Toronto Mike'd: The Official Toronto Mike Podcast - Kick Out the Kick Out the Jams: Toronto Mike'd #433

Episode Date: February 15, 2019

Mike chats with KOTJ spreadsheet owner Tyler Campbell about Kick Out the Jams episodes of Toronto Mike'd.

Welcome to episode 433 of Toronto Mic'd, a weekly podcast about anything and everything. Proudly brought to you by Great Lakes Brewery, Propertyinthe6.com, ATM Canada, Palma Pasta, Fast Time Watch and Jewelry Repair, and our newest sponsor, Buckle. That's B-U-K-L. I'm Mike from TorontoMike.com and joining me for a very meta episode of Toronto Mike'd, where we kick out the kick out the jam episodes of Toronto Mike'd'd is Tyler Campbell. Hello. Welcome back, Tyler.

Fantastic to be here. Astute listeners will recognize those glorious pipes from the episode we recorded on the anniversary of Gord Downie's passing. That was you. That was me. And a lot of people wrote me to say that, I don't know who this Tyler guy is,

but he sounds like he should be on a microphone. And that was your first ever broadcasting experience, right? It was. I had always wanted to be a broadcaster when I was a kid. And for various reasons, I didn't end up going down that route. But hey, who knows? Maybe late in life, this is where I'll end up. Listen to yourself, man.

You belong in front of a microphone. Unbelievable. Unbelievable. I'm going to pale by comparison, but that's okay. No, no, not at all. My name is on the name of the show. That's right. It's like, what are they going to do?

But you're the guy. I think, yes, you were on the Gordone tribute episode, but you're the guy who might be best known for maintaining the definitive Kick Out the Jams Google spreadsheet. I always wanted to be known for a spreadsheet and I've managed to achieve that. So I feel pretty good about it. So tell us, okay, let's start with that. So that's an amazing resource i use it all the time and anyone who gives a rat's butt about uh kick out the jams episode knows to go to the the google spreadsheet to find out like it's like an almanac and find out like the names of everybody's jams and so why don't you tell us a like like what's in that document and b like why are you doing this

i'm not paying you like why is happening? Although we should talk about that. Well, you have food and drink. You have given me food and beer, so I can't complain. So tell me about this document. Yeah. So it's a Google spreadsheet. So it's just a publicly available resource

that I started. I think you were about maybe six or seven episodes in when I thought I should go back and do this. And what you can find there is a list of every episode where you've kicked out the jams, who the guest was, what the songs were, the artists.

And then there's some stats. So there's a list of the number of times each artist has been played. And then there's some fun facts like the country of origin of each artist, the gender of each artist, the year and the decade that they're from. So you can really dive deep for any super geeks out there who want to get into it. As for why, I mean, there's a few reasons.

The format really grabbed me right away. Just, you know, the idea of getting inside people's heads to see what they like and why they like it really helps you understand someone. You know, iTunes used to have, years ago, they used to have celebrity playlists and it was always fascinating to me. You know, I really needed to know why Vanessa Hudgens loved Hoobastank. That stuff has gone away, but I still wish it existed somewhere. And so this is kind of, this kind of exists in a plane of its own. And it's a great way to discover new music. We'll talk about that a little bit later. Yes.

And I also have a lifelong love of tracking things for some reason. Actually, when I was in university, I took the NHL record book and I retyped all of the stats for every player because I wanted to have a sortable database. Wow. So I found out... You're a natural born archivist. Yeah, I guess I am. I guess I am. But I have a bit of that myself.

Yeah. I tend to do that too. Yeah. Every Pearl Jam concert I've been to, I have the set list so I can see how many times have I heard Evenflow live. You know what I mean? Yeah. I love knowing that stuff.

So that's, I think, kind of what drove me to do this. I love knowing that stuff. So that's, I think, kind of what drove me to do this. And it's a fun little distraction and fun little hobby. And every seven days after the episode comes out, I make a playlist both in Spotify and iTunes, and I get all the stats up there. Like, for example, you just did the Stu Jeffries one yesterday. Yes, that's right.

So you always let me know it's updated and then I tweet out to the people. I got to say, I think it's fantastic what you're doing there and it is exactly the kind of stuff I crave. And I always think like Kick of the Jams, it's interesting because I might have a couple of weeks or a few weeks where I don't actually do

a Kick of the Jams episode. Right. And then there could be a week where I do like three or four Kick Out the Jams episodes. So it kind of comes in waves. Yeah, there was a stretch. I'd have to go back and look, but I think it was maybe last summer where you had two weeks where you had maybe four or five episodes.

And I got flack. Like, I'll be honest with you. There are certain people who don't love the Kick Out the Jams the way we do. I think that they need to seek help. What's wrong with you? But I get it. And then there's people like, are these Kick out the jams somehow are they cannibalizing like the the the deep dives that people seem to dig whereas they don't realize it's actually not like

it's not like i'm choosing one or the other they're kind of like uh uh coexisting so it's like these are just you don't i mean if theoretically you can cherry pick right in fact this episode i was thinking so tyler's coming over we're to kick out the kick out the jams episodes. And I was thinking, this one's really for like, this is for the loyalists. Yeah, the audience may be small for this, but that's okay. Small is a relative term. Like, there's three types of listeners. There's the one-offs.

Like, when Caroline Shved's episode dropped, all of her like fans and family members all dove in and listened. But I don't know, I don't think many are like subscribed to come back to hear anything else. They kind of, I'm here for Caroline. Okay.

There's those guys. There's like those blue bird bombers, whatever. And then there's the cherry pickers. There's people, they're subscribed, but they don't listen to every episode. But if they are interested in the guest,

they're like, oh, I would like to hear this episode. Michael Grange is coming on soon. Oh, I want to hear about Michael Grange and the Raptors. Bang, they're going to listen to that. And then there's the subscribers who are like the regulars, I would call them the loyalists.

And they listen to pretty much everything. Yeah, I would phone to that guy. This episode is for those guys. Yes, yes, definitely. And that stuff is bonus content. As you said, you can definitely cherry pick and skip the Kick Out the Jam episodes. But I really don't know why you'd want to because I think the deep dives are great because you have a really good conversation with people. But I think you find out even more about people by understanding what music they like and why they like it.

Agreed. And I've humanized more than a few beasts. I don't know if you're up to date on this. I I am. Wilner, for example, Mike Wilner, probably one of the first few. He was the second one. Second one. Okay. So let's give love to Mark Hebbshire. Yes. Number one. For being number one out of the gate. Yeah. Mike Wilner was number two out of the gate, but he's the one that gave me the shower thought, as you say. This gave, this sparked the whole, like, I want to do that. Right. And

so, thank you, Wilner. But on, speaking of Wilner, just yesterday, the press release came down from Rogers that Wilner is now, it's official, he and Ben Wagner are your two play-by-play guys for the Toronto Blue Jays on the radio. That's fantastic. And we kind of know, like, if we connect the dots,

we know, like, from things said by Scott Moore and even from Mike himself, that because Wilner was a polarizing figure on Jay's talk... Oh, take a note. I said polarizing figure. Check that off. We're going to talk about the bingo card in a minute. I got to do that with you.

So because Wilner was a polarizing figure on Jay's talk, he couldn't be a play-by-play guy, a regular play- because Wilner was a polarizing figure on Jay's talk, he couldn't be a play-by-play guy, a regular play-by-play guy because you have to be like likable. Does that sound right? Yeah.

And by Wilner, he said himself that his appearances on Toronto Mic'd make him more likable. And I think he's eager to do as many as like every time I invite him,

he's happy to come on. He thoroughly enjoys it. And it makes him more likable because, and now with this announcement that he's got to come on. He thoroughly enjoys it. And it makes him more likable because, and now with this announcement that he's got the play-by-play gig with Ben Wagner, I would argue mission accomplished,

right? This is, him kicking out the jams has helped his career. He now has his dream job. Absolutely. You did this for him. Thank you.

That's all I'm looking for, Tyler. I was just waiting for that. I got to get to that bingo card first. But let me, so you're a listener. Like I should tell people, we don't go way back. We didn't go to high school or anything together. You, you're literally, you reached out as a fan of the podcast. That's right. So tell me how you discovered Toronto Mike. Yeah, it's, I've been a listener for, geez, back to when you were in double digits in

episodes, I think. And I can't really, I think I saw a specific guest that you had on. Alan Cross. Might've been Jeff Merrick. Okay, yeah, he's a really good guy. Yeah, so just happened upon the podcast by looking for that person and was hooked right away.

I just thought it was a great resource and a great way to get to know some local Toronto figures and I've been a loyal listener ever since. And you were hoping at some point maybe I'd get Ann Romer on the show. Well, I mean, that was always the dream. That's the center square.

That's why I'm purposely doing this to help out the bingo. I'm too conscious of the bingo. Yeah, yeah, no, we got to fill it out. So let's talk about that briefly. So I'm wearing a t-shirt, which will show up hopefully in the picture we take. It's large.

I take medium. This is a large t-shirt. It's hanging off you. It's hanging off me. I need to... Blousey, I think you might. It's a blouse. Tyler, just say it.

