Toronto Mike'd: The Official Toronto Mike Podcast - Kathleen Robertson: Toronto Mike'd Podcast Episode 1760

Episode Date: September 11, 2025

In this 1760h episode of Toronto Mike'd, Mike chats with Kathleen Robertson about her early acting career in Canada on shows like Maniac Mansion, her big break on Beverly Hills 90210, and her pivot to writing shows like Swimming With Sharks. Toronto Mike'd is proudly brought to you by Great Lakes Brewery, Palma Pasta, Ridley Funeral Home, the Waterfront BIA, Blue Sky Agency and RecycleMyElectronics.ca. If you would like to support the show, we do have partner opportunities available. Please email Toronto Mike at [e-mail].

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I'm under the impression, and it kind of makes me giddy almost. I feel like you have no idea what's going on or where you are. Can you confess right now? I don't. Because somehow, in the projectory of your career, you have found yourself in a South Atobico Basement with some guy in a Sloan t-shirt and you don't really know what is this, what is it about? Fuck, I'm doing. Confession's good for the soul.

So I'm going to just, well, you know this, but we're going to just talk about a few people who made this happen. Because how did this happen? It's not like I went through some PR channel and said, I need Kathleen Robertson on Toronto mic. No. I, you want to start? So, so why are, how did you end up in this South Atopical basement, Kathleen Robertson? Ah, well, so I, um, I was told by two friends that I had to do this. Wow.

Yes. You must like really respect these people. I do really respect both of them. And I do really, um, so Tom, Wilson is Tom Wilson yes who has the most amazing voice ever um yeah Tom Wilson and then Rob Pruse both told me that I that I needed to do this um oh my God have you have you listen to it it's amazing oh my God oh my God you got to do it it's the coolest thing ever you got to do it I feel pressure now like I need to deliver because those two people you mentioned

Tom Wilson and Rob Proust and I have another guy who said has a connection to you. I got some great notes for you off the top. But like these two people are such valued FOTMs. FOTM means friends of Toronto Mike. Yeah. They'd say they're on the Mount Rushmore. They love you.

Please slow down. I know you said you only have an hour. Can we do 45 minutes on how much Tom Wilson and Rob Proust love me? Sure. But so you get these, I don't know, texts or whatever from Tom Wilson and Rob Proust and they're both saying you've got to go on Toronto Mike and you're like, okay, like you just I feel like no I mean I wasn't like I wasn't like okay I kind of was like yeah yeah yeah yeah and then like six months went by and then it was like have you done it yet no I haven't done it you gotta do it yeah yeah yeah okay and then you know it just kind of became a thing where I I I was like I guess I do need to do it just to get them off your back right I mean I um I think you are very loved oh like people genuinely love

what you're doing. So that's amazing, you know. Well, that's the clip I'll excerpt and we'll, you know, do be a cold open for the next episode. But do you mind a moment here. I want to just play a little bit. I can't, it's pretty long. So I'm going to play a little bit of the Tom Wilson supercut where Tom Wilson says the name Toronto Mike. So just a little bit of this. Hi, Toronto Mike. Slightly under the weather, Toronto Mike. Congratulations. Everybody vote for Toronto Mike. but records that I love Toronto Mike are kind of blue by Miles Davis

Muddy Waters folk singer I was a little bit like Toronto Mike at the podcast awards because Toronto Mike when I was a kid in reality at the age of 64 Toronto Mike

so please give us your Tom Wilson origin story like when do you meet Tom how do you know Tom So Tom Tom is with Margo Burnell who's one of my oldest friends Yeah I grew up with

With Margo And yeah And she's a sweetheart Yeah she's great And I was living in Los Angeles And when his book came out They sent me the book And so beautiful scars

Yes beautiful scars And so that was kind of my introduction to him So that would have been God I don't even know when maybe seven or eight years, nine years ago, maybe, 10 years ago? Okay, now, I'm just going to check my notes here. I have a note from Rob Proust here. Rob Proust says, so thank you to Tom, if Tom's listening.

Tom, I feel like your palm of pasta lasagna should probably end up with Tom Wilson. The man loves his palm of pasta lasagna. I have one in the freezer for you, Kathleen. He told me to make sure I got it. I knew he'd score that. Honestly, he loves his father-in-law, Andrew, I want to say is his name? Big, big palm of pasta head. Amazing.

all of them. But Rob Pruss, who you know, because we're similar, you know, he was the keyboardist for the spoons. Oh, I remember. But this is what he wrote. I find this interesting. About you, Kathleen. Her sister is married to my best friend. She used to watch us practicing in her basement when she was about 12. I intersected with Kathleen at her sister's wedding in 1990. We were both in the wedding party. That's right. Oh my God. That photo is amazing. Can I get His hair is amazing. He did have amazing hair. He really did.

I had a huge crush on him when I was a little girl. And he, yeah, he was in the spoons. And he had his best friends with Jim, my brother-in-law. Okay, what a small world we live in. Because Rob's here once a month. He lives in New York. He was the cutest. He was so cute.

And I just thought he was, and he was married. And I remember always checking in when I moved. You know, I'd be like, is he still married? well I can give you updates on this like I can text you honestly because I've met his his wife Leah yeah she's been down here this was a different wife yeah well he's bad like he's had a few apparently but he's very happy right now but if that ever goes south I'll let you know I'm married very happily well you never know what happens with you like if both your marriages go south right yeah you guys could meet for coffee or something okay so we got Tom Wilson

yeah really I'm going to spend an hour talking about Tom Wilson and Rob Proust but there is another gentleman I want to shout out I call him the VP of of sales, not that he closes any deals, but his name is Tyler Campbell. And Tyler sent me a picture of your grade nine, what do you call that, yearbook photo. And he goes, me and Kathleen, circa 1987, grade nine at Hillfield Strathallon. Yeah, how do you say that, Strathallon? In the Hammer. My question for Kathleen Robertson, what does she remember from her year at Hillfield?

And where did she go from there? He means immediately afterwards, because he goes, I next saw her on Maniac Man Okay. And we were all pretty excited that we knew her. And he puts in parentheses. I have no expectation that she'd remember me because I don't think we ever talked. But that's Tyler Campbell from 1987. Oh my God.

That's so funny. Yeah, I went there for two years. I went to Hillfield for two years. And yeah, I think Maniac Mansion was around, was kind of the reason why I left, because then I was off, you know, making a TV show. So I was not in school anymore. So this might be a good time. to, like, get your origin story as an actress, as a performer.

