Toronto Mike'd: The Official Toronto Mike Podcast - Jackie Redmond: Toronto Mike'd #187

Episode Date: August 3, 2016

Mike chats with Sportsnet broadcaster Jackie Redmond about winning a reality show, working at theScore and Sportsnet and her controversial opinion about black holes.

Welcome to episode 187 of Toronto Mic'd, a weekly podcast about anything and everything. Proudly brought to you by Great Lakes Brewery, a local independent brewery producing fresh craft beer. I'm Mike from torontomic.com and joining me this week is Sportsnet broadcaster, Jackie Redmond. Welcome, Jackie. Yo, what's up? I'm excited to be here. I like that opening track, too. I do, too. It's got a good beat to it.

But it's not too cool for me, because that's the one negative I heard, is that I don't live up to the coolness of the opening track. Although you just... Who said that? My wife. Oh, she's allowed. I was going to say, you just met met me so in an hour we'll ask you what my cool uh cool number like what how cool am i am i as cool as that track okay sure that's by by the way there's a local rapper you ever hear of the cbc show called

like world's smartest no canada's smartest person i have of it. I've never seen an episode, but I have heard of it. A finalist last year is the guy who wrote... That's an original composition for this show, and that guy was a finalist on Canada's Smartest Person last year. So a musician and also very intelligent.

The joke is he's not that bright. This is the part that blows my mind. I like the guy a lot. And he's been on this show a couple of times. He goes, he raps by the name, uh,

ill vibe, but his real name is Anthony C. I can't remember. I can't remember that last name, but, not the brightest light. Like I like him. He's talented guy.

I'm smarter than he is. I'm just saying, well, what does that really mean? It's all relative, right? We'll find out. Uh,

but nobody's ever put me on Canada's smartest person. I don't think it's fair. You know, okay, so I tried to bring a song just to chat you up. So this is actually the only Jackie in my... A little before your time. This is Jackie Wilson. A little bit. But anyway, this is Jackie Wilson because...

Let's let it start up. Anyways, it's a classic. Oh, I know this song. Yeah, it's a classic. That's Jackie Wilson. I was thinking there's not a lot of musicians with the name Jackie. Like, the 227 actress is Jackie. I don't know if she sang, but you're not Jackie.

You're Jackie Redmond. Yeah. Which is a great name, by the way. Oh, thank you. So don't change that one. I was named after Jacqueline Smith. My mom named me after Jacqueline Smith. And that's the Charlie's Angel? Yes, the brunette Charlie's Angel. Yeah. That's worse people to be named after than that. That works for me. Hey, do you live, you don't live in the East End of Toronto, do you? I do not. I'm right downtown. I'm right by the ACC.

Oh, you're right downtown. Because I just read an article in, I think it was in Now, I can't remember, Metro maybe, about how people in the East End are complaining about everything. Like there's a whole whack of complaints coming out of people in the East End. Like they don't like the noise from this. Like that's where like there's like a large portion of hating going on in the East. Yeah. And like I, I gotta admit, I've lived on Charles Street in Yonge, across the street from the Brass Rail.

Okay, yeah, I know where you're talking. So that's the most East I've ever lived, but I've never lived East of Yonge. And to be honest, you came very West to visit me, and I really appreciate it. But whenever I get East of Yonge, I start to like lose familiarity like i know the south end but i don't know the north end at all but this article says they're complaining about everything and i just wondered if you had any insight into that i have no insight i i don't venture east of young that often either is that because there's not much there right because you're going to a lot of sporting facility they're all west of young exactly exactly there's a much there, right? Because you're going to a lot of sporting facilities. They're all west of Yonge. Exactly.

There's a couple good places to eat, like Queen and Broadview. That would be east of Yonge. There's some good spots there. That's about all my knowledge of the east. Well, the beaches, or as they call it now, the beach is fantastic. Yes, the beaches are good.

The south end is really cool, but I don't know what's going on. I don't want to offend all those people in beautiful Scarborough or whatever, but I'm not sure what's happening there. You got to venture out there, man. I know. I know. You're right.

Expand your horizons. I try not to go north of Queen Street or Queensway anymore. That's kind of where I'm at now. So they hate everything in the east end of Toronto. Did it say what they're complaining about? They had a list of many things. Like if there's some festival, they'll complain about the noise. Or if there's...

I don't like those people that complain about the noise. I'm from London, Ontario. And we have an outdoor festival every year called Rock the Park. And it has to be over by 11. And even though it's over by 11, like the acts are done by 11, people will still complain that it's too loud. I'm like, you got to be kidding me. I in this neighborhood you're in now. Last weekend, they have their they call it.

I always laugh at the name. They call it Lakeshore Mardi Gras. Like, I don't know what the Mardi Gras, any, any name I guess will do. But there's like, I saw Sass Jordan on Saturday night. Oh, okay. And like,

Helix. Anyway, these, I got a strange look. But like, you're right. Everything is shut down by 11 PM. That's the magic time.

Like, so they're going hard. I think they always hit their, like, their encore at like 1030, but this is, they're long done by 11. But until 11 p.m. on the long weekend,

from my backyard, I can hear this music, and I like it. It's like we're alive, you know? Yeah, things are happening. People are living. They're enjoying life. Come on, guys. Stop complaining in the East End.

We're not complaining about anything in the West End. But you know what they're not complaining about in the East End of Toronto? They're not complaining about anything in the West End. But you know what they're not complaining about in the East End of Toronto? They're not complaining about Great Lakes beer, Fine Craft beer. I've heard. That's for you. Should I open one of these? Yeah, if you're going to open one, the cold one is the Octopus Fights IPA,

which was delivered today. Yeah, so that's my favorite. And they shut it down for a while, but it's back now. So that got delivered here today. Okay. I'll try this one. It's really good. Go for it.

I'm allowed to do this on your podcast, obviously. Yeah. I might. Okay. So my nails are really long. Do you want me to do it? Oh,

I think I got it. I'm actually impressed with myself that I was able to do that. I before many functions on this podcast, I can open your beer for you if you like. So enjoy that Octopus Fights IPA. It's got a citrusy thing going on. Yeah, it does have a citrus little

undertone to it. I like it. Good. Good answer. And I don't know, are you an Olympics junkie? Am I a defined junkie? I enjoy the Olympics. I tune in to a lot of it and I do enjoy enjoy it i like the winter olympics better than the summer games um is that because canada is better yeah versus other

countries yeah of course like i mean it's no offense to the other countries i'm all for you know competition but we're just we're pretty bad at the summer games but you know yeah now i'm offended but yeah uh because we're a small country. We're only like in the, you're right, the winter we can win the damn thing. We can have the most gold medals. In the summer, you're right, we're only what, 30 million people here. So, you know, Brazil's going to beat us. America's going to smoke us. Russia's going to

beat us. You're right. China's going to beat us. We can't hang with the big dogs at the summer games. Although we do have some pretty good stories heading into this Olympics. Well, just before we, before you got here you got here, I watched a soccer match. I know these things don't start until Friday, but I watched Canada beat Australia 2-0 in women's soccer. Christine Sinclair scored a goal. Of course she did. Of course she did. She's ridiculous.

I mean, I'm not the biggest soccer person. Most people know that about me. She's ridiculous. I mean, I'm not the biggest soccer person. Most people know that about me. But, you know, she is unbelievable what she does at her age. Like, it's insane. And then after she scores, she goes into, like, beast mode. And she's got, it's just fun.

Like, I just, yeah, she's a great athlete. She's one of those athletes that, like, shows her passion. So she's more fun to watch. Yeah, for sure. So I'm, like, excited because. They're in a tough group though, aren't they? Well,

Germany's in there. Or am I mixing? No, I'm mixing them up with Canada basketball. My bad. Yeah. In Canada basketball,

we're in such a tough group. Oh, the women's team. tough, tough group, which sucks because they did so well

at the Pan Am Games. And that's, Kia Nurse is on that team. Yes. Sister of Darnell Nurse. Right. And that name, I always thought it sounded like a car. Like, I'm going to go pick up my Kia Nurse is on that team. Yes. Sister of Darnell Nurse. Right. And that name, I always thought it sounded like a car.

Like, I'm going to go pick up my Kia Nurse from the dealer. Yeah. Touche. It does. It does sound like a car. Yeah. She needs to get her agent on that.

There's something there for her. If she can't get an endorsement deal with Kia, nobody can. Okay. So anybody wants to help crowdfund this, patreon.com slash Toronto Mike is where you go. I see Jackie just took her wallet out of her purse

and she's going in there. Dollar, dollar bills, y'all. Yeah, and any amount helps to keep this thing going. So thank you. So Jackie, you have an interesting story of like how you begin in the mainstream media or at least the mainstream media that the average person knows of. I don't know where you started. Probably you're going to tell

us in a minute, but you started because of, I want to call it like a reality show. Can I? Yeah. Oh, it was a reality show for sure. Gillette Drafted, season three. So how did you end up on, I have the proper name. You ready? This is how good my name is. Drafted 3, the search for Canada's next sportscaster. And this was like the score. This was on the Score Television Network. So tell me, maybe start by telling me like how you got on that show. And like, if that's not where you started, like where does Jackie Redmond start her lengthy, lengthy career?

Hopefully. Here's hoping. Fingers crossed. Okay. So it's actually, it's a long story. So I'll just apologize in advance. I ended up on Gillette Drafted because I had auditioned for a different show prior to Gillette Drafted. So I was auditioning for the NHL and the score for like six months.

