Toronto Mike'd: The Official Toronto Mike Podcast - Jim Van Horne KOTJ: Toronto Mike'd #251

Episode Date: July 13, 2017

Mike and Jim play and discuss his ten favourite songs.

And right now, right now, right now it's time to... Take out the jams, motherfuckers! I'm in Toronto where you wanna get the city love. I'm from Toronto where you wanna get the city love. I'm a Toronto Mike, wanna get the city love. My city love me back, but my city love Mike. Welcome to episode 251 of Toronto Mike'd, a weekly podcast about anything and everything. Proudly brought to you by Great Lakes Brewery, a local independent brewery producing fresh craft beer, and propertyinthesix.com, Toronto real estate done right. I'm Mike from torontomike.com and joining me is broadcaster Jim Van Horn.

I think what you have to do is if you're going to start with Kick Out the Jams mofo, you've got to get a little more ballsy in your introduction to your own show. You know, I always worry, like, is my guest going to be okay with the F drop off the top? Hey, why not? It's life. If Conor McGregor

and Roger Mayweather can do it, why not? You're right, you're right. Jim, I needed to say right off the top that your episode 180 is one of my personal favorites. Oh, thank you. I think it's for multiple reasons, but you have this rock jock past from 1050 Chum. Yep.

And you have this like really cool sports media past. I'm a pure media slut. Yeah. What can I say? It's not often though. Those worlds do not collide very often. No, they don't. Not very often. Two of my favorite worlds too.

It's like when peanut butter and chocolate met. It's just a wonderful marriage. For those who haven't heard it and you have no excuses, go back and listen to episode 180 for the This Is Your Life, Jim Van Horn.

Where you'll learn that's not his real name. No, it's, well, no, it's not. It is now, but it wasn't then. It is now. That's okay. Is it true? I saw on Twitter you're going to be at the Olympics. I am.

It's just this thing popped up out of the blue. Last summer, I did the live description with Norma Wick for NBC and for Rio. And we did that out of Stanford, Connecticut. And I was supposed to do it again this year, but I hadn't been presented with a contract yet. So I really wasn't 100% sure whether or not it was going to happen. And all of a sudden, about two weeks ago, I got a call from a girl that I worked with at TSN 20, 25 years ago. And she said, do you think you might be interested in doing some Olympic work? I said, well, I might

be. I might be, you know, yeah. You could be persuaded. I could be persuaded. So she said, I'm going to put your name forward. And the next day, I got a call from Olympic Broadcast Services, OBS, which is the world feed of the Olympics. The pictures that you see on television come from OBS. Right. And the countries add their own commentary. Now, there are a lot of countries that can't afford to send commentators to the Olympics. That's where I come in.

So they asked me if I would do figure skating and short track speed skating. Figure skating is like a signature event? Oh, in the winter it is, and it's huge. And so I said, well, let me think about it. Okay. But you're not doing this from Connecticut. No, I'm actually going to, I think it's Gwanchung, the city where the figure skating and short track speed skating,

all the indoor events are being held on the West Coast. Now, Jim, don't get persuaded. Like there's these tour guides that'll take you to North Korea. Don't bite on that because bad things can happen. Well, you see, this is all conditional too. Thinking if South Korea is still there in February, I'll be going. That's right. Oh, my goodness.

That's right. So if South Korea is there, Jim Van Horn will be there. Very cool. And we learned in episode 180 that you had some serious health challenges. May I ask for an update? Sure. It was bladder cancer and I had it for eight years. It was about a year ago that I was here, wasn't it? I don't know. We're at 251, so it feels like longer maybe. Actually, I'd just gotten my beetle, so I think it's just over a year. So I think it's about a year, maybe a little longer.

In March, I had an overhaul. That's not a bad idea. They took everything out. They took out my bladder. They took out my prostate. They took out a portion of my colon. They took out the lymph nodes. I mean, they just clean me out.

You're a hollow shell of a man here before me. I'm just 90% of the person I used to be. But the cancer's gone. That's what they tell me. Well, hey, that's all I want to hear, my friend. That's great, because I did hear you were retiring from teaching. I have. And I just wanted to make sure that it's because you wanted to step away as opposed to like, I need to work on my health right now. Well, I stepped away because I knew that if I was having surgery at the

end of March, that there was no way that I was going to be fit enough to finish the semester into May. And so I decided at that time that that was the right time I was going to be fit enough to finish the semester into May. And so I decided at that time that that was the right time to step away. And it was the right decision to make because I'm actually still recovering. I'm not 100% yet, but I'm getting there. Well, let me ask you this. Do you have a cold as well? Because I can tell your voice is, is that related? It is related. I was intubated for nine and a half hours i was on the operating table for nine and a half i had a breathing tube down my throat for nine and

a half hours and this is the result sometimes it's okay sometimes it's just totally screwed up but today is one of those bad days you just need it back for uh south korea lots of time lots of time uh and and so i got my health update. I'm going to guess that this, having yourself cleaned out like that, which by the way, I can imagine that recovery would take a long time, I would think.

