Toronto Mike'd: The Official Toronto Mike Podcast - Kim MacDonald and Chris Pack Kick Out the Jams: Toronto Mike'd Podcast Episode 1502

Episode Date: June 5, 2024

In this 1502nd episode of Toronto Mike'd, Mike chats with husband and wife Kim MacDonald and Chris Pack about their favourite songs of all-time. Along the way, we pay tribute to Martin Street while discussing Chris's time at CFNY. Toronto Mike'd is proudly brought to you by Great Lakes Brewery, Palma Pasta, Ridley Funeral Home, The Advantaged Investor podcast from Raymond James Canada, The Yes, We Are Open podcast from Moneris, The Toronto Maple Leafs Baseball Team and RecycleMyElectronics.ca. If you would like to support the show, we do have partner opportunities available. Please email Toronto Mike at [e-mail]

And right now, right now, right now it's time to... Take out the jams, motherfuckers! What up, Mike? Love it. Toronto! Unless you'd rather the primetime sports theme song. I could also play that. I'm in Toronto where you wanna get the city love

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Today, I was gonna say, I wrote here, making his Toronto Mike debut, but that's not technically correct, but welcome Chris pack alongside his wife FOTM Chris McDonald nuts Chris McDonald Kim McDonald. I'm sometimes I'm Chris McDonald. We'll fix it in post. Do people ever call you mr. McDonald? Yes, they do when they don't know any better and like me right now. Usually somebody looking for money on the phone Here to kick out the jams. Welcome Kim and Chris. Welcome back. Thank you. Thank you for having us Thank you for being here. It's a strange time. Like we booked this a while ago. I think we booked it before the High Park house league soccer schedule was released

So this was gonna be earlier and then I literally saw I just, I was at high park. It's warmer than you think in high park right now for a exciting under nine girls, a house league soccer match, which ended in a two, two tie. And I rushed back and now we're going to crack open some beer, Kim, there is a hop pop for you from great lakes brewery. And we we're gonna kick out some jams. How does that sound? All right, that sounds great. Right on the mic. I can open this now.

Okay. In front of that mic. Wow. That's a trifecta right there. That's very well done. Okay. That was fun. Cheers.

Cheers. Last time I was here, Olivia Chow just won the mayoral ship. What will happen tonight? Well, I figured the two-two tie was the equivalent of the exciting event. My daughter, three times she had great scoring opportunities and was just wide, like a foot wide, three different times.

So she plays forward. She plays forward and one was like a minute left in the game pretty much. And it could have been the game-winning goal I was very excited, but it did not happen So exciting what it does though, but this is happening now Kim you've been in this basement before yeah Did you get Paul Mopasta lasagna when you were here? Oh my god. I did it was yeah, so did he It was fantastic. We brought it to a friend's house for I think it was yeah, so did he it was fantastic.

We brought it to a friend's house for, I think it was Canada day and everybody was there. Like, where did you get this? Yeah, it's some guy's basement in South Etobicoke. Yeah, we're in the hammer man. And they freaking loved it. It was so good. And I don't, you know, I don't wanna be greedy Mike,

but there's two of us here. Yeah, I don't want to be greedy, Mike, but there's two of us here. Yeah. I don't know if I was thinking like, do you each get one? And I only have one in the freezer. That I really only have one. Okay. All right. That's fine. We, but you will have to share that. And you will leave here if another large lasagna from Pummelpasta. But here's what I wrote when you were here. It was June, 2023 in this 1,280th episode of Toronto Mike, Mike chats with the Weather Network's Kim McDonald about her decades at the Weather Network, her ties to CFNY. We had a great chat about Sandra Plagakis. Some of these themes will return in this episode. Your battle with breast cancer and more. We went for about 90 minutes. Kim, I got so much

feedback from people who were just thanking me. Well, really, they should have been thanking you for basically how you discussed your battle with breast cancer and you know what you discovered, what you learned, your decisions you made along the way. A lot of people really appreciated your candor. Well, I appreciate them. That's really nice. Yeah I mean I figure why not right be honest about it and maybe it'll help somebody. Do you appreciate Chris Pack? I do of course you know if anybody you know got me through the breast cancer journey it is my husband. Oh my god it was like mash the

things that he had to do he was honestly who needs an MD when you've got this guy because he's not grossed out by anything He's quick to change a bandage like it was perfect Okay, good for you Chris because along the way as we kick out jams I'm gonna learn more about your relationship and such but how long have you two be married 23 years. Oh good for you 23 I had to jump all over that Kim is he right? I just want to check. I'm like, hmm, yes, he's correct. All right. So 2001, 2001, there you go. So we are in the basement. This is Chris's first visit to the basement, but Chris, it's not your

first time on these microphones. Let me explain. In September, 2019, in fact, I wore this shirt to kind of shout him out, but Pete Fowler said, hey Mike, we're having a party for Marty. Martin Streak at the time was about 10 years since his passing and everybody, all his friends and colleagues were gathering at the opera house. And I was invited to like set up shop in the lobby and hey, you can record with people as they come. And I'm like, oh, I would like to like set up shop in the lobby and hey you can record with people as they come and I'm like

Oh, I would like to do that like and then you got on the mic. So Chris pack This is your second Toronto mic. That's right. I don't know if I bullied my way But I saw your broadcast and I was like I gotta sit down and it doesn't take much to bully me You know, I'm gonna write because I did I I'm going to just let the listenership know if they want to find Chris Pack buried in that episode, which was almost three hours long. It was September 2019, episode 506. Here's the description I wrote at the time. Mike records live from the party for Marty, a gathering at the Opera House to remember

Martin Streak. Guests include, okay, you ready Chris? Sure. David Marsden. This is who went on my mic. Obviously some people didn't come on my mic, but David Marsden, Alan Cross, May Potts, Craig Venn, Bob Willett, DJ Shorma, DJ Craig G, Laurie Ann, Daryl Spring, Walter Ven Afro, Danny Elwell, Robbie J, Pete Fowler, Pina the Inside Edge Girl. What's her real name?

Do you know? You know, it's a C. I think it'll come to me later. She was after me, actually, but she was after. Well, no, I didn't mean that comes out wrong. Well, Kim's right there after my time with CFMY. Right. Yeah, she was the inside edge girl.

And of course, Chris Pack, you were on that episode. So it was about two hours and 54 minutes. So people can go back. What do you think about getting to the jams and then between jams? We'll find out more about you, Chris, and we'll catch up with you, Kim. And we'll talk about the music. You ready to rock? Sure. How's the Great Lakes beer, Chris? It's great. Yeah, I enjoy it and thank you for offering it.

OK, well, you're bringing some home with you, too So the pack of Great Lakes beer right here can make its way back to the hammer. Is that we are Kim? Yes, that's where we are and how long you live in the camp in the hammer. We have been there for eight to 19 years 19 years Okay, almost as long as the the marriage there. Okay, so question for you Chris pack. Yes, I Will now refer to you as FOTM Chris pack. Here's your question for you, Chris pack. Yes, I will now refer to you as FOTM Chris pack. Here's your question. Awesome. Are you ready to kick out your jams, right? No.

Okay, so you're now hearing this for the first time. Yes. Okay, so I have to look at you for the reaction. That's what I'm doing. Okay, me too. She's like, what have you done now? Look. Really? Yes you had. It's his hype song. He's ready to go. One shot. One opportunity. To seize everything you ever wanted. One moment.'s spaghetti, coming up. Did you capture?

Just let it slip, yo. His palms are sweaty, knees weak, arms are heavy. There's vomit on his sweater already. Mom's spaghetti, he's nervous, but on the surface, he looks calm and ready to drop bombs. But he keeps on forgetting what he wrote down. The whole crowd goes so loud, he opens his mouth, but the words won't come out

He's choking how everybody's choking now The clock's run out, time's up over plow Snap back to reality oh there goes gravity Oh there goes gravity choke he's so mad But he won't give up that is he no he won't have it He knows his whole back's to these ropes It don't matter he's told he knows that But he's broke he's so stagnant he knows When he goes back to this mobile home That's when it's back to these ropes, it don't matter he's dope He knows that but he's broke, he's so stagnant he knows

When he goes back to this mobile home that's when it's back to the lab again yo This whole rhapsody better go capture this moment and hope it don't You better lose yourself in the music the moment you own it You better never let it go You only get one shot, do not miss your chance to blow This opportunity comes once in a lifetime You better lose yourself in the music. The moment before I turn to you, Chris, I want to know, Kim,

what do you think of this first jam from your husband? Well, this goes back to his time growing up in Detroit, in a trailer with his mom. Yeah, no, this was a surprise, although I think that you have a connection with our daughter with this song. Yeah, OK, well, that's what it might be. We're going to get that story now. Chris, where were you raised?

Like, where are you from? A little known place known as Mississauga. Oh, I know where Mississauga is. OK, tell us, us Chris Pack why did you choose Lose Yourself from Eminem? Well there's for a lot of reasons it has a good message battling adversity but it's one of those songs that when there was a time I guess when you would be watching TV and flipping channels and movies would come on if this movie ever came, I would stop and watch it.

Eight Mile. Not the case anymore. Eight Mile, yes. And and there was a time where Lauren and I would watch movies together. That's our youngest daughter. And she, you know, we would watch all the cartoons and stuff, but she got to a certain age at some point where we were expanding movies that we could watch. And she was aware of the

song and the movie and so we watched it and the whole time I was like I know that that sex scene is coming up how do I feel about that is this the right choice you know but it was fine I was a I wasn't it's fine for you she probably was like this is so awkward. I hate watching this with my father. Yeah. And so I don't know. And then then then one time I think she tried to test me. We were in the car and she was playing her jams and it was one of her jams. And she played. So, you know, that musical interlude. Yeah. I don't know if you knew what song it was during that interlude, Kim, but she was trying to test me like if I knew the song. And as soon as that piano started, I'm like, oh, it was during that interlude, Kim, but she was trying to test me like if I knew the song and as soon as that piano started, I'm like, oh, lose yourself.

You probably know it on the crackle because you can hear before the piano comes in, you hear a little crackle. I think you could probably, you probably know it's lose yourself based on the crackle. That's, you know, that's a good point. There's a lot of songs like that where the first note, the first sound effect, uh,aur Jr. has a song actually, Feel the Pain, where it starts with a cork pop, right? So, you know that's the song immediately. We should kick out jams you know immediately.

That's a new theme. I'm gonna take a note on that for the next toast. I think all my songs are that. I think all my songs are that. I do have to say though, Mike, this has been such a joy and a pain to come up with only five songs. Right.