Like, when did you realize, hey, I want to act? Like, was this something you wanted since you were very, very young? Like, when did this bug? Yeah, I weirdly, um, I weirdly sort of always knew I wanted to do it from the time I was, like, 10. I think 10 was kind of the start. And, you know, lived in Hamilton. Dad worked at a furniture.

My dad was an interior designer. I worked at Patterson. You're not an Epo baby? No, I'm not. You're taking notes over here. Yeah, like just was like, I want to do this. And my parents thought, how is this ever going to be possible? And slowly kind of started doing a little bit of, you know,

theater Aquarius and some plays. And then first job, first, like, professional kind of acting job was at 10 for the National Film Board. I did a movie that Norman Jewison was involved in. What a big name does. start with. It was pretty cool. Yeah.

That was my first thing. Okay. Yeah. So you're like a child star. I am a child actor. Not a child star. No. We don't have stars in Canada.

You know what? That's a great. Which is why I'm not, you know, which is why I'm actually somewhat sane and normal. I'm sure if I'd been a Disney child star in the U.S. I would not be sitting in your basement right now. And again, nothing could be too personal here. But do you live in Canada?

Um, so I, I'm pausing. I, I have a, I have a house in Los Angeles and I have a place here too. Okay. So you, yeah, I'm kind of both. Okay, so, but right now, obviously, right now I'm here. You're here. Okay, so in your place, and again, I don't, you don't have to be too specific, but we're, we're not in Toronto, right? You stayed in, like, Hamilton?

You mean where I'm staying right now? Okay. Yes. No, I'm not in Hamilton. Okay. But I'm not in Toronto. Okay. They want to say where I am.

I just wondered, you know, growing up in the hammer or something. I'm like near, yeah, I'm like, yeah. I live in the country right now. Move into the country. You're going to eat a lot of peaches. Yep. Move into the country. Okay, I do know when I had Dave Thomas on with his brother Ian Thomas, a couple of legends.

And I just said to them, you guys are from the hammer. And they both got their backs up and they said, we are not from the hammer. We are from Dundas, Ontario. Oh, that's hysterical. Do you make a distinction? Well, I am from the hammer. Okay. True Hamilton.

But I do understand that it is a total distinction. Like, if you're from Dundas, it's totally different than being from Hamilton. Can you explain for us, idiot, Torontoians, like, how, what is the distinction? Like the identity difference? Yeah. Okay. So Hamilton, Ancaster, and Dundas, which are all kind of are completely different vibes. Hamilton is

Hamilton. Is Hamilton like a Tom Wilson vibe? I mean, I feel like it's a me vibe. Like, and maybe Tom. And maybe Tom. Yeah, like it's a, there's a sort of like texture to it. It's like a grittiness.

There's like a toughness. There's an edge to it. It's very like, you're from Hamilton. It's like, it's a thing. If you're from Dundas, it's a little bit more art. It's much wealthier for one. And, like, the people who live there have more money.

It's more, it's a little bit more artistic. Okay. A little bit more hippie. And then Ancaster's, like, rich, white people. Okay. Again, I'm taking notes over here, Kathleen. And I want to know everything. I'm also going to take this opportunity, a little bit of a fun fact for some of the listeners.

I'm playing in the background. I'll bring her up. So this is the, do you know what this is, Kathleen? I have, of course. It's Jane Sibri. Yeah, okay. So Jane Sibriy. one of my favorite episodes

of Toronto Mike Devere was chatting with Jane Cibbery. Oh, she's amazing. So you've had the pleasure of meeting, Jane. Yes, and this was our theme song for Maniac Vaches, which was so cool. I remember, like, I don't know if it would have been Eugene Levy or Mike Short who kind of engineered her doing it.

But I remember it was a thing. Like, everybody was pretty stoked about her doing our theme song. She has a fascination with cows. Next time you are in her presence, just talk to her about cows and she'll go off about cows. Yeah, she's always had a fascination of cows. I'm giving you the lowdown here on these Canadian grades here. Can you tell me a little bit if you don't mind about working with Joe Flaherty?

Oh, God. Oh, he, I mean, he was. It's weird to say was in past tense because he, Um, obviously passed away. Uh, not obviously, but he passed away. Um, which is still sort of hard for me to wrap my head around. Um, he was the funniest, the kindest, the sweetest, the smartest. Um, yeah, I loved him very, very, very much. And he was a very, very dear friend of mine up until the very end of his life. No, I'm sorry for your loss. Yeah. Great loss. for all of us, but especially those who knew him personally.

What's interesting to me, I doubt you were there. Maybe I'll find out right now, but they did that SCTV reunion at the Winter Garden Theater. Oh, yeah, with Martin Scorsese. With Martin Scorsese. I was not there. I was, my family all went, though. Yeah, I wasn't not able to go. I was in L.A. and I was working on something.

But, yeah, no, it sounded like it was so cool. Were you there? No, so I was not there, but I've talked to many people who were there who tell me it was Great. And I always am curious. So your family enjoyed this. Yes. Oh, they all went. Yeah. Everybody went. And they said it was really, really cool. And I don't really know what happened with it. Well, this is the million dollar question. It seems like Martin Scorsese got distracted by other projects. Okay. And this footage all sat on a shelf. And I heard maybe he's given this footage to Jimmy Kimmel's company to make something of it. But as you know, Kathleen, because we sadly lost Joe Flaherty years ago now, Like, this stuff is getting dustier and dustier. It's kind of amazing that this was filmed. It went well. Yeah.

And, I mean, Rick Moranis came up for it, and he doesn't do a lot of stuff anymore. And he doesn't really depress for it. And we don't get to see it. Like, where is it? It's so weird. I know. I thought maybe you could make a call or two. Do you have Scorsese on SpeedDunk?

I do not. So good experience on Maniac Mansion. Yeah, great, great experience. And this, in terms of your career, this is your, first, like your first big, your Canadian big break anyways. Yeah, it was my first big. I mean, we shot 66 episodes, which is a ton. And that's a big name, Joe Flaherty. And yeah, it was a big, it was a big deal for me. And it was, you know, it was such a cool, it was such a cool show. Every week I got to do different characters and sort of morph in and out of, I mean,

it was a bit of that SCTV thing. Like, they would give me, they would say, okay, this week, you're doing Juliette Lewis from Cape Fear. And I would sit and watch that movie. a hundred times and get the retainer and build up my nose and put on the wig and you know it would be like every week delving into totally different characters so well kathleen very cool you know what hamilton institution it sounds like you're describing there the hilarious house of frightenstein did you ever see this or maybe we and me we lost you too young so they was airing on c hc all the time okay i don't think i know so it's a guy named billy van who's sadly no longer with us but But Billy Van would just be different characters.

