Toronto Mike'd: The Official Toronto Mike Podcast - John Gallagher and Peter Gross: Toronto Mike'd #541

Episode Date: November 12, 2019

Mike chats with John Gallagher and Peter Gross about Don Cherry, their new podcast, and more.

Welcome to episode 541 of Toronto Mic'd, a weekly podcast about anything and everything. Proudly brought to you by Great Lakes Brewery, Palma Pasta, StickerU.com, Brian Master from KW Realty, Capadia LLP CPAs, and Ridley Funeral Home. LLP CPAs, and Ridley Funeral Home. I'm Mike from torontomike.com, and joining me this week are the hosts of Gallagher and Gross Save the World, Sean Gallagher and Peter Gross. Mike, anything in the news today? Wait a second.

We're going to get into this Don Cherry thing, but I got to beef with you, Mike. Okay, just take a half a minute. Take your time. I love it. We're chatting the other day, and you're going on about this fake internet problem with this little boy on the East Coast that no one showed up at his birthday party,

and you were asserting this didn't... Wait, was this a private conversation? Yes. But your point of view was... I didn't say it was fake. I said nobody cares whether it's fake or not. Yeah. Well, it turns out it was real, right?

I don't know. I don't know if anybody cared to find out. The Leafs flew him to Toronto. Little 11-year-old from Newfoundland. I never said the 11-year-old didn't exist. And I never said that that was not the 11-year-old's father. These two human beings, I believed,

existed in Newfoundland. I was saying, nobody wants to know whether or not this is true. Did they invite kids and they did not show up? Like, is that part true? It doesn't matter

because everybody seems to love this feel-good story, the PR, enough PR for everybody. In a private conversation with my pal, Peter Gross, in a private conversation, I expressed...

Did you open up pandora's box i expressed little man i expressed what i would call some uh skepticism is the important thing is if you're going to be any kind of see where you're coming from here yeah you're going to be any kind of i saw the cake i saw the kids with his tears tears in his eyes he had the leaves all over his cake yeah no one showed up that was. There was a party for this guy who turned 11. And bless him. I hope he has nothing but the best in his life. Whether or not it's true that, you know,

none of his school friends attended his party, whether or not that's true, nobody cared to find out. I don't think people wanted to know if that was true. People took it as, so what my skepticism is, for example, maybe no kids were invited. Maybe the wrong date was on the invitation. Maybe this kid is such a bully that the parents won't let the kids play with him. I have no idea.

How about a snowstorm in Newfoundland? It happens in freaking July. Right. See, now Johnny's cat. Now, this is an East Coaster, remember? Or maybe this child was so marginalized because of his personal behavior that none of the kids wanted to come. Right. We don't know. And people aren't like the CBC, the Toronto Stars are covering the story. marginalized because of his personal behavior that none of the kids wanted to come right we

don't know and people aren't like the cbc the toronto stars are covering the story and the trauma believes based on the tweet from the dad and that's it like nobody's going or no one's going to touch this it's an 11 year old boy like you're not going to mess with this poor kid like at the end of the day we got to make sure we don't cause any more damage but this is good for the leaps because he started with austin matthews and then Mitch Marner, and then it comes to Ben Stiller, Mark Hamill, Luke freaking Skywalker. I gotta keep my good eye on this Peter Gross because

I now know the private conversations could be brought up in future episodes. Interesting theme, though, that when you're a broadcaster, the things you say matter. That's why you're the pro. And the things you say matter, and here's the things I want to say. Bury the lead.

You have just buried the biggest story in Canadian hockey history in 10 years. Or we're teasing it, John. Don Cherry gets fired, and you want to talk about an 11-year-old kid in Newfoundland? I wanted to get it out of the way. Do you feel better now?

Breathe in. I'm glad you brought that up. Breathe out. John, talk to me about what you think about what went down. The mic is yours. Don Cherry fired after, I don't know, almost four decades. I'm shocked. John, talk to me about what you think about what went down. The mic is yours. Don Cherry fired after, I don't know, almost four decades.

I was shocked. Absolutely shocked. You know, was he wrong? Yeah. Could he have rephrased? You people, a little bit of tire right there. You people come over here. You love our way of life, our milk and honey.

What the hell does that mean anyway? Milk and... I know what it means. I know. I was absolutely shocked. He has said way worse things than this but you know what he had a chance to apologize and he didn't joe ormington my buddy squalor i called grapes last night to see what he had did he talk to you no he's changed his phone number you know why i know it's his number because he every time he gives you his phone number he marked on the back of a business card he marks xxx and he says he'll tell you what I'll tell you what I do this, Spike boy.

If you get your wallet stolen, no one's going to call Don Cherry in the middle of the night because they don't know it's his number. I was shocked. You know, full disclosure, I'm a friend of Don's. Okay. And I have been. I voiced Rock'em Sock'em Hockey for like 10, 15 years.

You know, and, you know, he's done everything for me. He sent, you know, video, you know, wishes to my mother on her birthday and at Christmas. And you just showed me a YouTube clip where Don, I guess for a City TV sports update thing you did, that Don really played along. Like he was taking shots on you. You were in an ugly Habs jersey.

A beautiful Habs jersey, a Dryden Habs jersey. A beautiful Habs jersey. A Dryden Habs jersey. He said, I'll tell you right now, this guy doesn't look like Dryden. He's half the man Dryden is. And he didn't have to do that. I said, maybe you can warm me up, Don. I like to warm you up, sweetie. And he did the same thing for you.

He was always accessible. I'm conflicted here. Because I love Don Cherry. Me too. I think he's a great man he's done no harm to anybody but this is the age where if you're going to be a public broadcaster then you have to bear the consequences well he's not if they're not a public i mean it's rogers okay i'll take the word public but right if you're a broadcaster broadcasting to the public

right all right you guys could ice the grind with each other today, don't you? I like this. Peter can't bear in the... That's it. You know why? Saucer of milk for table two. Meow.

Kitty likes to scratch. I think it's because I recently made the top 10 people Peter will call when he's stuck in traffic list. Is that right? My ex-girlfriend's doing that. You can tell. When I was fired a few months ago by Rogers, I got right on the phone to Don Cherry,

and I said, you're next. Is that true? No, it isn't. You had me. I was hooked there. I go, we got an exclusive here. What did you say to Don Cherry? Can I say something?

Anything. Just about the terminology, you people. And again, he had the chance to apologize or to rephrase. Not like throwing a guy in front of the train like ron ron mclean did you think his job was in jeopardy if he you know i tell you what when with ron i didn't catch it either he says you know what they're throwing to the throwing to the clip right with you know with with don you know next to his uh you know the grave of his of his great uh uh a great uncle mr of serge Sergeant McKenzie. And, you know, if he chimes in,

if Ron chimes in and goes, now, Don, I mean, don't, you know, don't put all these people who don't wear poppies, you know, you know, don't. Yes, okay, so.

Because he couldn't do it because they had to throw to the tape of Don in France. Now, the issue to me. He couldn't chime in. It's not the you people. If you isolate you people, that could be a che cherry-ism, okay?

I think he calls a lot of different, you know, if he's talking about cyclists, I've heard him, you know, shit on cyclists. He'll say, you people, like you people is just like a term Don Cherry uses for a group of people.

But after you people, he says, you people, you come here, now we know who the you people are. Ouch. Absolutely. Well, with the cyclists, I mean, he showed up with a pink jacket.

All right. During, I think it was either Doug Ford or Rob Ford's inauguration. Rob Ford's inauguration 2010. Exactly. With a pink jacket. For you pinkos out there and you people driving the bicycles. Pinkos and you people riding the bicycles. Right.

Because, of course, if you ride a bicycle in the city're of course, you're a pinko. And you ride all the time. I rode today. I rode today. I ride all year round. Four inches of snow. It was fun. It was fun. Peter, okay, so we'll get back to you, John, but Peter, I totally get this conflict because

I grew up never missing Coach's Corner. This was appointment viewing. I passed it on to my oldest son. You know, we watched it together. We'd always watch Leafs on Saturday night, and we'd watch Don and Ron. And I've known for a long time that Don was on the opposite end of the political social spectrum, if you will.

We weren't aligned with our values, if you will, in that regard. And real quick, real quick. Yeah, of course, please. Real quick. You know, in the media box, at the quick yeah yeah at the you know in the media box at the gardens and at you know the acc whatever it's called now the what's it called scotia bank arena scotia bank arena we'd all get up all the media get up from you know our you know little hot dogs and uh and uh and chips and coffee and go and watch cherry yes we'd all gather around

30 40 of us and watch cherry on the TV monitors upstairs in the press box. And I saw him as, I always felt he was harmless. Like, I always felt he was entertaining and harmless. And I tuned in well, like, well-being. You know, he was saying some ridiculous things about we should have gone into Iraq, right? Where Kretchen kept us out because there was no proof that they had weapons of mass destruction.

And I still remember Don Cherry going on like CBC to tell like we should be there alongside the Americans. And it was like then I realized and I was like,

okay, so we, but I held on because I think nostalgia is what I like. Okay, I know you're a Habs guy. Gross,

you're a Leafs guy or you were at least. So I like, I like Harry Neal and Bob Cole calling my Saturday Night Games and I like Ron and Don. I just, nostalgia, that's what i like and i grew up with danny the danny and dick show right the greatest hockey duo in the history of histories right and if you grew up where you grew

up that's what you got right and you grew up here you got uh you got bob cole but uh i uh oh baby bob cole there you know i grew up with foster hewitt this is true and then his son bob bill hewitt and bob goldham they weren't bad i've heard nothing but good things are you kidding me i've heard the uh summit i've watched the summit series documentary a thousand times summit on ice i've heard a little bit of uh foster hewitt there but all this is to say that it wasn't really until the speech at the rob ford inauguration that I jumped off the Cherry train. Now, that is almost a decade ago now. But a lot of people were off it way before me.