Okay. So I didn't set a table very well because I wanted to get to the jams, but you each are kicking a five jams today and neither of you know what the other person has chosen. So you sent it to me privately and I loaded it up. But tell me your process. Was it like, oh, it's easy to come up with like 20, but then you got to whittle it down? Like Chris, give me a little perspective. I had more than 20, a hundred, I don't know.

And I would put together five and then I would just, on Spotify I have like a, I liked songs category, you know? And I would just, I would listen through that and be like, oh, that's a good song. So I kept changing my five. And I even, to the point where I had chosen two or three, I think that Kim was expecting and told her the stories that go with it. And she's like, Oh, that's great. She tell that story. And then I just, I,

well, I'm not going to spoil this five songs. It's definitely the one that was first was not first. Okay. Interesting. Interesting. I just kept thinking, is he humming anything? I'm trying to guess what he's going to pick, but it's so hard to pick five. I initially was thinking one for each decade that I'm alive, you know, something that impacted me. But honestly, I think I could do this every week. If you just gave me five, five songs, it's really an impossible task.

It is impossible. I've been assigning this task for years, right? Like over a hundred people have kicked out the jams, but I never did it myself. And then I actually went through this exercise for episode 1500, which is only two episodes ago. And I realized, oh, this is impossible. So I actually just told like a story with my 10 jams and I had 10, you guys have five each. But I realized, oh, I'll just,

I know there's different stages of my life and a song that represents each stage or whatever, because 10 favorite songs like depends on my mood. Sometimes I'm in like, you know, give me some Alice in Chains or something. Sometimes in a minute or more chipper mood or whatever. It depends what's going on. Right. So, uh, I don't, I feel for you, but not really.

And Kim, now I have the same question for you. I asked your husband, are you ready to kick out the jams? Yeah, baby. I'm ready. Oh, it's a live version. The crowd is here. I like a little crowd action before I start. Oh, yeah Still no chance it's a rocky road

Still no chance it is the business true? Ooh, babe, let me get back, let me get back, let me get back Baby, where I come from Still no chance, no chance Lonely, lonely, lonely, lonely, lonely, lonely. Yes, you have. I have so many questions, but Kim, before we find out why you chose rock and roll here, the live version from the song remains the same. Yes.

Chris, what do you think of the first jam being kicked out by your wife here? It's amazing, yeah. I thought of it as a competition slightly where maybe you would pick who goes first based on the jam. I didn't know. But no, I think I think you might win round one. I think I chose who would go first based on who should close. And then I thought Kim should close. And I think why did I choose that? Oh yeah, her gender. So I'm just, I'm all over the place here. But Kim, why did you choose this live version of a Led Zeppelin song?

I chose this version because the song remains the same. In My Memory is one of the first albums that I ever purchased. And I was about 13 years old and it had pages of photos and it was just an incredible album and it was the first time where I wasn't kind of following my brother's lead. I had become friends with some girls at school and junior high and they were they loved Led Zeppelin and you know how it goes you form like a group of friends and this this was the album that I just remember cherishing, buying when I was super young and we used to go to the movie theater we take the bus downtown

St. Catharines and we would go and see the song remains the same because they would play that film and I'm sure I saw it at least three or four times. So yeah, I had a little bit of an early Led Zeppelin obsession. I eventually worked at a rock station and of course that showed it out. 97, seven hits FM iron Mike. Yes. All right. P sweet man. Shout out to Ridley Funeral Home. Yeah, there we go. Shout out to also, who else? Scruff Connors no longer with us too. He had some tours of duty at Hits 97.

He did, Morning Show. Yeah, also, this was the song that I was going back and forth. The other four songs that I chose, I was pretty sure of after the fact, but it was my first song that I was having trouble with because I'm like, am I gonna go early rock or am I gonna go more new wave? Because there was a whole time in my teens

where I was 100% on board with the CF and why and the other song. You could have opened with spoons. Anything. And I could have had a like, I could have had Rob Pruse record something for you. Damn it. Damn it. But you only told him yesterday. Well, so did I. I did. I did. Now I do have a recording here from Robert Plant. Hold on. No, just kidding.

I did see Robert Plant in concert, but it was with the Honey Drippers in 1985. So that was the only time I remember when we met. That's like the first version of the song I ever heard because of that Honey Drippers cover. I didn't know. I didn't realize. Oh, of course. See if I played that. I remember having to pull out that record and put it on a turntable and play it on the air. So part of my challenge as esteemed host is when do I ask all my CFNY questions? So I'm probably gonna show a little restraint here,

but we got one jam under our belt here. We've got, at least Chris and I have our Great Lakes beer and Kim, how is the Hop Pop? Actually, I quite like it. It's a non- Don't act so surprised. No, I, no, I, no, it's delicious.

The Hop Pop non-alcoholic, hot pop. Sounds like a grandfather's rocking it. No, they don't. They don't actually make a non alcoholic beer at Great Lakes. So that is the non alcoholic beverage you get at Great Lakes. And I quite like it too. Yeah, it's good. If you're looking for 0% alcohol, it works. I'm drinking the sunny side pale ale, which is like my summer beer that they make and the lager That's my wife's favorite Chris Delicious the pretty good. Yeah, I'm enjoying it. Thank you

Okay quick gifts before we get to your second jams because we're cooking with gas here today. Okay, there's a speaker This one okay, that is courtesy of minaris. It is a Bluetooth wireless speaker and I actually can give you each one. I don't have to make you share the speaker. So I'm making you share the lasagna because I only have one. I have a speaker. I got one last time. Okay, so this gets one now. Yes, he gets one this time. Okay, but with that speaker You have to do what Kim did you have to subscribe and listen to yes We are open which is an award-winning podcast from mineras season six just completed Al Grego came over last week to kick out jams related to season six episodes of yes, we are open You got your marching orders. All right. Okay, so enjoy your your speaker. I

Have I have to get one for you? Kim did you get the measuring tape? Did you get one? I did. OK, so now, Chris, you have a measuring tape. Awesome. You don't have to be jealous of Kim's measuring tape. And that's courtesy of Ridley Funeral Home. Pillars of this community since 1921. I said something about measuring my success with it.

Well, that's a good line, because usually people are measuring themselves for the casket. That's that. And it's like at this point, I's a good line because usually people are measuring themselves for the casket. That's the, that's that. And it's like at this point, it's like, I've heard that line so many times. Six feet in here. Yeah. Six feet under. Okay.

So this is a new thing, Kim. I don't think, no, I don't have that book. You guys can share. It is the history of the Toronto Maple Leafs baseball team. It's actually a really good book. Oh, beautiful. And it's funny. I was going to throw out the

first pitch on Sunday's game and the game got rained out and then they, I'm going to be there next Sunday. So the, uh, June nine, I'll be at Christie pits recording live, but they, you know, they said, okay, well you can throw your pitch out June nine, but it is a pride day. And I'm like, well, I'm not like I'm a supporter of a I'm an ally, but I'm not actually a member of the community. So a member of the community should throw this first pitch. So I don't know when I'll throw out the pitch, but I won't be throwing out the pitch Sunday, but I am recording live. And if people come to Christie Pitts and you should you can find me beyond the left field fence and then maybe pop on the mic and chat.

I got Mike Richards is my co-host for that recording. So that was very generous of you to say that it shouldn't be you. No it should be me. It was only me because of a rain delay because I was supposed to do it last Sunday and I was practicing and everything. Like my 10 year old I said okay because normally we play this tennis ball and I'm like okay I'm gonna use a hardball. Like I can't you know be practicing of a tennis ball and I get the hardball then I'm going to use a hard ball. Like I can't, you know, be practicing of a tennis ball and I get the hard ball. Then what the hell am I going to do with this thing? I had to make sure I don't embarrass myself throwing out that first pitch.

Have either of you thrown out a first pitch at a baseball game? No, not even you, Kim. Well, no, just if I was playing baseball with the, with the buddies years ago, that's not the same thing. Does Chris think that's the same thing? It's not the same thing. I did, you know, it was funny because I did. I did do the whole Mother's Day Blue Jays game. I was on third base. I was given the bouquet of flowers from Aaron Sanchez. All of that happened.

But leading up to it, I thought because they said you're going to be the honorary back girl for the Mother's Day game. I was like super psyched about it. Yeah. Got lots of great swag from the blue Jays. But I thought for a moment that I might have to throw a baseball. And I was terrified, terrified. And they're like, there's no... Have you seen 50 cents pitch? It'll make you feel better.

You're not going to do any worse than you did. Okay. Okay. Good. Well, I didn't have to do it. How's your bat? Like, can you hit? Because I think the Jays could use you this season. I have a beautiful bad. They gave me its pink.

They're losing on the way. I don't know. I checked in at the one as that high park. I checked in, but it's not going well. Not so good. Al we feasted on those white socks. Why can't we just play the white socks for the rest of the season? There must be a way we can make that happen. But all right, I'm going to get to jams and then I'll,

you know what, no, I'm going to do it all now because I just want to do jams the rest of the way. So this is a FOTM authored book. Bruce Dobigan wrote a book with his son and they're publishing it themselves. So this is an indie release, you know, shout out to the indies out there, an indie release. And the hardest part about like having a self published book is creating awareness. The

book exists. So they've given me some copies to give to good people like you. Just so I mentioned it, it's like they tricked me into mentioning it. No money changed hands or anything. But I have to remember the name of this book, deal with it. The trades that stunned the NHL and changed hockey. So I don't know if either of you are a hockey fan or if you know a hockey fan, but it's actually really interesting because the Gilmore trade is in there. Of course, I would assume that Gretzky trade is in there.

The Gretzky trade absolutely is in there. Good for you. And in shout out to the Edmonton Oilers who are in the, yes, go Oilers, go Oilers. I'm on that bandwagon and holding on tight. My wife was born and raised in Edmonton Oilers who are in the. Yes. Go Oilers. Go Oilers. I'm on that bandwagon and holding on tight. My wife was born and raised in Edmonton so we've been following it closely and I'm kind of like really jealous. Like I know she's there. She's excited. They won in six are going to cup and I'm kind of sitting there like I've never seen my team play a game in June. Like we have never in the history of the Toronto Maple Leafs there's

never been a June game because back when we would get to the finals, it would end in May. So we've never been to, maybe April actually now that I say it out loud. So we've never played a game in June and here the Oilers are playing well into June and I'm very, very jealous, but let's get to Chris Pack's second jam. Damn! Pause. I love that pause. Disappeared with time, it never made much sense Adolescent residence Wasting another night on planning my revenge Wanted death

Wanted death Wanted death Don't wanna be your monkey wrench Foo Fighters! Oh yeah! Woo! I like that pause in the beginning. I like how it just stops for a moment. Shout out to the pause jams out there.

