Toronto Mike'd: The Official Toronto Mike Podcast - Mike Stafford KOTJ: Toronto Mike'd #265

Episode Date: September 12, 2017

Mike and Mike play and discuss his ten favourite songs....

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Starting point is 00:00:00 And right now, right now, right now it's time to... Take out the jams, motherfuckers! I'm in Toronto where you wanna get the city love I'm from Toronto where you wanna get the city love I'm a Toronto Mike, wanna get the city love My city love me back for my city love Welcome to episode 265 of Toronto Miked A weekly podcast about anything and everything Proudly brought to you by Great Lakes Brewery A local independent brewery producing fresh craft beer.
Starting point is 00:00:46 And propertyinthesix.com, Toronto real estate done right. I'm Mike from torontomike.com and joining me to kick out the jams is broadcaster Mike Stafford. Yeah. Is that Motor City 5 off the top? MC5?
Starting point is 00:01:04 Of course. Yeah. And you're City 5 off the top? MC5? Of course. And you're not offended by the MF? Not at all, my man. That's why I love the podcast and the satellite because it's all uncensored. There was some debate recently whether I should not do that because now people have to hear the
Starting point is 00:01:20 terrible MF-er off the top and I'm like, no man, first of all it gets me excited. It gets me all jazz off the top. And I'm like, no, man, first of all, it gets me excited. Like, it gets me all, like, jazzed. Absolutely. Absolutely. And Fisher Price isn't a sponsor. You don't have to worry about that. That's right.
Starting point is 00:01:30 It's good to see you again. And Great Lakes, you know who's a huge fan of the Great Lakes? It's Chef Ted Reeder. He's a Facebook friend. Oh, yeah. He's always going on about Great Lakes. They used to have this thing all summer long where they had a meat, like a meat truck would come to Great Lakes near the Costco.
Starting point is 00:01:47 That's how I describe it. Near the Costco. Near rural York and Queensway there. And yeah, I saw him there a couple of Fridays. I'd have a pint on the patio and I'd see, is it Ted Reeder? Ted Reeder, yeah. And I'd see his truck serving up good food to go with the beers. Yeah, he loves the Great Lakes, man.
Starting point is 00:02:04 It's been a couple of years since I've been here. You've had, what, four more kids? Or does it just feel that way? I don't know, man. Did I have number three when you were last here? I think your wife was pregnant. Okay, well, there's been a couple since then. Or she just had a baby.
Starting point is 00:02:18 I think she was on maternity leave. That was it. I have doubled my children since you were last here. Okay. Well, we did... Actually, I know this. If we recorded in this basement, and we did, right? Yep.
Starting point is 00:02:29 I only moved my studio to the basement to make room for kid number three. So I feel like if you were down here, number three probably had popped out. Yeah, it was March 2016. 2015. Yeah, he came out in like April 2014. Okay. So number four was on the way. Yeah, he came out in like April 2014.
Starting point is 00:02:44 So number four was on the way. To let everybody know right off the bat that if you want to hear the ongoing history of Mike Stafford, can I call it that? Sure. A lawsuit in him. In the 113th episode, I'll read the description. talks about his days at CFNY, CFRB, 640, getting high before his Jeopardy appearance, and why he fired Freddie P as his best man. Well, I'm glad that story got out. Anyway, that's all good.
Starting point is 00:03:16 Freddie's, I've heard Freddie, he's kicked out the jams. He's kicked out the jams, yeah. In fact, it'll be fun. One of your jams is a solo effort by a former Beatle. And when we get to that one, you can tell me your thoughts on another solo effort by a former Beatle that appeared on Freddie P's list. Yeah, and I can guess what it is right now. But we'll talk about that in a sec, sure. You spoiled it a little bit for your listeners on 640 because I heard a short clip of you talking about coming over today.
Starting point is 00:03:48 And you were telling your audience on 640 how difficult it was to come up with 10 jams. Yeah, it was. And I mean, you first, we had contact in like early July. We were going to be doing this. I screwed up my back. My mom passed. It was not a good summer. So first, it's
Starting point is 00:04:06 great to be here, but this is a very tough list. TV shows? Easy. Movies? Easy. Songs? And that's what I was saying on the air, Mike. Okay, it's 1122. Right now at 1122 on September 12th, what's your favorite song?
Starting point is 00:04:22 And I got some weird ones. I mean, Hotel California, hasn't that been played to death? That's like Stairway to Heaven. That's one of those staples that appears on some people. Well, some people like to be safe. And anyway, I only spoiled one song on the air because I didn't want to give away my number one of all time because I think it's important when you choose the number one and you have to commit to number one, you don't have to necessarily explain why.