Like I was living in London at the timeL and the score for like six months. Like I was, I was living in London at the time, working in radio and doing like community television. And, um, so I was coming back and forth doing all these auditions. They were narrowing it down, narrowing it down, narrowing it down. Eventually it got down to me and two other girls and they were looking for a female and a male to do a hockey show, a daily hockey show. And they called me after like six or seven months of auditions. And they said, you know, you're really young, you have a lot of potential, but you know, you didn't get it. And I was obviously devastated because I thought that was going to be my big break, my big chance. So, you know, I went back

to work and about a month later, I got a call from the same people saying, you know, I went back to work and about a month later I got a call from the same people saying, you know, we think you have a lot of potential. We have this other show. If you're interested in auditioning for it, it's called Gillette Drafted. So I sent them a tape and then I made the top 10 and then I competed and the rest just sort of fell into place, I guess. That's exciting. It was, it was, it was like, It was like I still, whenever anyone says like, oh, you were on a reality show. I'm like, oh yeah, I was. It feels like a very surreal part of my life. You're not the first Canadian sports broadcaster to start on a reality show because

Jennifer Hedger was on The Lofters. Bit of a different show, but yes, yes, you're right. That's a fun fact I had to throw out there. Hey, can I ask you, and I need a bit more detail there, but first of all, you got the deal. So the winner of this contest got a one-year contract with the score and a one-year deal to be a Gillette spokesperson. Yes. Could you hook me up with those blades?

Because I need to mortgage my house to buy these things now. They're expensive. Yeah, razors are not cheap. Unfortunately, I don't have access to Gillette products anymore. Yes. It was a one year window of Gillette products. And when that contract ended, that was it. Because you go to like, I don't know, there's a shoppers down the street. I go to shoppers. I want to buy like, I don't know what packs of 10 i'm gonna buy 10 blades okay just so i can shave my face okay i need to like uh i need to go to the bank and negotiate a loan first okay i need to see if my line of credit has any room on it this is serious business i wonder how much the average

male spends on razors in like a lifetime how much do you And by the way, a lot. Now, it depends if you follow the instructions on the Gillette, okay? Because it'll say like, use X amount of times and then throw it out and get a new one, right? Like X might be something like, I'm going to make up a number, like five, okay? Let's say use five times to get a new one. Screw that. No way. I'll go 50 times. I will milk this razor until it's dying breath it'll be rusty carving up my face i'll be profusely bleeding but no i am going to use this blade until it cannot break a wet whisker like it's i'm going to use this thing as long as i can i will say male razors kick female razors butts like they are so much better. Every time I buy a made for a woman razor,

I immediately regret it. I'm like, why did I do this? I know that it's not as good. I have a silly question. Sure. So I only shave my face. Right. Maybe TMI, I don't know.

Let's just say I only shave my face. So you're shaving your legs? Yes. Are they equivalent? It just seems like there's a lot of leg real estate. Like this is. Yeah. Our razors don't last as long, pal.

They're not, we're not getting five shaves. And is it like haircuts? Like whenever. It's a whole leg times two. Yeah. It's like multiple faces. Yeah. There's a lot of angles going on.

There's a lot of bones. It's very difficult. Yeah. The ankle region is really tough. Okay. Because I've often considered like growing a beard just to not shave

and then after like seven days or so of growth, I say, Mike, you look horrible. Like you have to lose this thing. First of all, it's now whitish. Like I get white patches. It's not a good beard. Like I feel like it's like

Matt Sundin's playoff beard or whatever. Like it's not a good beard. I miss Matt Sund like, uh, it's like, uh, well, like Matt Sundin's playoff beard or whatever. Like, it's not a good beard. It's, I miss Matt Sundin. Yeah. Or even maybe Sid,

the kid's playoff beard, which is kind of weak ass too. He always had to go with the mustache because the beard wasn't working out for the guy. Yeah. He just needs to quit on that. Long story short is I realized I can't grow a good beard. So I have to shave this thing in order to look like respectable or people like you are not going to want to come over and hang in my basement.

But who is this guy? So where am I going with this? All this to say, you don't have the option, I guess, to just say I'm going to stop shaving my legs. Well, wintertime, maybe. OK. Maybe. Actually, I can't. I don't know.

I wear dresses at work, so I actually can't anymore. You're on television, young lady. It's a whole different ballgame. Okay, so you no longer have the Gillette. I'm sorry for interrupting your story. Oh, that's okay. But I like Gillette. I use, it's got four in it.

I want to call it a Mach 4. That sounds right. Right. Yeah. And that's the one I'm liking right now. They keep adding blades. Have you noticed this? I used to have two on my blades because that's how old I am.

And then they came out with the Mach 3 like in i don't know 99 or something that was a big deal the mach 3 big deal it was a big deal i was driving my buddy to work at the time and to thank me he bought me a mach 3 because i had the gillette sensor which is two and he got me the mach 3 and you're right that mach 3 lasts it's like windows it's like it's like windows xp and that it lasted a long time like you know you had it for a decade because you know how like you won't remember this time we were switching a lot like you went from 95 and then whatever you went to 98 and then xp comes out like at around i don't know 2000 or something i think i think the first computer my parents had with internet was an xp see there you go and then xp didn't really go away

until i guess seven came out but no one liked it so people tried to stick with xp and then eight came out which was much better than seven but all this was like i want to say like 15 years of xp being the go-to operating system all this is mach 3 is the xp of razors because mach 3 was the one and then they brought out this and eventually I'm like, I'm going to stick with Mach 3 because it was cheaper for the blades.

But then I decided to try the 4 and I liked it better. Now I'm screwed. They get you hooked on it. You can't go back now. There's no turning back. And you're not at all helpful because your Gillette thing was one year.

It was one year and it was, it was four years ago. I could, I could, I can ask around for you if you want, but no promises. I'll ask, I'll ask the people that I know I can ask, but no, no guarantees. Just do your best. That's all I ask of you. Do your best. So you're at the score because you win this, this reality show contest. Yeah. Yep. One year deal. By the way, did anyone who like did any other finalists end up getting a gig there or were you the only like top 10% to get a gig there? From my season, I was the only one.

But there was a season season one, there was the winner Paul Brothers, who's doing very well for himself. He is the host out on Global Halifax. But the one of the runner-ups in his season ended up as a producer at the Score Television Network

for a little while, Sean Menard. He's freelance now, doing very well for himself, but he was working at the Score. You know, I'm going to be in Halifax in a couple of weeks. I'll look up this Brothers cat. Paul Brothers, you should. Paul is actually unreal. He's amazing.

He's like one of the nicest people in the business. Is he related to Dr. Joyce Brothers? No. I say that because I don't know for sure. You know, I actually, I'm having a deja vu moment where a previous guest, I mentioned, I don't know why I mentioned Dr. Joyce Brothers periodically,

but a previous guest had no idea who that was. So don't feel bad. I think that's a dated reference. think i think i need to lose that one okay so what are you going to halifax for i was born there i have family out there is that right well listen i need some free rooming and i uh a family road trip to prince Edward Island is planned soon. And there are stops planned along the way, including Halifax and Cape Breton and Cavendish. When you're in Halifax, you need to go to the Lower Deck.

It's a bar. They have live music. It's right near the water. It's amazing. Lower Deck. The Lower Deck. Unlike Upper Deck, who's overp Lower deck. The lower deck. Unlike upper deck, who's overpriced baseball cards I used to collect.

Are baseball cards still a thing? I don't know. I know people still collect them. There's a Brendan Shanahan card that's a hockey card. But do kids collect baseball cards? No, I would think that they were killed by the digital revolution because they're busy collecting Pokemon and things like that.

And trying to get retweets on Twitter. When you have a smartphone, collecting baseball cards doesn't cut it, I don't think. Interesting. My kids are going to collect baseball cards. They're going to do that stuff. You'll have these grandiose ideas of my kids going to listen to

Pearl Jam and isn't going to be a big isn't going to listen to my kids gonna listen to like pearl jam and and isn't gonna be a big like uh isn't gonna listen to i'm trying to think who the hell is michelle listen to isn't gonna be all about selena gomez or whatever but you'll find out like the kids are just gonna do what they're gonna do like you'll have very little influence and whether they collect society will influence them more than their parents and i really try to get my kids to be big baseball fans because I'm a die. I love baseball. It's my favorite.

So we got to talk about the Blue Jays then. We will. We will for sure. Where am I going? So my daughter just likes the Raptors and my son is a crazy puck head who loves the Leafs, but neither seem to care that much for my beloved Blue Jays. Which that sucks because the Blue Jays had such a magical year last year. You'd think that would have sucked one of them in.

True story. I had a ticket to go see, during the pennant race last year, I went to see Jays versus Yankees. When we had the 11 game winning streak and we're going to 12, I think price pitched. We lost the game because as you know, we've never actually won 12 games in a row,

but, uh, done 11 a few times, a few times. Yeah. You're absolutely right. Twice last year, twice last year twice last year

and at least once previously for sure so i'm at this game and so my wife's home and my and my wife reports back to me that my son watched a maple leaf pre-season game instead of the blue jay game that's my heart i can hear my heart breaking and i love the leafs and that's a true story and i asked him like he just said he prefers pre-season Leafs to pennant race Blue Jays. And I can't understand it. You can't understand it. But kids like what they like. So they're not collecting baseball cards. I don't even remember when I started liking baseball. I think my dad just had me in front of the TV for every game. So I don't even remember. I don't have a moment where I was like, this is when I became

a baseball fan. It's just always been there. Can you remember the first World Series that you remember watching? I remember, okay, so when the Jays won in 93, the second time,

not the first time, I remember the atmosphere. I remember that my dad had his friends over. Like I remember all of that. I don't remember the game though. Like I don't remember watching the game. Were you allowed to stay up that late? Oh yeah. I remember all of that. I don't remember the game, though. I don't remember watching the game.

