Toronto Mike'd: The Official Toronto Mike Podcast - Jesse Camacho: Toronto Mike'd #1153

Episode Date: November 17, 2022

In this 1153rd episode of Toronto Mike'd, Mike chats with actor Jesse Camacho about Better Than Kind, being directed by Stu Stone, growing up in an acting family, and more. Toronto Mike'd is proudly brought to you by Great Lakes Brewery, Palma Pasta, Yes, We Are Open, The Advantaged Investor, Canna Cabana, StickerYou, Ridley Funeral Home and Electronic Products Recycling Association.

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And Sammy Cone Real Estate. Ask Sammy any real estate questions at Sammy.Cone, k-o-h-n at properlyhomes.ca joining me today making his toronto mic debut is jesse camacho how you doing jesse oh very good thanks thank you so much for having me i was just reflecting on how beautiful your setup is down here well no take your time uh don't rush by that at all please jesse uh take your time uh is it a nice setup i never know like how other people's setups are i just sort of like organically became this way but is this a good setup oh this is fantastic and i can tell you that because it is uh way better than the one i have i've got one for kind of voice uh

voice auditions and stuff. And I forwarded with the idea of like a podcast thing. And yeah, this just, it makes me feel quite inept. Okay. Well, you know, so this is like necessity being the mother of invention. Shout out to, yeah. I may drop that line yesterday, actually. Zappa, Frank Zappa was with the mothers of invention. But okay. So of invention but okay so this is like uh because this is the only space left in the house like there's this one part here because the ceiling's really low here right you would have slammed your head here if you weren't careful how tall a man are you i'm uh i'm 5 10 you'd slam your head yeah you slam your head so this is like

was unused i think there was some storage stuff here. Around the corner, there's a bedroom that my 20-year-old sleeps in. Oh, yeah. And then there's the bathroom right there. And that's where the laundry stuff happens. I'm giving everybody a tour of the studio. But there's this one little spot underneath this low ceiling.

Like this one corner was left because all the rooms were filled with kids because I got the four kids and everybody needed a place to go. Anyway, so I said, okay, I guess this is where I'm going. Like I'm out of places to go and i decided to set it up here but i used to have the tables facing the other way and then over

time you make adjustments then the camera showed up and there was no camera for a long time and once the camera showed up i had to kind of reconfigure so jesse this took about 10 years to get right well i mean i think it's it's it's very efficient. It's perfect. It's efficient. And I think you've used the space really well. I would not have known that it was out of necessity. Yeah, I think you've done very, very well here.

I will be taking notes when I make a future property purchase. I like you already. I like you already. So there's some birthdays I want to acknowledge. Is it today?

Is Gordon Lightfoot's birthday today? How would you know, right, Jesse? Let me do this little Google here. Gordon Lightfoot. I'm going to hedge my best to acknowledge uh and is it today is gordon lightfoot's birthday today do you how would you know right jesse uh let me do this little google here gordon lightfoot i'm gonna hedge my best and say yes and if i feel like it might be today uh yes okay so thank you i got it right gordon lightfoot's birthday is today happy birthday he's 84 years old gordon lightfoot he wrote the song with the lyrics you can't jump a jet plane like you can a freight train am i right that you're you're you're busting out of here

and going on a on a on a train ride to montreal yeah i got a very very nice uh little gig that i'm doing over there a movie called the sapin it's a it's a french film but my stuff's all in english uh and i'm do you speak french i do a little film, but my stuff's all in English. Do you speak French? I do a little bit. I was born and raised in Montreal. I moved to Toronto about 10 years ago. I used to be fluent.

When I was between, I don't know, 9 and 12, I was perfectly bilingual. Then my math was so bad I had to go to a purely English high school and then I moved to Toronto, so now my French leaves much to be desired. I can carry on a broken conversation and understand better, but yeah, no, the language barrier for me now is very real.

Well, I'm glad you booked that gig in Montreal, your hometown, and you'll be you know, like I said, jumping on a freight train, if you will, via rail, taking it to Montreal. I'm actually doing that exact same train ride in 10 days or 9 days or something. I'm going to that exact same train ride in 10 days or nine days or something. I'm going to jump on the train at Union Station

and take it to Montreal and visit my oldest daughter who's going to McGill and she's living on campus and I'm going to go visit her. Oh, that's fantastic. I'm assuming you spent some time in Montreal. Oh yeah, well, yeah, sure. It's a great city. It's a wonderful city.

Schwartz's Deli is there. Yes, yes. And the locals like it too right it's not just us torontonians who come by and have to go to schwartz's deli yeah no no no i think uh the montreal uh the montreal inhabitants are very loyal and very protective of the city you know there's definitely you know it's got its quirks and that uh there's you know some language wars going on there but sure uh i think uh overall it's uh it's it's a it's a very beloved city by its inhabitants and the people that go visit it you are the son of actors yes could you

like can we start by talking about that so we talked of course you were born in montreal raised in montreal uh just before we get to your parents though uh how old are you when you moved to toronto when i moved to toronto I want to say I was 2013. So that's nine. I was 21, 22. Okay. Young man, leave in Montreal for Toronto. So what is it that drew you to Toronto?

Is it that there was work here or it's the biggest city in the country? What drew you here? Yeah. I was on a show that I shot out in Winnipeg called Less Than Kind. Oh, we'll get to that. Yes. I did that for four years. I'm going to get teased relentlessly

by the Vandits crew for dropping the show so soon into the interview. So I did that show. Well, that's the other birthday, but I'm going to save it for when we get to the Vandits segment because there's another birthday today, not just Gordon Lightfoot,

but we'll talk about him later. Yes, okay. Yeah, so I did that show out in Winnipeg for a couple of years and then, you know, it was like, what's the next move? Where do I go from there? And, uh, the two candidates really seemed to be, or three, I should say it was Toronto, Vancouver, LA. And you know, uh, I'm a bit of a homebody. Toronto was closest. Uh, I've spent the most time in Toronto. I had a lot of friends in Toronto, so it kind of just made it really easy. And I moved with a, with a bunch of actors. We all just kind of came together and lived in this.

Yeah, there was five of us living in this house. Who's the most successful of the five of you? Oh, that's a great question. Is that you, Jesse? I think that some of them would say me. I would say my friend Katie Lavery-Brier. She, if there's The Boys fans out there, Katie plays Cassandra, the Deep's wife uh on the boys she's

phenomenal and uh she's on a rocket ship to the moon right now so i would definitely say her um and i think i think they would all agree i would i think that they would all agree okay but you're right there jesse we'll get into it but let's talk about your parents for a moment here i pulled one credit so i went to their imdb page okay so your dad's name is mark yes he was i'm just just one credit there's many in imdb but i'm picking x-men days of future past yeah that's that's the one that i think um that that i dropped the first when people ask me because everybody knows that movie right like it's yeah and and he you know he was uh he had a nice prominent part in that he played at richard nixon uh so he was buried under a lot of prosthetics.

But it's a memorable turn. I mean, that was super cool. My sister and I got to go visit that set one day. And we were sitting right next to James McAvoy and Michael Fassbender, Peter Jackson, Peter Dinklage, Jennifer Lawrence, Nicholas Holt. And it was just like, is this real life? Like what's happening right now? But yes, yes, that was, I think that was probably my dad's favorite gig that he ever got to do as well.

All right. And not to be outdone, your mom, Pauline Little was in The Day After Tomorrow. Yes. Yeah. She had a nice little kind of walk on role in that. I think she was in the big conference with all the world leaders. Well, you know what? No one needs the details.

