thank you. Um, a couple of, uh, a couple of new honors. So Rob Bruce becomes the seventh member of the 30 timer club. My God. Wow. Congratulations. Get that guy. He was in the spin. Maybe one day, one day. And two people became members of the 10 timer club, including Mike Richards.

Wow. Well deserved, Mike and me. Oh, and you're in the hall of fame. And we are the 20th. I'm surprised it's only 10. Yeah, because we did those hip episodes. Yeah. And you draw by to do a recap of the Chantel crevasse. Yeah, well, that was my that was actually my 11th.

She had a big quarter. She had. Well, I got a clip. I'm sorry. How many people have been double digits? So there are now 21 members of the 10, 21. Wow. Yeah. Amazing. Because it was such a pack

quarter, I didn't, I don't want to overlook the contributions of the toast crew. Uh, the three of you once again delivered three very strong episodes. Shout out to Bob Willett for his continued excellence on Indy 88. He's killing it. He's carrying that state. He really is. Uh, and to number one, sweetheart, Rob Bruce, the Paul Schaefer of the TMU, the light to chat with wonderful guy, we love toast and Rob Bruce's promised to have a new closing theme for the next episode of toast. Yes. Oh, I forwarded that new like a new full time like closing, like just you're going

to find out I don't even want to sneak peek. I'm going to play it and discover it in real time. Excellent. One thing I wanted to mention because we neglected to bring it up in the Q four cast was FOTM Paul Farberman in one of the great apps from last in this last week, he called me, he called me to say, did snow ever get into your calendar? Oh, and I said not yet. And then he sent a note like a drug deal.

Yeah, we're getting to your doctor. Wow. And I said, uh, not yet. And then he sent a note. It's like a drug deal. I get a text with a shamrock, uh, top of the morning or something like he's like he's house of pain or something. Sure. Lucky terms. And now he's in the calendar for, uh, May 5th. Very exciting. Well, we'll have, we'll look forward to chatting. But that's gonna be a big one. No, May. Yes. So the Northern Pikes album, was it not? Oh yeah, I think so. That's by the way, that's Brad Jones from Ridley Funeral Home's favorite band of all time,

the Northern Pikes. They were cool. Yeah, good band. And an FOTM band. That's right. Jay Semco. Jay Semco. So anyway, Paul Farberman,

he's kind of a zealot figure in Canadian music. He's been everywhere. Shout out to Catherine McClanahan. That's right. So he, in his episode, he talked about being at the recording of Tain. Tears are not enough with his girlfriend at the time, FOTM Catherine McClanahan. One of the little Tain unsolved mysteries was whether Richard manual of

the band, right? Yeah. Was actually at the recording. So he's on the wiki page as being there, but I've watched that doc very closely and I can't see him. I've looked at the chorus photos, I can't see him. So anyway after the recording I said to you I wish that I'd asked a question of Paul as to whether Richard was actually there. So you reached out to him after the episode and not only did he confirm that Richard Manuel was there But he confirmed it by reaching out to Richard Manuel's widow. Yes

Yes, which is that's that's what we're giving back to the universe Okay, we all deserve to have order of Canada designation sure as I'm concerned like that That's I think the band is in the rock and roll hall of fame, not just the Juneau hall. Like that, that is a world. They invented Americana. Yeah. Huge. Wow. And I just, Tyler, while you were sharing that wonderful fun fact I shared with Cam, somebody heard us talking about Tain. Well, we talk about Tain a lot and was there and

sent me via mail via snail mail, sent me what he received the day he was there so i don't know if cam you can explain what you have there but that was handed out to everybody who attended the recording i don't know what i'm looking at here this is it's half like the program you used to get at the jays game it sort of looks like a playbill right it's a lot of like beer okay like i can hold it up yeah you can do that this is pre Great Lakes which I think was invented in 80s so they gave this to the talent or I think if you were there you got a hand at that booklet yeah like Paul Farberman right we got one Catherine got one got a stack

of waivers Ian Thomas probably got one this This is really interesting. The sponsors is really interesting. Gay Lee. Oh wow. Absolutely. Meyers, very tasty. He should do my ad read. No, I'm going to take some photos. This is, this is, no kidding aside, this is like really interesting. Just very cool. It's also sort of just like a slice of like corporate Canada. You can take photos. Absolutely. But I love the fact that a copy is now in the TMDS studio. Sorry, who gave, who gave, who gave us? I don't have his name at my desk. He was there.

He listens to Toronto mic'd. He thought I would enjoy having this. And he said, what's your address? And I said, it's this. And then it showed up. That is, Ozzy does fucking unbelievable. Can I have it please? I'm gonna forget to take a photo of it.

Anyway, it just fucking blows my mind that we're like one step removed from Richard Manuel's widow. Right. To be able to ask that question. You know, I think we're all similar vintage, but I think you think it's a big country, a big world, and then as you record a 1661 episode of Toronto Mike, the world just shrinks. Yeah.

Like just shrinks. And then you realize you're really one degree away, and then you realize these people are just their flesh and blood like you and You know some of them are sweethearts like Paul Farberman and they'll do that for you Yes, I I think this is sort of interesting because it's almost when you talk about the different The different like approaches to media on the one hand you have We are the world, you know big splashy Netflix Documentary and now there's a stage play and I'm sure I haven't seen either. I'm sure they're great. And now on the flip side, we've got tears are not enough, which is like, you see it surface a lot in

like shitty like Facebook accounts or Tik Toks, and then you have Mike trying to Mike here and you know, you and I do the two and a half hour deep dive and we're filling in the Wikipedia page. I think both are valid. I don't know. a half hour deep dive and we're filling in the Wikipedia page. I think both are valid. I don't know. I mean, this is just the, this is the way people are gonna remember this stuff. And again, we've said this many times, Mike,

credit to you for doing the work to fill in all these little cultural gaps that no one else is doing. They're just posting the same shit all over like Facebook. You know, I was talking to my friend the other day. Have you guys seen this like a really old photo? I'm sure Jeremy Hopkins has seen this a trillion times of like, like Joseph Bloor. That's like the famous photo.

And they have that version where he moves. Like, I don't know how they do that version, but he moves, he's animated. I see this like weekly on social media, different accounts like look at this guy, he looks mean. Meanwhile, you're here. You're dig up the real shit. You're literally have him in the schedule.

Joseph, he's going to really funeral home is going to sponsor. Nice. Looking forward to it. Can I read the live stream before we get back to Tyler? Just real quick. I want to say these are the sweethearts who are here on a Monday. Sorry. I keep thinking it's Monday, Tuesday night for FOTM cast. This only happens

every quarter. And I mean, there's good people like Andrew Ward is here. What's he saying? The dome comment by Mike is a classic. You know, there's a jumping thing where it'll jump on me if someone comments. So I can't really do this, but he did say my enunciation was great. I don't know if he's being sarcastic, but he, you got a big congratulations from him for becoming an FOTM hall of famer. Thank you so much, Wardo. Andy also congratulates you. That album is called Snow in June.

Snow in June, yes. Snow in May. Thank you. But Andy has an interesting comment. I just, Andy Pandy, shout out to you. It's funny, cause Andrew Ward also goes by the nickname, Andy Pandy. So there are multiple Andy Pandys at live.trony.com. Is that right?

Yeah. Andrew Ward also goes by Andy Pandy? Canada Kev told me that.'s at live dot Tron. Right dot com. Right now. Yeah. Also goes by Andy Pan. Canada. Kev told me that really. Andrew Ward, can you confirm that please? Andy, the O.G. Andy, the new kids on the block, Degrassi, loving Andy says, this is probably the first FOTM cast when I'm totally up to date on all episodes in the relevant quarter. She feels very proud.

And I think that's that's what this is about. Like and I, you know, there's been things we're going to talk about where my exposure was elevated and lots of people discovered this podcast. And I actually had a feeling like I don't want to be a podcast for the masses. That's when you got to dumb it down with the Joseph Bluer bullshit. Like I want this to be for the Andy Pandis, the wardos. I want it to be for a specific, the Leslie's, a specific type of listener. So I feel like this FOTM cast is like an opportunity to like scare away those newbies who don't really get

the vibe around here. Continue, Tyler. 100%. Are there different levels of people in the TMU who listen to all the episodes or who show up on the live stream? Well, that's for next quarter's episode. Okay. All right. All right. I get more bike rides. I want to get into that. Uh, okay. All right. So I don't want to dwell too much on the, on the numbers. There's so much to cover, but it

is important. How does it rank? Like, was that a particularly busy quarter? It was on the busier side, but definitely felt busy. Yeah. You're, you're busy. Quarters are like high fifties, low sixties. So this was saying, yeah, this was a, a, a low end of the high, the theme song explicitly states it's a weekly podcast. It is weekly. Yeah. All right. Tell, keep going. Okay. And a great job. So yeah, let's, let's, let's get into it. I'm going to talk through this. Please jump in any time.

We'll sprinkle some clips throughout. Okay throughout Q1 began as any quarter does another stellar appearance by the great Ed Kanan a Fun year-end wrap up by this very crew on FOTM cast right the first non recurring guests of the quarter was Arlene Bishop Oh wife of an FOT that's right ex-wife of an FOTM. Yeah. Mrs. the ex Mrs. Blair Packham. Although I, as I understand it, they maintain a great relationship. They are good friends. Um, very special episode. She brought a lot to the table, uh, stories about her late ex boyfriend, her career. She's done that story. She told about waking up and her boyfriend being dead beside her. Uh, Cam, did you listen to the art lane? But he's going to expose everybody.

I did not hear this. You're the new co-host of that. But when she talked about she didn't know the number for 911, I've actually been like referring to that when Scott Thompson and others talked about what it was like to be in shock because everybody, you don't know how you're going to react to your there and everybody reacts differently. And Arlene didn't know the number for 911. Yeah, it's a great analogy.

Absolutely. So, analogy, what would that be? Anyway, you know what I mean? You know, like, give me back that Hall of Fame credential. Okay, I'm going to be forming Andy. All right. The next episode was altered by mom, fun band. I like them. Yeah, they're a couple. Yeah, the return was a great chat. One, one notable thing I wanted to share here.

This is just a fun thing for me personally, and probably only me. We're going to do a tiny little game here. Cam, can you say for me the following phrase? Oh boy. Okay. That's actually a really good guess. Say that that's actually a really good guess. Okay. Now I'm going to play Devin Lohede from altered by mom saying the same thing. That's actually really good guess. Oh wow. Poor, poor guy. This guy's in a band. Is he the singer? He's Kurt Cobain. Ask wow. Yeah. So yeah, I altered by mom. Very, I like them. I like their sound and they're a fun couple and I enjoy it. They've been over twice now. Gina Kennedy, Devin Loheed. Yeah. And Devin

sounds a little like they're a real life couple. Yeah. Yeah. Cute. They're great. You remember like sassy like cute band alert. So wait, so play it again now that we know you're going to say it sounds like cam. Sure. That's actually really good guess. Wow. It's sort of like cam after a couple of GLBs. Yeah, it's a little slurry. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, anyway. A little less monitor.

No, I like that. That's funny. That's a fun fact. I like that. Devin from Altered by Mom, who by the way, he worked with Ron Hawkins. Ron Hawkins and him did some work together and Ron Hawkins produced some music for Manfred

from Elephants and Stars. Mm-hmm. And I think we might get to a clip or not, but when we get to this episode, there's a guy who came over, and I think the main reason he got in that calendar was because of an effort by Manfred from Elephants and Stars. And I'm wearing the Elephants and Stars t-shirt to commemorate that fact. I feel like Manfred is almost an unsung hero of the TMU. He seems to come up a lot. I'm sure I've mentioned this. I worked with

another guy in Elphin's and serves Michael McMillan at high road communications. It seems like he's like our role because he's in this quarter. He'll be coming up. Yeah. Yeah. We'll come back to Manfred. We'll get to him back to Manfred. Can't be all about Manfred. Okay. So things are really starting to heat up now because right after altered by mom. Yeah, and this is still January still still in January. Okay, I'm all Charlie Angus. Wow, stop my God, and he's sort of like the catalyst for the whole quarter. So he stopped by for a chat about Trump, the fifty first state threats. This was January thirteenth.

Trump hadn't even been inaugurated yet, but he had started making started on all this bullshit right and I was smelling a problem. Yeah, so you and Charlie had a great chat about the state of things and particularly about Wayne Gretzky. So Mike if you want to play clip Absolutely. I'm gonna play a clip right now. Well, I think back in the day. I probably watched every one of Wayne Gretzky's games. I hated the Boston Bruins, but boy i cried one bob bobby or couldn't couldn't play anymore you know but when donald trump announced that he wanted to run wane gretsky as this puppet candidate yet to put in does

yet you know putin get creates these puppet candidates that he's running this isn't what you do in a democracy in wale gretsky should be ashamed of himself absolutely ashamed of himself uh... don't bother coming back to Canada if you're even willing to consider being a puppet candidate. You should do the decent thing and say, in no way would I ever undermine my country. Wayne, you failed us. That's when it begins. So that was January 13th, that episode.

You know in the history books when they look back at this war that'll be like I'll be a catalyst. Yeah, that's like when Franz Ferdinand was assassinated, right? The archduke, not the pen by Gavrilo Princip. I believe you know what? I didn't know that now we're cooking chain. If you're listening, that's a fun fact where it was in Sarat Sarajevo. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, okay, so that clip goes viral. It gets passed around on social media and it's one of the increasingly more common instances of something that sort of pops outside of the TMU and it's

certainly not the last that we'll hear of you and Charlie's gonna say much like Joseph Bloor. You start showing up on many different shitty social media accounts is like heavy aggregation of that. But it really did in the refue clips from char. That one was the main one, but there was one about how, you know, not trusting Pierre Poliev as prime minister or something. And there was another one to Charlie just was delivering the soundbites. He was on fire. And that episode came together very

quickly. Like I think on the weekend we exchanged notes. I said, Charlie, I was really bothered by these comments by Trump really early in January. And I said, Charlie, I got to talk about this. When can really early in January. And I said, Charlie, I gotta talk about this. When can you visit the basement? And he said, how's Monday morning? And I realized after the fact, he was coming to town. He doesn't live here.

He lives up in James Bay. Where is he up there? Cobalt, I think. No, he's... I thought his daughter has a tea room in Cobalt. He's up there. Okay, maybe I don't know where Cobalt is. So maybe you're right,

but he's coming to town because he's going to go on the agenda with Steve Pagan, one of many guests who pops in here, rehearses the circuit and then hits the agenda. Once they figured out what's working. Absolutely. Yes. Shout out to Steve Pagan who will never listen to this episode. Oh Steve. So Mike, Mike, how do you, how do you, how did you feel when that was getting so heavily aggregated?

Like, do you ever have moments for, I know we're going to come to some other stuff pretty soon, but you know, your privacy, just being so present out there, you know, does that ever like concern you? Well, I put it out there, right? Like I recorded the video. So this is a good example where- When you live your life in public,

like you're very, very public. I'm not sharing things. I feel are like, this is like, you know, Charlie Angus talking about, but like the, but other, there's photos of you and your kids all over the internet, for example, or like your opinions, you're, you're, you're on blue sky. You know, you're, you have some strong opinions you share there. So like, you're not afraid to share, unlike me, you shares like not much, unless it's about music or the show. So no, you don't share very much. Uh, I probably overshare. I should probably rein it in a bit, but, uh, back to that, that Charlie Angus thing was me deciding like, what if I did carve out some video clips for social media? Because I haven't never done that. Like I do often record video, but sometimes I don't record a video. But then I

just decided like, what if I always recorded the video and what if, you know, if there are interesting moments, what if I carved them out and put them on my YouTube channel? And then what if I did put them as a real on Instagram or this is for Charlie Angus, it really went nuts on the app formerly known as Twitter. I don't know if cams familiar with this, uh, this app, but I'm not even on there anymore. so I don't even think I could do that today, but this was back in January, but yeah, you know that was surprising to see it gets so much play, but I think Canadians were very interested in what Charlie Angus had to say about Gretzky, and there was only one place to go for that right here,

baby right here, baby, so literally okay and Wayne still has not said Jack not a word, but he's apparently very sad. Oh yeah. So I talked to raw Mike Richards about this very fact. We haven't heard from Wayne yet. That's for sure. Yeah. Yeah. Heard from Janet. We heard from Janet. We heard from Bobby or we hadn't heard. Oh, and I know you're about to mention it, but there is a law of an episode. It's after Charlie Angus. We're going to speak about it right now, but an episode where at the time I was like, you know, if I did nothing else with Toronto mic'd, this would be enough for me to like just drop the mic and say, okay, I did it.