I'm wearing a blouse. It's a blouse. This is the Royal Pains shirt. The Royal Pains played TMLX1 and TMLX2, which are the Toronto Mike listener experiences at Great Lakes Brewery. The Royal Pains played TMLX1 and TMLX2, which are the Toronto Mic Listener Experiences at Great Lakes Brewery. And I was at lunch yesterday with Al, the lead singer of the Royal Pains.

I took him to lunch at Orwell's at Islington and Bloor. I don't know if you've ever been there. I've driven past it and never been in. They serve Great Lakes there. They had Octopus Wants to fight on the menu. Now, so why am I talking about Al? Because Al spent, just like you've taken some of your own personal time to come up with some factoids and some interesting things

we're going to talk about before you kick out the jams. I don't know if I mentioned that yet. But Al Grego took some time to put together a Toronto Mike bingo card. Have you seen this bingo card? I have. What do you think of the bingo card? It's great. It's very appropriate and sort of

crystallizes the fact that there are some topics that you return to on a regular basis which is okay. That's fine. Everyone needs a signature. And I think the bingo card captures your signature. Apparently I have 50 signatures, maybe 100.

I don't know. That bingo card is getting bigger every day. I check the comments on that. Yeah. And like everyone's coming in with new ideas. Like what about this? How do you feel about it? Okay.

So my first thought was that it was hilarious. Very funny. I thought it was very funny. I like to be roasted. I really enjoy that. But then I had this very... I became self-conscious of it all for a little period of time. As the suggestions rolled in,

and I started thinking, when I record next, which is this right now, how aware am I going to be of those things on the bingo card that I repeat? But here's the thing. You're a listener. We become friends. I like you. You came on for the Gordownie episode. You have these great pipes. So now you're more than a listener.

Now you're a listener friend or whatever. But when I'm meeting somebody like Mishy Mee, who's coming over next week for the first time, if Mishy Mee, if she accidentally says it was worth the drive to Mimico, how do I, like, what am I supposed to do? Like, suppress my innate desire to point out the fact this is New Toronto, not Mimico? I think you got to lean into it, Mike. Yes, right.

And then at some point, she won't probably, but who knows if she were to mention the Shanna plan. What am I supposed to do at this point? I've never met Mishy Mee before. We've never talked. I don't think she listens to Toronto Mike. She's mentioned Brendan Shanahan. I have to point out he went to Michael Power. I mean, how can you not point that out? There's so

many things like this. So I know people are enjoying the bingo card. I think it's very funny. I won't let it influence. If anything, I will lean into it. That's probably what I will do is I will start hammering these, even if it just makes like the Beats and the Livy Femkes and the JJs happy or whatever. Yeah, I'll lean into it.

But I thought it was funny, and I just wanted to make sure we gave Al some love. I mean, you're a polarizing figure, Mike. So it's one of those things that is bound to happen as you rise in popularity. So, you know, take it as a compliment. Okay. You know the synonym for lady

that starts with a W? Say it for me. Woman. Right. Okay. Okay. So if there's only one, what is that word?

Singular? Woman. And what if there's multiple? Women. Say them both again back to back. Woman. Women. Okay.

Do you hear the difference? You don't hear the difference. I do hear the difference. I just can't say the difference. I wanted to take you to task on your pronunciation of something else, if I may. This is off script. Yeah, go. Everything's off script.

Say hot dog. Hot dog? Yeah, there it is script. Say hot dog. Hot dog. Yeah, there it is. Say it for me. Hot dog. I'm saying like hot dog. Hot dog. Yeah, yeah.

I had friends when I was a kid that would say it like that too. And I wonder, I've always wondered what it is. It's just like some regional accent. Yeah, you're right, bud. Oh, come on. If we start really digging in here, we're going to have the biggest bingo card in the history of the world. You know the thing is,

I'm not supposed to be broadcasting now. That's the thing. This is all, how did this happen that we're on episode, what did I say, 433? I'm the last guy who should be doing this. So now there's 433 of these pieces of audio and some of them are like two and a half hours long

and I'm blabbing a lot on these things. This is unnatural. This was never supposed to happen. I can't even say hot dog, right? Come on. This is an abomination. I mean, at least

you don't say acrossed like Pat Tabler does on the Blue Jays broadcast. Oh, Pat Tabler. Yes, Blue Jays coming up.

It's going to be all Vlad all the time, by the way. Yes. Yeah, not until the end of April, though. So, hey, congrats to Wilner. We all knew this when he came on at 425.

He's great. But congrats to Wilner. Before you dive into some, can I call them fun facts? Absolutely. It's another bingo story, I think. So these fun facts about Kick Out the Jams episode. And we're going to even play some songs. We had a lot to do here.

But let me start right off the top by giving you... See, this is off the top, 15 minutes in. Why don't I give you the six-pack of Great Lakes beer, buddy? Fantastic. I love Great Lakes beer. They make excellent beer. I'm excited to do it. We've met on the patio a few times.

We have. Yeah, yeah. And it's a great spot. Excellent patio in the summer. Enjoy some gardener traffic and sunshine. How beautiful view of the gardener. No beautiful view of the gardener. No better view of the gardener in the city, by the way. Which TMLX did you attend?

Two. Okay. What do you do in June 27? As of right now, I'm available. Okay. Just put it in pencil right now and I'll tell you when to put permanent ink on this sucker. There's going to be a kick-ass TMLX3

on June 27. Excellent. And more details soon but this is actually going to be like bigger and it's going to be amazing. It's going to be amazing and it's also my birthday but that's not why it's that date. That just seems to be a coincidence. But yeah, bring a gift for me if you will. Well, yeah, sure. I'll take care of your first beer

and you bring me a gift. Fantastic. So put that, everyone listening, put it in your calendars. Great Lakes Beer is a fiercely independent craft brewery located here in Etobicoke. 99.9% of all Great Lakes Beer remains here in Ontario. I saw it at Orwell's

Pub yesterday. They had the octopus. It's brewed for you, Ontario. Also, this is something new. You didn't get this, right, when you came to talk about Gord? That's a large meat lasagna, my friend. I love large meat lasagnas. Palma pasta. They have four locations in Mississauga and Oakville.

I'm most excited about Palma's Kitchen. This is their new location. Well, I say it's new. It's right beside. They had a hot table that. This is their new location. Well, I say it's new. It's right beside, they had a hot table that was right beside this new location. So I guess technically it is a new location because they bought a new building. But it's at near Mavis in Burnhamthorpe. Go to palmapasta.com to find out where it is. They got the hot table. You can get the pizza, the cappuccino, the espresso. They got seating so you can eat there and enjoy your lunch or dinner. But you can also,

it's a retail store too. You can get the fresh pasta, bring it home. There's the lasagna. That's the meat lasagna. That's the staple, man. That's amazing. And good on you for picking meat. I asked Miss Shimi, you know, vegetarian or meat. She's like, all she replied was in her text, I eat meat. Beautiful. So I got a message received. Carnivore. That's good. Me too. So enjoy the palma pasta, please. I will.

Let's go into the time machine right now. This is always fun to do. Remember the time, Tyler, on this day, 50 years ago, 50, before we were born. Yes. The number one song on the Billboard Hot 100 was this. wrong my own beliefs are in my own song the picture the figure

the drama and then makes no difference what group I'm in I

am everyday people yeah yeah now it's not Arrested Development this is

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And today I wish I did because my phone died on the way here. Oh, yeah. So that's a fun story. So when your phone died, you had no way to tell me you took the wrong bus. I did not. And you were far away. Yes. And you went to a...

Luckily, you had a laptop with you. Yeah. So I was able to find a Starbucks and duck in there and pick up the Wi-Fi for 30 seconds and send you an email. Because you didn't, of course, you didn't bring with you your phone charger. Of course not.

You know what? I'm going to show you. I already wrote about this. You might have read about it. But this case charges my battery. Oh, yeah. I used to have one of those. It's amazing.

Yeah. I can, theoretically, I could go three days without plugging this in because it's, this guy's charged up and he charges up the phone. It's amazing. Yeah. I can, theoretically, I can go three days without plugging this in because it's, this guy's charged up and he charges up the phone. Those are great. Got it for Christmas.

Love it. Because I use these battery hogging, like, GPS apps. Oh, yeah. When I go biking. So now I never have to worry about being without battery. Everyday people. battery. So I'll be brief here. I want to tell people that there was a big snowstorm on Tuesday. This happened. You might remember. Everything got shut down. School was canceled. They canceled daycare. It was a whole thing. I had a TMDS nursery

school here, I guess. Daycare happening here. But they cancelled the big meeting at PSR Brokerage, which was going to reveal the plans for what's happening to my beloved Galleria Mall. Love that place. I can't wait

to find out. I need the specifics. So Brian, I guess it's been pushed out a week, so it should be happening on Tuesday. As soon as Brian Gerstein from Property in the Six has the details, he's going to share it with me. I'll share it with you. We're covering this. This is 24-7 coverage. There's no bingo square for this because, of course, it's tied to propertyinthesix.com. But I'm legit. Even if Brian wasn't a sponsor, I'm legit curious about what's happening with the Gallery of All Developments.