I held on for a long time. Yeah, we were tripped over your bicycle coming into the studio today. That's not a lie. That's not a lie. It's got a lot of ice and snow. I got to get that thing going. Now, so it's been kind of conflicted because I have kind of warm fuzzies for Don Cherry. But what he says has no place on our airwaves in 2019 like he just crossed the line i don't know i don't know um the line

keeps moving gentlemen the line is before saying you people you come here he's erased that that line in the sand and and moved it all his career you know know, a lot of people are saying, hey, this is the land. These people fought and died in Europe so that Don Cherry can have free speech. However, free speech has consequences. Tell me. Because if thousands of people email and phone Rogers and say, this was terrible, Rogers has to do something.

Exactly. And it got so bad that Rogers had to tell people to stop texting and stop emailing because you've blown up the internet. How many were good? I wonder how many were getting cherry back. There's a movement to get them back. And as the show started, they were over 50, 60,000 people trying to get cherry from rebel

media. So boy, there's your credit. Also, I will say that when Peter Gross was removed from 680 News, there was a similar movement to bring back Peter Gross. I mean, 20 years ago, you'd have to sit down and write a letter complaining about... Yeah, but those three people got lost on the subway. There's a John Gallagher fan club,

a young and bluer in a phone booth just after the show today at five o'clock. But I mean, years ago, you'd have to actually pick up the phone and sit down and write a letter to complain about

what Cherry said about the former Winnipeg Jet guy named Elpo. Right. Sounds like a dog food to tie right there. So personally,

no one should be surprised by xenophobic comments from Don Cherry because it's been his brand for decades. He hasn't changed. But this world we live in, this society, has changed. We have evolved. Don stayed the same, and he overstayed his welcome.

He should have probably, when this deal was signed with Rogers, maybe that should have been his swan song. But it's kind of too bad it ends this way, but I feel like it had to. He wasn't going to apologize. So it had to end for Don. I said my piece. I'm sticking with it. All I had to do was rephrase.

And here's the thing about the you people thing. You people. I mean, everyone in this room and everyone listening on Toronto Mike knows exactly what he was talking about. Oh, he was clear. I think he was clear. He was talking about new Canadians. Absolutely.

And he's visually talking about new Canadians. And as you know know you can be a new canadian from scotland let's say good point right yeah you can't see that well you know who i feel it's clear who don's talking about he's talking about uh people of color right and yeah you know and and he feels that the least they can do is cough up two bucks for a poppy like to me these are very offensive comments yeah and here's the thing with you people. Now, we're all big movie fans here. There's a movie a couple of years ago called As Good As It Gets, and Jack Nicholson is a German Buffalo, right?

And he's, you know, there's people of your nationality, Jews, sitting at his table. No, my nationality is Canadian. Okay, Jewish-Canadian. Easy now. Judaism's a religion. I'm not trying to pigeonhole you, but I'm just trying to get to the scene where he says...

Okay, we have to get rid of Gallagher now. Oh, no. What is it now? Here's the line in the movie. Don, Jack Nicholson goes to Helen Hunt. There are Jews at my table. I'd like them to leave. What's with you people?

You people. And then in another movie, it doesn't matter. You could be Irish. I don't give a fiddler's you know what but it just so happens that these that's what he said you people what's with you people sitting at my table another movie uh anger management okay uh adam sandler's sitting there and the uh the air marshal comes and says would you please quiet down and he says to this big six foot six black guy what's with you people today and the black black guy, the air marshal, goes,

what do you mean, you people? You people? Did you just say you people? What did you do? So it's just, you know, it's just a line that you don't use. It's a phrase, a terminology that you're going to get in so much trouble with. But we know what he meant when he said it. I think it was clear what he was inferring.

Do you guys have any predictions? And I know, Peter, we should tell the world you've quit sports, right? Yes. So other than the horsies, the ponies, you still like the... The horsies. Are they called horsies? Obviously, I'm not part of the horse racing tribe there, but... But your terminology is dead on.

Watch out with the word tribe. Is that a bad word? Oh, tribe. I don't want to get canceled here. Cleveland Indians. The team from Cleveland is what I refer to them as. Peter, you don't watch hockey.

You don't care about hockey anymore. I have less of an interest in the result of day-to-day games, but I enjoy watching the Leafs. Oh, so you'll still tune in on a Saturday night. I'll watch the Blue Jays, but after-day games, but I enjoy watching the Leafs. Oh, so you'll still tune in on a Saturday night. You've got nothing better going on. I'll watch the Blue Jays,

but after about eight minutes, I have to flip. I mean, a good night is, there was a night several weeks ago in which Tiger Woods was winning a tournament on the other side of the world. In Japan, right? The Leafs were playing.

TFC was in the semifinal game. Yeah, yeah. I think the Raptors had, was it a World Series game maybe? A World Series game, and? A World Series game. And it's just... So, because I have... And how many did you bet on?

How many of these events did you bet on? Well, I'm kind of in a non-betting mood, but otherwise I would have bet on them. Fair question. Okay, so I want a prediction from both of you. What will we see during the first intermission of Saturday night's Hockey Night in Canada? Brian Burke.

With who? Ron McLean. I think they're probably going to make an announcement soon. If it's Mike Milbury, I will come down there and I'll get up in a tower and start shooting executives.

Am I the only one who thinks, and this is my prediction, I'm agreeing with you, I think it's going to be Brian Burke and Jeff Merrick. Oh, that whiny little girl, Jeff Merrick? Are you new?

Holy smokes. Now you just used the word girl yeah is that to suggest something offensive about a guy oh now you've just alienated half of the people on the planet the whiny little eight-year-old girl jeff merrick come on no ron stays ron stays what uh i have to ask now what's our beef with Jeff Merrick? I have to ask I think I basically said it let's just leave it at that whiny little 8 year old girl

I don't know the guy I just don't like his pompous ass attitude on the air and that my little sister has a deeper voice than he does. Come on. Now, we can't insult voices. I've been accused of having a little bit of a higher voice myself, so I have a lot of time for Merrick's issue there.

You're a fan? I like Jeff personally. Look at what Sportsnet did over the last little while. And we'll talk about the Don Cherry, maybe it was a money thing. Bob McCowan, John Shannon, Nick Kiprios uh mr uh mckinnis uh the guy with the glasses from pei yeah uh cloud mcleod not no what is his name a former general manager of the columbus blue jackets yeah mclean mclean yes mclean doug m good, good. Merrick stays. These guys are gone. Come on. Are there any...

I mean, do you have any scruples at all? Maybe he's cheap. Maybe he makes 38 grand a year. Good. Have at it. Okay, I've heard this theory that Don Cherry basically gave Rogers the gun in which to kill him with.

This is a high-priced talent. They're already chopping high-priced talent left, right. They let go high-priced talent to my left here, Peter Gross. Rogers is really making a lot of cuts. McCowan and Gross, that clears up at least a million and $50,000. But could you imagine, okay, McLean, Kiprios, Shannon, Gross, McCowan, and now Cherry. Bob Cole.

Bob Cole. Glenn Healy. Glenn Healy. Good guy. Paul Romanuk. Paul Romanuk. You know how much millions and millions. Glenn Healy. Glenn Healy. Good guy. Paul Romanuk. Paul Romanuk. You know? Millions and millions.

Darren Millard. We can do this all day, I think. You know what? I saw Darren Millard the other day. I'm watching the Habs beat the Vegas Knights. Yes, he's there. He looked great. It was Halloween night.

He had the big Ron Burgundy thing on. I'm like, good for him. Yeah. He's good for him. He's in Vegas now. So do you agree? Do you have a prediction on what we see? Do you agree that Jeff Merrick is an eight-year-old girl?

See, okay, John, I will say this. I hate to be, because people are going to say I'm the PC police here, but you need to change your insult to an eight-year-old boy. That's what you've got to do. Because otherwise you're suggesting girls are lesser than. This is true. See, right, Peter? Absolutely.

As the proud father of two girls, I have to defend it. And girls run my life. All of us agree women are the superior gender. Absolutely. I have no argument there. Absolutely. So in John's opinion, I happen to like him as a person. Like I've met him, I've had him here for a couple hours,

and I've had many interactions. He helped me find Harold Ballard's grave because he worked at Park Lawn Cemetery when Ballard was buried. There's a gig for him when they let him go next week. I've had good experiences of Jeff Merrick. I like him. You're entitled to your opinion, but John now officially thinks Jeff

Merrick is an eight-year-old boy. That's now official on the record. Yeah, because you know what? I've been promoting this podcast through social media. People are going to be listening to this and going, Gallagher's a complete misogynist. Absolutely. No way. I've got four sisters.