Alright Chris, why Monkey Wrench from Foo Fighters? It's a true gem. I love that band. I've been on to them from the very beginning. Obviously Dave Grohl playing in Nirvana. I did get a chance to see Nirvana in the Unitero tour. Very good. And so lucky.

This is sort of an homage to being just lucky to be seeing a lot of these great bands early on. That Nirvana show was amazing and then highly anticipated food fighter. Was that Maple's Gardens? The Nirvana show? In-utero tour, right? They're already massive. Yeah, no, but I feel like it was Varsity Arena. I don't know. I say they're too big.

I say because Nevermind was so massive that post Nevermind breaking with smells like teen spirit. They're too big for varsity arena. Yeah, I just you've been in too many shows. Scammer of the man. I got a memory disclaimer, really. So if anyone wants to take a number and send in a note and just sort of as an aside, fun fact,

the Meat Puppets opened that show. The Meat Puppets came in for an interview on Live in Toronto that night. And one of the guys said, you know, are you going to the show? I'm like, no, I don't have tickets. He's like, oh, we'll put you on our guest list. I'm like, are you kidding me?

And so I called up a buddy, my buddy Andrew, and we were able to go see the Meat Puppets in Nirvana and amazing but so then got to Foo Fighters so also we talked about living in Hamilton when we moved to Hamilton we met some fabulous neighbors Jamie and Kim who lived two doors down and I I didn't know him that well I guess it was a couple years in in, I don't know. We got tickets, I got tickets to see Foo Fighters at Lee's Palace. So I invited him as a new friend to come with me to the show.

Wow. Lee's Palace, dude. That's amazing. And I just wanted to tell the story. Not a lot of people were there. I think you can actually look it up and watch the show. Maple Leaf Gardens, November 4th, 1993 at Maple Leaf Gardens. It was Maple Leaf Gardens, okay.

Continue. So there was a moment in the show. Maybelieve Gardens, November 4th, 1993 at Maybelieve Gardens. There was Maybelieve Gardens, okay. Continue. So there's a moment in the show where Dave was playing, I believe it was Everlong, he's playing guitar, and there's a bit of a break, and he decides to start roaming around the whole venue. Me and my buddy, Andrew, or sorry, Jamie, are at the back between the soundboard, roughly, and that's always the best place to watch a show and the bar.

And he starts to me enter through the crowd. I was already over and great song. It's okay. You're allowed to go longer than this song. Okay, imagine that's a new rule. I should do that. Like when the song is over, done. Next.

That's why I was talking fast. Then I got sidetracked by Nirvana. That's a good idea. And so he proceeds to walk all the way to the back of the bar. He gets on the bar, still playing guitar the whole time. The bartender hands him a beer. He chugs the beer, keeps playing, walks all the way back to the stage, gets on the mic. He's like, sometimes you just got to get your own beer

What's a bit thirsty but again fabulous show? Yeah, I can't say enough about that's amazing Lee's palace. Hey, what is what a small venue to see what would become a monster a monster band They're amazing. By the way, I shadow to the hammer The teenage head is like the great Hamilton band. Yes. These are their drumsticks. Jean Champagne gave them to me. Oh, wow. Nice. Actually, well, Jean Champagne was in the Killjoys. Yeah. Founding member. Yes. Absolutely.

With Mike Troublecock. Who lives in Hamilton. And as an FOTM like you, Chris Pack. Wow. I love Killjoys. Yes. Yeah. Today. I hate everyone. I love that band. OK. Raven Drool. All right. How come there's no Killjoys on your list here, Chris? Well, actually, it's band. Okay. Raven Drool. All right.

How come there's no Killjoys on your list here, Chris? Well, actually it's funny. He has lots of facts. Andrew, my buddy Andrew, who came to that Nirvana show with me directed their first video. Today I Hate Everyone. And there's a little girl that's on a tricycle. Of course.

That's his niece. Okay. I feel like that's amazing by the way. That's amazing. And I feel like they do that tricycle thing in another video by Killjoy's. Like, does it show up in another video? I'm not sure. Like, I don't know, Raven Jewel or something like that. I don't know. I can't. So no.

So something like that. OK, we'll do more killjoys talk later, but shout out to Jean Champagne. Absolute. By the way, not only Jean Champagne, champagne. Yeah. Founding member of Killjoy's current drummer with a teenage head, but dude made headlines for almost dying of COVID. Oh, that's right. He was in all the papers too across the country. So he's post-Raw, he was hospitalization, everyone giving their support. It was incredible.

You know what's smart? Because the best thing, it's almost like attending your own funeral. Shout out to Raley Funeral because like you're near death, it's everywhere, right? That's for laughing at that. It's in the star. Come on. So like some people will think you died first of all, but a lot of people will sort of eulogize you like you're on your deathbed and we're probably going to lose Gene. What a great guy, Gene.

What a talented thing. But Gene pulled through. Gene's making new music. Gene was in the basement a couple of weeks ago. Like he kind of got to attend his own funeral. The thing is, if you're trending on Twitter and you're over 60, automatically, automatically people are like,

What's wrong? RIP, I'm so sorry. Yeah, dust off that obituary. We're going with it. Okay, amazing. I am showing great, that was a great song. I'm gonna save my Weather Network songs, questions for Kim for after this jam. You ready, Kim?

Yeah, I'm ready. Walking round the room, singing stormy weather At 57 Mount Pleasant Street Well, it's the same room, but everything's different You can find the sleep but not the dream Things ain't cooking in my kitchen Strange reflection wash over me Julius Caesar and the Roman Empire Don't you think it should go to the chorus after that? Yes. Yeah, I was waiting for it. Yeah.

Who are we to backseat drive on this thing? When they re-released it, they put the chorus earlier. Yeah, it should be there. Don't bore us, get to the chorus. You're a poet, you didn't know it. I can't imagine why Kim McDonald is kicking out a song called Weather With You. This is crowded house. Why this jam, Kim? Oh my.

Well, there's a few layers here, Mike. Of course, because of the Weather Network. Been there 26 years. You work at the Weather Network. We work at the Weather Network. I had no idea. And we should always take the weather with us. Is that where you go every day?

That's where I am, honey. Yes, I, yeah. Chris, you watch the Weather Network when Kim is on? Jesus. Be honest with me. He's at CTV, he can't. I, so, yeah. Who ships this longer?

I come home and there's hockey games on, I don't know. I used to watch it more religiously. I would PVR it and I couldn't make it live. But you know, I know she does the good work. He trusts that everything's fine. When I leave, he says, or actually when he leaves, because he leaves earlier than I do from the house, he always says, say hi to Canada for me. So that's our little goodbye. Yeah. So, yeah. OK, of course, the obvious weather with you, the Weather Network.

But I also love Credit House. I saw them in 94 Massey Hall. And when I was at HITS, I loved them. Oh, my. Oh, what a great venue for Credit House. I loved them then. Oh my. What a great venue for Crowded House. Like song after song, so beautiful. And then Chris and I just went and saw them last year at Budweiser stage and Neil Finn sounding better than ever. It was incredible.

Like I was not disappointed at all. I was thinking, how can I not seen Crowded House in all these years? And then I'm Googling, I'm like, oh, they broke up shortly after I saw them. So I'm like, oh, they broke up shortly after I saw them. So I'm like, I guess I haven't missed them. But anyway, so yes, love that song, love many Crowded House songs,

but that's the one I chose because of obviously the Weather Network, but I love the band in general. It's your theme song. It is my theme song. It was actually my bio on Instagram until I changed it to I'm just Kim. Shout out to Barbie.

That's a good theme song. Now I'm thinking of weather jams, like REM's got that song, we can talk about the weather. We can talk about the weather. Actually, when we got married, we had weather themed songs on all the tables as a little thing in the middle.

And then we told people that they had to sing a weather themed song in order for us to kiss. So that was our lightning crash. My bridesmaids saying it's raining men. So that was fun. Hurricane by Neil Young. There's so you know what? Now I want to kick out the weather related. There's so many walking on sunshine. Oh my God. There's so many Katrina in the waves. Right. And which first broke in Canada., there's so many. Katrina and the Waves, right? Which first broke in Canada. And shout out to the good people at Attic Records

who distributed that here before it became a big hit in the rest of the world, yeah. And that year was? Casey. 19. 19. You know how I feel coming out of these up tempo songs with these dog, dog death announcements or whatnot. Love it so much Kim, but how are things going at the Weather Network since we last chatted?

Yeah, everything's going very well at the Weather Network. Thank you for asking. I saw so FOTM Anwar Knight is there and I can't remember if he was there when you were last here. I think he was. Yes. He just had come back, had come back to us. What's his favorite weather song? I cannot speak for Anwar, but I was listening to Michelle Mackie on here doing her kick out the jams. And of course she's a former Weather Network.

Two weeks ago, I was biking to High Park to see one of my kids play soccer and she was doing a live hit from like, just where you can see the sky my kids play soccer. And she was doing a live hit from like just where you can see the skyline in the background. And she and I'm biking by and there she is doing a live hit. And of course, I stopped my bike and we had she hugged me, but she had on her like TV makeup and it was all over my shirt.

Oh, my gosh. The TV. Did you sell it immediately on eBay? I haven't watched it since. Yeah, Michelle Mackey, great, great FOTM right there. Holy moly. But you're a great FOTM. Now, Chris Pack is an FOTM. So we got a little Weather Network check in there.