Were you allowed to stay up that late? Oh, yeah. I remember. I used to fall asleep. I used to fight to stay up and watch the end of Leafs games and Jays games when I was a kid. I remember fighting. Are you tired? Do you need to go to bed? No, I'm wide awake.

Meanwhile, I was totally asleep. Well, you had good parents then. To me, I feel the same way. It's important to enjoy the moment like rules be damned like this is history yeah oh for sure for sure yeah yeah so you've always baseball your favorite sport baseball and hockey every so every summer i'm like baseball is my favorite sport and then hockey starts and i'm like nope hockey is my sport. It's a lot like me. I love them both equally. What's your third favorite sport? Football right now.

It's funny. I didn't get into football until I was older, but now I just like, I'm counting down until football starts. My team sucks, but that's okay. Who's your team? I'm a Bears fan. The Bears. The Bears. Saying that will be the highlight of the season.

I have to nod along. I know what you're talking about, but I have The Bears. The Bears. The Bears. Saying that will be the highlight of the season, probably. You know, and I have to nod along like I know what you're talking about, but I have lost, like my interest in football is so minuscule that you could have told me the Bears were like Super Bowl favorites and I'd probably go along with it believing it. That's how they're bad. Yeah, they're bad. I have exposed myself, although I've never pretended to be a football. Okay, so wait, let's get you back to the score.

Okay. So you're at the score. And how was it at the score? This is King and Peter, right? Yeah, King and Peter. I still remember it like it was yesterday, my first week. I was terrified. Because it was the first time I had worked at a major network.

Before that, I had worked at Rogers TV in London. I had done things like that. I'd worked in radio, but nothing like this, where there's just people everywhere. It seemed very grandiose to me. And I was terrified. The first two days I was there, I don't think I left my desk. I ate at my desk.

I was afraid to move because I was just like, what do I do? And they didn't have a job for me yet. Okay, so you win the contest. So you have like the one-year contract or whatever, but they don't actually have anything for you to do quite yet. Not the first day I was there. The first day I was there, they were like, just get comfortable. Well, the first week or so.

Just get comfortable, you know, keep up to date on everything that's going on yada yada yada so I did that for a good week but being me like I couldn't I was like going nuts I was like I need to do something so I pitched a story and I pitched a story about Phil Kessel and Joffrey Lupo they were like top five in scoring at the time yeah yeah I remember this wonderful moment yeah this is like way back Like Lupo was healthy and like playing amazing and Kessel was, you know, being Kessel. So I pitched a story and, uh, because I had all this time, I sat at my desk and I went through the last 20 years and I counted up how many teams that had two players in the top five made the playoffs counted, how many teams had done that. And it was 96% of teams that had two players in the top five made the playoffs. Counted how many teams had done that. And it was 96% of teams that had two players in the top five made the playoffs.

So I was like, Leafs fans will love this stat. Yeah, that makes sense. So I pitched in and they said, yeah, go do it. And that was the first thing I ever did at the score was that story. All right. Firstly, thank you for not pitching the Phil Kessel and a hot dog story. Because I know you probably had that on your short list. And you decided to go with the Phil kessel and a hot dog story because i know you probably had that on your short list and you decided to go with the phil kessel and john can i admit that i i i had

a hot dog street meat style after the penguins won the cup like legitimately was like i'm happy for phil kessel i'm going to have a hot dog in celebration i think in unison many of us fans all we all like had a great uh street meat hot dog in his honor after he won it all. I'm happy for him. Oh, yeah. Legitimately. No, I'm happy for him, too. Full disclosure, I've had Steve Simmons on this show, and it was quite nice.

But, yeah, I'm still not sure about that story. At least if you're going to do that story, get the facts right. You know what I mean? Sure, yeah. 100%. We're talking about hot dogs serious business how how is bozak doing like does he live under a bridge because i feel like kessel was taking care of him like is he okay i feel like they took care of each other i feel like i don't know it's so funny how little you hear about tyler bozak now that Phil Kessel is... I think he's homeless.

Am I the only one thinking this? Is this a story you want to bring to... I don't think he's homeless. I think he might be really sad. I literally... What was it? The 24-7 documentary. And he was like...

There was one bedroom which Phil got. And then it was like a little closet where Bozak got to play video games or whatever. I just really feel... I think he's the forgotten victim in the phil kessel uh trade yeah you're right he was he's a victim he lost his best buddy and speaking of loophole your article um you find him good looking right um i would say like by society standards he's an attractive because he young man. Society? But what about your standards?

I only ask because I've been told by a woman I trust that he's a handsome man. Oh, the ladies love Joffrey Lupo. If I said they didn't, I'd be lying. However, for me, he's too clean cut for me. Like, he's too much of a pretty boy for me. I like guys that are a little bit more rough around the edges. Because he looks a little like Superman. Am I right?

A little bit? I think that's a stretch. That's a stretch. Am I? We all know he's definitely not Superman because he gets hurt every year. Well, there could be Krypton around. Remember? Okay.

So you're at the school. Here's a tweet that came in and I don't understand the context. So maybe you could help me. But this is Ryan Haynes on Twitter. He says, cam stewart story should be on the itinerary uh can you help flesh this out for me this ryan haynes okay so hayneser worked at the score uh hardcore sports radio with cam and gabe morenci and that whole hardcore crew. So I did a show with Cam Stewart for a little while called Live at the Score. So I know Cam Stewart very well. And he, have you ever met Cam Stewart? Nope. Okay. Do you know who Cam Stewart is? I should, right? He's okay. So he's like a redhead,

a little bit bigger guy, does a lot of like gambling segments. Yeah. Ring a bell. I think I need to spend more time on the score. I don't think I'm spending time on the score. Well, he's not there anymore. I think he does stuff with Fantasy Sports Network now. But he is a hilarious, amazing, amazing person. So Haneser just wants a Cam Stewart story. And I'm trying to...

Do you have a good Cam Stewart? So Cam Stewart, he left on his own or he was... Do we know? He and Sportsnet parted ways when the Sportsnet takeover happened. Cam opted to do other things. When did Rodgers buy Sportsnet? Because when you win this contest, Rodgers doesn't own Sportsnet. No, so I win the contest. I'm at the score.

I'm about a year in at the score when sports net buys it but it doesn't go through for another year because obviously has to go through the crtc so i guess it sports net would have taken over in 2013 or 2014 somewhere in like i'm ball parking yeah yeah yeah um somewhere in there all right so you know first of all you know when businesses take over businesses like in this industry you should know like like a lot you're almost hired to be fired like at some point you're you're gonna be let go so it's a tough biz yeah so have you talked to uh this uh cam stewart since since he left yes yeah i've seen him here and there he tell the people cam's okay cam is everybody

cam stewart is absolutely fine he he's lovely and he's doing well for himself. And I'm not sure. I should ask him. He hosts NFL Sundays at Shoeless Joe's. That's why I don't know him because I avoid these NFL Sunday shows. And the gambling shows. I avoid those. Okay, so that's why you don't know him.

He's like a gambling expert. Oh, he loves golf. See, that's the trifecta of things I avoid. Oh, you don't like golf? What? Oh, disappointing. Jackie, we're all different. That's true.

You like soccer? I watched a lot of Euro Cup matches. Okay. And if I get a free ticket, I'm happy to enjoy a TFC match at BMO Field. Okay, I don't like soccer. Is that like in soccer? No, I don't think that counts. Then I guess not. Although I did just watch a women's soccer match. bmo field okay is that like in soccer no i don't think that i guess not although

i did just watch a woman's soccer match like just today and i was rooting for canada's uh woman so you're kind of i think this is kind of lucky like so you win the well not lucky because you had to be skilled to win the contest but you win the reality show now you're at the score for a year and then rogers buys the score so it's like you sort of end up working for rogers and rogers like i don't know if you know this rogers has lots lots of content like they you know they have they have hockey they have a lot of stuff they got a lot of stuff around all the same time like they they bought the score then they have the nhl deal so so you're like to me you're in the right place at the right

time a little bit i a lot of time i was so modest at the time i was terrified because i didn't know what would happen when they took over because i was just this very inexperienced new young person but yeah sports that's been very good to Okay. So tell us what happened to you when Sportsnet took over the score, like for you professionally. So at the time that Sportsnet took over, I was doing a daily talk show and I had been cutting highlight packs and doing WWE covering wrestling. So when Sportsnet took over, I continued to do the wrestling. And I think I was doing the countdown shows at the same time as well. I think I was doing Plays of the Month and Misplays of the Month. Those started when I was with The Score. So I

did that stuff for a long time. And I was constantly like, I want to work in hockey. That was my goal. So when they made this deal, I was like, yes, I'm going to get it. I got to get in over there. So I kept asking my boss, how can I get into hockey? I want to do hockey. And he kept saying, you're not ready. You're too young. Like you need more experience. So I did a lot of random things. I did, um, I did some HL hockey. I did diving. I did swimming and I got to go to Australia to do it. So I did a lot of niche sports. And then eventually I got asked to do the desk. And that's Sportsnet Central.

Yes. And okay, so first of all, hey, good. This is good because you're getting your reps in. Because you've got to do the diving and stuff just to get the experience. You know what's crazy is that I got the swimming opportunity. So the first thing I did, I did the World Championships. World Aquatic championships was 2012. So I guess they took over right like near the end of 2012.

