Toronto Mike'd: The Official Toronto Mike Podcast - Glenn Milchem from Blue Rodeo: Toronto Mike'd Podcast Episode 1666

Episode Date: April 7, 2025

In this 1665th episode of Toronto Mike'd, Mike chats with Blue Rodeo drummer Glenn Milchem about his musical journey from Queen Street West to appearing on a stamp. Toronto Mike'd is proudly brought to you by Great Lakes Brewery, Palma Pasta, Ridley Funeral Home, Silverwax, Yes We Are Open, Nick Ainisand RecycleMyElectronics.ca. If you would like to support the show, we do have partner opportunities available. Please email Toronto Mike at [e-mail]

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you. So like what is the rule for that sweater? You don't just wear it for special occasions. Is this just you're going out and it's not quite warm enough for a t-shirt sweater? Well, this sweater actually, my wife bought this sweater in Ecuador before I met her. So maybe 25 years ago she was in Ecuador and she bought it and she tried it on. She's like, this thing's way too itchy for me. And so she just put it in the bottom of her closet for 25 years and I never even saw it. And then she was purging, doing a sweater purge.

And there were like three clear plastic garbage bags of sweaters sitting in our backyard. And I saw this one. I was like, what's that sweater? It's kind of a bit of a, like a little bit of a Charlie Brown vibe. I've heard yeah Charlie Brown somebody said like John Johnny Rotten which I like that one. That's even cool with Charlie Brown. Yeah well you know it depends on how you look at things but yeah yeah it's a bit of a Charlie

Brown thing but it's just a nice sweater it warm. I think it's alpaca or something Anyway, yeah, but is it itchy? That's my big no not itchy not to me. Okay. Well good. I love that I just love it. It's a cool-looking sweater. Thank you. It's a pleasure to meet you pleasure to meet you longtime fan Thank you first time interviewer. Okay, right off the top though I thought it will take a moment to remember somebody who I just learned this morning passed away. And then this might be a pretty brilliant segue into finding out like when you fell in love with the drums and maybe go back before we get you to Blue Rodeo. But let's listen to a little bit of Blondie. When I met you in the restaurant You could tell I was no debutant I'll have a cup of tea and tell you what I'm dreaming.

Dreaming is the way it is. Glenn, how, how you as a professional drummer, drummer for Blue Rodeo, how's the drumming in this song, Dreaming by Blondie? Well, I actually love this song and I love the drumming in this song. And when I was a kid, this was one of the songs I would drum along to. You know, a lot of my practice in my early teens was just putting on records I liked the drumming of and playing along to them and this was actually one of those songs. Are you going to tell me that Clem Burke just passed away?

Yeah, now that I'm hearing you, I realize you don't know yet and I hate to be the guy to break it. No, I did not know that and that's very sad you I realize you don't know yet and I hate to be the guy to break it. No, I did not know that and that's very sad. I love Clemberg and as soon as you put that on I was like, oh this is actually really appropriate because I used to drum along to this song and I'm sorry to hear that Clemberg passed. He was awesome. I remember seeing Blondie at Ontario Place, I don't know, probably 1980 or something like that. They were fantastic and yeah he was great I always loved Klemberg. Well I thought he might be an inspiration of yours. Mm-hmm yeah he's great. Now other inspirations I'm just we're gonna bring

you up I got a bunch of old songs not old songs but I have some songs that feature you pre Blue Rodeo I wanted people to get to know sort of the Glenn Milcham before Blue Rodeo and then we'll talk of course about Blue Rodeo and what you're up to these days in addition to Blue Rodeo. Cool. Congrats off the top though, it will kind of go forward before we go back

but congrats that you're on a freaking stamp. Yeah. Like in your entire life as a drummer on Queen Street, like did you ever think one day you'd be on a stamp? No. Definitely not. I never thought like, yeah, I'm gonna start playing drums, maybe I'll get on a stamp one day. No, that's not something that ever occurred to me. I did, you know, I guess if I'm totally honest when I started seeing, oh, they got rushed, they got tragically hip on stamps, maybe You're next. You know, I never thought we were next,'re next but I thought well maybe they'll get around to us. Well they've probably done the guess who already like if you go

through the yeah I don't know if they've done the guess who yet I'd be surprised if they haven't but they've done a certainly they've done a bunch of people and anyway at any rate it's it's weird but quite wonderful. You know who's next after you it's Sloan is after you. Oh. That'd be cool. I'm working on it. Yeah, yeah. You know, apparently all you have to do is you can make suggestions to Canada Post and then they have like a committee of people that sort of go through it and apparently the CEO of Canada Post suggested us so we were kind of a shoe-in. Maybe you should go through him first. Give me his contact info later

so the I've seen this montage all of you, I mean even my former Michael Power Schoolmate Mike Boguski is on this stamp. Well, he's in the band. He's been in the band for 15 years He's in the band anybody who didn't get fired or quit is on the post on the stamp as they should be You know, we're gonna run through all this history, but did pose for the stamp or yeah? Oh, yeah, so like formal? Photo session you know you look good in this on this stamp like when you saw the stamp are you like oh good I look yes, I was like thank God yeah People with my photo people are gonna be licking you across no they're not actually they're self-adhesive

Obviously you like me like many of us have not used stamp in a long time. Like when I when I said to my kids like guess what I'm gonna be on a stamp they were like stamp what do you mean a stamp? What's a stamp? Yeah like my 16 year old was like stamps are not part of her world and I realized like oh yeah this is like an old person's honor but you know take it. But you know it's and it's a good excuse I mean we'll talk about the doc there's been a lot of Blue Rodeo you know a I'll take it. But you know, it's a good excuse. I mean, we'll talk about the doc. There's been a lot of Blue Rodeo, you know, a lot of good

excuses to talk Blue Rodeo lately, which is always a lot of fun. And but but a stamp is a good excuse to kind of just just talk about Blue Rodeo. You're on a freaking stamp. So they can't take that away from you, right? I guess they can't. It's not like the Order of Canada where they can strip it from

you if they want to. Maybe recall all the stamps and it's too late put them on a bonfire. It's too late Okay, so in addition to Clem Burke, sorry the late great and sorry that I had to break that bad news to you that But I am sorry to hear that he was a he was a wonderful Sure, and that song really does show off his skills I think best dreaming and shadow to the deuce which is a show I love in season three of the deuce had that as the theme song. So take it. Okay What other inspirations did you have when you're coming up? well My father was and is a

great lover of music a great lover of music. Listening to music, in particular listening to jazz, has always been kind of his number one hobby. He didn't play an instrument, but he was like a really deep listener and I was kind of a aficionado of jazz and music. So growing up with that, I think music just kind of had a naturally important

place in my psyche. And I don't know what exactly drew me to drums. I was eight years old when I suddenly just became fascinated with drums. I had a next-door neighbor a guy named Carl Hughes who used to look after my brother and I have a twin brother John and and This guy he was like guys about eight years older than me So like when we were eight or nine, he would have been 16 17 and he was really cool And in his bay he played drums and he had this amazing Ludwig drum set in his basement, like double bass drums, four toms, Zildjian cymbals, just like this gorgeous kit. He was a really good drummer.

He was super cool. He had like soft machine posters and stuff up on his basement wall. And so I often wonder if he's the reason that I gravitated towards drums. I'm not sure, but I, or if I just kind of had an inclination, but suddenly at the age of eight, I was fascinated with drums. I begged my parents to take me

to drum stores. I remember having the Ludwig Drum Catalog and pouring over religiously. But good parents, if they're into like jazz and classical and all this, like, you know, drums, that's pretty cool parents, I think they were down that path my parents were unquestioningly supportive which I you know didn't really think about until I was older we actually I think it was last year Massey Hall when they did their new the renovation had their new seats and everything they said they told they said to members of blue rodeo you guys can have like a commemorative plaque on each on a seat and with a little saying of your choosing and mine said Which was really nice to them that we played Massey Hall

More than anyone except Gordon Lightfoot. We're about like a hundred shows behind Gordon Lightfoot, but there's still time. I don't think it's gonna happen. But mine was like, you know, I want to thank my parents for never questioning my questionable career choice. And you know, so they were really supportive. And but they bought me a pair of bongos when I was eight because they didn't want to invest it at a drum kit in case this was like a You know just a passing fancy and so I just played the shit out of the bongos for two years and they went Okay, I guess we'll get your drum kit. So I got my first drum kit when I was 10

So that was I sort of grew up in that environment where music was really important and I was You know into I liked jazz and jazz drummers because of my dad but I was also at that age I mean my first sort of musical passion was Alice Cooper when I was nine years old I heard schools out on the radio right and I was actually I was with my cousins from England Alvina and Movene who were older I was nine years old. I remember this vividly.

We were sitting in the parking lot at Black Creek Pioneer Village where my dad had taken them, you know, because they were tourists from England. Yeah, they learned how to churn the butter. Yeah, yeah. How to, when it was like, you know, they had a, you know. I dug those trips, man.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, they were putting the shoes on the horses and stuff. Blacksmiths and what have you. But so I remember sitting in the parking lot and schools came schools out came on and it just blew my mind and I said to my cousins, who's that? And they said Alice Cooper. I was like, who's she? And they laughed at me and I couldn't believe that there was some dude named Alice Cooper that well, you know, the band's name was Alice Cooper. And he was believe that there was some dude named Alice Cooper that...