I'll keep you all in the know. Go to propertyinthesix.com to talk to Brian if you're looking to buy and or sell in the next six months. And if you want him to let you know the details about the new Gallery of All Developments, yeah, phone him, text him, email him.

Contact Brian. He's Raptors devotee on Twitter. Heck, talk about that exciting Raptors team. That's amazing too. But Galleria Mall. Center of it all. Center of it all. All right, let's talk a little bit about,

before I thank a couple more sponsors, I want to, Tyler, maybe we can a couple more sponsors, I want to, Tyler, maybe we can start here. Where do you want to begin? Take over here. Sure. Yeah. So one of the other things that is great about tracking these episodes is that it generates some trivia. So I have a couple of trivia questions for you to see how well you know these episodes. Am I paying attention to these episodes? Okay, I'm ready. So, question number one.

There have been three songs that have been played three times each. Can you name any of them? Good question here. Can I name any of them? I'm going to go with a Bob Seger jam. I feel like I've played that a few times. Yes, you are correct.

And it's the one that Sarah Bosveld sang. Yeah, that's right. Not Night Moves. Yeah, Night Moves. That was Night Moves. Yeah, nice. And yeah, I remember, because I think Cox maybe, Damien Cox. Yes, yeah.

Do you know who the other one was? Oh, Brad Fay? No, Troy Burch. Troy? Troy? Speaking of Great Lakes Brewery, Troy Burch. I always remember Troy. He brought out the Garth Brooks.

I'm like, let's go, buddy. Yeah, yeah. I like this game. Okay, give me a couple more. Do you know the other two songs? Oh, I forgot. That's okay. I can tell you if you don't know.

I do want to take a stab at this. How about... Oh, my goodness. Is there a... The Bruce Springsteen song? Yes. Okay, okay. Is it Born to Run?

No. No. It's... The River? No, what is it? Thunder Road. Thunder Road. Yeah.

Okay. And then one more. One more. Okay. I'm doing all right here. You are. I'm doing all right here with the artists and stuff. So I'm thinking artists

frequently come up. How about something that Elvis would have kicked out like an epic song and not like a November Rain but how about something to that effect? I would think maybe

and I don't know. How about Led Zeppelin? No. I don't know. Tell me. It's Day in the Life by the Beatles. You know what?

How about that? That's actually my favorite Beatles song. There you go. I should have guessed that. There you go. Okay. That was good. That was good.

You did well. Okay. Only one person has kicked out all 10 jams from either one country or one decade. Do you know who it is? I feel like this is intentionally done by Stephen Brunt. That's correct. I feel like he went all CanCon. He did.

Because he is part of that Newfoundland festival, which is for Canadian singers and songwriters. No, songwriters. Yeah, Woody Point Festival. Woody Point, that's it. Thank you. So I feel like that's my answer. Yes, you are correct.

By the way, how many Kick of the Jams episodes have there been so far? Well, this is the 60, well, now you're putting me on the spot. So you're in the early 60s maybe? I think it's 64, I want to say. When I was 64. Yeah, this is 64.

Yes, so there have been 63 before today. Okay, cool. Okay, last trivia question for you. You could do the whole episode. We could. We could. Well, we can do another one. Two people have had the honor of kicking out the elusive 11th jam.

Oh, yeah. Who are they? I think Wilner did this. Did he accidentally send me 11 and I played all 11? No, you only played 10 for me. Okay, okay. All right. Did we let Dave Hodge do it?

No, not even Dave Hodge got the elusive 11th jam. Okay, so somebody must have accidentally sent me 11 and I was too nice to tell them they had to kill a jam. Who the hell was that? Steve Simmons? No. Okay, tell him. I give up.

So, Sofia Yerkshdovich. Oh, I would never say no to Sofia. Yes. And then the other one is someone who's very close to you. Jarvis. Yes. Oh, sweet Jar one is someone who's very close to you. Jarvis. Yes. Oh, sweet Jarvis. He gave him the Paw Patrol theme song. Oh, that's right. The bonus for Jarvis. By the way, this interesting thing. So, Jarvis

was three years old when he came to the other jams and my youngest is turning three next month. So, now there's this whole interesting thing where you can actually... This is what Jarvis was able to do on his broadcast when he was Morgan's age. So, it's almost unfair to Morgan because Jarvis was able to do on his broadcast when he was Morgan's age. So it's almost unfair to Morgan because Jarvis was like a savvy professional broadcaster

at the age of three, right? He was good. Like he's my third kid to hit the age of three. And I don't think the other two, maybe Michelle, maybe actually, I shouldn't say that. But yeah, I thought he did a pretty good job. He was great. Yeah, that's a great one. Stayed on the mic. Not bad.

Yeah. Not bad. But the thing is that Morgan's turning three next month. I can't imagine her staying on the mic. Really? Yeah. I can't imagine it. All right. You did very well in the trivia section, Mike.

Oh, I enjoyed it. I'm proud of you. So let's talk a little bit about some memorable episodes. I mean, they've all had their moments for sure. For me, there were a few that really stood out. How about for you? Are there any that stick out in your mind? I, okay, well, that's, I mean, there's some people who kicked out jams that really resonated with me.

Like, I got to say, I really liked Ed Keenan's jams. Like, they just, because I have, okay, so my ancestry, I guess, my heritage is Irish. And for some reason, maybe that's a big part of it. But I always, I always like the Pogues, for example. Give me a dirty old Pogue song or whatever every day of the week, something grimy old Pogue thing. I kind of like that Celtic kind of rock kind of flash over. And I felt like Ed Keenan kind of nailed it.

Yeah, Ed had a lot of that. Keegan had a lot of those as well. But Brunt, I really liked Brunt's because a lot of his CanCon jams were like, I mean, whether it be Hey Rosetta or The Weaker Thans or whatever,

like these are artists that I just totally think are really cool. Yeah. I liked his. His were great. He also had a lot of Hamilton content

which speaks to me as a Hamilton native. Right. Let me, you put me on the spot myself. I'm trying to think so many 60-something jams kicking,

but I've enjoyed most of them. Yeah, absolutely. There's been a few that have been off the mark, but that's fine. But I really enjoy kicking out the jams

with people, even if I don't like the song that they choose. Well, that's just it, right? It's getting a window into who these people are and kind of what they think about

and what's dear to them. Remember, Peter Bullock kicked out a Pitbull song. He did. And even that was fun. That was a fun episode. He seems like a fun guy. Yeah, Peter Bullock kicked out a Pitbull song. He did. And even that was fun. That was a fun episode. He seems like a fun guy.

Yeah, was that Cake on the Beach? Well, that was that Jonas Brother song. Yeah, I think, I can't remember the Pitbull song. Once or something. Yeah. Some episodes for me that stood out, the Sarah Boswell episode, which you mentioned, she has an excellent voice and she sang along.

Oh, and she picked lowest of the low, even though she's younger than us. Yeah. So that was a great one. Schultz was another one. Okay, can I tell you, I learned a lot from Schultz. Yeah. Because I don't know much about the blues guy, the old blues guys. Yeah.

And I only came, two things about the Schultz episode. And one is that he taught me a lot about the blues and it was really educational and a deep dive into the blues. But I guess I'm stealing your thunder possibly, but talk about opening up through your jams.

Oh, yeah. That final jam by Schultz, man. You can't listen to that without cutting onions. Yeah, that was heartbreaking and really brave of him to open up like that. And, you know, I would imagine

cathartic for him as well. But that definitely made that episode really memorable. Absolutely. The other one that really stood out for me in a really fun way was Vic Router. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Where he sort of told his journey through his life through song. And I didn't know he was going to do that

the way he did it. So it's like on the fly, I kind of had to adapt that. Oh, I see what he's doing. Like after the first time, because he'd be go, and we turn on the radio in the kitchen and it would be tuned to this.

That's a pretty good router. I know. I really like, I got to add that to the bingo. Yeah. Because I think they have the Andy Frost impression. Yes.

Which you're right. I do that. Somebody suggested, I think, Aruj Islam, and I think he's right. Spider Jones. Oh, yes. But I can only say Spider Jones like Spider Jones. And there's a third one that I can't... I'm not going to come up with right now. But I'm going to add the Vic Router. Yeah.

Yeah, that's a good one. Yeah, those were great. Those were great jam kickings. For sure. And I like, you know what, even though he called me a turd in the basement since then, I really liked the Mike

Stafford. That was a good one. Yeah. He had some really cool songs as well. Yeah. Even though he called me a turd.

He did call you a turd in the basement. After such a great experience kicking out the jam. Are you on speaking terms with Stafford? He wrote a comment on

the open mic in which he kind of explained where he was coming from and then I never heard from him again. Well, there you go. I don't know if he'll be at TMLX3,

but I'm going to invite him anyway. Yeah, why not? Why not? He's not far from here. Cool. So the other thing that I mentioned earlier

was another great thing about these shows is that it introduces you to music you haven't heard before. Yes. So have there been any songs that sort of come to mind that

you were introduced to? The answer is yes. There are artists I've been introduced to through Kick of the Jams that I now revisit regularly. I'm just going to play one. We can talk over this, but this is one that Dave Hodge kicked out

during his first proper Kick Out the Jams episode. Hey, yeah, hey, yeah Friends and romance countrymen Hey, yeah, hey, yeah Hunts and skins and journeymen Hey, yeah, hey, yeah My sisters and my brother and the time is coming near we'll talk a bit about this because i'll bring it back up in a moment because uh this i really

dig the jam but then i discovered the artist and uh again i never claim to be cool like i don't ever pretend somebody on on Reddit said, I'm not sure Mike is the sports expert he thinks he is or something. Oh, yeah, I saw that. What was up with that? Oh, I copied and pasted a fun fact from a Sportsnet press release that said Wilner was the first play-by-play guy on the radio to be born and raised in Toronto.

