Toronto Mike'd: The Official Toronto Mike Podcast - FOTMCast: Toronto Mike'd Podcast Episode 1986

Episode Date: October 3, 2026

In this 1986th episode of Toronto Mike'd and 11th FOTMCast, Mike chats with Cam Gordon and Tyler Campbell about everything that's happened in the TMU (Toronto Mike'd Universe) over the past quarter. This episode is for realheads only!A version of this podcast without programmatic ads is available to all Toronto Mike'd Patrons at patreon.com/torontomike.Toronto Mike'd, an award-winning podcast, is proudly brought to you by Great Lakes Brewery, Palma Pasta, Ridley Funeral Home, Nick Ainis, and RecycleMyElectronics.ca.If you would like to support the show, we do have partner opportunities available. Please email Toronto Mike at [e-mail]. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

I'm Lauren Honakman, lawyer and former City TV's legal specialist. The following episode of F-O-T-M cast is intended for real heads only. If you're not deeply immersed in the TMU, a devout F-O-TM, do not listen. I'm not kidding. Stop playing this episode. Now! Somehow this is my... A little flat on innocence, but other than that, it was great.

We'll go again, huh? One more time. Somehow are. That's my son. I have an offer you can't refuse. We need you in New York City. Oh, welcome to episode. Oh, I don't talk. We'll fix that in post. Combing the depths of the TMU for a quarterly review of fact checks, figures, and phrases that you didn't know you needed. It's FOTM cast. With your hosts, Toronto Mike.

Cam Gordon and Tyler Campbell. Welcome to episode 1,987, 1987, the year David Marsden ceased being the program director at CFNY. What else happened that year? Probably a few other things. I forget. Ger Joyce knows. And if you know, you know. Okay.

It's episode 1987 of Toronto Mikeed. An award-winning podcast proudly brought to you by Great Lakes Brewery. Order online at Great Lakes Beer.com for free local home delivery in the GTA. Palma Pasta! Enjoy the taste of fresh. Homemade Italian pasta and entrees from Palma Pasta in Mississauga and Oakville. Visit palma Pasta.com for more. Fusion Corpso Nick Aienis.

He's the host of Building Toronto Skyline and Mike and Nick. Two podcasts we recorded early this morning. So fresh episodes of both in your podcast. podcast feed. Recycle MyElectronics.ca.C.A. Safe. Secure recycling for residents, businesses, and the environment. Ready to recycle? Bring it! And Ridley Funeral Home. Pillars of the community since 1921. Joining me today for this 11th episode of FOTM cast, it is the VP of Sales. Tyler Campbell. Amen.

And the author of Track Changes. Cameron Gordon. Thank you. Thank you, Michael. I was trying to guess what song, because I don't listen to the opening theme. Tyler sends an MP3. I load it up,

and then I don't know what it's going to be until I hear it. But I was trying to guess. You know what? I was incorrect in my guess. This is a great choice, and we'll explain why in a moment. Sure.

Although the real heads who are listening to FOTM cast know exactly why. I were Brad Bradford endorsements. That's right. Right. Precisely. More more than that in a bit.

Yes. I thought it might be, possibly, it might be, and I hope I get her name right. Biaabadubi. Oh, yeah, yeah. Coffee for your head. Yeah, with Palfoo. Palfu. Son of.

Do you know who? Faber Drive guy. Dave Faber. Dave Faber. Who made his Toronto Mike debut earlier this week. Paul Faberman. Paul him, Barber. DJ Fabzy.

You know what? I'm going to say it. This is a fantastic song. It's a great song. I never get sick of hearing. It reminds you so much of Babel O'Reilly, too. Oh, yeah. I feel because it has that, dude, like very iconic.

Anthemic, you might say. Yeah. This one's more reggae. There is that reggae section. Right here, right here. Great song. Get that reggae out of here. It's no Catherine Weal, but it'll do.

It's no rap segment on Roll the Bones. Rapping skeleton. Why does it happen? Because it happens. Roll the bones. That's a guilty pleasure. I was big on the much music when they played the hell at Roll the Bones. Oh, sure.

Good song. And I had that rap memorized. Yeah, Roll the Bones. Why are we here? Action. Because we're here. Roll the bones. Roll the bones.

You know what that means? It means rolling dice. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. It's like a gambling analogy. Yeah. Gentlemen, let's go around the horn here. Okay. Vented sports gambling.

Well, that's P-Ros. Cam, we'll start with you. Sure. How the hell are you doing? I'm doing pretty good. As you know, I had a bit of... No, no, no. Superman does good. You're doing well.

I'm doing well, yeah. I'm still recovering from this bike accident. I had three weeks ago today. Can you tell us, because, I mean, you told us privately, but tell the general public. What are you talking about? Yeah, there's some good through lines for the Toronto Mike. So I was biking down to... Queen Street to go to the Kim Gordon

concert. Okay, no relation. No, and it was annoying because I bought these tickets pretty last minute, but I'm like, you know, she's not getting a younger. I haven't seen her in many, many years. I'm just going to get tickets and I'm biking down by where I feel like I'll docks myself where I live, but whatever. Nobody's going to knock on your fucking door and say,

if the track changes guy here? Co-hosts of FOTMCA. He didn't verify my fucking Twitter account back in 2009. I'm going down that alley where the left field brewery in the east end is, and there was a speed bump that I didn't see because it was dark, and I fell sideways and fell really hard on my knee. So right on the kneecap?

Because I got to say, I fall, but it's usually on my left side. I have fallen to my left side like three times in the past three months. I witnessed one of those falls. Because my bike was a fixie for one day, and never again. It was a suicide mission. But tell us, it hit your kneecap? Yeah, it's sort of like, yes, I have a kneecap, but then also my left elbow got.

pretty scraped up. Right. But no bones or ligaments or torrent. You just got like a road rash. I did not roll the bones. But I was pretty messed up. A very nice like a grocer down on Gerard or no,

and Queen helped me. So I did actually get into the venue and last about five minutes. I'm like, I got to get out of here. But I think I told you this, Mike. I did see a celebrity setting while I was there.

Jen Ag, the chef. Right. She was at the Kim Gordon. Are you sure this is a celebrity? Well, I could have been hallucinating. I'm not sure who that is.

Really? Jenne. Famous restaurant tour. See, I don't think, I think restaurant tours, you're in a blind spot to me. Free Gardens,

uh, Black Hoof. Yeah, she had a book came out. Yeah. She had another book coming out. You guys are always educating me. So I'm learning a lot here.

Anyway, better be beyond that. That's your celebrity signing. Because last night, Tyler and I saw, Tyler and I saw Erica M. At the John Cleese, Holy Grail thing.

Interesting. How was, how was that? Well, let me just say, I offered, I had an extra ticket for one of you two, and I didn't care which one took it.

And you said, and it's so appropriate. I don't do comedies. No, I don't. I don't watch movies. I don't. Well, you don't watch comedies, that's for sure. There's nothing funny about Cam Gordon.

I like to laugh. I just don't like, oh, it's a comedy movie. It's a stand-up comedies. You don't need that. You don't want to be told when to laugh. So I was a little late because it was curriculum night and I had to meet the teachers at the school.

So I was. And then I biked from the school to the winter guarded theater and I did phone Tyler from outside the venue. I didn't think I was that late, to be honest. Like, I really hauled ass. And then he texted me to say, oh, it's already started. So I was a little late. And that was the first time I saw that film, The Holy Grail. What's it called Monty Python and the Holy Grail? What do you think, Tyler? And then I'll tell you what I thought. Yeah, I mean, it doesn't hold up, I think, as well as maybe you might want it to. Like, you know, there's moments in it. But we were chatting about this earlier. Like, it's kind of a more of

a disconnected, I mean, there is a sort of narrative through line, but it's a bit of a disconnected group of sketches, some of which are more successful than others. Life of Brian, even John Cleese says, Life of Brian is a better movie. Please didn't seem to like this movie we watched last night. When did it come in? Like what year? It's 50th anniversary, so I guess 50 years ago. Okay, so early. But I will say, Cleese, I thought was delightful that he was, he was funny and he was just the right amount of cranky. Yeah, he gave people shit. Great stories. Yeah, there's a big Q&A at the end. And, you know,

audience Q&A is always a disaster because people have, you know, need to tell everyone their life story. More of a comment than a question. And he just kind of shut that down. He was like, this is boring. Like, get on with your question. Yeah. Also, he can never hear the questions as they were asked. So FOTM, Richard Krause would like repeat them in different language.

So Cleese could hear them and then respond. Yeah. So Richard Coase is in, he's wearing a suit sitting at this table with John Cleese. He was like the John Cleese whisperer. I'm disappointed. I didn't get that gig. Yeah. What was the crowd like?

What would you say the average attending was? Older than us, right? Yeah, we were on the bottom end of the age. But the only thing, I heard James Edgar, who is a beloved FOTM and comes to many an event. I heard he was in the room. I didn't see him. But the only FOTM I spotted other than Richard Krause and John Cleese was Erica M. I feel like you saw her a few times in recent weeks.

I saw him at the David Kynes Breakfast, and I saw it at the Neil Peart documentary at Tiff, the premier. Of course, that makes sense. Yeah, I've seen a lot of Erica M lately, actually. So, yeah, she's stalking me. But gentlemen, we had a great loss in the TMU, the Toronto Magnet. If I'm stepping on your toes, Tyler, let me know. No, no, no, please. Sometimes on my own show, I actually do start to drive it or whatever.

We lost a legend, somebody who had visited this basement multiple times. It's actually the first time there was a passing of an FOTM who had been in the basement more than one time. Do you know that? This is the first time. Okay, that makes sense. Almost 2,000 episodes, Cam, you're underwhelmed by this. No, no, I'm not, I'm whelmed. Whelmed the fuck up, okay?

Multiple visits to the basement is no longer a preventative measure for death. Yeah. Could we listen to three minutes? And I know that's asking a lot, but some of this is an MP who was a name I didn't know at the time, but we would come to know quite well. But this is from January 15, 2015, so we're going back over 11 years ago. this is the first time David Marsden

visited this TMDS studio and we had the longest, most delightful, deep dive conversation. Here's three minutes, gentlemen. All right, got a piece of audio again.

And this time, it's, of all places. You're trying to make me weep again. But this one, I'm sure you've heard recently.

That's the difference. That's okay. If I had known that, it would have had more clips. I'm going to play. This was actually from the House of Commerce, of all places.

Oh, my God. I'll tell you the story about this after you play it. Very good. Okay, let me play it, and then I want to hear the story. Mr. Speaker, I rise in this House of Commons today to mark the end of an era in radio broadcasting in the Durham region and indeed across Canada, Mr. Speaker. This weekend will feature the final episodes of the Marsden Theater

hosted by legendary broadcaster David Marston, the Mars Bar. He has been a pioneer in radio broadcasting. broadcasting in Canada, starting in the 1970s and 80s with the spirit of radio at CFNY in Toronto. He was an early champion for Canadian music in Canada, Mr. Speaker, including helping create the Kasby Awards, Canadian artists selected by you. And for the last decade at 94-9, The Rock in Oshawa, he's hosted one of the final live-to-air radio programs in North America, Mr. Speaker. So I want to thank David Marston for being a decades of long champion of Canadian music.

I want to thank him for his eclectic mix of music, his cheeky humor. David, please stay curious and know that all of us will be listening this weekend. Thank you. I had no idea that was coming. I think I got out of bed around noon, and

I got a cup of coffee, and I had it to my computer to check Facebook and my Mars and Global, where there's a floor, It's my normal morning routine. And when I opened up Facebook, the video was staring me in the face, and I had no idea what it was. And so I clicked play, and that came out. It was...

Quite the honor. That's the House of Commons, for goodness sakes. It was... How can I say this? I thought to myself, how do I live up to that? This gentleman who I didn't know, who is now the minister, a minister, had stood up in the House of Commons.

And I really did wonder, how do I live up to that? It was amazing. Sorry. The thing is, you have lived up to that. This is, yeah, I mean, I don't use the word legend for every guest who comes on this show, but it was quite a moment, I must tell you. There's a few minutes of David Marston's first visit to the basement studio here. What a delightful convo I revisited it. I'll actually have my bike ride to TMLX23, which we'll talk about shortly.

But I thought the whole thing, I thought he was fantastic in that episode 106 of Toronto Mic. It's amazing someone with that resume is so almost can't understand it's like why wouldn't your name be mentioned in that situation like to me it's like yeah that sounds about right you know he did a lot he had a long and storied career just like very humble and yeah I don't know it really puts sort of the documentary in perspective

and a bunch of things and it's interesting too because I think for the three of us David Marston's generation of safe and why wasn't our generation of that station yet His presence was clearly loomed, incredibly large. Yeah, all over it. Yeah, and just incredible the length of career, the generations he spanned.

Like when the CFNY doc was on TVO, I watched it. And my dad happened to come in the room. And just as one of the video clips of Marsden as a host for, I think when he maybe was on Chum, in the, I guess, 50s or... No, he was never on show in the 50s. He was on CKEY. CKEY.

Dave Mickey. Thank you. Yes, when he was Dave Mickey. And my dad was like, oh, yeah, I remember him. Like, you know, he spanned and my, you know, my dad is the same age as Marsford. Right. So he spanned generations and just an absolute legend. And I was always struck by how giving he was with you and how...

He seemed to like me. He liked you. and was very, you know, he, I think, appreciated your interest in his career and especially in what he'd done at CFNY. So a huge loss, no doubt. And, you know, the, the radio that we enjoyed as we were coming up was, was really patterned and created in large part by him. Yeah. I think the fact he kept doing a version of the spirit of radio well into the 2000s was kind of a testament. He was doing it until he died because NY the Spirit was a streaming service that he co-created.

And that I believe it's still going. Yeah. I was going to say, you know, myself never miss an opportunity to plug my book. But there's a section in the book about his involvement with iceberg media and the virtually Canadian broadcast network, these early online radio stations. Right. He was leading edge. He was right there. Like, it's incredible.

He was there. The sock ups in the 60s. It was real, almost like a, I don't want to say, like a forest guy. jump character, but like, this guy saw some things. I know what you mean, right? Because he had that CKEY, Dave Mickey persona that was super popular,

right? Marshall McClellan wrote about this guy in his books. And then you had this reemergence of this David Marsden figure who was nothing really like Dave Mickey. And he was on Chum, but Chum FM, so when it was album-oriented stuff in the 70s. And then you have this CFNY, David Marsden,

and he's appointed program directly. He doesn't come there as a program director. He's just a guy on the air, but then he's in the right place at the right time. And if you listen to episode 102, 1, I'm going to play a clip from it at a moment. You'll learn the owners had legal issues,

and there's a whole shitstorm and David Marzing's like, hey, you've been around. You're the guy from Chum FM. You're now the program director. And then Marsden gave his DJs all this, like, freedom. And I've talked to so many of them, including people like Geetz Romo or Mike Stafford or Fred Patterson or Scott Turner or May Potts.

And I mean, these are, that's three different facets of his career that kind of put him in the rock and roll Hall of fame. No. Literally. Like everyone on that station, like to say nothing of Alan Cross, Brother Bill, Martin Street. Like, they all owe a lot to his efforts with that station. And we're still talking about that stupid station today, right? I know. I know.

And PBS, I guess, just got the doc. Right. Much discussed on Toronto Mike to that documentary here. Okay. So I pulled that three minutes because. David, it was the second time in that chat, he cried because he had that call to arms when he said, the station is going down, you got to write your,

call, I was going to say, write your congressman, write your MP, your MPP, I don't know, he wanted you to write everybody, write the media, and then he says, I played it for him, and he claims he hasn't heard it since he said it, so he claimed, and it was emotional for him to hear it. But I highly, and I will say, you don't have to go hunting for episode 106,

because it is also episode 1982, where I add a little context to the top. So we lost a good. I'm going to play just a couple more clips here. Here's a clip from that same visit in January 2015. When you can see, he's a DJ through and through, and I was so green at this, man. He's such a rookie.

He's hitting the post on the song you just played, Tyler, or you just had me play. And I'm too stupid to get out of the way. I listen to him like, oh, now I know what he was doing, and I'm the idiot who messed it up. but here is another 38 seconds. Well, I certainly understand that it's a business. I mean, that's what it is.

However, I'm of the opinion that if you have the right people on the radio, on the air, doing the right thing, then you're going to win. I believe that if you give the people what they want, they'll come and listen. I've always believed that. I still do. Spirit of radio by Rush. Yes. Shut up, Mike.

I was trying to hit a post there for you. You know what? I was trying to be quiet. I was just shut up, Mike, because this is like, this is amazing. I said shut up, Mike. Again, I'm consistent. Anyway, yeah, I listen back to that and I have that moment of like,

Mike, shut up. He's doing something there. Get out of the way. How many times was he on this show? Oh, well, he gave me the audio from his library presentation at the resource library. And he said, can you please host this as an episode of Toronto Mike? So I wasn't actually, that was a piece of audio from him. He was on episode 102.1, which I'll play a clip from in a minute.

He was that first time in 2015. And then he came back a few years ago to talk about James Baby Scott to help solve the riddle of his name. That was quite a like, like, Mickey and Marsden and Foster home name and maiden name of birth mother. and there was a whole, and there was another David Marston who was James Baby Scott. So we had to kind of unravel that mystery. That's when he... Yeah, that's when he...

That's like the COVID hair. He had incredible hair. I have his episode count as six. What else you got there? Well, I don't know why I'd have to go on. Oh, you know what? There's a Martin Street pretty early in the Toronto Mike run. I did a tribute to Martin Street where I talked to people like

Brother Bill and Captain Phil Evans, Alan Cross, and Fred Patterson. And yes, I did talk to the man who hired him at CFNY, David Marzen, so that was a remote he did. But let me play something from episode 102.1. First, I'm cracking open my Great Lakes beer, because we're going to do a little toast to Mars bar. I'll take it. I'll just play the audio file if you can because you couldn't wait.

Okay. So, here's what we'll do. I'll play this couple of minutes here. This is Marsden telling me about visiting CFNY in Brampton for the very first time. This is part of episode 102.1. And another big recommend from me, because he's a part of it, but everybody's there. And I think, well, almost everybody. I think Brother Bill had to work or something like that.

But check out episode 102.1. Here's two minutes from that. And then we'll toast Mars bar. The first, I had just come from Trump FM. The first day I walked into the little yellow house up in Branton there, it was the most filthy place on Earth. It was, oh my God. And every chair only had three legs.

It was unbelievable. It was totally unbelievable. And I thought, should I just turn around and go home? Because this doesn't look good. And then I went upstairs to the control room. The control room was like this little miniature room with a ceiling that if you were over six feet, you had to bend down. And it had an old gates board there from, I don't know, the 1800s. And I decided to stay.

for some reason, I don't know why, because I thought this is really ridiculous. And the albums were kept just outside the studio. And there was really nobody in the place. There was a wonderful woman behind the desk who kind of apologized for the dirt. One night, the first year or so that I was on the air, the turntables were back here on my left side. There were only two of them. And all of a sudden, one turnpables.

table is going to cut in it's, and I'm thinking, oh, it's going to skip in the vinyl. And in those days, we used to have distilled water, and you put a little bit of distilled water on the final, and the needle would hydroplane over the skip. And I turned around to put the water on. There was a mouse on the turntable. And every time it went around, it hit the arm, and the arm would jump up, and then it would going up. I just didn't know what did. I just freaked out. I mean, I'm not a big follower for mice, no matter of, even if my name did, it would have to be Mickey. But that was,

that was how it all began for me. It was just crazy. There you go, David Marsden's first visit to see it, and why. The rest is history. All right, gentlemen, we got our Grey Lakes beer to David Marsden. Yeah, Mars bar. To a real one. You could tell a great story. He had great stories to tell, and let's not bury the lead. The man loved Toronto Mike, okay? One of his greatest attributes. All that matters.

Lived a nice long life. I can't afford to lose listeners. Come on, David. And I'll say, even though when I had Kathy on the show, did you guys ever hear... Kathy Young? Kathy Young, sorry, I should be...

How many Kathy Young was on recently, and we talked about, because she knew David Marsden, and I had learned from Facebook that David Marston had a bad fall and he was in the hospital. But I honestly was shocked. I was still.

still shocked to wake up on Monday morning and learn he actually had passed away. Yeah. He just seemed so young at heart. Yeah. Yeah. The fall was mentioned. Alan Cross was on the Scott Turner and Ivar Hamilton podcast, and they were sort of alluding to it. So, yeah, I don't know.

What's the saying he's got his wings? Well, that's okay. So I did explain that with Nico Stratus. And that episode is not from this quarter that just passed. Embargo. Embargo. We'll talk about Nico Stratus in January. Sure.

Great up. Don't forget, guys. Thank you. Thank you. I thought it was great, too. Even though she didn't visit the basement. That's okay. She had mobility issues.

But we talked about this. David Marsden said that as a phrase all the time to me when he'd come on and talk about somebody who had passed away. And Don Burns, for example, he put on his wings. Or we talk about Martin Streak. And he said, Martin Streak put on his wings. So that's like a tribute, a subtle tribute to David Marsden that I use. that phrase with his passing.

Yeah. Because I think why, Zed Gord thought I had found religion. Yeah. Kind of a cherub. Okay, so I can't, am I driving this bus? Because I have a couple of notes,

but I don't want to steal your thunder. So we're, it's a bit of a free play right now because we're still in the early, you know, so can I bring up something else from this past quarter? Please do.

I wish you would. Okay. This past quarter was the quarter in which I got the lengthy note from Ty the Christmas guy. Ah, yes. Right. Oh my God.

Did you forget this? This was the past quarter. He was a claim that he had been noticing this for months because he loves toast episodes with Bob Willett and Rob Pruss. That I, and he attributed this to the AI slop that was delivered to me by Rob Pruse, like probably a, I don't know, a year ago or something. And ever since then, he has noticed I started to hate Rob Pruss. And he felt I was particularly mean to Rob Pruss. At episode we did a 90s' Euro dance where Rob Pruss, let's face it, he mailed it in. Sure.

And he would tell you he mailed it in because he didn't like the topic. Didn't connect with the material. He didn't care for that genre, so he mailed it in. And I was just telling, I was expecting more from him, and I don't care if you don't like the genre.

You can pick a genre, we don't have veto power. You can pick a genre I hate. I'm still going to put in my best effort, okay? I don't care for, what was the Prague rock, okay? I did my best, right? So I was on the air, on the recording.

I was telling Rob, I expect more from him. I obviously don't hate Rob Proust. I kind of hate the person who stole his catalytic converter. But I think that was interesting because we had Ty the Christmas guy crash one of the episodes of the toast to explain himself. And we had to resolve all through. We've had three toasts since the last FOTM cast. Some kind of monster. What were your thoughts on Ty the Christmas guy coming down on me for a quote unquote hating Rob Proust?