Women run my life. I had my book signing. Eight ex-girlfriends showed up at my book signing a couple years ago. Only eight? Because we know that we did a math. All of them to delete the cards on page 315896. All my best friends are all my ex-girlfriends all my my best friends are women

i say hand to god women they're smarter than us they're funnier than us they cheat they don't you know they'll keep guys like you and i around like you know mike and mike and peter and i like me they'll keep guys like us around for sperm like the amazons kill the rest off women rock my world i love you you know that i take it back jeff you're an eight-year-old boy there thank you uh there is an episode of gallagher and we're going to talk about gallagher and gross save the world here after the don cherry segment but there is an episode in which we learn that john really really likes woman i do right hundreds and hundreds of women i believe i don't remember the number it was was the same as Barry Bonds' Home Runs or something like that.

Oh, you're good. I love the fact that you read that book cover to cover and enjoyed it. I pay attention. Remember that. I did enjoy it. Big League Babylon, now available at better bookstores and Amazon.com. Do you have a prediction on what we see during the first intermission on Saturday? Yep.

Yep. Ron McLean sitting there. A man comes in wearing a paper bag over his head. Roger Nielsen on line two. And it's done, Jerry. Oh, my God. I wouldn't want to have that problem now for Hockey Night in Canada because it's irreplaceable.

Agree. Do you agree with me that they will not call this Coach's Corner anymore? It'll get a new name. I feel you got to do it. That's why I feel Ron won't be part of it. I feel like it's going to be. I feel like I have no got to do it. That's why I feel Ron won't be part of it. I feel like it's going to be, I feel, and I have no insight, no direct, this is

all speculation on my part, that we see Jeff Merrick, think of him what you may. Yeah, I know. He's probably a talented guy. He's probably a really good broadcaster. But did you ever have a run-in with Jeff Merrick? No, no, no, no at all. I just know, I know what I like and I know what I see and, you know, basically he's, you know, I mean, Peter and I

really invented like crazy, you know, idiot sportscasting. You know,, basically he's, you know, I mean, Peter and I really invented like crazy, you know, idiot sports casting. You know, he's just too straight and too, I mean, Mr. Stabilopoulos was terrific. Why don't they fire him? Because they didn't like his brown shoes? He was perfect for that. Of course, he had an earring

that turned a lot of people off in Winnipeg, you know, in Saskatchewan. He told me that, yes. George was great. People felt he was too Queen Street. Apparently the rest of this country doesn't like us as much as we like ourselves. And that this was really bothersome to people

in Saskatchewan, Alberta. Well, Brian Burke was never a coach, so you can't call it Coach's Corner. I mean, who comes up? Berkey Talks or something. I don't know what they light up. Berkey's Bites. I think they'll call it

Between Period Analysis. Oh, that's it. And you're the creative force behind Gallagher and Gross saving the world. Between Periods Analysis. What if they just completely wait until next season

and I don't know what they're going to do. And Cherry. But you know what? The country will be tuned in to see. Everybody wants to know what is going to happen. What's Budweiser going to say?

What are they sponsoring? Because they're the big... I heard they signed off on Cherry's firing. That's how key they are to this decision. I suspect if Budweiser said no Cherry stays, we'd see him Saturday night. That's a feeling I have. Also, I feel if Cherry had done an apology like Ron did.

Ron was only in Welland. He wasn't in like cam loops or whatever don could have gone to welland and joined ron and done a true apology from the heart and i feel that would have saved his job too one of my favorite expressions and i use it all the time i stole from you okay john you have more can i say the way you the f word you can swear yeah okay john you have no more fucks to give. I have read your book. It's out there. It's an open book.

It's bouncing off satellites. You have no more. I don't think Don has any of those anymore. You know, 85 years old, they probably paid him very, very handsomely. He said- I heard 800,000 a year. Oh, that's a good ballpark.

Yeah, I don't know how much he got from Bud. I'm surprised Budweiser didn't take a bigger stamp. I don't know what went on. Monday, he gets fired. Remembrance Day of all days. And for Don, he's shaking his head going, it's mid-November, I'm out of a job. Halfway through the hockey season.

But he could have apologized. He could have easily done it to the scrawler, Jerome Orton. So there is a theory. But didn't. I said it. It's out there. I'm glad.

There is a theory that essentially Rogers was looking to take these $8,000 off the books, a la Bob McCowan, for example, and that this gave them a very easy way to do so. Because there was such backlash for these comments from Cherry that you could totally see how this would mess with the Rogers brand. You know, diversity is our strength and all this. It just didn't align. And at 85, was he going to be there till he was 100 right and this gives don a chance to kind of go out

like a martyr you mentioned the 50 000 there is a segment of our population who don cherry is now a martyr he was standing up for the veterans and he refuses to apologize for who he is and now rogers has fired him he He's been, you know, people, I've learned people don't understand what freedom of speech is. I can't tell you how many people think this is a freedom of speech issue. They don't understand that freedom of speech does not equate

freedom of consequence. Peter and John, you were both on City TV for many, many years. You couldn't say anything with freedom of speech without fear of being fired for doing so exactly yeah he said so much worse stuff you know the alpo comment about you know about a coach for the winnipeg jets you know he he referred to the the genocide wars in the in the belgians in 1990 as lower slope bovia attacking slimea on the air you know

he's hit ron mclean with a with a shoulder pad i mean he's talking about all these what year was that that comment you just that was 1990 see i see that's that's that's that's a key 29 years in this uh yeah 2004 he said players who wear protective visors are Europeans or French guys. When he came into Parliament, they booed him. Of course, the Parti Quebec Bloc, but he was pretty proud

of that. He walks into Parliament, they boo him. He loves that. He feeds off this stuff. But I tell you what, he did go way too far. You know what? I'm ticked off. On a day, a remembrance day, the Raptors

just beat the Lakers. You had the Leafs and the Habs. You had that going on. The TFC loses to Seattle. He comes out and gets fired. I'm mad because I'm not going to watch his five and a half, six minutes on Saturday night. I'm going to miss him.

You know, he has lost a step. And a lot of the stuff he's saying lately is almost unintelligible. You know, he will ramble on. But he's an 85-year-old. He's like the embarrassing, sometimes, sometimes, the embarrassing drunk uncle at Thanksgiving dinner

that you can't shut up. And we love him and always will. I'm going to leave the Don Cherry portion now because I have strict orders from John. Got to keep this an hour and 10 minutes. Is that even possible with you guys? He's going to storm out at 71 minutes. Oh, that makes for a good event.

I've had that happen recently. It's always good. Okay. Have you ever listened to some of the podcasts you've done that are, who holds the record? Is it Howard Berger for two hours and nine minutes?

Oh, no, no. That's been blown away. I feel like the record, it might be Dan O'Toole from Jay and Dan. I have to go look it up. I've lost track, but there's been

many, many episodes that have exceeded 2.5 hours. And I think Jay Ron Wright as well. There's been a lot of long ones. Merrick's was pretty long. Anyway, you're not going to set the record today. I promise you that, John, because we've got a lot of stuff to get to.

I need to know current... I suffer from SAD. I suffer from SAD. I've done some work with you. I don't know if people know this. I've done a little work with you lately on your excellent podcast series, Gallagher and Gross Save the World.

Thank you. I've heard of that. It's excellent. I say that with complete bias, but when I tell friends and stuff to give it a listen, they always come back. Unless they're blowing smoke up my ass, they tell me, that's amazing.

Like, that is amazing. They want more. It's like their crack or whatever. And apparently it's climbing the charts thanks to you putting it out there. Well, it's all you guys. You're honest, real talk. You guys are the stars of the show.

Gallagher, what is this sad? I understand a little bit, but you suffer. You're honest, real talk. You guys are the stars of the show. Gallagher, what is this sad? I understand a little bit, but you suffer. Tell me how it affects you. Yeah, it's a sunny day here in Toronto. You went out bicycling today in the snow. And it was warm. But I'm suffering. It's a seasonal deficiency.

Effective disorder. That's right. That's right, yeah. But I suffer from a lot of things. I have OCD. Can you run down a list? Because you have... ADHD. ADHD. There's a list? Because you have... ADHD.

There's a whole team of psychiatrists looking after John Gallagher. Trust me on that. But I have to get out. I go crazy. I sat out for two and a half hours with my Starbucks and a stack of newspapers today. It's minus seven degrees in the sun. Because you need the sun. I need the sun.

We should have done this outside. You know what? I got a sun lab on my 12th birthday. If that's not strange, I don't know what is. So you've always had this? Always had that, yeah. I'd be sitting in schools. You're living in, oh, I guess you need to move to a place where it's always sunny.

I mean, we do get our fair share of sunshine in Toronto, even in the winter, as you know. But you need to almost like, you have a doctor's note saying that you need to live, I don't know, somewhere in California where it's always sunny. I don't know. I'll tell you what. The amount of jobs that I had turned down in sunny climes across the U.S. that I turned down, because I think there's a rumor that people at Chum were, I was kicking the Chum guy's butt over at 1050, no, 104.5. Roger, Rick, and Marilyn. One of those guys. 104.5.

Roger, Rick, and Marilyn. One of those guys. So they sent tapes down to all these states, big cities, and they'd fly me in. But I was doing Q107 in the morning and city TV at night, and the money was absolutely freaking stupid. So I had to say no to these places and no to these people. But they'd fly me in and stuff like that. But anyway, I digress. That was quite a digression. I'm in San Jose, California. That's a digress. That was quite a digression. I'm in San Jose, California.

That's a digression. Peter, you mentioned a minute ago, moments ago, that you are taking a break from gambling. I really think the listenership needs an update in this regard because we have come to know you as somebody who struggles with gambling addiction. I don't know if it's a struggle. Not if you're winning, Mike. Celebrate.

