Toronto Mike'd: The Official Toronto Mike Podcast - J Gold Kicks Out the Jams: Toronto Mike'd #419

Episode Date: January 10, 2019

Mike catches up with Joel Goldberg before they play and discuss his ten favourite songs of all-time.

Welcome to episode 419 of Toronto Mic'd, a weekly podcast about anything and everything. Proudly brought to you by Great Lakes Brewery, Propertyinthe6.com, ATM Canada, Palma Pasta, Fast Time Watch and Jewelry Repair, and our newest sponsor, Buckle. that's b-u-k-l i'm mike from torontomike.com and joining me is a man i like to call jay gold he also goes by joel goldberg in the house kicking out the jams welcome back joel thank you Thanks for having me, Mike. I've been enjoying the last few episodes of your podcast, especially Wes and James B. Were your ears ringing when I was recording? Both those episodes had numerous Jay Gold shout-outs. Because let's tell everybody how you know these guys.

Tell us, remind us, because you had a previous episode. I can't remember what number, but you've been here before, like for a deep dive, and it's amazing. I've been here once by myself and twice as Ziggy's sidekick, which I love. So this is your fourth visit. That's right. And normally you're, yeah, Ziggy's chauffeur and security guard? Yeah, you could call her security guard. I got her home in one piece.

Zig, you know, after one beer is gone. She's lost. So she had one of these amazing Great Lakes beers. I think it was this one. It was the handcrafted Scotch Ale. Oh, that'll do it. Ziggy, that'll do it for Ziggy. Ziggy, I noticed somebody pointed it out, and it's true, that I've taken the two photos of Ziggy. She's been on twice. She was on recently to kick out the gym. And in both photos, she's kissing me. Yeah, well.

And it's not a coincidence. It's by request. I've made the request, and she's been kind enough to oblige. Ziggy is awesome. Just awesome. I like the way she articulates her thoughts, the way she packages. I could listen to that forever. I find it very entertaining. Not only is she very articulate, she's a great writer as well. I mean, she wrote the book,

Life on Venus Avenue. And she's an amazing person. What a life. She lived a life. I was going to say, she was on Bizarre, John Biner's Bizarre, which recorded in Aging Court. That's right. Of course, Super Dave Osborne, I became aware. I know he did some stuff earlier with John Biner, but I became aware of Super Dave because of his appearances on Bizarre. Me too. And it's too bad you didn't bring her today.

I want to talk to her about Super Dave. It's funny because I'm recording two episodes today. So first we're kicking out the jams and then this afternoon Tyler Stewart of the Bare Naked Ladies is coming on and I'm opening with Super Dave stuff because he apparently was like Super Dave's personal assistant when he had his own show at Global. Yeah. I didn't know that. Wow. And the reason I know this is sort of bizarre, no pun intended, is that, I don't know,

are you allowed to say the name Gian Gomeschi? Can I say that name? So I found an interview with Super Dave Osborne on Q, and Gian Gomeschi is chatting with Super Dave before they start recording, and they kept this in the video. But in the beginning, and I'm going to play it for Tyler, but in the beginning, Bob Einstein, Super Dave Osborne,

is trying to ask Gian, what's the name of that guy in the big Canadian rock band? They're doing this whole game, and it turns out he's talking about Tyler because he was pissed at Tyler because way back in the day, Tyler was late picking him up from the airport or something. Anyways, this is going to be pretty interesting. Well, I'm a huge Barenaked Ladies fan and Tyler Stewart's an amazing musician. They're all great musicians. So let's start with that. Did you have, like, for those who don't know, we'll go over some of your, we'll do recap some of your like greatest hits hits, as they say. But you created Electric Circus.

That's correct, yeah. With a bunch of people. I don't want to take... I know, you always have to say that. You want to name the people quickly? Sure, absolutely. The early team was John Martin, of course. First of all,

Electric Circus was Moses Neimer's idea. We have to get that straight. It was he who... All praises due was Moses Neimer's idea. We have to get that straight. It was he who... All praises due to Moses. That's right. It was the end of Toronto Rocks, and he wanted something to fill that hole that Toronto Rocks left,

and he thought a dance show would be great. So it was John Martin he contacted first. He said, John, put something together. John pulled me in as producer. And my associate producer was Sharon Cavanaugh. That was the team, really, John, myself, and Sharon, who put the show together. And some of the veteran people who were working for John at the time, Janice Groom, who was a production coordinator, and Tom O'Neill, who was the director there, who did most of the multi-camera directing.

They came in and helped out in the early days and sort of gave us templates to work with. And then we were off to the races. But it was rough in those early days. No, I remember those early days. And we've talked many times. I'm sure we've talked about the cowboy. Did we talk? Yeah. We talked about that. Yeah, Kendrick.

And that's Dalton Pompey's father. That's right. And he had a single called Summertime, Summertime, which for a good long stretch, I played it every episode, so I won't play it today. He was a great guy, too, by the way. Very nice person. He became a celebrity. He had his image,

and he marketed it a little. He had that one single. I don't know if it got airplay or not. I don't have any sense of that. A little, I think. And he had a video. Yeah. Cool. A couple of things.

One is, did Barenaked Ladies ever cross your paths in much music? No, just peripherally in the hallways. Now, Kevin Hearn, who plays keyboards and guitar for Barenaked Ladies, was in Look People. And I became very good friends with Kevin back in the day because I collaborated with Look People on like six of their music videos.

So this explains why you were so keen on listening to the James B. Well, not only that, I, James B is one of my heroes. I, he just, he is an incredible personality, but he's one of these people who is selfless. He, his life is promoting Toronto and promoting music in Toronto. And, you know, he said it on your podcast, the best way. He said, my life is basically trying to get people off their asses in front of the TV into a place where they can sit and listen to amazing music. And in Toronto, the music, the live music that we have, from jazz to folk to rock to funk to

pop, anything, it's all out there every weekend for people to see, and you've got to go out and support live music. I mean, I'm a little biased because I'm so close to it, but I thought James was a fantastic guest. He was amazing. He was amazing. You've got to have him on again. I will. Are you kidding me? I will. No, he was

tremendous, and just so much Toronto history, I want to say, going back to the 80s. And it was just amazing. I love him like a brother. He's an amazing person. So I'm looking now at the Look People album that I showed you just before we pressed record. But really quick before Jane St. Clair here finishes. There, it finishes now. But before, we love it when Drake drops a reference to, he'll drop a reference to Jane and Weston in one of his songs.

And even I feel it. We get all excited and proud. He's repping the hometown. But BNL, Barenaked Ladies, yeah, Look People people of course but bare naked ladies forever have been dropping like toronto references absolutely repping the city west as well you know yeah for and on 416 and the 905 and conducting things talking about kennedy station uh yeah the uh bare naked ladies uh to me, have always been a Toronto band.

And they make sure people know it. And I mean, so Jane St. Clair, I mean, I know you talk about the old apartment. They talk about the old house on the Danforth. Yep. How much would that cost today? I always think that. Like, they bought that old house on the Danforth. Like, that's all they could afford.

Yeah, Brian, we need to know. Like, how many millions of dollars would that house cost today? I'll ask Tyler when he comes on later today. But, okay, so many things that tie together here. But I showed you this piece of vinyl, Look People, and Kevin Hearn's on the back of this album. And this is Small Fish, Big Pond, which you said is the second best Look People album. In my opinion. And this is Small Fish Big Pond, which you said is the second best look people have. In my opinion. I like boogasm, but I'm biased because most of the music videos I did are off boogasm.

Well, that's super biased. I'm glad you declared it. So the quick story is that when James B. came over, he gave me two pieces of vinyl. And I took a picture of them and I tweeted them out. Hey, great. Thanks so much. And then someone tweeted back that they've been trying to collect all the look people. He was a big collector.

But he couldn't. One of the other ones. I can't remember the name of the other one. I saw that tweet. Big Fish Red. No. Okay. The other album, which name will come to me in a minute.

He tweeted back that I was lucky to have that because it had eluded him. He had been searching for this to finish, to finish his collection or whatever. He couldn't find it. So I'm like DM me buddy. Like, and I just told him like, it's yours, it's yours because it'll mean more to way more to him than to me.

And I have the one here, like my souvenir of James's visit. And I'm happy with that. And, and I just like, I was going to bike it to the guy. I don't know why in my head, everybody lives kind of like within like an hour of me or something on a bike

ride. And I figure he's a Toronto guy. I'm Toronto Mike, whatever. I'm like, where are you? And I'll bike it to you. And he's like,

I'm in St. Catherine's. Oh man. So I'm like, I gotta, I gotta package this up and mail it. I'm like, nah.

And I just tweeted out like, is there anybody on Twitter out there who is currently like in Toronto or Mississauga where I could bike to you, but will soon be in St. Catherine's. Right. And there's a guy who like lives near Casa Loma who said like, well, is currently in Toronto or Mississauga where I could bike to you, but will soon be in St. Catharines. And there's a guy who lives near Casa Loma who said, well, my boy's got a hockey game in St. Catharines on Sunday.

Excuse me. And I happily biked it to him. And he happily dropped it, hand-delivered it to this gentleman in St. Catharines. How cool is that? That's awesome. And he's got his Look People album now. There you go.

