Toronto Mike'd: The Official Toronto Mike Podcast - Mike Stafford and Supriya Dwivedi: Toronto Mike'd Podcast Episode 1797

Episode Date: November 12, 2025

In this 1797th episode of Toronto Mike'd, Mike Stafford and Supriya Dwivedi are reunited. Toronto Mike'd is proudly brought to you by Great Lakes Brewery, Palma Pasta, Ridley Funeral Home, Nick Ainis, Blue Sky Agency, Kindling, RetroFestive.ca and RecycleMyElectronics.ca. If you would like to support the show, we do have partner opportunities available. Please email Toronto Mike at [e-mail].

Well, good morning, and it's Mike Stafford here in the studio with my co-host. Of course, lovely to see Supriya DeVetti, sorry yesterday, sorry of the day before. But every day is like a new day with Supriah. Oh, hell no, it's been 63 months since I've seen you. 63 months, five years and three months. And two dead spouses. And two dead spouses. And that'll be it.

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Committing to our planet's future means properly recycling our electronics of the past. And Redley Funeral Home, pillars of the community since 1921. Today, Reunited on Toronto Mike, it's Mike Stafford. I'm Peaches. And Supriya DeVetti. Welcome back to both of you. We call her herb. Well, it is it.

It is a, you know, we talked about possibly getting together and we'll get to the issues in our lives. But Mike kept saying, oh, Supriah can do it or she can't do it. And I thought, I can't do it. Because I've been on the show, what, 16. I'm like Bob Hope. I actually took a note on this. So this is your sixth visit. Sixth.

But out of 1,000, you know, what is it, 797. I mean, don't try and downplay it. That's just like Indian parenting here. Six is good. Six is a lot. What else am I going to talk about? I've already, we did that whole two hours on things that rhyme with Corey. We ended at Jeff's story.

Allegory, Alec Montessori. We ended a Jeff story. I think there's never a shortage of content when you visit. I'm honored to have you here, but I did want to reunite you to, and I'm glad we could, you know, schedule this when Supria could join us, because welcome back, Supriya.

Yeah, thanks so much. Appreciate all the accommodating going on. Supriya, I was told by none other than Steve Paken, I was promoting your first visit, which, by the way, was in May 2025. You dropped by for the first time. It was episode 1,696. What I wrote at the time is Mike Chats of Supriah DeVetti about why she chose law school over medical school,

how she ended up co-hosting the morning show on AM 640 with Matt Gurney and then Mike Stafford, who's in the room, why she quit and what she was basically, what she was doing for Justin Trudeau and more. So we talked at length about everything in May 2025. But shortly thereafter, Steve Paken came over and I was talking about this great chat I had with you. And he said, I've been saying your surname wrong. So Steve Paken says the W is silent. Yeah, so it's, he's not wrong. So it's divetti.

So it's not dwebetti. Yeah, but I mean, it's there. But so, because in Hindi, you would say dividi, and then to anglicize it, you kind of go divetti. And so what's, I mean, do you remember the jingle? Some like lasagna. Some like, yes. Others like spaghetti.

Spaghetti. Everybody loves Supriya and dvetti. Okay. Okay. So I, it's not div wali. but I learned to I just now pretend like the W is not there I ignore it yeah that's probably

but thank you now is it Dwight or Dwight who did Rain Wilson play I can't remember I was actually two weeks ago I was at a sauna I was having a schvitz and who walks in

but Dave Bendini and and Bruce Arthur and they said come on apparently they just go around to these saunas and get people on your show. Isn't that how you go?

Wait, actually what, that's literally how I got on. Yeah, I was standing outside. He made that up. I made that up. He made that up.

Because you had to be going there for in the first half. Yeah. But yeah, it was outside the West End Phoenix HQ. I was on my way to see change of heart. I'm biking by and I look over.

I see FOTMs, Dave Bedini and Bruce Arthur. And there is Supriya and I know you, but we've never met. And then we met and this is your second visit. And that was a nexus of liberal It really was. Holy smokes.

Also, that reminds me owed Bidini an email. Okay. There you go. He's probably watching live. I had a purpose today. Okay. So I did shout out

the first time I met Supria and we had like a wonderful chat. I referenced it as recently as there was an episode with Rashmi Nair a couple weeks ago and she talked about quitting on 1010. She had the afternoon drive show and she quit.

And I shared your story of why you quit at 640. There was some parallels. That's not surprising. I mean, two round ones. I'm in-talk radio, right? I think there are issues that are systemic to the industry,

and I think they're particularly exacerbated on the talk radio side of things. I didn't know you're going to use those $5 words. I have to get my dictionary out for these words, but I'm going to just shout out your most recent episode, Mike Stafford, because of this, this is your sixth, so this would have been your fifth episode, and then we'll talk about what's going on in your life, and hopefully you two will reunite. Can I open my beer first?

Okay, sorry. Yeah. Of course. On the mic, that is a Great Lakes beer. It's a premium lager. Freezing. So, you, yeah, I have. I want a cold one.

Is it a cold one? So, what is that, though? So let me explain. So Mike Stafford has, our sponsor on this show, is GLB, Great Lakes beer, and you are going home with some fresh craft beer from Great Lakes. You have in your hand, Mike Stafford, a Great Lakes logger. Yep. So you can pop that.

But I do have a couple of beers on the table from Fairweather, which is a friend of Great Lakes beer. It's a craft brewery in Hamilton. and they are on the most recent episode of the Great Lakes podcast between two fermenters. So you can open this, it's up to you. Okay, I'll do this one. Okay. What is that called? That's the

fair weather beer. Yeah, it's called priceless pale ale. And if we run out of beer, I have a lot in the fridge upstairs. I'll run up and get some. Pale ale with the juiciest dry hop money can buy. Strong. That's the premium logger. There's a light logger as well. My Facebook feed all week has been Edmund Fitzgerald crap. I know more about that ship than ever. But apparently GLB has an Edmund Fitzgerald Porter.

Do they? Yeah. You know, who has a great cover of that song? The Rio Statics. So it all comes back to Dave Boudini. That's right. They did that. Yeah, I liked it very much.

Martin Tiele. Now, I will apologize to this. If you had a very loud headphone volume off the top, that is 100% Bob Willett's fault because he was here yesterday for toast. He was sitting in that seat. And Bob from years in radio

can't hear a thing. Like, I have to turn his... But how is your hearing after... Like, Mike, you were in radio for decades. for four years. No, I know, so I'm switching it to Mike. How's your hearing from so many years in radio? Sucks. Do you need your headphones turned up?

No, no, no, no, no. There are two people in radio. Andy Frost was the worst. Holy Jesus. I don't know how that man walked with that inner ear. And there was another guy at work. I think Oakley was bad for that. But I just love the fact. These headphones don't feel like 3,000 people have been wearing them.

It's only 1,797 people. No, no, but the 641s, you could smell the aftershave. It was like baked in, you know, the de car noir, whatever it is. Probably from the hog days. Hi, karate. Shout out to the hog. Okay, so I'm going to read the description from your last visit, Mike, and then we're going to catch up. It was May.

No, that was February. It was February. It was February 2025. It was Saturday. It was episode 1,000. Yeah, Saturday. I picked you up. You took a subway.

time you took an Uber, but I was after my boys hockey game. I remember that, and I picked you up. And it was episode 1,637, and here's what I wrote. Mike chats with Mike Stafford about his suit against chorus, so we'll get an update on that at some point. His health, his life in the world at large. So we just did a huge catch-up. But let me, before

I go any further, you've got your Great Lakes and you there. My sincere condolences to you, Michael Stafford, since we last talked, you lost your wife, Jody. And I am so fucking sorry. Yeah, I guess the status will I last saw you in February. She'd be going to chemo once a month at Credit Valley,

and she would go back to the diagnosis was in August. It was my birthday. We thought she had a kidney stone, and she was bleeding and, you know, whatever. We went to Mississauga Hospital, didn't even get in for an imaging. It was six in the morning the doctor said, you know what, here's some, you know, penicillin, go home. If it keeps up, come back. Within a week, we were back.

And for her to be in that kind of pain and go to hospital, you know the story. They actually did an image that night. They were much more concerned because the pain was unbearable. And I remember the ER doctor just looked at her and said, we have found a gross, that was the term he used, mass on your right kidney. And Jody went, oh, God, is it serious? He says, it's very serious. you're going to lose that kidney.

He was very straightforward. Right. We didn't know what the mass was or anything. She had the kidney removed in December. She had an oncologist by then. They knew it was probably going to be renal cell. And it was. And they said with treatment, renal cell's tough.

It's kind of like pancreatic. It doesn't show up until it's too late. And they said, you know, you've still got a good shot with treatment stuff. She was doing pretty good with the chemo. when she was doing immunology as well, immunotherapy, rather. And I guess things went to shit last June when she'd already had Mets in her lung and her femur.

It went to the brain. And Supri, I'm sure you probably understand. That's when it went to shit. We had an appointment with her oncologist at Credit Valley, and even the oncologist said, Are you okay? Because she was staying, it was like she had picked.

disease or Tourette's. She just wasn't controlling her emotions or anything. That's not like her. That was June, end of August, because she was living up in Little Britain. We had been separated. I got a message from her friend. We've had to take it to hospital. She's very sick.

She's throwing up, et cetera, et cetera. They took her, they sent her home, and then they called, which I found very unusual. Get her back now. sepsis. So she was in for sepsis. I went up the next day, up in Lindsay, where they took care of her. But she never got out of the hospital after that. She rallied a bit from the sepsis.

