Toronto Mike'd: The Official Toronto Mike Podcast - Humble and Fred Return: Toronto Mike'd #379

Episode Date: September 24, 2018

Mike chats with Humble and Fred about why they weren't renewed at SiriusXM, their move to Funny 820, Fred's current health woes, Howard's love life and the future of radio.

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And Census Design and Build, providing architectural design, interior design, and turnkey construction services across the GTA. I'm Mike from TorontoMike.com. And joining me are Toronto Radio legends, Humble and Fred. Good morning, Mike. Good morning, Mike. Good day, Mike. Hello, Michael. What does that mean, the beer remains in Ontario? It's so fresh, like they won't even truck it to BC.

Oh, they don't want it to lose any of its... You should check the dates on the bottom. In fact, let's do it right off the top, because I see you moved them. So I would tell you right in front of you. It's okay because there's no video here, but we'll pretend. This will be theater of the mind. But the six packs that were in front of you are yours, courtesy of Great Lakes Beer.

Thank you, Mike. And if you check the dates on the bottom, like this is no BS here. You're going to see, oh, that was like canned like eight days ago or something ridiculous like that. I should get you to check the date on my bottom, Mike. That's after the show. You should check the date on my bottom, Mike. That's after the show. You should check the date on his bag, on his urine bag. I noticed that my first observation

is Mike's in shorts and a T-shirt and wearing no socks or shoes. And I noticed that you have very nice toenail beds. Oh, my goodness. He's got... No one's noticed that before. Very nice toenail beds. Oh my goodness. I'm afflicted with some bit of toe fungus on my nail.

I don't know how to get rid of it. Are you getting treatment? I've read the treatment and it's very invasive. I don't need to. Invasive? In what way? You gotta take these pills. That's not invasive, is it?

I thought invasive meant cutting you open these pills. That's not invasive, is it? You got to take them for a year. I thought invasive meant like cutting you open. Well, in this particular case, it's more than I want to deal with. All right. The, there might be something like liquid paper, but like some kind of, you know what I mean? Something you can put on. No, there should be. But there should be.

I think there is. Have you talked to a doctor? I'm a little bit sensitive right now about feet because I don't know if you know, but I've been afflicted with gout in my big toe. Has that been diagnosed by a doctor? It's self-diagnosed. That doesn't count. You need to see a doctor.

I'm telling you it's gout, which surprised me when I found out I had gout, self-found out I had gout, because I figured by now gout would have been a thing in the past, like scurvy. I had gout because I figured by now gout would have been a thing in the past, like scurvy. It's a rich person's disease because it comes from the rich foods and creams and stuff.

I heard only wealthy people get this. No, I got mine from eating 7-Eleven chicken. That's a true story. Oh, the one on Islington. Islington and Norseman or whatever, yeah. Oh, I know it. My local 7-Eleven. All right, lots to...

I'm going to borrow this phrase from you, Howard. I heard you say it. Lots to unpack here. Lots to unpack here. Because you referenced the urine bag. Fred, are you comfortable sharing with us the health struggles you're currently dealing with? Yeah, I'm good with it. All right, so what do you have?

And did Howard diagnose you as well, or did you actually see a doctor? No, I've had ongoing prostate issues for years, and a large prostate, not cancer. And I've been treated over the past four or five years with medication, did not respond that well. It was determined that I was in retention, meaning I never completely emptied my bladder when I urinated. So the fix is to go in and, you know, physically, mechanically correct the problem. So when I went to the doctor a few months or a few weeks ago, several weeks ago now, he determined that I would have an operation called TURP. Very routine, apparently.

But my bladder needed a bit of a rest, so he put a catheter in, which I've been sporting for the past six weeks. And on the day after tomorrow, Wednesday, I have the surgery. And I knitted a maple leaf bag that he can store it in.

It's really quite attractive. Okay, so as we speak, you have it strapped to you. You have a ear and a back. Why are you pointing at your shoulder? Well, where's the bag? It's really quite a trap. Okay, so as we speak, you have it strapped to you. You have a gear in your back. Why are you pointing at your shoulder? Well, where's the bag? It's on my leg. It's strapped to his leg. Why would it be on my shoulder, Mike?

I'd have to piss up. That would be better, though. That'd be awesome if it was on your shoulder. It's like, hey, Fred, what do you got there? You got my piss sack. No, it's subtle. It's about 600 milliliters. It's on my leg.

And I'm constantly depositing. How often do you empty the bag? Like you go to a toilet and just dump it? Phil does that. No, there's a little tap on the bottom. It depends how much I drink. I have found I'm more comfortable when I'm drinking lots of water. Okay.

So quite often. Now, is it possible you'll determine that it's more convenient this way? Like maybe, you know what I mean? No, that's right. I see some positives here. Yeah. Because you led with not cancer, which I think is key. Like I'm going through some prostate stuff. You have to kind of scream out not cancer because everyone's going to assume you're dying of cancer.

Whenever I say it to people, when I first tell them, I have to watch that. Because I say I'm having prostate surgery, not cancer. Because the luck that people get on their face as soon you say prostate surgery it's like because they just assume cancer and it takes so many men are taken from us by prostate cancer where are they taking exactly very funny very few people are taken with the gouty toe. Yeah. Okay. Most of us survive. So I do wish, Howard, that you would see a doctor because I don't think...

When golf season's over, I'll see a doctor. It's like, you know, they have a new... I know where you live, so I can tell you very close to Royal York and Queensway, they have this like medical center

called Citrus, I think it's called. It's right beside the fire station, right there. You can walk in and see a doctor. They're really good over there, and you can tell them your symptoms. They'll look at it, and they'll say... First of all, Mike, I have a doctor.

Sharif is his name. Sharif Naveda. All right, because I think there may be treatments, maybe. Anyway, I'm sorry to hear you have gout. The thing is about gout, Howard, still widely diagnosed, easily fixed. Is that right? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Still widely diagnosed, easily fixed. Is that right? Oh, yeah.

How do you fix it? Well, you can do it through a diet. Well, you've got to stop eating 7-Eleven chicken. They have medication. Yeah, there's medication you can take. The irony is, though, one of the number one things that's wrong, or contributes to it, is red wine. Yeah.

And he stopped drinking red wine a couple of years ago. Yeah. So I just gave you a six-pack of beer, Howard, but you don't drink, right? No. Are you going to give that six-pack to Fred? Yes. Because he's a big, you became a big craft beer guy.

He loves his craft beer now. No more. Back in the old days, he didn't. 50s or whatever. Well, that's very nice of you, Howard. In the old days, he was like a crack canoe guy drinking some kind of thin, watery beer. You're right.

And now he's all about the craft beer. And I thank you very much for that, because I'll tell you, when I get home from the surgery, I'm going to be pounding the beers. Remind us, what day is the surgery? Tomorrow. No, Wednesday. Wednesday. So we'll say a prayer for you for Wednesday. No, don't. Thoughts and prayers. That scares me. Don't say a prayer. Oh, I was just being

funny, because we're atheists. I thought it was hilarious. Oh, yeah, okay, For that standpoint, yeah. Pray. I know, though. This is routine, man. This is like, you know, appendectomy or whatever. It's easy. You walk in, you walk out. It's fine. You'll be fine. I'm glad it's not cancer. Similarly, I had a bike crash and I broke my

pinky. True story. But I always led with, like, I go in a bike accident or whatever. I have to lead with, not with another car because everybody assumes a car hit me, but actually another bike cyclist hit me. So it's bike on bike. I see what you're doing. You're using a, you're trying to make a simile or a metaphor to an analogy.

Simile is like or as. Like or as to what Mr. Patterson is going through. And it's completely, completely different. I always forget the vocabulary you have for a man who doesn't have... Didn't finish grade 10. Right, which is amazing. No, I got my grade 10. So when did that happen, Mike?

I think about a month ago, maybe. Oh, okay. About a month ago. But I thought I... Well, I'm glad you don't have cancer. I don't have cancer. In your pinky. My pinky.

Whenever I tell people that I had a bike accident and I broke my pinky, they say, Cancer? Were you hit by cancer? So speaking of Great Lakes Brewery, they were the hosts for TMLX2. And Howard, you were there. And I want to thank you for making an appearance

at the Toronto Mic Listener Experience only about a week ago. Well, it was my pleasure. And I wouldn't miss it based on the fact that it was wildly convenient for me to stop by as it was 90 seconds

from where I live. It was as convenient for you as it was inconvenient for Fred, and I put this in the emails to you each. I'm like, Howard, you can roll there. I did.

I actually wheelbarrowed myself over there. It's all downhill. And Fred, I'm like, oh, you'll be comfy in Brampton. There's no chance you'll come to this, but you are invited, of course. No, I understand. I'll try and get to one, because I imagine there will be many more. But drinking beer and having a catheter bag don't go hand in hand.

Gouty toe and catheter man. You just need a bigger bag. You know what? I could bring my nighttime bag, but it would hang out my trousers. Or you could get one of those over-the-shoulder ones. No, but you realize, right? It's gravity. Because they even tell you when you have this, always have a mind that the bag

should be below your bladder. That's not your shoulder, mate. I thought of a side saddlebag thing. I was pointing to the side. Like a man bag. I'm just so delighted it's not cancer. No, it was great to see all those listeners of yours and the Toronto Mike people.

And I didn't stay long, but I did mention whatever I said that night I meant. You said nice things. Yeah, well, I meant them all. No, thank you kindly, kindly. And how are you feeling today? This is the day after Tiger Woods won. I'm sure you guys talked about this on your show,

which we're about to dive into, but do you feel like a proud father? Like, what is the sensation? I don't know. I mean, I was trying to think of it. Would it be similar to you guys, you know, Maple Leaf fans? Not really.

I mean, I've been a Tiger Woods fan since the 95 U.S. Amateur. It was the first time I'd ever heard of him. And, you know, it's weird because, as I explained on the show, all my friends, including Freddie, I got dozens of emails and texts and messages yesterday, mostly after it was over, because I don't really respond during the actual event. But it was great. You know, it was great for sport. And it transcends just a golf guy.

And to answer your question, I'm feeling great. It was an awesome thing. And, yeah, I had a little tear in my eyes. He came up 18, and that huge throng of people behind him. And I was happy for him and happy for me because I've been cheering for the guy for a long time. And I had a bet with our – actually, I didn't tell you who it was. It was our buddy from 5-Hour Energy. And I'd forgotten we had bet quite a few years ago. And I had bet him that Tiger would never win again. And seeing him win again was something I never thought I'd

see. So it was great. It was emotional. Didn't you watch it, Mike? I was following it. And then I went for a walk with the kids and I turned it on just as he finished that putt or whatever. And the graphic came on that he was the champion. So I did watch the post. But it was still in your mind. Oh, I know. The last time I cared about golf was when Tiger almost won that other tournament.

Like a month ago, there was a tournament. Well, yeah, he almost won the British Open or the Open Championship. I mean, he played in 17 tournaments this year. He finished in the top 10 seven times, second twice, and won. So he had, you know, by any... That's a career for some guy. I was going to say, for anybody, you know, it's funny you say that about a career, because I was thinking about this.

Like, he's won 80 golf tournaments on the PGA Tour. That doesn't count the European Tour and whatever. Is that the most ever? 82 is the most ever by Slammin' Sammy Sneed. Oh, so he's that close. But I thought, you know, he's won 80 times and we've mentioned this on the show. Golf's a very difficult game and winning is very

rare. And I would imagine that if you added up the other 29 guys in the field, with the exception of Phil Mickelson, who's won like 42 times, which is impressive, he's probably won more than all those other guys combined. Wow. Because he's won more than all those other guys combined. Wow.

Because he's won 80 times. And it's remarkable. And to see it again, I never thought I'd see it again. And it was great. Can you think, and Fred, can you also, can you think of a bigger comeback story than this? Like, is this the greatest sports comeback of all time? I'd be hard pressed. And I'll tell you,

if there's a bigger comeback story, if one exists, which I don't know and I doubt, it sure didn't get this attention. No, no. You know? So, and that, they sort of go hand in hand,

you know what I mean? So this would be the biggest because obviously it means the most to the widest amount of people well we talked about that too like well you know if a famous tennis player had gone away for five years and hadn't won a match all of a sudden i mean if he was if nadal had all of a sudden gone away for half a decade and came back and won a match it still wouldn't be the worldwide story this was plus this had all this had intrigue this had sex, this had the breakup, this had the

injuries, the surgeries. Yeah. I mean, it was a story outside of the story. You know, 17 months ago, Memorial Day 2017, Tiger had that DUI and he was on prescription medication taking Oxy and drinking to just get rid of the pain in his back. And that was after banging all the hookers.

