Toronto Mike'd: The Official Toronto Mike Podcast - Garvia Bailey: Toronto Mike'd #444

Episode Date: March 25, 2019

Mike chats with broadcaster Garvia Bailey about co-founding Jazzcast, working for the CBC and JAZZ.FM, raising a teenaged daughter and more.

Welcome to episode 444 of Toronto Mic'd, a weekly podcast about anything and everything. Proudly brought to you by Great Lakes Brewery, Propertyinthe6.com, Alma Pasta, Fast Time Watch and Jewelry Repair, Buckle, and Camp Ternasol. Repair, Buckle, and Camp Turnasol. I'm Mike from TorontoMike.com and joining me this week is broadcaster, host, and co-founder of JazzCast, Garvia Bailey. Welcome Garvia. Hi Mike. I love your theme song so much. Thank you. It's the best. I was like, every time I hear it, I'm like, what do I have to do to get someone to write me a theme song like that?

What do I have to do? You must be connected. In fact, I know, like, get Heather to make you a theme song. That's true. Heather Bambrick. That's a good point. You know what? I have a lot of people in my stable that I could probably just tap and ask them to make me a theme song.

But this one is particularly sweet. I like it. So again, thank you, Ill Vibe. Ill Vibe is the local rapper producer who put that together. Amazing. The theme song existed for episode one and this is 444, which is kind of a neat number. I love that number. I'm number 444. 444. People would give anything to be 444 and I saved it for you. Thank you very much. I appreciate that very much. And

you have, you not only have, did you save it it for me but you've been so patient patiently waiting for me to make my way to south etobicoke do you want to know patience then talk to danny elwell because i'm pretty sure you waited longer for her years of course because she's like that and for years and years and she's like, nobody cares. Nobody loves me. And everyone's like, everyone loves Danny. Everyone loves Danny. I love Danny. Like, I mean, Danny is like my heart. I adore that woman. But she's going to be the first person that goes, no, nobody likes me.

I was like, come on. And meanwhile, her episode was epic. Like it was like she quits on air she just everything was happening there was a lot going on for her episode and i felt like you know what i think you almost got her at the the perfect time because it was just like she had stuff to get off her her chest but also was just like, I don't know, whatever. I'll just do whatever. Let me just do this.

You know, so that's good. And she hinted at something coming, like, but she wouldn't quite like tell me what it was, but she's like, something is in the works. And it turns out like she was referring to JazzCast. Yeah. And here, drop the names of the co-founders. Okay. So Walter Vinafro, who is a fantastic broadcaster, obviously.

Heather Bambrick, who has been here, the Juno Award nominee and incredible, incredible singer and wonderful, wonderful broadcaster. And of course, Danny Elwell, who I have listened to since, I hate to age anyone. I hate doing this, but I've probably been listening to Danny for 20 years, maybe.

You're not aging her. We talked about, oh, like you were on, you know, you were on CFNY. I listened to her, her alternative bedtime hour. I listened to all, like I, I adored Dani before I knew her and I was starstruck when I first met her on, um, when I realized that we lived very close to each other in downtown Toronto. And then I would walk by her flower shop and I was like, that's Dani Elwell in there. Wait, she has a, do I know this? Does she have a flower shop? She used to have this really great shop called Cindy Lou Who on Ossington, which was the best flower shop. Really quirky.

She always had the best flowers. She put together these incredible arrangements. She is a woman of many talents. I'm going to tell you. I don't even know like if I knew that, but you're all talented. So it's, it's you. Yep. It's me daniel walter heather bambrick and walter vinafro that's right you got it i know what a team it's a dream team it's like the all-star game that's right but of radio no that's right i guess i need walter on the show like so it doesn't look like i'm favoring uh the woman in this uh jazz cast you know what women like to be favored so we'll just go with that because yeah it's i mean no pressure gervia but like danny and heather both gave such good

podcasts like you've got a lot of pressure i think are you on you you know what i feel no pressure i feel no pressure i you know you can throw down that gauntlet if you want but i am me they are they let's just make this thing happen i got a big fat lasagna in front of me right now like all of the things are coming together mike i think i think i'm gonna be fine i don't know it might not be as epic as as danny and heather but there'll be something for people to listen to that's all i'm here okay i'm gonna let me throw down you said throw down the gauntlet. I'm going to throw this down before we give you your gifts here. Okay.

Turn it up to 11. Here we go. With another brand new measure of the equalizer like tic-tac-toe connect the dots on spot as I blow off the blocks beyond bionic like I was forced on chronic

Let's take it to another level Are you a rebel? Have you ever danced with the devil? Damn, I never knew so many suckers bust around I got to be straight

bumper-checking fools crowd around do what you want Like my heart rate has increased. Like I'm excited now. You don't even understand the kind of chair dancing that's happening right now. Seriously. I'm throwing down in your chair. Oh, what?

Mishi. I think I have a major crush on Mishi. Maybe I think I always have had this. Me too. Don't worry. Me too. Don't worry. Me too. Don't worry. You know, there was a time when I lived downtown Toronto.

If you can picture this, shaved head completely, like down to nothing. Big, not Doc Martens, but actual military boots. Like high steel toes. Which is why you're going to TNT after this. Steel toes, right, to get another pair. A little tiny kilt mini skirt thing. A little tiny white tank top. And then dancing to this at Sneaky D's every single night and requesting it every single night.

Is this your favorite Ragged Death song? Yes. That's my favorite Ragged Death song. It's by far. It's like it is listening to it right now. It hasn't aged for one. I'm going to put it right back on my workout playlist as soon as I get home. And I adore Mishi. I think that she is an unsung hero

of the music industry here in this country. And Regedeth was doing something that no one was doing. So I've got all kinds of time for this. I listen to this. You could just, you know what? My whole episode could just be this on a loop if you want. I also loved how this song ends.

Like that last word at the very end. Yeah. I'm going to make sure we get quiet for it, but yeah, which is killer. And I just recently met her for the first time. Yeah. That was a great episode.

So did you enjoy it? Were you starstruck? Did you feel like, did your heart go pitter patter? Did you freak it out just a little bit? Like pretty much like, okay, let me show you.

So she gave me like, she gave me some gifts here. Oh. Which I have. It's actually right beside the Heather Bambrick. Oh, I didn't bring you any gifts. That's okay. I brought myself as a gift. And a little chair dancing.

I brought that too. You're a gift enough. And was that, yeah, starstruck? I would say it was amazing. Like it's one of my favorite episodes of all time is the mishimi episode without a doubt just checking the time i don't want to miss the ending but yeah yeah you don't you don't want to miss the time you don't want to miss the ending um she is i'll listen to this Are you a rebel? Have you ever danced with the devil? I got you stuck on my realness Y'all raise your hands one time if you can feel this

You live your life on that level Are you a rebel? Have you ever danced with the devil? I got you stuck on my realness Y'all raise your hands one time if you can feel this You live your life on that level Are you a rebel? Have you ever danced with the devil? I got you stuck on my realness Y'all raise your hands one time if you can feel this

You live your life on that level. Are you a rebel? Have you ever danced with the devil? I got you stuck on my realness. Y'all raise your hands one time if you can feel this. You live your life on that level. Are you a rebel? Have you ever danced with the devil?

I got you stuck on my realness. Y'all raise your hands one time if you can feel this. You live your life on that level. Are you a rebel? Have you ever danced with the devil? I got you stuck on my realness. Y'all raise your hands one time if you can feel this. You live your life on that level.

Are you a rebel? Now you better dance with the devil, bitch. There it is. That's so good. I know. It's so ridiculously good. It's from that time when like you had a lot of, I think you had a lot of like hard rock

and then you had like rap fusions going on. Like when Public Enemy did the anthrax of Bring the Noise. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what? I was just listening to an interview with Rick Rubin on Malcolm Gladwell has this started that, you know, that podcast is called uh broken record yeah

um and uh he started with rick rubin and rick rubin was talking about the about being you know of that first ilk that was putting together you know rock and roll and hip-hop you know when they decided to do when he decided to do walk this way with right that's like the first one that was one of the that was one of the first ones. And there was something super cool about the way that Rick talked about it. He didn't talk about, I'm going to make this thing that becomes this crossover hit. He was intentional. He was like, I want to bring hip hop to the suburbs, and I'm going to do this with intent.

How am I going to do this? This is what's going to work. It makes perfect sense. Run DMC were like, this is crazy. This is whack. We're not doing this. This is horrible. Listen to, look at these lyrics. This is like, this is like barn dance lyrics. We're not doing this. And they went ahead and they did it. It became one of the biggest hits ever. And I am so about the idea of doing things with intent, not with like, I want, I want the most ratings. I want to make the most money. I want the most, you know, I want, I want this to be on top of the charts. I love the idea of saying my intention is for hip hop to get out of here and move everywhere for people to realize that it's real music.

And this was this is how I'm going to do it. And I was like, Rick Rubin, you're the best. Amazing. And did you own the Judgment Night soundtrack? I didn't. I didn't. I should have, though, right? Yeah.

So because I was really into I was really into this fusion. I love everything I found, like the ragged death and all that. And then this soundtrack came out for Emilio Estevez, like this movie. Yeah. Judgment Night. And the soundtrack was basically it was pairing up like hip hop rap artists with hard rock artists. That was the whole premise.

I don't know how that soundtrack. And it's honestly, it's amazing. Like it's you need to hear the Judgment Night's honestly uh it's amazing like it's uh you need to hear uh the judgment night soundtrack and i still listen to it do you have it yeah of course do you have is it on cassette no no no i had the cd okay i had the cd and uh yeah i'm still play it all the time though i love it i'm gonna i'm gonna have to borrow it from you because uh because i think that that kind of fusion and that sort of crossover is just, it's so important,

not just musically to advance any kind of the music that you're listening to, but I think it's also important kind of socially to bring, because music is such a, it has such that power to show these different sides of what I was listening to another podcast today about country music and why country music makes you cry. And I was like, Oh, I just wanted to go and listen to country all afternoon.

And all of a sudden I started to understand parts of middle America and thinking about it, you know, about how people think, you know? So I love the way that, that music does that. And I,

I, I dig that that that fusion between rock and roll and hip-hop i like that a lot so look at all this that we have in common i was thinking about your name yes and i don't even want you to tell me the story yet because i had a fan fiction like so i went on a bike ride and i started like oh no it's like a fantasy okay like you know i'm gonna fantasy like not a sexual fantasy but like a i had this like yeah like a daydream kind of thing right okay so i'm gonna put us into the way back machine here okay are you a baseball fan oh yeah i do like baseball i know who you're

thinking of do you yeah okay okay let me do this thing just in case okay so uh so uh you know before that you know basically uh that, you know, basically, and this is going to tie in nicely with Brian Gerstein. So, but Expos fans, Montreal Expos fans, right? Okay, so in 1981, the Expos went to the NLCS to play the Los Angeles Dodgers. And the Expos had a two game, it's a best of five, I should point out, not a best of seven, best of five.

And the Expos had a two games to one lead, and they were tied late in game four. If the Expos win this game four, they go to the World Series. It's big. This is big. Big deal. And of course, the Blue Jays didn't get to the World Series until 1992.

This is 1981, when the Blue Jays were still very, very bad. Yeah, they were struggling. Yeah, like an expansion team shit. Unless you're the Vegas Knights, but that's another story. So we have a moment late in game number four. Yeah. Tie game. And this happens.