Yeah. Okay? Straight out of the garage's press release. Sure. And then on Reddit, they thought, oh, I don't know my sports because I, what about Dan Schulman? Oh, okay.

But Dan Schulman, I think he's like a spot guy. Like he's never been a regular. He comes in and does the odd episode here and there. Yeah. So I don't think they counted Dan Shulman. But this whole notion that I've somehow pretended to be a sports expert, no way. Never. And in the same vein, I never pretend to be like a real cool music aficionado.

I did not know anything about Frank Turner when Dave Hodge came on. Dave taught me a lot about Frank Turner. We played this song, which is called I Still Believe. And the song kicks ass, but the artist kicks ass. He's great. Frank Turner's amazing. Yeah. And actually, that episode turned me on to Frank Turner as well.

I was aware of him but didn't really know his music before, and I listen to him quite a bit now. Agreed. Let me hear this part. Now who'd have thought that after all something as simple as rock and roll

would save us all? Now who'd have thought that after all it was rock and roll? So this is a heavy track. It gets even better, but people seek it out. Oh, this part's not right. Part of it, Tyler, is like, where am I supposed to be discovering Frank Turner now? Like, I'm really kind of lost. Yeah.

I feel the same way about TV shows and stuff, too. Like, I feel like we now live in a world where there's the paradox of choice. Everything's at your fingertips, and you have no idea where to start. Yeah. And I think what Kick Out the Jams does is it kind of brings you back to those days when your friends or your siblings or whoever would say, hey, this is what I'm listening to, check this out.

And you get introduced to things in this way as opposed to trying to figure it out on your own, which can be daunting. Or even just your radio DJ would sort of like... Well, yeah, exactly. You know what I mean? Like now everything's so fragmented and there's, you know, everything's streaming

and I find it difficult. And I know you can go to certain places and they'll curate the content, but I don't know who like, who's my guide. Like, who's my... Who do you trust? Guide, et cetera. Yeah. Something as simple as rock and roll would save us all.

Now who'd have thought? After all, something so simple, something so small. Who'd have thought? After all, it's rock and roll That should be the kick of the jams theme song. That's a great song.

But here's another jam. Now, this guy's a local guy. So that's Frank Turner, introduced to me by Dave Hodge. I mentioned I thoroughly enjoyed the Ed Keenan jams. Here's a local guy. I'd never heard of the guy. And this jam is like, kicks ass.

Of course, yesterday was Valentine's Day. I should have played it then. And again, it's got that Irish influence, of course. Yeah. Pogues-esque, but more. Nice long intro to talk over. This is Kevin Quain. Right.

Yeah, yeah. Mr. Valentine's dead. Yeah, I'd never heard of him either, and he's never heard of me either. You don't know that. Mr. Valentine's dead when he's drinking Manhattans, singing a coal miner's tune. In his daddy's tuxedo and Fred Astaire shoes, he's the best looking corpse in the room. He's the best looking corpse in the room Mr. Valentine's dead and the angels are waiting Down at the end of the bar Well the drinking martinis are laughing and

nothing Smoking Havana cigars. Have you ever seen dead men dancing so lightly? Did you ever hear corpses sing? Mr. Valentine's dead and the angels will take him but not till he's finished his drink. Yeah. So what the hell is that?

Like, where did this come from? It's right up my alley. I totally dig it. I spin it all the time. This guy is just playing like he's just, I mean, Keenan says he's a regular at like, you know, just local. Yeah, I think he plays the Cameron House quite often, which is a great little spot.

So how many of these guys, and I'm sure there's hundreds of them, but how many of these guys are just right under our nose, down the street? You can listen to them for the cost of a pint or two. What the hell? It really speaks to the amount of talent that exists

that we don't get exposed to. So again, it's great to have Ed Keenan come on and play this song and expose it to a new audience What about you? Do you have any jams you discovered? I do, yeah I didn't tell you what they were

so that's my fault but a couple, yeah Sandy Denny which was kicked out by Sean William Clark another great episode a song called It'll Take a Long Time. It's really beautiful and kind of haunting. Her story is really quite tragic.

And her voice is kind of ghost-like, almost. It's really a beautiful song. And then the other song, which... And I'm not into metal really at all. But that Pantera song that Biff Naked played, Walk, was pretty great. I could see listening to that sort of as a pump-up kind of a song.

And we didn't really have, remind me, you're a GTA guy? Yeah. Okay, so we didn't really have a station playing Pantera in the circuit. No, no, not at all. Maybe late at night or something. I don't know if there was a metal show on cue or not.

I don't think so. But anyways, yeah, so it's kind of like I feel like that's a bit of a gap in my anthology. It is. Yeah, for me as well. I mean, I used to, when I was growing up, I would sometimes listen to Hits FM out of St. Catharines, Polly Morris' station. Sure. And they would play heavier stuff a lot,

but I don't even know if they would play Pantera. But that was great, yeah, and it was great to hear Biff. And that's the other thing, I like it when the guests sing along to it. That's just like, yeah, please. But yeah, continue. Any others you want to give a shout out to? Those were the two that really stood out for me. I mean, there's tons that I was sort of reminded of that I hadn't heard in a long time.

A lot of Springsteen, which, you know, I've never really been a huge Springsteen guy. A lot of Springsteen. A lot of Springsteen, which we'll talk about in a minute. But yeah, no, it's just been great to really get exposed to all kinds of different stuff. I find sometimes when you stick on these headphones and you're with somebody who loves a song and you play it, even though you've heard that song a hundred times and never really thought anything of it,

when you hear it like almost through their ears, suddenly you start to like the jam. That happened to me with a couple of Coldplay songs. Like I've always been, I like the first album by Coldplay. Yeah. And a lot of jams on that first album, I really like, oh, I call it a jam. Somebody said that should be a square on the thing that I call jams. But you know what? Because Chris Partlow in The Wire, he's like, you know, he's a cold-blooded killer.

And then he has that moment where he's listening to the song in the car, and he goes, that's my jam right there. And ever since then, music, tunes are jams to me. But anyway. Okay, so. Oh, yeah. So I'll hear a song that I've heard, like a Coldplay song I've heard a hundred times and thought, oh, that's fine. That's a fine song. But then you'll hear it, and i'll hear a song that i've heard like a cold play song i've heard a hundred times and thought oh that's fine that's a fine song but then you'll hear it and you'll hear it

differently and all of a sudden you're like oh yeah i kind of like that song yeah or mr jones is a good i mean mr jones was a massive hit and i i guess i was into what i thought was cooler music at the time and i thought that was a bit like poppy and weak so like at the time i was like oh mr jones like wow like wow, like, you know, trying to be Van Morrison or whatever. But now like as a 40 something year old guy, when I hear it because of these jams kicking, I'm thinking, you know,

that is a good jam. Oh yeah. Like I felt the same way about that song back then. But I think a lot of it too is kind of overexposure. Like when you hear a song on the radio all the time, you kind of get sick of it and you just kind of tune it out. Yeah. But when you get reintroduced to it, you hear something different. But they weren't even playing Mr. Jones on my station. Like I was like a 102,

this is another square by the way, but I was a 102.1 guy in the 90s. Everything, no wonder these things. Yeah. And that Mr. Jones never was played. They never played Mr. Jones. I don't think, maybe a little bit. Yeah. Maybe a little bit. Maybe a little bit. But go on. Tell me some things we've learned, potentially. I think we've learned some interesting things. Not including... Well, I guess, yeah, including the Stu Jeffries episode, we've heard

632 songs by 428 artists. I think it's a pretty significant sample at this point. I'm no scientist by any stretch of the imagination, artists. So, you know, I think it's a pretty significant sample at this point. Yeah. You know, I'm no scientist by any stretch of the imagination, but we're starting to see some trends now that are being, I think, strongly influenced by, obviously, the people that you have had on the show.

I mean, 50-something-year-old white sports media people? Is that what you're saying? Yeah, a little bit. I mean, we'll talk about the demographics in a minute. I've gone really deep here and pulled out some stats that I think you'll find interesting. But, you know, so for example, The Hip is number one. They've been played the most times.

So obviously there's a Canadian bias at play here. There's another bias at play, which is that the Kick of the Jams episodes are happening while Gord is sick. Yeah, absolutely. And so that's a whole, I wouldn't say not a recency bias, but there's a definite, that's definitely going to get

people putting hip on their chest. For sure. Yeah. Yeah, it puts them top of mind. But, you know, I think safe to say that if we were doing this show in San Antonio, Texas, the hip would not be number one. That is safe to say that if we were doing this show in San Antonio, Texas, the hip would not be number one. That is safe to say. You know, the Beatles, they're right there with the hip.