Any thoughts? Sure. Yeah. Like, you know, I think, knowing you and knowing Rob and knowing the dynamic that you have. Like it's it's a bit of a, it's a bit of a play, right? Like it's you like giving him the gears and he kind of likes it,

right? Like it's kind of a tension that he enjoys. Giving him the business? Giving him the business. And yeah, like, you know, he deserves it. Yeah, I think so. And I think he even said, like, I agree.

I did mail it in. And, you know, I think Ty, is his heart's in the right place. He's trying to protect Rob. And he listens very closely. He listens closely. And he loves Rob Pruth. Of course.

Who doesn't love, who among us doesn't love Rob Proust? Well, except for you, of course. I was going to say like in pro wrestling parliands, that that would be like a worked shoot where like it's a bit of both. Yeah. You know, you're sort of playing a role of you're playing a bit of heel, but you also mean it,

you know. Oh yeah. I meant it. Yeah, you're working. I'm not doing stick. I'm not Stu Stone over here. You're, you know, you're a straight shooter over there. I think Ty felt like you were sort of veering into the territory of disrespect towards Rob.

Oh, yeah, because he did, Ty did bring up the fact that, you know, this man lives in New York. That's right. And once a month, he's in your South Atobico basement. And, yeah. Cut him some slack. You know, I appreciate that. I do point out the fact he visits his mom when it's not just me. But I do love that he does it.

And I think there was a suggestion by Ty, the Christmas guy, if I'm remembering correctly, that I was longing. for the days of Cam Gordon and Stu Stone. And I just remember the big disrespect was that I never did change the opening when Peter Gross says, but that's because I'll tell you, I thought that was funny.

That's stick. Yeah. I thought it was funny that forever, I still play the original opening where it shouts out Stu Stone and Cam Gordon. Like, I didn't think it was disrespectful. I thought it was funny. That seems like a Stu Stone gimmick too.

I feel like that's in this. But you did change it after Ty the Christmas guy because I want him to come back as a sponsor. Right. Money talks. What was his proposed resolution to this matter? Oh, I don't know. Maybe just show more respect to the legend that is Rob Proust.

Respect, okay. Put some respect on his name. But, I mean, you know, shout out to Ty for bringing it up. Oh, I know. I actually got mad respect for Ty. Yeah. And he came down and it was a fun part of the episode. I left that door ajar so Ty could give me the business.

Okay, I wanted the business. Yeah. Also, this past quarter included not one, but two different kick-out-the-jams related to the number of the episode being the same as the birth year of the jam kicker. So these are two people who come to TMLX events on the reg. They have names, actually.

Leslie Taylor and Andy Pandy, two, I would say they're batting average when it comes to TMLX events. Well, Andy got in earlier than Leslie. She was at the first one, believe it or not. But she did miss one because it was too early. It was noon. Okay?

She couldn't wake up early enough for a noon at Palmer's Kitchen. So she's not batting a thousand. Yeah. Like Michael Lang. Yeah. Remind me to do a proper congrats to Michael Lang. I don't think we need to do that. Leslie Taylor, I believe my memory is right.

It was 1963. So episode 1963 was a Leslie Taylor jam kicking. And then because Andy Pandy gave me an extra ticket to go see the Wu-Tang clan, Stu Stone texted me to say, She deserves her birth year episode. And her birth year was 1980. No, sorry, 1978.

Right. So just those two things happen. These are a couple of A-listers. And by the way, the Andy Pandy episode, there was like a fact-checked on the Utah Saints when you guys were talking.

Something about the crowd noise. I feel like you bought it slightly. I feel like it was the night. You have this? I don't actually don't have it. You got like most of it. Yeah. Yeah.

It was a sample of. crowd noise cheering the Blue Jays after they won the World Series and the fans spilled on the Young Street. And noise was captured from that celebration and sampled in that song. Something's good. Yeah. Yeah, something good.

And the origin of that was we had heard that song on a Pandemic Friday's episode and I tweeted about it. And I tagged at Utah scenes. They were on Twitter in the bit. What did I get wrong is my question. I forget. It was close. It was, you were almost there.

Maybe I had the wrong world series win. Something like that. Because in my memory it was 92, but obviously it was 93 because we didn't win at home in 92. Yeah. That's my mistake. It was 93 because some guy touched them all, Joe Carter. That's right.

And then everyone spilled out of the dome. But no one spilled out of the, I don't know. Did they show the game six at the dome? That's a great question. For 1992? Yeah. Oh, yeah. I was there.

Okay. Okay. So it wasn't quite 50,000 people. I was there. You were there. But a bunch of people. Do you remember how full it was? Oh, it was all teenagers.

It was fucking amazing. It was so cool. Okay. It doesn't answer my question, but okay. Do you remember how full it was? I'd say like it was pretty much sold out from what I recall. Because I remember people kept on running on the field. And at one point between innings, B.J. Birdie came out of the dugout.

Yeah. People lost their shit. And then you had Utah Saints for recording it all. Of course. Yeah, with the big boom microphone. One more thing. This past quarter, I'm just jumping around some past quarter. This past quarter included a TMLX event.

It did. That's right. TMLX 23 happened. Just this past Monday. Monday night that was September 28 at the GLB Brew Pub. And you were both there. Yeah. A great time.

Good crowd. Good vibes. Absolutely. Good food. Good drink. Great night. Who are some notable first timers there? There were a lot of first timers.

Well, one gentleman who will come up later when we talk about the 50 episodes. The guy is always checking his cell phone. Oh, no, he's not a first timer, though. But Dave Rose. and Kranz made his debut. Huge, huge. But he came from Seattle, not the furthest traveler, right? Like, it's Montana is further than Seattle?

I think Seattle would be further than Montana, although it might be probably harder to get here. Somebody fact-checked. Not a direct flight. Okay, so. Once again, Gabe, Gabriel from Montana showed up at a TMLX event, which is a mind-blow into itself. Have you guys been to Seattle? Yeah. Yeah.

Great, great town. I actually went to that experience music. I'll sell it and scramble days. That's what I think of of Seattle. So I'm going to make an announcement now, and then we'll pass the mic to you guys. The announcement is TMLX-24 is taking place. Everybody just catch, get your breath,

center yourself, prepare to take a note. I don't care if you write it with a founted pen on a piece of paper, or if you record it into your phone, or if it's going straight in the calendar. Book a vacation rental. That's, by the way, that was not me. That was me. I didn't do that.

Where is this? Tyler? Yeah, that's what you get for not. This channel's open to Tyler. So if you hear anything for that chance? I was, I was trying to get a drum roll, but of course you don't know what Bob does.

Bob has decided he just Bluetooth's into this channel. Oh, interesting. He just doesn't even, but I think this sounds better. Yeah, I do too. Anyway, please. So TMLX 24, the 24th Toronto Mike listener experience is taking place.

November, 28th, that is a Saturday. From noon to 3 p.m. at Palma's Kitchen and Palma Pasta will feed everybody and Great Lakes Brewery will

provide fresh craft beer for everybody. And there's a special gift courtesy of retro festive and tie the Christmas guy. More details coming soon.

Huge news. That's happening, everybody. That's huge. That's big. We'll be great to be back at Palmer's Kitchen. I don't think you were there last year, Kim. I know. And I will not be there this year.

Oh, boy. I'm in Ottawa that weekend. Jesus, you know what? Good help. It's hard to find. More on that soon. Okay. I have something cooking up in Ottawa.

Okay, let us know. A couple of you're running for office. Okay, a couple of little things here. One is also that Jeremy Hopkins does a quarterly episode. And was it, yeah, we did a scatting cabin episode last quarter that was amazing because That's the first time in the history of that house, the oldest home in the city of Toronto. That's the first time a podcast was recorded in that home.

So Scatting Cabin has only ever had one podcast recorded there in the hundreds of years. It's from the 1700s. And that's Toronto Mike. That seems kind of silly, but that's actually kind of cool. I do like the old in the news. It's the old in the new rather. From 1700s that thing existed. And finally a podcast was recorded.

So thank you, Jeremy Hopkins. Raging against the AISLOP, that man. But that was a good one too. FOTM J.D has an event coming up at the Horseshoe Tavern in honor of a man whose name I can see

on the cover of have not being the same. The name is down... They're playing like Steve Jobs. It's forwards by Gordon Downey. So in honor of Gord, Downey, there's an event at the horseshoe for JD. We wish J.D. We wish J.D. luck and love.

But we were going to do this thing where the horseshoe was going to let us record from their facility. And we were Jeremy Hopkins and I were going to do like the history of the horseshoe tavern. And then we were going to have JD there

to plug his event basically, like a free plug for a good guy. Anyway, the fucking horseshoe guy took a month to get back to us and then he gave us very little notice and when we could do it. And I took a pass because I had other clients

who needed servicing. That's a shame. When was this or when is it? It was going to be Monday. Yeah. It was only yesterday. It was confirmed. And I have multiple recordings

in the schedule. I can't go tell all my clients. Sorry. You can't just change. change on a dime. No, I know, but the request came in a month ago. So, you know, I'm just saying that, so that's not happening, but it was going to happen and maybe one day it will happen. And last but not least, because this right now is episode 1987.

Yeah. That's crazy. Is that right? I almost feel like I need to fact check it. What was Nico Stratus? Can you find out for me? Do I have the right number? How quickly can you find out what number?

I might be off a number. Hang on. I can't mess up my numbers now because. Sorry, this is 1986. Oh, you know what? I'll fix that one in post. Okay. This is 1986, not 1987, the year that David Marsden stopped being the program director at CF&Y.

This is the Bill Buckner. This was the Bill Buckner. Bruttle. What else happened in the 86? Absolutely. Challenger? Oh. Oh, I can tell you what else happened.

I believe this is the year that Jesse Barfield hit 40. That's right. 40 home runs for Jesse. Is that a big deal to me? Yeah. First Blue Jada hit 40. Mark Icorn just dominated. Yeah.

Yeah. The submarine. Baseball was the only thing that happened. Pretty much. Yeah. Well, that was that the year we beat the Chicago Blackhawks. Yes.

Yeah. Wendell Clark. Wendell Clark. Yeah. That was a huge playoff for me. Oh, yeah. I had Diet Coke. We were sprained on each other.

We swept the Blackhawks. Who were they? So this is like Denny Savard and L.C. Al C. I guess the. Steve Larmor? Steve Limer? Steve Limer?

Yeah, baby Steve Larmour. Probably. Was Ed Belfore in that? no, pre-Belfore. Jack Clute. I believe it was Murray Bannerman. Oh, good for you.

That's good that you did that. Look at this guy. Yeah. Not Darren Pang or whatever. Look at the big brain on this guy. The big brain on Brett. Big hockey brain. Okay, so this is all to say, 1986.

And then I'm going to shut up for a bit to hear you guys talk about stuff before we get to the episodes. But I have episode 2000 looming. Like, I can see it coming. It's coming fast. What's the plan? What are you going to do? Well, he sold the, not a problem, but I want to do 2000 in front of a live audience. But I also have TMLX-24 coming November.

So it's like that's sort of going to cannibalize it. Like I'm thinking, and I can't, I cannot slow my role. When do you anticipate this will be? It's going to happen before Halloween. Oh, say Halloween. So it's not even close. It's not even close. If it was close to November 28, which is TMLX 24, I would like go on vacation, man.

You know what I mean? I'll slow this fucking thing right down. You'll watch me. I'll slow this thing right down. You can't take a month off though. No, I got too many conversation to have. So then I thought, oh, the cool thing is to just treat it like a normal episode. This is such a big milestone.

So I have an idea to do something different, but I don't think it's going to be in front of a live audience. I think we'll celebrate it at TMLX 24. So just, bottom line is I'm going on these fucking bike rides and thinking about what will 2000 sound like. It is top of mind. Thinking about shit. Everybody's talking at me.

That's a good song. I don't hear a word. They're saying. Okay, Tyler, do you have any items? Just a couple, just clear the decks on a couple of things. We saw each other a lot. this quarter, which was great. Beyond TMLX and the John Cleese thing that you and I attended. Last Friday, we were at the West End Phoenix event, which was fantastic.

I really enjoyed it. I've been talking a lot about that event. I really enjoyed it. Yeah. That's a great venue too. Yeah. You know, it's my first time seeing a concert there? Really? Yeah, my first time in that building, Palais Royal. Oh. I biked by it a million times. And I had the four nights at the Palais Royal by Sloane. That's right. Yeah. I saw the band Godspeed U. Black. Oh, yeah. That's the only band I ever saw. Montreal band, right?

Yeah. I just got tickets for their show at the Danforth in February, if you guys want to go. Yeah, I might. Very moody. Yeah. Very moody. But a great night.

Congrats to Dave Bidini, 10 years of West End Phoenix and just had some great artists. You and I had so many interesting conversation. We went backstage, first of all. Yeah, Mike just sort of barged backstage. Because Proust was back there. So Rob Proust was in the band. I fucking hate that guy.

And I go back there. Ron Sexsmith just sitting there. Yeah, sure. Yeah, Ron Sexsmith. Yeah. Tom Wilson was there. Yeah. He zoomed in twice, but from Stratford. I'd never met him. Tom Wilson, prances on in. Sure. Tom Wilson smells amazing, but it smells amazing.

Lumbered over. It's like, yeah, and it's like, you know. And his son, we met his son. We met his son, Thompson, who I had met at you had the theater Aquarius in Hamilton, a couple of times. But every time I see Tom Wilson, it's like I'm seeing my brother or something. It's like, oh, there's my buddy Tom. That was amazing. But yeah, the people we met that night.

I mean, Tara Sloan was there. She creamed her jeans. She did. I heard. Unbelievable. Mayor was there. Oh, yeah, Olivia Chow. Upset, upset Rob Pruse, right?

Rob Proust didn't like the fact she was like stumping. I'm like, Rob. Yeah. But every speech she makes in public between Labor Day and Election Day is going to be like that. Yeah. Does he know what's happening in less than a money? Well, he's in his enclave in Kingston, New York now. So he's...

I sort of feel like Jack laid in. had like an event there in the Constantine's plate. Like I just have a memory and Olivia was there. That's a great memory. Yeah. She didn't mention that in her speech. The Ontario NDP leader Merritt Stiles was also there. Wow.

These are all Boudini's favorites. Yeah, sure. Yeah. Anyway, great night. A lot of fun. Rob Pruse killed it in the house band playing lots of like Cancon. Yeah, he was good on keys. That guy's talented.

He is. He is indeed. It hurts to me to say it, but he's very talented. How many songs were played? A lot, right? Yeah, probably. like a dozen. One more observation,

which I actually shared of Nico Stratus, so if you've heard that, you're going to hear it again. I don't care. And if you're listening to this episode, you have heard Nico Stratis' Toronto mic debut

because you're like a completest. You're a real head. Because you don't want people listening unless they're real heads, okay? But it strikes me that the legend David Marsden, who we spent half an hour

talking about off the top, it turns out he passed away on Friday. Did you guys know that? Yes. Went public to us Normies on Monday morning, but he passed away on Friday. Friday at the Palais Royale Tyler and I saw

Dave Bedini perform Spirit of Radio It's almost like you knew Spirit of radio Could have been simultaneous Right at the moment David Marsden put on his wings Bedini was breaking into spirit of radio

The song Rush wrote about CFNY I was gonna say And like giving his roots To three estatics obviously they had a lot of reverence for a lot of these bands and Alex Lifeson had been on other albums and obviously

the Great Lake Sweet. Yeah, like it all math. He's got the hat. That's right. By the way I feel like they left they left money on the table when the whole Lake America like shit was happening. If they performed the Great Lake Suite at the shores of Lake Ontario. How much money were they leaving on the table? I'm just saying

you could have done something. Because Blue Rodeo was selling hoodies and stuff. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They have some very nice Great Lakes merch, but they could have leaned in on Lake Ontario. Maybe these guys left money on the table. Sure. We're all leaving money on the table.

They should have a Lake Ontario beer. But then there's that one in Cleveland, too. I don't think they're friendly anymore. Oh, that's a shame. They're not, we're not friendly anymore. Cross border frenemies. Just a couple of,

so great night on Friday. And then I just wanted to shout out Cam and Jayho. They had a couple of track changes adjacent walking tours. I believe they were both in the past quarter. Oh my God. Yeah, I guess you're right.

I attended both. did you attend? I attended the first one. I was not available to attend the second one. Twice as a support. You are twice the man that I am. Okay, the first one was outside the world's largest bookstore. Yes, and also cover the youngest bookstore. And Sam the Record Man.

Sam the Record Man. Sam the Record Man. Yes. H&B, yeah. And the guy, I met somebody who I also met in line at the Neil Peer documentary screening. And unbelievable, James Monroe. Oh, James Monroe worked for years at that Sam the Record. but he went on to work for Rogers as a guy you would hear on 680 news.

Yeah. Buddy's with a guy who was at TMLX 23 on Monday. Mike Epple. Yes, Mike Eppel did bring him up when I was chatting. James Monroe. Yeah. So I saw him twice in this past quarter. I'm still trying to convince him to get his ass down here,

but really like the cut of that guy's jib. Well, he was very emotional at the Sam the Record Man tour. Do you remember? Because he said he was from, what, the Maritime? Yeah, from the Maritime. He came in. He was nobody. Got a job.

Sam's Niderman himself might have like hired him. Yeah, like, basically day one or two after he arrived. And then he ended up a 25 year career on a big, the biggest AM station in the city. Totally. Well, my main takeaway from that same,

the recommend tours, asking the crowd who was, the people work there because I think there's like three or four former employees. Who's the biggest like asshole who came in for an autograph signing? And someone said like without pause, oh, is Liberacee.

It was just sort of unexpected. Amazing. A little surprising. Liberace would do an in-store, but babies were crazy. It's like, yeah, actually, that would happen. And then the second one, Tyler? $2.99, Queen West.

I was not able to attend that one, but it looked like it was a lovely evening. Well, the difference was they yelled for the first one. The second one, they had these like Madonna headsets and they were wearing these speakers. Yeah, shout out to Seneca Polytechnic, my employer. And George from the recruiting team lent us. And George was kind of to come check it out.

I think it did help. Jayho had some technical difficulties, had a little feedback with his. But it was kind of cool to be down there by that building. It's so busy this time of year, but it just feels different. I don't know. Like I kind of went through that,

and it's like, what else are we going to say about this at this point? Did you talk about that weird time when the Rogers people had to vacate, but they were still in there? Like, there was, like, literally there was a time when CP-24 breakfast was a simulcast of breakfast television. Yeah. CB 24 being Bell owned and Breakfast Television being a city TV property owned by Rogers.

And then at some point they had to like separate. So they were two different productions. And then there was a moment where they were like, okay, you got to get out of this building now. Yeah. And it was also like when much music was purchased, it wasn't purchased by Bell. It was purchased by Bell Globe Media. CTV, CTV Bell Globe Media. Yeah. So like it was still involved. and then Bell Media as an entity came later. So, like, I, you know, the three of us follow this stuff,

and I still can't remember, like, how it all worked. All right, I'm calling Wiseblood. We need something to explain to it. I'm not this all out. All I know is that they already own CTV. So the CRTC said, if you own CTV, you can't own city TV. Right. That was the big thing.

But I never understood because, like, Bell, Globe Media, whatever, own much music and then MTV Canada, too. So that seemed totally fun. But I think they licensed MTV Canada as a talk thing. not a music. Right, yeah, yeah. Well, yeah, and I brought this up in the fun fact portion of that tour. One of the very first things when Bell bought it,

they said, can we drop a lot of these videos from, I think, 65% to 50, and then they went from 50 to 33% and then they formed Bell Media, and then all of a sudden they dropped music from the name. It just became much. But a good time was had by all, and do you have another one cooking? No, I mean, you know, these two events were like really, really, Promotional. Is it going to be by Toronto Tree where you talk about all the guests in the 2000 episode

history of Toronto, Mike? Yeah, no, that's probably the last one for now, because again, they're sort of tied to the book. I do have a few more book events coming up, but not in Toronto. I guess I'll drop this news. It's going to be a couple of things happening in Ottawa. And I will actually, I'll be posting about this soon. I'll be doing an event in Guelph. Oh, two weeks tomorrow.

So more on that soon. Yeah. Yeah, I'll definitely see if Ian wants to come out. But yeah, I wouldn't say never say never, but not for this book, maybe next summer. I'd have a lot of fun. Obviously, doing anything with Jeremy is always a good time. So we'll see. I love that when he comes to TMLX23 at the GLB Brew Pub.

He actually wears the outfit. Absolutely. Like, that's above and beyond. I'm always disappointed when I see him not wearing. In civvies? Yeah. Yeah. It's like who is this clown.

That's like my Ronna McDonald's story. I summoned Costco with like his kid, his wife. I did a double take. Yeah. You go to Costco? I try not to. But you have a membership? We have a family membership, but the MF mainly goes there.

I go there for frozen blueberries. Yeah, I'm a big Costco. She gets her contact lenses there. Oh, yeah. That's why I get my blood thinners there. Yeah. We buy some meat there. Okay, mainly because of the meat.

We got to get to these episodes time. We sure do. We sure do. So yeah, should we just dive in? Maybe a little refresher on what FOTM cast is. I feel like everyone knows by now. Realheads who are tuning in. Do you think we're creating any new real heads?

Or are you just like a real head is a real head? No more joiners. I mean, I think we'll get the odd real head who realizes what they are, you know? Like David. Dave Rosencran. Like, Hey,

wait a minute. I think I might be a real head. What about Brad How? Well, we'll see. See if he's listening. Hello, Bradford,

if you are listening. You should put out like coded words. Yeah. To find out who is the real head. I will say, we'll get to this when we talk about Bradford's episode. Okay. Because just spoilerly, we will be talking.

Okay, so maybe you should do a little set the table. Yeah, just a tiny little table set here. FOTM cast, this is the, what, the 11th time we've done this. And it is a recap of the past quarter of Toronto Mike episodes. And we go deep. We think we look at the facts, the figures, the phrases, the patterns, everything that you might not, that might not be sort of immediately obvious to you. We're here to talk about it and we're going to deliver the goods.

And it's really important that the real heads get this information. So they can stay on top of what's going on. Extremely important. Am I right, Tyler? There's nothing more. Am I correct to say that we go as deep as possible. The midterms are coming up. No, shut up.

We go as deep as possible and then we go deeper. That's exactly right. That's a great way to put. Put it, Mike. Yeah. Put that on a t-shirt. Yeah. We bite off more than we can chew and then we chew it.

That's right. Emily Dickinson over here. Beautiful. That's it. Is she the one who put her head in the oven? No. So, Julie, Child. She was like a spy.

I don't think there were ovens. Speaking of chefs, I want to shout out Leslie Taylor on the live stream. Oh, yeah. Because I'm ignorant to all great things that are Jen, Egg, but Leslie just finished reading Jen Egg's book. That's right. And Leslie has a recipe in, there's like a recipe contest, and I'm here to say that I voted for Leslie multiple times. Oh, that's, is that legal? I think so. Yeah, this is not like a Ballopbox. Yeah, you can, you can just go great. It's like, it's like the All-Star game, really.

