Toronto Mike'd: The Official Toronto Mike Podcast - Jay Brody and Roddy Colmer: Toronto Mike'd #847

Episode Date: May 12, 2021

Mike catches up with 102.1 the Edge morning show man Jay Brody and musician extraordinaire Roddy Colmer before they kick out the grunge.

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Ridley Funeral Home. Pillars of the community since 1921 and Mike Majeski or as I call him, Mimico Mike He's the real estate agent who's ripping up the Mimico real estate scene Learn more at realestatelove.ca I'm Mike from torontomike.com and joining me this week is 102.1 The Edge Morning Show man,

Jay Brody, and musician extraordinaire, Roddy Colmer. Welcome back. You could combine all your sponsors and have a great time. You could have a nice house, a good dinner with a beer, and then die and have a cool sticker. Like you could have a nice house, a good dinner with a beer, and then die, and have a cool sticker on your casket. Honestly, that's the idea. It's sort of like your life plan is all out there.

Hey, I'm so excited to have you guys in the backyard. Like I was out here with Wise Blot yesterday, but it was freezing cold, and like it's like summer today. This is amazing. It's a beautiful day for a podcast. Yeah. When was the last time you two were in the same uh space it's been four i haven't seen this guy for 14

months it's been like what february before i started on the edge yeah it's okay if you cry jay just uh this is an emotional moment like uh we do talk every day so we talk every day but it's uh and we've we've accomplished so much together in the last. The quarantine has actually, COVID has worked out great for us. Yeah. We just haven't, we haven't been together. So it's a, it's a, it's wild to reconnect here on the Toronto Mike podcast. We had a garbage bag hug in the front.

I put on a garbage bag so we could hug. Yeah, I saw that. I witnessed that. I wanted to take like video footage of that, but I didn't want to get anybody in could hug. Yeah, I saw that. I witnessed that. I wanted to take video footage of that, but I didn't want to get anybody in trouble. That's how it works nowadays, everybody. If you have one shot of the vaccine like Roddy and I do, just put a garbage bag over your head and hug your friend.

That actually makes sense. You might die and then you'll need Ridley Funeral Home. We got you covered. We got you coming both ways. So quick gifts right off the top. So Ridley Funeral Home did send over like a sanitizer for each of you. Yeah, there you go. So that's yours, you know, courtesy of Ridley Funeral Home,

Pillars of the Community, some hand sanitizer. So drink up. Can I just say this about this hand sanitizer? High quality. It's not the stuff, you know, sometimes you walk into a store. Right. They dilute it. You know why?

They're diluting it. This is high quality. It's like remember the Simpsons when they had walk into a store. Right. They dilute it. You know why? They're diluting it. This is high quality. It's like, remember the Simpsons when they had the orange drink and then Skinner was saying, water it more. And he's like, I can't water no more. No, this is pure and good. This is the good stuff. Okay.

If Roddy can break into it. But what else? I got for real drink though. I got fresh craft beer for you guys from Great Lakes Brewery. I love Great Lakes. Yeah. Good assortment of flavors they have. And you know what goes well with Great Lakes beer?

Lasagna. Lasagna! Palma Pasta sent that over this morning. Some meat lasagna for you guys. So nice. By the way, can't get better than Palma Pasta lasagna. Is that true? I'm here all the time for the Palma Pasta lasagna. Mike, please have a son again.

We're hungry. Just to wrap it up, a Toronto Mike sticker for each of you. Mike, please, have a song again. We're hungry. All right, and just to wrap it up, a Toronto Mike sticker for each of you. I think I have a couple on the table there. That's courtesy of Sticker U. They make the best stickers. Thank you. You guys mentioned you've been prolific

during this quarantine or lockdown or whatever we're calling it. But you guys specifically, because I know, Jay, you're on the morning show, 102.1, and I have questions about that. And, Roddy, you're making music like yeah i got gonna play some and i got questions about that but what have you guys been up to like together well we've been um the the quarantine kind of allowed us to really focus on the um the parody songs uh for the Howard Stern show. So it kind of made us get our home set up a little bit more professional. And that way we can just we call each other basically every day and just kind of brainstorm ideas either for the Stern show or for Jay's show. We've been doing

some some music for that. Okay, so there's Roddy on the 102.1 The Edge morning show. We have some fantastic parodies and stuff that we come up with for that show also. You know, every time I think Roddy comes on, I'm like, can you send me some of that stuff you play for Stern? And he's like, no, that's for Stern only. But I did find like 40 seconds I can play. I found it on the internet.

You guys didn't send it to me. I found this, so I feel like it's a fair game. But here's a little taste of what you guys do for Stern Show. When Ronnie tried to draw a clock.

Do. He had to look at his watches and do. Cock rings and anal play. Do. Most of his brain cells have died away. Singing. 69. Do.

69! Whoa, whoa, whoa. Stop the clock. You don't know shit, pal, so fuck yourself. A little context there. They asked Ronnie, who's 70 years old, to draw a clock. It's a test for dementia just from memory. And he had to actually look at a clock to be able to draw it properly. So that's what... But that singing voice is you, Roddy.

That's me, yeah. Jay, mostly I'll sing the songs unless it's a springsteen song which jay is fantastic at or he has a couple others and then jay adds the drops that you hear of the uh whoever the song's about he'll add the drops and we write together and everything and come up with the ideas so it's a yeah right it was we were picking up steam with the stern show and then the lockdown happened and we had to like just yeah quickly build home studios also on the edge i was started that show in two weeks into it they're like go home that's the shittiest timing right like i know you've been here since the pandemic

because you came over last summer with your and remind us who co-hosts that wonderful morning shauna whalen chrissy uh and we host every morning on the edge but you're not doing it from chorus key you're doing it from home i'm in chorus key i meant like we're all in different locations though so i'm in one part of the building chris is another part of the building shauna's at home in uh her basement they put you in like an interrogation room basically it's like has no windows and there's no sunlight there's no natural sunlight holding desk with a microphone like they're gonna give you i'm asking this sincerely because i think you guys are great but like they'll give you a fair shot right you can't it's not quite fair

to to like to do this during the pandemic like you're gonna have a shot to do this in normal time i hope yeah like i listen they've been very accommodating, and I hope we get that. I hope, listen, every day there's a new show. We put out our best, and I do just hope for everything to open up. The sooner everything gets to get open again and we can get back to real life. And a lot of our audience, too, is struggling or at home. So we're all in this together, except Doug Ford and the politicians who are doing great at cottages and holding side deals and whatever. But is it still fun?

You guys are still having a blast doing it? Yeah, it's still a lot of fun, and we have a lot of fun, and you just have to adapt. It's just constantly lot of fun, and we have a lot of fun, and you just have to adapt. It's just constantly adapting and changing, which is good for radio because you never get too comfortable. But listen, it's definitely challenging, but everyone's in the same boat, right? Everybody is, for the most part, broadcasting in weird setups, different locations throughout the city so the uh

okay so that's the 102.1 the edge situation and uh like you guys yeah the timing couldn't have been worse in a lot of regards like you got the is it still like any buyer's remorse is it still the dream gig because that was a big part of the narrative was like you know where you started and people should go back and listen to other Jay Brody episodes to find out like where Jay started. And basically like, like now you're like hosting the morning show at 102.1 The Edge. Like this is dream come true time, but any buyer's remorse?