I think as of last week, Stu Jeffries made the Beatles tied with the hip for number one. So the Beatles, Springsteen, Dylan, there we're seeing some age bias and some race bias. You know, our old white sports writers love Beatles, Bruce, and Dylan, which is cool. But, you know, again, that's, I think, influencing what we're hearing. As far as decades go,

the 90s and the 70s have been kind of going back and forth for a while at number one. Right. And again, I think that speaks to, you know, you've got people who are our age, sort of mid, late 30s, mid've got people who are our age, sort of mid, late 30s, mid 40s, who kind of grew up in the 90s. Or, you know, that's when they were

listening to the music that kind of shaped them. Yeah. And so that comes through. And then the 70s, obviously, our friends, the Beatles, Bruce and Dylan crowd. Yeah, like the Stu Jeffries. Yeah, Stu was 100. well, no, he was 9 out of 10 in the 70s. What was his, I was going to say, what's the other jam? It was a Beatles song from the 60s. You know, good, you know, own it, man. Well, yeah, I love that stuff, too.

That's another point I'll make about Kick of the Jams. You can tell, I think I can tell, maybe I can't really tell, I think I can tell that somebody is sort of making their jam list to make them seem cool. Yeah. I feel like a Mike Wilner,

his jams, he's not trying to seem cool and he doesn't care if he seems uncool because his jams are his jam. For sure. But I mean, and I love this guy.

I was with him this morning, Mark Hebbshire. Is Frank Zappa really in his top 10 of all time? Is Zappa really? Maybe. He does love Zappa, so I'll give him that for sure. That's pretty cool if Zappa's in your top 10.

For sure. Yeah. No, and you're right. People could be engineering their lists to sound cool, but again, your jams are your jams. And so, yeah, we're seeing these biases come out. 1971 is the top year.

We've had the most jams played from 1971. Wow. Apparently, it was a great year in music. Maybe that was like a lot of the Stairway to Heaven and all that stuff. I feel like that might be 71. Yeah, I think Stairway might have been earlier than that. But I can... You sure? That's okay. You keep talking. Maybe during your jams, you can Google it. I feel like that might be 71. Yeah, I think Stairway might have been earlier than that.

Are you sure? That's okay. You keep talking. Maybe during your jams you can Google. I can actually tell you because one of the great things about Google Sheets is you can just double-click on the 1971 and it will show you all the songs. I think we've undersold this Google spreadsheet. And Mike, I have to tell you, you're absolutely right. Stairway to Heaven is 1971.

Thank you, sir. Well right. Stairway to Heaven is 1971. Thank you, sir. Well done. Finally. Yes. But it's like songs like Imagine, Life on Mars by Bowie, American Pie, all 1971. Yes. So it was clearly a great year in music. And a big year for long songs.

Yeah, definitely. And spoiler alert, one of my 10 songs is from 1971. Woo! Just out of sheer coincidence. 93, 97, 91, and 68 are the years they're all tied. They're right behind 1971. As far as geography, US, as you might imagine, has given us the most jams. 52% of our jams have been from American artists.

UK is next, 24%, and then Canada, 18%. I wasn't sure, because the UK, of course, of course, big giants, like the Beatles, and Led Zeppelin, and the Who, and the Rolling Stones, et cetera, but I wasn't sure if the CanCon preference would kind of overtake that. Yeah, it's there. It's not quite as big as the UK,

but it's certainly there. And then now we start getting into some interesting stuff that we're going to spend some time talking about. 80% of the artists that have been played are male, which, you know,

not a surprise given the, I think, you know, historical male domination of the music industry. Well, yeah, my other question is what percentage of our jam kickers are male? I'm glad you asked, Mike. Because I other question is, what percentage of our jam kickers are male? I'm glad you asked, Mike.

Because I think that's everything, right? I feel like as a male, and I do love a lot of female singers, but I think my top 10 would be male dominated. Yeah. And I think you get more woman artists when you ask women what their favorite song is. That is absolutely correct.

So 77% of our jam kickers have been male. There you go. So it lines up pretty well. And I don't know how that's happened, except that there is a male dominance absolutely correct. So 77% of our jam kickers have been male. There you go. So it lines up. And I don't know how that's happened, except that there is a male dominance of the sports media. Yeah, no, for sure. For sure. And I preface all of this by saying that you haven't designed this as a scientific experiment or anything. This is just people that you wanted to talk to, invited them over, and asked them to play their jams.

If people, I think people had a good experience during their deep dive, and if I think they'd be willing to come back and kick out the jams, I'll often extend the invitation. For sure. Some people take me up on it, some people don't.

I've never been conscious anyways of whether I'm asking, about their age, or their gender, or their skin color. Absolutely. And this is certainly not designed to make you feel self-conscious about this.

No, that's what the bingo card was doing. Yeah, exactly. But there are some interesting trends that we're seeing here and I think they're worth talking about. Let's hear it. So yeah, the male domination thing. I mean, the Ryan Adams news

that came out the other day, I think maybe speaks to a big part of the reason that we're seeing this split. You know, women are being intimidated out of the music industry in, in, in a lot of cases, um, that, you know, and I think it probably goes for every industry, not just the music industry, but it's, it's certainly very prevalent there. Um, you know, to think about the women who've, who've made it and have been successful and what they've had to go through to, to get there and stay successful, uh, is pretty,

uh, pretty awe inspiring. I think in a rock now, you know, a recent jam kicker is Biff naked. So there's exceptions of course, but if you rock is historically and still rock is a male dominated genre. It is.

And I'm sure Biff has some, uh, some stories about, stories about stuff that's happened to her and things that she's had to endure, as have most or a lot of women in the music industry, and again, frankly, in most industries.

And it really sucks that it has taken these revelations to come out for us, for men in particular, to wrap our heads around it. And hip-hop's another genre. I mean, Cardi B's recent success notwithstanding, and Mishy Mee is a guest next week, but these are sort of outliers, I would say.

For sure, yeah, absolutely. So the other demographic thing that we'll talk about a little bit is ethnicity. So of the artists that we've played that have been played on the show so far, uh, 77% white, uh, 19%, uh, black or African American, uh, and then 1.7%, uh, sort of Latino or native American. Have we kicked out a jam from an Asian person yet? I feel like we have. I can tell you, in fact, because I did the homework. Bear with me for one second. This is great radio right here. I need to know. Even though I can tell you a member of Black Eyed Peas is Filipino.

Well there you go. And I would count them as a mixed race band because there are lots of bands with black people and white people. Oh, sure. So, yeah, I think the answer to that question is no. And don't forget Smashing Pumpkins, James. James Ehan. That's right. But anyway, on that note, again, that might be a reflection of Jam Kickers. Although I don't know.

This one's interesting to me because it's a genre thing. I think it's been heavy rock, I find. And rock is very white as a genre. It is, for sure. But when you have people more into blues or R&B or hip hop, that's where you get more artists of color. Absolutely, yeah. So to that point, it is reflective of the ethnicity of our jam kickers.

95% of our jam kickers have been white. That's a high percentage. It is. Yeah, and again, that seems to be how it's fallen. Yeah. I'm going to guess, I know, does Jar to be how it's fallen. Yeah. I'm going to guess. I know, I know.

Does Jarvis count as a person of color? Oh, that's a good point, actually. I didn't include him in that count. I don't know how he identifies. We haven't had that chat. Yeah, exactly. And again, there's some guessing going on. People may identify differently than I've categorized. Well, Jackie Perez is a person of color.

I included her in that as well. And of course, Maestro Fresh West. Maestro is there and then Nakia from Paytm. Absolutely. Yeah, and those have been our non-white jam kickers. Gotta fix that there, Tyler. So you've replicated the Sportsnet

photo. Okay, I have to fix that. That's an unintentional one. I'm embarrassed by that. Yeah, and this is certainly not meant to embarrass you in any way. It's just, you know, looking at the numbers, it's striking. So not only did Sportsnet need more diversity, but the

Jam Kickers, we need more diversity. So this is our panel discussion on diversity in Jam Kickers in Toronto. I know the guy who can fix that, so I'll have a meeting know the guy who can fix that, so I'll have a meeting with the guy in charge of jam kicking bookings. One last breakdown of demographics

is age range, which we talked about. Oh, yeah, interesting. Very interesting. And again, I had to do some guessing here. I searched on Wikipedia and was able to find exact birthdates for some people. Some people I just had to kind of guess and put them

in a range. So 38% of our Jam Kickers have been 51 or over. 40% have been 36 to 50. 19% 21 to 35. Well, this isn't so bad, actually.

No, it's a pretty good breakdown. And then 1% 0 to 20. And that, again, is Jarvis. Oh, that's right. That's Jarvis. Again, so I think looking at those demographics, we see the biases come out. And I think we can understand why the list look the way they do. Who's our oldest jam kicker?

Our oldest jam kicker, I believe, is Dave Hodge. Okay. And how old is Dave Hodge? Should I know that? Is he in the early 70s? He is, according to the information that I have anyway.

He's still moshing on a regular basis. I know. 74 is the information that I have. See, I want to be Dave Hodge when I'm 74.