So yeah, let's talk about that right now. So four episodes after Charlie comes Alan Gregg. Yeah. So that's not who I'm talking about. Not who you're talking about. No. Oh my God. Chas Lother. Oh, Chas Lother.

Yeah, yeah, we can talk about Chas. Chuck the Security Guard. This is a show we missed because we're all too young. But I've been hearing so many things about it. Gere Joyce is on the final episode. And I pulled that clip and everything. But the fact that this Chuck the Security Guard, and I've been talking to Ed Conroy from Retro Ontario,

and we've had it on Toronto Mike's Airways, but I just didn't really know what it was. But I started watching old episodes on YouTube, and I started to get, oh, this is a live all night thing on CFMT and this guy is Chuck the security guard is the guy who kind of walks you through it all and he's got a catchphrase and there's a bunch of characters,

this guy Ryerson, you know, and this guy Chuck, also known as Chaz Lothar, who is known for a couple of other things in our life, he drops by the basement for a long chat about everything and at the time I remember thinking, okay this is it, Chas Lothar. I got Chuck the security guard to tell the full story, everything you wanted to know about the All Night Show. So I just, I feel it's been completely overlooked by the noise before it and after it, which

you're, you've even skipped it right here. I did. Poor Drew too, who gets skipped here. Okay. Yeah. And I mean, again, no disrespect to any guests that we, we might give a short shrift to, but it was just such a packed quarter, but that child's lather episode was great. Um, I remember him from the, the showcase, uh, movie, the Drambuie showcase review. Oh yes. Right. Oh yeah. Yes. Absolutely.. High class. Yeah. And the other woman whose name will come to him in a minute, he used to do that and she's passed away, but she was great too. Like the both of them. He, um, he had a lot of good details just about like standup comedy in the eighties too. And sort of the Mark Breslin scene and yuck yucks.

Uh, someone who like famously doesn't laugh and doesn't like comedy. I found that all like really interesting because it was, it was a different, you know, that was an emerging industry at the time. And there's a guy who's going to be coming up later in the quarter. We'll mention who really brings us into that world of the early eighties. Yuck, yucks. Yes. Okay. But now back to Alan Gregg. Yes. So four episodes after Charlie, a couple episodes after Chaz or Chuck the security

guard, Alan Gregg. Umgg and at that point after that episode I was ready to call it like that is the episode of the quarter Alan Gregg it was such a fantastic conversation he's such a fascinating person so many great stories he's got a wide-ranging career he's a political consultant excellent guest and we should absolutely give some credit to Jesse Hirsch. Yes. Who told him to come on Toronto Mike. That's right. No, Jesse, no, no Alan. Right. Yeah. Um, yeah, he's, he's worn many hats. Um, most probably, uh, relevant or famous for us would be as co-manager of the tragically hip with Jake gold. Um, and he had so much to say on so many topics. He had some,

some great sort of almost sort of shade on Steve Paken for you know the his show, Alan Greg show on TV. Oh, it was absolutely shade on a steve. Yeah, yeah, I'm trying to remember it because that would have been like the day before inauguration or the day after. I feel like you didn't get too much into American politics, but I mean his story is about just, you know, being right there with Brian Mulvaney and the pollster and like all, all that stuff. And taking the fall for the commercial that made fun of, uh,

John Kretzschian's yes. Yeah. Yeah. And he owned it. It's like disease. Yeah. Do that again. So, you know, and he, you know, whether it was his fault or not, he, he's, I'm taking the fall. he was the captain of the ship, he went down. But, well, I'll let you set it up, but I pulled a clip because there's a mind blow in this episode. That's right. Just, I think just play it.

Just play the damn thing, here we go. And we had a big problem with Day for Night, that they put out, brought the record to me, and I just said, this isn't finished, you're going back into the studio. And they I just said this isn't finished you're going back into the studio and they said well it's finished I said no it isn't I see you got two solid tracks here and the rest is shit absolute shit and they can they put gorg scared is pretty good too that's about me that is about me word-for-word you make me scared nice doing business with you it's a focus group

it's about alan that's about alan and alan graham i do my brains on the walls here is the biographer probably my favorite song in the album and uh... now they wrote it because they were e again you have to understand i mean because i had a career and i was very successful uh... at my friend loved them and loved what I was doing for them, but what I could do for them was something they believed they should be doing

for themselves. That's even hearing it now and I heard it at the time, mind-blowing because he's basically going off on an album which after Fully Completely was a disappointment commercially, it had a lack of singles. There's grace to and nautical disaster. Those are the two songs he said. And those were the two songs they played on Saturday night live. Yeah. And I had, I owned all hip albums back then I listened to and I, I fell in love with scared. I really liked

the song scared. So I just brought it up. There's like a counterpoint, like, well, there's actually three great songs on this album. And then he, would he have dropped that fun fact? If I don't interject with scared was pretty good too. Well, where's his exact words again? They said there's something like with I was bringing something that they thought they should do that. Like that, I feel like that's almost a guy of another episode that we're going to talk about. Okay. Cause Jake gold was the guy who would get the money and make the deal. Right.

Yeah. Yeah. And the hip didn't want to do that. And he was like fiercely protected. Like he was just like a bulldog. He wants to humble Howard in the CFNY studio dangled him over the bill, grabbed them by the scruff of his neck and told him to stop making fun of the fact that all the hip song sounded the same.

Cause humble had a recurring bit where no matter I've heard this No, well how I've heard it because you know, I I captured these stories, but Humble and Fred played a lot of hip on the CFY morning show and Howard had a recurring bit where he would act like he didn't know what song it was because all the hip songs sound the same Right. This was the humble Howard bit Jake gold did not like that in person grabbed him by the scruff of his collar and pinned him against the wall and told him to stop fucking doing that. It's hilarious.

I got that story from Howard and I confirmed it with a J. Cool. Wow. Yeah. That's amazing. There you go. And that some gangster shit, that's fact, right? It is like dangling. Was it vanilla ice? Who was dangled? It was vanilla ice. Yeah. Shug night. Suge night. That's right. Yeah. like dangling. Uh, was it vanilla ice? Who was dangling? Suge night, right? That's right. Yeah. Well that Alan Gregg and not to be confused with Alan Grego, who's the award winning host of yes, we are open season eight. This poster, Alan Gregg with two G's at the end, uh, was a great episode. And I think we talked afterwards in our little WhatsApp

chat that done boys pack it up. That was it. We've got our episode of the quarter it's over it I think I did the whole it's over it's over totally yeah yeah yeah great episode but there was more to come whoa and we're only in January that's right so the very next episode was Greg fucking Keeler from Blue Rodeo Wow which we talked about a little bit it's a zoom you said you didn't think you'd get Greg in the basement. So this was your chance. I agreed to a zoom of Greg killer.

Cause I did not think Greg killer was going to visit the basement. Yeah. And it was a great chat. Like you, you know, obviously he's promoting the blue rodeo doc, right? But you get some great stories from him about the early days.

He was wonderful. Yeah. Yeah. I like his story rambling. Like he, I think he mentioned he worked in what? Lake Louise or in Whistler. That's right. Plants and trees or something. Yeah. Just like a moment in time, early seventies kid for sure.

That's when he bought his first guitar. I think he said, yeah, yeah. He talked about losing a toe. That's right. Yeah, that was like, yeah, I don't think that's in the doc. I know they talk in the doc about how he didn't think he'd play again. Like he was diagnosed with Carrie von Eric shit here. That's right. So, uh, funny to have Alan Gregg and then Greg Keeler shit here. That's right. He says, so funny to have Alan Gregg and then Gregg Keeler too wonderful.

You're right. Two wonderful back to back episode. Alan Gregg Keeler. Whoa. Do you guys have that card baseball card? The Steve Carlton and Carlton Fisk from like 1981. No, I didn't have, I didn't collect. It was Steve and Carlton Carlton and fifth.

I'm 83 when I started tops. It was Don Ross. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't collect. I was Steve and Carlton, Carlton and Fiss I'm eighty three when I start tops was Don Ross. Yeah, yeah anyway. Let's be O P. I think that was eighty two Fleer, eighty two Fleer. Yeah, well, last is to stone is a daddy stone sluggers. Yeah all right. Two episodes after Greg Keeler comes Eric Shankman. Oh my God, lead guitarist for the spin doctors. Yeah, the guy who wrote two princes, two princes, little miss can't be wrong. He lives in Toronto. And he's a well-spoken cool cat.

Very cool cat. Great episode. Yeah. And you know, told the whole spin doctor story, what he's been up to since like spin doctor, still a very active band. They're putting out new music. Just fascinating guy, you know,

Great episode. Yeah. And I feel like this is an example. This happened probably just cause you do so many episodes. This is bound to happen, but he talked a lot about his, um, regular gigs at a Grossman's tavern and then recently we'll maybe we'll get this in the, the Ridley funeral home portion, but the long time was at the owner just died. Yeah. The owner just passed away.

Yeah. I was, I was, and there's another, I there's a bunch of people play at Grossman's Tavern on that Tuesday night with Eric Schenckman, including a member of Blue Rodeo who I've heard from since the Greg Keeler episode and said, Hey, basically, can I visit your basement basement? Have you guys been there like before? I've never been to Grossman. I haven't known. It was, what was it? Eric Alpers. Eric Alpers grandfather is the guy Grossman. Yeah. I feel like David was it David Clayton or no down child blues band was like the resident. Yeah. So there's, there's a lot of history there. A lot of history.

Yeah. That was a great episode though. And in a quieter quarter, we'd probably go deeper on, on that. One side conversation for a future FOTM cast is just talking about FOTMs who wrote or played on the biggest billboard on 100 hits. Yeah. Well, there's one coming up. Yes, there is. Like you like point at the computer.

Like it's pointing at my list. It's right there. It's right there gentlemen. Those words, that word. The day of Eric Shankman's visit was January 30th and we lost an FOTM on that day. John Donobie, legendary Toronto radio voice, worked at all the big stations,

Chum FM, CFRB, CKFH, Q107, passed away at age 78 after a long battle with cancer. He visited in episode 358, told some amazing stories from his career. I've pulled a little clip of that, but Mike, is there anything you wanted to say about John? He's an absolute sweetheart. So the episode was amazing.

I remember talks about John Lennon and the band, and just his story's incredible, and he's radio legend 50 years or whatever. And I just remember really liking this man. And then I, sadly, he was scheduled to return to kick out the jams. And I got the phone call. The phone call was to paraphrase the phone call was, Mike, I have bad news. I have cancer. I need to postpone my visit. And I literally pulled over from a bike ride to have this chat with him. And I'm like, well, John, of course, like, we'll do it when you're better. I'm so sorry to hear this.

Well, John, of course, like we'll do it when you're better. I'm so sorry to hear this. And we never did have that return visit. We lost John Donobie, but he was an absolute sweetheart and a great FOTM. Yeah. Glad he got him on the mic. Yeah, and he got, he was in the basement. So he's top tier.

Whatever we're gonna need him at, right? He's an officer. Top shot. He's an officer and a gentleman. Totally. I'll play a little bit of John telling a, telling a pretty cool story about, uh, someone we've already sort of talked about today. Hi, John. Brian Gerstein here.

Sales representative with PSR Barucherich and proud sponsor of Toronto Miked. And very excited tonight for Toronto Mic's listener experience where there is a rack of ribs and GLB ready with my name on it to enjoy while I'm meeting everybody. 416-873-0292 is a number to call or text me for any of your real estate needs. John, while I'm impressed that you interviewed John Lennon twice including the iconic bed in I am more impressed that you were at the last Waltz the band's farewell concert as leave on invited you What was it like to be at the greatest concert film ever recorded by the brilliant Martin Scorsese? Let's not bury the lead here John you were at

The last Waltz. Yes, I was at the last wz and I wasn't only at The Last Waltz, I was there for the entire week leading up to it. And Levon Helm called me at my home. I was living in Vancouver there working for CKLGFM and this was Levon. One of the finest songs of all time. Yeah. Yeah, Levon and I became really tight. I was very close with the band from the earliest days he and Robbie actually and Members of the band got to invite personal friends to the last wall So he called me in Vancouver and he said this is a great story says listen, I I'm I want to invite you

Everything will be picked up when you get down here the food will be great this would be great though however I can't pay your way here oh okay all right I'll figure that out so I have a wife and two really young children and I'm going what will I do I get a call from my boss Roy Hennessy at CKL GFM, who says, Frank Gigliotti from CBS is here, now Sony. He says, we want to meet with you. OK, so I go down. He said, listen, Frank wants you, and so do I, to go to San Francisco to interview Boss Skaggs on his

newest album, Blowdown. And I went, cool, when is it oh but a day or two before American Thanksgiving oh really so that got me my free flight and back that's amazing yeah then and I went to all the rehearsals I was allowed to go to all the rehearsals with the exception of Dylan Dylan recorded in the basement of the Miyako Hotel I would go down to Winterland and watch the rehearsals every day and I there's a lot of stories about the rehearsals but I'll just say one thing about Van Morrison. What a great performance in The Last Walls but

his rehearsals were way better and they performed songs that they didn't put into the film and Just meeting Bill Graham and and and going through everything and oh great stories of what happened to be there were Leah leave on had to protect me at one point for one of the big bodyguards and But I watched all the rehearsals watched everybody go through it and And it was just the most extraordinary week of my life. Excellent clip you pulled there. What a part of history there and what a great guy. Yeah. What was that?

What was the venue that it was in? Not the Roseland. Like one of those winter land theater. Winterland theater, that's right. Yeah, we lost a good one there. John Donahby just loved my chat with him and I was looking forward to having another one and we lost a good one there. John Donnaby just just loved my chat with him and I was looking forward to having another one and we lost him too young. So I actually had had a couple of interactions with him quite early, my PR

career, and I feel like his producer at the time was fellow FOTM Mark Wigmore. Maybe 1010. This is like obviously later in his radio career. So okay, maybe. Yeah, I mean, everybody I think who got to meet John Donahue had a positive experience and while we're in the Ridley Funeral Home segment here, I just want to let the listenership know and pay my respects once more to Palma Petrucci, the matriarch of Palma Pasta, who passed away last week at the age of ninety six. So we lost, I guess, FOTM adjacent Palma Petrucci, namesake of Palma Pasta. And of course, the only FOTM we lost, thankfully.

Sorry, we had to lose him. But John Donopies. So that's right. Let's remember these these these legends. Totally indeed. I'm going to crack. You crack another great layer. Okay.

