Toronto Mike'd: The Official Toronto Mike Podcast - Grunge Jams: Toronto Mike'd #710

Episode Date: August 21, 2020

This Pandemic Friday, Mike kicks out the best grunge jams with Stu Stone and Cam Gordon.

It's time now for Pandemic Fridays, starring Toronto Mike, Stu Stone, and Cam Gordon. I'm from Toronto where you wanna get city love I'm a Toronto Mike, wanna get city love My city love me back, for my city love Welcome to episode 710 of Toronto Miked A weekly podcast about anything and everything Proudly brought to you by Great Lakes Brewery A fiercely independent craft brewery who believes in supporting communities Good times and brewing amazing beer.

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and joining me for this 23rd Pandemic Friday is Stew Stone. Yes. Cam Gordon. Yeah, lucky number 23. By the way, happy birthday to Monica. Before we forget, like, you know, on her birthday. Did you think I was going to forget?

Yes. You never know. I just wanted to clear that up off the top. I know you guys spent some time together. Happy birthday to your wife. Happy birthday to, yes, to Monica. Mrs. Toronto Monica. Toronto Monica. Actually birthday to, yes, to Monica. Mrs. Toronto Monica. Toronto Monica.

Actually, she's Edmonton Monica. But, yeah. That explains a lot. Happy birthday, babe. Love ya. And we're going to have a little more of a party on Saturday. Is that going to be on Periscope? Yes. For the patrons? Yes, guys. Come on, guys. I'm. Is that going to be on Periscope? Yes.

Or is that for the patrons? Yes, guys. Come on, guys. I'm being very wholesome here. But yes, happy birthday, Monica. We're rolling around on Saturday night. It's impossible, guys. I really think it's impossible.

It's impossible to roll around? You've got to make time. To beat last week's Yacht Rock ep. Yeah. Here we are, 23rd week in a row. We're going to do our best to entertain the FOTMs. What did you guys think? What is the

afterthoughts on the Yacht Rock, which I got a lot of feedback, a lot of attention. I think that's going to be a signature episode, even though I called it Doc Rock about 10 times. Yeah, the feedback was great. A lot of good discussion. What is Yacht Rock?

People sharing their favorites. Some fun little graphics. They made the picture of us on the boat with the Doobie Brothers. People seemed to enjoy. We all brought some great tunes. And of course, stay tuned for the next, during the next pandemic, we'll do Yacht Rock 2.

Won't be long. Yeah, I wouldn't bet against it. But today we are going to kick out Grunge Jams. Absolutely. And when we get into it, I'll tell you the similarities I experienced. So, you know, the week before Yacht Rock, the kids being murdered nearby.

Sounds like it. I don't think the mics are picking that up. Austin Kiner over there? Yeah. I heard myself coming back there. I don't think the mics are picking that up. Austin Kightner over there? Yeah. I heard myself coming back there. I was just turning, yeah. But anyway, we'll get into it. I don't want to get into it off the top.

I want to talk about a few other things. I will read a quote from Levi Fumka when I announced we were going to kick out Grunge. I'm just taking a photo because you're dressed as Kurt Cobain. Maybe you should tilt your camera up a little bit because we're kind of getting like a Sharon Stone kind of shot of you right now. Hold on, everybody. You know this is an audio presentation.

I'm just saying for those that are watching live, live, live, live, there's a bit of a like, what are you going to do? Arrest me for smoking? That was such an iconic. How many of us paused that VHS cassette? Paused that scrambled Channel 54. Oh, you had it in scrambled? I had the box.

Yeah, Stu had the box. No, I know, but at some point I rented that thing from the local video store guy. But do you think in the history of VHS that maybe that's the most paused moment in the history of VHS? Could be. Quite possible.

What else would beat it? I know a lot of people, you don't need to pause the Fast Times at Ridgemont High because it's a whole sequence, right? But this is a moment. This is literally like a heartbeat. Yeah, like two, two and a half seconds, give or take. Interesting. You might be right about that.

I dare you to tell me what could beat it then. And that's, what's his name? Wayne Knight. That's Newman. Oh, what's his name? Wayne Knight. That's Newman. Oh, that's who's asking the questions. Yeah, Newman. Is he really?

That's Newman asking the questions. Wow, okay. I've actually never seen the... You haven't seen any movies that are popular?

My cousin Sharon was very good in that scene. Was that the inspiration for the name? Yes. I was named after Sharon Stone, my aunt. Okay, I've got to finish the quote from Lieve Funke. I was named after Sharon Stone, my aunt.

Okay, I got to finish the quote from Levi Fumka. Oh, there's a quote. Can you start it again? Because I don't remember how it started. Let me get a pen. Dear Mike, is this where you would give Barbara's number out? It's coming soon. That's on a wall.

Come on, you know the drill. I'm very hot. Can I tell you? I'm wearing this. Yeah, I'm wearing a cardigan because I wanted, I looked through my closet for a ragged cardigan like Kurt Cobain

wore in the unplugged. Like a thrift store. This is the only cardigan in the closet. It's not a bad one. Well, it's kind of too nice because the Kurt one was kind of ratty like it was I'm getting there. I just want to say, I'm very hot

so I don't know if I can make it the whole episode with this cardigan on but I'm going to do my best for the Periscope viewers. But Nive Phamka says when she learned that we were doing grunt she said, now this one and she put this in all caps, this one I can get behind. Let's burn

down the yachts. Whoa. Okay. Just to set the tone yachts. Whoa. Okay. That's just to set the tone for today. So some people, I think some people are like, yay on the yacht rock and others were like, I think that the yacht rock was eyeopening.

It was, uh, the music was spectacular and, uh, you know, there's just so much more out there. I mean, we just basically scratched the surface.

Really? Tip of the iceberg. I felt I exhausted. Like all the rock songs I liked were played last week. I intend to prove you wrong someday. But we'll get to a sequel. I still do take issue with Roxy Music, Avalon off the top. I take issue to that as well.

Whoever did that is disgusting. Yeah, who chose that one? That was me. Did you do that as well. Whoever did that is... Disgusting. Yeah, who chose that one? That was me. Did you see... I know. Who was it? Brother Neal. Was it Brother Neal?

No, Brother Bill. Brother Bill. And he said like Brian Ferry would be offended and stuff. And he would. He and Andrew Stokely, they both think they went to Twitter right away to voice their disgust. Yeah. That he would think Roxy music was gotx. Although Andrew Ridgely said that he liked

him. Well, you know, last Christmas. Absolutely. Okay, so I'm going to play as you guys know, and I hope people listening know about this. Is this Barb's number? No, hold on. Stay tuned. Listen, this is important. As you know, I've done several volumes of FOTM KOTJs,

which means anybody listening could record themselves talking about a song for 30 to 60 seconds. Email me the audio file, and you'll be a part of these compilations. I think there's been like 15 of them. More than Master T did of his Much Music Mixes. Speaking of Roxy. All right, beautiful people.

That's right, and that was named after his wife. It was named after Roxy Music Mixes? Yeah. No, it's his wife, Roxy. I think it's a coincidence. But I'm going to play a clip from a gentleman named Terry. Oh, Terrence. Terry.

Terrence. Terry submitted this. I think you guys, well, I know I sent it to you. See if I heard it. But here, let's listen to Terry's F-O-T-M-K-O-T-J submission. Here we go. Terry Beaulieu. Hey, all.

Stu Stone here. First of all, I'd like to shout out all the FOSSs out there. I'd like to kick out a jam. This is a jam. It's one of my all-time favorites, and it elicits wonderful memories. I'll dedicate it to Linda and Cambrio. So this is Metallica, Hero of the Day. Enjoy it.

Is this a joke? He talked over the tag at the day. Enjoy it. Is this a joke? Yeah. He talked over the tag at the end. That's the first, the best Stu Stone impression I've ever heard on this show. Yeah, that was weak. Who was that?

Was that like Elvis? No, no, no. Who was that? Straight up some guy named Terry. Well, Terry did a great job. I think it's a real deal. He is a friend of Stu Stone guys. He is a Foss. That wasn't Elvis, just for the record. That was not Elvis.

No one I know. I actually believe that to be a guy named Terry. Well, I like Terry. I didn't recognize a voice. That's my dog. Shout out to Terry. Anyway, he was breaking my jaw. Terrible song that he picked there, though. Well, at the end, I think at the end when Cam was talking. Do you guys remember Ray Foss?

No, Roy Foss, like the car dealership. You mean like Fosse Verde? I think Ray Foss was the catcher that Pete Rose famously bowled over in the All-Star game. I think that was Ray Foss. Yeah, there's also Roy Foss, the used car dealer. Pre-owned. Pre-owned. And there's like Bob Fosse.

He's the choreographer. Choreographer. All Fosses. Foss Funk. Right, right, right. Dory Funk Jroreographer. All Fosses. Foss Funk. Right, right, right. Dory Funk Jr. Yeah. All right.

Okay, hold on. Farrah Fawcett. Are you two watching or following the Raptors? Of course. I've heard of them. Yeah. Of course. They've been very good.

They didn't cover the spread yesterday, but they've been doing very well. They've only lost one game since entering the bubble, so hopefully that continues. 2-0 in the series. It was a tough one the other day, but we pulled it out. I've got to say, the Nets are seriously undermanned. I mean, their three best guys are not even there. Scrappy, though. Scrappy, sure.

Big Joe Harris guy. Can I read to you guys an email from a woman named Nancy? It's your show. So shout out to Nancy, who I believe will be listening to us right now. So I'm going to read this. Hello, Nancy. I got this email four days ago. Hello, Mike.

I thought you might be interested in one of your newer listeners. I am 66 years old and you are the first and only podcast I listen to. Oh, wow. I started listening this spring as part of my walking rehab, a broken foot after a motor scooter accident in Thailand. I was hit on a bike. No, I was hit on a hike, bike and kayak trick trip. Your kind of adventure. I was forced to walk a shorter and slower pace than my usual routine. And with COVID and work from home, I was forced to walk alone. I have no idea how I found you, but I have probably listened to you about 80 episodes.

I grew up in Kitchener, listening to Chime, but had little interest in music or bands except for the Carpenters, and lived in the U.S. from 1976 to 1985, moving to Newmarket. I think the watch guy lives there. That's Milan Tilsini, by the way. Oh, there you go. You mentioned Mike to get a discount on your battery. I did commute to Toronto for seven years while

listening to Roger, Rick and Marilyn and Roger Darren and Marilyn and I still do. Of course I'm their demo. Anyway, she goes on, but it's the loveliest note. At the end she says she's going to take her grandchildren to Pumpkins After Dark. She said that she's going to take a road trip to buy Great Lakes beer

and Palma P pasta lasagna. And the beer is for the kids too, right? Beer is for the kids too, absolutely. She's European. She's been to Thailand. I just want to say hi to Nancy because it was the nicest thing. You know what she was probably doing in Thailand? Ping pong gal.

She references, she talks about all the things she likes about the show. Yes. And one of the things she says is debates talks about all the things she likes about the show yes and one of the things she says is uh debates she likes the debates and she put in parentheses is chess a sport yes question mark right that old that old chess not a sport yeah pro wrestling a sport so shout out to nancy i think the word sport is in sports entertainment yeah well i was gonna say well did she like it because like one night in Bangkok, speaking of Thailand,

I mean, you say it's about chess, like this all kind of ties together. It's not I say it. It is about chess. Great sport. Yeah, the game of chess. My point, not to revisit. Board game, yeah.

You play with boards. Not to revisit the argument. My argument remains that chess is more of a sport than WWE. That's all. No, no, no. I stand by that. I don't a sport than WWE. That's all. No, no, no. I stand by that. I don't want to get it.

Like, that was April. Like, this is August. That's how long the pandemic has been going. Like, Ozzy, that debate was a ray of light in, like, the worst moments of the year, like, in April, this pandemic. Like, really. Can we talk for a moment here about Mark Weisblot? Yes. Always, yes.

Do we all know who Mark Weisblot is? Of course. For those that don't. He's behind the 1236 newsletter. Stu's very good at setting up plugs. He's like a professional. First time listener, first time caller. There's a photo of Mark Weisblot with Mike Boone and Stu Eisenstein and Cam Gordon and Hepsi.

Oh, from TMLX. Speaking of iconic photos. Those are all the real names. I got confused. You went government there. Charles Cameron Gordon. Are you the CRA? We're going to get to that. Mark was pointing out that

you can see this. He reminded me of a wonderful conversation we had last week about Stu Stone making out with Rosanna Arquette. This was because I kicked out Toto's Rosanna. Right. Big hit.

That was a big hit. Big close. You went five for five. Yeah. I went five for five. Let's see if you can go ten for ten. I'm going to try.

But we opened weak, Cam, and then we finished strong, I think, last week, for sure. But the movie, this is interesting. I have a few things to say about it. So Wiseplot said, hey, you know,

oh, you can see that scene on YouTube. Like, there's the whole scene of Stu Stone and making out with Rosanna Arquette. Balthazar Arquette, he's eating shotgun. Yes, that's right. You might remember.

You were in the damn movie. So a couple of things. One is that this movie is called Fea Complete. So a couple of things. One is that this movie is called Faye-a-Complete. Stop saying that out loud. Is that the movie that my neighbor watched? The guy that direct... No, it's not.

The guy that directed that movie was the cinematographer for Pulp Fiction. That explains... I don't know if it explains that, but Michael Madsen is in this movie. When is this from? Late 90s? I got my first visa in, my second visa. My first one was doing a show called The Tick.

The second one was for this movie. This is what allowed me to get a green card was that I did that movie. Okay. So firstly, so it was, was it released as Faye? No,

it was released as Voodoo Don. That's what I noticed. It's been, at first I thought it was one of those straight to video titles that probably has seven different names, depending on where it was sold. there is another Voodoo Don. That's what I noticed. It's one of those straight-to-video titles that probably has seven different names, depending on where it was sold. Yeah, there is another Voodoo Don that was released in, like, 1990.

I feel like that was a well-known movie, Voodoo Don. Our version wasn't. No, no, the other one. Fun fact, Phil Glasser, who's in the movie as well, he's the voice of Fievel the Mouse in the American Tail movie, and he is, like, I think that's his, like, first leading role on camera ever was that. But do you realize that, I mean, of course you do, but you were in a big movie with Chris Penn.

Yes. And a big movie with Michael Madsen. Yeah. You're actually collecting all the dogs. The dogs. Yeah. Have you worked with any other reservoir dog? Buscemi?

No. Buscemi? No. Trees Lounge? Did you have a Cammy? No. No. No. The answer is no. Tim Roth?

No. Okay. So, in fact, while we talk about this, I'm going to play it. I'm going to play just... I'm going to play it. Oh, please. Why do you got to do that? Come on, man.

Just in the background. This is like... Let it breathe. Look at... Every week, this guy, like... He's tongue-t's tongue tied like this does not happen I love this I'm not I just like it's embarrassing shout out to at 1236 on Twitter

how did he find this that's what he does see Cam knows he listens here we go oh god nice to meet you so it's kind of a creepy scene. Yeah, I'm a ghost.

You're a ghost. You're the dead brother? The dead brother of Balthazar Getty. Right. Where are you headed, Nick? What? Funny you should ask that. Initially, I was heading in one direction.

Ended up someplace completely different. Whatever happened to you? It's raining to set the tone. I know exactly what you mean. Raining on the car. I'm soaking wet. It's like solitude. Oh, my god.

The smooch is going to come here shortly. Had a promo. I was going to say, had your voice front? No. No, okay. Still doing Magic School Bus at this point. Wow. Still doing Magic School Bus at this point, sure. That's me. How will you know when you get out? I always know.

I mean, AJ, he don't know what the fuck he's doing. Wow. I'm a wayfaring, traveling type of guy. Oh, my God. Pretty good acting, right? Yeah. It's a different stewstone. Here, I'll bring it down because I know you're...

I'm sorry. Whoa. Did the smooch happen? How nice. Yeah, the smooch happened. Okay, so that's kind of the reason I'm playing it, is that Wiseblood says when he listened to you talk about the smooch happened Okay, so that's kind of the reason I'm playing it Is that Wiseblood says When he listened to you talk about the smooch

You made it sound like a romantic smooch No, it wasn't It was a very brief Well, when you do it ten times You know, it adds up It's the little thing You know, 20 nickels is a dollar Yeah

And what, Mike, is this like a YouTube link? Or is this like from Mr. Skin? No, no, no. There's no nudity in this, thank goodness. I've never played a character in my entire career that has had a romantic scene. So this is my only on-screen kiss that I've ever had. With Patricia Arquette. Rosanna Arquette.

Rosanna Arquette, right. Yeah, because remember how young... Patricia was in the trailer. Right. Remember how young Stu is when Arquette, right. Yeah, because remember how young... Patricia was in the trailer. Right. Remember how young Stu is when he was in the trailer. Yeah, no, that's... She's kissing a baby. Older woman.

Yeah. Big time, big time. Okay, so I just wanted to talk that the kiss is out there if you go hunting. Whoa. So the full Stu Stone scene from Fate... Fate Accompli? Do you need the T silent? Well, that's an expression, like a figure of speech.

Fete Accompli. Right. You know. Stop. Voodoo Don. Yeah, Voodoo Don. I don't recommend the film, by the way. The clip, sure, watch it if you want to have a laugh,

but the film is not very... It doesn't hold up. David Drolet tweeted... Wait, before you say that, can we talk about one other thing? Because he tweeted a photo that he had. Oh, Wiseblood. Yeah.