Starting point is 00:04:49 And that's what's happened with my number one, which we'll hear in a bit. Yeah. I know I tried to, like, I figured if I'm going to ask people like yourself to do this, I should sit down and see if I can do this. So I myself have a, like, it's a breathing organism. Like, I have the 10 right now. But like you said, in a couple of minutes, one might be swapped out for something else. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:05:07 Uh, and it's the reason like the why and the story, sometimes there's a great story and a reason why, Oh, I heard this when my first born was just born. And on the way home, I heard this on the radio. Like,
Starting point is 00:05:17 yeah, that's a great story, but sometimes you're not really sure. You just love that damn tune. Well, I mean, nothing captures a moment more than music. It's like the sense of smell
Starting point is 00:05:28 is the biggest evoker of memory. And I think the same thing is with music as well. My number two selection, which we'll hear in a bit, I was saying on the air today, it puts me in April 1974 on a couch. I'm making out with a girl named Judy. And it was the night Hank Aaron hit his 715th
Starting point is 00:05:44 home run. Awesome. And this song, which is my number two, which you'll hear, was playing on, I think, CKOC out of Kitchener. So that puts me back in that moment. It's amazing. I always, whenever we kick out the jams, I love it. And I kind of, the analogy I use is it's sort of the closest thing we have to a time machine. In fact,
Starting point is 00:06:11 Ron Hawkins was here last week from Lowest to the Low, sitting in that very seat. And we were talking about his new album, which has some great tracks on it. And then I just made some comment like, will I love it as much as Shakespeare, My Butt, one of my favorite albums of all time? And I made the Simpsons reference, only time will tell, right after the Itchy and Scratch movie, we'll be as successful. And then he said, well, you got to listen. You might. And I said to him, like, well, no matter what, your current album will never make me a teenager again. I'll never be back in high school. Just something nostalgic and wonderful about that.
Starting point is 00:06:39 Which is a lot of these songs are very centered on those years for me, because quite honestly, and I'll explain a little later, after the age of 30, I just kind of lost interest in music. It's weird. I think it was the three years I spent at Mix 99.9, and Cutting Crew died in my arms again. Rick Astley, some of the worst music, the late 80s stuff. Just no interest. late 80s stuff. Right. Oh, just no interest. And you very quickly glossed over a couple of, you know, items from your summer of 2017. I just want to go back real quick. Firstly, you mentioned your back. So originally you postponed because of back issues.
Starting point is 00:07:17 Yeah. Tell us how your back is now. It's not good. I've been seeing a chiropractor, but I'm going to see my doctor. I'm at a party. My good friend Mike, his wife is a great lady, Kathy. She has won every radio contest. She's a radio contest.
Starting point is 00:07:35 She's been to Italy. Well, last July, first weekend of July, she wins a boom Saturday night backyard party. Nice. The boom 97.3 show up up and they throw this party. And of course, me being a degenerate smoker, I'm looking in the backyard for a place to sit so I can have a cigarette. And Mike has got these sort of swings and slides. So I'm going to sit on one of the swings and I miss the saddle. I wasn't drinking that much.
Starting point is 00:07:59 Right, right. I missed the saddle and fell flat on my ass and all I could hear was crunch. And so, yeah, anyway, I'm still, it's a work my ass, and all I could hear was crunch. And so, yeah, anyway, I'm still, it's a work in progress, Mike. Work in progress. And that was nothing because later in the summer when your back was starting to get better and you were going to come to kick out the jams, you mentioned you lost your mom. So my condolences. Thank you.
Starting point is 00:08:21 Mom had had some surgery at Mount Sinai, and they did a really great job. We were worried about her. She and my dad just celebrated their 59th wedding anniversary. They were in New York City in June. And she went and saw the Carole King musical, because that's her favorite artist of all time. And she came back, and she had to get this emergency surgery, and she was doing okay. this emergency surgery and she was doing okay. Um, and I called my sister on a Friday morning, the July 14th, Friday morning, I was off work and, uh, she's saying, I'm really worried about mom. She's not eating. All she had last night was watermelon. That's all she wanted. Okay. Well, whatever. Give her my love. And I went and had a shower. I came back, the phone had a message on it. It was my sister in tears. Mom's gone. My, uh, my dad went to check on her and she passed quietly in her sleep. And yeah, boy, you grow up real quick when that happens. Even just hearing you tell that story, I get a shiver through my body. Sometimes you get a chance to kind of say goodbye. I didn't have that chance.