Here's the pitch. Swung on a high fly ball left field. Going back as Reigns. He won't get it. And this happens. just teed off on a fastball by Bill Gullickson and the Dodgers lead by two. What I want to hear from, like, I just want to take a clip of Garvey just teed off and use that somewhere. I'm just going to take, I'm just going to grab that. I'm just going to use it.

Uh, yeah. Steve Garvey. Okay. So yeah. So my thing, this is just based on this bike ride i'm thinking garvia like i just don't know any garvias well yes of course you don't know any garvias i know of maybe two garvias and they are we're named after me

like we're named have the same name as me so um and i know another garvey my my best friend's son his name is garvey but um i it wasn't steve garvey see this is what happens although even though even though my my my dad loves baseball like love because okay so then i'm like okay i'm doing this whole thing like obviously it's not from, but Garvey was a perennial all-star. Like a lot of people say he should be in the Hall of Fame. Absolutely. So he was, he was big. Much like myself.

I am a Hall of Famer. Right. That's what I was going to say. So where does Garvey come from? Well, Garvey comes from, actually, it's a, it's a little bit deeper than that. My friend, a little history lesson for you. I was named after Marcus Garvey, who is, was a pan Africanist. He was a Jamaican. People would say that the start of the civil rights movement in the United States and worldwide

came out of Garvey and his teachings. He started the United Negro Improvement Association, Negro Improvement Association, one that was all over the world. And it was all about Africans going back to Africa and repatriating Africa at some point and being the best people that they could be. And my mother was a real Garveyite. And when she had me back in Jamaica at an undisclosed year. She named me Garvia, but she named my brothers, all of my brothers have the middle name Garvey as well. So she was really, really into her Marcus Garvey. And the interesting thing about it is that my mom was like a real Christian, really, really, really fundamentalist Christian. And being a Garveyite and being a

Christian weren't necessarily copacetic like it was kind of seen as being like you were a real rebel if you were it was like being a member of the Black Panther Party or something okay and then being a Christian at the same time it just didn't seem to to gel so she was a bit of a closet Garveyite but she started naming her kids. Which takes it out of the closet. Which takes it completely out of the closet. And then as we grew up, she didn't really tell us about our names. She let us kind of discover what it meant to carry the name. So when you have a name like Garvey, that's about social justice and equal rights and black self-determination and all of that it kind of it comes with it comes with a bit of baggage but it comes it totally puts

to shame my silly baseball theory like I feel like silly now you shouldn't feel silly it's like Steve Garvey as soon as you said as soon as you said Expos I was like yeah Steve Garvey because a lot of people just thought that but as I was growing up I think most people probably thought that it I was named after Steve Garvey and I probably didn't bother to correct anyone so Stratford if you're listening I was named after Marcus Garvey very okay very interesting um now people talk about that uh Blue Monday so game five in that series is Blue Monday because Rick Monday hits the, I guess it was a two to one.

It was very tight. It was like two to one game. And I guess Rick Monday in the ninth, I think, hits the home run to win it for the Dodgers. That's game five. That's it. They go to the World Series. Yeah.

But looking back, and I did not, like I was too young to really, I wasn't watching this in 81, actually. But that game four, when you're tied up in the eighth inning, and that two-run homer makes it three to one, Steve Garvey, that's the moment in the series. That is it. That is it. That's the pinnacle.

That's the pinnacle. The pinnacle. So Expos fans must hate hearing that. And I mention Expos fans because the biggest Expos fan I know is Brian Gerstein from propertyinthesix.com. And he is a proud sponsor of this very program. And he wants to share a message with everybody. So I'm just going to play a little bit of Brian. Propertyinthesix.com

Hi, Garvia. Brian Gerstein here, sales representative with PSR Brokerage and proud sponsor of Toronto Mike. Now is the time to contact me for a free home evaluation if you are considering selling your home and or looking to buy during the busy spring market. You can also call or text me at 416-873-0292 if you're interested in the Galleria Mall condo redevelopment, my brokerage is exclusively selling late spring. Breaking news.

As the sports media roundtable with Mike, Hebsey, Milan, and I will be reconvening on Monday, April the 8th. We have lots of sports media news to discuss. The best part is none of us are tied to Rogers or Bell, so you will hear honest debate and discussion. Now back to Garvia. Aw. Thanks, Brian. Two things there. One is, yes, April 8th. Well, maybe actually there's break. It might not be April 8th, but I think it will be.

But we're going to get, we have a crew that gets together to talk about sports media in this country it's me Milan from Fast Time and we'll talk about him later and Brian from Property in the Six and Mark Hebbshire I love Hebbsy Hebbsy's yeah he's a huge fan huge fan he's amazing yeah you should listen to Hebbsy on sports I I love I love I put you on the spot there I know but I will and you should just have me on your sports panel. Cause I. Well, I'll tell you what, I'll kick Brian off and put you in his spot.

Why don't you just sneak me in? I'm into it. I, you know what? When I was at the CBC, I was, um, for a while I was angling to try and do sports. I was like, I really, really, really want to do sports. I want to do sports. Cause I'm a Jack. want to do sports i want to do sports because i'm a jack you're because you do you do arts we'll get to cbc for sure i do arts but i do i do like my sports but you're you're well-rounded individual that you think i am i think i'm a generalist maybe

i like a lot of things you're a jack of all trades i'm a jill of all things yes i am absolutely what was the other thing oh yeah the other thing so brian april 8th is oh yeah gallery of malls so uh can you can you talk to me about uh have you been to the gallery of mall i of course i've been to the gallery of mall you'd be surprised are you kidding me i have been to that mall i have walked around that mall when i had when my daughter was little i would and it would be not great outside you got to go somewhere yeah and the thing i loved about the galleria mall was that there was barely anyone in the mall which is why it's a condo development now i i would expect but um it what it's like the it's a cool piece of our history and i'm kind of excited that the name

will kind of continue on in that is it that it sounds like the name's going to continue it better like there'll be riots in the street i think i think so did you see any of the art shows that they've had in the mall no i haven't like i heard about them the best the best the coolest thing all and i was like and i kind of looked around in that kind of older hipster way like like at the young people that were were taking it in i was like you know what you guys don't even know what the galleria mall is here you are enjoying all your art and whatnot i used to come here when there was like one pay phone and maybe three stores were open did you ever uh eat at el amigo no that's in the middle the one right in the

middle yes that's el amigo uh and i didn't are they going to keep that when they build wouldn't that be cool i worked at the okay right now it's a fresh co but that's right it was a uh and then before that it was a price chopper but before that it was a food city and i worked at the food city you did for five years i was a price chopper. But before that, it was a food city. And I worked at the food city. You did? For five years, I was a grocery clerk in the Galleria Mall. I kind of feel like that it was also a Zeller's. The Zeller's was on the other end.

On the other side. Yes, that anchored the other end. Yes, I'm right, of course. So was that one of your first jobs? So I worked at the X for C CNE seasonally for a few years. And I worked at a McDonald's at Bloor and Runnymede. And then I had a kind of a funny story, I think.

So of course I'm in, I'm in high school and I'm, of course I'm kicking ass at McDonald's. Of course. And flip those flies, fries, Mike. I was really good.

And I used to open on the weekends and stuff. Nice. You got keys and everything every Saturday Sunday 6 to whatever 12 30 or whatever and um so there was time for a review like there's this guy named we literally we called him mcdoug so his name's doug and his license plate and I hope I'm not I guess you can out on but it's his license plate but I think his license plate said mc. It did not. It did, yeah. He was really into his job.

Was he the manager? He was the salary manager, which I guess that's not the head manager. But it's just a, he's like a financial guy. He's a guy, he had a key to the cash register stuff or whatever. And so he does my review. And of course it's all excellent, right? Of course. And then he says, we're really proud to offer you a raise.

Okay. And I'm like, I wasn't proud to offer you a raise. Okay. And I'm like, I wasn't expecting like McDonald's would double my salary, but like, you know, I think it was 6.85 or something is what I was making or something. It went up to 6.85? No, that's what I was making. Oh, wow. That's pretty good. And he says, what a great review.

We're happy to offer you an extra 10 cents an hour. $6.95. You know what? The thing is, he couldn't even say 15 cents to put you at an even seven bucks. And he said 10 cents an hour. Oh, man. And I actually, this is all true. I looked at Doug and I was just some cocky high school kid or whatever.

And I said, Doug, I said, on an average week, I might get like 20 hours. And I think I said to him, like, so basically before taxes, I'm going to get an extra $2 a week. I said, I said, I said to him, I said, Doug, I would have been less insulted if you didn't offer me anything. Like if you didn't give me, you did not say that to me. Yes, I did. And then I quit and went to a food city. That's when it happened. You know what? That was the catalyst. I'm telling you. You got to stand up for yourself.

You have to stand up for yourself. That's a good start right there. And from then on, you never, ever took guff from the McDuggs of your life. No, McDuggs, that's right. And you know what? We all have. You know what? I'm going to tell you.

I'm going to get really philosophical here with you, Mike. We all have McDuggs in our lives. And at some point, we all have to say to the mcdougs that are holding us down sorry bro i'm out take this dime and shove it that's right mcdoug dime mcdoug i don't think you know it's like episode 444 that story i've never i don't think i've ever told it before the mcdoug dime story but that that's how it went down uh i want to give you some gifts because you alluded to the lasagna. That is yours, Garvia. That is a big lasagna.

Are you going to be able to lift that to the car? I worked out this morning, yes. Palma pasta. Today was chest day, so I'll probably do a few more somethings with this. Palma pasta. And you asked me if I wanted meat meat or veg i went with the meat yes because i i enjoy that and that's a meat and this is uh beautiful and also on top of this palma okay so let's give a little love to palma first which is uh where where are they located

they are in mississauga and oakville fantastic do they cater they cater? They cater. This is a, in fact, I'm, yes, they absolutely cater. Look at you. You're like a professional here. You need to go to palmapasta.com. I had my wedding catered by this company before they were a sponsor of any kind, of course.

And, uh, yeah, I, I, I happily paid that invoice because it was such great value, but the food was amazing. Yeah.

They catered my wedding. Did they do your cake and everything? Or did you get cakes? I know cake. They don't do cake. Yeah. food was amazing. Yeah. They catered my wedding. Did they do your cake and everything? Or did you get cake separately? No, cake was another company. They don't do cake. Yeah. Cake is different. Yeah.

It's a whole separate thing. I know. Yeah. But yeah, all the food came from Palma. Delicious. And they were amazing. And they cater events. At my kids' daycare, we have this like yearly, like we get together.

I don't know. We have a board and stuff. Yeah. Yeah. And that's catered by Palma Pasta. Very nice. They're amazing. Now, do they do mostly Italian fare or do they branch out as well?

No, this is mostly Italian fare. This is the best fresh pasta in Italian food in Mississauga. Cannolis, I bet. Leave the gun. Take the cannoli. Yes. What is that from again? The Godfather.

The Godfather. Leave the gun, take the cannoli. You know what? I wanted to say that it was from The Office because I think that Michael Scott botches it at some point. Probably. I can see him doing it. China's the Godfather. Michael Scott. Michael Scott. Yeah, I could see him doing it. China's got a godfather.

Michael Fka. Michael Fka. Yeah, I could see that. Office is great. But the godfather is better. And Palma Pasta is the best. So go to palmapasta.com. Yes, there's also a six pack of fresh craft beer beside you. Garvia, I feel like Oprah here.