Well, you know, the band's name was Alice Cooper and he was... But he was also Alice Cooper. I mean, his real name is Vincent Fernier, if you want to get technical, but nobody calls him Vincent. He's Alice. Hell of a golfer too. Apparently. But anyway, so I was obsessed with Alice Cooper and then I got into Prague music.

I was really into Emerson Likum Palmer. So at first my influences were kind of, you know, I liked rock music but I also kind of then started really getting into sort of more technical type drumming like yes Genesis CLP and then when I was 15 I heard punk rock and New Wave and so then I got into that and then I actually literally trashed all my old prog records which which I regret now but at the time that seemed like the thing to do and so then I went off in that direction so those kinds of all those things kind of formulated my style whatever that is me that is. Can you name that tune Glenn?

Did you know? No I cannot name this. There is multiple. What the hell is this? I was going to point out there's multiple bands named Vital Signs. Oh, this must be another Vital Signs. Yeah, this is the, this is Mandalay by Vital Signs. But they probably spell it S-I-G-N-S. No. They spell it S-I-N-E-N. S-I-N-E-N, right.

What? So I just don't know if you're aware of this Vital Signs. No, I was not aware of that. That's a copyright violation. Depends on you. Going after them. But tell me about, if you don't mind, tell me about your Vital Signs. My Vital Signs, yeah, Vital Signs, actually Vital Signs was the second,

the third band I was in, the second band I joined in Toronto. The first band I joined in Toronto was a band called Zero Four, who were made up of some basically people from the Toronto punk scene. It had I think two members of the Ugly, not the original Ugly but the second Ugly. There was that was Tony B on bass and this guy Chick Parker on guitar and then there were also members of Dick Duck and the Dorks. There was a guy named Casey on saxophone. Dick Duck and the Dorks, I did this Gary Top panel discussion. And there was a lot of talk at Dick Duck and the Dorks. They were very, they all worked for the Garys.

And they were, they played the Edge a lot there. I think they were kind of like the Edge house band. But they were very much a kind of a central figures of the Toronto scene in the late 70s. But this is like, I guess, 82 I started, I played with them, 82, 83 I started playing with them. I just answered an ad and actually put an ad in Now Magazine hoping to form a band, saying like drummer looks to form a band. And they were like, well, we already have a band, but we need a drummer.

Do you want to come and audition? So I did. And actually the singer, Lynn, was, is on the cover of The Last Pogo. She's the woman that's sort of on the front picture there with a bunch of buttons on her jacket. So yeah, I played, I only did about four gigs with them, but someone who was at the time was acting as the manager of vital signs saw me play with them and said oh I I managed this band called vital signs. They're looking for a drummer Would you be interested in coming out and I did so I was like sure, you know, so I went and Auditioned for them and I remember the bass player Terry telling me like we are the second coolest band on Queen Street next to the rent boys

So I was like, all right, okay, you know, and so anyway, I joined Vital Signs and yeah, and that was kind of the beginning. They were really kind of the beginning of my involvement in the, the real beginning of my involvement in the Toronto music community and really the beginning of my career. Because, you know we we went on to a certain degree of regional success and also because we had a we had a video on Much Music a song called collage that got played a fair

bit. Oh that'll do it yeah. Yeah and so that I mean we never toured nationally or anything like that that was kind of unheard of in those days. Like I'm talking 1984. Independent bands. There wasn't yet a kind of trail blazed for independent bands to tour across the country. So we mostly played Toronto and the surrounding area. I was reading that Vital Signs was like, simple minds meets gang of four. Yeah, that's a good description. I mean, that's what we were trying to be. How successful we were at that,

but those were, I would say those two bands were probably are the bands that influenced us the most at the time. Okay, and share with me the other bands that you were in when you were playing the Queen Street Circuit here in Toronto? Well, there were a lot. From Vital Signs, I then joined a band called The Garbage Men, which included the ex-sax player from the Rent Boys, because the Rent Boys moved to

England to sort of find fame and fortune, which then didn't happen. They actually did get on the cover of NME at one point, so they had a sort of a brush with it, but then they broke up. And Howie Zephyr, the sax player, Howie Zephyr, he came back to Toronto and formed the Garbage Men. And so I ended up with them and then that was a band that stuck around for five or six years. We had a, first we had a, we just played residencies. We first had a residency at the Quokk-Tay in Kensington Market and then we moved to the Cameron where we played every Wednesday for like four years. From 84 to 88.

And then I also joined a band called Groovy Religion which was led by William New, who's also known for booking Elvis Mondays, which was like a really important night that lasted for over 30 years, where he just basically every week he would have like five independent acts play, you know, like a 15 or 20 minute set. And that was kind of how, like dozens and dozens of Toronto bands first set foot on stage because of Elvis Monday. I played in Groovy Religion off and on for about 25 years, I think. And this Groovy Religion, then I joined White Noise, who are kind of an Ornette Coleman-influenced jazz funk

band, like kind of a harmonic jazz funk band, which was a really fun band to be in and a great education for me. Learned a lot about playing in odd time signatures and stuff and polyrhythms playing with them. And then from, I guess from then on, those are like the first sort of four bands I was in. And then I was just in, I just played in, you know, I was in Plaster Scene Replicas very briefly. I've just played in dozens of bands, you know, and I did sessions. And then eventually I joined Andrew Cash and toured with him.

Ah, there! Speak of the devil! Lady says, man, can I help you? I just say no. Walk back out again into the morning rain. The smell of mocha cream on my friend. I put my hands into my pocket. Hey, what do I find? These two cold hands kinda look like mine I don't wanna live in this moon town no more I don't wanna judge my love by what I can't afford Andrew Cash, Boomtown, you're playing on this album. Yeah, yeah.

We recorded this album with Don Dixon, who was one of the producers on the first R.E.M. record, which is, I think, why Andrew wanted to work with him. We recorded this down in Charlotte, North Carolina. And yeah, that was a fun experience. I haven't heard that in decades. It sounds pretty good. Yeah, I had Charlie Angus over earlier this year, of course, LeTron J was Charlie Angus and Andrew Cash here. And so there's, they're having a moment like this and Charlie Angus anyway is

becoming like part of the the resistance here and he's having... Charlie is like the the greatest politician in the country you know and and Andrew was an MP as well. Yeah. And it makes me sad he still isn't because Andrew just always had his heart in the right place. And I remember when I played with him, he was so political, sometimes it would be like, man, you got to stop talking about politics and just play the songs, which now I think like, oh, I was an idiot. was he was really speaking truth to power from the stage from day one and a great guy a great songwriter one of the most prolific songwriters I've ever worked with and Yeah, I had it was a great experience

Playing with him and touring with him. I love both Charlie and Andrew I wish and like I Andrew. I wish Andrew was still in parliament. I think Andrew became the victim of what do you call it, that type of voting, like strategic voting. A lot of NDP candidates are going to be victims of strategic voting in three weeks. Yeah, and Andrew was one of those in a couple of elections, and I feel it's a shame because he was, I think, a great parliamentarian and just a great person. Well, Charlie has only three weeks left as a parliamentarian. Which is sad, you know, and it's sad that the reason he's walking away from it is because of, you know, harassment, you know, because of people harassing his family and stuff like that, which is a terrible state of affairs because he's an invaluable asset to the country.

He'll have more time for Grievous Angels. So there'll be more music. There'll be more music. A lot more music. That's a good thing. And he feels, I don't know, I asked him why not, because now there's this renewed popularity with the Trump threats and I said you should, you know, you should change your mind and he feels he can be more powerful from outside so we'll have him as part of the resistance outside the, outside of parliament. Maybe he can speak his mind louder without being part of the system.

I'm sure whatever, you know, I respect whatever choices the man makes and I'm sure he will make good use of his time no matter what he's doing. But that boomtown was huge. Like this is, so here we are in 1988, you got your first taste of like what I'd call like major label, you know, activity. So it was huge that boomtown. It did well. It got a lot of radio play. I don't know if it if it resulted in huge record sales I don't think it did. I think it may be respectable But you know, I don't let's see actually he left Island after that record I was gonna say he got dropped but he didn't get dropped He decided to leave Island which may be business

He was on Island Records, which may be business wise wasn't the the best move, but that was his choice at the time. And I ended up, I was in the process of doing demos and pre-production for his next record when I got called up to join Blue Road. Right, in 1991 you get the call from Jim. We're going to get to that. So when you're with Andrew Cash though, you could leave the comfy confines of Queen Street West because you guys went to Europe you went to throw Canada to the USA You're on an extensive tour with Andrew. Yeah, I was touring a lot with Andrew and I did kind of I was yeah sort of on the Queen Street scene a little less and then Andrew also went through a quiet period and