You just say she starred in The Day After Tomorrow. She starred in The Day After Tomorrow. You know, she's actually, she's got a great Netflix show coming out called The Recruit, starring Noah Centineo, who's kind of taken the world by storm. And that comes out, I think,

in, I don't know, January or something. But she's got a really great role in that. I'm very lucky. My parents have been exceptional inspirations for me. It sounds like you had no choice, but to get into acting. I mean, you're, you're in a family where the mom, your mom and dad are both acting and, uh, it was natural for you to do the same, I'm guessing. Yeah. I mean, you know, it's funny. Uh, a lot of people kind of think or assume that, not that there was a pressure, but that, you know, it was sort of like that was the only road. I mean, I was the driver of that bus.

I wanted to act since I kind of came out of the womb. I grew up, you know, visiting my dad and mom on set and seeing them in plays and stuff. So when I was five, I really kind of started asking. And their knee-jerk reaction was more of like, are you sure? Is this really the road you want to go down? There's a lot of rejection. I can be kind of sensitive. So, you know, there was definitely a bit of a resistance.

Oh yeah, because I mean, I talk, I mean, I feel like I'm this guy's now his official biographer, but Dean McDermott is a guy I've been talking to like a lot lately. And, you know, he'll go on so many auditions, especially now that I guess after COVID now, you don't have to go physically to a place you can like zoom in your audition so i guess it makes it easier for

you actors to do auditions and stuff anyway he's doing so many auditions and you know you hear about basically how much rejection there is like you might do 20 auditions to book a gig or whatever and i'm just making up those numbers but you really do need to have thick skin if you're going to be in this game. Yeah, and I definitely, I've had moments where the skin was not thick enough, let's put it that way. But yeah, you know, it's weird. When I was a kid, I was lucky.

I booked one of the first things I read for. I'll bring this down for you. Oh, yeah, cool. And so I think I was a little spoiled the first couple years, but I quickly learned that, you know, beginner's luck doesn't translate when you're when you're in the industry for that long well we're gonna talk this is the home of real talk i don't know if you were prepped but we're gonna get into it here yeah we're gonna do it and uh soon i'll tell you that i have been in the same room as you twice okay but we'll get to that in a moment here. So, uh, what is like your first taste of

acting? Like how do you start getting into acting? Yeah. I mean, uh, again, people have asked me this and it's, it's tricky because I did have that foot in the door with my parents. My, uh, my, my dad was sort of able when I, when I decided I wanted to be an actor, he was able to kind of hook me up with his first agent because he was so successful in Montreal. His agent was sort of like, yeah, absolutely. Let's see if we can get lightning in a bottle twice. But I would say for most people, that's just not the traditional route. I got really lucky that way. But I think the first thing I ever booked was a guest spot on a show called Big Wolf on Campus.

Okay. Which was a show in Montreal that was fairly successful. I think it was on YTV and I'd watched it and I got to go, I got to go for a day on that and that was like surreal and fun. And I just, when I was there finally being in front of the camera, not just watching, you know, my parents, I was like, oh, this feels right. This is where I want to be. Well, Big Wolf on Campus, I might have been too old for that one.

I was thinking a Teen Wolf spinoff, but no. But it sounds like YTV. I mean, that's the big leagues, YTV. Yeah, it was really, really cool. And again, it was a show that I watched, that my friends watched. It was definitely a goofier Teen Wolf, much more kind of sitcom wacky oriented than that show. Okay, so here's what we're going to do now.

I'm going to play some music, and then I'm going to read some awesome comments that came in from FOTMs when they heard you were coming over. And then we're going to talk about sort of like, I would say, the show that made Jesse Camacho famous. So, a little tune

right off the top from one of my favorite Canadian bands. Late afternoon, another day is nearly done A darker gray is breaking through a lighter one A thousand sharpened elbows in the underground That hollow hurried sound of feet on polished floor. And in the

dollar store, the clerk is closing up and counting loonies, trying not to say I hate Winnipeg. I love this song. I don't hate Winnipeg.

And I love this song, The Weaker Thans. Great song. Never heard of it. It's crazy. No, I love that song too. I know you're pulling my leg, of course. Because here, I'm going to read the comments and then we're going to get into it because a lot of people want to talk about this underappreciated but beloved television program. Okay, Terry Hart.

Now, Terry Hart's an FOTM. You're now an FOTM, Jesse. That means friend of Toronto Mike. So welcome to the family. Thank you. Terry Hart, who's coming back. So Terry Hart's coming on with Tara Sloan. who's coming back.

So Terry Hart's coming on with Tara Sloan. And I don't know why I'm putting them together other than they had an exchange on Twitter, so I figured they are friendly enough. And their names sounded similar to me, like Terry and Tara. So I'm like, I want Terry and Tara in my basement together. And it's happening. See, Jesse, you just got to imagine these things

and you can make them happen. That's how it all comes together. I'm so powerful. Okay, so Terry Hart writes in when I said Jesse was coming on the program. He's a delight. Less Than Kind was way ahead of its time. And then Mike Moniz writes in. Less Than Kind is, was an amazing show that was criminally overlooked.

Then the Produce stand writes in uh i feel less than kind deserves to be mentioned in the same breath as shows like corner gas or kim's convenience jesse let's talk oh it's it's more than kind yes see what i did there okay tell us how you got less than kind tell me anything i'm just gonna sit back and listen to you tell me all the details and everything you can about less than kind well there's a lot of fun stuff to unpack with less than kind take your time you're the one with the uh train departing the station take your time yeah so uh i'd uh i'd been acting for i think about nine years uh and i'd had some success and done some really cool projects and some fun indies and, you know, kind of had some nice juicy parts.

But then I remember getting this breakdown for this show called The Less Than Kind and for this character, Sheldon, who is this kind of overweight, you know, not traditional leading man who kind of has, he's very, very intelligent. That's where we kind of differ. I'm not as smart as my character on wrestling kind. But there's in him a bit of this resentment about, you know, the body that he's in and, you know, wanting to overcome that. And on top of that, you know, he's stuck in Winnipeg. The show is a love letter to Winnipeg, but, you know, it's kind of like the song buried underneath this sort of, you know, surface stuck in winnipeg the show is a love letter to winnipeg but you know it's kind of like the song buried underneath this sort of you know surface level resentment and he has a

crazy family and i just read this and i said i i get this one i get it i i just it's one of those so it happened twice in my life with one was less than kind one was a show that i didn't end up booking where i read the breakdown i said i i just don't know if there's someone else right it's you this like i do and i'm not i'm you know i'm not what else that gets this like I do. And I'm not confident. I need to ask now, what was the show you didn't book? It's actually a show that's airing right now called Reginald the Vampire on SyFy. But it's starring the very, very talented Jacob Batalon from the Spider-Man movies. And once I saw he booked it, I went, oh, okay.

That makes a lot of sense. And I begrudgingly watched a couple episodes and he's absolutely fantastic. They made the right choice there. I think I would have been as valid a choice. But yes. I did a tape. I did a self-tape as actors we all do. I kind of sent it off

into the ether. I remember doing it with my father. We had a buddy named Bill Rowett who would put us on tape. I went over and I did it with him. I really feel good about that bill rowett who would put us on tape and i went over and i did it with him and i just said i really feel good about that one i don't know why i just feel really good i feel very connected to that character and uh a couple weeks later um we got informed that they really liked my tape um and that i was the current front runner choice which you know anybody who's an actor knows means nothing because they say that and then you never

hear anything uh and then you never hear anything. And then it was around the time of the Just for Laughs comedy festival in Montreal, and they said, Mark McKinney of Kids in the Hall would like to meet you for lunch. It's not an audition, it's not a callback, he just wants to sit down and talk to you.

