Toronto Mike'd: The Official Toronto Mike Podcast - FOTMCast: Toronto Mike'd Podcast Episode 1566

Episode Date: October 18, 2024

In this 1566th episode of Toronto Mike'd, and 3rd FOTMCast, Cam Gordon and Tyler Campbell visit to recap the previous quarter of Toronto Mike'd episodes and discuss what's new in the TMU. Toronto Mike'd is proudly brought to you by Great Lakes Brewery, Palma Pasta, Ridley Funeral Home, The Advantaged Investor podcast from Raymond James Canada, The Yes We Are Open podcast from Moneris and RecycleMyElectronics.ca. If you would like to support the show, we do have partner opportunities available. Please email Toronto Mike at [e-mail]

Somehow our innocence is lost. A little flat on innocence, but other than that it was great. We'll go again. One more time. Somehow our innocence is lost. That's my sound, man. And people, some people like, really? I'm like, no, I promise you. Okay. Because I was like.

And you know your nips, right? I know. with your hosts, Toronto Mike, Cam Gorton, and Tyler Campbell. Tyler, you realize this Whitney Houston song just got us booted from Spotify. Like this episode just got booted from Spotify. It's a disaster. Do I do an intro? I can't remember. Do I do an intro? You do a little intro. I'll explain to people later the disorganization I just witnessed. I just witnessed. Welcome to episode 1566 of Toronto Miked.

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A censored one. Been running into some issues there with this platform. What the hell? You want me to address this right off the top? Let's do it. Yeah. Okay. Firstly, we know that if you're listening to FOTMcast, you're a real head.

You are a diehard Toronto Mic listener. Is that fair to say? Very fair to say like this is not for the casual You're not gonna drive by and tap into FOTM cast sure. Yeah, not at all So you're a devout listener and you you give a shit because you're listening to this very meta quarterly roundup You're looking to have some gaps filled in right? You know you tell you care about the TMA pack some of the themes a bit deeper at a deeper level so if that's you then stop listening to podcasts via Spotify because Spotify literally in the past week has removed

hundreds of episodes of Toronto Mike from their platform. They're fucking you. Yeah. You cannot use Spotify to even hear the toast episode I recorded on Friday night with Bob Willett and Rob Bruce. Like that's gone. Yeah. So I would love to hear an episode. And here's here's a food for thought for Q4, Mike, an episode of like Toronto Mike versus the future.

I'd honestly be interested to hear about your concerns about stuff like what you just described, getting booted from platforms because of copyright. I don't know if you're following what's happening with like the Wayback Machine right now, where a lot of stuff's being pulled off there that could like fuck that whole website. And that's such an important resource for guys like us

who want to go back and read the message boards and, uh, and then you've got the AI factor and we're going to talk. I think we're good. Probably talk about that episode, the, the, your worst podcast. There's a lot of shit coming in. That's a bar. Is it? Okay. So we note on that note, gentlemen, okay. So today is October 17. Can we get the FOTM cast episodes closer to the end of the quarter? Because I actually don't like the fact there's a like several

episodes that have been recorded in Q4 that are embargoed because I would like to talk about the AI episode, the Marsden episode is a wacky stuff. I want to talk about. We are not allowed to talk about those episodes. I was away though that I think that's the only reason I think we bumped it so and then there was a there was a movie premiere also right that bumped it yeah. That little guy had a movie so cam. It was good to see you at the premiere of stew stones new movie don't f with ghosts yeah good good good movie. I'd say this is of his scripted film stews best work. I say that genuinely I'll be honest, I didn't love his last one.

I don't know how you felt bandits. Yeah, but I thought this one was good. I think they're hitting their stride. So good job with Stu and Adam. How do you like it, Mike? I think what they've got is this wonderful formula where Stu and his brother-in-law, Adam, they can get a little money, not too much, right?

These are low budget flicks and they go off to Winnipeg and then they create something, like they create something out of nothing. And a lot of it is this dynamic between Adam and Stu. They've got a very good rapport and it's pretty funny. And then, you know, shit happens and they always end up with some wild and crazy big finish. And you're like, I'm just proud of Stu.

And he did it again. Like, I'm just proud of Stu. he did it again like I'm just proud of Stu and I'm here to tell the listenership that they can watch this on demand via Hollywood Suite I think effective Halloween which is I'm told it's October 31st 2024 like they can you can see this yeah and then and this was in Q3 you are at the Hollywood Suite Tiff breakfast, were you not? Who was there? Let me run down the list. Let me get comfy here.

I know there's a lot of FOTMs in the room. Now it's so long ago, I'm trying to remember, but there were a number of good FOTMs, not just David Kine who invented Kines. There's an S on the end of that. Brian Dunn was there. Brian Dunn was absolutely there. Joel Goldberg was there. I saw Ed Conroy, Retro Ontario.

Gord Martino was there. Gord, by the way, before we move too quickly from the Stoostome movie premiere that Cam and I attended just, I guess about a week ago, Gord Martino was there. He's in this movie and I had a pretty good chat with Gord. I would say he's the second most famous fan there. Who would you say is the number one?

Ross Atkins. Ross Atkins. So Ross Atkins was there. I come out of the theater, I go, cause Cam and I had different seats. We weren't even close to each other in this thing. And I should also quickly just shout out YYZ, Gordon and Tom.

They were at this film as well. Big stew heads. Big stew heads. But I said, Cam, I said, sitting in the row ahead of me was Ross Atkins and Cam and Ross for a period of time had their paychecks coming from the same place. That's right. Yeah. He's like a colleague.

Yeah. Yeah. Person non-grata given the Jay season, you're, you're, you're loathsome, uh, 2024 Toronto blue Jays. Are you surprised Ross Atkins is still in Toronto? No, like not that again. The sense that he could be doing this work from Florida or something like still physically physically, and I guess he stayed around for the movie, but that says something right.

Like he could easily go do this from Arizona or something. But so why is Ross and Stu buds like? Yeah, okay, They're but they're bud buds. Okay. And yeah, that why do you think when when Stu made a surprise appearance here earlier in the year, and we got into Jay's talk, he was so high on the whole, yeah, like, let's see what raw he was very, you know, bullish on the 2024 blue Jays. And I think there's a lot of Ross friendship bias. He made his buddy. Yeah, right. But that that season that was that was a snaker.

Yeah, brutal. So I didn't just hang out with Cam Gordon this past quarter at the at the Stu Stowe movie premiere. I also attended a Massey Hall event with you, Tyler. That's right. We had a good time. We I was going to say that I think we all had dates without each other. You and I, you two have a You and I went to the date. We went to the hammer and see explosions in the sky.

Summer summer festival. What's it called? So you two went to Hamilton. How was that? It was, it was a lot of fun. Great night. Yeah. And Cam and I did the stew thing, but you and I, uh, Tyler, we went to Massey hall for the songwriter hall of fame induction. And that was a great night. It was fun. Yeah. Sarah McLaughlin, Blue Rodeo, some big names there. Hall of Famers.

And bumping into people like Jamie Campbell and Tara Sloan and Erica M. Love it. And Rob Del Mundo. Rob Del Mundo was there. Oh my God. Yeah, it was a lot of fun. Community.

Heard a lot of French songs, which was fun. Oh, John Moore and I had a lengthy conversation outside the Massey Hall. And he was talking to me like we were longtime buds. And then I just remarked to John Moore. I said, you know, this is the first time we've ever met. And he didn't believe me. He said, no, we what about cycling and stuff? And I had to assure him that I would remember meeting John Moore.

That was the first time I met John Moore. But he did speak to me like we were longtime buddies. I hate to ask. He's, he's an FOTM, but I feel like a long time ago maybe. Well, he's a funny, we got him to a side door. He was told by his program director, Mike Bendix, and he was not allowed to appear on Toronto might, okay. So I did with Amber Jiro. See, this is why you come. Oh, yes, yes, yes. the inside. I remember this. In fact, we talked about that, but he I snuck him in. He had a colleague at ten ten pass away and I did like a Ridley funeral home memorial conversation with John Moore. So I got him in through a side door, but we'd never had him on for his proper deep dive. Interesting. Okay. He seems like a cure. He reminds me a bit of pagan,

like a naturally curious guy who's a big deal, but still sort of in likes being in the weeds, you know, getting his hands dirty with with this shit you do down here. That's a good comparison and it'll come up in a moment. I think because we're going to check in on upcoming TM Alex events very soon, but yeah, we are. You guys will be in the same room as Steve Pagan on Monday night. We'll talk about that in a moment. Absolutely. Yeah, it's gonna be fun. All right. All right, Tyler, I pass a baton to you. Are you, do you want me to play this? Yeah, let's just back. So cam was in a, I don't know, there was a problem with the TTC and cam was really, really late. And then

we started this thing really late. Yeah. And then the opening theme was the, like an old one. Yeah. I was choking on my coffee. Yeah. I don't know how that happened. I swear to God, I say you went off like just to tell people. So Cam and I start talking about Sean Young, Tom Scare. It's Sean Young, Sean Young, a baby. I really want to be in that conversation. Land of the Lost.

Tyler goes up to the top of the stairs to secretly edit together the opening. Like that's a great service by you. I'm not talking about Ian service, but Tyler's Tyler, that was a well, we could that you did that. You know, we, we couldn't have a repeat opening and I think we'd all agree that it was worth it. Well, I'm not sure it was worth it. It was it worth it. It's pretty good. What episode that that was from Gary Chowen. You were talking about the bizarre, uh, the, the

showtime cut of bizarre. Oh. I remember seeing the nipples. Yeah. Oh, Gary said, you know, your nips, Gary Chow and we'll talk about episode. We'll talk about should we before I play this first clip, should we establish the premise of these FOTM? I think we should. He said he's listening to the first. Can you do it? I got a better absolutely. Yep. So this is a very deep dive into the world of the TMU, the Toronto Mike universe. And we're looking specifically at the episodes from the past quarter Q3. Uh, and we're going to go deeper than anyone should ever go on anything. Um, if we're going to

go into the, the numbers, the, the, the, uh, the facts, the figures, we're going to do some fact checking. It's, uh, it's very intense. It's very deep and it's only for the facts, the figures we're going to do some fact checking. It's very intense. It's very deep and it's only for the very, we got the flotsam. We got the jets. So we got the minutia. Yeah. If you don't consider yourself a Toronto mic fan, get out of here, get the hell out of here. Turn it off. Yeah.

Stop list. I don't want you to listen. Yeah, you shouldn't. You're not welcome here. You're breaking news on the live stream live dot Toronto Mike. This is exciting. Moose Grumpy says Ross Atkins is Adam Rodness' neighbor. Yeah. That's it. That sounds right. Okay. Yeah. That's how Stu got to know his brother-in-law and his partner in crime at five

seven films is the neighbor of Ross Atkins. Wow. Okay. Like in Jeremy Hopkins, just before I play clip number one, he says balls deep FOTM. Right. He gets it. Well said. J ho and I'll be seeing you soon. We're going to do a special haunted Toronto Halloween special with the official historian of the Toronto Mike podcast, Jeremy Hopkins. Terrifying that's happening. Thank you. Thank you people for keeping me pushing and keeping me pushing. You hear, shark? September 17 For a girl I know has Mother's Day

Her son is gonna leave And that's where he will stay When on the weather vang I don't want to fade it down Tyler what a beautiful song gored down he gone eight years ago today seven years ago seven it says eight that's strike two Tyler I know I'll replace you in a heartbeat. Yeah. Wow. Do you remember recording with JD and I? Yeah, that was six years ago today on the first anniversary of word down. He's passing. That's right. Who's JD? Jamie do Jamie do has changed his handle. He would like to be referred to his JD and it's funny. We're playing fiddler's

green for road apples because just last week I recorded an episode of JD's new with JD and it's funny we're playing Fiddler's Green for Road Apples because just last week I recorded an episode of JD's new tragically hit podcast in which I went into great details about why I love this song so much. Oh wow okay. And there was an interesting moment where we record this thing because I love talking about this band and the next day I said, Hey, JD, like, when is it going to drop? Because, you know, I drop things right away, but I know some people hold on to things for a little bit and he goes, Oh, the series launches in January and I'm not sure what I'm like.

I'm like, JD takes his time. Yeah, the same guy has the papent podcast. You're okay. Yeah, I was gonna say he changes his moniker. Okay. Yeah. You went from Jamie. Well, I mean, Jamie do is technically also Jamie, too. Of course. Okay. Yeah. I was gonna say he changes his moniker. Okay. Yeah. You went from Jamie D. Well, I mean, Jamie do is technically also Jamie D. Of course. Yeah. Yeah. What? I want to ask you guys about the tragically hip documentary on prime, but I'm very curious about cam's relationship with the

tragically hip because I know Tyler is a fellow hip head. Yeah. So cam, what does, what does the tragically hip mean to you, buddy? Well, it's interesting. I remember once MF said, oh, I just assume you didn't like them because I feel like she thinks I'm too snobby, too snobby. No, of course. Yeah, no, I'm a fan. I feel like there was a phase in the 90s where like it was sort of pretend not to like them when I was just

into indie rock, but I mean, how could how could you not being of our generation? I was lucky enough to get to see them a couple of times at another roadside attraction and then Eden Fest, I guess, never their own headlining show. Yeah, I mean, they're great. I feel like their music's aging pretty well. I feel like the last, you know, I feel like now we're going to go like in the last calendar year since Gord's passing, since it seems like it's going to be almost like something we look at every year.

They seem like they're monetizing a lot of things in the last year, which power to them. I mean, J. Gold, yeah. In his thing. Good for that. You got the hip chakruri board and the scented candle and the can you get a casket yet? Is that on the. Belong. But yeah, they're they're're awesome I love them it's yeah try something pun intended it's a tragedy he's not dudes not with us yeah we missed the guy and Tyler what did you think of the

documentary series on prime I loved it it was I I watched it voraciously. I drunk it in it. I binged it pretty hard and it was it was kind of a really nice balance of things. I knew versus things. I didn't know like the whole exploration of the sax player in the band. That was fast. That was fascinating. I'd never seen a picture of him, but he was he stood out like a sore thumb. He passed away himself. I was gonna say that guy died. So my recently he did 2023.

Yeah. Yeah. Um, it was, I just thought it was beautiful. And you know, many, uh, points where I was in tears, um, because it was so emotional, the, the sec segment about, uh, Fiddler's green was, was really, uh, revealing and emotional, uh, in that little clip there, which was from the, the final concert, he gives his sister a little shout out at the beginning. Wow. Did you guys, I haven't seen it yet, but I will watch it at some point. Um, did you guys, this is dumb question. Did you guys learn stuff?

It sounds like it was like a decent amount of like new information. The whole Bob rock production, uh, episodes, like that referencing that you, you kind of get a sense of how close this band came to breaking up and how it became the sort of a Gord, almost like a Gord album versus a tragically hip album. And Gord would go with Bob Rock instead of running through the band and just a very eye opening. What did you think of that time?

Yeah, I know. I mean, there were definitely some very hurt feelings and bruised egos around that time. And yeah, the band was really on the verge of breaking up. And they also struggled a lot with Gord's early solo stuff. They didn't really know what it meant. Which if you might recall, I had Paul Langlois here in the summer. And one of the questions I asked him was like, how did you feel when your lead singer Gore Downey said he had a solo album he was working on?

And I thought Paul, like that's the, you know, the first opportunity I had obviously to find out, like, cause I, I'm naturally curious when you're a band and the guy goes into the solo effort. And, and I got a sense from Paul, like, uh, it's like, why aren't you writing songs with us and we're a band. Why are you doing that? But those albums for my recall are pretty like esoteric. Well, and that's the thing that Rob Baker said in the documentary is like I was worried

that you know I was going to lose my day job and then I heard the album and I was like oh okay. Yeah. It's not that. He needs his meal ticket. Yeah. It's not that he needs his meal ticket. Yeah. And that's exactly right. Uh, you know, gourd gourd would have difficulty filling up the horseshoe tavern, but the hip could fill up, you know, the dome, uh, Taylor Swift style. I would say those albums did help them, I think, or the band and gourd specifically get

embraced by almost like the indie rock crowd. Cause there was a lot of, you know, Drew. Yeah, like Kevin Drew's in there and Julie Dorian from Eric's Trip and the fucked up guy. And I mean, Dallas Green is not is not like an indie rock person. But yeah, this 80s were in there exactly. Yeah, they didn't. He did an album with the 80s, too. That's that's actually like a fucking great. It's a really, really good. And the guy the other Josh Finlayson from Skydiggers. Yeah. And that was a the

haven't heard of course. Yeah. Dinner's ruin guy, whatever that guy like it real real sort of deep, deep cuts with the, you know, kind of Canadian indie scene. And yeah, those albums, not everyone's cup of tea, but he clearly had, you know, some other songs and some other sounds you need to get out. So I think it's an really interesting part of the legacy. Needless to say. Absolutely. And here's a fun fact for you. So fucking pretentious. No wonder. Just, you know what hip were too mainstream for you, right? Like you,

you can't tell me now you're a Pearl Jam fan, right? Like, you know, you're a pavement guy. Yeah, but I, I'm like two, like, and now it just like, it's everything. I don't know.. I just yeah, but definitely like in my twenties, I was like more way more too cool to too cool for school. I can't even say well, here's a, here's a tidbit for you cam Gordon, which is that I did mention I recorded an episode of JD's podcast, which will air at some point in twenty, twenty five. There you go. But this handsome guy right here, Tyler Campbell, he's recording with JD next week.