They would bring in Vincent Price. I think they had them in like once a month to film everything in like a one day. Was this ultimately what Joe, what, like what that was based? I believe so. I believe so. I think it was. Yeah. Now I know what you're talking about.

I never actually saw it. Okay. What a key part of my childhood was like just flipping the die. We had nothing, you know, remember no internet, no whatever. And we're flipping around and CHCH would have hilarious house of Frightenstein. And Billy Van would be like dressed as a big, a witch or something. and he'd have a cauldron. It was just, it was just bizarre.

Oh, my God. So there you go. I want to go and see if there's, there must be footage of that on YouTube, right? Oh, for sure. Yeah, I want to watch that. Frightenstein here. And I want to ask you about a Toronto actor here.

And then obviously I want to talk about your big American break. And then we're going to cover a lot of ground because I've been watching a 90s series every night. I was turned on to you after I watched the pit. And I want to talk about you pivoting to writing. A lot of ground we're going to cover in this hour. But you worked with Corey. Hame?

Yeah, Corey Hame and Corey Feldman. Okay, well, I did a movie with them. So, which movie did you do with the quarries? It was called Blown Away, and it was insane. Can you elaborate? I'm just, we lost, talking, losing somebody too soon. Corey Hame died way too young. Yeah, he was a Thornhill slash Toronto guy.

Yeah, no, I did, I actually did it on my hiatus from Maniac, mansion. So, you know, two months off, actor allowed to go do what you want, got offered this movie. It's the two Corrie's at the height. I mean, they were as big as you could get at that time. Well, I remember. And it was crazy. Yeah. And yeah, it was, we shot in Toronto and it was a whole thing. People weirdly still, to this day, asked me about that movie. Well, I just did. Yeah, you just did. I just did because when I have somebody over who worked with Corey Haim, I sort of can't help myself.

Like, I just was a good experience working with the Cori's? Interesting experience. Let's hear how Kathleen Robertson answers this question. It was an eye-opening experience for a girl from Hamilton, who was still living at home with her parents. And, you know, getting driven into the city to shoot a scene where, you know, Corey's I mean it was

it was it was it was it was eye opening it was um you know they were they were they were they were really famous and had a ton of money and they were doing a lot of drugs and having a lot of fun and I was

just kind of you know in the back of I have one funny memory of a night where we all went out to a club and I was you know literally 60 I was totally underage And we went to a club in Toronto

And it was when Corey Feldman Which still is actually But he was, you know In his full-blown Michael Jackson Like head to toe like full outfit Right And we were in a like I mean it was so

I don't even know what year it was But we were in like the back of a of a limbo It was like the white stretch limo With like the rotating colored lights And we go to the club And Corey's like People are losing their shit it. Like, oh my God, it's the two Corrie's. And Nicole Eger was dating. She was in the movie, too,

and she was with us. And Corey Feldman just literally got out on the dance floor and started fully doing his Michael stuff. And people were losing their minds. And then I went back to Hamilton and went to sleep. And you went home and you called the, the Corey hotline. And, yeah, hung up and fell asleep on the line there. But I was more into Corey Feldman than Corey Haim. Like, I was like kind of fixated, fascinated. Well, he was in Stand By Me. Yeah.

And he was just, yeah. Like, I feel like, like, so Hame had a good career, a license to drive and a lot of, I can't remember now, but there was some big movies. But nothing like Stand By Me. No. And I just think there was something. Yeah. I mean, I still am sort of a little fascinated by Corey Feldman.

He's kind of, yeah. Well, he's nothing if not interesting. For sure. Maybe we'll get him on Toronto Mike. Yeah, I could probably hook that. Tom Wilson, can you hook that up? I can hook it up. Tom, if you're listening.

Get me, Corey Feldman, on Toronto mic, tier. All right, so obviously we need to cover a gig you landed that would make you a big star in the world, the United States of America. But can you tell me how you got the role on Beverly Hills, 9-0-2-1-0? I simply auditioned I walked in I did my read and it was a four or five episode role and then it turned into you know a whole thing well you were uh how do I say this you were kind of like a spicy naughty character that I feel like was a big hit it was a big hit for me and my friends yes she was kind of uh yeah she she she was loved and hate which I guess is a good thing. So there's like an open audition. I guess I think it's the end of season four, I believe, when you make those appearances.

But so end of season four. So there's just an audition. Like we're looking for this type of person to be, do you know the show you're auditioning for? I knew it a little bit, but I had never seen it. So I would never watch. So that's interesting. No hilarious house of Freitenstein or Beverly Hills.

No, I had not. I mean, of course, knew it. And I had seen, I knew who they all were. I'd seen clip it, you know, I'd seen it, but I'd never actually had watched it. It wasn't a show that I watched. Um, and so I called my friends and my sisters back in Hamilton and was like, okay, I'm auditioning for the show. My scene is with Brandon. That's Jason Priestley, right? Yes. Okay. Then I'm reading with this. My scene is with this character, which, who is that again? That, oh, that's Jenny Earth. Okay. So it was that kind of thing. Okay. And of course, Jason Priestley, not only a fellow FOTM, but a fellow

Canadian. Yes. Okay. Just a little bit of Claire Arnold, your character, just a little bit of her. So those who didn't, you know, maybe you're a little older or a little younger. This was right in my sweet spot. I watched a lot of non-o-2-0. I think it's because I felt like I was the same age as the characters. I also watched a lot of DeGrassey Jr. High. And I felt the same way about them. I feel like all these shows were like my age. I don't know if that's like a syndrome or if it was reality. I have to do some fact-checking. But here's a little clear Arnold. where are you there actually we'll that's not that's clear when she was just thinking in her head here's her when she actually taunts and here are the categories oh we start you off with Minnesota Oh I pulled this clip okay let's listen to this for a moment We have Walsh's

Twins Chancellor's Lackees Hot guys And finally presidents I'll take Minnesota Studs for a thousand The answer is he and his fiery twin sister Claire. Who is Brandon Walsh?