I saw her laborly weekend, and then two weeks later, I went up, and she was pretty well gone. She died on the 15th of September. Fortunately, it was the day after I'd left. I had to come back to Toronto because I had some medical stuff as well. well and yeah just got the phone call she's gone 55 years of age um and uh she was in a hospice care by then at lindsay hospital she was only hooked up for pain nothing else and um you know far too young obviously but uh what you know you know what are you saying but how are you holding

up i have good days and bad days i have good memories and obviously we'd been separated we And after I'd lost my job and everything, you knew my, it's been an open book on this show, what my life has been like, you know, the biggest moments for me are at night listening to music because we both loved music. She was a huge CF&Y fan from the 80s. I worked there in the 80s. So we shared a lot of the same music, and a song will come on. I'll go, Christ, we loved that song.

She loved that song. She loved that song. um it's only been two months but i don't feel like i've had that cinematic moment yet like kim wexler and better call saul where she just loses it on the on the bus that day after you know five years of this crap so other than that dr phil um i'm doing okay but other than that you're doing a okay yeah great mike staffer well i've i've actually started I've started a music marketing thing that I've been doing. And I got my first client, and I'm going to be working socials.

I don't know if you do a LIPA. That's the second time he had me going. No, I knew he was working up to something. I was just waiting for the much. You know, you know, the artist. He had the twinkling his eyes. So I don't have to work that hard. Yeah, exactly.

I knew. Just I don't know, because the looks I was getting the other night at the Sabrina Carpenter concert. Narc, Narc, Narc with a cane. Don't commit your hate crime here, Narc. Where's the Narc? I was like, oh, good for you, staff. You got a gig?

Who's this young, you know, Toronto, or I didn't do a lip. So, Sabrina, in all seriousness here, that's even possible at this point. Like, when you hear Mike talking about losing his wife, she was only 55, but how does it hit you? I mean, your husband was younger than that. Yeah, he was 40.

It makes me angry, if I'm being honest, because the first thing that struck me about what happened with Jody is the fact that triage didn't do its job. She should have been imaged, and if not imaged, she should have at the very least been asked extensively about her symptoms, about the onset, about the, if you said she was bleeding, when did the bleeding start? Is there pain with the bleeding?

Is it acute? Is it sharp? Is it dull? Where do you feel it? Is it radiating? Do you have any other symptoms? You know what I mean? So it's like... She was on the floor, Supriya in pain in the ER. And God love the people who work there. Yeah, yeah. Look. Well, let's preface this by saying we understand the healthcare workers. It's the fucking system that's fucked. Sorry for swearing. She had other patients coming in saying there's a woman on the floor out there. And the woman just kept saying, it's a kidney stone. It's a kidney stone. She'll be fine. She'll be fine. She'll be fine. She'll be fine. So I think out of pure exhaustion at 6 a.m. when the doctor said, Of course. You're just like, yeah, let's get home. And we lived. It was a five-minute drive. Yeah, I remember. And then come back if it doesn't go away. And of course, it didn't.

And it turned out there was a mass, you know, a gross mass. And so the reason why that makes me so angry is because, you know, Anup used to get regular scans for his last. lungs he had an unrelated autoimmune disease that he had been diagnosed like years and years ago and they did his regular checkup or whatever and they found a growth in his lung that didn't look like a regular nodule or whatever it looked abnormal and uh the pulmonologist at the time was like okay come back in three and a half months why why three and a half months like there's no that's not clinically it's not a clinically significant timeline it was picked out of thin air by the

time he did go back in three and a half months it was like several orders of magnitude larger and again at that point you know he was a non-smoker obviously clearly hit with some sort of freakazoid cancer um that was stage four you know when he was finally diagnosed in january of 2023 and i mean he passed in july of 2023. So it was diagnosed at stage four? He was diagnosed at stage four. Well, so was Jody, but one compared to renal. Yeah, yeah.

Was he having any, sorry, I'm, no, no, no, no, any breathing issues or? No, I mean, he didn't have any real breathing issues, but, you know, you mentioned the brain stuff and, um, I mean, if I can be very honest, he was diagnosed in, in, in January of 2023, in December, you know, when you're making the, the Christmas rounds or whatever with friends and family. You know, my sister pulled me aside at one point and is like, is everything okay with you do? Like, we were more snippy than usual.

Yeah. With one another. And it's likely because at that point, his brain was already starting to become Swiss motherfucking cheese. Yes. Right? Yeah. And like, he'd forget things and it would annoy me that he was forgetting things.

Yeah. And then, of course, you feel guilty once you know that that's the reason why you're arguing more. And it's just this whole circle. But anyway, to bring this all back, the first thing was anger. And like, I don't know, maybe, you know, you talk about you're not there yet. yet. Like, I'm clearly not there yet. I haven't had that cinematic moment either, but I think there is something to be said about, like, the most visceral sort of thing I feel is like red, hot rage

at the health care system. I heard you, it's Ryan Jefferson, right? Yeah. You work with? Yeah. That was the first time I'd heard that a noop was sick. Oh, shit. Um, was you were talking to Ryan. Yeah. And he might have done a little clip about it and showed a few clips of you. That was the first time I'd heard of it. I'm sorry you had to hear that way. Oh, no, no, no, God, no, no. It was just like, and then I heard the anger. Yeah, yeah. The shit you were going through with the system.

Yeah. And again, you constantly want to preface. I mean, God love it. There was about two weeks before she died. She was still pretty loose, and she was sitting in bed in the ICU at the time. And a young nurse, it was Labor Day weekend, so they had the, you know, the B staff on came in. And she was doing Jody's pillows and stuff. and she just kind of turned and said,

Jody, have you considered palliative care? Oh, and Jody, and my jaw dropped, and Jody's jaw dropped, because she was in for sepsis. Yeah. And she said, am I dying? And I immediately jumped in and said,

no, no, no, Jody, you're going with the, the term palliative is much more wide. It's wider. It means pain management. And I don't know if that's what the young woman meant, and I'm not. It's possible she meant that, but they're also not,

No, EQ testing for these jobs, right? No. Like, you know, they're like, are you competent? Are you clinically competent? But there's no personality test. She was in tears for up until when I had to leave, go back to my hotel. So there's those little things that stick out in my mind because I knew she was probably going on. Well, I'd snuck her out three hours earlier.

I'd snuck her out for smoke. That a boy. Because they had a little terrace on the floor, and she was bitching at me and bitching at me. Did you ever have that terminal lucidity moment? No. About a week before she passed, her best friend was in the room, and she called me. She said, someone wants to talk to you. And by then, Jody was out of it.

Yeah. All of a sudden, Joe, hi. Jody? Hi, yeah. Oh, what can I get you? Yeah, yeah. And she made me, well, I need some fucking glasses because she'd been. bugging me to go to shoppers to get by her cheaters.

And this lucidity. And then the next day, she never spoke a word. Until she passed. Weird. Anyway. Any more jokes? I'm just,

but I'm bum, I mean, what you both have been through, it's horrific and just thinking now, but you're talking about the system. The system is broken. And what I think about, of course,

because I'm so selfish, I'm thinking of myself, but I'm thinking about, It was whatever it was, February, 2023, when I had a headache for four days. Oh, yeah, yeah. And then my family doctor said, I'm worried it's a brain bleed. I'm going to send, I'm going to fax over a wreck form to the emergency. I want you to go straight there.

And that ER doc looked at me and said, it's just a migraine, but to satisfy your doctor's request, we'll do a cat scan. Like, I was an emergency. And he said it's just a migraine. Like he basically said those exact words to me. And then like an hour later, he's humbly apologizing in a room. that he was very, very wrong. You have a blood clot on your brain. So I can totally see in an alternate universe where that my doctor, you know,

doesn't fax in a wreck form. And the doctors send me home. I don't know with Advil and the painkiller or something, your migraine will pass. And then what happens? Can we just stop for a second? I've got to take a leak. Oh my God.

I'll just talk to Supria. Yeah. No, we'll do this. Yeah. I mean, we can, if we want to do. Sorry. I don't want to do a good piece. How do we fix this?

I guess I'm one. wondering how many people are being sent home? A lot. So, I mean, look, a lot. And I don't think we have good numbers on it. And I don't think we have a system in which you can ever really get true justice for medical wrongs in this country just because of the way the system is set up. And look, I'm not, I don't think we need to go to an overly litigious system the way the U.S., you know, that's not the only comparator. But I mean, right now, patients don't really have any recourse. And I mean, it's, like, again, we talk about Anup. I mean, but before Anup, there was his brother.

I don't know if I've ever said this story. No, sure. Oh, okay. This is real, again, real humor. So Anup's brother died in 2021. There's one person that died in Ontario of the AstraZeneca vaccine, and it was Anup's brother. He was 41 years old.

He, you know, at the time, if you remember the messaging, It was very much, if you're a Gen Xer. I'm one of the people who thought the AZ. Exactly. Roll up your sleeve and do it. It's the patriotic thing to do because. The greater good step in, Gen X. Exactly.

Because it wasn't, you know, recommended for, I guess, millennials and younger. We had to get the MRI vaccine. So, you know, Vic as well as my sister-in-law, like his wife, Divya, both got the vaccine. Neither them felt great after it. but Vic had a very persistent headache. And, you know, after a few days of the persistence of the headache, he presented to the ER at Sinai. They did a bunch of blood work.