So we're going to have dueling episodes. Right. And is this the same concept? Like you, you talk about one song or love it. And yeah, yeah. You know, JD knows to go back to the hip. Well, this is his third podcast by my account about the tragic. Here's what I want.

When these episodes drop in 2025, you got to listen to my episode in Tyler's and you got to come on FOTM cast and declare a winner. If it's Tyler, it's Tyler. I don't know. I'm not going to fix it in post. I want to know which I'll read them each on a scale of one to a hundred. Perfect. I already lost one competition to the best year in music.

Beck called it like she saw it. She did. Shout out to Ridley. And there is a big tragically hip fan. There you go. Bec might've been the biggest hip fan I knew. One of the biggest. Can we crack open for both Gord and Bec?

Yeah. Yes. Can we crack open our Great Lakes beer here? You want a three, two, one? Three, two, one. I actually did that time. You can't even count in the right order. So indie. Okay.

Cheers. Cheers. Yeah. To cold when I thought cam was going to be cool. Now still, still cold. Um, I know we're going to do the Wiki corner in a second, but just cause Hopkins and you're, I think I'm gonna mention this to him. I actually, after he came on your episode in Q three and he talked about where the

Bob Cajun video was filmed. Oh, right the light Yeah, so I did actually update Wikipedia with Set information and the fucking wiki police and we'll get to them a bit later. They left it in so Hopkins I think you'll see that in there, but that's exciting. Okay, hold that fire We are gonna get into the wiki. Yeah, really on like the outskirts of Toronto, like right before you like crossed over. Cause I actually looked on the map where that is. It was fascinating to hear Jeremy talk about that house at home and who lived there and that he took that light

and he has it. Like we held it up for the picture we took. And again, Jeremy Hopkins will be back and we did shut out JD, but I do want to tell you, Tyler and you cam that you'll be in the same room as JD, because I just like to shout out the upcoming TML X events and then we'll get to the next segment. So on my birthday, when I turned 50, I received a kayak at TML X 15. I'll never forget it. What a special moment that was at Great Lakes Brewery in South Etobicoke. We're all going to get together and I say we're all, but actually, like you had to already by now

respond or SVP and get on the list of 40. So it's like the, it's like the FOTM cast of TMLX events. Right. So TMLX 16 is taking place this coming Monday from 6 to 9 at the GLB brew pub That one's at Jarvis and Queens Key. So it's not in the southern Etobicoke area It's in Jarvis and Queens Key, but you had to already I put it in the feed and I already talked about it But you had to get on a list So if you're on the list and I know JD's on the list, I know you two are on the list I know Jeremy's on the list and I'm on the list of course. And we're all going to get together Monday night at GLB brew pub.

I can't wait to see you there at TML X 16. By the way, you know, as my low point of Q3, hearing that Bob will let things I don't like, and he's going to be there. Is he brought like, I want to, Bob's going to be there. I don't want him thinking it. Why would I not like him? You know what I, but if you heard in real time, I called him out. Like I don't see there any possibility that Camden and I don't know where that comes from. I think it's just like come off as rude because I'm quiet and I've gotten that before. So

like, I'm not surprised. Someone would think that you're, you're reserved. Yeah. And some people misinterpret reserved for a coldness. Anyway, I want to clear the air because I do like Bob very much and Rob. But you're both great guys. Like of course I'd be shocked to find out there was a, I expect Langer and VP of sales. Yeah, I mean, that guy's an asshole.

That's Stu Stone shtick. But I think you guys can kiss and make up and I'll get a photo Bob Willett and Cam Gordon at Gordon at TM like sixteen absolutely. Now, if you're listening and you didn't get on the list and you want to go to a TM Alex event and by the way, before I go by Monday's event too quickly, Great Lakes is hosting us. So they have a restaurant at the GLB Brew Pub, so there won't be Paul Pasta, no palm a pasta. What but so that'll be all glb. They'll feed us and we'll get a drink for our snacks.

I'm expecting a little bit better than that sliders like I want. I actually, to be honest, I was at this launch of a beer, holy mackinaw logger and Joe Bowen was there course and I actually went to glb and I said for tml x sixty and I want the bow and treatment like I want with Bowen was there course and I actually went to GLB and I said for TML X 16. I want the Bowen treatment like I want with Bowen got and I negotiated hard and I'm getting the Bowen treatment. So it's going to be better than just, Oh, it's gonna be better than that. Okay. But if you want palma pasta, this is exciting news. Everyone listening is invited and I don't have to like cap it at 40 so I can have 400 people there if I want

and they make the food there so I could actually feed all four hundred people. But take this down, everybody. Get a pen or a pencil or you can just type it in your phone. I don't care. I'm putting your calendar directly. That's fine to November 30. That's a Saturday, November 30th from noon to three. So, Andy, you're going to have to set an alarm noon on a Saturday, November 30th, you're going to have to set an alarm noon on a Saturday, November 30th, 2024. We're all collecting

at Palma's Kitchen in Mississauga and I'll bring the beer from Great Lakes Brewery, you know, delicious fresh craft beer brewed right here in Southern Etobicoke. And of course, Palma Pasta will feed us because they're hosting us. Everyone's invited. Will you guys be there? Yes. I say I'm a TBD. What would get in the way? Well, a couple of things. I might have to work that day. Saturday. My daughter's. Yeah. Like what the new gig has some weekend obligations.

You were better at the phone company. I'm not so sure about that. Okay. Let's move on. All right. Let's move on again. This is unlike all the other Toronto Mike episodes where Tyler hits me at these audio elements and I have to keep track of everything, but I think we're ready for this

Q three wrapped. Let's get into it. All right. I'll just hit you with the tagline. Let's get into it. Let's get into it. My catch rate. I like it and that let's get into it. That'll be my opening. All right. So I'm going to hit you with the quick facts and figures here about these accurate this time because you are accurate in the past, right? I was once inaccurate and I corrected myself and I got a hold of that mistake. If I remember, they did. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. AI is to be discussed in the next FOTM cast. Yes. Q4. We'll talk in Q4. Okay. This was the 49th quarter

of Toronto, Mike episodes. Very exciting. Oh, that is exciting. Yeah. There were 44 episodes in Q3, the fewest number of episodes since Q1 of 2020. Well, the, uh, the first quarter of COVID, uh, where you had 43. Yeah. Why is that Mike? Actually, it's your fault. Let me explain. So, uh, at my 50th, which was in late June, I received a kayak and I'm now 50 years old and I have a kayak and I intentionally I think I shared this discreetly with Tyler that I was doing this I reduced the number of Toronto Mike episodes in order to increase the free time I might have for a bike ride to the lake or the Humber River and then getting in a good 90 minute paddle and then biking back like that that, it's a time consuming exercise. I need a good, like I need a good like three

and a half hour block or something to do this right. So I intentionally recorded fewer episodes this past quarter. What do you say about that? What was the effect on your upper body? Like, do you feel stronger? Like it seems like very strenuous. Do you want me to take off my shirt?

Let's see the guns. Yeah, before and after. I don't know what very strenuous. Do you want me to take off my shirt? Let's see the guns. Yeah. Before and after. I don't know what to say to that. You have to ask Monica, but I feel good. And the funny thing is I thought like the kayaking would cannibalize my cycling, but I actually set personal records for most kilometers biked in the month of August. And I almost got there again in September and I'm having a hell of a personal best October. So I've never biked more in my life and I'm still getting in that water.

And I think it's because I guess doing fewer Toronto Mike episodes frees me up to be this physically fit specimen before you. I think it was a good summer too. Like the weather was pretty good. Yeah, I just wanted to enjoy the summer. Absolutely. Good for you.

But it was such a good experience. I'm actually thinking, what if I like blocked every Monday next summer? So I just always just, just long bike ride, kayak, foldable kayak. You know what? I'm 50 years old. I got to start thinking about, uh, semi retirement forever, dude. That's right. What, what does your stretch goal with the kayak? I feel like you've talked about this, like going to the islands or that's it. So, and I, that's a time consuming. So it turns out I'm only new

to the kayaking thing. Uh, and it's, uh, you're not that fast on a kayak, like I'm not that fast. So it's like, Oh, if I want to go to the Island and back, I need to get a lot of time. You know what I mean? So I'm kind of building my way to that and, uh, scheduling the next summer. I hope to make I can just picture that one section of hand lens point that's sometimes in the news and you show up in your kayak. It's like this guy with his camera like doing a selfie on the so inappropriate. So thanks again for the kayak and just know it cost you some. I know it's one of my episodes, but I'm a, you know, quality over quantity.

Absolutely. The quality, the quality did not. And how many episodes did you say I did? Uh, 44. So in three months I did 44. Yeah. Like that sounds like enough. It's a lot of episodes. Thank you. Yeah. Those two AI creatures on that, uh, Those two AI creatures on that, the worst podcast, were just floored by the level of content. 100%. That's embargoed.

I don't want to hear anymore about the AI episode. That's right. The AI episode is for the next episode. I have many thoughts. So how does this work? You dropped some, do you have more stats? I got more. I got more.

Okay. Okay. Then we're all going to just discuss. Then we'll just have a free for all. This is the big segment. Okay. Thank you, Tim. So 44 episodes, 59 guests across those 44 episodes, 28 first timers. So some notable first timers. Okay, slow it down. I'm just trying to drink it in here.

Okay, so 28 of the 44 were first timers. 28 of the 59 guests. Oh, the 59 guests. Were first timers. Okay. Oh, right, because I did these Christie Pitts and things. Yeah, there were some gang episodes in there. Right. The Christie Pitts would be like a bunch in there.

Yeah, exactly. If I'm right, there were three of no two of them. OK, I'm looking at this. OK, I'm with you. Yeah. So 28 first timers, some notable first timers that we'll talk about a little bit more, I'm sure. Yeah. Midge or yeah, Steve Kane. Wow. Rock and roll president or the last punk rock president, I guess. Right. Carol off from CBC formerly of CBC That's a big one super agent Lee Steinberg. Yeah, we gotta talk about that. Yeah Ed Sousa

So some some really strong first timers Bob will let who we were just talking about the the lovely Bob will let good dude became the sixth member of the 30 timer club Okay, this is like when showy Otani became a a 50 50. That's right. Yeah. Wow. Yeah Rob Bruce passed Hebsi for seventh place on the all-time list good for you, Robbie. Yeah And then some some repeat app. So obviously Rob and Bob did their three toasts And then there were only three people three other people who had two episodes two of them are me and cam And then of course we had the return of retro Ontario Hall of Famer people who had two episodes, two of them are me and Cam. And then of course we had the return of Retro Ontario,

Hall of Famer Retro Ontario for two episodes. Right. Two very stellar episodes, which I'm sure we'll talk about. We also had three Kick Out the Jams episodes. It's been a bit of a slow, fallow year for Kick Out the Jams episodes. And they're probably long gone from Spotify at this point.

Probably. Yeah, so those are so those who are the jam kickers oh god damn it that's one of them I know one of them is fairly recent I can tell you one was a jam kicking from Cameron carpenter yes Cameron carpenter marshy young Marcia yeah Marcia I screwed that up it's hard I thought that might be the opening clip yeah Marcia oh and Ed Susa was the other one okay all right I should do more, right? You should do more.

They're fun. Okay. Even though it's spot that's all again, if you're, if you're Toronto Mike listener and you're listening to podcasts on Spotify, get off. I don't know if I ever close the loop on this point. Stop using Spotify. There are so many better podcast apps slash aggregators that

don't seem to have a big issue with the fact that Marcia Young came on Toronto, Mike and kicked out the jams. What are the biggest ones? Because I know Stitcher is gone, right? It was gone, but I'd like kind of, I don't even know what's called Apple podcasts. Like just the native default, I assume. And Google podcast is still around. So Apple podcast is a good one. iPhone people often like it. And now it works pretty much like the app in the browser, which is a new enhancement they made. So Apple podcast is not bad. I still swear by my app of choice,

which is called podcast addict and I use the free version and I have nothing but positive things to say about that. It does the job nicely for me and that's how I listen to my podcasts. But there are a lot of apps out there. If you go hunting, Spotify is not a good one because very few Toronto mic'd episodes will survive. I just find, I don't know, like, I think it's good for music. I think it's kind of shitty for podcasts somehow. I don't know. Yeah, I agree.

I don't know why. Well, there's, there's so embed with the music companies. I mean, if I play a little bit of Whitney Houston in the opening theme, the algorithm detects it. And then it's like, they say, hey, we're removing this. And it's like, okay, peace out. Like, I don't know what to say. Like this is just frustrating as far as I'm concerned. So world world we live in. All right, back to you, Tyler. And then let me know. So those are those. That's the sum total of the fun facts that I have or the

facts for the quarter. So I wanted to open it up before some chat just about should I do more Toronto Mike? Like, is this a trend? I don't think it's a bad trend. I think you should. I've always said to you you should do fewer episodes because certainly from an advertising perspective your same money it's the same money so you know why not maximize your time feel free to explore the the universe of cycling of kayaking take care of yourself your mind, your body, and it only makes the other episodes stronger.

Music to my ears. And Mike, I feel like you're at a lot of events in the quarter, like you're a real man about town. You're out there. Yeah. One event I was at was a mid-year concert with Chalk Circle, and I was there with you, Cam Gordon. I know, that was a great show,

and again, we saw some FOTM there. Again, other cam was there cam, camera, carpenter. We saw Michael Williams, Michael Williams. That's right. Which is good. Actually I have some episodes and that's actually the first one I want to shut out. Okay, go ahead. And I don't know if I've been in, but I just want to bring it up again.

Ronnie's local in in Kensington. We went to, we had a GLB on the patio before we started getting rain. I'd never been there. I just want to give a shout out to Ronnie's local. Cause I feel like it's one of the few institutions that you know, is still with us. It's a great Kensington bar. In terms of places you can go.

Great, great place to grab a GLB. Yeah. What did you think of that mid-year concert, him playing along to like his laptop, not dissimilar as to like if Tyler came on stage with like this computer and he sang along. What did you think of that show? You know, I'm a mixed feeling. It feels like a bit of a cheat, like a bit of a cop out because basically some guy is basically got a laptop and he's firing off all the everything.

But the vocals is already I mean, I think he had keyboard in front of him. He had a key, so sure he was adding some keys and of course he was singing live, but everything else was like a basically an mp3 file that this guy was playing. Yeah, and I didn't. I don't know. I didn't dig it like I mean, I thought he was great singing and I'm glad I saw mid year and it was a nice venue is that the Elma combo everybody, but it doesn't seem like that's what yeah, like yeah, it's almost like karaoke. Maybe I think if I were him, I would tweak it a bit because he was very open to band in the box, make it more like an evening of stories and song with a great mid year. Yeah. I remember before she passed a B

Arthur came to town and did something similar. It was like an evening of talk and song at the, you know, Royal Shopper Drug Mart. Yeah, the shopper showed at a cummer plaza. She was up there. I'll see. But I think maybe maybe more that approach because he's he's fucking charming. That guy's very lovable, has some great stories. He was a great episode. Yeah, just a good, good dude.