You can, punch ballads. That's how we got Alamar and the Australian Lassels. Oh, man. That's the hanging chads. 100%. We all did that. Okay. So is this in any particular order? Is it chronological order? Well, we're going to get into RAPT. Okay, yeah, you do the RAP because there's some, you find out of how many episodes there were on that. There's some facts, there's some figures, and then we'll go chronologically through the quarter. Okay, okay. Go ahead. Oh, you have music. I didn't know what you were playing with your thing, but now I'm here. You know, I didn't give you a Q-She. You know what else? Was I supposed to, no, I'm going to do right now.

Yeah, you're good. You have my song. My humblest apologies, I didn't hit that. That is okay. We can't. I'm up now. I'm back to up to speed. We can't wrap up the quarter without the fabulous Thunderbirds. So let's talk about the quarter.

This was the 57th quarter of the Toronto Mic podcast. Whoa. Very exciting. 57. That's like Heinz, yeah. 59 episodes up from 53 in Q2, the busiest quarter of the year. And this was supposed to be my slow quarter. Yeah, you did not slow down.

I was going to say you were camping like Lionel Richie. Well, I wanted more kayak time. Like I had things I decided. I'm not going to record on Tuesday, for example. I had rules. I violated all of them. I broke them all. But yeah, I have it because I keep an ongoing list.

59 episodes. Yeah. Now a couple of them are, three of them actually are remembering episodes. I don't know if that means an asterisk or not. But so three of them were me remembering in FOTM who had passed away. And then that's sad. Playing like an excerpted.

And who is that? Okay, so here are the three. One was David Marsden. Of course. One was Lloyd Robertson. You know, we didn't pay tribute to Lloyd. Lloyd can die in a quarter and we don't even like say boo about it. Did you remember?

I mean, I remember. Well, Lloyd Robertson. Now, he didn't, you know, he didn't die young. Now they did David Marsden for that, for that, for that logic. But I would say Lloyd Robertson, as big as they come in this city, city, country. everybody who came encounter with Lloyd Robertson had an amazing thing to say about that man when he passed away

like to a T every single person is a gentle, classy, lovely accommodating and my only experience of Lloyd Robertson which was a Zoom, although I did go pretty long with the old man, was it like he would have, I felt like I could ask him anything

and I didn't look at my fucking clock oh I better keep it to 20 minutes for Mr. Cleese. I went well over 90 minutes I think with him. He was very, generous with his time. But that's him.

Like this is a, this is a lovely human being and we should all strive to be like Lloyd Robertson. Great Grace. Lived his life with a lot of grace. Yeah, which is really life. Elaine Benis over there. There's no Lloyd Robertson's sex scandal.

No, there's no Lloyd Roberts. And also he had principles. Like, you know, he wanted, you know, why did he leave CBC the National for CTV? But Harvey Cruck, is that his name? Crick. Who's the guy? Harvey Kirk.

Before my time. I never even... Alejandro's brother. Right, right. Okay. So this is our moment to say, we remember Lloyd Robertson, like we remember David Marsden,

but there's another name who I don't know, you guys make a ruling of this as an FOTM. Bill Atanisoff. Because Peter Gross interviewed Bill. Right, right, right. So there's actually... I listened to this one. Peter Gross interviewed Bill Atanisov.

And in his own words, we got his story. It's the only time he was, you'll find that since the accident, that horrific accident. And you need to listen to this episode to learn, just what an inspiring story. Bill La Tanasoff passed away, and I replayed the episode of people who loved him. And I would say Bill Latansoff is an FOTM.

I think so. I think so. Very least an honorary. Well, his original content, original content on Toronto Mike, it wasn't repurposed from anywhere. It wasn't anywhere else. Peter interviewed him.

Yeah. Specifically. And then came here and then gave it context and we played it. Yeah, that counts. So there's an episode where we remember Bill the Temes off. Yeah, it was a great episode. Okay. I thought so too. And Peter gets all the credit. Absolutely. Great job. Peter Gross. That's why he's a hall of fame. And he was the one like in the print ad, like pointing his camera, amongst other things, like many other things. Retro Ontario would have shared that image for sure here. So there you go, 59 episodes of China. 59 episodes, 56 individual guests, which was down from 63 and Q2, 34 first time.

slightly up from the 32 that we're on in Q2. How many first timers? 34. That's pretty good. That's pretty good. A couple of milestones to note. Ed Keenan becomes the ninth member of the 20-time club. Okay.

He was going to be on yesterday, but he was sick. Yes. So we're going to do it in a couple of weeks. Shout out to Ed Keenan. Hope he's feeling better. Yeah. Jayho becomes the 26th member of the 10-time club. Oh, congratulations.

We're going to do one more before the year's up. And then Bob Willett passed Elvis to move into fourth place. Whoa. All-time guest list. It's big. Elvis confirmed as my co-host for TMLX-24 at Palma's Kitchen. That is wonderful. So Bob is now chasing down the aforementioned, I think we mentioned him.

1236, Mark Wiseblot. I mentioned him. He's always top of mind. Frozen in time at 61 appearances. One day, Mark. Do you think in 2027 will get Mark Wise Blot? it back on the podcast. I hope so. I hope so. Me too. So I met a real quick story is, there's a gentleman named Jack, who I believe lives in Calgary, but he's originally from Hamilton.

And he discovered Toronto Mike. I think the first time Mike Richards was on. And he became a patron. I don't know if we promote the Patreon feed where there's no programmatic ads. People should become a patron at patreon.com slash Toronto Mike. But this gentleman, Jack, always a good supporter via email and social media and Patreon, but I'd never met the man. And he was in town for, he was in town. And he said, hey, would you meet me? And I said, yeah, meet me at the Great Lakes Brewery, 30 Queen Elizabeth Boulevard. And I bought him a beer and we had a nice chat.

And the first question he had was, when do I hear Mark Wiseblood on Toronto mic again? Yeah. So in 2027, I will do everything in my power to make it so. Did he seem like nervous like he was meeting a big celebrity? I mean, but just like it was. As a Toronto Mike listener, and meeting at J.R. Like, that's a whole experience.

I guess he used Esri at some point, or he had some Esri affiliation where he knew Mike Grigotsky. I thought, we talked to Mike. We saw Mike at TMLX on Monday. Yeah. And I thought Mike said that he was, Jack was an old buddy of his. From Ham,

but Mike's not from Hamilton. Well, his parents are from Hamilton. Oh. His parents, his dad was my dad's friend in high school. Did I know that? I don't know. That's exciting to me because they named a baseball.

They named a diamond Annette. So do you know where the Annette baseball that happens by St. Cecilia's and Annette Public School? Okay. Yeah, yeah. We know where it is.

They named a diamond after Colleen and Mike Grigotsky. That's huge. Yeah, that's amazing. That's huge. Yeah. Big booster of amateur baseball in the west end of the city.

Absolutely. By the way, just speak out baseball. If you guys seen Anthony Rizzo on the post season. He's like really bad. Is he? Oh, I have not actually.

I haven't tuned in yet. Joey Votto's been on too. He's been pretty good. Yeah. Although I heard he said something like Atlanta is definitely not going to score any more runs and then they immediately hit a two run over. Michael Harris. All right.

He's no Mysterion. No. Joey Votto, Itobico's own. Mimico's own, in fact. Okay. Let's talk about some episodes. So we've got 50s. to cover. I've got some clips.

I've done my best to keep them tight. You're open? I'm open. Let's start with an episode that feels like about a century ago. The wonderful and talented Susie McNeil. Oh, that was a long time ago. Very early in the quarter. You may know her from Rockstar in excess.

Shout out to Taras Lone. I saw her recently performing at my aunt and uncle's long-term care home in Encaster. That's hilarious. And yeah, she had a very entertaining story that we will listen to now. I'm talking too much about it, but this part's funny. No, no, I'm fascinated by this whole thing. So then I'm like, great.

Well, then it's hopefully going to become the theme song. And everyone thought it was, you know, including Loring. And I was at a show in Halifax, and it was like a songwriter round show. And we were backstage and Alan Fruh was there. And I had these merch bracelets made. There's like those rubber. ones and they said it said believe on it and Alan said oh I love that bracelet can I please do you have any more because I'm writing the theme song for the 2010 Olympics and it's called believe yeah okay so I have and I was

like what yeah yeah because I thought it would be an interesting way to frame it which we're doing this but I play the song believe from the 2010 Olympics and people don't hear that fucking Nikki Yanofsky song yeah yeah and it's a different believe I know but it's not it's not the same song It's a different song. It's a different song. So Alan Frue with Yaten, I hope I got her name right,

Nikki Yanofsky. Yeah, yeah. I think it's called I believe. Yeah. Close enough. Yeah. And that's the one that Bell media shoves down our throats.

It wasn't Bell. Because Bell was my song. I like to blame Bell for everything. I know. I'll just blame David Corey. Yeah. Right. Go on.

No. So Bell was my song, but the actual like Olympic Committee. Like the Canadian IOC, whatever this is. Yeah. Yes. They said, well, we can't use her song because we don't want to bother getting the rights. Like I owned the master example. Like I owned the recording. And it had already been played. It was on the radio at this point.

So they're like, we'll just get Alan and the other guy to write a song that's sort of like it. And I was like, are you kidding me? It's about ownership. It's all about ownership and money. It's the same reason we lost B.J. Birdie as the mascot for the Toronto Blue Jays because Blue Jays did not own it. Kevin Shanahan owned it. And then they went and made a different mascot that they owned. So they basically said, we don't own Believe by Susie McNeil. We'll go make our own believe. And that'll be the song we jammed down Canadian's throats. Is that great? I was so mad. I'm mad right now. I'm mad right now. And I've always laughed. And your song is better. Right? It's got more soul. I've always laughed with Alan about that song. Yeah, you know, Alan Fruit, next time I'm in an elevator of Alan Fruit, I'm going to kick him in the shins.

I'm glad I said shins. Yeah. Okay. Great clip. Yeah. Inspired choice, Tyler Campbell. Thank you. Thank you.

So some context there. Susie McNeil had written this song called Believe, which you would play just before that. Right. For the 2010 Olympics. For the 2010 Olympics. And then, yeah, as she says, Bell. I guess Bell owned it. But the consortium,

the broadcast consortium, didn't... She mentions David Corey. Yeah. Isn't that the co-host Marilyn Dennis had at the end of her run? I believe so, yeah. Oh, shit.

Who had a... There was controversy brewing, and then magically he resigned. He just stepped down, retired from radio. Yeah. Okay. Anyway, Susie got... What a small world movie?

Susie got screwed. Susie got fingered as... Tom Brady. That's a Freddie got fingered reference, everybody. Okay. Great clip. She's kind of interesting because she's kind of just like an entertainer. Yes.

You know, some people are musician. I'm not saying she's not a musician, but like she did musical theater. She's no Susan AguClerc. I mean, she goes to long-term care homes and entertains seniors. Yeah. But she's a good singer and she is entertaining. Yeah, she's kind of vivacious. Yeah.

Oh, yeah. She's like a hot mess. Yeah. But that was a fun. That was a fun episode. And I liked my BJ Birdie, because you organically mentioned BJ Birdie earlier in this episode.

Shout out to... You talked about being at the dome for when Dave Winfield hit the big double. And I can't... At that call, which is my son's friend, I probably should have taken

if it calls back, I have to answer it because what's Jarvis telling me from his son's phone? Jarvis doesn't have a phone, but he's out at soccer. Anyway. Okay.

Susie McNeil. Great choice. Great app. Did you pitch her or how'd she come on? She was pitched to me. Pitched you by like a publicist or something. A publicist? Yeah, she had a new music.

I think she did covers. I can't remember. Oh, yes, that's right. Yeah. Yeah, so that's a good question. Every time these top 15 come up, ask me how they ended up on Toronto. How many publicists did you?

So, Susie McNeil, we'll call that an inbound. Yes, inbound. That's good. Okay, moving on four episodes later, the great Dave LeBlanc, the architecturist, as he is also known. Very good. Visited the basement.

Really enjoyed this episode. He's got so much to say, obviously, about architecture in the city. The history of Toronto. He also does these tours as in his alter ego, Irma Gertel, which is quite entertaining. I would actually like to do one of those tours. Anyway. Absolutely. Yeah.

And he's like of the, you know, the Jay Ho, the Adam bunch in that crowd of like the really knowledgeable, really reputable Toronto history characters that we have in our orbit. Love them all. And so here's Dave, just with a fun little anecdote about street signs. This is like 1880,

let's say, when a lot of our housing stock was built, a lot of Victorian housing. Well, it couldn't be anything but Victorian housing because Queen Victoria was on the throne. Right. Anyway, so, so yeah, you're sitting higher up. You actually are moving much slower, so the sign can be much smaller and the font can be much smaller.

And, you know, you're at a leisurely pace. You're like, you can look up and take in the sign. And then you can see signs evolve because then when you're in an automobile, they have to be lower. They have to be larger. Until finally, we get to the 60s when everything was like electric and beautiful and psychedelic baby. And we got the lit sign boxes that looked like tiny, you know, the telephone booth that

was all lit up. that was very architectural. We got these little mini boxes of a piece of plexiglass lit up by conventional light bulbs. You know, yellow was to signify east-west streets and blue was north-south streets. And the font was now very, very rational and very, you know, 60s. And then those kind of died out by the 90s. And I was finding like the last ones. And then, of course, you know, we have the acorn signs from the 30s, those white ones with the acorn.

with the acorn on top. I mean, in a way, you can kind of see civilization change based on street signs and how we needed to see them and the ways in which we had to see them. Well, that is hidden Toronto, right? Like, you kind of have to pay attention, right? And sometimes when you're just driving everywhere, you might not notice these things,

but if you go for a nice walk or a bike ride, you actually can start to see these pieces of hidden Toronto that you celebrate in your book. And somebody tip me off, I must say, when I was waxing poetic about these, these lit up ones because I really like them, the 60s ones. And it's a friend of mine, and she said, there's a neighborhood north of Toronto that's completely full of them, but it's a suburban neighborhood.

I'm like, really? And so I went up, took pictures for the book. And then I looked, I looked it up. I looked up the neighborhood to see when it was built. And I'll be damned if it wasn't a neighborhood of Alcan homes, meaning aluminum company of Canada. So steel, you know, steel studs, no, no wood. This is the, and it was about a year before Toronto started using these light box signs.

And I, I mean, it's a theory, but I'm thinking like Alcan, their aluminum company, they're making these signs, they're lighting them up. The city sees them a year later. We're rolling out in the city of Toronto. And I guess who probably got the contract, Alcan would be my guess. Follow the money. Yes. I almost said that after the Susie McNeil clip. Maybe every clip is a follow of money.

You know what? Take a note on that. All the money here. That gentleman was also an inbound, but he, no PR layer, he said, hey, I love your show. I think I'd make a good guest. And I said, yes, you would make a good guest.

And he was great. Sign says long-haired freaky people. Need not apply. I think that, like, again, we've litigated this topic, but just in the age of just like slop and just lazy repeating. By the way, did you see this announcement from YouTube today that they're going to de-

monetize and deprioritize like clips. Did you like this came out today? Do you elaborate? No, I did not. Like sort of like compilations like basically people repurposing videos. This is every time, uh, the Simpsons reference Montana. Yeah. I think it's maybe a bit more about like clipping like podcasts and like news and like

read like just read people who don't own the content. They say they're going to, but just again like people are so fucking lazy about their content. And we've talked a lot about. sort of in Jeremy did a whole episode on the slop. Yeah, the one before Dave LeBlanc. Yeah, so someone like this, he's like, he's literally driving into suburbs to see like street signs and stuff. Like, I'm just glad people like this are still around.

You're so passionate about it. And actually like doing the work, you know. I've said this so many times, but. Yeah, because it's really. Yeah, the slop is lazy. Yeah. And the problem is people want the slop. People don't care.

Slop's good enough for most people. Yep. So there will not be an episode 2000 because Cam just depressed the fuck out of I'm just going to say. Shutting this whole thing down. No, it's not bad. Nobody wants 90. No one wants two and a half hours on the TMU's quarter.

Okay? Enough people want to do it. That's worth doing. By the way, we skipped over an episode. I just want to shout out. I enjoyed my chat with wide mouth Mason. I'm just throwing it out there. They were fun.

They were fun. Like Saskatchewan. Yeah. Was the one dude not at like running meet him blue? Yeah, he was at running meet him blue. I know. I know. But the other one was in BC.

Yeah. Yeah. They tricked me on that one. Yeah. They were good. They were sneaky. Yes. Exactly.

Why'd you say it like that? Next. Next. This was, this episode created a little bit of controversy in the TMU. Not a bad thing. I know it is. Never a bad thing. You know, people are a little split on, on this guy.

He, Mysterion, the mind reader, who also, there's some branding. He's got some branding things going on. He, I believe he said he's actually now going by. Mysterion the Seer of Tomorrow, which I think... Not a good brand. I think he should... Nobody's going to call him that.

The mind reader. Stop trying to make that happen, Mysterion. So yeah, he's one of those guys. He's been around. A few folks in the TMU, including Bob Willett, had strong reactions to Mysterion and his hijinks.

Here's Mysterion blowing your mind. So what is that? it then how I'm trying to think how what you no matter where I stop is it always going to be no no of course I there's a couple of novels right there behind you yeah yeah okay track changes see you're not going to trust the one I brought you okay pass me the other one as well battle of the skyscrapers battle of the skyscrapers these are uh wonderful books you got in your hand here okay let's see what we got here okay and uh battle of the skyscrapers okay touch one of these two books

okay take it yeah say stop on mine as I flip. Stop. Okay, 6-4. Open yours to 6-4. Don't let me see what it says on page 6-4. I want you to imagine the first couple of words on the top left side. Is 6-4 on the left side? Yep. Okay, look at the top two words. Hold the book up so I don't accidentally peak, even though there's no way I can see. You can see it. Okay, look at me, bring it down just

a bit. Look at me. Think of the first letter of the first word. Okay. Think vowel, consonant, just look at me. It's a consonant. Think about how many letters are. in that word. One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, it's a four letter word beginning with an S. Is that right? That's correct.

Okay, I want you to focus on the word S-O. It's fucking tripping me, man. Is it Sons? Sony, Sony, music. I even got the next word is music. I got, I need a moment. Can I have a moment? Can I have a moment to process this?

Okay. My brain is trying so hard to figure out how you do it. It's, so I'm on page 16. of track changes. And the first line is Sony music has always prided itself

on being an artist's first label. These are your books. Yeah, this is Cam Gordon's freaking book. There's no way you didn't know. And I chose the other book. So how... No fucking chance.

No. Even if there was, how could I see? I know. I know. I'm trying to find a way. Just say stop on one of these pages. Just say stop. Stop.

Okay. Look at the first word on that page. Okay. You see it? Yeah. They're all different. right like yeah they're all different yeah and so how did you stop on the word on my ring yeah okay i don't i need a moment here because uh i'm so fucking skeptical part in my french mysterion that i'm like

that one i'm still not sure this is like a magician you do a card trick at sleight of hand i figured out the other one did you i saw you do the card trick before i press record for the people and i said oh like that's a good trick i guess it's a special deck of cards or whatever but these last few tricks you've done it seems to me like you're reading my mind mystery on the mind right here. Okay. So I recorded video of this and I did, I wanted to know. And I think he did four things or something.

Three of them I cracked. One of them I'm not sure how he did it. But I realized like what he was doing. Like one of the, his smooth moves is that when he's doing the thing, a slight a hand thing where he's writing it down quickly or whatever, that he's asking you a question. So he does this thing where he distracts you and he makes you think of an answer or he says something.

So he makes you like, okay, pick whatever. So he makes you think of something so you're thinking about your answer in real time and you don't notice

the slate of hand thing he's doing. So obviously he doesn't read minds. There is no such thing as magic, but he is very good at what he does. So is he like getting a peek at the page while you're? He,

I kind of have to review it again with the video, but I saw like one thing like it was like 11 I think it was. I think he, I saw quickly he wrote something down so we could later say, this is the number or whatever.

Like, it is really just light of hand, like any magician. But he really does a good, he'll ask you some question. Why did you choose whatever? Keep you busy. You're talking about George Bell or whatever. Yeah, as one does. As one does. A lot of retro Blue Jays chat on this episode here.

Man, that was 86. Right up there on that calendar. He had 20, I want to say he had 27 home runs that year. In 86? Yeah, like that's my memory. 26 or 27 home runs, maybe 26. And then Jesse had the big 40th. And then the very next year, we know what happened.

Of course. 47 home run. Don't remind us. Don't remind us. What is the short version of everyone's beef with Mysterio? All right. So Bob met him in a previous life. What's Bob's beef?

I think I'd have proud of him, I want to say, and that he was rude to Bob. Oh. He was a dick to Bob. And Bob doesn't like dicks and he doesn't forget. Yeah. Another FOTM who may or may not be in the Hall of Fame was little disappointed in this person's reaction to his name,

because of how badly Mr. Mysterion wanted to get into wrestling and how much this person would have been helping him. So that was a second one. Oh. But remember, he came in because I got a note from Jerry, the kid who interviewed, yeah, Jerry Levittan, Sir Jerry. He said, he was the kid who interviewed Dave, Dave. Oh, okay, right, right, right, Dave.

John Lennon, okay? He interviewed John Lennon. Lenin. Anyway, he's no longer a kid, Jerry Levitan. But Jerry Levitan said, you should talk to Mysterion. And I said, okay, because he's, I trusted his judgment. And who would make a good guest? And he brokered that deal.

Okay, there you go. That's how that one came in through Jerry Levitan. Entertaining episode, just, yeah, one of those guys, uh, I feel like there's a lot of guys like this in the Toronto atmosphere. Uh, when I first moved to Toronto. But enough about Paris Black. Uh, there. Yeah.

Yeah. No, like, yes. That's exactly. Yeah. Uh, when I first moved. of those fucking abs. Oh my God. Washboard.

How's he doing, by the way? He sent over Kathy Young. Did he? Like, I know Kathy Young didn't make the top 15, although she was absolutely wonderful. And she was at TMLX. It was Paris Black said to me, you should talk to Kathy Young, and she was at TMLX 23. That's right. Can I ask a question to people on the live stream or you guys are free to answer to?

Did you ever see Tony Lee perform? No. Does anyone on the live stream remember Tony Lee? also a delay so you might want to continue on to the next subject. Tony Lee was the X-rated hypnotist who used to tour university campuses in the late 90s. I saw my McMaster and I actually got hypnotized. And I remember being shirtless. This is that McMaster and the downstairs John, which is the bar there.

You probably party there. Literally the downstairs. Yeah. It's not the toilet. It's like it was an establishment. Ruth Capolis worked there for spell. who we saw at the West End Phoenix event at the Palais Royal.

Yeah. Anyway, if anyone remembers Tony Lee, because this guy would sell out. Not a big Yassio Pueig fan. Yeah. Tony Lee is not a... Yeah. But that's open.