Banging in the bathroom. But, you know, Fred went through some back problems. You know, a lot of people who suffered with what Tiger Woods had, it's unimaginable. It's hard to relate to the kind of pain, right? Do you think maybe some of those back problems were from banging so many hookers? It's possible.

What were your back problems from? Well, it wasn't from that. It wasn't banging hookers. But I'm just wondering if he was such... He was literally addicted. I'm just wondering if... That was so lame. I'm a sex addict. Who isn't a sex addict?

That's right. I uncovered something. I've got to find out what happened with Sirius and we're going to talk about the new exciting news with Funny and Funny. Unless you have more to say. I personally cannot think of a bigger comeback story. and we're going to talk about the new exciting news with Funny and Funny. Are we finished talking about Tiger? Unless you have more to say. I personally cannot think of a bigger comeback story.

Well, here's why. Because golf has such a universal appeal. That's what I was getting at. Tennis is great. Curling is fine. Hockey's fun. But there's very few sports on the planet that has such a global appeal. Here's the thing. There may be a story, say in Argentina or South Africa,

there might be a remarkable comeback story, maybe that trumps this one. But again, not enough people care to elevate it to the status of this one. You know? No, if you're going to look for a compare, you would probably look at Muhammad Ali, right? Who went to jail.

That's right, went to jail for three and a half years, came back and won the... I didn't like that though. Oh, no, no, no. I think that's... And he, much like Tiger, he transcended the sport. That's right, went to jail for three and a half years, came back and won the... I didn't like that, though. Oh, no, no, no, I think that's... Much like Tiger, he transcended the sport. That's a great comparison. It's funny, because I'd read that on the weekend. That was one of the ones that

was brought up, that Ali's comeback after going away for his beliefs. But again, it was a different time. He didn't come back. The thing is about one thing about Ali during that time, he got to recharge. Tiger's downtime was spent in pain.

So that, again, adds to the comeback aspect of this. And Howard, you know this, but I just read this yesterday, that in November 2017, so that's only 11 months ago, he was ranked something like... 1,200. Nearly 1,200th in the world. Nearly 1,200th, which is... You're a higher... Can I congratulate you on winning something?

By the way, today he's ranked 13th. Yeah, which is this... That alone isn't... I don't know what... I can't even compute that. It's mind-blowing. Yeah. You won something like a club championship.

Can you tell us exactly what you just won? It was interesting because a week ago... So Tiger won yesterday. And a week ago, I completed a 21-year comeback. What did you win? I won the Glenn Caron is a golf course I play at. I was the senior club champion. 21 years after I won the club championship at another golf course, I won again.

That's almost Tiger-esque, I'd say. I was currently ranked 1,200th at Glenn Caron. And he won a trophy. Yes. And a crock pot. A crock pot. Slow cooker. Oh, even better. You can make the pork. I won a slow cooker and it gave me some FedEx ranking. What's a senior

though? How old do you have to be to be a senior? 50, I think. 50, okay. And you're in your 50s still. I'm 58. And I beat a lot of good players. And it was fun because the first round of this tournament was the last weekend in June. And it rained on the second day. We got rained out.

And I just thought, well, okay, well, that's the end of the tournament. Give me my trophy. And there. No, no, we're going to postpone it for three months. So I held the lead. They so didn't want him to win. So didn't want me to win. 93 days. If they liked you, they would have said, okay, you win.

That's right. Some other guy, they probably would have said, yeah, let's let this slide. Yeah, they can hope for a miracle. So I'd have slept on the lead for 93 days. That's hilarious. That's hilarious. Well, good on you. That's, I don't know.

Are you the bocce ball champion, Fred? Yes. Well, he's won it. Oh, come on. Who's the current champion? You're the Tiger Woods. The last time I won was 2005. What if you win this year?

I don't even think we're having it this year. Out of respect for me and my bag. Are you not the most decorated bocce champion? Oh, that I am. You're the Jack Nicklaus of sand bocce. When you take gold, silver, bronze, I'm the most decorated by far. You're like, how many majors is it? You've won it twice.

I've won two majors, and I think I've finished second three or four times, which bugs me sometimes. Yeah, man. What's happening now? Not winning the big one hurts. He's doing transitions. Right in the middle of that?

Okay, well, that's your show. Yeah, this is my show. Come on. I want to bring you back really quickly to Mix 99.9. So you guys left, of course, Mojo Radio to go to Mix. We've covered all this in one of your many previous visits. No, I know.

But I uncovered something new here I just want to touch on. So Fred got fired first, like in 2005? 2005. While eating pierogies in Young's Point, Ontario, I received a phone call. I was fired. I got fired in 2006. I was drawing Cinderella princess, I mean, Disney princesses with Spencer Glassman,

who was eight years old at the time. So in the interim, when it was Howard's show, they renamed this Humble and Fred show the Humble Howard Show, right? Yes. Mix 99.9. And at some point, I uncovered this piece of audio. I'm going to play.

Now, it's a bit long, so I'll fade it down and we'll talk over it at some point. But let's drink this jam in. Hi, Humble Howard Morning Show. I have a quick question. I've been out of the country for probably the whole summer. And I'm just actually going back to work today. And where's your sidekick? I don't know what happened.

We made a big announcement on Thursday that he's sadly moving on, and now it's just going to be me and the kids. Oh, really? No, that's cool. I'm not complaining. I love either one of you. You guys, I've been listening to CFNY. So I really, I was just concerned because it was like,

did you guys have a falling out? No, no, no, no. Oh, good. No, no, we still live together. Oh, good, good, good. We're just not working together anymore. Oh, it's a sideway love, right? Yes. Oh, good. No, no. We still live together. Oh, good, good, good. We're just not working together anymore. Oh, it's a sideway love, right? Yes.

All right, my love. Okay, thank you very much. Take care. Bye. I'm not even sure what she meant by that. It's a sideway love. Anyway, as you can imagine, a lot of the days are filled with answering questions from people, and I never know if I'm giving enough information when somebody emails me about this situation.

And I've wanted to do this for a while. I just thought it might be kind of a neat thing where, you know, the audience, what little there is of it, should have more access, you know, to me, if they want. You know, you can always email humbleatmix99.com or whatever.

But what I have here is my cell phone. And I'm going to give you my cell phone number. So if you have some questions about this or moving forward, questions, I'm serious, Bob. I don't think you should. I'm serious. It's a lot of, have you thought about this seriously? I have.

Well, no, I mean, it could either go great or it could be a complete disaster. But know this, if you call my cell number. This is your private number. My private number. If you call my cell number, then you're going to, by virtue of calling it, agree for me to put you on the air with whatever you say on it. So here it is. 416.

You really want to do this. I'm doing it. Okay. I'm not kidding you. This is my number. 416 200 7410 is my cell number. And I'm going to wait

just to prove it to you. Okay, so I think somebody's closing here. But that's, I don't think I remember a radio host ever doing that before, like giving out the personal cell number live on air. And it's still his number. Still my number. Oh, should I have said that?

I don't care. Well, it's on the bottom of your website, too. No, I know. Well, I don't know. I was just kind of floundering, trying to think of something to do and trying to find a way to explain it. And I thought, you know, why not do something a little bit bold? And I thought, you know, people were like, oh, my God.

Well, you know, in the end, I got a lot of calls from people, mostly saying, is this really your number? But it wasn't thousands. It might have been a few hundred over the course of a month or so, and then it just died down. And I played some calls. I played some people mad at the station, mad at me and where's Fred? And I played some calls that were like, hey, everything's, you know,

I don't know. What was your, what was the, what would you like to know about that? I thought it was very cool. And what I sensed, what I felt was that you can only say so much on the air. Like, this is what he's moving on, right? Because you need, you have bosses who you like to keep your job. And I feel like

the truth was not that Fred was moving on. The truth was they told Fred, don't come back, right? So you can't, you had to be careful how you say this. But if they phone you in your cell, I feel like maybe you could level with people. Like maybe you could be more honest. Well, and I got fired. That was August, sort of late August, early September maybe.

And I got fired not 10 months later. So did Judy, by the way. And I felt bad. Just to get away from that for a second. I felt bad because Fred and I were working with somebody else there at Mix to begin with, doing our news and being the sort of female presence on the show. And it didn't work out. And Judy was having a nice career doing stand-up and doing news and traffic and stuff at CFRB and News Talk 1010.

And we went to her and we basically begged her to come work with us. And then, you know, less than two years later, she gets fired. No, I know. The show, the Hummel and Fred show, as it is, what it is, how it should have been, was never allowed to play out on that station. It was unfortunate. It's too bad because we could still be there as their morning show. Now more than ever, but that was 13 years ago. We could have had 13 years being their morning show.

No one can even name the current morning guy. Stu Jeffries. No, no. Oh, no. It's Virgin now, Howie. Oh, right. Sorry, we couldn't be there. We couldn't be there.

No. Well, we would have moved over to Boom. Gotcha, no. No, it's Virgin now, Howie. Oh, right. Sorry, we couldn't be there. So we couldn't be there. No. Well, we would have moved over to Boom. Gotcha. Gotcha. All right. Yeah, and we've already kind of gone through it. If people want to go back and hear other Humble and Fred stories, there's a lot of interesting Howard, Stu.

Like, you guys kept taking each other's gigs, like, over the decades. Yeah, Stu and Colleen were working, and then they got fired, but they brought Colleen back, and then we were working, and then we got fired, but Stu got brought back, and Colleen's in Hamilton, and so are we. Last Monday, I was on your show for the launch of your new show, which we're going to talk about, but

you had technical difficulties, so we actually just did a podcast, the Humble and Fred podcast, which was great, because you could swear and stuff. And you, Howard, mentioned a tweet from Mike Stafford. Did we ever uncover what Mike Stafford, he said that you could die in a fire? He wished I would die in a fire, yes.

And we've already gone through the history of Mike Stafford. He was a news guy on Pete and Geetz when Fred was the sports guy on Pete and Geetz. And you guys were very close, right, Fred? Oh, very close, like brothers. And at some point when Mike was going to get married, he asked you to be his best man. Yes, I was honoured.

I was actually thrilled because Mike didn't, Mike traditionally didn't have a lot of friends. And then I always thought it was pretty special that he thought that much of me. So I was quite thrilled. In fact, I was going to do it up quite nice. I had a few neat things planned leading up to the wedding.

Sure. Anyway. But I guess at some point you followed up with Mike to say, hey, like, it's coming up soon. We need to get rocking. And he's like, you've been replaced

or something like that. He said, did you not figure it out by now? What? I've moved on or something. That's a weird way to fire your best man. Tell me about it. That was kind of how Fred got fired at the mix, too.

He kept showing up and the door was locked. I was like, have you not figured it out by now? And it's funny. It's all these years later. I can't even remember what year that was. And I still definitively don't know why, to be honest. I think he explained it. But I don't care.

I asked him, and he basically owned it in that it was his own issues that he had to deal with. It wasn't on you. He kind of owned it and admitted that he has some issues with that stuff. You know, as far as what he has a problem with me, I haven't seen him in person. We left Mojo, I would say, it was 2003. And I have never been back

in that building since. So with the building we were in at that time, they're not even there anymore. So 15 years have gone since I've seen Mike Stafford in person. But do you think it's because

I said some, I said, or I played a sound effect? No, I remember Mike. Oh, I do remember. He came on your show and then I said, or I played a sound effect? No, remember Mike came on your show and then I was playing. I sent you guys the MP3. And then Howard started playing some sound effects over it. Macaque.

Macaque, Macaque. Which I told Howard he probably shouldn't have done because that was a few minutes for me to sort of address that thing. And Howard wanted to play. I think when Howard, when something gets emotional and heavy, that's maybe how Howard reacts.

Yeah, you can't handle it. You throw humor at him. He just falls apart. But anyway, all that's... I don't understand. The only thing I would say, and not to belabor this, if Mike has issues, how does that manifest into me not being

the best man? I think it was more we had started the podcast, I believe. And I think we were going on. We were making some pretty grandiose statements and everything. Having fun. Oh, I know. This is the future of radio. Radio's dead or something like that.

Can I make a bug? Which is interesting because you're back there, which is exciting to talk about in a moment here. Here we are, seven years later, still clicking along. Right, Howie? Yeah. No, I mean, this goes without saying. Where's my sound effects? sound effects hey you want some more i don't have yours you remember this guy yeah he's doing our packets now i have some of it somewhere well i can see i have them guys i send you. Here's another one here I like. Ode, ode, humble and Fred.