I'm just giving you a gift. I know. Is there a car in the driveway that I'm going to walk away with that has a big bow on it? Should I check under my seat right now and there'll be the keys to my brand new boat? I wish you would steal my car. This is my great wish. Nobody will take it. I'm not going to take your car.

I saw your car. You're a lovely person. I don't need your car. But you know, Oprah, I know we're supposed to talk about Great Lakes. No, talk about Oprah. But I just want to talk about, have you ever seen the super cut of Oprah? Because I've always, being a black woman in media, I've always looked to, you know, the masters. Oprah being one of them.

Fantastic interviewer. Fantastic personality. Ridiculously wealthy., like wealthy beyond all. I'm going to write Oprah a note and just ask her for a few bucks. I am. She probably never gets mail like that. Never. She never gets mail from Garvia Bailey.

I'm going to send her something. She'll think it's Steve Garvey. Anyway, she might. She might. I'll say that I was divorced from Steve Garvey as a very young bride, blah, blah, blah. Um,

but she, there's a super cut of her introducing guests and she does it in her Oprah way. So it's like, my Toronto, my Tom Cruise. Like, and it just goes on and on.

And I was like, I want to have a radio show where i can introduce people like that that's fantastic and get really big now yes back to great lakes just for a moment uh i want everybody to uh go to great lakes brewery like i always say it's down the street from the costco but i can read the address on the case there it's actually 30 queen elizabeth boulevard which is near like Royal York and Queensway. And it is also the location for TMLX3, which takes place on June 27th from 6 p.m. to 9 p.m.

Garvia. Yes. You're invited. What date is it? June 27. It's a Thursday from 6 to 9. what date is it? June 27 it's a Thursday from 6 to 9 the headlining

performance will be by by Garvey Bailey by Garvey Bailey I better start playing my guitar lowest of the low coolest of the cool that's great I'm going to come I'll be there

you should come I'm actually going next Thursday I'm invited to an exclusive listening party for the that's great i i'm gonna come i'll be there you should come i'm actually go going next next thursday i'm invited like to an exclusive listening party for the brand new lowest of the low album i feel like an arts critic or something you know what you are quite the man about town mike all over the place i know that so june the 27th which is also my 45th birthday. Shut the front door. Shut the front door. I should make a cake for you and bring it.

I can make a cake. I would eat a cake you made. I would make you a cake. So it's going to be your 45th birthday. The Lowe's of the Lowe's is going to be playing for the first time in however long. Well, they play. They're still playing. Do they play still? Yes. See yes i feel out of the loop i'm sorry sorry i my apologies to the lowest of the low coolest band very much looking forward to it i will be there on the 27th they're still

very active i mean they just recorded a new album but uh this is not something they typically will do they don't they for they usually you know you want the lowest of the low to play at your brewery then you know here's the uh the invoice you need to pay this or whatever but uh we're we have such a good relationship i like us at toronto mike which is just me by the way yes and the guys at lowest of the low that we help each other out and great lakes brewery and great lakes brewery yeah in, what Great Lakes is doing, which is amazing, is they're going to buy everyone their first beer. Like you could show up,

have the beer that Great Lakes bought for you. Love it. Hopefully you'll buy a $5 pint or something from the food truck, but you're going to get great live music because I have a band called The Royal Pains that's going to open. And then I make some

cool speeches and jokes and introduce some people. And then Lowest of the Low are going to come on and play us out. It's going to be a fantastic three hours. So hope to see you there. And I would hope that by that time it's warm outside. We can hang

out. It'll be all all it'll be a very lovely evening i will be there i've recorded this garvia i'm gonna be there i'm gonna i'm gonna come out and can i just give one more little shout out to great lakes brewery nope they've had their no of course you can can i just say that all of their branding and packaging is the best they really do a great job i mean they do an uh you know it sticks in your mind you always want to it's the packaging to me is half the battle with these things you know i want to open this beer and i want to drink it because it's got it's got a a dachshund a little dachshund on there a little puppy and he's got a dachshund, a little dachshund on there, a little puppy. And he's got a top hat. And he's real classy.

Restrained jubilation. No doubt. It's a logger. They do a great job on their names and their stories. I know that I think you've got in there, you've got a pompous ass. I've got a pompous ass. I've got an octopus wants to fight IPA. I got it all.

Good for you. That's all yours. Take that home. Thank you very much. Enjoy responsibly with your lasagna. Yes, I will. And how old is your daughter? Oh my goodness.

Is she still teenager? Can I do it for you in eye rolls? Because that's how she communicates with me. She's 18. Yeah. 18. So next year, college or university. She's going to university. Okay, because she's 18 yeah 18 so next year college or university she's going to university okay she's in grade 12 now she's in grade 12 she's just like i told her i drove her to to school

when uh in february as the new semester was starting and i said so are you so excited to go back to school and she's like no it really sucks and i said but this is your last few months of high school dude it's like this is it can you remember your last months of high school it was so it was so big and so daunting and so exciting and all of that stuff because it was going to be over so i was taught i was telling her about this and she was like oh whatever i just sometimes she just speaks to me in breaths so well you've written i've written pieces by you about raising a teenage girl yes and particularly like when to let go oh my goodness and i'm i'm legit curious because I have a teenage girl too. How old is yours?

She's going to be 15 in July. Yeah, that's tough. So she's grade nine right now. Okay. And I mean, I will have another one in many, many years.

Right, right. Cause you have a little, little one too. Who, uh, all weekend did every pee in the potty. And it was a big deal.

Yeah, it's a big deal. Huge high fives. Yes, it was very good. Uh, so I mean, I don't, we'll see how that, cause it was a big deal yeah it's a big deal huge high five yes it was very good uh so i mean i don't we'll see how that that was a good weekend that is a good weekend yes so when my daughter was uh toilet being toilet trained my ex-husband uh he was my husband at the time but all we did was take her to his grenadian mom's house in Guelph, drop her off for the weekend. And when we went and picked her up,

she was toilet trained completely. Can I drop off Morgan at this Grenadian woman? Yeah, you can. And I didn't ask any, it's like, don't ask, don't tell. It's like dealing with the mob. Don't ask what methods she used to make it happen. Just drop her off. Oh, that's funny.

She's toilet trained. Give her back and you just say thank you and move on with your life. Well, maybe that's happened here. I don't know. But back to the teenagers. Yes. Can you share with us a little bit about what you learned about letting go and raising a teenage girl? Yeah.

go and raising a teenage girl yeah well my my teenage girl is particular in that she has always been pretty self self-determined she doesn't follow as my parents would say and my Jamaican mother would say she doesn't follow fashion she it's not if her friends are doing something it's you're not guaranteed that she's going to want to do it she'll just say no I don't feel like doing that that sounds stupid and then and that's her and she will just say it that way. So with her, um, I think in the piece that you read, it talks about the fact that she has sickle cell anemia. And so, uh, so she has, she has to deal with pain a lot. And so she has pain medication and she has to deal with all of the things that go along with that. And she's had to deal with that ever since she was nine when she was diagnosed. So she came to be really her own person around that. By the time she was 10 years old, she knew what she needed to do to take care

of herself. She knew what she needed to do to manage her pain properly. She knew how to communicate that to other people, to doctors, to myself, to her dad, whatever. So letting go of her started super, super early for me. Like I felt like she had that this really important part of her life dealt with in a way that when I was nine or 10, I could barely, you know, I could barely tie my own shoes, but she had stuff down. Like she was like, I got this. Don't worry, mom. It's cool. I got this. And then when she got to high school and then she got to, you have to, when you have a chronic disease, you have to learn how to be your own advocate. And so she became her own advocate

so, so quickly and in such a strong way. And I think, I'm not sure what came first. I don't know a chicken egg scenario here, but I think a part of her being the type of teenager that she is has something to do with having to grow up in that way. So the fact that now she doesn't, none of her friends can tell her what to do. They all call her for advice. I hear her on the phone all the time saying, you know what, T, what you need to do is just break up with him and just stop following him on Insta. You don't need that.

You don't need that shit in your life. You know, I hear her with these kinds of conversations. I was like, okay, you're that person in your friend group. I'm good with that. So letting go of her has been, it's going to be hard though when she, she's going to end up going away probably to Montreal to go to school.

And I'm going to tell you, I'm going to be in Montreal every weekend. She might not know it, but I'm going to be there. Oh, what a coincidence. What are you doing here? Oh my goodness. What am I doing in this bar for teenagers? Whatever. Want to dance? Yeah. She's going to love that. So letting go, it's, it's a,

it's a process, man. I'm all I'm saying is that if you raised a pretty cool kid with a good moral compass, letting go becomes a lot easier because you know that you've already done the groundwork so that's my advice to you my friend yeah i think that's everything is if you trust your uh daughter yeah she's responsible and she's proven that she's trustworthy and responsible it's much easier to let let go but aren't you afraid are you afraid like be honest at 15 she's 15 yeah your daughter yeah is there a little trepidation? Because she's going to be going, high school, she's in grade nine.

Yes, she's in grade nine. Yeah. So. I honestly am not worried at all. Like, I was actually, I wanted to hear your take on that. I had read the piece and share, because people listening, I think,

would be maybe having difficulty letting go. I actually don't think I'm having difficulty letting go. You're not having difficulty. I don't think so. I trust her. Like, she's she's already like she called me the other night uh she was walking to the subway station or whatever and we were talking about uh i think we're talking about some arch madness stuff and everything but and i'm we're talking and it it's she i realized like she's already like out and about on her own in the big city

doing her thing. Yeah. She's got lots of friends. She gets exceptional marks. Like her grades are great. Yeah. We talk all the time. Like I, and I,

I'm going to sound like, uh, Oh, you're so gullible, but we talk all the times about like drugs and stuff. Like, and I, I legit,

I swear to you so you can see, I really believe this, that she would tell me if she was dabbling in any uh trust me i'm telling you that i i know that my daughter and her friends i'm the mom that they would call if any of them got into trouble with anything i i know that for a fact that i'm the mom that they would call not because i'm like loosey goosey and be like oh you guys are partying how cool is that I think it's just because I talk about that stuff all the time they know you're you're going you're not going to be mad yeah I'm gonna be hella disappointed but I'm not yeah they'll be a talk later but I'm not gonna be freaking out you know

because I know that she's had situations where she's had friends where she has snuck alcohol out of the house and brought it to a friend's house where after the X, they had gone to the CNE. And that friend ended up in hospital that night. Oh, wow. But my kid came home before she ended up in hospital, walked home and, and came to me. I was like, why aren't you supposed to be with your friends, partying, whatever, having a good time, having fun. And she was like, no, I don't like the, I didn't like the direction that the party was going, you know?

And I was like, what? And she said, I just didn't. And then I got the call that, that, and then she pulled out, then she pulled out a little water bottle that had about this, like, like probably an inch left or half an inch of pure Jameson's left. And she said it was almost full of Jameson's and her friend drank it. Wow. Yeah. But this is really good on your part that your daughter knew that if she wasn't comfortable in a situation, she knew she had the courage, like, I can leave and go to where I feel safe. Yeah, she's like, I can extract myself. She feels no way.