Me too. That's pretty impressive. So, I mean, that's what the numbers are telling us right now and it's been pretty fascinating to dive into that and see

sort of how it breaks down and see, understand why you know, Bruce, Bob and who am I forgetting in the top three there Bruce, Bob and I don't know, the Beatles of course, the three B's why they're at the top of the list, not that they're

not great artists because obviously they are, but certainly the people we talk to are going to have them in their favorites. You didn't look at genres, did you? I did a little bit, actually. I wonder if I have that here. Because it feels rock heavy, and I know somebody on Twitter yesterday was pointing out that there's not enough country.

And I went to just look at the cursory glance at your spreadsheet and I realized like Sarah Boswell did a few country jams. She did, yeah. But you're right. Usually you're lucky. I know that the young Beaton, Alexandra Beaton, did a couple of country songs. But there's not a lot of country in the jam. There's not.

There's been a few Garth Brooks appearances. Oh, yeah. Two or three, I think. Troy did one for sure. Yeah, yeah. But yeah, you're right. I didn't actually do a breakdown of genre. I should have done that.

But it's been very rock heavy. Some hip hop, a little bit of country. And then, you know, I think Lou Skizis did a classical jam. Yes, he did. Yeah. Not a lot of jazz, actually. In fact, I would say zero jazz. I think maybe Dinah Washington.

I think it might have been Stafford that kicked out Dinah Washington. Or Larry Fedork. I can't remember. Larry, I think. Yeah. So minimal jazz. But maybe some of the Jazz FM crew can come on and play some jazz jams for you. They're all lining up. Actually, today

is the big meeting today. I don't know, the Jazz FM... Oh, that's right. Yeah. The dissidents. There was the collective, and now there's the dissidents. And the dissidents are trying to remove the board, and it's all going down as we speak. So it'll be interesting to check in on what the heck

went down. For sure. It's been a fascinating saga to follow. So it'll be interesting to check in on what the heck went down. For sure. It's been a fascinating saga to follow. Yeah. It depends who you talk to. You'll be surprised. Some people think it's the biggest, most boring non-story there is. And me, as a person who rarely listened to Jazz FM, I'm fascinated by it. Just because it's such an interesting situation.

So I'm very, very, very dialed in here. And I'm not a Jazz FM donor. Yeah. That's for sure. And I rarely tune in to Jazz FM. But very, very interesting. Yeah. I want to thank a couple more sponsors before we...

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Now, Tyler, are we done? I didn't want to leave anything on the floor here. So yeah, I think just to wrap up for now, it's been my pleasure to track this stuff want to leave anything on the cutting floor here. I think just to wrap up for now, it's been my pleasure to track this stuff, and it's always a fun exercise for me to listen to the

episodes and take note of what the songs are and go do a little bit of research on each of them to find out what year they're from and things like that. So it's been a lot of fun for me, so thank you for that. On behalf of the universe of

jam-kicking fans, especially myself, thank you for all those hours you're doing that. That's an amazing resource. You're doing it for love of the game and the odd beer and some lasagna here. But thank you for doing that. Yeah, no, it's been a ton of fun.

And I will continue to do it as long as you continue to make these episodes. Well, I hope you come out to TMLX3 so I can do another special toast to you. The Kick Out the Jam Spreadsheet Master. Yes, absolutely. And yeah, we'll continue to talk about this stuff and see how it evolves over time.

And are you, Tyler, ready to kick out the jams? I've never been more ready for anything. I hate you for what you did And I miss you like a little kid. I faked it every time, but that's all right.

I can hardly feel anything. I hardly feel anything at all. At all You gave me fifteen hundred To see your hypnotherapist Only went one time You let it slide Fell on hard times a year ago Was hoping you would let it go And you did I have emotional motion sickness.

Somebody roll the windows down. There are no words in the English language I could scream to drown you out Motion Sickness by Phoebe Bridgers. Yeah, so this is interesting. So originally in this spot I had a song called Jacksonville Skyline by a band called Whiskey Town. And the lead singer of Whiskey Town was Ryan Adams, who, as most people have seen by now, has been exposed as a predator, which is gross and terrible.

And Phoebe Bridgers is a really talented songwriter and singer. And I've been listening to her recently a lot anyway. She's in sort of a super group of young women singer-songwriters with Julian Baker and Lucy Dacus called Boy Genius. I recommend everyone check out that EP. And I've been listening to that a lot lately. And then when I read the story, I was kind of blown away because, uh, Phoebe Bridgers, uh, had been working with Ryan Adams, uh, a few years ago.

Uh, and she was one of the people that, uh, that he was particularly awful to. Uh, and this song is about him. Uh, if you listen to the lyrics, uh, you know, I hate what, I hate you for what you did. Uh, and, and it goes on like that. It's, it's pretty cutting and, uh, horrible, uh, what, uh, what you did. And it goes on like that. It's pretty cutting and horrible what he did to her and sounds like a number of other people. I've been a fan of Ryan Adams for 20 years. With the hip, he's probably 1A.

And it's heartbreaking for those people who he hurt. So I guess enjoy Phoebe Bridgers and fuck Ryan Adams. How many times has Ryan Adams been kicked out of the jam? Just one time. Can I guess? Siobhan Morris. Yeah, she tweeted about the news yesterday. She's a big Ryan Adams fan.

She is, and it's obviously really hard for fans of his to process that information, especially female fans. So my thoughts go out to her and female fans and again, especially the women that he hurt. Siobhan was a good jam kicker. Yeah, she was great.

She was great. That was really good and she was really into it. And I got to get her dad to come kick out the jam. Oh, yeah. Phoebe Bridgers also has a new album out with Connor Oberst

from Bright Eyes. It's also great, called Better Oblivion Community Center, so I recommend everyone check that out too. guitar solo Out of the night Into the water We pushed the boat from shore Breaking the air In the stillness of the bay

Intensive stars reflected in the harbor Silently ignite The ore dips into oil like water And we are awake Sarah Harbour, Lodestone. Sarah Harmer, Lodestone. This is a great song from an album that came out around 2000 called You Were Here. Sarah Harmer is a great singer-songwriter from the area.

Grew up in Burlington and was in a band called Weeping Tile. Which were great, by the way. Yeah, they were awesome. They were good. Yeah. And she's been around for a long time making great music. This song always stuck with me. That whole album was fantastic.

This song really sticks with me because it's one of those great sort of Canadian campfire songs, you know, describing sort of the, you know, a quiet night up at a cottage. And it just really evokes a lot of memories for me in a lot of ways. And her voice is amazing. And she's very active on Twitter, a lot of sort of environmental causes that are important to her. She worked very closely with Gord Downie on the Water Keepers initiative,

and she's great, and I hope we hear lots more from her. She does a lot of stuff for the Escarpment, too, right? She does, yeah. Well, her family had a farm up there. I think they still do, and so it's very close to her. And hip fans will know, of course. Well, if you've seen the hip in concert many times, you've probably seen Sarah open a few times. But they do that Silver Road, right? Yes, for the Men With Brooms soundtrack.

And it's a great jam because of Sarah's beautiful voice. It's a great juxtaposition. It's fantastic. I have many tenuous connections to the music industry. And with Sarah Harmer, I worked with her brother, Steve, a long time ago. I have a lot of weird little stories.

See, I'm going to start a bingo card for you, too. That's right. That's right. See, though, if you met someone for the first time and they were telling you about, oh, I like Sarah Harmer, you'd probably share that fun fact. I would, actually, yeah.

This is what my daughter was laughing at the bingo card yesterday. And I just made this point. I said, okay, look, people listening, let's say you've heard, I'll make up, you've heard 150 episodes of Toronto Mike. So maybe you've heard in that 150 episode, you've heard the same reference, maybe let's say 15 times. So it feels like I say it a lot. Well, when I'm talking to somebody for the first time and they say something that would obviously lead to one of those, how do I not go there because somebody's heard it 150 times when the person I'm speaking to has never heard it? That's right. Exactly.

Exactly. And I said to my daughter, my example, I said to my daughter, let's say you're with anybody and they mention Will Smith. What's the first thing you respond to? And she said, oh, for sure I'm going to tell them that I met Will Smith. I said, yeah, every single human being on the planet who mentions Will Smith to you, you're going going to tell them that I met Will Smith. I said, yeah, every single human being on the planet who mentions Will Smith to you, you're going to say, oh, I met Will Smith. Of course. Why wouldn't you? Forever. Yeah. I know.

Everybody needs a bingo card. All right. We've got to listen to this part. This part's great. Listen, the darkness reigns. The darkness listen, the darkness reigns. The darkness Listen The darkness

Rains And wait for it There are only Two of us Now Two of us now This great black night Scooped out And this fire blow Listen Listen, the darkness reigns

The darkness, listen The darkness reigns Take off your things And listen, the darkness reigns The Cash Machine is blue and green. 420s and a small C-speed. I could spend $3.63. And I'd cook a cola And I lit the cigarettes

I'm running we listen to books And nobody gives a fuck How hot and soft This machine begs for love All my lies are always wishes I know I would die if I could come back new Ashes of American Flags Wilco

I love this song so much. Wilco. I love this song so much. Wilco is, they're a great band, obviously. This album, Yankee Hotel Foxtrot, came out, I think, 2001. And their label rejected it. They didn't want to put it out because they thought it was too experimental, too weird. And so they, Wilco took it want to put it out because they thought it was too experimental and too weird. And so they, Woco, took it back and put it out themselves and it's I think probably their

best record. The Yankee Hotel Foxtrot, the name of the album comes from Jeff Tweedy bought this recording called The Conant Project which was a collection of recordings of these number stations. I don't know if you've heard of these things.