So I did the world championships because nobody else was available slash wanted to do it. So I did it. And then that turned into, you know, doing some diving and doing a year later doing swimming in Australia, which at the time I was like, man, like, I don't know anything about swimming. What do I know about diving? I know that they score them out of 10 and like, that's it. So I was nervous. But once you do something like that, all of a sudden you're like, wow, like if I can do that well, it like gives you this confidence of like, imagine if I was doing a sport that I was like knowledgeable and knew something about. So it was actually a really big confidence booster for me. But did you hear from any of the diehards, like trying to expose you as a fraud? Like,

did you get any like, I'm a diving fanatic from whatever? No, you know what? I was lucky. I was working with Rob Falds and Alex Depaty, who is an Olympic Canadian Olympic medalist. I believe you want a silver? Anyways, so they taught me a ton before we ever even started the show. So thanks to them, I was knowledgeable by the end of it.

No, that's cool. But the other stuff you mentioned, so I've seen you do these Plays of the Month. So can you just tell me, because you don't just host these things. You're not just a woman voice. You're not just a person who voices these things. You're producing these things.

I do, yeah. So basically... So can you walk me through it? Because as a guy who grew up loving Hebsey and Jim Taddy on Sportsline, which was a global sports line, which we had before there was a sports desk and Sports Central and all this stuff. I feel like that would be the perfect, that would be the most fun job in the world.

To be like putting together those plays of the month packages. Oh, it's amazing. It's like those two shows, the plays and the misplays. Like those are like my heart. Like I co-produce those with a couple of people. And we go through all of the highlights. Basically how it works is there's's the highlight department at Sportsnet. So night in and night out, obviously, they're watching these games.

So we ask them if there's a goal of the week candidate or there's whatever to tag it play of the week, like P-O-T-W. So then we have this system that we go into, and we look up P-O-T-W. We watch all that stuff, and there's a ton of stuff in there. I'm talking like 70 to 80 things get tagged and so every day we look through those and we filter them and filter them and filter them and then we rank them and we we put a show together so that's a lot of highlight watching okay so last night um i'm watching the jays and i'm on twitter because i do those two things uh that's how exciting my life is. I think that's how sports has changed, eh?

Like watching it now, like you can't not be on Twitter while you're watching. To me, yeah, that's been the biggest change sort of now versus then is I used to just watch. And now I watch with like other fanatics on Twitter and there's real time reactions. But one of the things that everyone started tweeting was the joey vato uh play right yes so i'm thinking that is obviously right away that's tagged uh oh yeah and that so at what point like okay so what are we in now this is august so are you going to put together an august plays of the month package at some point yes so how it works is our new episodes come out on the first of every month so all of the august stuff will be in a show that will start airing on September 1st.

So the thing about something like the Votto thing is, you know, first of all, the first thing I saw was just him, you know, grabbing the fan's shirt and being like, come on, dude, like you're a Reds fan. What are you doing? But then so I watched that and I go, OK, is that a misplay or is that a play? Like, are we going to like, are we going to clap for this? Or are we going to like put it on misplays and be like, what is this fan doing?

Cause you could kind of go either way. And then we saw, you know, he ended up signing the ball and saying, I'm sorry, blah, blah, blah.

So that, that kind of becomes a conversation too. Like which show do you put that on? See, even if I... What would you put it on? Plays or misplays? My instinct initially is misplays. That's a misplay because the ball was not caught.

Yeah. But if you add the Curb Your Enthusiasm theme song to it, which I saw on Twitter this morning... I did not see that, but that's good. In fact, when you do air this with the Curb music, and I don't know what you have to do to clear that music maybe it'll be an impossible pipe dream but uh when i see that i will know i i influenced it you helped influence the show yeah and then it becomes a play of the week because if you time that right like that and then yeah he pulls the jersey but it was

fantastic that was great so okay so you're you and you're you're not on your own you have some help but you guys do narrow this down to at least 50 plays, and then you got a timing issue to time it out, and you voice it, and you got one of these a month. That's got to be the most fun job in the country. It's amazing. I love it. I'm so passionate about both of those shows.

They're so much fun, and we get to be a little bit creative with it too if we want to sometimes if something crazy happens. Like five of the ALDS last year I mean we had shot the entire show I can't remember if it was plays or misplays that we had shot but we had shot an entire show the day before that happened and so it's it's shot the on cameras are done it's it's all together and then game five happens. And we're like, we, we can't wait a month to put this into the next show because people are going

to see this and they're going to be like, where, where are the, I can't remember if it was misplays or plays, but if it was misplays, they'd be like, where are the three errors? Where,

you know, where is everything? And if it was plays, where's the bat flip? So like we had to re, we reshot the whole show and yeah we had to we were like people will eat us alive if we wait it would be conspicuous by its absence is what would happen there like where where is that the uh but people don't realize we have deadlines and

then i will always get a tweet where's this and i'm like listen our show went to air like the day before that happened it'll be on the next show. Yeah, those edge plays. You must be rooting against those. A game on July 31, you're just rooting against some special moment. When stuff happens near the 30-31, I actually get mad about it. I'm like, I just want it to be boring. I want boring highlights on the 30th and the 31st. Vanilla, vanilla. Yeah.

What was I going to say about that game? Yeah, so that seventh inning became like a sports net one hour special which i you know by the way i re-watched that entire inning seven like forget the one hour special like i re-watched it the whole thing uh multiple times that it's fascinating it's actually fascinating ron mclean sat in that very seat and told me that he did not like the bat flip so i realize it's not just the goose gossages and, you know, these guys, these old timer guys. Did he say why? He felt it was showing up.

It was, yeah, showing up the picture. And yeah, he didn't he didn't think it was warranted. It's interesting because. OK, so I actually interviewed Tony La Russa about Game 5. Yeah. And I, you know, was anticipating that he would have hated the bat flip. Like, that's just, I would have thought, there's no way this guy is going to support that. And he actually was fine with it.

He said, like, 162 games in the regular season, like, you need to respect. Like, guys that are celebrating homers in the first inning, he's like, I don't have any time for that. Like, you need to be respectable. celebrating homers in the first inning he's like i don't have any time for that like you need to be respectable he goes but there's obviously there is a um there's an exception to every rule and he goes and that is the exception like if you can't get over the top excited about that then what can you get excited about nothing i agree with tony larusa because it is the weight of that moment and i see i have the when i what i do realize is that it wasn't it was not a walk-off okay because if that's a walk-off i don't think i think you can you can go nuts if it's a

walk-off yes because it clinches the series wouldn't have people wouldn't have uh ridiculed bautista as hard if it was a walk-off that's my thought on it so the fact is you have to accept it's not a walk-off but it's almost symbolically a walk-off i don't know how to explain it but it was like when we saw that it was bigger than a walk-off it but it's almost symbolically a walk-off. I don't know how to explain it, but it was like when we saw that ball clear. It was bigger than a walk-off. It was like, it was, it was something because when that ball left the yard,

it was almost like, that was like the moment we all realized like, we're going to the ALCS. Like this is happening. Like, so it's walk-off-esque. When like, how many minutes prior to that,

when Martin hit, uh, Chu, I, I was at the game and I instantly turned to my friend and I was like, of course, this is how we lose. Did you know what was happening? Of course, this is how we lose. Okay. So with the Martin thing, it took me a while. I watched the game and it took me a while. Because I was at the game and all of a sudden I'm like, I'm seeing who was on third.

I can't remember who came in to score. I think it was Odor, which just made me even more enraged. But I'm watching and I'm wondering, I have no idea what happened. I'm like, because you know, you don't have the play by play or the replays. And as you know,

everyone went nuts when that happened. And I'm just like, what happened? I obviously went to Twitter. My first instinct, but there are so many people in there trying to get on their internet. I think to do the same thing, it was taking me so long. I their internet, I think, to do the same thing. It was taking me so long. I'm like, I just want to know what happened. And eventually it took me

probably about 15 minutes to actually like get it. And then I was like, oh, okay, now I know what happened. You phone your dad and say, what the hell just happened? And why is that run on the board? Yeah. I didn't even think to actually, that's what I should have done is called my old man. But I didn't even think of that. Probably a few beers too deep to think logically about how to find the answer to my question. So, yeah, that's Plays of the Month. But I got some news for you. I'm glad you're sitting down and you're enjoying a beer. Because did you know the WWE, did you know it was fake?

Did you know? Tell me if you knew it. Do you know how many times I get tweeted this question? It's actually, people say it to me, and obviously it's Twitter, so you can't tell if they're being sarcastic or not. But I'm like, sometimes I think they think I don't know. No, I think they're all being sarcastic. I know what I'm covering.

Because I guess guys like me, idiots like me, and there's an Andre the Giant Cup. I was a big fan in the mid to late 80s. Everyone was a wrestling fan at some mid to late 80s everyone was a wrestling fan at some point everyone i don't care what anyone says but usually it's when you're a kid okay yeah and this is no criticism to you you do a lot of great stuff we're gonna get into some more but don't you think it's strange we lump fake wrestling in with sports like if i just may point out the fact it's definitely not i mean yes you have to be athletic

to do the stunts but like a stuntman or uh you know but it's not an actual sport i mean the outcomes are predetermined but that's why we call it sports entertainment i know but it just seems strange like you're watching something like the score and there's like the wrestling show like a former guest like jeff merrick and jason Agnew and these guys you know in their live audio wrestling which I always shout out Jeff Merrick yeah much love yeah Merrick's a pal I love that guy uh but like it just seems strange to have it mixed up in this okay let me ask you then where else do you put it if it doesn't air on sports networks where else does it fit it probably belongs on the wwe network well what about

that's only existed for a short period of time but i used to watch it on like nbc would have like a saturday night uh special or there was always a show on a chch called maple leaf wrestling well here's the places i saw wrestling the thing about wrestling is that people are always so quick to be like i can't believe like you you know you watch a kid's show or you watch something like what you watch is not real or it's predetermined or whatever people want to say about it but we all watch programming that is scripted we all do we i mean what is walking dead what is what is game of Thrones? It's the same thing. It's just it's not men wrestling in a ring. But it's essentially the same thing.