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wrapped in the next batch of episodes? You've got some great ones. You've got Jeremy Hots in his basement debut. Yeah. So he would be elevated. That would be a moment when Hots is elevated to the top tier of FOTM. That's right. Yeah. I mean, I can confess, I didn't hear that episode, but what, what did he say about the newsroom? This, this is like the Ken Finkelman newsroom, not the other one. There's, there's two different shows with the same name. The Ken Finkelman newsroom is the Jeremy Hots. What was the TLDR that he shared about that? The amazing fact he shares. So they have short seasons. These things were short six episodes or something

Wow, he was a standout critical success in the first season, which was a commercial success as well So CBCS is hit. Yeah, hot's is recognized They don't make him an offer to come back for season two. Like he's like what what the heck? He goes so hot's goes to California to make speed 2 Because he wasn't getting an offer to come back for season two of the newsroom. Despite the fact we have a commercial and critical hit on our hands. If that you know, I'm fiercely Canadian, but that's a quintessential Canadian story. Yeah, like to me, the mind blow that like he almost like it was a last second decision to bring back Jeremy Hots to do season two.

I was gonna say, and I feel like speed two is, I'm sure still made money, but a bit of a bomb, they were like on a lot of a boat. I guess that's a pun intended because it was like there was a bomb on the boat. Is that, was that the like the I didn't see it because when Keanu Reeves decided he wasn't going to come back, I decided I was going to be with Keanu on that decision. Who was Jason Patrick with Jason Patrick? Right. The lost boys, the Jason Patrick. Jason Patrick. Right.

Lost boys. The brother of Filters guy. No, you're thinking of Robert Patrick from Terminator 2. Terminator 2, you're 100% right. And he's on X-Files 2, right? He took over for Duchovny or whatever. That's the brother of Hey Man, Nice Shots. That's right.

I have a mildly interesting story about Speed 1. Please. I saw it with my dad at the theater that used to be at Mel Ossman Square. I think it was called Madison. And you remember it's like, it's the bus, there's helicopters, the bus is out of control, blah, blah, blah.

The bus that wouldn't slow down. Yeah, so we watch it. I'm like, yeah, that was a cool movie. We come home. What should have be on the TV that day? The OJ Simpson thing. Wow. There are the Al Cowlings, he's suicidal.

It's like life imitates art. You know who this is. Yeah. Yeah. Very vivid memories. The great night. Great night. A lot of entertainment.

Yeah. Big, big day. That was the, the big David Hasselhoff pay-per-view. Well, that got a 30 for 30. It did. Yeah. Huge. Oh, that's right.

Yeah. Where they like did all the. There was an NBA playoff game. There was some golf, some golf, you know,'s right. Yeah. Where they like did all the was an NDA playoff game. There was some golf, some golf, you know, grand slam, banter. First frosty album came out the first trick fluke seriously and they had the big song California course. Geez, there's a lot going on here. Okay, where are we now? So after after what a quarter. Yeah, it just keeps coming right at myself on the back right after hot is we talked about them earlier. Manford from elephants elephants and stars which led to one of the later big ups of

the court so we'll tease it by saying Manfred kicked out jams and a jam he kicked out was by a side project by a member of Sloan we'll pick that up later that's right okay then another new sponsor so I just unveiled a new sponsor silver wax I'm sure right now FOTMs are picking up their Silver Wax at Silver Wax.ca with the promo code TRONOMYCH10. They're doing that right now. But earlier this past quarter, Nick Iini's put up his hand. I literally dropped an episode in the Toronto Mike feed and said, I need a new partner. Somebody's got to step up because there's a lot of real talk coming out on this show. Someone's to fuel this real talk and Nick put up his hand and said I want to fuel the real talk

So bless Nick Aini's he got his own episode as part of the deal And if you step up to partner with Toronto Mike, do you also get your episode? So thank you Nick for that. Okay, good deal. Attaboy Nick Attaboy Nick Okay, and then sir Jerry Levitan drop by. Sir Jerry Levitan, a return visit, the boy who interviewed John Lennon. Right. Of course. Great, fascinating, great addition to the TMU.

Yeah. Comes to events. And then another comedian, John Wing. And that's where we dive very deep. He does the Ralph Ben-Murgy set of the early 80s. And literally on Friday in my calendar is a double date with Ralph been murky and his wife. Okay,

I just want to come Italian food. Are you not? It is Italian. Yeah. You guys want to join me? Yeah, I'd love to. That's okay. Good. Then there's just say no camp cam as a no. I plan camp tapped out. Thank you though. John wing was great. He was, he was. Talks about going blind. That's right.

Then there's just a run of really, really solid episodes. You've got Joel Greenberg, you've got Scott Dobson. John Rollins was really fascinating, photographer, music photographer who talked about his career. He was a Zoom as well, but. But the man who wrote the book, Nick, Bob, Bob Clannock, right? It's right. I was thinking of promo

man. Bob was in the studio and then John Rollins was on the zoom and we he took that iconic photo of David Bowie with the arrow. Do you know this dude bo be there? Yeah, no, I describing it right time. I can see to my pride. I know it to see it. Yeah. If you saw it, you'd be like, Oh wow. And he took that photo. Yeah. Like pornography. Know it to see it. And then you've got the speaking of people who debuted on zoom and then came to the basement. You've got Marcy Ian. I know this. Okay.

So former media personality, current and soon to be former liberal MP who gave up her seat so that Evan Solomon could run although we didn't know it at the Time we did not know it at the time So you covered a lot of ground with Marcy and you got a bit of detail from her on a past relationship if you want to Okay, so I only took out ten seconds of this we talked a lot about maestro fresh west and then there's a ten second Clip here. I'm gonna play unedited It's ten seconds is how it unfolded and then we'll talk about it. Here we go.

So how well do you know the maestro? Very well. We're very, very good friends. What are you asking? Right? Okay. So, so she's sitting where the handsome cam Gordon is right now. And I'm here where I always am. And I said, how well did you know Maestro?

She's very well. And you can hear that in the voice, right? And then I just sort of look at her for a second. And I start smiling and then she breaks down because- Honorable one. She knows that I know, and I'm not going to out her. I'm going to have her out herself. You know what?

That there was a long-term romantic relationship between Marcy Ian and Maestro Fresh West. Did you know this Cam Gordon? Not until I heard the episode. Really? Okay. So I didn't want to, I didn't think it was fair to the Honorable Marcy Ian for me to just say that. Like first of all, they were both, this is nothing, you're allowed to date people, right, Tyler? Absolutely. Still allowed? I'm sure it is. So for me had a romantic relationship and I know about it and she knows I know about it. So it was like a face off like who's going to break

first and we just both break into laughter. It was just a fantastic moment. Then you clipped it. You put on YouTube so more people could see it. It just Hey, it happened. So right right here in the basement. let me ask you guys the real talk. You know, they always say like who knew what when, right? So I have Marcy over as a member of cabinet. She's an MP and we're talking, I go, are you ready? Cause when you do have your new, uh, prime minister, your new leader announced, and of course we, we all knew it would be Mark Carney, but it became official. He was going to call an election and we're now in that cycle and we'll have an election and we're now in that cycle

and we'll have an election on April 28th. And I asked her, like, are you ready? She's like, we're ready, Mike, we're ready. And then it came out weeks later that she was not running again. And then there's speculation, like, oh, is that gonna be the riding? Cause you know, who doesn't have a seat right now

is Mark Carney himself, like he needs a seat. And there was some talk about who's gonna be running in that spot. And it turns out it's Evan Solomon. What a swerve media person. Yeah, but you know, it is interesting. Who knew what when like did Marcy know when she's talking to me that she wasn't going to run and she was just holding those cards probably never really know she faked me out. Like I believed she was going to run again. And then we find out weeks later she's not. So I don't know who knew what when.

I mean, it's crazy. So like, so there's all that super interesting. And that's, oh yeah. Dated maestro was on circle square hosted. Right. Exactly. That's why I like my resume. Yeah, she's cool.

Because you can do the whole media thing. And then there's the politics thing. And she's, she's in the basement, right? We need need a name for this but that's top tier. Absolutely. Yes, and she she asked you to come on, right? Yeah, oh, yeah She's her people said would you have Marcy Oh on and I said only if she visits the basement and they were like, okay Marcy will visit your basement. So that's interesting. So why if if they knew They initially right why would they asked for her to go on if they if they knew she wasn't running, they initiated, right. Why would they ask for her to go on if they, if they knew she wasn't going to run? Great question, Tyler. That's why I'm,

nothing is by accident. At some point Marcy will be back on Toronto Mike. And that's my first question. Like when you're in my basement, did you know you weren't running? So I would say it might be such, it might be true that she thought she'd be running when she was in the basement and there was a decision made that we'll run Evan Solomon in this spot and made, I don't know what's next. Is she going to be, uh, like a member of the Senate or something? I don't know how this works in politics, but you know, maybe we need the cams, uh, wife to look into this. Who knows who knew what went probe on that? I, I, I'll just say I,

I'm looking forward to the, it'll probably be, she's a probe on that I I'll just say I'm looking forward to the probably she's young woman, so I'll be like years in the future when she's at the out of fucks to give stage. She probably all sorts of stuff on all these topics on my strong. What's it like working with Bell circle square the circle square ranch the puppets all the shit can't wait for that. Yeah, so so Marcian was great. Yeah in the basement. She's cool. I like couple episodes after Marcy yeah so shadow to J Ho, who was like the yeah

J Ho and then we had the emer. I okay, so I will say this and we spill all the dirt on these FOTM casts. Yep, two people were in the calendar and then not like not a serious punishment Like I'm not out to hurt anybody But I want to just say that Karen Bliss was in the calendar and I was very excited did my homework Then she said there was gonna be a snowstorm and she was worried I think she was worried about getting her car out of the snow and I

Respect that man So we rescheduled it and then she says she kind of blew me off because she said she had the opportunity to zoom with some Musicians she was writing about this musician. So a couple of times in the calendar, she never came over. So I just stopped chasing her like Karen. If she wants on the show, she'll write me and say, Hey, can we pick a new date and time? Like I would still like to talk to Karen Bliss, but I'm at that. I'm at that out of fucks to give stage where I'm not chasing Karen Bliss. I got her into us and there's another guy I just want to shout out named Socrates who's a rapper I madly respect who got in the calendar three times one time he screwed up but he foaming he was apologetic the second

time he said he had to go to town he's so sorry but he wants to do this and then the third time he's like man I'm sorry I got to go out of town again and then I'm again I'm still I stopped chasing Socrates like if Socrates wants come on, he knows how to reach me. But there was another woman in the calendar who just didn't show up. She was locked and loaded and I did my homework and she didn't show up. And I wanted to talk about the Canada versus US final at the four nations cup. And I wanted to talk about FOTM Chantal Kravya, Jack and her modification to the to the Canadian National Anthem. I had stuff I wanted to say. I literally put out the bat signal in in MIMICO

FOTM Hall of Famer. That's how I can now refer to you, right? Tyler Campbell, the VP of Sales ran over. He ran over and then I had a few people on zoom, including Elvis and many others like Rob Del Mundo, and we talked about it. I was ran over, he ran over and then I had a few people on zoom, including Elvis and many others like Rob Del Mundo and we talked about it. Gare Joyce was on there. Hey ref was on there. I'm missing anybody. So that was the next day you did that episode. We did it the next day. Yeah. It was the next day. Still fresh. Oh yeah. Canada cat was on there. Canada cat was on there. So the game was like Thursday night and then that recording was Friday because this woman basically bailed on

me and then she said, oh, I'm not going to name her in this moment here, but she wrote me a note. I'm like, I'm like, where are you? Like I'm all set and locked and loaded and she initiated this episode by the way. I should point that out too, but I'm ready and she's not there. She's not here. And then she said, oh, I told you I had a conflict and I wasn't coming and I thought you were just mad about it. So you didn't reply. And I just said, well, you, I never got this email. And then later she wrote me

to say, Oh, I thought I emailed you, but I didn't. Oh my God. It's in my, it's in my drafts. It's in my fucking drafts, but I enjoyed, I just want to say I enjoyed the episode that we kind of invented on the spot. I was fine. Okay, I remember there was an aborted unauthorized tm lx light event that was going to be at that's right imperial room that we do. We were you were the quarterback on this. Yeah, well, I think it's me and with the with the with the healthiest is from Robert Lawson. I feel like we're going to hang out and then we just, and then I nicely told you that

if Canada makes the four nations finals, it's the same night. And I said, I'm going to be here watching my 10 year old just so you know, I won't be there. Yeah, I, I would have gone either way. So like, I'm glad it didn't happen because I ended up watching the game and had a good time. What a game. Yeah. Awesome. Awesome. What a moment. What a moment. Loved it. watching the game and had a good time. What a game. Awesome. What a moment. Loved it. Shout out to Chantelle. Okay. But then there was a big weekend record, a rare weekend. That's right. A big return. The big return of Mike Stafford. Oh my, wow. Oh my God should be the episode of the court. Yeah. Come

on. Yeah. Always great to hear from Mike. I know you care about him very deeply. Um, you know, his struggles continue. Um, it sounds like he's at least in a stable a somewhat stable situation with his sister. But great to hear from him. I know a lot of people are encouraging him to do a podcast. And I've actually, when I was clear on that episode and I reiterated it with Mike, which is that if Mike wants to do it, I will all be Mr. pro bono here and get him started. I did the same thing for Peter Gross. Like I did episodes for free until he could monetize it or whatever. Yeah. I would do

it for Stafford too. So the balls in Stafford's court. So a lot of people are like, is it happening? I'm like, it's got to come from Stafford. Like it's almost like my brother smoked for decades and he's right now trying to quit smoking cigarettes. And it was my mom has been telling him to quit for decades and he's right now trying to quit smoking cigarettes. And it was my mom has been telling him to quit for decades. Of course, it doesn't work like that. Like my brother had to have a moment where he's like, I'm going to quit smoking for himself. This is great. And Stafford's got to have that moment where he decides I'm going to try this podcast thing.

But I love it when he visits and it was a great visit and it's good to catch up with him. I think it's good. You know, I'm sure it's probably not easy to come on and talk about this stuff, too But I sort of you know shit happens and this Who knows like stuff can happen to any of us and like who knows where life will take us So I applaud him for coming in just being so real about a situation I thought it was interesting that the very next episode was about the proposed shelter in this neighborhood because Mike Stafford is a good example where if Mike Stafford doesn't have a sister willing to take him in, he's in the system. He's in the very system where we need beds and we need programs and stuff that are being

proposed for this neighborhood. So I had Bruce Davis on to talk about that. And I wonder how many people out there don't have family to, you know, give them a home and a bed and take care of them. There's a lot of people who don't have that, uh, that blessing and that luxury. And we need to be compassionate for those people in our society. It's like hard out there. Like I feel like every quarter that goes by, it gets worse too. Like I, I took the subway here and just like every time I go on, I feel like there's more folks like sleeping or got, you know, all their worldly possessions. You're right. That's where, yes, you're right. And, uh, there's like a rain warning for tomorrow.

And some of these people are living in tents and parks and stuff. And if we had more shelter space, we could, we could house these people and help them transition to being self sufficient. Tomorrow's like also liberation day. So like what the fuck's going to happen? You know, what state or any of us don't get me down that path. We don't have time for that. Okay. But then there was a gentleman who dropped by. I feel like I'm stealing Tyler's time. But we talked about people who appear on big selling songs and albums and stuff. We talked about a Schenckman who's on a two princes. Do we remember where that went in the billboard hot 100?

Cause they never went to number one. Yeah, I looked it up. It's hit number seven. OK, so that's like one of those songs that's everywhere, but it was a top 10 song. And this song didn't go top 10, but this there was a song on a thriller called The Girl Is Mine with a guy named Paul McCartney or something. I don't know what band he was in. But the cute one, Michael Jackson and this guy, Paul, whatever. And I'm in butia, then tortilla. I'm in, butia came by and I thought he

was lovely and I thought it was fascinating and it was unbeknownst to me when I booked him that his handler, his personal assistant is the aforementioned Arlene ex-wife of Blair Packham. Crazy. Is that my yeah, yeah, it really is. I mean, was great. Like he obviously there's there's sort of the whole thriller thing, but he he was a CF and why guy big CFY imaging guy and you had he I guess gave you a bunch of promos and things. Yeah, ideas that were from that era of humble and Fred stuff. Yeah, which was really fascinating to just and he's a lovely man and very talented.