I was in hospital for two weeks and my surgeon said to me, before the surgery, he said the next two months are going to be the worst two months of your life. He wasn't lying. Well, you see, my wife had, what is it, appendectomy

when they got her appendix removed. And we were surprised at how long her recovery took. And that's, to me, so that's just, you know, you cut them open, take out this appendix, you know, this little thing. And long, you know, it was weeks. And I can only imagine if they came and took out a bunch of stuff. Yeah, I had 40 staples in my stomach. They wouldn't give me a bikini cut, which really pissed me off.

Oh, you don't need it in South Korea. Once they took out all the tubes and intravenous and catheters and everything else, the recovery was quick. So I'm good. I'm good. I'm on the right track. Well, where I'm going with this is I saw before the surgery, I saw that you were in Hawaii cycling. I was very jealous of photos you were sharing. Like, it just looked amazing to me. Have you had a chance to do any cycling,

or are you still recovering? I'm not allowed to cycle at least until the end of September, six months after surgery. So I'm hoping that come September 30th, I'll be back on the bike and slowly getting back into Hawaii shape. Yeah, that's too long, six months. It's awful. Mike, I'm going crazy. I'm going absolutely nuts. I'm at a point now where I don't want to go two days. But of course, priorities are in order there.

You need to get yourself better before you can cycle. But hopefully in September, you're back on the saddle. Absolutely. As they say. Everybody listening, I urge you to help keep these long-form interviews, these deep dives that we do with interesting people like Jim Van Horn. I urge you to keep it going by going to patreon.com slash Toronto Mike and crowdfunding this project. Give what you can. that's patreon.com slash toronto mike if you can't remember that because you're in your car right now or maybe you're cycling that's the thing i'm doing right now is i'm listening to podcasts i used to listen to music all the time and i made a switch to podcasting listening to different podcasts while i cycle and it's like now that's

my new thing well you're gonna have to be careful because if you get to be more popular than Donald Trump, you could end up like James Comey out of work. You know, I mean, let's be serious here. Let's be serious here. I don't think we have any danger there, but I don't think so. But if you can't remember patreon.com slash Toronto Mike, just go to torontomike.com and click the big orange button on the side. And Jim, last time you were here, you got a six pack of Great Lakes beer. Yeah, I came back for sloppy seconds. Nothing sloppy about it, but you're getting another six-pack.

That's great. I really enjoyed it. Man can't have enough Great Lakes beer in their lives, that's for sure. And the weather's perfect for beer, too. You know what? The weather's great. Yesterday was such a hot day. Today, I went for a walk this morning with two little kids and I felt like I needed a jacket or something down here. What's that about?

Well, I was waiting for you on the wrong street before we came downstairs. Well, I opened it. You got Jim. Okay, so Jim DMs me. I'm here. So I open the door.

I go outside. I'm looking. I just told Jim he could park in the driveway. There's no one there. And then I'm looking. Is he on the street? I'm looking at all the cars.

He's not there. And then I go back to my computer and you're like, where are you? And I'm like, where am I? Where the heck are you? Well, there was nobody parked in the driveway on the other street either. So I just assumed. And you're like, where are you? And it's like, Jim, you've been here before.

I know you. It's an age thing. Is it an age thing? It's an age thing. I won't take it personally, but I'm glad you found me here. When you drink that Great Lakes beer you're bringing home with you, you may drink it in your brand new pint glass from propertyinthesix.com. That's a great looking glass.

I like that. Thank you very much. I appreciate this. I think his glasses cost more than his sponsorship package. Everybody's like, hey, can I have another glass? They're like, these are good glasses. They are not. Honestly, everybody's like, hey, can I have another glass? They're like, these are good glasses. They are good glasses. You drink your Great Lakes beer out of that.

I will. Thank you. And I mean, when you listen off the top and you hear mofo, you know you're getting a kick out the jams episode. But I should let everybody know we're about to kick out the jams. But first, let's hear one of Brian Gerstein's jams. But first, let's hear one of Brian Gerstein's jams. Property in the six dot com. Call Brian, Brian Gerstein at 416-873-0292 if you're planning to buy and or sell in the next six months. just by meeting Brian, you'll receive a property in the six pint glass and a six pack of Great Lakes beer.

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Brokerage. Jim Van Horn, are you ready to kick out the jam? Let's do it brother well i heard some people talking just the other day and they said you were gonna put me on a shelf But let me tell you, I got some news for you And you'll soon find out it's true And then you'll have to eat your lunch all by yourself Because I'm already gone

And I'm feeling strong I will sing this victory song Woo-hoo! Woo-hoo! Already Gone by the Eagles. You know, I could have filled the top 10 with all Eagle songs. It would have been that easy for me. They are one of my favorite bands. And my radio career at Chum, at 1050 Chum, started in 1972.