One more because it's my favorite band of all time. Greasy, humble and Fred you are. We did use these at the beginning of the podcast. I used quite a bit of them. Mike sent them over. But we have a brand. Jamie Watson is the guy that did it. And we recently commissioned him

to do a brand new sort of Humble and Fred imaging package for our new program. And I didn't even wait 30 days to pay. The minute I got that invoice,

bang, it was in the mail the next day. Just so you know, that's Humble and Fred trademark. That's how I operate. That's how I operate.

Inspired by you guys, I've started my own business as well. That's how I operate. That's interesting. Luckily, I'm not paying a lot of invoices right now, but hopefully receiving them quickly,

that would be great. Now, one more I'm going to play here. Humble and Fred of vampires. And actually, my personal favorite is this one. Don't give up. You still have a humbling friend.

I think I explained when you played that when I was on. I think it was a girl that Dan Duran knew. That goes right back to Brampton. Yeah, that was from Brampton. Can you send me those? Yeah, of course. That would be, that would probably be 1993 or before that. Even earlier. Because Dan left in 94. That's what I'm saying. So it had to be 1993 or 4. Even earlier.

Because Dan left in 94. That's what I'm saying. So it had to be then or before. Between 92 and 94 when I came back. I'm going to save Dan's humble report intro for the 820 discussion because it ties in nicely with your new boss over there. Yes. Yes. You see how I've got it all.

Oh, my God. There's a method to the menace. But Jamie, this gentleman, Jamie. Jamie Watson. Jamie Watson, he's at The Rock now, which coincidentally is where Bob Ouellette is as well. He's at The Rock. What do you mean he's at The Rock?

He's imaging for The Rock. He's amazing. Bob told me that. He's the best. And when you were going to commission somebody to do the branding, did you have to choose between Jamie and Scary Pete? Was there any thoughts of getting some Scary Pete action?

Well, it's a great question, actually. The reason we didn't think of Pete is because it was that Jamie stuff we wanted. You know, it was more of just... Because when we did Mojo, Jamie did it all. And people still talk about it years later. Yeah. And we still use...

The intro to our show is still Pete. Yes. Redhead, Senorita, whatever that is. Oh, that's White Stripes. No, but he does the You're Listening to Canada's National Morning Show. Right. I mean, I was there at the beginning. I remember we did have a lot of Scary Pete imaging for the launch.

Yes. As you deleted soundboard pages by accident, they kind of disappeared. I don't know what happened, man. It's all gone now. But I only thought of Scary Pete. This weekend, my daughter had a soccer tournament at High Park, and I know that Pete's involved with that

because I think his daughter's in that league as well. So I was thinking of Scary Pete. You know, his oldest daughter is like a singer and I think plays the guitar. Apparently, she's just like amazing. Really amazing. Like talented. Like Spencer.

I think about when Pete first bought that place near High Park, and it was a lot of money in those days. And I remember going to visit him and thinking, wow, this is pretty cool. I wasn't really sure. I wasn't part of the city scene. But now his place.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's got to be worth it. It's Clendenin. He wasn't part of the city scene. But now his place? Oh, yeah. It's got to be worth it. He's across the street from my kid's high school. Yeah, and that place has got to be worth a couple million now. Absolutely. That's primo real estate. Oh, no, it's totally. It's a great neighborhood. And whatever he paid for it, it was probably in the mid fives or sixes.

Which was insane at the time. Yeah, it seemed like a lot of money. No, I know. And now it's just ridiculous. Every piece of real estate is selling for above asking or sixes or something. Which was insane at the time. Yeah, it seemed like a lot of money. No, I know. And now it's just... Every piece of real estate is selling for above asking price except at the place you sold in Oakville. I think that's what I read. Yeah, that's exactly what happened.

But you're happy now. Just to set that line. So you've been there now over a year. Two years. Two years, wow. And that's working out really well, right? Yeah, I love it. Because you work in the home

and that's amazing. I love it. I love the fact that I can just come downstairs in the morning, and there's the show. And Fred, you don't feel jealousy that you've got to hop on the 410 and do all this nonsense when he's coming downstairs in his robe?

It was partly my idea, or a collective thing at the beginning. If we're going to get a new studio, why don't we get a place where you can live? Because he wanted to move back into the city, so it just made sense. And it's kind of full circle. When we first started working in Brampton,

you were like seven or eight minutes from the station, and I had to come in. I like my car time in the morning. Because you can catch up on podcasts, right? Yeah, well, that's when we listen to Toronto Mike downloads. Oh, you like the retro Ontario episode? When the weather sucks, I don't like it. It's white knuckle, but, you know. We're going to start doing

some stuff differently this winter. We're going to have Fred Skype in on those mornings when it's miserable and no need to come in. Which makes complete sense. Once in a while when the snow is coming down, why sit on the 410 for an hour when you can Skype it in. It's ridiculous. Soon you could be doing it from the Tin Palace.

You could be Skyping in your contribution. Possible. Well, it all depends on how the surgery goes. It's not getting carried away just yet. Now, Brian Gerstein...

What are you talking about? No, he's being funny. Now you're getting me scared. He's a stand-up. What are you talking about? What are you talking about? I'm scared now. No, there's nothing...

Honestly, the reason I didn't even... He's having twerp surgery. I didn't even tell Fred good luck or anything because you don't need luck. This is a routine surgery. It's like getting your wisdom teeth taken out. Yes, like getting your wisdom teeth taken out if they took it out through your wiener hole.

Oh, can you imagine that? Oh. A molar coming out. Fred, we're going to take the molar out through your wiener hole. Oh, Jesus. Brian Gerstein. Who's that? He's a

real estate sales representative with PSR Brokerage, and he's at propertyinthesix.com, but he's recorded a question for you guys. I'm going to play his question for you now. So, let's listen to Brian. Hey, Humble and Fred, Brian Gerstein here, sales representative with PSR Brokerage and proud sponsor of Toronto Might. I can be reached by caller text at 416-873-0292 for all of your real estate needs, including some exciting new condo developments, one of which is first access to 489 King Street West,

architected and designed by world-renowned Bjarke Ingels. Howard, being an ex-Montrealer, I couldn't help but notice via a recent Mycone article that you and I both left Montreal for Toronto at the exact same time in 1989. You were 29 and I was there for 25, including graduating from Wager High School, class of 81, with a fellow graduate you know very well. I do remember you being on with Jeff Lumby on CJFM in the mornings. How would history have been changed for you had Jeff agreed to go to Toronto with you and Fred had not been flown into Montreal to meet you? And the rest, they say, is history. What's that gentleman's name again? Brian Gerstein.

So Brian must have gone to school with Randy. That's correct. Randy Glassman. Randy Glassman. It wasn't Randy Glassman back then. She was Randy Rosenthal. Real estate mogul. But you guys,

it sounded like you guys might have carpooled your way to Toronto. Can you get us a deal on those King Street condos? Of course. You've got to call Brian. I'm telling you, Brian's the last, the most honest real estate sales representative I've ever talked to. You've got to talk to Brian. So how would things have been different?

You know, that's a good question. I think when we were first approached, Jeff and I, about coming to Toronto, I guess Danny Kingsbury's thought might have been, well, if I can get this morning's show and combine it with Fred, so it would have been Jeff and Howard, which was the name of the show, and The Breakfast Club.

And Fred would have, I guess, continued the thought being he would continue doing what you were doing for other morning shows, which is being funny and doing the sports. Yeah, I guess. Who knows? That's a good question, but one really that you can't be answered. Of course not. The time-space continuum would be totally reset.

And those were back in the young early years where every so often we entertained offers. And I think it was even after that. For money. Yeah. Because I think, here's what could have happened, because I do believe, yeah.

Remember they asked us if we were going to Q107? Well, that was after we'd been working together. No, no. What I'm saying is, and part of the deal was, they said to me,

you love Canadian football, you love the Toronto Argonauts, you could be the voice of the Toronto Argonauts. And I thought, well, that's pretty intriguing, but collectively, I mean, you know, that's small potatoes compared to a morning show.

If Howard and I had gone, I would have done that. Gladly, it would have been fun, but we decided to stay at CFNY. But who knows, if originally Jeff had come along, then maybe an opportunity like that would have popped up and I would have gone off and done something sportsy. Yeah. Who knows? I mean, it was apparent very early in the meeting with Lumbee and I and these guys,

a guy named Jim Fonger, right? Mm-hmm. And Danny Kingsbury. It was apparent early that Jeff had no interest in it. And the story is, by the time Danny got back to Toronto, I had left a message on his answering machine saying, listen, I know Lumbee's not into this, but give me a call.

I am. And the rest is history. But Brian, we're looking to invest in some real estate. No joke, honestly. It's worth a conversation. Propertyinthesix.com. Have a conversation.

I'll buy one if it's half price. You know what we should do? And this is serious. I'd love to get that guy in the show just to talk about Property in the Six because it's a great... And he went to high school with Randy Rosenthal. But seriously,

it doesn't matter whether he gives us a deal, but it's people's... We just had a conversation about real estate with Pete. It's fascinating to people how this market works, how real estate in general works. We'll hook it up. And there's all these big new developments happening in the city.

There's one on the Queensway. Yeah. That beer store. You mean Six Points? Oh, the beer store, yeah. With the beer store one. Have you been near Six Points lately? That whole area is like...

Where is that? Like Dundas. Is that near the Five Corners? Do you know where Apache Burger is? Oh, yeah. I do. Right by the station, right near Kipling Station. Where that Starbucks and everything is? Yes. That's Six Points Plaza.

Kipling and what? Dundas. So Dundas is a weird street in that it does that sneaky thing. Yeah, I know. It does that weird thing. So it's where Bloor, Dundas, and Kipling all kind of meet. Like four streets are in one area. And that was a weird basket-weeby kind of dangerous. They're totally doing that area up. And they're going to call it the Kip District.

They're trying to get the people who maybe can't afford Liberty Village or whatever to come a little west. And they're making Kipling Station a huge transport hub. And it's going to be like in the next five years. You won't recognize it. Well, the only problem with a lot of these condos. Yeah, it's going to be, I think, in the next five years. You won't recognize it. Well, I want to... The only problem with a lot of these condos... It's very emotional. ...is the

fees, the monthly fees. The maintenance fees. They're ridiculous. Right, I agree with you. That's why I like to own a home. I don't like those maintenance fees. No, I understand. And the thing is, I know there's other costs with owning a home. Sure. Like, they're not bad where you are. Some of them. When I look... It's pretty cheap. Because Delise often says, I wouldn't mind

living in a condo if it was downtown to be part or close to downtown, even out here. Right. But I'm not really that interested. And then the odd time I think, oh, I'll have a look to see what's out there. And then you're reading, you think that's a nice place.

The price isn't bad. Condo fee is like 900 a month and 850. And that's now. So what about two or three years from now? How long have you lived in this home? Five years. Yeah, you've done all right. You've done all right.

Yeah, it's a detached home in Toronto. I feel like Daddy Warbucks, you know what I mean? Or the guy in the Monopoly box or whatever. It's like, I must be rich. What does Brian Gerstein have to say about that? Put Brian on your show. I want to get him on the show. Because he has propertyinthesix.com.

That's his bag. And he's totally like the expert. And honestly, nicest guy from Montreal. And you, Randy. But also honest. Like, I've never met a real estate agent who is so... He's not a slick. He's not a bullshit artist.

Hey. And I know Fred says bullshit baffles brains. So maybe he should be. Well, that's... Yeah. The only problem with... Like you said, you feel like... Who was it? his bullshit baffles brains, so maybe he should be. Well, that's, yeah. The only problem with, like you said, you feel like, who was it? Daddy Warbucks from Annie or the guy in the Monopoly box? The only problem is that it's

only good if one day you plan on leaving Toronto. No, I'm freaking house poor, no doubt. No, you know what I mean, though? Yeah. The whole idea is like, you know, it's on paper and of course you can use it to leverage some other things. But until you leave, it doesn't mean anything. So the idea of someone like you is to take all this and then move to the burbs and put money in the bank.

And I don't intend to do that. No, you don't. And a lot of people don't. It's a vapor. Like Howard would never go to the burbs again. No way. He's a city guy I've heard on a couple of occasions

Howard referring on his show To the fact he lives downtown And I feel like That's not even close to true I don't know But downtown I don't have the energy to argue about where I live You know what

If you live in Milton Or Oakville or Burlington, I live downtown. Yes. If you live in Toronto, I don't. You know, I dropped my daughter off last night. We went to this place called Mi Va Mi, some Mediterranean place at Queen and John. And then I dropped her off at her King and Bathurst place.