So I just thought that was a nice story of how Twitter can be a force for positivity instead of slagging somebody. Absolutely, man. That's great. Yeah, very cool. So you listened to the James B. You enjoyed that.

Loved it. And I loved Wes, too. Yeah. Well, Wes loves you, man. Yeah. How many Wes videos did you direct? Seven. And that includes

Let Your Backbone Slide and Drop the Needle. Drop the Needle, Pushing Wigs Back, 416 to the 905. This is your theme song. I got a... Because we're going to kick out the jams. Right on. This is your theme song. Because we're going to kick out the jams. Right on.

But this is not one of your jams. One of my all-time favorite songs, though. We'll just let it brew as we catch up. I'll just let it brew in the background. But this, of course, is Ian Hunter. Ian Hunter, man, yeah. And Cleveland Rocks, because you're a Cleveland guy. I'm a Cleveland guy, born and raised in Cleveland.

Very proud. And remind me, how old were you when you came here? Well, I'm not sure how old I was. It was right after I graduated university, so 21, 22, around there. And my parents are both from Toronto, so we had traveled up here a lot. When I came up, I was working for my uncle, who ran a restaurant supply business, and just chilling. And then I started taking, because I had graduated with a degree in communications, I started taking PA jobs and things like that. And little by little, I ended up staying. And Toronto, which was always my second home, has now become

my first home. I was going to ask you, what's home today? Like, I'm going to say, where's home? Well, Toronto is home. Cleveland has my heart, though. I'm an Indians, Cavs, and Browns fan for life. But here in Toronto, I'm a Leafs and Argos fan. So there you go. Gotcha, because there's no conflict. You don't cheer for Columbus or anything like that. No. Actually, Columbus, I think, geography-wise, is further

from Cleveland than Toronto is. You know, somebody told me, I don't want to say his name in case this was a secret, but I heard that Geraldo Rivera now lives in Cleveland, somebody told me, and that his son goes to a camp in Toronto, so Geraldo's driving to Toronto all the time or something.

I don't know. Well, a lot of people who I grew up with did summer camps in northern Ontario. Well, maybe the bus leaves from Toronto and then goes up to northern Ontario. But Geraldo, eh. Anyway, he's an interesting character.

I'll get him on Toronto Mike to catch up with him. So, back in So yeah, anyway, he's, there's an interesting character. I'll get him on Toronto Mike to catch up with him. So, back in the day, I'll just take Ian down here because I want to play something else. But back in the day,

you originally were known as Jay Gold. Right. And let me play the promo and then we'll talk about it briefly. Right on. There's something else. Hi, and welcome to day two of Something Else.

I'm Jay Gold here with my little buddy, Bogey. And we'd like to reiterate that Something Else is your show. Give us a line. Oh, here you go, Bogey. Give us a call. Drop us a line. Let us know what you want to see on the show. In the weeks to come on Something Else, we'll be showing you a wide variety of features,

what's happening on the streets of Toronto in music, theater, arts, and a whole lot more. Yeah, that voice changed. Yes, it did. So who's Bogie? Who is that Bogie? Vince Alexander was the producer of the show. It was called Something. I love that show, by the way. And Bogie was our mascot. He was a dog.

And he was a great dog. Loved him. But I think in that moment, he jumped on my lap while I was doing my throw. Oh, he threw you. So, yeah, Something Else, and that was a CFMT show? Right, which is now Omni, and that was with Shirley McQueen,

who went on to an amazing career as a radio DJ and just one of these people who's so passionate about music and Canadian music. I love Shirley. Well, we know her best from Q107. That's right, the Mighty Q. She's amazing, Mighty Q, absolutely. She is amazing. So you were Jay Gold,

and then when you left, did you think we wouldn't notice that you changed your name? You didn't want to keep Jay Gold. Well, no. After, I think something else did two, three seasons. After it was canceled, I stayed on, and I did another show called Rockline,

and I decided to change my name back, which was very confusing, but I didn't care. At that time, I was sending weekly demo tapes to Moses Nimer over at City, because I really wanted, I wanted City, I wanted much music. So as much as you wanted, you weren't going after Toronto Rocks.

Yeah, I was going after Toronto Rocks, not much music, that's right, Toronto Rocks, much I don't even think existed then. So it was Toronto Rocks and I really wanted, that was my utopia and eventually I got it. I was very lucky. You could have been, yeah, you now, but you're not the next J.D. Roberts.

Speaking of like Fox personalities, because Geraldo ended up there at some point. And then, yeah, J.D. Roberts, John Roberts. But yeah, very interesting because I was a big Toronto Rocks guy. But at the same time, you had video hits with Samantha Taylor. Samantha Taylor, that's right.

So, and then I, J. Gold, so Mark Weisblatt from 1236, he remembers something else with you. I actually, I don't, Ed Conroy tried to jog my memory, but it wasn't there. Like, it just, I couldn't find it in my memory. We were early, early in that sequence. There was a couple of things before us, but it was all out of MTV. It was called MTV in the day, even though it was all out of MTV. It was called MTV at the day. Even though the channel was CFMT,

it was MTV. And that was before there was an MTV. Interesting. And there was a couple of music shows on before us, and I think with John Major and Sam Taylor as well. And John Major went to Tron Rocks, and Sam Taylor went to Video Hits at CBC.

Man, that's the time, man, when videos were just sort of coming. They're all on the poster that I... Okay, the poster. Thanks for reminding me. So, in fact, earlier we talked about Ziggy. The primary reason... Well, there's lots of reasons I wanted Ziggy on the show, but I pursued her because of her speech

at this event. Okay, so Ed Conroy is a, well, he works with you. That's right. We're developing a couple of projects. You know what, I'm jealous of you guys over there, because it's like, come on, bring in some TMDS. Because, of course, Ed Conroy is Retro Ontario, if you don't recognize the name Ed Conroy. But he invited me to this event a few years ago. This was like for Christopher Ward's book, right? What was the book called again? I have it somewhere. Is This Live. Is This Live.

It's very good. So it documents the first 10 years of Much Music, yeah. And it was almost like a Much Music reunion of sorts. Like remind us who made an appearance at this event. Well, all the VJs were there. Laurie Brown, Master T, Christopher Ward, of course, Denise Donlan, Kim Clark Champness, Michael Williams. It was an amazing evening. Erica M couldn't make it because she has a business and she was on a business trip out east.

Oh, you all have businesses. Oh, she was out of town? She was out of town. That's a good excuse. And basically we brought them all on stage and did interviews with them, Christopher and I, and then we, in between the interviews we showed vintage footage that

Retro Ontario found of the early days of Much Music. An amazing event, and then that's where, when Ziggy spoke, she was so... By the way, I'm looking at this poster you've given me, okay? This is amazing. Yeah.

That was from Graffiti Magazine. I think the guy's name, Ted Burley, was the editor. And it was a pop culture magazine that was very popular in those days. Mid-80s, I guess. Can you name the people here? Well, okay, left to right is my the lovely Shirley McQueen, who is amazing. Next to her is Christopher Ward. Next to him is J.D. Roberts, then Samantha Taylor, and then Erica M., and then me. I'm right below Erica. Then Catherine McClanahan is right next to me. Why don't I remember Catherine?

She was a MuchMusicVJ for about an eye blink, and then she moved to LA. If you read it in the book, there's some interesting stories. And then next to her is the late, great John Major, who's an amazing person. And next to him, oh, I can't see. Oh, next to him is my homeboy, Michael Williams.

Wait, wait, wait. Why is he numerous times said he'd come on and yet will ghost me or disappears on me when it's time to schedule his visit? I don't know.

Let me give him a call. He'd love this. Maybe I'll have to chaperone him just like a chaperone Ziggy. Yeah. I got a whole list of people you got to chaperone. Michael Williams

would be an amazing interview. That guy is an encyclopedia of music. And people think of him as Mr. Soul in the City, Mr. Rap City, but he knows about every different type of music. He's just an amazing person. And he's from Cleveland, like me. Well, I won't hold that against him. But of course, as you know, there's a Great Lakes Brewery in Cleveland. There is. And I think we've already established this, but the Great Lakes Brewery in Toronto came first because they celebrated their 30th anniversary.

That's right. They established, oh, 87? Okay, yeah. I'm pretty sure that we've proven this. So we were first. But, well, yeah, let's do that now. Let's give you the beer now. All right.

Now, normally we record. I notice we usually record in the afternoon, and you crack one open, but we're pretty early here. Can you crack open a beer at 9.42? It's not quite beer o'clock for me, but I'm just salivating over these. And you put together a very, very nice assortment for me. Well, is that shinny pants?

That's a new one. Shinny pants I've not had yet. I believe that's of course, because Mike Lackey, who is the brewmaster over there at Great Lakes, and he's, I see him all the time

at George Bell Arena. Speaking of Jane St. Clair, that's actually not far from Jane St. Clair, George Bell Arena. I'm there every Tuesday night, but he's a big time, and he's at Rennie Park a lot too,

where coincidentally, now my four-year-old is a timbit at Rennie Park on Saturday mornings. Cool, yeah. My daughter and he's at Rennie Park a lot too. Where coincidentally now my four-year-old is a timbit at Rennie Park on Saturday mornings. Cool. Yeah. My daughter and I go to Rennie Park for the open skate. Yeah. It's a great, great, well, it's a great, great little public skating rink.