While that was happening I was playing with this guy Andy Curran for a while. FOTM Andy Curran that means friend of Toronto Mike, much like yourself. I got gifts for you in a moment but Andy Curran of course, Andy Curran, Monkey Bars. Monkey Bars was a song with Coney Hatch and yeah he was an original member of Coney Hatch who he's still playing with with they're still out there. But yeah at that time had Coney Hatch broken up and so he started a solo career with Andy Curran and Soho 69 so I ended up doing that for a couple of years and which also kind of took me away from you know the local scene. That was a very different

world altogether that was the world of hair metal. There's another band I want to ask you about. So just before we give you that, you know, you're going to get a call. There's a call coming to you in late 1991 and that'll introduce like a whole new segment. But before we get there, my guests on Wednesday, Change of Heart. Oh, amazing. So tell me about pre-Blue Rodeo playing with Change of Heart. Well, that was actually not... Oh, amazing. So tell me about pre pre blue rodeo playing with Change of Heart. Well, that was actually not a free current that was actually concurrent. They both kind of happened at the same time. Like Ian called me in Blurton. The drummer Ron Duffy was I think he had some some physical issues like back

problems or something like that. So they were about to record this epic record Smile, which is like, would it be a double album? It is a great album. It's got it's got it's got great songs on it. And it was it was like a joyous experience making that. But so he was like, Ian called me. And he's like, you know, so can you play on this record and we're going to do it live off the floor. And I forget how many songs it was like 25 songs, you know, I had to learn a whole bunch of songs and then we rehearsed and we all rehearsed together. And then we went into the studio called reaction and did the whole album in four days. And I think I think I recorded smile. And then the days. And I think I recorded Smile,

and then the next week I was in the studio, I'm getting ahead of myself in the next weekend. Yeah, you were lost together. But I was in the studio recording Lost Together with the Rodeo. So that all happened like the first couple of weeks at 92. Okay, then one more name at the throw at you before we talk some Blue Rodeo,

and then there'll be more names after. But there's a gentleman, I think he's too, I can't get him over here, man doesn't live here but Colin Linden like can you tell me about playing with Colin Linden oh yeah I did play with Colin for a while well yeah he's in Nashville so yeah it's hard to get us yeah I think he could fly up I feel like is it is it old brother he played an old brother right I'm trying to think of the might. I wouldn't be surprised if he's on that. He has had an association with Buddy Miller which I think has brought him into a few soundtracks and things like that. I

know he was on the show Nashville. He was involved in that, in the music for that. I even played with Bob Dylan briefly, I think. But Colin at the time was still based in Toronto and was playing Roots music. He was like a blues prodigy when he was a kid. But yeah, he had released a few really great solo records. And Gary Craig, who's a great Toronto drummer, who I still actually share a drum chair with in Action Sound Band. We kind of split the duties for that band between us, depending on who's available. But I was subbing for Gary Craig, who was Colin's drummer.

And so yeah, I did probably play the, I don't know, played a ton of gigs, but you know, 12 to 20 gigs we call in the late 80s, subbing for Gary, which was great for me actually, just because Gary is a very different drummer from me, especially at that time, and I learned a lot about economy and playing the song and how to sort of tell a story with your drum parts, how to really how to play the song on the drums, you know, because Gary's really great at that. There's a reason he's still working 40 years later. And yeah, so that was a great experience. Now, you know, Glenn, I'm trying to collect all members of Blue Rodeo past and present.

Yeah, you're getting close. Getting close. We'll get to that in a moment. But I'm trying also, I'd like to have all members of Blackie and the Rodeo Kings as well. I've had Stephen Fearing has been over and Tom Wilson several times. So Colin is a missing link. So if anyone out there can get me a direct line to Colin Linden, I need to talk to this

gentleman. Absolutely. So here we are now. We're ready for you to get the call. But I'm going to give you a few gifts first and then we'll find out how you end up in Blue Rodeo. And then as you can imagine I have a bunch of Blue Rodeo questions and then there's questions from the listenership that they've sent in and I think you'll dig these actually. Mostly non Blue Rodeo related actually.

Cool. Where do I begin? You're about to Glenn, you're about to get a whack of great stuff. I'm going to tell you now in my freezer upstairs is a large meat lasagna from Palma pasta Do you enjoy lasagna? I love lasagna. This is wonderful. I I didn't know I was gonna get a free lasagna That's well, you know why cuz Greg Keeler got nothing. You know why because he's a no He didn't visit the basement. I can get vegetarian lasagnas, but he zoomed in. He didn't get anything. But so I have, uh, this is an empty box, but before you leave, you'll have a large lasagna from Palma Pasta. Much love and thanks to Palma Pasta for sponsoring the show. And they'll be feeding us at TMLX 18, which is going to be June 26th from 6 to 9 PM at Great Lakes Brewery. Everyone's invited by the way, but speaking of Great Lakes Brewery,

they have sent over some fresh craft beer for you. Sweet. So you got beer and lasagna. I like both beer and lasagna. And they go well together actually. Yeah, I like both of them, both of those things quite a bit. Well, but wait, there's more. Oh my God.

Okay, I know. Billy Mays? Is that his name? Who's the guy? But wait, there's more. I think his name is Billy Mays. Anyway, not to be confused with Willie Mays, the late great. Okay, might be the greatest ball player of all time, Willie Mays. Okay, Ridley Funeral Home. These guys are pillars of this community. They're at 14th and Lakeshore. They have a great podcast called Life's Undertaking and they have a measuring tape for you, Glenn. Oh, wonderful. And subscribe to Life's Undertaking because I get to co-host that show, which is a lot of fun. Okay. And while you're, Glenn, I got you subscribing to shows, subscribe to Building Toronto Skyline

from Nick Ienies. Our next episode will be all about the CN Tower, which is turning 50 years old, 50 years of the CN Tower. Do you have memories of the skyline pre CN Tower? I do. I vaguely remember that. I certainly remember when the CN Tower? I do I vaguely remember that I certainly remember when the CN Tower was being built and you know when it was finished and what a big deal that was the world's tallest freestanding structure. Yeah for a long time. I don't have I'm a little bit younger than you I have no memory of that skyline without the CN Tower zero memory. My memories are pretty vague I gotta say. Close your eyes Glenn. Let's go back

Okay, but Nick Aeneas his podcast building Toronto skyline new episode Friday on the CN Towers subscribe and joy Thank you. Nick Aeneas from fusion Corp for stepping up. This is exciting Glenn. I have a wireless speaker for you Oh, wow courtesy of mineras and you know what you're gonna do with that wireless speaker? You're gonna subscribe and listen to Yes We Are Open because Al Grego went to Saskatchewan and he collects these inspiring stories with small business owners for Monaris and he shares these stories on Yes We Are Open and episodes from season 8 are dropping now. Season 8 from Saskatchewan. I can't

wait to tell people more details. That's cool. You know, and I know Blue Rodeo, when Blue Rodeo does a typical Canada tour, is the only stop in Saskatchewan Regina? No, we also play Saskatoon. Saskatoon, okay. My first wife was from Saskatoon.

Oh yeah, it's a great city, I love Saskatoon. A lot of beautiful women in Saskatoon. You're telling me, okay. You know, it's more than just a Diefenbaker going on over there. I know he went to that university and he was a big deal in Saskatoon. I love Saskatchewan and it's like beautiful. It's not a bad rap, but people are like, oh, there's not much to do or see. It's just flat or whatever.

Cause then, you know, you got all these mountains and Alberta and they don't get it they don't get it so please help me get it Al will be on to talk about his trip to Regina but I've never been to Saskatchewan and I know it's glorious I think it's beautiful and I you know I I've certainly heard then it's boring it's like I don't know it's like It's like, I love driving through the prairies. I love the big sky. I love the open fields. I really enjoy the cities of Regina and Saskatoon. I'm a runner, and I love running in Regina.

I think it's a man-made lake they have there, but it's beautiful. You can run around that. It's quite near the venue we usually play which I think is called the Conexus Center now. You know these places always have new corporate names, so it's hard to remember them all. But it's actually also the the halls in Regina and Saskatoon. They might both be called Conexus Center, but they're kind of identical halls. They're halls that were built, there's a lot of halls that were built in 1967 around the country and those are often my favorite halls. They're just acoustically and architecturally beautiful and yeah they're great great places to play and I don't know also you know when I play with Andrew, Andrew's first wife, Sandy Pandia, who's kind of a

legendary business, music business manager, she's her family's from Regina. So she kind of, you know, when I would go there with with Andrew, we would always kind of be welcome with open arms. So I've just always liked Regina. Well, you know, you know what, you should work for the tourism board I am sold like I'm serious I want to go to Regina. Well I believe in like especially like you know Blue Rodeo pretty much all our touring now is in Canada so you know we go back to these places again and again and I believe in finding you know what is good

about a place I don't just want to go like, oh there's 10, 6, oh no we're not going there are we? You know like I there's always something good in every town if you look for it and Regina's no exception. Exactly. Okay I'm gonna get my ass there. Al got there and he's got season 8 dropping right now. Do you enjoy driving a nice clean car Glenn? Would you like that car spotless? Yeah I like being in it. Especially I don't really care about the exterior as much as the interior. I want a clean interior. Glad you said that. Okay because I've got the most amazing gift for you Glenn. This is

unbelievable. It's only for April so you got in in the right time here okay. Because that's Silver Wax. Silver Wax makes pro-grade auto care and cleaning for April so you're you got in in the these two bottles and that bucket and in that bucket is I'm serious this is everything you need. I'm getting a bucket. You got this bucket you get crack open this bucket and see what's inside it. Yeah it's heavy-duty robust technology here. So Glenn you're gonna have to clean his car inside and out and I'm just gonna tell the listeners that they can find Silver Wax at silverwax.ca and the promo code Toronto Mike 10, Toronto Mike 10, at checkout saves you 10% off your next order. Silverwax has been proudly Canadian since 1999, and that is not about to change, Glen.

Yeah, damn right. Ha ha ha. Ha ha ha. This song is epic, Glenn. That dance around your head In your eyes I see that perfect world Hope that doesn't sound too weird And I want all the world to know That your love's all I need All that I need

And if we love Then we are lost together All right, Glenn, tell me about this phone call. How do you end up in Blue Rodeo? Well actually the first phone call I got was from Andrew Cash and he called me one day and I think it was December or November 91 and he said Glenn I think your ship has come in and I was like well what are you talking about? He said well Jim Cuddy just called me and asked if I would mind if you audition for Boop. And so I was like, wow, amazing.