Are you still psyched? Oh, you know, no, I'm still psyched. I'm still excited. I just, I like, I can't wait to go and be with the fans and our audience again you know what i mean like it's such it is there is no buyer's remorse but like even like roddy and i work every day together haven't seen this guy in 14 months do you know what i mean first day i've seen him in over a year after we've accomplished so much together and we're

growing an audience over on the edge and we're growing a fan base again and like i i can't like i've never met these people i don't see them there's no events we're going to there's a lot of like stuff that i miss in regards to radio i miss going on sales calls and meeting clients and you know what i mean like doing all that other stuff in radio that uh that i do miss so there's no buyer's remorse i just i miss a lot of stuff right now yeah no doubt no doubt uh i just hope they give you a shot like i hope that they give you a good good long leash post pandemic like because i mean i think i think you guys got the goods you just need the you know the opportunity in like normal times yeah i think we'll get it

we'll get it you know who knows like listen you know? Who knows? Like, listen, eventually Ryan Seacrest will take every job in radio. There'll be a Ryan Seacrest robot that floats above the city. So that's, who knows when that's coming? Is it now? Is it in 10 years? Is it in five minutes?

We don't know. Yeah. And you guys as a team, now I'm talking you, Roddy, and Jay, like I saw a tweet yesterday, four years ago today that i think you sent this jay uh roddy colmer and you had the number one comedy album in canada that was four years ago i think there's there are some cold ones wait do you have a cold there's

gotta be a coin in there keep feeling for a cold one come on cold one well i feel i think this no yeah lake effect american ipa cracking a cold one for the beat. For one album four years ago, yeah. Which album was that? First. Comfortably Dumb? Yeah. Comfortably Dumb, yeah.

Comfortably Dumb was number one in Canada. Amazing. And I got a question about Stern, too. Do you think Stern in his basement is the same vibe, like the same energy? Do you think Stern's a good example of a show I feel that is best when they're all together in the studio? Like, I know you've got to be careful here, I suppose. Well, I think any show is better when people are together.

But that being said, you could throw on his show from yesterday and a show from two years ago, and you probably wouldn't be able to tell the difference. Yeah, like he's really leading the way on how you do this sort of thing in these times you know what i mean like this setup they have is incredible they're um you know working together in that way like different locations seamlessly broadcasting both he's in florida right like he's in florida we have no you have no idea okay i don't know get the goods on howard stern here my competition wiseblood told me yesterday you said that i was better than howard You have no idea. You have no idea. Okay. I don't know. Get the goods on Howard Stern here. My competition.

Wiseblot told me yesterday you said that I was better than Howard Stern, so I'm just ignoring all other opinions on the topic. That guy knows what he's talking about. Listen, they're definitely leading the way as far as how to do radio during these times in a big way. Yeah, and that guy's adapted to everything ever that's been put in front of him and kind of evolved and been like the best always, no matter what the climate has been or what's going on.

He's the king of all media, this guy. Here's the thing with Stern, like literally, like a lot of times, like he paved the roads we drive on as far as morning radio. Like that guy, I'm not blowing up any, like literally the type of radio a lot of shows do was invented by Stern before we were even born.

You know, so. And anything you do on the radio in terms of like games or ideas, he's probably done. Like it's hard to come up with something that he hasn't done or that's similar. And think of it, you guys now provide content for that show. So, I mean, Jay's living two dreams now, right?

Like he's hosting the show on 102.1. He's part of the Howard Stern Show. Meanwhile, Roddy, I'm about to play your new song, Wrapped Up in You. Yes. Like since it's been the Jay show so far. But tell me, you got a new release coming out, new music? May 21st, so next Friday. New song wrapped up in you.

Can I play it? Sure, yeah. All right, let's hear it. We are now at Upper Session Road In your eyes, I can't wait for next time. Missing you, is she missing me too? Is she missing me? I am so hung up on you Wound you Me wrapped up in you

Wrapped up in you You talented mofo. Holy moly. But that's like a lot of production there. Who's producing this? My friend Ben Nutz, who I've like a lot of production there. Who's producing this? My friend Ben Nuds, who I've done a lot of work with. He's producing that. I mostly just lip sync that whole thing.

Yeah, that's actually me singing. That's Jay, yeah. Am I hearing background vocals? That's all me doing all those background vocals. Yeah. I just make a choir of rotties different types of rotties some girls some guys yeah and they all sing together the rotti choir yeah but there's some great players on that stewart cameron from crash test dummies

the guitar player he played on that and uh, the production value is really great. The older I get, the more I'm spending time on my songs. I used to kind of just go in the studio and have fun and just whatever came out, came out. But now it's like a lot more detailed and kind of... Yeah, like it's got a bit of like that Mazzy kind of, you know what I mean? It's got that euphoral. Is that a word, euphoral? Ethereal? Yeah, maybe that's a big word for me.

I can't do that. But dude, you're very good. Has anyone told you that? Jay, just Jay only. I can't believe it's been 14 months since you guys. I feel like I brought you together. That's kind of cool. I felt like I was on a date.

I was like, what do I wear to see Robbie? I changed three times. I'm wearing new shoes. And you're wearing a Raptors hat. I think today's the anniversary of the shot. I think it was like, yeah, whatever that was. Hey, Kawhi, you should have stayed. You want to want another one? Did you see what happened last year? Come on.

Yeah, for sure. Okay, amazing. So you've got the new album coming out in, what do you say, in a week? Yeah, May 21st, yeah. Okay, what's the album called? Oh, it's just the single. Oh, it's just a single rap so okay so that's like i have an exclusive here kind of maybe first time ever wow will they play it on 102.1 the edge i don't know if that fits that tune yeah and you have no say right jay like they hand you that i have no say i have no say at all like the good old days just like the good old days. Just like the good old days. There's no... There's no say.

But thinking about Jay's trajectory, because you talk about him... Yeah, like he was cleaning shit out of... Well, this is piss disc. So I was working in a construction condo. We were in a construction condo. Yeah. And working for the family business.

Yeah. So at this point, I work for the family business. We're all in it together. We're supposed to get rich. And I So at this point I work for the family business We're all in it together We're supposed to get rich I'm at this point the only one not getting rich The family business is going well I'm still I'm a laborer at this point

I was a site supervisor Which is a decent gig But in between jobs Instead of It's the family business by the way instead of getting like okay stay in the office for two weeks before your next site opens up because you can only build so much house you only build so much condo eventually you have to stop and wait for the next development in between gigs they had me doing labor work which is i'm fine with in a condo but what i wasn't used to is my job was literally a go

around cleaning up the piss bottles and piss cups the other trades left because when you're building a let's say nine-story building there's no running water these guys are just pissing in right bottles and bottles and then i what i noticed was that when you leave piss in a condo, it's not developed. It develops a disc. Like on top of it. A film? No, it's not a film, Roddy. It's a fucking disc. Play Frisbee.

You can play Frisbee with it. When they make the movie of your life, and they should be doing that, there's going to be that great scene at the beginning when you're cleaning the piss discs or whatever, and then they'll have that moment where you're like the number, in your targeted demo, you're the number one morning show in the city of toronto the biggest city in the fucking country that's the goal that's the goal i love this yeah and i just no schooling in media no no we're still listening it's a long it's a long road to to that place so i'm very well you

did that in like five or six years got you got on Edge 102 Morning Show and Howard Stern Show from cleaning piss discs. Yeah, that's a new record. Yeah, that's a new record in piss discs. Yeah, I want to say piss dick too. Piss disc. But if you keep going in that way, in the next five years, you'll probably be the prime minister. Listen, you don't want that job.

I don't want that job, but I'm not ready to ruin my life yet. I did do some politics in the past, but I am where I want to be forever. Like, I would really love just to plant my feet here and grow from there, take over the world from the edge. Well, you could take over the country, right, because that's the move now. Like, I think Roz and Mocha are in every city in the country or something like so you know you're in the right place because this is the you know the capital of the universe and then you can uh yeah your show can be in like whatever little markets across the country or whatever fucking

right you got the plan okay toronto mike sorry waterloo ward i'm taking your gig you know what i mean i'm coming that town and your job. Shout out to Waterloo. Hey, here's a question for you about 102.1 The Edge. When are we going to put Humble and Fred on the morning show? Remember we talked about it. We'll have to have them on. Is management pushing back or what happened there? Be honest with me.