I mean, this guy is shocking the hell out of me. First of all, I've tried to reach out to him on direct message on the Twitter machine, but he doesn't check those because he doesn't follow anybody, so it's hard to sort of interact with him online, but I did send him a private note thanking him, uh, for the, uh, just for, you know, being such a lovely man. But, uh, I was shocked that he tweeted a photo of the Jamie Kennedy, Sue Stone album blowing up. He has the CD. How did like, that's insane that he has

that. And he has the Canadian version because he says he has the French. But we dubbed over all the raps in French as well. Cam, should we tell Stu what he's missing by not tuning in to the early appearances? Just because he's a guy that knows everything, it doesn't mean that he would have that.

How would he have that? He'd find a way. This sounds like someone who's like Brian Linehan. How did find a way. This sounds like someone who liked Brian Linehan. How did you know that? You know, back in like 85, that was kind of his shtick. Of course. I modeled my whole Toronto Mike career after Brian Linehan.

Absolutely. So Wisebutt will enjoy all these multiple shoutouts. He's the man. And yeah, that was a great photo of your CD with Jamie Kennedy. I noticed Jamie Kennedy's font size is a lot bigger than Stu Stone, but at least you're on the cover. Well, his is like 24 and mine is 18. Would Bob Saget take your call?

Sure. Today, I mean. I mean, it's not going to happen right now, but I think he would. Can you text Bob to see if he can get Bob Saget? The last time I reached out to Bob was for my nephew's bar mitzvah, which was last year, and I asked Bob, could he do a video like a video greeting? video cameo type thing sure

but this is i guess this is like legit though did he do it of course he wrote me back right away he sent a lovely video that was like way longer and way more than i could have ever why didn't you do that for monica's birthday i didn't watch yeah i didn't think of it i think you can only use that favor like once i don't think it's once a year. Cash that in. Hey, Bob, it's me again. Can you send a video this time for Monica? Yeah, it's Farbsy's birthday. Shout out to Kareem.

Can you say hello? Oh, yeah, I'm going to find out when his birthday is. Mike has a new neighbor. Past the duchy. Now, you dropped a little bomb on me. This is after somebody tweeted a Robin Hood flower ad. Yes. That you're in. Yes.

By the way, I'm so blown away every week at the amazing stuff I find out you were in. Like just so many things in the last week alone. But I remember vividly, I remember this ad. But there's another. The Robin Hood baking soda ad? Yeah, I remember. It was kind of a bowling theme. Well, the one, okay.

The ad that got tweeted last week that I remember the most was the Kraft Dinner ad. Yeah, that was a big one. That was huge for me. And I just tell him, Monica, I'm like, I remember this ad so well as a kid and I can't, I can't fucking believe that cute kid at the end. Yeah. The Kraft Dinner kid.

It's Stu Stone. And you know, ironically, the guy who plays my dad in that video, in that commercial is Zach Small's uncle. How about that for Small World really isn't Zach and Farbs here related no they're just friends they're just friends the Kraft macaroni and cheese commercial

I love my Kraft dinner with my dad it ran for years and that was like the biggest thing that and I had been in movies and other things before that but that at school that changed my whole life at school people would walk up and say my dad like that was like i became the catchphrase and until my pet monster came around when i was chucky that was the most famous thing and then it became chucky i feel like that craft dinner ad was uh what was it like life cereal

mikey he likes it like sort of influenced by that I feel like you know in in that what's the only line of dialogue in the uh in this in the spot yeah but Mike imagine you could tell yourself like in 84 or whenever like hey I'm you from the future you're gonna have that kid in a backyard in South Etobicoke in like 35 years and by computers you're gonna be broadcasting like okay first of all first of all, that's amazing. But if you want to play that game, you can do that all over the place. Like, oh, I'm watching Sportsline as a teenager.

Oh, that guy's going to be... That's true. And then I could do it all over. But don't discredit what he said. It's pretty exciting that I'm here. I'm not discrediting Stu Stone. He was in Heavenly Bodies. He was in Fait-a-Compli.

Oh, my God. I do have memories of that commercial. And we had to eat so much, you know, mac and cheese, but they had, like, a garbage can next to me so I could eat it and spit it out right immediately. Was it shoot mac and cheese? Yes. Or work in mac and cheese? Hold on. Before I get lost in all this, because we have to actually kick out Grunge Jam.

Yeah, Grunge. So the Robin Hood flower ad reminded me of Just Like Mom. Yes. Good show. And then via Twitter. Cam, you ever heard of Twitter? It's pretty Mom. Yes, good show. And then via Twitter, Cam, you ever heard of Twitter? It's pretty good. Stu drops this little nugget that

he tells me the story about you and Fergie Oliver. Yeah, Fergie Oliver. So Fergie Oliver, who was the host of Just Like Mom, he lived on my street. My sister and I wanted to get on to Just Like mom so badly he was also affiliated with the blue jays at that point of course yes yes cfto uh telecast he was already

like sort of a celebrity to us because he was on tv for the jays how about those blue jays was that his catch how about those blue jays uh anyway uh what happened was uh we would go to his uh house and we would just sort of wait to see if he would ever show up. Just kind of lurk about. We left a letter in his mailbox. We drew pictures for him, but he never reached out

and I was never on the show. So it was kind of a letdown. Wait, where? You know, Wiseblood himself was on Just Like Mom. He was. Why does he deny it, though? Like know, Weisblot himself was on Just Like Mom. He was. Why does he deny it, though? Like, that's clearly him.

Like, come on. I don't deny that. When's he back? Like, he's back in, what, a week or half or something? He's back on September 2nd. Like, Mike, you say you're, like, real talk. I mean, I think it's almost, like, conditional. Do you want me to beat him up for that one?

Okay. Yeah, I just want to, like, come clean. I do like real talk. Yeah, it's nothing to be ashamed of. Okay. I mean, I admitted I's almost like conditional. Do you want me to beat him up for that one? Okay. Yeah, I just want to come clean. I do like real talk. Yeah, it's nothing to be ashamed of. Okay. I mean, I admitted I was in fait accompli. And Heavenly Bodies, can you tell me a bit about, is that, like, I mean. Why, do you have a clip or something that you're going to go through here?

Oh, he does. I'm tired. Oh, Jesus. Don't you think you've had enough? It's late. Just a bit more. Okay, darling. Oh, Jesus. Don't you think you've had enough? It's late. Just a bit more. Okay, Mom? Cynthia Dale from Street Legal is the mom.

Now, let's fetch the guns and things, said Huck. No, Huck, leave them there. They're just the tricks that we have to go to robbing. We'll keep them there all the time and we'll hold our oar. Oh, I like this theme. Mom, how do you say O-R-G-I-E-S? What? What are you reading?

Tom Sawyer. Hilarious. So, yes, there you go. Now, how do you say that word? So how old are you? I'm about 17 here. No, probably like five years old, four years old. You know, I could do this all day.

Like, we'll skip the grunge and do it another day. I could just do this all day. Okay, so Heavenly Bodies. That's a great scene where you're trying to... Yeah, it's an 80s classic. Atlantis, one of their first major releases. Featuring the music of the Boys Brigade

and Malcolm Byrne that we counted down a few weeks ago. Okay, been a lot of stew today. I feel like Cam is a bit left out. Yeah, I have some Cam stews. Okay, do you want to go? Because I have some Cam stuff too. No, you go first. Stan. Who the fuck is Stan? Cam.

Would you consider changing your name to Stan? Cam. You talked to your dad about Yacht Rock. Can you share this story, please, with us? Yeah. So we, you know, I, you know, like some people I've been seeing my parents a bit more. It sounds like counterproductive. It's a pandemic.

I've been seeing my parents a bit more. It sounds like counterproductive. It's like, oh, it's a pandemic. I've been seeing my parents more. But because they have a pool, we can hang out in the backyard. And, you know, quite often we'll talk about the last episode. You know, what were you and Mike and Stu? Because they know Stu from back in the day. So they think that's fun. Hang out with my high school pals. And yeah, I could be imagining this.

But like we were just talking about all the songs. And I was playing him some of the Steely Dan and the Doobie Brothers. I played the Gino Vannelli song. And again, I could be imagining this, but we were just talking about all the songs, and I was playing him some of the Steely Dan and the Doobie Brothers, and I played the Gino Vannelli song. And again, I could be remembering this wrong, but I think he said, I hate this song or I effing hate this song. He had a strong reaction to it. He was really not a fan. I just want to stop.

I just want to stop by Gino Vannelli. And I did show him the photo of you and Gino Vannelli. My dad's like, yeah, that's Gino Vanelli. That's his chest hair. Yeah, but like I was talking to my sister about it. Like she was there and then talk about how, what's his brother, Ross? Yeah, yes, Ross.

Yeah, so yeah. I mean, we do like a weekly like Gordon family recap of Pandemic Fridays up in Thorndale. Shout out to the Gordon family. Yeah. I love that. Like I just love that. to the Gordon family. Yeah. I love that. Like, I just love that. Just a loving family.

Absolutely. His father, I wouldn't peg his father, pun intended, I guess for several reasons, but Steely Dan namely. Yeah. I wouldn't peg his father as someone who would drop an F-bomb. No, not really.

And yeah, like in music-wise, like he's more like, I think like Neil Diamond, Queen, big Pogues guy too though. Really? Yeah. Oh, that's more like, I think, like Neil Diamond, Queen. Big Pogues guy, too, though. Really? Oh, that's a good Dublin band. I like some Pogues. Barbra Streisand. Babs.

Yeah. Good for him. All the greats. No one really likes Pandemic Fridays. Now, I think I started, I think I said the name David Drolet and never got to the tweet. What happened to David Drolet? Double D. This is what he tweeted today.

And I'm going to crack open. I have a haze mama. Haze mama from Great Lakes Beer. What are you cracking open there, Kim? I've got that. Like every week, it's the octopus. Did you crack it open already? Yes.

Okay. I have something to crack open as well. What do you got there, Steve? I have a peach Snapple. Oh, because it's a grunge episode. Yes. I love that. Okay.

Oh, yeah. Make sure we talk about the figure on the table, too. But here, you go first. Dude, is it correct? I got a text from the boys. Oh, that's not as good as the glass. Yeah, I'm going to beat that with my haze mama from Great Lakes. What a sound. Wow.

Okay, so thank you, Great Lakes. I just did a pickup yesterday and while I drank this David Drolet tweeted hope pandemic Friday will be on Periscope tonight because my bootlegger buddy Quebec Irish boy

a long time Toronto Mike fan got me some Great Legs beer to have a virtual happy hour with you guys. So as we're talking here at the TMDS Backyard Studio, just remember, there are people all over this great land. I was going to say, what do we know about this Quebec Irish boy? Like, great handle, too.

And I don't even know how you get, like, Great Lakes in Quebec, but he managed it. Shout out to Kevin in Alberta, who said he picked up some Great Lakes, and he's in Alberta. So, I don't know what's going on. Are you selling this out of your basement? Is that why we haven't been given a six-pack in a long time? Is that true? I can only speak for myself.

I think that's accurate. All that beer on the table is all yours, as you know. You definitely got a palm of pasta lasagna last week. Tell me about the figurine before we get to you know. And you definitely got a palm of pasta lasagna last year. Kamala belongs to us. Tell me about the figurine before we get to the grunge. Well, this is not a figurine, Mike. This is an LJN WWF superstar

action figure, Kamala, who passed away a week ago. We gave him a tribute, but here he is in LJN rubber figure form, just paying tribute to the man, the myth, the legend, Kamala, not to be confused with potential future vice president Kamala. Kamala.

This is Kamala. Who I was watching last night. And this one I remember was one of the heavier. I mean, sort of true to form, because I think the actual Kamala was, what, 400, big 400 pounder. Sort of like a King Kong Bundy. Yeah, the Bundy was like really heavy. Kamala was really heavy.

Big John Studd. Oh, Andre the Giant. Andre the Giant, yeah, of course. But this one, that could be weaponized. The lightest might have been Leapy Lanny Poffo. Would that be the lightest? I don't know. He didn't have a figure.

Did he have one? No, unfortunately not. Maybe the Dynamite Kid. I was going to say Mean Gene. The referee. Yeah, Dynamite Kid. I was going to say Mean Gene. The referee. Yeah, Dynamite Kid. Jimmy Hart. Jimmy Hart, yeah.

But you had the megaphone. Or Elizabeth. But she was like a different... She was hard plastic. It wasn't rubber. She sure was. Okay, so anyway. I want to get to the grunge here.

We've lost all of our listeners. We've lost all of our listeners here. But since you're enjoying your Great Lakes there and you're going to take some home with you, and of course, Palma Pasta, did you guys enjoy your lasagna from last week? I did. My mother also is looking forward to more Palma Pasta.

Did she watch us last week? She did. Well, that's exciting. Is she watching this week? I haven't sent it to her, but I could. You want to do that while I shout out some other wonderful Toronto Mike partners? Sure, sure.

Absolutely. Are you going to give Barb's number out now? Yeah, let's do that right now. Barb Paluskiewicz. Thank God. Yeah. Talk to Barb. Get the free network assessment. Talk to Barb Paluskiewicz by calling her at 905-542-9759. Now that's if you want, I should point out, what do they do at CDN Technologies? They're your outsourced IT department. So if you have any computer or network issues or questions, you call Barb or go to cdntechnologies.com and you can submit a form there. Thank you, Barb. GarbageDay.com slash Toronto Mike.

That's where you get the garbage day. You sign up for the garbage day notifications. Just the other day, Stephen Del Duca told me he's going home. He was going home to do that. Leader of the Ontario Liberal Party is a big garbage day. That's who that is? Yeah, that's the guy. He took over for Kathleen Wynne.

Did he take the pasta and the beer home? Can he do that? Real talk. Real talk is uh he kindly uh declined the gift okay and i don't know a lot to accept a bribe i was gonna well i was gonna say yeah there's there's rules about these so i can i can say for certain uh and again he if he wanted some of course i would have given it to him but he did he did not he left empty-handed i think he might have taken

the sticker u.com sticker, the Toronto Mites sticker. But I think that might be different. Next time I'm at Queen's Park, I'll keep my eyes peeled. If only you knew somebody who covered Queen's Park. I know. Never down there. I want to shout out stickeru, though. Go to stickeru.com to get your stickers and such.

And if you're looking to buy and or sell in the next six months, you want to talk to Austin Keitner from the Keitner Group, you can text Trotter Mike to 59559 to engage Austin. He's a great guy. Is that how you engage him?

That's how you engage him. Pumpkins after dark. Easier than Wiseblood. A moment here. You know, I'll give you his Gmail address if you like. I prefer to make him work for it. This is important parents particularly uh halloween's gonna be a bit fucked up this year like whoa that's like cam's dad are you going uh are you who is it who didn't

like me swearing he said it was like mr rogers swearing i don't know especially in that cardigan you know i'm so hot right now like i might I might pass out. If I pass out, just keep going on without me. That's fine. Just sing the song. Yeah. Just sing the fucking songs. Okay. Okay.

That's it. I don't want to go blue because I don't think Nancy likes it. She turned off an episode with Elvis because he swore too much. So I'm going to stop swearing. It's so Elvis. Yeah. But I do want to just say that if you go to pumpkinsafterdark.com, you can read about this drive-thru event in Milton, Ontario. It'll be can read about this drive-through event in Milton, Ontario.

It'll be great. Nancy's taking her grandkids. It's in Milton? Milton, Ontario. That's the first time you've mentioned that to us. Is that true? Yes. I feel like I mentioned that.

I thought it was like a city hall or something. What is this? You've got to have kilometers to drive. That's a road trip. Milton's got some great, you know, that's where you go to like. Where's Milton? Pick apples and stuff. It's near like Orangeville. It's not far, uh, where's Milton pick apples and stuff. Like,

like Orangeville. It's not far Milton. It's probably a scary thing up in Milton. Yeah. That's part of the, yeah. Cause there's like farmland and stuff. If you thought that scene from fatal complete was scary.

I mean, pumpkins. I want to know the name of the movie that, uh, last week cream said he watched because I didn't catch the name, but I saw Stu's reaction. It wasn't a good reaction and he was ashamed. I told you I'm ashamed of a lot of

things that I've been. There's only like maybe three or four good ones. You do it for the love. For the money. No, definitely not. You do it for the love. I think you mix it up. Everything is for love. Everything is for love.

Other than Donnie Darko, what is the one thing you've done? I'm talking movies. I'm not talking all the great TV you've done. But other than movies and other than Donnie, of the movies, excluding Donnie Darko, what is the one thing you're the most proud of? Well, Jack of All Trades, obviously, is a good title. But the new movie that is coming out in October,

I'm very proud of. And that's still, I'm not going to spoil it. I've seen the trailer movie that is coming out in October is, I'm very proud of. And that's still, I'm not going to spoil, I've seen the trailer. It's coming out October. Have you seen the trailer? I have seen the trailer. Monica's seen the trailer too.

Is that okay? Yes. October the 14th is when it's going to come out. October 14th. But when can you talk about it? Like drop a title. Soon, like September.

As soon as September rolls around, we're going to be yapping like nonstop about it. Okay, I've given you feedback. I saw the trailer and I haven't said a word in public about it because I want you to trust me that you can keep sharing these things with me. I'll say

as someone who's known Stu for like 30 years now, I watch the trailer and I'm like I want to see what this is. Like it really left me wanting more. I'm almost like, we need to stop talking about it. I don't want to say too much. Yeah, we can't talk about it, but it's going to be fantastic. All the FOTNs.