She doesn't care about, you know, impressing people or what people are going to think about her. Or maybe she does care about it, but not in the way that leads her down a path of doing x all night and right and you know we're getting like alcohol we're getting alcohol poisoning that's right yeah that's right and having to deal with that and she got in so much trouble for that whole taking the booze out of the house that was not a good look so i don't know raising i don't know about you but i feel like as a person in my 40s as well, that I feel like I'm barely old enough. Like, I can't believe that someone is letting me raise a person. Like, I feel like I am barely keeping it together myself. I feel like I'm still a bit of a teenager myself.

I don't know if you ever get out of that mindset where I'm like, I'm a very mature adult now raising a child. I'm always like, I cannot believe that someone has given me this person and now I'm in charge of it to raise it. That's like, I mean, my oldest is just a bit younger than your oldest. So, uh, James is, he's 17. Right. So, I mean, I have that too. Uh, but yeah. And, uh, and uh like i i don't know uh i feel maybe because i i'm now getting my kids potty trained at the same time that i feel a bit like a i don't know i feel a bit like a salty vet like a little bit like i've been here before well especially because my wife uh is doing it all for the first time right she Right. So my third and fourth kids are my wife's first kids. Right. So it's like she, everything's the first time. And I'm like, uh, I've got like over

a decade or more. You've got two decades. That's two, that's probably two decades. I was doing the math. Like when did I potty train Michelle? But you're right. That's a long time ago. Uh, but yeah, so it's sort of a bit like i've been there done that it's it like i feel a bit like this calmness like uh like you're grizzled veteran or whatever yes for sure for sure and you are i mean we have been through the fire like we have been to war my friend but i've never had like you're you got the 18 year old daughter i have a 14 year old daughter who is honestly a very honestly an honest sweetheart. I really like her.

She's very dependable, responsible. But, you know, I don't know what it will look like when she's like a 17 or an 18. You never know. And that's the thing with these little beings that they're given to us. You roll the dice. You hope for the best. You cross your fingers. You cross your toes.

And you hope that at 18 you're not dealing with a hellion or something worse so that's all you can do is you just got to hope like there's so much faith that goes into parenting like there's a lot of like you know you work really hard and you try to teach them things and all of that but a whole lot of it is just blind faith because once they go out the door to school you don't know who they're going to hang out with you don't know who's going to turn their eye you don't know who they're going to end up you know being influenced by you don't know any of that you just cross your fingers and you hope that they're decent people that they hang out with and that they have some self-worth in them enough to stand up to whatever they need to and if i uh if i have any requirements

like for some uh mentorship or i'm gonna call you i'm right here you're you're a few years ahead of me you know what i'm opening it up to all of your toronto mike fans that i'm here if they want to tweet at me and they have some child rearing questions right feel free i'm at garvey's child at garvey's child uh after steve garvey of course that's right but you know so at tmlx3 okay we'll set you up with like your own table yes like oh really like right right and then when the listeners come we're all going to collect these are all like listeners of the show advice and if all of those with like teenage daughter questions are needing advice it's sort of like like was it sure lucy who had the uh was it lucy that's right that's

lucy yeah so five cents whatever so you know what we can do teenage daughter advice so i'm i don't mind teen advice i'm really good at romance advice okay i'm excellent at romance advice i have to say okay okay um what else i could do fashion advice too on it i need that i have no uh i'm not gonna I'm excellent at romance advice, I have to say. Okay. Okay? What else? I could do fashion advice, too, on it. I need that. I have no... I'm not even going to talk about what you're wearing right now. I'm not even going to go there.

Comfy roots jogging pants? They're really... I have the same jogging pants, by the way. They're very comfortable. They're great. There's no soft on the inside. Well, there's no video camera in here yet, and we're going to

take a photo afterwards but it's going to be like cropped right here right so i could be wearing like i know you could be you could be wearing a lovely skirt you're wearing a full circle skirt with crinoline but you're not no i'm not uh garvia let's go in back in that time machine that took us back we went so we went to 1981 to hear Steve Garvey hit that two-run homer. Yeah. Let's go back 40 years ago this week. Oh, my gosh. So 40 years ago this week.

What happened 40 years ago this week? This was the number one song on the Billboard Hot 100. little beachies I like it Wow. Does anyone even know what they're saying? You're good at that. I know. Oh, my mouth. Does anyone even know what they're saying? You're good at that. I know. That's the drop. That's what the kids call the drop. Right.

Tragedy. The Bee Gees. 40 years ago. Yep. 40 years ago this week. What a band. What a group of bros. Do you know what, yeah, do you know what Bee Gees stands for?

Of course you do. You know what Bee Gees stands for? Something, Barry Gibb? The Brothers Gibb. The Brothers Gibb. The Brothers Gibb. Yes, of course. The Gibb Brothers. The Brothers Gibb. They're not very, you know, that type of high in your head singing,

it takes a lot out of you to sing like that all the time. No one really gives them props for being tenacious in keeping up with that like every now and again i'm sure like one of them would be like can't we just sing like this like can't we just do a barry white classic and the other one's like no we're gonna sing like this again like that's it right always up in their heads right but it was so did you did you like disco did you did you get uh no not really

not really but you're really like you're just a little pup like yeah like babies when this was when this was hot but i had a sister yeah who was the disco queen i still have a sister she was the disco queen of all of stratford ontario oh you're from? Yes. I think I knew you're from small town, but I didn't know which small town. Yes, I was growed in Stratford. My parents came straight from Jamaica to Stratford. To Stratford. So I always wondered, why not come to the Big Smoke?

Well, okay, so they did really. Oh, let's hit this one. Yeah, right there. That's it. It's like scratching an itch when they get to that tragedy part. So my mom actually did come to the Big Smoke first. She came to Toronto on the, there was a scheme the Trudeau government had for domestic workers. So she came to Toronto and she worked down at like Bathurst and St. Claire for ages.

And then she sent for us after. So she stayed here. She was in Toronto all by herself for two years. And then she sent for the rest of her family. And we ended up in Stratford. Actually, we ended up in Tavistock, Ontario. I went to a Tim Hortons on my way back from Grand Bend. I went camping near Grand Bend. And on my way back from Grand Bend.

I went camping near Grand Bend. And so you're right in that area. Like that is, that's the place. I took note, like I never heard of Tavistock and I was at a Tim Hortons and I go, where are we? Oh, we're in Tavistock. Tavistock is something, it is really interesting in that when we ended up in Tavistock, my sister, the disco queen,

she had a big afro. She was like so cool, but she lands in Tavistock, Ontario, which is all Mennonites. Okay. Okay. Yeah.

So we're a black family. Right. Like you want to talk about a fish, like this is like Schitt's Creek, but like a little bit different in that we're the, like we're the, we're real fish out of water in this situation. Um,

and then my, my, my dad heard that, uh, there was going to be work in Stratford. Stratford was opening up. Stratford is full of industry. And they were opening a bunch of factories and stuff. And so my dad got really good work there. So we ended up in Stratford. And when do you end up in Toronto?

For university. My parents are still in Stratford. My brother is a teacher in Stratford. My other brother is a contractor in Stratford. So you went to U of T? I went to York. York. Playing basketball for Billy Pangos at York University.

Yeah. Okay, cool. Yeah. So I went to York and then ended up shaving my head and leaving university and being in downtown Toronto and being crazy, like really crazy. All right, we're going to come back to the crazy. First, I want to let everybody know that Remember the Time is brought to you by Fast Time Watch and Jewelry Repair. Milan from Fast Time is on that sports media panel that we're going to get back together in, I think, April 8th. We'll see.

That's also the day of my hockey pool draft. We're drafting my playoff pool that evening. Exclusive invitation only. That's an exciting day for you. It's a big day. And my son's fifth birthday is the next day, April 9th. It's all happening. That is a week.

That is a week for you. That's a good week. Get ready. So Fast Time has been doing quality watch and jewelry repairs for over 30 years. You might remember, Garvia, when you went to like a Sears Canada, they had like a watch repair place in Sears

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watches it really is quite the story I like that I like that a lot because it uh it a shows you that they're in it for the long haul so you're not gonna bring your watch in and then you show up next week and they're not there and your watch is gone like that's not gonna happen because they are they're like they're baked in as they say they're baked in. As they say, they are baked in. It's right there. Family run business. And love it. Sears really screwed them.

Like, I don't think they'd go on the record with that, but they got screwed because they weren't allowed to be branded as anything other than Sears. Right. Even though it was really another company. Well, yeah, go ahead. Yeah. Look where it brought Sears to be that type of organization. Look where they are now.

Where are they now? Where are they? They're still somewhere in the States, but hanging on by a thread, I think. Mostly bankrupt. Mostly bankrupt. Did you run down to Sears when you heard that they were going to be and see what... I tried to run down to Sears. I went to the one at...

There's one at Sherway Gardens. That's right. I went to that one too. There was nothing there. Yeah, it was actually very disappointing. I did want anything i was like no thank you serious you can just leave i said goodbye to you get out they were gone they were gone uh here let's finish this up and then we can just start you off uh get you to uh cbc but first... Little Nana Muscuri. This is La Tournesol,

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Me too. You just heard it. I just threw down all of the French that I sustained throughout high school. Now, what about your teenager? Did you consider putting her in French immersion? I did not consider putting her in French immersion, but she's taken French all throughout high school.

She's going to be fine. She's pretty good. She's not bad. She's going to be fine in Montreal, I figure. Montreal is pretty English. It is very English, but what I hope is that she picks up a whole lot of French. I don't want her to come back and bring a bunch of Nana Miscuri. But that's okay if she does.

I'm cool with that. But did you just choose that on your own? Because the name tie-in, you just found the track. How did that all work? I announced on Twitter that Camp, this is last, I'm going to say last April, maybe. Yeah, about last April, I announced on Twitter that we had a new sponsor, Camp Turnasol. And then Mark Weisblot from 1236 said, you should play this. And he sent me the YouTube clip of the song called Le Turnasol.

And I listened to that and I said, damn right I should play this every damn time. It's a very springy, summery kind of tune as well. It makes me want to run outside. I think tournesol, I think it means a sunflower in French. Oh, see? Running through the flowers. Right. So it all comes together.

That's lovely. All right, Garvia. Yes. You have a shaved head and you're in Toronto and you're cool. I'm cool. Yeah. Yeah. I'm something.

And did you have safety pins in your denim jacket or no, that's somebody else. Safety. No, I did not have safety pins in my denim jacket, but I did work at a piercing and tattoo shop for a time. And I did have, and I did, I did pierce parts of my anatomy. Would you reveal what parts? Oh, it wasn't a big deal. I had a, i had a pierced tongue okay and i had a labret piercing which is like kind of below your lip and then i had stretched out like earlobes and oh the uh the stretched ones i just stretched them just a little bit not a lot not a lot not so much where you're like oh like those spacers and then you they're just a little bit of spacing. Um, and you know, you

gotta, you're downtown Toronto, things are happening. You do what you gotta do. I worked at so many, I was like a bridal consultant at a Riche's bridal for a while. I was, um, I worked at the tattoo and piercing shop. I worked at one of the first head shops, friendly stranger. I worked there for a long time. I did a lot of things. I was a hostess at one of the cooler kind of bar restaurants downtown when the Blue Jays won the World Series. I've done a lot in this city. I've made a lot of friends and i've made a lot of enemies mike

but we can't talk about that but we'll get there later so uh how do you end up uh working at the cbc i end up working the cbc because after all of that uh tumultuous time working at the tattoo shop i ended up working at a shoe store uh called I won't say what it's called because I don't really talk about it but I ended up working there an independent shoe store and someone walked in and said and at the time I was working on a film with someone because I'm a pretty I was a really good writer I took English and anthropology in university and I was helping a friend who had gone to Bosnia to cover the war there and she uh was came back with all this footage and I was like I'm gonna help you I'm gonna help you put this together into something that looks like a documentary and so we started

writing it and I was at a shoe store and I was helping a gentleman with his shoes and he said and he said so what else do you do other than this? And I said, well, actually, I'm working on a documentary right now about the war in Yugoslavia. And he said, here's my card. You and your friend should come and talk to me. I could produce this for you. And so we did that. And I ended up at a place called Channel Zero, which was like this media company that was a bunch of young upstarts making stuff and channel zero folded uh because i don't know it just folded and uh and then i was you know at home years

past and i was at home with a new baby and listening to a lot of cbc and listening to the radio and i said man cbc is awesome. I love these stories. I cannot deal with the fact that I've never heard someone that sounds like they've had my experience. I've never had a young black woman talking about anything at the time, back then. And there was a great show called Out Front. And so I pitched a story to Out Front about being a West African drummer and dancer and finding my voice through that.