There's a little pushback. Who? Who's pushing back? I'm going to get him in trouble. Because I got the guys excited about it, and then it didn't happen, and now they think I overreacted. No, the thing is, the timing sucks right now anyways. I'd love to be, I don't know.

Because remember, Humble and Fred are independent. They are not affiliated with any competitors. I understand. There's just so many like hoops to go through and that i love those guys like and for me a big part of the edge is like you know acknowledging the history and respecting it that's one of the advantages we have in this station is that we have a real history like you look back into but do you think the kids that are listening care about the history i always want it because i i care as you know as a host of

this program i care very much i care about pete? I always wonder, because I care, as you know, as a host of this program, I care very much. I care about Pete and Geetz, even though I didn't listen. I was listening to Tom Rivers on CFTR. But I care about the history of shit I didn't, I did an April Wine deep dive last week. Ask me, okay? I don't remember, I mean, I know the hits from like the classic rock radio

or whatever, but I wasn't around for April Wine's 1970s heyday. I'm too young. I'm about your age. But do you think the kids are listening to 102.1 give a shit about the guys who were on the air there in the 90s? Listen, it's like going to a Leaf game, right? The game is all about who's on the ice, and it's all the young guns.

You got Marner, Matthews. You got these guys in their prime. They're all studs. They're stylish. Right. But one of the things about being at the game is, when you're actually allowed to go to these games, is they're always tipping their hat to that history.

It reminds the fan base that they're a part of something large and historic. And it's not about the focal point of the station being the history. I think it's just enough to remind people that we've done fantastic stuff for so long. Like we hosted U2. You know what I mean? It's small venues in Toronto. Like that's a CFNY event. U2.

Like that's the history we have. Police picnics and all this jazz. Yes. Right? There's all that stuff we've done. So in my opinion, again, the focal point, like the Leaf game, is what's on the ice and the young guns that are doing their job there. But by recognizing the history,

I believe you're reminding people that love this station that they're a part of something that's bigger than they are, that's lasted and will continue to go on. But you have some resistance, apparently. And it's okay if you don't divulge the details, but it just sounds like you flew it up the flagpole and they took out their guns and shot it. Yeah, listen, it is what it is.

And hopefully there'll be a better time, though. We can save that moment for when I can actually see these guys and not do it on the phone or via Zoom call. Do you know what I mean? Go big or go home. Yeah, like, it'd be cool to do something that's not just on my phone via Zoom, right? Hey, in your analogy, is Shauna Austin Matthews? Like, who is Austin Matthews?

Who's Marner? Jay's Austin Matthews. Are you Austin Matthews? You're the, you pot the goals and what? Shauna's Marner? I mean, Shauna's like. It's like. Chris is Chris. Just like, you know, I'm pretty much just, we're the first line, right?

Chris is Nylander? Yeah. Chris might be Nylander. Yeah. Solid young player. Same era. I like Nylander. Yeah.

He gets a lot of flack. I think it's unfair. Well, listen, they're going to win the Stanley Cup this year, and then it'll all be for nothing. You don't have to worry about that flag. And we can have a parade, because my fear is the Leafs, in my lifetime, they'll finally win a cup, and then I won't get my parade. We're going to parade.

We're going to fucking parade. We'll wear masks. Roddy's got a garbage bag we'll wear over our heads. We're going to parade. Everybody, put the garbage bag around your head. I didn't tell the people, the listenership, I did not tell them that we're going to kick out grunge jams today yes i'm a big grunge fan this is my time i love grunge you know i was listening to your station g at 102.1 throughout the 90s it might as well i think it was barry

taylor said it was top 40 for grunge and it really it really was the home of grunge in this city and i can't wait to do this but the first question this comes out of a pandemic Friday episode of Toronto Mike in which I can't remember now in as I'm on the spot if it was Cam Gordon or Stu Stone but one of them said soul asylum it might have been Cam Gordon soul asylum

was grunge and I I almost lost it I don't think of soul asylum as a grunge band but I'm curious as to what you guys think is soulylum as a grunge band, but I'm curious as to what you guys think. Is Soul Asylum in the grunge category? Well, I would ask the same question about Blind Melon. There was bands that were kind of in that time. Adjacent.

They sort of hinted at that sound, but they weren't fully in. Right. But they kind of get grouped in anyways. But were they Seattle band, Soul Asylum? I'm not sure. No, I don't think they were a Seattle band. Dave Perner, I can't remember where they're at. Chicago or something.

Yeah, I wouldn't really group them in with the classic grunge band. Run Away Train, you know what I mean? Never Looking Back. Because I got your jams and we're going to start kicking them out ASAP. Soul Asylum had some good songs. I just never thought of them as grunge.

But there is a jam kicked out by one of you, Jay. And when we get to it, I'll be kind of grilling you as to whether it's, because I don't consider this song grunge. But this is all part of the fun, I think. I think this is all part of the fun when we get to this. But who will I begin with? Is it okay if I begin with you, Roddy? Sure, yeah.

And we didn't talk about this beforehand, but I like to have my production meetings on the recording. Do you have any words you want to say before I kick it out, or do I just play it and then bring it down, and then we talk about it? Let's do that. The latter. Sold. Okay.

So we're kicking out Grunge Jams. Roddy Colmer, new single, comes out next week. You heard it here first. It's awesome. Here's the first grunge song picked by, I'm going to make sure, because you both picked the same band first. I have to make sure I have the right ones.

Hold on here. Hold on here. So Roddy, okay. I'm all organized now. Okay, here we go. guitar solo If this isn't what you see Doesn't make you cry If this doesn't make you feel Doesn't make you die

We're in the time We're in the time If you don't want to be saved If you don't want to be seen You don't have to hide If you don't want to believe You don't have to try You will have the time To feel alive To feel alive

Alive in the super unknown Alive in the super unknown Those fucking vocals, man, if I may. Bringing me right back. He always was, I think, the best vocalist in the grunge scene. Oh, yeah. I think so, too. He always was, I think, the best vocalist in the grunge scene. Oh, yeah. I think so, too. So powerful. All right.

Super Unknown by Soundgarden. That was like an alternate version. You know what? Is it normally that long before the chorus? No, it's a little bit shorter. That sounds like an alternate take or something. Yeah. Still very cool, though.

Very great. But that might be like a demo or something. Yeah. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah, because in the cans, I was anticipating chorus, and then it wasn't there. And I'm like, oh, what did I pick?

But this is typical. I'll pick a different version. But, okay, talk to me about Soundgarden, man. Like, just talk. What a great band. Oh, amazing. And the fact that they're not in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is unbelievable.

They should have been the first. Wait, wait, wait. Is that right? Yeah. The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is unbelievable. They should have been the first. Wait, wait, wait. Is that right? Yeah. The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame sucks, though. There's so many omissions in that hall that are just criminal. Soundgarden being one of them. Foo Fighters got in today before Soundgarden got in.

So give me, is there other, what are other notable, because I don't really keep track of who's in these. It's not like I keep track only of the Baseball Hall of Fame. But tell me, what are notable snubs? Well, you could say Soundgarden for sure. Smashing Pumpkins aren't in there. We definitely should be. Soundgarden before, I think Soundgarden before Pumpkins.

Soundgarden should have been the first Seattle band in there, I think. Yeah, of course. Bands like Judas Priest aren't in there. I got a list here. I look at this often and get very upset. Yeah. I guess, like, okay, so, like, this is the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. How do you not have bands like Soundgarden, Steppenwolf, Stone Temple Pilots are not in there?

You know, even, like, different genres. Wu-Tang Clan's not in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Duran Duran is not in there. You know, you have Blue Oyster Cult has been snubbed 24 years now. Alice in Chains. Jethro Tull, I think, is not. Yeah, Bad Company, Jethro Tull. Alice in Chains, too.