Take It Easy was a big hit then. So throughout my career at Chum for eight years I played every Eagles hit there was and they're very very close to my heart and this is this is one of my favorites I got another one coming up later on with a different story but it's just my kind of music and Glenn Frey and Don Henley and Bernie Ledin, all of them. I mean, we're just, it's just an incredible band. I think I've seen them perform about five times. And when you were introducing an Eagles song on 1050 Chum, you always hit the post.

Had to hit the post. Had to hit the post. I'm a little younger than you, and I miss the heyday of the Eagles. And I grew up, you know, Hotel California being the staple you kind of had to dive into. But then I saw a documentary on the Eagles on Netflix, like only about, I'm going to say 18 months ago. Yeah, I bought that thing. I bought the documentary. Turn me all around on this band. What an amazing documentary. And then you get newfound respect

for this amazing American band. Excellent. By the way, I have a rule. You violated it, and I let it go. I wasn't going to say anything, but just, you know, normally I have a rule, one song per act. Oh, you didn't tell me that. No, I did not tell you that. That's why I realized when I saw your list, and there was two by a certain act.

We won't name which act. We want it to be a surprise. I said, well, Jim Van Horn didn't know. I'm going to let this go because this is his 10 favorite tracks. You should have told me. I could have racked my... This was a very difficult 10 choice for me. I mean, there's so many songs that I've loved over the years. And this, putting together this 10 list was really, really, I really agonized over it. You know, I've assigned this task to a few people now, and I haven't been able to do it myself, because one day, this particular Tragically Hip song is in my top ten, but the next day, a different hit.

Yes. It moves. It's too fluid. Yep. It's just, it's ever-changing. It's great to hear this track, though. You know, your next jam appeared on Mike Wilner's 10. Really?

I think you're only... Let me think in my head here quickly. Hebsey did it. Mike Wilner did it. Siobhan Morris from 1010 did it. My buddy Andrew Stoke. You're only the fifth person to come in and kick out the jams. So it's kind of exciting when you get duplicates. Wow.

I'll be curious to hear what it is. This is in no particular order, by the way. This isn't my 10th favorite or my most favorite. It's just one of the 10. Yeah, if you think it's hard to come up with your best favorite 10 tracks, try to rank them. I forget about that. All right, let's hear Jim Van Horn's second jam. I hear the drums echoing tonight

And she hears only whispers of some quiet conversation She's coming in 1230 flight The moonlit wings reflect the stars that guide me toward salvation You gotta tell me, did Wilner have center field as one of his top ten? No, but I actually asked him why he didn't. Music to me is movement. It's a feeling. It's whatever gets into your soul and makes you feel good.

And it's the first time I heard the beat of this record from Toto. It just grabbed me right away. And I have loved it ever since it first came out. And there's probably not a week that goes by that I don't listen to this at least once. It's just in me. And it's great driving music. You know, I got a little Beatle convertible.

I drop the top on a sunny day like yesterday and just crank this sucker up and away we go. Did your Beetle convertible come with like a flower in the dashboard? No. The relaunch of the bugs. You know, you say Beetle and guys like me, we just think of Herbie the love bug. This is the fifth one I've had. Is that right? I've had five of them. I love them.

Is the trunk still in the front? No, it's in the back. It's the same platform now as the Jetta. Basically the same size car. So now we know the answer to the famous question, what do Jim Van Horn and Mike Wilner have in common? Africa from Toto. Which I think I erroneously referred to them,

very erroneously, that episode I referred to them as one-hit wonders. Completely wrong. They have like five mega hits. Oh, yeah. I was way off. I apologize profusely. This is the one for me that really hits. Hits.

Have you ever been to Africa? Yes, I have. I was in South Africa five years ago. My wife is from Cape Town. Oh, wow. And we went back. It was her first trip back in 35 years. Cool. And I think for three weeks, she cried. She just, she loved so much to go back. She went back to all her old haunts and some of her old friends and relatives. And it was just, it is a magnificent country. I mean, geographically speaking, it is probably one of the most beautiful places

I've ever been on Earth. It is just idyllic, just beautiful. It sounds amazing. I can imagine if it's been that long since you've been home, so to speak, that going back, you'd be flushed with emotions. Well, interestingly enough, when her family left because of the apartheid situation,

they didn't think it was going to change. And back then, it was two distinct societies. The blacks were controlled, the whites controlled them, and that's the way it went. When she went back, when we went back this last time, you know, you'd walk into a restaurant and there were white people serving the new middle class black people. And it was shocking for her to see that. I mean, she was, she was glad to see it, but it was something that she found to be very emotional and, and really didn't ever imagine that that would happen. Did you ever see the 30 for 30 documentary about the World Cup of, the Rugby World Cup in, I think, 1995? I did not see that, no. No, but because my brothers-in-law are all South African, they are huge rugby fans.