There might be more to come, but there's a station that I get to talk about after this song. So I'm going to get right now to Chris Pack's. What are we on? Jam number three. Okay, Chris's a sight to see you fade away What is this feeling that you're at the lead me revenge It'll get you in the end, it's cause revenge Oh, I know I should come clean But I prefer to deceive Every day I walk alone, yet to find the way that God won't see me I know it's wrong, I know it's wrong

Tell me why Is it I'm digging your scene? I know I'm dying, baby Digging your scene by the Blow Monkeys, Chris, talk to me. Oh my God, that's a throwback. Where do I start? So it's a very, I love this tune, it's a groovy tune. I only learned about it and I'll just get right to it because of Martin Streak. There was a time where, so my first meeting up with Martin Streak was volunteering

at the radio station and then I learned about this thing called the CFMY Video Roadshow and I was told by this guy Rob, also known as Babo, hey if you want to work on the show or looking for a guy you got to go talk to this guy Martin Streak, he's the general manager. And so I went and talked to him and I said hey I'm looking for work I have a TV background I know video stuff I hear you're looking for someone and so he invited me out to a show a couple of shows I remember I remember this vividly we were in so it's a five ton truck that delivers all the equipment to the show we Rob and I and him were in the cab of the truck

at the end of the night and Martin was like, what do you think, Rob? And he's like, he's all right. And then Martin's like, all right, you're hired. It was like super no, like not no, like, I don't know. It was very, it was a weird time, but anyway, cut forward to doing all these road shows. And there's a time when you're setting up the show

and everything's all set up and you're sound time when you're setting up the show and everything's all set up in your sound checking and you're just playing songs for you in the gym before the students come in and he would play this song and And just glide around on the dance floor like he was like totally in heaven like more part of the pun And just in his own element and often we would do these shows where maybe it was a prom or something and he would dress up in this fancy suit and sometimes a suit and shorts I don't know he and he would just I just would remember him moving around on the dance floor so effortlessly to this song and I didn't know anything about the blow monkeys this song and I just grew to love the

song and anytime I'd ever heard it or come on, I would remember him and those precious moments. That's beautiful man and I was going to ask you about your relationship with Martin Streak because I know you work closely with him on the video Roadshow and you know anyone who's heard David Marsden tell the story, he's told it on this show a couple of times but that was Streak's introduction to CFNY was he got that driver's license. You need to drive the truck. Yes. That's because you know, Marsden loves to tell that story. It was like, I got it. I got it. I got it. And

that was his only ever job. Like he got that job out of high school. Right. I don't know if you know the origin story of that, but well tell me, uh, he, he was the president of the students council, Arendale and Mississauga, and he wanted to hire the roadshow to come and do a dance there. And at the last second, I, the details are a bit sketchy, but I think that they, the school tried to cancel it and pull out and he staged a protest on the front lawn to, um to say that we want this show. You can't cancel it.

I mean, it got canceled, but like his effort to make the protest caught the eye of, I believe, Iver Hamilton. He was running it at the time. Yeah, I think you're 100%. Yeah. And so they invited him. Sorry, sorry. FOTM Iver Hamilton.

Yeah. I got it. Yeah. He's a cool guy like him. And so, yeah, they's a cool guy like him. And so, yeah, they invited him out to a show and then I guess they hired him to do crew and then and then eventually came the general manager and and and so, yeah, we did years of just shows. It was just a great time and yeah, I'd look back on it for me for sure.

Yeah, you know, I was looking at the dates and I was talking to Kim and I'm like, it's been almost 15 years. Yeah. Cause that was July 2009 when Martin Streak took his life. And that's 15 years ago. And his actual birthday is coming up too in June 16th, I think it is. I think it would have been his birthday.

Do for another party for Marty, I'm gonna have to call Mr. Fowler and see who's gonna work on this. But yeah, I was going to have to call Mr. Fowler and see who's going to work on this. But yeah, I was glad you could share those memories of Marty. And now I'm going to ask a few more questions if that's cool. Sure. Okay. So at some point the video road show ends, right? Yeah. Do you remember like in some point in the nineties, it comes to an end. So yeah, it was so happened there was I believe so there was a few things were happening at the same time.

They started a show called Friday Night High at some point. So some of the members of the Students Council would be able to come on a show that I think he hosted Friday nights, and they would just pick songs and play songs, and he would announce the school and stuff. And I just, I always remember, he would prompt them on why,

kinda like what you're doing, why did you pick this song? and stuff and and I just remember he would prompt them on why like kind of like what you're doing why did you pick the song and more often than not the answer was always it's a good it's a good song it's got a good beat and you could dance to it right like that so there he was always trying to pull more and then eventually this thing so I think he got an opportunity to do on-air work well he he takes over for Chris Shepard. Well, yeah, I mean, I mean, there's a chronological right story there. He so he was doing the Friday night high and then they then they wanted to give

him an opportunity. So then they they canceled the road show for that to run out the school year. And fun fact, he couldn't finish all the shows and I had to step in for him and be the VJ and do the shows and hire a new crew and finish it out. That was a privilege and tough, but I'd seen him do it so many times. I was able to pull it off. Did you dance like he did?

Across the floor to the Blow Monkeys? Did you have the Martin Street charisma? The legendary Martin Street charisma? Well, yeah. He's like, I don't know. He was, yeah, he was. What about the hair? I was just going to get there.

Yeah, he had he was very cool. He had this really long, curly hair. I don't know. Sorry, this is. It's I was, yeah, he was quite the mentor. Sure. Well, you know, because I've you know, I've actually never had a one on one conversation with Martin Street. I was just a listener.

Right. So like I come at it from a whole different angle. But at this point in the history of Toronto Mike, I think I've had, you know, 200 conversations about the man of people who actually knew him. Like Bob Willett is in this basement once a month for toast and bingo Bob What was his DJ name R2d2 or something? That was a little bit long I stopped your time cuz you're gone in like 99 right like Yeah, you don't I mean I wanted to get this point across here

So there was times where I always found him to be over the years like somebody that was always on If you know what I mean quotes on on, had to be on at clubs, talking to people. But there were times where after a road show, we'd be tired and we would go, he still lived with his mom at that point, I think. And we would go back to, he would still be interested in, um, not so much partying, but just winding down. And we would go back to grace's house and we would play chess and we would let, and this is where he first introduced me to Dave Brubeck. I didn't introduced me to Dave Brubeck I didn't know anything about Dave Brubeck. I was gonna be one of my songs but I did not

But we would listen to Dave Brubeck we will play chess and just chat and then into the wee hours and then I would eventually go home, but Just so those moments to me were off moments then you know what I mean? But not everybody saw that side of him, right? So you have a unique perspective. Lucky enough to have seen it, to have been around it. And then for years after that, there was always times I would just go over to his place and listen to music.

And I could have played Soundgarden, Nine Inch Nails, Pearl Jam, Tool, like all kinds of bands, but I just felt like that was too easy and not, I wanted to highlight a part of him that was maybe lesser known and more. No, I'm glad you did, right? Because we're learning more about him through you. And I think that's great.

And he, and I'll just, sorry, tell me to stop. Love means never having to say you're sorry, okay. No, go ahead, these are your jams. He would, I learned from him too. Also, he would run into like adversity. Like I remember one moment where, and I won't get into all of it, but he, um, some kind of, uh, something, uh, went down where it put him in a really low position.

Um, like professionally. And, um, he'd, he would still show up at the office with his briefcase and just, you know, have a smile on no big deal. I'll get through this. Like it was, it was some kind of bravery that I witnessed that I carry with me. I just can't imagine him with a briefcase. Yes. Well, that's the most shocking.

Is it like when Kramer had a briefcase and there was just like crackers in it? Well, he would roll into the office with a briefcase go and then crack it open, go into it, start going through videos that he would add for the next show. And they were all on beta tapes. Like it was like quit the process. Wow. Wow. Yeah. You know, you know, going. All right, Marty, love you, man. Here, man. So when you leave CF and why I'm just trying to follow, we'll take this opportunity to kind of get more

of the Chris Pack CFNY story. So after the road show is over, Stuart Myers puts you on Live in Toronto as producer, am I right? Yeah, so I first was- You know, Kim Hughes also on FOTM. She was, oh, she was a, okay. And I met her at, okay, I was at a book launch

for Pamela Wallen's cat book and Kim was there. Like she's like a big time cat lady. Yeah, she, I used to house it for her and watch, she would go away and have to watch her cats. Yeah. She's like, you know, there's no shame in that game. You know. She had quite the record collection and.

I'll bet. Cat collection. Yeah, it's a shame in that game, you know, quite the record collection and that collection. Yeah, but they're all songs about cats like love cats by the cure, you know, that's our next song. Stray cat strut. Let's keep going. Yeah. Oh, yeah. So the cat jam. Please. So, yeah, it was a transition like I was bored uping for Marty. We he got a gig. I'd voice tracked him at first.

We would. And then eventually he went live and I but wait a minute. So just so I get the timelines right, like this is the period when because you know, you mentioned Rocha comes to it. I guess we know the road show comes to an end. But this is a work. Shepherd.

Chris Shepherd was doing the live to airs, right, because it was Marsden did it. Then Shep, of course, legendary Chris Shepherd. Yeah. Do you two have any idea where Chris Shepherd was doing the live to airs, right? Cause it was Marsden did it, then Shep, of course, legendary Chris Shepherd. Do you two have any idea where Chris Shepherd is? I'm trying to find this guy. No, Chris, look me in the eyes. Look me in the eyes. I don't know for sure.

You might know. He might be on- Chris knows. I mean, everyone's always- Just put it out there. There might be on an island somewhere, is all I've heard. Costa Rica. P-E-I, he's in Charlottetown.

He's on Toronto Island Island hiding in plain sight. I'm gonna kayak over there and find this motherfucker. Okay, so but post Shep that of course until he's let go by the station, right? Until he's fired by CFY. Martin Streak is the live to air guy following Shep. And that's where a lot of us hear. He also did the Thursday 30 though, for a stretch of time.

And then many of those years with the aforementioned Pete Fowler. I think George Strombolopoulos co-hosted with him for a short time. But you're producing live in Toronto with Kim Hughes. Yes. And of course that was a big, I mean, to me when I was, cause I was a big CFY listener in the 1990s, but live in Toronto of Kim Hughes was huge. It was. Yeah, it was hosted by.

That's way cooler than Scott Turner. Weather person, okay. Just kidding, Kim, just kidding. I'm not, I'm not going to disagree. I'm good. I told him, I'm like, Mike is just, I'm just. And Sandra Plagagas took your gig.

Is that right? Am I remembering my story? Yes, you are. 1280, that's me. I'm just here for decoration. No, I'm like, Mike wants to talk to you. I want to talk to both of you. And this will come back to Kim.

We've already talked. I'm fine with this. You know, Chris, I wanted to find out a little more about the CFNY years. But why are you willing to share like why it ends for you at CFNY? Oh, well, so you're jumping share like why it ends for you at CFM? Oh? Well, so you're jumping right to white hands. Well, I mean, you know, I gotta get to bed at some point No, I got it. I got a lucky break jumping right a road show ended out of out of work started board-opping

They were cooking up this new idea for a show a new host Kim had never done radio before she came from now magazine Right there putting us together. We want to put you guys together this new idea for a show, a new host, Kim had never done radio before, she came from Now Magazine. They're putting us together, we wanna put you guys together. I had a bit of an audition for editing in the control room and they were like, great, nope, you're the guy for the job. It was I think a half an hour at first, maybe an hour in Brampton. Eventually it was hard to get guests

to come up there for interviews. They had this idea to then do a storefront studio live broadcast at the edge of Burr Blur Bathurst. So I'm down there now. It became a two hour show eventually. And we just had a ton of bands come by all the time. Name check some of the bigger bands that dropped by. All of them. Radiohead. Yeah, Radiohead came by, David Bowie came by, Kate Bush, Oasis.