Yeah, that's great. Faith No More. How famous do you have to be? Kool and the Gang? Mariah Carey? What are your qualifications here? Yeah. To not be in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame or be in there when you have...

But, you know, of all those names, I don't think a snub upsets me as much as this one. Soundgarden. So thanks for riling me up, man. And I think you could ask any other Seattle band and they would say they would feel almost embarrassed to get in before Soundgarden. Because they almost predate grunge. Like they almost invent grunge, right? Because they were on the scene late 80s. Yeah.

And listen, a lot of what I just said might be outside the genre, but like the Guess Who? Not in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame? How do you do that? Yeah. April fucking wine? Yeah. But I think, how do you do that? Yeah. And April fucking wine. Yeah. But I think, uh,

yeah, you're right. They did. I think Nirvana, big dumb sex. I think like songs like that are pre, like if you think before bad motor finger, uh,

which was the first disc I bought from them because I fucking love Jesus Christ pose. Oh yeah. Amazing. Still blows my mind, but, uh, great tune.

Well, yeah, they, they were, they were, they were right there at the start, kind of with the pioneers with mother love bone. And I think mud honey was one of the early ones and all those, but now like there is no Pearl jam without Chris Cornell,

right? Like bringing those guys together and temple of dog, right? Yeah. Right. Well, that's right. Uh,

it's, and so Andrew would overdoses and then the,oses, and then they put together the rest of, I almost said Green River, but it's Mother Love Bone, right? That's Andrew Wood's band. So Mother Love Bone plus Cornell, and they bring this surfer dude from San Diego in who sent that demo in, and that's Temple the Dog, right? That's right, yeah.

And then we have Pearl Jam comes out of that. Wild. Like, how do you not put him in there? Like, you don't have. Bullshit. This is bullshit. That's right And then we have Pearl Jam comes out of that How do you not put him in there? Bullshit Temple of the Dog should be in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Just for that album That album is perfect You still play Hunger Strike

On 102.1 The Edge As much as I can I've been to so many Cornell concerts And just It's losing him to be honest with you. Actually, hold your, because I'm going to play your first. Great. And then I want to hear more about, you know,

the sad loss of Chris Cornell. Is it a coincidence that you both led off of the same band? Is that a coincidence? We talk about Cornell once a week, probably. And how come none of you are kicking out any Temple of the Dog today? Yeah, I thought we had enough Soundgarden and Pearl Jam in there to cover it. It takes you right back, eh? It's like a time machine. Wow.

The time signature in this song is really weird. I hope the same as any other day Except a voice was in my head Said seize the day Pull the trigger, drop the blade And watch the rolling hands The day I tried to live I stole a thousand layers, changed and gave it to the past The day I tried to win

I came from the bottom So I left them all astray Yeah Say it one more time around One more time around One more time around One more time around I feel like no one man should have all that talent and look like he did. I feel like he was a robot or something. I'm with you.

If you're going to sound that good, then look like Meatloaf or something. Not only that, his talent in lyrics and composition was insane too. So put all that together, I can't even understand it almost. A song like this, what always fascinated me with this tune is the fact that like, it sounds almost impossible to cover. Like he goes so hard in the pre-chorus and hits notes in effort. You just, you couldn't replicate. And I don't know who could.

And then later on in Cornell's career, he goes on to start essentially building a collection of covers. Yes. And one of the greatest... Billie Jean. Yes, Billie Jean. He covers Prince. He did this at SiriusXM. It was a live performance. One of the greatest covers of all time when he does Prince's

Nothing Compares to You in a small room at a SiriusXM building somewhere right yeah you know like in in just like the the theme of these songs like this is a guy who was haunted by his demons and sang about them often right and this song in particular uh is you know even though the lyrics appear to be grim there's so much hope in them. Like, he's trying to become better. This is the day he tried to live. And there's all these themes there

that he wrestled with his entire life. And I just find him such a fascinating artist. And really, like, we lost a gift to the world when we lost Cornell. We actually, it's funny you mentioned that covering this song. When my last band, Most Non-Heinous, we had started a cover of this song

when my friend who was in the band had passed away. But this was going to be our next release. This is your Moby Dick, though. Do you know what I mean? When you cover a song like this, it's... Yeah. It would have taken us a couple of months to do it. Yeah.

But we had already started it. But yeah, we're tackling it as like a mountain we're gonna climb this mountain to try to cover this tune yeah shout out to jay in the literary reference though i am it my name is ishmael i am ishmael like this guy dropping them won't be dick good for you buddy yeah this would be your white whale he loves dick-related metaphors. I have a collection of dick metaphors. Piss dicks. What were you saying there? So, shockingly, to hear he took his own life,

how long ago? I'm trying to think because I know... It was a couple of years. And then you got the tragedy on a tragedy in a sense because it's Bennington, right? Chester Bennington, he takes his own life like on Cornell's birthday or something. And they were close friends too.

Like, yeah. Yeah. Oh my gosh. And Chester's another guy who sang a lot about suicide and, and taking his life as Cornell did, right? Yeah. He had that same kind of powerful vocal delivery that Cornell did. They were both like, so, such impactful vocalists like can't you can't duplicate duplicate that but now i'm thinking of all the the greats we've lost in the grunge world

like uh we gotta take care of eddie because eddie's still still doing fine eddie vetter but like we've lost i mean from lane staley kirk cobain like you can run down the list yeah the grunge scott wyland yeah there's a track on the last Pearl Jam album where, you know, Eddie sings essentially about losing his pal Chris. And such a powerful tune, the lyrics, such a long song as well.

Yeah, Comes Then Goes. You know that song from Temple of the Dog album, which I loved, but they have that song, Say Hello to Heaven. Yeah. And still, I mean, this is right in my wheelhouse. I think we're all, is it fair to say we're all mid-40s? I know Jay's in mid-20s, maybe.

Is anyone here under 40? I am. I'm 36. I just hit it. You know what? I just hit it. You look terrible. No, you look great. I don't know. At some point, you just assume everybody's your age and you realize these people are like 15 years younger than me. That's not even close, but.

Yeah, I was like early teenager when the grunge thing happened. Because in 91, if you think of 91, when like Nevermind and 10 drop, I'm like 16. Like it's almost like I was like built to be into this scene because that scene that, you know, that's around when you're like 16, 17, 18, that holds onto you forever.

That's why people like humble Howard, uh, get so excited when you tell them, you know, you can talk to the guy from April wine because like that was his scene when he was like 16 is April wine. And it doesn't matter how, whenever you're 65,

whatever that music takes you right back. That's the stuff that's imprinted in you, like in your DNA. It's just wild. All right, man. Second jam for Roddy. guitar solo Since I had a crash of talk All the events This life's got on me Picture a cup

In the middle of the sea And I'm back in my mind And everything Light out I got memories Never let me lie down I got memories, I got shit So much it don't show I wonder why Will you help me in the night I know it's cold. I got in, but it's really I got shit, right?

Yeah, that's right. Man, so I guess I wonder how you choose one Pearl Jam song. Like, is it just whatever mood you're in when you make the list? Yeah, and I like this one because it has Neil Young playing guitar on it, and the chorus is, like, super grungy, the pre-chorus, and it just has kind of that grunge vibe. But I love this tune. I remember when I first time hearing it.

It was just after Vitalogy, when they made that Mirrorball album with Neil Young, and then Pearl Jam played out two extra tunes that Eddie had sang on, and this was one of them. And, yeah, I love it. I think it's a really beautiful tune. Another guy who can just, like, tear your heart out with his singing. Yeah, yeah.

Like, his live performances. We went to a Pearl Jam concert. And, like, it's unbelievable how good he is live for like three hours. Yeah. At this point in his career and the age he's at. That he can still hit every note. Go hard. And like go to a Pearl Jam concert.