And I went back to my place. I'm downtown enough. You know, all of that took place. All of that took me 10 or 15 minutes where if I lived in Oakville, that would have been a two hour.

But you're right. When you're talking to somebody in, I don't know, Burlington, you're downtown. But what about all those millions of Humble and Fred fans in Toronto

who just shake their head and say, you're at Islington and Queensville. Oh, you think they're doing that? Yeah, I can hear the fists rattling. You know what's funny is girlfriend Rachel

says where I live, she calls it way out in the West End. Well, it is. It is because we live in the same plane, if you will. If I lived in Ronces or High Park area, I would never call that downtown. You know what I'm going to do? I'm going to stop calling it downtown.

I know. Do you have any other controversial... Are you going to get me? What else is bugging you today? Jesus. Jesus. You used to be such an easy-going guy. No, I know.

In the old days, we'd come here, it was like a softball festival. It's all softballs. More softballs coming. Hey, Howard, Scott's in downtown. No, you're just a prick, eh? No, I care about his cell phone. If you really want to set me off, tell me that you're here in Mimico, and then I go off. All right.

You know what? I was going to stop and get a bun. Oh, at San Remo. Yeah, it's closed on Mondays. Oh, yeah, that's right. How can you be? You're a bakery. It's a family run.

How are you closed on Mondays? I know. I know. And that's a fantastic place at San Remo. It is. I was going to get a bun, maybe. Hey, it's the European attitude. Lifestyle, family, that all comes first.

That's Italian, right. All comes first. Exactly. It's not all about the dollar. One of your proud sponsors at Humble and Fred Radio is Paytm Canada. Yes. Paytm app. And I mean, the Paytm app, I use it to pay all my bills. But Howard, you use it too? I do.

You collect points? I'm going to show you right now. It's right. I got paid. How many Paytm points do you have? Like 16,000. What? Let me do what I have here. Because I even pay my, I put everything I can on my MasterCard and then I pay my MasterCard via Paytm. So that gets pretty big actually because everything's going on that.

That's what I do. And I like that. So it's essentially from your bank account, you're only paying one bill a month. Everything's on the credit card through Paytm. And then once a month's essentially from your bank account you're only paying one bill a month everything's on the credit card through Paytm and then once a month you pay from your bank account and that is the MasterCard

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So many rewards. We encourage you to use the promo code HumbleANDFred. I don't know if you can use two. After you've used Toronto Mike, here you've got to use Toronto Mike. But if you can use a second one, then use yours for sure. But I think that's

a really cool company because they're hiring Torontonians, and if you go into the office, they don't just service Canada. They've got people in the Toronto office servicing overseas, like India, for example. So it's like a reverse... My quick question. Is that like a Tony Esposito

mask? That's what it looks like to me. That was something my father owned, and it's the only thing I actually have in my possession that he owned. So I don't know where he got it or how long ago. But it does have a Tony Esposito vibe to it. I can tell you this.

It's not faux. You know how they make it to look old? That's actually the real deal. Now, what about your father? There's no padding in it. And no padding. No. I know.

Funny, eh? I wear it on Halloween, actually. Like, what was that supposed to do? Some argue this could be worse than nothing. Yes. Let's talk about your father. What's all that about? I don't have a

relationship with my father. I've seen him once in the last 25 years. 25 years I've met him once. I've seen him once. And that was 16 years ago. I stole his fucking mask. See, that's how you deal with emotional deep

real talk. Oh, that's the best. You took his mask and he's like, fuck it. Fuck you. Fuck you, Mike. Fuck you. Can I get serious for a moment? I was going to get serious, but that's too funny. No, that's what you did when we were having the deep chat about Mike Stafford firing Fred

as his best man. You did the macaque macaque. This is the same thing. We were talking about my chat about Mike Stafford firing Fred as his best man. You did the macaque, macaque. This is the same thing. We were talking about my relationship with my father. So does he know you got married? Does he know you have grandkids? He knew I got married to the first wife because I met him once in the last 25 years.

Where is he now? My first... I don't have a clue. That's tragic. But I have no clue. I know he's alive. Look at those beautiful grandchildren he has. For me alone, he's got four grandkids. You don't know where he lives? No idea. I have no idea. Do you he's alive. Look at those beautiful grandchildren. For me alone, he's got four grandkids.

You don't know where he lives? No idea. I have no idea. Do you know what his last known address is? You've seen The Wire. Let's find him. Well, I know that he had the last known address where I saw him 16 years ago when I last saw him

was in Brampton. And the woman who owned that house he was with kicked him out and sued him. I heard the whole story about it. He's got issues. How do you know he. He's like he's the Mike Stafford of because I have on Facebook. I'm friends with his with my cousin who's his brother's daughter. And even though he won't talk to his brothers anymore, I feel like I that channel would reveal something like an illness or a death or something. I feel like it would get to me through that. All right. That's how I feel. Too bad.

Yeah. Maybe if you offered to give him his mask back. No, I would say it from this standpoint too. And I can't believe a father doesn't spend every day wondering about his kids and grandkids. But you're thinking as a rational, healthy-minded person.

I feel the same way. I have four kids and I can't, you're thinking as a rational, healthy-minded person. I feel the same way. I have four kids. And I can't... You know what? Yeah. I mean, you have to... You can't even apply your rational thought

to somebody who suffers potentially from some mental illness, etc. And diseases of that nature. You can't map it that way. No, it's impossible to map. But I want to get serious because I want to ask

and I need real talk here. Yeah, real talk. You guys were Canada's national morning show on SiriusXM Canada Laughs 168, I believe. For five years. For five years. And why did they choose not to renew that contract? What happened there?

If I may, we were told that they were making changes to the channel and that our services would no longer be required. But it turns out the only changes they were making to the channel was to get rid of us. And no matter how many times we've written and asked and implored for an explanation, we have none. Okay. So you can't get an answer why. Lord, for an explanation, we have none. Okay, so you can't get an answer why, probably because they don't have to tell you why and they have some corporate HR decision

that they're not going to tell you shit because they don't have to, whatever. I've been through that when I was a manager. You know, they coach you on terminations and how to deal with them, so I get all that. Right. Personally, I mean, I think we, but personally, I have a pretty good idea. It's not hard to figure out.

Well, tell me, because I'm having trouble figuring it out. So shed some light on this. Well, here's the thing, too. And I don't, you know, when you talk about these things, you don't want to be negative. But listen, we were at CFNY. It was great. We went to Mojo. It was great. We left Mojo on our own accord. Like, you know, things happened. It was better for us. No negativity there. I was fired at the mix. I was a bit bitter, but I never really bad talked to anybody because I understood because they didn't let the Humble

and Fred show be the Humble and Fred show. So when you stand back, you go, I see it. It wasn't working. They let me go. Even in Peterborough. It's like, I didn't want to be there anymore. I was away from my wife. And that sort of manifested in my attitude. So I understand that too. And in each case, when we've changed, we dealt with professional people that handled it professionally. So I just want to preface it with that. Because sometimes, you know, if you get a little negative, it's like, oh, I get bitter every time. You know, you got something bad to say about everybody. But that's not necessarily true. Do you understand what I'm saying?

Me? Yes. Because I'm just setting the stage for what we're about to say. I understand what you're going to say. You know, it sounds like, and we've said this on the show before, it sounds like we got fired a lot, but he and I were in the business. Until 2006, from 1977, I made a bunch of moves in radio where I was recruited and moved to my own accord.

I had never been fired, and neither had he. The joke on the show is once people got a taste for it, they couldn't stop firing us. But we had been handled, you know, even when he left the mix, we were both paid out quite handsomely for a long time. And it was handled, and ironically, not ironically, but I had such a good relationship with those people, they hired me back two months before my contract was up.

Again, you know, dealing with people that were professional and quite fond of us, didn't want to fire us. I was at the party you hosted when you went back to Easy Rock. Went to, yeah, exactly. I went back and so, and it's funny how this is coming up today

because we had this conversation just a little while ago with another person that had worked there. And we basically said, you know, we still, in all our years of being in the business, this particular time was weird because it was handled more, go ahead, poorer than we'd ever been handled before.

Almost to the point of comical. Like, it's just so pathetic. It's just funny. But from the day we walked into that place Sirius XM you could just tell you weren't dealing with pros like honestly you just knew it was like this place is a bit weird and then the longer you're around you find out certain stories about people and their history within the business and how they operate. And then you think, oh, I get it. There's no ratings involved here.

And if you sniff enough ass and do enough of this and that, you'll be a survivor. And that was the situation there. And these weren't talented people you were working for. And even how we came to be at Sirius, I think, rubbed those guys the wrong way. Because it's not like the two guys that were our managers, the third guy doesn't even count. But the two guys that we sort of sat down and dealt with at the beginning, they were basically told to meet with us by somebody more powerful than them. And that somebody was a big patron of ours

and said, you know, you guys should talk to Humble and Fred. In fact, you guys, I'm telling you to talk to them. Not like, oh, if you get a notion. So I think it goes back to that. We were never really their choice. They almost resented you being there because they were kind of ordered to.

Well, and I think what it did is it shed a little spotlight on how inept they were. Because we've been doing this a long time. And we have a following. And we brought subscribers to the channel. I don't know how many, but some. Sure. Lots of people sent us notes saying, you know, the only reason I subscribed was because of you guys. Let's be honest.

This comedy channel can take nothing away from Canadian comics. Canada Laughs. That was the name at the channel can take nothing away from Canadian comics. Canada Laughs. That was the name at the end. All it was was Canadian comics. So if you have the serious service and you have all these other comedy services. Like Raw Dog and all these different. Comedy Greats. Comedy Central. International comics. I mean, really. Who would go to a

channel with just Canadian comics? Canadian comics. To hear themselves. Right. To hear themselves or their friends. Because you're not going to hear Richard Pryor on that station or George Carlin. Or Jerry Seinfeld or any of the current...

At least we brought a little focus to it because people were actually listening. Because when ultimately we were let go, the response was pretty encouraging. And they... So you're saying this... So they let you go in like, I guess in July this happened?

Our last show... They let us go in late May, but we had basically June, July to run our show, Best Ofs, on the channel. But we were no longer doing the show live. Because they were afraid you trashed it. They were afraid we would, because I'm too volatile. And here's... Actually, the quote to our business manager was, because he called them and said, what are you guys doing? You know, these guys have been with you for five years. You basically pay them nothing.

Just let them back on for a couple months. They have all these sponsorship commitments. And the guy, the little weasel guy said, no, no, no. Howard's too volatile. Which is. Which, Fred, you would disagree with that statement? Oh, no, no, no. Is Howard too volatile?

Well, if we're going to be completely honest, the day they told us, Howard got a little excited. I got a volatile. He did. Did you punch anybody? No. No. But this is what we ran into,

because every so often the one guy, let's, anyway, the one guy, he'd often use old, tired, archaic radio references. And I used to think to myself and say to Howard, it doesn't apply in this case. Yeah. Because this is a different beast. Right.

So we had all these sponsors and there was like a 60 day out on the contract, right? But we always assumed it would be 60, they would give us 60 days notice that the show would end in 60 days so we could service our sponsors. Right. So the day he tells us, it comes up in the conversation that, oh no, no, no, that today was the last show guys. You guys are done.

We'll pay you for 60 days. And then we said, well, you can't do that to us. We have these sponsors as of tomorrow. Come on. This is our lifeline. Well, no, our policy, you know, on radio, nobody lets people on the radio go on after they've been let go. We said, Joe, this is different, buddy. Let's say his name was Joe. Get it through your head. This is, why would we do that? Because we got all these sponsors we

have to worry about. Why would we trash you tomorrow and then give you an excuse to actually let us go screw your sponsors? Right. But this was supposed to be somewhat amicable. He couldn't get it through his head. And then he went to the guy above him, King Weasel. And King Weasel's the gentleman who you can't get an audience. Yeah, he's never responded to any of our notes

and we wanted to talk to him. We've been fired, chastised, disciplined by some of the greats in this business. We have. I've been suspended by some of them. And people that we, literally, some of them I love. This, I have never seen anything like this. Because it didn't matter when you were let go, or you were in a problem, or you had some kind of a problem, some kind of a conflict, you were in trouble.

The guy at the top always had time for you. Always addressed the issue. Always conversed. This guy at the top always had time for you. Always addressed the issue. Always conversed. This guy at Sirius was unbelievable. So think about this. At the end of, I guess it was the end of April or May. So the end of May, we find this out and we start to try

and correspond with the guy at the top. And to this moment, has never either called and said, hey guys, let me explain. We sent him a long note outlying a lot of these things saying, you know, we've been in this business 40 years each. Yeah. And you don't have the decency to just send us a note saying, hey, sorry, didn't work

out. Here's why. I mean, because we really don't know. Is it because we had sponsors and they didn't? You know, the deal originally was, you know, myself and Bill Hertz were going to sell our share of the time and then they were going to sell theirs. They never did. We never saw a dime from it.