And then I got a call from Jim. And so I bought a bunch of their cassettes, I think. You got outskirts? I'm sure I did. You know, I guess at that point there were three records out, so I would have grabbed, you know, outskirts, Diamond Mine and Casino. And you know who produced Diamond Mine? Yes, Malcolm Byrne. And you played with Malcolm?

I did play with Malcolm Byrne, actually, yes. Before he moved to New Orleans, he put out a solo record. He was a member of this band, Boys Brigade, who were pretty hot. I guess they put out one record on Anthem and Rush's label and then he did a solo record. I guess they broke up then he did a solo record and then he was kind of a protege of Daniel Lamois and so he moved down to New Orleans where Daniel Lamois, I don't know if he'd set up Kingsway yet, but he was based in New Orleans so I think he had set up Kingsway so Malcolm went down there and became a record producer. So you had to audition for Blue Rodeo? I had to audition for Blue Rodeo but the truth is they only auditioned two drummers there was me and there was another

drummer unfortunately his name is escape me at the moment is a really great drumming he was jazz drummer and uh... like kind of strictly jazz drummer so kind of not the right guy so i you know i mean i could have suggested ten other people that might have been the right But they didn't audition those people They just auditioned me and the jazz drummer and they were like, let's go with the more rock drummer guy But I think the thing is they already knew my drumming they they they knew me from the garbage men

They knew me from vital signs But they I they never considered me as someone who could possibly be a drummer from Blue Rodeo until they saw me play with Andrew Cash, who Andrew had a gig, we had a gig opening for them at Guelph University, and I think they saw me playing with Andrew, and Andrew's music was of course a similar style to Rodeo's. Big time, that Boomtown Yag fits right alongside Try or whatever. Yeah, it's like roots based music, influenced by the band and the Beatles and Neil Young and that's, you know, they're very common influences. So I think they went, oh, he can do this too, he's not just like weird funk guy, you know, or hard rock guy.

So yeah, so they, so I played with them and it worked. It sounded really good and I adapted my style to them as best I could, which I did with everybody at that point. At that point, you know, I had, when I first started playing, I was kind of like, I'm just going to play music and bands that I think are cool, post-punk bands, you know, I had, when I first started playing, I was kind of like, I'm just gonna play music and bands that I think are cool, post-punk bands, you know, and then I had a kid when I was 22 and then I was like, okay, now I have to actually, you know, be a breadwinner and I only have one skill. Right.

So I'm gonna have to, you know, I'll play with whoever, you know, and so I was just like, you know, I will learn to do your thing, you know, and I'll play with whoever. And so I was just like, I will learn to do your thing and I will play with you if you will have me. And so I did my best to adapt my style to Blue Rodeo, which took some doing. I'd say it took me years to really sort of find my feet with that band. But the thing about Rodeo is that Rodeo was

kind of always about square pegs fitting into the round hole a bit. Like having Bobby Wiseman in the band, having a guy who was essentially kind of an avant-garde improviser in the band sort of brought this other dimension to the band that, you know, that I think they realized, hey, this is a good thing. This is a good thing not to just sort of get like a rootsy keyboard player. And so I think, you know, when they looked at me, they was like, okay, this guy's not just a rootsy drummer.

He's someone who has, comes from a diverse musical background and this could actually benefit us, which I think it did, ultimately. Well, ultimately, you're on a stamp now, Glen, okay? You're on a stamp now. Blue Rodeo's still a going concerned, right? You're still gonna play in front of sold out arenas. Hopefully.

Of course. We love Blue Rodeo. course we love Blue Rodeo. I love my mom loves Blue Rodeo. There's not a lot of I'll tell you the truthfully there's a Venn diagram of the songs I like and the songs my mom like and then in the middle there's like two artists I think there's about two artists. Kenny Rogers and Blue Rodeo where we kind of meet and I've taken her to Massey Hall to see Blue Rodeo. It's yeah she she fell fell in love like, you know, pre Glenn, she fell in love with Try. I think a lot of people, they heard Try and they were hooked and yeah, and Try, the drummer,

of course, just visited my basement for the first time last month. He came with Mike Boguski, but Cleve Anderson. So one thing I find interesting is that we talk about Cleve Anderson, first drummer, founding member of is that we talk about Cleve Anderson, first drummer, founding member of Blue Rodeo, who of course, he talked about why he left and I talked to Greg Keeler about why he left and Jim makes sense to me. You mentioned having a kid, right?

So he's got a family and he had a good opportunity at the post office and he made a decision, but we do skip a guy, right? Because you don't take over for Cleve Anderson, you take over for Mark French. Yes. But it does seem like, and I saw the doc, we'll get to that in a minute, but it does seem like we skipped Mark French. I guess he was only the drummer for one album.

Yeah, it's, you know, actually in the doc, there's a few members who were kind of skipped, who aren't mentioned, which is unfortunate. And I just, I think the makers of the doc, you know, they have to tell a story that spans about 50 years and 90 minutes. So they kind of made that decision which, you know, which is a little unfortunate, but it's like, you know, I'm not criticizing them for it. It's like, you know, they got to they got to make this story fit, you know. But yeah, Mark French was the drummer for

three years and he recorded Casino and then toured with the band for three years. Also, other members that rarely get mentioned are Kim Deschamps who was with us for eight years. Right, Pedal Steel. He played Pedal Steel five days in May, five days in July rather, and a few other records. But everyone makes that mistake you just made, because the song and the album. Yes, yeah. Everyone makes that mistake.

Yeah. Like which is which? And James Gray was with us for 13 years, and he's not mentioned in the doc. Just a moment on James actually, since you brought up his name. Sadly, that's the only member of Blue Rodeo who was passed on. Yes. James Gray. Yeah. Would you share a little more about James? There's a member who won't be visiting me sadly in

the basement. James was a James I was actually the one that got James in the band. I'd known James from when I started playing in Toronto and I loved James but James was kind of also notoriously difficult and and He so he he would he guested with a lot of bands but he he was not no bands would sort of have him as a full-time member because he was He was kind of a difficult guy, but also a lovable guy And so everybody loved James and appreciated James, but they were kind of like yeah, he's kind of trouble, you know So it was funny when when Bobby Wiseman left, James got in touch with me and he was like, man, I'd love to audition, you know, and can you lend me some cassettes? So I gave

him all my Blue Rodeo cassettes and, but I didn't call him because he was difficult, you know. And again, and so we tried like a dozen keyboard players and none of them were right and I was like, oh shit, I'm gonna have to call James. So I called James, I was like, okay, you should come on audition. He was like, why didn't you call me sooner? I was like, I don't know.

And he came down and right away, they were like, he's perfect, he's the guy. And I remember the next day talking to Jim and we were flying somewhere and I was like, okay, I gotta tell you, like, you know, he's great and everything, but he's not easy. He's kind of difficult.

And Jim was like, what are you talking about? He's great. And then he ended up staying with us for 13 years. And sure enough, it was difficult. And, you know, but James couldn't help that, you know enough it was difficult and and and you know but James couldn't help that you know it was just who he was but he was also brilliant and we had a great time like we he and I in particular fought so much we used to room together I think that lasted about six months and then

was just like okay we can't room together anymore we just fought all the time and so I mean I gotta say say, some of it was me, it wasn't just James who's difficult, like I was not always also, I wasn't like the easiest person, especially when I was younger, I think a little more tolerable. You've mellowed out? I've mellowed a bit, over the last 30 years.

That sweater has helped remind you to rein it in. It's helped me chill. So James Gray, again, the only member of Blue Rodeo who's passed away, so he left the band in 2005. Yes. And then before we get to the great FOTM, Mike Boguski, Bob Packwood is on organs for a few years. Right, Bob replaced James and he lasted for three years. And Bob also a great player, very quiet guy. But there was just, there was kind of underneath that sort of quiet thing, there was some, I guess, simmering resentments

that kind of exploded in the studio one day. And that ended up being the end of Bob. Bob Packwood. Because I could ask you about the end of Bob Wiseman right now. So, now again, I don't think you, you're not in the band for very long with Bob Wiseman, right? Like what's the overlap period? I think I was in the band for the recording

of Lost Together and I'd say it was about might have been four or five months I rem- he left he was you know, even before I joined Blue Rodeo I was working with Bob when I was still with Andrew Cash, because Bob was producing, was going to produce Andrew's record after Boomtown. So he, we were doing some pre-production with him. And I remember thinking

he was doing a great job and I enjoyed working with him. Though that, I don't think he ended up completing that record. But I remember even then him expressing his dissatisfaction with being Blue Rodeo. And he was very vocal about his issues with Blue Rodeo. He would often talk about it in the press and stuff, and you know, when doing his own press and things. And so I knew for years that he wasn't that happy in Blue Rodeo and when I joined it was like whoa this guy's really not into this you know like I remember you know him doing where us doing a rehearsal and he would kind of be like leafing through now magazine and kind of playing with

the other hand and Jim would be like Bobby can you can you put the paper away you know it was like really odd like his dissatisfaction with the band was really obvious, but I think, you know, they just sort of thought, well, he's our secret weapon, so, you know, we got to put up with it. But shortly after I joined, I remember we played South by Southwest and I think he got a publishing deal and he was aspiring to be a producer and a solo artist and so I think you know he the publishing deal kind of gave him the financial freedom to say okay I can walk away from this so he did. So I've had the pleasure of having Bob Wiseman down

here for a long chat and it strikes me because I just talked to Jane Sibary maybe before just a little, like really close to that time period and how they're true artists, you know what I mean? Like Bob Wiseman, he's such a true artist. You just, you see him, he gets kind of gets immersed and lost in the, in the art and it all, you know, having him talk about why he left Blue Rodeo and then talking to Greg about the same thing, it's, you know, Greg was very complimentary to Bob Wiseman this musical genius But just Bob didn't like being told what to do. It sounded like when it came to his artistic expression, you know to essentially

We're sidemen You know and not everybody has the mentality to be a sideman. It's not easy. I had to the mentality to be a sideman. It's not easy. I had to learn to subsume my ego and that took me many years. I'd love to say that I just walked in and I just immediately gave them what they wanted and they were like, oh thank God this is so easy. Like I did, I had, you know, I've had lots of conflicts in the studio with Jim and Greg or, you know, Greg is very much, Jim is a bit more of a play what you feel guy. Sometimes he'll have like an idea like for instance in Five Days in May the drum pattern on that was his idea. It's like I'd like you to go like do do da do do da on the snare drum with the brushes.