And where am I going with that? Yeah. So Mike Lackey, the shinny player, I think that he inspired the name there and the design of the can. But Great Lakes, there was some things going on in Great Lakes. I took a note for the Tyler episode, but that's only hours away. I'm going to pull it from my memory bank. I believe there's this new, I don't know what they call it, live something.

I've got to dig this up before Tyler gets here. But Friday nights, there's some kind of musical performances on Friday nights. Is it acoustic jams or something? At the brewery? At the brewery? At the brewery. Cool. So Friday nights, if you go to the brewery, there's live music, and then you can get your $5 pints, and they have the food truck there.

It's just a great vibe. That's where the TMLXs are. Of course, you were at TMLX1, which was amazing. I was in Cleveland for the second one. So I'm giving you a pass on that one, but Conroy doesn't get that pass for the second one. I know. I noticed he didn't show up for the second one. But come to the third one.

It's going to be in June. I will come to the third one, maybe bring my wife, because I need a designated driver after I leave. Oh, yeah, don't do that. Do that. Oh, by the way, so we played the Ian Hunter Cleveland Rocks.

Yes. Let me ask you about this one. Three, four! Three, four. Three, four. Three, four. Three, four. All this energy calling me Back where it comes from It's such a crude attitude

It's back where it belongs All the little kids growing up on the skids, they're going Cleveland Rocks, Cleveland Rocks Of course, this is the Presidents of the United States of America. This cover, which I knew from the Drew Carey show.

Yes. And that amazing choreography at the beginning of it, that shows different parts of Cleveland and the baseball stadium. Right. I love that intro. So you watched Drew Carey's show? Yeah.

I watched it too. Yeah. I remember that show for having multiple theme songs. Like it started with... Moon Over Parma. Right. Moon Over Parma. But then they went to that 50s song or whatever,

Wake up in the morning, gotta get my job done. Yeah, that's right. I can't remember how that goes anymore, but the 5 o'clock something or other. And then this one. Yeah. Interesting. I found that interesting. Like three different, completely different theme songs.

But I always liked that show. Me too. It was fun. Diedrich Bader was on that show. Anybody from... Brian Stiles. Anybody from Cleveland could relate to that show. Me too. It was fun. Diedrich Bader was on that show. Anybody from... Brian Stiles. Anybody from Cleveland could relate to that show. Who's the Cleveland Browns guy?

The guy, the quarterback? Who's the... Remind me, is there a legendary Cleveland Browns quarterback? Well, there's Jim Brown, who's the running back. Yeah, right. There's Brian Seip. There's Bernie Kosar. Maybe it's Bernie. It's got to be Bernie. He used to make all these cameos. Right, there's Jim Brown, who's the running guy. Yeah, right. But there's a... There's Brian Seip. There's Bernie Kosar. Maybe it's Bernie. It's got to be Bernie. He used to make all these

cameos. Right, yeah. Probably Bernie Kosar. I'm a huge Browns fan. And they had a decent year this year, finally. So they were close. Were they close to playoffs? Yeah, they were very close. It went to the second last week of the season. And I'm a member of the Toronto Browns

backers. How many are you? You and Michael Williams? I don't know if Michael's a sports fan, but there's about 200 of us, and we meet every Sunday. Not all 200, but close.

At Shox, which is a pub on Dundas and Kiel. That's like the heart of the junction right there. The heart of the junction, and we cheer for the Browns. And I think the biggest crowd we had was about 120, which was the last game of the year. Wow. Against the Ravens. But was there any mathematical chance of making the playoffs by that point? No, no.

But we could have, if we had won, which we didn't, we could have knocked the Ravens out. Oh, and that would be joyful because they stole your team in the middle of the night. That's right. Art Modell. Art Modell. He is the most evil person ever in Cleveland.

I can't imagine what that's like. I often think about like, like, okay, for example, the Raptors showed up with the Grizzlies, right? So as a big,

I mean, day one Raptors fan, I was keeping a close eye on the other Canadian franchise, you know, out West, the Grizzlies. Like, and then one day they kind of,

and it's not as, the Art Modell one's a bit more cruel, because like in the middle of the night, Modell has like moving trucks, right? Right, and well, and it was just, it was unnecessary. You know, the problem is he couldn't afford the team. So if you can't afford the team, you don't screw over a community like that.

You figure something out, get partners or sell it. It is an institution in Cleveland since the 40s. You know, the Cleveland Browns, it's got one of the most storied histories in the NFL. You don't just move it the way he did. And the thing that really hurt is two years later, the Ravens, which was made up of Browns players, won the Super Bowl. It was awful. And it's also, but it makes it even more awful to me is that the other example

I always think of, of course, is Baltimore. Like, so, because Baltimore moved to Indianapolis and that was a storied franchise, right? And then, so it's like, but their team came from Cleveland, so it's like,

they stole our team. They were up in arms when Indianapolis stole theirs, but when the Browns came as well, it happened to us. So we don't care anymore. It was a terrible time. And for two years, there was no Cleveland Browns.

Yeah, I remember that. I didn't know what to do with my Sundays. Well, I can't imagine. I mean, I always think there's a lot of examples. I mean, not just Vancouver, but like Seattle. Their team went to Oklahoma. There's a lot of examples like this. But it's always kind of like... I mean, it's got to be awful. I mean, the Expos lost their team went to Oklahoma. There's a lot of examples like this, but it's always kind of

awful. I mean, it's got to be awful. I mean, the Expos lost their team, so people listening love the Expos. It is, but as you said, it's different with both the Indianapolis thing, because Baltimore, the Baltimore Colts, they were also a storied NFL franchise. Is that the one, which is the one of the Mayflower

trucks? Is that the Baltimore? That was Baltimore. Okay, I'm confusing the two stories. Yeah, it wasn't Art Modell. Art Modell was just, anyway. You're right, I'm confusing those stories. And here's an interesting fact, too. When Baltimore was moved to Indianapolis,

for two years, Baltimore had a CFL team. Yes, Stallions. Yeah, and they won the CFL, the Grey Cup one year. There was a team in Baltimore, one in Las Vegas, I think. Yeah, and there was one in Shreveport. Shreveport, that's right.

Not Vegas. And then San Antonio, maybe? Something like that, yeah. San Antonio, something like that. But yeah, you're right. And I've become a huge CFL fan. It took a while because I was an NFL snob

when I first came here, but now I'm a huge, I love the Argos, and I go to a lot of games because it's, first of all, it's affordable, and it's fun,

it's really entertaining football. And that's a good location, I find. Me too. I really like that near Liberty Village, that's what I, I like the BMO Field location here. But I went to a couple games two years ago,

and it was actually a pretty great season, and they won the great cup, which was fantastic. That was fun. Last year, I think it was a rough go for Argos fans. Yeah, I don't know what was going on with the coach. Mark Trestman, who used to, you know, he was an NFL coach. He was Bernie Kosar's quarterback coach. And he was also head coach at Chicago for a while, and then he had

a lot of success with Montreal, comes to Toronto, we win the Grey Cup his first year, and then last year, I don't know what happened. I don't know what happened. Well, I know what happened, actually. Ricky Ray got injured. That's true. Well, and then now Ricky Ray, I think, you know, he's getting up there. He's going to be almost

pushing 40. Oh, he is 40. That's the thing about CFL quarterbacks. I always think of, almost called a Marcus Allen, but Damon Allen. Yeah. These guys, I mean, Matt Dunnegan, even these guys play to an older age, it seems, in the CFL. But we're talking Cleveland sports, so I need to play for you a question from Brian Gerstein, speaking of propertyinthesix.com. for you a question from brian gerstein speaking of property in the six.com property in the six.com hi joel brian gerstein here sales representative with psr brokerage and proud sponsor of toronto

mike caller text me at 416-873-0292 if you're looking at getting your home ready for the spring market. The early listers will sell quicker and for more money as the most eager buyers are out there looking first. Joel, Mike informs me that you love hoops and being from Cleveland, I take it a Cavs fan. This is a great time for you to update us on Tristan Thompson.

And I won't even make fun of Tristan for saying before the season started that the Eastern Conference still runs through Cleveland. As long as Tristan helps lead us to silver medals in the upcoming World Cup and Olympics. So how is he playing and what should we expect from his game? That's a great question. And there's multiple answers. First of all, Tristan Thompson, you know, people criticize him for saying that at the beginning of the year.

But what do you want him to say? I know, I know, I know. Everyone at the beginning of the year has to say we're in the hunt for a championship, even when they're on a brutal, awful team. Yeah, he got a lot of the NBA players poked fun at him for that. But, you know, I liked it. It was just, you know. Yeah, what was he supposed to say? Like, yeah, we're not going to win it this year.