I think that's a Jim McKinney line. Didn't he use that? I might have. Anyways, please continue. I'm in a restricted financial situation right now. And I find that this time of the year is a very good time to kind of cut back on the gambling because the horse races are less interesting now.

Although the Breeders' Cup a couple weeks ago was pretty exciting. So just if you want to know statistically, this is day number 68 or 69. Haven't gambled on it. That's amazing. Like if somebody was an alcoholic and they told me they had just gone 69 days without a… Much harder for them.

Is it? Very easy. But don't you have a chemical addiction to the gambling? I don't think so. It's more psychological. When I'm in a gambling mood, by this time of the day, I've spent $30 on scratch tickets.

Which is, of course... Does anyone ever win at that? Scratch tickets are... They publish the odds on the back, right? So there definitely are winners. But obviously they make money on the odds. And the commercials are that's like that so they're they're definitely our winners but it's obviously they make money on and the commercials are you know just have you ever voiced uh and john yeah i wanted to get an update on both you on current employment status because we know about gallagher and gross save the world which we'll talk about by the way everyone hearing my voice

right now should subscribe to gallagher and gross save the world wherever you get this podcast toronto mike you can get gallagher and gross save the World. Wherever you get this podcast, Toronto Mike, you can get Gallagher and Grow Save the World, iTunes, Spotify, all of them, Google. So subscribe. There are currently 13 episodes, and we've got more coming, but there's 13 episodes sitting there. They're about 22 minutes in length,

and honestly, it is the content I seek and crave. It is local, because it's you two guys. It is ridiculously honest, like maybe to a fault, Peter. I don't know. What are you referring to? There's an episode where I'm not sure. It's ridiculously honest and compelling.

Honestly, I am biased, but I absolutely love what you guys have done of Gallagher and Gross. And the podcast doesn't fall in the same category as a Don Cherry comment. It doesn't. There are fewer consequences. The consequence.

Well, you're not going to mess with the Rogers brand. That's for sure. And a lot of people are mad at the CBC because that's where they watch Don Cherry make these comments. And they don't understand the CBC has zero control over the content. They sub-broadcast the Rogers product. That's what they said six years ago when Rogers paid

those billions and billions of dollars to Gary Bettman and his henchmen. He said, I mean, they asked the CBC guy, what do you do with Cherry now? He says, that's a Rogers thing now. CBC completely washed their hands of the situation. Obviously Budweiser did as well.

But I just imagine what the payoff would be for Don. There's no red letter days. It's probably a one-year contract, right? I'm guessing he goes year by year now. So they probably have to pay him out the contract. But maybe there's a clause in there that if you say something we deem, I don't know, what do they call these things, these clauses? Where you have to, you can't, like, you can't get,

you can't say something racist and then still get your full value. There's a clause in there. I can't remember what it's called, but you have to be a good boy. Bad behavior clause. Right, something like that. Maybe that helps them. I don't know.

I don't have any insight into this, except, yeah, end of an era, as they say, but maybe I believe this era had to end. Someone sent me, just when they heard the news yesterday, three letters. Heard the news about Cherry? I got three letters for you.

TSN. I'd be shocked. Really? I'd be shocked. Why hasn't TSN... I personally think 85-year-old Don Cherry with this baggage he brings is pretty much like... I don't think TSN would touch it. That's my feeling.

Really? Yeah. I don't think soSN would touch it. That's my feeling. Really? I don't think so. What do you think, Peter? Well, I think that the operative number is 85. He's going to have a short shelf life one way or another. Yeah. And it's not like they're in a hiring mode at TSN. Like, I mean, they're not

necessarily shedding salaries the same way as Rogers because they didn't sign that $5 billion deal or whatever, but they're not looking to add, like, they're not looking to add 85-year-old people like Don Cherry with that kind of baggage. I don't think TSMT... If they did, though,

the first appearance would be blockbuster. Would it ever. I love your analogy. People don't know of a certain age. Back in the early 80s,old ballard had fired he speaking of don cherry he'd fired roger nielsen tried to get cherry to come in from colorado or no uh he was in between gigs in fact when he got fired by colorado no one would hire him but he wanted to hire cherry cherry said no no no no no i i digress he was fired from the

bruins and he made a handshake deal with the owner of the Colorado Rockies. This is Don Cherry. So Ballard wanted to get Cherry in, but he says, Mr. Ballard, you know, I've already given the okay to the Rockies. I'm signing with them. So now poor Harold Ballard doesn't have a coach, so he's going to rehire Roger Nielsen,

but wants to have him come out with a bag on his head if you remember the show called uh was it uh the uh the the stupid talent show or you know the gong show the gong show there was a guy a comedian the unknown comic right with a bag in his head they wanted roger nielsen to come out with a bag on his head and take it off in front of 16 000 plus at Maple Leaf Gardens. That was the analogy. And I,

that's not, that's, that's pretty funny to have Sherry do that again. I just, but it's current employment status. What's your current employment status beyond Gallagher and grow, save the world. I'm the publisher and editor of down the stretch.

Canada's most informative and entertaining horse racing newspaper that has published 113 times. One issue made a profit. I wouldn't brag about that, but I can get a free meal at the track anytime I want. Yes. Which is probably dangerous for you since you're not gambling. I thought we, me and is the track closed?

Is Woodbine done for the season? No, no, no. There's this, what I found out when I go, I'd love to go with you for an afternoon at jim mckinney we're trying to keep him uh clean and sober here this ends in two days i'm what happens in two days i'm taking my family on a cruise nice and um the the main reason i go

on the cruise is because there's a casino after dinner seven o'clock at night the casino opens till two in the morning goodbye kids see amuse yourselves this sounds to me like like i'll use the aforementioned uh analogy that they have an alcoholic who's gone 69 days or whatever without a drink but tomorrow going to the stag with the open bar and gonna get loaded like it sounds dangerous to me but i mean i might be out of bounds here gambling is is not physically dangerous. It's just financial. No, no,

I'm worried about you living under a bridge. Maybe the raccoons won't show up. Okay. Let me, let me get this out of the way because John's got to get some sun here. I totally respect that. Now in my freezer right now, this hopefully helps a little bit.

I have the most, well, tell us, you had the Palma pasta lasagna last time you were on my show. I'm dying to have it again. Was it good? Be honest with me. It was better than good.

I thought, yeah, I got a big slab of frozen lasagna, big deal. And then we heated it up. I have a son, twice my size, eats five times as much as I do. And I had to kind of like fight him to get my share. It was all gone the next morning. And this is, okay, straight up. I'm excited to give you another meat. You like meat, right?

I have it in the freezer. I also have meat for you, John. Fantastic. Meat lasagna for you. That was my fee to come here. The frozen Palma pasta. It's worth it. I'm dying to try it out.

And Peter, will you be at Palma's Kitchen on December 7th? I will be. At noon. And everybody should come. Oh, I wanted to promote this later, but I'm going to do it now be at palmas kitchen on december 7 i will be at noon and everybody should come and uh oh i wanted to promote this later but i'm gonna do it now because i'm talking about tmlx5 on december 7 you wrote a book now we all know about about a big league babble on which is misadventures of a rabble rousing sportscaster and why he should be dead by now right which is the incredible book

by john gallagher i love that book. You also wrote a book, Peter. I did write a book. Tell us what that one's called. It's got a different title. It's sort of the opposite end of the space. It's a kid's book called The Boy Who Turned Into a Cat. At TMLX5, when you'll attend and jump on a mic and say hi to everybody,

you will sell and sign copies of your book, which would make great Christmas gifts for children. Good point. Yeah, well, look at me. I thought we talked about this. I'm trying to, come on, I'm trying to keep you from living under that bridge here. So what is the price if people want to bring cash?

We deal in cash here. Let's say 10 bucks. 10 bucks? 10 bucks a book. So 10 bucks gets you the book. You'll sign it for the kid or whatever. Why not? Dear Johnny, whatever. Why not? Yeah. And maybe even you'll take a selfie with the person buying the book. Well'll sign it for the kid or whatever. Why not?

And maybe even you'll take a selfie with the person buying the book. Well, now we're up to $15. And what's my cut of this $10? I just need to understand. Just kidding. My appearance. Used to get money for that. Hepsy's told a lot of books at TMLX. I never saw Dimes, so don't worry.

I'm easy on that one. Okay, so Peter Gross is selling his book at TMLX5, which is at... You're piggybacking on our celebrity. Come on, let's face it. That's what I do. That's what I do. Current employment status. Oh, by the way, in beer, too.

Thank you, Great Lakes Brewery. Ooh! So, yeah, six-pack for each of you of Great Lakes beer. And fresh... Canuck Pale Ale. Tasty craft beer. They're just... It's a fantastic...

Speaking of Jeff Merrick uh gallagher's buddy used to work at great lakes brewery way back in the day way back in the day but they're fantastic people and i'm so glad to be in partnership with them so thank you if i can interrupt johnny yes did you hear the very top of the show where he mentioned six sponsors yeah stickers sticker you dot com wants you guys to each take home these Toronto Mike stickers. I know Gallagher's been aching for one, so finally got you one. That's what Sportsnet did to Don Cherry. Stickit2u.com.