You know, he told me to do that. I didn't go like, this is what I would play. And it was absolutely the right thing to play on the song. And, you know, other times I've had my own ideas and felt like, what makes you think you know better than me? I'm the drummer. You know, right. So but in the end, you know, it's your job to to help realize the songwriter's vision. And, you know, some people, you know, ultimately I see, you know, I've come around to seeing that's my job. My job isn't to sort of show people that I can play amazing fills. You know, my job is to play the song and tell the story of the song on the drum kit. And there's an art to that. There's

enough of an art to that, no matter how simple it may be, that that in itself is enough and should be enough. And I'm not saying that, you know, that wasn't enough for Bobby, but you know, like Bobby is someone who just like has his own vision and and and I know lots of musicians like that, lots of musicians that are just like, no, like if you want me to play, then I do my thing. And if you don't like that, then you need to get somebody else. And and you know, and I think he was a bit more one of those guys. And he's just not really someone who's meant to be a sound man. He's meant

to do his own thing to produce people and and that's fine, too And I just think that is has a lot to do with why he moved on from rodeo so Bob Bob moves on and You know we talked about James Gray who sadly passed away in 2013 we lost James Gray Yeah, you know one name we haven't actually mentioned is other than Jim and Greg which I'll get back to actually there's a member of the band That's been there since the beginning and basil Donovan. So so you are the fourth longest-serving member of Blue rodeo after the three founders Jim Greg and Basil. Yes

That's yeah, you were there. So 91 you show up the band forms in 84, but you show up 85. Okay 85 Okay, good back. This is the 40th year. Okay 40th anniversary of Blue Rodeo that's why we're getting all the noise. We're getting the stamps, we're getting the documentary, we're like time to to recognize this this great band in our midst Blue Rodeo but when it comes to Blue Rodeo I was at Massey Hall last year for the inducted Jim and Greg into the Songwriters Hall of Fame. Ron McClain made this fun speech and talked to Greg about this on Toronto Mic. You guys can check that out. Is Blue Rodeo, is it like Bon Jovi? And what I mean by that is like Bon Jovi,

is Bon Jovi, there's a guy named John, there's a guy named Bon Jovi and it's his band and he's got these, these hired guns, if you will, to execute the songs but is is it and again there's no disrespect here because you all you know Basil yourself Michael Boguski Colin Cripps Jimmy Boskill like is it Jim and Greg's band and then you're all there not to pollute the process? It's Jim and Greg's band but we are all there to pollute the process. But I wouldn't say we pollute it, but like the band wouldn't be the same without Basil on bass, you know, like Basil, Basil's a distinct part of the band's sound, you know, his melodic bass lines are a really important part of the band's sound. And I think everybody who's been in the band, especially people who've been in it for a considerable

amount of time, have had a part in creating the template that is blue rodeo. Like obviously Bobby Wiseman was a big part of that. You know and Cleve too, like when I joined, I remember Jim saying to me, well, this is what our drumming thing is like. There's a lot of simple, single stroke rolls and things like that, which I immediately did away with. Like, I mean, yeah, that was Cleve's thing,

but that ain't my thing. And so, you know, I've kind of, you know, I've been part of the template as well in that, you know, say've been part of the template as well in that, you know, say the record five days, five days in July, you know, being a drummer who could play sort of soft, softer stuff and use brushes and things like that. And, you know, that was kind of my part in helping expand the band's sound. So I think we've all, and having pedal steel in the band brought yet another dimension to it.

And now, say the band as it exists now, we have, like now we have two wicked guitar slingers in the band. We have Colin Cripps and we have Jimmy Boeskill, which is kind of like, which has made the band, you know, even more sort of guitar centric. And so like that's kind of expanded the template of the band again and that now we have, you know, a big part of our show is like these fiery

dueling guitar solos, you know, which was not a thing 35 years ago. So everybody contributes, but having said that, it's Jim and Greg's band, the defining sound of the band are Jim and Greg's voices and Jim and Greg's songwriting. Those are the essential key elements. Everything else is important, everything else contributes to the character of the band, everything else has helped make the band what it is, but what it really boils down to

is their songs and their voices. That is what the band is. Glenn, when the tragically hip had to stop touring when Gord became ill, did you feel at all like, oh, it's now on us in Blue Rodeo, we are now the Canadian rock touring band, the de facto house band for this country? I know I don't, I gotta say I don't really, I don't really think that way. Okay. I don't really I don't really go like we're Canada's band you know or something here which you know and then when you as funny because somebody I think Andy Mays said that in the documentary and then they use that in like an ad and then there was like 75 people going they're not Canada's band. Blue Roadie tragically hip or Canada's band.

The Guess Who were Canada's band. Skydiggers are Canada's band. Yeah, Rush are Canada's band. You know it's like it's like it, I don't, it's not like we aspire to be Canada's band or we see ourselves as Canada's band. Like I just think of this as one of thousands of great bands in Canada, you know, like. Okay, but essentially all those bands you named are no longer active, right? Because Rush is done and Hippie's done. Okay. I guess who might be coming back, but we'll see. There's a rumor, but they might be real, right? I don't know. Like, there's lots of great, I guess, I guess who might be coming back but we'll see there's a rumor but that they might be real right? I don't know like there's lots of great I guess I there's lots of I guess from a process of elimination maybe we're still in terms of

a long-term band I guess to be honest like I honestly haven't thought about this I haven't thought about like it's not important to you. No it's not. Because you're just a great live band and you tour for your fans and you enjoy playing music. I just can't believe we're still doing it and I'm just so happy we're still doing it. It is like such a blessing and a boon and you know when I joined the band I thought like cool man I'm gonna be like like I'm gonna have a steady gig for like five years you know what I mean? You know what I mean? So it's like that's been 33 years now so it's like I just go... Amazing. Yeah so I go holy shit it's like that's been 33 years now. So it's like, I just go... Amazing.

Yeah. So I go, holy shit, you know, like, that's amazing. And I just kind of look at it like that. But I, that's just, yeah, I just don't really look at it beyond that. What's it like from behind the kit when you're closing a show and everyone is singing Lost Together together? Like I played it and I can hear the crowd that I've been to so many blue rodeo concerts and the crowd singing, it's just that moment. What's it like from behind the kit during that moment? Well, this is where I get kind of emotional.

Better. Yeah, sorry. No, don't be sorry. I know. I want to be the guy that's like cries every time you talk about this. Because this happened in the dark too. But um, but yeah, it's like, I guess I've had lots of moments where I've looked at that and just went you know. Yeah, just feel incredibly grateful, it's still happening and Touched you know and it's not like I feel that every time but I try to now because there was as I said this in the dock there was a time when I kind of took it for granted you know and And then after a while I realized like this is a miracle that this is still

Happening, you know that these people are still here for us And that we still and that we still mean something to them, and I think I think that is The thing about this band that's so special to me is, you know, when I started playing drums, I never thought, I always thought, I like to be in a band where people think I'm an awesome drummer and I can play lots of crazy fills. And I didn't end up in a band like that. I didn't end up in a band where it was like the drums are super flashy and everybody's going like, oh my god, the drummer can play so many notes.

I ended up in a band where the songs mean an incredible amount to people. And we did this gig a couple years ago. It was this gig in Oka, Quebec. And it was a bit of an odd gig. It was the first time the promoters had done a gig. It was like the first show they'd ever put on. And the site was kind of weird. It ended up being super muddy. And they didn't really know what they were doing in terms of promotion, so it was a little undersolved. So we're all like, oh my god, what is this gig going to be like?

And so we go there, and there's this muddy field, and there's maybe a thousand people there. But it's daylight, and you can see people while we're playing, which also doesn't happen very often, and we're playing like five days, and I see this two women holding each other. And like, sorry, yeah, but like bawling all the way through the song, you know? And I realized that like, they're crying because this was like their dad's favorite song or their husband's favorite song or someone that they loved, you know, who's not with them anymore. And it's bringing that person back to them. And then a few songs later, I see the same thing. Like, on the other side of the crowd,

two women just holding each other and bawling all the way through the song. And I kind of got like I am right now, you know? Like, because I thought, like, oh, like, this is what this means to people, you know? Like, this music. You got any Kleenex? Sorry, man, I was worried this was gonna happen.

