Toronto Mike'd: The Official Toronto Mike Podcast - Live From Scadding Cabin: Toronto Mike'd Podcast Episode 1936

Episode Date: July 20, 2026

In this 1936th episode of Toronto Mike'd, Mike and Jeremy Hopkin travel back to 1794 and record live from Scadding Cabin, Toronto's oldest surviving building. Guests include Bob Georgiou from the York Pioneer and Historical Society (YPHS), Shayda Spakowski with the Canadian National Exhibition and Fred, Lord of the Moustache.A version of this podcast without programmatic ads is available to all Toronto Mike'd Patrons at patreon.com/torontomike.Toronto Mike'd, an award-winning podcast, is proudly brought to you by Great Lakes Brewery, Palma Pasta, Toronto Maple Leafs Baseball, Ridley Funeral Home, Nick Ainis, and RecycleMyElectronics.ca.If you would like to support the show, we do have partner opportunities available. Please emaail Toronto Mike at [e-mail]. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Hi, this is Jeremy Hopkins, the official Toronto historian for the Toronto Mike podcast. And today we're broadcasting live from Scatting Cabin, which is Toronto's oldest building, still standing. It was built in 1794. You were just a kid in 1794, right? I was. I was, yeah, just a glimmer in my grandfather's eye. Is this the furthest back we've gone on a Jeho episode of Toronto Mike? I think this is. Welcome to episode 1936 of Toronto Mikeed, an award-winning podcast, proudly brought to you by Great Lakes Brewery.

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He's the host of Building Toronto Skyline. And Mike and Nick, two podcasts that you ought to listen to. Recycle MyElectronics.ca. Something they didn't need in 1794. Committing to our planet's future means properly recycling our electronics of the past And of course, Ridley Funeral Home, pillars of the community since 1921. And today, as Jayho says, we're live, live at Scatting Cabin, the oldest surviving home in the city of Toronto.

And here he is, every quarter, even though it feels like I just had him on a week ago. Jeremy, how's it going? It's going pretty good. How are you doing? Good. I need to, I need your help to paint a scene. Okay. So we are taking video.

Yes. We finally figured out we should roll video at these things. Okay, video is going, waving to the camera right now. But for those who are walking their dog or they're, maybe they're on a bike ride, or maybe they're driving to work and they're listening to the Jeremy Hopkins episode of Toronto Mike about scatting cabin from 1794. Right on.

You got it. Paint a picture. Like, wow. Okay. Well, there's, uh, in, In Ontario, and traveling all around, there was this agricultural fair that just... Oh, no, I mean, like, literally, like, here, and then we'll go back. Like, no, like, right now, what do we see as we're set up here in scatting cabin?

Like, we're here. This is it. I can't believe it, but I can't believe it. It's a very rustic cabin. It reminds me a little bit of little house in the prairie or something like that where you have your beds upstairs and downstairs you have the main room. and there's everything from spinning wheels to old chairs and just tools and things that they used back in the day that they collected for the cabin to give it that feel that it was back in time again. So I rode my bike here on the waterfront trail, although when I was crossing the Gardner, it's Ontario Drive, right? And I'm at the lights there.

But the other side, because of what they're doing at Ontario Place, it's closed off. So there's nothing to trigger the light. Okay, here I am complaining that I, so I have a train. I'm on a bike. I just want a green light so I can cross on Ontario Drive and then I'll explain the rest of a minute. But I was waiting forever and there's no button to press to like trigger lights.

So it's like there's no car is going to trigger the light because no one was coming down on Terry Drive. And I waited and waited and then I realized, oh, I'm going to have to be Frogger here. Like at some point I just got to like find a gap, get halfway, hope like an 18 wheeler doesn't blow me over or whatever. And then just and I did survive to tell the tail crossing the gardener. Wow. I did make it here.

I'm here now. But then I'm coming here and I realize, oh yeah, I have been to Scatting Cabin just to, I showed you that picture yesterday. But it's like basically the Banshell is right there. Oh yeah, yeah. And here it is. Now, not the original location of Scatting Cabin. Oh, originally it was located on the east bank of the Don River over by Queen Street. And I think it was about a hundred acre farm.

And originally it was, yeah, from the Scatting family. And during 1879, they got this idea to me. move the cabin here since this new industrial fair was starting up and they lease the land here. So do we have, I mean, you're a historian, Jeremy Hopkins, but do we have other like specialized historians that might join us on a third mic who can talk in great detail about scatting cabin? We definitely do. There's Bob Georgie and also representatives from the York pioneers who are the oldest historical society

in Toronto. So Bob Georgeu is, he has a site called Scenes from Toronto. And he also does a lot of basically website work for the York pioneers as well. He manages the social medias that they have. In York, this is the original name of Toronto before 1834. Do I have that right? Yes. Okay.

Because I messed that up in my episode. Historically, though, it's, you know, the indigenous name. to Caranto. With the K in there. Right. And then, okay. So we're going to cover a lot of ground here. So still painting the picture, though.

So we got this table. Apparently, the table's not from 1794, right? Because we'd break it and then we would never be able to replace it. It's got some age to it. It's got some age to it. It's an antique. It's an antique-ish.

Probably not from the 17-90s. But we're on this table. Even this, I was nervous about setting up on this tablecloth. It looks pretty vintage right here. But we're set up. And I'm just saying what I see. So there's a fireplace here.

Yes. It just looks all. cozy and rustic and you mentioned the spinning wheel and all I can think about is the monorail episode of The Simpsons like a town of money is a little like a mule of a spinning wheel. You remember that? Yep, I remember that one.

Monorail. Okay, snow shoes over here. There's a lot of old photos. We're going to maybe find out who some of these people are. There's old photos of the cabin. Well, we got Mr. Simco right over there in the corner. I actually was reading that another name for Scatting Cabin is Simco Cabin.

Did you catch this? Yeah, originally for many years they did call it Simco Cabin and it was kind of a mistaken identity that they had for the building. So they got it right. But eventually they corrected it to Scatting Cabin. Okay. Because John Scatting is the man. And we're going to get into this detail very soon. But one other little thing is.

But he constructed it, John. Well, I think it was the Rangers that constructed it for him. Okay. Well, we're going to get into these details. That's why you're here, man. We're going to get this right. But one thing I'll just share here is so we didn't bring this. an extension cord, but I had a power bar.

And although, you know, there is electricity in this building. Like, I was able to plug in, but we had to kind of do some MacGyvering because the outlets on the ceiling and the weight of my laptop, what's I call the adapter, the power adapter is, it's pretty heavy and it kept falling out of the ceiling. So we found some duct tape. And I think we need to take a photo of that MacGyver job to keep us wired in for this recording. It certainly has the pioneer spirit.

Yeah. Duct tape. I got to ask red green. Do they have duct tape in 1790? That's a Canadian solution right there, yeah. Okay. All right. Any words for the listenership about the fact that we've never recorded a week apart

before? Like usually we do this every quarter, so it's usually a couple of months or whatever. So you were on Toronto Mike last week. Any feedback from the AI Slop episode, and how does it feel to be on every week? Well, it feels pretty good. be on two weeks in a row. And I apologize to the listeners who thought it was just going to be a regular cold open. And some people almost lost their balance when they're on their bikes riding around.

Oh, that guy loved it. That's Toronto Boris, right? Yeah, Toronto Boris. He loved it. Heard me to lose my mind and thought the world was coming to an end for a second there. But then he realized that it was just an act. Well, we should tell people, you did the cold open off the top. Yeah.

And then I realized for video, it's better if I'm not on it. just you. And then we said, let's do it again. So after the recording, I said, do the cold open again. But then I liked your second time so much better than your first time. I just swapped them out. Like, that's like a very rare instance. So it's not AI slop, but it's a Toronto mic slop. Like, that's not your original. That's your second take of the cold open. That's some hand editing by human. We need to disclose because I, I don't edit these programs. We need to disclose. I did a rare little swap there. I guess if you watch the YouTube video, you'll hear, you'll hear,

Oh, yeah. You'll hear the OG one. So, there you go. There's a pro tip. And also, I urge you guys find the Toronto Mike YouTube channel because that's where this video is going to be put. So we're rolling video for this recording. So Jeremy, do you want to bring on a guest?

Yeah. Or did you want to share any more info before? It's your show, brother. Well, I also wanted to mention that besides the historians as well, we have Sheda Spadowski from the C&E, who's also going to talk after Bob does too. So Bob and Sheda. So stick around for her as well, Shada, yeah.

Okay. How do you suppose Shadows? S-H-A-Y-D-A, I believe? Yeah, okay, I got it. Okay, I'm taking notes over here. Sheda and then Bob. Bob first, right? Yes, Bob.

Bob, because it's alphabetical. Bob comes before Shada here. Okay. Yeah, so I don't know how there's really, this is kind of free form whenever you want to bring anybody on. Well, let's bring Bob in. Yeah, let's bring on Bob. Fresh meat, like I like to say.

So, Georgesu? Is it French? We'll get Bob to say his last name here. I'm going to really give it a good Francophone take there here. So now we should point out, Bob's a tall guy. and they didn't have tall people when they built this cabin. Is that true? We're going to find out because Bob.

So we're going to stick on those headphones just so you can hear when you're on the mic. Yeah, Bob, I think Bob's like six foot six or something. We're going to find out what's going on here. It's very tall man. And I'm going to angle that. Let's hear some Bob. Okay, that's no Bob. Let's try it again.

That's my fault. Talk again. Check, check one, two. There you are. So you can hear yourself in the headphones and you'll hear when you get so relaxed by Jeremy's tenor that you start to back off. You've got to stay on that mic here. So Bob, please say, for the definitive record here in the Scatting Cabin episode of Toronto,

I'd say your surname for me. It is Georgiou. George Yu. Yeah, it's Greek. Oh, it's all Greek to me. It's too easy. Okay. Bob, tell us a bit of, although I don't want to, you know, take over from Jeremy here.