They don't mess around. They play what you want to hear. You don't leave that show. Yeah, you get even flow. You get even flow. You're going to hear Black. You're going to hear those songs. And you'll also hear weird tunes like B-side.

Well, it's such a massive catalog. Yeah, they can do that. They'll give you the stuff, but you're going to get some interesting shit. I used to be a huge Smashing Pumpkins fan until I saw them in concert, Massey, all years ago. And Billy, most of the time, played Pink Floyd covers. Yeah, you know what? I got to say, I had a similar experience with Smashing Pumpkins where I saw them

at their farewell tour in 2000. It was Somersault at Molson Park. And they really disappointed me. Like, I thought they were terrible. But then I saw them again, like, I don't know

what we're looking back now, five years ago at the Scotiabank Arena or whatever it's called now. And they fucking killed. It was like a different, it was like, what the hell? Suddenly they played everything.

They were, it was. That's the problem with them is they can kill it, but they don't want to sometimes. Right. Right? Like sometimes you go to Pearl Jam. It's a band I think, other than the hip, maybe I've got to check my records.

It might be the band I've seen the most times live, Pearl Jam. Yeah, me too. Always give it. Do you have a favorite Pearl Jam show that you saw live? Yeah, Buffalo 2003. That's the best concert I've ever seen. I've been to four Pearl Jam concerts. The one I liked the most was the last one Roddy and I went to

because that was the only one I've gone to sober. Well, he was on your shoulders. You put him on your shoulders. Yes, on top of his shoulders. But I would get so stoked to see Pearl Jam that I'd get wasted. I did that too. I've been to see Pearl Jam that I'd get wasted. Right. I did that too. And never, I've only, I've been to four Pearl Jam shows and only had my eyes open one time when Black was playing. So, the last one.

Yeah. Oh, man. Such a good band. And I'm so, like, think of it, we're kicking out the grunge and so far we've heard from Soundgarden and Pearl Jam. Like, it just, although there is a noticeable omission in your list, but we'll get to that at the end. There's a noticeable omission,

but let, okay, here's a controversial, controversial, controversial, I forgot how to talk, selection here by Jay, but let's kick it big jam and then we'll talk about it. All I can say is that my life is pretty plain

I like watching the puddles gather rain And all I can do Is just pour some tea for two And speak my point of view But it's not sane It's not the same. I like to keep my cheeks dry today. So stay with me and I'll have it made. And I don't understand why. It's a good song for today, too, because I will say no rain today, man.

This sky is blue. Beautiful day for this, man. I can't believe it, man. This feels like normal times. I got a couple of buds in the backyard. You got your beer. You got the great jams going in the headphones. This is amazing, man. I can't believe it, man. This feels like normal times. I got a couple of buds in the backyard. You got your beer. You got the great jams going in the headphones. This is amazing, man. I'm so glad you guys are here. Thank you for having us.

Oh, and before I forget, Roddy, thanks for bringing your headphones. I can't believe I killed two pairs yesterday. I was down to my final two pairs. I'm like, what are the odds my first episode of the year where I need three pairs of headphones would happen the day after I killed my headphones? So thanks for bringing your headphones. All right, why this fantastic song by Blind Melon?

And is it grunge? I believe it's a grunge tune, in my opinion. I know it's a little bit, it's probably alt, but when you consider the... Melodic grunge, kind of? Like, you've got to consider the song, right? So mostly this was credited to the bassist brad smith who was writing a tune initially he said it was about his girlfriend at the time

who's suffering with depression couldn't get out of bed he later goes on to realize that when he was being honest with himself he was writing this song about himself and his own depression you just have the themes of grunge. This is a song about someone going through depression. You know, there's a lot of, there's the dark themes, there's the whole band, again, Wine Melon being a grunge band, the history, the tragedy behind it. But that begs the question, what is grunge?

And it is not, you're right, it's very subjective. Sometimes it's difficult to define these uh sub genres or whatever but is the grunge in the spirit of the content or in the sound in the headphones i would say it's a combination and just sort of that energy of that time where that music was kind of made and it has a certain kind of energy and feel that hasn't really been duplicated. Like, Rock at this time in 1993, when the song comes out, is more earnest and honest, right?

Whereas this is a song that is upbeat, but also dark in the sense that it's about a person going through the depths of depression and not being able to leave their bed. Like, that's, to me, what makes it grunge as opposed to, like, a rock track. Yeah. Like that's to me what makes it grunge as opposed to like a rock track. Yeah. But now I,

to apologize to Cam Gordon, if this is grunge, then I think soul asylum is grunge. Yeah, you're right. Yeah. I think we're figuring it out as we talk about this. But Shannon Hoon,

of course, also succumbed to addiction issues and overdosed on heroin, man. So I don't know, not my business, medical things, but Roddy, avoid as much heroin as you can, man. I on heroin, man. So I don't know. Not my business, medical things. But Roddy, avoid as much heroin as you can, man. I'm trying, man. It looks like a lot of fun.

But so far, I've avoided it. Okay. It's bad news, man. We've learned nothing else. I'm kidding. It's terrible. I've lost people from that and stuff. And yeah, it's brutal.

Like Lane Staley. they didn't find him for days after he passed away that's a real sad one it's fucking tragic and Needle and Damage Done that's a great Neil Young song too I saw Eddie Vedder I saw Pearl Jam once in concert and they performed I know this is two songs ago but they performed

I Got Shit, I Got Id and he said he was just copying Cinnamon Girl. I remember that. I was there. He played it, yeah. And then I bought the, that's when you could buy the official bootlegs.

So I buy the bootleg. That part was gone. Like they edited it out. Yeah. And I really wanted to hear that part again where he takes his guitar and shows, this is Cinnamon Girl. This is I Got Id.

Probably not great for rights purposes, right? To just have that on the album. Like, I stole this song. Neil's got enough money. He decided there. Okay. Love it. No rain. All right. You ready for your third jam, Roddy? Sure. I bet we live, I bet we sleep Making love and I become you

Flesh is warm, we'll make it be Stepping forward you'd become me Oh, my baby Oh, my baby Pick a song and sing a yellow nectar rain a yellow that you made take a

bath I'll drink the water that you made if you should die before me

ask if you could bring a friend pick a flower hold your friend

and drift away that line always got me that if you should die before me, ask if you could bring a friend. I know, I was just going to say that too. All right, so of course this is Stone Temple Pilots, Still Remains. Yeah, super powerful song and so melodic. Yeah, I was a fan, especially this album,

I thought was just another one of those perfect albums. Purple, right? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, fantastic., especially this album, I thought was just another one of those perfect albums. Purple, right? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, fantastic. There's a few, there's more than a few. There's a bunch of those perfect albums that came out from like 90 to 95 kind of thing. It's just like no skips. The more you listen, the more you like the songs that aren't the singles like this one.

Right. And yeah, same with that Super Unknown. It's like I could have thrown a dart at the track list on the wall and any would have been a good choice. Same with this album. So yeah, I just always was kind of attracted to this tune more than any other on this album for whatever reason. Just the melodies. I find it so kind of powerful.

And they got a bit of a hard rap when they first came out with um what was the yes because it sounded a bit like pearl jam yeah and a bunch of bands kind of sounded like that but these guys were there was a lot of kind of one hit wonder bands that sounded a bit like pearl jam but these guys had a lot of kind of more depth to them, obviously, and they lasted a long time. No argument here. I went and I saw, I think I only saw them a few times, but the funny thing is that was a band where I always would go to see Stone Temple Pilots, but they were rarely like the headliner.