And I can say there are Great Lakes beer cans in this movie. Yes, that is true. Is Kamala in the movie? No. Is Kamala in the movie? I hope. Kamala's got, not Kamala. Kamala, there's a lot of talk about the African stereotype,

and there's a lot of negative. Well, there shouldn't be. It was a different time, and he was a character, you know, a monster character. I didn't look, maybe it is inappropriate now in 2020. Let's point out, he's American, right? Okay, but like when we were kids, I didn't see that character and think anything racist of it.

I didn't even know that it was, you know what I mean? Did you? Well, again, like we were like nine. character and think anything racist of it i didn't even know that it was you know what i mean did you well again like i would like we were like nine so like i i would say like it was a different time and i well there was interviews with him too where he i think he said like he didn't he just kind of went with it because it was it was a gig and he was also like you know he drove trucks he was so good at it though yeah and apparently just like a real sweetheart too for like a guy who played like a savage there is that sad there is that stereotype of the savage african well i don't know i guess there is now obviously you think about that nowadays it is incredibly inappropriate but in 1985 like i my brain

didn't work like that yet i hadn't been i, I didn't, never saw anything like it. I believed that he really was a monster. And he's one of the few guys that worked on top, they call it, you know, main event with Andre,

with Hogan, and with Undertaker. Yeah. So that's pretty cool. There's a good article on theringer.com, kind of the life and times of James,

Jim, Jim Harris, James Harris, who was the man who played Kamala. I feel like we talked about this last week. Yeah, I think we did. We didn't talk about the problematic on Twitter. We didn't talk about that. But that article talks a lot about just the

pay inequality too. Like he's fighting Undertaker in 1992 at SummerSlam and like Taker's taking home like a quarter million dollars or whatever it is and Kamala's like five grand. Plus he has to fly his own way to the UK. Wow. Wow. Okay, before I

forget to say it, I want to say that you can save money on the Pumpkins After Dark tickets if you use the promo code TRONOMIKE. That's important. Use the promo code TRONOMIKE. And I mean always work and share but this Hayes Mama is fantastic. So this is a New England IPA and it's

available year round from Great Lakes and it's fantastic. Let's talk grunge. You guys ready? Yeah. You didn't give out Barb's number. I did so. Before we do the grunge thing, I wore like a special attire. What are you wearing, Stu? I know you can see my Seattle Seahawks

Sports Illustrated jacket. Oh, is this time for the reveal? Yeah. I'm excited. I want to see what this is. So if you're watching on Periscope, you can see this. Because if you're listening in the podcast, you've got to go to Periscope to see this. I'm going to get the side, the alternate angle.

I don't know if you're going to want this. It's kind of an exciting thing here. No, you've got to move the shock mount, not the actual mic. Okay. So you know the case that the mic's in? Yeah. Okay. You ready? know, the case that the mic's in. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. You ready?

Yeah, go for it. Stu is unzipping his jacket. Play the Rick Rude theme music. Oh, my goodness. Oh, boy. The Rain Man. Sean Kemp jersey. Wow.

Seattle Sonics, circa 90s. Wow. Because we are about to take a trip. That was a great team, too. Yes. Deadlift Shrimp. Rain Man. So, we are about to take a trip. That was a great team, too. Yes. Deadlift Shrimp. Rain Man. So we were about to take a trip.

I know that was exciting for you guys. And shout out to Hebsey. I know he'll dig it. That was good. But, yeah. I can't believe there's no team in Seattle anymore. What was it? The Kraken.

They're the Thunder. The 92 finals, I feel like they were in. Yeah. The first Jordan finals, was it not? Am I imagining? No, the first one was the Lakers, I guess. Lakers. Didn't they lose?

Oh, I don't remember. I feel like it was Lakers, Sonic, Suns. Then he retires. And then it was Jazz Jazz and somebody else. Portland Trailblazers. Jazz Jazz. There's no other. Yeah.

There was a Trailblazers in there. Clyde Rexler. Yeah. Yeah. Jailblazers. Absolutely. Jailblazers. Absolutely, Jailblazers. Very cool, Stewstone. What are you wearing today, Cam?

Well, we talked about wearing flannel. Interesting we're doing grunge, no one's wearing flannel. I pulled out the Sonic Youth t-shirt, although not a grunge band. But an influence. Grunge bands were heavily influenced. That's not a grunge band?

I think bands like Nirvana were heavily influenced. I consider them to be part of that grunge team. Well, certainly, this is the album cover. It's on the sleeve here, Dirty, which is an album they put out in 1992. Really the height of the grunge era. What is grunge? Let's start with you, Stu. What is grunge? Baby, don't hurt me no more.

I would say that it is, you know, everything's got to be put into a bucket in the music business for some reason, and grunge became sort of the buzz way to describe the style of music that was taking over the airwaves. And Seattle, you know, every city has its time to shine. And hip-hop, you saw, like Atlanta was very popular.

Houston had a scene. Toronto had a scene. This was Seattle's time to shine. And if you were a band that was even from Seattle, you were getting a record deal at this point. There were bands that would travel from outside of Seattle to Seattle to get signed. They would leave Hollywood to go to Seattle to get record deals. get signed. They would leave Hollywood to go to Seattle to get record deals. So Seattle was the sort of birth of this movement of rock that used, it was a little bit edgier than your

hairband rock and roll that was going on at the time. I think if you sort of look at the evolution and you go from like Poison to Guns N' Roses, Metallica to Grunge. And I would say there was like a good four-year period where bands from all over the world were sort of doing this, you know, these four-chord mostly kind of songs. The style of music. Any kid could sort of pick up a guitar and play a lot of it. But most importantly, the fashion, the style of it, you know, the tying flannels around your waist

and growing your hair long. Goatees and eyebrow rings. Mike, you used to have an eyebrow ring. Generation X is music, basically. No, I never had an eyebrow ring. I had a ring in my left ear with pierced. I knew you had some extreme pierced, like Hepzium. But I would say that...

I think he influenced it. Grunge also opened up the door for people to discover acts that maybe didn't start off as grunge but they certainly ended up becoming famous during the grunge era that's why i would say sonic youth would be a good like sean kemp would be sure uh so that's what i would say uh you know obviously there's bands that should be named but i'll wait to hear what jams you pick but there's obviously influencers but you know i think it all sort of starts in the late maybe 89, 1990

with a band called Mother Love Bone is probably the beginning of it. There is a jam that was selected that would be a very good gateway to talk more about that band. When that lead singer of that band died, that sort of started this whole thing. Andrew Wood. Yes. So not to be confused

with Andrew Ward. Right. Shout out to Andrew Wood. A lot of this, especially the mother love bone, so key, and it will come up in a few different jams that kind of tell that story. So it will come out. Is it fair to say, Cam and Stu, that maybe you could define grunge as like a hybrid punk and metal, like a hybrid? Sure.

I feel like that's how they defined it, but I don't know. Like, I feel like you have to be from the Pacific Northwest and I know, I know that's kind of myopic, but no, like, like I feel like,

I don't know. Like also like most bands, people would identify as grunge would never want to be called grunge bands. If I may, not all your jams today. Cause I've seen your jams, Cam. They're not all from the Pacific. No, they're not.

I want to spark some intellectual debate on this. But I would say that when quote-unquote grunge music took over, it really changed everything. It changed the game. And I'm sure we're going to get to that one band. But when they came out, there was like a whole Stones and Beatles thing happening between two bands in particular.

Yep. That I guess we'll get to that. I will say, and I think Stu will probably echo this. I think it was kind of cool that like Stu and I, when we started high school, it was 1991. It's that exact era. Yeah, it's right when Nevermind came out. Because I remember the first,

certainly the first like two, three years of high school, you were, musically you were in one of like three camps. You were either grunge, metal, in which case you probably liked Metallica and Guns N' Roses, or you were like a hippie. Or hip-hop, because like grunge and hip-hop, they kind of crossed over in that. Yeah, like I feel like everyone liked hip-hop though. Like it wasn't, I don't know, like I feel like everyone was like digging though. Like it wasn't, I don't know. Like if you're like, everyone was like, I'm only two years older and I can distinctly remember that the rockers didn't like hip hop. Well,

the grunchsters did. Yeah. Like the grunge. Yes. The grunchers were open to it. That whole album, that combined, Judgment Night.

Judgment Night. Oh, I know. And we talked about, speaking of Sonic Youth, that we talked about Cool Thing, for example, and Chuck D.

Yeah. We kicked out that. We talked about REM and KRS. Like and Chuck D. We kicked out that for the Cameo episode. We talked about R.E.M. and Karas. There was a lot more, but you definitely did not like Nirvana, and you liked Guns N' Roses. You could not do that at the time, which seems really silly. But the interesting thing is, and I remember Poison tried to make a comeback,

and they sucked. They played a live thing. Yeah, like a few hair metal bands. Wait, tell me about this, because I was a big Poison tried to make a comeback and they like sucked. They like played a live thing. Yeah, like a few hair metal bands. Wait, tell me about this because I was a big Poison guy before Grunge. So at the MTV Awards, the year of Grunge, Poison had like a reunion. They were supposed to be the big surprise reunion

and they were getting ready to play one of their songs and Ricky Six, sorry, Nicky Six goes into business. But that's Motley Crue. Oh, sorry, not Nicky Six. Who am I thinking of? The guitar player? Ricky Rocket? No, no, no.

The crazy guy from Poison. Bobby Doll? No, come on. Bobby Doll, Ricky. Yeah, hold on. Well, Bret Michaels was the lead singer. I can picture he did a video with Len. Like their follow-up to Steal My Sunshine, this guy was in it.

We're going to get the name here. I'm trying to remember. Anyway, he decided to play his own song, and then it ends up really, really... C.C. DeVille. C.C. DeVille, that's right. C.C. DeVille comes out wasted. I didn't Google it, everybody.

He comes out wasted and fucks up the whole thing, and that's the end of Poison. And that sort of puts the nail in the coffin for a hair metal, or hair rocker, whatever you want to call it. Right, because they were a year or two removed from Unskinny Bop. Right. And that was the big pre-gush. hair rocker, whatever you want to call it. Right, because they were like a year or two removed from Unskinny Bop. Right. And that was a big pre-Grunge.

And that's the song they were supposed to play. Oh. But instead, you can look it up on YouTube and check it out for yourself. What's got you so jumpy? Why can't you stand still? Unskinny bop bop. Like a gasoline gun up company.

That's a good song. Yeah, I like it. The interesting thing, though, is that Grunge was like, I would say, 91 to 96, we'll call it, the sweet spot. Oh, so you put it beyond the death of Kurt Cobain. Yeah, because a lot of music came after that. You know, like, Bush and all these kind of bands were still around. We should have this discussion while we kick out these jams, because it might make more sense.

I was going to say, yeah. But my point was, I was just going to give a little, like, finish to that hip-hop conversation, though. Oh, please, yes. That, like, while grunge was happening, hip-hop was kind of bubbling over. By 93, hip-hop took over pretty much. By 94, Biggie and Wu-Tang and all these things were blowing up, and that was sort of the peak years for both of those genres. Hip-hop was moving up and grunge was going down.

For sure. Now, before I kick out Cam's first grunge jam, and it'll be fun to have these debates because some of these I'm not sure are grunge. Spoilers, right? It's Roxy music. More than this. I'm playing a song by the Vestibules, okay? Oh, okay.

Very sure, but just give it to me. Right. You guys might, they played this on Much Music. What's going on? Here it comes. Oh, this is the part of the video before the song starts. Oh, right. So, when does the song start?

A lot of people credited this to Corky and the Juice Pigs. It is not. Same spirit. That would have been a good episode of Mistaken Identity Bands and Songs. Okay, so listen to this for a minute, because it's going to be a great opening. Is it Corky?

No. This is theunge right here They're laying it out It gets better We play very soft It sounds like a ballad Is this actually a good song? I agree. It is actually a good song.

It's weirdly a good song. It's a good song. And this format is kicks ass i have to say it sounds so much like weezer i don't know about that so you get the idea. But bottom line is, a few of these songs we're going to kick out. Do follow this exact template.

And there is a man that's sort of responsible for all that, and we'll get to it. Oh, my God. I'm so excited. I'm almost, I will say, and I got to say, last week we did Yacht Rock, which I believed, when I was picking the, I guess we all picked the topic, but I was thinking, oh, this one's for Stu. Stu's going to kick ass, because Stu loves Yacht Rock. Stu always kicks ass.

Come on, ask Cambrio. He wins all the episodes. He's relentless on Twitter. He knows that I win. We're just losers. I never show up to the table without food. And then I will be very honest. I'm okay with Yacht Rock, but it's not my favorite genre.

But I did enjoy the episode and I enjoyed doing the homework. And then this week, though, this is grunge, okay? I loved this genre. Like, I bought every grunge CD. I loved it. So let's kick it out with,

let's start kicking out these jams. This episode's going to be on the nose for sure. This is Cam Gordon's first jam. Wow, just going, opening strong. Yeah. Just gonna look up and know it too.

Opening strong. Coming up on 102.1 The Edge. There's a head. Not from the Pacific Northwest. Party out of bed The engine's starting

I didn't pick any Canadian songs. I feel ashamed now. I thought that was like a separate genre, you know, Canadian French. Yeah, you could have done like Underwhelmed by Sloan. So they're from the Pacific Northwest of Ontario. Sure.

A few are creation. You know I am While he's by your side I know him Don't wanna get the chance To be a part of Your mess More, more than I gave You put me in the crate Questions to see what you've got Looking for answers You know I have not You know I have not Wow.

Yeah. So, uh, yeah, a little can con to start us off. This is the, the band head right from right here in Toronto. Definitely not the Pacific Northwest. Pacific Northwest of Toronto.

Pacific Northwest, sure. Yeah, parts, well, partially parts of Thornhill. This band comes up a lot on Pandemic Fridays. They do, yeah. We love them. Yeah, I mean, did he go to your high school or something? Or just like... His brother did.

Yeah, so anyway, this song's called Answers. This is from Head's second album called Jerk. Great album. Great album, great band. Head, yeah, a three-piece, and yeah, the singer Noah Mintz, who you're hearing here, did go to Thornley a bit before our time,

was actually in a band with Hayden during his Thornley years. That's a band I want to hear. Yeah, which is kind of cool, and his brother Billy Mintz also was the, not only the president of Thornley High School, Thornley Secondary School, also was an original cast member on Degrassi Junior High.

What? Yeah, Billy Mintz. What character? He was? Yes. What did he play? Are you sure about that? He was on like one or two episodes, yes.

Are you positive? Famously, famously. I have no recollection of that. Anyway, let's take that offline. But a bit more about Head. Certainly one of the, perhaps most famous because they won one of the big CFNY Discovery Disc. Let me do that.

So the song Happy. Because on the same New Music Search CD from CFNY, there's a Hayden song on it too called Take. I had this cassette actually. And I loved Hayden's Take. Take a part of me. I think it was Stu made his first visit to the Toronto Mike's. I think we played it.

I did the Canadian. I did 90s CanCon. I loved Take. I still love played it. I did the Canadian. I did 90s CanCon. I loved Take. I still love Take. And I feel like that. But Happy. I love Happy by Head that's on that damn new music service. And that CD, correct me if I'm wrong, also had Change of Heart and Treble Charger on it.

And Sarah Craig maybe? Yeah, it was a big deal. It was a great fucking CD. But it was also like Change of Heart was not a new band. They'd been around 12 years or something by that point. This was an interesting era in Canadian music

because these bands could actually go play shows to like full houses too. Like it's not like today where maybe it's different. I know like there's small houses. There's obviously

global megastars that have come out of Toronto recently in the last 10 years. But back in the 90s like Head and Rusty and Doughboys, these guys were playing all the time. Like they would headline the opera house with a full mosh pit.

So, okay, I got to ask a question a lot of people at home are asking right now. Sure. So tell me, Cam, what makes that a grunge song? Well, I would say, I mean, I would say there's crunchy guitars. There's kind of the introspective lyrics. There's definitely that quiet, loud dynamic. Also the time period that it came out. Yeah, the time period it came out.

It does have that gloom. Yeah, and then I was going to comment, as I often do, about the videos. The videos showed a young Noah Mintz sitting by the bus station in Toronto. And actually he went on a bus with the band to Niagara Falls. So it shows him going around Niagara Falls, sort of an introspective thing during the heavy part, it cuts to the band jamming out. Also,

we haven't even mentioned Broken Social Scene, obviously Brendan Canning from Head, later way down to Fame and Fortune with that band. Like, okay. So if that's grunge. Wait, on the CBC,

there was a CBC special that was like a live, like during this grunge era, they would showcase bands on CBC. I forget what it was called. Was this Ear to the Ground? Yeah, maybe, but we went to the taping where Head was performing. I believe if you pull up the clip, you can see a young Cam Gordon like body surfing in the clip. So, I

need to ask, is it moist? Yeah, well, they're not good. Grunge? They were grunge. Yeah, sure. like radio pop grunge silver like uh that kind of silver or uh what's the other chair push push no no we are silver we are yeah that's right push just a little but i would say like when they showed up which was like what 94 ish that was sort of the tail end of grunge where anybody subsequent like Creed I would not say is grunge. This song you're kicking out though is from 94. Is from 94 and also

Head had been around a couple years. But I'll say that that's grunge. That song's grunge. Moisty's grunge. Okay, what about Rusty? Rusty's grunge. They're hard rock but they're grunge. But it's also like the image. Because of the guitar sound and the mood.