Jeremy's going to conduct the interview here. But just give us an idea of, is it the York Pioneers? Yeah, so the full name is the York Pioneer and Historical Society. Kind of a mouthful to say. But, yeah. So when you were talking about York, it was actually not only covers Toronto, but York County, which is, I guess, the predecessor to York region. So we mainly focus in Toronto, but we do do some stuff in York.

You'll slip you on the 416. Yes. You'll leak into the 905. You got it. Okay. I'm taking notes here. They also manage Sharon Temple, just a little bit north of the city. Not anymore.

Oh, no, you don't? Not anymore. Geeho, get your facts right, buddy. My information's old. sorry. Yeah, so there is a, it's actually a current name. They just renamed it. They just rebranded it to the Sharon Museum and Gardens, I believe.

Oh, okay. Sorry about that. It was built at some point in the 1800s, forget the year, but the York Pioneers actually saved it in the 1910s. Yeah, yeah. Saved it and restored it. And then afterwards, they sort of gave it back for all intents and purposes. And it's its own entity.

But we do have a representative from the Sharon, museum and gardens on our board. So we were obviously tied to them historically. So we keep up with them. I failed to take a note on the full name, but I'm going to call you the York Pioneers. Is that okay? York Pioneers is perfect.

Is that jehovah? No, no, no, that's how we call ourselves too, or the Pioneers. I can handle that. So, Bob, what exactly do the York Pioneers do? Who are the York Pioneers? Just give me the 101 on the York Pioneers. Yeah, so the York Pioneers were founded in 1869.

They were founded in a few men met in a store on King Street, Alexander Hamilton store. No musical about him, but Alexander Hamilton. Oh, a different Alexander. Yes, he's actually member number one in our memorials, yeah. So they met because they were concerned about historical preservation, which is funny to think about in 1869, because we, I'm sure you and Jeremy have had these conversations about preserving buildings,

but they were worried about these in 1869. Was there an issue in 1869 with AI Slop? I wonder what they would think about AI Slop these days. Okay, so you're, so if Alexander Hamilton is number one, what number are you? I feel like it's the stone cutters, you get a number. Oh, I've never looked into that. I got to ask our membership chair that when we get back to me. meeting. It has to be in the thousands now by the like hundreds of thousands maybe even.

Over time. I'm not sure with it. I'm not sure with the, yeah, there's been plenty of prolific people that have been pioneers. I mean, it's at one point it was a who's who of Toronto where, we're York pioneers. Yeah, it was a status symbol definitely. I even remember when I, I've told you about this before. I used to live in that old house in Scarborough and two mayors of Scarborough lived in there. And one of them was James Cornell. And up in the attic, I found issues of the York Pioneer Journal. Yeah, right beside the Playboys. Yeah, right beside the Playboys.

And the McLean's magazines and all that stuff. Topically tied. National Geographic, yeah. So, yeah, they've been around forever. And definitely everyone who was anyone back in the day would be a member of that society. Well, how many members do you have now? Like, oh, I don't know the exact figure, but some. Many?

Yeah, many. Is Jeremy Hopkins a member? I'm actually not a member now. I was a member before, but I've got to renew that membership. We might have a conversation after this, but Jeremy's been a great support of ours. I do try to come to their events and cover some of the events they've done have just been great, and it's really cool to get out there and see Bob and them in action. At our last York Pioneer launch, we hosted an event in Scarborough's first firehouse.

Yes. We're both there. So I went there and, filmed a little bit of that. And then we started talking about doing something with the cabin actually at that. That's right. I like the origin story. That's right.

How did this come to be? So what made you, Jeremy, think about doing a scatting cabin episode. And then we got to dive into this great cabin right here. Well, I started talking with Beth Alexa. And she really liked what I was doing, I guess, with the get-up and stuff. She liked your hat. And some of the stuff I was doing with you as well. And then we just kind of, I don't know how it actually.

Did Beth ever hear the Casaloma episode? I think she may have. Maybe that's like a prototype. Maybe she heard the Casaloma and said, why not do that here? It's possible. And yeah, I just suggested this. And she ran it by Bob and a few people at the society. And they like the idea.

So here we are. So Bob, do you know, has there ever been a podcast recorded in Scatting Cabin? I can say that this is a first. Wow. Incredible. So my position at the York Pioneers is officially it's the corresponding secretary. kind of an old term, but I really do social media and website. Wow.

So plugging this, I said what would happen when a 1794 cabin meets modern technology? Well, that's why we have the fire department on standby. That's right. That's right. All right, Jayhaw, I'll let you do the heavy lifting here because I got to get some history, man. I'm hungry for some scatting history. All right. Well, I'm starving over here, Jayhaw.

Can I start with the history of the C&E? Listen, you can do it. whatever you want. But Bob might know a little bit more about the Scatting family than I do, because I know John Scatting was there, but wasn't it his father? It wasn't it built for his father or something like that? Close. So John Scadding comes over in the 1790s from England. He was actually Governor, Lieutenant Governor John Graves Simco's administrator in England. So he comes over with him to the town of York. He gets this land grant that you were talking about. And he built a Scatting cabin here in 1794. It's actually the second scatting cabin I read. The first one didn't last

very long. Yeah, the first one burned down. Burned down. Well, somebody tried to plug their damn laptop into it. Yeah, that's probably what happened. So, yeah, so he builds it in 1794. He's not here very long. Governor, Lieutenant Governor Simcoe actually gets sick, I believe. So he and Skadding returned back to England. Skadding does come back. He comes back married with kids. as well, and he's got a few prolific kids. One of them is John Scanning Jr. Okay. And then from there, the estates gets prostled off,

and it gets run by the Smith family, who are a very prominent name. That's another John, right, John Smith? John Smith, that's right. It's on his property when they decide to, well, when the Industrial Fair comes along, and they decide to, York pioneers want to save this cabin that they know has origins with scatting and,

well, are you sure, John Smith? Why do I think it's William Smith? William Smith was the dad. Oh, you know, this gets confusing.

William Smith is the guy who buys scatting cabin from the scatting family. Yeah, so it passes on to his estate. He looks after it becomes actually one of the, like an outbuilding or like a farm building, actually. And then in... Because Williams is a farmer. That's right.

That's right. You know, the same thing happened on my dad's farm. They got a new house, so the outbuilding became basically a farm accessory building after that. So some things get preserved just by reuse that way. This cabinware now, not in its original location, we'll talk about that. But we basically, it goes scatting family to Smith family to York pioneers. Am I right? Basically, yeah, the Plater's in some point.

You know the Plater estates around Broadview. Platers looked after after Scadden leaves for England But yeah Essentially that's the Linneets Okay I didn't know about the plater connection

That's interesting The first I believe the first Child born I don't know if it was York at the time Or certainly in the cabin Was a plater child Yeah

Okay I think we have a replica of the child You see there's a there's a natural doll In that I didn't see that Yeah there's like a little baby in there Well that actually dates to the period as well Well, the back cradle, yeah. So how, like this table, we were talking about joking about the table because I don't want to break a table from the 1700s.

I wouldn't be able to sleep at night. But like, how authentic is everything in this scatting cabin right now? So a lot of the stuff, so the cabin itself is stylized, I believe into the 1820s, 1830s. That, so a lot of the stuff would be, I guess, from that period. I'm not sure how many items actually belong to the sky. scatting, but certainly a few items have been collected. Any ghosts haunting, we did a Halloween episode of Toronto ghost stories. Any ghosts haunting scatting cabin?

Not that I know it, but we do do do ghost walks and they do go by the cabin. So I don't know any specific stories, but. Well, if you want your 1700 ghosts, you've got nowhere else to go. Yeah, that's true. I think the doll sits up and looks at you. Well, that's why I'm asking. That doll's creeping me out over here. Yeah, I was trying to think of any other 1790s buildings.

I think the lighthouse on the island is early 1800. This is opening up the big fun. We like our fun facts and mind blows. I wouldn't be surprised if there's ghosts here, though, because this is basically the area where the War of 1812, where the Americans landed and lots of people perished. And there was also Fort Ruiz, which was right here as well. And ask me where I was for several hours yesterday.

Fort York at the FIFA fan fest. Very cool. My ADP debut. Oh, NG and P. Right. I'm always worried. I have to say ADP. Not the people that used to issue my checks.

Right, right. Yeah, my brother worked. My payroll. Right, right. So I was thinking, oh, I should just stay here. Like, I'm already here. What am I doing? I got to go home and come back.

Camp overnight. So I just want to get the facts, the fun facts here, because I'm going to be sharing this at, you know, every barred, every time I meet anybody, I'll be like, I have a fun fact for you. Okay. So, Bob, definitively, for the. record, is it fair to say, this is the oldest surviving home in the entire city of Toronto? It is the oldest surviving home. No longer a home, but oldest surviving home. What if I just live here?

Well, that'll make it a home, right? So no longer, no one lives here anymore. It's primary estate, if you did. We often joke about that at the pirate. It's right on the waterfront. But what is upstairs? So do, no public allowed upstairs? Like, what is upstairs? Upstairs is just storage. We get, we get guests that come in during the CNN, and they, and they, always ask about upstairs. It's nothing fascinating. It's just storage. It's like a bungalow, right? Yeah. Some people think it was the beds were up here up there, but no, they were down here. Oh, really? Okay. Well, that's one thing I was wrong. As far as I understand. I could be wrong on that. I have a whole separate list of things Jeremy Hopkin is wrong on. It's a very short list.