That's right. You retain control of the board, so pick again. Okay, I'll take Walsh's for a thousand. Answer. This Walsh, one of America's... Claire? Who is Brandon Walsh? That's right.

Another 1,000 for you, and that sound means you're out of double jeopardy, and Claire winds up with $52,000. Johnny, tell her what she's won. Well, Claire, you have won your very own Brandon Walsh. With movable limbs and combable hair, this Brandon comes complete with his very own Mustang and will provide hours of fun. I pulled this clip because it's a fun. I guess this is a dream.

You have a crush on Brandon Walsh. I'm starting to think. Yeah. Yeah. And fellow Canuck, Alex Trebek makes a cameo. Yeah, we filmed with Alex and we filmed on the actual set. And my mom and my Aunt Betty came to set that day because they were very excited to meet. That's a big deal.

Yeah. It was kind of cool. Yeah. Great Canadian. and all these great Canadians. Brandon Walsh is Canadian, technically. Jason Preeley, you're a Canadian, Alex Chebeck is Canadian.

So you get the 902 and O gig. How does that affect your career? Like now, you know, Maniac Mansion's a big deal for guys like me, but 902 and O, this is a huge American show. Yeah, yeah, it was kind of, you know, the biggest show in the world at that time. And so, yeah, everything kind of just literally, I mean, it's the kind of thing that,

could never happen now. Like, there would never be a show. Just in the way television's so fractured. The monolithic television culture. So fractured now. It's just so fractured and it's like there would never be something like that now where you could actually be like, oh, I'm doing this and overnight everything's changed where you can't.

Like, everywhere you go, people know who you are. It was very, very surreal. It was very trippy, yeah. So you're saying originally it was just like, I don't know, a few episodes you were going to do? Yeah, it was like five or six. And then at the end of that season, yeah, they just called and said, called my agents. And they said, we want to, you know, we want to make her a series regular.

And it's like, yay. Okay, so you show up, honestly, great for your career. So you show up at the end of season four. But then you're in season five, most episodes in season five has Claire Arnold in it. But you're not actually in that main cast, you know, at the beginning with the, hold on, I actually pulled it because we got to put ourselves in the place. So when this plays, we get to see, you know, you're not on that until the next season, right?

So it took a couple of seasons before they put you in, like, the main cast. I guess season six and seven, you're the main cast. You know more than I do. Because I don't, I don't remember the specifics of that. But I do remember the first time filming that thing that you're talking about. Yeah. This thing. Yeah.

No, look at me, this thing. you have to kind of tilt. It was very weird and very awkward. Very awkward. And we won't dwell too much on your time on 902 and O. Although I am curious why you departed the show. But while we have you on the show, anything, you look back on it with fondness.

Did you make any long-lasting friendships with the cast members? Any frenemies? What's going on there? Yeah. I mean, I think it was, it's been an interesting journey for me with that particular project because I think for so many years I was working so hard to distance myself from it and I was so kind of even just the sound of what you just played like that da-na-na-na-na-na I would be like oh yeah like I just I just you know and so it took me many years to

get to the point where now I actually feel like I'm totally fine talking about it I I like, like, like, I get it. Thank goodness. No, I get it now. I feel like I, I understand now why people are so fixated on it, whereas I didn't used to. Like, I kind of used to think, I'm so confused, it didn't make sense to me. But now I'm like, oh, I get it because it's, it's people's child, it's people's, you know,

it's, it's so defining for people and people feel so passionate about it. So now I'm like, okay, yeah, I get it. And I'm cool to talk about it. And, and it makes sense. sense and possibly not to be your armchair psychologist here but maybe it's because you are very young when you're on Beverly Hills 902 and you have so much good work ahead of you including you know writing and creating shows which we're going to talk about like you're going to evolve as a performer as an artist and it there might be that idea of like oh I got to go back to when I was a whatever

a teenager or whatever and talk about that silly teen show I did that everybody is excited about like I would feel like that could be annoying until you embrace the fact that, okay, this is how the vast majority of people discover Kathleen Robertson. For sure. And now it's like a thing where I almost, I like, I almost like talking to people about it when they want to know. Almost. Did I say almost?

I almost like talking. Because I mean, I could do half an hour. Let me put it this way. I've never done, like I would never do a Comic-Con or. like I'm not that person and when you know like I mean if you get to know me you would like I'm just not I'm not really a person that likes to think or focus or sit a lot in the past I tend to be more of a like I tend to be more of a like what's next even if it's like you know something amazing happens I am immediately like okay great so now the what's next and I'm sure it's a it's a problem no it's not a problem it's like a deficit it's only a problem it's only a problem when you get don't think about the past So it's, this is only a problem, Kathleen, when, I honestly, are we in therapy? This is only a problem, Kathleen, when two of your friends tell you, you have to go to this guy's basement for an hour.

And talk about my past. And he's going, yes, I want to talk about swimming of sharks. I'm good to talk about, I'm, I'm good to talk about the past with you because it's like that's, people are curious and it's, you know, but I'm not a person that like, lives in the past. Sits and reminisces about like, oh, remember that time or remember when we did. this or yeah i'm a little bit more like what's next i get it like i've met people they do make typically though you've been wonderful typically that mindset makes for a lousy podcast cast to be that whole idea i i can tell you did you ever watch much music oh yeah so the first time i invited erika m to come over yes she's like i won't talk about much music but how did you know that because

subsequently oh yeah i'm guessing you nailed it you nailed it i'm like i used to kind of be like that, though, about 90210. But how do you have a hour? I would just say, I don't really want to talk about it. But now I'm totally, you're getting me now where I'll tell you anything. Ask me anything you want about it and I'll tell you. Well, anything. One shot.

How is, how was your relationship with Tori Spelling? Amazing. So still very close. And it's still great. I love her. She was the nicest of everybody. She was the funniest. She was the kindest.

She was the one that like totally welcomed me. in a way that a lot of people didn't. Because we joked earlier. No, I love her. Your dad was sold furniture? My dad was an interior designer. I worked at Patterson's in Hamilton. But I made a,

I made an offhand comment about you're not an Epo baby. I'm not. But I was thinking of Tori when I said it, only because her dad created the show. Yeah, yeah. And it was a huge, it was very hard for her.