Okay. Yeah, the loud, quiet thing. I think like with the yacht rock, because I wasn't sure what yacht rock was when we started. Any soft rock hit, that smooth rock hit that came out between 75 and like 82 could be yacht rock. Same with this.

Any alt rock format rock mainstream music. Is Sloan's? They would be grunge. Underwhelmed grunge. Yeah, I would say. I don't want to let the cat out, but bands like. Yeah, yeah. Okay,an's underwhelmed grunge? Yeah, I would say it would. I don't want to let the cat out, but bands like... Okay, let's keep going.

Okay, I just want to say before you play my first song. Yeah, I can't wait to play it. I love it. So, I didn't necessarily put together my favorite grunge songs of all time. I just put songs that impacted me through this era.

Okay, but you are now... Of course I love these songs. These are grunge songs. These are five grunge songs, but if are now... Of course I love these songs. These are grunge songs. These are five grunge songs, but if I was actually to pick my absolute favorite songs, maybe these wouldn't be the five, but these are the ones that impacted me. And actually, Mike, before you hit play there... Okay, because we have to do 15 in this. I know, but these are two fun facts I think you'll like, especially the second one.

I'm ready. Is this still about head? Yeah, I'll just say the band Head. Did they spell it with two H's? Yes, small H, large H, and then Head. One, like a member of the band must have edited their Wikipedia page because the level of detail

and all the hyperlinks to really old Toronto Star articles is staggering. But Mike, you'll like this because I feel like this is another Canadian band of the year that comes out a lot. They were originally known as Head without the second H, but added the second H after discovering another band was already

recording as Head, although both Head and Vancouver Band rhymes with Orange. Has no H in it. Yeah, joked it. But many times on Pandemic Friday, I made the joke that Head got the H that rhymes with Orange. Well, you know who else who made that joke?

Who? The members of Rhymes with Orange and the band Head because they were joking about this in a 1994 article from... I had an album by Rhymes of Orange and it had a song on it called The Taking of David. The Taking of David.

I just loved this song. It had another song about Toy Train. There was Toy Train. There was also a song called Marvin. I think it was a cool album, but that was around like 13 Engines and all this kind of can-can. Yeah, and you know what they were? They were a grunge band. 13 Engines?

All rhymes with orange. All rhymes with orange. West Coast grunge. I don't know. I don't know. Well, we're going to get into bigger debates as we go. But any more fun facts? That was really good.

I liked that one. No, that's good. And they once played with My Bloody Valentine, which is pretty cool. Okay, not a grunge band. No. Okay. All right.

So the first song that I play here is sort of a song that was part of, I guess, once grunge sort of became really popular in 91. Obviously, what does Hollywood do? Hollywood wants to make a movie. Let's make a grunge movie. And Cameron Crowe, this is his movie. Okay, then my order is different then. Really?

Yeah, hold on. This is awkward. Hold on. Hold on here. I believe I sent you a specific order. Okay, hold on there, please. We haven't played anything yet. Don't get mad at me, Stu.

You scare me. Stu gets, when he gets serious, I get scared. I think you really threw him with the Fedokon Please stuff. Okay. Yeah, Stu's right. So I have the order. I know what you're, you are setting up the song. Yes.

Okay, I'm ready. Okay, good. Yeah, so this is from that film, and the band actually made an appearance in the film. So let's let this one kick out. Good, because this will let us talk more about Mother Love Bone. Sure. Here we go.

One of the most famous bass licks in all of grunge. Alice in Chains, Wood. I'll draw the mic. Better than Fridays. You missed the post. This is fucking grunge. I was just going to say, if anything's grunge. This is from Dirt, right?

Dirt? I'll let you know. And theirt? I'll let you know. And the singles. I'll let you know. Also didn't start as a grunge band. More than that. No heat broken by my master. Teach me a child of thereafter I'm a fucking teenager again.

I love this jam. Into the flood again Singing my truth to what I can So I made a big mistake To rather see it once more All right. This is a song called Wood by a band called Alice in Chains. This was written by their guitarist Jerry Cantrell,

who is still touring as Alice in Chains now. I saw him last year. Very awesome. Yeah, they got a new lead singer. in Chains now. I saw him last year. Very awesome. Yeah, they got a new lead singer. I saw them too. I saw them too. I feel like they're almost in the journey category. Well, it sounds like fucking Layne Staley.

Yeah, it's really awesome. The song debuted to the world in the film Singles, where they actually play the song in the movie as themselves. They walk into a club, and there's Alice in Chains playing wood. play the song in the movie as themselves. They walk into a club and there's Alice in Chains playing wood. Interestingly enough, the song became pretty successful

for them that it ended up being put on their album Dirt as well. So it was on the single soundtrack. If we may, one of the great grunge albums of all time, Alice in Chains, Dirt. Played through Angry Chair, just so fucking good. Also the single's soundtrack. Also, the singles soundtrack really introduced the world

to a lot of bands that we might hear tonight. I don't want to spoil it. Paul Westerberg. Other than Paul Westerberg, but Chris Cornell shows up there, Edward Vedder

and his bandmates. State of Love and Trust is on there. Two songs. They have a song called Breathe Also, or Breath, I forget.

Anyway, the movie was called Singles. It was a grunge rom-com written, produced, directed by Cameron Crowe, starring Bridget Fonda and Matt Dillon and Allison Chains, man. I think Pearl Jam has a cameo in there. I think they all do. And the band, should I talk about that other side band that sort of spawned from this? No, I'm going to do that next.

Save it for my next jam, I'll say that. But let's just say that there is a supersonic that had a cameo in Singles. Yeah, Xavier McDowell. So there you go. And Singles, you're right, that soundtrack, it's not all grunge because Jimi Hendrix is on that soundtrack, but there's a lot of grunge on that soundtrack. And yeah, Chris Cornell had that Seasons, right? He had the...

Which Seasons was not a grunge song. No, it's like 75% grunge, that soundtrack. But Wood, okay. Maybe even a bit less. The title of Wood, and this will all tie into my jam. It's all going to come together. Hold on, here we go.

Wood, Wood, you. This will all tie into my jam. It's all going to come together. Hold on. Here we go. This is a great segue. Wood. Hard out. That's a W-O-U-L-D. Like Wood with a question mark at the end. I believe, and you'll correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that is intentional because Andrew Wood, lead singer of Mother Love Bone, died of a heroin overdose.

Not to be confused with Andrew Ward. You made that joke. Or Dwayne Ward. Wood, lead singer of Mother Love Bone, died of a heroin overdose. Not to be confused with Andrew Ward. You made that joke. Or Dwayne Ward. Or Dwayne Ward. Right. Or Wills. Did the band ever confirm that? Because I feel like that's more like an urban legend. It's what I always believe

to be true. That makes sense. I'm going to kick out my jam because it will all tie in to the whole Andrew Wood, Mother Love Bone thing. You know what I forgot to mention? Go ahead. Is that that song, Wood, is about him. That's what he wrote the song about. So, yeah.

That's a whole fun fact. I have it all written right here. Okay, keep going. So, Blaine Staley, by the way, who ironically also passed away due to drug complications. Saddest story because it was days before they discovered him. And it seems like heroin was involved in some of the greatest musicians of all time

throughout history. So there's the trick, kids. Go take some heroin. Fun fact. Don't do heroin. This is a public service announcement from Toronto Mike. But yeah, actually,

Jerry Cantrell was so broken up by the passing of his good friend. Because they were on the verge, right? Like Crown of Thorns is the big jam I remember. Sorry, this is Mother Love Bone. Mother Love Bone, right? They were on the verge, right? Like Crown of Thorns is the big jam I remember. Sorry, this is Mother Love Bone. Mother Love Bone, right? They were on the verge of,

he was a great front man, Andrew Wood, and they were on the verge of stardom. So he wrote the song about, the song Wood is about Andrew Wood. So it's not an urban legend. And by the way, Alice in Chains, before they were called Alice in Chains and Chains, they were called Alice in Chains, andains, they were called Alice in Chains,

and they were like a rock metal outfit in the 80s before they switched things up to be Alice in Chains. So before Dirt, I remember the big hit, I think I have my right order, was Man in the Box. Yeah. If you watch ECW Wrestling, there's lots of Alice in Chains. Tommy Dreamer. Yeah, later would be played at hockey games

whenever there'd be a penalty. But the S word is prominent in that song. Rooster is a great is prominent rooster is a great song rooster's great song here's here's a toronto fun fact and and i once this once appeared on my blog completelyignored.com great blog thank you decent blog decent blog but alice and jane's alice and jane's alice and jane's rock now alice and chains actually played the skydome prior to the grunge era, if you can believe it, because they opened a show for guess who they opened for? Guess who?

Metallica? Metallica was a good guess. Skydome opens in 1990. There's not a lot of pre-grunge time. I saw Elton John. Small clue, this was 1990 they opened for. I'm going to say Extreme. That's a good guess Small clue, this was 1990. They opened for... I'm going to say Extreme.

That's a good guess. No, it was actually Ozzy Osbourne. Ozzy Osbourne at the Skydome 1990. He had a dip, I guess. Of course, the Alice in Chains Unplugged album is not to be missed. It's possible we're going to hear another Alice in Chains song. But this song will bring us back to Mother Love Bone

and how important that whole scene was for what grunge blew up to be. So let's kick out my first jam. I think most people can predict what I'm going to play next. Goes out to Farbsie. Yeah. Big TOTD fan.

What about the lyrics? I don't mind stealing bread from the mouths of decades. Oh, checkmating. Hey! Well, I can't feed on the powerless when my cup's already open. Happy to report this gentleman is still alive. And thank God. She's the only vocalist on this song that can claim that, though.

But it's on the table, the fire's cooking. And the farming babies and slaves are working The blood is on the table and the mouths are choking I'm going hungry I don't mind stealing bread From the mouths of decades But I can't feed on the powerless When my cup's already overfilled Sorry, I got lost in the song.

I'm like, do I have to fade this down and talk about it? Okay, so. It never gets old, though. So what do we got here? We have the surviving members of Mother Love Bone with a guy named chris cornell who's the lead singer for sound garden sound garden might come up again in this episode and um a guy named eddie vetter who wasn't in pearl jam no that's right so the surviving

members of mother love bone the guy who's lead singer for sound garden and a guy named eddie vetter who i believe like a surfer from San Diego or whatever. Gas station attendant. Well, he was in a band called Bad Radio, which made it nowhere. But then he, of course, this song from Temple of the Dog, they had one album,

a few good tracks on this. I own this CD. There's a couple of good jams on this. There's Chris Cornell. What a fucking vocalist he was. We'll talk about that later. But this is basically, it's safe to say, out of this project emerges a band named Pearl Jam.

Because most of Pearl Jam is Mother Love Bone plus another guitarist. At first they were called Mookie Blaylock, by the way, before they were called Pearl Jam. And that's why their debut album is called 10 that's mookie play luck's number mike did this album come out before pearl jam no i can't remember it was if it did i don't remember i remember learning about temple i feel like it was like recorded before but came out after if that that it's around the same it's that same year though like 91 like this all happened really quickly okay we're going to get into another band we'll talk about soon. Does Pearl Jam show up later on?

Because if not, then everybody sort of thought someone would pick them. Because I had this song in my – they do come up. Okay, good. In fact, I actually now look at my notes and I see my intent was – so last week when we were talking about Chris Cornell could sing. Oh, he's the man. Fucking ridiculous. But it's amazing how many times I've heard this

song and how I'm not sick of it. If you look at the big three we'll call them. There's really the big two, but if you were to put a third in there, I'd put Soundgarden in there. You could put a fourth in there because I think you could put Alice in Chains in there. Oh yeah, STP.

We'll talk about that. Pearl Jam, Head and Who? Right. And Rusty. Okay, so I want to, we are going to talk more. I wanted to start this episode like I started the last week's episode.

So I fucked this up. My apologies. It's because the hair's in my eyes and I'm hot. Yeah. Interesting, that song was actually, that whole band came together because they were literally so I fucked this up. My apologies. It's because the hair's in my eyes, and I'm hot. Interesting. That song was actually, that whole band came together because they were literally

going to just record a tribute. A tribute to Andrew Wood. Is this a bonus? This is a bonus. Nobody picked this jam. Nobody picked Pearl Jam? Yeah. Nobody picked this jam.

Okay. By the way, do you guys know, I feel like this, I'm surprised this wasn't bigger news, like Temple of the Dog reunited before Chris Cornell passed and played a show at Madison Square Garden. Yeah. Like, that happened, right?

And Eddie was there? I don't remember this. Yeah, like, I feel like this is like. He only sang on that one song, I think. And that was the one, that was the song that got the video airplay. Yes. Like they were in the. Because he's standing in the wheat fields or whatever.

Like in the dunes lighthouse and stuff. Also Pearl Jam didn't have music videos so this was a way for MTV to play a Pearl Jam on MTV. They did until Jeremy, right?

Well after that they stopped making videos. I know but they had several they did have this was a big video and Even Flow was a big video. What was the video

the first video they did when they broke their it was like Do the Evolution which was Todd McFarlane. Right. And that's by the way broke their... It was like Do The Evolution. Do The Evolution, which was Todd McFarlane. And that's, by the way, great video and a great song, Do The Evolution. That's from Yield.

That's right. And I loved Yield so much. But I loved... I'm a big Pearl Jam guy. Pearl Jam, the last man standing when all is said and done. By far. What about... What's the band that starts with M? Oh, Mudhoney. Yeah, like isn't Mudhoney that starts with M Mudhoney

Yeah like isn't Mudhoney It's not on the same level I'm with you I'm with you Here's a question for you guys Were you guys at either the Lollapalooza show in 92 When Pearl Jam or Soundgarden

Or Chili Peppers Or when they opened for Neil Young I was at the Neil Young one It was Soundgarden, Pearl Jam or Soundgarden or Chili Peppers? Correct. Or when they opened for Neil Young. I was at the Neil Young one. Okay. It was Soundgarden, Pearl Jam, and Neil Young. And there was a fourth band too. I think we've talked about this. Which is Blues Traveler, if you can believe it.

No, I swear to God. Which eventually would record the Roseanne theme song. When Pearl Jam came on, everybody rushed the floor. Yeah. I'm doing an episode next week with a guy. We're going to talk about Molson Park memories. This is the whole episode in this backyard. And still to this day, my greatest Molson Park memory.

And when you talked about the crowd, I remember when Pearl Jam, I don't know what they broke into, Corduroy or something, at the beginning of the show in 98 at Molson Park in Barrie. And I was with my first wife, Taryn. Hi, Taryn. Shout out. Did she listen? I don't know.

Is it her birthday or what? No, that would be wild. Yeah, like Pearl Bluestrapple. Not making it up. But the moment when they start, or whatever it was, Corduroy, whatever. You could, the wave, the wave of people coming to the front of to the stage it was wild it was like

unbelievable mike did i don't know if we've ever talked about did you personally mosh like just in general like did you watch at least palace i was personally kicked out of the phoenix uh several times because they banned moshing and when killing the name of or something like that, or Thundercats 65 or something came on. Oh, this said like the Martin streak. No, it wasn't. You know what it was?

It was usually, it was strange paradise, which was on Monday nights and hosted by Andy Frost, believe it or not. But I got kicked out several times for violate by bouncers for violating the no moshing. I was really a dog wearing moshing guy. And I also always to this day, like fuck rules, like no moshing. I was really a dog wearing moshing guy. And I also always

to this day, like, fuck rules. Like, no moshing, watch me. And then I get booted out. Yeah, fuck rules. You know, if I want to put like a giant massive light in my backyard at like 9pm when people are trying to sleep, like, fuck everybody. Never thought of that. Okay, so what it was, I was going to open up

with a Pearl Jam that was not grunge. And then, still a great jam. So one of the great, I'm going to get up with a Pearl Jam that was not grunge, and then still a great jam. So one of the great, I'm going to get rid of this because no one picked it, but to me it's one of the great grunge songs of all time. That's definitely a grunge song. So let's say goodbye to Alive by Pearl Jam. There will be more Pearl Jam.

In fact, you know what? Let's kick out another jam. I highly doubt Cam picked a Pearl Jam song. You don't think so? I don't think so. Okay. I'm going to tell it to you a bit. Yellow lead better.

Here's my next pick, you asshole. Of course, of all the Pearl Jam songs. The Japanese import. And not on an album, right? It was the B-side to Jeremy. This is probably their best song. Thank you, which is why I picked it. But it's got a Jimi Hendrix kind of vibe to it.

And the lyrics always change, right? So people couldn't figure out what the hell he was saying. It makes it up. Let's enjoy, because this is always like a closer. We probably didn't need to play the other Pro Jam song if this was next. It's my show, Stu's John. It's this grunge because it never gets heavier. Let's just listen.

It's obviously it is. I wanna leave it again Once I'm out of hell I wanna be somewhere I wanna say I wanna leave it again They're talking about my sweater on Twitter. I wanna leave it They're talking about my sweater on Twitter

I wanna leave it I wanna wish it on the way And I call and I say And I won't wanna say And then I call out Yeah, I'm gonna wish it On the way Oh, come on I said I know what I want Okay, I've got a trivia question for you.

I like quizzing you guys. Okay, I like it. Okay, so lowest of the low, rosy and gray is to Toronto Mike. I'm with you as Pearl Jam Yellow Better is to... 100%. Yellow Lead Better. The go-to closer.