Oh, no. He can Robert Lawson and me any day. So let me say, let me phrase this different. I want to, I want to, there's fun ways to phrase it, but is this, like, is there any older man-made, man, person-made structure in the city of Toronto than the scatting cabin that we're in right now. Not that I can think of. What about you, Jay? I don't mean either, no. I know there was the Osterhout cabin in Scarborough and a couple other cabins, but none of them date to this far back.

So do you know the second oldest residence that survived? That's the John Cox house, I believe, on Broadview. I think that's still. Which is still the house, yeah. And how old is that? 1806, I want to say. Okay. That sounds right.

Okay. Now, again, Jeremy, I'm not trying to step in any toes, but I'm curious, so why, like, I'm curious why it was moved. And is this the second place it was moved to? Like, how does the moving of scatting cabin, like, what's the history of that? I believe it sat here since it was moved on this very spot. And there was for a little while. In 1903? In 1879. 79, yeah. Okay, 79. It was lifted up, though, to put a foundation underneath of it, underneath it just to save some of the logs from rot. But, but, yeah. It's been sitting here ever since. Okay, so let me ask you. You mentioned John Smith. He gives the cabin to the York Pioneers?

Yeah, so he has this cabin. He kind of donates it to the York Pioneers because he knows the York Pioneers have a connection to it. Henry Scadden, one of the Scatting sons, was actually, I should say is for a full title, Reverend Dr. Henry Skadding, he's one of Toronto's oldest historians. He had a connection to it.

as well, and he's been prominent in the York Pioneers. So, yeah, the York Pioneers, so like Jeremy said, it was located on the east bank of the Don River, just south of Queen Street, probably where the Don Valley Parkway is now. There's a few plaques there near the Queen Street Bridge. So the York Pioneers assemble in late August, 1879, and they dismantle the cabin. Actually, if I can point out the picture above the door there, the men in the cart that, Oh, to your left. To your left.

I'm looking about the door. I almost broke that picture. Yeah, so that's the men heading to the C&E to reconstruct the cabin. That's an amazing photo. It's a very famous photo. Oh, it's from August 22nd, 1879. Yes, exactly. So what a big year for the history of this cabin.

Yeah. And there's some mythology about how they did it. Some people think that they dismantled and floated it down the Don River. I'm not so sure about that. I was just about to bring that up because back then, we were actually right on the shore. Everything south of here is landfell. Front Street, right?

Front Street was, yeah. Was the edge of the city at one point. When I first glanced at this amazing photo from 1870. We got to get a picture of this photo. When I first saw the photo, I actually thought it was a promotional photo of the band when they put out their early Americana. It does look like that style.

And this explains why all these hipsters have to have a beard. Like the beards were big. The beard game is really good in that photo. What's your beard? It is, yeah. My beard game is not very good. Looking around, there's no beard. No, my beard game's not that great.

But when I first arrived, there was a chap here with a great mustache. Oh, yes, yes. So that's a partial points, right? A good muster. Okay, so late, let me, so 1879, John Smith says, Hey, York Pioneers,

you can have this cabin, scatting cabin, right? Oh, sorry. You're going to be able to, okay, because I basically, coincidentally, that same year, 1879, a certificate. Maybe this is more shady.

of stuff actually. But I got the right name too. The Toronto Industrial Exhibition begins. And that's what we know today as the Canadian National Exhibition, the C&E. Yeah. Let's go to the X. Oh, baby. Okay, that's 1879.

So moving it here is tied to that, I suppose. That is, yeah. And that's why the, so this is the oldest structure on the C&E grounds. Again, it was moved here, so it wasn't the oldest structure built here. It's the oldest structure on the senior grounds. Oldest structure in the city. That is well. Come on.

Russian dolls over here. That is well. Okay. So before 1879, this exposition is a traveling one. It goes from town to town. It went to like Kingston and London and just traveled all over the place. Yeah. And in 1878, it had come here and they basically informed Toronto that,

oh, this fair is now going to be permanently in Ottawa. so Toronto automatically says, well, we got to start one of our own. So in 1879, they start theirs. And I'm sure that motivates the York pioneers to find something viable to show at this exhibition and have here permanently. And that's why I guess they get the idea to bring the cabin here and among other things that they bring. Yeah, they turn it into a museum. So again, it goes back to this idea of preserving and displaying history. The York pioneers are actually the oldest historical society in Ontario.

I believe we're maybe second in Canada. So what they were doing was really... Tell me who's got you beaten, oh, though. Accidents happen, Bobby. I've heard it was maybe one in Quebec, but I could be wrong about that. But yeah, they have this early idea to preserve it,

so they turn the cabin into a museum. Nice. Yeah, the photos above the window there to you. I guess you're right would be... It displayed at different times. Now, there used to be, for a time, another cabin right beside here that they brought. That's right.

Whose cabin was that? So that one was called Lorne Cabin. And as far as I understand, that was the York Pioneer's attempts at recreating a pioneer cabin, like an early cabin. Oh, okay. So I'm not sure how it didn't,

I'm not sure how long it lasted, but obviously it's not here. So. Yeah, for sure. And even with a cabin this old, a lot of it has been maintained and replaced over the year. So a lot of the inside is original. Let's talk about that.

What's the famous ship where you build it, Piece by piece, you replace it, and then is it still the original ship? What's that ship? I can't Google it. I don't have any Wi-Fi here. Okay, somebody with Shady will tell us, but the name of that ship is. So I was reading about rot in some of the log timbers. What can you say, Bob, about what's been, you know, replaced?

Yeah, so at least over the last few years, we've gotten, I guess, a campaign to kind of restore some of the cabin, some of the exterior logs there's been rot. So, yeah, we've had a big campaign or a campaign to kind of restore it. So, yeah, people can. Yeah, people can donate to that. Right? Yeah. Like, from 1700s, it's not built to last forever.

Yeah, it costs money to, you know, preserve it. There's been water damage, you know. There's always any sex. Right here, you see above this door here, there looks like it might be some water damage there, possibly. Possibly. See that colorization there? Okay.

So you, can people? contribute money to help with this restoration? Yeah, so our website is york pioneers.com. We have a donate function so people can, you know, put money towards, you know, donate a sum of money and, you know, if they want to earmark it for that, they can do that? Well, if I donate enough money, can we call this TMDS cabin? Okay, maybe we just make this the new HQ here. That's a lot of money, right? I think we would have to run that by our membership. Run that by the membership. Now, one fun, we talked about this creepy baby, but it was you, Bob, who mentioned that the cradle was the, like an OG cradle, right?

I think so, I believe so, yes. Yeah, so the note I have is that John Scatting himself made that cradle. Like, can that be true? Anybody, that, like, so that craddles from the 1700s. Yeah, the baby that was born in it or house, or first, I don't want to say lived, but was, slept in it? Yeah, slept in it. Yeah, it was named after, I believe, Simcoe, if I'm not wrong.

Okay. No wonder they called it Simco Cabin for a little while. Yeah, the actual Simco Cabin thing, it was named Simco Cabin for the longest time, which I guess for the ties to Simco, then afterwards they switched it to Scatting Cabin, who, again, owned it, who was the most associated with it.

So right on. Okay, here. So when you do replace a log timber, who told me this recently? probably what historian came over in the past week Dave LeBlanc? Must have been Dave then.

I have so many historians. I was listening to that episode getting ready. What did you think of the Dave LeBlanc episode? I was listening to that getting ready. Yeah, he's a cool cat. One of the great voices for Toronto history. He said that when they replace one of these log timbers,

they have to, they document the year. Like they, I guess they write onto the, I don't know if you can see an example. Maybe it's not visible. But he said to try, to try. what year that piece. Yeah, I see one of the tags right here. It's this new log, 1987.

Okay, there you go. That's what he's talking about. Oh, that's amazing. You know, I didn't even know that actually. Shout out to Irma Girtle. Yeah, well, you haven't finished the episode, Ben. I think he drops it. At the end, I promote like upcoming episodes or something.

Dave also warned us about the ceiling. Yeah, well, he should have, Bob's the only one has to worry about it, Jeho. We had to duck a little bit. Actually, that's the first question we get when we opened during the cab during the C&E. It's like, they must have been short. by then. Well, actually, Simco was over six feet. So it wasn't so much people were shorter. It's because the airways had to be smaller just to keep the heat in. Oh. Yeah. Yeah. So, and these windows

there, you notice how they are like across from each other. It's for breezes. Yeah. Double hung and you can push the top window down and get that. No central AC in the scatting cabin. No central AC. Nice, a nice fireplace, but no, no AC. Yeah. And that is, that's the OG fireplace or maybe? It looks great. As far as I know. It looks amazing here. One thing about houses in Canada, they always had their chimneys on the inside.

So that could be because, yeah, and their fireplaces on the inside. So as long as that's on the inside. Oh, where would the fireplace be? Well, in America, a lot of the places that weren't as cold as here, they would actually have the fireplace and the chimney on the outside of the wall. And in Canada, they have it on the inside so that all the heat from that fireplace would stay inside. Well, that's what you want for sure.

Oh, yeah, yeah. Okay, yeah, because I, uh, I know there's a lot of people in Europe suffering right now in the heat wave because they don't have air conditioning. And I'm like, try living in the scatting cabin for a little while here. The style of that fireplace and everything tracks, though, if not, it's a good recreation. Okay. And do you have any info on the spinning wheels only because they're so prominent and they really look old, but I'm no, you know, authority on spinning wheels? Considering all my info on spinning wheels comes from the Simpsons.

That's all you need to know. But I think those are pretty old, too. They go back, I think, to the, I don't know, at least the early 1800s, I think. Geez, yeah. Yeah, I forget the ages, but we do do spinning demonstrations during the C&E. Okay, so that's a good point. So when the C&E is open, this cabin is open. It is, yes.