And they loved it. And the producer I worked with, we loved working together. And when they had a job as an associate producer, they said, hey, why don't you come and be an ass prod at the CBC? And I said, sure, yeah. And then I just ended up there and ended up doing everything, a lot of radio, doing television, doing producing, writing, all of it. That's kind of a cool superhero origin story.

It really is. I tell that story all the time and i don't think it's remarkable but sometimes when i listen back to it and think about it it was kind of a remark because i didn't go to j school i didn't go to school for journalism or radio or whatever i just kind of did what i do well which is i think i i love storytelling and i did that and someone said you know what we'd like to have your voice here so I was okay I will I will be here so I spent a good chunk of my early years a good almost 10 years there and I loved it I did I really enjoyed the people all all my best friends

are CBC people to this day so like to name some of the shows uh big city small world yes that's right now hosted by errol nazareth my man errol he's a good guy errol and i have been in communication yeah and he says he is very interested in kicking out the jams he does love to kick out a jam right so i think that's gonna happen good it's uh it's in the works. He's a bit of a Danny Elwell here. It takes a while from like commitment to like picking the date. But it's I think it's going to happen. I feel like I feel like I should have played a little bit harder to get then. this on the you you kind of enjoy the the chase and then when you capture your prey there's like oh now what now what now she's in front of me boring no you you not you you're this is great but like uh that happened with ann romer oh like i like ann too she's neat but it was a bit of a white whale you know what i mean like yes right like my name is ishmael whatever and then it's sort of like uh years of built up this is yes it happened and then it

happens and by the way it was tremendous like she was great but then there's like now what like uh i need i don't have a white whale anymore you need that well maybe that's going to be errol is he is he uh is he ready to be the new ann romer though i'm not sure i don Well, maybe that's going to be Errol. Is he ready to be the new Ann Romer, though? I'm not sure. I don't know. That's between you and Errol. But he was great. Yeah.

So Big City, Small World. That was a show that I wrote and produced and hosted for many years. Cool. Enjoyed that. Canada Live. Yep. It's a live concert show. So it was great because you get to present a lot of excellent music.

And it's live from all over the country. So it could be, you know, it could be like a fiddler's jamboree somewhere in the East Coast. In Cape Breton or something. That's where they do the fiddler jamboree. Yeah, that's right. So yeah, Canada Live was fun. Yep. Well, okay, you would pop on Metro Morning.

I was, yeah, a regular columnist there. I would do kind of like a What's Happening column, but I would also produce like, you know what? I'm really, my thing has always been, I am not an artist. Like I don't, I can't play an instrument. I'm a pretty good dancer. I'll just say that, like I don't I can't play an instrument I'm a pretty good dancer I'll just say that but I don't do it professionally I saw you chair dance I chair dance yeah I do chair dance I'm a I could be a professional chair dancer but that's not a thing but um I am in I've

always felt like I have this platform because I'm in service to artists. I'm, I'm all about having the artists have their voices heard. And, and, and if I was at a place like the CBC, that is a national broadcaster, I want to provide the service of having these individuals that are working so hard to entertain me and to put their stories out into the world in a pleasing way uh i want to provide that platform so that's always been my it's always been my ethos as far as my job is concerned that's what i am i'm in service to the artists even with jazz cast and with what i was doing at at jazz fm all of that stuff is all in service to the artists now when mark wig Mark Wigmore was on this show, which was not that long ago,

he told a story, and I should have pulled the clip, so I'm going to do this from memory, but it was something, I guess he was at the CBC, and he was applying for an opening at Jazz FM, and he printed like a, he printed an application form or something,

and he went to the printer, the CBC printer or whatever, to get it. And he picked it up and it wasn't his. It was someone else in the room had printed the same thing. This is, I know. Why didn't I pull this clip? I feel like I should stop everything. Like someone else was applying? Yeah. But, and then I believe, and the story goes that it was you. Really? Yes. Like, I'm serious.

I did not know this. You should listen to the Mark Wigmore episode. Yeah, he tells this story that he realizes it wasn't his print job, but it was for the same role. For the same job. For the same job. Isn't that funny? So someone else at CBC was applying for the same Jazz FM opening,

and Mark put it down or whatever because it wasn't his and it turned out he saw he want he watched he wanted to see who's gonna come pick up this who's gonna pick it up and did i sashay and it was you because i sashay because i sashay around that place and and i probably got the job and then mark didn't and then correct and then he came shortly after correct yeah so that's the story so in the end i was the victor to the victor goes the spoils of jazz fm jazz fm so yes so maybe my uh first well you know before i even ask you why you'd want to leave such a great uh role at the cbc yeah um do you want to share any of our like any of your favorite interviews from your time there?

Oh, my gosh. I had the opportunity to interview so many incredible people, like a lot of great writers. I remember doing, well, Walk Off the Earth. They were lovely people. They were really nice. I remember, if you remember K-Nan from Waving Flag, I was probably one of the first. The troubadour yeah he was he was fantastic and we uh you know I started championing him early early early in

his career when he was just doing his first shows sandy footed philosopher the dusty foot the sandy footed thinker I knew he was a philosopher. He was a philosopher. So he, so he was, he was big. And, um, there was a lot of,

I think most of my biggest interviews, the ones that are that stick in my mind, the most were outside of the CBC that I ended up just doing, like talking to Chris Tucker or John Singleton or, you know, those sorts of people where, um, you end up talking to people that you have been watching all your GD life, which is pretty cool.

But but the CBC, like great authors like, you know, Lawrence Hill and George Eliot Clark and all kinds of interesting people. I feel like I got the chance to, uh, to really develop as a, an, an interviewer, a broadcaster, all of that. The CBC was an excellent, excellent, um, uh, finishing school for sure. I can imagine. And you, yeah, you refine your trade or whatever. All of it. And, and you get to know people and then you have, you know, I remember, uh, sitting across the table from carol off when i was i got to uh co-host um as it happens once and and i was so nervous so nervous and i had to say the thing it was going all across the country and then she put her hand on my back yeah and she was like oh you've just sweat right through it she's amazing. She is really the most generous of broadcasters.

She will help you along in any way that she can. And at the same time, you get to watch this master interviewer do her thing. And she's one of the best. Her co-host now is the I Am Canadian guy. That's Jeff. Yes. Jeff Douglas, right? Yes. one of the best her co-host now is the i am canadian guy that's jeff yes jeff douglas right yes i have spent many a new uh uh first day christmas day after christmas at his place singing songs is he around here yeah because we were chatting because he's going to come on but

he's in uh he went out east for a bit or something he's here though but he's yeah and he's here and he i told him where i record and he's like i live there he does he lives he lives pretty close to you he doesn't live he doesn't live not too far not too far at all and he is an avid biker so maybe you guys could do you know a little bike bike ride first yeah we'll record it and then and record a little bit of the the two of you huffing and puffing and then and then come on in here and do your show. And then I'll just play the I am Canadian ad. That's right. And people, you know what? He was tweeting about that just recently and I couldn't believe how many people had no idea. Oh my god, really? They're just shocked. It's the same guy. Oh yeah, I can see that. They are shocked.

They're like, the guy on As It Happens is the I am Canadian guy? Okay, so you know Jeff personally. I do. That's how you know. And then I, like, it's sort of like my thing to know those fun facts. That's right. But the average listener of As It Happens. And then Mo Kaufman.

Yeah, Mo Kaufman, right there. Curry Soul. Yeah, Curry Soul. Which, by the way, was, and i think i've shared this story but that was a hundred percent what i wanted with my theme song was i wanted something like that happens with that dude and i described it to ill vibe and he came up with the toronto mic theme song it's like a sort of a modern hip-hop take take a version kind of that spirit that spirit because i love that as it happens themes huh even Even though I think Kaufman stole it from,

right, from, crap, I'm going to forget who it is. But anyway, I wrote about this on trinamike.com. Oh, you did? Yes. I should read your blog. You should because there's a song that was kind of copied by someone else and made famous.

And then definitely Kaufman kind of takes that whole. Is that right? Yes. Okay. And he doesn't give, there's no writing credit. It's just anyway, but anyway,

that's a whole separate thing. But Jeff, Jeff Doug, so I was saying Jeff Douglas. Oh yeah. So, but the average listener of, as it happens on CBC radio,

which is a great program. Yes. I don't think they would, unless Jeff Douglas came out and said it on the show, which he probably doesn't do very often. No, he doesn't do that. At all. happens on cbc radio which is a great program yes i don't think they would unless jeff douglas came out and said it on the show which he probably doesn't do very no he doesn't do that at all how would they know like how are they going to connect that you would never know because you're talking about a radio voice and then you're talking about a guy that was the star of a commercial like a very and how long ago now physical commercial that that's got to be about

eight years ago it's longer than that i think no it is not because i went to it i went to an edge fest at molson park and barry and he came on stage and did it then and i'm pretty sure that was like 2000 maybe it's 20 years ago it's not 20 years don't say these things that's not possible maybe early 2000s don't even i can't i'm not at least 15 years ago i i if only i had a device that could tell me the answers let's pretend that it was five years ago okay okay we can lie to ourselves i'm a realist like this is real talk ervia we don't do the pretending game so okay so you're at cbc yeah and i leave interviewing some cool great people great people

doing great things getting an education like uh you're going you're learning you're honing your craft that's right and then uh making friends you saw i guess you saw an opportunity that you simply couldn't resist you tell me i why am i guessing i was wrong about steve garvey it wasn't so much an opportunity that i couldn't resist. It was more that I felt like that I had grown to a point at the CBC where it was time for me to try something else, to have a different challenge in a different way. and they'd been so great to allow this to happen is that I'd built up my own sort of name in in the city um and did a lot of things outside of of the confines of the CBC and I felt really really proud of that and so I decided I wanted to challenge myself um it's sort of I kind of decided what happened was I ran into Danielle Wells husband at uh at a the hardware store and he said how's it going at the cbc and i said it's going pretty good and he said oh okay he said have you ever thought of leaving and i said

that's interesting that you would ask me that because i hadn't thought of it but then he presented this thing you know know, people that happens, someone presents something and all of a sudden in your mind, you're like, wait a second, should I, you can visualize it. Should I consider? And it turns out that they were looking for,

um, they were looking to, to kind of, uh, beefing up their arts coverage at, at jazz FM. And I thought, okay,

so it's Danny L Wells has been someone who I have adored and, um, have been a huge fan of forever. This is an opportunity for me to work with her. What? And that's how that happened. It was really just like the universe kind of conspired to throw me in that hardware store. in that hardware store and, and, and Danny's fantastic husband just happened to be there and just happened to

strike up this conversation that, that sent me on a whole different path altogether. Because it's not like Danny's husband gets brought up a lot. Is that Lisa Del Bello? Yes. All right. It's the only song I ever knew from up a lot. Is that Lisa Del Bello? Yes. All right. It's the only song I ever knew from her. She's so cool.