And, you know, the Cavs could have been respectable, but then Kevin Love went down with an injury. Tristan Thompson, who was having a career year and he's become a leader, got injured. Which was too bad, because he was really coming into his own because he can shine now that LeBron is gone

and all that. But I think he will make an impact on the Canadian national team as long as he's healthy, and he's back now. So let's see how it goes for the Cavs in the second part of the season. I don't care if they don't win another game, because they have a rookie named Colin Sexton who is the real deal, a 19-year-old kid who's just playing amazingly well. So if they pick up another

good draft pick and then maybe next year Love is healthier and they get a couple free agents, then I think our rebuild is not going to take as long as it usually does. Do you remember, going back to baseball, do you remember Richie Sexton? Yeah, of course. He hit a foul ball

that I caught once. No kidding. I never forget the guys who hit the ball. He had some good years for the tribe. Yeah, he did. He had a couple of really great years, I remember, with the tribe. That's right. Are you okay with the nickname still? No, I'm okay with the nickname.

So it's the racial caricature. It's gone? It's a horrible... It was never meant to be racist, but it is, and it hurt people, and it should have been banned years ago. I'm glad they finally did it. They did it in a weird way. They said, well, this is our last year.

I don't know why they did that. Chief Wahoo is maybe a product of the 30s, 40s. You can say it was okay then. But once people have become a little more aware of racial issues and hurting people through stereotypes, it should have been banned ages ago. I'm glad it's gone. The nickname Indians, most of my aboriginal friends and acquaintances don't really care about it because it means nothing to them. But when it was connected

to that horrible racist logo, Chief Wahoo, then they had a problem. So Chief Wahoo is gone, but interestingly enough, the Indians, the front office, they have the rights to it still. Here's the question. I don't even know if you have the answer,

but can you go to the MLB shop and purchase anything today with the Chief Wahoo on it? No, no, you can't. That's a big step forward. It is a big step forward. They were also getting pressure from Major League Baseball to get rid of it.

I'm glad they did. It's a good step. Now, you know that if they ever do, I think they're going to keep the name the Indians. It's traditional, and I don't think it, it just means nothing. But the team before the Indians was called the Spiders. That is a cool name.

That is a cool name. Yeah, because you got the pitcher's mound is the head of the spider and then you got eight legs for the for the rest of the players i always thought that would be a good name i always thought when the raptors were coming to town i was sure they'd be the huskies like yeah i was all into the huskies and then it became like the raptors because jurassic park's a popular movie the huskies would have been a perfect name now there's another team it was in the negro league um called the the Cleveland Buckeyes.

Now, of course, Ohio State is the Buckeyes, but I always thought that would be a cool name for the baseball team too, the Cleveland Buckeyes. Yeah, yeah. That sounds cool too. All right, so that was a good question. Brian, he loves to talk hoops. Yeah, and Tristan Thompson is, I think, an underrated guy.

And he's coming into his own. I hope that the Cavs, you know, the LeBron era, I'm glad it's over. He did what he had to do. He came back. He brought us a championship, but it'll be nice to see the team rebuild without him. Do you think the Lakers can make any noise in the playoffs this year? No. Do you think they'll make the playoffs, though? Yes. Oh, yeah. They'll make the playoffs. They're in the eighth seed, right? But they have a pretty good... And keep in mind, that's what... Last year, the Cavs, they had a mediocre season, and they had these all-stars, Derrick Rose and Dwayne Wade,

and then they got rid of them, and then they got... I remember this, yeah. And they were not doing well, but next thing you know, you blink, and they're beating everybody in the playoffs, and they're back in the championship. So with LeBron on a team, you never know. He is a force of nature. Agreed, agreed, agreed.

Tell me, actually, which do I want to do first? Let me give you the other gift first. So you've got your six-pack from Great Lakes Beer. There is a... And now I've learned. I've learned when a guest is coming over, ask them if they're vegetarian or not. I've learned because half of my guests

apparently don't eat meat. James B. Right. And I'm giving them these meat lasagnas and I feel like I'm like, I don't have to do that. So you wanted a meat lasagna. Oh, yeah.

Yeah, you'd be... I got a few lasagnas going out tomorrow and two of the three are vegetarian. Wow. So it's out there. But yes, enjoy. That's from Palma Pasta. Thank you.

That's going to feed the whole family. How many kids you got? I have two kids. My daughter's going to be eight. My son's going to be three. You're going to have leftovers, buddy. I feed this family of six here. Well, that's the cool thing about lasagna.

It tastes good when it's a leftover. Do you heat up the leftover lasagna or do you eat it cold? Heat it. Gotta heat it. I can go either way, to be honest. Yeah, I find cold lasagna is pretty damn good. Cold pizza I used to eat when I was hungover.

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And check them out, man. It really is the best. It's the best pasta in the GTA, hands down. So enjoy that, Joel. That's your meat lasagna from Palma Pasta. So I've given you... No wonder you come over so often. You get beer, you get... Well, it's not only beer. It's my favorite

beer in Toronto. And that's saying something. And you're not making that up. I know that's real because you're there all the time. I love the craft beer movement. I've always loved it. And ironically, I love the Great beer movement. I've always loved it. And ironically, I love the Great Lakes beer in Cleveland. But this beer, Great Lakes, I discovered it years ago

when there was a New Orleans-style restaurant called Mardi Gras near us on Bloor. And there was two Great Lakes beer there. There was a dark lager and a blonde lager, which I think you've... Yeah, the blonde lager, which is my wife's favorite. I fell in love with Great Lakes then. Next thing you know, I go to the beer festival

and there's about 800 different types of beers that they're experimenting with. Well, one they experimented with is Electric Circus. That's right. And you got one, right? Troy gave you one. I got one, and then when they reissued it, I bought three six-packs, and I gave one to Moses.

Amazing. Oh, man, that's amazing. So when they do it again, because I've asked them to do it for the TMLX3, which is in June, and Troy says they might make it happen. So if they got the electric circus in time for that event in June,

forget, don't even, keep that wallet in your pocket. I'm going to make sure you get yourself one. Thank you. Come on, you created that electric circus. Yeah. It's the least we can do is get you some electric circus. But yeah, if they have that, I'll see if Sharon Cavanaugh is available

and Monica and Moses, maybe we could make a big party out of it. Oh, that would be, Oh, that would be amazing. Monica's promised to come on, which is just geographically inhibited. That'll be a good show. Yeah, for sure. I can't wait. Now, tell me about your all-time classic hit parade.

Oh, your all-time classic hit parade is a show that I'm producing and directing now over at Zoomer Media in Liberty Village. We just started our new season last Friday. We have 10 new shows every Friday at 8.30 on Vision TV, which is channel 60 if you're on Rogers. Check your listings for Vision TV if you're not on Rogers. And basically, it was created by Marilyn Lightstone, who you might remember from The Hand of Green Gables and other movies and television shows. She wanted a show that reflected the songs that she liked of her

past. So it's a simple concept. We have this all-star band. Most of the guys are in their 70s, and they've been around forever. Dave Young on bass, who is a member of the Order of Canada, Moshe Hammer on violin, Bill Bridges on guitar, and David Warwick, who's our musical director, and Kevin Cody on drums, who's young. I don't want to... He's not in his 70s. Exactly. And this amazing cast of singers who... and all we do is we perform songs from the Great American Songbook, anything from Gershwin to Carole King and Tom Allison, the Alt Sisters.

I saw some social media stuff from the Alt Sisters. Yeah. You got to get them on the show. You would love them. And I have the, there's three of them, right? Yeah. I got the four mics here. I'm all set.

There you go. And Judy Marshak, who's an old folky, and Simon Spiro, who's actually a Jewish cantor who also sings pop music. And some of it we sing as an ensemble and some of them we have solos or duets.

And then Marilyn comes on in between the songs and gives context to each of the tunes. It's so much fun. And this is our second season, and we're taping our third season. Good. Moses has ordered nine more, so we're really, really happy.

And of course, that sounds ideal for anyone, but particularly the Zoomer Target demo, right? That's right. Well, the Zoomer Target demo, right? That's right. Well, the Zoomer Target demo, plus anybody who likes good music, performers, exceptional musicians. But yeah, it is demo. Am I in the Zoomer demo yet? How old are you?

44. When do I become a Zoomer guy? I think you got one more year. One more year. Oh, man. I think it's 45. I'm so close. But as I said, this show, and we're doing well.

That's why they renewed it. It's good for anybody who likes quality music performed by, you know, quality artists. Now, the Zoomerplex, you mentioned Liberty Village. It's right across the street from where the Wolfpack play rugby. That's right. Have you been to any? I would love to go. Because I can honestly,

I can hook you up. Like one, they're usually like, well, they play the eight weeks in a row because of course, they're playing all the other games in Europe. So they all do them in a row.

Like, so there's like eight Saturdays in a row where the game, I think it's a 4 p.m. start or something. What time does their, what, when does their season start? Great question.

I feel like this is a summer thing, like July or something. But what I can do is I'm able to hook you up like we could go. You know, I bike over, you walk over, whatever. I'm in. I'm in. Yeah. Okay. So say no more.