C&E and doors open are our main events, and there's events here and there where the scatting is open. The haunted box that I told you about is the other one. Well, I honestly, I think I see a ghost to my left right now. You see? Yep. And that's the mustache. I was talking about.

Maybe I never did meet a man of a mustache. Maybe it was a ghost. Maybe. Possibly. And is that Midtown Gourd by the tree? Oh my God. It's him. See?

He's just following us around. I think Robert Lawson's in the bushes there with him. But I got to be careful. I don't want to do another one man to show. No. So I got to suppress my hilarity here. Okay. Any more questions for Bob, Jeho,

before we introduce another guest? I think Bob's covered the cabin pretty well. I would urge everybody to go and visit Bob's website as well. Scenes from Toronto. Scenes.com. Scenes toio. I recently started the substack as well, and I've got a few things on

he'll go here and there. I'm currently writing a book, articles, yeah. Bob's one of the good ones. He actually researches tons of stuff and shares it with people, and a lot of it's things that have slipped through the crack about certain places and exploring a lot of areas of Toronto and just giving a practical knowledge of the history as well. Well, I want to make sure we don't move on too quickly from that point that Jayho, and I won't name names. I'm not going to name names, but Jayho can be very critical of some Toronto historians.

You wouldn't believe it. I'm not naming names. I'm not naming names. Bob's a good one. When he gives you the Jeremy Hopkins stamp of approval, that means a lot to me. Because there's some guests who've been proposed and Jeremy Hopkins basically crap talked them. I can't swear in a 17. I'm not naming names. Jayo's sweating. Look at him.

He's sweating. It's not just that pinstripe. That suit over there. He's sweating. I'm not going to name a single name. I would not do that to you. But, Bob, you're on the good list. Thank you.

And you are as well. Oh, whoa. Jeremy? No, for what you do for promoting Toronto history, for making it accessible for people. So you're a friend of the Toronto history community. Well, thank you. Thank you.

I want to be a member of these York pioneers. So it sounds like the movers and shakers are in that club. We'll get you signed up with a membership. Are they like stone cutters? Like, is this? The secret hand shakes? Yeah, like are they controlling everything? Do you already know who's winning this mayoral election

because you've already rigged it? Not so much, but there have been mayors that have been New York Pioneers. Okay, okay. Was Arde Eggleton a York Pioneer? They were Mason's as well, so yeah. Well, that's what the Stonecutters are sending up. They're the masons.

Okay, Bob, you are now an FOTM, a friend of Toronto Mike. Right on. And I loved it. Loved hearing about Scatting Cabin, and I can't believe we have another guest. So when you do get up, A, I was going to say, Don't hit your head because I feel like I'm in the TMDS basement studio. Every guest I have to warn not to hit their head.

Don't hit your head and don't trip over the wires. And I thank you so much for being here for this. Thanks for having me. All right. Thanks a lot, Bob. All right. And you see how I'm carefully not saying his surname. I'm afraid I'll butcher it after I've been warned.

It's Greek. Georgeo. I think that's pretty close. Georgeo. Okay. You know, Nikainis is Greek. So I got lots of practice getting those surnames properly. Okay, so while our second guest, Shada, makes her way to the microphone, a moment, maybe a moment.

I don't think Great Lakes has a beer called Scatting Cabin, but they could. They have the Sunnyside session IPA, and we did the Sunniside. I rode by it about an hour ago. Yeah, you stick those on here. So let's quickly give some love to Great Lakes, who will probably host us at the GLB Brew Pub in late September, and I'll report back on when. That'll be TMLX23. Let us also just give a little love to Palma Pasta,

not Greek over there, Italian. But, you know, like I said, it's all Greek to me here. Okay. And Toronto Maple Leafs baseball, they play at Christy Pitts. And we talked about some less glamorous history of Christy Pitts. I talked about that. Was it Dave LeBlanc? It was a great episode.

And Jeremy, we talked quite often about what happened to Christy Pitts there. But Toronto Maple Leaf Base Baseball is a great time. And last but not least, This was not needed by John Scadding. He had no need for Recycle My Electronics.C.A. He said, what am I going to recycle these electronics? What electronics?

And what's a website? That's what John said to me. He said, what the heck is a website? But you guys, in 2026, I'm talking to, go to Recycle My Electronics. com. Put in your postal code and find out where you can drop it all off. And I want to give some love really quickly to Ridley Funeral Home because 1921 seemed like a long way back, you know, since 1921.

Wow, 1921. That's over 100 years ago. Well, we're in the 1700. baby, 1794. Right on. As I got my cheat sheet over here, as I don't screw that up here. Okay, so do you want to introduce Sheda? I want to hear a big intro from you, J-Haw.

Oh my God. You put me on the spot. Yeah, come on. Can I do it? Just a big intro. No pressure, honestly. Please, everybody, welcome, Shada Spadowski. Thank you very.

Excuse me. I get choked up around him as well. You have an official title that's a little longer than archivist. You are a new things, right? Yes. You wear a lot of hats. I do. So, you.

So, yes, my title is archivist and heritage engagement specialist at the C&E. So I not only look after and manage the C&E archives, which is very eclectic, and I'd love to get into it later. But I also do programming for the fair. I do community outreach. I help with bringing indigenous programming into the fair. I lead heritage and walking tours during the C&E. and I do pretty much almost anything that comes my way. My job is very diverse, which I'm very grateful for.

Shade of all trades. Well, can I tell you now, the ad campaign in the 80s, let's go to the X, oh, baby, very effective on young Mike. Oh, yeah, good. I'm glad it was. Oh, baby. So we actually have, a part of our collection actually has a large video collection, and we're getting slowly,

we're getting them digitized as funds come in. And we actually found four different versions of that, let's go to the X. There's a country version, there's an R&B version, there's the original version, everybody knows. You remember when the Australian exhibit, of course you'll remember this, but they had it in the accent,

the Australian, like a ways like never before. The X you remember and a whole lot more. Meet me here. Once a year, meet me at the X, yeah. Yep. That camp, and I know that's based on a song, go let's go to the hop.

Jeremy, you remember that. You got the 90 from the 50s. Yep. Yeah. But young Mike didn't know, let's go to the hop. He knew let's go to the X. What is this? Let's go to the hop stealing this song from the scene. What's going on here?

Okay, so you said I want to get to that later, but do that now. Like, just shout out all the cool things you're doing before we get back to Skad. Oh, sure. Yeah. So just starting with the CNE archives, we obviously a lot of people think of archives. There's paper, which we do have. We have a lot of photographs and records management. looking after everything that we can.

We also have programs from the C&E, our oldest one that is not a photocopy, goes back to 1887. It's actually beautiful. Like all of the original artwork was hand-drawn and it was painted, so it's actually one of my favorite pieces. We also have art catalogs from when the C&E had two art galleries here on site, where we showed works from everywhere from the group of seven, all the way to Pablo Picasso and Salvador.

Door Dolly. Wow. That's the melting clock guy, right? It is. Yeah. That's pretty cool. Yeah. We also have

Midway toys. We have a piece of preserved fruitcake from when we celebrated Canada's 100th birthday. I'll have a slice. I wouldn't recommend it. You can't kill a fruit cave. You know that.

This guy has been into a cherry blossom that was expired. Oh, so he might survive. He might survive. He has no idea of what I can handle it with this, the stomach of mine. We also have video rea We have slides and photographic negatives, including cellulose acetate and glass plate.

We have old marketing boards and original marketing graphics, some of which have never been reproduced. They were just always coming up with great new ideas. We have a piece of the icing that we used when we decorated the banshell for Canada's birthday. It's a big, like, six foot by six foot square. Not literalizing. No, no, no, no, you can't eat this one. All right.

And we also have, um, uh, we have, uh, television, uh, from the, uh, 1930s, 1940s. Um, and then other technology that shows that the C&E was the first for a lot of people to see some of these new, from these new pieces. We even have, um, a singer sewing machine, um, from 19, oh, what was it? It was like 1930s, I think. And at the time when Singer came in, they thought they could only sell one of these machines a day. So there's only 18 of them that have a custom C&E badge on it.

Wow. Yeah. Nice. Yeah. Do you guys still have the flyer cart? Yes, we do. Okay. Yes, we have the flower car.

It was restored by Rick Davis Productions. Sorry, or Rick Davis promotions. I always get the P wrong. But it was restored back in. 2022, 2022, and we bring it out every year. We also have, we have the original flyer letters as well, which are usually set up by the Princess Margaret Fountain. I saw that. That was incredible. It was, yeah. I need to see that back. Yeah. The flower car is coming out again. We're doing a special exhibit on Midways in the music building. This is going to be the first time that we've actually

been able to program the music building since the early 2000. So we're very excited about it. Amazing. So you said 18 days, though, but I worked. at the C&E from 89 to 91. Excuse me. And it was 20 days. Yes. Our longest was actually 21. And our shortest was 12.

So it has. See, I had no idea. For something, because I guess, because I had to get a paper thing. They'd punch at the gates or whatever you pass. So I know it was 20 days in all three years. But like, so I had no idea. And then I wondered, oh, maybe they just brought it down to 18 because it was less popular.

And they started on a Friday. And I was like, I started figuring out why. But I had no idea that the number of days of the, The C&E had fluctuated through the years. Yeah, yeah. So when we first opened, I believe that we were open for 12 days. And just going back to our roots, what you were talking about before, Jeremy, you're absolutely right.

The C&E did start in the 1850s as a traveling agricultural fair. That was actually created by Ontario cattle farmers because they wanted to teach the people in the, quote, big city what agriculture was like. So they would travel around Ontario. And then in 1877, 1870. it was decided that they needed a permanent home because the fair was getting larger and larger. And there were three cities that were in contesting for it. In Ontario?