Robert Smith? No, but we went on a junket to New York to interview Robert Smith in the hotel room. My research staff will be fired immediately following this episode. No, he never came into the studio, but we did fly places to interview people which is cool Yeah, just every like in all the Canadian bands, you know

Like she was just on the pulse of all of what enough about killjoys Okay, and she I almost played a song from the mutton birds, which is like a band from Australia that you wouldn't know Yeah, but she had them come in though station never played them. We've played tracks interviewed them Yeah, but she had them come in though station never played them We've played tracks interviewed them highlighted their show and moved on and that was it and I just it stuck with me And like there's a few songs. I was playing that for you the other day Kim. That's super fucking cool Yeah, punk and I love it But does the program director blow a gasket like this like like what does this Stuart? My I think about the fact you're you're showcasing a band that CFY does not play

I don't know what his personal thoughts were, but she was allowed to do. We had Neil Gaiman on, like he's not a musician. Like, you know, she interviews him. We play songs related like it was. It was a really great time. It's a great show. People would come down and watch the show and and they and artists will play live all the time and I would have to mix them, set up the mics.

I didn't know what I was doing, honestly. Like, for the very first band, I really wish I could remember who it was, came in, I set up the mics, played live, I mixed it, and then I get a call from, her husband was a big deal, and he called me after the show and he goes, hey man, I was listening to that on the radio, that sounded great.

I'm like, okay, I'm good. Why did you leave was the question. So the good. Well, as funny story, Stu Myers, I went into his office and I was looking for the dirt on this. This is actually, yeah, this is some good dirt. I went into his office and I had heard that people were making maybe two dollars an hour more than me. And I'd been there for a while and I'd asked for a raise. Truth be told, I was making $10 an hour

and some ops were making 12 and so I'd asked for a raise and he bumped it up to 11. I'm like, oh, that's like a dollar more, it's not 12. It's like, how do you, like, what's the justification there? He's like, that's a 10% raise, dude. I'm like, 10% of nothing is not much. It's actually more than 10%, right? Because you're going, yeah, you're nine.

It's actually one out of nine. So it's actually more than 10%. But I'll never forget this, and this was key. He's like, look, I'm gonna tell you something. And this is not being your boss, this is being a friend. You need to get out of this place. You's not, it's you're better than this and you have so much to offer and you need to follow that, right?

And so I like, hmm, you know what, maybe you're right. And that's when I, I had gone to school for television and film and I hadn't had a TV job yet. I got sort of sidetracked into radio for like eight years. And so I started looking around and then that's when I got the job at the Weather Network. So I quit CFO and went to work at the Weather Network.

So where exactly do you meet the great Kim McDonald? At the weather network. So, well, you want me to tell you the story, the man? Well, we'll come back to it. So, OK, so I promise to come back to that story. So we've that's your CF and why it's interesting. You got that real talk from your PD there. Like, yeah, that's like the scene from Good Will Hunting. Right. That's right.

We're Ben Affleck's like every time I come to pick you up, I hope you're not there. Yes. Every time they start live in Toronto, they hope Chris Pack has show hacked up a ship and working somewhere else of those skills he has. It was a four hours a day. It wasn't a full-time gig. Like just the show was a two hour show I'm there for two hours of prep and that's so it's not a yeah, but it's five days a week, right? Yeah, 40 dollars a day, Mr. Don't let my way my I want to shed out Jeremy Hopkins who's on the the live stream. It has informed me that the, I called the bingo Bob's DJ name R2D2. It's actually RQ EQ.

Oh, right. I do remember hearing that. I would thank you for the fact. And also this is a weather network person who's on the live stream from British Columbia, Mike Hannafin. Oh, my. Hey, Mike. Hey, Mike Hanifin. Oh my. Hey, Mike. So Mike's just making sure you guys that you

guys are kicking out good jams here. I'm sure Mike's about to go kayak somewhere or hike or hike or like somewhere. He's a very active individual. Okay. We're going to pick up the whole I want. I will definitely before we wrap up today, I'll get the whole like how does Kim and Chris fall in love? Like where does this happen at the Weather Network? What's going on there? We're gonna get back to it. But I gotta get to the third jam from Kim and it is something like,

I was gonna say it's contemporary, but now you could tell me now in a minute, this is 10 years old. It sounds like, it feels like 10 minutes ago, but this is a lot newer. Quick, about the Led Zeppelin song you kicked out. Yeah. Is it? And I'm curious because we're similar age, right? Like you're only, uh, I don't know. Maybe I've only, I don't, I won't even say anything further.

I know. I was like, you know, I'm right. I was like, like Mike, where the fuck you going with that? Yes. We're similar vintage. I'm going to say, okay. Yeah. And it is interesting. Your girlfriends are all like, uh, the song remains the same. Led Zeppplein, let's Eplein. It feels like you're too young for that. That's right. You know? Yeah, we were, uh, I mean, the album had come up years before we were, uh, you know, we were, that band's not together anymore. They were, no, they were not together when we were into it.

But, uh, for some reason that was it. That was our jam. It's interesting how you introduce these legacy bands. My first Led Zeppelin disc which I also which was a CD but I bought it in high school was four which had the original version of the studio version of that song you can't go rock and roll. So okay but here's a different song Kim's Third Jam. I have to look at Chris's reaction to Kim's jam. ["Kim's Jam"] The club isn't the best place to find a lover so the bar is where I go.

Me and my friends sat at the table doing shots, drinking fast and then we talked slow. Come over and start up a conversation with just me and trust me I'll give it just now Take my hand, stop, and the man on the jukebox And then we start to dance And now I'm singing like girl, you know I want your love Your love was handmade for somebody like me

Come and now follow my lead I may be crazy, don't mind me Say, boy, let's not talk too much Grab on my waist and put that body on me Come and now follow my lead Come, come and now follow my lead Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm I'm in love with your body. Last night you were in my room. And now my bedsheets smell like you. Every day discovering something brand new. I'm in love with your body.

Ooh, I, ooh, I, ooh, I, ooh, I. I'm in love with your body. Ed Sheeran. Ed Sheeran. All right, Kim, why Ed Sheeran? All right, so this is a little bit dark actually. So this song came out in 2017. This is the year that I was dealing with breast cancer.

And this is the year that I had a double mastectomy. And all I could hear was, I'm in love with the shape of you. I'm in love with your body. And I was like, geez, this is dark for me. But I love Ed Sheeran. I love him so much. And then, and this this is dark for me. But I love Ed Sheeran, I love him so much. And then, and this song just really hit differently, you know, my body was completely different

than what it was before. And it just really struck me. And it's so funny because this is the second most streamed song ever on Spotify. Yeah, it's massive. Like, millions. Blinding Lights, The Weeknd. Toronto's number one? Like billions, blinding lights, the weekend. Toronto boy.

Look at you, fun facts. That is a fun fact. That is a fun fact. I had a totally different take on that. I thought you were in love with the shape of my body. I am. I actually thought it was my body. So awkward here, oh my goodness.

And now I regret it. There's two ways to approach this, right? Like one is, like you could be like, oh my body, my shape is changing in some respect and but but you can still be in love with the shape of your body right so did you take it as like an empowerment anthem yes you know I mean this it was like just how I was trying to accept how I was changing I the the meaning of the song changed for me as well. So at first it was like, damn it. And now it's like, you know what? Damn it. Right. But that's good art. I'm fine with how I

look. The shape of my body is completely different, but that's okay. I'm all right with it. Like an empowerment anthem. That's right. It was funny. I remember lying in radiation and listening to Alicia Keys, this girl is on fire. And I'm like, why? This is a song that you're playing in here purposely. Right. Right. And I thought, well, that's a little awkward, but you know what? These were the songs that were number one when I was going through cancer treatment.

You're just playing the hits, Kim. Just the hits. There was nothing personal. Okay. So now take quick jams for when you're going through cancer treatment. Can you just play the hits, Kim? Just the hits. There was nothing personal. Okay, so now take quick jams for when you're going through cancer treatment. Let's go. Yeah, that's the next song. I mean, the next special.

We'll kick those out. Kick those out. Kick out the cancer jams. The cancer jams. Now I'm thinking of Kids in the Hall. They had Cancer Boy, right? Yes, that's right. I was on Kids in the Hall.

Chris was on Kids in the Hall. Okay, tell me who you played on Kids in the hall, they had cancer boy, right? Yes, that's right. I was on Kids in the Hall. Chris was on Kids in the Hall. Okay, tell me who you played on Kids in the Hall. I was in one episode, it was, I played a bully. Neve Campbell was on a couple episodes. It was second season. There was only three extras that day. I was, so the agent I had at the time was a huge CF and Y fan, and so he tried to like,

get me some better stuff. I'd never heard of the Kids in the Hall when had at the time was a huge CFM Y fan. And so he tried to like get me some better stuff. I'd never heard of the kids in the hall when I got the gig. Really? Yeah, cause it was second season. I hadn't really watched it. I'd heard about it. I had to look them up. I don't know how I looked them up.

How would you look them up in that? You'd have to, you know, you had the white TV talk back Jim bought in or whatever at Star week. Yeah. How did you look them up? I don't know. I asked 10 people. Is there, was there dial up? Do don't know. I just asked 10 people.

Was there dial-up? Do we have internet? You went to the library. You called them on the phone. Microfiche. Actually with them, you probably could just go to the Rivoli and see if they're there. Hey, I got questions about your show.

And it was a very, it was a two- Do you remember the skit? Yes, we've seen it. We've seen it. You can look it up on YouTube. I'm a huge fan. I can't really tell you the name of it. It doesn't hold up.

No, it's not politically correct. It was about some bullies bullying a person for being different. Sure. And so we're chased. So it was, we shot it on University Avenue and like at one or two in the morning when the traffic was low and we're chasing

Bruce McCullough down into a subway and we're like we're wearing football jackets There was me and two other extras and all the kids I feel like I remember this and so and so that's the end of the filming of that and then There's a two-parter where I'm part of the live show. So now we're and it's two shows so we we make our way down into a subway platform and uh mckinna mark mckinney mckinney um was a vampire And protecting this person we were chasing and trying to school us on how to be better thugs and so uh I

Okay, so I was a huge fan, like tuning in on CBC to watch this thing when it first ran. And even still today, I'm still a big fan. You wouldn't recognize me. I had really long blonde hair and it was shaved up the side and it was flowing out the back and stuff. I can't believe you were on Kids in the Hall. And there was a couple of closeups.