Has some good stories like he was in like he was in Thin Lizzy. And he was a great episode. Yeah, just a good dude, has some good stories. Like he was in Thin Lizzy, am I wrong? You are correct. Yeah, he was in Thin Lizzy, he was in Ultravox, he's, you know, he fucking wrote, do they know it's Christmas, which they didn't play. I feel like we left a little early, did we not? You know what, we did leave a little early,

and then I went to setlists.fm or whatever, and I checked it out, and I see his setlists are always identical, and I'm wondering if that's because of the way the files are on this laptop. I think that's it. He doesn't mix in that, you know, you can see the tragically hip 10 times and it's 10 quite different setlists, same with Pearl Jam, same with a lot of these, you know, big bands like that. Midge isn't going to the top of the stairs and cutting new... But Cam and I did have a discussion I think over our Great Lakes beer there is that, you know, we were seeing him and was

it August? So we're seeing a summer show and camp did think they might. He might play Do They Know It's Christmas? It's kind of weird because I mean, it's easily as most like well known. Sure. But I just couldn't imagine him singing Do They Know It's Christmas in August. Well, not even mid year. I think I use the analogy I heard when Paul McCartney headline Coachella, he did play a wonderful Christmas time in it, which is

just weird. So you never, I also want to give a shout out. I did listen to the Ed Sousa episode and I just think he's cool. Like yeah, he's a good guy doing the dream, right? But if your music came out on January 1st, 1990, he's not gonna fuck with it, right? It's truly 80s or get the fuck out. He hated the bare naked ladies, for example. I feel like even when he booked the escape club like that,

I was like getting a bit too close. Was it you, Tyler? I was at that show. You were at that show. Yeah, yeah. It was, I only knew their one song. Yeah, Wild Wild West. Yeah, exactly. But that guy was charming only knew their one song. Yeah wild wild

Exactly, but you know that guy was charming too He had some good stories and open it up to the crowd like it's a very intimate event The reason I like what Suze is doing because I can see us doing the exact same thing with the 90s Yeah, yeah, like he's doing it for the 80s soon We can do it for the 90s like I kind of dig the cut of his chair Where are we gonna book him? We're going to book them in the, the GLB stage, Paul, Ms. Kitchen, almost GLP brewery. We got to think outside the box. There you go. Well, Mike, I, I live in, in a box.

I think we actually talked about this on the patio at Ronnie's where that show took place. And then like two weeks after you had the co-headlining tour at the Budweiser stage live in Stone Temple pilots. Right. So you got Stone Temple pilots, the whole band, except the charismatic lead singer. That's the only guy anyone cares about is dead. Right. And then live, the complete opposite. You got Ed, speaking of Ed, not Ed, Susa, Ed, Koalczak. Yeah. And then like a bunch of hired hands. Cause he's like, they're in lawsuits. Right. It's like,

I'd almost rather see an evening with Ed Koal Chuck then quote unquote live or quote unquote stone temple pilots. And I feel like us gen X types or late gen X types are moving into that year where more of the concerts we're gonna see are like that one person from that one band versus the actual band. The great debate and we can have it briefly right now, but are you there to see the, like, would you go see the tragically hip with a different lead singer, right? More likely, and that's a bad example, because there is no longer with us.

Yeah, or if it's Danny Graves, as I pitched to L'Anouche. But, you know, are you, like, what's a bigger draw? Stone Temple Pilots with a different lead singer or live with the original lead singer? But a different band I think the live one is better Yeah, no, I it kind of depends on the band though Because they was like a band with like, you know Rolling Stones like Keith and Mac, you know

Well, what if we're like one of them still in the band and like it's, it would be insane not to have like Mick Jagger there, but like Keith Richards to a lot of people is the Rolling Stones. Where's like life like who's one other guy in life. I couldn't. Yeah. Very few people. Allison Chains is a good example. Okay. That's a good one. That's a good one. Because it's the dudes. Uh, what's his name again? Lane Staley. No. Or Jerry Cantrell. So it's Jerry Cantrell who's still there. Like as his band, they replaced Lane. I've seen them with a new singer. Like I feel like that's kind of a good example where you can get behind it.

Like high marks for that band. I feel like the people actually, it'll be interesting because Lincoln Park has the new singer. I see they're going out on tour and I think it's a female this time. And there's already been some backlash about that. Yeah. So we'll see how that goes. But, uh, she's a Scientologist. Is that possible? No, there's some controversy. Something's going on. Yeah. So I don't know. I mean, I feel like we're, we're heading into that with our all our favorite nineties acts, but yeah, Mitch, you're a band in a box.

Uh, I'm glad I mean, first I didn't pay for my ticket, right? So it was a great night. We had an octopus wants to fight good company and I was happy to be there and I had a great bike ride home. That's the dream. I was going to say the bike. Yeah. Cause we went opposite directions, but that's into the rain. It was so humid that it was glorious. Like in August, it was a great Toronto night. Loved it. Lots going on here. Uh, should I play your clip, Tyler? So yeah, I just wanted to, to shadow it a couple of episodes and then we can maybe get into those clips.

A few episodes that I loved. Midgeer was definitely one of them. Very charming guy. Lots of great stories. I really loved the Robert Fisher episode. I thought it was epic. Yeah, it was fantastic. He was out of fucks to give, and he just laid it all

on the table. That was a great, great guest. He was fantastic. Blair Richard Martin, the raving mojo. I'm glad you're bringing this one up. I feel like the cherry pickers are gonna skip Blair Richard Martin because they're like, who the fuck is this guy? And I did some advanced scouting

because the reason this came to be is because you guys mentioned Steve Kane made his Toronto Mike debut and Kane in passing drops this little nugget. His favorite band of all time is the Raving Mojos. And guess what I'm thinking to myself as he says this? I'm not sure I know the Raving Mojos. That's what I'm thinking about.

How do I not know Steve Kane's favorite band, which is a Toronto band? And I was, then I talked to a mutual friend and I was sort of given an update on maybe that Blair Richard, Blair Richard Martin might not be up to an episode of Toronto Mike. He had some struggles and addiction, et cetera, although he's cleaned himself up, but maybe, but then I kind of just went at him anyways and I'm like, Hey, do you want to chat and better than advertised? I thought he was fantastic.

He was lucid. He had great stories. Super engaging. And now I know basically if you're looking for the history of the raving mojos, Steve Cain's favorite band of all time, you got it. One stop shopping at Toronto Mike. You're not going to get this anywhere else. I feel like that's an example. A perfect example of a band just existing at the wrong time. Like they probably would have fit beside teenage head, late seventies and then nineties, like garage rock type thing. But they were like a kind of an 80s band, right?

Super early 80s, right? And also there's no, you can't go get the Raving Mojo's CD or whatever. Like there is no recorded, even on YouTube searching, like you get some live stuff from them, some reunion live recordings or whatever, but it's really difficult to find a studio recording of raving Mojo's like it's lost the time. So if you weren't there, like, that's why I feel like I wasn't there. Yeah. Okay. Shout out to brother Bill. I wasn't there.

So it's like, I need to talk to this guy while we capture this now. Like, I feel like that's the episode that best explains why Toronto mic'd exists. Exactly. This is, this is, this is the stuff not to pump your tires too. Just pump the fuck out of my tires. This is the great thing about Toronto mic'd is that you capture these stories, you archive them, you are becoming, if you aren't already, the sort of one-stop shop for this archive of incredible stories about the Toronto music scene, the Toronto art scene.

Did this come up? I just quickly searched. Do raving Mojo's have a Wikipedia entry? They do not, but this is interesting. Uh, Atlanta miles guitar player, Kurt Schieffer was in the raving mode. Well, we, we mentioned that in the episode. Sorry, land Biles Biles. Yeah. It all comes back to Biles. All right. Shout out to FOTM Christopher Ward Black Velvet shot at the Buckham Buckham Ranch near Peterborough. Okay the video that is that's a mind-blow right there That's a number one. Yes billboard hot one hit number one hit

Couple other episodes. I wanted to shout out the two retro Ontario episodes. I know we'll talk a little bit more about Harry Forbes and and the Much Music 40th anniversary episode, which I absolutely loved. Thank you. That meant a lot to me. And we learned from the Harry Forbes retrospective to maybe bring down Ed's mic a little bit because he came in a little hot on that one. And we got it right. Screaming that magic shadow. Well, he was a little overmod bit because he came in a little hot on that one and we got it right. He was yelling at that magic shadow. Well, he was a little over modulated because he was remote and then we got it all figured out in time to record what I think is the definitive origin story of much music. And I was very proud of it, but it's all Ed, right? Like I couldn't do it without him.

He was the guy. He was the guy to have. We, we still need that Toronto miced universe field trip to the ed, uh, Conroy compound. Where's the, like, yeah, port Perry to see all his like memorabilia. I got to sign up for that. I would totally go. Are you sure it's not port hope? I thought it was port. It might be port. But I don't want to the ports shut out the wheels. Is that east, east side of Toronto. Um, so I don't know if you guys had any cam be might have had I

have some just really, really quick ones. I told I feel like you have one of these a quarter mic with just like a what the fuck and actually use the guess is going to be well you serve had two because you had the Jerry McGuire guy. Yeah, at least I'm break. I didn't listen to but but Jack Rabid. Oh yeah, that I'm like that, that fucking guy, you know,

that was Chuggo. You want to have the origin of these things? Yeah. So basically I got I've been getting an email for a while from a listener named Jim Romanko, Jim Romanko will be at TML X 16 on Monday. So I'll introduce you to him. Yeah. But he was pitching me on Jack rabbit for a while.

That's like, and I don't know if it ever like, I just didn't know this name. I didn't know the name. Well, this is a good segue into a bit of a Toronto. You know, we just talked about, you know, Ronnie's local, one of the few places that are gone. Here's like another piece and here's for Jeremy Hopkins. Maybe he's seen this that really big magazine store beside a lease palace.

Oh yeah. Press international. Yeah. So when I think of like the big takeover with that magazine that Jack rabbit added, that's like the type of thing that, you know, if you saw Kim Gordon white lived in the annex around to that, that's the type of thing I'd be reading at that store. Cause you can just go and browse there. Uh, but yeah, our RIP, uh, shout out to really funeral, um shadow truly funeral press international closing, apparently like a like some ridiculous like rent hike $4,000 a month.

Yeah. So I'm glad I did the Jack Rabbit episode from left fielder. And that was all because of this guy, Jim Romano, because he his pitch. I didn't completely ignore it. You know what I mean, Ken? There you go. Yeah. And I feel like there's at least one or two, uh,

Steinberg one, like a cold email of a guy who said, Hey, the NFL season starting least available to discuss the odds for week one. Absolutely. And I basically was like, I have no interest. It's a fucking cash Palmer over. Yeah, right. Cash Palmer almost came out. That's right. With Simmons, right?

Steve Simmons was going to make that happen. And he wasn't in condition to do it. I think this is a public information that he had some tough times and was, I don't know, Steve was helping him out. Well, he and Steve did like some TV thing, I thought, where Steve was sort of helping get cash back on his feet. Definitely there's something going on there, but he never did make his way to the basement.

That's unfortunate. But Lee Steinberg, I said, Hey, I'll chat with Lee, but like, I'm not going to follow your blueprint. I'm going to do my thing. Science bucks, who you got? Yeah. And next thing you know, and I've got a zoom, I've created a zoom link and I'm told, okay, Lee will meet you there. And it happened and it's kind of completely at a left field, but I'm glad I did it. How come you're not listening to that one? Can I just, I'm an NFL guy.

Well, I know it's, I've never seen Jerry McGuire either. What? Yeah. Oh my God. Anyway, other, other quick ups. That's a moving along. Fergus, Ham, Hamilton. Oh yeah. Satellites. Yeah. He was good. Yeah. W W wonderful, wonderful guy.

Overdue. Yeah. Like all the music. He's sort of reminding me of Michael Williams. It's like every style of music has like generations, uh, just cool. Like he played the first edge fest with the satellites very quiet, but it was, it was also like the music you'd hear at the dentist's office. You know, give me some, some kind of sign girl.

Yeah. And it's too late to turn back. Absolutely. Yeah. Just cool. And he he's like on the Danforth. He plays at like noon. It's like he's got just around that guy.

Yeah, I like him. Yeah, I like that a lot. Really quickly, I know you had a couple of Christy Piss episodes. Yeah, I bring it up every time he's on Ben Rayner. It's just always good to have Ben's voice. Good spirit. I enjoy my episodes because you got this eclectic. I just looked at the lineup. The first the war, the first one from this quarter, Mike Richards, rich Butler, huge, huge, your legend, rich Butler, Blair Packham, Mark Wise, blind, Joel Goldberg, Robert Lawson, the VP of sales and my favorite

guest of the day, Maya, the mass, right? Fantastic lineup, like all a listers there. And by the way, I see the jitters are playing it. We're just talking about that. But yeah, we'll be up to my Lexus. Yeah, I think he should compass for sure. That happened. I just the second Christy pits episode of

this past quarter, so I won't run down. You know, Ben Rainer was at that one. My buddy Elvis, Leslie Taylor, Rick, a Ruth K who I met at Cam Gordon's wedding. Yeah, yeah, Ruth. That was my best friends of Brett. That man heart you never know who's going to show up right, but I want to shout out a guy who jumped on the mic and we had a good chat. His name is Blake Bell. Fuck. Yes. Is that oh yeah. It does now today in Dave, Steve history. Love that. I can't. I feel like that's the hidden gem of the quarter. You know, move over mid year

Blake Bell from today and Dave, Steve history. Yeah. What don't like he just, he heard me say I'm going to be at Christie pits and he showed up and went on the mic and it was amazing. I will say that that account was discussed multiple times at the offices of Twitter Canada. That's some fans coming from within the house, some baseball fans. And then we used to talk about it was a great account. So great.

So can I just do quick hits very quickly? Yes. One of them saving. I think your clip is going to tie to this one. So I'm going to save that one for a minute here. Okay, but I just want to say I thoroughly enjoyed Gary Chau and on Toronto Mike. Yeah, It was just all killer. No filler. Yeah. It was really the,

it was the prototype for the word association game. Yeah. You're right. A hundred percent. You did it with Peter gross, but really you did it first with Gary. I did it with Peter gross just so I could do it for Leona boy. But you're right. I did kind of do it with Gary Chow and you're a hundred percent right. Sorry. Who was, which one was this? He's a hairstylist. Oh, fuck. We're here as personal hairstylist, but I need to listen to that. So connected to everything. I'll talk about it more in a sec. Yeah, we'll talk about that. Okay. I want to shout out because I saw Hayden

at high park several times this summer and he revealed to me in the final game where my son played his son and my son won. Yay. Hayden reveals that he finally heard my episode about take. I did an episode last quarter about he listens, take he listened because he had already told me that Noah had listened and loved it. Noah mince and Noah said, you should listen. And he finally got to it and he said, he couldn't believe anyone would ever do an episode about take.

He said it was very good and he was very flattered and he enjoyed it. But he said he couldn't believe anyone would waste their time with Epps on take. And I said, then you don't know Toronto, Mike, because it could be a fucking mini series on take. Yeah. And Mike, again, I know this, I think this is a Q four event, but the fact you were not invited to the unveiling of the much music stamp insane, but that happened already. Yeah. Like it happens. Like maybe my invitations in the mail. There you go.

But like that's like, fuck it. That's like a shame in my profession of a PR that like you wouldn't be on the invite list. I deserve that for completely ignoring so much stuff. But I want to shout out the Clive A Smith episode, Nelvana founder and still reminded me of he owes most of his career to Clive A Smith. So, and somebody pointed out in the live

thing we were talking about age differences between couples. And there's twenty five years difference between Clive A Smith and Melody Melia. He was so casual about everything like he's just like the sound like they were literally just like kind of fucking around and that cart. What's a cartoon like that? The kind of rock and roll which one? What the one they do the book he gave me. Yeah. Like I thought they did some like big cartoon in 1983.

That was a flop rock and rock and roll. Yeah. Is that, is that was just called rock and roll? I'll just keep saying it to rule things in rock and roll. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah. It was a huge bust. And then they were saved. What saved them again? Which Oh, a care bearer saved. Right. Okay. Yeah. So Clive A Smith really good with that guy. what saved them again which oh Care Bearers saved right yeah okay yeah so Clive A Smith really good with that guy the most spontaneous episode in the history of Toronto Mike happened last quarter when I was recording with Donovan Bailey his show oh yeah and then I said hey I got a question about Michael Johnson or whatever he's and I said can we do a quick record and he goes okay

like we just just did it because it was because Michael Johnson made some shitty comment at the Olympics right like yeah Like Donovan was in anything after 96 and I kept winning medals. So, yeah, you know, I want to shut up. Peter Gross, who did make one appearance in the quarter, and he booked his mother on Toronto, Mike Maryland Gross. And I was very excited because she's one hundred and one years old. And I had questions for one hundred one year old and Peter was going to be with us.