I bet you can get him. I'd be curious if he's still performing. I need to... Yeah, there's like, you know, the Jim Rose Circus was big around that time. This guy that I used to see, I lived on Brunswick Avenue right across from...

Down the street from the Brunney, right across from the poor Alex theater. Right. where the paranormal midnight show would run every Saturday night. And he was very much a Mysterion-like character, you know, very theatrical. Kind of centrics. Yeah, yeah.

But yeah, I like that side of trauma. I don't know why this name popped into my Mendelssohn Joe. Well, yeah, sure, because he wrote a letter. He would write snail mail. Different generation. And he only passed away recently. He had to be made. Yeah, we talked about that.

Yeah. But Mendelsso and Joe all over much music for a period of time. We knew Mendelsohn's Joe for much music. Dance with Joe. He's Joe Mendelsohn and the post office fucked it up and he just changed his name. Yeah. Yeah. He would write lots of snail mail to people like, oh, I, I, you just, he would write, write pieces of snail mail to like everybody.

Okay. Here's a question. He's Canada's version of whom? This is not perfect, but I can sort of see it. Like Shell Silverstein? Okay. Yeah. Do you sort of see that?

Sort of hippie kind of poetic. Yeah. He writes my name is Sue. Naivete. Boy name Sue. Boy name is Sue. How do you do? Freaking at the Freakers party.

Okay. I like this game. Yeah. Okay. He did the way where the sidewalk ends. That was him. It sounds like British there first. Did he write?

Simon in the land of chalk drawing is what you were going into there. The giving tree is also. Oh, you know, my name is Simon. And the things I draw come true. Quick check on the life. Mike Myers. Nobody remembers. No takers on Tony Lee.

No, I don't know. Anyway, check them out. the X-rated hyponetam. All right, next. Okay, next. Next is a long-time radio personality. Jane Brown, downtown Jane Brown. Right.

I like to... Currently heard on the morning show on Zoomer radio. 740. 740, formerly. Are they on the FM2? I know they're on AM 740. That was the old CBC. 96.3?

Is that? Yeah, see, that's funny. I only know them from 740, but I'm... I don't know. I don't know if they're on FM. Oh, maybe I'm wrong. What's 906. Is that easy, isn't that easy?

No, that's a classical music. That's the Moses classical music station. Classical FM. CJ. EZ or whatever the fuck that is. Okay, so back to downtown Jane Brown. One of those people she's been around forever. Yeah. Worked with pretty much everybody in Toronto Radio.

And so you asked her about a couple of fairly well-known folks that come up often on Toronto Mike. I'm ready. I'm dying to know a little more. about like John Gallagher, for example. I'm dying to know because I know I'm so damn well and he's going through a tough spell right now. What can you tell us about working with Spike Gallagher? Well, back then, when we first started working together, I think he felt a little bit of,

oh, like his nose was a little bit out of joint because they brought me in to kind of be a co-host. Right. And the show evolved to where we were, the three of us. were co-hosts. Well, Jake was the host, and we were the sidekicks, John and I. But I think, and he would probably tell you that this is true, he liked me, right? Like he, we got along. He liked it. Well, you're attractive, so of course he likes you. Well, okay, we're talking about John Gallagher. I know, I know, but I think he thought I was sort of amusing. Like, he, we, we had a really good chemistry. Like, just on and off the air, we found the same things funny. We're

kind of like brother and sister. We'd finish each other's sentences. And so what might have started to be sort of like a bitterness around why is, why does she need to be here? Kind of just evolved to where we had a real friendship. And, and then we worked together at Zumer many, many years later.

Of course. Yeah. The breakfast club or something? The gang. The happy gang. Thank you. Oh, we were all so happy. And then I think it was Jane Hodden.

a part of that? No. No. I worked with Jane to CBC. CBC. Okay. Yeah.

You got to drop more names, Jane. Okay. We need more names here. Okay. So any more Q107 memories that percolate? One thing I need to ask you about is, uh, did John Derringer treat you nicely? He did. Uh, and I knew you would ask me.

Glad to hear it. I knew you would ask me about that because it's been, it's topical. Right. Because you're a woman. And because I'm a woman and was working with him back in the. early 90s. John and I got along great. I did witness some of the

behavior that has become prominent in discussions around radio. So for instance, I'm in the room and I'm writing a traffic report and some one of my female colleagues may pop her head in or whatever and he would say things to her that were

sexually aggressive or yeah, just complete, like it inappropriate. And as a girl in the room at that time, I just kept quiet. Because it wasn't the era where you said, you can't talk to her like that. Like, I just didn't go there. I sort of felt like, I guess, and you know, it's era specific, right? So I wouldn't act the same way now. But in that era, I thought if she doesn't like it, she can say something. Some real talk from Jane, downtown Jane Brown. It's really interesting

just hearing those perspectives, like very different, you know, I think some of the other people who stand out against John Derringer had a very different point of view. Well, they got reassigned or fired or worse, like calling Rush Holm. I know she talked about, she lost that gig and was moved to some, I don't know,

a Hamilton station or something. But to her, to James point, like she worked, she would have worked with Derringer in like the maybe late 80s or early 90s. Yeah. Early 90s, yeah.

Well, when he came back from, when was he on the fan? That was mid, like, yeah, like, he was Q and that.

he went to Montreal. Montreal. Then he did fan and then he went back to Q. Was it like Bob McCowan left and they brought in John Derringer? I don't. Or were they on? I'm trying to remember. I think, well, when.

I think it was when Derringer left, they shifted Bobcat, Bobcat to the mornings. Bobcat was on the morning. I think when the fan first started, Bobcat was in the morning. I don't think so. I think Mike English. Oh, Mike English. Oh, okay. Because I think whenever Bobcat was moved to mornings, I don't know how long that lasted.

That's when Dan Shulman was host of primetime. Yes, she hosted Primetime. And then, but Derringer and Pat Marsden were the morning show on the face. Pat Marston. Pat Marston. No relation to Dave Marston. No, because Marsden was a fake name. Of course.

I mean, that was a good episode. I was also on their radio show. Oh, that's right. Yeah. In the weird little circles. With Andy Wilson. Well, Andy Wilson has direct ties to the Humble and Fred universe. Yeah.

Yeah. This was a good episode. Like, this felt like this was a puzzle piece that needed to be. It was grout. Some radio grout. That's the term. More than grout. More than grout.

Yeah, there was some grout episodes. More than grout. You take the high. I'll take a low. Okay. Jane Brown. Say Gary Sharon. What are you doing?

Gary Sharon. Nino. Nino. Yeah. Yes. Still the best Van Halen. Oh, yeah. All right.

Okay. Moving on. Andy Kregan. Wow. Formerly of Bernan. naked ladies. Shout out to Brian Dunn. So this was a ex-what-what-you-outbound.

I worked hard for a long time to get Andy Kagan, but there was a geographical issue that was sadly resolved because his father got made like Mendelsso and Joe. Not made like when Pesci got made in the Good Fellas. M-A-I-D, medical assistance in dying. Yes, very humane way to go out. We do it for our cats. We do it for our dogs.

We should do it for our loved ones. Indeed. Indeed. So Andy, obviously, early member of the band, but left really kind of just as they were hitting it big. Yeah. And had some interesting perspective on what that was like. And yeah, we'll listen to Andy talk about why he left. But when you find out, first of all, did you exchange, I don't know, letters with Ed or something in which he told me, told you about Tyler? Like, when did you learn Tyler was in the band?

I can't recall exactly when, but yeah, there was definitely some correspondence. And, of course, Jim, you know, I saw him regularly and talked to him. Of course. So I knew there something was up. There was this Tyler Stewart character that I would have to meet. But what's your initial? I'm not trying to cause any Canadian rock riffs, waves here, but... Listen, my story is a very, very B part to something else.

Anyway, go ahead. Well, I'm just wondering, though, if you were planning to play drums and bernicolades, and you go, you know, you got the blessing to go away for nine months, the Canadian World Youth Exchange Program, and you come back and there's this Tyler Stewart guy banging away at the drums. Like, was there a moment where you're like, hey, that's not fair.

It's like being, you know, it's like being the starting quarterback, you get hurt, and then the backup takes your job. No, I didn't feel like it was unfair. That wasn't ever... I think I left that behind in high school when I really, that music wasn't about, you know, playing time. But I definitely had to deal with it. And, you know, I was okay with it.

It was more an issue of what Tyler brought to the band changed it in a way that I wasn't totally comfortable with. I got to say right off the bat. His, I mean, I love Tyler, obviously. Are you going to meet him later today or tomorrow? Yeah, yeah, and I'll see him, and I'll give him big hug, and we love each other. And it's no secret.

that I had to adjust to what he brought to the band. And there was definitely style-wise, there was a definite friction in the fact that he thought, you know, he brought a propulsion to the band. Whereas percussion-wise or drumming-wise, I brought something else. Like the main propulsion would have been between Jim and Ed. And Ed is one of the most amazing rhythm guitar players

I've ever seen. And I've really was spoiled to learn, you know, and I thought that Jim and Ed had this incredible rhythm connection. And when Tudder came in, I just didn't feel like it was as natural. And Tadr had his own propulsion and there was an adjustment for sure. And then you add my congas to it. Sometimes it was just like redundant what I was doing. So like I sort of had to figure out where my place was.

Wow. That's some bare naked ladies real. talk right there. The guy goes away for nine months. Yes. Beautiful reason. He went away to... Great reason. Great reason. He comes back and there's another guy banging on drums. Now, we love the guy

who's banging on drums. Great FOTM. Tyler Stewart. It's not about that. One and done. Right. But changes the band, changes everything. Now, Andy's got to move to keyboards. He's got to move to keys because there's no room on drum. And also, he doesn't quite fit in with this new

iteration of bare naked ladies. Remind me, when specifically did he leave? Because he was on the Jane album. But then I think left. So he was replaced by Kevin Hearn on the tour for... Maybe you should drive. But remember, he wasn't on drums for Gordon. No, no, no.

Well, I can remember... I don't... Was he on drums for the yellow tape? So, yeah, I think he might have been. But mostly it was... Pre-Gordon. Gordon was Tyler Stewart on drum. Yeah, yeah. Tyler's in the video for Lover.

in a dangerous time. They're in the truck. And like Andy Kregan's like on the little keyboard in the back of the truck. Right. Yeah. They go to the street hockey match at St. Bidini and Andy Mays and others. The old car. That's right. Remember that? Sure do.

Do you know who originally recorded Lovers at a Dangerous Time? It was Bruce. Bruce Coburn. By the way, was I the only one I didn't know the standing outside the broken phone booth with Money Man. It was a Bruce Coburn song? What? It's not. The title, the title was. I don't, okay.

There's a song with a very similar title that the song that we all know and love, also the very first song played on Pandemic Fridays. On Pan Ampl Friday, we played the sample, the blues sample. Yeah, the music has nothing to do with it, but the title of that song was based on the title of the Bruce Coburn song. I heard this on the Allen Cross podcast. Yeah, we're just going to bear with me for like two seconds. Is this Bruce?

This is a suitcase. So this is a Bruce Coburn song outside a broken phone booth with money in my name. Yeah, so like the song has nothing to do with it, but the title of the song and the title of primitive radio gods. Which is, by the way, the claim to fame for that song is it's the first song ever played on Pandemic Friday. That's right. That's right. Yeah. Anyway, anyway, this was on the Allen Cross one-hit wonders.

I should be admitting I'm listening to their podcast on this podcast. How dare you? Yeah. It was mentioned this week. It's like I'd never heard that before. Anyway, yes. Chris Coburn lovers in a dangerous time. Only because I forgot to mention that this past quarter in the TMU,

I did an hour, I had an hour with Bruce Colburn. When is that coming? Like soon, right? Bernie Finkelstein says, I have to wait until mid-October. Okay. As I told Nico Stratis,

I swear to you, I forget I ever had that combo. Yeah. I know. It's not like, I'm not hyping it very well. It is interesting. I just completely forgot I did it.

And you and I in particular have spent a long time trying to get Bruce on. You put in a lot of work. Yeah, you know, I sort of worked Bernie for a long time. And I, you know, I had him in the basement, Bernie, and we did the deep dive, and, you know, I did my best to soften the LZ. Bernie, baby. Pretty much. So long Bernie. Primitive Radio God's frontman, Chris O'Connor stated that he was struggling to name his new song.

so we picked up a copy of Bruce Coburn's further adventures of and adapted the title standing outside of broken. Here, let me give some praise to Alan Cross, okay? I just want to say, that is a fun fact. That's a fun fact.

Very fun fact. So you guys didn't know that either. I didn't know that. I'm learning this for the first time. Yeah. I'm glad that you educated us. I'm shocked none of us would know that. So the Andy Kriegan episode,

just the fact that it happened, he was only in town for like a week because his father was passing away. And then he actually that night, so he left, the outfit he was wearing, which was nothing special. It matched my outfit.

It was like shorts and a t-shirt. We took a photo by Toronto Tree. That's the same outfit he's wearing when he goes to the RBC Amphitheater and joins Bear Naked Ladies on stage that very night. He biked from my place to the amp. That's got to be a... No wardrobe change. That's got to be a first.

I think it might be a first. Yeah. I'm trying to think what an equivalent... That would be like sort of the guy who plays for like a team and they leaves and they win the World Series the next year. You know? Yeah. It must be like tough to like live.

I was going to say Bob Wiseman, but at least they already had outskirts. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I don't know. Anyway.

I know regrets from Andy. None. No, he seems... It's almost like Dave Steeb. Almost. He got a ring. I know he did.

But he wasn't like part of it, really. And like Andy was still like kind of part of the band. Yeah, so that's like... It's like DeRosen. When he throws it, it goes in. But DeRosen misses out on the 2019 championship. Right. Right, right, right.

But he was such a core part of that team. Totally. Yeah. Where do you sign, I forget? Like a Miami or something. For this coming up? Yeah. Called Doug Smith.

Doug Smith, by way, also a great episode from this past quarter. Yeah, always enjoy hearing from Doug Smith. Okay, this next one is a big, I thought this was a great episode. I can't wait to hear about it. Yes. Rebecca Rankin. So there were a couple of folks from the much universe that we heard from this quarter. Oh, he's on the Nuggets, but.

Oh, really? You're the one who reporting. Good signing. Okay. You're correcting yourself. Yes. So yeah, Rebecca. Rebecca Rankin.

Really great chat. Lots to say. What a fascinating life and career she's had. And let's hear from Rebecca. Like, how the heck did you make the move to VH1? I cut a demo with the help of somebody who I won't mention because he might get in trouble. Is he still there? much.

No, he's not still there. He won't get in trouble. Bill Villalichka helped me. Bill was an editor. Dear friend of the show. Okay, so Bill was amazing and, you know, very kind. And he gave me time. We had to do it very covertly at 2 a.m.

And he helped me cut, you know, a reel. He made it look spectacular. And then I reached out to Alan Gregg, who was manager, extraordinary up here, who knew all of the MTV guys because they were trying to do MTV. in Canada like that hadn't happened yet. Good to do.

So, and Alan, and I said, hey, can you get me in with? And I knew the people. So there was Dave Sterling. By the way, Alan Gregg's also been here. Oh, okay, great. So he won't remember this, but I knew him.

Maybe through Jake Gold? Yeah, that'll do it. Management company. Right, right. Partners of the hip. Right. So I guess it was through Jake. So I knew Alan, like via email,

like, hey, I was a blonde lady at the point, you know, whatever. I was in the milk ads. That's how I would introduce myself. Do you know anybody? And I said, I knew the names who I wanted to meet. And he connected me. He got in touch with the big wigs, which was probably Tom Freston and I think John Sykes at the time.

Of course. And then I ended up, I just set up some interviews. And when I went down, they were thrilled because up until then they were really getting models. The girls, they had these models who were pretending they knew how to interview bands. And they were like, oh, wow, here's a woman who can actually interview bands, right? And you're easy on the eyes. I'm just throwing it out there. It doesn't hurt.

It doesn't hurt, Rebecca, when you're going to VH1 and that you're easy on the eyes. Well, that's very kind. I don't know. I had, I was a little bit like in my, I had like short brown, just trust me, okay. Just take that compliment and go.

Thank you. I'm not good with the comments. Anyway, so he, I went down there and I interviewed and then decided, you know, went, it was like MTV or VH1, figuring out where to go and I got an agent. You know, they said,

actually, They didn't even want it. They were like, okay, you need to make some decisions and figure out what you want to do, but we want you to choose an agent. So they connected me with three different big agencies because they didn't want me doing the deal. They didn't trust me. I guess I seemed flaky or something. So, and then I chose VH1 because at the time I was very interested in behind the music.

I really liked that sort of documentary style. I was getting more into I don't want to just talk to pop like about, you know, Britney Spears's new album. them I wanted to get a little deeper. So, and I also thought, you know what, I'm aging out of the MTV generation. I was in my late 20s and I want to go and, you know, I want to be doing content and producing stuff for people my age. So that's where I went.

I ended up at VH one. Okay. Rebecca Rankin was great. I love these stories of the much personalities who then went to the U.S. Because like Juliet Powell, we got a bit of this. Yeah. Yeah, B.H. Another person is Karina Huber.

I was just looking, I think she was like a much more music. Yeah, I think that's right. Because I remember she popped up on CBS Your Morning or something. But am I the only one here who just refused to watch much more music because it was for like old people? No. I watched it. I don't watch any of it.

There was a couple of good like intimate and interactives that I remember. Both hosted by Bill Willichka. There was a Gordon, Gordowny solo one. I'll talk about that a little bit more later. Oh, wow. And he also hosted one with Prince that was on, I believe. That's right. Yeah.

I feel like the clips are pretty viral for one, like big, big views. Yeah. And they would show like behind the music and stuff. Like they would have a lot of the VH1 content. Yeah. Pop-up video, yeah, most notably. I liked pop-up videos, obviously. And I do remember behind the music, which I enjoyed,

but I prefer The Simpsons behind the laughter. Do you guys remember that? this parody? Yes. Yes, of course. He doesn't do comedy. Richard Casso. Have you ever met Richard Casso? No. I became friendly with him as at Twitter. You should have him down here. See, he's a good guy.

I obviously, that's how you get something on. You get to broker the deal. I'll tell him. So Rebecca Rankin from the milk ads to the rapid fact. Fascinating career. And obviously really, really... Oh, but we didn't... Do you have any more clip? You have no more clip. I have no more clips from here. Can I speak to my favorite

part of the episode? Please do. Thank you. her ex-husband. Well, yeah, I wanted to, I was going to get there. Well, you want to do it? No, no, no, no. You got a better voice than I do. I feel like you should do it. Well, we all have a few words on her ex-husband.

So I, you know, I had a good rapport with Rebecca. And I'm, now we're in like the setup mode. I like the setup, my guess sometimes, right? So I'm like, oh, has, because her ex-husband, father of her child, a cinematographer, extraordinary. I said, as he worked on any movies I might have heard of. any movies we might have heard of.

And Rebecca says, like, it doesn't even skip a beat. She just says, no, nothing you've ever seen. Okay? And I think we had some playful exchange where I said, is it Steven Spielberg?

And then she kind of worked with that or whatever. Ha, ha, ha, ha. Anyway, I'm here to disclose to the listenership for the first time I'm here to tell you. Rebecca Rankin's ex-husband. Okay. Is Steven Spielberg's go-to cinematographer

works on almost every movie Steven Spielberg is made. and he has won, not one, he has won two Oscars for Best Cinematography for a couple of movies you may have seen. Are you ready? Yeah. Schindler's List. Yeah. Okay.

And saving Private Ryan. Yeah. Those are the movies nobody's seen. I've actually never seen. Oh, wow. Are you fucking, you've never seen Shinler's List, Shinler's List or saving Private Ryan? Nope. That's a mind blow.

That's six miserable hours you have ahead of you. Anyway, yeah. You know what? Which movie do you think is more rewatchable? I have a thought on this, but they're both amazing films. I mean, yeah, saving private Ryan is probably more rewatchable. I agree. Schindler's list is fucking.

Because Schindler's list is tough. It's happy. And it's black and white, except for the red dance. Yeah, I mean, it's an incredible film. But that's, yeah, that's saving private Ryan. Just a selection of other, Yanuz Kaminsky is his name. He was a cinematographer. Cool as Ice, the Vanilla Ice

Vehicle. Yep, yep. Shalbraid and Listen. Schindler's list, of course. Jerry McGuire. It's a leap. Show me the money. Oh, and the real Jerry McGuire

was on the show this past quarter. That's right. The Lost World, Jurassic Park. Oh, I like that. Amistad. That's a good movie. These are all Steven Spielberg movies. I think that's kind of a flop.

That guy, though, was in ER. I remember that actor from, like an ER. Oh, yes. Yeah. Juman Hunsu, I believe his name is. Good actor. AI, Artific. intelligence, minority report.

Catch me if you can. But AI, we should point out, he was finishing the work for a director who died. I've heard my minority report. That's supposed to be a good. I enjoyed that. It was great.

Yeah, he's got like a big run of Spielberg. Catch me if you can. The Terminal, War of the World's Munich. Okay. I've seen some of us. And Munich's great. Yeah.

Julian Schnabels, diving bell in the butterfly. Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal skull. Sucks. Sucks. It's really bad. Moore, Spielberg, Adventures of Tintin,

Warhorse, and Lincoln. You know, I've never seen Warhorse. I haven't either, actually. But I saw Lincoln because I got to see all the Daniel Day Llew. Sorry, The Adventures of Lincoln? No, Tintin. Tintin. Which was a cartoon, the story comes.

The Fableman's, which was a recent. Which is like a biopic on it. And then Disclosure Day, which was his most recent. Which I have not seen yet. I saw it. It was fine. But there's the guy who made, didn't make anything you've ever seen. Yeah, nothing you've ever seen.

That's next level response. Okay. You guys have seen the documentary capturing the Friedman's. It's exceptional. Yes. One of my favorite. A disturbing story. One of my favorite dogs.

Oh, he also was cinematographer on an Ariana Grande video. Oh. I hate that I made you love me. You got to tighten that. How do they mean? Do we know? No, I don't know. I don't think she wants to talk about it, to be honest.

Clearly. They're no longer. Dismade by that relationship. Okay. So, as we go to the next episode, we're going to talk about it. I will just say, what a wild journey it was to get Lana Turner on very quickly before my son's soccer practice. And there was,

it was during a toast episode that you had a phone call with her to work through some scheduling issues. Yes, right, right, right, right. So it was toast and Lana Turner on the same day. Eric Vallette was exciting to learn about the theaters in the city. I enjoyed that episode. Michael Longfield was a quick and dirty bike lane thing.

I'm not sure we got much info out of that one. But Amber Morley came back. Of course, she's running, and she's our counselor, Tyler Campbell. Russell DeCarle was very good from Prairie Oyster. So we're skipping over that. Karen Stince made her Toronto make debut. She was great.