So for the last, I think, two or three World Cups, we've gone. They've taken me with them. Oh, wow. Dragged me along as the Canadian peacemaker, as they say. That's right, the linchpin. And just the stories that they regale about South African rugby and the games that they played, they were just tremendous. The documentary really shows how Nelson Mandela tries to bring the country together and unite these, basically, essentially unite the blacks and the whites in South Africa under his regime.

The movie was called Invictus, wasn't it? Yeah, they did make a... Yes, of course. But yeah, so the documentary is like the movie, except, you know, cooler because it's real. Yeah, real, exactly. Maybe it's The 25th Man or something like that. I'm trying to remember the title. But anyway, it's a great documentary

if you can track that down. But let's hear your third jam. This is a one-hit wonder. This record came out when I was about 14 years old. And again, it was one of those pop songs that just grabbed me. And it was there, and it was great. Notice I hit the post. Perfect as usual.

This song, you know it's old because it's two minutes long. Yeah. You don't get that too often anymore. Great laugh coming up. A little chuckle here. Get ready for it. Here it comes. Yeah. I must confess, I had never heard of this song, which is called Little Girl by Syndicate of Sound. I saw this.

I watched their video on YouTube from Hullabaloo, a pop show that was on when I was a kid, and lip syncing like crazy, but it just took me back to my teen years. So approximately what year are we talking about here? I think this is 1964, 65. They were definitely influenced by the British invasion. I'm surprised they're not British, because they almost sound like they have that Mick Jagger kind of drawl.

California, dude. Interesting. Little teaser for people. You've got more California coming up, so a little teaser. I don't want you around no more. If you come knocking, you won't get past my door. Here comes another laugh. Oh, my apologies. That was actually a tough song to track down, so I'm not surprised I got a rough version. Just a great piece of music.

Just a great piece of music. Syndicate of sound. See, I love it. So I love it when I know the song, and I love it when I'm hearing it for the first time. As Dick Clark would say, it has a good beat and you can dance to it. That's right.

That's right. So that was Little Girl. Now let's hear your fourth jam. I left my home still as a child. I walked a thousand sorry miles to wait for my father to gather up his tools. This is a song about survival. Survival. He said, my boy, you gotta run. Don't wait for me. Don't wait for mom. This is a song about survival. Survival.

And I believe, if I'm not mistaken, I heard this song as the last piece of music that was played on the series with Charlie Hunnam, the motorcycle series. What was it called? I don't know. It was a motorcycle gang. Feel free to Google it if you like while we listen. Anyway, it was the last piece of music that was played as Charlie Hunnam. It was going down the highway on his motorcycle. I'm not going to tell you what happens in case you haven't seen it.

Sons of Anarchy. There you go. And at the time I didn't know Just how hard the wind could blow Towards disaster And actually what struck me about this song are the lyrics. I never found my father Actually, what struck me about this song are the lyrics. And you could hear him live the song. I was born without chances There's a freedom that everyone deserves I know there's greed and there's corruption I've seen death and mass destruction

But I'm telling you And I hope that I am heard I will not be commanded I will not be commanded. I will not be controlled. And I will not let my future go on without the help of my soul. I still get goosebumps every time I hear this song. And I will not be commanded. boost pumps every time I hear this song. And you could just see Charlie Hunnam on his motorcycle going down the highway, his head back, his arms spread, and just flying down the road.

It's funny how the use of a song in a particular scene, like movie or television series like Sons of Anarchy, can change your feelings to the song forever. It evokes the same emotion every time you hear it. I had never heard the song before that episode. And I just had to get it. I just had to listen to it. I don't think we've told people yet, but this is Greg Holden, The Lost Boy.

Love it. Just love it. And it makes me want to go watch Sons of Anarchy, which I heard is good. My brother loved it, and I just haven't got to it yet. I'm going to dive in now. Very cool. Greg Holden's The Lost Boy. Excellent.

Now, Jim, let's hear your fifth jam. Oh, another one. This is New Orleans Soul. Wait till the guy starts singing. I can't remember the name of the band. J.J. Gray and Moe Fro. That's right. But let me say this.

I heard it because you sent it to me and I listened to it yesterday. Or you told me about it. Just outstanding. I fell in love instantly. So let's listen. How many more days can you hold out? Can you hold out?

How much longer can you wait? She asked. There was a time I thought I, I could answer But my tongue gets tired As my thorns drift away Glory, glory Hallelujah Glory, glory, hallelujah The sun is shining down Glory, glory Hallelujah

I'm alive And I'm feeling, feeling fine To me, this is just soulful. Take me to church. This is fantastic. Absolutely. Absolutely. No, honestly, I never heard of J.J. Gray and Mofro.

This album is actually fairly old. I think it was back in the... Oh, God, it's at least five years old, I think. How did you discover this? Again, it was a television show that I was watching, and this was one of the songs that they played, and as soon as I heard it, I shazammed it, found it, and I've loved it ever since.