So I always say, like, when people are like, you know, you know, this person's not real. Like, whatever. And I'm like, well, you know, Jax Teller's not a real person, right? Like, when you watch Sons of Anarchy, you know he's not real. But we don't, like, Sons of Anarchy doesn't show up on The National. You know what I mean? Like, you know, Peter Mansbridge doesn't discuss, oh, my God, look what happened in Sons of Anarchy. It's not real. But we don't, like Sons of Anarchy doesn't show up on The National. You know what I mean? Like, you know, Peter Mansbridge

doesn't discuss, oh my God, look what happened in the Sons of Anarchy. It's a show. What about like Eastbound and Down? That's a show

that was on Sports Network. Yeah, I'm obviously a fuddy-duddy and I need to just... I will fight you until the end on this. You, you're like a, like a big deal

in this WWE world. Jackie, if you're a WWE fan, you know Jackie a big deal in this WWE world. Jackie, if you're a WWE fan, you know Jackie Redmond. Do you? I mean, I hope so. I'm telling you this. This is true. Okay. Okay.

And I'm not a, I haven't been a fan since the Ultimate Warrior was pinned by Hulk Hogan in front of 70,000 people at the now defunct Exhibition Stadium in 87. That's the year I was born. Is it? Yep. I was wondering that and I was not going to ask it because I'm like, you can't ask that. I get asked all the time and I don't answer it, but now people will know. Well, do you know why I was going to ask?

Because I've never had a guest who was born in the 90s, okay? But tomorrow, I have a guest coming in who was born in the 90s. Whoa, who is it? in who was born in the 90s. Whoa, who is it? Carolyn Cameron was born in 1990. Oh my gosh. I didn't even realize that about Carolyn Cameron. So I know this because she has a wiki page and I learned this. And then I realized I'm going to have my first guest born in the 90s.

It's kind of exciting, kind of. And then you were coming in. You were kind of, your dates were changing and I wasn't sure who would get in here first but you're here first and then i was wondering like i don't know your age and i'm like i wonder if she's born in the 90s like you'd be right there yeah so funny story carolyn carman and i worked on the same show at rogers tv london before either of us obviously was at sportsnet and we both hosted hosted. It was called Forest City Living. And we would both be out in the field doing pieces. And then there was a host that would throw to our pieces.

But we never met each other. Wow. We knew who each other was because we were on the same show. But we never once met each other. That's crazy. Isn't that crazy? It's so crazy, I'm going to bring it up tomorrow. Yeah.

What a small world. And then I remember I was working for the score. And I was doing something at the Dome. And she was there because she had just started at sports net or maybe it was the fan and she was like i think she was shadowing a rash medani or something and all of a sudden i was like whoa we meet in real life yeah that's crazy um she she i asked her on the day after Wimbledon, the Milos final. Naturally. Because I'm, I mean,

I'm watching this event. It's a big event for me. First, trying to be the first Canadian to win Wimbledon. And we're watching the ESPN feed on TSN. And there she is. Cause she came on. Right.

And then I was thinking, Oh, look at that. I wonder how TSN feels about Carolyn Cameron all over there. I wondered the same thing when I saw it. I was thinking oh look at that I wonder what how TSN feels about Carolyn Cameron all over there now I wondered the same thing when I saw it I was like oh interesting and then that very next day and I knew she was in London and I'm like uh I want to talk to this woman who just appeared on like breakfast at Wimbledon so she's coming in tomorrow and she was born in the 90s so if you feel old that'll do it so yeah I have had a guest born in the 90s. So if you feel old, that'll do it.

So yeah, I have had a guest born in the 2000s though because my daughter appeared on an episode and she was born in... Oh, no way. So I had that covered. Did she talk about Raptors? We talked about, yeah, lots of heavy duty stuff. But yeah, she's a big Raptors fan. But no 90s guests until tomorrow.

So there's a fun fact. And that fact about you guys at London on Cable 10 is pretty small world stuff. Yeah, Rogers TV, what's up? So you want more Rogers hockey time, but didn't you have a taste of it? Am I wrong or did you have some Rogers hockey time? You had no, I'm out of luck. Sorry, wait, covering hockey? I've only ever covered the AHL.

Okay. hockey um i've only ever covered the ahl okay i've done i've done features and interviews with nhlers but i've never done like an nhl game but this is this is so you want sofia yurkovich's job well see i didn't get to finish my story is that when i first started when i first started that's what i thought that i wanted and now I'm doing all of these different things and I I'm able to have my hand in like four different cookie jars and I don't want it to change ever like I love what I'm doing so it's weird how life works because I thought that that's what I wanted and now I'm exactly where I want to be and luckily that's like a 12-year deal so there's lots of time for you to take your experience and move you i'm very

very happy with what where i'm at good no that's good that's excellent uh can you explain the sports nets to me because when i go to my upstairs i go to my tv i go to channel 501 okay now my sports nets begin can you just explain it like because i just saw a press release like yesterday that said sports net one just got its biggest ratings ever because like a million people watched a Blue Jay game. But it's like, so that main Sportsnet is not Sportsnet 1? No. So there's the main Sportsnet channels, which are Sportsnet Ontario, East, West, and Pacific.

And so that's where the Blue Jays games normally are. But if something else is happening, like Rogers Cup or whatever, then the Blue Jays get bumped to Sportsnet One, which is a different channel. And I believe Sportsnet One has to be a part of your package. That's an extra channel. Well, I get, like, I have a bunch of Sportsnets.

Yeah, but there's also 360. Right, yeah. There's 360 as well. So, like, you have Rogers Cable. I do. Yeah, I do. I was kind as well. So when you have Rogers cable. I do. Yeah, I do. I was kind of thinking I could catch you there. No.

Is your phone with Bella Rogers? My phone is with Rogers. Can I see it? I'm just kidding. I can prove it to you. No, you don't have to prove it. I got gum sitting on my phone. No, no, I'm just kidding.

I always believed you. Don't worry. It is Rogers. If Rogers PR is listening, she has a Rogers phone. So when you go home and you go to 501 501 so because 500 is like it just shows you scores like that's not a real right it's because 50 when i go to 500 it just shows you scores like uh so i go to 501 but here to make things well here's my whole thing is i always go to so on mine like my hd channels are all in my lower channels as well so i just go to 22 well yeah okay yeah i go there first for jay's i always

just go 22 yeah me too and then i go 21 which is sports net one to see if if what i wanted was not on sports on 22 then i go to 21 and after that i just hit guide and i just look for what i'm looking for because there's too many that's why i don't see enough um the score okay well because i can't find the score television network doesn't exist anymore that's why it's 360 it's 360 right which is now sports then did you know it was originally called headline sports i did know that i did know that wow maybe they should stop rebranding and give us a chance to figure out what's going on sports net did you know it was originally called headline sports i did know that i did know that wow maybe they should stop rebranding and give me a chance to figure out what's going on okay so you did a pretty okay job of explaining the sports nets but i just find it confusing that sports net

one is not the one i see on channel 22 because you're right by default i go to 22 for my jays games because i try to watch as much as i can i go go to 22. Once in a while, it's like you said, it's Rogers Cup. That's what happened. And then I go to 501 and I start working my way up. I don't know if I have this 21. You might not have Sportsnet one. You got to check your package. Well, I have it because I always find the Jays game. Okay, so you do have it. You just

don't know where it is. It's like 502 maybe. It might be 502. It's definitely in the 500 somewhere. That's where all the sports channels are. You did it pretty okay, Jen. Hey, there's a former Sportsnet guy. He was also on TSN and he's been on like 1010 on the radio, but his name is Mike Toth. Have you heard of Mike Toth?

I know the name. I can't picture the face right now. He had some interest. He's on the show. He had some interesting things to say about women in sports broadcast. I'll quote him. This is going to sound harsh, but be that as it may,

here it comes. There are no female sportscasters that I can think of that have more knowledge than their male counterparts. He goes on, so then I'll finish this. From a public relations standpoint,

do you want Mike Toth to emcee your golf tournament? The females within the confines of Sportsnet's newsroom get more of an opportunity to do that sort of thing. So he does like a two-for-one dinosaur run here, where one is he basically does this blanket statement that there's no female sportscasters that have more knowledge than their male counterparts, which kind of ties in nicely that your male counterpart would be like Brendan Dunlop.

Is that your guy at the Sportsnet Central? And then he goes on to say like, well, you guys are prettier than the guys. So you would be like nice for hosting like a golf tournament or something. Yeah, that's a very, that's an interesting statement. I'm going to disagree with the majority of that statement. I think that's an easy statement to make. That's what I'll say.

That's an easy statement to make without any knowledge whatsoever of the people that you're talking about. You can't like say somebody's genitalia determines their knowledge of sports. No. And you also can't make that statement like it's factual when you don't actually know.

Yeah. And you know what? I gave him a chance to like, what do you call it when politicians walk it back? That's what they call it. Yes. I gave him a chance to kind of soften it and he doubled down on that one.