Like that was a very hard thing for her. But I love her. I'm glad to be. And I used to be, as the Canadian there, like, I didn't celebrate American things. so I would go to the Spelling Mansion for Thanksgiving dinner every year and they would they were very lovely and welcoming and and I have nothing but amazing memories about that. Okay. Well, I'm happy to hear that.

She was so fun and is so fun. So my connection is I've never met Tori. I'm sure I would love her too. But I did produce a show for her now ex-husband. Oh, yes, Dean. And her, and sorry, in his first wife, Mary Jo Eustis, I produced their podcast. Oh, interesting. And I, I, so I'll just say, I did record 11, I think it was 11, it could be 11 or 12 or 13, but I recorded 11 episodes.

Okay. And after I dropped the second one, I got a email from Dean saying, I'm tapping out of this project, my, my, I basically, basically season, like, don't drop the rest. And they just live on this laptop over here. Like, I have all. Because he was, oh. So there's, you know, you can read between the lines, but this is before the separation. But so I have never met Tori spelling. But my only engagement is sort of this secondhand, like, kind of messing up our plans, but not, you know, directly to me, obviously.

But who knows what's going on there? I'm glad, I mean, again, I'm sure Tori is a lovely person and I would love this woman. But I only know her ex-husband. Yes, okay. Who is a Toronto guy, as you know. Yeah, I do know that. All right. So that, by the way, that they were calling that.

They were both in on this. It was great. We had professional photos and everything done. and it was called X's and Uh-ohs was the name of this podcast. And the premise was basically, can exes who have a tumultuous history, thanks to tabloids, etc., become friends.

Oh, it was like a recent podcast. Oh, I thought you meant it was like... Oh, no, no, it's recent. No, so now you're connecting dots in your head here. Now you're connecting dots. So much love to Tori.

To change the 902 and O channel, you have lost a couple of prominent cast members. Again, this is a continuing theme brought to you by Ridley Funeral Home, but far too soon, I'm thinking, of course, about Luke Perry and Shannon Doherty. They're gone. Yeah.

It's so young. These people are my age. There are age, I should say. I know. It's very, very, very, it's hard to believe. But you didn't, it's hard to believe. Can I ask you, was Shannon gone before you got there? No, she was leaving.

So it was like a weird, awkward, you know, seeing her in the makeup trailer kind of thing, knowing that, oh, I'm leaving and you're coming in. And you're kind of, although you're playing clear, but you're kind of there to be the new brunette pretty brunette naughty kind of girl like yeah yeah so it was a little weird it was a little weird but she was she was she was amazing and she was you know she was such a force and yeah it's just so sad so sad and uh but more shocking because that means very shocking to lose shantanid but we knew she was very sick luke perry i think i woke up one day with i couldn't believe it i'm

like luke perry yeah that's just a shocker right yeah that was totally Totally out of left field. Nobody saw that coming. Jeez. Yeah. Good gracious. Okay. And was he a decent guy?

Great guy. We're kind of talking about a LaHunx. He was a great guy. Like he would walk into the trailer with his cowboy boots and his, you know, no shirt and jeans and all the girls would just be like, what the hell just walked in here. Wow. Like he was something. And he made a Simpsons cameo. He was lovely.

He was so sweet. He was such a good, such a good guy. And he was on a show I watched called John from Cincinnati. Oh, yeah. That was a good show. Yeah, it was only one season. Yeah, that was a really good show. That was a really good show.

And I think it's the only time that the guy, I was in Dylan McKay would meet Zach Morris. Because Zach Moritz, the guy who played Zach on, Tori's first show, by the way, was not 902 and O. Tori was on Save by the Bell. Yes. Yes. And Zach Morris, Mark Paul Gossilar?

Mark. Yeah, Mark Paul. Okay. He was in this John from Cincinnati. Oh. Okay. So we're going to get off 902 and O. because I can already hear your thinking, Mike, move on.

So, can you please, because we only have an hour. I'm not. But I am curious, how, why did you, why did you depart? Wait, so we're going to keep talking about nano-2-1-no? No, this is the last, this is the last note on Nanotino. And then I'm promising you're like, no, Claire, I need shit given to me. You just called me clear. Oh, my God, because I'm reading the word Claire Arnold.

You just called me Claire? Kathleen, I'm going to fix it in post. Okay. Mr. Black. I forgive you. Why did you depart from, I have to do a good job here, or Tom Wilson's going to pick up the phone and yell at me um why did i leave i left because well i did 99 episodes which i think is so funny not 100 99 i got out well for way and i i just was ready to do something else

like i just genuinely i kind of just genuinely was coming at it from a place of you know i was so young and i was just like oh my god i don't want to do this anymore it's just but you're on a hit done. I know, but I didn't care. I know, but I didn't care. I just wanted to be, you know, and it was a different time. Like, TV wasn't what it is now. Like, being on a TV show at that time period was kind of bad. Like, nobody wanted to be on a TV show. You wanted to be doing independent film. And so that's what I went and did. So, okay. So you just, I do know what you mean. Like, until like the premium television kind of showed up, TV was like lower class. Oh, yeah. Low. Oh, yeah. It was super, yeah, super low. You didn't want to have to go to your TV. It meant you were failing as a film star. That's right. Or you just, yeah, it was just, you didn't want to be on TV.

Okay, so you leave 902 and oh, I guess that's after season seven. You depart the show. Okay. You're going to go, take my word for it. You're going to do some indie films. You're going to sort of scratch your creative artistic itch. Yep. Do you scratch an it?

Yes, you do. Okay. And I'm curious at what point in your career as an actress, do you, realize I want to write? It was, so I'd always, I mean, it'd always been a person that wrote and just kind of threw stuff in drawers. Like I would write a script and throw it in a drawer and not let anyone read it and write a script. And I optioned a couple books and wrote scripts based on them and then never, again, never really did anything with them. And then I was doing a show

called Boss with Kelsey Grammer and you're very good in boss oh thank you so much it was kind of the job that when I left 90210 you know all the years after that of all the like indie films and the sundance movies and the you know all the different sort of jobs that I did after that it was all kind of in search of finding like that job as an actor that was like so creatively satisfying and and that was kind of it when I booked that job it was Gus Van Sant it was it was incredible the writing was absolutely beautiful and anyway it was during that period though i was living in chicago and the show was really critically acclaimed golden globe nominated you know he won the globe and the show was nominated and we were it was it was really really exciting time

for me creatively as an actor but i still was like uh what not like again that what like okay i've done this now what and i always knew that my sort of big picture dream was always I wanted to be a showrunner. I wanted to create my own TV shows. I wanted to write my own stuff. I wanted to be, you know, that was what I really wanted.