Yeah. And the the thing you covered in pretty great detail with Stu. I was going to pull a clip, but then, like, you just go back and listen to Stu. And also, after mention, Rob Proust contributed a little breakdown of- Never heard of him. Yeah. So yeah, really fun episode.

Great episode. And then Unsung Hero, nobody will remember he was over this past quarter because of the big names, but I loved my David Aaron chat. There was a backdoor pilot, if you will, because Avi Federgreen, who I went to his movie premiere at Toronto, Canada Film Fest. his movie home free was wonderful. It was an excellent movie I can't believe I know this guy who directed it Avi Feddergreen, but he's got a podcast and Marvin Kay came on Marvin Kay

Made the show less than kind and Jesse Camacho's been on before him Maury Chaykin Shout out to Ridley funeral home But I slipped that in the feed. And then there was a very interesting visit from the radical reverend. Sherry Denovo. Yeah, and it was a very interesting conversation with Sherry Denovo.

Former NDP, I guess she was an MPP? MPP. Parkdale High Park. When Peggy Nash was the MP. And that's the period where I actually lived in that riding. And yeah, she was very interesting to talk to. Yeah. So I'm like literally downloading that. It just reminded me I this is one of those episodes I didn't actually ever listen to. Because you were busy listening to the next episode was the return of Steve Kersner aka at the song. Yeah, that was one. I did listen to that one. I think that was his best appearance. It was. It was really interesting to me to hear

about his sort of current situation is he's on the radio at, what is it, the Rock? The Rock, 94.9. And he's doing the overnight show, like probably the only live overnight radio. He's Chuck the security guard. Yeah, in the city. And it was interesting to hear him talk about the community that he's building

with his, his audience. And, um, did it sound familiar? It was very reminiscent of Toronto Mike universe. So good for him. Uh, you know, he's one of those guys who's just kinda, he's been there for forever. Like he's been a part of the Toronto media landscape for four decades. Uh, and he's still doing it and like, he still loves it. And obviously he's, he's not doing it for the cash. He's still hustling. Yeah. Like he's, he's he's had the fucking sock in his hand for like 35 years.

Like it's incredible. Like I said, like it's, it's great. And he seems, he seems very like at peace too. I actually, uh, I think I mentioned this to you Mike, cause I think you, I feel like every time he's over, you mentioned overtime sports talk with camber and Sue's done He never remembers. He has no memory of you. But as you know, I have some clips from the show So actually DM them a few stills is like Okay, I don't know. He's probably just like putting us on but he sent me like a really nice notice like oh

These are very cool. It's so cool to see that. Thanks for sharing Yeah, I'm you know, I know not not everybody loves the sock and Steve Kirzner, but I love the episode, I love his visits, I love our chats. Andy on the live stream says, "'I really like that Steve Kirzner ed episode "'more than I expected.'" So I think a lot of people might get their backs up,

okay, what's this guy doing? But we just had a real genuine chat and it was great. Sorry, go ahead. No, no, this is a side. So is mine, so is mine, you please. Okay, I was just gonna say say I'll be the tiebreaker. There's apparently there's like a new version of the Hollywood squares that's out. And I just got like a minute of it because it was right.

Is Drew Barrymore on this? Yes, Drew Barrymore is right after Jeopardy because we peeve. She was married to Tom Green, you know. Yeah. But one of the squares was actually the dog triumph. Yeah, he was like one of the squares with this. So that guy is still doing that. And that is, I will say, if you want greatest hits every time Steve's over, I find a way to work the dog into it. He's certain that that dog was stolen from his idea that he was

pitching to code. I mean, I would say puppet chomping on a cigar would like kind of the same row. Yeah, roasting the people. It's very close. Yeah, but the dog does it with sort of a quasi Hispanic accent, right? No, you're a hundred percent right. So, you know, I saw the Conan O'Brien show recorded live at the Winter Garden Theater when triumph went and did the stuff that with the cobeckers do. Right? Yeah, so that tag team, like jacquin pierre, w w and by johnny's brothers. Yeah, I feel like scott thompson did like a walk

around with co and anna like one of one of those episodes. I feel like I actually pulled so well actually will save it, but i'll just say now that i did pull a clip of him, you know, in the year two thousand right. So you know, you know this see cam didn't watch he's shaking his head. Okay. Nothing, nothing on that at all. Okay. I loved it. Was that kids in the hall or what? It was Conan O'Brien. Okay. Late night with Conan O'Brien. It was a recr. Okay. Yeah. In the year 2000 where they would, you know, it would be a bit after that.

So, but one of the members of the max Weinberg seven would sing like this in the year 2000, in the year 2000, president Trump and then everybody will laugh. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. Well, I did see that part. Okay. Well, anyways, okay. Scott Thompson did one of those.

Yeah. Okay. It's a long way away. We'll get to Scott. We'll get to Scott. FOTM Scott Thompson. We have 90 minutes on Scott Thompson coming up here. Let's talk about Cleve Anderson. Yeah, let's do that. let's talk about Cleve Anderson. Yeah, let's let's let's talk about please.

So the original drummer for Blue Rodeo and he was in the basement with current Blue Rodeo keyboardist Mike Boguski, return guest and Nickel Robertson. Yes. And they talk spoken man, soft spoken man. They have a band called West of Jane So they came in and played a tune Which was great Cleve had some really he's a funny character if you go to the horseshoe if you see a show with the horseshoe You'll probably see cleave. He's like just a little guy. He didn't hit his head here

No, very like he's like Peter Gross fun-sized kind of guy. Very likable chap. Yeah But he had some great stories about his early days. He's been in in the Toronto music scene for four decades And I did pull a clip of of cleave. So I'll play that now So so cleave you're you're wanting to be in a park. You're in a punk band here Yeah, and but at some point as we know if you know the history of punk the punk scene fades out in the I guess the early 80s, where do you pivot to at that point? Well, I had you know The battered wives came along and I got a chance to be in it and everything and I said they're happening

You know, this is this could be So we open for evils Castello Cross Canada tour all you know soft cedar, and that's when I quit at the end of the thing. But that's where Jim and Greg first saw me. They loved Elvis Costello. They saw the show at the O'Keefe Center with the women's groups protesting. So they saw you and they said, this guy's a good drummer.

I thought maybe it was the sharks. Yeah, they saw the sharks were after right okay don't rush me I'm trying to you've earned the right I actually love ornery okay so if you can ornery it up a little bit okay you guys yeah Have another sip of the Canuck here. Okay. So let me just set the table here. And if you guys just take this, you know, keep in mind to shut the fuck up once in a while. Well, I just want to jump in and say that there is an attractions thing I wanted to pick up on. Cause you mentioned that the

battered wives had opened for the attractions. Yeah. So I was like, Hmm, that's pretty big time because I'm a huge fan. I was at his house one day and he's like, oh check this out. And he sent this picture of him and Steve Naive arms around each other. I think you were at a pool hall or something and Elvis, I don't know if he was in the photo, but Bruce Thomas was, I think. And so I like him and I can take a photo of that. And he's like, no problem. Then I sent the photo to Steve Naive and he's like oh I remember Cleve say hi and then I gave him my solo album and he wrote a great thing he said it was a wonderful sonic journey so now every time I do my solo album I'm like Steve Naive of the Attractions says this was a wonderful song but I wouldn't

have been able to have that connection to Steve if it wasn't for taking that photo in Cleve's amazing. So Cleve at this point because I last saw you at, we talked about it before we press record here, but the Red Room at the Masonic Temple, you were there to see the Gary Top panel for the new Gary Top book. So you were booked, I'm assuming the Garys booked you at some point in this period. Batterwives, we were off their radar because we were signed, we were signed actually for a punk rock group we got signed by the agency which is the big, you know, did Max Webster and all that. I didn't even want to sign with it, but the other guys did.

So we were playing all these more rock bars and stuff like that. So we got out of the sink a little bit but The but Gary yeah to my next group after batter wise when I left I remember I went to the last Pogo I had just quit the band and the word was out on the street You know the drummer and blue rodeos has quit and I was there The drummer in the battered life. Yeah No, Battered Wives, yeah. By the way, terrible name for a band. I just want to throw it out there, The Battered Wives. It kind of offends me, Cleve.

Yes, I, yes, fair enough. But it was punk, right? It's punk. But it was, you know, it was topical. We weren't calling ourselves white beaters. I never thought it was like, trivializing. Of the time. That's what they hung the

it trivializes the issue but we don't abort okay but you would be the best we offer the forum for discussion about important issues nobody thought it was like okay so word is on the street mr. Anderson mr. Anderson that there's word on the street. Mr. Anderson, Mr. Anderson That there's word on the street that the drummer from the from battered wives is a free agent Like he's available and I got some offers at the last post, you know what the last poll you call and brought I have I'm gonna pull out the DVD which is right here. Yeah, I noticed Colin did I'll show Yeah

Mike is well versed in the punk world. As soon as you have our week before I was on. Yes, I did. He's been in the basement since then. But Colin Brunton, who was on the Gary Top panel, he's been down here. We talked at great lengths about the last Pogo and there's a jumps again. Yeah, too, right. Hold on here. And I believe I need to prove I need to prove I have my bona fides over here.

So far so good there, Mike. Love this guy. West of Jane. Don't ever lose this guy, Cleve Anderson. Fucking love that guy. I've seen that guy so many times at so many concerts and he's quite short and I'm quite tall so it's easy to miss him. He's got interesting hair. Yeah. Yeah. A real, but I will say in the moment when he was

asking if I had ever heard of the last Pogo, I was offended. That was like Molly Johnson. Uh, it's in the liner. No, I should have slapped that one. My brother created the wire. That's a great clip. You pulled there too. My brother, my brother wasn't in the wire. He created, created the wire. Talk to Randy Bachman. Yeah, I've ever heard of the last Pogo Mike. Geez Whipping out DVDs here when there is just before we stop talking about cleave There is like this super group that I've always been meaning to see play cuz they play at noon ins in the in the East end

Yeah, get a load of this band. So it's three FOTMs. So you got Cleve Anderson on drums. You've got Fergus Hamilton. Of course. On the satellites, on guitar and vocals and also on vocals you got Andy fucking Mays. Wow. Okay, so who's in the Blue Rodeo documentary. Okay. Which I just watched.

And there's an interesting observation from yours truly, which is they don't say the name Mike Boguski in this documentary. Really? Like I'm telling you I got to review it because he at the end you see them playing Lost together and you can see that Boguski's part of the band doing it or whatever. Yeah. But there's not a moment in this doc because I'm really taking notes of FOTM's who are mentioned. Cleve is showing he's talked about the beginning. They talk about him leaving to take a job at the post office. Shout out to his wife I thought him Ingrid Schumacher

But there is zero reference to Mike Boguski in this doc and I was thinking I must suck to watch the doc About your band and they don't mention you. Yeah You get to it because you'll see it lost together. I think it's gone Okay it's like you think there'd be a throwaway line at the end where they say something like, and then we added this great keyboardist and it was, it was a great wise men stuff. Lots of wise men, lots of Bobby wise. Oh, he's in it big time. He's got like a mustache and everything. Is it good? Is it worth seeing? I like that story. You don't know. I didn't learn a lot because

I've had all these guys for deep. Well, I was just going to say like now you've had, you've had Greg, you've had Jim, Jim, you've had Cleve. Yeah. You've had Boguski. Yeah. You've had Wiseman, you've had Wiseman, you have Glenn Melchum coming coming up Glenn Melchum. So I have a little Donovan and Colin Cripps are a couple of guys I should seek out. Yeah. And then the myriad steel lap steel players. And of course the late Colin Kreps was married to a Michelle McAdory. No, no, no.

They were in Vegas together. Oh, they're in crash Vegas. It was Greg Keeler who was dating Michelle McAdory. And that's how she got in the video for try. Lawson. Yeah. And you know, all the credit for try breaking, they're given to John Martin at much music. That's right.

Like radio said no. And then Martin liked it and he put it on much. Yeah. And that blew up. Blue rodeo. Am I matching like she's under the Gardner Expressly like how wandering around almost like the Michelle McAdory? Yeah. Like in that video, she's sort of wandering aimlessly. I'm just thinking, is she near where we do bentway beers? Uh, I'm trying to remember. She's on a bridge or something. I loved my conversation with Michelle McAdory that that that a super group is called birds, birds, birds and they only play covers by there's the birds. There's

one more FOTM in that group. Tim Bova Conti, oh Tim Bovacone. Oh my god, Ocani was an FOTM James B phones me up and says you should talk to Tim Bovaconte. I do. I do a little. Oh, do I mix it up? My guys is he this is Tim Bovaconte, these Burton's spring coming. Hey, wrong guy. Okay. I got TB. Who's the there's a band leader guy. We saw him at Massey Hall, guy, Lombardo that band. Okay. Remember a mass. Oh yeah. Oh, I thought that was Timbo, because another guy. The hell's that guy's okay, but that's the guy James B sent

up. Okay, this is a lot of FOTM to everybody. Okay, so then zoomer radio's Andy Wilson comes over. Yeah, James B sent a lot of FOTM to everybody. Okay, so then a Zuma radios, Andy Wilson comes over. Yeah, and it was lovely to talk to Andy Wilson from Zuma radio. He loves Kid Rock, but then oh, Antonia Zerbasi. Oh my God. Yeah. Oh my God. So yeah, out of Fox.

Yeah. Another candidate for episode episode of the quarter, any other quarter. And that's all we're talking about. Absolutely. Anthony is a B C S and any other quarter. And that's all we're talking about. Absolutely. Top three and any other quarter. You're a hundred percent. What a lady. Yeah. So many candid thoughts or time in Montreal or time at the Toronto star. She talked about Trump. She talked about the middle East being childless childless choosing to be childless, which no one talks about it. We need more people talking about my, I chose not to have children. Yeah.

Yeah. She was just fantastic. Like just a great, a very open, honest, just a dream guests. Mark wise blood, a gossip in there. Yeah. There was a little bit of Mark wise early blogging days. Absolutely. You got a clip from Antonia who I think when she came on, I was saying, is it Antonia? Yeah. And she was going to punch me in the nose. That's right. It's Antonia. Yeah. What, what did she dispute from Wikipedia? It's on the little description. I'm trying to remember.

I don't remember. I did not pull it from Antonia. I was going to, it says here clip seven, Antonia Oh, Tyler to play. It says right here. I can't reload it. It's supposed to be real time. It's Ajax or something. Okay, fine. So Antonia was great. And then Bruce Dobegan come over and basically he comes over because I need to talk to people on the other side of the political spectrum. I need to know what Alberta is thinking about everything and I got my dosage from Bruce. For sure. I think Cam earlier said he I'm not afraid to talk to people I don't agree with. Yeah.

Bruce is a great example. He's an interesting guest. He's very conservative, but you're able to have that sort of civil dialogue with them. Even though he made excuses for Elon's Nazi salute, he made a lot of it and he said, Oh, he gave me pictures later of like other people waving high to people. Right. It's like, Oh, they're doing a Nazi salute. And I said what I would say to everybody who trust us, everyone who says to me that wasn't a Nazi salute, I say the same thing. Take video of yourself doing exactly what Elon Musk did and send it to me.