I stand by my statement. He he's like name me the woman so uh i just uh so by the way is brendan dunlop a good guy brendan dunlop is a great guy and he definitely knows more about me than soccer because i don't like soccer he knows more about soccer than you yeah i'm very open about what i what i'm knowledgeable on and what i am not yeah me too that's why I don't pretend to do the hockey. I mean, sorry, the football thing. Although I called Kevin. And I don't pretend to do the soccer thing. It's like, I feel like people are always telling me like,

why are you so open about not liking soccer or knowing soccer? And I'm like, well, because I don't. And they go, don't you think that hurts your credibility? And I'm like, aha, I think it helps my credibility. Because people know that if I don't know something i'm not gonna say i'm not gonna comment on it and now mike toth who i quite liked like the core of mike toth i quite liked but he held on to some of these dinosaur notions that i found very frustrating um i just think it's a little it's a little ridiculous like i mean any girl can watch any female excuse, can watch the same game as a man

and walk away with the right amount of knowledge. Like it's, I think that's a bit of a ridiculous statement. Who knows more about tennis, Arash Medani or Carolyn Cameron? I don't know. I can't factually comment on that because I think they both know a lot about tennis and are both very well uh, well-suited

to cover the sport. True that. Equally. You do, uh, you do some fun shit. Can I say that? Yes. I love it. You're playing ball hockey with Djokovic. Yeah. I thought I might've taken it a little too seriously, but I was pretty good. I had, the guys were like, you're actually like, you're pretty good at ball hockey. And I was like, yeah, I played hockey growing up. What? But the guys were like, you're actually like, you're pretty good at ball hockey. And I was like, yeah, I played hockey growing up. What? Like, do you often get to do, like, that sounds like a nice perk for the job to kind of do stuff like that.

That one was super, super fun. I mean, I scored a goal assisted by Tyler Sagan. How many people can say that? Speaking of Phil Castle. By the way, why is it, and I don't know how, I do know because my full-time job is digital marketing, but the problem is you can't write this or it'll be taken down right away. But somebody needs to create a Wikipedia page for you because you're a public figure on our televisions and it doesn't make sense. Carolyn's got this nice long Wikipedia page.

Yeah, I don't know how it works. Am I supposed to submit one? No, you're not. That's the whole, you should not do it. Right? Because if they see an inherent bias, like, rogers pr does it or jackie redmond does it it gets pulled right away for like bias it needs to go up and you will pass the test like if someone puts one up for me it might get pulled because i'm not uh famous but your credentials would i believe it would stick

maybe i will do this for you oh that would be really nice of you i will do this i'm gonna do this for you just don't put anything wrong in there but that's a nice thing i'll have to call you i'll have to call you like i need to come on your podcast because you messed up yeah i'll go yeah born sometime in 87 worked in london with i'm sure of her actual age but uh by the way speaking of uh wikipedia and um it leads to social media so i just want can you run down your arsenal like because you're really committed to the craft of social media what do you mean by random like what do i yeah what do you have like okay you're on twitter i'm on twitter jackie underscore redmond are you on uh instagram i am on instagram jackie redmond straight up are you on snapchat yes i am jack Redmond, straight up. Are you on Snapchat? Yes, I am.

Jackie Redmond, straight up. Are you on MySpace? I am not on MySpace. I was on MySpace when I was like 19 or something. I wonder if it still exists. Are you on Facebook? Yeah, I have a Facebook page. Young people don't like Facebook, right?

Facebook is making a comeback, man. Facebook is huge. Have you heard of Facebook live streaming? Yes. Okay, so that is a big, big deal. I'm trying to do more of it. It's time consuming. Sadly, you know where I really learned about Facebook live streaming? With a woman whose boyfriend got shot by the cop.

Oh, awesome. So I know it's terrible. But that was Facebook live streamed to her friends or whatever. And it's like, wow, like she pressed a button on her phone, this broadcast on her Facebook. Yeah. Yeah. So that's where I learned about it. But we'll change the channel. It can be used for more fun things as well. But yes, I do have a Facebook page also under Jackie Redmond. And do you have a Pinterest page?

I don't. I mean, I kind of tried it out just to see what it was about. I don't, Pinterest, I don't have time for Pinterest. Pinterest is too much work for me. I don't, I just threw that in there because I was thinking of social media. Okay, what social media

that I did not mention do you have a presence on? Anything else? Or we got them all? I think we got them all. And is this a lot of work? Oh, I have a Periscope, but I never use it.

Yeah, I've never used mine either. Yeah, and I don't really need to because now I have Facebook live streaming and is this a lot of work like uh oh i have a periscope but i never use it yeah i've i've i've never used mine either yeah and i don't really need to because now i have facebook live streaming if i want to live stream i can just do it on facebook right right right i should periscope this interview maybe my debut um so how important in 2016 how important is social media like can you do your job without it you can i think you'd be silly to attempt to do it without social media. I think, I mean, we already talked about how watching sporting events now has totally changed. Like, I will watch a baseball game or a hockey game or whatever. And instantly, like if I have a question or I'm wondering about some sort of statistic, I'm instantly on Twitter.

Or just, yeah, you follow Mike Wilner and he'll tell you that rule. I follow, I just, you know, that's where all the information is and it's so easy to find. So I actually have tried to make a habit of turning my phone or my computer off for like, I'll be like, okay, just like for the whole second period,

like let's just like watch without looking at my Twitter because sometimes I get sucked too much into the Twitter and then I look up and I'm like, 10 minutes of gameplay has gone by and I couldn't tell you a thing minus what I'm seeing on Twitter, which wouldn't really be my own opinion, right? Right.

That is one thing I've noticed. So I'm not sure anymore where my opinions, where my opinion begins and the opinions I'm absorbing in real time via twitter and like they're bleeding into each other like sometimes all my initial gut instinct will be one way and then very quickly i'll realize all of twitter thinks the opposite way and now i said oh am i am i stupid this is yeah well this happened to me it happens to me all the time uh it happened to me at the Subban trade because all of Twitter told me

this is the worst trade in the history of the world. And my initial reaction to the Subban trade was that it would make the Montreal Canadiens a bigger playoff threat next season. This was my initial... And then instantly I learned the world was against me and I felt bad. You had shame.

You were like, I feel shame right now. But in the old days, you would have these opinions. You might tell the guys at work or the guys at the bar or your brother or whatever. But now it's like instant shame. Like, yeah, I just felt like I'm stupid. Like, I'm stupid. I like my favorite thing on one of my favorite things to do on Twitter is when there's a replay in baseball or a challenge. I love to just like not look at my social media, decide like for myself,

like, okay, what's going to happen. And then go on Twitter and see what everyone else thinks and see like how like on point I am because you know, with baseball replays and challenges, you have all the time in the world to do that. That's right.

It's, I just, I just rewatched the final quarter of the Michael Jordan's last title of the bulls. Okay. This is on YouTube with commercials and everything. So it's like a real time. Yeah.

I think I actually saw someone had posted this recently. It might've been me. Maybe it was you. You don't read my tweets, do you? Hey, I read whatever. Pretend you do. Of course I do. Good answer.

So there were a couple of plays where one was, the Bulls hit a three pointer, but it was too late. Okay. But there's no replay back then. And the refs hit a three-pointer, but it was too late. Okay. But there's no replay back then. And the refs counted it and it counted. And there was a five-point swing in points that would not have counted today. And the Bulls ended up winning by one late.

Crazy. Yeah. And I was just watching this and I realized, like, that's going to count because they're never going to look at this thing. It's just now it seems strange. Like you could, you know, the red light can go on and then you release your shot.

But if they think it was in time, it counts. It counts. Wow. It was part of the game back then. Part of the game back then. We didn't think anything of it back then.

And now it's like, why don't we get this right instead of just like relying on human beings? What I don't like though about like the challenge and the replays in baseball is that even if they realize like the

call's wrong it's so they need so much evidence to overturn the call like how many times have you seen that it's like clearly the call's wrong but because they called whoever safe originally they're just going to keep it safe i'm like what is the point well it just happened the other night in a chase game wasn't donaldson safe the other night? But you used the word clearly. It's always when it's not quite clearly. Like the word clearly suggests conclusive. If there's just like a little bit of doubt.

Exactly. This is sort of like, I just watched the OJ, the People vs. OJ thing. I need to watch that. I haven't watched that yet. Okay, do this, okay? Because I just did this.

I watched the ESPN five-part documentary series The People vs. OJ. I need to watch that. I haven't watched that yet. Do this, okay? Because I just did this. I watched the ESPN five-part documentary series about OJ killing. And then I watched the, what network is that? Is it FX or whatever? Then I watched the one of Cuba Gooding Jr., the dramatization of OJ. That documentary, that five-part documentary from ESPN much much better amazing it's called American Crime

I can't remember what it's called but watch the 30 for 30 series skip the Cuba Goodie Juvia because once

it's just it's so good all that 30 for 30 stuff is pretty amazing so do that yeah I've been meaning to get around to that one it's very good

do you have any uh let me get dark for a minute then i'll get light again but i was on reddit the other day when i was getting ready for this episode and someone on reddit and i'm just telling you what's happening one someone on reddit posted that they're obsessed with you and they wanted someone to pretend to be you so basically they're looking for somebody to what yeah to dress up and pretend to be jackie redmond so i guess like a like a prostitute or something like that are you serious this is a lie i'll if i were more together afterwards i'll show no i'm not making it up i'm not making it up okay so this is on reddit i see i don't i don't even know what reddit really is stay that way but i so my initial thoughts were uh that that's super

creepy and then i wondered like for and i'm gonna say like you have your social media presence i don't think my social media presence could ever compete with your social media presence because you're um because you don't look like me is that fair to say okay sure okay sure and in that same vein there's a benefit to that right yeah And in that same vein, there's a benefit to that. Right. Yeah. So in that same vein, this guy who's obsessed with you is because you're an attractive young person. Is there some, is there any security fear at all with that? Like for a young woman working in this big city in this big industry? Well, that one, that's a new one. That's a new one that's a new one um i've had a couple of things happen to me that were um a little bit alarming um never nothing ever came of them but i did have somebody

who was harassing me daily on twitter at one point um that i had to report him because he was just sending me like obviously like if someone tweets at you like you're gonna see it yeah um until you block and or mute and or report so i did have somebody send me inappropriate pictures for like a week like every day for like a week with threats and stuff so that person i had to report that was like probably the scariest one because i was like this person it doesn't this person hates me a little bit. And that's scary because they never have a good reason for hating you. You just become like some kind of target.