So I said, oh, well, that's obviously really cool. Yeah, and at the time the mark was starring on studio 60 on the sunset strip which only went for a season but i loved that show um so yeah that was uh sorkin yes sorkin i watched it too yeah i have to say because i love typically i love sorkin but that one i i although i watched right like and i really like the i remember liking the christ Christmas episode quite a bit when they brought in the New Orleans.

Katrina had just hit Louisiana. But I always felt like I wished it was better. You know what I mean? I felt like, and I don't know if it helped. Here, we're on this little sidetrack. We'll come back. But it came out at the same time as 30 Rock. Yes, yes.

And I remember the network sort of hitting them against each other i remember there was because they were both like snl yes i thought you know i thought it started off really strong and then i thought it felt like there were a lot of network notes being thrown away maybe they knew that the show wasn't being watched that much and i thought the last half kind of yeah fell off a bit there was like a whole episode about the hostage situation that felt way more like west Wing than a show about you know. But anyway. Well, Sorkin's gonna Sorkin. Yeah, exactly.

And shout out to Matthew Perry who's from Ottawa, right? Yes. He's got a new book coming out too. I heard. He's making the rounds. You think he'll come into my basement here and talk about things? I mean, I think he should. You know, whether he will or not, I don't know, but I think he definitely should. So many Canadian connections, of course. He's a proud Canadian. but okay in fact if you watch friends uh which i try

not to do but when you do often in his cubicle uh you can see a blue jays hat like this is like his nod to the to the motherland but please uh i was a huge friends guy growing up but anyway that's neither mark mckinney yes one of the kids in the hall wants to have lunch with Jesse Camacho. Amazing. Yes. So, uh, I believe I was with my mom. I could have been my dad. Anyway, we went and we met and it was a very pleasant talk. He was, he was very, very kind. He was very funny as you know, no shocker there. Um, and he made no promises, but he said, I just want you to know that no matter what happens, you did a great job. Um, you know, we're still seeing people. We're still in the process, but I just wanted you to know your audition was really, really what happens you did a great job um you know we're still seeing people we're still in the process but i just wanted you to know your audition was really really good you did a

great job and it's very much a possibility and right i thought that was really kind because you don't usually hear that kind of stuff you usually just you hear no feedback and then three years later you run into a producer goes oh yeah it was between you and you know this person that ended up being a huge star because of this movie and you're like oh crap you know uh so that was cool and then a couple weeks later they said um all right they invited me down to toronto because i lived in montreal at the time right uh to read for uh mark uh marvin k chris shays green who are the other two creators uh marvin sort of is the real life sheldon it's really sort of his life sure uh. And so I went to Toronto and I believe our executive producer from Breakthrough, Ira Levy, was there as well.

And yeah, I read a bunch of scenes and I knew it was going well when they were running out and photocopying scenes from other episodes and having me do a bunch of them. And there was no other Sheldon there that I saw. Right. So I felt good about that. And then but then there was a bit of a waiting game. I like to bug the guys about this. It was about another month of like, maybe it looks good.

Oh, now they're not sure. Oh, they might be doing another search. And then I think we had to do this thing where I was starting my last year of high school. And we said, well, we need to know. And they went, yeah, yeah, all right, all right. It's going through. And then I got to go and do the chemistry reads with um you know the late great maury chaikin well i mean i was hoping maybe now's the time could you uh spend a little time talk because he was great and uh i guess he's been gone now 12

years or so uh but but you know shout out to ridley funeral home if you could spend a moment and just share your memories of him. Yeah. Maury was, you know, it's pretty funny. Well, funny is not the right word. But it's interesting. Both my parents on that show have passed away. But Maury passed away

in the middle of the run, which was really kind of... And he was the star. I mean, this is Whale Music's Maury Chaikin, who had a bunch of roles that even Americans would recognize from the movies and stuff but he was just great he was wonderful and you know he was uh intimidating

at first because he's just you know he's such a presence and he brings such a you know just this this incredible respect and when he walks in a room the air changes but what's funny about maury is he knows that and he's the biggest practical joker. He was the biggest practical joker. So I remember our first week of shooting. The gentleman who played my brother, Benjamin Arthur, you know, was just making silly jokes. And we were all joking around and he made a pretty harmless joke. I don't remember what it was. And Maury was like, oh, you think that's funny?

You really think that's funny? And then he just turned and walked away. And this is like day two of shooting season one and ben was terrified he was like gonna buy him a bottle of wine offering to buy and mori was just like no like we're done sort of and he tortured poor ben for a good two days before you know he burst out laughing and he's like no we're totally fine and um but just as an actor just the way he carried himself uh and the way he prepped a scene and the way he made choices was just it was kind of awe-inspiring and really he knew when to stick to his guns and when to you know he knew when he was right and he knew when the creators were right uh and that's a balance that I don't always know.

And just as a person, he was incredibly kind and, you know, always willing to tell a great story or, you know, give advice. And I am a little bummed that we didn't get to interact more off set because they were staying at a hotel and I had a guardian for the first two seasons. So I was staying at an apartment away. So I know Ben, who played my brother, and Wendell, who played my mom, who also passed away. Sorry, who played your mom again? Her name is Wendell Meldrum. I would say the thing a lot of people know her from is the low talker on Seinfeld.

Oh my gosh, yeah. Yeah. Of course. She only passed away about a year ago. Wow. But yeah, they were, I mean, she only passed away about a year ago. Wow. But, yeah, yeah, they were very, very tight with Maury because they got to have dinner with him every night and stuff. I wasn't just, I just wasn't geographically around. Right.

For a lot of that stuff. But we had a great relationship. He was always very complimentary to me and taking me under his wing. And, you know, he's got a beautiful wife and daughter. And, you know, he was got a beautiful wife and daughter. And, you know, he was young. He passed away at 61. It was, yeah, it was sad. So sad.

Yeah. So I mentioned whale music, of course, because that's like he started whale music. And I know Dave Bedini's been over here. So we talk a lot about whale music because it's got those great real statics tracks. But the three big things I'd say, the U.S. things, I just wanted to make sure i got

this right okay so okay sorry dances with wolves yes my cousin vinny and war games you're a bit young for war games uh i saw it when i was i think when we were prepping for the show and you know we heard that maury was going to be starring on the show i knew who he was i think i'd seen him in this is a kind of a smaller thing. I was a big Mask of Zorro fan when I was a kid, and he's got a small part in the Mask of Zorro. Okay. But my parents said,

no, we've got to, you know, because of course my dad is a character actor as well, and he was like, Maury Chaikin is one of the great, if not the great character actor of our generation. So we watched a bunch of stuff. He also did a really funny uh arc on entourage as harvey weingard right yeah the weinstein uh spoof there yes

right now okay so today i learned okay this is a big moment for me i always assumed he was just like a born and raised in like toronto or somewhere in can. Although he is a Canadian citizen, he was born and raised in New York State. I actually just now, right now, I popped over to his wiki page. I did not realize that Maury Chaikin was born in Brooklyn and raised in New York,

New York City. Yeah, and I think, I don't remember when he moved to Canada, but I knew that him and Wendell had met in New York many, many years before, so they had an existing relationship. Okay, he goes to the, he studies drama at the University of Buffalo, and then after he graduates, he moves to Toronto, and he spends the rest of his life here.

Yep, there you go, and I guess, yeah, and he was a massive, he was a massive fan of toronto he was very encouraging when i was told him i was flirting with the idea of moving there he was very encouraging about that okay so we heard from some fotms to just let us know that less than kind was awesome and under underappreciated so i want to explore that a little bit firstly like if somebody listening to us right now says i want to check check out this Less Than Kind with Jesse Camacho, can you stream it somewhere? Where is Less Than Kind right now?