Nobody's done it yet. You know why? Because they know exactly what that is. Yeah. And that's why I'm not on Twitter. Okay. Anyway, then that was episode 1640. The one thing that Bruce said that upset me the most was he said he would be open to discussions about us taking on American money. I'm going to say this clearly to you two gentlemen right now. You're both in the FOTM hall of fame. If we take on American money, we are giving up our sovereignty. This is third rail shit to me and I'm not interested in the discussion. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean that, that, that's definitely more than just an economic decision. Yes. The Canadian dollars kind of shit right now, but that's, that's our

reason to do it. Yeah. Agreed. Agreed. But then came the big one. This, uh, you know, probably the ep of the quarter. Uh, I know it might be top five, top three all time for you, maybe higher. Wow. Um, Scott Thompson, wow. From the kids in the hall. I mean, what, what, what can you say? Like, what can you say? Yeah. I mean, we'll, some things. That I will say that Kids in the Hall, very important to me, shaping my sense of humor. Appointment viewing, I loved Kids in the Hall. Yeah, yeah, just like such a foundation, like SCTV happens early 80s,

we sort of catch up on it as we're maturing and seeing it in reruns. Kids in the Hall starts up in the late 80s and it's just such a bolt of lightning. I think foundational is right, cause it's the music, it's the Rivoli, it's CBC. It's like it's five different guys. It's so Toronto, it's so fucking funny,

it's so cool, it's so edgy. But you know what else I fucking love, very important to me, it was Larry Sanders show. Absolutely. I worship was Larry Sanders show. I worship the Larry Sanders show. Big fucking deal. Funny, we mentioned David Duchovny earlier, so now I'm thinking of David and Larry there. But Scott Thompson's there too.

Scott Thompson, I've always wanted to talk. Well, do I get to share the story really briefly before you play a clip? Sure, sure, sure. I will. Okay, I'll keep it higher level, but you VP of sales reached out and said, would you chat with my dad's friend about podcasting? Right. His name is Larry. And I said to you what I would say to anybody, which is of course, so I have a zoom of Larry and we have a, it's a very intense, very heavy, very interesting

conversation and in passing, he, uh, mentions his wife, Arlene. And in passing, he mentions his wife Arlene. And in passing, somehow it's revealed that one of his wife's clients forever is Scott Thompson. Unreal. Like, and then I, well, what do you think I said? I said something like, could your wife get Scott Thompson to visit my basement? And then he's like, gonna see what he can do.

Yeah. Okay. At some point, Arlene sends me a note and says, Larry says you'd like to have Scott in your basement. Give me some more info. I tell her what's going on down here. Next thing you know, Scott Thompson's in the basement. Crazy. Just like that.

Yeah. And just like that. I had no... Larry's a friend of my dad. They were sort of business partners for a while and I've met Larry a couple times had no idea his wife was an agent and certainly had no idea that his wife was Scott Thompson's agent find out who else is on her.

Well, I think you have a stronger relationship with with Larry and Arlene now than I have had a second zoom of Larry, and it was also fascinating. Yeah. So shout out to Larry. Shout out to Arlene. I did. So Scott, I mean, he covered so much ground. The there was something that you clipped and put on YouTube where he was talking about the Brampton school shooting that he was there for. It was his 1975. Yeah. His teacher, I guess, was sort of the target was the target. Yeah, there was a guy. He wouldn't name the guy. I'll just say his

name's Michael, but Michael wanted to shoot and kill this teacher that Scott had that Scott also loved this teacher. Yeah. Yeah. So just absolutely traumatic God also loved this teacher. Yeah. Yeah. So just absolutely traumatic experience to live through. Um, he also talked about, uh, being fire bombed in LA. His, his home was, was fire bomb because his partner at the time was a filmmaker who'd made, uh, uh, a film about the Hussein family. That's cause they, yeah, you release thing. Yes, that's right. That's right. Uh, and so they were firebombs. So, I mean, he's like in the late nineties. Uh, I think so. Yeah. Yeah. Um, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm gonna just say it the definitive Scott Thompson interview delete destroy all the others. I thought also

You have a few guests to touch on this but like a real it's kind of conversation like serious conversation about like Ageism and like aging yeah, you know in show business and careers like it does sort of like Stafford's like another one It's like, you know, novice are getting any younger and what do you do? Like when you you know your art you you gotta keep your art up. Absolutely. But I don't know what clip Tyler has here, but I was gonna say that the conversations about working for Amazon because this news, is that where you're going?

Yeah, so let's play this clip and then we can chat about it some more. Will there be more kids in the hall? I don't know. There certainly won't be any on Amazon. So not if I'm around, not if they want me in it. Tell me why. Why you said that.

I don't know if you have enough time. I will make time for that. Amazon was an incredibly difficult experience. Yeah, I'm still wounded from it. Well this is the safe space Scott. The censorship, no it's not. The censorship was over the top. It was the worst we've ever experienced.

Yes. And the difference is that the censorship came from the left, not over the top. It was the worst we've ever experienced. Yes. And the difference is that the censorship came from the left, not from the right. And that's what was most disturbing. Like basically it's like, oh my God, the call's coming from inside the house. And I'd never really experienced that before. We were making that show in the middle of the pandemic

in the middle of a cultural revolution where basically society kind of just went, oh no, old white men, they're garbage. I think that's how we were treated. And I know that's difficult to say, but we were treated absolutely terribly. And I've never experienced anything like it. So I mean, it was like almost like we were in the ma, we were in the ma of a kind of a cultural revolution. And I feel like we tried our damnedest. And I think that the COVID and the separation of people

that kind of hurt us, cause we could be separated. We weren't allowed to be together. And you know, it was rough. I mean, all of our material had to be vetted by the DEI and GLAAD and these things are not right. And I just went, this is wrong. How is it that in this time, 2022, that I'm the one being treated like I'm the enemy by the people who I help make assholes. This is so disappointing to hear. Yes, it is. But it was really good. Yes, but it could have been better.

It's great, because we never do anything that's not great. Well that actually is true. But at that time in history, we were not allowed to push the envelope. We were not allowed to talk about certain things. Not allowed. Can you tell me what things you, not allowed. Can you tell me what things you were not allowed to talk about anything? You weren't allowed to have a gay stuff, trans stuff, racial stuff. Really?

You weren't allowed to talk about COVID stuff. You weren't allowed to talk about anything that went against the narrative. But you're a gay man. That's right. But I'm a white, I'm a white gay man. And racial politics at that time were exploding and at that time I believe that all I was seen as was an old white man Not an old gay man

Because but that's that's what would happen and I mean it's difficult to talk about but that's the truth and It should never have happened and it I'm so proud of what we did because you just can't stop us. But I would never do that again. I would never go back into that world. I mean, things have changed, but we just happened to be making our show at a flash point. I know this is making you really uncomfortable. You know what?

I actually appreciate the honesty because I have no insight into this. I can't pretend. I'm just never good at that. Wow. Yeah. There's a lot there. There's a lot of layers there.

Yeah. A lot of layers. That's like tip of the iceberg stuff too. It's all killer, no filming. I mean, there's like ageism. They're sort of, you know, dealing with big tech, Amazon, big company. There's, you know, just it's interesting. He sort of doesn't self identify as a gay guy. He's just an old white guy. Yeah. Um, so, you know, it's,

it's, yeah, I don't know. It's a, I'm kind of like speechless even how to sort of like, uh, like offer comment on that. Cause there's a lot there. The thing that's, that really struck me about Scott is, and it started in the episode when he played the Don Cherry clip. And he said, his reaction to that was that Don Cherry was done dirty in this country

because he had spoken out and said something that was politically incorrect. And so Scott is, I think through the lens of his experience, I think, through the lens of his experience through Amazon, and certainly through the lens of his lived experience, he is extremely, he's so anti-political correctness, which is kind of fascinating for a gay man. But I totally see where he's coming from because of sort of the, the, the, where that, that puts him on the spectrum, you know? Um,

and it was just really, really fascinating. It was interesting how he, you know, defended Dawn and you know, Dawn drops the F slur and he's fine with it, right? And it's like, I know he kind of tried to goat me into dropping the F slur and I wasn't going to bite, but it was interesting to hear his thoughts on where censorship can come from. Like I feel like he said, I really liked him about Don. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Like they were cuddling in the video there. He's on Don's lap and they're, they're having a great exchange there. And yeah, he feels Don was done dirty. And I know there's lots of people in our circle who would say, get rid of that, you know, racist dinosaur. Yeah. And I know there's lots of people in our circle who would say, get rid of that, uh, you know, racist dinosaur. Yeah. And it was very interesting to hear a perspective of somebody like Scott Thompson. The whole episode was actually very, very interesting to just sit here and hear this man talk like that. Uh, or he had, you know, room to breathe and, and,

and, and it was fascinating. I thought the whole part of it, like how shitty it was dealing with Amazon was really interesting too. Cause it's like, well, I get it, but it's like, you know, you guys chose to do that, you know, you're well into your career, you know, probably came with a lot of benefits in terms of just maybe I'm just like putting on my like PR hat, which I probably shouldn't do here, because this is all about the real talk. So I don't like, yeah, just really, really interesting. Again, I'll just come back so many

layers in that and a lot, so much stuff to unpack and such a fasting and we didn't touch on the fact he survived cancer. Like it never came up. Like imagine having a guest who fought cancer and I mean, I saw the documentary that Paul Myers wrote the book and there was a prime documentary where he came very close to dying from cancer. It never made the cut on our 90 minute chat. So it's all that. And then I think he was leaving the surely thereafter to go as like buddy Cole. Yeah. He's going as buddy Cole because there can't be in kids in the hall tour because one member of kids in the hall won't sign off to do it.

Right. Oh, oh, did he say that? Yeah, he didn't name the person, he named privately to me afterwards, I got the name. But in the recording, he said he just chose not to name the person, but that's why he's Buddy Cole. Yeah. It's, I don't know, it's interesting.

It's similar to like, you know, bands where, you know, they don't necessarily see eye to eye and we're, God, good segue, God, that was totally not trying to be a side way, but perfect example. Last, last other thing on Scott for me was, um, I know he talked a lot about sort of the U S and then sort of the whole Trump thing and the threat to Canada and his perspective, which was again, fascinating to me was because he's lived through so much trauma. He doesn't see he's not afraid of it. He's just, he's fascinated by it.

He runs towards the danger. Exactly. Um, yeah, which, you know, what, what are fascinating perspective because of, of what he's lived through. Um, I think it's a good, I mean, also just sort of like a lot of these things are sort of beyond our control. So just go for the ride and see what happened. Um, just before, before you get to next, Mike, I show you something. Tyler's seen this, but thank you to Leslie for the fact check.

The try video was under the bet. Like this is right where bentway beers is. That's where we have bentway beers. Yes. But like probably like 30 years prior. So that's incredible. Back when it was just under the Gardner. What a great song.

I love it. Well, yeah. I mean, it's just the dogner. What a great song to try. Love it. Yeah, I mean, it's just out of the dock. And don't tell me I'm wrong. It's not the first. So the first single was outskirts. That's right. Radio didn't want to touch it.

Also great. That's a fucking great song. But then they felt like they had a winner in try. Like they're like, well, they'll play try, which was the second single. And then apparently radio didn't play it either. Again, I mentioned this like a half an hour ago, but John Martin at much music for some reason loved that song and he basically

Slapped it on much music because he was running much like pre Denise Donlin I was like that was a big hit on CFTR Yeah, but according to the doc anyways according to people it started on much and then the radio top 40 started one of those songs They just sort of transcended format on radio. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. It's country. It's it's kind of a rocky. Like alternative, like with our M and stuff. And for the record, FOTM Jim Cuddy still hits that high note. Yeah, I feel like they played at the car show in Q1. I saw some video.

You know, there's still a cash one thing I'm learning is only two members of the band are making any money. God bless. Should I to Greg video? I forgot about. So I mean, how do you, how do you come down from Scott Thompson, right? Like that's you just shut it down. Yeah. Yeah, that's it. And you mentioned it might be a top five episode. I who hosts this fucking show, I think that's a top five episode of all time. Yeah. Wow. That's yeah. Maybe we'll revisit that next time is talking about rank five top five. Molly's number one. She knows number two

and then you got to Scott Thompson. That's right. Okay. So where are we at here? And we're gonna move on. Allie Weinstein is next. Yeah. And you know what? I watched that documentary. Your tomorrow, not your Toronto as you refer to it many times during that episode. Oh, I have issues But it just a really really lovely document of Ontario place as it was pre Getting raised I actually biked two trillion park today and I took a photo of my bike against a fence where you can see in There yeah, it's just raised. Yeah, it's it, it's so depressing to drive by that and see it.

It just looks bombed out. Yeah. Um, and what a, the sphere is there and then it's just flat dirt and what a, what a beautiful place it was. And it really captures some, some characters that, that use that beach on a regular basis. Enough about Ben Rainer. Uh, yeah. Shout out to Ben Rainer. Uh, anyway, um, I really enjoyed that doc. Yeah, nice job she did. And then it got heavy in that episode because I referenced her aunt Judy

murdered by Hamas on October 7. That's right. Yeah, and she had some very interesting things to say about that and has some really interesting perspective on that, the whole situation. Oh, speaking of interesting perspective on the situation, the next episode was Mike Willner. Absolutely. And it, the topic came up again. That's right. And it was a, I, I really enjoyed that Willner chat because, you know,

there was virtually no baseball to say the J season preview like, like a week before the notice Keegan never dropped by my I'm take. And then I think it's, I think I was clear about to Mike Willner but I'm sitting this season out. I know I was at the dome Saturday but I saw like three batters that whole fucking game. We were just planning this fucking episode for three hours. I didn't haven't watched a minute of sports net. I haven't listened to a minute of Jays games on the radio. I'm sitting this season out. That's how I feel about Stu stones buddy right. So I'm sitting this season out. That's how I feel about Stu Stone's

buddy, right? So I'm sitting this season out till this change is made and therefore when I saw Mike Willner in the calendar, I didn't want to talk blue Jays with Mike Willner and I got to say it's my favorite Mike Willner episode yet. And I loved his revelation about Jerry Howarth. He had never gone public with that before. Yeah, I was actually, I should have pulled that clip because it was a dare you. Yeah, no. So I told you four hour episode. Let's go. Was that new information to the public? Yes. Yeah. And I only had a, I had an inkling because I had Jerry on and I've, you know, I was kind of just reading the tea leaves there in the real time or whatever that he wasn't mentioning Mike Wilner. Like he was, he talked about this and the other, but Mike Willner, he was not talking about. It was clear to me, there was

no relationship between Jerry Howarth and Mike Willner, but I'd never had Mike Willner speak so openly about how Jerry just was, Jerry never liked him. He was never Jerry's cup of tea. I feel like they're just to say they're different years would be an understatement. It's just too totally different, like almost species in terms of like, you know, sports. So like, I could sort of see how they wouldn't like, but Mike got along very well with Tom. Yeah, they were tight. Yeah. Yeah. But I mean, I think also Tom and Jerry didn't really.

That's what I hear. Yeah. Yeah. I don't want to say like common denominator, but yeah. Yeah. Well, they named a street after him near six points in his Robico. He would have Jerry Howard the drive always from Tom Tom's River like a lighter. Am I wrong? Like he's from New Jersey or something. I just hope his blistering out was blisters healed. Yeah. I feel like they're both from this had the same. I thought Jerry was from California originally. Maybe I'm thinking Tom anyway, I probably bought you a good name. Your fantasy baseball team is a lighter's blisters,

trading for Jesse barfield and then like spent three years dealing with a blister long time before he paid off and then it's like, Oh, that was a good trade. Yeah, it took a while. Yeah, it took a while. Yeah. He's from Pennsylvania. You're Pennsylvania. Okay. There you go. Taylor Swift, by the way. That's right. Okay. That's right. Okay. That's right. Alley Weinstein was great. Mike Willner was so the night of the Willner episode,

March 13th, which was a Thursday, you get an email. I get an email. Yes. So my son had soccer practice from six to 7 PM. And I bike to the, the dome. It's a big bubble. And then we bike home together. So I get home at like seven 30,

and then I settle in to check in on the world. Let me see what emails I have and there's an email in my inbox from a producer at CNN asking if I would be at all be odd II odd II Cornish's get I gotta get that name right odd II Cornish's guest on CNN this morning the Friday morning. This is the email that's sitting there. And I had just already got earlier that day, I had an email from Family Feud Canada, asking me if me and my family would be contestants on Family Feud Canada.