In Ontario. Can we guess? Yes, go ahead. Okay, okay. I'm going to guess Kingston, Ontario. Okay. I'm just going to guess. Kingston, Toronto, and what third?

Ottawa. So I'm going to say, I was thinking Ottawa, obvious is Ottawa. But I'm going to say London, Ontario. So, yeah, that's a good one too. Toronto is absolutely right. Oh, I hope so. Okay, good. Ottawa is right.

I thought you guys. The third one. Hamilton. Guelph. Okay. Okay. We were getting there. We were going to get there eventually.

You were getting there. H and G. G.H. You're getting there. Yeah. So Ottawa ended up winning the initial bid, but the city of the city of Toronto counselors at the time weren't going to back down. So what they did was they went to the board of the traveling fair.

And they said, not only are we going to set aside over 50 acres of land for you, but we're also going to build you 15 to 16 custom buildings on the site, so that you can not only house the animals, but all of your, all of your workers, all of the farmers, you'll have actual lodgings here on the ground

so that you can look after everything. So that's what secured Toronto the bid to bring the traveling agricultural fair to Toronto. In 1879. In 1879. We need six. councilors like that today, right? They didn't back down. No, they got it done. We need that spirit in 2026. They did for sure.

We're talking about like the food building, automotive building. So, no, we're talking about like cattle sheds and lambing. There were very few buildings actually here on the grounds. Most of them were focused on agriculture and livestock, which makes sense for the time. Skatting cabin obviously came to the grounds, as Bob very awesomely told us about. But the other building that was transported or translocated here to the grounds

was the Crystal Palace. Initially, it was built, yes. Well, what did you got there, Jeho? Describe it for the people walking their dogs. This is a stereo card of the Crystal Palace in its early form when it didn't have the big tower on it. So I brought a bunch of artifacts today from the C&E. I've collected over the years, and this is one of them.

This is a 19th century. view master. He kind of looks through this and it gives you a 3D view of the scene back in the day. It's absolutely one of my favorite buildings in the history of the grounds. So that Crystal Palace was based off of the one from the London Exposition over in London, England. And the one that was based here in Toronto was built in the 1850s down by Cam H on Queen Street West. And then when it was announced that the grounds

here would get a permanent fair. It was decided that that Crystal Palace, our Crystal Palace, would be taken apart piece by piece, transported up here, and it was rebuilt where the horticulture building is right now. It's also called the Toronto Event Center. Oh, I used to work in there as well as I worked at the C&E Archives one year. Nice.

I saw, I see your badge there. This is my badge from... Oh, yeah, tell us with your badge. This is my badge from 2004. I was the exhibit coordinator for the C&E Archives that year. So I wrangled all the exhibits together to show everything from old cars, old wagons. I made a display also for Marilyn Bell because it was her anniversary year of her swimming across Lake Ontario. And she actually showed up to the exhibit and shook my hand and said, you did a great job.

And she was such a nice lady. And of course, I didn't have a camera back then. I didn't get a picture of it. So it's just my memory. Yeah, 04, yeah. But I had a great time working with Audrey Borges. and the archivist at the time, Linda Cobon. And yeah, it was a great learning experience.

I basically came in to visit the archives one day, and they found out I was getting into graphic design. And they said, well, do you want to do this job? Do you like history and graphic design? This would be great. And yeah, sure. Can a man walk down the street without being offered a job? I wish.

My goodness. Tell me about this pin. Oh, and this pin is an exhibition place pin that I got when I was actually working that year, too. so I thought I'd clip it to my jacket today. Okay. When you walked in, were you wearing the hat? I was wearing the hat.

Yeah, I had to duck. Okay. But back then, no, I didn't have the hat. Can I ask a Csci any question? Because this struck me yesterday because I was walking to the FIFA fan fest. And you get off at the Go station, not around when Skad and Cabin moved here in 1879. Yes. Okay.

But I was, I was swung by basically Coca-Cola Coliseum, as it's now referred to. Okay. And then the police horses were there And then my daughter was talking about how stinky it was Because nobody's stupid and scooping for these guys, okay? It's just there. Anyway. So the other job I was going to say...

Oh, you were stupid and scooping. Oh, yeah, I was stupid and scoop. No, I wasn't doing that. But close. I actually worked at music for a couple years on the weekends. And basically started doing catering there after I worked at the C&E archives. And then eventually the chef,

that was there. He left and then another chef left. And they said to me one day, you know the, you know the menu here and how to make everything. You're the new head chef. And I went, okay. Is that how it works? Went over there. So, so there I was. So I should start calling you chef. Like in the bear. There I was making all these hors durs and everything. And I'm like, what am I even doing here? I realize I need another like deep dive with Jeremy, not about Toronto history. Another Jayho history episode. Just about like his personal life and all the experiences that he's done. He's a bit like Forest Gump. I've had a lot of weird jobs and yeah, a little bit Forrest Gumpish. That could be a special podcast. Because the,

basically where we cooked everything, it was sort of like the secret entrance for any celebrities that were coming through. So I do have some stories of people coming through. Can you name check one or two for us? Shada and I are dying here. We just give us a couple. Well, Rob Ford came through and I caught him eating some of the sandwiches off my tray. My trays one night. and him in waste management, the head of waste management at the time was there too, and they were chowing down on the food that I made. What's the term when too many jokes come into your head at one time?

Waste management. Yeah. I watch the Sopranos, Jayho. I know what that's code for. And there was also, well, let's see, the situation from Jersey Shore. He popped into the back. Slow down.

I didn't know you're going to drop A-Lister's like, the situation from Jersey Shore. Yeah, and lots of people like that came. through and, oh, Will I Am came through one day. Oh, wow, Black-Eyed Peas. During one of the concerts they were having and he turned the volume up so loud that all the waitresses complained and came into the back and were just like, oh, my God, why is he doing this?

Well, he went to 11. Oh, he went beyond 11 that night. So, yeah, it was, I've got a lot of weird little stories like that. Maybe we'll. Wait, can you believe it? The situation. I can't. No, this is absolutely incredible.

So maybe we can deep dive on that one day of all the weird experiences. No, I have a new idea. One, 90 minutes on the situation. Oh, boy. Well, I didn't see him for that long. He just kind of escaped to the basement for a while. No, no, he...

No, I didn't know. That would be your profile pick. Yeah, it was an interesting job. And, yeah, I'll always have weird memories of that. Okay, but where was it going? So the building with the horses... Yeah, the Coliseum. How old is that building?

Approximately. The Coliseum was built in 1921. 21. Oh, just like Ridley Funeral. home. Well done. And then the horse palace itself was built late 1920s or early 1930s. So one of the really beautiful things about the grounds here is

this is one of the few places in Ontario, if not Canada, where you can walk for 15 minutes, one side of the grounds to the other, and see about six different architectural designs. We've got Art Deco, we've got art, bow art, we've got modern. Argarfunkel. We've got Argon. Garfunkel, if you want him.

The situation. The situation, everything. The chief architect for a long time was Gowanlock. Goynlock. Oh, Goynlock. Yeah. I never heard it said before, so. Oh, yeah, no worries.

Yeah, so he, George W. Goynlock was a prominent, a notable Toronto architect, and in the 1920s through to the 1950s, I believe. And he ended up building 15 buildings here on the grounds over his time. He actually was, uh, one. one of the people that put forward a proposal for a 50-year rejuvenation plan of the C&E grounds, starting on the east and working their way west. Today, there's five buildings that are left. Most of his buildings, unfortunately, were burned down.

We've had a lot of fires. But the buildings that are left include the horticultural building, the press building, or admin building, where one of my offices that I work out of. We also have the fire hall, the music building, and, Oh, I'm forgetting the last one. My apologies, I forget the last one. It would be the old government's building? Yes, medieval times.

Yes, medieval times. Thank you for that. Well gone. Look at that. I remember some stuff from back to the day. You did, yeah. Retains some things. He's more than a pretty face.

I can see that, obviously. Yeah, but we've had a lot of really beautiful architecture on the grounds. The grandstand itself, it's been through four iterations. until the most recent one was torn down in, I believe, the late 90s, early 2000s, and then Bimo Field was built in 2006. Yeah. I even remember the music building had a really bad fire, and it was in bad shape for a long time, but they pushed ahead to restore that, and it's nice that you're having an exhibit this year in it.

Yes, yeah. So the music building itself was built in 1917 by Going Luck. It was a railway's building. It was, yes. It was a joint project between the C&E and then two of the major railway companies at the time. And it was built in order to encourage people to travel across Canada and to let them know about all of the beautiful sites that we have. After that, it went through many iterations, including the Hydro building, where Toronto, Ontario Hydro would come in and teach people the safety of hydro and how they can use it in their homes.

The C&E was the first fair in the world to be electrically lit as well, right? 1882. Wow. Okay. I have to ask you, Sheda, is that okay, the duct tape on the outlet? Is that a fire hazard? Possibly, right? We got to keep our good eye on that.

As long as we don't get our safety engineer in here, I think we'll be okay. Hopefully the camera's not catching that because I think if we burn down scatting cabin, we'd be in big trouble, Jayho. I think it'll be okay. There's a couple of vent holes there to let the heat. out if there is any. I've got a bottle of water here. It's not knob and tube, right?

We're okay. No, it's good. So, okay, to bring it back to scatting just for a moment. Yes. 1879. Yes. Okay. So the opening of, I have the name here,

Toronto Industrial Exhibition. So when does it change the name to the C&E? About 1916. Oh, so it's a long run. It didn't roll off the tongue. When they were making the, like always, like that. Yeah.