Yes, I've seen Pearl Jam... No, no, I'm saying there's another podcast. This is the song they play to close every single podcast. Do you know what that podcast is? No, I thought you were... I thought you were bringing up

the point that lowest of the low always closes their shows of Rosie and Gray. No, I'm saying this song closes a podcast. Toledo Mike? No, I had no idea song closes a podcast. Toledo, Mike? No, I had no idea.

The Bill Simmons podcast. I didn't know that. Yes. But Pearl Jam, probably for the same reason, like Rosie and Greg closes the Lois and Lo show. And almost every time

I've seen Pearl Jam, I think I'd say 90% of the Pearl Jam shows I've seen, which is probably like only nine or 10, have closed with Yellow Leadbetter.

Like it's a closer. That's what I thought you were doing there. Well, I mean. That's probably why Bill Simmons closes with it. I don't know this to be a fact, but I'm hoping that you're going to clarify this, but I always thought that this song was some sort of a tribute to

Jimi Hendrix, who's also a Seattle guy, I think. Is he? That's why he's on the single sound. That's why it sounds like Jimi Hendrix to me. I don't know. Here's the back story. I actually have a fun fact about this.

So the song title, Yellow Leadbetter, and again, this is from 1992. There's an old bluesman named Leadbetter. Well, I don't think it's that. It's derived from the actual name of an old friend of Vedder's from Chicago named Tim Leadbetter. And there's a citation in Wikipedia, so you can assume that's true. It's a sea shanty, right? It's a sea shanty. Sure. Although many fans have made their own interpretation,

da-da-da, brother overseas. There's a lot of discussion that this was actually a Gulf War song. What does it say here? Vedder said in an online chat that the song was written around the Gulf War, around the time of the Gulf War and is an anti-patriotic song. So it's like he was born in the USA. Yeah. Unfortunate son. But it does sound

like Jimi Hendrix. Yeah. I never thought of the Jimi Hendrix angle but now that you mention it, sure. I do know that until I think it was called Lost Dogs, a CD came out called Lost Dogs. I bought the damn thing, which was good.

It was all the best Pearl Jam stuff that didn't appear on one of their albums. And until then, yeah, it was a B-side of a Jeremy single. And I bought the Jeremy single just to get this freaking song. And, you know, a lot of bands kind of copied the Pearl Jam sound, obviously. You know, at first, STP, which maybe we'll hear from, but I know Moist was brought up already, but that was sort of like Kirkland Pearl Jam at first. But can I make this, I got to say,

I don't believe this is a grunge song. Well, it is because it's as a grunge band. But that's insane because at the beginning of the Yacht Rock episode, we played Hotel California. Right, but that's different because the Eagles were never in the Yacht Rock lane until that one song, whereas Pearl Jam invented the lane. But they're like an arena rock band.

I believe a lot of 10 is grunge. No, that's a grunge song. I mean, when you listen to, do you really think like Worldwide Suicide is a grunge song? I feel like a lot of Pearl Jam is grunge. So Stu, I think what you're saying is first and foremost,

you have to be a grunge band or a yacht rock band to even be considered. Well, no, no, but if you release music within that period of popular, when grunge is popular and you are a grunge act, this was part of that scene. If you're listening to grunge music on radio... Okay, but Kenny Loggins, when he's

doing these soundtrack songs in the 80s, these are not yacht rocks. Some people might say that. Danger Zones? No, that's not a yacht rock. Danger Zones is a fucking yacht rock song, Stu Stone. Can you say it? Say the catchphrase. Danger Zone.

What is that? He doesn't know it. I thought it was, fuck you, Stu Stone. I'm trying to clean up my hair. Danger Zone is after yacht rock. I'm saying that the yacht rock era ends in about 82, 83.

Everything Pearl Jam does is grunge? No, no. Everything from 91 to 94, which this song falls into. By the way, can I taint this song a bit? It's something I learned, and maybe you guys know this. Pearl Jam was very famously anti-corporate in the 90s. Yeah, like they went to war with Ticketmaster. Ticketmaster didn't make music videos.

I love holding this basketball, by the way. Jarvis dribbles that like three hours a day. Yeah, well, it's his droplets.bbles that like three hours a day. Yeah. You might want to sanitize that. I was going to say his droplets. I do have sanitizer right here. No, but again, I was never a regular viewer of the TV show Friends. Nor was I.

Oh, the finale. This apparently played in the finale when Rachel thing. Jennifer has a boarding an airplane and this is the plane in the background. Do you remember this? Yes. What I do is, for shows that are very popular and run a long time that I don't watch, like Friends, I never watch it,

I will tune in for the finales. So I watched the Big Bang Theory finale and it's the only episode of Big Bang Theory I watched. And I've been doing this forever. I watch finales of shows even if I didn't watch them. Okay? Keep going down the long list. This Friends was a big phenomenon. I didn't like Friends because I love Seinfeld so much.

And I thought Friends was not funny. I just didn't like it. So I didn't watch it. But I watched the finale. And yes, Yellow Leadbetter. I blogged about it on TorontoMic.com. Oh, Yellow Leadbetter just showed up. When was Friends done?

Like in the early 2000s? Early 2004 maybe. Okay. Here's a question before we get to our next one time did you watch like the new heart finales because didn't he just like wake up at the end it's like oh it's all a dream okay am i imagining no yes you know the new heart finale he wakes up and he's next to his wife from the bob newhart show and basically new heart was a dream yeah that bob newhart had in the bob Newhart show. That's not bad. I think that's kind of neat.

Yeah, I like that. And speaking of songs and finales, Seinfeld, which is a popular finale, had like a clip show that aired just before the finale. And in there, they play Green Day's Good Riddance. Yeah, Time of Your Life. And also the final, ow, I just got bit by West Nile. Oh, yeah, there's some mosquitoes in there. I was going to say, David Letterman had Foo Fighters ever long,

did his final montage. Conan O'Brien did Freebird. Right, right. And the word mosquito shows up in a very famous Nirvana song. To bring it all to... But I mean, we're only on Stu's second jam there. So the last band I played, which was Alice in Chains, they started out as a, not necessarily a grunge act,

but they became- A rock band. A hard rock band. They certainly fit into the category. This is a band that I'm about to play that had been a rock band sort of fringe success, but not really. And it ties into Friends.

That were together in 1981. Because he dated Courtney Cox. And it took 10 years for them to become a success. And they were sort of the first band to capitalize that I remember in Toronto, because this was like the first, quote, grunge concert that I ever went to without my parents. You know, I went by myself to a concert.

Wow. And let's let it roll. Okay, but this lead singer did date Courtney Cox for Friends. I think that's important. I don't know who you're talking about. Oh, I screwed up. Oh, wow.

Not grunge. I was going to pick this song, I swear to God. I feel like I DM'd you about it. I know you were going to pick this song. Wow. I love this song. Suddenly he breaks into song I'm waiting by the phone Waiting for you to call me up And tell me I'm not alone

Waiting by the phone Waiting for you to call me up And tell me I'm not alone. Agreed, though. This is the best song in this album. Yeah, this is a great album. Definitely a grunge hit, whether you say so or not. You know,

there's kids moshing and they're playing and he's got the look. They're totally have transformed themselves into a grunge act at this point. There's like an old man with his shirt off. He looks like he hasn't washed his hair in like 20 years. He's wearing the ripped sweaters. Who are you listening to? What is this? Soul Asylum. What's his name? David

Pernell. Okay, so he was a grungy looking dude. They were the epitome of like good looking grunge dude. He got all the women. Runaway Train was on this album. Which won the Grammy for the best But it's not a fucking grunge song. Well, I didn women. Runaway Train was on this album. Which won the Grammy for the best... But it's not a fucking grunge song. Well, I didn't say that it was. This is...

I don't mean to get so passionate here. The guy that played a fucking Wendell Clark video for movies is questioning whether this is grunge. Bullshit. Bullshit. Bullshit. Stu. Bullshit. I own this album.

I never once considered it a grunge album. Well, that's your problem. Did you, Cam, consider this grunge? I could be talked into it, Mike. I mean, again, you have the receipts. Stu, this is actually true. I DM'd Mike about this song. I'm kind of blown away that you chose this because, yeah, I think it's pretty fucking grungy. Debatable, right? How about this song. I'm kind of blown away that you chose this because, yeah, I think it's pretty grungy.

Debatable, right? How about this fun fact? The guy that directed the music video, Zack Snyder. That is Superman. Yeah, that's a big fun fact. Sorry, who is that?

He's a big director. He directed Superman, right? Big fucking director. Does movies. Zack's small. Respectfully, Stu. It's a great song. I'm singing along.

This is grunge. I'm telling you the imagery of it, the marketing enjoying it. This is grunge. I'm telling you. The imagery of it, the marketing of it, this is grunge. And I saw them at the Kingswood Music Theater. I was going to say, I want to hear more about that. Was this with Screaming Trees? Screaming Trees and the Gin Blossoms. Not the Gin Blossoms. Sorry.

Spin Doctors. You're not my sister. Okay, okay. Let me ask you this. Let me ask you this. Okay. Bush. Grunge. What about it? How is that not grunge?

What are you, nuts? That was like fake grunge. Okay, let me try one more. I'm just trying to understand where Phil... What's Phil? Where the fuck is that name? Where's Stu's... What's that?

Oh, is that Cream? Is Cream out here? Bush is like radio grunge. Oh, there is Cream! You can't say that it's not. We're kicking out the grunge, Cream. It's fucking nonsense. Cream is soul asylum grunge. Oh, there is Grunge! You can't say that it's not. We're kicking out the Grunge, Kareem. It's fucking nonsense. Kareem is Soul Asylum Grunge.

He's not a Grunge guy. We had this chat earlier today. It was on the Time Life, the 70s. I don't think so. I don't think Mike has any say. Okay, I don't think this band's The fact that Cam sent the song to you should... No, it means both of you think that might be a grunge song.

Okay, and it's similar because I don't think this band or this song is going to come up. We've actually... I think this has been on a past episode. Lemonheads, their cover of Mrs. Robinson. Not grunge. Is that grunge? No. Yes.

No way. Is it Julianna Hatfield 3, My Sister? Is that grunge? It's like sugar, if I could change your mind. Now you're just... I don't know that song. You know what you're I could change your mind. I don't know that song. You know what you're confusing, Stu? You're confusing alt-rock. Alt-rock with grunge.

Not all alt-rock is grunge. Well, that's your opinion. But you're saying all alt-rock released between 1991 and 1994 is grunge. Okay, is Beck loser grunge? Yes. Not a chance. Oh, that's definitely not grunge. I don't know how to proceed because you've decided every

CFNY song that aired between. Correct. That's insanity. That was their format. Grunge. He's working the gimmick. Their format was alt rock, which included a lot of grunge. I love it. StickerU.com made that. I love it. I love it. Down on Yonge Street. Are they open, by the

way? Yeah, they opened. They opened. I'm on Queen Street. Yeah, you can go in there. I have it. I got to get one. Down on Yonge Street. Are they open, by the way? Yeah, they opened. They opened. Like, you can go in? Queen Street. Yeah, you can go in. Yeah. I have a photo with you in there. I know.

You had your bike. It was like in February. You were still biking. Okay. If we're just going to kick out, quote, Mike's grunge songs, you got four bands to pick from. Okay. Oh. You got to expand.

Oh. Oh. That's grunge. I know that's fucking grunge. Lady grunge. Those stars look just like little fish. That's grunge. I know that's fucking grunge. Lady grunge. The biggest opportunist in all of grunge. My last day. Peace. Mine is forever They get what they want And they never want it again

They get what they want And they never want it again Love it. Go on, take everything Take everything I want you to Go on, take everything Take everything I want you to Courtney loves Hole. Courtney Loves Hole yeah

this is live through this which a lot of us saw Courtney Loves Hole who were at that Lollapalooza yeah we I think we're here like with like

she had her leg up on the that's right it's kind of like what Toronto Mike's doing here yeah oh look at this. Oh, Kamala.

Is he going to pass one to us? Yeah. So I think this is like undoubtedly grunge, right? Well, if Yellow Lead Better qualifies, this is better. Yellow Lead Better is, this again, a very subjective, sort of like Y'all Rock, I think. I think that's why I'm glad we did grunge right away. I don't think Yellow Lead Better is a grunge song,

and I definitely think this is a grunge song. Okay. I'd say we're three for three. Interestingly enough, Corgi Love is such a controversial figure. Well, because of Billy Corgan and Kurt Cobain, right? And not only that, Michael Stipe as well. And Evan Dando? Isn't Michael Stipe gay?

I don't know, but I know he ghost wrote songs with her. I thought you were talking about guys she dated. Billy Corgan wrote a lot of her music and Kurt Cobain obviously was a heavy influence on her music. I don't know how much of it is hers. But it's still good. I know what you're saying. I've heard these myths. I don't know if they're myths or not.

It's like Britney Spears doesn't write her songs. So either does Courtney Love, according to folklore. This is a great album, and I'm giving her some benefit of the doubt. She's great, though. Yeah, I think she's talented, like legit talented. The whole album's great.

Best World and Doll Parts. It's a good album. It's a solid album. And it's funny you mentioned you saw her Doll Parts. I sure did. I did, too, at an Edge Fest. Ask Gilles LeBlanc about it. He's from Moulton Park. But I saw it at an Edge Fest. Ask Jill LeBlanc about it. He's from Moulton Park.

But I saw it at a different... At Moulton Park, I saw an Edge Fest where Hole headlined, and I also saw Muffy. You saw more of the Malibu celebrity skin. That was the album she was promoting. So this is my favorite song

by Hole. And Live Through This. I think it's a play through this album and Definite Grunge and the other, I wanted a woman's voice on this episode. I almost picked Pretend They're Dead by L7. Oh, L7, sure.

You know, that's a great debate. Is Cannonball a grunge song? Of course it is. It's not of course. Are you kidding me? You've decided every Edge 102 song from 91 to 95. You guys are nuts. Is Dookie grunge song? Of course it is. It's not of course. Are you kidding me? You've decided every Edge 102 song from 91 to 95. You guys are nuts. Is Dookie grunge? Yeah. Get out of here! I'm shutting down the fucking party. I actually

have it written down in my shoutouts to shout out Radiohead. Sorry, sorry. To Green Day, that specific album. Is Radiohead grunge? Yes. What? Weezer? Yes. Weezer's grunge? Every old rock from the five years of birth. Yes. Tragically hip?

Well, some of the stuff maybe. No. Get out of here. Kareem just left when you heard that. Nah, he went to go roll again. You really think... Here's the question. Tragic is not grunge.

It's more Yacht Rock than grunge. Tragic is not grunge, but in the CanCon aspect of it, there's sound... Green Day? Green Day's not grunge. No, but that Dookie album... Is Offspring grunge, but in the CanCon aspect of it, there's soundcore. Green Day's not grunge. No, but that Dookie album. Is Offspring grunge? It's still in Neil Young. I feel nauseous.

But now you're dissing it? Well, certain Neil Young, sure. Like the album he did with Pearl Jam? Change Your Mind by Neil Young. No. It is very loud, quiet, loud, quiet. Okay, we gotta keep going and keep talking. I wanna play, you know, this band's, the name of this band has been dropped a few times tonight.

I didn't think this was going to be so controversial. We're only halfway done here. This is Cam Gordon's third grunge jam. And again, an act I want to talk about. There's a lot of fighting going on here. You know why? I'm as passionate about grunge as you are about y'all rock. Is this grunge?

I have the mute button for the Stu Stowe microphone, but I don't want to upset Cambrio. The all-time fave band of the Big Rybowski on Twitter. Everyone's like fucking dead. Like, sorry. It's depressing.

He's dead I saw him several times In concert You know when I saw Alice in Chains They were opening for Velvet Revolver And he was

He was singing Scott was singing You're telling me Radiohead Creep Is not grunge No I mean To say all Radiohead I didn't say all Radiohead

Creep might be the only Grunge song Hey pike down But I want you to hear the chorus. You know, I'm glad you picked Stone Temple Pilots just because I love this band. Yeah, and this song I feel like we don't hear much anymore. This is Stone Temple Pilots, the song Big Empty from their second album, not Fast Lane Purple,

but in perhaps most famously from the motion picture soundtrack for The Crow, another movie I've never seen. Rest in peace, Brandon Lee. Brandon Lee, yeah. Speaking of dead people, again, everyone's dead. But I remember hearing this song for the first time movie I've never seen. Rest in peace, Brandon. Brandon Lee. Brandon Lee. Everyone's dead. But this, I remember hearing

this song for the first time in the trailer for The Crow and be like, what is that? Like, I don't think I knew it was Stone Temple

Pilots. So is this grunge? It's got slide guitar and it just sounds like traditional rock. This is just alternative rock. Don't be a jerk,

Stu Stone. How am I being a jerk? I'm just, I'm feeding your facts back to you. I'm recording this. I'm going to play it back for you later. You'll see being a jerk? I'm just feeding your facts back to you. I'm recording this. I'm going to play it back for you later. You'll say, I apologize.

I apologize. I'm here to tell you that Soul Asylum is not grunge. That's what I said. And now I see Beck. Shout out to Beck, who's watching on Periscope. She says, Is she grunge? I'm on Team Toronto Mike.

Soul Asylum is not grunge. Sorry. That's fine. Okay. Sorry to hear that. God, I'm going to have like a week's worth of pulls out of this. Now, I'm... Like really.