So funny story, there was, so we would all line up and Bruce McCullough would, he would run first, the director would yell action and we would all line up and Bruce McCullough would he would run first The act the director would yell action and we would all chase him and one of the kids said to us and the rest of them He's like, okay on this on the next one Nobody runs because you're all yelling and screaming and whatever and so he calls action and Bruce takes off By himself yelling screaming and then turns around and realizes like they pulled a gag and no one's chasing him and so I'm like, oh, that was a funny thing to do.

They were fucking funny. I mean, they still are actually. They were great guys. Even the new season is funny on Prime, but I think those five are just tremendous. I guess two different couplets that kind of merge here in Toronto and then they add Scott Thompson who was just like an annoying super fan

who would just come to the shows or whatever at the Rivoli, but then bam, it all worked perfectly. I think they're amazing. I think they're amazing. And I'll just shed a future episode of Toronto Mike with Don Pyle, who is the drummer for shadowy men on a shadowy planet. And the reason I bring that up is because,

did you know Chris Pack, and you Kim can answer as well, but did you know that shadowy men on a shadowy planet played that theme song having an average weekend live before every single episode? So it's not a canned theme. They just play they play a live live every single time really That's cool. This is revealed in the prime documentary based on the book by FOTM Paul Myers Interesting. Yeah. Fucking right. It's interesting. With Gravelberries, big, big band. All Myers used to come by for an interview on live occasionally.

Yeah, of course. Of course. I did. This is very bad. But can I tell you a very thing story? Yeah, I I this is I thought this was going to be funny. I'm at the horseshoe one night watching a show and Mike Myers is at the venue and watching the show. And I thought it'd be funny to go up to him and mistake him for Paul Myers. That is funny, because they do look alike.

Yes, they do. They look alike a lot. So I'm like, Paul, he's like, no, it's Mike. And I'm like, oh, sorry. And you're disappointed, right? And I just, I thought he would maybe get the gag because he's a comedian, but maybe he's like, you know, I'm just here to watch a show, man. Like, just leave me alone.

He was a big Gilmore fan. OK, you'll learn about that trade in that book there. OK, amazing. But now I see here it's Chris. It's got the next jam. You're ready. Yeah. I forget what it is. That's always the best. There's a storm outside and the gap between crack and thunder, crack and thunder is closing in, is closing in. The rain floods gutters and makes a great sound on concrete. On a flat roof there's a boy leaning against a wall of rain, aerial held high, calling

Come on thunder, come on thunder Sometimes when I look deep in your eyes, I swear I can see your soul. It's a monsoon. She only comes when she's on top. James! James, yes. My firstborn's name is James. Oh wow.

That's why I picked this song. Thank you. This guy knows the way to my heart. He did his research. This guy had me a hello. Also weather reference. Yeah. Covers a lot of bases.

Lot of weather reference. Okay, tell me why sometimes. Probably all time favorite band. Love James. I almost love every song they do. Interesting that's your all time favorite band. Yeah. Because a little unusual to be an all time favorite.

Yeah, if I had to pick top three, I've seen them live a bunch of times. Favorite show was at the Opera House. Just like a moving experience to be honest. Like just his voice, the guitar riffs, like I don't know and Tim Booth always, always just, you know, I don't know. And Tim Booth always, always just, you know, I don't even, I'm speechless. Sorry, I'm losing my focus.

Kim, what do you think of this selection by Chris? Yeah, this is right on brand. Yeah. Didn't we have a pig carpet that said James on it? No, that's cake. Oh, was one of those. So remember the cake that there's a, I used, that's Cake. Oh, it was one of those things. Do you remember Cake? Of course. I used to get a lot of swag from our promo record company. It's like a crown or something?

Yeah, there's a pig and it just says Cake and it's a carpet I have in the... I was at that Edge Fest when Cake was on before Nickelback. I don't know if you were at this. Oh yes, yes. At late 90s or whatever. And then people threw all their water bottles at cake and they only play the three or four songs. And I said like, fuck this.

It's not safe. We're out of here. And then, and I remember thinking at the time, like, does the crowd think that Nickelback comes on early because the, it's like, they're still coming out at the same time. Now you just have, you know, dead air for an extra hour or whatever. But that was the Molson Park in Barry I'm sure you know I'm never getting some swag also from James because I have a like a 45 of a live version of sit down I think I have a have a little box of condoms that says it has the James me well silly condoms I kept you don't have any humble and Fred kind of think they were I think they have expired but

They James when expired It says it says it says on there. How was it for you? Which is one of their songs. It's a great, great promo for James. And I have a, oh, and I have a hat. What are those hats called where it's got the, it's got fur and it flips up at the front. It's got the ear flaps. Oh yeah, like Elmer fun, maybe.

Yeah. And it's got a, one of the flower from typical James. Does it have a name? I don't know. We should ask the weather specialist. I don't know. And it has that flower on the one side. It's not about balaclava. I don't know what it is. It makes sense for James to have condoms because their big song is called Laid.

Yes. Of course. And then you, Chris, of course, you get Laid sometimes and we get this song. Excuse me. That's it for me. We're shutting this down. But the kids, the girls, they hated that hat. If I put that hat on, they're like, Daddy, don't wear that hat. That's so embarrassing for you.

All right. If anyone in the live stream can tell me the proper name of that hat, I will share it with you. It's like a, like a, like a hunter's, like a hunter's hat. Yeah. Like, yeah. And I only know Elmer Fudd wears it because he was shooting rabbits. Right?

It's wabbits. It's wabbits season. Right. Hey, Chris, before we get to Kim's next jam, her penultimate jam. Cause he was shooting rabbits. Wabbits. Wabbits. Wabbits season. Hey, Chris, before we get to Kim's next jam, her penultimate jam, did you have a relationship cause you were working on Live in Toronto when he would be calling into Kim there? Did you have a relationship with Dave Bookman? Yes. What can you share?

Cause you know, Martin Streak left us far too soon. Bookie gone far too soon. Yeah. Yeah. Bookie gone far too soon. Yeah, yeah, bookie. Yeah, that guy was unbelievable. His support for Indy music. He would do the new music Tuesdays at the Horseshoe. I'd go there as many times as I could. Um, he would do segments on live in Toronto where I mean he would report on stuff, but then do segments on live in Toronto where I mean he would report on stuff but then sometimes he would interview bands. He was just so passionate about it I can't say enough. I mean he came into work one day I don't know how many people would

know this story but he was sick as a dog. He had a he'd suffered from some kind of like is a deviated septum I don't know he hadn't he couldn't smell. When I we talked one time he's like yeah I can't smell anything Iated septum. I don't know. He hadn't, he couldn't smell. When I, we talked one time, he's like, Oh yeah, I can't smell anything. I don't have that. I don't have the sense of smell anymore. And he was stuffed up a lot and not feeling well. And he had, he had to do report on the show and he, he couldn't, he couldn't sit in a chair and do this, do the report. So much like, can you imagine you're set up here right now for people at home? It's a desk with mics on one of those like old lamps. It's a very fancy operation.

These lamp kind of desk things. So we had him lying on the floor, I moved the mic all the way down to be in front of his mouth and he did his whole report while lying on his back on the floor talking into the mic and just riffing about whatever band he was promoting that night. And I was like blown away. I'm like, dude, like, how do you even like, you should be home and in bed, but he just still was, it was the music was the most important thing.

Those are the days when people went to work when they were sick. And we applauded them. That's right. We made them heroes. Yeah, just an all around good guy. Yeah. Here. Loved him. Yeah. And if one person did it, everyone had to fucking do it. So it was like, stop doing that. I get back. Stop coming to work sick.

Now they expect me to come to work sick. Real quick here, we're going to kick out the penultimate jam by FOTM Kim here. But I was listening to this podcast from FOTM JD about Gore Downey stuff, and they referenced a Gore Downey interview he did on CFOX, and they said, oh yeah, he had a chat with Anil Morrison, and I was like, shout out to brother Bill.

So if brother Bill is listening, then White Rock British Columbia wanted to shout out brother Bill here. I haven't seen him in years. I would love to see him again sometime. Brother Bill's been on the show a million times. I've never met the man, ever. Wow.

Like he's just never made it. He was coming here and then shout out the Ridley funeral home, his mother passed away, and then the trip got canceled. Like, come on out and let's hang Brother Bill. So you do Zoom? Yeah, he Zooms in from, from White Rock, but never met the man.

All right, Kim, you ready for your penultimate jam? I am. And then after this jam, can I get the origin story of your love? Because if I forget to do that, I'm going to make you drive back from Hamilton just to, to recall that. The last one, I can do that.

The last. So do you want to do it after your last jam? Yeah. Okay. Say no more. You're the producer of this program all right here we go He left no time to regret, kept his way with his shame, oh, save me. Me and my head high and my tears dry Get home without my guide You went back to what you know So far removed From all that we went through And I took a trouble track My arms are stacked

I go back to black We only said goodbye with words, I died a hundred times You go back to her and I go back to us. I love you much. Back to black, Amy Winehouse. What a great song. Isn't it? Yeah.

God, it's a great song. It's honestly one of the greats. That's why I chose it. It is superior to rehab. I just think that this song is so brilliant. And I chose it because, first of all, it's an incredible song, but I, this is one of the things where I'm always challenging myself to be less judgmental, less self-righteous, more understanding of people and Amy Winehouse was one of those people that I was judgmental of and self-righteous about and I watched her doc, Amy, and I was completely wrong about who she was and what she was and

what her intentions were. And you know, this is something I'm always striving for is to find out why people behave the way they do and, you know, and give them grace. And I'm always reminded that, you know, you can't jump to conclusions. Amy Winehouse was misunderstood. She was a brilliant musician. She died way too young and all she wanted was the music. And she was made fun of by late night talk show hosts.