And then at some point, Peter's mom, 101 years old and I had questions for 101 year old and Peter was going to be with us. And then at some point, Peter's mom, Marilyn, got cold feet and realized she made it to 101 without being famous. And she was worried being on Toronto Mike might make her too famous. So she politely withdrew and there will be no Marilyn Gross episode. I have some news for you. I feel like the fake question that people always like spit, spit ball. It's like when you talk to someone over a hundred is what was the great

depression? Like it's just like, I think Mike had a whole segment plan. It's depressing. I was going to 90 minutes on the great depression. Uh, there was a surprise toast reunion of the O.G. toast crew. Right. It might tell me if I'm ever stepping on any toes cause I don't know what's coming from Tyler, but yeah, that was you, Cam Gordon and Stu Stone. We didn't tell anybody it was happening. We just said, hey, there's going to be a surprise episode at whatever it was, 8 p.m. this night.

And we did it. And how did it feel to do a toast episode again? It was good to be back. I feel like Stu was a bit less shtick this time. I think ever since he's been on that treadmill or whatever he's on, the Sareclimber, taking things a little more seriously. Yeah, like he's looking good.

He's looking healthy, very fit, you know. He looked good at the movie premiere, so yeah. It was so fun to hear that. And you guys didn't, it was like you just recorded last week. We were exhausted by then. Yeah, you guys were. Our runs. But I think I got a little guff from my other co-stars

of the Toast,, coy and Vance, uh, Bob, will let in Rob Proust because I didn't tip them off. And I did wonder in hindsight, whether I should have given them a morning, but I didn't want to tell anybody. I wanted to boys. Maybe that's why he thinks they don't like them. And as I told them, it's not like I took an episode away from them and gave it to you guys. I just added you in. So they still got their one time only bonus, one night only bonus toast. Quick shout out to Chris Burkett, who made his Toronto mic debut. That man produced nothing compares to you for a Sinead O'Connor.

And I think that's a big fucking unreal as heard that a Donald Trump rallies. Yeah, that's right. Wow. And Dr. Cliff Redmond is another name. Nobody will know Redford. Yeah. Oh, you're right. Cause I asked him if he was related to Robert Redford, that's right. Wow. And Dr Cliff Redmond is another name. Nobody will know Redford. Yeah. Oh, you're right. Class. And if he's related to Robert, not right. Okay.

It was fun. Yeah. I was a good guess. Yeah. And the Kings came over. Prus approved that zero and David Diamond were fantastic. And we did a deep dive. Joel Greenberg came out because his podcast and you have a connection, Tyler.

That's right. I took first year drama class from him at University of Waterloo. What a small world Oh, yeah, people should subscribe to his podcast, which is called life in stages Not to be confused good name not to be confused with Brad Jones from Ridley funeral home His podcast is called life's undertaking. Yeah, and Larry Fedorik's TMDS podcast is called later that same life So I now produce three shows of life on the subject line, but uh, Joel Greenberg life in stages We just dropped an episode this morning the fourth episode and the last episode of last quarter and then I'll pass a baton Shout out to Donovan Bailey. I'll pass it back to Tyler

Katie lore. Yeah, right and I was a bit punchy that night. We're punchy. Yeah. And I've been told by, uh, Jesse Hirsch said that I, I had a rant at the end about a classic Toronto, my grant. And he said I should pull that and share that separately, which I might do actually. Uh, I don't remember anything about what I said, but, uh, cause I didn't edit that show. He said it was a great rant. So I enjoyed my Katie lore. I forgot where we, okay. Yeah. We have a lexicon corner. Cause I, I think we're going to talk about the worst podcast a little bit.

I know Katie was involved that. Yeah. She, she produced that show. Yeah. I would say like, she seems like very nice. Yeah. She quit. Yeah. Yeah. I think they all did, but interesting, like totally different universe than I feel like what you do, like sort of her podcast. Well, then your podcast. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, we'll get to that. Yeah, we'll talk about it's not good, bad or otherwise just an observation different Shapiro talk later, not to be confused with Shapiro talk. It's a different talk here. Okay. All right. Clip two.

So just before we do that, yeah, we'll talk. We'll do, let's do clip two. We'll just throw it out there. Why not? Now I need to play the John Gallagher clip, which is the, really the reason I reached out to you. I'm like, why haven't I had Jeff Chalmers on the show? And then I heard him drop your name in this clip, which you're going to hear in the headphones right now. Okay. And then at the end of this, we're going to find out is John Gallagher full of shit or humble and Fred wrong. I need, look me in the eyes. You got beautiful eyes You're gonna be 100% honest with me after this clip. You're gonna be 100% honest. I know what the clip is Oh, yeah, I know what the answer is. Here we go. Oh, okay. So it's 1990 and I'm having lunch of the Molson Indy with

Story about the Molson Indy and how the bats paid everyone a key 107 $20,000 payola lives payola lives and i'll tell you the story real quick yeah $20,000 not to mention molson for an entire year toronto andy moulton labats gave you personally 20 000 canadian dollars if you promise not to say the word molson's for one calendar year? Yes. Wow. Okay, keep going. One with Chuck Connors and Donna Saker and Jeff Chalmers on the $20,000 on the barrel's head.

Oh no. All right, Jeff, I've been waiting months for this here. I don't know, man. Okay. What do you have to say about that clip I just played from John Gallagher? I wasn't at Q in 1990. I was there in the mid-90s on the morning show with John. 93 to 96 was my tenure at that time. And it seems to me that was the Molson Indy back then.

Yeah, it was definitely the Molson Indy. And we used to go down there. We had some boxes at times. We'd go down there and have a little race action and enjoy the day and, and stuff. But, um, that's, you're calling bullshit on that. I, I, I didn't, I didn't, I didn't, I didn't just like humble and Fred did. Just, I'll just say, I never see, I didn't receive any money. Okay. Cause he named, he's specific. That's why you're on the show. I mean, I,

now I got to reach out to find Donna Saker. I think she's in Ottawa. I got to track her down. Montreal, I believe Montreal. Okay. I got to track her down. But he sort of name checks. Obviously I can't check with scruff if he got $20,000, but John claims he got $20,000 for one year. They wouldn't even call it the Molson Indy. They'd have to call it the Toronto Indy because they couldn't say the word Molson on the air, but you, this didn't, no one approached you with this and no one gave you a penny. No one, no one from the bats approached you to make some kind of a payola deal that John describes the stuff that John talks about. That's not the way I remember it. Okay. That's thank you, Jeff, for coming by. I'll play you out now.

Jeff Chalmers delivering the real talk. Bullshit big time Lawson. Yeah. Wow. Lawson's back in my calendar. Cause we're going to talk about some, some other stuff. Oh my God. Talk about that fucking rant.

Randy Bachman. 100%. Oh, please. I'm doing that one for Ellen's why I shout out to the worst podcast ever. All right. That was, yeah. So that no joke when John Gallagher told that story to me,

which sounded too good to be true. He said the name Jeff Chalmers and that's when I took the mental note, get Jeff Chalmers on Toronto Mike. And yeah, we did 90 minutes and it was fantastic. And he really did have beautiful eyes, but it was all for that moment right there. Yeah. I was going to say with Gallagher though, like is he God, I hate to put him in the category with a Randy Bachman or Donald Trump. Like, you know, they were kind of full of shit, but it's kind of just the shtick and that's why people like them. Is it, would you say, yeah, I'm a big Gallagher head. I'm a big fan of Gallagher and he

embellishes stories and part of his, there's probably a kernel of truth in there somewhere. Yeah. We got to find that kernel. Okay. That's, that's for next quarter here. Okay. Very good. Okay. This next clip is from my personal favorite episode of the quarter. And we've talked about it a couple of times. I took a clip from it for the intro. Gary Chowen. Oh, that's your favorite.

It was my favorite. Let me play this. We'll talk in the inside. Yeah, just play it. What was Sonny like? He skied into a tree, right? This is the end of Sonny Bono. Supposingly, yeah.

What do you would you know something else? I can't. That's what was reported. Better lawyers than I do. OK, so you have to do like that trick where you don't talk about Sonny, talk about Bobby, this friend of yours, Bobby. How did Bobby die? Well, it was a little peculiar that you know

Sonny was a pretty good skier he knew that terrain he had skied there before and you know you just don't ski into a tree headfirst and die. Maybe yeah. There is talk from a few people that something may have happened to him I think. He's a congressman right? Well Sonny was put there by certain people, I'm pretty sure. Okay, who, listen, I watched The Sopranos, I got a feeling I know where this is going. We can end it right there, yeah.

He was pretty well connected, Sonny. Don't stop believing, boom! Yeah. Sonny hits the tree. Well, Sonny couldn't do many favors for these people after a while. What kind of guy was Sonny? Not my favorite human being at all.

Used to be Friday night poker games, the guy would cheat. Oh, whoa. For a few bucks. He was not too well liked by a lot of people, Sonny. He just, you know, this and I admire the guy for what he did. He wrote some great songs, you know, and he knew Cher was the meal ticket

and he was the brains behind it all. But he screwed her over financially and everything at the end. And it wasn't pretty. Wow. You've turned me. I think Chow and was the best step. I actually haven't listened to this one too. It's so good. Okay. It's just pound for pound. Yeah. I feel like I need like a secondary burner account for Wikipedia. I don't want to whack too. I don't know about having a co host of FOTM cast who didn't listen to all these episodes. You didn't know. I listened to a lot of

them. Come on. Wow. Okay. But Gary Chow and was a great episode. It's a, it's all killer and that was a great little timid there. Yeah. He talked. You, you asked him about Milton burl. He had a run in with his carl, told him to go fuck himself. Yeah, do you know Danny Thomas or probably he did that kind of guy? You also got a coffee table. Is it true? Yeah, I'm sure that story's Gary. Gary Chow and also didn't care for Steve Allen. Steve Allen was very, very rude man. Right. It was just it was got wasted with Ed McMahon. It was really the guy. That's right. He got yeah yeah. He got drunk with that.

Yes. Guys. Jim Tatti. He was a, Hey, Oh, Jim, he's going to send me a fucking invoice. Man to matter. Thank you very, very much. You know, great, great job.

Gary Chow. How old, how old is this guy? Put him at like 70. He's a, he's a youthful 70. Yeah. He's a young 70. He's still in Yorkville cutting hair. You cut your hair tomorrow. That episode was recorded the same day we recorded the Q2 FOTM guest. Yeah.

And I didn't fall asleep on you. Was he like, would he be someone who'd chip on like city line or fashion? Television or what was his profile? Why was a lot of aging court productions? So he'd be working for bizarre is a good example. A guest on bizarre. He'd be responsible for everyone coming through. Yeah. Tyler Stewart was his driver as well. That's that is, you know what? Very cool. An episode. I'm love it. Yeah. Open it up in the, it was a very, very strong episode since Jerry Levitt. Download it right now. Love it. In fact, I can't talk about it because it's embargoed, but David Marsden was

here yesterday. Right. We talked about Chris Sheppard. Oh, why did he disappear? Not many people do this for 10 years now. He's been completely off the grid and no one seems to know where he is. And he was a big fucking deal naming someone else who did that like this is very unique and we kind of I ran by a story I heard which I used the word allegedly and I use it now and I just asked and again this is embargoed I can't talk about it yet but Marsden gave me a look that said Mike you got that right buddy Wow Wow have you done a mic you make you mentory about? I have an episode in the feed called searching for Shep or something. Yeah, because his

last public appearance was on a show I produced called humble and Fred right and it was 10 years ago. I think I think you are going to find and Cribs Canada like even Cribs Canada was probably 14 like he was living in King in Cribs Canada was probably 14, like he was living in a King city or something like not that. No. Yeah. Well, anyway, we can't say too much about me being sized for cement shoes. Okay.

The next quarter we can talk about. And the other one is rumble. Well, that's a sadder. That's a different rumble was on the streets of Toronto. Yeah. There is a micumentary about rumble. There is a micumentary about rumble, right? And I've been told by a DJ Ron Nelson that we have located rumble

and we're doing our best to help. Good. Good. Yeah. Shep doesn't want to be found. And I think if you don't want to be found, you're not going to be found. Don't that's fine with me. We all have the right to disappear. We do. We've got to be forgotten. Yeah. Unless you owe me money and then don't go anywhere. OK, so, Tyler, is there another clip from this? No more clips in

the segment. There are just a couple of little mop up things that we should talk about. One is you were offered sting as a guest. Oh yeah. Okay. There is some mop up to do. I was offered sting. Yeah. Talk about that. If you would. Yeah. So I was offered stage as a guest, the end. No. And there was a caveat on the offer, which was I can't ask Sting, Gordon Sumner, about the police. Right. And not TPS, okay.

His band, the police. Sound of the police. And I thought for, it took me eight seconds of thinking, that's how long I'm pretty good at thinking before I kind of get a headache. In case you find it dangerous. And I said, okay, my first question's for Sting, if you're right here,

I want to talk about the police picnic. Yeah. Shout out to Gary top and moderating discussion. You got to talk about that on December. I'm going to get that. I got to find out. Don't quote me on this. I think it's December. I think you said December 1st at the concert hall. So it's at 888 young. How do you get tickets? Like what, what, what is, you know what? But more on that soon, Derek Emerson, who's an FOTM seems to be running this thing and I'm hoping they go public of all this info.

I have the list of people confirmed for the panel discussion. It's a Gary Top book that's being launched. I can tell you some FOTMs are on the bill and we will be talking about the Sunday. Is this Sunday night? Is it? Yeah. I'm going to check my it is. What's the day after it might be an after be an after, I gotta find out when that's happening. I'm going to be chatting up like Iver Hamilton and all these

interesting cats. Okay. So I would want to talk to sting about the police picnic. I would abs. It all comes back to the Gary's. I would absolutely want to talk about those shows at horseshoe Tavern when apparently nine people were there before Roxanne breaks. We've talked about this with both Gary's. I would absolutely want to talk about those shows at Horseshoe Tavern when apparently nine people were there before Roxanne breaks. We've talked about this both Gary's and stuff. Like these are the things I'd want to focus in on. So the idea that I can't talk about the police, I would rather not talk to sting. Yeah, I think it's unfortunate because it's not like you're going to be who's like the drummer from it. Stuart Copeland. Yeah,

it's not like you say, oh, why, oh, why don't you guys get along? Like, you're literally going to pinpoint on these very local questions about. But I was kind of offended because in Toronto, Mike, two things are true. One is I've never paid a penny for a guest because there's a podcast that I won't name the podcast, but there's a podcast I learned had an opportunity to have a guest and they were ready to cut a check to this guest that you can, you can do this. This is the thing. I don't know if we talk about this enough, but many podcasts you listen to the guests are being paid to appear on the

pod. Can I get a lasagna? Anyway, go on. I'm not kidding. I'm going to buy you. I'm going to buy you food on Monday. That's for sure. Bar snacks. We're going to talk, but I've never, I would never pay a penny for a guy. I'm just throwing out there. If sting wanted, uh, I don't know, a hundred bucks, he's not getting it. Okay. So I won't pay for a guest. And also I don't want to be told what I can or cannot. Like I need, you need to trust that. I'm going to not go somewhere that's out of bounds. Like I am not going to be

told you can't talk to this guy about, uh, the big fucking band he was in. And I did tweet about this and a few people are like, you're stupid that you you passed up a chance to talk to sting boohoo. And I was like, you talk to sting fucking podcast. I have the right. I'm trying to make not to talk to sting you do that caveat. Yeah, I just I don't know. It's a basic. Yeah. Well, I like I like, I, I, I'm going to say this very sincere cam coming out here. I think this shows the strength of your conviction of what

you're doing here. Like I really do think that cause we, we don't need another like sort of like fluffy celebrity interview with stink as I'd like to call them. And what was my second point? You should also, you know what else I would say? How did this happen again? Like what's the origin?

Like you're publicist, like. No, there's a, I can't, I don't have his name. I have to go to my Facebook messages. By the way, the worst way to communicate with me is Facebook messenger. I'm just gonna, if you had to rank the ways you can get in touch with me, Facebook messenger is the absolute worst.

I have an auto responder on the Toronto Mike Facebook page that just basically says, I'm never gonna see this. Write Mike at tor Mike.com. And I promise I'll read it. Okay. So I can't remember. It's somebody who is brokering this thing. Friends of friend of sting, who listens to Toronto Mike.com, a friend of state. So it was Gavin. So tantric sex. Only we're only talking blue turtles. I would talk. I would just want to talk about the police picnic. Yeah.