No, listen. I remember when Plush broke, okay? And we all said, oh, it's a new Pearl Jam song. And no. Well, I feel like they were like... Oh, my. I keep on touching this. It's okay.

I Lysol'd it. But Peter... I want to hear more about Peter Gross, by the way. Peter Gross had a stroke. I know. And you have to listen to the most recent episode of Toronto Mike to Peter Gross. And we talk about the fact 10 days ago that man had a stroke. Shout out to Billy Squire.

Yeah, I played it. Too soon. Okay. No, I played it. Clearly, I haven't listened. I played it. He's a good sport. Yeah, I really don't know what else to say about that.

Like, this is a great song. That album, Purple, is like awesome. Like, all killer. It's got Vaseline in it. It's got... Interstate love Songs on there. Oh, my God. Interstate Love Songs.

What a great jam that was. Fantastic. Great grunge album. A lot of, in my opinion, again, very subjective, a lot of Stone Temple Pilots is grunge, but not all Stone Temple Pilots is grunge. They kind of veered in almost into glam. Pretty Penny.

Do you remember Pretty Penny? Yeah. That's not grunge. Lady Pitcher Show. You know what's grunge to me is I Wanna Run Through Your Wicked Garden. Sex Typing. Sex Typing. Penny. That's not grunge. Lady Pitcher Show. You know what's grunge to me is I wanna run through your wicked garden. Sex typing. And you know what? I think Plush is a good example

of a grunge song. What about that song Creep? Not the Radiohead song and not TLC. I'm half the man I used to be. Driving faster. I thought it was so weird like Radiohead, TLC, and STP all had songs called Creep. And then there was a song called Negative Creep, too.

I actually blogged about all the creeps on TorontoMic.com. I also found that very interesting. Well, you yourself are a creep. Well, you know what, Pete? The Cam Gordon blogging and TorontoMic blogging are from the same spirit. I think so. We're kindred spirits out there. I would agree.

There's probably overlap. I would say Gil LeBlanc is a bit in there too. He's here next week. I want to apologize. But I just want to say that Soul Asylum, for the first 10 years, they couldn't buy a

fucking fan. And then when grunge became popular, they changed it up. And they marketed themselves as a grunge act and they became popular as a grunge act. Do you remember last week I made a joke about somebody being on the side of a milk carton? Do you remember this? Yes. And you said you were making a movie about it? Yes. I hope that's not off the record. Well, go ahead.

I just said it. Runaway Train is the biggest hit that Stoltzheim's ever had. Nothing grunge about it. Just like you said, not every song of Stone Temple Pilots is grunge, but Somebody to Shove said, not every song of Stone Temple Pilots is grunge. Right. But Somebody to Shove is a mosh pit anthem from 1992 or whenever I went to that Canada's Wonderland show. So if you can mosh to it, it's grunge?

Well, that's part of it. If I may, Thunder Kiss 65 by Rob White Zombie is not grunge. That's not grunge. Well, Rage Against the Machine's not grunge. Well, I think it is. And that's the most moshable song I can think of. It's killing the name of. So there's like a mashup area where things get murky

towards the end of the grunge era in the beginning of like the punk rock. This is our last pandemic. Yeah, there's a murky period there where Green Day starts to become popular. Yeah, and Offspring. I'll say this. But that all sort of blends into that same. You got to keep it separated. That's not grunge, right?

That's like the end of grunge. I'll say there's a lot that Stu of blends into that same. You got to keep them separated. That's not grunge, right? It's like the end of grunge. I'll say there's a lot that Stu Stone has said tonight I don't agree with. I think he's actually right. Soul Settling Somebody Shove is a grunge song. Thank you. I do have the receipt. Thank you. It's the right time.

It's the right look. It's the right sound. It's the right band. Do you guys remember? They were on that. Do you remember the Victoria Williams benefit for Sweet Relief benefit album

that gave us right. Do you know that you remember the wonderful cover of Summer of Drugs by Soul Asylum. Well they were also on the iconic

delete bin classic the no alternative compilation. Oh my God yeah. Covering Marvin Gaye's sexual healing. Which is not a grunge song.

Yeah, but they were from Minneapolis, home of Paul Westerberg, featured on the single soundtrack. What about Soundgarden? Were they not just a hard rock band before they were classified as grunge? No, yeah, they definitely started as a hard rock band, similar to Alice in Chains.

So how does Tool fit into this? Not grunge. Like even the beginning, the early... Oh my God, I can already see the tweet from brother Bill I love to I pulled up today Blasting Tool so I'm a fan

I went to the show I think they're one of the greatest live bands I'm just saying their popularity sort of started around the same sort of murky waters

that I'm speaking of where grunge sort of opened up our eyes as the consumers the young people to rock and roll music like we were not into it and now we were into

everything that was being fed to us as a result of this grunge. With nine-inch nails. I mean, I don't think they're grunge, but I think... Oh, great example. They're industrial music, but I think that I discovered them... An anthem on Monday nights at Strange Paradise.

Closer. Of course. Not a grunge song. The edited version or like the full one? No, the full one. Yeah. Full one. What was the chorus on that one again?

Fuck you like an animal. I want to thank you like an animal. Fuck you like an animal I wanna thank you Like an animal Fuck you like an animal But my point is That these are songs That we were all exposed to Because of the popularity

Of this grunge movement Okay Let's move on Because this Stew Stone jam Is one of my favorite songs Of all time Is this grunge? Let's get it kicked off

I love it And I love How quiet it is So I'm gonna have it Really loud So it can hurt People's eardrums Here we go

You're gonna call it grunge Oh Wow this wasn't Supposed to be next But let's do it it really loud so it can hurt people's eardrums. You're going to call it Gwunge. Wow, this wasn't supposed to be next, but let's do it. Really? Yeah, it's fine. It could be like the star of the video, like you just cut it down. Yeah, I mean, it was really, if you could. guitar solo Today is the greatest day I've ever known

Can't live for tomorrow tomorrow's much too long I'll run my eyes out before I get out I want it

more and I I want it more Than I could ever have been Bored by the shore I'm saving things Great selection, Stewstone. This is called Today. There are 25 songs that I was able to find called Today. This is one of them.

This one's by the Smashing Pumpkins. Who are they? They are an outfit out of Chicago, Illinois. Siamese Dream, right? This is from their second album, Siamese Dream. This is the song in the music video that sort of put them on the map during the same period of time. Oh, yeah, the ice cream truck. That I'm speaking of.

Interestingly enough, Smashing Pumpkins was probably, arguably, you could flip a coin, but they were probably my favorite of all the bands of this era. Wow. I like their music the most. It's true. I was there. They're live. Yeah, it's a great band. of this era. Wow. I like their music the most. It's true. I was there. They're live. Gish and yeah,

it's a great band. Their live stuff wasn't amazing until the most recent tour which we've spoken about. Yeah, we talked about this. In 98, they really disappointed me.

Billy Corgan is playing all the instruments with the exception of the drums I believe on this track and on most of the album. Billy Corgan, this is another one of those songs

that sounds like a happy song. Today's the greatest day I've ever known, but it's about suicide and depression. It's another one of those dark songs, suicides kind of songs. That's a theme, a future theme. And he's talking about mutilating himself, you know, and killing himself,

and that's why it's the greatest day. That's because he's going to kill himself. Another survivor, if I will. I mean, they have lost a band member, but Billy Corgan's still with us. Was that guy in the band? Who died? Nobody died. Yeah, didn't they have lost a band member, but Billy Corgan's still with us. Was that guy in the band? Nobody died. Didn't they have a guitarist die early?

There was a touring keyboard player. Well, it wasn't one of the main four. Hole lost a member, too. Their original drummer, I think. Yeah. Anyway, there was so much pressure on Billy Corgan to follow up. This was

his big success. They followed up with Disarm, and the rest is kind of history. Smashing Pumpkins, another band that's still standing. I know we said Pearl Jam was the only band standing, but Smashing Pumpkins kind of broke up and got back together 200 times. Do they have like James Eha and the drummer? Everyone but Redsky. Redsky's not there.

She's not there. Something's going down there. Redsky Redsky's not there she's not there something's going down there Redsky rocks Billy Corgan pretty much shout out to Moe Berg much like Beck much like Prince

Billy Corgan is one of those guys that's the control freak of the band that plays all the stuff maybe he's not a control freak maybe he's just like Trent Reznor

on 9 and 10 sure also Wrestling Connection Billy Corgan we've talked about this owns the National Wrestling Alliance I hope to be employed by him someday. But I have worked with him before in wrestling

and been around him. Billy Corgan? Yeah. He's like sneaky tall, too. Yeah, he's very tall. He's like 6'5 or 6'6. I like that. Sneaky tall.

Cam's sneaky tall. Bad posture, though. Smashing Pumpkins are a great band, and Siamese Dream is a... You can listen to the whole album start to finish. There's not a bad song on there. But that's my favorite song on Siamese Dream is you can listen to the whole album start to finish. There's not a bad song on there. But that's my favorite song on Siamese Dream is Today. I like Soma and I like

a couple other ones. Mayonnaise. Silver Fuck? That's on there too. Mayonnaise? Yeah. Space Boy. But the big one was Cheer of Rock was the first one I heard off that album. There's that song Hummer. Hummer, Rocket. It's all great.

Really good band. They're not from the Pacific Northwest. No, they're not, but that's grunge. They're of the grunge era. Now these bands would be called just rock bands. Pearl Jam is a rock band. I hear it in the guitar. I hear grunge in the guitar.

Whereas I think it's more of the style, the aura, and the culture surrounding the song. But there's faux grunge. I guess when my eardrums, and again, this is similar to Yacht Rock where I could hear it after hearing you so eloquently explain what Yacht Rock was. I started to hear it. Yes.

And the way grunge, I hear it in kind of the crunchy guitar, whatever, I'm not a musician, so I can't speak to that. I can tell you who is responsible for all of this. Okay, tell me. If you want me to wait till the end or now. Well. There is sort of like a Michael McDonald Toto character. Oh my god, go ahead, do it now. There's a Michael McDonald kind of Toto

character that's floating around most of these songs. Is it Butch Vig? It is Butch Vig. I knew it. Yes. Butch Vig is the, he's the king of the sound that you are speaking of. He worked with Urge Over, Kill Smashing, Pumpkins, Nirvana, Sonic Youth, L7, House of Pain, Soul Asylum, Green Day, Foo Fighters, Muse, Silver Sun Pickups, Depeche Mode, Nine Inch Nails,

and is the drummer for the band Garbage. So he is the producer. His nickname is the Nevermind Man because he did famously- Yeah, Garbage is not a Grunge though. No, but he did the Smashing Pumpkins Gish album. He did the Smashing Pumpkins

Siamese Dream album. He did the Sonic Youth album that Cam's wearing the t-shirt of. The Soul Asylum album that I played the song from. These are, this is the guy.

This is the Michael McDonald Toto of the Grunge sound. He did Nevermind. Yeah. And he was actually just on another Canadian podcast. He was just, I feel like, again, I come on your did Nevermind. And he was actually just on another Canadian podcast. He was just,

I feel like, again, I come on your podcast and talk, but he was just on the podcast for Damien Abraham from Fucked Up

has the podcast. He was just on his podcast like a week ago. He gets Butch Vig and I get you guys. Yeah, but it's all like, anyway,

can I say one thing? Smashing Crumpkins are the only band I ever saw who played at my only Maple Leaf Gardens concert thing? The Smashing Crumpkins are the only band I ever saw who played at my only Maple Leaf Gardens concert. I saw Smashing Crumpkins. I saw Tragically Hip there, Beastie Boys, Lionel Richie. And just to Sue's point,

they were kind of a shitty live band back in the day. They really were. When I saw their farewell tour, I think it was 2000 actually, it was on Somersault. Speaking of Jeremy Taggart, because they put that together. Sure.

Are they the Peace Guys? Super disappointed. No encore. Barely recognized their hits. They completely rearranged them. But then I went with my buddy Bingo Bob. We went to see them three years ago, maybe, and they were fucking amazing.

That's the one you were at. It was literally like the redemption of all redemption. Oh, I know. And they did three hours, and they were amazing. And Billy Corgan really flexed his guitar chops, because Literally like the redemption of all redemption. Oh, I know. And they did like three hours and they did it. They were amazing. Just like all the songs. And Billy Corgan really flexed his guitar chops because like you never really saw him do any of that stuff. He kind of hit it. This is sort of a weird question, but like, was he into it? Like, was he like enjoying it?

Oh yeah. Like he was just like, I'm just going to fucking literally kick out the jams. I was at the show Stu's talking about. It was like, wow, this,, wow, it was what I hoped 2000 was going to be like. 2000, he just didn't give a fuck about the fans. He just went through the motions. No encore. No, this was the redemption. It was way better.

I can't wait because this band, we've talked about this band. We've played this band already. So here's our first repeat band. This is my third grunge jam. If them bones are meek, some say we're born into the grave. I feel so alone, gonna end up a bigger pile of them bones. Okay, so this is like Wood. So Wood was kicked out by who kicked out Wood?

Stu? I think it was him. Okay. Again, he mentioned singles, but Wood was on Dirt. This song is from Dirt. And when I think of the songs on Dirt, like Brother in Angry Chair and this one, Them Bones. Oh, and The Rooster. You mentioned The Rooster too. That's a playthrough.

For many years when I was working in an office, it's been a long time, but when I would work in an office, I would put on dirt and just plod through the day. Didn't they have another one? Jar of Flies?

Jar of Flies. That was like a... No, Flood was Jar of Flies. Yeah, and that had No Excuses, which is still a catchy ditty. That was a shitty little song. But no, no excuses to me is not a grunge song. No, no excuses.

If I played it now, you'd be singing along with this. I got the look to quote Roxette. Come on, don't say that. But this is from Dirt again, which might be one of the all-time great grunge albums. This is one of the scarier grunge songs. It's very menacing. So let's take a moment and talk about Layne Staley

really quick here which is that I always loved his delivery style and the way he sang a song we're gonna hear more of Layne so Layne will get

the record for most times you know he's gonna be on a future song okay we're all gonna kick out a Layne song actually like really a tragic figure

tragic for a lot of these people absolutely like his heroin addiction was so severe I think his teeth rotted out of his mouth. And he was, like, dead,

like, he was dead for, like, four days before he died. Yes. Like, the whole... Right. And, I mean, if you see footage of him

at the end of his life, like, he looks like he weighs, like, 95 pounds, soaking wet. I feel like the Alice in Chains unplugged was, like, the last time he ever performed live.

Am I wrong? Yes, that's actually true, and that is a great performance, the unplugged by Alice in Chains. Yeah, he sounds great there and that's like, yeah, near the end. Even that last album they put out with the three-legged dog on the cover with Grind and stuff and

Heaven Beside You. That was not a bad album. That was decent. Solid band and great grunge sound plotted through that. And a lot of it, I know we talked about Jerry Cantrell and stuff, but the vocals of Layne Staley, though, are amazing. And I know earlier I did say that I've seen,

and I think Stu saw them as well, we've seen Alice in Chains since they changed their singer. But he sounds like Layne, but I think that's a credit that you have to almost clone. Well, the guy from Journey sounds like Steve Staley. Well, I was going to say, this is like the grunge journey now gowan uh gowan uh with sticks sounds a lot like uh is his name dennis the young maybe that's the young that's right you know when i was young the only miss the only stick song i knew was mr roboto great song yeah but you also knew more you know sail away well eventually yeah uh should. It's about a boat sailing away. Why not?

I'll give it to it. Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald. There's a Pearl Jam song called Love Boat Captain. I'm wondering if that's yacht rock as well. Okay. So let's just get to it. Let's not even waste another second. Let's hear another Lane Staley jam that was on my list, by the way.

Yeah, we had a little chat about this one. Right. And then I said, Cam, you take it. Here we go. I love this song. Is this grunge? Let's listen and then we'll talk. It's not Alice in Chains. I know what it is. It's a solo song.

Seems like you like the lighter kind of hits Yeah, like yellow lead better You don't like the aggressive I like the light stuff too, by the way Yeah You're the Otrog man Yeah, why not And everybody, listen to the lyrics This is Layne Staley

And he's talking about his addiction clearly And it's kind of haunting to know he passes away Not too long after I want to download this song Especially this opening line I always thought this was haunting River of Deceit River of Deceit

Mad Season From 1995 My Pain Is that a super group? Sorry, your pain or your just River of Deceit by The Bin. Mad Season. Mad Season from 1995. My Pain. Is that a super group? Sorry, your pain or your just... That line, my pain is self-chosen. To me, he's talking about addiction. Yeah, self-referential songs.

Top five. So the prophet says But I like Stu's question because it doesn't have those guitars. I mean, look at his last three picks. Yeah, you're picking grungy bands. This is grunge to me. What? This is grunge. Obviously, you think so.

Still grunge. You guys are fucking confusing the hell out of me. Stu, you've already acknowledged anything that Edge would play that came out between 91 and 96 or whatever. Mad season with members of Pearl Jam Screaming Trees. Do you know which members of Pearl Jam?

It's just Mike McCready. He's the one I believe who did not come from Mother Love Bone. I believe you're right. So yeah, this was again a super group, grunge super group of types. It's a grunge song. So thank you're right. So yeah, this was again a super group, grunge super group of types. That's a grunge song. So thank you very much.