You know, what the licensing fee they gave us originally was one number. Then they reduced it. You know, and even that's what we said to them. Listen, if it's money, we offered to pay them. We said, we'll pay you the operator's cost. We just want to stay on the channel because it's a great sales tool. Because to tell you the truth,

we have more people listening to our podcast than listen to us on SiriusXM. We do. Their numbers were so low, it was ridiculous. But is it possible that's why they didn't renew? I'm not only being devil's advocate here, but... Well, no, ratings are not important to them.

The only thing that matters to them is subscribers. You know what they base something on? Streaming numbers from their app. Yeah.

Because as we said to them, people that like our podcast, they're not buying serious, going into the app, don't download... Like, how do you use those numbers?

It's ridiculous. Yeah. So there, it was a sad thing in download... Like, how do you use those numbers? It's ridiculous. Yeah. So it was a sad thing in that... Well, not really a sad thing. It was only, you know, it was all a bunch of bad feelings, and now we still don't know, and it's one of those things where...

Well, I think I can tell you what I think as I started... Number one, I think Howard was a threat. What's been Howard? No, Howard was a threat. Winston Howard. No. Howard was a threat to a guy. The third banana.

Okay, so in this, and I'll be as careful as you've been, which is you have a king weasel who you can't get an audience with. Can't get a talk.

You have this guy you're calling Joe. Maybe his name is Joe. Who does, you can get an audience with Joe. He fired us. So he's the one

you deal with in Liberty, at Sirius XM. And then there's this, what do you call this? Dom DeLuise. Dom DeLuise. He looks like Dom DeLuise.

He's underneath Joe, so he's below Joe. And he was threatened by Howard. Somehow. Because Howard offered to do some things for the channel free of charge that rather than be embraced, it's a threat. But again, when you have that style of management there, when nobody's really ever been successful,

and they're always just covering their ass to survive, they don't embrace ideas. They look at them as threats. Can they tell you, like if you put a gun to their head, to this Joe Fellow's head and say, how many people are tuning into channel 168 on this day? Can they produce that number for you? So, yeah, there's no...

It's all accountability. I'll reiterate something I said to this fellow we spoke to earlier before we came to the Great Seminar. And I said this to Fred going back years now. I said, the problem with the situation we're in is the guys we work for make no extra money if we bring them subscribers.

Because if they did, if getting subscribers made those two guys money, and I'm just saying this as humbly as I can, we were the only thing on that channel that had any brand equity in the market. And as we saw when we were taken off, there were hundreds of people. I'm not saying thousands, but hundreds that had spent $15 a month to subscribe to that channel so they could hear us. Now, if those guys...

I've heard from these people. And if those guys that we worked for made money because of that, then we would be celebrated. It would have been, hey, we've got... Because I would look at it as a salesperson. They go, geez, this is great. For almost no money, we have a way that we can entice Toronto subscribers, the biggest market in the country.

60% of the channel's audience comes from Ontario. And so if there was an impetus for them to get more subscribers, we'd still have a job. Right. And we took Fridays off during the summer. I think that rubbed them the wrong way. Okay. And we took lots of holidays. Why would Fridays off?

Did they ever tell you? No, I just think it was a collective thing. After a while, it was, you know, the threat, the fact that, oh, geez, these guys are off again Fridays or they're taking more time off. I just think it was Mickey Mouse old time radio thinking. Yeah. On that note, okay.

Because listen, if we're not costing you much, if anything, and we're bringing a brand to your station that otherwise would have nothing. You are Toronto famous people. How is that a fireable, or why would you want to end that? Here's why. Unless you have these... During your five years, at some point early on, you actually brought them

your... You brought them Todd Shapiro. So Todd Shapiro... Barrier. He's been there for four years. And he... I think he's the afternoon drive guy? Yes. He has to do his show because I've been in there, at the SiriusXM studios.

He has to go in. I consider him far more controllable because he's there in the studio doing it there, where you guys are in your own studio doing your own thing, and it's live. So potentially part of the control.

Maybe that. Maybe. And also, you know, some time ago, 18 months, a couple years ago, they came to Todd and said, what we want you to do is, you know, basically have nothing but every show has to have these comics on, which is great for comics. And again, taking nothing away from the Canadian stand-up community, I know some of these people. It's great. Well, you're in.

The channel's great for them. He's not in it because I asked him to play TMLX2 and he didn't. So Todd smartly did that. So every show that Todd does is another way to promote the Canadian comedy that the channel. He's controllable. Yes. And maybe that's it. And you guys, I mean, you guys

are, as you know, you're veterans of this game. You've been there. You've been number one in 97. Like to me, you guys are not about to listen to, as I heard Fred say in the very first podcast we did at Dan Duran's house at Christmas 2006, there's no asshole down the hall telling you what you should be doing.

By the way, you say 2006, but I think it was 2005. Because he was gone in 2005. Were you on Mix 99.9? No, maybe it was 6. I'm certain it was 6. Because I documented it at TorontoMic was 6. I'm certain it was 6. All right, all right, all right. Because I documented it at TorontoMic.com. I forget the point I was just going to make.

But the controllable nature, I feel like they know they can't control you guys because you guys do your thing and you know what you're doing. Clearly, you've got happy advertisers. And you do it remotely. Where Todd Shapiro, far more controllable, will do what they ask because he's in that office.

They can have meetings with him. He's more of like an employee who's a compliant employee. And you guys are more like a third-party content provider. People may listen to this and go, Oh, you guys are being bitter, and now you're just fired again, and all that bullshit. No, because the silver lining is coming. No, I know.

But at the end of the day, people would look at this and say, oh man, they weren't even being paid and they were still fired. How bad were they, meaning us? So how bad are these guys to work with that they weren't even paying them anything or an insignificant amount and they still fired them?

So that image for us is out there. I don't really care, personally, because I have a pretty good feeling what the real story is. And that's where we're at. And this Dom DeLuise character,

because I've heard this on your show, I think it was Fred speculating, that him being threatened by Humble's existence, essentially, this is sort of like you'd bring it Shakespearean, but this sort of puts the, hey, let's look for things

we don't like so we can justify terminating this relationship. Like, potentially this is... The only reason I don't buy into that theory is that I don't think he has enough.

I don't think he wields enough power. No, I think he was the initiator, though. However it shook out, the irony is in sort of early February, we took our first meeting with Bell.

At the time, we were sort of talking about how, would you guys mind, Bell, would you guys be okay if we continued to do our show on Sirius and let you have the content? Because we thought, wow, wouldn't that be great for Sirius? Because we'd be on a huge terrestrial AM station promoting the fact that we're also available as a podcast and a SiriusXM product.

They win, everyone wins, we win. And then this comes down, and we had not quite done the deal yet, but it was close. And it's proposed to us, and part of us is thinking, you know, the guys at Sirius they took us on five years ago it's a tough decision almost believe it or not

a little bit of loyalty setting and we're thinking well the guys at Sirius they're nitwits but hey they gave us a shot they gave us a shot and so our initial thing wasn't we were going to leave Sirius and go to Bell it was like maybe we can make this work so that two different properties take our show. It's just content.

It's a brave new world. Maybe they'll all agree. And the guys at Bell were like, yeah, we got no problem with it. Bell was going to do it. And then we were going to actually pretend like Sirius was a sponsor, more or less, right? Because we could talk about them on the Bell Show to a terrestrial audience, to a free audience. Right, and get more,

you know, it was all going to be fantastic. And you, just in that scenario though, you're only live on SiriusX, so you're only live on Sirius. You appear on these other stations. No, no, no.

Well, at the time we were live, no. No, in February. In February we were live on Sirius and we were on a bunch of other, a couple other stations at that time. So if you want to hear this live,

then you need to hear it live. Right, and, but we thought, hey, there's a chance for us to be live on Sirius, and we were on a couple other stations at that time. So if you want to hear this live, then you need to hear it live. But we thought, hey, there's a chance for us to be live on Sirius, live on an AM station. Right. But not, okay, because you're not live on, so if you, I'm sure. We're live now. Now you're live, of course. But in February, this scenario didn't have you live on AM. Yes, it did.

Yeah. So, okay. It was. It just took a long time to come together. You know, when we started, the point about February was, when we started talking to Bell about doing a show for them, our loyalty was, and I'll tell you the truth, I didn't want to leave Sirius because it gave us a great story to tell our advertisers. But when we lost the series, then I told our, what did you tell your advertisers then?

I said, listen, you're going to get engagement from our podcast no matter whether we're on series or not and one of our sponsors the great uh tim niblet the retirement sherpa you know he mentioned last week or the week before you know he's still getting people he was getting people all summer and we weren't on anything all of aug, we were just doing the podcast again. Because you're fanatics, if I may call them that. The loyal, humble, and fed listener is a podcast listener. I believe this to be true. Yeah, you're right.

And I said this to you then, I say it now, even though you're live on 820, we're going to talk about that. But at the heart of this show that you guys produce, Monday to Thursday, when are you going to do Fridays again? In the winter, you're going to go back to Fridays? No, never. Okay, so Monday to Thursday, this live content that you produce. At its heart, it is a podcast.

Absolutely. This is what your show is. It might appear on different distribution channels, but you're a podcast. Mike, what we said, we got Jamie to do this imaging. It says basically it's a radio show that became a podcast that became a radio show again. But our commitment to our show was, if we go on AM 820, we weren't going to all of a sudden go, okay, traffic and weather coming up and blah, blah, blah.

We were just going to do what we consider to be a podcast on radio and see how it shook out. Let's get you to Funny 820 now. Funny 820 is, you said it's a big AM signal at a Hamilton. Comedy Superstation. I've heard people are getting the station from

like far away. Guy phoned us the other day. He was driving like into the west end of Ottawa and still got it with a crack and a pop. But that's amazing. I can't imagine. Like I'm in Peterborough all the time, loud and clear in Peterborough. And then there's people out west,

you know, London, you know, and well down into western Newborough. And then there's people out west, like London, and well down into Western New York. And of course, it's 2018, so there's apps where you can listen live as well. On TuneIn, on the iHeartRadio app. So it's not even like listening to AM radio. You're listening to digital

audio content. And the biggest difference, because I've never been a SiriusXM subscriber, so I never had access. Even being friends of you guys didn't get me a free subscription. I never could listen to you guys for free. Do you know how hard it was for us

to get a free subscription, Boone? What are you talking about? I could have got the app. I could have got it. We can give you the app right now. We'll hook you up. Well, it only took five years. Way to go, Howie.

That'll get shut down now. Oh, yeah. Really? Oh you up. Well, it only took five years to have this conversation. Way to go, Howie. That'll get shut down now. Oh, yeah, really? Oh, no. Oh, yeah. That thing is... Having said that, how are we going to get a corporate subscription to SiriusXM?

Because we like the service. Yeah. Most of it is... And you can write that off at tax time. Most of the stuff we like is the international stuff out of the States. Right. You know, I was listening to PGA Tour radio on the way here.

I love it. I like the spectrum. I like being able to listen to CNN and Fox News while you're driving along. It's a great service, and that's great to mention. We never had any problem with it. I loved it. We loved having... I'll tell you, at first

it was such a great thrill for us to get Americans who had never heard of us. And yes, some expats and stuff. But there was a few people that had never heard the show in Toronto that stumbled upon it, were searching around some comedy, and they became fans of ours. Brand new. Like, had no history with us. And I loved that, actually. Oh, you reminded me of one other thing I wanted to ask about with the demise of the serious deal.

Do you think it had anything to do with the Trump content? You guys are vocally, you talk a lot about Donald Trump. Do you think that it was too political for... No, I don't think they cared about our content at all. Because we always had fun with it. No, I don't think so, necessarily. Whether we did or didn't, I don't think our content had much to do with it. I think I don't think so necessarily. Whether we did or didn't, I don't think our content

had much to do with it. I think it was a combination of things. The drag of it is it's now a couple months later and we still don't really know. So they told you they were changing the station. This is how they made, that's a soft way of Joe, right? They're making changes to the channel.

And we're now in late September and what's playing in the mornings now? Do you know what's on Canada Laughs? Just stand-up. Stand-up comedy. Okay, and Todd's still there. Yeah. So they haven't changed Todd Shapiro.