I would want to talk about the horseshoe Tavern gigs and the Simpsons. Yeah, I do kind of like that field of gold or whatever that oh yeah, that's a good song. Sure, I like that. Yeah, I respect the man's talents, but I never I never in my life have owned a sting CD. Yeah, yeah, did those no did those like nineties albums? Those were not in CF and why were they CF? No, no, come on, staying on CF and why we will be together tonight. Like that era of staying that probably was on CF. Maybe, maybe what you're talking about? The mistake of eighty eight like that there's a whole period where they did

top 40, but like his first solo album after the police was probably on like alternative. What year is it? That was eighty five eighty six possibly. I bet it was. I think it was eighty five pleading. I gotta get either Hamilton online too. Yeah, yeah, he'll be at that event on yeah. He's on the panel. He's confirmed put on the list. That'll be my first course. Did you place on CF and why Tyler and Cam one one other very important thing that I think we should talk about, and this may take a little bit of time as well,

is we lost an FOTM recently and an EOTM. So this is the so this is our third FOTM cast. So that's all of twenty twenty four. We're in late well mid mid October, and it is, you know, a sad fact that we did lose an FOTM, but there are like a thousand FOTMs and we only lost one, like on the positive side, like this is the first death we've had to deal with, uh, on FOTM cast. And I pulled a clip. Do you guys want to hear a little bit of a bill vigors on Toronto mic? Absolutely.

I do. Okay, let's listen. By Montreal, and I hope you're listening, I don't know if people realize what happened. I was so impressed with him. I got to know him quickly. He was easy to get to know. He was, when he wasn't running, he was a different, that look of strain and concentration and pain on his face. At the end of the day, it was a smile.

He was relaxed. He was fun to be around. But it was his determination. It was what he was going through that impressed me the most. And by Montreal, we run into Montreal and we had to go back out and cover some miles that he had to skip to pull into downtown Montreal in time. And we're driving down Renil de Vec Boulevard, I remember.

And I just turned to him and I said, I love you. And I said, I don't know if you understand that. And he just looked at me and he smiled and he went, yeah, I know. And that's, I wear my, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling,

smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling, smiling that story, Mike, I've lost my concentration. Let me say this. I'm listening to you tell that story and I can feel myself tearing up.

Like I'm actually the whole story in your book as well. I find it so emotional. This is a beautiful story and just a life cut. Like what a wonderful light life cut so short. He was just a kid. I have a 21 year old son. I mean, he was just a kid. And we're going to, you know, walk through this a little bit, but I don't know if I can hold it together for this conversation. And I'm wondering, do you find it emotionally

draining now that you've written the book, you're doing press for the book, you must be telling these stories dozens and dozens of times. How are you able to revisit it so often? I'm just curious how this is on your your mental health. I have to tell you that every interview is different. This is different than any interview I've done. I have to tell you right now. I usually break down like you do. Sometime during the interview I try and hold it together. Writing the book was incredibly emotionally draining. I would be, I realized writing the book that I was having to address things that I thought I had addressed 43 years ago. I would be writing it and it was just all flowing out.

I never took any pictures, I never did any diary. People would say, ask me, are you doing that? And I said, no, I'm making a movie up in my head that's gonna last forever and in reality That's exactly what happened and that's how I wrote the book so I would be in telling a part of the story and I would be sobbing and crying to tell you the truth that my computer and Emotionally trained and I would come out in my living room and I'd sit on the couch and it was my wife Sherry McDonald actually, she was the one who finally talked me into writing it and and emotionally trained and I would come out in my living room and I'd sit on the couch and it was my wife sherry mcdonnell and

actually, she was the one who finally talked me into writing it and uh, I just a couple twice. I remember just slumping on the couch and she just come over and She she came over and put her hand on my shoulder and said, you're doing a good thing. That's Bill Vigors talking about with Terry Fox, some heavy stuff. There the Marathon of Hope 1980 Bill was Terry's confidant. Yeah, so Bill wrote a book about it. And then because he wrote that book book he became available to chat with and I spent at least an hour with Bill and just like you heard it there. That's what we did for an hour We talked about Terry Fox and I was very sad to learn Bill Vigors passed away this past just about a week ago

he passed away and Yeah, my condolences to everyone who knew and loved Bill Vigors. When was that episode recorded? 13 months ago. 13 months. Wow. Because I was promoting my Terry Fox run of 2023. Yeah. Well, saying that like a country where, you know, I feel like we have a short,

a very short history and you know, a lot of stuff is, I feel like people think it's quite unremarkable. I mean, it's it, that seems like one of the, you know, highest approval ratings of something that I feel like everyone can like get something out of. We talked about Gore Downey off the top. Yeah. Gore Downey, Terry Fox, like this is some rarefied air. I'd say being like Terry Fox, cause that's literally just getting around, you know, that's totally relatable

content and just like, I don't know. It's also you guys are a bit older than me. Like I sort of didn't experience it in real. But do you guys have like memories of when it was happening? Because I don't I was born in 77. So I think this is where Tyler and I were both 50 years old. And I big time memories. I remember I were both 50 years old. And I, big time memories. I remember when he had to stop running. I remember and talking to Bill,

cause Bill gave it some great context is that, Canada was kind of slow to jump on this, this marathon of hope wagon. And when Terry got to Quebec, cause you know, he's going east to west, right? So he's going through Quebec, Quebec like tapped out, like the, the, the, the, I guess each province had their own Canadian cancer foundation or whatever. He promised and Quebec, because Terry couldn't speak French, Quebec just said, we're not

like buying it. We're not doing this thing. So he kind of runs through Quebec with very little fanfare. And then bill joins him because bill was the guy for Ontario's chapter of the show. And so Bill jumps in that van when he gets to the Ontario border and everything starts cooking like he gets to meet, you know, Darrell Sittler. I remember when you're when they came to winning, they came to Toronto. What a huge, huge deal that was.

And Bill explains in great detail what came like the radio station got behind everything that came together and Bill got to meet you know like he said Darryl and there's that great story Darryl Sittler running with Darryl Fox who was Terry's like 17 year old brother and divvying up the chicks that they would pass like the young chicks went to Darryl Fox yeah this story's in there wow but it's like it all humanizes everybody but shout out to Jeff Woods and we all hope Jeff was another great episode from the past year.

We met the target. Tell material and you know who edited that book, right? Uh, Bob Wagner, who was at, of course, and he was on Bob's basement. So shout out to the Bob. Anyway, but as you know, I don't have to tell you that Terry Fox ends his run in Thunder Bay so he never gets past Ontario, but it all happens in Ontario and 1980. And that episode ends with a song that probably gets it booted from Spotify. But I played Willie Nelson's on the road again, because that was

a Terry's kind of music. Yeah. That was the big hit the summer of 1980. And, uh, that was the song that, uh, that Bill thought of when he thought of Terry Fox and the Marathon of Hope. Yeah. They don't make them like make them like Terry Fox anymore. I feel like we're far too divided as people and far too cynical and just angry and now we're just it's just motorists versus cyclists. Right? Yeah. Let's kill all the

fucking this morning. Yeah. And it was not even it was south of lake shore. So it was a quiet street because I didn't come to a complete stop sign and a motorist started yelling at me. And I was thinking, I think all this anti bike lane rhetoric coming out of our premier's office, it sort of amps up these guys. So it's like a hundred percent, I'm getting yelled at more cause motorists are kind of mad. I exist now. And remember I'm also motorist and it's going to throw it out. So sure. Yeah. It's okay. We, we contain the heat off of this. So we lost a great FOTM Bill Vigors and on FOTM cast, we will remember all the FOTMs we lost.

But I heard you Tyler introduced this by saying there was an EO. Yeah. TM. So this, I know this is a bit of a delicate subject, so feel free to take a pass on this, but I wanted to sort of bring up the death of Mike Bullard for a couple of reasons. One is you had a bit of a history with him. He was quite unpleasant to you as he was to many people, and you also kind of broke the story of his death. So maybe we can talk about that a little bit.

All right, a little bit here, which is that this past week, I've been hearing from many people about, like how great a guy Bullard is and how he'll be missed because he was a hilarious and just a pioneer and all this great stuff. And I've just sort of bit my lip and let it all like happen because in Canada, we are hesitant to speak ill of the dead. So I haven't proactively said anything,

but I did break that death on Twitter. Yeah, I did. And I held onto that story for approximately seven and a half hours. So I was told Mike Bullard had died the night before. And the reason I was told was because of this history that I'll speak to in a moment here, but it was sort of the, let me know,

like this person who terrorized me in the summer of 2022 was no longer alive. And I got the news and yeah, it was kind of a moment and I'll share a little bit about the summer of 2022 to give it context, but I got the news in my guttural reaction was relief, like pure relief. I don't have to worry about this guy anymore. Like, you know, he's easy, you know, and that was my guttural reaction. And then when I went to Twitter to share it, like seven and a half hours later, when I corroborated it, like Saturday night at like 10 30 or so, 10 something. Yeah. And I texting in private about this topic. So I had this news since two p.m. I got this news from a source I trust, but it was not.

I'm not going to put in public. And then I had a chat with a couple of people, including FOTM Darren Frost, who did a lot of gigs with Mike Bullard. Not an Adam Seabourn, Ohtani. No, I wasn't like I'm not going to have a death right. There's no airplane. No, Simon Rakoff, who's a good FOTM. He's been at some TMLX events.

And then so I knew 100 percent this a good FOTM, he's been at some TMLX events. And then, so I knew a hundred percent this was true. And I just tweeted, I think I tweeted something. Mike Buller died yesterday or something. That was it. Yeah, that was it. I wasn't going to dance on his grave. GPT, right. So that's it. I just yeah.

And I was the first person in the Twitter sphere to mention bullet passing. But just to recap, and I wrote about this on Torontoundlemic.com, so if you Google it, I think I called this entry like Mike Bullard's bizarre lies and threats or something like that. But you can read more of the detail there. But long story short is, in the summer of 2022, Dean Blundell went on his podcast and told a bunch of lies about me that he claims he had heard from fearless Fred. The crux of this is that fearless Fred thought I photoshopped pictures of his wife onto photos of gang bangs and shared them with my followers in the TMU

via the internet. So I would share pictures of gang bangs of fearless Fred's wife photoshopped over top the women's faces. Okay, this was what fearless Fred believed to be true. He's believed this since he got here, and he told Dean Blundell at a golf. They were golfing, and he told Dean about this fucking asshole Toronto Mike to Photoshop photos of his wife onto gang bangs and shared it.

Okay, so I don't believe I have to say this, but I've never done that. Okay, so that's pure thank you for putting that in public. So I recorded an episode of Toronto Mike in which I kind of like set the record straight on some stuff because this pure fiction was being spread in the blend down network and it wasn't fair. I don't know how this happened because I didn't mention the name Mike Bullard. Like I hadn't thought of Mike Bullard in many, many years. I've never met Mike Bullard. He's not a thought.

I never thought he was particularly funny, but I never had any ill will towards Mike Bullard. I just knew what I read in the newspaper. You never invited him to the basement at any stage. Oh no, that's probably not true. Like I'm sure at some point I invited Bullard over as a guest. Well, I thought you in fact had because yeah, there was his part of his animus towards okay. So that's yeah, that's coming here

now. So I said it would be quick and I'm not quick at all except that Mike Bullard at this period of time was having a rough spell because this is after the Cynthia Mulligan the case and he pled guilty to some charges and he his he lost his job at ten ten and he's kind of down why widely covered to I mean the star and so yeah and everyone was all over that story. Shadling road like heaven dawn event was writing about it like yeah absolutely and I actually wasn't writing about it like it just wasn't on my radar. I just read it too busy with

photoshop. Apparently, it's a photoshop skills, but at this time, Dean Blundell was giving Mike Bullard some oxygen by having him on podcasts on his network and where Bullard could talk about like how he got screwed over by the legal system and kind of trying to clear his name or whatever. So when I went at, I don't even like saying I went at Blundell, but when I dropped that episode of Toronto Mike, which is still in the Toronto Mike feed, I don't remember the number, but the Dean Blendell fearless, Fred episode of Toronto Mike went in the feed. I believe it's unnumbered actually, but I didn't I do a second one where I got a number. Oh, maybe one blend. I did a new one. I think there's a couple of attacks

I got. Yeah. So Bullard decided he had to defend his one true friend, Dean Blundell, like, and kind of came at me for and a lot of weird stuff. Like he can't, he called me a derringer apologist or something, even though I'm actually the guy that weekend who famously wrote the whole allegations against John Derringer and documented everything like you broke part of that percent. I've had the women in that situation have thanked me for what I did that weekend because it took a lot of heat off them and help people see it all in one spot and everything.

I was never a derringer, apologist. Like sunlight's the best intercepting. Well, that's actually what I was told. A hundred, a hundred percent. That's why I wrote the entry on Toronto mic about all this with the screen cap, but Bullard started attacking me and threatening me and telling me that he'll be in the same room as me one day. He's been waiting seven years to take something,

this out on somebody. He called me all these awful names, just relentless. And there was like periods of time where he would tweet at me or about me every like eight or 10 seconds for hours. Like he was completely unhinged. And people were reaching out like, are you okay, Mike? Because this is all on public Twitter. He's going, you can probably find them all of you search for his name and money, whatever. You could probably find your house too. No, like,

so in a nutshell, he terrorizes me to a point where I'm talking to the police. I'm talking to a lawyer. I share some of this with my wife who's now afraid for our two young children's safety that this lunatic is going to show up at our house and do something stupid because he was completely unhinged and threatening me. And it was, I, at some point I blocked them everywhere and tried to just ignore it, but he terrorized me in the summer of 2022 to a point where it was very uncomfortable and just horrific.

And that's why when I learned he was dead, I felt relief. But to your point, he then, during this period, he went on another podcast on the Dean Blundell Network. I think his name is James DeFiori. DeFiori, yeah. Oh, right, right. And he starts sharing more about why he hates my guts. And he tells a story that why he hates my guts. And

he tells a story that I invited him, Mike Bullard into my basement for an episode of Toronto, Mike. And my plan was, and you guys know, cause you're down here right now, but around this corner, like around the corner, I would have Cynthia Mulligan, like I'd worked on this. I had worked on the, I had worked on the, I concocted this plan to catch a predator. You know I've never met Cynthia Mulligan I'm just gonna throw it out there, but Cynthia Mulligan would be hiding in the basement. Mike Bullard would come in the basement to be on Toronto Mike and Cynthia would leap out and then the police would come in the door and arrest Bullard for violating conditions of his parole right because he's not allowed to

be in the same space as Cynthia Mulligan, the victim in this case. So this is the kind of stuff Bullard believed to be true. And I don't know where that came from. Like, if someone told him that and he believed it, that's also pure fiction, if I need to tell you that. But he's saying this on public podcasts. And this is basically this is summer of 2022 and I literally blocked him everywhere I could, which will be impossible now with the new owner of this Twitter app. Great.

I blocked him everywhere. Yeah. All right. So if he'd be able to see you because they were like, yeah, if you were a lot of interactive, yeah, well, thankfully he passed away so I don't have to worry about it. But he that's what happened. And that's my experience of Mike Bullard. I had never I've never met him in person. He never did come on Toronto Mike and there you go like a kid. Any questions

kidding aside, I'm trying to think what are the models for what you just like it is Chris Hansen to catch a predator. It's probably like some WWE storylines. You know, it's. Oh, it's it's it's Hercules Hernandez. It's all so it's Jerry Springer. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Exactly. I don't know which is more ridiculous. The whole I'm gonna Photoshop first of all, I had no idea Fearless Fred was married or what his wife looked like and the fuck cares about Fearless Fred. Honestly, like what the fuck that was coming out of when he he was the one he was

hired from Edmonton yeah at the to replace two people were fired in the same day or one day apart Martin streak and Barry Barry Taylor Taylor yeah they were let go one day apart and then replaced with a guy from Edmonton named fearless fred right I was just blogging about Toronto radio because I was the last fucker who cared about Toronto and I belonged to nothing personal. I didn't know nothing person, nothing personal. I didn't have any personal honestly. Honestly, I feel like that seems like a case of mistake. I feel like they're mixing up with someone else. So if someone did that fucking specific and

and that they Fearless Fred came on humble and Fred in like 2014 or something to tell them a bit about this. Like this is in the Toronto mic, that episode of Toronto mic about the fearless Fred Dean Lindell thing should have won me a Pulitzer. It's very well put together, but the bowler thing just comes out of left field and he just starts going at me like a, like he needed a punching bag or something. And again, unhinged, I got so many notes from people close to him, sort of apologizing that he had a break, some mental break, which I'm sympathetic to. Sure. But my safety was jeopardized.