So this is Mike McCready of Pearl Jam. We had Barrett Martin of the Screaming Trees. Maybe we'll be hearing from them. We certainly talked about them. We did a few stu-woop mosh to them with Soul Asylum, the grunge band. Who's the third? Spin Doctors. I was going to say it was Hogan.

Hogan, the third spin doctors I was going to say it was Hogan the third man and yeah vocals by the late Great Lane Staley kind of a one and done affair similar to Temple of the Dog I guess grunge super group this album Mad Season came out in 1995 this was I think the only song that got radio play this is the only song from that album that got radio play

but was a pretty big hit from what I recall. It was all over CFNY back in the day. It's been following me ever since on playlists and such. And I didn't realize, sadly, Layne Staley is not the only member of Mad Season who's no longer with us. The bassist, John Baker Saunders, who's not in a grunge band. He came from a band called The Walkabouts. He actually passed away in the late 90s,

in January of 1999. So, God, he's been dead. Him and Layne Zale have been dead both more than 20 years, which kind of makes you think. But anyway, the aforementioned John Baker Saunders actually met Mike McCready in a Minneapolis drug rehab facility,

Homo Solus Island in Minneapolis in 1994. In Prince. Sure. And after completing in Target. Bob Dylan, by the way. There's a lot of industry there, like 3M and Target and some other places. Right. So after completing treatment, Saunders and McCready returned to Seattle

in a foreign band called the Gacy Bunch with vocalist Lane Staley. Is that named after John Wayne Gacy? Correct, yeah. Much like the Marilyn Manson band. They all did that, right? It was kind of a thing, yeah. Like kind of a serial killer fetish. Twiggy, I'm trying to remember.

Twiggy Ramirez. Yes, Twiggy Ramirez. Yeah. So anyways, they quickly ditched that name and renamed themselves Mad Season, went in the recording studio and just recorded this album called, and I'll correct myself, it was not called Mad Season, it was called Above. Oh, yeah, yeah, right.

It's called Above, right? And this is the only album they did. That's right. And this is the big hit. And this is a gold record. It's a great jam. Yeah, I do feel like you would see this CD used a lot. Like probably sold a lot of copies

because of the pedigree of the members. Well, that's back in the time. I know this because all my money I made at Food City went towards CDs. I will say we used to buy CDs for like one song. Yeah. And I will say... Like 17, 18 bucks.

No, it's like a real choice. Think about that for a minute. Now we just fucking steal it or stream it or whatever. I will say that the Wikipedia entry for Mad Season is very robust. Please, listeners, check your own. I'll say the final thing about Mad Season. They actually did get back together and play Mad Season songs. Mark Lanigan of Screaming Trees was in and out of the group.

And also a bunch of stuff with Songs for the Deaf. Oh, Josh Holme. Josh Hol homie what's his name called the queens of stone age queens of the stone age there's a bunch of land yeah so anyway the the last appearance by something called mad season came in 2015 um an event called sonic evolution with the seattle symphony orchestra you talk about like how far grunge came um so this was actually a fundraising event that happened in 2015. Duff McKagan filled in. Oh my God, from Guns N' Fuccon' Roses. Yeah, and guess who filled in vocals for Layne Staley?

None other than Chris Cornell. Wow. The late great. So it all comes around. Regardless of whether this is a grunge band or not, I think this is a fantastic song. Yeah, glad we could hear it. The campus gets a pass? First of all, this is not grunge band or not, I think this is a fantastic song. Yeah, glad we could hear it. Can't just get to pass?

First of all, this is not an exact science. I should point that out. Much like Yacht Rock, it's not an exact science. Let's play some Radiohead. Let's get back to the grunge. The best grunge song we're going to play, I think it'll be Green Day, Time of Your Life. Here we go. I wouldn't consider that to be grunge, no. Do you want to preface this? I'm sorry I put

it out of order, but I did check the notes. I did fuck up. Oh. I should have. You want to preface this? Yes. I'm sorry I put it out of order. I did check the notes. I did fuck up. Oh. I should have played this song before. This is not my last song. No, this is not your last song. Oh, man. I thought we were almost done.

This is so exciting. We have so much, plenty of show left. Hang in there, Stu. I think you're going to poke him a bit. Make sure he doesn't fall asleep. Let's do this. Okay, here we go.

Yeah. Oh, come on. See, I'm listening to the guitars. Is this the golf video? Yeah. He's like the Alice Cooper of indie rock in terms of his scratch golfer, Jay Masters. It's kind of like...

Picture Hayden. Yeah, I agree. I agree. That's fair. Wow, I've never thought... Wow, that's pretty spot on. Sounds a lot like Hayden. We need like an in September feel.

Girl of my dreams. So this is Dinosaur Jr. Feel the pain. I was going to play this back to back with Smashing Pumpkins because here's another example of an outfit, a band, Dinosaur Junior, where the lead singer is playing all the instruments on the recording. Jay Maskis is another talented young man at the time

who is literally playing everything you hear pretty much on the Dinosaur Junior records, specifically this song. I think we saw them together. I think we saw a head open for Dinosaur Junior records and specifically this song. I think we saw them together. I think we saw Head open for Dinosaur Junior at one of those shows, or I was there for sure, and it opened my eyes to who these guys were.

And I also remember seeing this movie, I can't remember the name of it, but it was like with Matt Dillon, and he played like a Beach Boys kind of Brian Wilson-ish singer, and Jay Maskis was in the movie. Oh, shit, yes. And he sings a song with Burt Bacharach, and it sort of Brian Wilson-ish singer. And Jay Maskis was in the movie. Oh, shit. And he sings a song with Burt Bacharach. And it sort of opened my eyes to him.

There's something about Mary. No. Yeah. It wasn't like a popular movie. Yeah, I know the movie you're talking about. He was in a movie called... What's Gas Food Lodging? Is that like Gus Van zand or something again like

i'm not a video for the pogues fairy tale of new york jay oh matt this band by the way originally were called dinosaur until uh legal issues forced them to add the junior to the name and it's not even really a band because it's really just jay mascus solo album is kind of what you're listening to. Although this version of Dinosaur Jr. was basically a solo project. Yes. And it's really good. I like it. Well, famously, Stu's cousin, someone we bring up

a lot, DJ Farbs, he dressed up as the cover art of this album without a sound by Dinosaur Jr. when they played at Massey Hall on Halloween Day. I don't know why I remember this. You probably remember. He was dressed up like the cover art.

October 31st, 1994, Donnister Jr. that night playing Massey Hall. Wow. Stu's cousin dresses up like the cover and actually brought the CD. Because everyone, like, who are you? You had to reference the CD. Everyone thought it was Barf from Spaceballs. We've talked about this before. Or Barf from You Can't Do That on Television.

What do you think? Alanis Morissette was on that show. Don't say I don't know. Moose. Dinosaur JR. That'd be problematic. Much like how Bush was Bush X, Dinosaur Jr. was Dinosaur Jr.

The Verve pipe? That's right. That'd be problematic. It's much like how Bush was Bush X. Dinosaur Jr. was Dinosaur Jr. Yeah, there's a few of those. Like the Verve, like the Verve pipe. Is that? That's right, the Verve pipe. There's a few of them. The London, what's the UK, something UK. Charlottesville, UK. Well, even Suede in the US went by the London Suede,

but in Canada, they could still be Suede. And Bush X, famously. Yeah, well my Bush album says Bush X on it. That's worth money, by the way. I think a lot were sold, though. Bush X. Oh man, okay, Dinosaur Jr. Yeah, I remember the video. Great song.

It is a great song. And I did check the receipts here. You wanted me to go from Alice in Chains to Pumpkins. No, you wanted me to do from Alice in Chains to Pumpkins. No. You wanted me to do Soul Asylum 2nd and then go into this one and then play Pumpkins. So I did fuck up. But we both fucked up. But I only switched it.

I lost my temper with you. You fucked up my playlist. So I apologize. Do you know the song Ween? You fucked up? Not Grunge. And that's not Weedus, Teenage Bird Bang. Yeah, definitely not. That is almost Grunge.

I feel like Ween had an album cover with just boobs on it or something. They did. And remember... Like Mother's Melt. Pushed a little daces. Also, the Black Crows had a pubic area on their cover. That's right, yeah. Wow.

Okay. It's real sticky fingers. This is the first appearance by a band that most people think of first when they think of grunge. This is the first one. Here we go. My fourth grunge jam. You're four for four.

Stu approves. i'm so happy because today i found my friends in my head i'm so ugly that's okay because so are you We'll go here Sunday mornings Every day for all I care And I'm not scared Not my candles in our days Cause I found God Yeah, yeah Yeah, yeah

Yeah, yeah I'll have to come back for the next part. I'm so lonely the band Nirvana on this episode. Well, we've been sort of keeping it a secret. Like circling the drain on... Surprise! But if you're going to say... This band. You know, Nirvana, Pearl Jam are the Beatles and Stones of this era. Which one is the Stones and which one is the Beatles? I would say that in real life,

if you were to compare the Beatles and Stones, Nirvana should probably be the Stones because they're the edgier one. But if you look at how things worked out, the Stones are still going

much like Pearl Jam is still going. That's a good analogy. So maybe these guys are the Beatles but I know that Smells Like Teen Spirit definitely birthed the entire fucking movement. But 10 was already in the can before Nevermind came out. I'm talking about the impact

that Smells Like Teen Spirit and the music in your head. The famous story of course is that Michael Jackson's Dangerous was number one, was replaced by this, but no one ever finishes that story to say that Michael Jackson was back on top the next week. So nobody likes to tell that story. Not relevant. Yeah.

But here, I'm here to tell you you're absolutely right. Michael Jackson was back on top of who, though, at the time. So we're all... I'm cally talking. Well, you're the child star of that era. We should be asking you that. Well, it's real talk. You want to get into that, we can. Corey Feldman's online, too. So, okay. I'm collie talking Well you're the child star Of that era We should be asking you We'll talk You want to get into that

We can Corey Feldman's online too So okay So All three of us Were in high school With Nevermind Drops Sure

Right Right Hell yes Grade 9 This is me in grade 9 I would say that the bridge Between Nirvana getting there Was like Red Hot Chili Peppers

Had their moment With like Under the Bridge And Bad Record Oh that's Blood Sugar Sex Magic. Blood Sugar Sex Magic sort of warmed us up to rock music. Yeah, because Suck My Kiss.

That was a grunge song, right? But this changed everything this release. The video, we've talked about Weird Al. Once Weird Al covered it, it sort of took it to another level.

By the way, Lithium's a great fucking song. The whole record is. Start to finish. This is a playthrough album. But Something in the Way, is that grunge? Yeah, I think so. That song's haunting.

Did you guys have, remember there was two versions of the CD? One had the hidden track and one didn't. I had the hidden track. Yeah, I had the cheapo non-hidden track. Wasn't that Something in the Way? Yeah, it comes on after that. Yeah, I had the cheapo non-hidden track. Wasn't that Something in the Wave? Yeah, it comes on after that. Yeah, it was like 20 minutes after.

It was just like, Death! Violence! Yeah. Right. But a lot of CDs at that time, I had a lot of CDs. One day had a secret track. It was to say the aforementioned

No Alternative had a Nirvana hidden track. If, if you kill yourself. Stone Temple Pilots Purple, right? That song is called Sappy. Court First Sappy. Yeah. Stone Temple Pilots Purple right that song is called Sappy Sappy Sappy yeah Stone Temple Pilots

Purple had a hidden track right like a like a show tune or something yeah just 12 little melodies Green Day had like a masturbation song

all by myself all by myself and of course Offspring I believe I think Offspring had a but you know what Cracker had the best

I was going to say they had like three yeah and Eurot Trash Girls. Track 99. Which, again, was like a single. Like it was something you would hear on the radio. And I love Euro Trash Girls. Is Cracker grunge based?

You ready for it to come full time? Low is kind of grungy. So that infamous day at Molson Park in Barrie, I talked about seeing Pearl Jam in 98. On the small stage, not only is Hayden on that small stage, but Crackerden on that small stage, but Cracker is on that small stage.

Not to be confused with Uncle Cracker. No, that's right. Not Grunge. No, not Grunge. Can I give another shout out to my blog? It's topical to this. Of course. We need more blogs. We were talking about this in our DM thread,

how if you look at all the songs released in the nineties, Wonderwall is the most streamed on Spotify and smells like teen spirit is the second most stream song. But this was shared by a Twitter account called Britpop memories. So I got into like conversation. I don't even know who runs that account, but I was talking to that guy. It's like,

I think it's really interesting. I like Oasis and Nirvana and also like biggie and tupac have really endured but there's other stuff that doesn't be at least based on spotify play count stuff like nine inch nails right yeah or stone temple polish just the play counts aren't there but this stuff got late to the game they didn't have their music up on the streaming services until later yeah yeah which is probably like why also like i saw this i'm trying to do an 80s version. Michael Jackson is not really that high and I think it's what Stu described. It's sort of just a timing thing.

Interesting. Yeah, I find all that very, very interesting. You need to get Ivan Pehar on here. Interesting. Well, he's your bud. You bring him in. You're friends with him. I think Oasis is a very...

I only met him that one time at Twitter office. I think Oasis is a very interesting case study here because Oasis' first album, the Supersonic album, is very grungy, but then they sort of become a commercial rock, you know, top

40 band. Beatles-esque. Right, but their original outfit is sort of like English grunge. Yeah, it's crunchy, big crunchy guitars and the grunge band. Are you about to play some Oasis? Did I just spoil something?

Wonderwall is a grunge song, right, Steve? No, it is not, but it is an anthem. Yeah. Maybe Champagne Supernova. No, I'm talking about Supersonic specifically. By the way, do you guys like Wonderwall? I think it's fine. I never really understood the appeal of it.

Oh, I actually really like it. At that really understood the appeal of it. Just for that level. It's a great song. It's also one of some songs, although for me it's a lot of songs, but that's a song you can't help but sing along to. You pick up a guitar, you can play it. I really like it, but again, that's another episode. The enduring appeal of Wonderwall fascinates me.

I think it's a good song. I don't get why it's at that level. I think it's a classic 90s song. Sure. Here is a jam that was already kicked out by Stu Stone, but Cam Gordon's going to kick it out. I'm going to start this thing, and then I'm going to disappear for 30 seconds.

So you guys listen, and then I'll come right back. Are you peeing? Yeah, I got to pee so fucking bad. All right. Here is Cam Gordon's fifth jam. Final jam. Final jam. Oh, shit.

I love this song. Yeah. You know, me and you have something in common. What's that? Because if I was going to pick my five quote-unquote grunge songs

that are my favorite, they would all be these more mellower songs. Yeah. Like, this is one of my favorite songs ever. Yeah. I mean, this is like a

maybe the best pumpkin song. I think so. I think you're right. And they played it live at the last show. I'm so jealous I did not see that show. Next time you'll come with me. Yes.

The production is just so crisp, too. Yeah. This was, I think Butch Figg did this. Of course. All the good shit. This was, I think Butch Vague did this. Of course, all the good shit. This was on the single soundtrack also? Yeah, I think it was the final track, I believe.

This just sort of worked out to be their formulaic sort of approach to a lot of their big songs. Yeah. And then it gets big. Yeah. Yeah, because they weren't really loud, quiet, loud. They were sort of quiet, quiet, quiet, loud, quiet. But to me, it's like the culture. That's how I was trying to group Soul Asylum

specifically. Like, the culture of grunge, they were a part of it. I would say if it came back to something to shove or somebody to shove, if that didn't come out in 1992, if that came out in, like, 1995, I would say maybe not a grunge song. And probably not even a hit

because that's part of the reason why that... Was that before? I feel like that was before Runaway Train. Maybe not a grunge song. And probably not even a hit because that's the reason why that. Was that before? I feel like that was before Runaway Train. Yeah. And it was kind of like a decent size hit and then Runaway Train came. It was just like massive. Mike, you got back just for the best part to come in. I'm back, everybody.

You should bring a perk set for this part. I have some for you. You want some? Yes. Because I don't need them. This wrist is... He just built these shreddings. Yeah. Like, here, this part. Is it something someone said? He does Billy Shredding.

Yeah. Like, here, this part. Easily one of the best guitarists of the 1990s. But underrated because people weren't aware of it. Yeah. By the way, Mike, this is the 12-minute version, right? The 7-bit outro. Anyway, we haven't even said this is Drowned by the Smashing

Pumpkins from 1992. Mike, this is the final song on the single soundtrack, right? Is it the last song on the album? Am I matching that? I was going to wear my Smashing Pumpkins t-shirt today. I was leaving the house with it on, but then I'm like, I spotted the Seattle Sonics jersey,

and I'm like, hmm. Also good. Also good. Because of the... More apropos. The X-Man there. Apropos? Yeah.

Grunchy. Yeah, yeah. That's all about a new music search. Maybe that same one we're talking about. No, no. Po played at Eden Music Fest. Anyways, you're right. Drown is the final song on the single soundtrack.

After I nearly lost you then. We might not get to those guys. Speaking of grunge. That song Grunge, because that's got a Soul Asylum kind of feel to it. I nearly lost you there. And if you're not going to call somebody to shove grunge,

Mike, then maybe you have to not say screaming trees. What are we getting at here? We need to settle this. I am so hot. Do you smell skunk or is that me? That might be Kareem. You can find in the Facebook Yacht Run group. I got to join that group. Yeah, he invited me too.

I didn't get the invite. Is he your Facebook friend? I didn't get the invite. I don't think, is he your Facebook friend? I don't use Facebook.com. Forward slash Cam Gordon. Good choice, man. Good choice. And that's your final selection.