Which show? Do you remember? Can't remember. I need to watch that one, too. You know, as much as music has played such an important role in my life, there are songs that define the time that I was in. But every once in a while, like this, and the previous one we listened to, it's just songs that have moved me,

that have really connected with my soul and have made me think about life and what it's all about and where i'm headed i don't even want to talk over it it's so so great. I just want to soak it in. It's very moving. If you're looking for this track, it's called The Sun is Shining Down. J.J. Gray and MoFo. Yeah, but it's MoFro. There's an R in there just to mess you up a little bit. And it's G-R-E-Y. Not even J.J. Gray.

I like it. It sort of reminds me of like when U2 put out their Still Haven't Found What I'm Looking For on Rattle and Hum. And then you get the choir in the background and it's just that soulful. My daughter's into this, I guess the gospel rap, I want to call it. It's by Chance the Rapper. And there's a lot of this like choirs, like church stuff that just really lifts it up. It's really nice.

Here's a little observation. So you have Eagles, that's 70s, and you got Toto, which I believe is 80s. No. And then you have a syndicate of sound, which is 60s. And is this like, is it fair to say this is 2000s? Probably. Yeah. Oh, yeah, definitely.

So you're wide breadth there. I'm not current. I'm the first to admit i'm not into hip-hop or anything like that and uh i grew up on pop music and i love pop music i really enjoy soul uh motown um anything that is that touches you you know and this kind of thing. And it doesn't necessarily mean, and I wouldn't call myself a musicologist by any stretch of the imagination. I know what I like, and as soon as I hear it, if it sticks with me, it sticks with me forever.

I could see you biking to this track. It would just kind of get you over that hill, right? There's a big hill ahead, and then the sun is shining down, comes on the iPhone or whatever and it's like, there goes Jim. It's perfect. Perfect. All right, let's hear your sixth jam.

I don't think anything could top that, Jim, but we're going to go. Here, let's hear your sixth jam. Recognize it? Yep, I do, because I listened to it yesterday. I'm sad. Back in the 70s, Beach Boys had sort of peaked as far as their popularity was concerned, but they continued to tour and almost became a retro band. Everybody wanted to see them play their old hits.

Yeah, surfing songs. Yeah, but at one point they came to Toronto to play the C&E, the old grandstand show, and Al Jardine came on the air with me one afternoon. And he was one of the, I think he was the cousin. He is the cousin, yes. Yeah, he was the cousin of the Wilson boys. And he was very, very gracious. And the album that this record came from had just been released. And I remember going home that night and throwing it on,

and this song literally jumped off the vinyl for me. I mean, there was no such thing as tape back then. It was all vinyl. Yes. And this song just grabbed me. I'm going to go on a limb and say that this is the Beach Boys' greatest song of the 1970s. That's what I'm going to...

I mean, that's so subjective. It could be. It could be. I'm not sure if it's the biggest hit because they had some covers that made it. I don't think this was a hit. I still hear it on classic rock. I still think this is the... It was more of an

album-oriented rock song as opposed to a top 40 hit. And that album, by the way, is Holland which they named because they recorded it in the Netherlands. See, I'm not a musicologist. I don't know the albums. But who is? A lot of the guys, I don't even know their names.

It's funny because just last week, Alan Cross was here, and I think he's calling himself a musicologist, but who amongst us can give ourselves that title? I'm not one. That puts you in good company. So I have to ask you this, and I know you're not a musicologist, but my understanding is Brian kind of carries, Brian Wilson carries the load through Pet Sounds,

which is like the reason we have a Sgt. Pepper, which is like one of the most influential albums of all time. Then he has his breakdown during Smile. I guess he's putting together Smile, and he has his breakdown. And my understanding is post-Smile, he's putting together Smile, he has his breakdown, and my understanding is post-Smile, he's no longer the main songwriter. I don't know if I'm getting that right. I think he's always been the main songwriter for the Beach Boys. He didn't tour during Pet Sounds. It got to the point where his phobia on stage got so bad that he...

He was a studio musician. He said he wanted to stay home and it would give him more opportunity to write his music. So he did that. And the rest of the band went out on tour and they would come back and he would have all these ideas percolating in his mind. And Mike Wilson, I think it was Mike Wilson. Mike Love. Mike Love, sorry. Mike Love was one of his protagonists. He really fought Brian in regards to the kind of music that they were putting out, because Mike Love wanted to stay with the beach sound, the surf sound. Yeah, fun, fun, fun and all that stuff. Exactly, and Brian wanted to expand.

And he had crazy ideas about how to put music together, and he did have a complete and total breakdown. The stories of the sandbox in his living room are all true. The stories about him not getting out of bed for years at a time was all true. The drugs that his psychiatrist or psychologist put him on. Dr. Landy. Dr. Landy was...

I only know this from the Brian Wilson song by the Barenaked Ladies, which is why I remember the name. I read his book and I watched the movie that was universally panned and the story of the movie and the book were, were, were coincided nicely together. But, uh, he really, um, in his lifetime, he was abused by his father, slapped around by his father. The father was the manager, and he controlled them with an iron fist. And once they broke away from the father, he just made it really hard for them. And he promoted his own other surfer-type bands and all the rest, and would sort of throw it in Brian's face that we've got this, and we're doing this.