Based on the blood work, they should not have sent him home. If you had followed the proper decision tree that was the clinical decision tree at the time, they should have kept him and treated him for VIT. But the patient profile at the time was that of a boomer woman, not of a fit 41-year-old man. So they sent him home. And then a few days later, he seized, was taken a hospital and was basically brain dead on arrival. And then he was pulled from, you know, life support about six days after he had initially presented to emerge.

And again, like, you know, 2021, doctors and nurses and the entire health care system, was overworked. I don't think it's the fault of any one, you know, physician that was doing, I don't think there's any nefarious motives or whatever involved. I think the entirety of the system failed him. But you're saying in the flow chart or whatever, in that situation, he should have got like, what, a cat scan? No, in that situation, when it happened, they probably should have immediately started treating him and done, well, first started giving him more of a blood workup. So what they had done was called a CBC, like a full blood count essentially. And basically, and based on that, there were markers which had indicated for VIT to require further testing.

And I remember speaking to a hematologist at the time because, you know, it was COVID. And like I had made, you know, being on air during COVID, you make a lot of doctor friends in interviewing them and whatever. And she was on the science table. And her and another doctor, Dr. Morris, were very much advocating for the system to shift away from AZ to MRNA. And again, if you recall at the news cycle at the time, one of the doctors who is like basically in charge of Nassie

had said on air that she, if she, given the choice, she would not give her sister the AstraZeneca vaccine. And it was this huge thing. And everybody was like, oh, she's increasing vaccine hesitancy. Like blah, blah, like whatever. And it just so happened that week. I was on power and politics. And I was like, guys, she's not increasing vaccine hesitancy.

unbeknownst to me, my brother-in-law was bleeding at the time in his brain, but not knowing this, I said, I was like, and I'm paraphrasing, but it was, you know, Nassie and Health Canada have very different functions. Health Canada looks at whether or not a vaccine is safe, but Nassie looks at the complement of vaccines, and it recommends based on that complement what we should be doing. So I was like, we should probably listen. And then, you know, Vic seized and died.

And I, yeah, I was very much. much advocating at the time publicly for them to switch off of the AZ vaccine and onto the MRNA. That was my first shot, was the AZ. Yeah, I remember. Yeah. And then I got Mordana for some reason. They gave me the, yeah.

Well, I think they'd already backed off on. Well, Ontario had pulled it very shortly after Vick was in hospital. A lot of us got the one, but didn't get out. Yeah. Yeah. And then Alberta followed sued. And then I think, you know, more provinces started to follow. But, I mean, I wasn't quiet at the time.

When I, you're sitting in the waiting room in the ICU, I basically, I basically, carp and bomb people with emails anybody in a position of power that i knew at the time i was like get us the fuck off of astrozenica sorry again for swearing this is not uh am 640 swear away swear away but uh i mean i'm asking stafford how he's holding up but you've seen some shit oh yeah like how are you holding out so this here is uh serotonin it's the organic structure of serotonin and i do this it's my serotonin tap i go Stop that tattoo. She's tapping a tattoo.

Assuage Aaron's fears of how I was doing. See the track marks on this woman's arm. Holy fuck. It looks like Union Station. What are the odds that you two people paired up at 640 would, in such a short period of time, experience? Experience. Actually, you asked, I'm the gambler. I'm the Vegas guy.

Great. The one sponsor I don't have is a gambling sponsor. I got to get one here. But I, let me do this now. And we have a lot of ground here still to cover. Sorry, I didn't mean to go tangentially off of how terrible the Canadian health cares is. Well, obviously, you've never listened to Toronto Mike because those tangents are where the gold is found. Okay, please, tangent away, please, please, please.

But how do we feel about cannabis in this room? Eh. I was actually quite pleased when I think it was when I watched Kelly's from a couple of weeks ago that you have added a sponsor who I use on a regular basis. It's funny, in October, we worked together in October, was it 2018? It was, no, it was 2016, right? That was legalized? Yeah, it was 2018.

October 2018. And I was pregnant. So I had to pretend like I was partaking in the legalization. day, and I lied about it? She'd come to work and fall out of her car like Spacoli. It's clouds of shit in the chorus garage. Yeah, I'm saying, you got a baby, girl, what are you doing? And she gave me some jive stuff.

Oh, is there a gift? Do you want to do a gift exchange now? I have gifts for you guys as well. Anyway, kindling. Yeah, shopkinling. combing. The one at Eglinton and Laird is my guy. Okay.

And every once in a while, if I'm too high when I order, I accidentally order a pickup. And I have to phone them and say, can you please deliver this? I don't have a car. That's free delivery. So, Priya, I got this last night knowing I'd see you today from kindling. Joy Yaints, they're called, I think. Oh, thank you, thank you. Wacky tobacco, cigarette.

Yeah, so there you go. Okay, well, you know. I love the kindling. I just wanted to say. Bless you for saying that. You get it in your possession. If you order it between 9 a.m. and 11 p.m., it'll be in your hands in under an hour,

and that is free delivery. And you can track it like an Uber. And it's just great when you're high. No, shout out. Thank you to shopkindling.ca for your support. And for you, Mike Stafford, for supporting a sponsor. So shopkindling.com. Let me do the gifts real quick, because it might get heavy again.

But another new sponsor is RetroFestive. and Ty the Christmas guy sent over moose mugs for you too. So in front of you is a Clark Griswold official moose mug from National Lampoon's Christmas vacation. I'm going to have to watch this movie now. You're going to have to drink some great legs beer out of that. Oh, my guy who's never seen this movie. Is that right?

Yep. Oh, have you seen it, Supriya? I mean, I haven't either, but I don't see a lot because my parents... The movie's not a sponsor. Okay, my parents were Indian immigrants. Yeah, there's no dancing and then evil brother-in-law. Yeah. But Papa, I love him.

Elaine Bennis is in that film. Yeah. He'll spy a lot of great moments in that film. So if you go to retrofestive.ca and you use the promo code FOTM, that stands for a friend of Toronto Miked. I'm here with a couple of great FOTMs. If you use that promo code, you save 10%. And this is big, and I hope you both take a note on this one.

The 21st Toronto Miked listener experience, I call it TMLX21, is taking place the last Saturday of November, which. is November 29 at noon at Palma's Kitchen in Mississauga and we're taking over the second floor for a live recording and everybody who comes out is invited to pop on the mic and say hi but also you can eat for free from Palma pasta I have a lasagna for you each of you a frozen lasagna from palma pasta I know you love that and I also will bring fresh craft beer to Palma's kitchen so you can have a beer and the aforementioned tie the Christmas guy will bring a gift for everybody. I understand the gift

will be related to the movie A Christmas Story. Have you guys seen a Christmas story? That I've seen. It used to be on repeat on TBS. Remember? Or peach tree when they changed it. Difficult to miss a Christmas story. A lot of it filmed here too. Some in Cleveland and some here, I believe. But yeah, so

that's all happening. TMLX21 November 29th. If either of you or both of you showed up but I'd have to shut the whole thing down. Here's Mike Stafford and Supreative Eddie. That's like Mavis Road area, right? It's like, yeah, Mavis and like Burnhamthorpe. Yeah, been there, very nice. What's the date again?

It's the last Saturday of November, which is November 29 at noon. And I should point out, there's no ticket required. You don't RSVP. You don't buy a ticket. You just show up. And then you eat and you drink

and you get a gift and you can pop on the mic or not. You can say hi. You know, what more do you want? Oh, thank God, no scalloping. I can't see Oasis. I can't see. Oh, shut up.

Stick it in your bucket hat. Eat Oasis. I miss these hot takes. Oh, yeah. So much money going to that. concert? What did you spend? Can you give me an idea?

Because I've yet to spend more than $150 on a concert ticket. No, I can't say it. It's too embarrassing. I can't. But what I will say, the reason why I thought it was okay to spend like a ridiculous amount of money

and I'm like you. Like I don't usually spend a lot of money on tickets. Is that the summer of 2001, I think it was, it would have been? Yeah, summer 2001, my then boyfriend

at the time, Anoop. We got into a huge fight, and he made me a CD because we used to do that back then, kids, where the whole thing, it was like, you know, 12 or 14 tracks, however much you could put on a CD at the time, of just don't look back in anger over and over and over again. And so. Was your nickname, Sally? Did he call you? No.

Mix CDs? Not in my day. We did mix vinyl. We'd have to go out. We'd have to refine the oil. make the disc. What was it? What was the in-between thing?

Beta Max? No, A-Track. A-track. But the first time you could make, yeah, is cassette tape. It's the first time you can make a mixtape. And that was my childhood, was just making mixtapes. Of course. I actually have a cassette player back here.

I got to find out. I'm curious now to see those wankers. Because I spent 8.50 to see Celine at Caesar's Palace. And I thought that was embarrassing. I would have done that. Yeah. But I'm from, you know, she's our people. But did you, like me, yell out.

I love you, Selina. She went, oh, my God. She looked out at me and stared at me. Just you. And went, like, she'd never heard it before. I know. No, eight, you spent more than $8.50? Jesus.

I'm going to be like Jerry in the suede jacket. Keep going. Yeah. Only you can't turn Liam Gallagher inside out. You can try. Yeah, that was too rich for my blood. But I got to get an update on that chorus lawsuit because I recently had Lorne Honnickman back in the basement

and it always goes up. By the way, before we get the update in the chorus lawsuit, what do you think about this? Lauren Honickman thinks that his very, it was only public because I talked about it, I think. But the fact that he reached out to you, Mike Stafford, after one of your appearances here on Toronto, Mike, to tell you that he could get you a lawyer on contingency

because the time, I guess you have a two-year period by which Yeah. What's the name of the thing you did? Works on contingency. Works. No money down. No money down. Right.