I'll take care of you. You should come to a match because I knew nothing about this sport. Like nothing. Even though it was a devastating conclusion because there was this thing called the i don't know how much you follow this but there was this million pound match and the winner of this match would go on to the top tier okay i think they call it super league or something and we were there's three tiers and we're right now in the second tier and if we had we were favored to win this match if we had won this match we were going to the top tier and it was the most like a heartbreaking way to

lose like and i'm at this game and i it just it was very frustrating we lost this match so we're actually still in the second tier but it was like uh within a whisker and it was i knew nothing about this sport but like it was just uh exciting to see live. Yeah, I've watched rugby before. Yeah, I've never seen a live game. I've seen live soccer in Barcelona and Manchester, England, and I've seen our TFC games

here, but I've never seen live rugby. I'd love to do that. Well, we're going to make this is going to happen. All right, man. I'm in. You've got my word. Okay, we're going to have a good time. We should make sure there's some Great Lakes beer involved. Well, here's the problem. They don't have any Great Lakes there, so we'll have to sneak it in.

We'll get flasks or something. There's always a way. Remember, there's always a way. Absolutely. Or we could drink it before. Well, we'll do both. How's that? Time has come today.

Time has come today. Time. That song means it's time for Remember the Time. On this day, Joel, 50 years ago, so 50 years ago today, the number one song on the Billboard Hot 100 was this. Oh, yeah. Not one of your jams, but it should have been, right, John? I know. Anything Motown. I grew up with Motown.

And this is a great one. I'm like... Give more part of it in it. with Motown. And this is a great one. Give Marvin a minute. So 50 years ago, I heard it through the grapevine by Marvin Gaye. Brilliant tune. The Funk Brothers. Is this the jam that CCR covered, right? Yes.

It's on the Greatest Hits. It's like a 12-minute jam on it. Which is also great. Yeah. I love CCR's version. And of course, in the 80s, we were inundated with California raisins. They were a big deal for a while. Unfortunately. Well, I was the right age, I think, because I was like, oh, these guys are great.

Interesting bit of American pop culture, the California raisin. And they became a phenomenon. I know it was a campaign for California, for grapes or raisins, I guess raisins. Yeah. And it became like they had like spin-off series and memorabilia and stuff. It was a big deal for a while in the 80s.

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All these... You know, I'm like a jukebox. If you mention a certain thing, I go to the same fact. Somebody pointed it out to me, and it's very true. You could play me like a jukebox if you had your cheat sheet.

If you mention this, he's going to mention that. Like when Super Dave died, forever when Super Dave came up, I would point out that, did you know he's Albert Brooks' brother? And did you know because Albert Brooks was born Albert Einstein? Like this came out of me forever. I think that was on our last episode with Ziggy.

Yeah, because he was talking about Bizarre. Oh, yeah, that's right. See, just mentioning Bizarar makes me mention Super Dave and just mentioning Super Dave makes me mention Albert Brooks. Ziggy not taking her shirt off. Right. Come on, come on.

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I've never been more ready. Katie tried I was halfway crucified I was on the other side Of no tomorrow You walked in and my life began again Just when I'd spent the last piaster I could borrow I could borrow All night long We would sing that stupid song

And every word we sang I knew was true Are you with me, Dr. Wu? Are you really just a shadow of the man that I once knew? Are you crazy? Are you high? Or just an ordinary guy? Have you done all you can do?

Are you with me, doctor? Dr. Woo, Steely Dan. Yeah, I'm a Steely Dan head. And this is a Phil Woods sax solo. You jazz folks out there know Phil Woods. And the legend is he did this in one take. Late Phil Woods. Yeah, I always loved Steely Dan.

But when this album came out, Katie Lied is the name of the album, and the song is Dr. Woo, it blew me away, every song. So then I went back to Countdown to XTC and Can't Buy a Thrill, because I knew just songs from those albums, and then I started listening to those albums, which we did back in the day.

We listened to albums. And once again, there was not a bad song on any album. So I became one of those Steely Dan heads. And just every time an album came out, I'd be the first person out there to grab it. Great band. Steely Dan sounds amazing in headphones. Yes.

Yeah, well, Gary Katz was their producer, and they had this engineer named Roger Nichols, and they were always like the head of technology. And after the first two albums, they became like the Beatles. They stopped touring, and everything was done in studio, so everything sounds immaculate. Well, you talk to a lot of these audio guys, and when they have to test their setups or whatever,

they play Steely Dan. Really? There's one jam. What's the name of that song? There's a song they always go to to test the audio. Oh, I'd like to find that out. Yeah. Maybe I'll Google it during the next jam.

I'm glad you started out with the Marvin Gaye though because really Motown was what I grew up with in Cleveland. But this Steely Dan stuff was sort of a university when I discovered marijuana and I started listening

to different types of music. Steely Dan, me and a bunch of my buddies just became obsessed with them. Okay, you mentioned marijuana. Now, you're episode 419. Yes. But until about, I don't know, until yesterday afternoon,

you were going to be episode 420. You were scheduled to be 420 and you and the new 420 switched spots, basically. So you were almost 420. Wow. We would have been playing Mary Jane songs. Some Bob Marley. Right, for sure, for sure.

Let's kick out another Jewel Jam. Michael Williams would know these guys. Thank you. ¶¶ ¶¶ ¶¶ But it won't go wrong Greenbacks enough, make a man a suit Greenbacks enough, make a man a suit Greenbacks enough, make a man a suit Make a man a suit Make a man a suit Jimmy Bell tells the sexton, sexton

Well, buddy, tone the bell Now this is Jimmy Bell, but this is the Numbers Band? The Numbers Band, yep. But is that also 156075? Yeah, 156075, but everybody knows them as the Numbers Band. I went to Kent State University, and the Numbers Band is a legendary band. They're still playing. Three or four of the original members are still with them. It's the Kidney Brothers, Bob and Jack Kidney, and Terry Hind, who did the sax solo. Terry Hind is Chrissy Hind's brother. And they've been playing for 50 years in and around Kent. And they are legends. And they're

amazing. And I wish more people knew about them uh but when i went to kent i was in a band uh we were loud and you know i was once we played on the same stage as the numbers band and i just felt it was at this place called jmb's which jb's which was a legendary bar there and in that era era that I was there, I was a lot younger than everybody, but I saw Piroubou, I saw Devo, a very early incarnation of Devo, the Dead Boys, that Akron-Kent scene. It was amazing because everywhere you went, it was not only live music, but original music. And the Numbers Band are very similar to Downchild, who I did the documentary on,

in that they are blues-based, but it's all original music. And Bob Kidney is the band leader and writer and lead vocalist, and to me, he's just a genius. Now, this song, I have a limitation of my soundboard where I play all these jams. It won't take the song if it exceeds 10 minutes. Really? Well, this has got to be close. No, it's well over 10.

So this issue rarely comes up at Kick Out of the Jams, but there's a Bob Dylan track that I think Steve Simmons and a couple of others picked, Desolation Road, maybe? It goes into like 11 and a half minutes. So I've had this issue before, but what I did with, I listened to this jam and decided that you'd be okay if I

made it a 10 minute song. I'd use some magic tricks. Well, if anybody wants to discover them, go online or just drive down. They still play in Cleveland, Akron, and Kent a lot. They're just brilliant. I would love to do something on them the same way we did with Downchild,

who I also think... Downchild is an underappreciated band. When did Downchild become the Downchild Blues Band? It was the other way around. They were the Downchild Blues Band, and Donnie shortened it to Downchild. But, you know, it's like Maestro or Maestro Fresh West.

You can figure it out. Yeah. But it's not like Creedence Clearwater Revisited. That's a different thing. Yeah, that's bad news, isn't it? That's the casino circuit, you know. If you have one band member,

original band member, you can call it that. I once heard an interesting documentary about the Beach Boys, and I think Mike Love claimed ownership. So basically Mike Love could, he could put John Stamos in there, whoever he wants, and that's the Beach Boys. Yeah.

Or is, yeah, one of them. Yeah, I think it's Mike Love. Yeah, he owns the rights, I think. And same with the bass player, Gary Cale for The Guess Who owns the name of The Guess Who. Now, Mike Love, here's another Cleveland connection, is Kevin Love's uncle, the basketball player. You know what? Now, whenever someone mentions... Because Mike Love was Brian Wilson's cousin, right?

Yes, they were all... So there's a link between Kevin Love and Brian Wilson? Is that what I'm hearing? No, Kevin, I guess so. Right, because if you're linked to the link, then you're linked somehow. That was his Uncle Mike, so of course he knew the rest of the guys, I'm sure.

Amazing. Beach Boys, again, I'm too young for the heyday. I mean, if you ask somebody my age when they learned about the Beach Boys, I mean, I knew about them. First of all, Teen Wolf had a great scene to Surfing USA where the Teen Wolf was, and we all loved that. But the big thing for Beach Boys in my time was the horrible Kokomo, okay?

Oh, yeah. That was a little past their prime. But there's an example. I'm pretty sure I'm pretty sure Mike Love was the only guy there at the time I think from the founding members

I think there might have been a couple I don't know but I love the Beach Boys I was going to say where I'm going with this is that when you

kind of dive retroactively dive in you realize like how how inspiring and like influential and amazing

and original. Their vocals were incredible. Yeah, those harmonies, for example, you can spot them a mile away and there's nothing like it. It's amazing. So Mike Love and Kevin Love, that's amazing too. Drop any of these Cleveland, anyone who's connected to Cleveland in any way,

I want to hear about it during the festival. Well, that's why I think Kevin Love could end up somewhere else this year. Obviously, the Cavs are tanking. He might end up with the Lakers. You never know. And when LeBron comes back from his groin injury, you can't discount them. No, you can't.