You should be doing this, and you should go back to that. Real quick, I remember a story. So Brian writes Surf City for Jan and this. Right. You should be doing this and you should go back to that. Sorry. Real quick, I remember a story. So Brian writes Surf City for Jan and Dean. Yes. And I remember the dad was pissed off that he handed away

a number one hit. Exactly. Like, and didn't keep it for the Beach Boys. I slapped him around a bit and, you know,

got him under control again. But Brian's a survivor. He's still with us. So he's a survivor. He's the only one. Well, yeah, because his...

Carl died of brain cancer and Dennis drowned. Right. Right. Mike Love is still around so He's the only one. Well, yeah, because his... Carl died of brain cancer. Dennis drowned. Right, right. Mike Love is still around. So is Al Jardine. Well, I'm pretty sure those guys... Tell me this, Jim. Have you ever seen the Beach Boys with Brian Wilson?

Yes. Okay. Yeah. But when they performed at the C&E, the time with Al Jardine, he was with them. But back then, he was still... I mean, he was totally screwed up. He was hiring a kite on drugs, and he'd sit on the side of the stage.

And I don't even know if he played or not, but he just sort of sat on the side of the stage. I know in 2012, Brian went on tour with the Beach Boys again. For the first time in many years, and they haven't toured together since. But I think you can still catch different versions of the Beach Boys. You can catch a Mike Love version of the Beach Boys and hear your Surfing USA and your Good Vibrations.

Oh, yeah. And Brian Wilson has had a couple of solo albums out since he left the band. And he's done very well for himself. And he's sort of gotten his act together and still likes to sit around and watch his kids play and stay out of everybody's way.

That Pet Sounds is a great album. It's just a lot of great stuff on there, including God Only Knows, which is one of my favorite tracks of all time. Well, I seriously considered adding some music to your day. Because that's a song that I find very moving as well. Now let's leave the beach, boys, and move to your seventh jam.

I've got dreams Dreams to remember I've got dreams And you want to talk about soul. Dreams to remember. I've got dreams. And you want to talk about soul. Dreams to remember. There's only been two artists who have ever really affected me, had an emotional effect on me when they passed, when they died. Otis Redding was one of them.

And he was killed on a plane crash well before his time. And I actually, when I heard on the radio that he had passed away, I cried. Extremely young, right? Oh, yeah.

27 or 28. Wow. One of the best live albums you will ever hear is Otis Redding live in Europe. It is just, I mean, you want to talk about kicking out the jams.

Man! Just listen to the background. I love it, man. It's so sweet. And there was a travel company that was selling trips to the Caribbean that used this song as their advertising song, and they made it into a reggae beat. And I thought that was absolutely criminal. They just ruined the song. This has got, you're right, it's oozing with soul. Oozing. absolutely criminal. They just ruined this song.

You're right. It's oozing with soul. Oozing. This is the kind of song when you're at your high school dance and you got your girl nice and close and you're grinding for the first time. And you're thinking, this is going to be the night, baby. You sound like you're remembering something there, Jim. I don't know. So this is I've Got Dreams to Remember by Otis Redding, who you mentioned died far too young.

In fact, of course, everybody knows Sitting on the Dock of the Bay. That was released posthumously. That was his only number one hit. Amazing. It's amazing. And of course, everybody knows Aretha Franklin's Respect, but that was Otis' song.

Again, you hear him singing it live in Europe. The album cover or the CD cover, whatever, has got him in a red, bright red suit on stage. It's kind of torturous to think back

of what he might have created had he not died so young in a plane crash. Yeah, you know, you look at him, you look at guys like Wilson Pickett,

you know, what could he have done? I mean, he had this voice that came from the bottom of your shoes. But didn't he live to an old age? He did,

but he didn't do anything after Mustang Sally. Right, okay. After Mustang Sally. Right. Just want to clarify, I remember he died an old man. So, yeah. Before people think Wilson Pickett died in his 20s or something.

But, yeah, Otis Redding. Sort of like Buddy Holly. Well, there's so many. Fats Domino. Jimi Hendrix. Fats Domino. Jimi Hendrix. There's 27. I mean, what a genius he was. Well, Jimi so many, but... Fats Domino. Jimi Hendrix, Fats Domino, Jimi Hendrix. There's 27.

I mean, what a genius he was. Well, Jimi Hendrix was 27. Wasn't Jim Morrison 27? Mama Cass was 27. I know Janis Joplin was 27. Janis Joplin was 27. The big three in a row, I think, that were all 27 are... Yeah, Jimi Hendrix, Jim Morrison, and Janis Joplin

were all within a span of 18 months or something. I've been to the grave of Jim Morrison in Paris. Oh, really? So, yeah. I made a trip to the cemetery. A pilgrimage. A pilgrimage of sorts. Oscar Wilde is in there as well.