This is the truly kind of heartbreaking thing, is I'm not sure there's a place to watch it right now. But I do know that I think things are in motion, things are in flux. I've been told the whisper of, like, stay tuned. There's going to be news on that shortly. I've heard that before. Nothing's happened. But I'm hopeful.

I think you can, if you kind of go to the illegal parts of the internet, you can probably find some of it. Is there a bay that pirates frequent that might have it? Maybe. You know, I'm lucky. I obviously have copies of the show, so I've never had to kind of go fishing for it. So viewing party at your place.

Oh, I would, you know, honestly, to the point where it's almost embarrassing, I have definitely screened the show for people and it just comes across like I'm just trying to show people my work. How Canadian is it though that we have this great show and the only way to see it

is to visit Jesse's home in Toronto and view it with him? You're all welcome. It's a show, it really does, I do believe like it was it was ahead of its time it deserves to be seen we kind of though you know if you want to hear the the the the kind of the rocky road we were on please we we had more lives than a cat i mean the fact that we got to do four seasons at all with everything the show went through is pretty incredible i mean we did

the first season and we were on city tv uh and uh i'm i guess i'm going to be telling a couple tales out of school but uh you know no one's listening please continue yeah i do love city tv so please don't get mad at me everywhere yeah exactly so we did the first season of the show and uh city tv loved what they saw they loved the show they loved um they loved all the cuts they were very excited about it and so they renewed they loved the show they loved um they loved all the cuts they were very excited about it and so they renewed us before the show even aired uh which thank god they did good yes but on the flip side of that was they put us on i think it was 10 30 p.m on monday with very little publicity right like you'd have to stumble upon this. Yeah.

10.30 on a Monday. It was just a very kind of weird hour. And 10.30 is so like we were definitely, I felt like a 9 p.m. show. Like that felt really kind of key to me. So no one really watched the show. I think we premiered to something like 44,000 viewers. Like no one watched. It did climb a little bit,

but they were already kind of financially committed to doing the second season. So we did our second season kind of thinking like, well, I mean, we just got lucky that they renewed us early. There's no way the show is going to go again. Or at least that was the actor's perspective. Right. You considered it like bonus.

Like you're like, oh my God, we get to come back and do this again. It was the best experience of my life. But kind of going like, you know, again, the viewers did go up and they liked the show, so there was always a chance. But then what happened is, from what I understand, I think there was a change in leadership behind the scenes in terms of City TV.

And so the second season didn't really fit with their new direction. And so they kind of shelved it. Can I ask, is this, so this is like 08 or 09, 2008? Somewhere in that area, yeah. Is this, and I need to check again my notes, but is this when Rogers takes over City TV? Oh God, it might've been.

You know what, I'll, you keep talking. I'm going to find out. Well, a lot of this was so above my pay grade. when i would ask questions they'd go yeah don't worry about it everything's great um in the exact voice yeah and i remember the second season ends with i won't spoil the circumstances with my character yelling good night winnipeg we love you and i said okay that's doesn't get much clearer than that we're wrapping it up uh so and then and then they kind of shelved it because they just didn't have a place for it and this first season didn't do great so we just thought that sort of that was that um but then what happened was um city did love the show

enough and knew it didn't fit in their network so they they gave permission for them to shop it around and that's when the show was bought by HBO Canada. Okay. And I believe it was Super Channel, maybe the movie network. Unfortunately, channels that don't exist anymore, HBO Canada I don't think exists. Well, it's in Crave now.

They just embedded it in Crave. Yes. So Bell Media owns Crave, and I know this because I subscribe. And if you want any, if I want to watch White Lotus, it's going to be on Crave. Yes. Hey, Jesse, just to fill in the gaps Lotus, it's going to be on Crave. Yes.

Hey, Jesse, just to fill in the gaps here, that is a strange time for City TV because as I look here, it was announced in June 07 that CTV was selling City TV to Rogers and that transaction's completed I think literally on Halloween 2007. So you got new ownership as you come into 08. You got brand new ownership of City TV,

which is of course some cable company called Rogers. I don't know if you heard of those guys, but so they take over. And then this is exactly when Less Than Kind is debuting on City TV, which is 08. So it is an interesting time of flux, like when Rogers is trying to figure out what is City TV, what kind of branding do we want to use and i could see that being a strange time for shows like less than kind but i will also say this before we get back to you because nobody cares what i think about this i wasn't there but i would say that station city tv still owned by rogers if they could get 44 000 viewers at 10 30 on a monday today they would probably uh take it and run that would be that's true that

would be great that's a solid point yeah uh but yeah then we were we were super fortunate and uh yeah hbo canada and the movie network picked us up and you know they said uh you know we'll air the second season they go but you know we're gonna want an additional third season uh and that was a very good yeah that was fantastic news and we were about uh about a month away from going back out there when we got the the sad news about mori that he'd passed away so again we thought well that's it they're they're just because we haven't talked about the premise here but uh it's like a family he's like the patriarch uh family-run uh driving school or uh give us a premise of Less Than Conquered.

Yeah, so it's exactly what you said. It's this family living in Winnipeg that owns a driving school. The father is kind of a cantankerous, you know, volatile, crazy man. The mom is a pyromaniac and, you know, not quite playing with a full deck herself. The older brother is kind of dim.

He's a wannabe actor uh and then there's sheldon the youngest in the family who is the smartest in the family the most normal the most grounded and yet he's stuck with this going against him you know there's that's you yes and so it's sort of yeah this this this kid with so much promise kind of with the deck stacked against him uh but what we slowly realize as the show goes on is that he loves the deck. He, you know, he does love where he's from. He does love his family.

And he maybe, he might actually be where he's supposed to be, you know. So that's sort of the premise of the show. But Maury was definitely like, you know, he was, you know, number one on the call sheet. Like he was very much number one on the call sheet like he was the very much the face of the show um so losing him was crazy and we we definitely thought well that's it you know they're gonna they're gonna wrap this up now uh and you know we were kind of at peace with that

because we said you know what is the show without maury right uh and then the writers kind of started talking and they got back to us and they said well what if this happens to the Blecher family what if they lose the patriarch and of course we were excited, we were so spread out when we heard Maury died, I'm in Montreal Ben was in Vancouver at the time

Wendell was in LA so we heard this news and we were devastated but we were so separated from everything having to do with the show that it was almost we couldn't process it so they eventually called and said no we're gonna proceed ahead and to be honest i think that third season is probably our strongest season because it was just very real and it was um you know we got to mourn and laugh and cry together uh and it was amazing and that's the only season when we wrapped up that third season where i said i think we're gonna do another one that was the only one i left very confident that

we would be back and then that was the deal they said yes come back we're gonna do one more fourth season shortened it was uh eight episodes with an hour finale um so yeah season one i didn't think we were coming back season two i definitely didn't think we were coming back uh and then yeah then mori passed away in season three i had a good feeling we would do one more so if hbo is now you know for season three and four hbo is financing it right uh hbo canada which is apparently different than hbo i was gonna say why can't we why can't this be streaming right now on crave if i mean if hbo don't ask me i would love that i think it'd be fantastic who else am i gonna ask you're the only one here okay so uh just be thinking out loud that not the first time i've heard of a charming as heck uh canadian series being lost in this on-demand digital

universe because of bullshit yeah definitely and i think the problem is is that because the first season was sort of its own thing i i don't know the details, but I think there's some rights issues. Like some networks own some stuff, some own another stuff. But from what I understand, there is going to be movement on that at some point because it's tricky. I think there's just so much content out there today. So on one hand, it's very exciting because there's so many places the show could live and find an audience.