Right. Oh, I missed the Simpsons trivia on the drive home on 640 back in the day here. Well, I'll go tell Ben Dixon that tomorrow. We'll get to the radio stuff. But obviously, Lauren thinks that he stopped getting called to do fill-in work at 640 at that time. He's tied these events together. What would you say to Lauren Honnickman, who is definitely listening right now? Okay.

You know what, Lauren, I'm just guessing here. I would say no, but given the behavior of that cock-sucking corporation, can I say that? You just did? I would not be surprised. I would not be surprised because they were picking and choosing who would, you know, whatever their mood was that day in corporate or the people team or whatever they call themselves. So I wouldn't be surprised if Lauren did get shut out of shifts. They got on a shit list or whatever because he didn't. Yeah, we're not going to work with him anymore.

What is the current status of this suit? I have no clue other than I'm still waiting for the next discovery phase. Do you know when that is? No. He told Jody and I spoke to him because Jody was calling him every fucking week. Because she kept expecting like this should be easy. This should be easy. Oh, your lawyer.

Yeah. Yeah. And my lawyer told us he said that one, there's a huge backlog in the courts still from COVID. And two, he said, I've never seen a company fight as an employment lawyer, fight the way they seem to be fighting you on this. So we just wait for this next step, but we don't know when that will be. I have no idea. My last name doesn't rhyme with Derringer, so shit's not getting done.

That's all I'll say on that. Are you following at all the Human Rights Tribunal that Jennifer Valentine has against court? Absolutely. You? I mean not if I'm being honest no oh I mean I'm not I'm not actively seeking yeah but like that if you're not on the Zoom apparently you can there's a Zoom you could oh I'm not that no but you're reading whatever the CBC or no with the yellow board posts yeah well that kind of thing right they get all their stuff I think from CBC but what are what like you guys worked in the same building as John

Derringer like so I'm I'm avoiding that's I expect at some point I might be called so I just haven't I've been purposefully not paying attention and tuning out in case I don't you be on a list yet like wouldn't isn't there a list because I know Maureen Holloway for example she's on a list there are I was on some sort of list that's been postponed so I just want to you know not talk about it yeah

well we can move we can totally not I got no list and I got really no opinion you want a list Mike Stafford other than I saw this happen at the end and again and I was there a lot longer than Supria but what did you see happen women crying that usually tells me something just saying

yeah um you know whispers and shit like that no personal issue with john we got along great at the urinal because that's the only time i ever socialized with them do you socialize at urinals is that what men do oh yeah women get all the you girlfriends you should get a house and hang in and say ah it's going all right bud how you're doing yeah oh no you

this where the dicks hang out that kind of stuff but like dick out you're talking to one another Okay, all right, sure, whatever. Now, eyes forward, Sunshine. Come on. Yeah, all right, all right. Well, no, the joke is you'll, you know, you wouldn't take a look, but you'd say, I didn't know you had such a massive hog, buddy.

Like, you know, you know, shout out the girth. I don't hang on, I don't hang on Church Street. I was looking for the response there. So you would see women. So we're talking about, like, women who are part of the morning show. Because you were there a long time because, you know, I saw it with Andrea, I saw it with Maureen, I saw it with Jen. I know Supriacan, again, I didn't pay that much attention, but I knew shit was going down.

The thing is, with our business, and I don't think it's changed, I think it's even worse now. It's everybody for themselves. So you kind of focus on what the shit, you know, you're dealing with, and believe, believe me, there was always shit going down at 640. I didn't have the time of day to worry that much about what was going on a queue. never mind CF and why they had their own crap going on with their dysfunctional morning Dean man so

anyway I uh that's all I gotta say about so you're nothing is surprising I wish your luck I wish your luck I think it's February when they we pick that up I think well this is going on longer than the Mississauga trained to Roman inquiry

yeah I think it's February is I think that's the I think Maureen Holloway said that it's coming back in February is what I heard but all right Supreme knows the law, so if we, you know, she knows enough to when to be, when to be quiet. A lot talking guy. Phil Hartman, I just watched, not too recently, but fairly recently, I watched

peewee as himself. Did anyone here catch the documentary from Paul Rubens? Okay, so two things strike me there. One is that it's a great, I found it to be a wonderful documentary. I don't know what your thoughts are on peewee as himself. Yeah, I thought it was a very good documentary. I know what you're getting at is the Hartman dynamic. Yes. I find it interesting because of how close they were in giving birth to Pee Wee's Playhouse, etc. But that basically once Phil goes to S&L, Saturday Night Live, they don't talk again.

Like that's it for that. Relationship's done. I couldn't figure out, you know, who the bad guy was in that either. Was it pee-wee pissed that Phil got that gig? I felt like that might be more it, but I don't know, obviously, more than what Paul Rubin shared. But I feel like that was it. Paul was sort of, you know, that Phil left. the peewee well that's also face

Phil did not get caught in a Florida theater watching a mattress actress and having a wank that is true that is true Phil did not do that but Phil left before that right like Phil's off to SNL before the theater incident I think Phil got in in 88 and I think the theater thing happened but 9091 yeah something like that yeah I think Peewee was having problems

because his uh big adventure too was a big top issue disaster, big top. Yeah, it's terrible. Disaster. Because he directed it himself. Because Tim Burden directed his first... Yeah, and you can tell, because it's freaking delightful.

Yeah, absolutely. Night and day, those two films, night and day. But I recommend for Peewee as himself, and I only thought of it because... I'm freezing. Yeah, like, look at cold. Okay, I can turn up the heat. I think it's good at the basement. It's fine.

The heat rises, you know. I learned that in a grade 10 science there. So I can totally turn up the heat. But I'm wondering if you two wouldn't mind revisiting, because how much you both love 640. So the timelines, and I know when you and I talked with these timelines, you were kind of not confused, but...

No, I was confused. I forgot. Like, I was pregnant and then I... Yeah, staff broke his neck. And I like, because what I forget is that I was on Matt leave for, you know, a chunk of it. And then I came back for a bed and then you got very hurt.

And that's what I think my... So you... My chronology was off. Yeah. So I decided I had to do a little digging here. I went to a great resource called Torontomike.com. I'm like, what happened when? Supriya, you quit in, I think,

December 2020. Yeah, December 2020. Like, maybe December 1st. I don't know. That's when I hit the public anyway. You, Mike Stafford, were fired in June 2021. Well, let's back up. I came back December 7th about a week after you'd left.

Right. I came back full-time December. Well, you popped in to say goodbye to me on the phone. On the phone, yeah. Okay. So what is it like coming back to 640? The week after your co-host, Supriya DeVetti, has, has left and was very public before I should have.

It was completely weird. It was completely weird. Nobody knew what to do. The place was a mess. It was just a, you know, who works here, who doesn't work here, who works from home, who doesn't? Who am I working with today? Who am I working with tomorrow? I was just happy to be back to work.

I mean, I missed obviously Supreme. I was pissed at what had happened. But we have a great genuine affection for each other. I think that it's sometimes doesn't always permeate to the 640 listeners. I used to find it funny when people assumed that like I would get messages, you know, random people would message me and be like, you got him fired.

I was like, bitch, I already left, first of all. Second of all, like, what are you talking about? Like, I love him. Well, that's a good point, though, because the Piesler was the final straw. Is that fair to say in the team's chat? Yeah. Oh, no,

no, absolutely. Completely. Although, to me, the stupid apoo slur was just stupid and the other thing and I said this when I was on with him I don't know if you heard

my thing was like let's talk about it let's have it let's do it I'm walking Indian like what are we talking about here they dropped so much asbestos on that fire yeah and it was Adrian Batra said to me we were having a smoke

member she used to tape with us and she said you're so goddamn lucky this happened in July yeah otherwise Because Canada land was, they wouldn't drop it. They wouldn't give it up. But then it just did burn out. You know, Adrian's how I found out.

Any of that had happened to begin with because nobody told me. I think I said that too. Like it was just. The P-word thing was every day Ford would hold the news conference. That morning, June the 2nd, 2021, I had done an interview with somebody in Oxford. they had just started with the renaming of the variance, taking away the geographical locations of them. That afternoon, there's our friend Doug Ford.

And we were all on teams at the time. We'd always kind of like play together watching. Was it teams or was it Trello? Remember Trello? No, it was teams. You got a post in Trello. Trello. Oh, God.

Check Trello. Check Trello. And they would, we'd always be having fun about, they'd be making fun of Doug Ford's weight, how much he's sweating today, whatever, whatever, whatever. They're news people, you know, and it's a bullshit time for everybody. But anyway, he starts in about the Indian variant, the Indian variant, the Indian variant, the Indian variant. And I'm sitting there, and I'm watching this with Jody, I'm saying, he fucking, I just did this interview.

And you can just tell if this is total, this is 1975 Brampton Doug. Right. Oh, yeah, the Indian variant. Oh, yeah, the Curry variant, you know, the, aloof. variant you know chicken dicka masala so that i went on to you know everyone's making jokes about doug and i thought you know i did the joke the five bucks he's going to mention the the p word yeah and whatever signed off teams phone call jeff story my boss like take that down i know what you meant I knew what you were trying to mean.