There's some interesting people buried in this Paris cemetery. There's some interesting people buried in this Paris cemetery. And honestly, these Paris cemeteries are worth visiting just to see, like, just how interesting the monuments are and everything. Well, it's like going to Westminster Abbey in London. You read the floor. Yeah, that's right. Oliver Cromwell and all the royalty that's buried in the floor of Westminster Abbey. I spent two hours reading the floor when last time I was there. The Glorious Revolution.

All right, that was another great cut. Let's hear your jam number eight. 59078. Ramblin' Man, take two. The original Motor City Madman. You know who's singing back up on this? No, tell me. Glenn Frey. Wow.

Before the Eagles. About what year is this? This was late 60s. Here is this. This was late 60s. And we'll tell people this is Ramblin' Gamblin' Man credited to the Bob Seger system. Yes. And he's still going strong.

Yeah, Seger's great. Now you see you had Breakout the Jam's mofo off the top. Yep. So I'm going to say this is to me shit kicking rock and roll. Awesome.

And this is the very beginning of Bob Seger. I think it was his first big, big hit. Here's his first big, big hit. Just got that driving, pumping, hard, hard beats. Ramblin', ramblin' man. Ramblin', ramblin' man. Ramblin', ramblin' man. Ramblin', ramblin' man. Shit-kicking rock and roll. Love it.

Love it. Bob Seger. Yeah, I mean, Bob Seger, fantastic. And he can do the ballads. He can do the rock out jams like that. And then he went on to the Silver Bullet Band after the Bob Seger system. I was surprised that there was a Bob Seger system. I didn't know.

I thought there was just Bob Seger and then the Silver Bullet Band. I didn't even know there was a Bob Seger system. So I learned something new. Rambling, gambling man. And we mentioned off the top, as I played your first jam was Already Gone by the Eagles. You have a second Eagles track as your ninth jam.

So let's hear that right now. Back in the 70s, when I was a chum, Mike Holland was a disc jockey there as well. His real name was Michael Bouye. And he was from, I believe, Hartford, Connecticut. He was a Vietnam veteran. And he made a couple of records of his own. They were local hits actually in Toronto while he was still at Chum. And Mike and I were very, very good friends. And he was just a terrific musician. And he would play this all the time. And we would sing it together and harmonize it. And it just,

it's just one of those songs that just gave me that peaceful easy feeling how appropriate because i got a peaceful easy feeling and i know you won't let me down And I know you won't let me down. Because I'm already standing on the ground. So Mike Holland, are you still in touch with Mike? No, Mike is, actually he, Mike had some trouble.

He suffered from post-traumatic stress disorder from Vietnam. And it caught up to him late in life. And he had to stop working. And I think he's either in Texas now or back in Hartford. I'm not quite sure. But I haven't talked to him in a number of years. Shockingly, I have. Okay, so here's my Mike Holland story. You're kidding.

Yeah, no. And I wish I could remember which one, but I often post retro Blue Jays songs. Like, you know, we had all this Variety Village and all these different Blue Jays songs in the 80s and early 90s, and I would share them

as many as I could get my mitts on. And there was one song that he wrote me an email to let me know that it was him singing it. He was performing the song. Uncredited, I think, under his other name. Bouye. Yeah, right, Mike Bouye.

And I guess you don't know. You mentioned he had some local hits. He sang. I should Google this. Maybe I'll let the Eagles sing and I'll quickly Google this on my phone here. Hold on. In fact, when my wife and I split up, my first wife and I split up, I spent a lot of time on Mikey's couch.

Yeah, I've been there, brother. The song was called Home Run, We Got the Blue Jays. And I shared a version called the RBI Single Version. So I share this track. And I'm reading my entry, by the way, on torontomike.com right now about Home Run, We Got the Blue Jays. And in the comments, I wrote that this was recorded in 1985 by Michael Bouyer, and that he was a

radio personality at 1050 Chum, and then I linked to a YouTube video about him, and then I wrote, if you Chum fans don't recognize the name Michael Bouyer, his radio handle was Mike Holland, and I'm just scrolling down because at some point I get an email. He was a hell of a jock. Man, was he talented. Funny, with a voice like God. And yet this tiny, scrawny little body.

I've never seen him. That's funny. Just to bring it back to Mike Wilner again, if I may, he seems to come up a lot in these Punk Kick Out the Jams episodes, but when Wilner's second visit here, we played Retro J songs, and I played this RBI, the song We Got the Blue Js, the RBI single version, and went on the record to say,

it's my favorite Retro Blue J song of all time. It's a song that's too good to be a novelty J song. It belongs on the radio as a real song. It's that good. And I only became, and I didn't realize when I fell in love with this song,

it was Mike Holland from Chum, 1050 Chum. Isn't that great? If you ever talk to Mike again, you can tell him you heard about his Blue Jay song success back in 1985.