Nevermind, I'll use the sleeve of my alpaca sweater. But anyway, sorry, man, sorry, people. But what this band gives to people through the songs and through is like, yeah, Kleenex is like, you know, it's just like a meaning it has a meaningfulness to people that like I never imagined or could have foreseen, you know, when I joined the band, when I started playing music, when I started playing drums, like, that's, So that's like an incredible gift. So that's what I think about when I see people singing

Lost Together, when we do gigs. Just that's what I think about with this band. Like this band gave me something I never could have imagined when I started playing music. And I'm really grateful for that. It's magic. It's magic. And we're all grateful. I'll tell you, I'm really grateful for that. It's magic. It's magic. And we're all grateful. I'll tell you, I'm grateful. I've seen your band live many... I've seen

it, you know. How many times have you played that Budweiser stage last? Has anyone played it more than you? No, we've played it the most. I think we're at something like 20... I think it was... we might be 24 25 times now 25 times we played it Wow And they there's always that moment during lost together when you're you're singing at the top of your lungs and you're you're not alone you're surrounded the whole place is jammed of people singing at the top of their lungs and It's magic All right, we got to talk about something less emotional Well here, let me ask you. What is your favorite Blue Rodeo song to play?

Do you have a? That's a hard one. I, you know, somebody asked that before and I... How dare they take my question? Well, I don't know. I like, I like, you know, there's the odd one. I like playing all of them. They're all good.

Yeah, yeah, I don't. Yeah, I don't. I don't really go. Oh, yeah, this is this is my favorite. Yeah, we can move on to the listener questions here. Okay, so that we're going to cover some good. By the way, is your like I think you posted this. Your wife, you have a wife named Monica.

Yes, that's my I have a wife named Monica Oh, but they're not the same Monica, right? Just check not. Okay. Let's hope not right and she was did she film in Shorzy? She is a yeah, she's a cinematographer camera operator I never know which one to call her like it depends on what she's doing right but she is a camera operator in Shorzy and she shoots yeah, she shot both a doing right but she is a camera operator in Shorzy and she shoots yeah she shot both uh Shorzy and Letter Kenny the show that it spun off from okay well the guy who hosts Yes We Are Open which is why you have that great speaker from Monaris he hosts like the definitive Shorzy slash Letter Kenny podcast called um the produce stand So I'm just shouting, maybe if your wife, Monica,

I don't know, I think everybody knows on the set or whatever, but shout out to Al Grego and The Produce Stand and your wife who films for Shorzy. I think that's pretty cool. And Sudbury, right? Yeah, she's actually just coming back today from Sudbury from a five week shoot. They're just shooting season three of Shorzy.

Okay, cool. Or maybe season four, I can't remember. And are you working, I'm covering my little questions that I'm gonna burn with, but I had, Colin Brunton was on this show. Yeah. And somebody heard him on Toronto Mike and gave $10,000 towards the making

of the Nash the Slash documentary he's working on. Right, wow. Are you working on a Nash the Slash documentary he's working on. Right, wow. Are you working on a Nash the Slash tribute album? I'm I actually with Ian Blurton. Who's here Wednesday. Oh he's here Wednesday but so I'm in a band with Ian Blurton, Ian Blurton's Future Now. Yeah. And we have contributed a version of Phasers on Stun which is a song by FM of which a Toronto band that Nash the Slash was a version of Phasers on Stun which is a song by FM of which Toronto band that Nash Slash was a member of. Wow okay see how everything's

connected? Everything comes full through. Everything's connected here. Okay let me get to these questions from the the listenership and again no particular order although no you know what I'm the boss around here Glenn okay I do want to just play a bit of this. ["Birds of a Sky"] Step down with a moanin' Bird's back from the sky That vocal sounds a bit like Gore Downey, actually,

as I hear this. Oh, that's an interesting thought. That's my brother singing. Though I can't say... I would say any resemblance to Gord Downie is entirely coincidental. My brother was not influenced by Gord Downie in any way. All due respect to Gord. But yeah, that's my brother. That's not me on drums. I did play with him. We did do a

duo recording that was never officially released, though you can find it on Bandcamp. It's called Starving Hungry. I think it's called Demos 1999 or something like that. So this band is called Starving Hungry for this project. And that's your twin brother John's project. Yes, that's my twin brother John's project. That would be the Montreal version of the band. He moved to Montreal. I recorded with him in 1999.

I played with him from 97 to 99. And then he fired me because I was too busy with Blue Rodeo. And then he had a Toronto version of the band that had Nick Sewell in it, who is currently in Biblical and Mount Sinai as bass player and leader of those two bands, and also the drummer John Card, who was a drummer for DOA. So that was the Toronto version of Starved in Hungry, and then John moved to Montreal and formed a Montreal version of Starved in Hungry, which is what we're listening to there. I love my brother's songs.

That band no longer exists. He broke it up quite a while ago, but I thought my brother was a great rock and roll singer and songwriter, and I really enjoyed playing with him until he fired me. We fought a lot, though. Oh my god, I don't recommend it. Well, you're twins, I don't know what that could be like, I don't have a twin. There's always stories about bands with siblings in them and how the siblings just fight like crazy and it's so true. Just a few seconds of this before I fade it down. so You know, Gord, maybe a little, not that they were influential, but the strokes.

Can you hear a bit of... Yeah, my brother didn't like the strokes either. He was like, they're clean guitar sounds, I don't get it. My brother was, is, especially at that time, was like, heavily influenced by kind of blues, and he was really into American garage punk, he was really into the flat duo jets, who were this guy, Dexter Romwhite Weber, and who died recently, who were also coincidentally a big influence on the White Stripes and it was funny that my brother and I were a duo, this is in 99, you know like we basically formed around the same time

as the White Stripes and I think you know people might have thought we were ripping them off but it was actually he was just happened to be influenced by the same people that Jack White was and kind of had similar musical ideas. Not quite Blue Rodeo is it? Okay. No. Hamilton Mike. Shout out to Hamilton Mike who comes to many a, well he comes to the Palma pasta events I noticed, he's a, because he's in Hamilton, but Mike get to Great Lakes Brewery on June 26th for TMLX18, okay?

Hamilton Mike, ask Glenn about his times playing with Mike Treblecock in Simply Saucer and playing on, he also has Andy Curran kick-ass solo album from 1990 and of course Change of Heart but Mike Treblecock of course I know him best funny thing is these drumsticks you were holding Jean Champagne is now the drummer for Teenage Head, Killjoys and that's Mike Treblecock's band but tell me about playing with Mike Treblecock. Well I played with Mike Treblecock in Simply Saucer which was a simply saucer was a band that was formed I think they were formed in like 72 in 74. They made a record called cyborgs revisited

That became something of an underground classic it's like a Described as a psychedelic punk record, which is as good a description of it as anything it's a really noisy record, but quite brilliant and sort of a, I don't know if it's ahead of its time. It was kind of ahead, it was ahead of its time. It was, and sort of of its time as well. And I was a fan of that record and I met Edgar Brough, the leader and founder of that band, when my band that I had called The Swallows,

which was a band that I sang and played guitar in and wrote the songs for, we played the St. Hollywood and Hamilton, and I can't remember if we were opening for Edgar or Edgar was opening for us, but I met him and I got him to sign my Simply Saucer CD, and then a little while after that, he asked me if I'd like to sign my Simply Saucer CD. And then a little while after that he asked me if I'd like to play in Simply Saucer. And I did.

And I did one short US tour with them and I did some Hamilton shows and Toronto shows. And I actually just saw Edgar play solo just the night before last and he was great. He also does solo stuff. But yeah, I really enjoyed playing with Simply Saucer. Not only that, he had Mike Treblecock on second guitar, and Kevin Kristoff, his bass player, he's the original member of Simply Saucer, and those guys have been playing together for 53 years now. Wow.

Yeah. There's a lot of time for Blue Rodeo. Come on. Done, I don't need much to get by If I can't wait anymore No, I can't wait anymore Sister, I'm turning blue I'm holding my breath for a dream gone dead I'm kicking the Jones for you Cause the truth don'tth inside my head?

You ain't no baby mother I'm not some kind of brother But we're supposed to work it out I'm trying to stay back I'm trying to stay cool I'm trying not to shout But I'm beginning to have my doubts If I can't I If I can't say If I can't say If I can't say If I can't say

If I can't say If I can't say If I can't say If I can't say If I can't say If I can't say If I can't say If I can't say, I can't judge that man. It sounds good to my ears. It sounds like a little Lou Reed influence.

Any Lou Reed influence in the book? Not intentionally. I don't have the ear. I don't have the ear. I would take that though, Lou Reed. I mean, I love Lou Reed. But I don't know what my influences were when I wrote that song.

That was a long time ago. I recorded that in like 97. It came out in 99. Yeah, 25 years ago. Okay, but you said the swallows. I didn't want to wrap up these questions and play you out if I didn't play any swallows. No, thanks for doing that. I appreciate that. That's cool.