Take that down. Okay. He said I knew what you were trying to mean? Completely. Completely. I knew what you were trying to joke. I knew it was a joke what you were trying to say. So I took it down, but I knew immediately, I'm dead.

I am fucking dead. Six, five o'clock, 5.30, whatever. He calls a gain, only he's got HR on the line, the people team. You are suspended with pay. We're going to have an investment. There's been a complaint about a slur, racist slur that you wrote, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. They did an interview with me on the Friday. This happened on the Wednesday.

On the Friday, they didn't interview with me. At the end of it, the HR woman said to me, all right, I just want to let you know, Mike, that your job is in serious jeopardy. There's a strong reality that you're not going to be with chorus entertainment. My suspension was going to expire the next Wednesday. Phone call at 9 in the morning. Jeff was on the line, HR. Fired for cause. And I told them I was trying to make a stupid joke.

They kept pushing the fact. Did you know who was on that team's chat? Did you know, yeah, I know Jason Chapman was. He hated my guts. Whatever. Correct. Sheba. Okay, here's what I will say.

She is also Pakistani. What do you want her to say? Oh, completely. Did you guys ever overlap? We had never met. I had never shook in her hand or shook her hand. Yeah, shook, shook, shaken?

I don't know. Shook. Shaken. But yes, I did not know at the time. In no connection. So, yeah, but if you have no connection to you, because if I didn't know you,

I'd be like, you're a fucking dick. That's part of the problem. Is that you're lovable. And once you do know you, you do know that you're trying to make a dead job. That is part of the problem, staff, because you're a funny guy, you're a very funny guy.

And you've got this, if you know Mike's staff, sense of humor. I always felt, I always felt like you maybe forgot that the, the average person who was going to see it isn't as smart as you guys. Like, like, it's a smart joke. I think it's a clever smart joke. But I don't even think it's a smart thing. I think you have to know, you, it's like you got to know him to know that there's no malice because, and again, not to typecast, but if you're a talk radio guy, your, your colleagues don't give your kind the best reputation, right? And so, like, all.

Almost, and this is what I would say to people constantly, is that half of what staff used to do was kind of like a, you know, an original Colbert report-esque of like you're holding up a mirror to the absurdity that is the dashboard-bounding radio. Like, you know what I mean? And I'd be like, but no, no, like I get, like, what are you talking about? And it was one of the first times that we had, they just paired us because like, I think Guerns was sick or something, right? and you had like come in for a couple of shows or something like that. Our first show you and I worked together was the Vegas shoot. The Vegas shooting. It was a great morning.

I remember that. Well, what's our next topic, Supriya? How, what were the odds of last night's Vegas shooting? It was like, oh my God. This is what I mean about the jokes. Right. So I, again, and I will say this. It's like, you know,

And I'm not going to re-say her name because I don't want people to then attack this, this woman on Twitter. Yeah, yeah. The staff heads don't need to get their knives out. No, because I have deep affection and respect for her. Right. Is that she didn't know you. So again, if you don't know you, fine. Yeah.

Chapman did know you. Oh, no. So it's like that's the difference, I think. Like, um, no, he, he, anyway, I'll let you continue. Well, I'm just going to say, that, that was something that he wanted to happen with the first transgression. Yeah. Can I ask a dumb question about the P word? If you put like an asterisk in there instead of spelling out the name, does that change?

Do you think, does that change? I think, I mean, it shouldn't. No, I mean, take out 1G, it becomes a river. Yeah. But I do think there is probably, I bet you in like corporate HR speak, there probably would have perhaps been a nuance there that they would have accepted. There were 100 other jokes I could have done that day. That was the one. They wanted rid of me anyway. They got the salary savings because I hear they're hurting a bit right now. Yeah, I did read something about that actually. But it is good that it still exists, right? Because if the

company ceased to exist in some form, then they don't have to pay you a penny. But the fact that there actually still is a core. But they're reorganizing. Like the fact is, at least this suit that you don't know when it's going to end. But legally, what will happen when the current sheriff holders, or however they're going to work this out, are going to become the debt holders. I have no idea. Well, as long as they don't pay you in stock, you might be okay. But who knows when, Ben, you just have to outlive this thing. Well, I just know, you know, other good people, you know, went through the same shit.

I did like Troy Reeb, John Derringer, wait, stop, stop. But, yeah, we- I'm just laughing and is paying you out in stock. It's like Kramer with the pennies. By hanging the cows on. Todd Gack. But back to the P-word, just for a moment, I'm always, you know, I do a lot of these conversations. Like, just like when I had Reschmi Nair here the other day, I was thinking of my conversations.

Like, I get these flashbacks of these moments. You know, Rashmi and I've ever met, eh? Well, I know. Because your afternoon drive on one station, then morning on the other, I could see that totally happening. But you would love each other. Because you're both bright, fun people. So we're both brown. Is that it?

Nope. Wasn't even thinking that. But I wasn't even thinking of that. What I'm thinking of is Wendy Mesley, okay? And it's funny, because we talked about Maureen Holloway earlier, and they have this substack called Women of Ill-Repute. Okay. So, but Wendy Mesley, who by most accounts was a well-regarded journalist on CBC for decades,

people will talk about her using an N-word in an internal meeting. So she, in the context was so similar to Stafford story, I think in a way that, like Stafford used a piece slur as pretending that ignorant Doug Ford was using that term. But knowing it's inappropriate, but that was part of the joke, which is too cool for school, if you will. But Wendy Messley, in her internal show meeting, said the N-word, but she didn't say the N-word. She said the N-word, where I feel like if she had just said what I just said,

the N-word, it wouldn't have become grounds to remove her from the program. Yeah, but I mean, I think, and Stafford was kind of diplomatically alluding to this a little bit, but I think if there are forces within an organization, that already think you perhaps should step aside or it's your, you know what I mean? So you basically made their... Yeah, I'm sorry for interrupting you,

but they make your... Stafford made their job easier. Oh, no, and I knew that's my genetic makeup. So they were just waiting for you to slip up. My genetic, yeah. He's going to fuck up. I thought it was Irish. What the fuck?

Stupid 23 and me. How much that cost me? Yeah. I told you that was a scam from the jump. And now, by the way, some debt collector owns your DNA. Yes, absolutely. If you have a family member who's a serial killer,

they're going to figure it out now. That's where the fun is going to be with this stuff now, this genetic forensic stuff. But what are we talking about? You mentioned Wendy Mesley. I've read here and there, there's a lot of internal crap going on with the CBC, as you pointed out.

But I think there was also a sense that Wendy might have had, and I'm speaking, I've met Wendy a couple of times, is that she felt she had the gravitas and the years and the experience that she could say that in a meeting and people would accept it. Yeah, in the context, of course, is that the name of something. Completely, yeah. So it's not like, yeah, she wasn't using it. Well, it's in a Lenin song.

It's a great Quebec Csua book. It is, yeah. I mean, Howard Stern used to say it. I know back in the 80s, yeah. I watched Pulp Fiction the other night. Yeah, Tarantino said it. It's like you got. to know your audience you got to know you know what I mean and I think the other thing is

again like if if there aren't these forces within an organization yeah that like I got to be honest like I can get away with a lot I'm a lovable scamp you know what I mean so I like and I but it's like you got to know your limits and you got to know your audience and you got to know Chappelle can get away with the word Kramer can't well That's for sure. So there, you know. But, okay, so I know you said a name, but I'm not going to say the name. Okay, so that's...

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I'm fine. I just opened this one. Your Canuck Pale Ale there, because these guys are... I mean, can you tell that neither of us drove here? But if there's some... Yeah, enjoy. Enjoy. Enjoy yourselves. Okay. But if somebody has it out for Mike Stafford and then Mike, and then we're talking like, you know, here. And Mike gives them the, the year, here it is on a platter. All I'm saying is if I was still there, I don't think the way things would have played out are the same set of events. Well, that's interesting. Obviously, you cannot prove this counterfactual with any certainty, right? It's a completely hypothetical. I'm just saying I don't. Supreme Court works now.

Like, I don't. I mean, I mean, it's always sort of worked that way. Do you want to get into this ruling? No, stop it. I'm Brian Lilly. No, please no. Like, it's like, anyway. Okay, can someone explain one story to me?

Yeah. Because I've been getting dumber and dumber for the past four years, being off radio. And I've tried to keep away. Rest in peace, Jody. My Fox News life is over because she was a huge consumer of that shit. She was. It was amazing. We used to have the best conversations about it. Oh, and you were so right about it, it put her in a bad mood. It did. It put her in a bad mood.

But this one story, can someone explain it to me? Why am I supposed to give a flying, ironically, fuck about dead ostriches? Yeah. Why? I mean, I have actually stayed so far away from that story other than. Well, you've been ingratiating yourself with the most of the most of the most of the most of, moody government is always as always.

As always. The best part is that there are people right now in the prime minister's office that are not pleased with me by pointing out. And it's just so funny because I, exactly, that's how I've always been with the multi government.

So yeah. I don't know. The ostrich thing. But bird flu is bad. We know this, right? H5N1? Yeah. Not good. No.

Kill it. We don't want it. So I don't know. Why is Ezra Levant and Joe Warmington and RFK Jr. and like a doctor Oz because now he's in the mix some reason. Oz is in the ostrich mix? You know, they say it has less fat, but you eat more of it. Oh, man. Okay.

So there's no answer to why should I care? No, but do you have an answer? Are you steeped in this? I'm barely following it. I'm getting a sense. It's a rebel news continuation of the Ottawa. Let us be free men of the land. I guess, yeah.