And I don't like that feeling because I have young kids. Well, thank you for sharing that, first of all. And I'm sorry that that happened. And I think it speaks to, I think we talked about this a little bit earlier, certainly in Canada and I think in, in a lot of cultures, it is, people are very, very hesitant to speak ill of the dead. Yes. And, and I think it is incumbent upon us to remember people as they

were. And I think, you know, lots of people are sharing stories about Mike Bullard being a generous person, helping them in their comedy career, and I'm sure he did that. I'm sure he was very nice on humble and Fred this morning. Yeah, I'm sure he was very nice to a lot of people and he was also clearly a fucking psychopath. You know, it was proven in court that he harassed Cynthia Mulligan and he did

like texture like two hundred times like something like that, yeah, like that, and he very clearly and very publicly harassed you. Yeah, and yes, and I've had since Buller's passing, I had a chat with Cynthia Mulligan and oh you know, you know, and again, I'm not even going to compare myself to what she went through, but she had a couple of young kids and they felt terrorized and felt unsafe for a great period of time. And if what I experienced, if there was only 1% of what they went through, then I just, my heart goes out to them. Yeah. That's a big reveal that you spoke to Cynthia Mulligan post passing.

Wow. I wanted to make sure she knew about this passing before I tweeted about it. Yeah. Good. Interesting. But you did that. Okay. Yeah. The most passing. Wow. I wanted to make sure she knew about this passing before I tweeted about it. Yeah. Oh, interesting. But you did that. Okay. Yeah.

So yeah, I mean, I think, I think it's okay to say what people were like and to be honest about it and to feel okay and feel relieved that someone died who was unpleasant to you. Yeah. I don't think that's bad. And I think also like, again, whoever said it, you know, there were, yeah, maybe during CTV he was nice to some people. He gave breaks to some people. He's normal. And then people

are like, fuck, people's change. People have good times. Yeah. Times. Yeah. Some people never come back and then they're, then they're gone.. Yeah, seems to be the case here. So rest in peace, build vigors and rest in piss. Mike Buller. Yeah, okay. A lot of emotion. Wow. This yeah, a lot of ground consider started late. We did. All right. I think we can move on to stinger number two. Yeah. All right. Here we go. Here we go. Speaking of the files, I got to have miles. Yeah. So this is the rave.

Right. The raving Mojo guy playing. Yeah, probably wild. Wow. All right, Tyler, set us up for the can con. Let's get into it. OK, so, Cam, I kick this out. No, no, just start playing the song. OK, well, let's do this.

You guys just say, OK, yes, once you recognize the song, because I feel like this is a. I thought we'd like talked about all the songs, honestly, because this could be harder and harder. And then it's like this song, I'm like, oh, my fucking God, this song. Of course, this song, I had no idea who this band. I know nothing about this band. Hey, let's listen. And if you're in the if you're in the chat room said, yes, I know this song

as soon as you recognize it, which is probably right away. Everyone knows this song. knows this song. Keyboard budget on this song is out of control. It just sounds like Strange Advance or something. Sounds very familiar. So far I don't recognize the song. You'll know the chorus. Oh, that. That I remember. Just a state of mind For something to leave behind I've spoken honestly

So take me Down to the walls of my mind When the mind Sounds like a dream It's kind of like, you know, it's funny. Sometimes I hear a song like this and I think it sounds like songs. I know. Yeah, very, very much so. This song. I couldn't tell you the band name.

No, I never heard this band that The name of the band is Paradox. No. The name of the song is Waterline. Sure. Not to be confused with Spoon's Waterline. Right. Or Lois' Powerline. OK, good call by Leslie Villain.

Or is it Leslie Villain? Right, Leslie Villain. Leslie, I think it's Leslie Villain. Villain, right. So it sounds like only in my dreams by that is true. Yeah, that's a good call. Yeah, that's the kind of stuff it reminds me of songs. I know. Yeah. So this band paradox, they're a French Canadian band. Oh really? Okay. But it like the songs

like 989 you see the video. It's like it's got it very much has that 80 shifting into the 90s. Yeah Yeah, if that makes sense, it's not quite hair metal, but it's definitely not like grunge right very pre grunge Yeah, so this band is from a grand mayor Quebec that eventually got absorbed into a mega city Shawin again, ah the show when again Uh, Schoenigen. Ah, the Schoenigen handshake. Yeah, that's such a good, that list of just things, but a couple of, here's the, the Esri geography corner, a couple of other famous residents from Schoenigen, uh, both shocking hockey players.

We got Jacques Plante. Oh yeah. Hall of Famer. That's a very big deal. And a guy, a good, remember some guys, NHL guy, Marten Jelena. Oh yeah. He played for the Canadians, right? Martin Edmonton, right?

He was in the Gretzky trade. He was in the Gretzky trade, yeah. Good career, Martin Jelena. Put the dagger in the 2002 Leafs with the Hurricanes. Right. Yeah, so Andy, Bevet Glass, Tiger Vibe, about 100%. Andrew Ward says, Schoenigen, beautiful. Have you guys traveled in Quebec at all?

I've never been to Schoenigen. When I drove to PEI, I drove to P.I. I went to like rural Quebec. How is it? I always thought that would be really interesting doing like small town Quebec. I we definitely had one night in small town Quebec. And I remember no one spoke English. Yeah. Yeah.

Exactly. Like a really, really different culture, which is what and get paradox came out there and there and sounds very non-Quebecois. I saw a very nice waterfall at that location. I gotta find out the name of that. Okay, please do. Here's a trivia question. An FOTM wrote this. This is from the first Paradox album and FOTM wrote all the lyrics. Really? Who was it? Oh my God, give me a second. Don't tell me. Okay. So, Gordep. Good guess. Good guess. Here's a clue. Wrong gender. Oh, Sass Jordan. Yes. Really? That was a great guess. Really?

Yeah. Sass Jordan is correct. Apparently wrote all these lyrics. She was in the box of living together from time to get closer together. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. So case of Montreal. Yeah. She's a Quebec girl. Yeah. So a few more fun facts very quickly about Paradox. They broke up in 1991. Their last hit was something called Kiss Me on the Lips. Went to number 49. You can't do not remember that. The singer Sylvan Cosette still performs. He's in a Beatles cover band. He does like a lot of gigging around Quebec and as well his, his wife, this is very interesting because I sort of knew this existed. His wife is someone named Andrew Waters. She actually wrote the lyrics for the French language version of Justin Bieber's one less lonely girl.

I don't even know the English version. I know a lot of Bieber, I don't know that Bieber. I don't know that one. But I sort of remember this growing up, sometimes it'd be the French language song of the top 40. I'm like, oh yeah, that's actually a thing that happens sometimes. So anyway, Paradox, Waterline. No, I gotta say. A familiar song.

Memory Hole. Is that the term we use on this show? I have definitely heard that song before. Yeah, I think that's like a bullseye for this segment. Am I wrong? Like, yeah. So Paradox was up for best new group of the year in 1990. Okay. Sure. Yeah. Uh, do you know who won that year?

1990 new group. Yeah. Yeah. I sort of saw what you're looking at. Yes. Yeah. The other, the other here was 89. Yeah. The other nominees were Brighton rock. Okay. FOTM is spray, but in tip are also in FOTM. Yeah, yeah, Indio, yeah, covered by Eddie better, our son, our son, and sons of freedom. Okay, all they were a west coast thing, right. They were on the ill fated tour with our Bergman and pure and to put on fuck boots. Yes, no that they're a huge part of Toronto, make history. I should get totally, but a huge, huge blind spot for

me is sons of freedom. I feel like did Toronto even get behind this bad. They were, you know, good, like they were sort of like, cry, cry, cry, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, they had like two hits gump was over there. cry cry, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah. They had like two hits gump was over there. Gump was there. There was the album. You know, you're no good. Yeah, not the presence. That was the weirdo yankovic parody lump.

Wow. Okay, I'm processing all of this. Yeah, so I missed out on paradox. Wow. I love this segment though. Forgotten cancon. Yeah. Do you want to roll right into the next segment? I realized the wrapped segment takes like 90 minutes. It takes a lot of time. Yeah. Let's roll right into it. Lexicon corner. Let's get into it. Yeah. Before we get into it, I want to give kudos to Tyler Campbell, aka VP of sales doesn't make many sales brother, but he's gonna go garbage day while Mike Majeski. Yeah, the end, you know, there were some some good garbage day got fucked by cove. It was a huge thing. There was a huge deal on the table. Yeah, and cove it messed it up completely multiple

podcasts, but this guy, he's amazing because all this effort, all this editing, these, these stingers, all this work, it gets handed to me. It's not just got to press play. It's a labor of love. The only one who has it easier than me is cam. I just shows up late and spit. Hey, I can get a lot of work for this. Yeah. I got to come from the other part of the city. But just know that you are appreciate. Well, that means a lot kudos. Thank you.

You're the opposite of Bullard as far as I'm concerned. Thank you. There you go. All right. So a couple of things that we wanted to cover off here in lexicon corner. The one thing that that cam sort of tabled here was talking about the worst podcast, the, uh, the vehicle for swine swine. Yeah. Uh, and the, I think the fact that it took a year and God knows how many people, a small team of six people to put together, which, you know, completely antithetical to the details there. This is from a Julia Shapiro. Uh, Julie Shapiro, who are friend like 12,36, like a lot of things seem to know all about

or purported to know he was in. He was very embedded. It felt like in this, this whole universe. So Mark Wiseblood. And again, I, as I say all these words, I'm aware both wise blood and swagger hearing these words. Of course. Hello. But Mark Wiseblood does work with the Canadian Jewish news. Yeah. And I know that Ralph Ben-Murgy talked to Alan Zweig for the Canadian Jewish news. And I feel like maybe Wiseblood was involved in that. But that's unrelated to Canada land, the double double. Yeah. Which is like an attempt to crack the US market. I believe I talked about this with Katie Larr, Larr, I'll pass the baton back to Cam, but I think that's wise blots connection

is why I guess from this CJ and the Canadian Jewish news thing that was happened. I mean, this caught my eye because I saw this Julie Shapiro again, I think she's based in the Carolinas, but was brought in by candle andland slash double-double which I don't know if they ever announced like their official rebrand or is this sort of like an offshoot? Anyway, it does it doesn't matter. So it's like a double-double is to Google as Canada land is to alphabet. Yeah, so okay. So this caught my eye of a sucker Yeah, I didn't know who this was but she she's seems to be an American referencing, producing a podcast for candle land. And she was talking about to EP a podcast. Right.

I'm like, what is EP? What does that even mean? And then I started to the mat. Oh, it's like executive producer. She's an executive producer on this podcast. What is that? What does that entail? It's like, oh, that's so that's a very, and it's like,

it's totally cool. Anyway, it's just an interesting time for Candlelight because this was also happening concurrently with like a lot of flack over, you know, continued, I'll just say, difference of opinion in the Middle East and Jesse Brown getting some flack for it and people departing. It's a whole thing. Meanwhile, they're trying to launch this podcast. It sort of seemed like it seemed like it was kind of like a Mark Maron type thing. Meanwhile, they're trying to launch his pack podcast. It sort of seemed like it seemed like it was kind of like a Mark Maron type thing. Like my understanding is celebrity chats. Yes, it's supposed to be a celebrity podcast. Yeah,

I pause for her. Yeah, so like I'm too, I'm actually hyper. I'm fine. I'm struggling because I'm hyper aware. Alan's listening. Yeah, it's just throwing me on. I did listen to one episode. I listened to the Paul F. Tompkins episode because I really like Paul. I listened to it too. Yeah. Like that's a big talk to Katie about it. Yeah. Classic podcast guests. Like he's on a million podcasts. He's very funny. His wife was on as well. Totally. Uh, and, and I think it, it worked. I think it worked because Paul is a very polished podcast guest and he's very

funny. Yeah. Um, and I think Alan, I'm not quite sure. I didn't quite grasp the, the conceit of the podcast. Like what was, I think it was Alan maybe sort of being a bit of a fish out of water. Yeah. I think the, I think the shtick is he doesn't do homework. Am I right? Right. Right. He's just reacting to that moment where he doesn't know the name of the wife or whatever the wife or something. And then there's like, it's like, but you're like, that was a great guest and you rolled with it or whatever. Yeah. But I think he's like, he proudly doesn't do sure. Yeah. Yeah.

So he's the opposite of Brian line of hands. So if you're not doing a lot of homework, then, then I, I, I must ask why it takes a year to pull that together. And I don't know the mechanics of it. Obviously there's, there's a lot of, and also if it's a celebrity podcast and this is, this is in the Katie lore episode, so people can go there and hear, hear more discussion about this. Cause Katie lore, just to be clear, she produced it. So I'm sure you'll run down the cast of the six,

but Katie lore produced the show and her voice is all over the show. But I can tell you cause I learned about it when Katie lore was on Trump link. She's quit. Right. She doesn't want to work at Canada land. And if there is another season of podcast, it won't include Katie. Well, again, like it's, I feel like there's a lot of things happening with candle and, and Jesse at this time. And I don't know, like, I feel like regardless of what you think of Jesse as politics is vibe, whatever,

I feel like sometimes he doesn't get enough credit for actually creating like an original Canadian media brand and like giving people jobs too. I mean, like, you know, Jonathan Goldsby was there for many years. But it seems like it's like, yeah, he's, he's gone. And I feel like almost everyone's gone. And the whole thing seems to be unraveling a bit. And the, the guy in charge, whose name is eluding me right now, do you guys have the name in front of it? Is it like a rash or the guy and he's gone now, right? He, he's, he's, he's a Nell. He's leaving a lot. Black. Yes.

Alan Black. Alan Black. Yes. Alan's way. So he's one of those six people. Yeah. Black Chris, Chris, Chris Black. No Chris. That's a baseball guy. Baseball producer.

It's confusing. Right. Anyway, it seems like there's a lot of stuff. And again, I'm not saying it's good, bad or otherwise. I just thought how this product was positioned in the market was just, it was very different than what you do. So Mike or what Toronto legends is doing or Mark Maron's doing a legends. I, I will say this. Actually, what him, he's doing, you're doing is very similar. So that's a lot of similar.

Although all his are remotes. That's the big difference. I say no to the biggest. I said no to Oprah. I said no remote. A very famous man. I did say no to stink. I know. I wish I, I wish I'm like, I, I like seeing people. Okay. Just before we sound like we're pissing on other, I like Allen's, I like Allen's like a lot. I like him more than you do. Yeah. I'm sure you do. Cause you know, I know this, like I can't wait to have Alan back. He's a wonderful guest on the show. He's probably got, he, I know he finished a new film and I want to talk about that, but I really would like to talk about what went wrong with the worst podcast. Like a lot of publicity,

first celebrity podcast for this new double double. And by all accounts, it's done like six and out or whatever. Yeah. And I think for a celebrity podcast, I mean, Ron McLean was a guest, right? He was not going to crack the American off market with Ron McLean, right? Like Ron McLean is a Canadian famous guy, but no one knows him in the States, right? Just sort of looking at the lit. Yeah.

Like it's, I guess that's like every podcast. Like it's always a mixed bag of people. Yeah. Like they had, I don't know. Yeah. Like it's, I guess that's like every podcast. Like it's always a mixed bag of people. Yeah. Like they had, I don't know. Yeah. But if you took a year and you're going to link and do six episodes, I would think what's his name? Paul F. Tompkins. I was screwed up. Yes. I think all six would be more famous than Paul F. Tompkins. He would be like the ground floor. Right. And he's great on a Bojack horseman. A show I absolutely adore. Yeah. I do. He had a really good tweet. Well,

I'm sure he's got lots of great tweets, but he tweeted at the band TLC and he asked if they had loosened their position on scrubs and they replied back like, hell no. That is good. Amazing. So I will aim to get Zwig back in the basement to get some clarification because I've had Katie Lohr on and she basically like said, like I tapped out, I'm out and not, not because necessarily, well, who knows, but probably not because of Alan, but more of the no, my understanding. I mean, my feeling was like no bullshit on the FOTM cast episodes here. My feeling is that Katie and Alan got along fine. Yeah. Yeah.