And so I kind of just set my mind on that and just really started chipping away at it. And that was kind of, yeah, that was kind of the period, though. It was, I think, being on that show, which was kind of like, okay, this is kind of as good as it gets as an actor in the television space. You know, like this is, like if it's not this, it'll be something else like this. And so that was kind of what made me go,

okay, well, clearly I need to sort of do this if I'm going to do it and stop thinking about it. I'm going to drop a name on you. I teased it earlier because I watched the pit. Did you watch the pit? Yeah. Okay. So I watched the pit and then it made me remember how much I enjoyed watching ER when it would air on like Thursday nights on NBC at 10 o'clock. Yeah. Yeah. And then I went back and started streaming. I've been doing this for the last couple of months, just streaming old ER episodes. And this is a long-winded way of me asking, what role does John Wells play

in your writing career? Oh, so John bought the first scripts off of me that I ever sold. And John mentored me and helped me

get into the showrunners training program at the Writers Guild of America. And he was kind of yeah he was kind of him and his executive Andrew Stern had a big deal at Warner Brothers and they read a script that I wrote that I gave to my agents and I was like okay I'm going to try and do this guys

I know you think I'm an actress and I'm not going to be able to really be a writer and I know people don't take actors seriously when they say they want to be writers but I got to do this and so yeah that was he was kind of the first one that really validated and was like oh yeah no you're you're it's real you're real writer what a big name in this world i mean i just shared a couple of shows he uh yeah no he's wrote and created he's the real deal for sure he's amazing okay like a mentor of sorts yes for sure amazing for sure i am going to play like a little trailer for a show i would like to love to ask you about but i do have a

couple of quick hits here real quick on our way one is that you know we mentioned you mentioned 99 episodes of 902 and 0 and then I made a Gretzky comment but you played the wife of Gordie Howe. I did. In Mr. Hawkey, the Gordy Howe story. Yes. So I'm just curious about your career because you start in Canada. We talked about a maniac Mitch. I didn't even talk about the Campbells, okay? Oh my God. I do produce a show. It was so little. So you were like, yeah, that's like a little baby on that show. Baby Kathleen Robertson is in the Campbell's. So little.

So when you're, but you have a Canadian career until 902 and 0 essentially, right? Yeah. 9.2 and0 now you're. Moved to L.A. when I was like 19, got 90210 and then yeah. But the Gordy Howe story

with much love to our American neighbors, but this is really a CBC thing. Yeah. And that, I remember that offer came in. I mean, I was living in Los Angeles and the offer came in and they, you know, they were like, you might want to do this.

I feel like there's something telling me you're going to want to do this. And I was like, yeah, I want to do this. Of course. And you won, I don't know what this is. You're going to tell me, a Leo award. I don't, I don't know. You have it on you? Is it in your purse or something?

I don't, I don't know what it is really. Actually, that's not, what is it? Okay, I don't have that info. I thought for sure you'd know what it is, but basically might go. So that's probably part of it. But is it a Canadian thing? A Leo? Yes.

It's funny how I never heard of the. these Leo's. We have Canadian Screen Awards, right? Uh-huh. Which we place like Gemini's and the Genies. I think, am I not right in saying it's for... Film? Film. Yeah. So, okay, so this biopic, which was on CBC, Mr. Hawkey, the Gordy

Howe story, you won Best Actress. You won Best Actress at the prestigious Leo Awards. That we don't know. This is like a Christmas story when he had the prestigious award with the leg lamp, remember? Oh, yeah. The dad was so proud. Oh, yeah. And he would kept saying, it's a prestigious award. You could just say, you know, tell people about how prestigious the Leo awards are.

And you've got a best actress. Thank you. I'll take it. I'll take it. But is this part of, so is this a moment where you're like, oh, I can still work in Canada too? No, I mean, I've always kind of gone back and forth. Like I did a movie about Evelyn Dick here many years ago called Torso. Like that was like a passion project of mine that I really.

really wanted to see happen and push to get make that happen um i've always kind of you know i did bruce mccullough's movie dog park here like i love dog park i've done a lot of stuff here over the years how was it working with bruce i've always kind of come back and forth oh i love bruce he's the best he's so funny you send him over here i tried i've taken multiple stabs at uh bruce mccullough i will ask him i will try for you this is how it works tom says you have to come on and you need to pay it forward now yeah i will i'm actually going to try he should he should he's He was just at Blair Packham's house. He probably wouldn't want to come physically here, though.

But why not? Like Scott Thompson spent two hours down here a couple of months ago. Why won't Bruce McCullough come down here? I'm going to ask him. Like he's too big to visit a basement. No, not about big. It's not about big. It's less about big and probably more about,

I feel like people are lazy and they want to just do it on Zoom now. I know. Like everything's just like, oh, why would I want to go there? Like, can't I just do it on Zoom? Do you wish we had Zoom this? No. Okay, because I, you know, Zoom is an option for everybody. Do you ever do Zoom?

Once in a while. I'd say 5% of episodes are like remotes and there's a combination of factors that have to click in for me to do a remote. And I, for Kathleen Robertson, for example, when I first got the initial text from Tom Wilson saying, you need to have Kathleen. Because I got the same text you got, I think. Yeah. You got to go on Toronto Mike's show.

I got the text, you need to have Kathleen and I said like sold. But it was important to me that you visit the base. right like I feel like I can't get the same no for sure it's a different it's a yeah so Bruce can visit the basement I'll try okay I'm gonna try for you thank you so Bruce who I love kids in the hall so it's I'm just shepherding out dog park which I thought was great yeah and you were great in it but there's another quickly uh Donald Shabibh so Donald Shabib who we lost as well a father of 40 yep oh yeah yeah oh yeah so one of the great movies is a down uh down the road again yeah yeah And then they came and said to me,

would you do the sequel with Dawn and the whole original cast? So Jane Eastwood, who played my mom in a movie for the National Film Board called Left Out. And? Also played, yeah. So I've worked with her twice.

I love her. And she's, she was in Down the Road again. Yes, she was. She had a nude scene in that and I asked her about it. The original one, yeah. Yeah.

But she also was married to Joe Clarity's brother. Yeah, she's married to Joe's brother. Mm-hmm. I love Jane. She's amazing. Do you do an imitation of Jane? She's got a great voice. Oh, she's, I actually don't, let me see.