Starting point is 00:09:17 And that will always haunt me. But I was thinking about her that day, and I miss her. It's been a couple of months, but I miss her, and my dad too. He's very lonely right now. It's tough. It's tough. Yeah, sorry about that. Hey, no problem. No problem.
Starting point is 00:09:35 That is shitty. Yeah. Well, I got a song for her here anyway coming up. Good, good. Now, the 90 seconds I shared on Twitter from your show on 640 earlier today, you mentioned you were going to Mimico. I just politely let you know this is actually not Mimico. I can't tell. Where's Mimico?
Starting point is 00:09:53 Mimico's Superior Avenue, right? With a value martin. Mimico ends at Dwight, which is where the McDonald's is. So once you hit First Street, you've left Mimico. Mimico doesn Ah, okay. The numbers aren't, Mimico doesn't get the numbers. We hog the numbers here. Okay.
Starting point is 00:10:10 We share them with Long Branch. Yes, that LCBO that has all the locked bottles. That is New Toronto. Okay, so that's New Toronto. Okay. That's exactly right. Quick story, but you drive, so you, Queens Quay, everybody should know this, but it's by the, where it smells like sweet sugar down there. It's just east
Starting point is 00:10:28 of Yonge on Queens Quay. And you have a complex there, Chorus, and you work there, and then you live in North, is it Port Credit? Technically, I live in Mineola, which is north of Port Credit. Port Credit's to the west of me.
Starting point is 00:10:44 I call my area Port No Credit, because it's considered sort of Lakeview. Right, which is between Long Branch and... Yeah, the generating station used to be down there. It was, you know, it's becoming a little more gentrified, but it's still a poor man's Port Credit, yeah. Oh, I know it well because I do the bike ride along the waterfront to Port Credit and you go through Lakeview, yeah, which is in Marie Curtis,
Starting point is 00:11:08 I believe we have the, this is really exciting to people. The dividing line. There's the dividing, which is the river, the river, which is called Credit River. Etobicoke Creek.
Starting point is 00:11:15 Etobicoke Creek, right, right, right. So, but I guess you've noticed, of course, that they have a lot of lakeshore like between here and what's that, Norris Crescent, where I get on the bike trail. They have, it's down to one lane because they're ripping out these
Starting point is 00:11:29 uh streetcar tracks yeah and replacing them or whatever so you got one lane so uh me and my two older kids often have to bike this because we got to get from first to norris to get back on the waterfront trail so we have to bike on lake shore but it's one lane and there's no room for a bus and a bike side by side. You have to go, what's that called? You have to go one after another. Single file. That's the term I'm looking for. Yeah, I mean, it was all
Starting point is 00:11:56 buggered from first all the way to rural York. They seem to have finished that one. Now it's rural York to Norris. Now it's rural York to Norris. And you're right. If I get behind a bike or even worse, Mike, a garbage truck. Oh, yeah. Because you're not going anywhere. That's right.
Starting point is 00:12:07 Because he got to stop, you know. But I don't know. I mean, people love the streetcars and stuff. But I find it, you know, every five years they got to rip up the freaking street. You know, it's tough. So long story short is me and these, my daughter's 13, my son's 15. And we're biking as hard as we can. Like, we feel like we need to go really fast
Starting point is 00:12:27 because we're basically, a lot of people behind us are going slower because we're in front of them. And we're biking our asses off, which is like, whatever, 20K an hour, we're doing our best. And there's a bus behind us, and the bus has to go 20K an hour because the bus doesn't want to run us over. So we, now we're at Norris Crescent, and the bus has stopped
Starting point is 00:12:45 and a couple of gooners get out, okay? And start yelling at me and my two kids, screaming at us, we don't have the right. You don't have the fucking right to slow down a bus. Like, they're going off. And I, I'm like, I'm not a fighting man. I'm a lover, not a fighter. I'm yelling back
Starting point is 00:13:01 my friend, I'm like, you can't, what do you want me to do? I said, would you rather I'm on the sidewalk? Because my options are I'm either single file on Lakeshore where you're supposed to be or we're on the sidewalk. Anyway, he's yelling, you know, you don't have the fucking right. That's not true. And he's cursing
Starting point is 00:13:17 me out. This has traumatized my 13-year-old where she won't ride that part of the route anymore. You don't do that with kids. I know. You don't do it, but you don't do it. Who was it? Like Doug and Michael Ford? Two new Toronto gooners. Yeah, those LCBO guys.
Starting point is 00:13:32 Those guys. Yeah, those guys. The Breakfast Club. But anyway, to those guys, thanks a lot because my 13-year-old was afraid I was going to get into like fisticuffs at, you know, Dwight and Lakeshore. It's like a quarter, an eighth of a mile.