Whenever I'm having a bad day, I always listen to Peaceful Easy Feeling and it just settles me right down. Great track. Again, as we said off the top, if you don't think you like the Eagles, revisit and watch that documentary because you do. You just don't know it yet.

That's what I would say about the Eagles. People don't know what they want until we tell them what they want. That's right. You just don't realize that you're an Eagles fan. All right. Let's hear your 10th jam, Jim. just don't realize you're an Eagles fan. All right, let's hear your 10th jam, Jim. So for this, we have to go back to 1980. I had just started in Calgary at CFAC television as the host of the Calgary Flames hockey games. We did 25 games a year. We would always do a tease to

start the game. You know, promo, what's coming up, what kind of battle it was going to be. If it was the orders, it was the Battle of Edmonton, you know, and all blood and guts and all the rest of this stuff. And we used to use this music as the background. We'd never use the vocal, but we'd use the background. And the group is called Diesel. You hit the post again. And it's Sausalito Summer Nights.

You know what it reminds me of? Steve Miller Band. Yes, Steve Miller. Or if you listen closely, if you listen closely to the lead singer, he sounds like Weird Al. Okay, let me listen here. And you're right, that opening is just begging to be spoken over. Oh, yeah. Just begging for it, yeah.

I hear it. Grapevine. No wonder I remember it. I heard this in Dr. Demento. This is weird, Alan. Sausalito Summer Nights by Diesel. Sausalito Summer Nights by Diesel. Coming up in the Battle of Alberta,

Grand Fear versus Mike Vernon. Yeah. And I remember taking a trip to San Francisco and going to Sausalito, which is across the bay. And this was before it became a tourist trap. You know, it's got the t-shirt shops and the, you know, the incense shops and all the rest of that stuff, but back then, Sausalito was a real cool place. It was like Tiburon is today,

and the second time we went back to Sausalito, it had just lost all of its appeal, but this song was top-down, summertime, all aboard, baby, we're going to Sausalito. I'm there, man. Is Diesel a one-hit wonder? Do you know? You know, I know this track,

but I had no idea what it was called or who performed it. I had no idea until I saw your list. Another mile or two to Frisco 200 gallons from L.A. The engine's thumping like a disco We are the dumper in the bay And it's a story of a trip to the very beginning.

I could have taken 10 songs from the Eagles, ten songs from the band, ten songs from the Rolling Stones, ten songs from Elton John, ten songs from Billy Joel, ten songs from ABBA. I mean, you name it. It's so subjective and so difficult to come up with your ten all-time favorites. I would just have to say that these are 10 of my favorites, but I probably have 500 others. I might have to bring you back for a part two

of different 10 jams from Jim Van Horn. By the way, I did a little Googling. The J.J. Gray and Moe Fro track might be from House of Cards or no? Yes, could be, yep. Google tells me it was some season finale had it prominently used. Probably. That's another show I should watch and haven't got to yet. You have to watch it from the beginning.

Because this season is real. I was going to say real life. Dear, I use the pun, is trumping what you saw in the current show. Great licks here. Yeah, that riff is just unbelievable. So I definitely hear the weird owl you're referring to, but I still, if I didn't know who sang this

he said Mike who's singing this I'd go with Steve Miller yeah very much so and of that time too because that was

like a late 70s yeah Steve Miller band when I worked at the C&E for three summers as a teenager oh the disc

that we kept spinning in the booth over and over again was the Steve Miller band's greatest hits. So I heard a lot of Steve Miller. And then I used to look forward to when the Polar Express, it was right across the way,

and the Polar Express at night when it was shutting down, the last track it would play was Louis Armstrong's What a Wonderful World. And it would play that at night when all the people are gone and you're closing up. And that song, if I ever get around to my 10 jams, that might be there because of that. I think you should. You should do your top 10.

I'm saving it for maybe the 300th episode. Jim, I got to say, I said this on the last time I kicked out the jams. It's too much fun to be legal. It's only a matter of time before they shut this down because this was amazing. It was fun. I was so pleased when you called and asked me if I wanted to participate in this.

And it's just good to remember. It's good to reminisce. And I've just really enjoyed it. Thanks, Mike. This time, we need to get a photo together, a selfie in the front because I don't know how I forgot. I was too starstruck last time you were here. I forgot to get my Jim Van Horn photo.

Like I say, you've got to be careful. You don't want to get too famous, man. You're right. I'm doing a good job of not being too famous. Now they're putting you up at the screen at the Blue Jays games. I mean, come on. Did you hear me bopping my head to those jams? It comes to me.

I had no idea. I was like, why couldn't my buddy, because my buddy works the sound at those games, he should have been able to tip me off. Hey, Mike, coming out of this break, the camera's on you. Don't pick your nose. Don't do it. You know what I mean?

It was a scratch. It wasn't a pick. That's all right. Seinfeld. And that brings us to the end of our 251st show. You can follow me on Twitter. I'm at Toronto Mike. Jim is at JVANH

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