They're hating somebody. Maybe they had a bad childhood or maybe their ex-girlfriend. It was really bizarre. And then I got a letter from prison, actually. That one was weird. But I think it was harmless. But it was still weird to get. It was like, oh, weird. At least those letters, I think they have to read those letters.

I think. Like, you can't just, I think they read those letters. There was nothing, like, bad in it. It was just, like, a weird thing to happen. But that, the Reddit thing, like, that's pretty crazy. I'll bet you the letter from prison was about the WWE. No, it wasn't. It wasn't.

I just took a shot in the dark there. Apologies to my fellow Ultimate Warrior fans. You're going to make a lot of WWE fans upset. I'm not sure they're listening to Toronto Mike. They might be.

Well, if I tweet about it, they might listen. Well, I love, again, that cup. I didn't put that here because you're coming. I've always had the Andre the Giant mug

on my table. I got that around the year of your birth, like 86 or something. I have to ask if there was responses to this Reddit poster. When I saw it, there were no responses at all. But I didn't check in again. I just saw it the one time. And then I just wondered if that was like, it just seems like there. Do you have any security fears?

I think no, not really. And I think like Erin Andrews and stuff because she was, well, she is, I guess, a sports broadcaster who, through no fault of her own, is aesthetically pleasing. And it seems like a woman in that situation would pay a harsh price for it. See, Brendan Dunlop is a handsome guy,

but I don't think he has the Reddit post. He's like, come to me and pretend you're Brendan. Maybe he does. Who knows? That hair. Yeah, he's got great hair. He does. That is absolutely true.

Here's a question for you that came through TorontoMike.com. Here's a question for Jackie. What's the dress code at Sportsnet? A female friend complains that all the women seem to wear form-fitting sleeveless dresses. I see the men in suits and ties. The women don't seem to dress as quote-unquote formally. However, my idea of how to dress might be from another century. John M.

So John admits he's a bit dated here, but is there a dress code at Sportsnet? There is. So John admits he's a bit dated here, but is there a dress code at Sportsnet? There is. And I, you know, I find it funny when I see these types of questions or comments, because I think the women at Sportsnet dress very conservatively. I mean, yes, we're in dresses, but I mean, women wear dresses. That is like a very, it's a very common thing. Martine Geyer wears blazers, but not all the girls.

It's true, and he uses the term form-fitting, which to me means not baggy and bulky. Should you be wearing... The guys aren't wearing suit jackets that are loose. They're wearing form-fitted suits. And according to David Schultz,

part of the problem with George Straubelopoulos in the skinny pants. If he wore peg-hear pants, things might have turned out differently. Well, anyways, that would be my response to that question, is that the dresses are as form-fitted as the suits are, and that I would say the look across the Sportsnet brand is quite conservative. It's not like Fox News where, you know, they're wearing bikinis out there. This is much more conservative.

No bikinis. This one, I'm going to truncate this one because part of this is unfair to you, but it basically says, be careful, Mike. Don't look into her eyes. Don't fall for her spell. She is dangerous.

And that one, of course, comes from somebody who is writing that anonymously. And to me, that's something you would never get for like if elliot friedman ellie friedman's been on the show arash madani's been on the show i didn't get anything like that this seems it just seems like an unfair price is paid by the young aesthetically pleasing sports broadcasters no i think that's definitely true and i think especially when you look at how far like women have come i mean rachel nichols was co-hosting on PTI last week, which is amazing for a woman to be, you know, having a co-host role on a show dedicated to sports opinion.

Um, so I think it's, it's, uh, it's unfortunate for women that have worked really, really hard to, um, change that perception and to change the perception that women in sports are just nice to look at. And that's really, and they can present and that's really all they have. That's what makes me upset about that. But when I get tweets and emails from young girls that are huge sports fans that want to work in sports and I, and I can tell that they are legitimately passionate about sports, then it makes all that stuff worth it to me. And yeah. And, and back in my day you had what I call outliers, the female sports broadcaster. I always think of Teresa Hergert who, uh, became Teresa Cruz,

but bottom line is that they were like the exception, not the rule today. You know, you look at your flock of Rogers personnel and there's, um, many females, you don't even, you don't know if they're female anymore because they're just human beings who are good at what they do and know their sports. Exactly. Exactly. Although there needs to be more...

But thank you for the compliment, Anonymous. It's not like it was mean. It was nice. Do you think so? I don't know. Because I've been looking at your eyes for an hour now.

Am I now under your spell? Are you dangerous? I think that's what he wants to know. Are you dangerous? I am dangerous only in the sense that I work really hard. And yeah. That's not dangerous at all.

Who are the biggest names you've interviewed? Ooh. I mean, interviewing is something that I'm working on. It's not something I do a lot of. But I have interviewed Cito Gaston was a big deal for me. Tony LaRusso was a big deal for me. These are recent ones. The Rock was huge.

He's a big movie star now. Did you know that? He's a star. I was pretty excited for that one. I have interviewed... Who else have I interviewed? There's not a lot of people more famous than The Rock now, actually. No, he's very, very famous. Do you think he'd do Toronto Mic'd?

I think it would take a lot of work on your part, but you never know. And can you please do his catchphrase for me? Because I was out of wrestling by then, but the guys at the grocery store I worked at would do this all the time. I won't do it justice, though. Just do it for me, please. I wish I could do a people people's eyebrow but i can't um okay i have to really like go big or go home if i'm gonna do this right it's gonna be loud be loud yeah i can't do it i'm gonna compress the shit i can't do it it's like if you smell

what the rock is cooking something like that i think you held back there i did hold back because you're supposed to do like if you smell and then like you do like the like la la la la. And did you know did you ever predict

that he would become like one of the highest paid movie stars? No. That's crazy, right? That transition's crazy. Like to cross over. Because Hulk Hogan

tried to do it with the nanny. Remember? I don't know. Yeah, it didn't quite. John Cena's trying to do the same thing. Yeah, he was in Trainwreck or whatever. Yeah, he was actually pretty good in that. He was not bad. You know who was good in that? Who? LeBron James. He was. LeBron was good in it. He was likable. I thought he might be the funniest part of that movie. Yeah, he was very likable. He was likable. I'm in love with LeBron

James. Okay, so did you see his quotes the other day about chasing the ghost of Michael Jordan? I did see the headline there, yeah. What were your thoughts? I didn't read deep enough to have thoughts, except good for him. I root for him. I think he's a better player than Michael Jordan, and I worshiped at the altar of Michael Jordan.

And I just watched the last 12 minutes of his Chicago Bulls career, and he's a very good player. But what I saw from LeBron James in the fourth quarter against the Warriors a couple of months ago, superior. And Michael Jordan had three plays at the end of this game, which won it for the Bulls.

They win by one and three in a row, a defensive play, defensive play, and often just amazing plays. But LeBron, remember when he, when he blocked that shot, I'm sorry.

Block heard around the world. And he led both teams in all of the important statistical categories, offensively and defensively. This will never happen. Anyway, I have trouble even digesting what he did in that series. Michael Jordan could never do that. It was crazy because LeBron, up to that point, people were saying he's never going to be as good as Michael Jordan.

No one would give him that. And then I think he changed a lot of people's perception with that final series. And he did do one thing, not that Jordan had to because he won six titles, but Jordan only won with the one team. I'm not even trying to throw that against Jordan, but it is kind of neat when you can do it with multiple teams as LeBron has done. Well, see, the reverse of that, though, would be like kind of neat when you can do it with multiple teams as LeBron has done. Okay. Well, see,

the reverse of that, though, would be like, well, he had to go, he had to, like, create a super team in order to win the first one. True that. True that. But Jordan, yeah,

Jordan wasn't going to go to a final until I was Scottie Pippen. Can LeBron play baseball? That's the question. I bet you he'd be a hell of a baseball player. I bet you he could.

Crazy strong, big, and fast. I think he'd be a great baseball player. I got to go fast now because I got big, and fast. I think he'd be a great baseball player. I got to go fast now because I got to pick up my kid at daycare, believe it or not. But who inspired you in sports broadcasting? Clearly not Teresa Hergert because you weren't there. The first female, and I'm not just saying this because of where I work,

but I remember when i was i would guess i would be how old are you when you're in like grade seven and eight i guess you're like i do know i have a grade eight kid 14 for grade eight 14 yeah okay so i remember at that time this was when the leafs were playing under pat quinn and they were making the playoffs every year and every morning i would watch hazel may on was Sportsnet. Was it connected then? Yes. So I would watch her. And she was the first that I remember actually idolizing.

She was the first girl that I remember thinking, oh my God, I want to do what she does. Because up to that point, I remember Jodie Vance. I remember Jodie Vance. But I didn't have that same sort of, I want to be Jodie Vance. I remember Jodie Vance. But I didn't have that same sort of, like, I want to be Jodie Vance. Hazel May was like, oh, like, I want to be like her. Do you want a fun fact? Sure.