This is what Gallagher and Gross needs. These six names off the beginning. If somebody listening to us wants to partner with you two celebrities in your endeavor which is again the uh fantastic gallagher and gross save the world what is their action like uh who do they do they do they write you do you want to drop like a an email address or some way to contact you pgross at rogers.com do you know i had i had a couple people uh from that one episode where we talked, I said, if anyone emails me,

I'll send them a book. And a guy actually did. So I sent him a book. Pgross, Pgross. I'm surprised more people didn't take you up on that. At Rogers.com. Because now they've got to spend $10 to buy your book at TMLX5. They lost their chance to get it for a good deal. Okay, so you'll handle the business. We won't even bother John with this. You'll just contact him.

But again, yeah, potential sponsors who want to sponsor Gallagher and Gross Save the World is a unique opportunity here, and you can contact Peter at pgross at rogers.com. We have to go after the whales, man. We have to go after big, big business. General Motors. Yeah. Pizza, pizza. Labatt's, Molson.

Okay. The Republican Party of the United States. You guys, you guys, I was going to say, you guys go after Labatt's and Molson, and I'm going to keep my soul and go with Great Lakes Brewery. Family-run, fiercely independent operations. I drink an awful lot of Coca-Cola. There you go. There's an N.

There's an N right there. That's how it works. Okay. John, Pamela wants to know how your hair transplant took. It took. A gentleman named Bobby Hull, his follicles kept falling out. No, this is for real. I'm looking.

No, it's great. Well, you know, you can give it a tug after the show if you want. I'm going to do it on the camera. They are real, and they work. But you've got to have the elasticity in the back of the head. You have to have a donor area, too. There's some big names who've had it done. Mel Gibson, Michael Keaton, Nicolas Cage.

Let's just name a few. 2020 wants to know how it went. This was a 2020 thing. 2020? They paid for the damn thing. Right. I'm on the show with Barbara Walters, Hugh Downs, and John Stossel. See, I read the book. No, quite happy.

$88,000 American in hair transplants, and I got hair. I didn't pay a thing. Are you still in business with Frank D'Angelo? I am not. No. That ship has sailed. I wonder how Frank is.

I was going to ask you how Frank's doing. I've never spoken to the man, but he comes up periodically on the show, and I know you did stuff with Next Sports Star. It's called the nextsportstar.com, as Perry Lefkoe told me. It's where you start your sportscasting career or you end it. Now, I was on the show, you know, two hours with

Carlos Bozzito and Bill Waters, and Frank's an acquired taste, interesting guy. But we got off the topic a little bit. For two hours, one time, we just talked about Trump. You know, for two straight hours. I'm like, boy, you know. How about those Cleveland Indians, huh? Does he still do that show?

I don't know. I don't know, since I'm not honest. He kind of lost his funding. This is true, too. Well, can we elaborate? I mean, I know what you're talking about, but, you know, I learned not everybody's in my uh my head but uh tell us all how uh d'angelo might have lost his funding here he was getting an enormous amount of money from uh honey and

peter no uh sherman yes barry barry and honey and and they were killed so So yeah, Barry and Honey were murdered at their beautiful home there. And yeah, I guess Barry Sherman was a fan of Frank D'Angelo and was helping to finance some of these operations. He was making a movie every five months. He could shoot a movie in eight days.

In Hamilton. And starring like Paul Cervino and James Caan and Danny Ayala. Big names. Interesting. I'm afraid of... Wait, who's calling you there?

Oh my God, he didn't turn his phone off. Come on, who's calling you? Okay, so no more work with Frank D'Angelo. I'm doing a lot of voiceover work now. Can you tell us some voiceover stuff? I just got... I'm on the line now. I've just got a...

Actually, Peter's answering his phone and talking into the phone during a podcast for Toronto Mike. It's my daughter, by the way. Oh, now I feel bad. Now I feel bad. Yeah. How many kids you have? I blew her off. I got to I got a 20.

My son will be 28 in a few weeks. My daughter is 22. My grandson is four hey can i give a plug to the sport card and memorabilia expo i will be with cam neely matt sundin dan daou eddie shack brad park chris chelios this saturday and sunday uh i'm gonna be there both days uh i'm sorry it's may the 15th, 16th, and 17th. It's up at the airport. So I'll be there. I just got a call.

I'm the new voice for Frank's Hot Sauce. Speaking of Frank. Cool. Yeah. The VO stuff's coming in fast and fast and fast. So we'll hear your voice on the television. Super Bowl commercial, yeah. I'm doing EA Sports now as well.

I'm in a movie with, it's a Pixar movie. Pixar's huge. Pixar's huge. I'm half dog, half... The Pixar. The Pixar. There's a new movie. Who else is in this movie?

Because I'm a half dog, half stereo system. What's it called? This movie. They haven't named it yet, but it's got Tim Allen and Tom Hanks in it. Well, that's Toy Story. Oh, I don't know that. I don't know. It's really movie. They haven't named it yet, but it's got Tim Allen and Tom Hanks. Well, that's Toy Story. Oh, I don't know that. I don't know.

Really? So yeah, Tim Allen. No, I'm just joking. I'm joking. But it is a Pixar movie. It is. It is. You guys always get me

because I'm a little naive. I'm thinking, how does John not know that that's the Toy Story franchise? I don't have any kids. My nieces and nephews are all grown up. You still know the Toy Story franchise. I don't have any kids. My nieces and nephews are all grown up. You still know the Toy Story franchise, even about the kids. But I'm a boomer and I'm

a crazy, you know, like one of those DJs from the 60s. 1050 Chum, it's 1012. Good morning. Hey, coming at you, coming on you. Oh, like this guy here. Is that too? Who's that? That's Mike Cooper. The Coop. Oh, and here's your buddy, your best buddy,

Roger Ashby. He's a great guy. I see him walking his dog around the park where I am these days. Tell him to get back here. Sure. Alright, Jason from Sudbury. Looking forward to Gallagher and Gross on the pod. Since both these guys did their fair share of drugs back in the day, but he points

out in parentheses, weed is not a drug, it's a plant, he says. I just wonder what they think about drugs today. Coke is a lot different than back in the day when they did it. Not to mention there was no fentanyl or carfentanil back then. Specific question for Peter. I want to hear some cab driving stories.

Okay, so let's do one at a time here. These are two different topics. Hold on, could you back up? What's fentanyl and carfentanil? I have no idea what that is. Very, very powerful opioids. Okay, okay. And there's accidents. Yes, and there have been some accidental overdoses when

people didn't know there was fentanyl. You're talking about like Tom Petty and Prince? I don't know about them, but I do know, like, for example, I always think of Ken Daniels' son. You guys know Ken Daniels? Detroit Red Wing playboy. His son

suffered from an accidental fentanyl overdose. It's definitely an epidemic. It's terrible. It actually is truly terrible. But you didn't have to worry about that back because you knew Coke was Coke. At least that wasn't going to kill you. Yeah, unless you do too much. We get an eight ball with some of the big TV radio names

in the history of Toronto TV radio. We'll get an eight ball at six o'clock and it'll last the whole weekend. We'll do the eight ball. At 10 o'clock, we'll call the dealer again to bring another eight ball in. So tell us how long it's been for each of you since you've done any Coke.

And I'm not talking about Coca-Cola here. Peter. 1987. Okay. Did a lot of Coke in the previous years but stopped it in 19 i was very fortunate because the last three or four times that i did coke it just made me physically ill and then finally you get the message so 87 okay good for you man how about you john uh nine 21 years so 19 no it's got to be more than that it's it's been 21 years yeah 1998 that's right yeah yeah i just figured yeah enough and no uh nick no desire to start up again no and i've seen a lot of it backstage at rock concerts what worked for me and a little messenger but have added guys

have added do it what not you but my friends what worked for me at the end was being able to associate an awful lot of bad circumstances that was created by doing coke. So when you finally see that it's your enemy, you've got no desire for it. And what about the famous story? And this story is told in depth on Gallagher and Gross Save the World and also previous visits by you, Peter.

But talk about, this gentleman wants to know, do you have a good cab driving story he says um he's sure you've met many people from different walks of life and while i'm sure most people were decent i'm sure he meant more than his share of characters everything from just stupid assholes to drug dealers addicts hookers pimps etc as a matter of fact i'm sure they could could probably do an entire podcast just based on cabbie stories. This might be a good episode of Gallagher and Gross Save the World cabbie stories. This is 22 minutes of you. I picked up the Wicked Witch

of the West one time. Margaret Hamilton? Yeah. Okay. Is that right? I just picked her up somewhere and drove her to an airport. I think you probably picked up Lenny Kravitz too because he's the basis of that song. Mr. Cab Driver, don't knock my way of driving. Okay. Picked up the basis of that song. Mr. Cab Driver, don't knock my way of driving.

Picked up two o'clock. I'm driving in Brampton. A.M. or P.M.? In the morning, 2 A.M. I pick up this very attractive woman. Dear Penthouse Forum. In a bar, yes. I was driving at Lakeshore Boulevard. We're going in that direction.

She gets in the front seat. Usually women get in the back seat. She's wearing kind of a strapless top thing. Okay. Very drunk. So it's about a $15 fare. We're driving across town. And just out of nowhere, she pulls her top down.

So she's naked from the waist up. She's topless. And I'm looking. I'm going, I wonder what I'm supposed to do. And before I can think, she flops her head into my lap, like she's half unconscious. She thinks it's time to go to bed.

She has no idea where she is. She thinks it's time to go to bed. Oh, look, the blue dolphin in. So now I'm thinking, should I touch her? What should I do? And before I have a chance to do anything, she props herself up

and pukes all over the side of the car. Oh man. And yes we definitely need an episode of Gallagher and Groves about this. Now Steve Leggett

listens to Gallagher and Groves Save the World. He loves it and he says who is the guy Peter got upset with for dating his ex-girlfriend but I think he means John.