You can't discount a team. Any team that has LeBron, you can't discount. Any team that has LeBron, you can't discount. And these songs like this, where they jam for, you know, just jam. I always dug it. Like, The Doors used to do this, right? Like in like Roadhouse Blues or something. And I would be like, or even like, we play the Chamber Brothers, Time.

Yes. I don't know how many versions of Time there are, but the one I hear is like, I don't know, around 10 minutes or something. And there's that chunk where it's basically repeating the same kind of thing, and it might go, let's say it goes for four minutes. I always wish it went for like 40 minutes. Yeah, exactly.

Well, this one was recorded live, and I think this has got to be mid-70s. I mean, way before my time. Freebird, too. I'm trying to didn't, way before my time. Freebird too, like, yeah, I'm trying to think of all these songs like that, like Freebird,

I don't know how long that is. Born to be Wild, Steppenwolf, they used to do 10 minute versions of that. But there are modern, I would say modern, like they're brand new, but like there's bands like Pearl Jam that when they,

I've seen them a dozen times in concert, but when they go into something like a live, in the middle of a live, they'll jam out for like 10 minutes and they yeah grateful dad and fish to of course I think I spread yesterday fish just announced they're coming back here. Oh. Yeah. Jane Stevenson was on the show, and I think I saw she tweeted about it. So who was Jimmy Bell?

Was he a guy? That I don't know. It's just an awesome original blues tune, and they're really intense. If you ever see The Numbers Man live. It's good music to play like in the background, like a bed, and you can kind of like... Yeah. Because I'm grooving here.

Yeah, it keeps your head bopping. Numbers Band, remember that. I'm going to call them 15, 60, 75, like a purist. I wish they would be around forever, but you never know. I mean, they're all... They're getting up there.

Every time I go... When I do visit family in Cleveland, I always check to see if they're playing. Last summer go, when I do visit family in Cleveland, I always check to see if they're playing. Last summer I saw them at Kane Park in Cleveland just because I want to see them as many times as I can before they disappear. Reminds me of a modern version. Again, I'm using the word modern like it's now,

but this is probably 10 years ago now, but My Morning Jacket. Yeah. You ever hear My Morning Jacket? Yeah. It sounds like this that's true I'd be on the dance floor at this point. I'd be right there with you, buddy. Bopping my head, drinking a beer.

Cold Great Lakes. The Cleveland Great Lakes probably unfortunately guitar solo They say that all is fair in love and war and child believing When Mama stayed in San Tropez she had a ball or two And I'm telling it to you straight so you don't have to hear it in another way Oh Annie

I'm not your daddy Oh Annie I'm not your daddy. Kid Creole and the Coconuts. Another band I became very obsessed with. This was during my Something Else days. I actually met them. Great bunch of people and just amazing, high energy, wonderful music with incredibly intelligent, cool lyrics. August Darnell. That's Kid Koo.

That's Kid Creole. Breaking the news to Annie. I'm not your daddy. It's kind of like Michael Jackson, The Kid Is Not My Son. There you go. Well, he was August Arnell. The Kid Creole and the Coconuts were a huge influence on Prince.

And Prince actually recorded with him on a couple of the albums. Cool. I'll be very honest with you that I didn't know this song until it was on your list and I had to pick it up. Yeah, I know.

Maybe it's in that... You got like a Yeah, I know. Maybe it's in that. You got like a couple of years on me. Maybe it was in that period there. Well, you should then dig into some of their older music, too, because every track is so much fun and so intelligent. They sort of explore a lot of different types of music. Oh, sure. There's like a ska thing going on here, for sure. And Latin Latin too.

Right. Even if you still get CDs, grab their Greatest Hits CD. Every song is so much fun. I saw them live once here in Toronto. I don't even remember the venue, but they blew me away live.

You hear a little bit of like Boney M going on? Yeah, definitely. Well, this band grew out of a band called Dr. Buzzard's Original Savannah Band or something like that. And Kid Creel was in that band and he took a bunch of people from the band and created this band. Down in Jamaica they got Down in Jamaica they got

Down in Jamaica they got Down in Jamaica they got Lots of pretty women When all your money and things break your heart I'm the Jamaican, taking charge and living large A big time woman for much, I just barge in your area Picking the barrier, makin' it merrier You cheer me when you hear me and boost your stereo Off when I erupt, I start smokin' the mic It's hype and love, cause I'm awoken, it's a shame

There's not a day rough like this when Missy's on this mic It's enough niceness for those who dismiss and pretend Told me how I'ma back and then approach me as a friend In the end, you're a homony. It only has to be. Either you're jealous or your man's running after me. You see me walk and talk. You make faces.

Simply because I'm going places. Females are stale, but they look ain't appealing. When I rap, brothers collapse. I'm at the ceiling. I gave him a wink. Cause he was a hump. More than sex appeal in Jamaican. Fuck. I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm in the ceiling. I gave him a wink. Cause he was a hunk. More than sex appeal in Jamaican funk. I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm the Jamaican.

I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm the Jamaican. I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm the Jamaican. I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm the Jamaican. Jamaican funk. Canadian style. Canadian style, baby. Mishimi. I love Mishimi.

And I love doing this music video I think the rest of the songs are all the songs that are sort of involved with either documentary or music videos Please continue and then I'll tell you a point Ron Nelson makes. Yes, that is so damn true. Well, the video was amazing. And, you know, back in the day, I had such a great string of videos and I was able to work with these young artists who were just so incredibly creative and amazing. Some of them had very specific ideas of what they wanted.

And Missy just said, I want you to show strong women. Women being strong. So I hired Fiona Smyth, who is an underground cartoonist, very famous, and I'm a huge fan of hers. And she did these big murals in the background of, you know, strong women. And you couldn't, any shot, you couldn't avoid them. They were in every shot. And it was just so beautiful and it worked out.

It was a fun video to do. It was one of those videos that came together very quickly like butter. It was a fun video to do. It was one of those videos that came together very quickly like butter. It was great. So I mentioned DJ Ron Nelson because, you know, he was a... The godfather. Yeah, I'm the godfather of, yeah, Toronto hip-hop at least. I'd say Canadian. Well, this was how you listened to the Maestro episode. I introduced Maestro the same way I introduced DJ Ron Nelson,

and I realized something's got to give. I called him, like, yeah, the godfather of Canadian hip-hop. But yeah, you're right. So Ron Nelson mentioned that the big difference in Toronto rap back then particularly was the West Indies, like the Caribbean influence

that came into our rap. And the Reggae and rap kind of came together here, which didn't happen in the US necessarily. Yeah, and that's right. But I do think, and I agree with Ron, because the Dream Warriors had that as well, although they had jazz and a lot of other stuff. But yeah, like Ludi and stuff.

Yeah, but I think the reason Backbone was so successful and why it brought a lot of attention here is because it didn't have that. It sounded American, and the video looked American and everybody's eyes were open. And Wes went on to explore ska and other stuff in his music. But I think Ron was right, except Backbone, which brought really world attention. And Backbone, of course, you directed the video. I'm pointing to the 12-inch single right here that Maestro signed, is that that was the first Canadian rap song

to be a hit in this country. That's right. But Ron is right. And I think that is the Canadian voice. Cardinal Official, you could hear it. Well, think about Rumble Safe, okay? Rumble, yeah. That's the same thing.

Yeah, the hybrid of reggae. And that song, Jamaican Funk, there's a great example right there. Yeah, and I know that Mishy and Ron and Ivan Barry, who ran Beat Factory, all were big fans of Carla Marshall, who was sort of a Jamaican dance hall pioneer here

in Toronto. And then, of course, you had the Satellites and Messenger and a lot of that reggae influence, so it was all over. And I loved it. I loved going to the Bamboo back in the day and listening to the reggae.. So it was all over. And I loved it. I loved going to the Bamboo back in the day and listening to the reggae. Have you been in touch with Mishimi recently?

No. The last time I talked to her was about a year ago. Because there was a possible gig we were going to do, which as they do sometimes, fell apart. But she's amazing. I love her and she's a queen and a great role model. So I actually was chatting with her last week.

Right on. I know. Is that cool or what? I guess I came out of the maestro. He did 416 Maestro. And then I came out of that like hungry for Mishimi and Dream Warriors. And then I was corresponding with, we were DMing each other. We were texting each other actually, Mishimi and I.

She is booked to come on this show. All right. I'll listen to that episode. Early February, I believe. Good. We'll give you a shout out for sure. Absolutely. But yeah, I think she's fantastic.

And when I was at, and again, Maestro's been on twice, and I told him the story twice, because again, I'm like a jukebox. But I saw Public Enemy at the Sound Academy, and Chuck D brought Maestro on stage and it was great. Like, I mean, there's Maestro.