I saw a graphic of this little event you're doing. Oh, yeah. Stints and Nick Iini. Well, yeah, this is similar to the Bradford. Similar to the Bradford event. No dirty money changing hands here. Big grin. There was no money changing hands in the first one, Mr. Campbell.

I never get any of this money. I do send an invoice to Nick and Nick pays it. Yes. So I'm a hired gun on this. I'm happy to be there on October 7th at the old mill. Tickets are free. But also, speaking of Paris Black and Kathy Young and these characters, Ted Axe is right in that.

Ted Axe came on because of Paris Black as well. Indeed. Right, right. Ted Axe. He's, he's making the claim that he was the lead singer of Canada's first punk band out of Ottawa. Dubious. So Jim Moore can chime in on whether that's true or not.

But I will say also we skipped over. He's so good, so consistently good, we don't consider him for these. top 15s because he's always great. Stu Stone. Of course. Okay. Must listen. I mean, we love Stu. He'll be listening and say, why am I not making the list? It's because he's always exceptional.

Well, we did feature a Stu clip last quarter. And we may hear from the man again. Was this the quarter you met Samoa Joe again? Yep, that's right. I saw the documentary. I saw the documentary at the Necro butcher. Was it the Royal Theater? I can't remember where I was.

Because I was just at the review cinema in Ronsies, where I, where I did see some Stu Stone movies. I was there to see Hayden on Wednesday night. Was it? Oh, yeah. You saw that and the next day you're mentioning the necro butcher to Rebecca Rankin. Like there was someone who's like really inappropriate. I think it was Rebecca Rankin.

It was. Well, I just learned about necro butcher. I didn't know he existed until I watched this dark side of the ring. Freaky looking dude. And some FOTMs joined me. I think I want to say Canada Keb was there. Was Andrew Ward there? Definitely Nadia was there.

Anyway, some good FOTM. I have a hillbilly type guy. Yeah, yes. Yes. He fit right in on Lake Shore. Good name. Yeah. All right, go ahead.

Okay. Next up is a sports writer. A lot of your earlier episodes were very sports writer heavy. You've kind of moved away from that because probably because you've covered most of them. Right. But this was one that was brand new. Mike Gantor. Yes. Not Mike Gartner.

Treated for Glenn Anderson. That's right. I still never. Now, Gartner, that's another example because they traded for Lynn Anderson and the Rangers won the cup that year. That's a good one. Capriose ring, right? That's right. And he was pretty good for the Leafs.

Yeah, he was good. Scored 30 goals, a couple, a couple times. Well, that's money. He's like, he's the Joe Carter of hockey. Yes, that's a great analogy. Joe is going to get you 100 RBI's and 30 home runs every season. Mike Gardner's getting your goal. In the bank.

You know what you got. Yeah. Say your watch. Consistent like a Stu Stone episode of Toronto Mike. Now, Mike Gantner on the other hand. Mike Gantir. Well, I had all the sports guys from the sun. They don't turn over very often either.

But I was missing two. Yeah. I think I was missing two. But one just said like a hard no, but Mike was still available. Frank Zichorelli. He's not coming over. He said no, because he's too, he's too raw for podcast. Basically, he can't filter himself.

Unbridled Stalin. Daryl Dahmer told me the same thing. I've got some shitty opinions and I can't keep him to myself. He's too busy. Darylomer and I had a great phone call where he's, explained he's unable to filter, therefore he cannot come on the time of my fucking trust.

I mean, he managed to filter out of the chopper. That's right. For a hundred years. But I guess he was only on for like 30 seconds at a time. But he was able to keep it all bottled up up there. He never cursed.

He never swore. He can come over here and do that. Sort of Furgie Oliver. You're goddamn right. S. S. I don't want to say it. Canada can't just wanted to say take down that.

Ted Rogers statue at the dome. I think a lot of people think, like, maybe put up a statue of Joe Carter or something. Why is Ted Rogers? You're goddamn right. And they did just that. They did. They listened to Fergie. We have a snack. Is that okay?

All right, so play the Mike Gantor. I'm a friend of Rob Delmundo, as I recall. Yes, Mike Gantor with an amusing story about a former Blue Jay. Can I go one more with the another one's Nixon story? Because I was Cedogastin

and I probably shouldn't tell this but I'm going to anyway You got it you're in Toronto Mike Yeah So we're in It's a road trip in Kansas City And I end up in a It's back in the days

When we were still traveling On the charter with the team So you were a lot closer And you're in the same hotels And I go into a lobby bar In this Kansas City hotel And I meet one of the radio texts He used to work for Tom

Jerry, Bruce, Bruce Brenner. Oh, of course. I listened to a lot of Tom and Jerry. I heard that name a million times. So Bruce Brenner was the guy who hung the wires and made them sound good. There he is, fan, 1430. 1430. So he would, and Bruce says, come on, let's go to this other one. And I go, no, I'm going to stay in the hotel.

He goes, no, no, there's another one here in the hotel. I go, no, there's not. He goes, yeah, there is. So we go up to the ninth floor and he opens these two doors and there's a bar. And there's only two people in the bar, three, including the bartender. And it's Cito and Mel Queen, who is the pitching coach. And I kind of take a step back because Cito didn't like to drink with the media. And so Bruce goes, no, no, come on in, come on in.

And we go in and Cito goes, he goes, just the rule, right? Anything here, you can't write about it. And I was like, yeah, yeah. And then he started quizzing me about what I knew about his team. And he said, there is a player on this team who has come into my office. And he said, Charlie O'Brien is a clubhouse lawyer. and he is bad-mousing you, would you like me to take care of that?

And the intention was physically, and he said, and he goes, who do you think that player was? And I guess 12, 13, 14, 14, 15 names before, and it was Otis Nixon. Wow. And Otis was like, don't worry, Skip, I got your back. Wow.

You know what? Barry me and Otis Nixon's stories. Yeah. It's funny. Again, I love stories like that because it tells you about the individual and what good people they were and he was a decent guy.

Otis Nixon. Amazing. Just unearthing. But that would be a really interesting fight. Because you got the catcher, you got the coked out speed demon guy. Otis was ready to cut Charlie O'Brien. I was just showing Tyler, like remember when he went missing a couple of years ago? Yeah, like about 10 years ago. Hell of a player. Also former Expo. That's great. Yeah. Sean O'Sullivan too went missing as I recall.

Yeah. Rick Leach. Oh yeah. Rick Leach for sure. M. I.A. Yeah. Right. Did you guys know Otis Nixon briefly married to Candy Station? Really? Yeah, for like two years.

Like after his playing career. Like 2010, they divorced in 2012. You know, neither, you know, the two jam kickers for their birth year, Andy Pandy and Leslie, have, uh, neither of them have seen Schindler's list or Saving Private Ryan. Huh. Okay.

Now, saving Private Ryan is a dude movie. It is. I'm just saying there is a definitely, definitely, uh, there's a larger percentage of women who have not seen it. Yeah. For whatever reason. It's like stars. War movies are often the dudes.

But Schindler's List, how do you not see Shindler's List? Yeah. Elaine, Elaine made out. That's right. Wasn't it Jerry? Or was Jerry that was big out during Shinders. That's right.

I was going to the same place. So it's either, I'm either going to Seinfeld or Simpsons on most of these things here. But I'm shocked that there are like 50, 40, 50, 60 year old people who are like from Canada, speak English. and have not seen either Schindler's list or saving private Ryan. That's a mind blow. Yeah, it is. Can I say a repeat comment about that clip we just heard?

Like we said, talked about the Bob Elliott and like. Rob Elliott. Like you said, these stories of like the access they used to get. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Like could you imagine just anybody getting close to anybody on the James? No, no, no, not anymore. To this extent.

Like they're just like total firewalls. Like they would just go when they were on the road. they would just go out to like a bar and drink. Yeah, or they're like traveling on the plane with the guys and they're like being shit-faced on the plane. Or just hang out. You heard that CETO rule. You know, anything you hear these places can't be published. I would love like just bury me in all the stories you learned but weren't allowed.

I feel like on X, which I'm not a fan of, you know that. Sure. Ever since the great Cam Gordon was musked. Formerly the bird site. Right. Yeah. There was a conversation. Somebody tweeted at Marty York.

about when he coming back on Toronto Mike, then he said something like, I'm ready when he is or something. And then I, like an idiot, I kind of bit on this and I wrote, I'm game. So I think Marty York is going to come back. So we got some like too much for much.

Wow. Too much, yeah, this is fresh. Too much for much stories came from Marty York in the past. Yeah. Regarding Paul Molitor and others. That's right. Right, right, right. Charlie O'Brien, also the innovator of the

mask. I remember. Catchers mask. Yeah. I remember. Oh, I remember, brother. He was decent, right? He was okay. We got him at the end of this career, right?

Yeah, yeah, decent back. We got old man, Charlie. I feel like he got in a big fight when he was on the Mets. Yeah, there was a really big brawl. That sounds right. In the middle of it. Yeah. Scirmish.

That's baseball. Okay. How about that? More like base brawl. That's very good. There was almost a brawl in game two of the, uh, semifinals of the WPBL. Oh, really?

Heights were chirping at the Queens. The New York Heights were chirping at... I watched these games. There was an episode last quarter with Ashton Lansdell, which was really a WPBL podcast episode. The Queens ended up winning, right. But Ayami Sato, I guess the culture in Japan is you don't chirp the other team. Like, there's a huge culture.

And I guess nobody's chirping Ayami in the IBL, where we watched her last summer, because she's a woman. I believe that because this is a men's league, this is the only woman. Nobody was really chirping her for that. So the WPBL, the Heights, led by Deney Benitez, who was tied with Kelsey Whitmore for the home run championship. Maybe. So Deney Benitez and her team were really chirping at the Queens,

and Ayami Sato was so upset with this disrespect. She went on social media to shit all over it. Oh, wow. And there was a moment where I actually thought we were going to get the first bench clearing brawl in WPBL history. That would have been. something. The Queens won in three. It was a best of best of five. The Queens,

no, sorry, best of three. The queens, yes, best of three. The Queens won in three, two to one in that series, and then went on to win the championship in a best of five. They won in five games. And the Queens are your WPVL champions. And Sato pitched a complete game. First complete game in the history of the

WPVL. It's a very offensive league. Is it, how many innings do they play? Seven. Seven innings. And a lot of scores are like, 13 to 8. Oh, wow. Like, it's a lot of offense. A lot of people, they're only 15 games,

but a lot of players batted over, too many players batted over 400, but it is in 15 games. So a complete game shutout, which Iami Sato pitched. Very impressive. Unheard of. Literally unheard of.

Yeah. Amazing. Okay. Okay. Shout out to Mike Gartner. Cantor. Yes, I know. He's a son of a bitch.

Both of them. Moving on to the gentleman that you and I saw last night, Joe Mike. We've been busy. Formerly of Monty Python, John Cleese. Oh, yes, we did see him. Yes. Some great moments.

It was a very short episode. You had 20, 25 minutes with him. Yeah. But some nice moments in there. You made him laugh quite heartily. Yes, I did. That clip is available on YouTube. I encourage you to seek it out.

Toronto Mike makes John Cleese laugh. Yeah, exactly. And then this was a bit of a mind blow for me. You asked him about a couple of Toronto comedy troops that had clearly been influenced by Monty Python. And here's what John had to say about them. There's one more Toronto troop I want to ask you about. And they're called Kids in the Hall.

And I'm curious about your awareness of Kids in the Hall because it was a major influence on me. I have never seen them, but I keep being told that I should. And the truth is, like, at my great age, I don't spend a lot of time watching comedy, you know, partly because I've been doing it for so long, but not much of it surprises me.

It's all okay, but it's nothing special. It's very unusual to discuss and suddenly discover an Eddie or Susie Isard, for example, or a Bill Hicks. That hasn't happened to me for a long time. If somebody likes to set some shows up and show them to me, I'll be delighted to see them, but I can't be bothered to look for them. Yeah, their heyday was actually early 90s, so you weren't such an old man back then,

but I got to broker this deal between kids in the hall and you, so I'll work on this. All right. Well, when I come on your show to do a long interview and a good gossip because we like each other, we'll talk about it. Is that happening in VPM? I don't know.

Is that in the calendar? I should have gone on the mics last night and asked him. You should have. You told me we're going to have a long chat and we're going to gossip. Maybe come down to Palma Pasta. It's not in November 28th from noon to 3 p.m. I could see it. It'll probably happen.

Yeah. Be there. But that's one charming and funny transphobic person, right? Yes. Yes. Did we acknowledge yet that I spent time. earlier in the day having a wonderful conversation with Nico Stratus.

Yeah. Transgender woman. Yeah. And then later that day, I spent a long time with John Cleese. Noted transphobic person. Multitudes. Yeah.

You're going to Karen Stinson. The irony is not lost, I mean. In that clip, Marty York's coming on. Yeah. Something for everyone. He mentions Eddie Izard, who identifies as gender fluid,

who is someone he always, obviously respects. And then under your questioning, later on goes on to repeat his very dated and ignorant views on trans people. Yeah, it's very much like an animal kingdom stuff. Like, sex.

Would Bill Hicks have aged well? Probably not. I think, like I feel like he was sort of probably pretty popular, but like sort of the Jorogan crowd. Yeah, yeah. Sort of like a,

um, uh, libertarian sensibility. Exactly. Yeah. Exactly. Um, you know,

I thought you did. a good job sort of navigating that conversation. You let him state his views and kind of, you know, gave him enough rope to do what he needed to do. But I also found it interesting last night, you know, there was a Q&A afterwards. Yeah. And he, he didn't get into his views on trans people, but he did talk about woke, quote unquote, yeah, as regards to censorship. And he talked about comedy that punches down and intentionally seeks to hurt people. And he clearly said that that was bad. Yeah.

And, uh, sort of celebrated the, the kind and compassionate element of the woke movement. Again, his words, not mine. Um,

so there's some, really some cognitive dissonance happening there. Like, you know, I feel like he's, if he's curious enough, he could probably get to a place of understanding on, on trans people,

but being 89 or whatever he is, it's probably not going to happen for him. Um, probably so. Yeah, I think so. Although I did, like after that recording,

I only had the 20 minutes or whatever, I did have a moment of like, I should have asked him if he's ever had like a one-on-one conversation with a trans woman. Right. Like, I'm naturally curious, has he ever, you know,

had a private one-on-one convo with a trans woman? Right. Yeah, I would. I would. Because his, the fact is to reiterate is he doesn't, he doesn't want Nico Stratus to use the woman's restroom.

Right. Which is such a hokey, like, straw man scenario. Like, you know, the, the,

the, the instances, of trans women using a woman's bathroom and causing distress are... It's probably zero. In the single digits, I would venture against. Like, does this concern you? Like, does this impact you at all? Yeah.

Where did this come from originally? Like, was this like in the Guardian or something? Or do you guys know? I can't remember where it came up in... Because even I sort of knew this like before he came on. Yeah. I think it came up... I think it came up in relation to J.K. Rowling.

He was in those movies. Yeah. Okay. And because obviously she is very vocal about her. Yeah. And I think he was pretty active on Twitter at times while I was there. So maybe it was sort of through them. By the way, if you revisit Mrs. Doubtfire, there is some casually transphobic content in Mrs.

Yeah. Same with Ace Ventura pet detective. Oh, that's for sure. Oh, that's 100%. That's fairly casual. Yeah, yeah. And like police. Let's not get into the crying game over here.

Okay. All right. So I, all and all, you know, he did clarify his controversial thoughts on that topic. Yes. Double-down. But I'm glad I had the combo with John because it was tough. To me, it's like, it's one thing that this is on Zoom, it's another thing to say 20 minutes. So 20-minute Zoom, I'm now looking like, is this an A-plus? Like, it's got to be an A-plus for 20 minutes on Zoom. Well, again, this was discussed at the time. Is this the most objectively famous F-O-TM? Well, you tell me, Hamill. I think he's in the running. Yeah, like top, top two or three.

Like I get up there with Peter Gross. I was going to say Chuck D or John Cleese. Well, John Cleese, I think is more famous than Chuck D because Chuck D is a hip-hop star. Right. Yeah. A little more niche. John Cleese, like a fish called Wanda, Monty Python, Faulty Towers, massive. Yeah.

And has been in Harry Potter movies. Although it's kind of nerdy stuff. I mean, to be honest, now that I think about it, that whole world of Monty Python on faulty towers, even a fish called Wanda. It is kind of a, kind of a, it's not broad. Well, I was going to say, like, he's not, Dolly Pardin. I was going to say he's not even like a Dudley Moore.

Who did have like, Arthur and Ten. Yeah, because I don't think any of those things, like Fish Called Wanda, yes, but like the rest of it sort of more like a cult. Yeah, like Ricky Jervais is way more famous than John Cleese. Yes. Yeah. I mean, he hosts the Golden Globes, for example. John Cleese isn't at that level.

Yeah, interesting. And is it the only competitor to the global fame of John Cleese? Is the only competitor, Chuck D? I'm going to ask, God, I can't believe I'm going to say, ask ChatGPT. Just objectively, who's most famous? Ask ChatG, our friend, Chat, GPT, who is the most globally, who is the most? And I'm just throwing this out there.

The 100 meter, I'm just saying, it is the biggest Olympic event. And the world knows, most people in the world do know the Olympic. champion for 100 meters. And if you were the fastest man in the world for a period and the gold medal at the Olympics holder, that would make you rather famous globally for a certain person who could remember 1996.

Sure. Okay. So this is the prompt. Okay. Objectively, who is the most globally famous? John Cleese or Chuck D, you must choose one. Oh, okay. I like this. Okay. Okay. What do you think I think that's going to say

John Cleese. What do you think? I think it's going to say Chuck D. If the question is specifically global name recognition amongst the general public, shout out to ranking, Roger, rather than influence within music or hip-hop, I'd choose Cleese. Okay. And then it gave a bunch of reasons. But why don't you ask Chad GPT, your best friend in the world?

Why don't you ask Chad GPT, who is the most globally famous guest in Toronto Mike's history? Chad GPT knows about me. Sure. Yeah. Well, it's also like it might be crawling. Okay, you do that. Thanks, I'm just here to say, John Cleese was a big deal because a lot of people were very excited. I talked to him.

And then I always tried to like tamper it. Like, oh, it was just Zoom. He was in London, England. It was just 20 minutes. Like, I spent a lot of energy downplaying the John Cleese thing. Because I don't believe, even though I was in the room with him yesterday, I don't believe I ever met John Cleese. He was quite keen to have a longer chat with you. Can you follow up, VP of Sales, will you follow up with the John Cleese people?

I want to make that happen. Well, he was doing shows, I think, in Kitchener and Hayes. Hamilton, so maybe you can I would drive there. You can get to the hammer and have a chat with Oh, I will do it. Why is he doing this tour? Like, does it, he needs,

because he needs the money to pay his multiple ex-wives. Is that okay? Yeah, he's making some cash. Is that okay with you? Yeah, yeah. You're at fucking 299, 299 Queen hawk and books.

Got a problem with commerce. Okay. You're going to be in Ottawa doing book events. Okay. Honestly, I really think, like this is going to be... I really do think we should get these episodes down to two hours.

I know. I'm doing, I'm doing my part. We're almost doubling. I'm getting these clips down, you know. Can I go do the top 10? Please do quickly. Objectively famous.

I'm going to do these quick. Globally famous. Okay. Is there subjectively famous for Chad Cheapy? No. Okay. So number 10, we're going to go descending order. Number 10 is Stephen Page.

Really? I'm surprised. Jan Arden. Really? Well, she's not been a guest. Oh, yeah. Jan Arden's never been a fucking guest, Chad, Gipt, you piece of shit. Number.

What else you got there? What? Number 8. is Rick Mercer. Yes, he was a guy. Number seven is Gord Downey. No boy.

See, that's two. Two of the first four fucking names I've never been on Channel May. Number six, what's you got? Number six is snow. Who?

Snow. Oh, snow is a very globally famous. Number five is G. Gino finale. No, snow is way for some.

Can you say, globally, snow is way bigger than Gino, right? Number four, Ray Dong Chong. Oh, that's a big one.

Reference is Quest for Five. Okay, I'm with it. Number three, mid-year. Mid-year did make a big song, but he's not a no-one name. He's not a known name. My mom doesn't know mid-year. Number two, Jason Priestley, Brandon. That's a big one.

Yeah, and number one, Chuck D. Amazingly, John Pleas. Doesn't even make the list. Maybe we haven't, maybe chat GPT doesn't know that. And sort of honorable mentions to Brett Bud, Beth Nick. Oh, my God. Brad Butt's known by some Canadian. Joe Carter midgear and while they would not put

William Shatner on the list he deserves a mention William William Shatner's on that fucking list they said Where would Bruce Colburn rank So if Michael J. Fox doesn't count Although his sister was just on

a show I produce It's like I'd let nor does Neil Young I think that's funny Because Gore Downey of course Would have been a dream come true Of course yeah And what was the other one they said Oh, Jan Arden.

Just fucked me over on Twitter. See, I see stuff like this. She'll have to beg. Jan Arden will have to fucking beg to come on Toronto. Yeah, Jan Arden. That's where we're at with that. Okay, next because we... Oh, my God.

See, I do laugh. I do like... Oh, you laugh. Yeah. You have a good sense of humor. Thank you. You're just not pro humor. Right.

Okay. Let's move on. All right. Third time guest, Colin de Mello. Oh, yeah. In the basement for a great chat. My buddy. very expansive discussion about the life of a reporter, especially in the age of Doug Ford.

Yeah. And he really had some interesting things to say about his personal, well, professional relationship with the premier. I've caught the premier sometimes in a great mood. And I didn't even have to end the sentence and he just gave up all the answers, right? This was, we were, I want to say, in Waterloo. and I had just learned that the government was going to do something with the Ontario Science Center. We didn't know exactly what, but we were hearing some rumblings.

The Premier was in a great mood that day. I just asked him, I said, hey, Premier, I hear there's some news on the Science Center. Care to tell us what's going on? And he said, well, I don't want to get ahead of King of Surma who's going to make an announcement. But yeah, we've got some great plans. And that's kind of all I needed, right? But it was because I kind of judged what kind of mood he was in and then attack the question from that aspect. So, you know, when you're hearing a journalist ask a question, don't necessarily think that because it's not to the degree of toughness that you would want it to be,

that they're not asking it in the right or the most appropriate way to elicit the best response out of the individual. But like you mentioned depends on the mood. I get a shiver just thinking, oh, everything, it depends on the mood. But like, let's say the premier is a bit cranky. having a bad day. Will you keep that question in your back pocket for a better opportunity? Or do you know what questions you're going to ask when given the opportunity, regardless of mood? Maybe the mood just alters the way you present the question. No, you know, sometimes, sometimes I have to change the question on the fly in the moment. And, you know, I'm formulating the question kind of as

I'm asking it. Right. I think with this Premier in particular, anyone who's who's watched kind of the relationship between Doug Ford and myself knows that we have an odd relationship. We have an odd, odd relationship. I think the premier, you know, often responds differently to me than he does to others. I don't know why that always is. But can you elaborate? What do you mean? I'll give you an example.