So, so the, officially a change. in like 1960, but earlier than that, you actually see it on some of our art catalogs, maybe about eight years earlier. That's when they started calling us the Canadian National Exhibition. But officially it didn't actually turn around for a number of years after. Okay, so you got the Toronto Industrial Exhibition in 1879. And has it run every year since?

No, it hasn't. That is actually an excellent question. I'm full of them. I'm an award-winning podcast. Yeah. So the C&E has closed twice over our 147 years. Can I guess? Please.

The World Wars. Ooh, you are half right. Okay. And then the one is the Spanish influenza outbreak. No. Because the Stanley Cup was canceled that year. You have a guess. So one of them is going to be World War one.

I think the other one was the other pandemic. Didn't it? But the Spanish flu was the other pandemic. The recent pandemic. Oh, COVID-19. You know what? I blocked it out. I went to a therapist.

I said, how do I not remember? I know, it was a weird time for everybody. No, absolutely. We were closed for two years in 2020, 2021 to do COVID. So recent. Yeah. And the first time we closed was actually during the Second World War. Second World War.

Yeah, we closed from 41 until 46 and we reopened in 47. But during the first World War, we actually kept our doors open, even and allowed guests to come in and see British military officers at the time, go through their drills and practices. And maybe enlist. And potentially enlist. Exactly. They had a lot of sham battles too. Exactly.

Yeah. You'd show you how the trenches would be when they're overseas. Exactly. And I even hear that there was some mine explosions or some just down in the lake. Well, there's some photo.

Look over here. We've got some photos here. Oh, wow. Okay. Fred has an amazing sort of memory. Fred, okay. Fred's got a great mustache and some great info over there.

I brought a bunch of stuff too in the bag over there. Do we get Fred on to ask him about mustache maintenance? That's, yeah. Would you come on? I think you would. My first question is,

how do I grow one? If you wants to come on the mic. can talk about that stash, yeah. I'll do 90 minutes on that stash. Yeah, so we've only closed two years over our 147 years. We've got our 150th coming up in 2029, which we're very excited about. Yeah, and I'm happy to keep talking. Oh, no.

Questions about the Sini? Because I lived in fear of a guy who ran AstroZodiac Enterprises. Okay. Ardo Goddaro. Yes, I know Ardo. Do you know Ardo? I do. So when I have recently connected with his son,

because they're running screamers up in, Screamers is like a Halloween themed scary place. That was a good episode. Right. But I had to deal with some stuff I had been holding on to, but for three years, honestly, I was scared crapless by this man, Arto Godoro, who would just yell at us and he'd roam the midway yelling at us.

If he ever, I hope he never dies. I don't want anyone to die, but, you know, everybody dies. And then he would be the kind of guy who would haunt scatting cabin. Like I think he would, he would, haunt these grounds? So, um, I do know of one ghost story associated with scatting cabin. Um, so, um, well, actually there's two. The first one is, um, there was a paranormal searcher group that came through, um, back in 2007 and looked at several buildings and sites on the grounds. When they came to scatting cabin, they heard a woman crying and they didn't see anything.

They just heard a woman crying. And then there's also been other reports of late at night. If someone were to walk by. It could be a beautiful, clear evening. Fog will gather around the cabin unexpectedly. And then suddenly just drift away. Oh, wow. And that's it. That's a good one.

Yeah. And drift away. Yeah, just drift away. But there's a lot of places on the grounds that are actually haunted. Maybe Canada Kev was there. Maybe. Yeah, because he's been smoking the gonja. Yeah.

Okay, that's what that's, which is legal now. Yes. I don't remind everybody. He only was the day it was legalized was the day he had his first blunt. Wow. That's not a weird coincidence. That's incredible. Well, it's almost as while as, you know, scatting cabin moved here in 1879.

Okay. But so scatting cabin moves here. This is this spot we're in right now is the exact spot it was moved to in 1879. Yeah. It hasn't moved since. Okay. Any plans to move it anytime soon? This is here for the long haul.

Yes. Well, that would not be a, that would not be a, that would not be in my purview. That would definitely be with the York Pioneers. Is Fred moving in? What's going on over there? He's backing up the trailer as we speak here. And I love working with the York Pioneers, especially like during the fair.

They bring in a lot of really great programming and the history that they do here. It's just, it's, yeah. I see. Oops. Oh, I broke the pad. That historic rock. Oh, no. We didn't record that, did we?

That rock. That, this watch. Okay. I happen to have the, this is, yeah. York Pioneer and Historical Society. But I'm going to take this because it has more info on some of the artifacts. Artifacts, yeah. The things, the proper term is things.

Oh, I'm sorry. The things that we see in this room because it probably has some more info on that. Bassinet. Is that what that's called? What is it called? Cradle? Cradle. Cradle?

Fred calling it. I'm fancing it up with bassinet. That's like a fancy cradle here. I'm going to take this home too. There's a word search. My kids can do the word search later too. Any more questions for Sheda? Like, I think it's C&E.

Oh, there's so many. You have more Ardo-Gadaro questions for Shia? There's so many things that lead back to the history of the C&E. Design and innovation over the years that was premiered here. There's just so many things that were first that were shown here. Like one of the first streetcars was shown here. And it doesn't look like a streetcar. It just looked like a flat platform.

But everything from buses, trains, planes, you name it, they would premiere it here. Trains, trains and automobiles? Yeah. Yeah, honestly, we've had airplanes. We've had rockets from when, from when we did space programs back in the 60s. We also, so in 1882, like we were saying, that's when the electricity was first installed on the grounds. And we were actually the first fair in the world to have electricity.

And then in 1883, 84, we were, I believe, the second fair in North America to have an electric railway installed that started here on the grounds. and then went all the way up to King Street. And Thomas Edison came down and finished his experiments on electricity here on that railway. And that railway became the basis for the TTC Street cars and subways. That's amazing. So the C&E has a very strong connection, not only to exhibition place, but also to the city of Toronto. So what a lot of people, if you guys don't mind going on. Please continue.

Thank you. So a lot of people think the C&E and Exhibition Place are one and the same. We do have a very strong shared history. The C&E started on the grounds here in 1879, and until 1983, we operated all year around the grounds. So that means that even outside of our 18-day or 21-day event, we also activated other pieces and entertainments here on the grounds. And then in 1983, the Board of Governors of Exhibition Place was created,

and they took over the operation of the grounds outside of our 18-day event. The C&E became a branch of the city of Toronto at that time, and then in April of 2013, we fully separated from the city of Toronto, and the C&E is currently a independent not-for-profit. Oh, okay. So we don't receive any money from the government on a regular basis outside of a $5,000 annual grant, because we are still considered an agricultural fair.

Oh, well. Considering that it costs over $40 million to put on the fare. Yeah, I was going to say, that's gas money. It is, yeah. It's also kind of surprising, too, since now the Royal Agricultural Fair is a separate entity kind of. Well, it's done it at a separate time of year. Yes, yeah. So the Royal Agricultural Fair happens in October.

They celebrated their 100th anniversary back in 2021, I believe. but we both have shared roots. The C&E was the place for agriculture. And then we continued on with horseshoes until 2006, 2007. And now you see them exclusively at the Royal Winter Fair, which is an amazing, amazing event to go to. Highly recommended. But we also, like you were saying, Jeremy,

we were the place for first. So we were considered the first place for people to see everything from the latest automobile cars from our car show to brand new technologies like washing machines and televisions and even gramophones even even VR VR headsets back in 1996 and we were one of the places that showed the very first video game as well so wow yeah we've got a lot so in addition to the midway exhibit we're also doing an exhibit in the inner care center that's our main exhibit this year it's called um fair game, the history of sport at the C&E.

So what a lot of people don't realize is that we also have a connection to the Blue Jays. Well, that's the most famous one. They started here in 1977. We also held the Grey Cup games as well during the Fog Bowl, where it became so foggy that they had to cancel the game for almost two days before the fog lifted. We also, in the 1970s, we also were part of the Canadian Olympic Sports Committee. So we have a very strong history. And you had the Hockey Hall of Fame.

We had the Hockey Hall of Fame and the Sports Hall of Fame here as well. Right. Yeah. No, I used to line up to meet whoever, Dave Litt or whoever the heck was signing out of them. Oh, yeah. We've got photos of Bobby Orr and Bobby Hall and the Hockey Night in Canada was here as well. Yeah. Yeah, we've had a whole host of athletes and notable people.

This was actually one of Bob Hope's favorite events to come to. He opened our ceremonies twice, and he performed here almost 10 times over his career. And he's been noted in media saying that coming to the scene, he's one of his favorite parts of his tours. That's probably how Dave Thomas got so good. I was going to say I'll get up to the impression. To do the impression. I don't want to let you go until we talk about all the interesting, like,

Toronto radio stunts. I'm thinking of Mike Cooper on the roller coaster. In 1975 when he was with Trump, he did, what was it? It says 21 days. 21 consecutive days he was up on that. Yeah, that's, that was pretty incredible. We've had a lot of different media personalities come down and media stunts. And, yeah, with him being up on the Ferris wheel, that was absolutely incredible.

I'm pretty sure it was the Ferris wheel. Yes. Mike Cooper came on the show to talk about it. Oh, did he really? Yeah, he's come over to my South Atopical basement to give the, the deal on that. Yeah. I'd love to talk to him about his memories about the C&E. Well, it's not too late.

Coup's still, uh, still, uh, concerns. Yeah. Um, the latest, the latest midway media, um, thing that I can remember is,

I believe last year we did marriage on the midway. So couples that were planning on getting married or renewing their vows could submit an application. And then the winning couple got married in front of, I think it was either our ferish wheel or our giant wheel, one of the two. Oh, so yeah.