Don't touch your ostrichs. My whole thing is that if you have, if you have, you know, whether it's livestock or, in this case, ostriches, whatever. But if they were beavers or loons or bears or something, ostriches, that's hardly even a Canadian.

Oh, that's good. You're like, Hold on, Sherry. I can get it. You're like, you're not, it's not even a moose or a beaver or something that represents us. You people. We need to protect old stock animals. Sure way.

I get what you're saying. It was a Canada goose, for example. Exactly. It's Canada in the name of the goose. I say, I don't think anyone would cry about a Canada goose thing. But anyway. Tendents on tangents. I do enjoy witnessing you to, you have a good.

good rapport and I feel like this would make a good radio show. Well, we had one once, I think. We did. We did. You know what it worked really well? We, of course, we had incredible Heather. She had her own loss too with Gracie, which was very sad because I know that was her baby. Yeah.

Shaggy Dave. I think he's the last one there. I'd lunch with Patrick. Oh, nice. How's he? He's great. I thought he still worked there because it's still on the freaking website. He's on?

No, he was let go the same day. You know, Kelly's on that website. Yeah, the same day Kelly was, yeah, Kelly is still. That website is an on-air person. Yeah, someone was complaining about that on the yellow board. But, yeah, he was like, oh, the same day as Kelly and Tina, when they basically blew out another nine people. But, you know, I don't know who's their lineup now?

Well, I mean, Ben Maroonie's there. Right? So it's Greg Brady, for sure. Yep. An Oasis fan, I hear. Yeah, that's right. He took the day off, I think, to go to that concert. You got Ben Marrooney.

You still got Alex Pearson, and you got, what's his face? It was the afternoon drive. He's been there forever. Oakley. Yeah, of course. And Oakley took over for Humble and Fred back in 2000. Whenever Humble and Fred could go to Mix 99.9. Yeah.

Well, yeah. And you're there, right? Because of your, not, not, but you're a great broadcaster, but I'm sure it wasn't, didn't work against you that your good friend, Fred Patterson, was in the building. Mm-hmm. Yeah. That worked in your favor.

Okay, we're going back. So I'm curious what Supri is up to these days. Like, what can you share with us about what's occupying your professional time these day, Supriah? I write for the Toronto Star. I write for the National Observer. I'm on power and politics. I do a weekly hit with Real Talk with Ryan Jusperson. You know, I stopped using Real Talk because he put it in the title of his show and then I felt like it was his now. But I used to use, you might remember this as a listener. I'm like Real Talk, because Strombo came over in the early days and we were talking about Martin's streak passing and then it got very emotional

and he said, he said, that's real talk or something like that. And then I picked up that to use it. So for Toronto Mike, hashtag real talk for a long time. And then this show, Ryan, but you know it's like a common thing. No, I know. But it felt like this. I know. I know. I know. It's like I didn't own real talk. And it's not even complaint. It's like when they reformat a show just by adding an exclamation

mark. And no, not meant to be a complaint at all. I didn't own it. It wasn't mine. It was there before me. But I did stop using it. Consciously stopped using real talk because I felt like another podcast was using it more prominently. And then I didn't think, I said, well, that

person has it now. He is. He's really good. Where's he based? Edmonton. Edmonton. He was the one fired because he was apparently against Daniel Smith. It was just allegedly Jason Kenny, but yes. Oh, it's Kenny. They look so much alike. I know. It's true. So you do a weekly. He doesn't see gender. That's how woke he is now. It's good to see you laughing. Like, you know, I'm a big staff here. Tears of a clown, brother. Tears of a clown. I mean, you've been through such shit the last few years and here you are laughing enjoying a beer having a great chat with your you know it was a great lovely uh tribute from uh kelly cotrera uh that you sent me on instagram as well um she said you know one of the reasons i want to go to six 40 was mike

in the way he used to work with ryan and patrick and the relationship had with this is my favorite time my absolute that's why i said to you i think my first visit there's no way in hell I'm going to work a morning show. And then two years later. You did tell me that. But, you know, they came to me. I think we can be honest about this. Can we?

Sure. As best we can. I don't know. No. They came to me and said, I'm going to do one of these. Okay. Okay.

No, no, I'm just adjusting my head. She's braiding her hair. She's getting very comfortable. They came to me and said, look, you know, we want to mix it up a bit. We think you and Supriya, have a good sound together, you know, because I was kind of like, I guess they said to me that she and madder may be too close in age. So it's like, you know, turned to Methuselah here.

And all of a sudden, I'll have the young Indian girl doing the Bollywood dance. What the hell? But I think what really, because to be fair, I think we were originally sort of paired because like, Gerns is either off or sick or whatever, but there are a couple of shows that he wasn't going to be around for. and I suggested, I was like, you know, staff and I always have, like, pretty good chats when we do the switcheroo when you were going to come in for nine. And I remember at the time, it was Nathan Smith, and he was like, oh, yeah, okay. Yeah.

But it was like, he was surprised even that we got along so well. Because he didn't know the first time we met, I gave you a pot cookie. You did. And you said to me, do you believe in hugs? Yeah. Some bullshit HR kind of like. You need consent. I need consent beforehand.

Sign here. May I put my appendages around your torso. That's how, you know, we... HR be damned. Oh, there. We're dead now. Well, what can they do now, really? Oh, shame.

Shame. Tarty, they'll call us. Yeah, exactly. True. But, Mike, when they made you the offer to team up with Supriya doing the morning show, I have to assume, what can you tell us about the increase in compensation? I asked the same.

But how can that be you? I asked the same question. But no, I mean, I'm never bitter. You know I've never worked in radio, but I've been led to believe all the monies in mornings. It is, and it should be. Yep. And in my case, it wasn't because they had taken really good care of me.

Because just after Mojo got started and then sort of died, they stole Humble and Fred. Yeah, it makes 99.9. And they brought Oakley in, and they were terrified. because I was doing very well in the afternoons. So they came to me with my first ever contract, you know, 30 years in the business. So I had been doing very well up until I started doing morning.

So when they said to me, there's really no extra money, okay, fine, I'm good. So is it possible that in addition to the enticing wonder that would be co-hosting with Supriah, but like you can check this off your list. Okay, radio veteran Mike Stafford, I mean, you were doing news on Pete and Gates, et cetera, but now I'm going to host.

and morning show, like checkmark. Like that's sort of a lot of radio guys are like that is the goal. Absolutely. And to make up quite honestly for this is the part I miss so much about the job. And I know you guys on the big yellow radio board, you know, Bill the Shill, Stafford's a whore. I miss the endorsements. Yeah. Oh my God.

You know why? Because it's my pillow. My pillow. You know this poor woman sitting next to me. 307 days a year she traveled even when she was working and the number of lost

luggage but she always had that fucking my pillow and we heard about it every goddamn morning and why did we? Because it paid amazing, didn't it? It paid off my law school debt. Okay, well, I have a note. I'm looking at it now here that I'm supposed to ask you what compensation did you receive for the my pillow endorsements. Like this is a question. question that came in. $322,000.

They held the check for 15 days because it was on a U.S. But you paid your tuition? It was good money. It was good money. But it has to be good money because you all look ridiculous doing it. Of course we do. And like look, but in fairness

to all of us, my pillow guy wasn't who he was then as he is now, right? He's a fascist. Would that make a difference? Well, yes, it went for me. Would it make a difference for staff? Come see, come, like the Spanish say.

What is the joke I heard about something? If, what is it? If, I can't remember now, but if ISIS started a comedy club or whatever, like, like, you mean to be like, Al-Qaeda was just at the White House, so it's not that far off. We just saw all these comics go to Saudi Arabia or whatever. Like, it just seems like this is an era. It seems like we're living in an era of, like, money-trumping, pun intended, trumping ethics and morals.

Have you listened to popular music? It ain't about love anymore. It's not about love anymore. Man, mic drop. Do you have my pillows? Like, I don't, I mean, Jody had a my pillow. And actually, to be, to be fair,

it was the one you gave me. Yeah. When you hang, I sort of got, I wouldn't say you handed me your account, you kind of threw it at me. Like, what? Including a pillow. And it was not a bad,

Was it worth $100 bucks? God, no. But it wasn't a bad pillow. Did you, Supria, use my pillow? Yeah, at the time I did. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay.

The travel pillow was the best. I just wondered if you eat your own dog food because, I mean, I mean, you get it. So yeah, like, why not? Like, I don't know. No, it's the same with Jiffy. Yeah. They would, you know, oh, John Moore on CFRB had Jiffy over to clean dog prints off his window. That's the script they give you.

That's the taking it up the unit. know what they give you right just to give the ad you know but you know I was doing the lawyer stuff as well and I will say I only went to Leor Sanfuru I know that I will say um I can do it publicly is Leor and Savan thank you they were so sweet after Jody passed um getting in contact with arrangements and stuff like that so they are very good people yeah they are amazing people but they also paid well see this is the inside stuff I love. I think this is why Toronto Mike exists. At some point

a radio person is going to tell me what they got for my Bill. Bill Carroll used to they used to call him Bill the Schill, right? You don't understand. First of all, compared to what Derringer was, he didn't do a lot of stuff because they couldn't afford. He didn't need to. Yeah. He didn't need to.

Yeah. Plus you, oh, you want me Saturday at the Home Depot for three hours? That's going to cost you $10,000. Yeah. I'm still a trillion dollar bill. I'm still What I think is a mind-blow in this episode, staff is, and I don't use that term lately, you know that. I think the fact that you went from afternoons to mornings with zero bump in compensation, I think a lot of people, including people who know you personally, assumed that's when you got the big radio money. Because I did it.