You're doing that, right? That happened the same day. So the Family Feud Canada, some people are like, oh, you'd be crazy. I think Al Gregor said, you'd be crazy not to do it. My interest in that is almost zero. Yeah. Am I out to lunch here? I don't want to be, should you, should

you just be Brian Dunn would love it. Yeah, I don't have to do stone. Yeah, I'm not interested in Cambrio. You know why I realize why it's the opposite of real talk. It is the most phony baloney shtick. You got a showbiz. Yeah, I don't want to be that guy that, you know, dance monkey or whatever. I don't want to be that guy that you know dance monkey or whatever I don't want to do that for family few making whoopie Had been in the basement and we had some he was an FOTM and there was some relationship and it's different zero relationship with Jerry D Although Maestro was on mr. D But I so that happened and then later that and this is also the day I quit Twitter by the way because I quit Twitter

Because of the will and their threats and posted my last tweet then I got invited on Family Feud Canada I wasn't interested but then I got the email from the CNN producer that night and I thought oh like I Should do that like I felt like I should do it and then I wrote back and said Okay, and then they told me to be on this WebEx link at 6 30 a.m. The next morning because at 6 45, Audie Cornish was going to chat me up for a few minutes, five minutes or something like that. And the rest is history. I'm on CNN, buddy. To quote a Nikolai Borshevsky, unbelievable. That's the quote, man. Unbelievable. Unreal.

It was like a fever dream that happened so quickly, so quickly that all came together. Yeah. Yeah, it came together so quickly. And that night I'm going to bed, normal time. Yeah, I think I watched the pit. Right. I watched the pit every Thursday night

and I'm fucking enjoying the pit. And I'm watching the pit and then the pit's over. Now, Monique and I are going to bed and I'm lying there trying to fall asleep. And my brain is like, oh, I'm going to be live on CNN tomorrow. Yeah, millions of people. And they don't tell you what they're going to bed and I'm lying there trying to fall asleep and my brain is like, oh, I'm gonna be live on CNN tomorrow Yeah, I won and I they don't tell you what they're gonna talk I don't tell my guests what we're gonna talk about either so I totally get this but I don't know what questions I'm gonna get

I just know there's no safety net. There's no edit This is gonna be live and it's happening the next morning and I had a pretty bad sleep. I'll be honest It's like being on a breakfast television. That's right. Except people are watching. Oh, that was rude. Like millions of people watched you that morning. If you say so, I don't know. I didn't check the numbers. Well, you know, it was on in every airport, every I'm still surprised by people who said they saw it on CNN because then I always this happens in an episode. I recorded already

but haven't dropped where he saw me on CNN. And I'm like, well, you mean you saw me on YouTube and they say, no, I saw you on CNN and it blows my mind that people saw me on CNN. I just assumed everybody's checking out the YouTube clip that they uploaded. I just love like, I'm just looking at

the CNN clip. So it's like three hundred and forty one thousand. And like it just says Toronto Mike says Trump's words of realign Canadian politics. Or someone reminds me of the Seinfeld where like Kramer goes to LA. It's like, who is this Kramer?

Well, there's that great thumbnail on the CNN YouTube page of you and Trump side by side. It looks like it really does. And there's a Chiron that says, cause this was the day that they swore in Mark Kearney, as Prime Minister. And it says, new Prime Minister sworn in. And I'm there in my Canada jersey.

And it really does, cause I saw this after, I didn't see it in real time. And afterwards I saw it, it really looks like I'm the new Prime Minister of Canada. It's just, it is a fever dream, right? Like it did happen. It was five minutes. And you know what's, you played that clip off the top and I can hear.

I'm nervous off the top. I'm nervous by the last question. Whatever the last question she asked me was, I felt normal. And then I was like, OK, now I'm ready. Yeah. And then it was and then she moved on. That's OK. So, yeah, sorry. No, no, no, I was just going to say so the the the not so secret WhatsApp group was just absolutely popping off at six forty five in the morning. I was like everyone's watching everyone's so excited to see a big deal

right? Huge deal, huge deal. Yeah, even PR cam says it was even bigger than that over there. He's pointing to the front page of the channel. That's right. So yeah, just just unreal. I pulled a very short clip not from the the actual interview, but from the tail end of what you posted the next day, which was sort of the how did this yeah, I played the raw feed I had in my which was fascinating as sort of like a TV broadcasting or I found that very fascinating to listen to. I shared it man. So just as just this is just the last few seconds of your appearance and the chat with the producer after. And I hope we can check back in with you

again that's Toronto Mike. It's now 52 minutes past the hour. I want to give you your morning roundup. Toronto Mike man I love that and we will check back in with you I hope. I hope you have a great Friday. No, thanks for this. Thank you so much. After the medical research institution lost eight. Take care, sir. Bye-bye. Funding from. That was it.

That was it. That was it, yeah. So yeah, I mean, maybe in your future, the recurring. I'm the official correspondent. Yeah, yeah, yeah, the man of the people. During this American-Canadian war. So are you like emotional? Cause I feel like so many people have reached out to you and like Aussie, like we're all fucking scared in this country.

Like this shit's fucked as we know it. And I feel like a lot of people probably took like a little solace in just having someone from our orbit, one of our own just out there and you know, saying how we're all thinking, feeling, looking, you know, a lot of people are flying flags and wearing jerseys and all that and well what I've noticed like a little like there's a little bit of comfort seeing Toronto Mike on CNN like I've noticed the people you might get on Toronto Mike might be like a let's say a Doug Ford or an Olivia Chow like these are the kind of people and these are politicians right right you're not

getting like I think I'm the only civilian or whatever who's come on from this country to talk about what we're feeling or whatever. And I don't, you know, as you know, I don't speak like a politician. I don't have any such agenda or whatever. So maybe- Like you literally have a lasagna box on your wall.

Here. Like this is not like the prime minister's office and that's what makes it great. Speaking of that, the sponsors must've been thrilled to get on CNN. Well, those five minutes. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. You know, and, uh, you know, happy for them. They're sponsoring the real talk here. You never know who's going to call.

It might be a CNN, but I'm glad I did it. I think I did all right at the time. I thought I did not so great. And then I came to change my mind that it was fine. I felt like it was like it was 40% of what I was capable of. Like I'm just my ceiling is so high. Great. Yeah.

I think everyone and everyone was very, very proud of you. All right. Thank you guys for the job you did. And you're you know, it was clear you were nervous at the start, but you really pulled it. I was because you sit there in silence. Is your now you did the check in at like 6.30, and now you're sitting there and you're going to, at some point, she's going to talk to

you live on, and you're sitting here, you're just sitting here early in the morning, it's quiet. You're just sitting where I'm sitting right now in silence. You're hearing the CNN, and then your brain starts to tell you what's about to happen. And it's like, you're about to be live on CNN and there are people watching and there's no edits, no safety net, and you're representing to be live on CNN and there are people watching and there's no edits, no safety net, and you're representing the whole fucking country. Honestly, it's the weight of it to me.

And then she asked me and then I never had any plan of what to say, except I only planned that I was going to off the top, just do a little like this is what I do here. You can hear Scott Thompson because only like three days before you might know him from such things as kids in the hall or Larry Sanders show. And then I'm going to just answer the questions. And I think it went fine. Yeah. I get another call.

I think I texted you about I said, you know, from my perspective is like a scummy longtime PR practitioner like you nailed the media training one to one. First question, you set up who you are, what your show is, just level set for all the audiences who I am trying to Mike, maybe you've heard me know you can't here's who I am and here's now let's get into the real talk. Thank you. And this is what a quarter because we haven't even quite wrapped up. There's so much more to come. All right, let's go. So all right. So yeah,

you think that will be enough, right? Like just shut it down. Hell of a quarter. Take the rest of the quarter off. You know, you skip something significant. I feel like you skipped what would have been the headline in a normal quarter that I was on. This hour has 22 minutes like does that even know it wasn't my notes. Where did I thought I thought before because it wasn't attributed. So you know what I did? We I did skip it. I did have it on my like. Where did I thought I thought I was an attributed. So you know what I did? We I did skip it. I did have it in my like this hour. I get notes right away I get a note like you were just on CBC. Yeah, and I'm like, what are you talking about?

It's like you were just on this hour is 22 minutes and I didn't know what we were talking about at all I don't wasn't watching obviously and then I found out they took a clip from my YouTube channel of Charlie Angus and I talking About Wayne Gretzky And they threw it in there and yeah, I was pissed mildly pissed What am I gonna do it's CBC's this hour is 22 minutes But I felt like it wouldn't have killed them to put Toronto miked on the screen and small type When they took my video that I took in this studio independent podcaster There was zero attribution and then I went on to watch it online and YouTube and I thought, Oh, let me look at the credits.

Maybe they say clip from Toronto Mike's YouTube. I don't know. There was nothing. So zero attribution. My neighbor, uh, Roman was asking me about like, he's a lawyer. It's actually Laura Dyken's dad. And he's like, well, maybe you should write them or complain or something. And I'm like, like, nah, like it's a comedy program, whatever. And then literally the next day I'm on CNN, like where they're they're attributing the fuck out of me like Toronto Mike talks, Toronto Mike, Toronto Mike, everything's Toronto Mike. I'm like CBC fucks me over and see be in CNN screams. My name is still over. Didn't you say you tried

to upload the clip to your own YouTube channel and then it says copyright violation. Any re any revenue is going to the owner of this IP here. Yep. That's true. That happened literally. My own clip that they stole on the, this hour's 20 minutes. I upload it to YouTube and I get this thing about how I don't have the rights to share this video. It belongs to CB. What a world. Yeah.

Okay. So I just wanted to make sure. Yeah. No, thank you. That was the night of March 4th. I did have that in my notes, but I kind of overlooked it. Okay. So there's so much going on. Like, wait, you know what? We got to get out of this segment. We have other. Come on. So again, you'd think that would be enough, but you're not done. Then you've got Michelle Geister hearing about it. Yeah. Michelle Geister, creator of rap city. Um, fascinating episode. Just a lot of talk about the early days of, of, of much.

Cause she was there very early on, like 85. I think she, she joined. Yeah. She created a rap city and she was a zoom. She was in Toronto. She could have joined, but she told me she was going to be in Jamaica. That's why we zoomed in. She wasn't in Jamaica. I feel like that 10 minutes was triggered by this episode specifically, but it was a good episode. Yeah, yeah, it was. It was an important episode for me to capture that origins of rap city. I sure I loved how much music for sure. I also had no idea master T was from the KW. Yeah, I didn't know that either. So that was cool.

So that's a basil, not basil, Donna then, but basil young, yeah, basil and Tony. Yeah, absolutely. He's still there. You know, as a camera man, I don't know. Yeah, I know they're fucking believable. So then yeah, the more it is. Yeah. Okay. The next episode. Yeah, this is a big one. Patrick fucking Pentland. Wow. From Sloan. So the third member of Sloan of the four in Sloan to visit here, although I think Jay was in the back. He was in the backyard. So that counts. Yeah. You know, Patrick has written so many like major Sloan jams.

Money City Maniacs is his sugar tune is his like so many classic Sloan jams. And as we talked about before, this this app sort of spawned from that chat with Manfred because he kicked out a jam by fuzzed out which is Patrick's side project. Right. That's exactly right. So I had tried to get Patrick a few times and he kind of just said he was kind of into it but never got in the calendar. It never happened. But then Manfred reached out and just said, you know, Toronto Mike would love to talk to you. And then suddenly he was in my calendar and he came over and I thought I'd get like a big bearded guy like I was a sure I was here's Patrick Pentland and it was fantastic. It was absolutely fantastic. So

Patrick covered a lot of ground. He maybe alluded to a little bit of tension between him and Chris Murphy, yeah, which was really interesting. The biggest reveal for me was his feeling that he didn't really like Twice Removed, which is a fucking mind blow because you know, I know where this is going. Who doesn't love Twice Removed? This was the best moment.

Yeah. So I pulled a clip that I'll play and then we can chat about it. Speaking of Weezer, it's fair to say, I think, that Pinkerton was there twice removed. It would be in that I've barely listened to it. The big, the first album, this big kind of sound, certain sound, and then the second album, very different. Over time, people are going to come out and say, oh, here's the thing though. And this is why I'm always down on twice removed.

I shouldn't be down on it. But here's the reason is because of Weezezer is because while we were making that record while we were mixing that record Twice removed in New York and we had the same saying same a and our guy and Weezer Had been signed by him after we were signed and I don't even know if we knew he signed them We played with them on smeared and and So we're mixing on smeared and, um, and so we're mixing, uh, we're mixing twice removed.

I was really worried because it didn't sound like smeared. I felt it was way too Beatles. It's not really, but I thought it was at the time. And I was like the label, I don't know what we're doing. And they were like, no, no, it's going to be great screwed. So whatever we're doing. And it sounded great and whatever. And we're in, and then Todd Sullivan, the A and R guy shows up with the newly mastered blue. This record by this band Weezer that you played with in L.A. one time. Remember that I signed them. It was like, OK, I take it home to the hotel.

I put it into my whatever was CD player. And I was just like, oh, my, because I don't track as my name is Jonas. And it just it hits you like a title. It's just this is the record we were supposed to. This is what I've been talking. This is the record we should have made. I just didn't know how to, not that I was claiming to be, I mean, we either have their own sort of,

you know, like Rico cassock being involved as a very carzy new wave thing. But, but I just meant like, this is a, this is the power pop, which was not a term I used then that we should be making. And in, and in fact we kind of did anyway, but like I was just blown away by their use of the guitars and it was like a big guitar record, but it wasn't a heavy metal record and I was so jealous and I was just and it was the same. Here's my thing that I'm so pissed about. I love Todd, but was that he knew that they were making that record and he knew we were making this record and he knew this record was going to be

difficult for us to put out and he should have said listen to these Weezer demos. Why don't you try to sound like this? But he didn't and then they're the band that went off that we should have gone off. You know what I mean? Fascinating insight because we were all there for all of this. And that is fascinating. Yeah, that totally adds. I think Weezer is such an interesting band because they seem like.

It's not like they left like a trail of bodies, but like they, because there was rumors, I don't know if you guys remember that they were like a, a manufactured almost like the grunge boy band. Yeah. Cause they did sort of just come out of nowhere and were kind of huge right away and they had the, you know, these really memorable videos and the songs are great. It's been like Mark, Mark, Rick, Rick, okay.

Is it produced them, but like, you know, they didn't really have like, you know, those indie singles and the EPs and stuff, but I don't know. Like, it's the, like, a lot of layers here for someone who's listened to a lot of Sloan and seen them many times. Did you guys go to the, uh, smeared, like, anniversary? I did not know. I can't regret not going because they don't really play a lot of those songs that much, aside from, like, underwhelmed. Um, like that whole smeared sound was like buried and that's still probably my favorite Sloan album, I think. Might be my favorite Sloan album as well, but I have this tendency to prefer the first

album I hear from a band. I don't know. I'm trying to get coined a phrase for that because it happens to me all the time. In fact, I'll go further. Many, many bands, my favorite song is the first single I heard from the band, like many bands, including Sloan. Yeah. Underwhelmed is my favorite Sloan song. I would also say like hearing this, um, the album Navy Blues almost makes a bit more sense because I remember when like Money City Maniacs came out, it was like, what the, what is this like riff rock?

Yeah. Like I, do you think I could place would be like urge overkill a little bit like in nineties alternative rock. It was so different than twice removed in one court to another. Penlands episode full of real talk and yes, full of this underlying animosity towards Chris Murphy, like for almost like Chris presenting himself as like the front man of this band, which wasn't supposed to have a front man. Well, also also all the side projects too.