They're just like shortwave stations that just broadcast the same collection of numbers over and over again. No, I don't know. Yeah, it's really kind of creepy and cool. But he was obsessed with this. creepy and cool. But he was obsessed with this. So on one of the songs on the album, he samples one of those recordings and the person on the recording says,

Yankee Hotel Foxtrot over and over again. And he got sued by the people who put out that recording because he had credited them for it. But if you ever want to sort of creep yourself out, dive deep on number stations and listen. There's tons of recordings and samples of them out there. And, and, uh, they're really freaky to listen to. Uh, no one really knows what they are. A lot of people think they might be like spy communications. Um, but they're, uh, they're, they're pretty wild. And, uh, and Jeff Tweedy, uh, is, was obsessed

with them. And, uh, that's sort of where the impetus for the album title came from. them and that's sort of where the the impetus for the the album title came from there's a live version of this song on youtube that comes from a tour doc that's really incredible they have a guitarist in the band now named nels klein who's just a virtuoso guitar player he wasn't in the band at this point but he does a solo at the end of the song that's just incredible this is the third time that Wilco has been kicked out. Dave Hodge and Gregory Strong also kicked out of Wilco. Yeah, Dave Hodge is a big Wilco fan. He is, yes.

See, this stuff at the end is where I think the record company might have lost it a little bit. oh there's nothing experimental about this i love it. There's a hole in the drywall Still not fixed I just haven't gotten Around to it And besides I'm starting to get used to The gaps

So you wish you could find some way to help To be so hard on myself So why is it easy for everyone else I'm not always like this There's always tomorrow I guess And I'd never do it but it's not a joke I can't tell the difference when I'm all alone Is it real or a dream, which is worse, can you help me?

I just wanted to go to sleep When I turn out the lights When I turn out the lights, Julian Baker. Yeah. She is, I think she's maybe 23 or 24. She's really young. And she just has the most incredible voice. And I've never seen her live.

I'd like to very much. But I've seen recordings, YouTube videos. And it's just her and the guitar up there mostly. And she just has such an evocative voice. And her lyrics are very personal and heartbreaking. evocative voice and her lyrics are very personal and heartbreaking. And this song just really gets to my heart. Then I turned out the lights There's no one left The love between myself and me guitar solo Mickey Johnson bought the farm

Put a needle in her arm That's the way that it goes That's the way And her brother laid her down in the cold Kentucky ground That's the way that it goes, that's the way That's the way that it goes Everybody's buying little baby clothes That's the way that it is Though there was a time when she and I were friends

The way it goes. Gillian Welch? Yeah, Gillian Welch. Yeah, that's why I didn't have a question mark at the end. Gillian Welch? Yeah. Man, she's so good. She's been around for quite a while.

If you ever saw the movie, Oh Brother, Where Art Thou? She's in it. Of course. Yeah. I love that movie. Yeah. And she and Dave Rawlings, who is playing guitar here, are a couple who have been making music together for probably 20 years. And they'll

put out albums all the time. Sometimes it's under her name, sometimes it's under his name, but it's basically always the two of them. He's such a great guitar player. He plays this really old acoustic guitar, and he just has such a unique playing style. And her voice is just incredible, and the way they harmonize is amazing. And this whole album called The Harrow and the Harvest is just a killer. It's got that bluegrass kind of... Yeah, yeah.

...old brother feel to it. Yeah. I was thinking, you're so far, and you've got a bit of an old country... Yeah, that's kind of my jam. I don't know. I think I grew up around a lot of that stuff. I have family from North Carolina

who played a lot of stuff like that when I was growing up. And so that kind of got into my blood pretty early. But no Kacey Musgraves here? She's great. I love that album. It's really good. For sure.

Gillian and Dave are playing at the Oscars because one of their songs was in the movie Ballad of Buster Scruggs. I've got to see that. That's on Netflix, right? It is, yeah. I haven't seen it yet. That's Coen Brothers. Yes, Coen Brothers. They're always good.

Yes. Yeah. Her voice is just incredible. Don't call her Gillian. You'll expose yourself. Need a pistol in my vest That's the way that it goes That's the way Did you miss my gentle touch Did I hurt you very much

That's the way that it goes That's the way guitar solo That's the way that it goes Everybody's buying little baby clothes That's the way that it ends Though there was a time when you and I were friends One, two, three, two, three, two, three. guitar solo A little rain may come And compromise your mind

A little rain may blow Pass right over All your neighbor's lives The wicked wind may blow And strike us all blind The wicked wind may blow And the wind don't stop the crying. Little Rain.

His golden messenger. Yeah. These guys, well, it's actually this guy who has sort of a rotating band of musicians that he brings in and out. He's one of the most honest and really real performers that I've come across in a long time. He's gone through a lot in the music industry.

He's been around a long time. He's been in a bunch of bands. He was in a punk band called Exignota a long time ago. And he's been in a couple of other sort of all country bands. And he was about ready to leave the music industry. He took a job at Duke University. He lives in North Carolina.

And he sat down and recorded an album at his kitchen table and just put it out. He recorded it on a little shitty cassette recorder and submitted it and got a deal with Merge Records in Durham, North Carolina. And he's great. He puts out an album every year or so. This is from a bonus album that he put out two years ago. And it's just really honest,

heartfelt music. He talks a lot about his family in his music. He's got two kids that show up on his recordings every once in a while. He's really accessible on Twitter. He was tweeting about Merle Haggard one day and I responded to him and said, hey, where would you start with Merle Haggard? And he wrote back in about five minutes and said, give me a minute. And then about 20 minutes later, he wrote me a stream of three tweets with recommendations for where to start with Merle Haggard. Yeah, it was incredible. And he's a great performer. I've seen them live twice, and it's just really great stuff. It's really good stuff to listen to on a weekend morning when you're just kind of getting ready to go.

And he's fantastic. What does that name mean, His Golden Messenger? um yeah it's it's up for interpretation um he uh he talks a lot about faith and religion in in his music um i don't know if he's particularly a religious person but he's studied it um and i i think it's a kind of a a play on uh you know the the god his or his rather like the the capital h his uh and and his is just kind of like a play on, you know, the God His, or His rather, like the capital H His, and His is just kind of like a play on that, just maybe to make it a little bit more memorable. guitar solo Under the pillow I bury my head And try and shut Chicago out

As it turns out There's a whole other world Of sounds A perfect fifth Low skits And hearted howls All saying Are you Going through

Something Are you Going through Something Under the Are you going through something? Under the pillow, a little room of green The early morning lights a pale cranberry I hear the ah, not now, of the siren far away and closing steadily. Are you going through something? Are you going through something? Because I, I, I am too.

There they are, the tragically hip, the depression sweets. I am too This song, We Are The Same, is the album that this is on, and it's definitely my favorite late period album of theirs. This is three songs, I think, that they sort of wove together, and I think it's the longest song that they ever did. It's about nine minutes, so it gives us an excuse to talk about the hit for nine minutes. 9.27. There you go. And I love listening to it because words in great voice here,

you can really sort of hear the maturity and the phrasing that he's developed in his voice. And he really conveys emotion, I think, better than maybe any other song in the catalog in this song. The last third of it always gets me,

which we can maybe talk about a little bit later. But it's just a beautiful, sweeping song. Give me, give me, give me an opportunity. Give me, give me, put me, put me, put me, put me in the saddle, I'll ride your seat. It's new work in the day room It really is a suite. Yeah, yeah. So this is the 15th time now

that the hip has been kicked out. What's it going to be like when you update the spreadsheet with your own key? I don't know. This is very meta. I was thinking this whole episode is meta. If you're still listening, you are a true loyalist.

Very hard for her, yes. Hello to the four of you. You'd be surprised, Tyler. It's at least six, sometimes seven. What if this song does nothing? What if this song does nothing? Working in a new, new audience world I'm emptying slots, working like a ghost I move through huge rooms with no windows And no Gulf of Mexico

Gimme, gimme, gimme, gimme, gimme Gimme, gimme Gimme an opportunity Gimme, gimme Put me, put me, put me It's the, I hope I have this right, it's the Sky Diggers, right? Who do the rock? Yeah, that's right, they did it for the Strombol

Tribute Right You know, Strombol, what an interesting guy. Like, if I may for a moment. Yeah, yeah. Like, okay, so the Hockey Night in Canada thing goes down. Clearly Strombo doesn't. You can tell he doesn't like this.

This is not. Not his thing. Not his thing. He's on the outs at Rogers. And then he sort of, like, makes some conscious decision, I think, notes at Rogers. And then he sort of like makes some conscious decision, I think,

to like focus on maybe less lucrative, cool, like passion projects. Well, yeah, the House of Strombo series is amazing. It's really, really cool.