I will say, whenever you went into that building, like the floor where all the people are, it's a depressing place, man. It really is. And I know a lot. Radio stations aren't what they used to be as far as like CFNY, The Edge. People were bouncing off the walls all day long,

creative, wanting just to have fun. And then in retrospect, you hear stories from within the walls and the usual suspects here, how bizarre they are to work for. But that's all we'll say on that. 820, and you started talking to them in February, and then I'm sure there were a lot of lawyers involved I guess when the series

says we're not renewing that's when you go back to 820 and say hey new deal sort of I'm guessing well they didn't care

yes and no yeah I mean it was sort of being sort of moved along what happened was the reason it didn't get done sooner was the guy we were

dealing with there a friend of ours that we had worked for, he retired. Oh, so a new person came in, they had to get up to speed and just sort of spring turned into, or, you know, late spring, then early summer. And, and that's why it took so long. And then when we told them, we're no longer on serious, the,

there's a guy named Mike neighbors that we deal with right at, at funny. He's a great, great guy. And we've known him a long time. And he's been so good about shepherding this along. And I know you're going to tie this into Dan Durant. I am going to tie this in. Okay, so Mike Neighbors, tell us how you, kind of in a strange way, how he was involved with the Humble and Fred show for years. Well, I did this weekly or daily show, a bit called The Humble Report.

Well, let's hear Dan introduce it and we'll talk about The Humble Report. The Humble Report. Do that again. No, that's Don Burns. That's not Don. The Humble Report. That's not Dan. That's Don Burns.

The Humble Report. Yeah. That's the late Don Burns. Yeah, I don't know where I got that clip. That wasn't, because I did use Dan Duran, but that's a really old clip. Dan used to do it live. Okay, I have multiple versions of this.

But that clip there, when I would, because what I used to do is in between the jokes, I would hit that. Oh, right, even when Dan was there? Yeah. Oh, okay. I used to just hit that stinger as an exclamation point on the bit. I was a listener throughout the 90s.

Play it one more time. Yeah, it's by Stomper. The Humble Report. Oh, yeah, that's Stomper. That's our boy, Tom. You're certain, right? Because you would know. A hundred percent certain.

Because it does sound like Dan. Not really. If you heard Dan's version of that. Okay, whose voice is this right here? It's the Humble and Fred show. That's Ian Howard. That's me and Fred. I played the wrong one. Here's the one I wanted to play. This is Humble and Fred.

That's Dan. James Earl Jones. It's Darth Vader and Dan Duran. So I this bit and I started off, I would write it all myself And then you know it's like I think maybe

What do you remember? Four stories? Three stories? Something or other I was writing my sports comment Right So every day I had to come up with It was like a weekend update

Every day And then I don't know How I found this guy And we talked about this With him the other day But it was called The Laugh Facts And for only I think it was called the Laugh Fax.

And for only, I think it was 25 bucks a month, he would fax me. No, I think you said 50 the other day. 50 bucks a month. He would fax me six pages of stuff. And he had a database. And it was like, not all jokes. Some was like on this day and anniversaries. And this is, you know. But there was always some stuff. Sometimes Some was like on this day and anniversaries and this is...

But there was always some stuff. Sometimes it was like this. I wouldn't use his joke, but his setup would inspire me for the joke and I would find it. But a lot of times I used his stuff and it became part of the 20 years of doing that bit.

Mike helped me write it. That's amazing. Mike Neighbors is his name. Mike Neighbors, and now he's the program director. Program, brand, what do they call them? Brand managers? At 820.

He's the ambassador of funny. And he's a big champion of yours. Yes, huge. Because you gave him 50 bucks a month. I helped put his children into... No, no, he had that station out there,

820, with this huge signal, and it's being an AM station, and they, you know, got this, the service obviously comes out of the States. Yeah. And, you know, and being responsible for the station, he's always thinking of how can we make it better?

What can we add to it? Wouldn't it be neat to have some live stuff? And that's when he thought of us. So you started, so you were going to debut last Monday. I was there, so there was technical difficulties and then I guess they fixed that on Monday so that you made your debut last Tuesday. Yes. And

early, so you're only a week into this thing, what's the early feedback? Because I know people who listen to AM Radio typically don't like change. Are there people saying, I miss my stand-up in the morning? I think there's been a few complaints. I think there's been a lot of people that are excited about it.

I think most people don't really... I don't know. I think if you were listening to that station, like, I'm a comedy fan. If I was listening to it and all of a sudden a show I didn't know came on, I might be pissed off. But you've got to remember, this radio station doesn't have a huge

audience. So it's not like we're replacing some heritage morning show or some heritage thing that has a huge following. We're sort of jumping in, even though it's been around for a couple of years now, the early stages, like we're giving them something they've never had before. So the only thing you compare it against is the standup. So I think a lot of people are going to be you compare it against is the stand-up. So I think a lot of people are going to be, hey, where's the stand-up? But once they listen, we'll go,

well, this is, it's different than what we're used to, but it's fun. It's good. It's current. It's today. And all those people that can't hear, I mean, I tell you what, I like it because all those people

that couldn't hear us live for the month or two that we were off, I think it's fun for them. I think we're getting some calls. Maybe it'll build, but I think a lot of people are streaming the show again, and we like doing it live because for the month or two

that we were not doing it on Sirius and just doing the podcast again, even though we started every morning at 7 a.m. to sort of the habit of doing it, at 7 o'clock, whether we started at 7 a.m. or 6. habit of doing it. At 7 o'clock. Whether we started at 7.01 or 6.59. It didn't really matter. And there's an element.

Not that podcasts aren't like radio shows. But there's a real. There's a bit of sizzle that happens. When you know that at 7 o'clock. I am live now. And people in their cars could hear this. You're right. If you misspeak. You can't edit that out.

Like it never happened. And it brings a different attention. never happened. Yeah, and it brings a different attention, I think, from him and I doing it that way. I really like it. Would that be fair?

Yeah, and I find it very exciting because I have noticed, especially in our demographic, you know, there was a time in recent history, AM radio, I never listened to AM radio.

I think a lot of our demographic has sort of gravitated back for news and sports, for specialty programming. And I think it doesn't sort of have that negative image that it did before. Well, ironically enough, you and I

ran into that in 2001 when we left the edge, thinking, oh, we'll just drag our audience with us right they were not ready for am radio no they were that at that point the stigma was there and they hadn't gotten used to listening to sports and news and talk it was all about the music so now you know as each day passes the demographic of people that need the radio for music is getting older and older or younger, whatever. You know what I'm saying?

Older people now aren't even getting their music from the radio. They know how to get it through other means. So what they want is information. They want talk. They want spoken word. So I think a lot of guys are flipping back day in because that's where they're getting it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Now this station's called Funny 820. So do you feel any... Is there any additional pressure to be funnier or are you just doing your show? I guess other than not swearing, because obviously you can't swear on 820. No, it's the exact same thing as serious. Is there any content difference

between the old show and this one? No, because we were on a comedy channel for five years and we didn't do comedy. There's not one thing. There's not one thing. We did no comedy. That we talked about on Sirius. We couldn't talk about on Funny 820,

other than maybe changing the language. Right. And Howard and I used to get compliments back in the edge days, because we talk about some pretty risque and edgy things, but it's how we, we did it cleverly. People knew what we were talking about without us really saying it.

Sure. And I loved those days. I thought that was a lot more fun. So I think we're leaning on that a bit now. But again, it's 2018. What you can talk about on the radio now is a lot different than it was 20 years ago, whether you swear or not.

The tolerance level's a little higher. Yeah, one time we got a compliment for that, and then it cut to me going, macaque. Macaque. Macaque. And structurally, there's four 25-minute, what do you call those? Yeah, I mean, that's the only difference,

because at Sirius, we could basically start at 7 a.m. and do anything we want for two hours. Now, we had some breaks. I think we broke once after 45 minutes, and then we'd break again after about 35 minutes, and that was it. But this station has a bit more structure, so we're doing 25-minute segments four times.

And then you can do what you call a podcast extra, where you can drop your F-bombs on that. Oh, yeah. Well, we did. We don't. No, I'm saying you could. I'm just saying you could, because CRTC doesn't give a crap

about the podcast. Now, I have a question from Steve Leggett. He has three quick questions. I'll read them real fast. Do they get paid anything to be on AM 820? Do they target advertisers in Hamilton or do they consider their show to speak to Toronto audiences?

Steve Leggett. Question one again. Do we get paid? Do they get paid anything to speak to Toronto audiences? Steve Leggett. Question one again. Do we get paid? Do they get paid anything to be on 820? No. Back in 2011, the Humble and Fred Radio Incorporated, HumbleandFredRadio.com Incorporated, we adopted a business plan that we still maintain,

and that's the way we want it. So 820 is a vehicle for us to present our show and sell ourself. We don't. What was the question about revenue? Okay, so the first one was, do they get paid anything to be on 820 AM? No licensing fee.

Do they target advertisers in Hamilton? No. Or do they consider their show to speak to Toronto audiences? No. Southern Ontario. We told you how big the... I'm just reading Steve's question.

No, no, no. I'm just saying where that signal goes. It's a big signal. No, we're not targeting him. We're talking to Southern Ontario, Western New York. Listen, Toronto Mike was there at the beginning. And one of the cool things that happened when we were just doing the podcast was we started getting emails from people like, hey, I listen to you guys in Tokyo or other people in the

UK, my brother in Edmonton. You know, we're at the point now in our final years of just doing the show that we want to do. That's why, you know, that's why we're not doing Hamilton weather and we're not talking about the Golden Horseshoe.

We're just doing our show and at some point, we'll stop it. That's an important distinction to make. So when you do these breaks, after 25 minutes you do a break, because they're going to then do their Hamilton news and weather, and you're not reading any of that. That's all happening in the Hamilton station. Yes, sir.

Hey, if somebody in Hamilton wants to sponsor the show, super. Sure, because you're southern on And if Howard got a lead, there's something in Hamilton. Well, we have, like Forty Creek and a few other sponsors that we almost nailed. Sure. We're from that area. But Well, we have like Forty Creek and a few other sponsors that we almost nailed. We're from that area. But no, it's like it's...

Where that station covers, Hamilton's just a dot. You know? And I know, I guess because it's Hamilton 828, I always wonder, like, do the Hamiltonians feel like they should have a Hamilton show? Well, remember what Fred said. I'm just wondering what happened, because I know what happened in Kingston.

Nobody, well, this is different. That's different. This station, honestly, I love it. In fact, it's funny, because I started listening to it. I think it's been around more than a couple of years, because I think it predates us being on Sirius. But the point is, yeah, I think so. Okay, I don't know. on serious.

But the point is, yeah, I think so. Okay, I don't know. Because you remember when we were on CFRB and St. Catharines and we were going to go on a funny station in London? Right, we did for a while.

For a while. So I don't think anyone is going to be pissed at us because we're not Hamilton-centric. Here's the difference, Mike. In Kingston, they couldn't get Toronto radio.

So they were very sort of, they had their own thing. Isolated. In Hamilton, they have this get Toronto radio. So they were very sort of, they had their own thing. Isolated. In Hamilton, they have this thing in radio and ratings called out-of-market tuning. In Hamilton, it's huge. All the highest rated stations in Hamilton are Toronto stations. There's a couple that do well, but they're not in that mindset. That's a key difference.

You couldn't get the Toronto stations from Kingston, but you can get it from Hamilton. So that's different than what happened at Kingston. Sean Hammond has an interesting question. He asks, have you figured out Phil yet? So Sean's clearly a listener of the Humble and Fred show, and I guess, how's Phil doing? Phil is your, what's his title? Producer?

Director of technology. He's the guy who fixes the printer and he edits. Yeah, Phil's doing fine. He's going to go have sex with Pearl in Singapore in early December. We love him. Okay, so just to bring people up to speed.

Yeah, and he's been there since very early days. I think you were two months in or something. Oh, not even. You know, we got to get our head around. Maybe one day he's going to walk in and say, I have a better opportunity and we won't be able to match. Wouldn't that be awful?

Wouldn't that be awful to lose? You could then bring in TMDS to take care of that. Who's that? That's me. I have my own digital service. Oh, right. I forgot. But Phil, who's doing a great job over there.

So back, Phil, let's go back, bring it back to Phil. Phil got married to a woman in Cambodia who they had only met a couple of times when they got married, right? Like, in fact, as we speak, even though they've been married, they've probably been married a lump of oil now, but they've only probably been in each other's presence like three times.