If we exclude Barb DiGiulio, who now does not cover sports, if we exclude her, you are the second female sports broadcaster on this show following Hazel May. Who else? Hazel May is one. one yeah you're two oh wow yeah see i obviously i blew the delivery of my son i was like wait what so if we exclude if we don't include barb to julio because she wasn't an all sports station but she no longer touches right sports uh hazel may was the first female sports broadcaster i had here wow you're number two and tomorrow is number three whoa crazy those are fun facts those are fun facts the uh i gotta ask you about rap i do i do want to give a shout out though first to katie nolan who is someone that i look up to now shout out to katie nolan? I should know her and I don't know.

She's very funny. She's more of an entertainer but she's hilarious. And she also gets super serious on some of the more serious topics. Is she doing lots of wrestling stuff? No, she doesn't do any wrestling stuff. She hosts a show called Garbage Time in the States.

I didn't even know that about that show but I will check it out. She's very funny. You rap? I attempt to rap. Garbage time in the States. Oh, see, I didn't even know that about that show, but I will check it out. She's very funny. Cool. You rap? I attempt to rap. Who are your favorite rappers? Because I do this. I do this.

You rap? I rap all the time. Okay, so I love... Okay, so there are certain rappers that I love, but I could never rap their stuff because I just... I'm not good enough. Slash their style does not suit me.

But I love to rap Eminem. I love Nelly. I love the greats. Jay-Z, Tupac, Biggie. I love all of them. Who else do I like?

I just watched a documentary on who killed Biggie and Tupac and they make... There's compelling evidence that puff daddy is behind the murder of tupac shakur and then the murder of notorious big being retaliation the evidence in this documentary is quite interesting what's it called because i'm gonna have to watch it now. Yeah, I can't remember. Because I, in the 10th grade true story, fun fact, we had to do persuasive speeches in my grade 10 English class.

And I wrote my persuasive speech to convince the class that Tupac was still alive. Because there's this whole conspiracy theory that he's not actually dead. I think now it's been proven that he's still dead. Well, we had the same conspiracy theory for Elvis. Yes. So I did the whole speech on that in my pink and white high tops.

Unfortunately, you know what? People forget how young he was when he died. He was only 25 when he died. He was 25? I didn't realize that. Yeah, because looking back, it's just crazy. So, yeah. Wow. So, back to Eminem. Have you ever seen Eminem in concert? No.

I was supposed to see him and then I didn't. You want to hear an embarrassing fact? Yes. I saw him open for Limp Bizkit. What? That's not embarrassing. That's actually amazing.

Well, at the time it was amazing and now I don't advertise it as much. Now you're like Limp Bizkit. And I also saw Nickelback twice. So, these are the things I don't like. How was Eminem live? Amazing probably. Excellent.

Yeah, he was excellent. He's a talent he's a talent. He's great. Uh, I'm a big fan. My favorite rap act of all time who I've seen live and I will do the most rapping to is this band right here, Public Enemy. Okay. Okay. You should, you should dive into, it takes a nation of millions to hold this back and then get back to me. Okay. I'll practice it. I'll practice it. By the way, rapping at karaoke is my favorite thing to do because people are always like on your side. Like if you're someone that gets up and tries to rap,

like even if you're not that good, the crowd loves it. Yeah. It's a crowd pleaser. Absolutely. Absolutely. What's your most controversial opinion? Like,

do you have any thoughts? Like maybe the earth is flat or anything like that um oh man you're gonna get i'm gonna get in trouble okay um i have i don't believe the black holes exist but whoa slow down but who are you like what degrees do you have zero that would give you the the authority to even question something of that nature zero i watched this show called through the wormhole and there's a whole episode on black holes and they explain everything about black holes and then there's a part where they say nobody has ever actually seen a black hole like there's never been like a satellite that they've sent out there that's like captured imagery of a black hole they Like there's never been like a satellite that they've sent out there. That's like captured imagery of a black hole. They just know that black holes exist based on math and,

uh, yeah, pretty much math. And so to me, like math works, but it is a man-made language, so to speak, to measure things. And I just can't, I'm not saying black holes don't exist, but I'm not going to believe that they exist because somebody's mathematical equation says that they do. Wow. Is that crazy? I'm crazy. To me, that's a bit, uh, a little arrogant on your part that you think you have, like, because you can't do, because you don't understand the math behind it, this does not exist. That to me is quite arrogant. Let me rephrase.

Are you going to walk this back? I tried to get more perfect there. A little bit, but not completely. All I'm saying is that... I'm not saying I don't believe in black holes. I'm saying that we shouldn't just accept whatever people tell us just because of something like math.

Like if you've never actually seen a black hole, how do you actually know that it's out there? Clearly, you're not a very religious person. I'm actually quite. I actually do believe. Okay, I may ask you. I do believe that there's a higher power. There's no math behind the higher power. No. But you believe. Okay, I may ask you. I do believe that there's a higher power, for sure. There's no math behind the higher power.

No. But you believe it blindly, probably because your parents told you this was the case. No, I believe there's a higher power because there's no explanation that I have heard to explain existence outside of that. So I know there's the Big Bang Theory. See, I'm coming across like someone that has a real problem with science.

Now I'm worried that you're going to get the stick to sports. Which is fair. I mean, I probably deserve that. It's more than fair. I'm on board. I'll take it. I can't just accept that like the Big Bang Theory, for example, is a very popular theory for what

created the universe. Sure. Or how it came to be. Right. But so if the Big Bang Theory is a bunch of like you know particles and gases and whatever you know coming together in one big explosion where did all those particles and gases come

from? So you need a beginning. I need a beginning. You need an from? So you need a beginning. I need a beginning. You need an initial push. I need a beginning. It can't just be. No, because everything has to come from something. But that initial push needs to be some kind of a divine being.

It doesn't have to be. Can I call this person you're referring to God? I know it's not a person. Sure. You believe in God because only God could have started this cosmic ballet. I'm saying that I believe in a higher power because there's no explanation that I can buy into. But all I have to ask you, and obviously I've got to cut this wonderful discussion. I know. I'm really sorry. I really agree.

But I've got to ask you this, okay? I'm going to get a lot of Twitter hate for this. You don't believe in black holes because you don't understand the math behind it, but you believe in a higher power with no math behind it. Like there's nothing behind it other than there's got to be, I got a feeling there's got to be something out there. It's not that I don't understand the math behind black holes. It's that I don't think that you can just say like black holes for sure exist because of this math equation.

Like show me a black hole and I will believe in black holes. Yeah, but there's so many things you don't see, but you believe. Like from gravity to like... Well, I don't believe in God. That's fair. But I believe in black holes. I don't believe in God, but I fear him. Well, I believe in God.

I think we're going to be... I just need to stop. I'm going to get ridiculed for that. But I'm just saying that like... How else would you explain existence? How do you explain magnets? Well, that's... Well, yeah.

Okay, fair enough. You win. You win. You win. Black holes are real. I have this... I stole that from the... Who are the juggalos? Who are the juggalo guys?

You know the juggalos? You ever heard of the... Who's the rap? Speaking of... The juggalo guys. So where Eminem is a good white rapper, there's a couple of guys in clown makeup who are weak-ass white rappers. Wait, is that Insane Clown in clown makeup who are what I, weak ass white rappers.

Is that insane clown posse? Yes. Okay. So the followers of the insane clown posse are called juggalos. That's what they're called. I'm telling you. I didn't know that. Yes.

And they had a song once in which they, they, they, in the song, they prove God exists because how else would you explain things like magnets? And they run down the list of things that are unexplainable unless there's a God and I found it very amusing because we have so much science to explain all these things that they didn't find uh they didn't it reminds me of your black hole theory like like I oh man how else

would you explain magnets except there's a God like how else would you explain a rainbow there must be a God. How can you... You know, it's the same with your black hole. Although you don't believe in the damn black hole, but if there was a black hole, you would thank God for it. No, I just... I don't know how to explain what I mean.

I'm just saying that I can't just believe something. Do you want me to edit out the last 20 minutes? Kind of. No, I can't just believe something just because somebody tells me it. Wow. You know what I mean? Even though they're scientists

smarter than you. But no scientists, they are smarter than me for sure. But like, I, like scientists, the Big Bang Theory, like I still am waiting

for someone to explain to me where all those particles came from. Like where did they come from before they all collided and exploded? I'm going to remove the last 20 minutes of this episode. We're going to end it right after, like, the Hazel May part.

You're going to save me from ridicule? When Hazel May came over, she brought her very large husband with her. Kevin. Right. Yes. And he barely fit down here and he sat there. Kevin's great. You need to have him on this show.

Would he? I think he would do it. Well, he was, you know, it's funny. He sat in my basement for an hour. So why wouldn't he do it? He would have sat here to not be on the show. I'm sure he would. And I have a third mic here.

And I said, you know, you can jump on the mic. He goes, this is Hazel's show. He knows his role. But I was thinking that's how Hazel May's security force, like she brings a bodyguard basically when she comes over to sit in my basement. I love it. And you came alone. I did.

And you're leaving with beer. I trusted you. I'm trustworthy. Tomorrow, I'm going to tell Carolyn about your theories on the black hole and see if she agrees with you, okay? I bet she won't. black hole and see if she agrees with you. Okay. I bet she won't.

And that brings us to the end of our 187th show. You can follow me on Twitter at Toronto Mike. Jackie is at Jackie underscore Redmond. Who's got Jackie Redmond? Like without the underscore, who's got that? I don't know. I just know it wasn't available.

Try to get it back. I think it was an egg. Would you buy it with an egg? Let's see if you can buy it for 20 bucks. And our friends at Great Lakes Brewery are at Great Lakes Beer. See you all next week. And it won't go away Cause everything is Rosy and green Well you've been under my skin For more than eight years It's been eight years of laughter

And eight years of tears And I don't know what the future Can hold or will do For me and you But I'm a much better man