Oh, no, I can't do her. It's too early. I already sound like her. Listen to my voice. I sound so. Is that morning voice? I don't know, actually. I was sanding stairs in my barn last night until like midnight.

So I think that my sand, like the dust from sanding got in my lungs. But aren't you filming something today? Yeah. So, I don't know, when you, when you film something and you sound like Jane Eastwood, is that, is that, oh, yeah, it's okay. It is what it is. It's like when you're in the middle of a show and you get your hair cut and it's a little bit shorter and it doesn't match. You just kind of, you just go with it. Are you allowed to mention the show you're filming today?

Yeah. Okay. Reacher. Yeah, I'm doing Reacher. But that's a big show. It's a very big show. Yeah. Biggest show in the world is what they tell me.

It's the biggest show in the world. That's what they're telling me. That's what they tell me. All the shows you're on are the biggest shows in the world. Right? Biggest shows in the world. So to wrap up the down the road again, so what was it like? Because he, down the road, the original, I would catch it on like city TV, late great movies or something.

And I was mesmerized by it. Like I could watch it over and over again, you know, some like maritimeers coming to Toronto for the jobs. Yeah. It's great, great SCTV spoof about it too. But you're in like the sequel. Yes. What was it like working with Donald?

Oh, he was, did you interview him? No, I just, I had Peter Gross interview him and then come on and play the clips because Peter Gross was in the follow-up to Down the Road, which the title will come to me later. It has an exclamation mark in it, but anyway, the fall. Wait, the one that I was in? No, that you're in the sequel, but this was the movie he made after Down the Road. So you're in Down the Road again, which is the sequel, many, many moons later. Okay, this was like a different one. But Donald Shabee, Don was great. I mean, Dom was like super noble.

bullshit, hardcore, just, like, I, I loved him. I love people like that. Like, he's kind of my vibe. He's very just like, I don't fucking care, do what I want. Like, he's just tough. He was just tough. He would have no, he had no bedside banner, but I, I like that. I mean, I love people like that. He was not a Canadian quote unquote in a good way. Like, you know, that's a whole other, that's a whole conversation. That's your sequel episode of Toronto Mike, where we dive into all that. The Canadian stuff. Yes. Yeah. It's such a thing. Quick notes on the live stream. I didn't check until now, but a quick question from Mike is, can I ask you about what it was like working on the expanse? Oh yeah. The expanse was really cool.

It was, do you know that show? No. Yeah, so it's a, it was a sci-fi show. It's the only time I've ever, I've done only like a little bit of sci-fi. And we, it was for Amazon Prime. And it was, it was very difficult because the dialect was really, really hard for me. Like, I really struggled with the dialect. And then I had to wear this helmet that was very claustrophobic. So it was, it was kind of a tricky one for me. I wouldn't say it was, I wouldn't say my memories of it are effortless. It was a little, a little challenging.

Well, they can't all be. Yeah. Wonderful. So VP says Kathleen was also great in torso, the Evelyn Dick story, which you mentioned. And he says it's a classic ham. Hamilton story directed by another H.S.C. alum. Alex Chapel. So Alex, this is a funny thing circling back to the beginning of the interview. Alex is from Dundas. Okay, not Hamilton. And so when Alex and I met and started working together, I said, oh my God, I remember from Hamilton. He's like,

no, I'm from Dundas. So people from Dundas don't want to be from Hamilton. By the way, the movie I couldn't remember that Peter Gross was in after down the road was called Ripoff. So I got to make sure the gross heads don't complain to me. So I'm going to play a little bit. I'm going to play a lot of it, actually. This is a trailer for a show I'm dying to ask you about. And let's play that right now. What you think means nothing. What you feel means nothing. You are nothing. You're an intern. Best day. Is that obvious? I'm going to need you to. Sorry. You're here in service of Joyce Holt, CEO of Fountain Pictures.

What color were these resold? Black? The original color was red. Therefore, they should have been resold. Red. Get in here. Careful. Proximity to greatness is intoxicating. I just want to do something beyond dog walking and lunch orders.

He was so much more than an assistant. Our hearts go out to his family during this difficult time. She pushed him too far. His death is on her. Looks like somebody got a promotion. In Hollywood, there are stories of love. Not cheating.

All of this is mine, and I choose to share it with you. Success. You thought you could spend as much of my money as you wanted, where you thought wrong. Where we live happily ever after. This, I see you. Is not one of those stories. Swimming with sharks. Kathleen, what's your role in this television series?

Swimming with sharks. I created it. This is it, right? This is the dream. Yeah. You did this. And I heard a voice, I heard many, I loved Mad Men, and I can hear a familiar voice from Mad Men.

Yeah, Kiernan Shipka. Donald Sutherland. my dream was his last kind of it was his last job well I'm glad you got that opportunity

so how did swimming how did this come to be and are you like are you the showrunner as you say? I am I'm the showrunner so you created it I created and I wrote every episode

this is your baby it was was okay well it was it still is I suppose but so and this was on the Roku channel no it's so it's on Amazon Prime here

you can watch it on Amazon yep Gotcha. So basically, can you give me a little bit of the story of how you came to fulfill this dream, showrunner, creator, writer of a series? Well, it was years, you know, years and years in the making in terms of like the writing stuff. Like from the time I sort of started to write scripts, sell scripts, I, you know, it's like anything. It's like you have to sort of pay your dues, right? So I was, wrote a lot of movies for various big actresses, wrote a movie for Julia Roberts, wrote a movie, you know, wrote a movie for Charlize, like did sort of all the, the big jobs

that would then help me get to this place where somebody would actually trust me to make a television show. So yeah, I had an overall deal at Universal for writing and creating stuff. and this kind of came out of a relationship with Lionsgate. They came to me and said, you know, we want someone to re-envision this movie from this old movie. It's Kevin Spacey movie. Yeah, and I passed on it several times, and I was like, oh, I don't want to do that.