No, it's something like that. Something like that? Yeah. Which is why the marriage is so strong. Okay. I think it's interesting because we are used to like cultural norms that we experience

where you kind of, maybe Fred, you might meet a woman in high school and then you might date her. And maybe a couple of years later you get engaged and then you get married. And this is sort of a traditional like North American court courtship like you had with Delise, for example. This is something completely different with Phil that we're kind of like

hearing a whole different like approach to that old norm. This is completely different. Like this is like an internet long distance thing. It's fascinating. No, no. There was family involvement. It was arranged. I don't want to use that word.

Because he could have vetoed it. So it's not like hardcore arranged. It was people within the family thought they should get to meet. I don't know. I don't want to say it. I don't know. I don't want to say it. I don't know. But it was more than just

an internet thing. This wasn't a random internet meeting. No, no. I have a question. What do you got for snacks? I don't know. I have beer. I'm hungry. We're rocking. I wish I had known

I would have brought something. Some pretzels. I'm hungry. Hold on. We're rocking. I wish I had known I would have brought something. Some pretzels or... I'm hungry like the wolf. Peter Bro's wolf. Did you know there's a station called the Wolf in Peter Bro?

So Phil's okay and we don't... Yeah, Phil's fine. Phil's going to Cambodia. Oh no, Singapore, you said to have sex with his wife. I heard a little chatter

about buying condoms which I didn't understand at all because like why wouldn't you buy the condoms here and then... Because apparently I don't sell condoms that are small enough or round. That's nonsense. Do you know how many Asian people live in the GTA? 14.

Probably lots. Bob Markham, have you been there? I would think... Yeah, but only Asians in the GTA get Botox in their peckers. Do you know how they market... I'm surprised you didn't know that. Do you know how they market, and I don't know this. I'm surprised you didn't know that. Do you know how they market smaller condoms for cultures that have,

they call them snug fit. Because you're never going to call a condom small. No one will buy a condom that's called small. They call it snug fit. And that's code because some cultures have a... Hold me closer, tiny dancer. Just buy those long party balloons. Or buy a kitchen glove

and cut out the pinky. Do we know when Fred and Howard, do we know when Phil's wife will come to Canada? They're working on it. Maybe next spring. That will be something. And I'm sure that's the step

before making the babies. Oh, yeah. Are you going to coach them through that? I don't know. Help them out with that. Make sure he does it right. But I think Phil has been... That's what I said

one day. Howard will guide it in. It was a wondrous, wondrous day that Phil showed up on our door because this last seven years of our show would have been completely different without him involved. We love him like a son. Yeah, it's unbelievable. I don't think he's going to leave you.

He doesn't leave you. Here's what I think. It's not that he's going to leave us. It's that we're going to leave him. No, you know what I mean? I know, I know. On that note, though, is this your last? You know, you guys are... But we're going to retire.

He's going to retire first, and I'll just kind of keep it alive for a little while longer with him as an adjunct. But at some point, I'm going to say to Phil, okay, well, I'm done now, too, and he'll be 34 or something. And then what did we do with him? Maybe he can have his own show by then.

Yeah, maybe he can have his own show. Who knows what the world will look like then. Because he's a young guy, right? He's turning 30 this fall. Yeah, I'm in the broadcast world. Who knows? There might be a place for a guy like Phil and his wife. All the big conglomerates, cable companies, of course, and all these companies are

starting up podcasting divisions now. Like Rob Johnston just got rehired by Chorus to work with Troy Reed. Yeah, I was very happy to hear that. Rogers has an equivalent, Bill Media, CBC, of course, already had one for a while, but they all have these podcast divisions. But they're not quite sure what a podcast is. No.

It's not the same as what you guys are doing or what we're doing here, this indie vibe. It's not the same. No, a lot of them are just taking radio shows and packaging it. Yeah, it's a bit different. Gene Velitis, I've got to read this. This is important. Gene Velitis heard you were coming on Toronto

Mic'd and he says, tell them how proud broadcasters in Canada are of them as leaders in the screw you big companies. We're going to do this on our own movement. They lead the way. First out of the box. I am humbled.

No pun, Frederick. Love my brothers. So Gene Volaitis is a big, from Jesse and Gene, of course, big, big humble and Fred boosters. You know, that guy was, he's a sweetheart. Always has been. Always will be. He was one of those guys that, competitive, but always nice and always a good word. And he's just a nice guy.

You know, it's great to hear from Gene. We've been talking to Gene a little bit this summer about this and that and the other thing, as you know. And Jesse. And Jesse. And, yeah, we were very competitive with them early on. I mean, they weren't around that long while we were sort of... But in our development, there was Jesse and Gene and Brother Jake and Roger, Rick and Marilyn.

And we all kind of were getting started at the same time. But it was always very congenial. I'd known Jesse, Steve Woodman. I'd known him in another market. I worked with his sister. But it's nice to hear that. What I wanted to say is, you know,

we don't really have an appreciation for the appreciation of what we've done because we're doing it and we don't really, you know, we tend to focus on the negative because it's funnier.

Comedy is, you know, as you know, Mike, as you very well know, in every comedic uttering, there is a victim. You know, and if you look back at the funniest moment on this podcast,

when Fred mentioned that maybe your daddy doesn't like you because you took his hockey mask, the victim of that joke is you. Yes. But we tend to focus on things that are funny, and that usually is something that's you know a bitter or or you know a negative but we have heard from people like jesse and gene and other people that seem to have a very fond appreciation that we've been doing this

before the big guys in radio even had heard of a podcast and i can tell you from selling this thing seven years ago we needed a radio station to associate with because the people we were speaking to about advertising, they had never heard of a podcast. But I told Fred when we lost the serious gig, if the bell gig didn't come through, that we would survive because now it's on everybody's mind. That's a big part of that is Serial, the podcast called Serial,

which the masses, like the average Joes, suddenly dove into a podcast and discovered how easy it is to syndicate. I mean, you're not going to find a bigger booster podcast than I am. I think this is absolutely the future of broadcasting. You were before us. I mean, you're the one that brought it to us. But the speed is overwhelming and dramatic.

You know, and I said earlier, the demographic of people that are becoming more streaming and podcast friendly now, it's getting older every day. It's getting older and younger too because a couple years ago, Charlie, my oldest, who at the time I guess was 22,

she was telling me, she started to download podcasts. And then older people, and my brothers who are in their 60s, they have favorite podcasts. Yep. So, I don't know, I guess the point... Most Canadians have, by this point, most Canadians have tried a podcast.

And ironically, I think podcasting will save radio, ultimately. Interesting. Well, I just do, because there's no reason to listen to the radio for music. I say this all the time, but honestly, do you ask people? But how is podcasting saving radio when podcasting is an on-demand medium? No, this way. The style of content on a podcast

is going to end up on radio because they're going to need content. And they're going to need content that's compelling and hold people. And it's going to be spoken word. And I think so many people, the people in the podcasts are going to learn how to speak and how to carry on a conversation

for lengthy periods of time. And I think eventually radio, there'll always be radio signal. Radio will never die. It's how it will sound. And eventually it will be spoken word. And podcasts on radio, kind of like we're doing now, again, pioneering,

it's different than talk radio. It's different than talk radio because talk radio is still formatically archaic. Meaning they come on, here's the topic, and then 12 minutes later, here's another topic. And they're not doing real talk.

And they lean on the phones a lot. They lean on people. I don't want to hear what Margin Peterborough has to say. No offense to Peterborough. No, but that's my wife's biggest complaint whenever I listen to talk radio. She says, I don't care what these people on the phone have to say. I care what the host has to say. Or experts. I brought up PGA Tour radio.

I listen to it all the time. That's what podcasting is. It's a subject that I want to hear people talk about. Just like there's a million golf podcasts is. It's a subject that I want to hear people talk about, just like there's a million golf podcasts, like there's a million Leaf fan podcasts. So at some point, radio will just go, oh, why don't we now have a whole bunch of podcasters-style shows

so that if you're into whatever that subject is, you'll know that you have an hour to hear about it. What do you guys think of voice tracking in radio? Like, for example, the Edge 102 afternoon drive right now is hosted by a lady named Meredith

who sits in... No, no, I thought... What's his name was doing it? Fearless Friend. No, he went to the... He went to Q months ago. He went to Q107. Oh, okay.

What's he doing over at Q? Afternoons. He's doing afternoons on Q. Oh, so they have a chick from Vancouver doing it. Right. So Meredith is in Vancouver, and she does it live. She's on three or four other stations, too.

Yes, absolutely. I think it's horrible. I think it's awful. But apparently that's just temporary. Apparently it's temporary because the current morning show on Edge 102, which is your buddy Howard likes Kid Craig over there. I heard him do a couple breaks. I thought he was very good.

Well, they must think he's really good because Kid Craig and the other guy there him do a couple breaks. I thought he was very good. Well, they must think he's really good because Kid Craig and the other guy there whose name is eluding me right now, Irwin or something? They never tell you their last name.

That's right. Carly. They are now, they're going to eventually become Afternoons, but they're not going to be Afternoons until the new morning show

launches on Edge 102. Have you heard about this yet? They are going to be the afternoon show? Yeah. Do you know who the morning show is? Yeah. A brother and sister the morning show is? Yeah.

A brother and sister act. A brother. Okay. So Alex and Ruby Carr, who currently are on the air in Vancouver. Not together. Not together. Right. But they're siblings, like you said.

And it's being billed as the first pair of siblings morning show, which I'm here to tell everyone is bullshit. That's in the press release by CORE. Bullshit. Because Bill Hayes was on with John Derringer doing mornings at some point. Like, I'm just saying, they're not the first sibling team to do mornings in this country. But do you have any thoughts on these changes at Edge 102? I do.

I think who's ever in charge now has no appreciation for the history and where that station was, where it came was, where it came from, what it was all about. Because when I heard, listen, the siblings may end up being great, maybe the greatest thing that ever happened to radio. But from an imaging standpoint, seems pretty cheesy to me that that station, 102.1 The Edge, Spirit of Radio, Cutting Edge, let's get the brother and sister act. It just seems a bit cheesy contrived maybe

contrive for that station kinnicky yeah i could see that on a ch of fires you know what i mean like not on that station so hey they may be great but they don't that radio station who's ever in control now just that they have no mind to its history and what it was all about and what made it special. Whoever's in charge, though, is also in charge of Q107. So the woman they brought in from Winnipeg. Of course they are, because one person runs 15 stations in every

market now. By the way, speaking of CHFI, and again, not to be negative, but, and I keep forgetting to bring it up on the Humble and Fred show, but those bus shelter boards, those billboards. Yes, with Moe. With Darren and Moe. You want to talk about cheesy.

There's a shot of he's the wacky guy and he's like this and he's standing behind her and she's like, got her arms crossed like, oh, you silly. And I thought to myself, you know. But they're doing gangbusters over there. Like, I hear what you're saying. Because the people that listen to that station, that's fine with them. But I just find it like, it's so old-fashioned.

It's so, as you say, cheesy. But it sort of fits for them. That's what I'm saying. If you found out that Darren and Mo were leaving CHFI and, hey, we got a brother-sister act, you'd think, oh, that sort of fits. That type of thing. But that type of advertising is almost like Three's Company. You know, he's a wacky guy and she puts up with his nonsense.

Mike, I'm really, really hungry. I know. I can get you like rice cakes. Do you want rice cakes? No, the history of The Edge, CFNY, it was always the people. Yes, it was the music, but it was the people around the music

that really made that station what it is. And now that that demographic doesn't need the radio for music, this is what it's come to? But I would say to you, sir, that not knowing the history of that radio station isn't a crime because most people now, most people that do appreciate and have an affection for those times, they're not, they don't, the person programming isn't looking for those. Scott Turner had Spirit of Radio Sundays.

So Scott was driving down to Keynes Key to do Spirit of Radio Sundays. And guys our age, like we were all into that show because it was like the old CFNY we love or whatever. And then it was a decision by Chorus that the wrong listeners, because we need younger listeners, and the old farts are loving the show, and they're all listening, but we don't want those listeners. And they canceled that show so they could just be consistently

going for whatever. But it makes sense. They're down to like a 2.1 share now? Yeah. But that's the weird thing. It's like, you know, because we had talked about this with somebody in the last year

and we were talking about what would you do with the Edge and I said, you know, they were not going to get the younger demos anymore. What they could get, though, is they could turn it into a triple A, you know,

adult alternative and bring back the Humble and Fred show and the Maypots and just give up trying to get... They already have Alan Cross. Give up trying to get 18-year-olds and get 50-year-olds. How do you get an 18- to 24-year-old

to listen to your radio station for music? They don't need to. No, I know. I have a couple of teenagers But you could do something special. They don't touch radio. But you could do something special with that station

and make it almost like an alternative oldies. Right. Invent that format. But even if you want to go after the young people, that's why you need characters and people more. Because those kids can get the music anywhere they want. They would go to the edge to hear the music and people talk around it about the music

or interviews with the bands that do the music and all that. And especially that demo when they can see a million YouTube stars, Instagram celebrities. They're not going to buy a brother-sister act going, oh, mom always liked you best. And let's not kid ourselves. Yeah. A lot of them, they know the solutions, but it's way too expensive. So they don't even want to consider it. And no one wants to take a chance.