So if I read, just to review, Cam Gordon, this is quite, he's such a contrarian. Head. Yeah. Yellow Leadbetter from Pearl Jam,

which is a band that has lots of Gornish songs. Big Empty by Stone Temple Pilots. River of Deceit by Mad Season, which I also had. Absolutely. Nice little chat.

And Smashing Pumpkins. Four out of the five, four to five of his songs. 80% of his songs were soft songs. Which I'm okay with. I was going to say one just fun fact about drown this song

was actually recorded at the uh waterfront studios who's owned by somebody i'm not sure if this guy's grunge lenny kravitz not no get out of here okay i'm just not just asking get out of town i don't know if like fucking oasis is a grunge band no i didn't say that either i just said their first suggested it come on and i don't there's no way green day is a grunge band. No, I didn't say that either. I just said their first album. You suggested it. Come on. And there's no way Green Day is a grunge band. I didn't say that Green Day was a grunge band. By the way, there's totally a skunk somewhere. I will say that.

I didn't say Green Day was a grunge band. I just said that their music came out during the same time, so it's murky waters. Well, murky for you. I would say much like that skunk, this takes a stink. Stu finishes strong, and he's got some mind blows, multiple mind blows. So we're going to need another 90 minutes for this.

But this is the final jam selected by Stu Stone, and I don't think there'll be any arguments. This is a fucking grunge song. Come as you are, as you were As I want you to be As a friend, as a friend, as I'm no enemy. Take your time, hurry up, the choice is yours, don't be late. Take a rest, as a friend, as I'm no memory. All right. Come As You Are,

Butch Vig produced from the classic album, the quintessential grunge album, Nevermind, by the quintessential grunge act. Perhaps the band that embodies what it is. There's no controversy surrounding Nirvana when it comes to grunge. They are grunge. And basically the whole movement of grunge sort of spans until Kurt Cobain passes away. It's pretty much when it started heading downhill after that.

But this is, there's some really fun facts about this song. First of all, let's shout out not just Kurt Cobain, but let's shout out his other bandmates, Dave Grohl on drums, and you know the third member?

Chris Novoshek. Yeah, Chris Novoshelek. Also very tall. He's like 6'8 or something. Yeah, and surprisingly conservative, right? Yeah, he says some like problematic things, if you like. Right. Because he was like a big environmental advocate and stuff for many years.

This song was... Can I guess what you're going to say? No, no. I don't think you're going to guess it. Can I guess? It was supposed to be the first single of Nevermind. No, the second single. In Bloom was supposed to be... No, no, sorry. This was supposed to be... It was between this and In Bloom for the second single.

The record company went with this one. My story I heard, and you'll tell me I'm wrong, is that Kurt didn't want to put Smells Like Teen Spirit out because he thought it was too much like Boston's More Than a Feeling. No. There was two versions of In Bloom, was there not? Two videos.

Was it two videos? The one where he's like a 50s band or whatever. Yeah, that's a good one. And the other, they're just like walking around. Yeah, it's black and white or something. I'll tell you what I got on here. Okay, sorry. The unexpected success of the album's lead single,

Smells Like Teen Spirit, drew Nirvana to mainstream success with Nevermind being released two weeks after the single's release. Following the album's release, the band and its management debated whether to release Come As You Are or In Bloom as the next single. I'll tell you about Cobain's concerns with this song shortly, but this ended up coming out second. And guys, this is a really fun fact. This is the second and final Nirvana entry

into the top 40 on the US charts, the mainstream top 40. Nirvana never came back there again. Can I ask, is that because they didn't release singles? I couldn't tell you why. I think Billboard had a rule back then. You had to release your song as a single. I feel like they had singles. I couldn't tell you why. I think Billboard had a rule back then. You had to release your song as a single. I feel like they had singles. I felt like they did too.

Was it all apologies? I never bought a Nirvana single. I bought lots of Pearl Jam singles, but I never bought a Nirvana single. Second and to date last American Top 40 hit. Reaching number 32 on the Billboard Hot 100 and number 9 on the UK charts.

Middling. Now, the reason why Kurt Cobain didn't want to release that song is because he was afraid that it sounded too much like this song. Thanks for the heads up, Stu. Okay, this song. Oh, here's my mind blows are about to start. Here's where I redeem myself. Wait, we just heard this song. Wait, here's my mind blows. We're about to start. Here's where I redeem myself. Wait, we just heard this song.

Wait a minute. What is this? I'm about to blow your mind. He's smarter with the glasses on, right? Yeah. Wow, very similar. Very similar. There's no way this song came before Come As You Are.

It did. So, now, while Kurt Cobain is accused of sort of being inspired by a lot of bands that he listened to in the 80s, this was perhaps one of them, Killing Joke. This song is called 80s. And this is really where things start to get interesting. There are rumors floating around and skirting around that the Killing Joke are threatening to pursue legal action

For royalties for Come As You Are Because this clearly sounds a lot like this song And the case was never really proceeded to court But what ended up happening was Dave Grohl, as part of a settlement Agrees to play drums for killing jokes next album which he does oh that's wow that's amazing so dave grohl plays drums on killing jokes next album that they release following this sort of lawsuit that

doesn't happen we'll come to find out killing joke never actually made that lawsuit because they knew in their back pocket that they themselves did not come up with this either. In fact, there are several examples. Before Killing Joke released their song, here's another example. I'm assuming you're going to play it in the right order here. I don't want to let you down twice.

This is a band. This is Garden of Delight, 22 Faces. Oh, no, no. That's not what this is. That's not this song. This is The Damned. Well, then you played it in the wrong order. Twice.

This is the first song. This is the song that everybody ripped off. This is The Damned. Life Goes On. everybody ripped off This is the damned Life Goes On I really did fuck this up You did and I sent it to you It's okay I think it's Because I'm so hot in this card

So Killing Joke never sues Nirvana Because they're advised Well wait a minute Let's do this right I'm coming out of that This is the one Killing Joke said I'm not suing you Nirvana

Because I know this one exists Yes This is Garden one Killing Joke said. I'm not suing you, Nirvana, because I know this one exists. Yes. This is Garden of Delight. Yes. Oh, my God. Deja vu. Yes, this is great. Garden of Delight, 22 faces.

So Killing Joke's like, their lawyer's like, wait a minute. Don't pursue this because then this band's going to come out and say that you stole it from them. Okay, when is this Garden of Delight? Killing Joke came out in 84. Garden of Delight came out in 83. Okay, now then let's finish the loop here. Stop. So when is The Damned? The Damned is 1980.

1980? So that's like their second album or something. Okay, so this again, if it sounds familiar, I played it a moment ago. This is the damn. Here is the song that they all copied. So there are four

literal songs that have the same. Wow. I love these mind blows. I don't know when you started these. So, you know, I think that

it all started on the episode where songs we didn't realize were covers and I've just been doing songs we didn't realize

were covers since then. Sounds like a Cam song. Yeah. But it's all bass. Like, it's just the bass. But also the notes. Yeah, yeah. I still think Nirvana is probably the best one.

While you're playing this, I want to make a couple shout-outs before we move on. Please, then I have a couple of FOTM comments to read to you. I want to shout-out Pearl Jam and Nirvana, obviously. I want to shout-out Soundgarden. I want to shout-out Weezer. But Weezer's not great. I'm just saying, for me, personally, if you're asking me to play songs that I contribute, I would have maybe picked Say It Ain't So or one of these songs.

Like Buddy Holly is not good. Well, listen. It's my shout-outs. Okay, I'm sorry. The Green Day Dookie album. Love that album. Great album. The Screaming Trees.

I drink to that. Stone Tumbo Pilots. Yeah. Early Tool that I discovered during this era, which isn't necessarily grunge, but I'm just saying that my realization of this music, which isn't necessarily grunge, but I'm just saying that my realization of this music stems from Nirvana becoming popular. And also, there are... All alt-rock.

There are a ton of Canadian grunge offerings that were as good as their American counterparts as far as I'm concerned, but we'll get to those another time. I'm happy that Cam played ahead, but I know that there was a lot of Canadian grunge that sort of came out around that same time.

Alt-Rock, if you will. Eric's Trip. Sloan. Sloan for sure. That Underwhelm song. But I will say Nirvana changed. Stuff Smeared is the only Sloan album that has grunge on it. I think that's fair. I will say Nirvana changed the world. And Butch Vig, the guy responsible for the sound of Nirvana's

records and Sonic Youth's records and so many other big albums of the era. So shout out to all of them. And Nevermind is the best grunge album of all time. So in, there's a, I don't even want to reveal this exists, but there's a secret place where there's some FOTM chatter. Okay, I'm just going to say that. And they were discussing Somebody to Shove is a grunge. And it looks like the early consensus is... That doesn't count, by the way.

No, it doesn't count. Because that guy just doesn't like anything I do. Although Michael Lang says it's grunge-ish. Now, the question I have from this guy, Brother Neil, he wants to know if you think Stew Stone, do you think Collective Soul is grunge? No. Well, I was going to say the song,

their first single, Shine. Oh, let your light shine. Let it shine. Maybe it's because it was on the Wayne's World soundtrack. It always reminds me of a version of Drown by Smashing Pumpkins. It's like the guitar a little bit. It's a good song. That song might be grungy.

That was the big song that summer. I remember that was a big song. Is Candlebox grungy? I have a very good anecdote about Shine by Collective Soul. Okay, go. I'll try to be quick. Okay. I've talked at times about my years working at Cannes Wonderland.

I worked at a pop stand one summer, like, selling, like, Pepsi and, like, soft pretzels. It was very close to this stage where all the costume characters at the top of the hour would get together and do like a little performance. Like Fred Flintstone? Yeah. And like Captain Capon.

Exactly. Right. I remember. But they would call it Rockapalooza. Okay. And it would almost be like a 10-minute review of like songs of that like summer. Of which kind of genre though? Sort of just like stuff you would hear on the radio. Which would be

what? Rock music. Specifically though. Fine. It was all grunge. Okay. But anyway, point being Collective Soul's Shine was in the mix here. Okay, well then that's all the proof we needed. So once an hour on the hour, I would hear fucking like Pebbles Flintstones

singing Shine for like a minute well he worked in the funnel cake place so he didn't have to endure this but i swear to god i would hear that eight times a day five days a week for like two months like it fucking sucked i got a jam to go anyway this is our longest pandemic friday i was gonna're almost at two and a half hours. We had a lot to argue about. Now, okay,

let me kick out and I'm going to let this go. We're passionate. This song blows my fucking mind, guys. I'm totally going to just... What's left? What Toronto Maple Leaf

video? There's a band we haven't played yet. Is this a Cujo video or a Pat Burns thing? I think it's a Pat Burns I've taken enough shots for my Hero of the Day

selection. Two weeks ago. Lisa the best. Is that Grunge? Yeah, from the East Coast to the West. Is that Grunge? Well, Jamie McCallum was in it. Oh, yeah.

That's a great video. I like that video. Okay. My final selection. I fucking enjoyed this. Thanks so much. It's a good topic. Let's go. It's tragically hip.

I think it's Primus, isn't it? Well, I noticed that way around Beaver. Oh, yeah. That's not what this is. Sounds like it. Is it? Wait for it. Wait for it, boys.

This is Soundgarden from Bad Motor Finger. Yeah, I was going to say. This is when they were a rock band before they were at Grunjacks. Well, this album had Rusty Cage and O'Shine. This is heavy as hell. Here it comes. Best vocalist of the era. Yeah. Lock on. Fucking heavy, right?

Like, what a heavy jam. Anyway, you said it there, Stu. 100%. He, Chris Cornell, was the best vocalist of the bunch. I can't, you know, he's, I know all of them, okay? I know all of them. Yeah, Scott Weiland, addict died uh not too long ago actually but you know kurt's been dead since 94 when he put a bullet in his head uh lane staley we talked about his sad demise you know andrew wood was gone before they broke uh i this guy i still can't

believe shannon well he's not grunge no that's not grunge he He was doing backups for Axl Road. Grunge and Roses. Yeah, he had an overdose. Well, then you could throw in the guy. Then you could throw in Bradley Noel from Sublime. But a lot of premature deaths due to heroin. Absolutely. Jeff Buckley.

Right. But I still can't believe Chris Cornell's dead. Yeah, this was a shocker because this came out of, like, left field, really. It was like in a Detroit. They were in Detroit, right? Yeah, they were in a hotel room after a show. I feel like Chester Bennington killed himself, like, same way, like, two months later. On Chris Cornell's birthday.

That's so strange. And they were BFFs, and Bennington played, sang Hallelujah at the funeral for Chris Cornell. I feel like, like, Leonard Cohen died. Like, this was all, like, it was at the funeral for Chris Cornell. I feel like Leonard Cohen died. This was around the time Leonard Cohen died, too. God, what a bummer. I didn't think it was right to do a Pandemic Friday tribute to grunge and not play. Saw these guys a few times live.

And Audioslave I saw live but uh always impressive uh vocals and uh underrated uh musician overall i think that he was pretty prolific uh musician i think you got you hear kim thale over there and can i ask about the vocalist so we all agree chris cornell one who do you have as two probably lane staley Staley. Like, is it Grunge? I think it's Ed Vedder. Am I wrong? Yeah, because, well, like, Alice in Chains, they always struck me as, like, the Def Leppard of Grunge because they were, like, a lot of layered vocals.

And you're going to say this isn't Grunge, but Maynard from Tool is, you know, that's a vocalist right there. Dave Perner, you know, his rip-roaring vocals. Eddie Vedder's a good singer. No, but I'm talking about the grunge acts of these guys. I think Eddie Vedder's a good singer. I think his delivery

definitely inspired a ton of people that followed him, for sure. Actually, what's his name? Mark Lanigan's a good vocalist, too. Very gravelly, but with soul. Is it me, or is it Our Lady Peace? Some of their songs have like a Billy Corgan vibe

vocals sounding. Like clumsy? Yeah, doesn't that sound like Smashing Pumpkins a little bit? Not that that's a bad thing. Shout out to FOTM. I think Our Lady Peace is grunge, by the way. Are you being serious? I think Starseed and Navid are grunge songs.

I'm here to tell you. If Superman is dead, I would say it was probably at the end. Late, late, late grunge. Not are grunge songs. Okay, so I'm here to tell you. Superman is dead, I would say. Okay, late, late, late. Not a grunge song. I would say it is. It's subjective, I suppose. I don't believe so. Maybe he'll tell us. I would totally agree that album.

Navid is very grunge. Navid? Is it a grunge album? Yeah, Navid. Grunge influence. I mean, whether it's grunge. Well, influence. What does that mean?

I can't live here anymore. That's all wrong. There's moshing in the video. To me, whether it's grunge... Well, influence. What does that mean? I can't live here anymore. That's alt-rock. There's moshing in the video. To me, that's a classic alternative rock. It's us, da-da. Oh, you guys are killing me. Okay, so... Julia?

Is Julia... No, Automatic Flowers. Is that a grunge song? Oh, that... 4AM. Seether. Seether. Seether, actually.

Ow! Seether. You could talk me to that. Seether is neither. You could talk me to that. Seether is neither. You could talk me to that one for sure. You are crazy. No,

I think you're not stupid. I love you, man. And I fucking so glad you guys are here to do this with me tonight. Like, I really,

really enjoyed. Well, final thought on this. Where is like, I love the Yacht Rock stuff we can do, but this was like the music of our lives

and the music of our youth too. Like, I feel this is a lot more relatable. Here's a band that got played on Edge 102 in the early 90s like crazy. Are you going to tell me Lowest of the Low is a grunge band? Tell me. Some other material. Ron Hawkins is scheduled to be

sitting right where you are right now. Ask him if any of his early stuff that was on the radio. Ask him if any of his early stuff Ask him if any of his early stuff that was on the radio. None of Lois of the Lowe's Shakespeare My Bite. What about Motel 30? It's pretty heavy, like it rocks. Did his A&R ever say to him,

can you make it a little more grungy? Maybe, but he's more punk than he is fucking grunge. He's got a fuzz pedal. And he's got that whole jangly pop sound. There's no grunge in Lois of the Lowe's. Billy Bragg of Canada. When's he coming by, Mike? What's on the show tomorrow? It might be late next

week, actually, that Ron Hawkins brings his guitar, sits right there, and does, like, I'm going to have my own edge fest. Oh my god, can we come? You, Cam Gordon, are welcome anytime to crash any party. Just Cam? I saw your gal pal hiding in the bushes when I had the leader of the Liberal Party here.

She would totally come. Thanks, guys, for doing this. I enjoyed that. Stu, no hard feelings. Of course not. It's fun debates. I love Toronto Mike, and it's all love. Happy birthday to his wife.

I love Stu Stone. I love grunge music. And listen, if we didn't have differing opinions, this show would suck. So that's the whole point of it. Absolutely. And thank you, Cam, for bringing Stu Stone into my life. You're the one who did this. Yes.

You did this. You did this. 23 episodes of Pandemic Fridays. Cam is the Michael McDonald of Pandemic Fridays. Yeah. No problem. I'm Mike McCree. And that, is that 710?

That's a round number, I feel. Is that sort of a round number? Yeah, it is 710. Okay. And that brings us to the end of our 710? That's a round number, I feel. It's sort of a round number. Yeah, it is 710. Slow point. And that brings us to the end of our 710th show. You can follow me on Twitter. I'm at Toronto Mike. Stu is at Stu Stone.

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