So I actually remember this moment in the episode because you made a reference to how chilly it was you said it was like a frost was coming in as i remember correctly all right i have no issues with anyone dating my two ex-girlfriends right but i'm sure what steve meant was uh john i remember this story and i do remember your joke about the it's just like on a day like today it was just really frosty asy you guys have no just you're terrible terrible yeah i was dating this girl i was cheating on a girl and with my girlfriend and all of a sudden she starts you know coming by the house uninvited

and starts to date so-called quote-unquote date my roommate and then no one would talk to this guy the radio station for like weeks and months, man. Come on. Mates before dates. Don't do that. Goal scored by number 13. That's a need. How many hints can we drop? I'm leaving it. My lawyer wants me to stop right there. Michael Coffey says, ask Gallagher

about the World Cup, reporting from St. Clair and leaving his BMW so the mob didn't know it was his car. Yes, indeed. This is true. I just got him, I guess it was a World Cup, and it's just so, I mean, it's not really trained for the North American eye and all this, you know, kicking backwards and use your freaking hands, for God's sakes.

Anyway, I did this anti-soccer story, and Brazil, on top of the live-eye truck, right? And Brazil had just beaten Italy. It was right on Clinton Street. Clinton and, I guess it was college. College? Yeah, okay. I know that.

Cafe Diplomatico. Exactly. Great bar. Oh, good pizza, too. Anyway. Anywho. The word got around the Gallaghers just trashing soccer on the sportscast and trashing soccer on the Q Morning Zoo.

So, they're not happy because they lost to Brazil. soccer on the sportscast and trash and soccer on the Q Morning Zoo. They're not happy because they lost to Brazil, so the word got around and they're going to jump me, but there's so many cops and the security from City TV are surrounding because they get the word too. They just say, hide in the bottom of the little, whatever the booth is

in the live live and just hide there until you have to go up top of the truck and do your sportscast, but they're after you buddy in the cops room. Those people we mean Italians. Yeah you people. But what happens

you know they all come in I have a theory about these people that are in the World Cup who have the Portugal flag and the Brazilian flag. Double dipping. Exactly.

Not cool. And not cool at all. I used to work at the Galleria Mall okay. A lot of very large Portuguese community right there. And Portugal had a run where they weren't competitive. They weren't even in World Cups for a period of time. But Brazil was always there.

Conveniently, they all flew the Brazilian flags. And then when Portugal got good again, they did both. I felt like we're not going to carry England fans because Canada is a colony of England. Dead on. So they're fueling up with jugs of beer. So when I come down from the live eye, they're going to drench me. And there's probably about 20 or 30 of them. Why waste good beer on me?

Have a sip, for God's sakes. But I can see them, and the cops are there. And they're like, we have to get you the hell out of here because there's going to be a public bloodletting with your blood. So anyway, they drenched me, but I i duck and they hit the cops straight on and they hit the security guys so those security guys are grabbing these guys with the now empty you know pictures of beer they get me the hell out of there yeah and we're we're gonna get you in a cab no i my car's over here what is it bmw they're like oh a german car did the q107 gig or the city tv gig allow you to buy a bmw uh combined yes okay yeah uh i remember you told me one time you made a lot

more money on q than you did i did and especially because people might not guess that people think tv oh yeah but it's actually you made more money doing morning show on Q&A 7 than you did. Absolutely. And real quick, just to finish the story for who was our friend who tested it? I have to go. You finish the story and I'll dig up who the hell tested it. I think it was Mike. I think it was Mike. Okay.

Yeah. Mike. Michael Coffey. That's right. Michael Coffey. So I got out of a movie. I got out of a Clint Eastwood movie in the line of fire. There were three cops on each side of my car getting, on each side of my car, getting me the hell

out of Little Italy with a roof down on the BMW. I'm driving away and all of a sudden I hear, bang! And I'm like,

what the hell? It was probably some guy's Camaro backing up, right? But I thought, whoo! And the cops went crazy. I have an idea, Peter.

That's a true story. Coach's Corner with John Gallin. Oh, dear. I'm very, very old. You know what? Not to be the ego maniac that I am, but I have got phone calls of people going,

why don't you apply? I think I've, you know. There's way more talent. You have too much to handle. There are way more talented people, including a fine young Jeff Merrick, who can probably, see what I did there? See what I did?

Jeff Merrick's in the Ron spot, okay? You got Berkey in the Don spot. Do you think it's McClane and Berk? I really hope so. This is actually a guess. Berk could smile a little more. He seems to be a disgruntled.

There's two Berks. There's two Berks. There's the Hockey Night in Canada or whatever, the Rogers Hockey Berk, who's a miserable SOB. Isn't he, though? Yeah, I can't stand it

because he just looks miserable, and I feel it's a shtick he's doing, okay? But I've heard Burke. I've seen him on maybe Tim and Sid and some other outlets where he's actually more affable and personable, like more real, and it's far better, a Berkey. That Berkey on the hockey, I don't know if somebody

said, use your curmudgeon persona for this role. It doesn't work for me. You know who else is a miserable SOB? It's that Jeff O'Neill guy. He hasn't smiled since 1983. Really, what the hell's that? And Jeff is a name I hear a lot as people say, if Rogers were smart, they would poach him

from TSN and give him the cherry roll. I hear him a lot. People have called me, John, why don't you put your hat in the ring? There's no way. There's no way. I think it'll be Peter Gross. No one has offered me the gig.

No one's offered me. Let me know. I'm your first call. They've suggested that you should try out for it. No. I'll be like the scrawler. At least Burke's straightening his tie now that he's wearing it.

But he could laugh a little more. He could cheer up. I've had drinks with Brian Burke. I've had lots of drinks with Brian Burke. Does he smile when you have drinks with him? Yes, big time. So he's a happy guy. He's a really great American, Midwest kind of Irish guy.

Good guy, tie right there. Don't mind if he takes my spot in Coach's Corner right there. I said it. See, the more things change. Okay. Now, I want to say thank you to Brian Master. Brian Master, by the way, long time radio legend. Legend's a great word for it.

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I'm about to get very serious with you two gentlemen in a moment. But first, although accounting is very serious, but the rockstar accountant Rupesh has an answer to a question about condos and HST. Here's Rupesh. Rupesh, when you buy a condo for investment purposes, you have to pay HST to the builder. What happens to that HST? Excellent question. So here is the place where a lot of people don't know this. When you buy a condo for investment purposes, the builder will charge you HST up to $24,000 upfront. It will be added to your closing costs. But the silver lining is you can apply for an HST rental rebate from the government to get back this $24,000. However, you have a hard deadline

of two years. So please make sure you do it within two years. So Rupesh can help you do it. There's a way to get that money back. A lot of condo owners aren't aware of this. Rupesh saves you money. So thank you, Rockstar accountant Rupesh Kapadia from Kapadia LLP CPAs. You two gents, I mean, I think you're 69 years old, right, Peter? That is correct.

And John is younger. Let's leave it at that. Leave it at that. I lie about my age. I don't know why I do that, but there's a method in that. Leave it at that. I lie about my age. I don't know why I do that, but there's a method to that madness. It's your right to lie about your age. Andy Kim lies about his age.

Hey, how good does he look? He looks great for a man who is in his 70s. Did I say that out loud? I'm sure that's a secret. Okay. Pete, I'm going to start with you, but do you ever think, I want to know if you've ever thought about death.

Is this something that, I know I don't want to bring us down here, but is this something you. I don't believe I'm going to die. Is that true? Because I've fallen for these things earlier. First of all, you should meet my mother. My mother is 96 and in perfect health. I'll put her on the show. Yeah.

She'd be excellent. She'd probably have some things to say about me. And she should be dead just based on the torture that I've provided her. So she's still healthy? She's 100%. 97, you said? She'll be 97 in March. Wow, good for her.

I mean, at 69, you've got many, many great years ahead of you because you actually look like you're in great shape. I've tried a lot harder to kill myself than my mother did. You work out a lot, don't you, don't you yeah i've become a little bit addicted getting fired gives gives me a lot of time and i wake up in the morning at eight o'clock when i gotta do something so you'd be three hours late for work i have i have a jewish guilt workout that i go through three or four times a week well it's working for you whatever it is it's working for you so you do do you ever think like, you know, at some point,

the great equalizer is we're all going to die? Do you ever? No, I can't imagine. I've buried two of my brothers in the last several years. My younger brother, Paul, died during the summer, lung cancer. And I think about that and I have trouble wrapping my head around the fact that he's gone. I don't see myself ever. That's probably not realistic, right?

Oh, no, it's not realistic. But one thing about death is when you're dead, it's other people's problem, if you will. You don't have to worry about it because you're gone. I tell you, if I die within the next month or two i've left a real mess for people oh oh all right john i gotta ask you the tough one here uh have you ever uh have you thought about death are you comfortable the fact that one day and again you're a young young healthy guy but at some point we all die yeah you know i'd never really think of that you know because there's a great okay there's a great line from a from a movie you know there's a brilliant line from broadcast news when william hurt's character asks albert brooks character what do you do when

your real life exceeds your dreams and bro Brooke replies, keep it to yourself. Basically, I'm a high school dropout, but I'm a complete moron. I just like sports. I got involved in sports. Got really, really good, really lucky. And you have a great voice. That's why you're getting these Pixar roles. Great voice.