He, he, he, he, he was great. That was great. Like, I know you mentioned the, uh, was it the trans Canada highway men? Yeah. And he said, who's your memories like, uh, Craig Northy too. But like, I, I bet those guys like that, that's like a good, that's like a good setup, those guys have, you know, tour the theaters, everyone wants to see these songs, play three, three songs from each band.

I bet they make pretty good money. It's probably easy that they all seem like nice guys. But there should be more super groups. And we talked about that as well with Patrick, but why not have other super groups in this country with artists who have the three big bangers or whatever, and then everybody does their three bangers and they all go in on the cover or something. You know, because Patrick could do that. He did leave the John Kastner.

Yes, that's the one super interesting. Yeah. You could hear a shine or whatever from doughboys. I would go. I would honestly, I would go to he's also going with me. Does MF want to go with us? She would go. I think she would like that. She like right. Yeah, she's yeah. She did like he's got he's also got that anyway gang, which is also Sam Roberts, anyway, gang of, and there's tons, there's tons of

inbreds for the guy who said no side projects. He's got a hell of a lot of side projects. Well, he, he was the drummer and super friends at times. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. So come on. And I like Chris and I actually there's a moment where I just said Chris Murphy was really funny and Patrick right away is like, I'm funny too.

I'm like, Oh shit. They need a psychiatrist. This band. And Chris Murphy, I think commented on your Instagram posts. His ears were burning or something like that. Some kind of monster too. Sloan did. And then the very next day, guess who's in the calendar? Andrew Scott. Yeah. Yes. So that's in the calendar. I don't think I've ever heard him talk.

No. Well, you're going to get 90 minutes. So you'll, from me, you'll complete the set, the slum set. Okay. So we got to burn through whatever ends this cycle. So we got to move on. This is a long one. Absolutely. So we're almost there.

So you've just got a really solid string of episodes to close the quarter. Holly Cole. She was great. She was great. I liked her very much. Andrea Romolo. I liked her very much too. I did too.

That was a great Tom Wilson history. Yes, that's right. No more noise. The nose lady. Yeah, you know what? I like the noise lady. Yeah, she was. She was quirky.

Yeah, she was fun. She's kooky and fun and she danced. Yeah. How did she get on your radar? Like how did the Esri? Oh, that's right. I asked her on the Esri's geographical thinking. Shout out to Mike Grigorski. Stu fucking stone. Wow. Come on fellow hall of fame. Always gold. This guy. Yeah. Just a great,

interesting chat of the Ross rock Ross Atkins stuff. Obviously he's kind of biased towards Ross because he's buddies with- He says Ross is doing a great job. Yeah, and I think the rest of us would disagree. The bar is very low. Yeah. And Stu kind of danced around the Trump stuff. He's remarkable.

Understandably so, given he's crossing the border. I feel like now that the transcripts show up on those weird websites for podcasts, I feel like perhaps we're all a bit nervous about my service. But Stu is a dual citizen. Yeah. Yeah. As Wilner is, I learned Mike Wilner is, and as a future guest,

returning guest, Jordan Wagman, the chef, he also do, they walk amongst us. Yeah. I will say it's interesting and I'm on like a couple of different threads with Stu by text, but he mentioned, he's seen parts of America that most people don't. Right. Some of like, we have this thing that it's the Russell crap group chat with me and him and the two guys from overtime. Some of the videos he sends us, like where these wrestlers live, it's,

I've seen deliverance fucking wild. He's someone with a, you remember Ken Pitera? Oh yeah. The Olympic strongman. Yeah. It's just like some of this like footage, who has it just like him on his cell phone. It's like, God, these guys that, you know, were literally cut, that guy fucking cut Andre,

the giant's hair. He literally, I think, held the scissors. That was Brutus the beefcake. No, Brutus the beefcake. No, this was Pitera and Big John Sud. Okay. Yeah. All right. See, that was before. Like that was like before on the Big John Sud. Okay. Yeah. All right.

See, that was before. Like that was like before on the mug there. Holy crap. Yeah. Well, Stu, Stu always interesting to chat with and I, uh, he loved the chat. I love the chat. We might hear more from Stu. That was Stu's 94th appearance, by the way.

So he's creeping up towards the century. Songwriter and producer extraordinaire Hill Corcutus was a fun app. Yeah. I liked, uh, my chat with Hill who wrote the Toronto, uh, world cup theme. Yeah, I like that. It's a little, uh, the TTC chime at the end. Yeah. I like that soon to be bankrupting. Yes. The world cup, not Hill. And then the final episode of the corner lap. Oh my God. The most hype hyped up of the quarter yesterday. This was fucking yesterday.

Wow. Big announcement from Mike Richards. Um, what was the announcement? I forget. Yeah, I don't remember. It was so he last made his big announcement in December, uh, in December, 2024. And he was back in March, 2025 to make another big announcement because that announcement never came to fruition. It never happened. So what I do with Mike is I'm like, Mike, you get 10, sorry, you get one hour in the basement. We're going to start by discussing the last big announcement and what happened, like what happened? Walk us through that. And then we'll do a drum roll. We'll get the new announcement. And then I get to ask whatever I want and I get to get pro. So I did my, you know, in real time, I'm learning what this is.

And it turns out he's recording an hour on a Thursday and he's giving $800 to Rogers to air that hour on Calgary AM radio on a Sunday morning. Yes. That's the big announcement. And you know, depending on, you know, how much you like Mike Richards, that's either very cool way to go Mike, or that is to quote Chris Murphy, it's underwhelmed.

Now, when, when did, were you finding this out for the first time? Did you know, so you didn't know going in, like you want to be surprised like all of us did. I didn Did you know? So you didn't know going in like you want to be surprised like I didn't know going in. I didn't know going in. So I wanted to because I don't want to if it's a shitty announcement, like I want to. I don't want to know the announcement till it's unveiled live and there's people on the live stream and it's happening and then know because then I'm going to react like real deal.

Like I'm going and then I get to ask the questions like because I don't you know, is it paid programming? Is it live? All these is it going to be a podcast? All these important information things that I get to ask the questions like, cause I don't, you know, is it paid programming? Is it live? All these, is it going to be a podcast? All these important information things that I want to know. So interesting. So I have mad respect for his hustle and I root for him. A hundred percent. He's trying.

I think he's making a huge mistake, but I mean the last four announcements, I think I told them were huge mistakes. So I think he knows, although he's never ever said like, Mike, what would you do? Like he never does. His buddy, Jeff Lumbee will phone me up and say, Hey, what would you do to help Mike Richards? And I tell Lumbee because he asks Mike, Richard has never ever once said, like, what do you think of this?

What would you do? He's never done that. So he, he chases the MSM dream. Yeah. And that's how he's wired. He seems to need a dance partner. That is the mainstream media, even if he has to pay 800 bucks a week to have that partner. Yeah. And that's how he's wired. He seems to need a dance partner that is the mainstream media, even if he has to pay 800 bucks a week to have that partner.

Yeah. And I guess he sort of said he sees this as like a starting point. Yeah. But like, where does this go, whether it's in Rogers or Bell or the zone or Amazon or any of these companies? Like, what is the path on this type of content at this point? Yeah. Well, I mean, what I gathered was that he'd have this hour

on Calgary sports radio and there would be such a Bob Willettian spike of listenership during that hour that Toronto would take note and say, we need him on 590, but not paid programming. We will pay him. I mean, it is interesting. We talked about this on, you know, and text a little bit where, you know,

he's talking about this big team behind him. He's got Stern Sound guy. He's got all these like sponsors lined up and whatnot. This remind me a little bit about like Alan Zweig and you know, all the producers in the background, like different content. Yeah, but it's like, I don't know. I was, I thought it was like really interesting

where he said there's all that, but then he thought he wouldn't have the audience like someone like Hep C would, which I would beg the different like use. No, he said humble and Fred was humble. It was humble. But he's been like on major markets in Toronto and Calgary. Yeah. I don't know.

Yeah. I was surprised that too, where he's basically suggesting he's not, he doesn't have as big a built in audience as humble Fred, but humble and Fred left terrestrial radio in 2005 when Fred got fired from mix 99.9 and we didn't start the daily. Let's make real money thing till 2011. So there is a what's that math six years. There's six years between we're on Toronto radio and we're now podcasting every day. Yeah. Interesting. Interesting. Some people be like, oh, that was underwhelming that, that announcement. But I like, I like this guy so much. I like him as a human. He's not perfect. He says things like girls hockey is unwatchable, things like that. But I so root for this guy. Like I just wish he'd stop trying to kick that football

because Lucy slash MSM is never gonna let him kick that football. I feel like at this point, this is almost like a mini series. Like you have to listen to all these in succession because that's sort of the pantomime that's like acting out here. Like it's super interesting. I don't know, like I know it's kind of fun and you know out here. Like it's super interesting. I don't know. Like I know it's, it's kind of fun and you know,

we can't joke about it, but I know it's, it's a, no, it's definitely an ongoing saga. Can I, and again, we're in overtime here and we're going to cook of gas from here on out, but I did take note on my public Facebook page and FOTM left a comment after the Scott Thompson episode that I thought I should read. Okay. So I came out of Scott Thompson thinking it's a top five of all time. And then I re listened and I said, Oh, it is a top five of all time. Okay. And I got feedback from people like Andy and yourselves that, Oh, that's a stellar episode. But right after I posted Scott Thompson's episode, I got this note from

Banjo Dunk FOTM Banjo. Can I read it to you? Yeah. Again, a public comment on my public Facebook page. And he's, he's just for the listeners who don't know. He's like, does Tom or Tom Cochran, Stomp and Tom columners cover nights and tributes and stuff like that. He's in the Stomp and Tom world. Yeah. And he's got Douglas Cameron is an active folk musician.

Yeah. Yeah. How could you air this Toronto mic? Shameful. I could barely get past the first minute. You give your platform to a guy who finds the threat to Canada and Canadians quote fascinating. Then he brags about going there to happily tour while thousands of his neighbors are about to experience great suffering. Luis Penny inspires a nation. This guy, not.

So this whole idea that I gave this man, Scott Thompson, 90 minutes. Platformed him. Shameful is the line. That shameful jumps out at me because I wrote Dunk back and told him it's one of my favorite episodes of all time and I can't imagine a scenario where I don't have a conversation with Scott Thompson in this basement right where where where did he post this on face Facebook yeah Facebook so shut out to banjo dunk. We don't have to agree in everything still still dig this guy

still love this sweetheart but yeah say motions are high in this country and they are high support. Indeed, is that it for wrapped? That's all Mike. I'm sorry that there's no more. That's the longest wrap. It won't be like this next quarter because I can't keep up this. We'll see. I'm exhausted. All right, let's move on. It's kayak season almost kayak season almost kayak season. Shut it to mid to

a nice thing is my iron. I have Biles think we have this conversation every time. Yeah, it's a good red. Like this. Oh, yeah, I like this album.

It said love is was the first single love is what you want it to be. And then of course, something called Black Velvet, which is an FOTM jam goes hard. I wonder what that voice like love is.

You know, it gets kind of like wavering. Like how'd they do that? Have into the lonely show me what you want me to do. This is what I got for you. Actually, we were kind of joking about Steven Tyler saying like El Jolson, she kind of gets it. Yeah, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no Steven Tyler singing like Al Jolson. She kind of gets it. Down on instinct. Anyway, almost FOTM Atlanta. What is this introduced? Can't con cam.

Oh, my God. Oh, fuck. I forgot about this. OK, yeah. Try to do this. OK, OK. OK, this is actually going to be for you, Tyler. So Mike and I have already had a

little chat about this. OK, I'll just say Mike had a little chat about this okay I'll just say Mike had a reaction he's like yeah and then he's like oh it clicks in yeah so I have heard this so let's listen to it Tyler let us know when you recognize what this is if you recognize okay it's worth the wait the openings weird the song The nature jam. They steal this from Dan Gibson. What's that Tarzan song by

Baltimore? Monday afternoon Walking by the winding river On my own, kicking a stone over you Friday morning Candy straight from my pockets At this point I'm like, enough to get a musher. Yeah, but wait for it. Show is over. Everyone, I know this fucking song. Anything.

I mean, I know it sounds like a lot. It sounds like a lot of stuff. Guess what? it came in? I would say like 90 six. I'd say early close 97. Like 94, 95. Yeah, I don't I don't know it.

You're a specific. OK, so the name of this artist is Earth Boy. Does Amy Earth Boy ring a bell? No, it does not. Name of the song showers over everyone, as the refrain says. Interesting backstory. This definitely got a bit of play on CFNY. Definitely got a bit of play on much music.

In the video, the namesake Earthboy is a guy. He sort of dressed up like a, almost like a Southern gentleman. I used, do you ever see like pictures of like Les Claypool where he sort of dressed like a dandy, almost like a Colonel Sanders. So he sort of dressed, he's in a field. It seems like they had a decent budget. So anyway, Earthboy, he's an artist who is based

in East Guilinbury, Ontario. Near Guilford, where my grandmother lived. Shout out to Ezra, here's the Ezra, your geography corner, the birthplace of both Curtis Joseph and also John Candy. Wow. That's incredible. Yeah. So anyway, Tyler, you said, you know, you thought this is 96, 97. It's kind of a grunge sound.

It's remarkable. Well, the band, you've, you mentioned the band yet. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, is a guy named Michael Hansen. Okay. Another mic. Do you guys know who Michael Hansen is? He was in another very big Canadian band.

Oh, he was the fourth member of the Hansens. Mike, I see the other track. Did you want to say that? Michael Hansen, aka Earthboy, the grunge artist, was also in this band. When you shout it out, shout it out I'm a fight for king of country I'm a man in many hearts Sleep beneath the ocean skies fucking glass tiger. Yeah. Alan free. Wow. This is a feel good jam. I forgot. Mike, I think I said this could be a forgotten. I feel like we don't even hear this on boom. This is a great song.

This is a good song. The chorus is like, great. I left Mike a voice memo with your chorus, I got so fired up. When I get voice memos of Cam singing. Oh, yeah. So, yeah, Michael Hansen, the original drummer for Glass Tiger, years after the fact, went on to form this other project named Earthboy. So Michael Hansen was the drummer for the first two Glass Tiger albums, a Thin Red Line and Diamond Sun. He co-wrote a lot of their biggest hits, including what we're hearing now. I will be there.

He co-wrote, You're What I Look For, like that song. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He co-wrote. He's a good singer, right? I think this is the first song on Diamond Sun. I'm Still Searching for Something. I'm still searching for something. Yeah, I'm still searching for someone.

A dud and a love on the run. That's on written by Earthboy after he last Glass Tiger became a touring musician, he toured Europe with Tina Turner. He played with Moody Blues, the Hollywood Bowl. They probably did Knights of White Saddle and all the shit. Beautiful. Beautiful. Yeah, and he's still kind of like kicking around. He was in like a Beatles cover band.

Now he's got a label called Radar Love Records. Radar Love Records. He's done a little bit of music that's almost like a bit more like new agey, like sort of ambient music. Michael Hansen. Yeah, so he's like still out there. Now I did Google him. He's on social media.

I did find his Twitter account I forget what it calls, but he seems like he settled back into like Newmarket area and I did find he He replied to like it was like a tweet about um, Connor McDavid No, it's like a protest some kind of some anti Trudeau protests and he replied to it That ass wipe needs to step down now, good for Newmarket. Oh boy. Just like, but I was gonna say Mike, this seems like he could be an FOTM,

he seems like he has some political opinions that might not mesh, but really interesting resume, cause I mean, the original drummer for Glass Tiger, I still really like that Earthboy song. That's a good song. I think it's like very cool. Yeah, the Earthboy song has been banging around my head for the last few days since you sent it to me. And I got to just go back to Andre the giant for a moment.