You know, her name was dragged through the ground because she had an addiction. And it's, it's heartbreaking what happened to her and she didn't, you know, she hadn't surrounded herself with the right people, people who could save her from herself basically. And this song, this whole album is just so heartbreaking and you can just hear her brilliance in every line and all the music. And if you see that documentary, Amy, you see that that's all she ever wanted to do. She didn't want to be famous. She didn't want to necessarily win a Grammy. She just wanted to... She embodied music. She just wanted to sing. She just wanted the music. And yeah,

she's a victim. I think we've come a long way with how we look at addiction. I feel like it wasn't that long ago, 15, 20 years ago, where it's like, what's wrong with you? You're a fucking train wreck, you're weak, suck it up, whatever, buttercup. And now you have an illness that we need to treat. We've completely, I think, evolved when it comes to

how we look at the addicted. I used to always think these people have everything. Why? Why are they throwing it away? You know, why do why do they die too young? Why do they overdose? Why do they commit suicide? I didn't have the compassion that I do now that, you know, I'm older, I understand it much better. But I was I would always think you have everything. Why are you throwing it away? And Amy Winehouse is just one of those people. And now I just, you know, I adore her and I adore this song

and I've listened to it probably 200 times. And I'm with you, rehab was like, I feel like that was the bigger hit maybe, but this is the better song. Yeah, back to blind. I agree, and that was well said. Thank you. Yeah. Back to black and green. That was well said. Thank you. Yeah.

He's a big fan of yours. Do you know that? I do know that. All right, Chris, before we play your final jam here. So, you know, we talked about your 10 years there or so at a CFNY and, and we'll probably do it later. Like after these final jams, we'll discuss how you are at the, uh, the Weather Network. I don't know if you know this, but Kim is still there at the Weather Network. Okay, we'll talk about that. But where are you today? Like, can you tell us like Chris Pack? What would you say you do around here these days?

What's going on? I work at CTV at the moment. I've been at there for a while at work in news. I'm a control room director. I direct the national news with Sandy Ronaldo at five 30. Wow, that's Sandy. Ronaldo has I can't remember a time before her. Like I don't remember a time before there was no time before. So she's but she was doing weekends for 38 years, I think. So I was her director on the weekends

for a bunch of years now, four or five years. And then they decided to launch this new show, you know, an effort to bring the news on a national level earlier in the day. And they offered me the gig and I said yes. What's earlier? Like what time does this end? So our first show is at 4.30.

So it's Atlantic Canada's show 5.30. So it's basically 5.30 in every time zone. And so, and then at 5.30 we're on, sorry, 4.30 Atlantic Canada News Channel, 5.30 Mainnet, and then we're 5.30s for the rest of the time zones across the country. So, but we don't do, we're not live for every show. We, at some point we play it back.

Cause- Sc scandalous. Okay. So it gave him the $12 an hour. So he took it. He took it. He took it. Yeah. I love doing it. She's great to work with. We have a good relationship as far as

Would Sandy Rinaldo do Toronto Mike? That's a big question. Well, I have to tell you, Mike, you're on her radar now. Like, does she know I exist? I want to know Sandy Rinaldo as of today. So I, so after you, Mike, you're on her radar now. Like, does she know I exist? I want to know if Sandy Renold is as of today. So after the show today, before I left, I was like, hey, this is what me and my wife are doing tonight, and we're going to be on his show.

Have you heard of Toronto Mike? She said no. And then- She didn't even hear Lloyd Robertson on Toronto Mike. She's friends with Lloyd. She's known, obviously. Of course. Yeah.

Maybe they didn't talk about it. I'm sorry. I don't know. Now Lloyd was great on Toronto Mike, by the way. Oh, but here. So now my new guy like to assign homework. I actually so Steve Paken was over and I'm like, I'm going to sign him. I'm going to get because because Bob Ray is a guy who's been on my radar, but he lives in New York because he's working for the like he's a UN ambassador.

This guy. Okay. So I said, okay, Paken, I want I want Bob Ray, but I'm not fucking zoom in with Bob Ray. Bob Ray's in the basement. Okay. Pagan delivered Bob Ray's in the fucking calendar to be in the basement. Okay. But here's your assignment, Chris. This is important. Now that we're about to, okay, you're going to deliver Sandy Ronaldo. I want Sandy Ronaldo on Toronto, Mike. Interesting.. So you know, you can only do your best. Well, she wanted, she's like, how do I listen to this podcast?

Like the episode and I said, well, it's on. Just make her listen to this part, skip the rest. Yes, so she wanted- When she hears lose yourself, she's gonna just lose it. She wanted me to send her the link so she could hear Kim and I on this podcast, so. There you go. Sandy Rinaldo. And since she's probably gonna be listening to this love working with Sandy. She's the best

It's true So many media jobs Chris, so don't mess it up. So live control room directing is just becoming a thing of the past I'm like holding on as long as I can but a lot of automation is I'm like holding on as long as I can, but a lot of automation is creeping in and the androids are doing it. And so I'm happy and grateful to work with a team of fantastic crew, real people. And how come you're reading that from like a PR statement over there? I enjoy working for Bell Media and they cheat me very well. But Sandy, I'm excited about Sandy, Renalda.

So you work and again, pardon my ignorance, okay? But is she five days a week? Yeah. Okay. For the first time in a long time. Yeah, she was, well, yeah, she would have been working weekends and then doing stuff for W5 during the week.

Okay. She just recently celebrated her 50th anniversary with CTV. Okay, I'm doing the math on this. Wow. Okay, well she should come on Toronto Mikes and talk about these 50 years of being on CTV. Let's do it. Sure, I'll do your best.

I'll do what I can. Report back. He'll share the link, that's all he can promise. No, the rest is up to you. He can promise more than that. He can't make Sandy Rannell. He's not gonna kidnap her and force her into the basement. Okay, we can't do that.

Maybe you gotta go and do the show remotely somewhere. I've done that before. Who is it? Jim Cuddy was like, can you come to the woodshed? And I'm like, yeah, I'll come to the woodshed. Chuck D said, can you come to the band shell? And I did it behind the band shell. I've done remote.

I'm gonna be at the Joe Carter Classic in a couple of weeks. And I think I'm gonna to be at the Joe Carter classic in a couple of weeks and I think I'm going to chat up not only Joe Carter, but Dan Marino for goodness sakes. Like this is happening. So I will do the remote. I'm at Christie Pitts on Sunday, Chris. All right. I'll go to Sandy. Okay. That's not going to just leave it there. So I've interviewed Bob Ray, if that's helpful, if you need any tips later in your basement, in a hotel room, actually many years ago, he didn't try anything, did you? Cause I'll open with that. No. Okay. Cause you know, Kim's happily married to Chris pack. I learned that today. Okay. So we are going to discuss that in a minute here,

but okay. So you're at CTV now and we'll get back to weather network in a moment, I suppose, but I want to make sure. Okay. We're on track. One more track each. Okay. Chris, you ready for your final jam? This was fun by the way. And I hope you had a good time. I had a great time. It's been great. A lot of fun. You're reading that too. Did you get a lot? It's been a lot of fun. Come on. We're authentic on Toronto mic to get. I don't allow. I've never had a better time. I am having the time. He is the best host I've ever seen. Where's my fucking lasagna?

OK, here we go. Chris, back's final jam. Hello my name is Ishme Forget the one about the wind Tell you of a broken hearted sailor Baby took my loyalty I treated her like royalty And started with such promise ends in failure Oh my love, I can't stand to be alone And I've been drinking too much, I'd better go home Drinking too much, I better go home And I've been here, I've been around for long

But I've been drinking too much, I better go home I held the queen of Cruelty, she has duly been anointed His final words of majesty have you said He who expects nothing, never will be disappointed Nothing's what she left me so I guess I'm okay Oh my love I can't stand to be alone And I've been drinking too much, I better go home And I think here we all stand alone But I've been thinking too much, I better go home The trues

Talk to me Chris. Oh my God, The Truths. Amazing band from Hamilton. Amazing live band playing live. Seen them a bunch of times. Lots of stories. Most recently I saw them in Buffalo with my buddy Jamie. seen a bunch of times, lots of stories. Most recently I saw them in Buffalo with my buddy Jamie, and among others, and this,

it's a good part of the song, sorry. It's in here. Can you make a conductor? ["Trick or Treat"] So when they sing it live, they'll say, so the line is... We're all broken hearted here. We're all broken hearted here. We're all broken hearted here.

We're all broken. Oh, my love, I can't stand to be alone I'm digging it, just a specific, you know, you wanted the live version, we should point that out So for a couple reasons, just saw the What's the name of the song, too? Ishmael and Maggie So, recently saw them in Buffalo and so during the show they will play this song acoustically and and in this particular instance they wandered

into the crowd with their acoustic instruments and played the song in the middle of the crowd. I'm this far away from them, from you and me right now, and I have it all on video. If I'd caught the beginning of it, I would have given you my version of it. That might not have sounded as great, but anyway, they're playing right in front of me and amazing. And what a privileged opportunity.

They also, this will get into a longer story, but seen them a bunch of times, had to represent Canada. There's a ton of amazing Canadian bands and we could do a whole show on just top Canadian bands that are jams. But so years ago, friends of ours Jamie and Kim started a charity called Let's Shake. It was to raise money and awareness for Parkinson's research, which is a teenage head song. Yes.

And actually, and he would come to the show and play the song. Gordy Lewis, yes, Gordy Lewis. Really would come and play with Jamie and Jamie's band. And it was a very kind of a family environment. But it started small, but it grew very big. And like we'd have six seven hundred people there Music and it was always kit. So Kim has early onset Parkinson's They decided to give back and try and do this charity. It took off Kim and I helped Kim would host the night

It was never small. It started at 500 people grew to seven hundred Okay No, well they have a lot of friends. So Jamie plays in a band. He's got a lot of musician friends. And and it was always Kim's dream to have the trues play at her event. And so the other Kim. Yeah, the other. Yeah, we have to always make that distinction.

Yeah, Kim Petrie. I'm following along. And so she kept she would chase the band. The two Kims would go to shows and try and get backstage and tell them anyway. They finally agreed to it and they came and played. Was it the last one? No last one. They came and played and headline headline event. Amazing.

So we got to sort of hang with them a little bit and it was an amazing show. And I just wanted to shout out to Jamie Kim for doing all the good work they did over the years. The event doesn't happen anymore, but I feel like we want to bring it back. Bring it back. But COVID kind of shut it down, among other things. Yeah. But just great Canadian. We're going to see them on the 22nd at Jackson Trinks.

So we're going to see them again soon. Well, you know, you can tie this all back to the great Kim McDonald because Hits 97-7 broke the trues, right? That's Paulie Morris. He was in the video that I shot. Paulie Morris in the White House. He, I mean, he's taken, I'll just say, cause he's been in the basement and shout out to Paulie Morris,

whose daughter works for Bell Media there, right? That's right, she's one of our reporters. Yeah, I see her all the time. Welcome back to you too here, except that he's taken full credit for helping to break the trues. He was playing a lot of trues at Hits in the early, early, early days.