Because you already had the radio money. Like, no, it's a mind-blow. It wasn't afternoon. He was nine to noon and then did the morning, right? I just... I did afternoons. God, I was there 20 years. I know.

And I had my commute, which is 100 years ago now, I would hear you. do like Simpsons trivia. Yeah, I did two to six. No, no, I know you did. I just say, look, by the time I moved to Toronto and like six 40, it was, he was nine to noon. I've only because Oakley left. Do we know why Oakley left mornings for afternoon drive? Is that something because he wouldn't listen to a damn thing they told him to do? His ratings were also not great. No. These are public, this publicly available information. And extremely loyal and very vocal, um, listenership. Right. Um, that's how I found out at Pizza Gate was a thing. was because when Gurney and I started,

we were getting bombarded with emails about why aren't you talking about this, you know, pizza parlor in D.C. where Hillary Clinton and John Panetta. With the basement that doesn't exist. Yeah, with the basement that doesn't exist because he was indulging that he's the OG disinformation peddler. Yeah, no, and to John's credit,

he was very clever with it too because he never actually said it. He'd let either Lou or a caller say it and not refute it. One of his panels and stuff like that. Yeah, absolutely. and, you know, more power to them. But anyway, I've got to take another break, guys. No, no, go, go, go. I mean, we're plying you with GBL stuff.

And then when you get back, right, and then if you want more staff, let me know I can run up and get you more. But we'll send you home to some for sure. Let me quickly do this, Supriya. I want to give some love to Doug Mills. He's the man at Blue Sky Agency. And you can write Doug.

His email address is Doug at Blue loose guy agency.ca.c.c.a. And you can ask Doug about creative and dynamic work environments. There's a whole, you know, this, Sapria. Return to the office as a thing. I hear footsteps upstairs because this is the one day of the week. My wife can work from home, but it wasn't long ago. She was working five days a week from home. Okay, this is the way we're all, the way of the world in 2025. But if you need dynamic and creative work environments, Doug Mills is your man. I mentioned Silen, you can ask him more again. Doug at Blue Sky Agency.com. Also, shout out to Ridley Funeral Home.

Brad Jones at Ridley Funeral Home has a great podcast called Life's Undertaking. Subscribe and enjoy. And speaking of great podcasts, thank you, Nick Iienies. I hope to see you at TMLX21 on November 29th. So, Priya, is there any chance you'd show up at TMLX21? Yeah, there's a good chance. Yeah, yeah. I was going to say, because on, I'm not here the weekend of the 21st. I'm actually in Edmonton doing stuff with.

Ryan Jesperson, but yeah, I'm around the 29th. Do you like Edmonton? I've only, if I'm being honest, I've only ever really been there as a kid, which I don't think counts, you know what I mean? No, and that does not count. Yeah, so I haven't been there as like an adult, so I'm very much looking forward to it. Okay, my wife is from Edmonton, and I'm just, I'll be curious to what you think of wonderful I mean, I've only ever heard good things.

So I'm, I'm, you know, I'm from Montreal, so I'm very into like smaller. I hear the addresses are weird, like I live at 10, 320, 138th Street. There's no, the numbers I've heard. It's like fucking binary. They're big on the numbers over there. No one said there'll be math on this here. So to complete that thought, though, Nick Aieny's, I hope to see you on November 29th, Nick. Nick has two great podcasts.

His most recent guest on building success is actually the aforementioned Steve Pagan, so there's a great chat. And there was a building Toronto skyline with Jennifer McKelvey, speaking of Mark Carney's liberal government and what they plan to do to get more homes. built in this country. So Nick had a great conversation with Jennifer about that. So subscribe and enjoy all that. Quick thoughts, if you don't mind, on the AI slop that I'm waiting through so often. A quick story that applies to you, Mike Stafford, is that fairly recently, Google's got an AI tool, and I asked that Google AI tool about, like, who is Toronto Mike or something like that.

And it told me that Toronto Mike was Mike Stafford who started, who was fired, from radio at 640 and then started Toronto mic. Just because of the answer. Yeah, that's me. And then I posted, I wrote about it on Toronto mic.com which by way, everything written on Toronto mic.com not AI generated. It's all coming out of these things.

Did the AI generation also, my fake middle name for you was all Michael Francis Stafford. What is that? Well, here's the thing though. But it just seemed like a very, it's like an Irish-ish, you know, like middle.

I was like, anytime he did something. something. I was like, Michael, Francis Stafford. You and your multi-armed deities, laughing at the Catholics. It's got to have Pope middle name. Yeah, Leo, Francis Leo. The problem, as I see it, forget all these awful images and songs we're getting that's coming out of AI software, but the actual facts that people are getting from AI, in my experience, are often false.

Wrong. Like, and to me, it just starts to become a snake eating its tail, and more bullshit leads to more bullshit. And people, like, at some point, I mean, I personally don't trust any of it because if a little bit of it is fake, like, I don't know what the fake is, what the real is. Well, the scary part for me now, Suprias, and you used to call it, uh, TLDR, too long, didn't read from Reddit, yeah. Now you get that with every, like Google search is, here's, here's the AI Pracey. Yeah. Right.

Now, as you say about the getting stuff wrong, I know when shit's shit, usually it has one of those M dashes before and after. but in reality Star Trek Generations was more than a It was an unveiling of God's face I know that's AI crap But in terms of actual Like fact facts It's tough because I know the world book

I know geography Yeah well you were on Jeopardy for goodness Exactly But when it comes to current events I can't keep up man I don't know But if you can't trust back in the day, you know, we checked our sources.

But this is a problem, right? And I mean, and it's a problem that governments are okay with allowing to proliferate. And I don't know why, but that is the space that we're in. Like, they're scared. There's very, yeah, but they're scared because they're a bunch of pussies, to be honest. And it's because the Trump administration came in. All of the billionaires, the seven billionaires that control our entire information ecosystem lined up behind him and are okay with, you know, getting their knees bruised or whatever to pay their respects to the regime.

And governments, whether it's our current government or, you know, leadership in the EU or the UK or wherever, they've all folded. And all these tech companies have to do is just bring out another feature. Oh my God, I can do this in my stories now.

Completely ignoring all of that. It's like Malibu Barbie and the new hat. But she has a new hat. But it is probably, This is a huge problem. And to your point about the accuracy of it, like I think AI generated articles on the internet surpassed human generated articles in like late 2024 or something like that.

So like more shit begets more shit, right? It's like garbage in, garbage out exponentially. And it's a huge problem. Tell me you guys can both figure out. If you're reading like a stupid article about the TV show MASH, that it was, this has not been written by. There are cues along, like I usually, there are... Like the dashes and the overdramatic.

The way it's written and stuff, I can usually tell it's generated by AI. You've denigrated M dashes. I'll say, I've been using the M dash before chat GPT was a thing, okay? Okay. It's in Gravenhurst, 1983. I don't have to tell you. I know you guys are both two very bright people, but the average Joe, the average Jane out there isn't putting in the work.

to really to look at the source and to check and see is real. But they shouldn't have to put in the work. Right. This is what I will argue. I don't think an average Joe, average Jane, average judge, whatever. That's Indian or Jerry. Hey, Ma, she's making up stuff. I don't think they should have to actually do that. Like this is, this is what, this is, you know, it's 2025. Like we should be, we should have accurate information.

But we both been out of this business for four years. Yeah. how the hell do you have to take a side you have to do a you can't do a balance show i used to try to i used to try to show some balance you can't do that anymore can you i mean i think you can but the question is what is balance and so is the balance that you have to accept both sides equally or is the balance to the truth and that's where i think the skew is right now and so if you're If you're talking about it, like, you know, you made fun of me about the Modi stuff, which, like, you know, fine. Like, people can, like, look up stuff that I've written prior to the government pivot on India.

But it's, it's at least, you know, consistent. Like, I don't know. Like, there's a, there's a consistency there. So, like, and we're not going to solve it. Do you want to solve it? No, but it's, you know, we have, there must be a solution. This, I mean, the solution is to require these giant. platforms to adhere to the truth or to have their LLMs checked, fact-checked, right?

But don't I keep reading about countries and jurisdictions that have done this? No, no, no. So I'm not saying, like, a Ministry of Truth. I'm saying, like, they're not fact-checking their AI. There's no human oversight of, like, what's happening, right? So they generate whatever. And in fairness to the AI, not that we require it to be fair to it. But, like, there is something to be said about, like, they're just.

synthesizing the information that's available and are spitting it out. But there should be, like, for example, a Toronto Mike and Mike Stafford, like a human overseeing that would be able to say, well, that's not right. Right. And putting it. So I'm not saying it should be like a government being like, this is true, this is not true, but like corporations should want to put out accurate things. And it's a problem when they feel like they can load their consumers.

or their user base with inaccurate things and it won't make a difference. And right now it isn't making a difference because we're all still using it. And the thing is, I mean, Facebook is still the same. I'm looking for TV stands the other day. What starts filling my Facebook feed? Yeah. Wayfarer. Retargeting, that's called.

Never. How did they do that, Michael? You're the tech guy. Cookies. How do I buy these and get rid of these things? How many times have you accepted all cookies? How many times? Probably 100 times.