So, you know, when the skills development scandal was happening at Queens Park, right? This is a multi-billion dollar fund. And the government was facing a lot of questions and a report from the auditor general about how they were disseminating that that money and whether some of that money was going whether there was favoritism at play here and whether all the the the recipients were deserving of that that funding right there was kind of a risk matrix or a matrix to score each individual applicant and how were they scored versus you know whether some people who were scored low were getting money anyway etc etc the premier holds a scrum and you know there was another reporter who

wanted to ask a skills development fund question. They literally said the word, hey, Premier, on the skills development fund, and he kind of cuts them off and goes right into his talking points about the skills development fund. A few minutes later, he allows me to ask a question, and he doesn't interrupt. He lets me speak kind of at length. It's a thorny question. It's asking specifically why, you know, his campaign manager, who also runs a lot of lobbying firm, why their firm was able to get on behalf of their clients about $100 million

worth of money from the Skills Development Fund. And the question, the way I was posing it was a provocative way, but he let me get through the entire question. I was very surprised by that. Recently when, you know, the Premier was in a lot of hot water over the purchase of that $28.9 million jet. Right. Right. I looked at him and I asked him about his personal brand, right? But I was looking to walk a very fine line. And so I said to him, I said, you know, Premier, your family has worked very hard in this brand. I said, your, your brother in particular, has worked very hard on being, you know, the guy who'll stop the gravy train and the guy who's always there for the little people. I said, do you feel like you've damaged your brand with them? Now, it's anytime you bring up the Premier's

brother, it's an incredibly sensitive topic. But, for some reason, he gives me kind of the space to be able to ask that question. Now, I'm not asking it in a rude way. I'm being, I'm being, you know, I'm modulating my delivery, I'm modulating my voice, so that I'm asking it in a gentle way, almost a therapist kind of way. And he accepts it. He accepts the question, and he interacts with the question. He'll answer the question.

And so I don't know always why he does it, but, you know, I know that other members of the gallery also recognize sometimes when I'm asking a question, there's this weird, I don't want to call it a bond, but there's this, there's this, you know, weird relationship that we have.

Doug Ford should treat every journalist the way he treats Colin DeMell. Indeed. And Colin DeMell gives good podcast. Yeah. Always great guest. Very polished. Yeah.

A polished speaker. And he's very, like, within reason, he's pretty honest and forthcoming. Yeah. He did, I think a couple of listener questions came in asking about Tina Yazdani. And he sort of demurred on that. But yeah, no, he's great.

And that one was a longer clip. But I thought it was really interesting just to hear Colin talking about the kind of rapport that he's built. Yeah, but don't you think that Doug should just treat everybody that way? Oh, he allows me to finish the question. Yeah, of course. And he, no, let every reporter finish the question. MF everybody and then let them complete their sentence and then give them the respect to answer it best you can.

Don't just give Colin DeMello this special treatment and treat everybody else like they're like an annoyance or a nuisance. This is a democracy. God damn it. I feel like that's just how. And he's, I believe he's the head of the press gallery. Is he not? Colin DeMellon.

Is he Doug Ford? Yeah. Yeah. I guess he is. Ultimately. Yeah. All right, great episode, but we're cooking of gas now next. Okay.

Honestly. Okay. Bradford fucking how. Bradford fucking how. What a great. What a great chat. You know, clearly. And he was right after Colin.

Yes. Yeah, the very next episode. Clearly has listened extensively to the podcast. You might even call him a real head. I think he's listening right now. He might be. He might be. He's in our WhatsApp group.

He has joined our WhatsApp group. Yeah. That's a big deal. Yeah. That's huge. So yeah, great chat. And similar to the chat you had earlier with Rebecca Rankin, you sort of got into his U.S. career. So let's hear Bradford on that.

How did we lose Brad Howe much music VJ? So it was just, it was the end of my contract. And so I, I packed up my stuff and had my goodbye show and hosted my EC and collected my things. And then I went to put my shingle back out there. And I went down to, you know, I had some connections in at MTV and VH1 and was in touch with them. And they were buying what I was supplying. Who were your connections there? So at the time, so back then it would have been some names, Rod Asa was, and he was, I believe, the creator of the Osbournes.

Oh, that was a big one. An amazing, an amazing guy named Vinnie Potastivo was his assistant. At VH1, it was Tara, Tara Flanagan. And then also at VH1, it was Stacey Alexander. Okay. And so there was an opportunity to come and work with VH1, which I automatically jumped at. Well, yeah, I mean, so you moved to New York, right?

Yeah, so I was, yeah, I was going to be L.A. or New York? York and then I think they called an audible and I was New York based. Okay. And I woke up one morning in Toronto and I went to bed that night in New York City. Wow. Okay. And Rob Pruse moved you. Eventually, yeah.

Years later, I would move. Rob Proust moved the nation with his creative output. And then I moved Rob. From Manhattan to Queens. Yeah. Okay. So now you're at VH1. VH.

Which is, you know, we didn't get VH1. I guess you know that, of course. but okay, we had much more music here with Bill Willitschka here. But you were hosting with Rachel Perry. That's right. So Rachel Perry, I know from much music. That's right. So she, I believe she went down in the summer of 2001, I think.

Okay. Or maybe could have been- I like Rachel Perry. Yeah, she's great. I think Rachel Perry should be an FOTAM. Have you tried? Have you reached out? I haven't tried yet.

I just thought of it now. I've got to get Perry on the program. You should. You got to. Okay. Yeah. So anyway, long story, sir, she ended up at VH1 and I ended up at, and then a year or two later, I ended up at VH1. And we got to host together. Yeah, that's so bizarre, though, you too much, much people hosting in the US of A. Well, my first trip, my first trip in Toronto was Thunder on Ice, which is snowmobile racing in Yellowknife.

Okay. And I went up there with Rachel and we interviewed, I believe, Widmouth Mason was there. Long John Baldry was there. White Mouth Mason, by the way, F-O-T-M band. Colin James, I think, was in? Oh, I'm going to do a second episode of him in the next couple of weeks. That happened. And then my first, one of my first gigs in VH1 was hosting the countdown with Rachel Perry again.

So she was a big part of a big first set to Much Music and VH1. That's, okay, mind blows here. Okay, so you're at, and again, now I'm cheating by looking at your bio here, but you're at VH1, because I didn't see any of this, but I just knew we lost Bradford Howe and he was on to bigger and better things in the US of A. Wow, good for him. Okay. But you were there for what? a year and a half. Yeah, a year and a half, two years, yeah.

Okay. Then why does it come for an end? Why does it come to an end for you at VH1? That was just another case of, it had just kind of run its course. And then, you know, we dissolved our creative partnership. Corporate speak there from Bradford now. Run its course after, you know,

I worked this great job in New York for a year and a half. It ran its course and resolved our creative, also known as I got just Uncoubting. Bradford Howe. It's funny. Great FOTM.

Hit it out of the park in his debut and I'm glad this episode made the list because he was fantastic. Kim Muth was very just likable. Yeah. Very likable. He had a good sense of humor and he got the show.

Yeah. These episodes are better and we'll talk about this later with Dave Rosencrantz. The episodes of Toronto Mike are best when the first time guest listens to the program. Yeah.

Ideally. Both him and Rebecca Rankin, similar, like them trying to navigate music television in the first years of this century. Right. When it was all sort of like the dying days of the format. Like, it's so interesting.

Absolutely. Because obviously VH1 much MTV, these weren't what they once were. No, and Bradford did. They're trying to find their place. Didn't do any milk ads. No, we did not. No. Okay.

Came in with energy. Came in with intention. He came in like he was born and he denied. I think I would have let him zoom in and he denied it. He said, no. No, that was worth weight. tall?

Yeah. Yeah. He was tall. Okay. I have a proposal for you. Everyone's tall tall. Compared to me. Oh,

not everyone. Okay. I don't think you're short. I have a proposal for you. Thanks, man. You seem, give me a kiss. You seem agitated.

You seem like... Do I? You seem like you're anxious to wrap it up. You need to be somewhere? No, I'm not anxious to wrap it up. I don't want to make a sound like that. I'm just going to point out if I look to my file right now, we are two hours and 22 minutes deep.

Sure we are. Of course we are. Wow. Yeah. I have five clips to go. I'm happy to, we can cut that down to two if you would like. No, we'll just burn these five. You did the work, I want to hear them all.

Okay. And talk about them all. Don't worry. Okay. We don't really, we sort of let these be a natural way. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. I just wanted to make sure. But I had this problem because Blair, no, I don't mean to be agitated at all.

This is amazing work you guys do. You know, it's only Apple and Andy Pandy on the fucking line here. Leslie's there. Leslie, too. Apple. Apple, Mike Epple. Really? Well, not really.

He's not there, but he's listening. He's walking his dog or something. Does he have a dog? I think he does. Is he? Something like that. Okay. My back still hurts when I hear that word.

Okay. I would just say that I had this talk of Blair Packum. Rewinder was getting unruly, and I actually said, no, Rewinder is a two-hour show. Sure. And I went to great efforts, but it's easier to get rewinder down. What I might suggest for the next FOTM cast. Yeah.

And the three people listening are going to be angry at these words. maybe we don't have to do 15 episodes. I was going to suggest. I was going to suggest the same. How about the top 10? Yeah, I'm good with that. What do you say, Cam Gordon? Author of Track Changes?

I'm totally good with that, but also I feel like it being unwieldy is sort of part of... Kind of our sound, man. Yeah, it's right on the top. That's fine. No, I'm good with 10. I agree.

Well, we can discuss this. Yeah, we bring other episodes in the next. We're not back till January. Yeah, we got time to do. We get time to figure it. Okay, okay. So I don't mean to sound educated. Just wanted to clear the air.

I don't want you, I don't want to get a note from Ty the fucking Christmas guy that I hate Tyler Campbell. I took him to see noted homophobe. John Cleese last night. It was great. It was a great now. It was great to sit next to you in the dark. Should we tell the Humble? No, let's not tell the Humble and Fred's story.

Yeah, we can skip that one. Okay. Moving on to Weatherman, Extraordinary Chris Potter. And he was right after Bride. So we went, yeah. Colin DeMello, Brad Howard. Chris Potter, bang, bang, bang. Three in a row.

Heavy hitters. Boom. Sausage Fest. Back to back to back. Okay. Let's just hear Chris. Let's just hear. And Chris Potter was on the screens.

Everybody knows what you look like, what you sound like, and they tuned in for the weather. Okay. Another person delivering the weather on weekends was not a meteorologist. Her name is Patricia Jaggernav. Yeah.

Okay. Patricia, when she left, she quit Bell Media and filed quite a detailed grievance against Bell Media. Team Peter. I know she actually might have filed a human rights complaint and then rescinded it at some point when they kind of, so she no longer will speak about that, unfortunately.

But one of her grievances was that she wasn't paid the same as meteorologists at CP24. And I'm wondering, like, when I learned this news, to me, it made sense to me. Well, of course, because you don't have the meteorology degree. Someone else like Chris Potter does. So to me, it's just a guy who doesn't have any skin in the game. It seemed to make sense that a meteorologist would be. compensated higher because he's got the credentials versus just a person who is a presenter, as we were referring to them as.

What were your thoughts on these public statements made by Patricia Jack and off when she left CP24? I kind of had sympathy for her, to be honest. I mean, to be honest. No, to be completely honest, I was the one that kind of trained her to do the weather thing. Okay. And here's a difference with PJ. She actually cared.

Like, she actually cared about the weather. So if she had a curious question about the thunderstorms tomorrow, she would simply contact me. Yeah, but we're not questioning her passion. No, I know. But it's more about compensation. Like, should her compensation have been the same as someone with everything else being equal?

So this is an impossible hypothetical, but if all things being equal. I'll put it like this. And the only difference is this person went to Dow Housing and got a meteorology degree and this person did not. Should the compensation be the same? Um, here's the thing. No, no, I'm going to be, you're being very careful. No, I'm not being careful.

I'm just being honest. Me being a meteorologist is important truly about the forecasting. Right. If you're good on the air, that's what's relevant in terms of compensation. So all things being equal, same compensation, even though one's a meteorologist and one is not. Well, I mean, we all know about media. It's about viewers. It's about adverts.

It's about making money. And once people figure that out, I think everyone will be better. What's say you guys about that answer from Chris Potter, F-O-TM? Well, you go first. I'm just chewing. What are you eating? Cam's having a carrot. What are you eating?

Have some carrots on here. That's a healthy snack. I'm impressed. Yeah. Yeah, I mean. Keeps that figure. You know, to a certain point, who cares? But I wish they'd all get paid a lot.

Yeah, like, good for them. Yeah, you know, like, I think to Chris's point, like, you can kind of get weather anywhere. So if you're watching weather on TV, you want the presenter to be compelling and interesting. And so, sure, like, you want a personality more than a meteorologist, I think. That's strombo to the weather. I'm trying to think. What other news personalities, like, you need credentials that would dictate your compensation. And not like, oh, he's a former player.

So the in-store analyst. Like, I'm trying to think other categories. of like news reporting. Yeah. Because I think weather is news reporting. Business reporter, maybe. Like you need your, really though.

What do you need? What does Apple have? Is he you guys, Bachelor of Commerce? Apple, let us know your degrees. Yeah. What does Luskeeses have?

Happy capitalism. Yeah, like it is sort of like your securities like course designation or something. Like I don't think it works that way. It's sort of unique for weather. Yeah. And like when you're on the air giving the weather, like you're not getting.

deep into the science, right? You're just... And remember, who's the most popular weather network personality? It's Kim McDonald. He does not have a meteorology degree. Does Al Roker have he? Oh, he's the most famous weather person.

Like Al Roker? Yeah, Wade Duval. Willard Scott. He was, does Dave Duval a meteorologist? That's a good question. I bet like Harold Toussaint was. Oh, yeah. He was very adamant.

He told me to remember my umbrella. Speak of weather. I see Anwar Knight is running for office. Is that Mississaaga? Yeah. Keep me posted over there. I did talk to Palma Pasta owner, Anthony Pachuci, about the Mississauga mayoral race. Oh, right.

And he's supporting with great passion Carolyn Parrish. Did you see these videos going around? Like they had a debate, and Carolyn Parrish called Bonnie Crombie a blonde bombshell. Whoa. Bombshell? That's a compliment. Yeah. Well, not in this.

Not on this. She was said with derision. And then there was a clip where Carolyn Parish, looked like just got very animated and saying, why did you use that language? Wow. Okay, so Carolyn Parrish called, what's her name, Bonnie Cromby, a blonde bombshell?

She's saying, the staff here at City Hall is terrified of the possibility of this blonde bombshell coming back. Oh, like, like bombshell in, meaning she's going to cause a structure. Marilyn Monroe is a bombshell. Right. Yeah, in this context, I don't think it was a company. a tornado.

Do you guys speak of Carolyn Parrish? Do you remember, like, she's on a War of Wards with Tucker Carlson? I don't remember. And then there was something about, like, he was, like, sort of trolling her on air. Like, I think he was on CNBC. And then they had a follow-up segment where George Stromboloplus came to almost defend Canada's honor. I forget, it was something, I think it was about maybe. Was this wrestling?

No, I think it was maybe about Canada not participating after 9-11. Oh, interesting. And there was like some skirmish. Strombo who I saw on Saturday night. Yeah. I actually like Google this when I saw the clip last night. I couldn't find it. Okay, okay, okay.

Maybe it's a few of them. Well, keep us posted on that too. I've been hyper-focused on our Toronto. It's very important. Yeah. Just a quick note. Tyler's on Al Roker's Wikipedia. I just find it interesting that in the very first paragraph,

the last sentence of Al Roker's Wikipedia entry is he has the lapsed American Meteorology Society Television Seal of Approval, number 238. lapsed. What does that even mean? It means it's like a, they gave him an honorary degree. Yeah, but they, they did not renew it. Okay.

Okay. Okay. Keep us posted on that as well. Okay. So I want to say this about Chris Potter. I hope he's okay. Yeah. He,

he, he was very open about some of his challenges. But right off the top. Right off the top. You know, even I need a bit of the warm up, right? Yeah. We need a little build of rapport.

I meet him for the first time. But no, he wanted to get right to it. Yeah. And it was a lot. And, uh, I really hope he's okay.

Yeah. I mean, you know, he seems like he's dealing with it. He's making strides. He's, uh, but yeah, he's a good friend of Kim McDonald. Yeah. Speaking of. And, uh, he had shed some beef. Mm-hmm. And he was feeling good about that.

Yeah. And, uh, I liked the man very much. Quit smoking, quit drinking. But it was interesting to do Potter right after Howe. Like I did Demello, Howe, then Potter. Yeah, that was, uh, quite a week. What a run. What a run. Okay. Next.

All right. Uh, next. Next we move on to the world of music. Derek Downham, who is one of those guys in the Toronto music scene who seems to know everyone. Certainly very familiar and friendly with the great Blair Packham. By the way, we stopped doing that thing

where I tell you how they ended up on Toronto Mike. Oh, yes, please. Okay, so I reached out to Mike. How far back do I go? Hold on. I reached, I definitely, let me go back and just catch up on this. Dave LeBlanc reached out to me, Jerry Levitin. and a recommended Mysterion.

I asked Andy Wilson to get me Jane Brown, because Andy Wilson was on, and Jane Brown is his co-host, so that's how that happened. Andy Cregan was years of me trying to get him, and then he said, okay, Rebecca Rankin, I reached out to her. So I said, I want to talk to Rebecca Rankin.

Mike Gantor, I reached out to him. I pursued Mr. Gantor. John Cleese was a PR person who wanted to sell tickets for that thing we went to yesterday and said, and then she said, I can get you 20 minutes of junk.

Was it sold out? It was sold out. It was pretty full, yeah. Of course, I didn't pay for my ticket or Tyler. No, no. I don't think they were wallpapering it or whatever, but it looked full. Yeah.

Colin DeMello is where buds now. He's been on a couple of times, and we were at that FIFA championship, the World Cup championship, watching Engine de Poitrine. Am I saying right? Poitrine. I'm going to work on that.

I'm getting close. So that's how that happened. And Brad Howe was on Instagram, reached out as a super fan and we had oh I said okay you can zoom in I'd love to talk to you and he said I'm going to do it in person one day and that that Chris Potter I think Kim McDonald was here and I can't remember who she was with was it speaking of Fergie Oliver it'd be carry Carrier Alver and then I said Chris Potter I'd like to talk to Chris and I think Kim McDonald introduced me to Chris Potter he really wanted to come on

now back to Derek Downham how did he end up on god damn right Derek Downham absolutely reached out and says, you keep talking to my friends, we should talk. Yes, very, very well connected in the Toronto music scene. Very grouty episode. Yes, very grouty. Grouty as fuck.

And let's hear him talk about some of those connections. Okay. So I was playing with a guy named Tim Bova Conti, who is the guitar player. Who's been here? Who's who? Yeah. Oh, has he?

Yes. I love Bobo. So we've been friends a long time, and we had a singer song right night with him and Terry Gallen, and we did all original music. And it was an open stage. You had to play originals. But Tim at the time was playing with a guy named Marlon Sex-Math.

Well, you know what? I was going to say he's being here. He's been on the show a couple of times, but he seems to zoom in from Stratford or something. He got to get that guy in the basement. He used to live in Toronto. And that's how I met him. But we started playing together one day, and he's like,

I want to introduce you to my friend, Andy. I think you're really going to like him. That's a good impression. So we ended up moving locations to, from the only cafe to say what. And it was a very popular, popular night. And basically this guy Andy Kim comes out and watches me play. My son Saturday night. And he's like, hey, and Ron's like,

I said I want some lasagna. He wants to ask you to play drums with him. And I'm like, oh, interesting. And I see Andy. and you know, Andy has a very, he is a stoic look to him. He's got hair that is immovable. It's almost like a vampire.

Like if he cuts it, it just grows back the same way. Right. And he's this beautiful, you know, darker skin man. He's Lebanese. He's handsome. And what a beautiful tombur to his voice. And again, like talking to him, it's like almost like a father figure in many ways.

Yeah, he's very spiritual and insane. He's changed my life. So basically, but what happened was he gave me a CD at the time. And this is early, or mid-2000s of his music. And the songs that he wants me to play on. And the first song comes on and it's a newer song. And I'm like, okay, this is not bad. This is pretty good.

And then the second comes on and another newer song. And I'm like, oh, it's nice. I think it's when he's written with Ron. And it's just a beautiful track. And then the third song comes on. And it's sugar, sugar. and I go to my friends at the time who were with me and I was like

this this A-hole thinks he wrote sugar-sugar and I literally had no idea who Andy Kim was and then the third song or the other Not even rock me gently No and then then it was like be my baby And then it was like rock me gently and all these And I'm like I know all of these songs man

And I'm like how is this the guy? Like I can't even tell I don't even know Well it turns out he's the guy. He's the guy. And he's sold 33 million records. He was the first independent artist to sell over 8 million, or over a million albums. He sold 8 million copies of Rock Me Gently, was handed his gold record by John Lennon. I know his rundown so well because I've been playing with him longer than any other human in the world. He's, he, he was the first person, when you talk about a spiritual person, he was the first person to tell me when we would get, we make a phone call and he, he,

say, hey, I love you, man. And nobody had ever told me that as a friend before. Right. And I say it very often to my friends now because I think it's very important and to be that spiritual and to be in touch, that in touch with yourself that you can share your love. And that's the best part of love, isn't it? So, this is beautiful, man. Yeah, really, he truly changed my life in many ways.

Wow. There you go. And then I saw, I was unlocking my bike outside of Massey Hall. And Andy Kim and his wife were walking by. And he gives me this, he gives me like a handshake thing. And then he kind of gives me this hug thing. And then he says, I got to come back for more lasagna. That's what he says.

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Oh, no, no. No, no. I'm just making sure. In the third hour, we sometimes lose Cam. Thank you got some carrots in him. This episode I like when Derek was talked about when he was sensibly homeless or near homeless in Kensington. reminds me, and you guys probably remember this,

I was walking through Kensington, and who did I spot Steve Goof? Yeah, right. Near, uh, the Fort Doof. And I had that moment of like, maybe I could get Steve Goof and I tried and I felt like, you asked like Liz Worth or somebody.

Yeah, it's like, probably doesn't have a phone. No, no. But it's literally just by the garbage game with the beer. Like what a- Well, everyone said, you just got to go to Kensington Market and bump into it. Literally right there.

Yeah. It's just biking by it. It's like, hey, I think that's Steve Goof. Wow. That's a true Toronto story. right there, brother. Yeah. Another one of these characters.

Yeah. So yeah. Derek Downham, great, great grout. Knows lots of people, played with lots of people. And, yeah, it seemed like that. Oh, my God. I just caught wind of the next name. We're going to need another 90 minutes.

Oh, yeah, I know. I will. Go where we can say. One more thing. Final comment on Derek. I remember this is in track changes. The message wore 20 Hertz. I remember Derek was a poster on that.