I saw them, the aforementioned Linkin Park. Yeah. I saw them open for Linkin Park. Yeah. And I think he was late because I think I read somewhere like Scott kind of pissed off they're not the headliners maybe or something but i also saw in 03 i saw at most an amphitheater i saw these guys open for red hot chili peppers like i kept you know it's like what does it take to be a headliner around here like fuck and then didn't chester after before he passed chester bennington took over stunt

that's right oh yeah. For a brief bit. Yeah, I forgot about that. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. But, and fucking great, yeah. So, I think the first, I think most of us, the first single,

well, it depends where you were listening, but that, from that core album, Plush was the big one anyways, and that was the one that they said was a bit Eddie,

but I fucking loved it the first time I heard it. Oh, yeah. Fantastic. It's tough. Everyone sounded a little bit like Eddie back in those days. I know, poor Scott.

You know, like Creed, Stained, like those bands would not be around if it wasn't for Pearl Jam. Oh, yeah, Creed for sure. You know what? Eddie even sounded like Eddie in that time. Like I'm saying his voice kind of, his voice evolved.

You're right, he did. His voice evolved a bit, yeah. You're absolutely right. By the way, his ukulele album, Eddie Vedder, ukulele album, Eddie Vedder ukulele songs, one of the greatest albums. What was the tour when Eddie would open for himself? He'd come out and do a ukulele thing

and then they'd have the opening band like Sleater-Kinney. Yeah, he would do that a lot. That was cool because he's like, hey, come and see me for one song so you could check out the opening band. That's pretty awesome. Like A Man Will Soon Forget or something like that. Fucking amazing. So if I look at this now, okay, so Chris Cornell is no longer with us.

Shannon Hoon's no longer with us. Scott Weiland's no longer with us. But thankfully, this gentleman is still with us. Hold on to the thread The currents will shift

Glide me towards you Who knows something's left And we're all allowed To dream of the next time we do Ooh, ooh, ooh Ooh, ooh, ooh You don't have to stray I don't want to interrupt Eddie here, holy shit, but this is your third jam, Jay, Oceans, from 10.

I remember picking up 10, you know, as a young guy because of, you know, Evenflow, Alive, Jeremy, and then hearing Oceans for the first time. Blown away, right? Like, just a song. It's got, like, it chugs along more like a traditional rock song. It's kind of almost got, like, a U2 riff in there. A little bit of a, like, more of a rock vibe

and such an interesting anthem on this album yeah powerful it's kind of like a dreamy song in the middle of like an aggressive yeah that word i can't say utheral let's do it yeah and it's listen it's a beautiful it's a beautiful tune for these days where it's about two lovers that are essentially oceans apart. They're far away from each other, unable to be together. And at live shows,

sometimes he, like at the end, he'll sing, Oh Beth, about his wife. He'll change the lyrics. Yeah, yeah. Beth Orden, right?

Yes, yes. Back in the day. So... I love thinking about them recording this record too because it was done so quickly. And it's just such a like legendary

you mentioned the playthroughs this was a playthrough every fucking jam was great from Release Me it was all good I think this one I read because I have read everything possible on Pearl Jam that I can I think he was locked outside the studio and they were kind of jamming to it

and he could just mostly hear the bass part which is a really cool part of the song. And he just wrote while he was locked out and then kind of walked in the room and started singing to the bass part that he could hear through the walls. Wow. Yeah, kind of cool.

Way cool. I was surprised by that choice, actually, just because there's so many. Obviously, I love almost every pearl jam song but i i thought you were gonna pick like a more harder like black or something you just even just a more aggressive tune so like that track listing you go once even flow alive why go black jeremy and i just remember growing up listening like i just heard jeremy jeremy so like the first six songs are basically singles Why Goes Real Quick

And this was the first song I listened to from Pearl Jam That was really not a single And it just hit me Because when I picked up this album I was kind of sick of Evenflow I was sick of a live I was done with it

This was one of those Columbia record house deals where you buy 13 CDs, you pay for one. Dude, I did that more than once. Are you kidding me? And this was one of those Columbia records I had because I had to pick 13, and I got to Oceans, and that was it. I was a Pearl Jam fan forever.

It did show a bit more depth in their kind of songwriting and musicality, that tune. Yeah, especially when you've only heard the singles, right? At this point, I've only heard Even Flow, Alive, Black. Right. I used to go to the back of like Hit Parader and those magazines and order like the $70 bootlegs of Pearl Jam. Wow.

That's a commitment. $70, $80. I don't actually think, I don't believe Black was ever released as an official single. I just think Stations just played the fucker. They actually did it on purpose. Eddie said, we can't release this

because it'll make us too popular. That's why they stopped making videos, right? Yeah. Although there is a video for Oceans. I've seen it. They're like surfing or something. That's right. It was a single.

Oceans was a single. Yeah, right. Right, right, right. I think that might be until Do The Evolution. That might be your last program video. Yeah, they did

a whole whack of shit to sort of suppress their fame. They weren't particularly successful at doing that. Can you imagine that? Like, better not get too famous.

Well, that's the lowest of the low story, okay? Lowest of the low did several things to suppress their fame. Didn't do the videos, a whole bunch of shit because they, you know,

the mentality that they were like punk is this punk mentality. And they, they got what they kind of asked for, which is that they're everybody who loves them, loves them a lot. But it's, you know, yeah.

You know, I don't know if you still play them on one or two point when they had, you sure did back in my day. I got to tell you before we move on from Eddie Vedder, the thing I love about Eddie so much is how much he puts on for his city. When he made that Cubs song, I can't remember the name. Next year we'll go all the way. Just the most beautiful.

It's not like they win the championship, and then he puts out championship songs. No, no, he made that before they won. They were getting the shit kicked out of them. And he would go and he put out this song that unified the fan base. Yes. Like, the first time I heard it made me cry. I'm not even a Cubs fan.

And then you see this guy occasionally the season after that song comes out fucking busking outside of this stadium with like a ball cap outside of wrigley field and it wrigley feels just with an acoustic guitar busking can you imagine you're like shit-faced in chicago you're walking past a busker you're just like who's this guy also what i really liked is the night that uh the night that gore downey and the tragically hip had their last concert ever in Kingston. I think it was like, when was it? Late August 2016 or whatever.

I think there was a concert at Wrigley Field with Pearl Jam. And I know he acknowledged it. He said, I want to give some love to Gord Downie and the Hip. I thought that was a cool gesture considering most of the people at Wrigley Field weren't going to know who the fuck he was talking about. Well, they both used Adam Casper as a... Boom. That's Boom, right?

No, no. No? His name's Casper too, but Adam Casper is an engineer, a producer who actually worked on Super Unknown and Pearl Jam's Avocado record, and he did one of the Hips records. Do you know which one, by the way, or am I putting you on the spot? I can't remember, but it's probably an easy Google. Yeah. I think Eddie had met, um, Eddie had met Gord through Adam Casper, if I'm remembering the story right. So yeah, that's why he kind of had that friendship. I think that's a, that's a good insight right there. That's why you're here, buddy. Okay. And

oh, fucking, I love this song here. I got to kick it over for you right now, Roddy. guitar solo My pain Your self-chosen, at least so the prophet says. I could either burn Or cut off my pride and buy some time A head full of lies is the way to die to my waist The river of deceit pulls down The only

direction before was down Down Oh down The only direction we fall is down. Down, oh down. Down, oh down. It's a beautiful tune. That's another haunting lyric there, that whole my pain is self-chosen.

Yeah, there's a lot of great lines in this song. I initially thought this was Bob Seger's Like a Rock. Is that grunge? It's not crutched off. That might be grunge. Sounded a little bit like it at the beginning. All I think of now is, like, I don't know whether it was Chevy or whatever, whatever car company that song was used for the ad campaign.

Ford was great. Yeah, maybe it's Ford, something out of Detroit. But fucking well done. I thought, you know, there's no Alice in Chains in the mix, but this will do. We get some Lane. I was going to pick an Alice in Chains song, but then I thought this one

was a more interesting choice just because I feel like this album kind of gave Lane a bit more room to kind of show his talents as a poet and as a vocalist um because obviously the allison chain stuff's super heavy and and grungy but this one right there's a lot of delicate moments on this record and um i just think it it's another one like front to back i can play the whole thing and um mccready's also really great on this like he's He's actually one of my favorite writers in Pearl Jam.