Like I don't think they had an issue, but I think Katie has an issue with people maybe above Alan's pay grade. Yeah. Yeah. Like I don't think they had an issue. Yeah. But I think he has an issue with people maybe above Valens pay grade. Yeah. Yeah. And it seems like a lot going on there. And I feel like a lot of political considerations affecting the whole the whole thing. Canada land makes like a million times more money than, you know, TMDS makes like like they're they're a huge success story. Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, a lot of crowd funding there, but you know, the bigger they are, the harder they fall. How's your patron doing by the way? I forgot to mention it the last one thousand years. Yeah, maybe I think I still give you a couple bucks a month. You know what? Once in a while I have a fantasy that I give a shit about the patreon and

I actually that becomes the big thing. Oh, do you? I thought that was a bit so I don't know you actually have a patron. I never mentioned it. I never mentioned. Oh, wow. I think I think you've been kept secret. I think I'm embarrassed of it. Yeah. Like I'm embarrassed to ask listeners for money hat in hand. Why do you think I don't like I don't charge for TML? I wonder how much I've given you. I've been passively giving you like two dollars a month for it. So, so as you know, I'm on, I'm about to seven the seventeenth TM Alex event is on November thirty at the Palmis kitchen. I've never charged a penny for the ticket. There's no pay wall anyway. I feed and I give everyone beer and food every single time. I

never take a penny because I'm too. I don't want to be the guy who podcasts and then beg passes around a hat. You're the richest man in town. There you go. It's a wonderful life is one of my 10 favorite movies. I saw that I read that. Yeah, but that it wasn't on the original list. I hadn't seen it back then. Really? Yeah. This is a I got into as an oh so it's my it's a wonderful life story is that you have another 90 minutes. Oh, please. Yeah. Yeah. Can't wait. I knew about it from pop culture and I saw it parodied on the Simpsons and this thing I said oh there's this thing it's a wonderful life and I keep you know I

keep seeing parodies of it or references to it but I was I was in the last decade is the first time I sat down and watched it and I watched it and I fucking loved it and every Christmas now I watch it and cry openly weep watching it's a wonderful life and yeah I just re-ranked my favorite movies of all time yeah and it's a wonderful life is now in the top ten. It's crack top ten. What's it about? Oh my God, really? I'm dead serious like it's Jimmy Stewart, right? It's absolutely Jimmy Stewart. What's the one sentence summary of what it's all right? It's kind of so it's kind of like a Christmas care on

the sense. Okay, that man reconsider his life. Okay, yeah, I have the magic of Christmas. Yes, okay, this guy. Yeah, Gotcha. Okay. Let's move on. Like a guy finds out what would life be like if he didn't exist? Yeah. Okay. I actually often Christmas Carol is like a guy, a guy finds out like he's visited from the ghost of the past, right? You can't change the ghost of the present and then it goes to the future. You can change the future. You change the present and then it goes to the future. And you can change the future if you change the present. And he has this like a pithony, but he's also, I'm sort of a dick. Ebenezer screws. Super dick. Oh God. I like, I like that movie.

That guy would be an EOTM. He's an asshole. These ghosts give him a chance. So he doesn't end up like he's totally doing a the gang bang Photoshop if it existed. You know what I want to know first thing Dickens times, you know, I'm not convinced it ever happened. Like I know I didn't do it, but I'm not convinced it ever happened because the fearless right there, if things on the web like that, typically you can screen cap or a link or some evidence of it in the the aforementioned way back machine or something, I don't believe anyone ever Photoshop pictures of fearless

Fred's wife in the game. You know what else at the time I'm the only guy covering radio on my blog. Yeah, somebody would have told me sure it's so specific, though, like I feel like it was a mistake and like someone did it just wasn't you. I don't think Toronto who in Toronto would have any clue or give a shit. And that's the care of just thinking like it's a random list there. I don't know. Because people are assholes. I don't know.

I don't know if you have an entry on toronto, mike.com from november eight twenty eleven called fearless fred really, really hates me twenty eleven. Okay. Well, that's his appearance on humble and by the by the way, I think he's still on chorus. I feel like I saw he's all course. He's like he's he's like he's sort, yeah, for like across the network. So again, FOTM cast is where all the fucking tea gets spilled. But a valued FOTM tried to broker a peace summit between me and Fearless Fred to clear the air that Fred has the wrong guy. And Fred Kennedy wanted nothing to do with it.

He was going to die on the hill that I Photoshop pictures of his wife into gang bangs and shit, which never happened. Never happened. I've never photoshopped pictures of his wife into gang bangs and shit, which never happened, never happened. Oh, I've never photoshopped anyone into a gang bang. I've never had a photo of a gang bang in my photoshop. Could you, could you do it? If asked, it wouldn't look, it wouldn't look great because I'm a hack and photoshop, but I could technically do it. Well, that's all I need. I feel like you're a shit, disturbance some ways, but like not at all. And that like you're just like media gossip. Yeah, yeah, thank you. All right. I think I

think I'm not sure I have to review those words, whatever, whatever, moving on. All right. Okay, before you play the next clip, I have we're going to play a little game. Oh, whoa, I've been thinking about this a lot and one thing that that you do a lot. Mike Toronto Mike, there are pronounced names. Yeah, well, no, talking about this a lot and one thing that that you do a lot Mike Toronto Mike there are pronounced names. Well, no, that's not it. There are there are things that I call Toronto Mike triggers. Oh yeah, so an example of this is any time an FOTM name is mentioned and they're not

referred to as an FOTM, you'll sort of stop down and say that's FOTM so and so embarrassed by this. Yes, no, no, this is good. So I'm going to mention a few things and I want to see your reaction to them and see if you say the thing on my jukebox yeah a little bit. Okay, so this is like word association. Yeah a little bit. So I'll give you an easy one to start with someone on the show mentioned someone who has died. Shout out to Ridley Funeral. Exactly. Nailed it. Any kind of mistake or omission or lie? Hanson? Where are we? No, no, no, no. Think again. Mistake, omission, a fact check. Oh,

that's a Robert Lawson. Robert Lawson is in the bushes right now. Who's in the calendar. Yeah, it's right. Robert Lawson is in the bushes right now. Regardless of whether the guest, but not Cynthia Mulligan, not Robert Lawson. Right here. If I were to say the word, the name Steve Anthony to you. A couple of things for Steve Anthony. One is I would probably reference the coffee he made me try. Yes. Six sweeteners. Yeah. Okay. And I might, might reference a Mitsu and I might reference boy in the box. There you go. That's the one. Okay. We were, he's a trifecta. Yes, I was like working. I randomly tweeted or I, I used to, I don't want to fail this. Yeah. I reached out to camp for some help on this.

Okay. Okay. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. In the box. If I, if I were to mention young street or young and Bloor, what would you say to that? Would I reference the fact that I lived at 30? You absolutely would. I feel like it comes up certainly. Yeah. It's young and well, you could see young and Bloor from the balcony. So yeah, I forget. Did that the porn or not the porn place? This still there, still there, maybe in the grass, like the long rumored Apple store right there. Oh yeah. I think all the things that are happening at that corner. I saw saving private Ryan at that uptown theater. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. John never saw it. John Gallagher. I would say John Gallagher. Yes. Yes. You literally have a tech. Am I getting too predictable? Not at all. Not at all. These are, it's all endearing, wonderful stuff. Uh, David Marsden. Would I go like Mar would I do his invitation like Mars bar? Yes, yes, yes. Sometimes I'm not sure what I would do. This is a fun game and he was on yesterday. That's right. Boot sauce fuck boots on. Yes. Okay. The last one, what if they're lovely guys? Like what if I meet the boot sauce guys? I don't think that will be the case.

I don't think that will be the case given their their history. All right. This last one is a big one and I put together a little super cut for it Let's just play it and we can react afterwards. All right, let's do it. This song makes me cream my jeans Oh high school confidential rough trade Well, I just shout out to Carol Pope though who did tell us that she would she would cream her jeans Carol Pope when we get talking about the new album Yeah, I met Carol Pope and you know, Carol Pope was my question. Did you cream your jeans when you met Carol Pope? Well, I

wouldn't quite put it that way. Well, Carol Pope and Alan Frew were there. Obviously, did she cream her jeans? It was all contagious. her jeans. Oh, that was me. It was all contagious. She heard the way that Carol Pope. Oh, Carol Pope. So 4 PM today until until us actually, I was going to be on a zoom with Carol talking to her. She didn't show up. She heard she never talked shit about Murray and she might've liked that.

She did not show up for the zoom. Like that blog scheming bitch. Yeah. I would have claimed my jeans. It's more a camera. There was some camera there twice. You know, how can I, you're right. Any, any, you know what? I don't know if this is a part of my whole whatever, but, uh, I can't help myself and sometimes I hate myself for doing it and I'll listen back and I'll

be like, you don't have to point out. That's an FOTM like that's going to be fucking annoying. Like they're the texts, the actual text. You can even say I spelled like Mars bar. It's just like yesterday. I feel like this is why can't I just let the rep? Maybe this is something I need to work on for the I don't think so. If Carol Pope is referenced, I don't have to make a cream, your jeans joke. You don't have to, but why not? All right. I apologize to the listener. No, don't apologize for anything. We love you the way you are.

But I feel like there's also certain topics. Like if anyone references like the bare naked ladies going on speakers corner, what do you think of that? Mike the truth or I have to talk about printing the don't print the legend. Wasn't that great when they popped into speakers corner and they played be my yoko and oh, what do you think of that? Not fair because you know my triggers and you're just you're just going at them now not not nice. I feel like you're blushing so that's like triggers fun. How many episodes have completely ignored are there that there was like

twelve there off the internet see let's say you did that 1,565 times. Certain trends would. Of course. There you go. Arise and you'd become self-conscious. It's all a good thing. It's all part of what makes you who you are. The payments on trigger cut.

Do you know that that could be the thing? Oh, yeah. I know the haircut. Good jam. Okay. Good jam. All right. Let's move on to the next segment.

All right. Here we go. WikiLeaks favorite stinger. Well, I don't understand any of it. That is a, that's a Cardi B song. Okay. We're big Cardi B heads. Yeah. Yeah. Um, before we get into some, and I did a lot of Wikipedia, this entry. Yeah, you did. Mike, like I said,

I feel like this needs to be a separate podcast, but what's your level of like tech anxiety about AI and all this going forward? Again, this, I feel like you should have Jesse Hersh on to talk about this. No, I, I- Are you worried about all this crap? I'm not worried.

That's the wrong word, except I'm just passionately like against it. Like I feel like that, worried because I'm not worried that that's the wrong word, except I'm just passionately like against it. Like I feel like that, that the reason I dropped. So Jesse, this again, it's embargoed. So you have to come to the next FOTM cast for a deeper dive, but the AI episode of Toronto mic was created because Jesse Hirsch submitted the previous two FOTM casts to the Google AI and that's what spit out. And I shared it as I received it from Jesse Hirsch, a valued FOTM casts to the Google AI and that's what spit out and I shared it as I received it from Jesse Hirsch, a valued FOTM who's a, I appreciate his insights, but I listened to it and

just realized, oh my God, there's no humanity. There's who wants this? Who, who wants this to be the audio entertainment while they walk the dog or go for a bike ride or commute to work or just lounge around the kitchen making dinner. Who wants that? Yeah. Like give me humans. Give me Alan's why talking to anybody and I'll take it over the AI content that I was a, I threw into the, there will be no sequel that AI was a one-off, but Jesus, I will say in this sounds like it's gonna be a humble brag, but like I, I may be at this conference in a couple of, like a couple of months, I guess, but I'm going to be presenting about, um, how like AI is like transforming comms, but like it's real talk.

You guys will like the, the name of this, the ongoing history of AI is impact on the comms. Alan cross, but it's officially in, but you would be shocked how much we use it in the PR world to like write press releases and articles and whatnot. And then- Cause you're lazy, like you're lazy. But it's also like, if it's just sort of like,

I'll just call like basic content, it's like, why not let the computers write it? And- But isn't that the fun, maybe it's different with PR releases or whatever. But isn't that the you know, being able to creatively write something isn't that a fun part of the job? Yeah, but like if you're talking about like the corporate world, I mean, you know, we're not, you know, we're not Shakespeare here. We're just like trying to

get out information. And the part that I find really scary is my once a while I'll write the last like chat GPT like write an article about you know, TL Max coming up and tell me all the people who might be showing up and I'll pump it out and I'll be kind of right. But then remember, there's the ones that there's going to be like food trucks there. That's right. There's always a few clues. Yeah. Yeah. And that's like, Oh,

rumored attendees include George Strombolopoulos and Rick the temp Campanella. I would just like to know what like open AI, where did it crawl that? I think they, they call that hallucinations. Yeah. Yeah. Like it does seem like it's like, like a shroom, like, so it's, I don't know. Anyway, this is the segue into Wikipedia corner because I really worry.

And there's been some articles written about this recently that, that AI is going to totally wreck Wikipedia Wikipedia Right for like automated entries in it and I I've had my own encounters with the wiki police which we'll talk about in a second But I really worry about that the way back machine like really a lot of these things that I would consider like the bones of The internet even like what you're doing Toronto mic all of a sudden all your episodes are getting new because yeah If you're if you're listening on spotify, yeah Like all of a sudden all your episodes are getting new because of if you're, if you're listening on Spotify. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. Yep. Yep. And it's, you know, that AI episode that we're not talking about, uh,

it talked about calling rush home and referred to her as the voice of the Hamilton type. They're like, Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Do you want me to play this clip uh, clip? Yeah. Yeah. Speaking of AI, well, this is more like a voice, but I actually got AI actually. No, I, okay. So let me set this up. So this is an entry on the talk page of Wikipedia to a deleted entry for Harry Forbes. We talked about him. You talked about him with retro Ontario from someone named Bearcat. Shout out to David Wilcox. And this was this Wikipedia entry.

Bearcat is a Wikipedia editor. This is his explanation why the entire entry that I put on Wikipedia when Harry Forbes died didn't have an entry before I said, this is notable. I'm going to put this on. This was the explanation for why Bearcat deleted that entry on behalf of the Wikipedia website. Fascinating. Let's listen. Words by Bearcat, this biography of a recently deceased composer does not appear to meet the notability criteria set by Wikipedia. The primary claim to notability is his composition of the theme music for a television show, which could potentially be notable, but the article lacks reliable sourcing aside from a brief mention in a billboard obituary. That billboard article focuses on multiple recent deaths in music, rather than exclusively

on Harry Forbes. Otherwise, the references on this new article consist of unreliable sources such as IMDb and Discog's directory entries, a funeral home's paid inclusion death notice, a podcast called Toronto Mic'd, a WordPress blog, and a substack newsletter. These sources do not support a strong claim to notability. A Google search yielded no better results. Searching for Harry Forbes brought up unrelated results for individuals like a military veteran and a hockey coach, while queries using Harry Forbes Composer or Harry Forbes Magic Shadows returned no relevant information. At present, the subject lacks significant coverage and

reliable, independent sources, which is essential to establish notability per Wikipedia. Without more substantial evidence or verifiable references, this article does not meet the required notability standards. This Wikipedia entry is fucked. I threw in that last one. You threw in the last one. Okay. So basically we have to wait for Brad Wheeler to listen to the Harry Forbes retrospective with Conroy and try to make and write something for the Globe and Mail and then it will be

eligible for Wikipedia. But you can kind of read between the lines. So Toronto Mike doing a blog entry about this, Retro Ontario putting this on Instagram, an actual death notice on like a weird, like a funeral home site. But Billboard mentions it, but it mentioned home site. A funeral home. Yeah. But billboard mentions it, but it mentioned too many other dead people in this article.

Yeah. But like, for example, discogs doesn't matter. Like I linked to like discogs, I linked to some other like just past articles I'd mentioned like magic shadows. You need it, you know what, this is where we're suffering because the Toronto star used to have an entertainment section

and somebody would have wrote about Harry Forbes and there's no one there to write about Harry Forbes now. So Ed and I, Retro Ontario, we're picking up the slack because we know the star is not gonna do it. Brad Wheeler's just one man and we're gonna cover this, but we don't have the integrity with these bear cat fellows. We don't have the weight, the heft

to allow for a Wikipedia entry. And I'm not going to, because you can, you know, lobby for it. And given the amount of stuff I've updated Wikipedia based on Toronto Mike, I'm not going to die on the Harry Ford sale for this. It's fine. But I do find interesting, you know, these Wikipedia entries, it's a needless to say, it's a volunteer position. They're like just as nerdy as I am updating this. And I get there just, you know, they don't know this is they don't care.