No one wants to be the person that goes, you know what? Here's what I think we should do. I don't know if we've talked about this the last time we did your show, but we went to Chorus a couple years ago with their talk property, AM640, and said, yeah, you know, listen.

You're not making any money. It's costing you millions. Here's what you should do. Give it to us. Give us the channel. I remember this, yes. Because the person who would remember this, yes. Because the person who would have to say yes to that would have their balls in a vice

because if it doesn't, it's not working now but at least it's not working now and everyone bought into it. It's horrible right now. I took it off. By the way, as bad as I think it is I hope none of them die in a fire. No. I don't want anyone to die in a fire.

Bob Willett wants me to ask you to rank all of your producers. Now, he's just kidding with that. You don't have to rank all of your producers. But he says, how about he goes, complete this sentence. This is still Bob talking. In today's media landscape for a morning show to be successful, it must have dot, dot, dot. So that's Bob Willett.

Say that again. I have it. I have it. It must have real personalities. Real talk. Authentic, historic, real people talking about their real lives. Did Bob ask you to answer that?

I'm sorry. Did you want to take this one? What was that question again? I'll read it exactly right. He says, in today's media landscape, for a morning show to be successful, it must have dot, dot, dot. And I said real personalities.

No, I agree. Less music, real personalities. Yeah. But what you said, real talk, authentic talk, is what real... It must have really good broadcasters. And I'm not saying that some of these young kids aren't, but the irony is it's people with experience

that can handle this much content dissemination. Yeah. And here's the problem. A lot of the young broadcasters now, they're not learning anything more than cracking the mic open for 20 and 30 seconds, right? It's not teaching them anything. Where ironically, these same services

are going to need long-form spoken word, and these kids aren't learning it because they're told to backsell a song and shut up. Yeah. Right. That's what I say. And I think I got, this is my question. That's what I say.

I think I've answered it. That's what I say. That's what I say. Does radio have to be local? No. Can you do a successful Toronto radio show from Vancouver? Yes. I think in small communities, it's very good.

In larger ones, it's not. Well, but here's why. Because I was listening to the beginning of Hank Haney's show on the way here, and I don't care where Hank Haney lives. I just care about his content. But that's like Howard Stern, right? People will listen to Howard Stern in Toronto and enjoy it, even though he's in Manhattan.

So why is that different, I guess? Well, it's different because if I want the weather, it's in my hand, or the latest news. I don't need Howard to tell me that. So I guess then, why can't Meredith be in Vancouver and do a Toronto radio show?

Why not? I don't care. Okay, because... Oh, no, no, no. What bothers me about it is, no, I don't like it from the standpoint that it's cheap. It's taking away jobs from people. It's taking away jobs from people. And when you say local, I'm not talking about, you know, you know, garage sales and stuff.

It still would be neat to have the announcer in the seat referencing where they're living. And I don't mean. But I don't think that's as vital. I don't mean micro local. need to have the announcer in the seat referencing where they're living. And I don't mean micro-local, but in a small community, right? Especially a lot of small communities have lost their newspapers now. Yes. It's one way for you to know what's going on in your community. Well, if you're in Toronto, I don't need the radio station to be super local because I can find out about my world in so many ways. Lots of channels.

Television and apps and services. The computing machine. Humble, we need a quick personal update. And yes, I know you're hungry and we're wrapping up very shortly. That's fine. I just think that next time I'd like some nuts. Hey now. Yeah.

I got some nuts in urine. Do you like some nuts in urine? Hey, how about some nuts and lemonade? Oh, you got... You sucked me in last time. You made me touch his nuts and gave me his pee-pee. 2820. Yeah. Humble your love life, okay?

Yeah. So, okay. All right. Let's have a little bit of real talk here, which is that... What's looking? You famously... You're ridiculous. Fam... You famously dated a younger woman. I did.

She was on the show. She was on the show twice. Heartbreaking. Do you pay for her breast enlargement? No, we got a deal. From Dr. Slayholm. Who did your breast? For nothing.

Did they take Fred's breast and put it into... Into Lady Friend's titty pump. At the time, were you upset at all that you had been through this surgery with her to enhance her bosom and then you guys broke up? That was one of the many reasons.

There was more to the relationship than a pair of boobs, Mike. Although I still have them on my phone if you'd like to see them. Do you? Well, we'll put them on TorontoMike.com. Now, we wouldn't do that without her explicit permission. That's not right. That's not right, Judge Kavanaugh.

If you put it in front of me right now, I would close my eyes. That's how adamant I am about this. Holy shit. You can't see your grandfather. Yeah, very nice. Okay. Humble your love life.

I learned through Facebook that your ex, this younger woman, just got married to somebody else. I know. And I called her. Why don't you just take a fucking knife and run it through him? No, exactly.

Because... Here's some audio of you giving out your... I called her and congratulated her. We had a lovely conversation. Do you have a gun? No, because I know how happy Howard is right now in his love life. So that's where I'm going with it.

Here, Howard. Here's some audio of you jerking off to... Tell him, update us. You have found love. Well, I have found someone that's fantastic. Girlfriend Rachel, I call her. I concur. Who I've met because I met her at Scannabush. Yes, she's

lovely and she's smart and delicious. And why is she with you? Just kidding. Is there any wedding bells in your future? We can call her Rachel. Yeah, Rachel. No, you know, I love what we have going right now and I want to move

in with her and I don't want to get married again and I like being alone at times as does she. We see each other, we probably spend every weekend together and one day during the week or maybe a couple, depends on the week. But I like it. I've

really kind of grown to enjoy being by myself. And I really like having her in my life. So she's not leaving more things at your place all the time, like slowly moving in. She is indeed doing that. That's a tactic. It's happening. You will be living with this woman within

the next 12 months. FYI. Heads up. You know what you could do? You could get some celery and peanut months. FYI. Heads up. You know what you could do? You could get some celery and peanut butter. Or cheese. I am happy for you. She won't be moving

in his place because it's way in the West End. It's way in the... Right. Yeah. And she's age appropriate? Is that a term I can use?

Not that Lady Friend was not age appropriate. I don't mean that Lady Friend was... She wasn't too young. She was much younger than you. Well, you're saying that was inappropriate.

Not in my eyes. Rachel, I think Rachel's the same age as ex-wife, I think Rachel's 53 or 54. Okay. I should know that. I think she's four years younger than me. Do you find, though, that now that you're with somebody closer in age,

that some things are easier now? Like, maybe... Everything is easier. She's just so... It's just more... You know, from little things, like when we listen To Yacht Rock And Sirius XM

You know She knows all the songs From the 70s She can name the Beatles Oh yeah Knows all the songs From the 70s And no it's been great

And she's very smart And well traveled And the thing about Rachel Is that she's so good with me She's just so easy peasy With me And you know She's not

There's no It's not up and down All the time It's not volatile It's not volatile Thank, you know. It's not volatile. It's not volatile. Thank you. It's stable. It's much more stable.

Which is good for your stress levels and anxiety. Oh, yeah. She's a nice woman. She's good for him. And she's attractive, which is a bonus.

She's an attractive woman. I think she's very attractive. I like making out with her face. Yeah, no, good for you, buddy. I'm going to be doing some of that later.

That's good. No, so, Rachel, that's great that you have this. And happy for your ex as well who is a lovely person, just wasn't right for you, buddy. I'm going to be doing some of that later. That's good. No, so Rachel, that's great that you have this. And happy for your ex as well, who is a lovely person, just wasn't right for you. And she's married now, and I'm sure she'll be pregnant within the year. Second. She's probably getting pregnant right now.

That's right. It's happening right now. Fred. Fred. How did Peter Gross end up at CFNY? I need to know, because Peter Gross is coming over tomorrow, and I see that he spent time at CFNY when you were there. Because Pete, I think he was let go by Citi. Yes.

And he was looking for a job and they just thought it would be a good idea, maybe with his profile. I think they brought him in to do weekend sports. And then when I was on holidays, he would fill in. And then I think he actually started doing music shifts, if I'm not mistaken. Didn't last very long, but I like Peter Gross.

I learned. I'm sorry, what is Peter Gross doing now? 680. Oh, yeah, he's still there. He's been great. He's great. I worked with him. Well, he worked with us briefly.

Yeah, I. He did some sports, filled in for Fred a few times. I learned. Really? I used to study him because I used to like his writing because he could say a lot in few words. And it's, you know, being on rock radio and being a sportscaster, that was very important.

He had the world according to gross. And very smart, smart man. Smart man. Smarty pants. Loves the horses, loves the ponies. Loves the ponies. Yeah. Good guy.

And a great writer too. Yeah. Very good writer. Because I'd listen to his sportscast and I think, geez, that, you know, and I got longer than on the CFL. Why? I think he was on two minutes and he said a lot. And then I would listen and think, oh, okay.

So I learned a lot from that guy. Howard, did you ever listen to Fred Patterson kicking out the jams? He kicked out the jams about a year ago. Did you ever listen to that? Oh, yeah, he did. We played his 10 favorite songs of all time and he told us why he loved the songs. I heard it. He didn't hear it. No, I'm being serious. No, I didn't

hear it. Okay, I'm just curious. Your partner, like your life partner. Have you listened to my recent interview with Dr. Carl Morris on Swing Thoughts, my golf podcast? But the difference is I don't care for golf, but you love music, so that's why. I will listen to it. I will kick out some jammies.

And I know what you're getting at. You want him to do it. Well, you know, I was thinking early on. Why don't you do it right now, Howard? I'll go get you a sandwich. Listen, if I had a hoagie, do they still call them hoagies? I don't know. It depends where you are. I think it's hoagie somewhere.

Because I can't have hoagies anymore because of the toe gout. Like a gouty toe. Go see a doctor and get that diagnosed. I bet you it's not gout. I would bet. You want to bet? I don't want to put a lot of money on it

because I'm not a betting man, but I would bet it's not gout. Well, you can't bet it's not gout and then say, I wouldn't put a lot of money on it. Well, I would put, I'm a $5 bet guy. All right, I will bet you $5.

How much longer is this going on? I'm thinking I'm at about 450 milliliters right now. He's going to have to dump his piss bag. That was the cue I was waiting for. I was waiting for that piss bag to come up. Okay. That's right. Look at Mike.

Look at Abby. Mike's looking at Abby going, not in my house. No, go nuts. I just installed a new toilet for TMDS clients and guests like yourself Please A brand new toilet Really? It's exciting, right?

Guys What a pleasure You haven't been here since episode three No, yeah 200 That's a long time ago This is like three

I don't know I want to come back and kick out the jammies Yeah If you give me a list of 10 favorite songs of all time I will set them up

in the soundboard You come over and we'll do it And by the way ever since you told me a list of 10 favorite songs of all time, I will set them up in the soundboard and you come over and we'll do it. And by the way, ever since you told me about that, I started thinking about what I would give you

and why these songs are important to me. I know you don't listen to Toronto Mike because you're such a busy guy golfing with the girlfriend and stuff,

but if you did, there's 55 episodes where people come back. People like Stephen Brunt and Dave Hodge and fascinating people play the songs, tell us why they love the songs, and it's really compelling. I find it

personally really interesting. Dave Hodge was down here. He did his top twice actually. Twice? Yeah. So he won't do our show because it's too early in the morning. I let him pick his time slot. That's the difference. That's the difference. Is he still going to be on TSN this year? No. He's gone. He's been gone for a while now.

When the Reporters was cancelled, he quit. Oh, okay. Because he had nothing to do over gone. He's been gone for a while now. Oh, okay. Yeah, when the Reporters was cancelled, he quit. Oh, okay. Because he had nothing to do over there. He's still at every concert, though. I know how he's

going to take it. We're done. No, it's fine. Good luck with 820. Thank you. Continued success. Where's the new toilet? Toilet over there.

Right there. I love you, Mike. I love you guys, too. I love everything you stand for. Thank you so much. And that brings us to the end. What are we on?

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And Paytm is at Paytm Canada. See you all tomorrow when Peter Gross is on the show. up rosy and gray yeah the wind is cold but the smell of snow