And he, I don't think this came up his episode. He said he had been shot twice. Oh. I remember you mentioned this. I don't know. I remember, yeah. I think it was him. Interesting.

So just quick chime in to say, much like Stu Stone, every time Ralph Ben Mergi visits, it's gold. Yes. So he did visit and it didn't make the top 15. He's always great. Great chat about jazz. Yeah, exactly. You don't realize how much you love jazz. Also, because this gentleman was on building Toronto skyline this morning.

But Gilberto Fernandez talked about the men who built modern Toronto in the 1960s and 70s. and I really enjoyed Gilberto's visit. I liked him quite a bit. No, actually Colin James comes after this next person, but one more name because this, well, Don Bright, Bright up. Bright helped.

Bright up. I can't remember how he told me to pronounce it. But Dawn, I enjoyed my chat with, but also a member of Lover Boy came on. It's not Mike Reno. It's Paul Dean. And he was inducted. I saw him on Saturday night.

He was inducted into the Canadian Songwriters Hall of Fame. Now, let's talk about this individual. Sure. Just to close the books on Paul Dean, he did, I think, set the record for saying the term ghetto blaster. Is that an inappropriate term now? I don't think we've been changing it to boombox. Yeah, I think we've moved on from ghetto blaster.

But absolutely in the 80s, I did call it Ghetto Blaster. Paul Dean still in the 80s when it comes to his... I try to be sensitive. Portable music technology. I think, like, the term ghetto, you don't say at all. Like, you says, oh, that... Unless Elvis is singing about it. But yeah, absolutely.

You're right. I don't say the word ghetto. Yeah. Although this is Canada. Do we have ghettos? I mean, not in probably the classic sense, but... Okay. Well, I would just say that term is inappropriate.

Yeah. Yeah. Perhaps. Passed. Hastings. East Hastings. I've been there, brother. I've been there.

So, shout out to Paul Dean, who at early in the combo, we're zooming. He's in BC. And he says, I'm going to put my phone in my pocket. And I'm like, hey, you. do you, but like, what's not going to sound like? So, like, the camera, I still see the camera. It's in his fucking pocket. I'm seeing bald to lint.

All right, this guest I want to talk about. Oh, we're going to talk about. Everybody, it's wake up time. If you fell asleep listening to FOTM cast, wake up. Wake the fuck up. We have to talk about returning FOTM. Returning champion, Ramey the Minks.

Ramey the Minks. So what an episode. Yeah. So she appeared on episode 88. 88. So this is the Lindros episode. Yes, 88 to 1974. So certainly the largest gap between

Until Merrick gets his ass-o over here. And just looking at the description that you wrote for episode 88. Mike chats with Ramey the Minks about her longtime blog, Quest for Fame, and how she deals with her haters. So this is from 12 years ago. That's right. You could have applied that same

description to this episode. This is not a person who has evolved a great deal. Donald Trump has been pressing in like twice Ramey the minks we should I guess you have a clip but I can tell you

the response was absolutely polarizing Yes Yeah Were there pro Ramey comments? Not no pro Ramey Yeah

There was the I couldn't get through it I tried I mean to a point where Live Fumka said She's a Toronto Mike completest Yeah

And this is the episode That tested her the most So I got a lot of notes from people like, I'm sorry, man, I love your show. I couldn't do it. She's just all over the place. And then I got a lot of like, you did an amazing job. I got more compliments about this episode because I guess she was so everywhere.

I worked hard to rein her in, reamy her in. And remind me, you reach out to her? So, well, because she reached out this time. I reached out 12 years ago. And then that, you know, then that put me on her radar, I guess. And then she absolutely, she wrote me and said, I want to come back. I know she started a,

I think it's substack where you pay to access Oh, the nudes. Material that included her boobies. Yeah, okay. Oh, that was a funny moment with Jane used to it.

And then also access more than that. You conchers or what? How does that work? What's the question? You comped on that? I didn't get access. I did that. I will point out.

Oh, I shouldn't say that because at some point probably on her public blog, I probably did see her boobies. but I have not been in her subsect, to be honest. But Ramey the makes, there are some people, some people said, oh, like she would, some people found her zany and interesting.

Most people couldn't get through it. And I did my best, but let's play a clip and talk more about it. Yeah, yeah. And this is, this is a moment that also lives on your YouTube. It was sort of indicative of the entire Ramey experience. Oh, I know. Now that we just hit the 25th anniversary last week, a week ago today.

Like, does that trigger you in any way? like everybody was talking about 9-11 or you brought back to that day? Not this year. I mean, it did, but I give myself grace to, like, lose my shit. So what is that you just did? I need to know what you're doing this year. What is that?

Like, I see smoke. Okay, so this is like the cartridge, and then this is the battery. And this yellow shit is like the weed, Marijana. And something, something, Mary Jane. Okay, and then it's blue. I can relate with it. charged.

I'm not dissing. It's a high... I'm... I just... I just need to know what's happening in the... You know, the home studio here. But this is the infused shit. All these ones are good.

This is like expensive. This is like 35 after. So you get five. And this key covered... Okay, that's what you want to do, but I won't let you do it in the basement. No, I know. No. Okay.

But I become kind of... Interesting. A bit of a dumb ass. Yes, indeed. Do you want to know what happened there? So I can, because I lived it, okay? So she asked me straight out in the episode, can I smoke weed down here?

And I said, no, you can't smoke weed down here. And then we talked about the PTSD she suffered from being in New York on 9-11. Right. And then I was being serious because she's got PTSD from 9-11. So I'm in my serious mode. Okay. You heard me there. Yeah. 25th anniversary. Was it triggering to you?

All this talk about 9-11. And then all of us, so I'm focused on that. And then I see a cloud of smoke right where Tyler is right now. Like a big cloud. She's sitting there. And I'm, and I got a bit, I don't like, I don't vape. I don't know what the mechanism is. All I know was it was a smelly cloud was right here. Right. Yeah. Yeah. And I had just been asked if she could smoke weed.

And I said, no. And I'm like, what are you doing? Yeah. What are you doing? It's like, Tommy, she didn't ask, can I vape down here? And I don't even know. Like, I'm not even still not sure what the, like, all I know is she was vaping in the basement during her episode. It didn't get your consent. Well, yeah, it's my home studio.

Yeah. I can hear my 10 year old upstairs right now. I don't want you doing that. If you have to do that during the episode, I can probably set this up in the backyard and you can smoke all the cannabis you want. But I didn't consent to that. Yeah. But that was a good example. And then, but I, I feel like she's just like a more severe case of whatever I've got going on or whatever.

Where I can rein it in and focus where she's not as blessed. Yeah, she's, she drove herself here? I don't think she drives, to be honest. Yeah, I don't check so. She got here. She got here. Yeah. Maybe an Uber.

Yeah. Somebody might have driven her in that regard. But she came alone. The first time in episode 88, she had a guy with her. Okay. I mean, I have some who's this guy in his basement. Okay. I get it.

But this time she just came solo. And we had a nice, interesting, long chat. Yeah. But it was, I felt it was a lot of work. I felt exhausted. Yeah. But I don't know. I feel like, not sorry for her.

I don't want her to get. It was no pity. But like, I kind of get what she's dealing with. And I kind of understand it. But she doesn't. Sometimes I get frustrated because it seems like everything is all about Ramey the minks. Yeah. I remember like she took her jacket on and off like 12 times during it. I just, I associate her, I've said this many times with you and Mark Evans and all those

original bloggers of that era because she was like a big deal at that time. And again, I've mentioned many times she was on the in the mix when I started working in PR. We started to say, oh, let's invite some bloggers to this. Yeah. I actually dug up some photos. I mentioned I'm doing this like family tree. project. So I'm going through all these old photos. I actually have photos from that first event I invited you to. And that was the LG event? Yeah. Get over it. I said no. I didn't. I'll share it. But I was looking because I wanted to see who was there from influencers. I was wondering if Ramey or Casey Stewart was there. I did see this person Anita Clark who was a fashion blogger. I was able to pick her out of the

crowd. But again, like she was in like the Globe and Mail in the National Post like articles about her. I week. What she was doing? Yeah. She had her own column. Like she was You know, internet famous. I actually think that was Mark Wiseblot's column. Quite, quite possibly. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. But what a character. Yeah. I mean, I don't know, Ramey, obviously. I don't know her life, um, even though.

It's well documented in the public sphere. Um, you know, I've, I've known a lot of people like her. Uh, and it's like, you know,

you use the big personality to hide insecurities. Um, and, you know, I hope she finds peace. Uh, I hope she... Does she want peace, though?

Because the stalker, for example, okay? I have seen this online, this stalker back and forth. 22 years of stalking. Yeah, for years, I've seen this. And I, at some point I reached out and said, what if you ignored her? Well, and that's what you said to her on the episode. Like, if you really didn't want,

because nobody wants a stalker. This is an American woman who I don't think is coming to Toronto. So this is like a virtual digital thing. And I, you know, if you really made, What if you block her and ignore her? This is what I did to Mike Bullard, okay? You block and ignore as a starting point. They move on.

And our friend, Ramey, refuses to block and refuses to ignore. Yeah. Really? Like the opposite. Like antagonizes, goes back and forth. Engages. Who's stalking who? What did her meet the Franklin say?

Who stock in who? Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Something like that. Yeah. Anyway, I hope I wish her all the best and I hope to never hear from her.

Wait, hold on, you talked over the great line there. You don't want a third episode of Raymonding the main. Me personally,

I do not. Others may. Did you get through the second one? I did listen, yeah. I actually, what I would like to do

if I ever have some time in the mood, I'm curious because I have not heard the first one since I recorded it in 20, whatever it was.

I would say the Matthew Good subplot was interesting. Oh, yeah. Oh, yes. Yeah. That was interesting. I just saw Matthew Grove with the,

what was somebody, Someone I effed her? Oh, yeah. Who I effed her? Is it? Chad Smith or Anthony Kutis? Oh, yeah. Because I saw a Chad Smith.

Chad Smith was at the TIF event. Because he's in the Neil Peer documentary. Yeah, she also... It was actually welfare all she didn't... Right. She also named dropped a Canadian celeb. Oh, yeah. Who I never heard of, of course.

That's the... Well, he's the host of Canada's worst drivers. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't even Google it. That's how passionate I was about it. But I had some guesses.

You really had to twist her arm to get the name. Well, that was like with, who were we just, Rebecca Rankin? I was listening, was it Rebecca Rankin? And she didn't want to name the person who helped her with her audition tape or whatever. And then all I did was not even like roughen her up or whatever. I'm like, yeah, come on, just tell us. And then she spilled the name. Like that's all it took was like a gentle prod.

Like, oh, just tell us. Oh, it was Bill Willich. 25 years of frustration. Yeah. That's right. She held the fucking water. Didn't give up the name for 25 years and then a little gentle, I'll just tell us, Bill Will it.

Like, she spilled it all. Also not a meteorologist. No. Worked as a weather presenter. Right. And he just quit his job as a boat salesperson. Yeah. Nice guy.

Yeah. For a gig more in line with his attributes. Which is what? What's he doing? Something with like entertainment. Oh, really? I feel like there was more of like an entertainer quality to it than selling it. I always enjoyed him as a personal.

Nice guy. Solid. Yeah. Okay. All right. So Ramy the Minks. Ramey. Thank you for your return.

We caught up with Ramey and I don't, I think I don't know if I said this, but you don't have to tell me. I feel like this to the universe. If you love Toronto Mike and, you know, there's almost 2,000 episodes and then there's an episode where the guest, not me, because I did my best. I got some praise. But if the guest is such that you can't get through it, I honest to God don't need to know. I'd be fine living the rest of my life, not knowing that diehard listener who loves everything couldn't get through an episode because of the guest.

It's okay, there's a lot of episodes. Sure. Like almost 2000. You don't need to tell me that you're not going to finish the Ramey the Minks because she's a lot. I don't need to know. It's not an airport. What am I supposed to do?

Right. You don't need to do that information. I don't even know what to say in response. I don't even know what to say. because Leve Efunkel told me this in a private message and I didn't even respond because I actually don't know what the response is. I'm sorry you didn't like the guest.

All I do is shine a light on the guest and they reveal themselves to be what they are. Thanks for the heads up. Yeah. I mean, I think I did reach out to you to say that it was a tough listen. So I fall into that category. Fuck you. Yeah.

But it's not Monday. Come on. Yeah. Elvis Mondays. That's an inside joke for the what's happening. Elvis Mondays. Okay. All right.

Let's move on to a great guest. The opposite of Ramey the makes. Great guest. Dave Rosencranz, super fan, FOTM, member of the TMU, a real head.

He was at TMLX 23. It was well versed in the jargon. Yeah. He was great. Just wanted to confirm that he did travel the furthest. Tell me the distances. Yeah.

So Montana is about 2,400 kilometers. away from, uh, from Toronto. And Seattle is 3,300. I'm not even close. See, do I even know where Montana is? It's, it's east of Seattle. Yeah. I'm an idiot. It's like south of Alberta. Yeah, come on. Okay. Well, yeah, okay. So Dave wins. But yeah. Uh, I believe though, the one big differentiars, I believe Gabe comes for TMLEX. He does. Yes. And possibly Dave has other business in Toronto. Okay. Uh, anyway, uh, really interesting. guy, lots of great stories, seeing Nirvana

sort of very early on, hearing smells like teen spirit live for the first time. Right. He was there. Yes, he was there. And gifted you that incredible cassette, the never mind the mollusks. Yep, 1993. Sub pop cassette. So let's hear Dave talking about some of the bands on that very cassette.

So Eric's trip were the first band that gets signed to subpop. from Canada. They weren't the first Canadian band to release a record. That was a split single the year before by Mechanormal and Krebus from Vancouver. And Mechanorma's still going. Gene Smith still got that band going out there in Vancouver. But Eric's trip, this is really the key to the whole connection between Subpop and Canada. And to tell that story, I have to tell the story of one of my colleagues. Most people who are familiar with the sub-hop story know about Bruce and Jonathan, Bruce Bavitt and John Poneman,

who were the folks who founded the label and basically ran the label. I started at the beginning of 1991. Toward the end of 1991, we decided that we needed to hire someone to be a retail, promotion manager for the label. And a retail promotions manager, again, because we're set in the table here, Mike, for folks who haven't done

the music industry. I love the details, Dave. I know you do. I know you do it. Boy, have I brought details. So I don't know, well, let's see, first to explain what that role is. In the music industry, you know, distribution is everything. It's like the liquor industry, right?

There's a middle person in there between the maker and the music. the consumer, right? And in the music industry, that's the record distributor. And you need, as a record label, you need strong retail promotion people to drive those distributors and to drive those record stores to place those records and push those records over everybody else's, right? So we figured, okay, this is what we need because our distributor at the time kind of sucked.

And so I don't know how this person came across our radar, but we heard about a woman out in the Boston area, the neighborhood is Dorchester. Her name's Joyce Linnehan. I don't know how we found out about her. She had spent a little time managing the Lemonheads. She'd had some involvement with the Pixies early on before they blew up. And so we reached out to her and started talking about having her come on and be both our retail

promotions director and also the person who would run an East Coast office for us out of out of her home in Dorchester. And, you know, Joyce was nothing if not forthright. And she said, you can hire me to be your retail promotion director, but I'll tell you right now, I don't know a damn thing about that. And I probably won't do that. But you can hire me, right? So, you know, subop being subop and doing everything backwards, you know, to our, you know, our own great benefit, usually, we thought, okay, well, the person who doesn't want to be and doesn't know how to be retail Promotions Director is exactly the person that we should hire. So we did that.

And Joyce quickly evolved her role, quickly evolved into being much more of an A&R person and a promotions person. And because of her location in there, she was hip to Sloan, right? And generally hip to what was going on in the Maritimes as that scene was beginning to take off. And again, you know, Sloan was taken. They almost weren't taken for a little while and almost bounced to subpop. But, you know, I've heard all of your different Sloan episodes. There's a lot of them, yeah, yeah.

There's like five, six. I'm highly obsessed of that band. Yeah, I am too. I'm looking, you can't see, but I'm looking at their faces right here. My three favorite Canadian bands of all time, all right? The band. Okay. Rush.

Yeah. Sloan. Okay. That's a great trifecta. It's pretty darn good, isn't it? Canon of Canadian music. No rusty in there, though, because, you know, Jim Moore's. listening.

I, yeah, I knew Rusty was coming in here at some point. The real question is, why didn't, you know, Rusty ever have a subpop single in the month? That's what you should be pinning me down on, but I don't know the answer to that one. No notes, actually. Well, I have one note. What the one note? So this tape, which has Sloan, jail.

You got a loss on him. Eric's trip and Idy DeNord, the great FOTM, Dave Rosencrantz, declared. is that they're all maritime bands, except how did that Montreal band, ID Denoir, make it? And then I posted what I believe to be true from Dave, and was scalded by, you know, Chris Murphy was first, I think,

and then even people like Bedini and a bunch of people are like fact-checking me that they were Moncton through and through. That's a Moncton band. This was in your like social media copy there. Yeah, like Instagram. I posted that it was a, all Maritimes bands, except for Montreal band.

Acadian band or something. Yeah, so in a nutshell, Dave got that one detail wrong, but otherwise, no notes. It was, I would say, one of my favorite episodes in a very long time, my favorite episode of the quarter, hook that to my veins.

That's why I started Toronto Mike back in 2012. Yeah. I really liked that episode too because he had good stories, but he wasn't exaggerating. Like, yeah, he seemed, he probably did see Nirvana in the club, but he wasn't,

he wasn't trying to overexamine. exaggerate. I feel like we've all seen sort of, you know, bands that went on to be big and small rooms. And sure, it's cool to be able to say in retrospect, but these bands were sort of unknown when you saw them, so you didn't know at the time. It's like, this could be the next

platinum artist or anything. He mentioned somebody with the last name, I think he said Linahan, and I think that could be also Linehan. And I want to point out, no, it's got nothing to Brian actually. Kelly Linehan was on Toronto Mike. Then, a delight. A

delightful conversation. I just want to say. I enjoyed delightful conversation with Kelly Leran. Joyce, Joyce Linahan, or Linahan, went on to be director of policy for then mayor of Boston, Marty Walsh, who is now the head of the NHLPA. That's a fun fact. Wow. That is a fun fact. Yeah. It's from like working with the lemon heads to sliding out. I get it. I will admit, with Cam Gordon, I get an Evandando vibe. Really? Yeah. Yeah. Take that compliment.

Less drugs, but... Speaking of Jail, who is one of the other bands, talked about quite a bit, Mike Bolitsky was the drum, was Jail's drummer for a period. He was the Sades. Now in the Sades. It was almost a guest on Toronto Miked,

which you probably may or may not know. When you and I were talking about... Did you tell me? I think probably at the time. When you and I were doing that, we're thinking about doing that, tragically hip series that then our friend JD sort of did without us knowing. I had lined up.

He stole it from us. He did, yeah. A good friend of mine, my friend Sean, who used to work at, I believe, EMI music, said that, let me know he's a good friend of Mike Boletskies. And so he gave me his email address. And he was more than happy to come on and talk about the album that Gord Downey recorded with the Sadies. Well, we can still have them on.

Sure, you should. I will. I've heard that album. Yeah. Like, it's really great. Yeah. It's like way better. I mean,

it's not like it should be bad. But I remember listening. I'm like, holy shit. Yeah, no, it's really, really good.

Okay, so one more episode to discuss and then we're going to cook with gas the rest of the way. But I do want to make sure you all realize how much I enjoyed the Faber Drive deep dive with Dave Faber. Yeah. And I thought,

I did think maybe powfu. Yeah, I'd be tough of that up was going to be the opening theme today here. I did consider it. Yeah. And, And Kathy Young was at some great stories as well. And, of course, the return of Colin James seemed to be a critical favorite.

I got some good feedback about Colin James. Yeah, they picked me up. It was right after toast. I did toast, packed up the gear, a nice car waiting. But I didn't realize is the guy goes, he drops me off. This is not far from the CBC building or whatever, where the Penguin Random House headquarters is, drops me off. And he says, I'll just be right.

here when you're done. He wasn't going to go do other work or whatever. He was just going to wait for me. And then he was going to drive me home. I was going to say there's been a few of us have had music books out this year. Don Pyle myself. Are they with Penguin Random House? There you go, brother. That's what the budget is.

Call James. That's what's that. I mean, Mark Carney put out a book this year with Penguin Random House. You know Margaret Atwood? You ever heard of her? She puts out books with it. I actually got a book. They deliver a lot of books. Sometimes they deliver the same book multiple times. I don't know if they know that if Scott's listening. But I got the new Carol Off book. It's sitting on my living at my dining table upstairs. So Carol Off will be returning to Toronto mic. One more, Tyler. Let's go. This episode's going to be four hours. I think it might be.

Oh, God. I love it. Yes, the great Jane Eastwood, who made her basement debut, had lots to say talking about Godspell, the great Toronto sort of the origin story. 172 company, yeah. Lots of SCT. TV chat and a little going down the road chat. Great, great episode. I'll save this for after. We'll listen to Jane first. He was being honest where he said basically,

you guys are better. He did. Actually, he did. I don't know. I don't know what he was comparing us to. I don't know. I don't know. Maybe, I don't know.

Maybe an improv group or something in New York. And, yeah, Paul said, there's nothing funnier than you guys. You guys are way better. So that was a very short clip. Paul Schaefer. She was talking about Paul Schaefer there. There was a longer clip that I had, but this was, I think, me running out of time. So I fucked up the...

That's all right. I just like to hear her voice. Yeah. So she's talking about the cast of Godspell. Paul Schaefer was the musical director who, of course... Hilda Radner, Eugene Levy, Marty Short. Jerry Salzberg. Jerry Salzberg.

Right. There was part of the clip that I... Andrea Martin. Yes. Part of the clip that I omitted, there was a bit of my brother created The Wire moment where she talked about

Joe Flaherty started SCTV. And then I had her say, I said, explain that to me. Yeah. And she said, well, I think, you know, he wasn't the creator, but he, like, recruited the cast and brought everyone in.

Basically, created. in the liner notes. So she didn't do that. Anyway, my apologies to Jane Eastwood for for fucking up that clip. You know what I'll say? I love that, that woman.

I had met her on the, when did I see her? When did I? Oh, that was, yeah, never mind. This is a long time ago.