Yeah, we're always coming up with crazy new, cool things. Do you want to tease anything coming up 2026? What date is it open? August 21st. We open August 21st and we close on September 7th. You know, you're a sign of summer coming to an end. I know. I'm so sorry.

You get the pays. Oh, the CNE's on. It's like, oh, it's ending. I know. It's always been sweet. And even though I haven't been in school for decades. I still feel like I'm going back to school the day after the end. It has that Sunday feeling.

I've got to go back to work tomorrow. That's a nice. a therapist about this. Like, why am I, why do I think I'm going, I'm not going any school. No. I got kids who go, maybe that's part of it. But I feel like I'm going back to school the day after Labor Day. It's the nostalgia, right?

It's the memories. It's, that's, it's the trauma. It's, sure. Whatever word you choose to use. I'm going to go out of trauma. Okay. PTSD. Not a lot I can tease at the moment.

Top secret. Top secret. The Wednesday before the fair. That's when, that's our. media day. So that's when all of our brand new foods are going to be released. How do I get an invite to the media day? Let me see what, let me see if I can put a good word for you. I cannot give out any details.

I guess you just got to figure out what haven't they deep fried yet. That's always a good question. Deep fried gramophones. There you go. Let's see how that was working. Oh, the deep fried Oreos are just like to die for. They literally kill you. They.

Shout out to Middney funeral home. It's a cross promotion. Cross promotion, yeah. Well, from the exhibit side, like I said, I already talked about our sports history exhibit and our Midway exhibit. Yeah. We're also revealing some new C&E merchandise that people are able to come in and bring a little bit of the C&E home with them.

That's also going to be located in the music building. And then the gaming garage is coming back. Super Dogs is coming back. Skating show. We have an exhibit. exhibit this year that we're working with the Canadian Space Agency with, I believe. Yeah, so we're going to be looking at some space elements from that. Any private spas coming to the exhibition place anytime soon?

Not that I'm aware of, no. Write that down. Okay. That sounds binding to me. But we have some really amazing favorites coming back, and we have some brand new gems coming into, so I'm very excited to share it with everybody. Jayhaw, we've got to get an invite to Media Day. And we got to cover it.

I would love to. I'll see what I can do. I'll see what I can do for you guys. She can't do it, no one can't. If she can't do it, I will do everything in my power. I swear to God. Okay. Do you think Fred would talk about his mustache for a moment?

I think he would. He looks pretty agreeable over there. Oh, and he's got a nice snowbird's hat on. Look at that. Should we do like five minutes of Fred before we say goodbye? Yeah, sure. Is that okay? Oh, yeah, no, absolutely.

All right. Thank you so much. Thank you for having me. Honestly, I think you are a great liaison for Canada's media. You are well spoken. Oh. And you belong in a microphone. I don't say that to any.

Did I say that to Bob? Oh, no. But you can say that to Bob too. No. Thank you so much. I'm actually speaking so sad. But you must know this. No.

How often do you get in front of a microphone? This is my first time. Is that true? I don't believe that. You did too good. She was waiting for a podcast to come to Scatting Cabin. Honestly, I've been pitching a C&E podcast for the last few years. I produce it.

Really? I have three years experience working as a game spoof attendant for Astro Zodiac Enterprises and Arto Godarro. So you're our man. I'm your man. I love it. So, well, we'll talk. We'll talk.

We're going to make something happen here. But thank you so much for having me on. This has been an absolute pleasure. I learned a lot. I loved it. And again, like always, like never before. I actually remember in a whole lot of my mind. I don't know if you have to watch your head,

but just... I'm pretty short. Okay. She's okay. I think she's also... I think she's also FOTM material, don't you? Maybe. Isn't she already an FOTM?

I think she's an FOTM. She needs to repeat. She doesn't need to return here. Okay, so don't... Yeah, this is Fred, okay. I like... I like the name Fred. I think Fred's a good name.

What do you think? I liked it ever since... Fred and Barney, yeah. Yeah. Okay, shout out to Humble and Fred. Oh, there's a Fred, too. There's a Fred, too. And you produce his show, right?

I do produce Humble and Fred show. There you go. I got referrals. is you can ask Humble and Fred. Tell Sheda. I got a referral there. Fred, are they making new friends?

Are any babies being born in the city of Toronto? Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah, okay, get those headphones on. Okay. So you know of baby friends. I have, my son is a ginger guy,

and he has my dad's name, and then my grandson is also ginger. So we're producing ginger's dead. You're making, okay. Are all ginger's friends or are all friends ginger's? I don't know. I'm just cloning my family. Okay, he wants to keep, it's like when George Foreman named all this kid's George.

Oh, keep the George alive. Okay. Just like we got to keep the Gords alive in Canada now. There's not many Gordes anymore. Half of the TMU is named Gord. It is. I used to joke that every other guy, every other male born in the 50, 60, 70s, or 80s is named Mike, or Michael. Every other male.

Okay, that's a fact. But now I realize it's actually Gord. I was wrong. Shout out to Y, Y, Y, Z. And he'll get mad. I call him Y, Y, Z. Okay. So Fred, the mic is yours. First of all, tell us like, did you just walk by and wander in? Who the heck are you, Fred?

I've been actually reappointed just recently to be on the board for these coordinating of skating cabin activities here. Unfortunately, one of our past members had some health issues, so I stepped up to fill the gap for now. I do have a team here that does support me well. There's a chap named John Marshall. He's our past archivist for 30 years. Beth, she's part of our... I met Beth. Lovely. Yeah, she's doing some programming here. It did an amazing thing for the summer, so please come by. Well, let me ask you the programming, because somebody said, we've talked to so many people here,

but somebody said it's during the C&E or doors open, but are there other times that the general public can get into Scatting Cabin? Only by appointment. We do have some special bookings for people to do. Was this a special booking today? Yes, it was, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, I recently saw on your website that there's a photography event coming up where you can book a time to come here and take some photos. Sure, this Wednesday.

It's actually a class of how to do photography with the Toronto West Camera Club. And a little shout out to them for Wednesday night here. I'll be here again. That's the 22nd. Correct, yeah, yeah. See how good I am at math? I did that off the top of my head. Didn't even use a calendar.

You're good. How long have you been rocking the mustache? Never shaved. So I trim it up occasionally. Like in your life? Yeah, I get called Lanny McDonald's sometimes. Yeah. Big stash, no familiar.

Yeah. I'm thinking of great, because I watched the Joe Carter statue was unveiled. Oh, by the way, Shada, kudos to whoever put the monuments for where the bases were at Exhibition Stadium. Oh, go out in the parking lot. I like to go to the parking lot. I take photos of these, so I don't know. We'll give Bob credit. Did he lay those down?

That would be Exhibition Place Archives. Okay, so Exhibition Place Archives. People should know that right by Bimo Field in the parking light, you can see where the bases were. Because I was thinking they had a little bit of a reunion. and I saw FOTM Rance Mullinix. And I think, oh, there's a great mustache. Rance Mollinix has a great mustache. Who are your favorite moustaches?

Is it Lannie McDonald's? Is he the best? I don't know. It's his own mustache. My own mustache. Fred's mustache. I get a lot of compliments. So when you say Never Shade, I'm trying to understand.

So like I don't, I don't know about everybody else, but like I started noticing something's growing on my upper lip. I'm like maybe 14 years old or something like that. Okay. So you just, it was coming in and you just, just said, I think I'll let it do its thing for the rest of my life. Exactly. Wow!

Do you ever wax it up for any historical events? I did when I got married, yes. Oh, okay, okay. Got the sinister... Curl it right up yet, too. Now, just speaking of that, I happen to have right here in the scatting cabin, an antique artifact. Back in the day, they used to call them relics. But obviously more currently, we call them art. And this is a mustache curler, which hangs here in the cabin, so you can come down and see this hanging in our kitchen display.

Oh, wow. It's a mustache killer for curling your mustache. Have you ever used it? Not here, no. Looks a lot like a pair of scissors just flat on the end. Flat all the way up, yeah. Oh, all the way up, yeah. Okay, so just, and again, we'll talk history in a quick moment here.

I need to get this out of my head here. But okay, so you basically, you hit puberty, you're now growing facial hair like most of us, and you're like, I'm never cutting, I'm never shaving this. I will trim it if it gets excessive. So how often do you have to trim that bad boy? It depends on how fast it grows. Depends? Okay.

So, but I mean, you're not a, you're not an old. Because you're not an old man, but you're, you got a couple of years on Jayjo here, okay? So we're talking, we're talking, like, six, at least six decades, right? Maybe, maybe. What do you think? I'm going to say, yeah, at least, at least, so six decades. And what, we mentioned, I don't know when, you hit puberty, Fred.

You probably hit puberty at like eight years old. You lucky son of a gun here. I was late. I was late. You were late. Oh, yeah, yeah. Okay. But that, that, that, I never even knew that was an, like, how did you have,

have the wherewithal to say, like, I'm not going to do what everyone else is doing, shaving this thing with a straight razor or whatever. I'm going to let this mustache grow. You just knew. You just knew I was, you knew I'm going to be blessed with a great mustache. I'm not touching this thing. I think that's wild. Yeah.

You kind of came into that leap with your hair. Well, kind of, yeah. You were like, I'm just going to let this go. But at least in high school, I did let it go. And then there were times they brought it back in because, you know, George Clooney was a big deal. And ER, you got to rein that bad boy in once in a while. while, but that's a heck, okay.

And you got photos here of, I don't want it to be all about your mustache. I remember this, the Scatting Cabin episode. Yes, it is. But you got some great photos here. You could do some show and tell here. Well, just for Jayhull here, brought a picture of 1920 parking lot, right outside the front door here at the cabin. We parked all of the lawn.