Oh my God. And then brought Mishy Mee on stage and Mishy Mee to drop some rhymes. Chuck D is a big fan of Toronto Rap. He did the foreword to Maestro's book too. Is that stick to your vision? Yes. I'm up here with Israelites, Rastafarians, God bodies FOI, Sunni, Muslims, T.O. to Brooklyn

Many nights in Bed-Stuy, blazing trees out in Cali We're brothers from a frat, sippin' Henny, man-friendly Got Toronto's rap title, DeMaricitals McQuincy Jones in 89, that's my idol Chicks from every nationality, showin' hospitality I've seen a lot of valleys, I've seen a lot of peaks, peaks I seen the bitter with the sweet, victory and defeat Sometimes I felt it, but a voice kept saying Son, stick to your vision, keep the composition I seen a lot of shame in the game I seen a lot of pain with the fame

I seen a lot of highs and lows, but that's just the way life goes I seen my name written in the lights I seen a lot of things in my life I've seen a lot of highs and lows But that's just the way life goes I grab the microphone My favorite Moisture West track ever

Great Guess Who sample It's all coming together Yeah it is But this song also I mean it comes really from his heart And it's all about his experiences basically after the huge success that he had went down to new york tried to uh make it down there didn't you know made some strides but found out it really wasn't for him and then he just he comes back here and this is basically a biography of his career up to that point.

And it's just, lyrically, it's so amazing. I get chills every time I hear it. I mean, Wes is a great poet, but this, to me, this track, this was sort of a veteran performer and poet and writer looking back at his career and talking about the highs and the lows. And the video, which I didn't do, is brilliant. It's absolutely amazing. Why the heck didn't you do it? What happened there? He hired Director X, which I would have done if I were him as well. And I'm a huge Director X fan. fan and I just think that the imagery augmented and heightened the energy and

the lyrical substance of the song, which is what a video has to do. It's beautiful and it really featured Toronto. I love it too, man. It's got a great hook, which is important. You're right, he's a poet.

It's a great rhyme, it's a great story. It's everything you want. Yeah, and it just came from his heart. I can't do a band without having a Michigan voice. I'm so glad you did did because I love those guys. I lived that stage of hip-hop. And it was also an awakening in education for me too. I learned a lot about Toronto,

about a few areas of Toronto where these young people came from. I mean, I was like five or six years older than all of them, but they were my teachers. Well, you know, this is what I'll say about you, Mr. Joel Goldberg, is that you might not have the name recognition of some of these guys. Maybe the name, I'll just drop this randomly, but Erica M. might have a higher profile name in the marketplace than Joel Goldberg, but you're a key guy. Like, you're the straw stirring the drink in this time, man. That's why you've been on four times, twice as a security guard.

And you'll be back. You'll be back with or without, ideally both, Ziggy. But you're right there, man, directing these key videos. You're at City TV doing a whole bunch of stuff. Even today with Zoomer, you're right there, man, directing these key videos. You're at City TV doing a whole bunch of stuff. Even today with Zoom, you're right there, man, stirring the drink, and we're grateful. Well, and I'm grateful. I consider myself very lucky.

A lot of this stuff, you're just lucky. And meeting people like Wes, Mishy, Ivan Barry, Farley Flex, Ron Nelson, all the peripheral people in that who are very amazingly intelligent people, but also very loyal to me. They were very loyal to me back in the day. Ivan Barry, very loyal. And meeting King Lou and Capital Q.

All of them, as I say, they were my teachers. I learned a lot about not only rap, but Toronto rap from them. King Lou, capital Q? Yeah. Yeah. Ludi, ludi, ludi Ludi, ludi, ludi My mother wanted me to make another song Something brand new so she could dance to too So this one's dedicated to no other than my mother My father, my sisters and my brother

Or you could say the family, or better yet the families Oh wait a sec, what the heck This one's for Jamaica, Africa, Dominica, Trinidad and Tobago, St. Kitts, Bermuda, Antigua, St. Lucia, St. Martins, and do not forget Montserrat, Nevis, Aruba, Grenada, Guyana, Aruba, St. Vincent, Anguilla, Bahamas, Puerto Rico, Curico, Dominican Republic, and Rio, Martinique and Guadalupe, and Virgin Islands, truly, this one's for The Warriors of the Dream. Yeah. Dream Warriors, Ludi. Great, great tracks and i loved working with them too as you

know talking about them that era me learning so much lou was a great teacher and he would you know i did two videos with him and he would sit down with me and go through all the lyrics and make sure i knew the meaning of every one of the lyrics and he he said to me, if you don't know that, you shouldn't be directing the video. And I agree with him. I agreed with him. So this one we shot in St. Kitts. It was two weeks in St. Kitts with an 18-person crew.

Back in the day when we were shooting film, Paul Sarasi, an award-winning cinematographer, who did the majority of my music videos was the DOP and it was intense because we had to fly a lot of equipment down there and I was in my 20s and I was producing and directing this thing Michelle Geister who was the she was after she created with Michael Williams, Rap City. She came down as well. And I don't think with...

Without her being there, I think my head would have exploded because she was very good in just dealing with the talent and Ivan and the folks down in St. Kitts. So she was sort of an unofficial associate producer. What was the other Dream Warriors song you directed? My Definition.

Oh, my God. So, I mean, I actually, that album, And the Legacy Begins. Yes. And Now the Legacy Begins. Yeah. Recorded, of course, in Ron Nelson's house. That's right. I got that story out of him, which is amazing.

But that's a killer album, that Dream Warriors album. And I remember... Maximum 60, by the way, was the producer, Richard Rodwell. He was at Ron's place, but Maximum was the producer. Maximum 60, Richard Rodwell produced a lot of those early rap songs and tracks for Ivan Barry and Beat Factory. Do you remember bumping into me after the Roots of the Six? Yeah.

At Nathan Phillips Square. That was great. And that was, well, Maestro was the, I guess, well, the three that I, it was Dream Warriors, it was Mishy Me and Maestro and DJ Ron Nelson. Yes.

DJ, so yeah, they were all there. That was beyond my wildest dreams. And I know that Wes just did a tour with Classified. I don't know who else. There was a bunch of different artists on that tour. I wish I had seen that. Yeah, Classified was the headliner, though. Yeah, it was across the country.

I know. I wish I had seen it, too, because I like Classified. I love Classified. That boycott in the industry, I still put that on occasionally. And he's also, Class classified i i saw him years ago they did a rap thing at cbc uh he was the mc and he's you know he's very knowledgeable about canadian the history of canadian rap as he should be as he should be yeah and he's a good maritime boy right so you can't go wrong with that. Now, I'm going to ask you again.

I know I've asked you this before, but you need to get King Lou in Capital Q. Yes, yes. I'll see what I can do. I thought Ron could help. Maybe Mishy can help, but I'll see what I can do. They would be a great interview for Toronto Mike.

We got to do it. And this is completely, I can't find Rumble. Okay, speaking of Rumble, I can't find uh Rumble okay speaking of Rumble I can't find him like no one knows Maestro doesn't know where he is Mishimi doesn't know where he is Ron Nelson doesn't know let me work on that one for you too is he even like is he in is he even in the country I don't know he was partnering with uh Richard I was talking about Maximum 60 for a while they they did a bunch of stuff and I think Sookie and Lee was actually

involved with with that too but Bob's your uncle. I don't know. That ended and I don't know where he is. But he's fallen off the grid. See what you can do there. Extremely talented person. I'm considering a documentary series searching for Rumble. Here, let's kick out another jam. I was up all night socializing

Trying to keep the late depression from crystallizing Now the sun is lurking just behind the Scarborough horizon You're not even here On the coldest night of the year I took in young streets at a glance

Heard the punkers play Watched the bikers dance Everybody wishing they could go To the south of France And you're not even here On the coldest night of the year Bruce Colburn, coldest night of the year. I thought this was a good one for Toronto Mike

with all the Toronto references. Yeah, Scarborough Sunset and all, yeah. Looking up Yonge Street. Yeah. And you know, of course, Got Bare Naked Ladies on the Mind, so Lovers in a Dangerous Time.

That's right. It was a great cover. Yeah, now, you know, of course, I produced and directed the documentary on Bruce Coburn, Bruce Coburn

and Pace in the Cage. And we followed him on the road for two weeks doing different gigs. It was all acoustic, though. And it was... It ended up being

the Slice of Life CD, a double CD with all acoustic versions of different songs. And I requested this from him because I love this song. He goes, No.

So it's one of my favorite Bruce Coburn songs. And of course, you really do have an affinity towards sax solo. That's right. I've detected by kicking up the dancing. Well, and the musicians on this album are amazing.

John T. Davis is playing organ, one of my favorite three players, and Hugh Marsh on violin. Not sure who did that saxophone. We'll have to look into that. But Bruce is so brilliant, a writer and a musician. I just love anything.

Bruce Coburn is fantastic, and that was a great experience directing that documentary. Because as we mentioned on the Ziggy episode, he's underappreciated. He is. Yeah, he belongs in that echelon where you stick Neil Young, Joni Mitchell.

Yes, the Mount Rushmore. Gordon Lightfoot, Leonard Cohen. Yeah, Bruce should be up there. This is just a great song. Yeah. So evocative. And anybody who lives in Toronto can relate to this song.