But on the flip side of that, it's you know, it is a 10 year old show. And, you know, finding it amidst the library of things today will be tricky. But I do think if the right people watch it, they'll realize that it was a great show and it's a blast to watch. So I'm hopeful. And you could revive it. I mean, you could you could I mean, your parents are dead, sadly. Shout out to Ridley Funeral Home. But you could revive this could revive this series right absolutely and i think there's a lot of opportunity there i mean i don't think that that's been a discussion i think it's tough the show was a critical darrowing we won best comedy twice and that's the gemini's or is that the screen awards

so i believe the name at some point it happened while we were on it so i think and i could be wrong on this we won for season two that was a and I could be wrong on this, we won for season two. That was a Gemini. Okay. And then I think when we won for season three, that was the CSA. Gotcha. Gotcha.

Because they merged the, what were they called? Juno? Not Juno. That's music. Geminis and Genies. That's the name I'm looking for. Yeah.

They merged them into the Canadian Screen Awards. Yeah. And you know what's funny is I'm starting to think I was the bad luck charm because the only award ceremonies I went to were the first and fourth season when we lost and the two I missed were the two we won um but that was just so cool but I mean that was at the time I think on our last season yeah we were nominated against uh Schitt's Creek so uh you know Schitt's Creek I think is still very much in the ether as it should be and our show yeah we did overlap with them for, I believe, like a season. So, you know, I definitely think there's a good shot for the show in God.

A revival would be so much fun. It would be very surreal to go back out there. Well, here, let's start the campaign now. So here it is, episode 1153 of Toronto Might. We begin our campaign to bring back less than kind yes you won't regret it the show is funny it's heartbreaking it's sad we need good charming quality canadian content yes and i'm sure there's a there's a budget for that at be it at netflix or wherever let's get this going guys yeah we'll make some calls what a sexy package

too you get a new show and four seasons of the original right right so this is sort of like you mentioned mark mckinney yes who what co-owner what is he like a co-founder what's the term i'm looking for he was a showrunner showrunner i don't think he owns it okay but you know the reason we got new we got new kids in the hall that way like prime brought back the old kids in the hall and then we got a new season of Kids in the Hall which I thoroughly enjoyed. Look, I would absolutely burst into tears if this came into fruition. I do it on my program.

I like it when the guests cry. Yes. It's a good moment. Jesse, oh my gosh, some of the ground to cover here and I actually want to shout out some partners of the program and I have a great song

because you just spent Less Than Kind, that's four seasons, filmed in Winnipeg. I actually want to bring you back to Winnipeg. That's a little teaser for the FOTMs. But I did have a nice question

here from Cam Brio. He says, how did you get on Working Moms? He wants to know. And I like how he asks that. Like, oh my God, you got on Working Moms

because I feel like I was this close to getting on Working Moms myself. But please, tell Cam Brio how Jesse Camacho got on Working Moms. I mean, it was the traditional thing. I was a close to getting on Working Moms myself. But please, tell Cambrio how Jesse Camacho got on Working Moms. I mean, it was the traditional

thing. I was a big fan of the show, and I got the audition, and it was for the character that I ended up booking named Buddy, who's kind of the anger management group runner for Danny Kine's character. And that was really, really fun, because it just wasn't something.

When I read that breakdown, I said, oh, I'm not going to book this. This is not right for me. I think I'm a little too young. I'm, you know, kind of a bigger guy. Do I look like somebody who'd be running an anger management group? But I think that's actually what ended up

kind of getting me the gig was that, you know, Danny's character, Ann, is like, you know, so well established. She's a therapist herself. And then she's got this kind of young schmuck running the, uh, the anger management group. And it ended up being so much fun. I mean, Danny kind is one of the greatest actors I've ever worked with. She's just incredible. Yeah, she is great. And I will say this, you as a screen presence, and I recently saw you in a new movie, but again, we're going to get to that very, very soon, everybody, but you have a very like

warm face. Like, uh, you have a likable face. Some people have a punchable face, Jesse, you have a very like warm face like uh you have a likable face some people have a punchable face jesse you have a likable face well thank you very much yes i think that i've got that baby face you know it's like i've got this kind of nice around for those that are seeing me on camera beautiful brown eyes look i'm falling in love with you here thank you so much that's okay with you but you come here every day well you brought your suitcase so i did i'm moving in you're moving in it's funny gare joyce was here last week and he brought a suitcase too i think people feel like they're gonna they're so comfortable here they're gonna just it's the warm vibe that you more vibes okay so much okay we're gonna get to the winnipeg project the secret

winnipeg project and i have a great song for all of that and i have some great notes and i have my own personal uh story to share with you about that uh just to cover this ground quickly as we get to 2022 uh kick ass too yes so and it's interesting when you go to like every time i have an actor on i go to the imdb page i want to see all the credits right so who's just here this name don't tell me how you know this guy except he's going to come back in the next segment after i thank some partners but tony nappo was here so when tony nappo this was only a couple weeks ago when he was coming over i'm on his imdb and i'm like oh shit tony was in this that the other but your top three popular credits when i go to your your imdb page are less than kind which

we've talked about in great detail then kick ass two and then 12 and holding those are the big three yeah i guess that makes sense well that's just uh what it is uh i don't know who writes that or how they determine that or if it's some kind of algorithm in terms of popularity but those are like the three big titles yeah i mean the kick-ass two one is a little uh is a little more mysterious because i've got two lines and i'm in that movie for half a second. But it was funny because for a while on Netflix, that was the screen grab that when you went on the movie was me. Oh, that's funny. Me and Aaron Taylor Johnson.

And I was like, oh my God. Like I literally played onlooker number two. And you're the screen grab. I'm the screen grab. So my dear friend Rosie had a very small role in a movie and it's actually her first IMDb credit. So she was very excited about it it and she told me about it. And I think it's

on Prime, I think, but the screen you're right, the image to promote that is actually her like she plays a cop and it's her outside her cop car, but she's got this tiny role but they chose her for the photo that represents the movie, which is kind of neat.

Yeah, it's so funny. Kick-Ass 2 is one of the things i'm recognized for the most and it's not a joke i'm in that movie for maybe eight seconds that's funny um but uh it was a lot of fun it was the first thing i did when i moved to toronto right after less than kind they asked me if i'd go in and and do it and i was like oh my god yeah of course um but yeah i mean would i rank it in my top three i'd probably put lock and key up there before but uh but i i do um i did love that i got to do that that was really really cool can a canadian actor like an actor working in this country ever say no to a role or you basically like if it's a paying gig you'll find if you can do it you'll do it yeah it's kind of that one you know it's fine

there's no shame you know you gotta feed yourself and you gotta pay rent yes and i would think you can't afford to be like uh daniel day lewis daniel day lewis who can go and become a cobbler in between gigs yeah yeah and he can do a role and i don't think he's doing anything now but he would do a role every four years or something right and then he'll be next you know he's lincoln or whatever but shout out to i don't know why daniel day lewis came to mind but he's a guy who says no he says no to a lot of roles because he can afford to do that i i have said no to things but you know if we were to go project by project down my imdb i won't name them but there's a couple that you know that i'm very much like oh boy that was uh i had to pay my rent that year that's for sure right no shame in that game okay i want to thank great lakes brewery so question for you my friend are you going straight

to the train station after you leave here uh i've actually got to stop at home because they just called me and told me that uh they might need some of my clothes can i so okay so i need you to tell me the very truth here i know this is an on-air meeting but this is how we roll in toronto mike would you take with you some fresh craft beer from great lakes and would you take with you uh an actual frozen large lasagna from palma pasta like are those two things and you know you can it's you know it's okay to say if you don't have time because you're going away to montreal or whatever but uh would you would i take them a hundred percent i mean i the only thing i worry about with

the lasagna is that it'll be defrosted by the time I get to Montreal. No, but could you stick it in your freezer at home in Toronto? Oh, yes, yes, yes. Oh, please. Yes. Because it'll still be there when you get back. You're coming back. Are you actually offering me these things? Yeah, this is happening. Oh, then yes, yes. Thank you very much. For a while, I thought you were going straight to the train station

and I didn't know if you could bring a frozen lasagna with you to Montreal. That was the plan. That was the plan. Okay, so this is no BS here, man. This is real deal on Toronto Mike. I've got delicious fresh craft beer for you from Great Lakes Brewery. Fantastic partners of this program. And I have, do you like vegetarian or meat?