So Andrew Ward on the live stream, he says, when they cut Andre's hair, I cried. But on the live, this is exciting to me because I think he should be in the Hall of Fame. I really believe he should be in the Hall of Fame. But Carlos Delgado has joined us on the live stream. he writes, I think it was actually stud and he, who held the scissors and Petera held Andre's arm. I will confess that's actually me. Cause I, when I, when I had to get my, I thought you were Bobby Cox.

Well, I got locked out and I couldn't get a reset, but no, that's, that's me. You know what? I'm disappointed. I thought Carlos was like a classic WWF hero guy. Anyway, I will ask anyone who's still hanging in the live stream, please let us know. Just thumbs up, thumbs down. Do you remember Earthboy? Showers over everyone.

Let us know in the live stream. Absolutely. I'm going to move on to the next. I know how over time we are. And I'm just one very quick fact. We're just getting started. Shower over everyone. It, it was recorded at metal works and that's a good opportunity to tease the fact that the founder of triumph is going to be in this very, very basement. The guy runs. I'll, uh,

I'll drop in like a group chat tomorrow too, cause they, cause also they spent money like on the video, like it was a different time in music. It really was not so secret. It really went out. But that's the not so secret WhatsApp group. I find it interesting that Rush did record at Metalworks and Triumph, of course. Of course, Metalworks, they own it. But Triumph and Rush never shared the same stage.

Don't you find that interesting? That is interesting. They never played together. Cut from the same cloth. It's like in... The two greatest trios in Canadian rock history. Like hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of those two and then the guys from Windsor or whatever tea party. Okay, I don't think anyone knows Earth Boy, but you remember I

remembered the yeah that but I didn't know it till the shower. Everyone everyone good course lexicon corner making a return. We took the quarter off last term because we didn't really have any additions, but we cam and I've been talking about this yeah because because we think there's something that we need to sort of put in the in the lexicon. So we Tyler and I've been talking about this. Yeah. Um, cause, cause we think there's something that, that we need to sort of put in the, in the lexicon. Tyler and I have been talking about this the last couple of weeks. Oh, behind my back. Yeah. I don't know what we're talking about.

Setting up this episode. Yeah. You know? Yeah. And then I w we had a flurry of texts today as we really nailed these. I think these are good. So there's just the two that we've got. Yeah. Okay. So, okay. So we've got two things. So Mike, we've got something that we're and, and we can, you know, we can spit ball these, we can discuss these, nothing's send stone. We've got something called a level one convo. Okay. So I'm going to think of this like this is the urban dictionary. You like, do you ever look at that? Like the sort of description,

then they use it in a sentence. Sure. So a level one convo, a conversation where somebody in brackets in an uninformed, but innocent manner mentions a widely known connection or fun fact to Toronto Mike Q one example, Larry, uh, friend of who? My dad, yeah. Yeah. Tyler's Larry. Who's married to Scott Thompson's agent. Is that that's right. Um, asking if Toronto Mike would consider having Mary Jo Eustis on the Toronto Mike podcast. I didn't put that in public,

but yeah, well the famous example, what's the point of the private chat if it ends up on the fucking podcast? Anyway, this, this is more of a fix and post. Yeah. But I think one that was public, the Ed Conroy one, I feel like you've talked about that publicly. Uh, okay.. Okay, we can share.

It was Hannah Sung, I had already David Klein's breakfast at the King Eddie Hotel. Yeah, there's nothing wrong here. And Hannah Sung, who's at FOTM, said, there's a guy you should talk to, you should talk to this guy, Ed Conroy. So yeah, so. You mean FOTM hall-famer, Ed Conroy?

I basically, it was like one of those things. Yeah. It's like when, uh, who is it when Homer said we should have a movie called, uh, about dinosaurs that run wild and then a poo spends the next, how long telling them, how is it that you never heard of Jurassic park? So again, and again, there's no ill intent. It just, they, they don't happen to know or they're casual fans or maybe they haven't listened to a level one convo. Again, it's not insulting.. It just, they, they don't happen to know or they're casual fans or maybe they haven't listened to a level one convo. Again, it's not insulting. It's just,

okay. Take it under advisement. Okay. Okay. The next one, I might want to change the name because it's a little rude. I was thinking a level one convo. It could be either a polymer app or a cock app like spelled like C aA-U-L, like some, like think of like putty. Like you do in the bathtub. Yeah. Yeah.

You cock it. So let's, let's just go with a polymer Epp, okay? Yeah. Like our money's made from polymer. Grout, grout. Yeah, grout. Grout. A grout Epp. Okay.

A grout Epp. So it fills in the cracks. Yeah. So that's a Toronto Mike episode with a relative unknown person who fills in some gaps like caulking or window sealant. It has close connections with other FOTMs on major topics within the TMU. Zeitgeist. So Q1 examples, we mentioned these, Amin, Batia, or Michelle Geister. So people might not be household names,

but really are like right there and fill in a lot of details. David Aaron is another good one. Fills in a lot of cracks. He's a grouter. Okay, so yeah, so used in the sentence, I just listened to the Amin Bacha episode. It's like thin tortilla. Amin Batia.

Okay, I just listened to the Amin Batia episode. That was a great polymer app. No, sorry, that was a great grout app. That's a hell of a gria episode. That was a great polymer app that no, sorry. That was a great route That's a cock episode because we know how you what we're meaning it'll sound cock It's like someone who's not in the TMU will think we're talking about a penis But of course we're talking about but then like the subtitles will like use the other kids not gonna be like see you I like grout because also sounds like a great villain. It fills in the crack. Yeah, it's crowd., see you. I like grout. Cause also sounds like a great fill in the crack. It's grout. I like grout. That's good. Grout. Yeah. Great. Grout. Yeah.

So, but the level one for a minute, level one convo. So where does level one come from? I know level 42, just like, it's just like basic entry level one entry. Okay. Better entry level convo. All right. And then will you guys come back next quarter to tell me about the three levels of FOTM? We're going to, we're going to workshop that. Yeah. We're going to work on that. I really want to, I want to differentiate there. I can't believe I thought Carlos Delgado was on the live stream. My heart sunk. Well, you saw his photo. It seems, it seems legit.

Well, we had DJ lethal on the live. He's got his hat on. Why wouldn't he be here? We had the guy from the American tail or whatever. He's retired. He's got time. Okay. I love it. Grouter episode. All right. All right. That's it. Entry level convo. Close it up. Okay. We got to move on here. Lots going on here. Okay. Um, these, I can go through really quickly. Um, cause when we talked about, by the way, we, I, the, the big one is updating the Allen Greg thing and scared, right? Is it just me? I always spell like scared and scarred. Like, yeah, but I think it's not both ways. So anyway, this, this is the update that I made in this.

Well both ways, but one way is wrong. Yeah. So the major update for this quarter based on Toronto Mike, the scared Wikipedia page, the song was reportedly written about Alan Greg, a Canadian pollster and political advisor at the time the tragically were managed by management trust limited where Gregg was a partner. As he discussed on the Toronto Mike podcast, Gregg says the band wrote the song in

response to some critical feedback he provided on early versions of tracks for the band's 1994 album day for a night. Beautiful. Wiki police said that can stay amazing. I'm going to burn through these. for a night. Beautiful. Wiki police said that can stay amazing. I'm going to burn through these. Um, I, you know, it's, cause it's like February 22nd. I totally rewrote the head ahead. Yeah. Uh, no immense. Yeah. No immense and friends. Cause they're, I just thought it was shit. So I spent about 20 minutes rewriting that. Um, and I, and I actually, I hate to say the reason I did that is because I heard Noah Mintz on the Raven Drool podcast. So there was some facts and I better on his show or my show. There were equally as good. And actually I also, I don't even like this band, but I just, I kind of want to like fuck with them a bit, but it was accurate. Um, Ben Gibbord, yeah, the death cab for QD.

He was on the band Splane podcast talking about the band, the laws because they're doing all these like Brit pop episodes. And he said to the host Yassi Salik, if the laws reunited, I will do a second album with the postal service. He was kind of joking. So I did update the postal service. Um, and I said, he did say on the podcast of the loss reunite, I did say it was sort of ingest, but maybe not. So I understand this. So this WikiLeaks doesn't have to be a TMU thing.

It can be just anything. This is just Rosie. Great. Yeah. Mainly stuff. This never came up in our wrapped, but can I just interject something really quick? Sure. Sure. Is that Robert Lawson, as you know, came over and we fact checked the Randy Backman episode of Toronto Miked and it was a polarizing episode, but one of my favorites. I enjoyed it very much.

It's incredible. There was a podcast released with an AI version of Randy Backman. Oh yeah. Going off on Robert and I about that interview and it was compelling listening from me like AI Bachman was kind of funny and in the way he went at us and and it was just wild to me and Robert Lawson turned me on to the fact this existed in the wild. So I just want to say shout out to AI Bachman. I enjoy being roasted by him. Do we know who is behind that?

I don't know. I got to get Robert Lawson. Next time we talk to Lawson, we'll try to see if he knows what's going on there. But it was wild to have a AI Bachman going at the fact check episode with Robert Lawson. That thing I listened to, it kind of like freaked me out a bit.

It's like, where's this all going? Like really? Yeah. Um, anybody was funny. I thought AI and I hate AI slop and all that, but, uh, I found AI back meant to be kind of funny. Yeah. Yeah. It was weird. Like it was sort of coherent, but like not, but I didn't know, like, was somebody scripting this and it was just the voice. Oh, I didn't know. Like, is he coming up? Is AI

coming up with these jokes? Cause we're all fucking in trouble. Robert also, he just went on a, I think this thing's on like discord or something, but he just did a fact check of Randy Bachman announcing a Guess Who reunion. Well, speaking of fact check. Breaking the law breaking the law breaking the law breaking the law breaking the law Breaking the law fact checks shadow to Robert Lawson the official fact-checker of the TMU the patron saint of patron saint of fact-checking just a few things I wanted to Set the record straight on from this past quarter. OK, and the altered by mom episode, they shared a fun fact that Junos costs seven hundred dollars if you win a Juno, you can buy your statue for seven hundred

dollars. That is incorrect. Oh, they cost five hundred and fifty dollars. Close enough, including shipping to Canada. I know this because there's a page on the Juno website where you can go and order one. They do make sure that they check to make sure that you're eligible to purchase one. I feel that's close enough. Altered by mom, no doubt regrets the error.

Like, do you have to win? You have to win. Yeah, you have to win. Like altered by mom can't get one for group of the year. Yeah. What about broccoli and- Yeah, I think picking- Shout out the broccoli, proud new father.

Juno award winning big air quotes. According to Suessos. Save that for the next segment. Yeah. In the Chaz Lather episode, Mike referred to George strombollopolis as Jeff strombollopolis. That's drinking in that episode with no correction offered. So I know you regret that's more of a lesson error and more a slip of the tongue. It's it's wrong. I know his name is George. It's wrong. That's so it needed to be. That's

the record needed to be correct. Was it Jeff with a J or like G? I think it was maybe a G off. It's pretentious. It's suggest in the Greg Keeler episode, Greg referred to the author Ken Kesey as Kevin Kesey. Oh, Greg without question regrets that are the electric Kool-Aid whatever or is that Tom Wolf? Anyway, that was also I just lost the loss of those. Timothy Leary was Timothy on February's toast on two occasions. Mike referred to the musical comedy group, the lonely island as the lonely planet, fine travel show. If you want to go to like balls again, Mike, no doubt

how come no one corrected me in real time and and once again, as we talked about that, I sort of missed it in my, my notes, but we're calling out again, the CBC used a video clip of Charlie Angus from the Toronto podcast without attribution. Do we know anyone cam who works for the CBC? I can tell you, you don't know anybody, right? Chuck sleep of anyone over there. Chuck Thompson omnibus. Yeah, let's get up with him.

Thompson on the phone. Rosie Bardon. Yeah. Yeah. With her, take it to Ian Hanumancing, handsome man thing. CBC, as far as I can tell, does not regret the year don't bossy China down in the world is stew stone. Did you play breaking the law there? I did play break. Okay, because I'm like you like saying it. You were air driving and stuff. No, but I did when I introduced the fact check that this one

yeah, right and then the next segment is actually this that's right. During this one, I heard breaking the law. You didn't hear it. Yeah, I should I should have tipped you off that Tyler played it. I like that. I like to hit a second breaking the law right after. I should have said it. I know we need more rehearsal time. We do was a sloth Judas priest or iron maiden. Yeah, yeah, that's I'm sure that's a midtown the other ones like running for the hills run through the hills. That's yeah. I don't know they're all the hills. Run through the hills. That's a yeah, I don't know. They're all the same. I'll ask to be town gourd to tell me. So this is okay. So it is interesting. We're going to hear

from Stu and find out where Stu is right now, but it is interesting. He was in this basement last week. So there's a little less excitement tied to this one, but here we go. I have not heard this. We're all going to soak this in a real time. It'll take a minute. Let's listen. Hello Toronto Mike and friends. I believe potentially Cam Gordon. Love you, miss you buddy. This is the Where in the World is Stu Stone segment. First off, shout out to all the FOTMs and all the FOSs who have tuned in to hear my appearance recently on the Toronto Mike show. I am currently actually still in Ontario. I'm still here. So that's where in the world I am. And I happen to be listening to a Toronto Mike episode at the moment where he has Mike Richards on. And I have to comment Mike, I know it's not really my place to say but boy you were really something in

that in that interview I would love to talk to you further about that but that was something anyway speaking of something you are something Mike something special and I was always coming back to the basement again and hitting my head shout out to Mike Wilder and I hope all the FOTMs are doing great I love you and I love them he's in Ontario everybody amazing always live together we need we need to set up one of those Google Maps with all the powered by where Stu has been powered by yeah yeah we'll get on he does allude to the fact he wanted to talk to me and I didn't I never heard that clip till right now but he sent it to me and then he subsequently,

we were chatting today and he thinks I have this unique ability to, um, tear somebody apart without them knowing they were just torn apart. Like, so I will tear down on Mike Richards and his dreams, but he will not have any idea I did that. he'll think like I'm a sweetheart supporting him or whatever You'd be a good PR person it may be because he couldn't believe apparently and I have to go revisit the Mike Richards But apparently I piece by piece like dismantle his thing. He built up and he's like it flaying he's none the Middle-aged he's none the wiser so well no But you also you do this because you care like you're just like you're giving your opinion I guess better than I do awesome Mike. It's like if you don't think that like yeah, be honest with the guy

Yeah, it's real talk. Yeah real talk We started this episode eight hours ago with a new induction into the FOTM Hall of Fame. That's you Tyler I hope it's a song in I'm still overwhelmed It's gonna take me a few days to when you when when you bike home, will your wheels hit the ground? I don't think so. We'd be like the kids in ET just flying into the to the ice to the moon. Do those effects hold up? Like if I go watch that moon bike scene, I say, oh, that looks pretty real.

Yeah. No wires, nothing. So I watched rear window of my 10 year old. And there's a scene where the main guy is falling. He's falling a spoiler alert. Okay. And Hitchcock does this thing where he goes, this cameras go down at the guy falling and Jarvis laughed out loud at how phony he says that doesn't hold up. And I said, you know, that was 1954, right?

But Sean Psycho next. Yeah. You know what? Not yet. Cause you'll never have another shower. Try jaws. Like an idiot. I tried jaws. Show him that moving train. The bail silent movie. Oh yeah. Yeah. He did all his own stunts. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So guys, I gotta say this was, it was long, but it was like a jam pack. Right? It's great. Covered it all. Love it. Thank you, Mike. Thank you for all the content. Yeah, you killed it. Hours of entertainment. What a quarter. And that brings us to the end of our 1661st show.

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