Yeah, the swallows were... Turning blue. That was an important project for me. It lasted, I think, about 10 years. But it was something I ended up having difficulty sustaining just because I was playing in a bunch of bands. And when I married my wife, we had two kids. I already have two older kids, and I have two younger kids. I'm in the same boat, buddy. We both have two older kids and I have two younger. I'm in the same boat But we both have a Monica's you have two kids of Monica. Yes, I do and you had two kids already

Yeah, that's my bio man. Oh, there we go. We have the same bio So yeah, but once and then once my fourth child was born I and I just didn't have time to keep doing the swallows and You know, I would have if it was a more profitable venture, but it wasn't. And just time-wise, I couldn't do it anymore. So I ended up putting it aside. So speaking of the Queen Street West scene

and everything we've been talking about, but there's a guy who's been over, love this guy, and speaking of Ian Blurden, but is John Bora in The Swallows? John Bora was the one other member of The Swallows who like we had we had a couple of different guitarists and and but John was the other consistent member. He's fantastic John Bora. John Bora is one of my heroes. Him and Ian Blurton are sort of two local heroes of mine, guys who are lifers and who didn't get rich doing this but have stuck with it because they love it, they believe

in it and because they're true lifers. I was very lucky to get in Blue Rodeo but I was prepared to you know when I decided like I got to do this I can't do anything else I was fully prepared to like you know hey if I got to live in a basement apartment the rest of my life that's fine you know as long as I'm doing what I love to do and that's where those guys are at too and I really respect and love them for that and they've also just made an incredible contribution to the community and to Canadian music in general, you know. Absolutely, absolutely. Okay, question time. So we think we hit one. Okay, Brian Dunn. Oh yeah, we had Hamilton Mike. Brian Dunn writes in Glenn was the drummer for my cousin

Will's band Groovy Religion. Managed by FOTM Jeff Rogers. Yeah. Okay, I'd love to hear any memories, and you did mention it briefly off the top, but any further memories for Brian who's like, oh my cousin was in, my cousin Will was in that band. Groovy Religion. Yeah, Groovy Religion were, that was a really fun band. When I first saw them, they didn't have a drummer, they just had a drum machine. And William was like this sort of dark, mysterious figure on Queen Street. He's the first guy that had dreadlocks, like a white guy that had dreadlocks, but not in the kind of way of like trying to be a rasta. He was just like, I don't know, his hair was so unkempt

it just became dreadlocked. And you know, he was kind of a notorious druggy, which I don't think he would love. But I mean that, well, like there's a comic book about him called R. William that actually is going to be that was in exclaim magazine serialized exclaim magazine for a number of years and they've been putting issues of it you know I guess segments of it online and they're gonna do it again in a book and and that act that goes into some detail about Williams proclivities vices yeah and so I guess so I guess I can talk about that. But yeah, he was kind of, you know, he was known to be this like, you know, druggy guy and kind of this dark

figure. And he came up and asked me if I'd be interested in drumming and groove religion and I did. And it was a band that I would say that was the least prolific band I've ever played in. Like I remember we wrote a rock opera, they wrote a rock opera called Tom which was I ended up making two records with them. One was this record called Thin Gypsy Thief which was like kind of a six-song EP that we recorded in Montreal in like 85. And I think we only had like four songs. I think William, we wrote a song in the studio. And then we had the rock opera Tom after that, that took something like, I don't know how many years that took to write. It was like half an hour long and it probably took 10 years for them to

write it. But it was pretty good. I love Tom and that ended up being recorded as well. It wasn't a band that played a lot, but it was always fun. And William is a great character. He's a lovely guy, a very literate guy. Also in that band were the guitarist Steve Mahabir, who since done a solo record that me and Mike Boguski and John Borah all played on and we recorded a second one with him that he's about to release with the late Peter Moore engineering producing and the great Peter Moore who was most well known for recording

and producing the Trinity Sessions by the Calway Junkins. And Scott B was the bass player, Scott Bradshaw, Scott B Sympathy was the bass player in Groovy Religion and he was a fantastic, like really cool bass player. But it went on, he sort of decided to dedicate himself to the Scott B Sympathy, his band, so then he was replaced by John Bora. and then i eventually got uh... busy uh... with other bands like andrew cash and blue rodeo so i was first replaced by guy named mike polo woda and then john lally uh... who's also the drummer for rusty uh... took my speaking of the

we're in dreadlocks uh... ken was rocking those gas i i i think he got that from william i'm gonna say right now he's living in the the aforementioned Sudbury. He's a Sudbury guy now. Wow. Everything, everything ties together on this show.

It's unbelievable. And Mariah, I know you're like, you've been amazing. So Glenn, I'll say it now, right now, you've been amazing. Glenn of two N's, that's what I'm calling you now. You've been amazing. I'm not gonna let you leave till I finish all these questions, but a few more here. But, and funny thing is that I did Hamilton Mike,

and I got a couple more, a bunch of other M have chimed in like Mike from K-Dub who says, Hey, Toronto Mike, Glenn plays such a wide range of styles and genres. Can you ask him to talk a little bit about playing with Ian Blurden's future now? Him and Anna Ruddock were an unbelievable rhythm section for that show. So you have touched on this, but maybe Ian needs a bit more props. I don't know I'm a big I like Ian Blurden and all of his stuff but I got a lot of time for that guy. Like I just think Ian Blurden is one of those musical geniuses that you might be biking on I don't know the waterfront trail and there he goes. Like I've seen him biking on the waterfront trail.

I'm like Ian Blurden! Yeah that's him biking to his studio that's down on Poulsen. That's it. Poulsen yeah so he's always honest that's how he gets there on his folding bike. My kind of guy. Yeah yeah. My kind of guy. But so I don't know just in and maybe maybe we've said enough about the great Ian Blurden. Again everyone listening Wednesday I've got Ian and some other founding members of Change of Heart because they've made new music for the first time in 27 years. Yeah. And yeah, I'm on that Change of Heart record as well. Actually, I'm on four songs and then Damon Richardson, who's going to be playing the shows, is on four songs and then the original drummer Ron Duffy is on two songs on that record. Are you going to be at the Geary Street? I'm coming with my daughter, Willa, who's 26, and who was like, are you playing these shows

with Change of Heart? I'm obsessed with Change of Heart right now. And I'm like, what? You're obsessed with Change of Heart. And I was like, no. That's decline. Yeah, yeah. But I was like, I'll go with you.

So I'm going with my daughter on the Friday. Which night? Okay, I, oh, I can't remember now, but I'm going to one of those nights as well. Right, it's a Friday and a Saturday. Yeah, so I'm- Which one was added last? Do you remember? Maybe Friday, I think. Okay, but I'm going to one of those nights as well. Right. It's a Friday and a Saturday Yeah, so I'm which one was added last. Do you remember maybe I was a Friday. Okay, then I'm at the side I'm at whatever the first one announced. Yeah, I think the Saturday was the first one cuz because because Friday was the one that Ian said he could fit me in on so I assume that was the second one

Okay, but I'm amazing. Yeah, we could let's talk about Ian, because Ian's amazing, and I've known him for decades. He's one of the first people I knew when I came to Toronto, and I always liked Change of Heart. I remember, actually, the first time I heard of Change of Heart, it was in the record peddler, it was probably 1982, and the bass player came up to me. And actually, he was with the manager, Scratch Anderson. I think Scratch just thought I was cute and they saw me buying records or something and

they were like, hey, you know, we got this band called Change of Heart, you should listen to this cassette and they gave me this cassette. This is Rob Taylor? Rob Taylor and Scratch Anderson, who was their manager at the time. And they had this compilation cassette called Arming the Hand and it was like Change of Heart and a few other bands whose names are escaping me. But I remember really liking the Change of Heart songs and thinking, these guys sound kind of sound like Echo and the Bunny Man, man they're cool and so that was the first time I'd heard of Ian and Then I met him when I started playing in Toronto and and of course I played on smile and I also played him on

one of his solo Projects that he did their Tonya Blur Tonya that was it And then yeah, he, when he formed Future Now, he wanted to be a metal band and he wanted someone who could play double kick, like, you know, double pedals, and which is, which I did when I was on In Smile. So, yeah, he got me to play on the recordings and then, you know, be part of the band. And I love that band. And that's like, you know, pretty much a full on, we kind of call it proto metal. I think that's what he calls it. Like, it's, the style is

kind of based on like, more sort of early 80s British metal, like Iron Maiden, early maiden and priest and that sort of thing. But yeah, that band is an absolute joy to play in and Anerotic is incredible in it. She's one of my favorite bass players and one of my favorite people. And Aaron Goldstein, another pillar of the community, fantastic musician, a beautiful person, is the second guitaristist so like there's just nothing not to love About being in that band. It's and you know Ian's tunes are great It's definitely I'd say it's the second loudest band I've ever played in the loudest probably being Big Sugar Who I was in I played with briefly did like half a dozen shows with Big Sugar

And I think they were maybe the only band I think Gordy is like the only guy louder than Ian Blurton. He's got the two guitar necks okay. He had well a four 100 watt Marshalls. Okay I mentioned it's the old Mike show so there's another Mike Mike Doran Doran Duran I don't think I've ever said all that okay Duran Duran Duran Duran Duran right this is Mike Duran Duran okayuran Duran Duran right. This is Mike Duran Duran, okay I'm gonna read these names to you Carl Burns Simon Wollstone Croft or Kieran Melling Okay, so he's asking who my favorite Drummers are in the fall

Because one of the bands I plan is is mr. Pharmacist who are We are a fall cover band. A lot of people aren't familiar with the fall, but the fall are a band I've loved since I was about, I don't know, 17 or 18. A British independent band that formed in 1977 and lasted until Markie Smith, the singer, died a few years ago.

And they made something like 32 albums. And Carl Burns, first of all, who is the original drummer. And he's my favorite. He's a great drummer and really unique style, a hard hitting, super solid drummer. Though the other guys are great too. Kieran Melling was the last drummer, he's awesome. And Simon Wollstonecroft, who is known as Funky Psy,

by, he was kind of like the 90s drummer, as he's known as Funky Psy by Fall fans. They're all great, I like Funky Psy, but Carl Burns kind of set the template, so. And yeah, I'm a lifelong Fall fan and I love playing a Mr. Pharmacist. Well, there's a follow-up Fall question, which is, is there a Fall song

that Glenn would like to see Mr. Pharmacist play, but hasn't got it into the set list yet? Maybe, one I think of a lot is, maybe, I don't know, not Spectre versus Rector. I do have a fondness for sort of earlier fall stuff. So probably, probably New Face and Hell. We haven't done New Face and Hell and I like that one a lot. We should probably do that one of these days.