Yeah, yeah. But I got really, really good, really lucky, and I've just plateaued and every day above ground with all the shit that I did you know and i want to wake up you know when i you know how well i want to i want to die i want to die having sex at 99 years old with a beautiful woman and i got shot in the back of the head by a jealous boyfriend splat all over her pretty pink pillows that's how i want to go that's how i envision it you know what sometimes it's seriously sometimes you walk around and and and you know and and you're lucky and you don't even know it and i

have to be one of the luckiest sobs on the planet and thank you for that peter i'm really sorry to hear about your brothers uh two in the last year you said you lost two brothers uh no my other brother dan uh five years ago okay and paul died this summer i'm sorry man thank you yeah me too that's tough that's a bummer man i'm sorry to hear that but uh here let me tell you about holidays and hope candlelight service so brad and the good people at ridley funeral home are at the assembly hall the assembly hall is actually in new toronto it's not too far from here actually actually. On Wednesday, December 4th at 7pm, they have their annual

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or call 416-259-3705 who picks up the lunch bill when you guys have lunch barrett wants to know peter no the one peter drives me to and fro the studios here because i live in avenue and lawrence i'm nowhere near so when he does that i take him out for cocktails and we have our little chocolate lab run up and down the sun-filled deck do we know if moses namier has listened to an episode of gallagher and gross save the world good question he should have listened to the one that we did exclusively about him do you think he do you think we first of all do you know if he listened well you know what you you're you've got your hand uh your hand on on on this so you see a lot of the comments and apparently the moses one was a huge hit and aren't we number like 10 among you were number 10 spotify

there are 700 000 podcasts right indexed by google podcasts in. In your category, we've got to drop that caveat there. Although I always say, details, details. In your category, you were number 10, 100%. And we jumped up 75 spots. From number 10? Yeah, exactly. That's a rollercoaster ride. But apparently the Moses Nimer segment episodes went absolutely viral.

Do you think Moses listened? If you were going to guess. I don't know what's happening with Moses lately. He's become a bit of a hermit, hasn't he? Yeah. Has he gone laying low, perhaps? Maybe he's waiting. Maybe there was a Me Too movement.

Maybe he wants to wait for that to pass. They contacted me on that Me Too movement. Tell me. It was the Globe and Mail. I think it was the Globe or the Star. They had six or seven. Was it the Globe? They had six or seven reporters, top-notch ones, working on this

witch hunt. I'm surprised they have six or seven reporters working there at all anymore. That's amazing. Do you remember any of the names working on this thing? I don't. I talked to a young lady. I said, he's one of my mentors. He's one of my heroes. He's a visionary. I love Moses Nimer.

There's no way you're going to squeeze any anti-Moses vibe out of me. But I do have a book coming out, and it's available. Okay, I'll answer your questions. It was definitely. How long ago was this? This was three years ago. I feel like if they were doing these calls, and did you get a call, Peter? No.

Oh, expect one later today. I wonder if Moses is, because there's a lot of ex-City TV people still working at the Zoomerplex. So, you know, I'm on Facebook. Can you name any? I don't know. I know his sister works there.

Dominic Zulo, his sister does, Libby. Ziggy Lawrence is wonderful. Yeah, yeah. Joel Goldberg is there. John Thornton. Yeah, that's right. Joel Goldberg sister does, Libby. Ziggy Lawrence, who's wonderful. Yeah, yeah. Joel Goldberg is there. John Thornton. Yeah, that's right. Joel Goldberg. Yeah, good people.

Good people. So I'm sure, you know, since they're all friends with me on Facebook and on Instagram, they'll probably inform Moses that... And it was a pro-Moses episode. There'll be nothing in it that would disturb them. That's right.

Well, just in case Moses is listening to this right now, Moses, I want you on Toronto Mic'd. He would be a peach. A peach, Jerry, a peach. We'll see how that goes. Russ Salzberg, what is our issue of Russ Salzberg?

Russ Salzberg. I know a lot of people listening probably don't know who the hell we're talking about. Good, good. So long, farewell, goodbye. I'm giving all these sweaters to Bill Cosby in jail. A Cosby sweater. You've got a Cosby sweater on, Russ. He's had a very good career in New York, Russ Ellsberg.

I was the sports director at City Television from 80 to 84. And by the summer of 1984, they really wanted to move me out of the sports department for various reasons. I went on holiday. When I came back, they had hired Russ Salzberg. And I had seen his resume and remember thinking, if I had an opening, I would not give it to Russ Salzberg. I would give it to a Canadian, a good Canadian boy.

But Moses liked you both. I think Moses likes characters. And Russ Salzberg with that accent. He was a character. Do you know how Russ got his start? I do. Okay, tell us. Yeah, he was so annoying on Q107 and in such disdain by the morning show co-hosts and Gary Slate.

Maybe Gary Slate was involved. I don't know. I should take that name out of the box. But they, for a joke, I know Dave Barker, for a joke, sent a tape of Russ Salzberg. He was getting $7 a morning or a cast, I don't know, at Q107 during the morning show. They sent a tape to Moses and Amber and he bit.

Do you know how Russ got the Q gig? How he got on Q107 doing the moment show. They sent a tape to Moses and Amber, and he bit. Do you know how Russ got the Q gig? How he got on Q107? He won a contest for a sports guest spot. Right. He won a contest. So he parlays, he wins this contest to get on Q107 doing some sports guest thing. He parlays that into something that got Moses' attention,

that got him the gig at City. And then he went to New York, where he's from, and he's still going. I remember watching when I got here in 86. I'm like, oh my God, this is the best they could do. This is like Russ Salzberg's doing the sports. This guy's just annoying. As a boil, I'd like to land.

He used to send out his resume on a weekly basis to the New York station. But he was huge in New York. Are you at all jealous? Was being the New York station. But he came, was huge in New York. Are you at all jealous being the operative word? Well, are you at all jealous of the Russ Salzberg's career? Is there somebody's career? You are jealous.

I'll tell you this, that as annoying as he was, uh, as a sportscaster, he was a pretty good guy. He had a couple of kids. He was a family man. Um,

one great, great moment, a split screen with mike tyson with him yes that's uh viral yeah yeah uh look at up i just russ salzburg mike tyson it's it's historic thank god they were in a split screen in different studios because i don't know ross would not be alive today i i don't know about johnny but i i don't wish anyone in the industry ill will what do they say okay let me flip it though. Living well is the best revenge.

Is, right. That's a good point. Is there someone's career, maybe we'll keep it to the GTA here because we know we're talking about it. Is there someone's career that you're jealous of? Like you wish you had that career? John Gallagher.

I want to do the voiceover. You are correct, sir. I can't quite get to that John Gallagher kind of emphasis. But you are trying to break into acting, right? You took some headshots, right? I've had two auditions. Nice. I didn't get either one of them, but I got to.

And I'm going to guess you're playing like gangsters, like in the Sopranos prequel. I'd like to do. I think I can do Joe Pesci. There's a new. You little prick. The Irishman, right? There's a new. There's a new. There's prick! The Irishman, right? There's a new...

There's a new... There's a new... There's a new little prick! Scorsese movie. The Irishman. Anything you want. I gets it. It's good.

It's good. Do you guys get recognized in public? I do. I'll bet. From time to time. I'll bet you do. Do you ever get recognized? It's waning, but every once in a while.

Happened at Starbucks yesterday. Woman said, I know that voice. I used to watch do. Do you ever get recognized? It's waning, but every once in a while. Happened at Starbucks yesterday. Woman said, I know that voice. I used to watch you. Right. The voice would give you up. The voice would give you up. I was wondering, like, yeah, if you're not speaking, does anyone come up and go, are you Spike?

Are you John Gallagher? Right, right, right. But when they stop coming up. They're looking for the mustache. When they stop coming up, you're like, wow. If I'm desperate. Is my star fallen? Is my star fallen? I'm sorry, Peter, I interrupted. If I'm desperate and lonely. Is my star fallen? Is my star fallen?

I'm sorry, Peter, I interrupted. If I'm desperate and lonely, I go to the track. I get recognized at the track. In the paddock. Weren't you a jockey at one time? You're too heavy to be a jockey. I rode a quarter horse once as a TV bit. Oh, as a TV bit.

Okay, because a sticker you gave me, a new sticker that's above John's head that says, check your head. Nobody's hit their head since that went up. You don't have to worry about that. I never worry about that. All right, quick little clip of John Gallagher and some Toronto Maple Leaf here.

Hold on. Uh-oh. Mr. Captain Fantastic. How's the homestand going? Don't you fuck off. Suck my fucking dick, you fucking hunk of shit. That's Doug Gilmore, isn't it? Speaking of going viral.

Potato audio. I apologize for that. But you were buddies with Doug, right? Was that pre-planned? No, no. Tell me how. Because today I feel the same joke plays very differently today yeah did when that was taken that was well it was part and parcel with uh some person really

hated a certain anchor in city tv so they'd uh they'd okay they'd save all these gordon martineau and bingo and martin how could you hate gordon mart Martineau and Bingo was his name so they placed all these things together you know Peter Silverman was in it Joe Giorginto I was that

I was there mostly Gord you know Doug was at his wedding him and Amy I went to his wedding we'd be you know we'd vacation together

but I would go to his house Is he still with Amy? Oh he's not no he's with a lovely girl Amy's moved on because Amy they had the cow leagues. You know what I'm talking about here?