It's retargeting. Sabrina concert the other night. It called it Sasa for us. One line that Sapria said to me during her first visit is we were talking about blue sky where I frequent. And you called it like Twitter refugees had shown up at blue sky. And I referenced that quite a bit because that is absolutely what it feels like. But I saw a screen cap on blue sky this morning from Twitter, well now known as X, where their AI tool Grock was basically talking about how Donald Trump did win the 2020 election. Like that is the AI tool from X.

disseminating that, fake information. So I just think it's going to get worse before, if it ever gets better at all. And I think anyone who cares about the truth is going to have some bad times. But we've allowed billionaires to control our truth, which is so messed up. Why are we allowing this?

It's completely messed up. And so, you know, like, Elon's the first to put the knee pads on and to be like 2020, don't exist. Just wait until it's Jeff Bezos. And that's what's officially printed in the Washington Post, right? like or you know like now the the transfer of ownership for CBS wait until CBS news starts parroting this stuff it's only a matter of time

like nobody has any courage in this moment and it's it's a huge problem for us as a you know for democracy to actually you know and I'm the I'm a doomsday prepper at the best of times always happened the best at it yeah she was just like queen of the When that stupid COVID hit, I told you, I told you, I told you, I told you. That's true. Let's watch Contagion again.

On our way out, let me just say thank you both for, it did take a bit of time and effort to align the schedules and get you guys down here together, but it was worth the weight. I think exactly what you said is that you were juggling a bunch of balls. I'm always juggling a bunch of, there's no one else here. Someone's got to juggle these balls, Stafford. What are you doing after the recording?

How do you get fired from retired? I've been fired from retired. Well, this is where I want to go. So last time you were here, Mike Stafford, we had like just some light conversation about you potentially launching a podcast that was crowdfunded or some kind of a, maybe a Patreon or something, your fans, because there's a bunch of them out there who care about you and want to hear from you. Maybe that money and then maybe I volunteer some technical assistance so that you could have something you record from home. I got nothing to do you have any more and again you've gone through some shit since you were here and you lost your wife and of course maybe you haven't been in a frame to even think about this I wouldn't blame you but what about a Mike Stafford podcast is Kelly's going to start one and I wish her the best maybe she needs a co-host I just I what do we talk about it's funny you say that like how it would be difficult to keep this thing under

an hour. I mean, what you do is, is perfect for this format. And I think Coco does it as well, Conan. Obviously, Joe. I thought you meant Coco, the gorilla. No. Stay funny. I can't believe they replaced him with syndicated.

I can't believe they allowed us to do a radio show for as long as they did, given that half of our show from 5.30 a.m. I know. To at least 6.45. It was just inside jokes and substance. It's just waking up. Oh, my God. Oh, yeah, podcast.

No, it's like, it's the only. Is there any interest? The only funny thing that Howie Mandela has ever said was the Betty did about improv. The improv. Okay, give me, give me a city. Okay, give me a place. Okay. Give me a business.

Okay. Give me something funny to say. That's good. That to me is a podcast. That's up. You described it perfectly. Okay, so let me just do this again. There's no invoice at the end of this spiel.

So I don't think I'm doing a sales pitch here. It's quite the opposite, actually. But what if once a week for 25 to 30 minutes, you chatted with me via fucking Zoom or something. You have an internet connection where you're living these days? You could do that and do that sponsor. Right. And maybe it starts as for Patreon, Mike Stafford, patrons only.

Okay, like I'll do all this work in the back end. And I'll disseminate this. information, but, and I don't know, maybe it makes 20 bucks, maybe it makes $2 million. I can't make any promises on that front. I want to do it like Bill Maher and Club Random. We just got the blunt and the bottle of cognac. That's what I'm thinking.

Yeah, I'm coming to that. So we start this thing. Again, no invoice comes your way from me, okay? You get all the money that goes into this pot, be it 20 bucks or two million bucks. You get that, okay? That's good, you have some walking around money. Two million bucks? Who knows what it is. Who knows what it is.

Okay, yeah. Just putting it out there. As you're quant, I'm telling you this. Once a week at the same time, a half an hour Zoom with me, I'll do all the other parts. Okay? So all you're doing is talking into a USB mic that we've set up in where you're living now. And you're just talking. And it might be about some current events. It might be about your thoughts on this and that.

Yeah. 25 to 30 minutes, I think it'd be effortless for me to extract that from it. As his agent, I will say, 30 minutes is his cut off. That's his absolute max. 30. Yep. After 30 minutes, I send an invoice. Well, food for thought.

You don't need to answer the question, but there is a possibility where I volunteer my services and you just have to bark into a mic for 30 minutes a week. And then maybe when you're ready, maybe it launches in January or something whenever you're ready and just see if it's $20 or if it's $2 million regardless. You can always stop. There's no commitment.

I approve it. Like, yeah, is there any, I don't see the risk. No, I like it. Okay. I got to check my schedule. because Duolipas in East Timor in December for the Christians over the

over the holidays. He's playing us out. I'm playing it, but it's a long build-up because Rob Proust just yesterday delivered the new closing theme and it's a long road before we get to the Easter eggs he's put in there. Is he ever going to get back with Gordon and Sandy on stage?

They don't invite him? They don't invite him to shit. He left them for honeymoon suite way back of the day. And now they have a new, obviously, a new keyboardist. So maybe it's not fair to the current keyboardist to bring in the old keyboardist. Maybe you only need one. Oh, everything's so woke.

And he's a living in New York City, too. I was in rock and roll. We just kicked people out of the band. The way they looked that morning. Get out. So I will do my little extra. Yeah, yeah. But then I want to, like, before you take off the headphones and take another league, Stafford,

maybe listen to the new closing theme. And let's see if you can name all. the Easter eggs. You just mentioned it and now I got to go. Yeah. Can you hold on like three minutes? No, no, no, what am I? Now we're thinking about it. Because I had a plan. Okay, well, Supria's going to be put on the spot then and we'll see how long that takes you.

I'm not going to know anything. So this is a thing. You might know. So Ryan Bonner used to run a segment that was called Stump Supriah. Oh yeah. Which it was the most you know. Like pop culture? Like, wait, like music? Like 70s, 80s pop culture. So like pop culture that you would have like, at my age, would have absorbed from your parents, which just didn't happen.

And that's because they're new Canadians? Yeah, I mean, all of my stuff was like, would have been Bollywood related. So when do you become like aware of... Like 90s-ish? You know what I mean? So, like, when it was like of my own stuff, yeah, like I know. Ish. Well, let's see how

you do anyways. It may be staffs back by then. I mean, I'm just going to, now I'm just going to run out the clock. Now you're giving me reason to run the clock. I can always hit that button again, Sikriya. How was this for you, though? You got some weed from shop Kinley in there? you got some beer, you got a moose.

And actually now that I know that you can like track it. Yeah. This is fucking amazing. And it's under an hour you get that delivery. 100%. No, that's my new thing. Give it a go and tell me how good. Will you return for a third visit at some point?

I will definitely return. You know what? If you can put in a third chair here. I can. Who's going in the third chair? I don't know. Like who do we want? Who do you guys want in a chair?

Um, Jason Chapman. And that brings us to the end of our 1,797th show. Go to tronomelike.com for all your Toronto mic needs. It might be short. Much love. To all who made this possible, that's retro festive. Save 10% with the promo code FOTM.

Great Lakes Brewery, Palma Pasta, Nicayini's, Kindling, Recycle My Electronics. dot CA, that's where you go of old cables, old devices, old electronics, you don't throw them in the garbage, you go to recycle my electronics.com, put in your postal code and drop it off. Blue Sky Agency and Ridley Funeral Home staff, you can talk, obviously. Your mic's still live. Yeah. Can you name these tunes? Okay, it's coming. Now, that's Rush. That's Rush subdivision. Yeah, I would have been able to. I wouldn't have said subdivision. I know it was Rush. How about this one? It's Mr. dress-up. He's two-for-two, everybody.

Okay, a little tougher. Let's see. Because you're a little older than me. You might not. Don't know that one. That's the Zit remedy. Everybody wants something from DeGrasi. Okay, let's see.

White cars. Black cars? That's Gino Vanelli. Again, he doesn't do race. Or gender. How about this one? Pocod door. Correct.

You've only missed one, I think. She was watching Shee-Alene. And there you go. So those are the new Easter eggs, all related to Toronto-Miked episodes. Thanks to everybody for listening. Well, you wouldn't have been watching because you spoke French. I did.

What was the French pineapple? I remember there's a... Anana. Anana. There was a little cartoon of a pineapple that spoke French to me. You would love the Retro Ontario episode recently where we talked about the history of children's TV in the GTA from the beginning to...

His new book? You would love it, yeah. See y'all tomorrow. Who's my guest? I know the music's gone, but I still need to go to my calendar because I'm a professional. I'm sure this never happened on 640.

But I'm going to my calendar to see who's next because I cannot remember. Oh, it's a gentleman from the Globe and Mail. Charlie Hurd. Shout out to Ridley Funeral Home. My guest tomorrow is a chap named. I know. I've got to get the name here.

Barry Hertz. Do either of you know Barry Hertz from the Globe and Mail? Yeah, Barry's their entertainment guy, Yeah, movies and stuff. He's going to come in, he's going to talk about the ongoing history of the Fast and the Furious soundtrack, and of course I'll ask him a whole bunch of questions

about Mike Stafford. And also ask him about Paul Walker being a giant petto. Oh. That should go on the record. I'll just cut that out and play that for him. Barry Hurts. I know his brother Dick.

See you all then. Dick Hertz from beating.