Okay, almost done here. Neil writes in, Greg Keeler and Jim Cuddy have been referred to as Canada's Lennon and McCartney. Are you Canada's Ringo? Why is the answer yes and why is that awesome? This is me. Unfortunately the answer is no. I'm not Canada's Ringo, but it would be awesome to be Canada's Ringo, but I'm just too different from Ringo as a drummer, though I love Ringo. And I'm, you know, there are people, there are drummers that are like, yeah, Ringo wasn't that great, but it's like, no, Ringo was great. Ringo came up with bitchin drum parts. And Ringo grooved hard.

And Ringo had a great sound, a sound that like many drummers, many, many drummers, including me, have emulated, you know, that sort of tea towel on the toms or on the snare thing. Like he was, I don't know if he was the first to do that, but he was absolutely the drummer that popularized that. And, um, and I've certainly done that a lot on Blue Rodeo records because of course Jim and Greg are huge Beatles fans And they absolutely pattern themselves after Lenin McCartney. That's why all Blue Rodeo songs are credited Keeler Cuddy Because of Lenin because of McCartney Lenin, you know, like Lenin McCartney, you know, they were like well, that's what they did

So that's what we're gonna do right and you know the way they sing together and you know The Beatles are always gonna be Jim and Greg's favorite band you know. But you know but I would love to I would not be averse to saying I'm Canada's Ringo Starr but I just I'm not I you know I've just played in too many other different types of bands and and and play too many different styles to sort of go I'm Ringo like Ringoingo is one of those drummers, I'm also just, I would love to be one of those drummers who's instantly recognizable. Another drummer like that, I think is Charlie Watts who I actually named my eldest son Charlie after Charlie Watts. I love Charlie Watts.

Charlie Watts is not technically a sounding drummer, but Charlie Watts has this instantly recognizable sound and feel, which I've always loved. I always loved how humble he was and that he was this stylish, quiet guy who just had this workman-like approach to his job and just played the songs. Nobody sounds like Charlie Watts. I would love to be one of those drummers like one of those instantly recognizable drummers but I'm not I'm I'm like kind of more of a chameleon you know well

Neil's asking about what you thought of another Neil Neil Peart Neil Peart I I love Neil here I went through and I was a huge Rush fan as a kid and I remember when A Farewell to Kings came out, CFMY played it in its entirety. It was in 1977 and they were like we're going to play the new Rush album in its entirety at such and such a time. And I remember listening to it and it blew my mind and I thought, I can't believe a band from Toronto made this record. Like this is like, yes, because I was a prog fan at the time. It was like, this is like, yes, or Janice or something, but they're from Toronto, I can't believe it. And I remember learning how to play the drums, that whole record, like playing along with that whole record. And then when I was about 15 and cast aside, as

I mentioned earlier, my love of prog, I was like, no, I don't like prog anymore. I like punk rock and post-punk and new wave. We didn't call it post-punk then. It was just like new wave and stuff and so then I literally, literally broke all my, like my brother and I, we literally smashed all our non-punk, non-New Wave records like idiots. But it was like, you know, we were doing this purge. And so then I was like, no, I don't like Rush anymore. It's too complicated. And Neil Peart doesn't groove and all that stuff.

And I kind of held that belief for decades until I saw the Rush documentary Beyond the Lighted Stage which was directed by Dale Heslip who also directed Lost Together, the Blue Rodeo. I don't know if we touched on it and I was gonna play off in a moment but that's an excellent documentary I thoroughly enjoyed Lost Together. Yeah oh thanks I enjoyed I enjoyed it too I also enjoyed it I enjoyed it. You needed more Boguski but otherwise it was pretty good. Yeah, well like I say, you know, they had to... He's in the band now!

He's in the band, but he's in there! He's in there! And he's been in there a long time. I think he might be the longest serving keyboardist. Maybe, or close. Yes, he is the longest serving keyboard player. He has been in the band 16 years now. Next to him was James Gray, he was 13 years. And then Bobby, he was 7 years. And then Bob Packard was 3. And you see him playing at the end, but I just thought maybe a little... He's got a little brief interview time in there, but yeah. But anyway...

Just looking out for my boy over here. Yeah, no, I hear you. I hear you. You're a fellow Etobicoke guy. It's like not enough Etobicoke in that. And West of Jane. West of Jane, yeah.icoke in that dog. And west of Jane. So yes, I, you know, Mike maybe, he was one of a few people that suffered from, in that dog. And that really comes down to lack of time. To be fair to Dale, Dale himself said, like, I wish I could do, I've done a four-parter like the hit did.

And he's making it for the masses. Yeah. Well, it's again, he's had 90 minutes, you know, and it's like, it's just tough to squeeze all that story in. But, um, but when I, my point about, we were talking about Neil Peart. So when I saw Beyond Delighted Stage, first of all, it renewed my respect for Rush. And then it also made me realize how many licks I play that are, that I still play that are Neil Peart looks. And I thought like, oh, here I am all these years going,

nah, Neil Peart, like he wasn't really my thing. And then realizing that there was still a lot of Neil Peart in my drumming DNA and that I have to give that man his due respect. Now, you know, we talk about Rush here, but were you a Triumph fan? No. Okay, only asking because Gilmore visits tomorrow. Yes, Gilmore very nice guy. I actually

got to play with Rick Emmett once with Andy Curran. We were, I guess Andy Curran and Soho 69 backed up Rick Emmett at a 80s Junos night at the horseshoe about 10 years ago. Rick Emmett's a wonderful musician and I absolutely respect those guys. But was I a fan of Triumph? No, I wasn't. What can I say? I don't want you to smoke a bass here. Yeah, absolutely. Okay, last two questions.

Although one's kind of a joke, Nellie, a question. But Movie Vigilante just said, ask them which band had more drummers, Blue Rodeo or Spinal Tap? And I'm just here to chime in that Pearl Jam has had more drummers than Blue Rodeo. That's all I'm here to say. Lots of them. Blue Rodeo only had three drummers Blue Rodeo or Spinal Tap and I'm just here to chime in that Pearl Jam has had more drummers in Blue Rodeo. That's all I'm here to say. Lots of them. Blue Rodeo only had three drummers so like Spinal Tap had more drummers come on. They were they were blowing up as I recall and they're

making a sequel to Spinal Tap. Oh thank God. It's finally here. Okay last question goes to Elephants and Stars. So hello to Manfred. Who is his favorite band for whom he did session work? So this is an impossible. Who is his favorite band for whom he did session work? So this is an impossible question, but is there a session work for elephants and the stars and stars is that the answer then? Right? That's a favorite band who I did session work for. Gosh, Manfred is crossing his fingers. Yeah. You know, I gosh. Yeah, you know, I played on a lot of sessions. I don't know. That's too hard to answer. There's been so many sessions and they're all very different. So I'm sorry I don't have an answer for that, I'm grateful for all the sessions thanks for hiring me think of me next time think of Glenn

when you're looking for a drummer okay Glenn Milcham man I gotta say thanks for all the years of music and for this great chat and for your work in Blue Rodeo the the nation thanks you and is there anything you were like on your way here and you said oh I gotta make sure I share this or tell this and then here I am wrapping you off. I don't want you to forget it. Like, is there something? that I'm really grateful, that the thing that I'm most grateful about being in that band is that it happens to be a band whose songs have touched people so much and I feel so lucky to be connected with that and being a part of that and I really did want to say that and thank you and just thanks to people for listening and I'm very grateful and feel very fortunate.

Rob Pruse is on the livestream and he says, speaking of drummers, did Glenn prefer Chris Partridge 1 or Chris Partridge 2? Oh, from the Partridge family. I'm going to say Chris Partridge 1 because when I was in grade 2, I was so into the Partridge family I signed my name Jeremy. I thought that maybe the original drummer was Jeremy or maybe it was the actor's name was Jeremy, but I wanted to be the drummer in the Partridge family so bad that I signed my school assignments as Jeremy.

So I'd say Chris Partridge won. And what's amazing is as I read that question from Rob Pruse, who was the keyboardist in Spoons and Honeymoon Suite, this version of Lois of the Lows, Rosie and Grey was performed by Rob Pruss. Everything in this show ties in. It's incredible. And that brings us to the end of our 166th show. That's a good number. You got 1,666. The neighbor of the beast, I think.

Yeah. Or the thousand addresses away. Yeah, you're a lucky son of a bitch. 1,000. Go to torontomike.com for all your Toronto Mike needs. Go see, if you haven't seen Blue Rodeo in concert yet, rectify that immediately. What a great live band Blue Rodeo is.

Yeah, you got to see Blue Rodeo. We got a show for Blue Rodeo is. Yeah, you gotta see Blue Rodeo. We gotta chill for Blue Rodeo here. It's a new up and coming indie band. They need some help here. Yeah, help us out. Much love to all who made this possible. Again, that's Great Lakes Brewery. Don't forget your beer. Palma Pasta, don't leave without your lasagna. Mineris, you've got your speaker. Silver Wax, you got a whole freaking kit. This is amazing. Silverwax.ca. Gonna get the kids to wax the car.

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