Yeah, she seems cool. She's so cool. Like, what a cool family. Like, they are, they're like royalty in this city. This was the big Much Music hit anyways, and I watched a lot of Much Music back then. Let's Tango. So we should tell the people, because it inside baseball but okay so. So Danny's husband is Stefano Del Bello who is Lisa Del Bello's brother and he's also a musician and a great writer and an excellent

excellent contractor and a great guy. That's the, uh, that's everything. That's everything in a nutshell. I've learned through, uh, broadcasting to make things, you know, concise, try to,

but yeah, that's him. Could you teach me how to do that? Because, uh, the last episode I did with Steven Fearing, which was fantastic, by the way,

it's two and a half hours long. It happens. How am I going to, uh, well, I'm going to tell you one thing is that you are a great conversationalist and the great thing about the podcast world is that if something needs to be two hours let it be two hours if something needs to be an hour and a half let it be an hour if something needs to be 20 minutes. Let it be 20 minutes. Wash your hands of it. Walk out.

Get on with your day. Podcasting gives you that flexibility. So just go with it, Mike. Be you. Just be yourself. I did get a lovely message from somebody who would know, somebody whose opinion I trust, about how there are things revealed in the two-hour, two-and-a-half-hour, which would absolutely never be brought up anywhere.

That's right. In your typical, whatever, half an hour interview or even like a 15 minute interview or even an hour long interview. So sometimes you've got to let it on. Like, it's like peeling an onion, you know, you peeling like all the layers are being pulled back slowly and surely. I don't think that there's anything wrong with that. So let you, you just do you, Mike.

Do you. I'm just doing me and now I'm bringing down Delbello. Lisa Delbello. Delbello, Let's Tango. Fantastic. Of course, you know, Dani and her husband wrote a song for Lisa Delbello. See, now you're revealing some stuff here

that I didn't know. I just discovered is that you did not listen to the Danny Elwell episode of Tron. No, no, no, no. Listen. I listened to the majority of it. You haven't got to the Delbello. We play the song and everything. No, I missed that whole part of it.

And I'll tell you, now I feel ashamed of myself. You should feel ashamed. I feel a little bit ashamed. Now, you're at Jazz FM. Yeah. What are you doing initially at Jazz FM? I'm a senior arts editor there, and so I'm covering the arts.

But that only lasted for a short time, because shortly thereafter, Heather Bambrick made a move out of the morning show chair, and I was asked to be the morning show host. So I, so I did that. Right. And this is where all my guests intertwine.

So Heather Bambrick, uh, was doing mornings. Yeah. Like 2011 or so. Sure. And then in 2014, I was doing,

uh, you took over mornings and then I'm guessing Mark Wigmore comes over and takes like, you were like an art, your arts critic? That's right. Yeah. He becomes a senior arts editor and starts doing the arts coverage, which was great. Like it was, we had a good, a good team there.

And this is called Good Morning Toronto. Good Morning Toronto. You got it. And you did, I have to point out, you were nominated for Best Radio Personality in Now Magazine's Reader's Choice Awards in 2017. Sure was, sir. And those are just the people that care about Now Magazine. Could you imagine the people that, no, I don't know. I don't know.

Now Magazine, those are the cool people. I guess. You know what, there's something really, really special about starting the day with people, a morning show. There's something so kind of magic about it. There's something magical about it because you know that people are, they're just getting up. You're setting a mood for them. You're making sure that everything is okay. It's just about everyone being all right with starting another day, whatever foot you're starting that day off on. I want to be part of it and make it okay. You know, your kids are having breakfast. You're kind of, you might feel a little bit frantic. I just want to be there as a voice

that feels welcoming and warm and, and that you feel okay about the day. Um, at least from that point, I don't know what happens later. That's out of my hands, but I want to start your day off and that you feel okay about the day, at least from that point. I don't know what happens later. That's out of my hands, but I want to start your day off right. Well, you have a welcoming and warm voice. Why, thanks, Mike. It's been in my headphones now for an hour and 20 minutes. And you're loving it.

And I'm loving it. Good luck getting it out. I might not have to. I could just keep playing this over and over again. But, and you have a, dare I say, a delightful personality. Oh, thanks. Is this too forward of me to say such a thing? No, that's a very nice thing for you to say.

You would be an ideal host for a show like Good Morning Toronto. Yeah. Plus, I'm a morning person. I really do enjoy the mornings. I get up, you know, I would get up before that show and I go to the gym at like 4.30 in the morning. You know what I mean? I'm that sort of morning person where I do feel energized in the morning. So I don't think that not anyone can do a morning show.

A lot of people can host radio, I think. A lot of people can do the thing that needs to be done. But not everyone can do a morning show because it messes with your body. And you have to deal with that. It messes with your personal life. You have to deal with that. It messes with your family life. You got to deal with that.

It's very, it can be very discombobulating. It takes a very specific type of person. Do you think it shortens your life? I wouldn't take it that far. I mean, that is heavy. I'm not trying to wish anything negative here. I don't think it shortens your life. But there is a time in which that you start doing a morning show and your body starts to play tricks on you.

And you don't know if you're hungry or if you're tired. And so you end up eating all the things all the time because your body is saying, I am something and, and I fill it in as I am hungry, but really it's probably I am tired. And so you end up with those two, those wires crossing and uh and you end up chubby for the first you know it's like going to university like you put on that's right the freshman the freshman chub yeah it's nice though it was nice it made me more even it made my voice even warmer probably there was more of you to love and there was so much more of me to love it's true and then i realized that i can't eat all the time so i stopped right that's i wish you always like have these like you know i

had this fantasy about steve gerby and whatever and then sometimes i'm like imagine one day like they realize that oh we can make hot dogs really healthy for you like you know what they've done that listen listen i this was this is what happens with the morning show as well. You end up with a lot of useless facts and factoids and things that just come across your desk. You're like, I'm going to talk about this. The fact that they are making a meat that is super healthy for you that tastes exactly like meat. So if you were going to eat a hot dog, you would, you would eat it. Right. And it wouldn't be poison.

It would be, uh, maybe there'd be nutrients or something. There'd be nutrients and it would help, help your abs to maybe pop that much more. Like it just gets, just pops out as an ab. That would be the,

that would be the best. Wouldn't it? Cause mustard's already, like mustard already has no calories in it. Right. So that's an ab. That would be the best, wouldn't it? Mustard already has no calories in it, right? That's right. Give me that nutrient-rich, healthy hot dog, and I'll just slather the mustard on it, and I'll go to town on that bad boy.

You could go with just a veggie dog, eh? They have those in there. You have a grocery store right down the street. What are these? You know what? I do. When I leave here, I'm just going to run down the grocery store, I'm going to grab you some veggie stuff,

I'm going to throw them at your door. that's like tofu right that's the uh soy based stuff you're right you're right it exists i okay you say that as if you've never heard of health food before i skipped that aisle but okay so um you're at jazz fm i'm there you're doing the morning show 2014 to 2018 yeah it was great for the. I'm here, I'm trying to keep a straight face in this part. For the most part. It was great. For the most part. Okay, so.

All right. Dum, dum, dum. This is the moment everyone's waiting for. Is this really what everyone's been waiting for? I hope not. No. But we do need to know. I don't even know what you're going to be willing to say here.

Because I'm not willing to say a lot. Right. I am willing to say that, yes, I parted ways with the station, not because I wanted to, but because it was necessary. And all of the circumstances around that were too, it was too much for me to remain there. Well, here, I thought about like, how do I do this and not get in trouble or whatever? So here, I'm going to, what I decided. Oh, yeah. You know about the trouble that you can get in.

Yes, I do. I do. So, because I don't need any more nasty like emails from lawyers or whatever. Look, can I just say one small thing about that? Yeah, sure. Okay. The small thing I'm going to say about that is when all that stuff was

happening to you with nasty emails from lawyers and stuff, I felt just the slightest bit, bit vindicated because I was like, now, now y'all see that what we were dealing with was not an easy situation. That's all I'm going to say about that. It does. What I would say, yeah, were dealing with was not an easy situation that's all i'm gonna say about that does uh what i would

say yeah it kind of exposes somebody for the kind of like the petty litigious nature and and that yeah if this guy this podcast guy in his basement trying to have just fair chatting chatting with in his track pants for god's sake not always sometimes in the summer i wear shorts and no socks i don't wear any socks so come back and you can wow be in for a treat i'll be here we'll book something for close to my birthday there in june but you're right and so so i mean and my initial thought was to like don't't say a word about my God. And then I was given some advice to publish it. And then I did that. And perhaps, and this sounds like this might be what you're saying,

but in doing that, the public got some insight into what y'all been dealing with. So if I had all helped in any way in that regard, that makes me feel like something good came out of this. I think that's really important. I really do. how bananas it is until some of the, that banana like substance gets through smeared around other places. And then, and then everyone's like, Oh, it is bananas.

Okay. I see the bananas now I could see some, some bananas. So there was, I don't know, things got, things are, got,

got weird, but you know what? If, um, earlier in the show, we talked about the fact that I was named after Marcus Garvey. And if you're going to know anything about me and hire me for anything or ask me to do anything,

know that I was named after Marcus Garvey. So if, if shit starts to go sideways and we're not living up to the, the, the moral, the social, the ethical ideals that I was named for and after, then I will likely be right at the front saying, we need to reassess this.

So that's just who I am. That's just like, it's just, it's in my name and it's in my DNA. I can't help but be the person to, to say, Oh, it seems, you know, the house is on fire. Let's do something about it.

So when I started saying, you know, I'm going to be careful here, but what can I do? What I've decided I'm going to do is I'm going to just read, uh, two little paragraphs that appeared in the Hamilton spectator. Okay.

So I'm just going to read this just so we have a little baseline for what's going on. The Hamilton Spectator writes, A former Jazz FM morning host has launched a $420,000 lawsuit against the station, alleging wrongful and constructive dismissal, and claiming her termination came because she and a group of others complained about sexual harassment and bullying by the then-CEO. In a statement of claim filed in Ontario's Superior Court on Tuesday, Garvia Bailey, morning show host at the Toronto station from September 2014 to last April, says she lost the job for joining a group of current and former employees calling themselves the collective.

Dum, dum, dum. So this is ongoing. It is ongoing. This is like, as they always say, like, oh, this is before the courts. Is that what this is? This is before the courts. Yeah, this is ongoing. And so, so there's not, there's not a ton I can say.