I'm a meat eater, so let's do that. Okay, I have a large meat lasagna frozen in my freezer and you're going to take it to your home. This is great. Stick it in your freezer, and then get your butt to Union Station and get yourself to Montreal. Thank you so much.

Yes, I will gladly take all that. And while I've got you here, I don't know how long you'll be in Montreal for, but on, and this is for all FOTMs listening, there is the 11th TMLX event. That's Toronto Mike Listener Experience, and it's happening December 3rd, which is a Saturday. You know, I often do these

Great Lakes events on like a Thursday night. But this is a Saturday at noon. We did this in 2019. We're going to do it again because the pandemic interrupted us for a couple of years. But we're going to collect at Palma's Kitchen in Mississauga at

noon on December 3rd. Palma P Kitchen in Mississauga at noon on December 3rd. Palma Pasta is going to feed everybody. Great Lakes is sending over fresh craft beer for everybody. We're going to have a festive good time with Santa Elvis and it's going to be you're invited as well, Jesse. Just if you can make it, it'd be amazing.

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From Winnipeg. There you go. I heard the Weaker Than song, which I love that song. And they allude to like, I think there's some comment in there, but how the Guess Who suck. Yes.

The Jets suck or whatever. The Guess Who suck, the Jets are lousy anyway. You can slip in a little watchman there because that's another great Winnipeg band. Sammy.Cohn K-O-H-N at ProperlyHomes.ca Here's one more gift for you.

Jesse, did anyone ever call you Macho Camacho? Yes, I have heard that before. That's because there was a boxer named Hector Camacho. Thank you very much. So I'll get back to Hector, but I'm giving Jesse a wireless speaker.

Oh, thank you. It's a Bluetooth speaker. That's a great speaker. So you bring that home with you too. Although that you can bring to Montreal if you want. And that's courtesy of Moneris. Moneris has just started season three of Yes, We Are Open. That's a Moneris podcast production.

Al Grego, who's going to be at TMLX11 on December 3rd, you can see his handsome face there. He's been telling the stories of Canadian small businesses and their perseverance in the face of overwhelming adversity. Everybody can go to

yesweareopenpodcast.com to subscribe. This podcast, which he's coming on next week to talk in a little more detail, but this podcast won an award, a Canadian podcast award. I've never won a Canadian podcast award,

okay, Jesse? But Al Grego's got one for this great podcast. Yes, we are open. I also want to shout out the advantaged investor from Raymond James Canada. It features insights from leading professionals. It provides a valuable perspective for Canadian investors who want to remain knowledgeable,

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Ridley funeral home has a great podcast called Life's Undertaking. Brad Jones, the undertaker there, was here yesterday. And I get to co-host that show. We have the most amazing chats. Every two weeks, we record about a half an hour. And then it's called Life's Undertaking. Brad Jones from Ridley Funeral Home. I mean, if you like this show, you'll love it.

Brad's a great guy. We have real talk. It's Brad's a great guy. We have real, real talk. It's just a wonderful conversation. So I urge everyone to subscribe to those three podcasts. And now I warned you, I had a song to introduce this next segment here. Just to get us in the mood here. Let it wash over you,

Jesse. Yes. Getting PTSD. I get that reference. And if you want to sing, go ahead. He's taking a pass. Well, first of all, you don't want to hear me sing. Trust me.

I'll be the judge of that. Oh, my. All right, let her get to the chorus, and then we'll bring down Liz Arden. Yes. After the body blitz How do you turn your eyes From the romantic glare

How do you block the sound of your voice This is a jam right here. She's fantastic. She's so good. Oh, I really should have known By the time you drove me home By the vagueness in your eyes The casual goodbyes

By the chill in your embrace The expression on your face Maybe you might have Some advice to give On how to be insensitive. All right, Dale Cadeau, who's a good FOTM, he writes in, I was sitting beside two of Jesse's super fans at the Bandits premiere. This is at Scotiabank Theater a couple of weeks ago.

Yes. Two energetic young girls screaming, we love you, Jesse. That sounds like it was just my roommates that I invited there. That might have been my friends. I just say they're the fans in the wild. It must be one of my millions of fans

that showed up. Al Grego, who by the way, we just talked about because he hosts that Yes, We Are Open podcast from Moneris. Al Grego says, I had the pleasure of meeting him at the Toronto premiere of Faking a Murderer. Yes.

I saw you there too. So I mentioned I was in the room with you twice. That was the first time. Less Than Kind is one of my favorite Canadian shows. So that's Al Grego. Moose Grumpy, Save Her Still After, I read this gentleman whose birthday it is today so let's say happy birthday

happy birthday to FOTM Stu Stone yes of course good old Stu Stone happy birthday buddy I gotta send him a text he writes in Jesse Camacho is a hidden gem and a monster talent

and I'm so excited for the FOTMs to get to know him what a liar but then Moose Grumpy and a monster talent and I'm so excited for the FOTMs to get to know him. What a liar. What a liar. But then Moose Grumpy, she writes in because I said, hey, if you have a question

or a comment for Jesse, let me know. I'm just on Twitter. You saw that. And then she says, insider info on Stu Stone as a director, please. How much time do you have?

I'd make time for that one. Firstly, how do you know Stu Stone? I met him on the film uh bandits yeah i met him on bandits i met him at the my callback uh oh actually no i'm sorry i met him at my like my original read um he was great he was there for all of them and then i realized that i'd known him growing up i uh you know was a big fan of magic school bus and of course he was on that show and i'd seen him in a number of things i i didn't recognize him he looks a little different now um but uh but yeah so i've only really known stew for about a little over a year now so okay that's so you were uh booked to play a role in bandits yes bandits of, is the latest movie directed by Stu Stone.

It's from Five Seven Films, which is Stu Stone and his brother-in-law, Adam Rodness. Yeah, guess how tall they are. Five ten. Perfect. He might not hit his head in this basement, actually. But shout out to Stu Stone. Happy birthday, buddy. Okay, so Bandits Talks.

So what kind of director is Stu Stone? Now, we should tell people this film was, and i just had tony nappo on the program so we went into great detail but it was filmed in winnipeg everything seems to come back to winnipeg for you what was it like first of all going back to winnipeg uh where you film less than kind uh what was that like uh it was kind of a dream come true i've been wanting to i haven't gone back since less than kind ended and i'd been promising for years and years that i that i would uh so i mean that was definitely one of the major things that jumped out at me when i read that breakdown so this would be first of all the the project itself sounded like a blast and then i thought it was shooting in winnipeg so it was a really exciting uh prospect uh especially you know i i knew tony or i knew

of tony so getting to work with him i was gonna ask you whether you I knew Tony or I knew of Tony. So getting to work with him. I was going to ask you whether you already knew Tony because he's, you know, he's he's in got a lengthy IMDB page himself. Yeah, we had met several times. My dad and him did a play together many years ago in Montreal. So I met him a couple of times in passing, but I obviously knew of him, his body of work and, you know, work and you know just

you know just tony as a human being you know he's got a he's got a like he's got a reputation a good one but uh you know he's fun he came over with his dog later when one evening he came over and it was quite the vibe like he was just like a shot out of a cannon did uh did he lose any teeth while he was here he talked about his new teeth and he was here? He talked about his new teeth, and he showed me. He talked about what he paid for them in New Jersey, I think. That sounds about right. Sounds like a backdoor deal. Don't worry about it.