Yes, I do. When they were supporting the milk. That's right. Oh, that was a wonderful couple. Sure. So that bit there. It was just him. It wasn't ever supposed to see the light of day, of course.

No. But it was recorded, obviously. Yeah. And some angry or bitter cameraman or something? Do we know? I think we know who it was. It was a woman who just didn't like Gord at all. I don't know.

But you got, okay, because again, this is how times have changed. This is why Don had to go in 2019. But today, let's say Austin Matthews, right? If he says that same joke with the City TV and it leaks out onto YouTube. Yeah, why don't you blank my blank you, homo blank blanking blank.

Right. And of course I laughed, but then it goes viral and people are like, oh, look at Dougie Gilmore tell that Gallagher off. Oh, look at him. Oh, he got his comeuppance. I'm like, it was a joke, man. And it was mid-90s, I'm guessing, right?

Yeah, sure. It's amazing how different this era is. Good point about that, by the way. It would wipe Don Cherry off the front page if the same joke was played by, I don't know, John Tavares, for example. I never thought of that. Can you imagine?

Can you imagine? Yeah. Because the comments, although they're said as a, I hate to use this term because idiot president ruined it, but locker room talk like, uh, right, right.

Uh, homophobic though, right. To say, suck my dick. You have been H. That's right. Whatever.

Uh, very interesting in the, how the times have changed. Just look at my reaction to that clip. I'm like, Dougie, you little killer. You.

All right. We're almost done here. We got to get you some sunlight, John, but, uh, I wanted to ask, I think we fit a lot in. Yeah, almost, almost done here. We got to get you some sunlight, John. But I wanted to ask... I think we fit a lot in, don't you? Yeah, almost done.

Do you have any thoughts on Mike Bullard? Okay, because I know when Gallagher was on TSN, you can argue that would never happen without Bullard being on his show happening, right? Because Bullard had the Canadian talk show, if I've got my errors correct, with his show, which was Open Mic, whatever they call it, Mike Bullard or whatever. And then

there was, of course, the Gallagher show, which we've talked about in depth with you, John, when you've been on Toronto Mic in the past. But I'm curious, do you guys know Mike Bullard? Do you have any thoughts about Mike Bullard? Oh, I see him all the time. The only thing I'd like to say about that is that if Cynthia Mulligan is listening, I've had a crush on her for 20 years.

Okay. She's probably listening. Cynthia, you can... Never had the courage to... She's out of my league, but that being said... Cynthia's been over to my house for cocktails. Top me once again.

No, I don't mean to. We were all just pals. It just comes organically. I understand. I dated half of the freaking co-workers at City, of course. Now, Bullard got... Not Cynthia, mind you. Right. Now, Bullard had things written about him in the Toronto Star that have been...

What do you call it when you have to publish a... Take it back? What is it? Anyway, what were they... Retraction? Retract. My vocabulary has abandoned me here. I'm here for you. Right, right, right. Kevin Donovan, I think they had to

issue a retraction because they called him the S word, a stalker. But these charges specific to stalking were actually dropped because there was no the judge dropped them. There was no evidence or something to that effect. I just wondered if you were like, because you said you're kind of buddies with Mike Bullard,

that there's sort of this, I think Bullard's right now actively trying to come back, if you will, see if he can come back from this, what happened with him. Yeah, he got fired at CFRB for these allegations. So there's some lawsuits going around, I know, of some pretty big numbers.

And that is Bullard versus Rogers. See, Rogers has come up many times on this podcast. Hey, I heard they fired Don Cherry. And Bobcat, did you hear that? Bob McCallum got fired? That's still news here. And okay, very, very close to wrapping up. What brought you two together?

Because we both know you were on City TV, but were you friends when you were on City TV together? I hated him. Is that true? I always, you know, the best part of it when I came back is Moses has hired me three times, right? Right. And so I came back and after the TSN show was cancelled, I've never heard that

comparison between if there wasn't a Bullard, there wouldn't be a Gallagher. That's like a ball-peen hammer across the head. I was doing that. You're reading too much into that. No, I'm not. I just haven't heard of it. Maybe that's not true. It's the first time I heard it. It's interesting.

It's discussion for another time. But I work weekends with Peter, and that was just a wonderful time to be around because he didn't have this evil persona called Stephen Hurlbutbut who was running around the station. See, that's a name. I know that name from listening to

Gallagher and Gross Save the World, but that's a name where the average Joe like myself who only see the people in front, in the camera. I know you two because you're talking to me through my boob tube, but that name is a behind the scenes name where insiders know that name, but you hate this guy. With a passion.

He's got a tattoo on the back of his head. Six, six, five. Ooh, neighbor of the beast. No, he's evil incarnate, this guy. He's a whole new show. When he was fired, T.O. Blog,

was it T.O. Blog or... Blog T.O.? Blog T.O. or Retro Toronto, maybe one of your competitors. I do apologize. First of all, there's no competitors, but a friend of the show, FOTM. First of all, there's no competitors, but a friend

of the show, FOTM. You have no competition. Mike just has opposition. See, that's how good he is. FOTM. You guys are both FOTMs, by the way, but FOTM Ed Conroy does great at Retro Ontario. Yeah, he's a terrific guy. When the blog came on, when Stephen Hurlbut was fired, it was like

had to be hundreds and hundreds of pages of like just such shot and fruit just you know middle finger people who'd had bad experiences with them which is everybody but we work weekends and peter and i are dear friends and i think it was a gentleman if i may answer your question perry lefkoe was a wonderful guy he i mean peter lost his job a couple of months ago i've been kind of wallowing in my mediocrity for the last three or four years. So it's time to get off the horse and do a podcast.

So who reached out to who? Lefkoe said, you two guys should get together. And that set a light off in my head. Bing! Okay, so Perry Lefkoe is the gentleman we're to blame for this. This is true, yes. He's the matchmaker. He's unleashed this upon the GTA here. Okay, so what is the plans? I need to blame for this. This is true, yes. He's the matchmaker. He's unleashed this upon the GTA here.

Okay, so what is the plans? I need to know future plans. Like Gallagher and Gross Seed World, we already talked about how if any brand or company or any marketing department wants to contact you, Peter, at pgross at rogers.com

to discuss sponsorship opportunities, obviously you're looking to monetize this operation and then to sort of finance future episodes. Is that the plan? You ever see those jackets, the bomber jackets that I wear all the time on Facebook and the ones that the mayor wore during the Raptors run? Sure, of course.

Well, that's Zach. Clark Douglas is a good friend of mine. He runs a business called clarkianzach.com, and we get these guys on board for a sponsor. I'm kind of their... Are you talking to them about that? I am. Have they heard episodes of. Are you talking to them about that? I am.

Have they heard episodes of Gallagher and Gross Save the World? You love the episodes. Absolutely love them. So clarkyandzack.com. If you want to get some really cool bomber jackets, sports coats, you'll see them. Jerry wore one in Saskatchewan two weeks, three weeks ago. That was one of his. So is that, so, and again, I help you guys

with Gallagher and Gross Save the World. Yes, you do. You're great. So I have an interesting perspective here. Is the plan, if people want more episodes,

it's all about you guys selling sponsorship for the podcast. Is that right? I don't want to put words in your mouth. But you know why? Do you know why

people should opt in? I can't wait to hear this. Because there's a lot of listeners? We're in an age where nobody takes fault or admits that they've done anything wrong gallagher and gross save the world john and me admitting i mean we actually got an episode called when we were assholes that's right we're going the other way. We're putting a hook into the world and lurching it in the correct direction.

We're going to lasso the moon, Mary. Start taking blame, everybody. Exactly. We've screwed up so many times. The stories, the moments that we've had, and we're still alive and still have this podcast, which could be like, it's doing quite well, and you well know that, because you're following the numbers, our good producer friend. And to me, the most important thing is that the content is exquisite. If you are listening to this show, you probably like the cut of that, you know, the cut of

that jib. Gallagher and Gross Save the World is right in your wheelhouse. And how can we get it, Mike Boone? You search your podcatcher of choice for Gallagher and Gross Save the World.

It's that simple. You've got a landing page on all the aggregators like Apple and Spotify and Google and Stitcher and TuneIn and all these cats.

You can find Gallagher and Gross. Subscribe. And then, you know what I like about Gallagher and Gross? One day, eight episodes just drop all at once

and then five episodes dropped and I'm about Gallant Grows? One day, eight episodes just drop all at once, and then five episodes dropped, and I'm hoping that more drop. More drop. Special gift. This is actually from the Electric City Candle Company, and they are basically raising funds for a special needs hockey team to have a used van for their travels.

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for each of you, John and Peter. Great. And that brings us to the end of you, John and Peter. Great. And that brings us to the end of our 541st show. You can follow me on Twitter. I'm at Toronto Mike. Peter,

what is your Twitter handle? Peter the Gross? At Peter the Gross. At Peter the Gross on Twitter. Now, John, you've all been abandoned your Twitter feed. Absolutely.

I do apologize because you're not getting any dirt. It's just for absolute trolls. It's just such an unhealthy, unfriendly vibe on Twitter. And look at the biggest antagonist on Twitter is this freaking snow cone in the White House. Just someone. But you don't have to follow him. No, no, no.

I just despise Twitter. I did a show with Freddie Patterson a little while ago and he put my, you know, he promoted his show, right? But just the trolls that came out, just anti-Gallagher. I'm like, I wouldn't do anything for these people. You know, I'm an acquired taste as well, but just, I mean, that didn't turn me off. It's just, everything about Twitter

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