I mean, there's a lot of great coverage of it in the Globe and Mail and there's, you know, the Spectator and whatnot. And so, I mean, you can read it. But, I mean, I filed a statement of claim, which means that it's in the court. So if you really want to go and read the whole thing, it's all right there. But I don't know, man. I just, if you don't stand for something you'll go for anything so you know when we were talking about me as like a little young woman getting into

the media and getting into all of that there was one thing that I had never imagined in all my goddamn life was that I would be suing anyone for anything for my like that is just not who I am like that's just not that is it was unbelievable that it had come to that for me so I don't know it's all still a little bit surreal for me, but I still believe in, I still stand by my statement of claim and I stand by all of the actions that preceded it. That's all I got. And I feel good about that. I don't feel good that this is happening,

but I feel good in my soul that you know i when when push came to shove i feel like i did what needed to be done what i will say is that people want to hear more talk about the collective and some of the stuff that garvey can't necessarily talk about right now because this lawsuit is before the courts yeah or whatever that's right i would recommend recommend the episodes to listen to. And conveniently, they were listed in that letter, so I can remember them. For sure, Heather Bambrick.

For sure. Listen to Heather Bambrick's episode. And Danny Elwell's, we talk about it a little bit. I put her on the hot seat for some, I needed to know a little bit more about this collective because it sounds so interesting. Like a movie needs to be made about the collective. James B. came up in the James B. episode

and the Mark Wigmore episode. I think that about covers it. But yeah, go back and listen to those. We talk about it all. But here's what we can, because there's been developments since Heather was here last and she's the most, oh, she was never in the collective, right? Oh yeah, she was. But here's what we can, because there's been developments since Heather was here last.

And she's the most, oh, she was never in the collective, right? Oh, yes, she was. So she was in the collective. Oh, she's the one. Oh, shut your mouth. You know what? Okay, so. This is how history becomes revised right now. That's why you're here.

That's why you're here. So it was Mark Wigmore who was not in the collective. Correct. Correct. Okay. And was James, he was not in the collective, James B. He was. He was. I need a list of everyone in the collective. Correct. Correct. Okay. And was James, he was not in the collective, James B. He was. He was.

I need a list of everyone in the collective right now. But I know Heather Bambrick was in the collective. I got confused because she's the one who was last to leave. Correct. So she only left in like January, I think, right? Yeah, yeah. So, okay. Okay.

So recent, pretty recent development is that there was a big vote. So, you can speak to this, right? This is like stuff. And again, is it Simon? How do you say his last name in the Globe and Mail? Yes. There's an F at the end or something to mess this up? It's a PT at the end.

Right. So, he's done a great job covering all of this in the Globe and Mail. So, you can Google this and catch up. But what happened with that vote? Can you tell us? Well, I you know I'll be honest like I have kept kind of I was I've kind of kept myself distanced from it in a certain way um because a sanity and b I'm a I'm I'm a freelancer now and I'm doing other things and I need to keep my energy positive and towards, you know, positivity. But this was a positive thing, I think, that happened is that, you know, that what happened was the board of directors was challenged by a new group of people made up of folks that really felt like it was time for a change at the station and that

they weren't feeling like the things that needed to be done to get the station back to a point where it was healthy and thriving and part of the community in a really healthy way. They felt like, you know, it needed a real change a real shake up and so they went through all the channels all the legal channels all the necessary channels they went to the the uh the the the members of jazz fm and there was a vote and uh because they they won that lawsuit thing that gave them access to the email to the email to the email addresses like i mean the whole situation that has been chronicled in the newspapers is so if you put it all together it is somewhat remarkable like it you know what i mean like it is what's the screenplay it's a little bit mind-blowing

it's like this doesn't even you couldn't even write this in a screenplay and people would believe it. It's so nutty. In any case, it all, it all culminated in a vote and a new board was, was voted, voted in to take over the reins. And it was by a very slim margin, but it was still a margin. And, you know, at the end of the day, you have a community that came together to say, yeah, we'd like some change as well. We want to see this station thrive and be healthy, and we want to be a part of it. And that's a great thing. I think that's a beautiful thing. I don't think there's anything wrong with that. I never had, I don't have a problem with Jazz FM as an entity, not at all. I have a problem with other aspects Jazz FM as a, as an entity. Not at all. I, I have a problem with, with other aspects of it. You know, the way that it was run or managed is, wasn't great.

So that's, that's about it. Like, it's not really, you know, what I want to see. And I think that's why JazzCast came to be as well is once again coming back to it i am in service to the artists this is who i am as an arts journalist as a host as a producer i am in service to the artists and i and i want to be there for them and i think what happened with the collective was all about wanting to be in service to the artists and and maybe there was a feeling that the artists weren't being served to the best of our ability with the resources we had at our disposal. So since the new board was put in place, there was a fundraising.

What do you call them? Rounds? What do you call these things? It's just a fundraising thing. Last week, Ralph Ben-Murgy was on this show. Yeah. And Ralph participated in this fundraising, which I know Heather did as well.

Yeah, and Walter did as well. And Walter, okay. And these are, you know, some old pals of the old Jazz FM there. And they beat the target. Yeah, they crushed it. Crushed it. So this is sort of a... It's got a vindication once again, and just a show of support from a community that I think is just so thirsty for everything to just to go back to something, you know, some form of the station being what they want it to be. So that's good. I think that's a great thing. That's good for the new board and good for,

good for, it's really good for the donors and the listeners and for the musicians as well. Okay. Now here's, I have a question about jazz cast. So jazz cast, of course, this is what you should be telling,

I guess the origin story, but this was, I guess you and you and Danny and Walter and where does it come from? The idea for jazz cast? Well, it first came from Dannyy and i hanging out um because i haven't mentioned how many times i enjoy danny elwell's you just like her voice i i like everything about i like i like that she always tells me that i smell good i like i like

that about her um but she's just great at what she does anyway danny and i had just been you know sitting around and i don't know if you've ever been in a situation like this where you've been through some really heavy things and you happen to be going through them together that you become even closer as individuals and you oh yeah when i served in vietnam this happened that's exactly remember remember remember that that corporal you two were like super tight and yeah of course um of course so this happens and but she and i were also talking about how we can how you can make the best of it because we're women and we're resilient we're all about bouncing back and so we're like you know what we should do some stuff. We love being on air. I wasn't ready to be working for someone else again. She was ready to start doing something new.

And so we decided that we were going to, we were like, hey, why don't we have these live events? Because she had this space. Let's have some live events where we bring a band in and you do what you do really well. I do what we, like we do what we do really well. We'll interview these people we'll get deep into it it'll be kind of like uh you know tiny desk concerts yeah of course it'd be kind of like a tiny desk concert kind of acoustic maybe a small audience and she

and i said let's do that we'll call it alley jazz or something right yeah and we, so we got really jazzed about that. And and then as things started to kind of, we started, people started getting excited about the idea of something else. And so we started talking to Heather and to, and to Walter and, and said, you know what, we could just, we could just do a station. We could just do an online station. It could be international. We can, um, we can find shows from around the world. We can talk to people that we already know that have great shows. We can start to curate some excellent shows. We can be on air ourselves. It can be online and 24, 24, seven. So it can, so we have all of this, this space. And for me, jazz is social music and it has been co-opted so many in so many ways that makes my heart hurt. Like, I feel like it has moved up, been moved away from its roots as social music. Um,

as you know, Robert Glasper talks about jazz being a mansion with many, many, many, many rooms. And anyone could walk into one of those rooms and feel at home. Anybody, you could find a room for yourself.

Right. And so we wanted to make a station, you know, build something that felt like that house of many, many, many, many rooms that you could just jump in on it and listen to something and be like, I didn't even know that you called this jazz. How is this even related to jazz? You know that Nile Rodgers, who's the greatest producer on the planet of pop music. Let's call it popular music. Yep. Everything that he does comes from his place of jazz comes from a place of jazz.

He is, it's in his, his soul. He was like, Oh, David Bowie, let's dance. Okay.

Blah, blah. David brought it to him and he turned it into sort of like create a kind of a jazz lick in the middle of it. And then it became this this thing. Right. So jazz is a house of many, many. Even people that are like, I'm not into jazz.

I love those people. I love sitting with those people. I do. I enjoy it because then I get to pull out all this music. They don't even realize. They don't even realize that you love it. You're into it. It's in, it's baked in.

It's everywhere. So that's why we decided to do JazzCast so that we could have this platform and people could hear the voices that they'd been missing. You know what? I don't know. Maybe tomorrow morning, I might do a morning show on JazzCast.

You never know. I might just pop in there. Okay, that's my, so is it live? And spend two hours hours is it live streaming or is it on demand it's live streaming friend okay so jazzcast.ca you got it and there's an itunes app and an android app is coming soon so right now you can you can download the app as well i'm a very big fan of like you people like yourself rolling your own. Yeah.

Like I, I'm just, that's, that's what I love that. Let me tell you this. I've been out and about, I was at a quest. Love was doing a show recently and I was out with a bunch of,

uh, uh, friends that are producers and musicians, incredible people. Yeah. And, uh, and they were like, yo,

Garvey, what's this jazz cast thing about? Like what's going on and I in all of the jobs that I've had and all the interviews that I've done and all the things that I feel really proud of people I've never had that kind of reaction to something before and I asked my boyfriend about it after I was like everyone is so jacked about jazz cast they're so into it what is going on and he said dude it's because it's it's yours yes yes you you you're making this with these people this is something that you're making so of course they're going to be excited because

they want the best for you but they also know that it's coming from you and also now something exists that did not exist before like a brand new thing it is so it's it's really really exciting so jazzcast.ca i hope that um i hope that uh folks follow us on all the social media and listen and have a listen because it's, it's good. And it's going to be great. How can you afford all this? We can't, we don't have, I'm not making any money.

It makes no, it makes no money. We're hoping, you know what? It's just like, like this, this started with, with,

with nothing, with just you doing your thing and putting your resources into it. That's correct. And then you get some sponsors here and there. People say, I want to align myself with this. Maybe every now and again, there's an angel kind of investor that swoops in and says,

here's a, you know, here's a few bucks to, to maybe get your microphones. It's that kind of thing. And we have a Patreon now as well that you can support the station that way. So that's what we're, that's what we're looking at right now. I believe, Mike, I believe the children are our future.

But I also believe that this is a real thing, that JazzCast is going to take off and it's going to be big. And one day soon, you know, the whole, I'm not making any money, i'm doing spending all my time doing this is going to be it's going to it's going to be fine and it's it's fine now it's just absolutely fine okay i love i love it i love it thank you i love i've it's right in my wheelhouse like absolutely 100 i'm bored like i would volunteer my time and my blood sweat and tears to help you guys succeed.

That's how much I like this endeavor. I'm going to take you up on that. You can. Okay, good. Was it Danny? I think said, I'm supposed at some point, someone's supposed to invite me

to check out the studio where you like, I'm inviting you right now. I'm inviting you right now. Put your bike on top of my Ford Escape and we'll go. I would beat you there. Where is it again?

This studio. I might. Where is it? You Would you? This studio. I might. Where is it? You think you would, would you? Where is this? We're around the Queen and Ossington area in that neighborhood. It would shock you how quickly I can get the Queen and Ossington. I believe you.

You know what? Because I go waterfront trail. No lights or anything. Don't think that I don't believe you. You're not having. Don't try to convince me. I'll come up strong. I'm telling you my way.

And you'll just shoot up. I'll be like, look at that. Yeah you'll just shoot up. I'll be like, look at that. Yeah. Trinity Bellwoods, I'll stop, look at some white squirrels. You're like a tight,

tight, sinewy, muscled dude on a bike. I believe you. I'm actually, I'm carrying an extra 10 that came in over the winter. Really?