You know what's funny? So he was at the show. He shows me the video of how close the trues are and they pull a man in with them singing and I said- It's Paulie Wallace. That's Paul Morris. I almost told him Paul Wallace right there. That's Paul Morris, yeah.

I believe it. I messaged Paul and I was like, were you at the trues show in Buffalo? He's like, I was. I said, yeah, check this out. See, I felt I smell that coming. That's amazing. That's a great story.

And that's a great live version of a song by a Canadian band. So well done, Chris Pack. You've done a great job kicking out these. Thank you. Jams here. My goodness gracious. I had a great time with you. One jam left.

Kim's going to close here and then I'm going to get the love story, which I'm excited. Okay. So you ready for your final jam? Kim McDonald. I'm ready. I'm going to actually I'm going to do it again because I see the final song. I'll fix it in post. Chris. Okay. I'll fix it in. DJ Chris Packer talking until never done that. This is where you have to keep talking until it's ready. No, no, no. It's ready. But it's funny because I was bringing up the pod and it's like, this is the pod I should be bringing up right here.

Let's pretend that never happened. Let's do it again. Shout out to Great Lakes Brewery. This will help me fix it in post. Right. Well, you know, it's funny. I've only had one. So what does that say about me?

Kim, are you ready for your final jam? I'm ready. Born ready. Still ready. Oh, my life is changing everyday Every bus to the way Though my dreams Is never quite as it seems Never quite as it seems I know I've felt like this before

But now I'm feeling it even more Because it came from you And I open up and see The first of all hand here is me A different way to be La la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la The cranberries! Dreams. Alright Kim, the mic is yours. Let's hear about it. I want to know why you're kicking out dreams here by the cranberries. Chris and I, our first date was the cranberries concert in Toronto.

At Massey Hall. At Massey Hall. Wow. Yes. And then our wedding song was the cranberries. It wasn't this song because it's slow. It's slow. So I didn't want to like really bring down the, you know, the jam.

So I did not choose that one. But it's uplift. I feel like this would be fine for a wedding jam. Well, yeah, this was the last song we played at our wedding. So when everybody kind of gathers around and we're like in the middle and they're dancing around us, you know, so this last song we played at our wedding. So when everybody kind of gathers around and we're like in the middle and they're dancing around us, you know, so this is how we ended our wedding night. It was with this dream song.

So beautiful. And we were supposed to see the cranberries. Unfortunately, Dolores died before we like I had. It's funny, I had tickets for that and I had tickets for the Foo Fighters as well. And the concert got canceled as well. Shout out to Ridley foo. Right, Taylor Hawkins. Yes, but you know it's funny when I was looking at my choices I'm like okay I have Ireland,

I have New Zealand, I have two UK, three UK, Amy, Ed Sheeran, Zeppelin, UK. Yeah, three UK. Crowded House, New Zealand slash Australia, and Ireland. So yeah. You just don't like Canadian bands. I do, I love Canadian bands. I love the truth. You're not kicking out any tragically hip

on this program here. My goodness gracious. I said, it's five is hard. Okay, so before I kick out a Canadian band, Lois of the Lo to play us out, you and Chris are just working together at the Weather Network? Yes. And what, like he's like, who makes the first, I know your first date is the cranberries,

but who makes the first move? Chris is like, Hey, would you go with me to the cranberry show? Oh no, not even no. We were friends. We were coworkers, friends. Yeah. I was unavailable. He's asking for permission to tell a story.

Just tell him. Of course you can tell that story. I should tell the story. I'm afraid. One of you should tell the story. Just tell the story. Tell the story from the heart. Or I'm deleting this entire episode.

Okay, that's gone. Okay. Sandy will never know how good it was. So yeah, she caught my eye. I'm like, oh my God, I, you know, this, anyway. In a monitor? Yeah. Oh, well, you want to go back to, okay. So she's TV.

I worked, I worked weekends. She worked weekends. Um, well among other, she worked during the weekends. So did I, but anyway, I walk into work one weekend into the editing, um, room and, uh, I'm, I'm seeing a woman, a beautiful woman on a monitor. And I'm like, uh, to Andrew, I think that was working at the time, like, oh, who's that? He's like, oh, that's the Weekend Anchor.

I'm like, oh, what's her name? Kim. I'm like, oh, wow, interesting. So that was my first like, okay. Yeah, you're like, I like the look of this woman. I mean, that's kind of how it went. That's how it starts. And so, you know, we're working together.

So at some point we're, I'm, I think I'm TD at this point. She's finishing her show and she caught, she was one of the very few, and even till this day, not many anchors come to the control room to thank the crew. Calling anyway. And so she'd come back, we're like, hey guys, thanks for a good like whatever. And this is, and now I'm meeting her for the first time. Yeah, she'd come back like, Hey guys, thanks for a good, like whatever. And this is now I'm meeting her for the first time.

Yeah. She's very nice about it. Um, and so we, we, we were chatting and we start to chat about, uh, our, that she worked in radio and I still work in radio, like we had crossover jobs and we were just totally connecting. And she said, I tried to get Sandra Plagakis's job. No, that wasn't, we were both working Monday to Friday at in radio and Saturday and Sunday at the Weather Network.

So the two of us were both working seven days a week. We started at the Weather Network. And so she she left there. And in my mind, I was like, I'm going to marry that girl. No lie. I was even going to like write it down and put it in an envelope. And that's why I later., but then he just said, oh, I just knew, yeah. Oh yeah.

It takes two to tango. I got some work to do. So that was half of the story. Yeah. So, so yeah, she was taken, but I was just, you know, we're just, you know, getting to know each other and stuff. And then I think there came a time where I guess you were, no, that was before that was before that right?

So I okay here we go. I Guess I wasn't working weekends anymore at some point and you so let me tell you okay That can take over so he came in one day when I was just finishing my I know but you're taking too long So he comes he wants to go home. She's tired She's like I gotta go home, it's almost 11 o'clock. He came in, I was, I'd been working, I was finishing my shift and he asked me if I would like to go out for a bite to eat after my shift.

Like it was like. Well that's not even like part, like I timed it so that, so I knew when she was finishing her shift and I came in with some bullshit story about, I forgot to fill out my time card on Friday. I gotta fill it out. That old trick. And so, and now I'm like, oh, I got the day free.

I'm like, oh, maybe you wanna grab, like, would you like to grab a beer? No, would you like to grab lunch? And then she looks me dead in the eye and she's like, I've already eaten. Oh! I'm like, ah, damn. And then waits that couple beats and then's like, but I'll go for a eaten. I'm like, ah, damn. And then waits that couple beats and then it's like,

but I'll go for a beer. I'm like, oh, okay. The door closed and the window open. You're gonna jump right in. He was so dejected. I'm already. You did it on purpose, didn't you? I didn't. At the time, I didn't think anything.

I thought we were friends. This is a coworker that I'm friends with. That's like, would you like to come up for coffee? Oh, I shouldn't. I got to work in the morning. Yeah. I'm like, no, come on, just, you know, what are you doing? Okay, so at what point in this courtship,

if I can call that very old fashioned, but Kim, when did you realize, hey, I'm actually digging this dude? Like, I feel, and I don't know, I just met Chris. I mean, I met him once before, but here we go. I met you a couple of times, Chris. You know why? At one of your parties, yeah. You were at a TMLX event.

And also I was at that Phoenix concert for that thing last year. That's right. Right. So it's been like three or four times now. So we're practically BFFs over here, but it sounds like Chris is smitten. He's kind of into it right away.

Like literally like digging this chick. I'm going to marry this chick. And Kim, how long does it take? And let me know when it does finally kick in. Okay, so that was September, and I think we went on a date in May. So it was a few months, but it's not too bad. It's not too bad.

You can still be trying to talk yourself into this thing. But I did, I remember one day he came in in a skydiving outfit. He was doing, they were doing a segment with Anwar on the morning show and he and his friend and they were talking about weather and skydiving. And I went, is that the guy who works as a switcher in the control? I'm like, is that the same dude that I, we work with on the,

I'm like, what's he doing in a skydiving outfit? And then that was, got your attention. He did get my attention. Right. The battle talking about. So she didn't know I skydived. No. And then and all of a sudden, yeah, she she's into that.

Then I was that's her thing. Yeah. I was like, at least then I was like, let's have a chat. And here we are. Years later, who would have thought it would be a producer there that wasn't until I became a producer there that she took me serious. Well then she could respect you. Like, a switcher is not dating a switcher. Producer, director, okay.

Hey, and look at this, decades later, and now you're on Toronto Mic kicking out these jams together. What a beautiful relationship you two have. Inspiring. Thank you, Mike. Thank you, Mike. Inspiring. This has been a lot of fun.

Well, thanks for doing this. We're going to take a photo in the dark because Smart Kim told me, oh, we should take the photo before it gets dark because it was just getting dark when we started. And I was like, oh, let's just take it in the dark. And now I realize. So just, you know, we're going to take it in the dark. What the hell? That's what flashes are for.

Just tell Sandy Rinaldo that her picture will be in the light. I don't want her to think that she gets the same treatment. Okay. Oh, okay. Wow. Top shelf for Sandy. That's going to be it. My top shelf for Sandy.

Oh, Mike Hannafin says, get a room, you two. He's been saying that for 23 years. Well, he's been witness to some shit. I bet you we'll get Mike Hannain on the show just to talk about your relationship All right, everybody good good good vibes all around Jeremy says happy. I was around to catch these fun jams He says thank you all I want to thank you guys. I can't wait to drop this in the feed episode 1502 And I'll see you two again at some point I'm sure when we kick out the either the cancer jams are we have to talk about weather jams, the weather jams, more fun. We'll kick out the

weather jams. There's some good ones, but thanks for doing this. Thanks, Mike. Thank you, Mike. You know, it's funny. You too. I'm so I'm so intimidated. I've been using the wrong pod the whole freaking at Rosy and Gray. Yeah. Yes. Why are you playing that song? I close every episode of Toronto Mike with Rosie and Grey. And that brings us to the end of our 1,500 and second show. You can follow me on Twitter and Blue Sky. I'm all over the place at Toronto Mike.

Okay. Each of you can name check one place. Kim, I know you're on Twitter, but where's the place you'd like people to go to follow your adventures on the Weather Network? Um, okay. So let's go to Instagram, KMcDonaldTWN. KMcDonaldTWN. Chris, do you have a presence on any social media app?

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And your smile is fine and it's just like mine, it won't go away Cause everything is rosy now, everything is rosy, yeah Everything is rosy and gray, yeah You