A lot of his Pearl Jam songs are super melodic, like Faithful and Yellow Lead Better, and a bunch that he's written are Given to Fly. I think Led Zeppelin wrote Given to Fly. Maybe. He borrowed a little bit. That's all right. But yeah, I have always been affected by this tune. I've heard it a thousand times, and every time it kind of stops me,

and I pay attention. I'm with you 100%. Yeah. And knowing how Lane's life ends so early, this song really haunts you, because he's basically coming clean. I'm an addict. Nutshell is the same, too, that tune.

And it's just super personal, and he just kind of puts it forth in this way That's like there's So poetic and Kind of takes you into his world That was kind of this dark place And if we haven't mentioned yet the project Was called Mad Season of course

This is River of Deceit Inspired choice Roddy Kuhlman Thank you By the way it was In Between Evolution was the Adam Casper produced Tragically Hippocampus. Oh, cool, yeah. I Googled it, everybody. And I talked off the top about how

of the 10 songs I'm going to play, I felt one was rather controversial. That one's coming up next. So brace yourself there, Jay. I'm going to pounce on you. Fantastic. As if you can be wrong. It's all subjective.

But here it is. Toronto mic mashup. Ha, ha, ha. Woo! bass solo Look in my eyes What do you see? The culture personality I know your anger

I know your dreams I've been everything you wanna be I'm the culture personality Like Mussolini And Kennedy I love that they spell color the Canadian way too. Okay, so this song, I guess, listen, not traditional punk. I love that they spell color the Canadian way, too. In the name of color. Okay, so this song, I guess, listen, not traditional punk. 1988, probably before the punk era. But I always think about, like, what's...

Oh, you mean grunge. Grunge, sorry. What starts off grunge? Is it a tune like this? Like, this one wins hard rock awards. But you listen to it, and I just feel like this is kind of where punk starts. Just like Grunge. Sorry, Grunge.

That's the third time you called it punk. You know what? I'm thinking of a wrestler who used this as his theme song, CM Punk. Oh, that's funny. WWE superstar back in the day would come out to this song. That's where he starts wrestling, this song. Yes. Vernon Reed, right?

That's the guy from Living Color here. Also, such a grunge start. Like, they didn't even mean to. Like, this song came about by accident. I believe that they were in the studio, like, working on something else. And this riff was improvised. Sorry, this riff was improvised sorry this riff was improvised during a rehearsal for a show they were gonna do and they're just messing around and then they hit this riff while they're jamming while they're rehearsing and it quickly becomes a song

wow i could you know yeah when you started playing the song i, okay, I don't know if this is really grunge. But then I imagine that riff on Super Unknown or something and Cornell singing over it. And it would probably fit. You know what I mean? My ears, and I'm the least musical of the three of us here, but my ears here just sort of you're straight up like it's just a rock song. It's got a hard edge to it. I like it. But I don't have the grunge sound in there. It might as well be, I don't know, the Black Crows or whatever.

You know what I mean? It's more grungy than Black Crows, I think, for sure. The more I listen to it, actually, the more I agree with Jay. Okay, well, let me ask you about a different song, an adjacent song. Let's say Epic by Faith No More. Is that grunge? I don't know. I'll sing it for you.

I don't know. What a debate. I love it. I love i love it you know what if you think this is grunge who am i to tell you you're wrong i just think like you have chuck berry's the godfather of rock and roll and if you would listen to some chuck berry tracks you would immediately go like is this rock and roll right but he literally started rock and roll. Barry inspired so many musicians who created this rock genre. I just kind of think that this particular song in 1988 was so powerful and inspired other artists, I imagine. This song is an evolution. Actually, this song is kind of a bridge from 80s rock to grunge. Okay, okay.

I can buy that. Listen, it's 1988, but you wouldn't imagine that. Just hearing it, it doesn't sound like late, to me anyway, it doesn't sound like a late 80s rock track. It was ahead of its time. Definitely, right? You could hear this. Like the Violent Femmes.

Yes. I always hear them and I think, what do you mean this is 83? Exactly. My ears say say that's not 83 That might be 93 So I did put this in I know it was controversial Well you know you gotta be a little controversial That's how you get the ears

I'm gonna be pitching I'm gonna be like You won't believe what Jay Brody played as Grunge Bay City Rollers The Carpenters Bob Seger Well Sonic Youth Do have that nice cover

Of the Carpenters But Fucking love Hearing the song again too It's a great song Whether it's grunge or not It's up for debate But you made a good case there

And you got You know you got Roddy sold You got me bro He's the musician On the deck here Yeah It's such a great tune right Yeah

Fantastic Amazing Alright Funny how you guys Each pick five jams the deck here. Yeah, it's such a great tune, right? Yeah, fantastic. Alright, funny how you guys each pick five jams and there's a couple of artists that you both pick. I think that's wild. But Rod, are you ready for your final jam? Yeah, I'm ready. Let's do it. No time for me What I need to do today Here at the yellow house

I think that I'm gonna play With some free living lands down the street. A ways away. Hey, hey, hey As I feel the moon rise The time it all feels the right time Here in our sleepy house As our white light blows away The candle flickers at me And I say The candle flickers at me And in my head I saw not pray

Are you feeling fine? As I was a little child And I'm feeling better when I'm high Yeah, I wonder why I'm shining on the moon What a song. Do you know that tune, Jay? No. Yeah, do you like it?

It's beautiful. Is it grunge? Is it grunge, Jay? I believe this is a grunge tune. It sounds grunge. Yeah, do you like it? It's beautiful. Is it grunge? Is it grunge, Jay? I believe this is a grunge tune. It sounds grunge. Yeah, I love it. It's so melodic, and the parts are so interesting, and the structure's kind of weird.

It doesn't really have a proper chorus, but it all just works. Yeah, you never know where to fade on this one. Yeah. And his vocals are just so fantastic. I don't even know what he's saying, really. I just love the melody

and yeah, I think this was a real kind of, it shined a spotlight on how good that Shannon Hoon was. Good enough to do background vocals

on Don't Cry from Use Your Illusion. Another great artist lost, right? Like, such an interesting vocalist. Yeah. All these guys have such distinct vocals and so, like, strong and unique and talented.

It was a pretty amazing time for music. We didn't include Smashing Pumpkins because they're still mad at them for that Massey Hall concert I went to. You bring that up a lot, actually. I'll never forget going to that show where they literally just jammed the whole time. Yeah, you couldn't recognize. Yeah, but this sounds like my 2000 experience where I was pissed at Smashing Pumpkins literally for decades.

I had the same experience. And then they redeemed themselves. I went. Fuck Billy Corgan. Honestly, fuck Billy Corgan. I was there. And I'll never forget Massey Hall. They wouldn't serve booze

Right So I'm like Listening to them jam And I can tell I'm not a musician But I can tell the difference Between a solo And these guys

Are just trying to figure out What the fuck's going on Noodling They're noodling Massey Hall Doesn't serve booze During the show I went across the street

To the diner Ordered two double gin and tonics, smashed them basically standing up, went back to the show, as you could do in In-N-Out back then, still doing the same song. They should have a no noodling sign at Mazzy Hall.