Wow. The postcard here says 1920, 10,000 cars parked on the lawn. And we actually do have pictures in our collection as well, too. Looking out the back window here, there's probably 20 cars. just in the backyard on the lawn surrounding here. As a historian, I take some issue with parking around the obelisk monument that's here for the French Forest. Yeah, there it is. Obviously, the lakeshore is a little bit farther out, but not quite as far as it is today.

Again, it just gives you a point in context. You know, the old cars, the colorized postcard, I think it's a great shot. Well, Fred, that's a great shot. But it reminds me I grew up in the 80s, and downtown Toronto was just parking lots as far as the eye could see. Like, all I don't, you know, they, it was just parking lots. Yeah, in the 60s and the 70s, when they were tearing down a lot of the buildings, the lots just became parking lots after they got rid of those Victorian buildings. It all started here in 1920 here.

That's great photo. I've actually got some of these postcards here today in my bag. I brought a bunch of old artifacts of the C&E today to show as well. And there's the cabin. This is a cabin again, about 1915, I believe. And you look on the front lawn, here's a picture of a phone booth, which is very, very rare. Wow. And we had some renovations done here three years ago.

Yeah. On the back, we had to replace one of our logs. We had some major people stand up with some donations. I remember that. Exhibition Place was a big player as well, too. $83,000 to replace one log. Jeez. Oh, my God.

You can't go to Home Depot and buy a 25 foot six by 12 to replace a log on the bottom. We also went through the city with heritage permits and heritage conservators to have that properly done. There's always a maintenance, obviously, cost to keeping the cabin vibrant and alive. There's issues around here. Well, I'm glad you brought that up. our way out here, right? Because, yeah, there's maintenance required for this wonderful piece of history we've been enjoying for the past, you know, 75 minutes on this podcast. And that takes money. It does, yeah. And you guys, I know the York pioneers, we talked about this

with Bob, they've been raising funds to repair the cabin. And it's important that if you can give, this is a great place to give. I appreciate that. I appreciate that. Yeah. I just wanted to get a little shout out too, you know, Sheda mentioned that the heritage buildings on the property. And this is one of 10 that are provincially designated properties to be kept as a heritage thing. When you go through the designation process, there's a number of criteria you have to meet

through Regulation 906 to do with the historical background, the design and building. This is a very, very, very unique building. We could go outside and see the corners. They're actually dovetailed corners. We got to do that. And you look up here, the guys in the wagon.

Yeah. The band. We're working on a book. the men in the wagon, and another researcher and I, Diane, have researched every single one of those guys in the wagon. We're on a first-name basis. Any Fred's on that wagon? Actually, it does not.

What I can tell from that photo, too, is it's a composite. Some of the people, I don't think we're actually there at the time. Oh, early Photoshop? Early Photoshop. It looks like some of their heads were grafted on some of the bodies. Whoa, this is scandalous, right, Fred? It's a scandalous. I think it is original.

How dare you? We have other versions, other versions. I'll do this for you, Fred. How dare you? There is some other versions. Question the integrity of that photo. Oh, no, I don't. They came along from Jarvis and Adelaide with that wagon full of guys, just 24 guys, and two oxen.

Yeah. The guy that's steering the auction was William Rennie, renowned Canadian for seeds and seed catalog. Oh, yeah. Is he the Rennie from Rennie Park? Possibly. Maybe, maybe. His house was up at Swansea. Yeah, that's it.

Yeah, same guy. That's the guy. Reni Park. My kid plays there every week. He also had a farm in Scarborough, too. And it was the model. farm that he had out there as well. Yeah. And then he had property up and Markham 2.

Obviously he had property around. I've got a couple of seed bags from Rennie's in my collection and also a catalog. And they had beautiful catalogs. Unbelievable. Yeah. Yeah. Is that what you're telling me, Jayhaw? Janeh.

Strange enough, we had a booth at the Medicare building, which we do once a year. Thank goodness to the C&E Association. And last year, a guy came back. He was here two years ago. He came back last year just to meet me. and have a conversation. He was a direct descendant of William Rennie, and he brought me a little file chip,

a flash drive of the C catalogs, the pictures of the house, William Rennie playing curling on the Grandadier Pond at High Park. That's right by Rennie Park. Yeah, and the history of this man was, and he said he'd been coming to C&E for 75 years and said, that's a true tradition, right? So try and beat that.

He's been coming since he was five, and he was 75 years old. So, yeah, 80 years old, yeah. Another person I'd met back in 2004 was Bill Wither. who was the honorary president then. But yeah, the, the family, Withrow Park, and a lot of things are named after Withrose, but they have a lot to do with the early history of the C&E as well.

Oh, Mr. Withrow was the first president for the C&E in 1879. Oh, yeah, yeah. Okay. It's all coming together. It was great to have him. He came to the exhibit as well and saw what I did and just thought I'd, he said, you did a great job. And I went, oh, my God, that's so, like, just the lineage there was just,

praise from Caesar. Really amazing to get that praise, yeah. What do you think, we talked about his mustache, But what do you think of his hat? I love his hat too. I've actually got a snowbird's hat. A snowbird schedule in there and some of the CNE air show memorabilia there too. But the snowbirds were retired this year, but that's a great hat for the snowbirds.

Yeah, yeah. I bought that at the airshow here three years ago. Yeah. It's out here on the front lawn. You come by the scatting cabin on air show day. You have to plug your ears because the big jekylls over and just, whoa. Oh, I've been on bike rides where I didn't know what was coming. It just almost crashed into the lake.

I'm like, what a heck. We mean, Trump's coming. What's going on? What's going on here? And that's another thing that's on the grounds here, too, speaking of Trump and the goodwill between the U.S. and Canada. The U.S. and Canada, basically there's the,

oh, the peace memorial that's over there that was put there by the Shriners. And during that year, the Shriners had a big convention here, and they erected that as a memorial to the lasting peace between America and Canada and, you know, the war of 1812 will never happen again. But I don't know. Lately it seems kind of not the greatest friendship, but well. Oh, I'm getting that rash again. Okay.

Scratching and breaking out and a hive's over here. But they even brought back the city of Toronto's, well, the parliament's mace, around that time period. And they came across in an American destroyer and gave it back to us as a signature of goodwill. And it's still at the Ontario Parliament now today. Okay.

Any more bombs to drop on our, way out here, Jayho? You're not holding out on us, aren't you? There's a building celebrating 100th anniversary this year. Liberty Grand is another old Ontario government's building, but it's 100 this year. I don't know if they're doing any, planning any

celebration for it. Or if we freed those statues yet? Like Ghostbusters? The two lions? Yeah. I don't know. Three lions. I think they won bronze. Maybe they get up and walk around at night. Fred, lovely you're doing here, man. Love your mustache. Love your hat. Keep up the great work, man. Thanks, thanks for your time today. I just appreciate the shout of Skadding Cabin. Thank you very much.

And much love to all the Freds. And I'm glad to hear we're still making new ones. I don't want that name to go. Gare Joyce told me there's no more Gary's being born. And I realize we actually should come up of a list of like endangered names. Yes, one of endangered species list. And we should do a campaign. Name your kid. Whatever. Bring back some of the old ones. Yeah. I'm telling Fred. He works. He works. is not my, I'm telling him to watch his head as if he doesn't know where he is, that scatting

Cabinier. Okay, so to, go ahead. One other thing I want to do is just, I'm so glad this all came together, and I want to thank everybody from York Pioneers and from C&E and from Exhibition Place for taking the time out today and taking the time off the time off. Well, she only works over there, right? Well, yeah. But I appreciate it very much.

But Bob, you came from far away? North York. He's up in my head, close to my hood. He came to see you. Yeah. drive you home. That's what I'm telling you. Amazing.

So born, if you will, born in 1794, moved here in 1879. Yes. And in 2026, finally a podcast was recorded from Scatting Cabin. Let's not bury the lead.

First time a podcast was recorded at Scatting Cabin. Incredible. You're incredible, Jayho. You are too. I can't believe you won't be on next week. I can't either. Do we have a plan for the next episode?

I do not. I was actually trying to get in contact with the Liberty Grand people to maybe do a show there, but I don't think that's quite jailing. I know somebody. Oh, you do? Okay. Yeah, maybe. And that brings us to the end of our 1,936th show. It looks like the duct tape

held up. That plug never fell out. Oh, you got a phonograph here. This phonograph is from the year before 1936. This is a 1935 gramophone. You want to play something on our way out? Yeah, sure. Okay, so you can do that. Start playing.

I'll finish this extra and then I'll just listen to your music here. Everybody, go to TorontoMike.com for all your Toronto Mike needs. And much love to all who made this possible. Again, that's Great Lakes Brewery, Palmapasta, Toronto Maple Leafs Baseball, Nicainis, Recycle My Electronics.com. and Ridley funeral home. I'm trying to go camping, okay? I got a trip booked.

I'm picking up a car later today. I'm getting out of town. But Ted Axe, who tells me he's the first... His band, he's a lead singer and founder of a band. The Action. Is that the name of the band? I think so. They claim to be the first punk band in Canada.

1977 or whatever. Oh, wow. I got to hear Ted's story. Okay, so Jayho. Yes. We're in the Easter egg section of the song. So you can start playing that. Okay.

I'm going to have to crank it up. Crank it up because then I'll literally bring down the theme and we'll just hear your music on the way out. So Jayho is cranking a phonograph player. And he's got a, what song is on there? This is midnight and finale. Oh, finale, perfect for closing a podcast at Scatting Cabin. But we need to hear it like ASAP.

How much time does it take to scan that thing? All right. He's putting the drop, drop the needle. I'll get play by play here. Okay. Okay, he's dropping the needle. This is the choir of 2,000 voices from the C&E from around 1927.