And he's kind of, I don't know, I don't mean to compare myself to Strombo because what he's doing is amazing. But if you gave me a budget, right,

and you let me focus on it, like if I could do that... I don't want to talk over Gord here, but... Yeah, this is the part that gets me. Bring on the requisite strangeness. Bring it on. Disappear. Disappear. Go to be a man of the boom.

To Florida without the ocean. But don't you want to see how it ends When the door is just starting to open And half a basket depends Ask, it depends Don't you wanna see how it ends? I can't hear you But I can't stay here You left me lost in the barren You left me lost in the barrens You left me born on the stairs It's minus eleven

Inside my cattle I didn't come to get lost in the barrens I didn't come to settle To be a man on the moon To get my little slice of heaven Yeah. The door is just starting to open And the basket depends Don't you wanna see how it ends? It's sweeping. It's beautiful. It just gets me every time.

Just to finish the strombol thought of what he's doing there with things like that hip covers. It's like, yes, thank you. Yeah, yeah. Keep doing that, man's like, yes, thank you. Yeah. Yeah. Keep doing that, man. For sure. That's amazing.

Yeah. Don't you want to see how it ends? The door is just starting to open And the basket depends Don't you wanna see how it ends? Yeah Don't you wanna see how it ends? I'm holding the door to the vent And I have a basket of pens

Don't you wanna see how it ends? I think I'll drive on Until I get there Cause I'm around now. Al Green, I'm a Ram. Yeah. So this, I heard this song originally when it was done as a cover by Big Sugar on their album 500 Pounds. I listened to it a lot in university. And, you know know looking at the liner notes back in the day when there were liner notes um i noticed that it checked the liner

yeah yeah exactly uh gordy johnson had hadn't written this song and it was an al green song so i was like shit i gotta i gotta find the original uh and it's uh it's awesome it's uh it's so funky and he's got such an incredible voice. This is the 1971 jam. What a year in music it was. And the rhythms, listen to the rhythm section, like the bass and the drums are just so funky. Funky, but if you go to any Al Green greatest hits compilation, this song does not appear there.

It doesn't, it doesn't, yeah. you go to any Al Green greatest hits compilation, this song does not appear there. It doesn't. This is sort of right before his Let's Stay Together. I think this was the album just before that. The guys playing on this, the high rhythm section and the Memphis horns. In the 60s and 70s, so many record labels had their session crews, like the Muscle Shoals guys. Of course, yeah. The Wrecking Crew, you probably saw that documentary, and Booker T and the MGs at Stax. And just, like, incredible, talented musicians who just, like, were,

they stayed in the background and did their thing, and they were so tight and reliable. stayed in the background and did their thing. And they were so tight and reliable. And just on hundreds and hundreds of recordings. Yeah, that Muscle Shoals documentary is amazing. Yeah, it's really, really good. So the guy playing trumpet on this, a guy named Wayne Jackson,

who played, again, again hundreds and hundreds of recordings including sledgehammer by Peter Gabriel great video I love fun facts big video that sledgehammer man much music feasted on that oh yeah the big sugar cover this is great too but can't be the original I love these funky 70s games Oh yeah I love these funky 70s games. Oh, yeah. I don't want to be talking on the phone every night

6 p.m. which time's on yours ain't gonna worry where you are who you're with let's just agree this is it poor thing leave your bags in the car, keep it running I won't pretend that I won't miss this But poor little me, I don't know where that is And I don't want to know, I don't want to know I don't want to know Donovan Woods, Portland, Maine.

Donnie Wu. He's a Toronto guy. Really, really talented singer-songwriter. This song was from an album that came out a couple years ago. And he's really starting to find some success. He played around the city a lot for a lot of years. And he's a songwriter, I think, first and foremost. He spends a lot of time in Nashville writing.

Tim McGraw actually recorded this song a couple years ago. And he's great. He's just a very humble, funny guy. If you get the chance to see him live, I recommend it highly. He's hilarious. He could be a stand-up comedian if he wanted to, I think. And you look at him, he's this big, burly guy

with a big beard, and he's got this very soft, tender voice. It's a really funny kind of juxtaposition. Get him on the show if you can. He's great. Would he do the show? I feel like he would. I think so. He's getting a little bit bigger now.

I think he's on tour right now. I think he'd come in. Lowest of the low have kicked out the jams. Exactly. So if you can get those guys in, you can get Donnie. get those guys in, you can get Donnie. He's definitely a recommended follow on Twitter. He's hilarious. Sold. He looks like he should have pipes like you have.

He sounds like this. Yeah, well, his speaking voice is lower, but his singing voice is up there. And I don't want to know I don't want to know guitar solo It's good to be king If just for a while To be there in velvet Yeah, to give him a smile It's good to get high And never come down It's good to be king

Of your own little town Yeah, the world would swing Oh, if I were king Can I help it if I Still dream time to time It's good to be king Tom Petty. Have your own way. It's good to be king. It is good to be king Tom Petty Have your own way

It's good to be king It is good to be king Get a feeling of peace I mean, Tom Petty was just a fantastic artist. Very underappreciated, I think. I think he's one of those guys who just sort of floats right under the radar. I agree. This is only the second time he's been kicked out in the history of Kick Out the Jam.

Oh, we should talk about glaring omissions. Maybe next time. That's true. We'll save that for next time. But this, I mean, this is from Wildflowers, which came out in 94. And there's, I mean, that's a playthrough. That whole album is just spectacular.

And Petty for me has always been, you know, again, just right there, probably in my top three or four artists. My musical progression from when I was younger to now has been very linear. Barry Manilow was number one. He was the first concert I ever went to. Oh, wow. Yeah, we can talk about that later.

And then it was Huey Lewis and the Nudes. And then it was Tom Petty. There you go. And it was Tom Petty for a while until I discovered the hip. But Tom Petty. There you go. And it was Tom Petty for a while until I discovered the hip. But Tom Petty has remained. And Full Moon Fever was just a spectacular album that I go back to a lot. He's just such an honest songwriter and artist.

I don't know if you saw the very long documentary. Do you know I watched it twice? Yeah. Four hours, I think. Yeah. But it's fantastic. Fantastic. And what a badass he was. He didn't take any shit from his record company. Like, he stood up for what he believed in. And just a great artist. And he's extremely missed. You know who agrees with you? Barry Davis agrees with you.

Barry Davis. Yeah. He is probably the biggest Petty fan around. But I do think you're right. He's sort of like, you know how some radio stations will build themselves as like your second favorite radio station or whatever. Yeah. Tom Petty's like, some exceptions like Barry Davis, but he's rarely your top guy, but he's always right up there. Yeah, exactly. So he can be overlooked because he's just solid.

He's always there. Yeah. Good. Yeah. But he's not, you know, he's not the Rolling Stones or the Beatles or Bruce Springsteen. He's just kind. He's always there. He's consistent and good. Yeah. But he's not the Rolling Stones or the Beatles or Bruce Springsteen. He's just kind of... Yeah. And this song is just classic Petty.

It's good to be king. Sounds like a very bombastic kind of a song. But it's really... Listen to the lyrics. It's very sort of humble and kind of sarcastic. And I think that's who he was. He was a very genuine guy who, you know, certainly wouldn't, you know, go out of his way to brag about his accomplishments.

But he was one of the greats. For sure, man. And even though he... How old was he when he passed? Like 67 or something like that? Something like that, yeah. He seemed awfully young to lose Tom Petty. For sure, man. Even though he... How old was he when he passed? Like 67 or something like that? Something like that, yeah. He just seemed awfully young.

Yeah, yeah. To lose Tom Petty, it's like... This guy's still performing. He's still kicking ass. Oh, yeah. Yeah, he just finished his last tour. I mean, it just goes to show the toll that that life has on people like him and Prince

and people that just went way too soon. Absolutely. Nice. Beautiful. Speaking of beautiful, that was beautiful. That was a lot of fun. We need to figure out how to do more of this kind of thing periodically. I would love that. You know, people, if they're going to cherry pick,

then they can skip it. If they're just the Bluebird bombers or whatever, they're skipping it anyways. The hardcore fans will stay with us. Right, and we need to reward such fans with as gold as this. So thank you, Tyler. I was going to say thank you, Tyler Durden, but that's not your name.

You're Tyler Campbell. Tyler Durden, but that's not your name. You're Tyler Campbell. That brings us to the end of our 433rd show. You can follow me on Twitter. I'm at Toronto Mike. Tyler, what's your Twitter handle? At Tyler A. Campbell.

Tyler A. Campbell. You're not from the Campbell Soup family, are you? No. No. Just checking. No. Are friends at Great Lakes Brewery or at Great Lakes Beer? I felt like I should butcher it just to give people another bingo square. Oh, yeah.

Speaking of that, I watched The Wire. It's the greatest show on TV. And I'm going to just take a quick sip from my Andre the Giant mug. Check out the Molly Johnson episode. Oh, absolutely. But we did check the liner notes earlier. I think that might even count. But propertyinthesix.com is at Raptor's Devotee.

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It's been eight years of laughter and eight years of tears And I don't know what the future holds