Yeah, I did see her at the tragically hit musical. But, oh, it was her, sorry, it was her son-in-law. Okay. So I'm like,

okay, I'm at this Tiff thing for the Neil Peart documentary. A lot of cool FM's. I saw at this party. I was at a real party. and then there's the line to get in and for whatever reason I'm jumping this line

I don't know I'm an asshole whatever I'm like I'm Toronto Mike I'm an FOTM was my my plus one Nadia Swabi I hope I'm saying the last name right she's been to multiple

I know that is so we're skipping the line and then on my way I'm seeing people like the aforementioned James Monroe but also somebody like a tall good looking guys like Toronto Mike

and I'm like hey what's going on he's like I thought he said it was his aunt but it was like his mother-in-law but he told me his relation to Jane Eastwood and he loves the Jane Eastwood episode and he's going on about how great Jane Eastwood was all this Jane Eastwood talk and I'm like Mark

that was his name I said Jane Eastwood back in the calendar she'll be coming over yeah we had her in-person debut amazing. Amazing legend legend of it. And she said she wants to come back with her castmates from Robin Duke

and others. Kathy Greenwood. Am I right that Teresa Pavileneck is she's the woman who said chicken and stuffing and pie oh my.

I think you might be right woman. I think you might be right. Do you remember this? I know that name like very well like who is this. Yeah I think she was a

comedic actress who did some things in Canada and I believe she did the Swiss Allie ad campaign that went Chicken and stuffing and pie oh my.

Star of the Jane show. The Jane show. Yes. Okay. Staring Jane Hardin. Yes, that's right. Jane, the theme song with Bar-Naked Ladies. Palinic.

Yes. Anyway. Pavilinic. We did it, guys. That's wrapped. That's the quarter. We did it. We did it.

A lot of great episodes, and we'll probably bring this down to 10 episodes for the next one. Yeah, I think. Unless you do a writing campaign against it. Let us know. Okay, here we go. Do I just play the song? Do we introduce this at all?

Do I tell people this is Forgotten Cancon? Yeah. This is Cam Gordon's song. Yeah. Right on that mic. Well, I feel like often I'll do like a little preamble. I'll say this one's a bit unique because this is a song right away. You guys will know it.

But then it's like when I thought of this song, I'm like, I actually don't know who sings this song. I was vaguely aware of the type of act that sung it that this will make more sense. What's to talk about? Yeah. But I knew nothing about the background of who. this was. I assumed there's a one-hit wonder. But a song you'll recognize right away, we'll

breathe a bit, and then I'll open the fire hose and we'll spill some fun facts all over the floor. All right, here we go. Forgotten Campa. We'll know this right way. How about a doves cry? Yeah, a little bit. All right.

It's a snow sandy beach or a small town street. No two places gonna feel the same. A weird. You cut your hair. It's what's inside the can. A weird.

A weird emotional reaction when I hear this. It's very, like, comforting this song. I don't know why. So it's literally a song from a beer commercial, but there's just nothing about it. And the message, I like the message. It's like, it's cool, you know, it's okay. It's what's inside the cance, blah, blah, blah.

It's very gentle. Yeah. Who sings this? Do you guys know? Never. Not a million years do I know who sings it But am I right? Is it Foster's beer?

That's right. Yeah. It's famously in a beer commercial. So I know it well and the lyrics all come back to me. Couldn't tell you the artist to save my life. Yeah. And even it was weird because there is a beer commercial. No, no, no.

But like there were some visuals in the beer commercial I remember and somebody don't. The name of this act is Coleman Wilde. Yeah, no. It's not even in my like. Nothing at all. No. You know what? The sound almost reminds me of what was the Blue J Coca-Cola song?

Oh, yeah. Like, do, do, do, do, do, yeah.

Well, I mean, this was written by, for a commercial, like this was written for that beer commercial, so that makes sense. But then it was, it was in that rare category of songs that were written for advertising that

were so popular, later got releases it. Because this was on CFDR. The Carpenter's, uh, had a big hit with a song. We're, we're going to get to that.

We're going to get to that. Burry the lead. How dear you. Um, so, So again, this song, as you mentioned, was featured in a Foster's beer ad that must have ran during Blue Jay games or something, because I saw this all the time. Yeah, yeah, definitely sports. Maybe on like bunch music or something. Maybe during a Leaves game or something.

So popular that it eventually came out as a single on Attic Records. I know you've talked a lot about Attic over the years in 1989. Well, Alexander Mayer was an FOTM. Yeah. So this band Coleman Wilde is really a duo. So the Coal Man, part is Ralph Cole. Do you know the name Ralph Cole? I do not. So Ralph Cole's in America. I know Bob Cole. So Ralph Cole's American.

He's from Kalamazoo, Michigan, was playing in a bunch of bar bands. And one day shared the stage with a band called the Poppers. I know the Poppers. You've got a Yorkville band. 100%. Yeah. So in that band was Skip. Pro Cop.

Pro Cop. Who worked at CF and Y. And then the Poppers broke up and said, hey, Ralph, we played this. do you want to join my new band? The name of this band is called Lighthouse. Uh-huh, yes. And the rest is history. This guy, Ralph Cole,

one half of wrote that song, is still in Lighthouse to this day. Wow. So one of the original members, or say you took off some time in the band, but he's still playing with them. And then the other half was this guy named Doug Wilde, who's more like an advertising guy.

He worked for a, he had a music production company called Harris Cold Wilde, later known as Jungle Music. Again, just wrote, wrote stuff for music. Like Blair Packham over there. Yeah, like for advertising, but then also went on to play with the band. You might know this name, Manteca.

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Jazz Fusion band. Rings a bell to me. Yeah. And then later this guy played a bit live with a number of artists, including FOTM Jane Sibri and the late great Leonard Cohen. Oh, wow.

I did notice in the Marsden tributes, they give him a lot of credit for helping to break Jane Cibory. Who, Doug Wilde? Marsden tribute. Oh, Marsden. I was going to say I just learned Doug Wilde existed if I had a fun fact about him

then I was going to say and this was the latest and sort of a long line of well actually not a long line of short line of songs that were in commercials Can I name one and then you could

Yeah I've got two examples Because the biggest one is I'd like to buy the world of Coke Yeah I'd like to teach the world to sing In brackets in parentheses in perfect harmony By the new seekers And also the hillside singer

Which was covered on an episode of toast at some point. And I did touch on it, but absolutely one of the carpenters hit, why do birds suddenly appear, right? Close to you? No, you're close, but very good. Because I didn't know this. We've only just begun. That's the one. Yeah, I actually did know that. It became Homer and Merge's

song. Okay, very good. I'm very impressed. So that was originally written for a Crocker National Bank ad. Yeah, I did not know that. Did not know that. Also, unrelated, but I'll tell you anyways, that the theme song to curb your enthusiasm is because Larry David was watching a bank commercial and he heard that do. So Larry David heard that on a bank commercial and he said, let's get that for the curb. Thank God for advertising.

Do you guys like that song? Oh, I like it. Yeah. I like it. I like it. I like it. I like it doesn't matter. I like it.

Two thumbs up. It reminds me very much of a place and time, like sort of late 80s, very kind of like convivial. like let's go out for a beer kind of like totally everything's great. Yeah. Am I right that in Australia, they don't drink fosters? I think that's right.

It's a fake, yeah, like they have other beers they like. Yeah. I started watching some of the foster ads with Paul Hogan. Oh yeah. It's just terrible. Was shrimp on the Barbie from a foster's ad or is that an Australian tourism? I think that was an Australian tourism during America's brief fascination

with all the things. Which was covered well in The Simpsons when they talked about when they phoned the guy to see which way the toilet flows down. And then they were the big long distance bill. Do you guys remember that even the WWF got into this? There was a guy outbacked out of course.

I remember out of course. You do the boom ring, which was like a close line to the back of the head. Well, the biggest one was, was it Yahoo! Serious? Yeah, who's serious? Jacko. It was a surprise you.

Energizer. Oh, yeah. He was like a rugby player. Yeah. Okay. That was a big Australia thing. And I think maybe at the X, they did a like a guy. Why he's like never before. The X you remember and a whole lot more.

They did like an Australian thing. Yeah, the Crocodile Dundee really kicked off an Australian craze. It's not a knife. That's not a knife. This is a knife. And then when that guy was doing the Coke and he was putting it in the water. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

I actually, I watched Crocodile Nandy. I mean, it's probably seven or eight years ago now, but it's really bad. Yeah. But Linda Kowalski was hot. Yeah. And they got married, I think. Yeah. Yeah, they were.

I remember her leg in the bath. rumors. There's also like they're going for the walkabout and she's like about to get in the water. And I remember she took off her sarong and being some one of those early moments I'm in the theater where I'm like, I'm probably like. You saw comedy in the theater?

Holy shit. Because I like center point town and country in six days, Paul Hogan will turn 87 years old. Wow. He's catching up the John Cleese. Yeah. What was this second most of the movie? Did you do something? Rocked on a day two.

No, no, but there was like a He did a movie of Cuba Gooding Jr. Like Mr. Hollywood or something? Oh. Or King, King, he did. Lightning Jack. Yes, with Cuba Gooding Jr. That's right.

That's what it is. Okay. Are you guys, do we do this one, Lexicon Corner? We sure do. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, we got some good stuff here.

Lexicon Corner. This is where we sort of talk about terms or phrases that have entered the Lexicon, perhaps in the last quarter that we've maybe noticed. well north of three hours right now. I was going to say, Mike, you know, might not realize this is literally either myself or Tyler just randomly think of stuff in the middle of the work day. Yeah. And then just text like, no context. No, I have no idea.

Yeah, just something pot. I didn't know how a lexicon corner was built. I have a few here. Yeah, well, I myself have noticed some crutches lately. Oh, well, we'd love for you to expand on that. This is one that Cam messaged me about. Okay.

It's from the Bradford Howe episode. It's from the Bradford Howe episode. It is, I still cannot get over this. It is incredible. I'm just going to play this and then we can talk about it. I might mute your thing. This is, this is, yeah. And for better or for better for worse, you could call

Lynn Johnston, Chum City. Is I playing a jukebox? I think I said to Tyler, it's like, I was listening to that. I had no idea who Lynn Johnson was. Johnston. Johnson, yet I knew exactly who she was. Why you would say that? I was a big fan.

We hear that one more time. Yeah. Here we go. I muted you. And for better or for better for worse, you could call Lynn Johnston, Chum City. He didn't even notice. What is that called when you no cell or something? I don't know.

He just kept going. But I do that. You'd like piss your pants. See, but that's like, isn't that, is that my wrong or is that Ramey the Minks light? Like this, you have the light logger going on. Yeah, I suppose a little bit. You don't, you don't let it become a distraction. No, I didn't want him to stop.

Yeah, exactly. Just like a little trickle. Like there's a little crack. It's really an Easter egg for guys like you. Yeah. Like that's what it is. What do? don't take this wrong way.

Do you know how many hours of Toronto Mike did I recorded? What is going through your head? Just because someone uses a very common phrase that happens to be like a funny comic. Well, first of all, it's the only time in 2000 episodes I did that particular reference. But it's so good. But why? But why not? Like, what's the point of any of this?

If I can't slip in a little gin, Lynn Johnston. Everybody's saying every single sentence. But if you did, if you listen closely, like the Great Braddard. Howard Howe and others. Like George Cassanza, like trying to... A lot of times people will say something and it'll be a title of a song and I will very quickly just like that. I'll say the band's name.

Well aware. Okay, so it's not really lexicon. It's more like a thing. Lexicon corner is... Are you not entertained? Like, this is an easier egg I put in there. This is, that was like maybe my skin. I can't believe you didn't know Lynn Johnston.

She went to McMaster University. What? Yeah. I still get upset and I think of Farley breathing his last breathing his last breath. after saving April. It still upsets me. Cam's like, what are we talking about? I think I'm picturing Adam

for this, like, for that comic strip. Adam, who? Like Adam from He-Man? No, like you wore it like a bathrobe. Anyway. I only got the Toronto Star comic section. Okay. For better or for worse was,

because I was a Toronto Star reader growing up and they had the Saturday pullout, which was full color. And the first one on the first page was Oh, yeah, with the dog, of course. Early, yeah. I stay corrected. She did not attend McMaster.

She worked as a medical artist at McMaster University. Well, thank you for the clarification. Johnson's illustrations are in storage at McMaster's medical archive. Okay. From Collingwood. Yeah. So anyway, that was maybe my favorite moment. Oh, good.

It's not nearly as a cringe. No, because I was bracing myself, right? No, no, no. It's not. I don't feel. I have no regrets about that. I have no regrets about it. again.

One thing I noticed, and I should have, I should have noted where I noticed this. Yes, sir. I've noticed that... What are we doing? He's still in Mike things he does, corner. No one's listening now. We lost the FOT. Yeah, yeah.

Even Dave Rosencrantz has bowed out. He's gone. He's long gone. I see green dots, but I don't think they're... There you go. Do you think Jim Moore is still listening? No, he's long gone to bed. It's very late in the UK.

It's almost like breakfast time. Yeah. Right. So I noticed, and I wish I had noted where this came up, somebody made a reference to the godfather of. And I did a little research and found that there have been quite a few references to the godfather of so-and-so on Toronto Mike. So I put together.

Okay. Oh, wow. No wonder you took the day off. Yeah, quick little supercutter of this. Oh my God. Not messing around. Yeah, here we go. Oops. Canada's godfather of punk.

And you are indeed the godfather of punk in Canada. Years older than these people. Godfather of Grunge. It's the godfather of Canadian sports talk radio. I like to say Tommy Ambrose was the godfather of Jingle of Canadian Jingles. But if he was the godfather, you know, Sid Kessler was like the underboss. Joining me. is the godfather of Canadian hip-hop.

Maestro Fresh West. Ron Nelson, DJ Ron Nelson, who's like the godfather of hip-hop in this country. I call the godfather of production. And I'm saying this as the godfather of Canadian podcasting. It's got to be really frustrating for you as the godfather of podcasting. So there you go. Love it. Okay.

That's good. Thank you. They're actually, this is why I was a little bit late because I was still putting this together. There's probably like seven or eight. more that I could have added. Well, you're doing great work. So it's like pod scripts or how do you find this? Yeah.

There's transcripts there. It's kind of scary. Any more? Do you want to tell you my crutches? No, no, please. All right, I have noticed a couple of things. Yeah, yeah. Let's hear it.

And it's been stuck in my head since I saw it on the Conan O'Brien show in your craw. In 1993. Oh. Cooking with Gas. Oh, yeah. I use cooking with gas a lot. You do. Conan dropped it.

Yeah. Okay. That's a good line. That's great. We're cooking with gas here. The other one is, this is like when somebody is doing. I'm getting excited because somebody's name checking or whatever or saying interesting shit.

I'll say, taking a note over here. And I always, I always grab the pen. Yeah. Oh, I'm taking a note. Yeah.

So I'll go, I'm taking notes over here. Like, don't stop. I'm learning, right? So I do that. I feel like I haven't heard you say that. Maybe I'll,

check the liner notes. It's in there somewhere. Check the liner notes. What else? I guess if I start, I mean, once I become aware of them, I try to,

Hook it to my veins is another. That's 100% that's right up there with cooking with gas. Hook it to my veins. A quick way of saying, I fucking love it. Loving it. Along those lines,

you also say, I'm loving this very much. I'm loving this very much. Well, I heard of Dave Rosencrantz. He's like, oh, we're going to detail.

I go, I love the details. Yes. No, deeper. Barry me in the details. Go as deep as you can go and then go deeper. Mike, sorry,

just to clarify, you just said loving and love it. Justin Timberlake, like the McDonald's commercial, right? Yeah, he wrote the jingle. He wrote that jingle for McDonald's. Okay. I'm loving it.

Loving it. Justin Timberlake wrote that? Yeah. Really? Is he going to fact check me? No. Austin better not come at me. It's in my head somewhere.

I pulled it out. Okay. I believe that's a fact. Amazing. Yeah. Okay. That's a, that's a lexical.

That was painless, but we haven't. We don't do WikiLeaks anymore, do we? No, we don't. No, no, no. No, no,

no, All right. Shout out to Midtown, Gordon. Shout out to the godfather of fact checks, Robert Lawson. That's appropriate. As always, if you hear anything that sounds awry off, if you will, please email us at FOTMcast at gmail.com. Our team of fact checkers will get on it. And if we use it, there could be a very high value prize coming your way.

Let's get into it. a listener named Christopher Hoyle reached out via that very email address. Oh, that's exciting. Somebody wrote that way. And I don't know this name. Yeah, well, he's actually noticed that his nickname is C.J, like S-E-A-J. Oh, I did see that name. And that name is in the list of users on live.

The world according to Hoyle. Yeah. Anyway, his, he writes, in episode 1965 with Bradford Howe at 31 minutes, Toronto Mike explained in great detail to his guests that mayoral candidate Brad Bradford's legal name was actually Bradford Bradford. No, I didn't say that. Okay, well. Do you want me to tell you what I said? Please do.

Because I know this story with the back of my hand. Please do. What the hell is that? Okay. I said he was named Bradford because that's his mother's maiden name. And then after a bad divorce, he changed his surname from his father's surname to his mother in solidarity with her. Right. And then he became Bradford, Bradford.

But his birth name was not Bradford, right? It was Bradford for his mom's surname and then whatever the surname of his father was. Sure, sure. If I can just finish Christopher's or CJ's email. On episode 1269 at 856, he's very specific with the detail. I like that. In his Toronto Mike debut, Brad Bradford explicitly confirmed that his legal first name is Brad Brad and his legal name is not and never has been Bradford Bradford.

But still named after his mother's maiden name. his first name was Bradford, but following his parents' divorce when his last name was changed to Bradford, his first name was legally shortened to Bradford. Right. I'm certainly not a fan of Mr. Bradford, but still wanting to correct the record. Oh, no, that's a good point because I make it sound like, you're right. I make it sound like he changed his surname to Bradford, but he kept his first name Bradford, but he actually became Bradford. CJ, I'm going to say this. You're right, brother. Yeah. Or I don't know your gender. Why am I calling you brother? Yeah. So looking forward to the next FOTM cast, CJ. So thank you, CJ. Very much appreciated. Good point. Great.

detail. I had the flavor, but I was missing some fact. Yeah. Anyway. So he's Brad Bradford. Some quick hitters here. Jane Brown said that Peter Zoski hosted Metro Morning. He certainly did not. It wasn't called Metter Morning. No. Totally right. On that one I understand. The morning show on CBC radio. Yeah, of course, of course. Which was called? I don't remember. I should remember this. Something. It's like something really basic.

Something morning. Like news morning. Like you were morning. Good morning. Yeah, something like that. Okay. This rolls off the time. On toast, there was a discussion about Dallas Green, city in color, and his wife, Leah Miller.

What did I call it? Mike called her Lee Miller, incorrect. Oh, because it's L-E-A-H. That's right. Leah Miller. Very good. Dave Rosencranes, the great Dave Rosencranes, said that the Boston Bruins won the Stanley Cup in 1971. It was actually 1970.

72 that they won. Did the Montreal Canadiens went in 70? Yes, it was Boston in 70, Montreal 71, Boston 72. Jane Eastwood on that episode, Mike said that SCTV was not available in the U.S. Oh yeah, she did say that. I was surprised. I called her out on it.

NBC. I thought so. Yes. Okay. On the Bradford-How episode, once again. There's a lot of facts. I like it. Yeah. Mike said that Bill will hosted the tragically hip, intimate, and interactive. It was, in fact, Sukian Lee who hosted that.

Bradford did call it out live, but you sort of no-sold his correction, so I felt like we needed to cover it. But he did that. You were confusing it with Gordaunny's. When he was smoking all that weed or whatever. From 2003. So thank you. And then a big one, and I really feel badly about this.

Derek Downham had a great story about appearing on David Letterman with Kevin Drew and Andy Kim. He said, however, that that appearance happened in the last two weeks of David Letterman's run on CBS, which would have been May 2015. Unfortunately, it was in March 2015. Derek, that's embarrassing. No doubt regrets the error. Where in the world is Stu Stone? Where in the world is Stu Stone? Don't you want to know? Wouldn't you like to know? Well, I'm going to tell you, I'm actually in an Apple store, in the suburbs of Los Angeles, California, trading in my phone for a new phone right now. This is the last thing that I'm doing on my old

phone. I'm getting rid of that old life and all the baggage that came along with that phone, and I'm moving forward into the future, just like I advise everybody to do symbolically with something in their life. I don't know where I'm going with this, but I am thrilled and honored that the very last activity that I do is leave this recording. so that you know that I'm safe and sound and look forward to returning to the basement. Also, I listen. And we're going to have a lot to talk about.

And Cam especially, we're going to have a lot to talk about when I see you next. Until then. Love you guys. So cryptic. I wonder what that's about. Yeah, like, what is that about? Because he listens, like, I don't know.

Yeah. Kind of like a rock. Well, see the Bob Willett-Stewn feud that we didn't talk about? It seems like a work. Oh, no. One never knows with the great stewstone. If I haven't said it yet,

I want to thank you both for giving so much time to this quarterly deep dive into the TMU, especially the guy who actually puts a lot of time into it. That's Tyler Campbell. Oh, it's essential. You know, if we don't do it, who will? You took the day off work.

I did. And you did that great job. Like, you were amazing. But yeah, Cam, I'm just messing. with you. It's amazing. It's like a commute is ridiculous and you're here. That's okay. I think Proust is shorter than your commute. Takes a while. It's a big

city. Yeah. So thank you and also thank you to anyone. I almost feel like we should drop a secret word right here and find out, did Y, Y, Y, Y, Z, sorry, Y, Y, Zed Gord get to this word. What's a good word we could drop right now? Cannonball.

Cannon. Yeah, that's good. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Good jam. Yeah. Cannonball. Cannonball. Cannonball. Anna Cian.

Cannonball. Taking a note over here. Hook it to my veins. Hoke it to my veins. It's like three and a half. It's almost four hours. I'm not happy. I am.

What was it weird? You called me? Wow. You said I was agitated. You were agitated. You were agitated. I don't like these being four hours. Okay.

Well, let's just let's make the call right now. We'll go to 10 episodes. Let's unpack that later. Yeah. Let's go to 10 episodes. But it is fun. Of course it's fun. I'd do 20.

Let's do 20. Love you guys for doing this. I feel like I should take the advice given by Derek Dan. I'm going to start saying, I love you. Love you both. To more people. Elvis says it to me and it makes me like worried he's dying or something. He'll be, I love you, man.

I go, oh, shit, he's dying. Oh. I hope he's not dying. Shout out to Andy who says FOTM cast is my favorite. Oh. She's still listening, eh? Yeah. That's why I let her have episode 9.

Leslie is still here and Al, the Royal Pain, is here. Well, Al Grego shed some beef. I saw him at TML.M. He's looking trim. Honestly, he looked like he was ready to fucking jump in the wrestling ring as ravishing Rick Rood or something. He looked trim. He looked trim. Looking good, Grego, not to be confused, of Alan Gregg, who had great concern for another FOTM. But I won't name that person until I know that person's okay. And that...

Nice. It's two stone. And that brings us to the end of our 1,986 show. I'm embarrassed. I said it was 81987 off the top. We'll cover that in January. With the Nico Stratus episode, which is very good, everybody. Go to tronomike.com for all your Toronto Mike needs.

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Oh yeah. Katie Dawson's on next week. Oh, yeah. That's a big one. I'll be interesting. No, wait. Don't miss it. Bye-bye.