It's a cult classic, and I don't want to fuck it up. So I kind of just said, no, no, no, a bunch of times. And then I finally was like, well, I mean, if I could make it two women instead of two guys, maybe it could be cool. so that was it so now that you you did that yes and you mean those are big names that's a big production and you got to be the showrunner you're the creator you're the writer now you did that you proved like hey look what i did Kathleen Robertson more than just clear Arnold only an asshole

whatever call you Claire because you're clearly a Kathleen okay but it was fixed in post no one knows what I'm talking about oh my god I love it you got to keep it now okay that's an ongoing joke where I say, and fix something in post. And you never do. I will not ever fix that in post. It won't happen. But so now, what's the next creation

of Kathleen Robertson? Well, I have a show called Blessed Sacrament that I sold to CBC that I'm doing with Sphere who is an amazing Canadian Toronto-based company.

They have that new show Wayward on Netflix that's premiering soon. So I'm working on that. And I also have a show called Apri Ski that I sold to Peacock that I'm flying to LA on the 18th for

and sitting down with them. And so we're going to start writing the second episode now and we're going to start figuring out cast and all that kind of stuff. And then I have a moot. I have tons of, just tons of various projects.

It's so hard to get something made. That's what I'm really realizing more than anything. You know, I made swimming with sharks during COVID and we were shut down and we had to come back after COVID and, you know, I thought, oh, I'll be making another TV show within a year and here we are all these years later and the industry's fallen apart and we've had fires and strikes and a huge contraction in the industry to the point where it feels like nobody's going to make anything

anymore. So it's been super, super challenging, but I am hopeful and optimistic that one of these various projects is going to happen. Well, I'm sitting here. I'm thinking like, okay, I'm sitting beside Kathleen Robertson, like, you're a known entity. So if you're having such struggles, I always think about, okay, how do the unknowns make something? Yeah, it's funny because it's like it's not, I wouldn't say the struggle is in selling things. It's like you sell things, but then the struggle is like where I'm at right now, which is I have two shows that are like very close and ready to go. It's just about getting that additional

chunk of money. And these are both going to be on CBC? No. One of them is Peacock. Do you get Peacock in Canada? I don't think you get Peacock. No. I don't know what Peacock would be here. I don't know. It's a Crave maybe? I don't know. No, Crave gets me all the HBO stuff and the Showtime stuff. I don't think it gets me. But I don't know. Anyway, yeah, it's, it's an American

show. So it's... Okay, so the Apprae Ski is the CBC one. No, no, no. Apri Ski's the Peacock American one. And then Blessed at sacrament is CBC. So on your wiki page, which is highly inaccurate maybe, but it says you sold a new series to CBC called Aprae Ski.

So I can get we can, if that's, so maybe that's It is, yeah, it's it, yeah, it's not with CBC, it's with PECA. Okay, so this is a note for Rosie Gray Tio. We have an edit to make on the Kathleen Robertson wiki page because there's some bad info here.

Okay, now I'm on our way out here. I know I said an hour and I'm a man of My word, Kathleen. How was this? So when you arrived, I knew right away. I've seen that look before, okay? Gino Vanelli had the same look when he was at the door. Okay?

So she's not sure, she has no idea what this is. She was told to come here. She's doing someone a favor, sort of. No. And you're here. No, I need to know how the last hour was. Like, other than the moment I rudely called you Claire, how was it? Totally chill.

Totally nice. You want to do another hour? I could do 15 My goodness Now, so you live in both sides of the border Yes I don't know, how is that being in 2025 When we're at war

It's insane It's crazy It's insane I'm very grateful to be here Who side are you fighting on when it comes down to it? What do you think? Tom and I are lining up at them Take a guess

It better be It better be Canada, Cass Kathleen. It's always Canada. Okay. And nobody's, maybe not now, but maybe back when it was at its height, were people making jokes to you about the 51st date thinking it was funny? Oh. And did you punch them in the nose? Oh, yeah. It was a whole, people still do. People still make jokes about it. Punch them in the nose if they do that. Punch them in the nose. So, Kathleen, I got to say I thoroughly enjoyed my hour with you. I hope I didn't go too hard. My fear when I do this is that I'm going to spend.

50 minutes on 902 and 0, and that's not cool. But I feel like we covered a lot of ground. We got to know you better. Yes. And you tried to get me drunk here with these drinks. Oh, yeah. Thank you. You're good at this.

I have fresh craft beer for you from Great Lakes Brewery, Kathleen. Amazing. Brewed right here in southern Etobico. Amazing. So you got some fresh craft beer. You have a lasagna, but I guess that'll go to Tom Wilson. No, I'm going to keep it. Good for you.

Good for you. You can come over and have a bite. I have a measuring tape for you from Ridley Funeral Home. You never know if you have to measure. Maybe you're doing a wardrobe fitting maybe for a rich. Such an interesting choice. You can connect those dots. But shout out to Ridley Funeral Home.

And I just want to give a very, very quick shout out to Toronto's Waterfront, BIA. We have an episode coming up. We'll talk more about what's happening on the waterfront. There's still some summer left. What is this? September 11th. We got a little bit of summer left. I want to let people.

know about Recycle My Electronics.C. That's where you go. If you have old cables, old electronics, you don't throw it in the garbage. You go to Recycle My Electronics.C.A. and welcome Blue Sky Agency. Right, Doug. He's Doug Mills.

Doug at blueskyagency. C.A. Let him know if you're looking for creative work environments. Everybody's been sent back to the office, Kathleen. I don't know if you're following that. So talk to Doug. He's a sweetheart.

He's a good FOTM. And you are now an FOTM. And you are now an FOTM, Kathleen Robertson. Thank you for dropping by on your way to, I'm sure, a busy day with Reacher. Reacher, thank you. Any dirt on Reacher, you want to spill on our way out? Have you watched it?

No. You know what, there's too much, Kathleen. There is a lot. There is a lot. And I'm watching old ER episodes. And I'm shooting the fourth season. So you would have three to watch before mine. I can't do it.

Also, I have an addiction to cycling every day and I got four kids. I got a lot going on, Kathleen. I don't have time for all this television. I hear you. I hear you. That's why I don't, you know, I don't either. But I will make time for Kathleen Robertson Productions. I got to catch up on swimming with sharks.

That looks really cool. Yes, thank you. And you despecified it, which is a good move. What's that mean? Well, because there's some stink on the movie because of Kevin Spacey. Oh, yeah, yeah. You know, you just change it up and de-spacify it. Oh, spacify.

Yeah, I invented a word. Yeah, I know I hear you. And that. And that. brings us to the end and that you ever pass cross paths of stew stone fellow child star

stew stone yeah who's stew stone I'll tell you after and that brings us to the end of our 1,760th show go to Torontomike.com for all your Toronto mic needs much love to all

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