And this might be the coldest night of the year. It was like minus 16 of that wind chill when I was out this morning. You had to drop my daughter off at Runnymede and the wind was just... Yeah, it's that wind that gets you. Okay, now I've got to find out who did the saxophone. We'll be right back. That's my biking buddy, Colin's going to get real tight. That's my biking buddy, Colin James, breaking up the house.

That's right. He did an episode. I think he came in not used to this. Like, I had a feeling early on that he's used to, like, two to seven minutes or whatever on breakfast television or whatever. And then he's like, oh, this is going to be like a long form conversation. But he was game. Yeah. It was great. he's like, oh, this is going to be a long-form conversation.

But he was game. He was great. I directed two of his videos from these blues albums that he did. He was backed by The Room Full of Blues, which is a blues band out of, I think, Washington, D.C. And Chuck Lavelle, one of my keyboard heroes. In this video, we had a live chicken. We put the live chicken on Chuck's keyboard. I had so many cool conversations with Chuck Lavelle, so many questions.

I think by the end of it, he was glad to get away from me. Any relation to Gary Lavelle, the great reliever who came over with a bust here? Didn't ask him that. But he plays with the Stones now. He tours with the Stones, Chuck Lavelle. And he was a bust here. Didn't ask him that. He plays with the Stones now. He tours with the Stones, Chuck Lavelle. He was in Sea Level. I think he was with the Allman Brothers. Speaking of jam bands, the Allman Brothers

go on tour. That's right. It was lovely working with Colin. He's a sweetheart, right? He's a good guy to work with. Well, he's incredibly talented. Another, I mean, my entire list, underappreciated

artist. You know what works? And I thought about this a lot because I was doing the homework, having him on, and I was really excited and it was a great experience. So I've given this a lot of thought. Colin's suffering from a syndrome, I don't know if it has a name, but where your debut album is the big one,

and then no matter how artistically fantastic and critically acclaimed following albums are, the hits are all on that first album. So it's like, whenever that was, 89 or whatever that was, late 80s, bang, bang, bang, that album, man. The hits.

The good news about it is that after all that, after all the particles settled on the earth he went back to the blues right which i love right which is great because again uh the quality of the he kept evolving and the quality was uh standard was high yeah but if if you're a common joe who is listening to i don't know, let's say Q107 or whatever for like the singles, the ones you hear, I think there's one exception

because the first single off the second album was a monster hit. But typically you'll hear a song from that first Colin James album. Yeah. Big monster hit. So it's kind of like,

it's good because you got a whole bunch of hits and that's the goal and a lot of artists never get that. But when they're all on that first album, sometimes you find you're chasing your own legacy. You spend your whole career chasing your legacy.

But Colin James, that's fantastic, Breaking Up the House. He was in my Downchild documentary, too. Downchild Blues Band. Yeah, and we interviewed him, and he also played with them at Massey Hall when we did Flip, Flop, and Fly, 40 Years of the Downtown Blues Band, that documentary. He and James Cotton and Colin Linden

joined them for the finale of Flip, Flop, and Fly. Here we go. Now when I get the blues, I get me a rockin' chill Now when I get the blues, I get me a rockin' chill Get the blues over, take me for a rock right away from here Now when I get lonesome, I get on the telephone Now when I get lonesome, I get on the telephone. Now when I get lonesome, I get on the telephone. I call my baby telephone on my way back home. I don't care if I die Flip, flop, and fly

I don't care if I die Don't ever leave me Don't ever say goodbye Give me one more kiss Downchild Blues Band, Flip, Flop, and Fly. My heroes. Give me one more kiss Hold it a long, long time

Went out of order on you there, didn't I? Yeah. I now see that. You flip-flopped and flied Colin James and Downchild. My bad. But, yeah, tell me about the work you did of Downchild. Well, when it was their 40th anniversary, this was almost 10 years ago now because their 50th is coming up,

I produced and directed a documentary for HBO Canada called Flip, Flop and Fly, 40 Years of the Downchild Blues Band. And it was just an honor for me because I grew up listening to these guys. I had every one of their albums. You're listening to Hawk Walsh,

who's dead now, the lead vocalist, and Donnie Walsh, the guitar player who I became very good friends with, is the band leader and still, to this day, leads the band and they do 30, 40 gigs a year, mostly soft seat theaters now. But I was able to hang out with Donnie and the band for a year. These are all my heroes. Pat Carey, Gary Kendall is one of the most legendary bass players in Canada, in Toronto. Chuck Jackson, who's the new vocalist uh no matter who the vocalists were before him

like hawk or tony flame he can sing the song just like them but he also has his own voice and he writes a lot of the original songs now for downchild and you know downchild oh yeah michael fanfera on keyboards there's another one of my keyboard heroes because I'm a frustrated keyboard player. But the thing about Downchild is the same as the numbers band is that they are a blues band, but 90% of their music is original music. This Flip Flop and Fly is actually a cover, but most of their music is original.

And Paul Schaefer, who's in the documentary, points out that it's amazing to have this band and every song that you hear you think it's a classic redone but actually it's it's an original song but that's the other thing is they they were the inspiration of course for the blues brothers dan akroyd um grew up with listening to these guys they became friends because when dan was doing second city after they finished second city they'd go off and listen to Downchild. And Donnie basically taught he and John Belushi

about the blues. And then next thing you know, you've got, instead of the Walsh brothers, Donnie, the skinny guitar player, and Hawk, the big guy with the harmonicas, that's where the Jake and Elwood characters come from. And Dan points that out in the documentary. That's awesome.

Yeah, they're my heroes. I just love them, and they are totally underappreciated coming up to their 50th year. Amazing. Let's close out your jams here. This has been great, but let's kick out another one. Looking for a job, it's gotta exist

I never had it, I don't know what it is For a job, it's gotta exist. I never had it. I don't know what it is. This is my job. It's what I do. A little this. A little that. Misleading leads Another trap

Everybody needs a little skill and a lot of luck Everybody's looking for a way to make a decent buck Everybody's looking for a job that doesn't suck Looking for a job that doesn't suck Look people I smile every time I think of the look people. Every project I did with them, every gig I ever watched them, just lots of smiles.

And this is when Clay Tyson had left the band and Chris Gardner had joined. Boy, oh boy, Chris Gardner is a monster bass player. If you listen to the stuff he's playing. And this, I had to rip this from the video. Oh, okay. The video, by the way, I don't want to talk about competitors. Oh, it's a brewery.

They're not around anymore. It's okay, you can talk about it. They're not around anymore. It was Upper Canada Brewery. Okay. And James B., our buddy James, knew the owner of the Upper Canada Brewery. And they opened it up one night. They said, you know, shoot whatever you want.

Have some fun. And by the way, here's a case of beer. And by the way, if that's gone, we have some draft beer in the tasting thing. So you've got this film crew and this crazy band and you've just opened up a brewery to them. And the video is something else. Like I watched it the other day.

It's one of my favorite videos. So it's not an accessible, not accessible music. Like it's got a bit of a Frank Zappa kind of... Definitely that Frank Zappa vibe, which I think, you know, Red Hot Chili Pepper vibe

because there's funk in there and there's jazz. Yeah. Like early, like really early Red Hot Chili Pepper. You're right. Yeah. Like the mofo party. Right. But I do think that they are...

They should have been huge. But yeah, you're right. It's not... You can't categorize it. It's not accessible. Like it's not top 40. No't categorize it it's not it's not top 40 no so it's yeah it's so much yeah so i i think when you when you dig it you're gonna you're gonna dig it a lot right and the musicians are great great bob scott on drums long go high on guitar kevin hearn on keyboards uh chris and before him clayton tyson on bass, and then James, you know, as the leader. We did another music video with them.

It's the same thing. We went to a go-kart track with all these insane people from a Fellini film. And I've never had so much fun on a shoot with these people. You know, my career, I, as you were pointing out, I sort of examined the periphery, um, not less the mainstream things that's going on, but the, the, the stuff that's going on in the periphery of the mainstream, the, the blues and this alternative music and, and rap. But that's, you know, that's where my heart lies

is with the underdog and, and, uh, also just quality, quality music. That was tremendous fun, my friend. I enjoyed that. Yeah, a blast. You're going to have to come back,

uh, for no other reason than to get more, uh, Great Lakes beer and, uh, lasagna. Let me look into Dream Warriors, Michael Williams and Rumble for you.

Oh, you're going to be their security guy. And even, yeah, one by one, Master T wants to come on, but he hasn't yet signed on the dotted line yet. Oh, that would be a great episode too. He's a prince, man. He's a great guy. We've got to make them all happen.

What's the purpose of this if we don't do all of that? If we don't do it here, who's going to do it? Oh, and by the way, Ziggy sends her regards. Ziggy. You're going to kiss me on the cheek? Whatever turns your crank, man. Send it over to

Ziggy and make her jealous. And that brings us to the end of our 419th episode. You can follow me on Twitter. I'm at Toronto Mike. Joel is at Joel Goldberg. Our friends at Great Lakes Brewery are at Great Lakes Beer.

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I believe he's in a little band called Bare Naked Ladies. And I've got Tyler Stewart coming on later today. And your smile is fine and it's just like mine and it won't go away. Cause everything is rosy and green. Well, you've been under my skin for more than eight years.