That shouldn't be allowed there. They brought up a fan at the end of the concert. I'll never forget this and this was it for me and the Pumpkins. Fan comes on the stage. Billy invites him up. And he's like, I spent the concert, I'll never forget this, and this was it for me and the Pumpkins. A fan comes on the stage. Billy invites him up. And he's like, I spent my last, I only have $30 in the world, and I spent it on this ticket. And I bust down and took a greyhound from Waterloo,

and I have no way of getting home. But I love this band, and I don't give a shit. Billy, play Butterfly Wings. I fucking love you. And he jumps off the stage into the crowd. And all this like, Billy goes like this. We play what we want. And then like

goes into some Neil Young fucking cover. I was like, god damn it. Oh, wow. So mad. Fuck Billy Corgan. Sorry, the point was, what an interesting vocalist, right? You listen to Billy. Yeah.

So distinct, yeah. So distinct. Do you cover a Smashing Pumpkins song, Roddy, as a musician? Like, how do you do it? I haven't tried, no. I probably wouldn't do it. Like, if you were to do today. Do it right now.

Go do it right now. Today. You got to get that whining. Do you have to do the whining, right? Like, can anyone else pull that off? Yeah. His voice is actually weird that it worked. Because if you just hear it by itself, you'd be like,

that guy can't be the lead singer in a band. It's weird. But then you put it in one of the songs, you're like, okay, I get it now. You go online sometimes, you find the acapella tracks where you just hear the vocalist. I feel if you did that with Billy, you'd be like, what the what am i listening to what is this all right so so speaking of omissions though so fine we no smashing pumpkins but i'm about to play your final jam uh jay brody and neither of you two picked a nirvana song yeah i was never a huge nirvana fan actually they didn't

hit me as hard as like pearl jam or Soundgarden or Alice in Chains. Although I think Kurt was a genius and I think his songwriting was amazing. But I never bought a Nirvana album aside from Unplugged. That's interesting.

So you didn't buy Nevermind in utero. None of them. Wow. I would have lost a bar bet on that one. Okay, what about you, Jay? I mean, songs like Lithium kick ass, right? Just no room on the list. That's great, but I'm saying there's no room on the list. In my opinion, Nirvana, iconic band,

but I don't think that neither... Listen, it works, right? I don't think the vocals were... His vocals weren't remarkable. They were great, right? But don't think the vocals were, his vocals weren't remarkable. They were great, right? But they weren't like as powerful as like a Cornell or a Vedder. And the instrumentals, like the music, again, like simple three-chord structure in a lot of those songs, very powerful, not significant in my opinion.

They're kind of like Green Day in that sense, where Green Day plays like simple tunes. Billy's got simple vocals. It works, but for me, as far as grunge, I think there's so much talent that I was kind of drawn to. Now I'm going to segue to the intro here to say that Nirvana

was snubbed, but this band was not, which I find interesting. So here is Jay Brody's final jam. We'll be right back. guitar solo Love and hate, get it wrong She cut me right back down the sides Sleep to die, let it fade Who was there to take your place? No one knows, never will

Mostly me, but mostly you Do you say, do you do When it all comes down Cause I don't wanna come back down from this cloud It's taken me all this time to find out what I need I don't wanna come back down from this cloud Yeah, what a great tune. You know what I noticed about a few of his songs on this list? This one, Day I Tried to Live, and the Mad Season tune,

is that they take their time on the intro, and they're all singles, and Radio played them with those long intros, which is kind of crazy. Radio loves this. Like, I could do the time, the weather. I could tell you a major story and then hit the post. But singles aren't like that anymore. No.

Don't bore us, get to the chorus, right? For sure, yeah. But I got us, get to the chorus, right? For sure, yeah. But I got to say, I love Bush, okay? Yeah. I had this back, yeah. So I had it when they were Bush before they had to be Bush X, and then they eventually went back to Bush. So I got this really early, and I fucking love 16 Stone, I think it's called.

Fucking amazing. But, like, it's strange to hear Bush kicked out on the grunge episode and not Nirvana because, I mean, it is strange. You'll admit it's strange to hear bush kicked out on the grunge episode of non-ruvana because i mean it is strange you'll admit it's strange i get it like i'm like listen no judgment here man listen i love this song like it's significant to this band right this is the first song gavin wrote by himself gave him confidence as a songwriter i do love the whole this is essentially i do like when a song sounds like something else but means something else. Like, this is a song that sounds like a love song that's essentially about his heroin addiction.

Right? I don't want to come down from this place, like from this high. He's singing, and the video's got tubes and needles. It sounds like a love song. It's kind of why I like Third Eye Blind, Semi-Charmed Life. A song that's got, it's upbeat, and it's about men. It like third eye blind semi-charmed life a song that's got it's upbeat and it's about mech it's about being hooked on mech this song as far as a single performance goes uh you know i gotta love a lot of nirvana but there's something about hearing this song for

the first time it also bridges a gap between rock and grunge in my opinion too like i don't know there's something magic about this track. I love Bush. I love growing up, like, being confused. Like, what's the name of this band? They're Bush X in Canada, but not in the States, right? Like, they had to switch the names. They went back to being Bush.

In France, they were Le Boucher. In France, they were Le Boucher. Le Boucher. So, yeah, like like I love Nirvana, but. Mike, you only gave us five picks, man.

No, I know. No judgments at all. I would have Heart Shaped Box in there or something. I'm curious though, did either of you consider Silverchair?

I did. I did. Yeah. Israel's son. But you know what was my favorite Silverchair record was, I think it was called

Young Modern. Or do you know that one? Nirvana's overrated. Is that the one with the year 2000 on it? No, it was after that. Okay. If you haven't listened to it, it's an awesome album. I will say, I like how this song ends, too.

I like this part here. Why do you, why do you, why do you, why do you, why do you Come down This sounds really good in headphones. So nice. And he's almost as handsome as Roddy. Right? I saw Gavin a few years ago performing in Burlington at a festival we were covering when I was with Y108. Got to meet him. Just still a beautiful man, by the way. Forever beautiful Gavin Rossdale. That was quite the super couple too,

Gavin Rossdale and Gwen Stefani. I always feel like this band had so much unreached potential. I feel off of that first album, I'm like, this could be one of the biggest bands of all time. But they just never seemed to follow up properly it was a strange band and that they weren't part of the brit pop thing that was happening even though they're from britain because their sound was like the american grunge sounds like so they didn't fit with their like like blur and oasis and uh manic street preachers

and they're on the tail end of grunge too so. So it's like they missed the timing of it, kind of. Gavin also had a promising acting career. He was amazing in a film called Constantine with Keanu Reeves. And I thought that would kick this guy off into superstardom. But it seemed like Gwen got super rich, and he was just like... He's playing Burlington. He's just going to relax, right? He's at a rib fest in Burlington or whatever. Gavin Rossdale.

Guys, perfect day for this. Like, this was so much fucking fun. Like, I loved this. Yeah, it's fantastic. Yeah. Thanks for having us. Thanks for bringing us together. Good luck with the new album. Oh, the new single anyways, Roddy.

That sounded really, really good. And Jay, continued success, man. Thank you. You guys are kicking ass with Howard Stern, but Jay, 102.1 the edge like you've done it man i love that you've had this success man i root for you hard buddy thank you and root for me when i attempt to eat this entire lasagna in one sitting this evening well make sure you cook it first because it'll break your teeth it's frozen i thought we weren't judging each other today jay's Jay's always up for a challenge. Don't challenge this guy. I've seen him eat a woman's underwear.

That's right. Yeah, I think we got that story last summer here. And that brings us to the end of our 847th show. You can follow me on Twitter. I'm at Toronto Mike. Okay, so Jay, you're at Jay Brody. At the Jay Brody on Twitter. T-H-E, Jay Brody on Twitter. At the T-H-E Jay Brody on Twitter.

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I know you kids like Instagram. Oh, I also have a Century Surfers, uh, new single coming out June the 4th. So look out for that. That's right. You were last here with,

uh, Jamie and the Summer. We just got, when it's safer to do so, we need Jamie, Roddy, and Jake. Oh, the big three. Oh, maybe get Shawna in there, Chris. We'll do that. That'd be awesome. I got to get more microphones for that one.

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