I'll get you a new set of grills. You got a good deal. But yeah, and that made its way into Bandits. So that's the second time I was in the same room as you. So because you met Stu filming Bandits, you attended the premiere, which was late because of COVID, but you attended the premiere for Faking a Murderer.

So I saw you there. I'm like, oh, there's Jesse Camacho. Oh my goodness. Intimidation. Oh my goodness. And then I met you, actually, I don't even know if I saw you at the premiere of Bandits,

which was recently because it had a week run at the Scotiabank Theatre. Yes. So before we answer Moose's question and more specifics, if you don't mind, any specifics about Stu Stone as a director, I actually want to ask you something about the premiere because... So I'm at this premiere and it's fascinating because the stars are there, you know, well, Jan Arden wasn't there.

We'll get to that in a minute, but Tony Nappos there and you're there and Stu Stone's there and I sat beside Adam Rodness' parents. So I was right beside Adam's mom who I don't know that well but I have met at these same two places I saw you. But then I see that Snow is there.

Do you have any idea why Snow, Darren O'Brien, who's had a number one hit with Informer here, why was he at the premiere? I guess, you know, had a number one hit with Informer here. Why was he at the premiere? I guess, you know, I don't know if he knew... Who's he buds with, Stu? Maybe, I think Stu or Francesco, but probably Stu. Because, I mean, you know, Stu and Francesco are both also in, you know, the music world.

But, yeah. Stu's in the music world? Yeah, he's got a couple rap songs. But the exact details, I don't know. It was just talked about so casually. A bunch of people were like, yeah, yeah, and then Snow's going to be there. And I was like, oh, wow, okay. And yeah, I guess I just didn't want to stick out like a sore thumb being like,

who knows him? This is crazy. So I just tried to act super casual. Well, I was with Ian Service, F-O-T-M-E-N Service. And then we saw he was just there. He's just there. This is after. So I just tried to act super casual. Well, I was with Ian Service, F-O-T-M, Ian Service. And then we saw he was just there. He's just there. This is after the movie. He's just at his seat kind of chilling out.

And Ian's like, let's go up and talk to Snow. And I wanted to go like introduce myself and maybe take a selfie and say, hey, man, you want to come on Toronto Mic'd? But then I thought, like, just leave the guy be. Like, I just took a pass on bugging him because he was here at a movie or whatever. But now that I know Stu might know him,

I'm going to find out if Stu can introduce us. Here's a little bit of Stu Stone. He just shouted out Snow, whether he knows it or not. Okay. She's got knees dropping It's straight to the brain Not here to make it rain I'm here to make it snow Here to make it name He just shouted out snow, whether he knows it or not. So it was wild, though, that snow was at this premiere that I attended with a bunch of FOTMs. I would name them all, but I'll miss some. But VP of Sales, he was there.

Moose Grumpy was there. Mark Carey was there. A lot of great FOTMs came out for this one. Well, thank you all for coming out. It meant a lot. It was great. Okay, I should point out. Let's not bury the lead here.

Bandits was great fun. I thoroughly enjoyed it. Like a Christmas Eve heist movie. I loved it. Jan Arden, who couldn't make the premiere. Hysterical. What was it like working with her? You know, she was absolutely fantastic the premiere, but what was it like working with her?

You know, she was absolutely fantastic. I knew who she was. My parents are massive fans of hers. Well, she's very funny. Yeah, she's so funny. And a great singer. Yeah, and I hadn't seen her show at that point, so I just knew that she was, you know, I just knew her music. And then we got to set that day, and her and Tony just started, you know, riffing. And, I mean, she improv'd us all under the table. music and then we got to set that day and her and tony just started you know riffing and i mean she

improv'd us all under the table she's so quick so funny so sweet and charming and you know we got along super well you know we we got her in and out she was only in winnipeg for two days uh or maybe three with travel but uh yeah she was game anything they threw at her she was like ready to go and she's just such a team player and exceptionally kind and you know i still talk to her on instagram and stuff and uh and how did stew and adam afford the uh to license this song insensitive so we played insensitive which i but that's a prominent like there's a big scene in the movie and insensitive is uh on the soundtrack there yeah it's definitely a key moment where that song comes on. Do you think it's because Jan's in the movie?

You get a discount or something? That would be my guess. You know, whenever I ask too many questions, Adam and Stu... Well, Stu's here Monday, right? So Stu's going to be sitting in that seat Monday. So I will look him in the eyes and ask him, how did you get Insensitive by Jan Arden? I got to think there was some kind of a deal

that happened there. Because the song works perfectly in this scene that it's used. And she's just like, for her it was like, what's funny? Like, what's going to make people laugh? What's going to be? And, you know, using that particular song in that particular moment, I think, was probably, you know, too funny for her to resist. Oh, yeah.

And it's just funny to see Jan Arden, like, drop, like, an F-bomb or whatever. Several. Yeah. So the movie, Band Bandits was great. It's left theaters, but I understand it's going to be on Hollywood Suites soon. Do you have any of that info? Maybe on Monday with Stu

I'll get the real deal. Yeah, he might know more than me. I'm not sure the exact date. You better know more than you. Yeah, exactly. But I believe it's somewhere in the December 1st area. Yeah. Okay, so can I tell you a little story? Okay, so Stu's a regular on Toronto Mic. We're good friends now and he's here once the December 1st area. Yeah. Okay. So can I tell you a little story? Okay. So Stu, Stu's a regular on Toronto Mike. We're good friends now.

And he's here once a month for toast. Here is our mascot for toast. And Monday has a, there's an episode of toast on Monday. So people don't have to wait very long to hear more toast. So I want to help. I want to help. Like,

you know, there's no money changing hands here, but I like Stu so much and I, I want bandits to be successful. So I'm like, what can we do? So in addition to Stu coming over once a month, I'm like, okay, Tony Nappo can come over and I want to talk to Tony anyways. But then of course we'll talk about bandits because this was just before that week run in Scotiabank. So we timed that perfectly. And I loved meeting Tony Nappo. What a great FOTM he's become. And I think he had a great time. So, what else can we do? Oh,

Jesse Camacho can come over. I want to talk to Jesse anyways. And I saw you at those two premieres and I'm like, that'd be amazing. And you're here now and we can talk a little, Vandits, which we're doing. But then I said, the big get for Toronto Mike, with all due respect to Tony Nappo and Joni,

Joni loves Chachi. That's where I was going with that, because Camacho and Chachi. Yeah, no, it makes total sense to me. Jesse Camacho, get Jan Arden to finally come on Toronto Mike. I hear she's a God's gift to podcasts. So not that I need the help, but what the heck. I can just press record, let Jan do her thing. So Stu says, I need the help, but what the heck. I can just, let's press record,

let Jan do her thing. So I, Stu says, okay, we'll do that too and we'll get Jan on just before the On Demand in December.

And I said, okay, late November, we'll put Jan Arden on Toronto Mic. Jan, if you're listening, you gotta come on.

Yeah. You gotta come on, Jan. this is it. So I'm like, this story is just warming up here. So, Stu connects me to the woman doing PR

for Vandits. Do you know that name offhand by any chance? I don't. I met her. I met her at the premiere. You know what? I should have it on. You know what?