Were you hosting morning radio? I think, I don't know what it was, the weather was, but I biked all winter long, but I just ate like a pig. And I just was just, even when I put this shirt on, I was like, wait a minute. It's, yeah, and I had it before and it went away for years. But I can see the extra 10.

I hate to bring this up, but it's age, my friend. Is that what it is? A little bit. Part of the problem is Hebsey, because Hebsey sits where you're sitting now. Yes. Two mornings every Monday and Friday morning. So he was here was here this morning yeah he's in his 60s yeah the man uh tight yes and he he did oh he goes oh i just did a eight kilometer sprint or whatever he's like he's like made out of like solid muscle rope right yeah there's no there's no like spare

tire on that guy no but that's genetic though like's no like spare tire on that guy. No, but that's genetic though. Like that is like, he's like that. Those are good. Those are good jeans. Not that your jeans aren't good. I don't know if my jeans are good or not. I'm sure that your jeans are good.

Like you are, you're, you're tight. You're good. All you need to do is, uh, bike over to where the jazz cast video is. Yes,

that's right. So someone just tell me when to be there. I'll be there. Like I don't take photos and I'll write about it. That would be great. But I want to do this. Like this is, we're going to be, we're going to be there. I'll be there. Like I don't take photos and I'll write about it. That would be great. But I want to do this. Like this is, we're going to be,

we're going to be around this week. Um, let's, let's take this conversation offline, but you're invited. Okay. Okay. We'll take this offline.

So, so it's all happening there. Do you have a toilet yet? It's, I don't know. Okay. I'm going to be, is there a gonna be there you know what the lovely place the lovely bakery across the road um we buy a lot of coca-cola and uh water and and delicious baked goods from them and use their their washing for now but we are we've got we've got the toilet's coming it's on its way

it's on its way what about uh miss slate is it marie slate marie slate yeah does she ever uh drop some bills in the she has she has been known to to drop some bills in the cup um she has lots of bills i you know she's got she's got bills i, I guess. I can't, I can't really, I can't really speak to how many bills she has, but I do know that she is one of those people that is, is full of integrity and she is full of righteous fury when she needs to be. and she's just a lovely person like i mean she's just she clearly loves uh jazz and she loves jazz and she likes what we're doing she loves trot on mic can we introduce her to this you sure can um she and she she does she does believe in what we're doing for sure and i think that she believes in in jet in us the individuals that are behind jazz cast as much as she believes in JazzCast as an entity. So I think that combination is really good for her.

Okay, I need to, I don't know what this term is, not devil's advocate, but I need to come at this, ask you about this in a different way, which is, okay, so from the ashes of, so Jazz FM had management issues and the collective had some grievances and out of this, Jazzcast is born. So you're with me?

Okay, so Jazzcast is born from the... Oh, because Jazz FM isn't what it should be and then things happen in this great storybook ending where now Jazz FM theoretically could become what it should be again. Like it could rise from the ashes and be what it should be again. Like it could rise from the ashes and be what it should be.

Does that in any way cannibalize the existence of JazzCast? Because now couldn't JazzCast come over and be Jazz FM again? Remember when there was only one rock and roll station in Canada, remember? What was it? What was it? What was it? 10-50 Chum?

What was the number? I don't know. There was just one of them. There was one. You know why you can't remember? Right. Because that's not possible. Because there's lots of them.

Because there's lots of them. And that's just my stupid way of saying. I thought it was trivia time. What was it? That's just a way of saying that the two can exist independently and serve up incredible jazz in different ways, and there's plenty of room for everyone. Okay, then what happens if some of these great personalities

at the Jazz FM listeners loved listening to a Jazz FM? Many of them are at JazzCast right now. What if, because management has changed and there's a new board, there's a movement to bring those people back? Yeah, I mean, that's a decision that those people can make. But I know that with JazzCast, I mean, a lot of the shows that we're doing

might air somewhere else. They might air on Ethiopian radio or there might air somewhere in in New York on on NPR but they just they live they can come and live on on Jazz Cast without a problem so we we're we're not really we're not cowed or feeling weird about sharing the space it is like like I said it said, it is like, it's a platform, um, where if these, if, if individuals want to go off and do stuff with, with jazz FM and then come back, we don't have any problem with that. If anyone else had a problem with that, that's up, that's, that's for other people to deal with. But as far as jazz cast is concerned, we are, um,

like, come on, do your thing. And, and and and again you you own jazz cast that's right this is your baby yeah and no matter what happens even if even in theory if heather bambrick ends up having a show at jazz fm sure jazz cast needs to continue to live and it will like there's just there's no there's no question that it will continue to live. And there's no question of the commitment of the people that that started it. My co-founders, there's no question of the commitment because it's an exciting time. What we're doing is super exciting. It is innovative. It's cool. It's all of the above. Listen to my boys. Listen to my boys. Is there any jazz in Limelight by Rush? There's a lot of jazz in Rush. Absolutely.

Come on. The lighted stage approaches the unreal. For those who think and feel. And touch with some reality. Beyond the gilded cage. Getty's a big Blue Jays fan. Tell us why you love Rush. I love Rush because growing up in Stratford, Ontario,

my older brother, Henry Bailey, shout out to my brother, who was a teacher in Stratford, Ontario. My older brother, Henroy Bailey, shout out to my brother who was a teacher in Stratford, had an incredible record collection. And one of his favorite albums, one of his favorite bands was Rush. He liked his, he liked a lot of different kinds of music, but he was, he was big on Rush. And as a little girl, I would look up to my older brother, and he would play a lot of it. And I just love, to this day, to hear Neil and Getty and Alex locked in together, a three-piece.

The power in that, to to me is transcendent. Like I go to a different place when I hear Rush and that voice, come on. Yeah, no, I'm in, I'm a big fan. And you know what? So my brother, get this. So my brother, who I love dearly, older brother, introduces me to all this music, all this excellent, excellent music. When Rush had their last concerts, shedding a tear, getting a little choked up, I reached out to my friend, Denise Donlan, and said, all these tickets are gone. Is there any way, can this, you know, do you have any pull? Can I buy some tickets is there anything and she was like i'm not going to my show tomorrow i'm not going to the show tomorrow night you can

have my tickets wow and i called my brother from stratford and i was like i'm taking you to see rush bro wow and so i got to go with my brother that That's why Denise has the order of Canada. It's those kind of boss moves. But it was, there was something so, so, I don't know. I just, I love my brother because I don't think that I would be the arts journalist that I am without his, without his influence. Because my palette is so broad. It is so broad. It is so broad. And that is everything to do with him

and taking him to see Rush and being in that space at the ACC where I was like, are there any other black women in this room? Probably not. I never thought of that. It's not really, Rush is not really a black girl thing.

Not necessarily. Not all the time. And that's not excluding all. Like, I mean, obviously there's women like myself who love Rush. But in that room, I could. It's a very male dominated. There's all these dudes. There were so many dudes.

Thank God my brother was there with me. Because there was a lot of attention. Which was fine. It was great, though. It was the best concert it was really I was so happy that I could take my brother and that we could celebrate that together and and someone beside me because I get up and I just dance the whole time and a guy behind me whispers about you he's like I didn't know you could dance to Rush I'm just discovering that

right now that's amazing that's amazing Denise Don donlan uh so i mentioned she has the order of canada because one time i can't remember why but i was curious how many toronto mic guests had the order of canada like there's different levels but this top level or whatever and i think i saw three or something and denise donlan fred penner yes and you want to guess the third? Denise Donlin, Fred Penner, Molly Johnson. Correct. Booyaka shot. Yes. Booyaka, booyaka.

This is the, I'm trying to find this guy. Maybe you can help me. Yes. Rumble MC. Do you know Rumble? I know Rumble. Do you know where he is? No.

I've got, like I've asked DJ Ron Nelson to come help. And I asked Mishi Mi when she was on and she was going to try to hunt him down. Do you know where he is? No. I've got, like, I've asked DJ Ron Nelson to come help. And I asked Mishi Mi when she was on, and she was going to try to hunt him down. Look, if Mishi doesn't know where Rumble is, I don't know how I would be able to help you. I don't know where Rumble is. Why are you looking for me? I don't want to get into your business. No, to have him as a guest on the show. Oh, I see.

Okay, okay. Because Rumble and Strong, and he was MC Rumble. And, of course, you said Booyaka, and my brain thinks of the, show. Oh, I see. Okay. Okay. Because Rumble and Strong, and he was MC Rumble. And of course you said Booyaka and my brain thinks of the, you know, the song Safe. Yeah. Of course.

Booyaka, Booyaka. Yeah, of course. I won't even pretend to try to do that. You know what? You are a Torontonian, so you should be able to just say,

you just need to be like, lick a shot if you want, if you want. It's all up to you like darren o'brien right right right i'm so glad you played rush well i i did play rush because you told me you loved limelight and i'm like i do i love all now that's like my my boyfriend calls it the low-hanging fruit though when i talk about like when i play music that everyone that is already popular but as nile rogers said it's popular music for a reason

that's right that's right niles rogers did uh one of the spoons albums and i had gordep on talking about working of nile rogers my very first concert ever in stratford ontario was going to see the spoons and i will be forever grateful to sandy horn for being the coolest woman ever coolest and and yes the hottest chick in rock for a long time by far by far still to this day i saw her recently and i was like damn girl you look good oh my goodness it's all that bottom end all that that playing bass amazing she's got some new thing as some new instruments i saw her playing and it was like really tall. And I don't know what it's called, but it's not a bass. But anyways, Brant. But I didn't know that Nile Rodgers produced a Spoons album.

Yeah, I think this. It's not romantic traffic. I get them confused because the one with. Spoons, Spoons? The second one was Niles Rodgers. Really? We'll have to head the wiki right after this. But absolutely, because I had a long chat with Gord about, uh, you know,

getting Niles to do it and working with Niles and all that jazz. Yeah, absolutely. Niles is okay. Can I, can I highly recommend that, uh, that if you haven't listened to broken record, which came out last year, the podcast with Malcolm Gladstone, uh, Gladwell, Gladstone, Gladwell that, uh, you listened to that you listen to that Niles Rogers episode because that's, I'm about that. Because Garvia said so.

Because I said so. I'm telling you, I sometimes get into trouble because my palette, my musical palette is so broad that people think that I can't be serious about everything. Right. I am serious about everything. And my palette is broad because it's all related. And Niles will tell you how it's all related. Garvia, this was an immense pleasure.

I thoroughly enjoyed this. I enjoyed it too. I had a great time i hope i uh i wasn't too shrieky and excitable oh god no would you come back and kick out the jams properly though like where you give me your like 10 songs and we do them all and it's the proper kick out the jams would you do that at some point okay first of all you asked me for one favorite song and i gave you like 12 and it's true you did give me several so so I'm already ready for kick out the jams. I have more.

I got, we got to get to some Tom Petty. Got to do that. We, I mean, there's, there's so much. Good.

So next time I see you though, we'll be at the studio, the jazz cast studio. Absolutely. We're going to do that. And then we'll get you back here maybe in the summer to kick out the jams. And I'm going to see your toes. Right.

That's right. That's right. Thanks. Lucky, Mike. Lucky Garvia. And that brings us to the end of our 444th show. You can follow me on Twitter. I'm at Toronto Mike. Garvia is at Garvia's Child.

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