And but they don't think that your blog, what Retro Ontario is doing is notable. I just find it interesting. And you're sharing because I need to know these things on the live stream. A couple of quick things. Andrew Ward says that David Wilcox's sister Victoria worked in the CBC building. Oh, he's cool as hell and smart as fuck. Well, okay, that's a quote, a victory in a fuck. So Jeremy's like fuck AI, but you know AI when you type it out looks like Al so some VP of sales asked if it was Al Grego that

were fucking, but we're not fucking Al Grego because Al Grego went to Winnipeg. Did you guys know this? He went to Winnipeg for season seven of yes, we are open, which is the award winning from an heiress. Al loves Winnipeg. I'll love Winnipeg. Al loves Winnipeg. Katrina Tessier. She owns Scout Coffee and Community. She owns the wave. She owns. Yeah, you know that that's can con can con. Yes. And then it ties into the late grade al mare. There you go. It was another

FOTM Ralph Alfonso. I think it's, it's, it's all about attic records, right? There you go. Katrina shared her journey of opening this unique Winnipeg cafe, providing a welcoming space for parents to relax while their children play. She shared this with Al because Al is so... Hey, not that kind of reliance. Thank you, it's Hollywood. So I want to urge people to listen to season seven of Yes, We Are Open.

And I want you two gentlemen to know, Menaris has sent over speakers for you. I'm going to drop that in my... Yeah. Yeah, you're going to dig that. I love a box. You're going to dig. And again, TMLX 16 is at GLB brew pub on Monday. So shout out to Great Lakes. We're enjoying it right now.

And of course, Palm pasta will host us on November 30th. Recycle my electronics dot CA. Of course, that's where you go. If you have old electronics, old cables, you put in your postal code and then you know where to drop that off. to Ridley Funeral Home. We've said it early and often. I recorded a new episode of Life's Undertaking with Brad Jones just before Tyler got here. We had to wait a long time for Cam to arrive.

He was stuck. He should have biked. All right. And while I was there, I give a shout to this book. I'm reading this. This is an excellent read about Elon Musk's first year of owning, owning the bird company. A very, very good read.

It's a bit of a thick read run by a couple of New York Times, but very well, very well researched and very accurate. Okay. Okay. Any more WikiLeaks? So the Harry Forbes was denied. That's awful news. That was unfortunate because like, yeah, it's just- Well, should have a wiki up. You should. He wrote the magic shadows theme song. I know it's notable, apparently not notable bear cat family

is not a retrospective and loved it and they've had a lovely note from his family. There you go. I wish they could also experience that on Wikipedia for you know, forever and ever, but apparently not know another thing I did put on Wikipedia, this original entry, I was shocked that this gentleman who also has left us way too early, didn't have an entry was Dallas good from the cities. I randomly noticed this amazing. Yeah. Tons of notable cause we had the Canadian press

and we had, yeah. Yeah. So Dallas good. And now as an entry, you didn't have it. Um, this, I think we have a couple of song clips. This is like something very small that even though this was not in this quarter when you had this guest on, but something I just learned about if you'd play these. You tell me when it faded down. Oh, did it not go to the right part in the song? Well, that's not how I operate, right? OK.

I produce an MP3 file. Can you forward to the, I think we'd call it the bridge? I would do anything for you. Stand by. Stand by. Stand by. Stand by. Stand by.

I know what's on your mind. You've got lots to lose. Well, two minutes and 11 seconds. You don't put 2-11? 2 to lose. Well, shoot it up to 11 seconds. You don't put 211 to 11. Yeah, do you want to hustle? OK, can kill it. OK, I beg your pardon.

So bring that down and play the second one. Now, do you want to hustle? Come to the RIMBA. So you found the sample. Yeah, I forget where I saw this. This is from a 1979 shout out, smashing pumpkins, comedy album from national Lampoon. The name of this album, that's not, that's not funny. That sick is the name of the album. The name of this track is disco hotline. Love that

stuff. So that like, do you want to hustle? Yeah. Um, is, is from the disco hotline. I guess it's like a fake hotline. You call it Barry Harris. Of course is the man behind a con can until you heard off the top of every FOTM that's right and I feel like I shared this in a little group chat and Rob Proust was familiar with this album. I think he said he's a fan of this album,

so I threw that in Wikipedia. That's on the con can good for you and then I'm going to go rapid fire here. OK, so a bunch of other random Wikipedia entry. I was hoping I would get the Mike Bullard update about his death, but I didn't because it wasn't quite confirmed. And again, as I learned that Tweet from trying to Mike is not a lot of right here, right.

But things are not enough. I was able to do the death entry on Wikipedia for someone. We lost a Can-con musician Devon Mr. Metro died in Q3. So I did update tell you both. I passionately wanted a Quality version of mr. Metro because I'd watched this video on munch music. I liked it very much. I Tried to get a hold of Devon. I tried different routes There was a remake like he remade it and that's available, but the actual original Mr Metro two thousand is a sketchy rip from a VHS cassette that you find on YouTube and that's the best we have and it's pretty potato quality

because and that was a big fucking song for what a rick played it a lot. Absolutely that and who says you can't say yo to a princess. I remember getting some don't give me matter one a quack crack crack. Yeah. You say, am I act crazy? But I don't smoke crack. Was it, was that him or was that there was a guy named shine head, shine it. That's shine head. Yeah. But it's the same era. Yeah. Yeah. I'm not going to touch those guys. But I promise not to sing that. Yeah. Shout out to for Ridley funeral. And we lost Devin badly. At least Wikipedia knows his data. I did try to get him on Toronto mic and get

that. I tried very hard. Yeah. And then rapid fire. I did try to get him on Toronto Mike didn't get that. I tried very hard. Yeah. And then rapid fire. I learned, uh, I think this is maybe this wasn't, maybe I only listened to it in Q3, but the shots of the, the video for the song, the river by the tea party were filled out by the old mill that I fucking passed way late today when I was coming out this way. Um, this was like a personal request. I enjoyed doing this.

Biff naked wanted removed from Wikipedia. She was she was not in an offspring video for the song. The kids aren't all. Oh yeah. Yeah. Was erroneous on her. So even Bearcat, you do your job. In real time, as she was telling me about this being incorrect on Wiki, I called out Rosie great Tio and said, we have mop up and I go done within an within an hour. That's that's called service. Get that shit out of here. That's Ian service. Yeah okay I mentioned Bob Cajun based on a Jeremy Hopkins visit that you know the location of that house. I'm sure it's getting flooded with you know curious drive-bys now. Especially today.

Yeah um but I think I doubled the size of the satellite entry based on your episode with Fergus. So rich in information. Sometimes you just gotta get somebody like him in the basement to answer your questions and they're, they're happy to share. When you do, I don't know if either of you have got to the David Marsden episode yet, but there's a lot of new info that we'll be taking notes for that next FOTM and two more. I don't remember why this came up, but Fergie Oliver's correct birthday, Oliver, Oliver, sorry. Why, why was this a discussion point?

I don't know. Did just, I don't know. Like what's his birthday? I didn't think he was 80. And then I explained like he could hear in our episode, he talks about when he turned 80. Yeah. Yeah. So he fixed his birthday and last but not least, this was not even mentioned by just put it a rusty one of our favorite bands here. They played snow job 97 on much music. Very good. I had a lot. And we close every episode of FOTM cast with a little rest. Yeah. So that those are just a few of the Wikipedia.

Rosie great. Tio. Yeah. I should say it does yeoman work. Yeah. Some people in the summer, they go to cottage, they go to Europe. I'm fucking sitting updating Wikipedia. Thank you. Thank you. So someone's got to do it. You ready for the penultimate segment? Do it the law breaking the law breaking the law breaking the law breaking the law breaking the law corrections fact checks. Let's get into it. Is that is that landing by the way? Is that yeah? Okay, good love it. This is what judas pre some very important fact checks in the Harry Forbes app retro Ontario stated that feel flows by the beach boys was on the

vanilla sky soundtrack. It was not okay. It was on the almost famous so all right wrong Cameron Crowe retro Ontario. No doubt regrets the air. He's been wrong about a couple of things. Yeah, that's okay. He does. He does good work. They're very different movies. Yes. Yes. Very different. Good movie. I really liked Vanilla Sky. I wasn't a big fan.

The, at least at the time, Times Square for that scene. Tech support. I feel like vanilla. That's the guy from shine and a high shine. You remember shine about? Oh yeah. Yes. Yeah.

Like the piano product was like, yeah. Jeffrey rush. Jeffrey rush, but the younger version of Jeffrey rush, who I thought did a great job is that the tech support guy in the right. Right. Yes. I feel like I get vanilla sky in the gym carry whatever the spotless mind, right?

And like eternal sunshine is high brow mainstream stuff. Yeah. So cam you've seen almost famous and vanilla sky, but not Jerry Maguire. That's right. Okay. So Cam, you've seen almost famous and vanilla sky, but not Jerry Maguire. That's right. So you need to fill out your camera. Have you seen fast times at Ridgemont High? Not, not in its entirety.

No, it's fucking great. It is good. One of the first DVDs they bought. Like the first Cameron Crowe movie or? Or I don't know. But he wrote, he went on a cover. That's right. Oh yeah.

Cause it's based on like a rolling stone. He didn't direct it though. No, that was Amy Heckerlin. Amy Heckerlin, who did Clueless. It's just fantastic. I was going to say Wayne's World. Wayne's World was another woman who will come to me in a minute, but.

You're a robot, anyway. Jeff Spicoli played by Sean Penn. Sean Penn. Academy Award winner, FOTM Sean Penn. Yeah, Milk, right? He was good in Milk, actually. But, uh, he was great in Milk. But, uh, he was great as Jess Spicoli. That character, like that persona, which we've seen in a hundred movies now, I think it was invented for Fast Time. Archetype. Yeah. That, like, that surfer dude. Snarly dude, yeah.

Oh, Mr. Hanson, it's our time. Mr. Hanson. Spicoli's great. Yeah. In the Gary Chow and episode, Mike stated that Hulk Hogan's real name was Terry Balboa right when in fact it is Terry Bullion. Oh no, oh no. He also said in that he's in a rocky three and then right. You also said in that episode, so rocky yeah yeah thunder lips. He's done. Yes, yeah. You also said in that episode, so rocky yeah yeah thunder lips in three. He's done. Yes, yeah. You also said in that episode that Fergie alvers wife's name was Catherine Swift when I know in fact it is Catherine

swing. You're like you regret the errors you're slipping. No fuck that. I'm happy. I made those in spend a bit less time on your fucking kayak and more in your fucking high and more wow. I don't admit to go. Yeah, all right kill it. No, I let it go and let it go. Now that you finally faded out these stingers finally I did it last episode to get out of here. He's

two for three. Those are very good batting. I those. Those are bad. You know what those little mess ups like calling them Terry Bell Boa and I'm clearly thinking about rocky bell, but Terry, but those just I think they're charming. Am I wrong? I don't disagree, but they're they need to be called out that that one's cute. Yeah. All right. Very good. I think that one's it's very obvious. How come I still have a clip because you haven't called for it yet? I think one yeah, it's coming up in

the next segment along. I've got this is going to be the longest FOTM cast ever and I blame Bullard for that. Yeah, there was a lot of a bullet chat. All right, hit the next stinger. All right, here we go. In the world is stew stone. All right, so we don't have a where is stew clip necessarily this week, because I think I have well, we do. It's just not stew. Is that your clip just you can play the clip okay, but then I got to play stew sure. Oh, you do have a stoop. Yeah. Oh wonderful. Okay. My job. Yeah, I'm glad

you I play both. I'm playing in tires. This is great. No, let me play. Can I play which one you want first to or your you know what dealer choice surprises? All right, here's what Tyler sent me with you to and you always have a quality product and I remember when I first met you or a ton of talent and a ton of enthusiasm. I was there. She was how are you going to get where you wanted to be and I recall it in career early on I had the enthusiasm zero talent but I way to make it about you microphone didn't know what to do but he had those blue eyes so that's Pearson you had and congratulations to both of you for being thank you I got a clue in what's going on okay yes I Yes, I was there. This was at the

Cineplex on for the premiere of don't F with goes and so no so no Cocos and Cofras Square. Yeah. Same right adjacent. It's actually called young done. That's in a plan. I'm allowed to say the D word. I don't think so. Okay. Geez. All right. So glad you pulled that clip. Did you record that cam? I recorded. Yeah, I guess technically not in Q3 though, just to be that guy. No, but you know, I think it's important. That's where he was last week.

Totally. Where is he now? Where is he now? Let's listen. Hello, Mike. Hello. FOTM. You might be wondering where in the world is Stu or you might not be, or you might be

wondering who the hell is Stu? Or you might not be. Or you might be wondering who the hell is Stu. This is FOTM and Toronto Mike Hall of Famer Stu Stone, a friend of the FOSS is out there. And I first off want to say thank you to Mike and Cam and some of the other surprise FOTMs that showed up at the Toronto premiere screening of our new movie, Don't F with Ghosts. It was really great to share that experience with you and really, it was really, really, truly a special night for me in a really fun movie to watch with a packed house like that.

So thank you first off for that. But where am I, you might be wondering. I am on the precipice of leaving for 30 days to film the end, the final leg of the sixth season of Dark Side of the Ring. Where will I be? I will be in states like Alabama, Georgia, Kentucky, Florida, Nevada, Michigan, and maybe even New York. I guess I'll find out. But I will be everywhere, but you know where I will really be?

I will be thinking about you guys and how you could watch the new movie, Don't Have Foot Ghosts, which will be available on demand on october the thirty first halloween that is when it will be available october the thirty first on demand and uh... then in january not until january will it be on hollywood suite okay first it's an on demand exclusive window that the cable comes to lose it before it goes to uh... hollywood suite but it will go to hollywood suite and you will be able to watch it before it goes to Hollywood Suite, but it will go to Hollywood Suite

and you will be able to watch it there eventually. I have taken up so much of your guys' time, but I do wanna say thank you for the love, and I do plan on coming back to the basement to discuss all of the adventures and misadventures that I've been having and catch up with you, Mike. Hopefully you can pencil me in for November. I'll see you then. Love you man.

Stu Stone everybody. Amazing. Some drama, some news there. Yeah. That's fantastic. You know Cam brought Stu into my life. Cam invited himself on Toronto Mike. I liked him. He's like, you got to talk to my high school friend, Stu Stone. And he just said a few things. I don't know, Magic School Bus and My Pet Monster, Donnie Darko. And I'm like, I'll talk to that guy and the rest is history. I feel like he might've been one of your first guests where I have no idea, but I want to learn

this world. Cause I feel like you've had a lot. I didn't know the name, but you dropped some big titles. Yeah. Yeah. Where someone recommends, it's like, you got to talk to this. Here's like, yeah, drop a couple of things, check out these links. And you're like, I Yeah. Yeah. Where someone recommends it's like, you got to talk to this. Here's like, yeah, drop a couple of things, check out these links and you're like, I'm all in no stu stone, no Jack rabbit. Exactly. Yeah. And that's a wrap, right? Any final thoughts here? That's the Q three of 2024 wrapped up. I got to thank you again, Tyler, my pleasure. You just kicked ass again. I don't know. We couldn't do about you, but cam, I don't want to undersell your contribution. You did more effort for this episode of FOTM cast than the first two combined. That's,

that's not saying much, but always, always good to be back and always good to look back to, um, even in a quiet quarter for you, Mike, with a few less episodes still quiet, no shortage of things to talk about. I always how long were the first two FOTM cast? You have any clue? I think they're both just under two hours. Okay, we killed that where we long as this, I think it's because we had deaths like Bill Vigors, we had a lot.

We're about two and a half hours. Whoa. Okay. It's good. Up. I say to your point, like anyone who's listening, like two and a half hours. Whoa. Yeah. It's good app. I say to your point, like anyone who's listening, like two and a half hours is nothing. If you're listening in the first place to this.

Like if you were drawn into an FOTM cast, you'd be disappointed it's so short. Yeah, exactly. Like hook it to your veins. I know what that feeling, right? Like it's like, I love this. I crave this. Yeah.

I wish there was more of this. I want to swim in this. Yeah. This is like citations. This is footnotes. This is, you know, this, this is filling, filling in all those like nooks and crannies of the Toronto Mike universe. How's that? Perfect. And that brings us to the end of our 1,566th show. Go to torontomike.com to learn more. I'm all over the place at Toronto Mike cam.

I don't know. What is your social media place or you're just like lying low. What's going on? Yeah, I don't know. Just if you have my phone number, text me, tune in for the next FOTM cast much love to all who made this possible. That's Great Lakes Brewery, Palm Opasta, RecycleMyElectronics.ca, Raymond James Canada, Minaris, and Ridley Funeral Home. Tomorrow, I record episode 1567

because tomorrow, Stephen Brunt visits me. All right. Stephen Brunt. What do you think about that cam? You can't fall asleep. No, he's still there. Okay, Stephen Brunt, we're going to talk sports, but in front, we're going to talk music, the fish murder is Bobcat with them. See you all then I'm so tired of being with you you