I will. Yeah. So I just have to search the word Jan with two N's, which makes it nice and easy. Oh, here it is. This woman's name is Pam. Yes.

Okay. So Stu has Pam Stillman write me and we exchange an email and she says, oh, I hear you'd have Jan Arden on the show. And I said, yes, I would have Jan Arden on the show. And she says,

okay, well, uh, I'll talk to her. She's, she's, and we'll book it for late November. And I said,

that works for me. So then I go to Twitter after that conversation, I'm looking at it right now, Pam. And that conversation was october 20 something okay like just before a couple weeks ago yeah that's right i don't even know where we're at here so i go to twitter and i do what i always do when when a guest is coming on and i go coming soon to toronto mic jan arden okay so i do that right great well just great response like the fvotms

are so excited just overwhelmingly positive like finally like i can't wait to hear jan on toronto mic like i'm very excited about this and everything but jan arden at some point later that night jan arden replies to the this tweet and writes what is this or something like she clearly has no yeah so she and then a lot of people are like like of course then a lot of people see that because they follow both of us or whatever. And it's like, and it's like, Oh, I, and then I write back Pam back and I just confirming everything.

And she's like, yeah, I'm talking to her on, in fact, I'm looking at, I'm talking to her November 4th, but long story short is I don't, Jan,

uh, was clearly unaware of any of this, but, uh, I didn't tweet that she was coming on until I had, you know, covered it with Pam and it was set up through students, you know?

So it's like, uh, I can see what, why Jan's on until I had, you know, covered it with Pam and it was set up through students, you know? So it's like, uh, I can see what, why Jan's confused. Cause, cause you know, maybe the PR person hadn't told her the schedule for promoting bandits yet or whatever.

But meanwhile, now I realize I'm chatting with you. It's November 17. And I now know that this note I'm looking at now, which I hadn't looked at in a little while says we were picking a day and time in late November. It's not in my calendar yet. Maybe Jan Arden's coming on toronto mic jesse what do we do jan you got to come on so this is what i think happened here is i'm sure jan probably said yeah i'll do whatever

pr you need me to do and uh pam went okay great she'll do it and jan just you know didn't didn't know the exact shows that she's doing or the exact spots that she's doing. So she's like, what is this? I mean, if you're not sure what it is, maybe you could send me a DM or whatever. It was a very public, what is this?

Because then the people who don't know me well, because if you're new to this whole experience, you'd be like, why does this guy tweet somebody, some big star comes on? It's like, I'm going to tweet now Obama, Barack Obama, coming soon to Toronto Mike, Barack Obama. I'll just do that right now.

But I don't do that. I don't play that game. This is episode 1153. So I feel a little bit embarrassed that now I don't know if it's going to happen. And that's where we're at with jan arden on toronto mike well i hope i hope that she comes on uh that that seems like she you know she i don't i'm not gonna criticize i'm not gonna criticize jan but it sounds like

you know maybe she she tweeted very quickly she read about something she tweeted very quickly right because she's a tweeter she's an actor yes she is an She is an active tweeter, but she's, she's incredibly kind. And I really do hope that, uh, that we're, cause she'd be, she'd be great here. She'd be fantastic.

Thank you, Jesse. I knew I liked you. He's more than just a warm, warm face. Jan, come on. Come on in Jan.

You'll have a great time. Uh, and you guys will be able to laugh about this and sort it all out and it'll be, uh, it'll be great. And everyone will get to hear it and it'll be, you know, it'll be a beautiful coming together.

Love it. Love it. Love it. Love it. Okay. So bandits is a great movie. I saw it. It was a fun viewing and it is coming to Hollywood suites. Shout out to FOTM,

David Kines. I will have like super specifics on Monday's episode of toast when Stu Stone drops by like as to dates and stuff, but like where can you get it on demand and stuff? So that's coming soon. So if you missed it in his theatrical run and I heard winnipeg extended it like an extra week it was so popular so uh you should see bandits and uh support stew stone and support jesse camacho and are you going to do more movies of stew stone i will do anything stew stone wants but i think he

likes he once he finds people like he likes Tony so much in Faking a Murderer. He said, Tony, you're my guy for my next movie. I feel like that's going to happen with you as well. Stu and Adam are going to be like, we need Jesse Camacho. Yeah, well, I certainly hope so. We've definitely discussed it. What the specifics of that would be, I have no idea.

But I'm there for them anytime they need. I had such a ball with those guys. And they're so creative, and they've got so many amazing ideas. And I just know anything they do is going to be completely original and completely fun. And yeah, I would work with them tomorrow or today. Happy birthday, Stu. We've just locked up Jesse for the next 5-7 film. Yes.

Done deal. I get my cut, of course, brokering this deal, you know, my 15%. Jesse, 15% of nothing. Might be nothing. I don't know. Jesse Camacho, so glad you came by.

I know you got to go to Montreal, but is there anything else? I mean, you're the one with the train to catch, but is there anything else on your way here? You're like one with the uh the train to catch but uh is there anything else on your way here you're like oh i hope i get a chance to mention this or i hope we can talk about that anything at all on your mind my friend i mean nothing specific i would say yeah please uh you know check out bandits when it hits hollywood suites you're gonna have so much fun it's 90 minutes of fun you're gonna laugh and you know you were talking about some ganja before if

you wanted to light some of that up and then watch the movie oh yeah i noticed that like the halloween halloween the christmas theme like instead of the holly is it's cannabis like there's definitely it's it's a cannabis friendly movie and it's like you know get your can of cabana and then settle in and watch bandits with your buds uh you know buds literally i need can take that any way you want. But absolutely. And crack open maybe a Great Lakes beer and have a good time. Yeah, I was going to say that as well.

But honestly, I just so appreciate you having me on. And, you know, I love doing podcasts and discussing things. So, you know, I'm sure that

if we got into it, I've got some fun industry stories I can get into if we do this again sometime. And thank you so much. Well, we will do that. Maybe we get Stu Stone to direct

a new season of Less Than Kind. Oh, God, wouldn't that be great? We kill all the birds with one stone. He wouldn't stop making fun of me if we did that. But is he a good director? He's an amazing director. He's so much fun. He loves ideas.

He just wants it to be funny and honest and true, and he really makes sure that we get that he's he's phenomenal and that van was really stolen in winnipeg as far as i know that van was really stolen they look too shaken up for that to have been any kind of a prank because if that was going to be a prank those are the kind of guys who would pull it i know it's kind of weird that they did faking a murderer and then the van got stolen but and the van got stolen in a movie about bandits, like van bandits.

Yeah, it was crazy. But I believe Stu. Stu was so pale, white as a ghost when I saw him that day. That just did not seem like a performance to me. And that

brings us to the end of our 1,153rd show. You can follow me on Twitter. I'm at Toronto Mike. Jesse, how do you want people to follow your adventures in life? I'm on Twitter and Instagram. On Twitter, I'm at Jesse115115. It's my homeroom in high school, and I should really change it.

And on Instagram, I'm JesseJDCamacho. We're going to take a photo outside by the traditional tree and then I'll make sure I tag you on both those places when we're done. Our friends at Great Lakes Brewery are at Great Lakes Beer. Palma Pasta is at Palma Pasta. Sticker U is at Sticker U. Moneris is at Moneris. Raymond James Canada are at Raymond James CDN. Recycle My Electronics are at EPRA underscore Canada. Ridley Funeral Home are at Ridley FH. Canna Cabana are at Canna Cabana underscore. And Sammy Cone Real Estate is at Sammy Cone K-O-H-N. See you all Monday for an episode of Toast, but I do have a special surprise I'm going to drop in the

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