Starting point is 00:13:45 I know. Calm down. I know. And we were going a good 20K an hour. That's not bad, right? So anyways, I just wanted to share that recent story from Lakeshore and biking on Lakeshore. Just stay off it between 7 and 8 a.m.
Starting point is 00:13:58 and I'm good, Mike. Okay. I get to work. You got it, buddy. You got it. You mentioned Port, no credit. Quick question about your Facebook page. Is that public knowledge? Can I talk about this Facebook page? Sure.
Starting point is 00:14:09 Okay. Fretful Moms of Port No Credit. Okay. Somebody invited me to this, and it's quite amazing. I said it. I haven't even been on it, Mike, to tell you the truth. I set it up as a joke in the summertime because I'm noticing more and more of these community Facebook groups with these fretful mothers. Yeah, yeah. Does anyone know what this is? Yeah, it's a squirrel. Does anyone know where I can find a hairdresser? Like Google. These community, and I call them the fretful
Starting point is 00:14:45 pinot moms. I mean, they've got nothing else in their lives except to just judge other people and ask stupid questions. So I got a picture of that idiot, David Avocado Wolfe, or whatever his name is, the curly-haired guy that's always writing about health issues and things.
Starting point is 00:15:00 Okay, okay. And I just called it fretful moms of port no credit. And I invited a bunch of people, but I eventually had to close the group to invite only because I don't know what I was worried about. Anyway, it's a little bit
Starting point is 00:15:15 of fun. Cool. People know that exists. If you get in there, it's quite amusing. I'll invite you. I'll let you in, folks. How are things at AM640? Well, the ratings just came out, and they sucked. I don't get the ratings.
Starting point is 00:15:34 CFRB got a 7.3 this summer. I will eat my boots that a talk radio station got a 7.3 summer share. Congratulations, guys. It was fun when I worked there when I lasted. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:15:50 I don't know. If I get paid Friday, I'm happy. If I get paid on the 30th, I'm happy. It's just one of those things, Mike. I've been doing this so long. I'm almost on 40 years now. No, yeah. You've had a very good run, my friend.
Starting point is 00:16:04 But I have a feeling, like, if you got some notice, AM640 was going all traffic next week, Mike, your services are no longer required, you're going to, someone's going to phone you up and secure your services, I would hope, because you're one of the very best talk radio personalities we have
Starting point is 00:16:20 in the GTA. Yeah, I appreciate that, and it's a pretty incestuous business in the GTA. A lot of people, I mean it's a pretty incestuous business in the GTA. A lot of people, I mean, you talk to Howard, you talk to Fred, you talk to Ted Wallachian. I mean, we've all worked somewhere a couple of times in many cases. And yeah. Well, I just had Larry Fedorek in here.
Starting point is 00:16:35 And he's a good example. That was a great podcast. Thanks, man. Because I was a huge fan. Larry's the first guy I ever worked with at CHIC in Brampton. Was that when it was the disco station? 790 Disco, CHIC, where the chicks are.
Starting point is 00:16:48 Yeah, that was the disco time. And, you know, I'd love him to come over to chorus. I think he'd be great. I'd love to see him up here. He kicked out the jams. Oh, I didn't hear his jams. I didn't hear his jams. The shortest period between the full deep dive episode and the kicking out of the jams was Larry Fedorek.
Starting point is 00:17:08 Well, I know he works at St. Catharines, but he lives in Etobicoke. Yeah, he's at like Kipling and Eglinton. So he's sort of on the way as well. Okay. This was easy for him. Sure. Almost as easy as it was for you. And if it's that easy for you, feel free.
Starting point is 00:17:23 We could do an episode a week if you want. Absolutely. I'm on the way home. We could do Simpsons trivia. Absolutely. I'll pick up some toasted westerns from the Lucky Dice and bring them over and we're all good. Oh, that'd be perfect. And last time you were here, which, let me turn off my phone. That's terrible. If a guest did that, I'd be offended.
Starting point is 00:17:40 We'll ignore that. No problem. In episode 113, it was before the beer sponsorship, so you didn't get a six-pack of Great Lakes beer. No, and I was talking to Lou Skizis, our happy capitalist, because he was here a couple of months ago, I guess. And I mentioned, yeah, I did a podcast with Mike a couple of years ago, and he mentioned the Great Lakes.
Starting point is 00:18:00 And I said, well, he didn't have the sponsors back then. And you quite kindly said you would do a drive I just drive by, do a drive-by. I just roll my window down, you toss a sixer. I wasn't kidding either. Like I would be on Lakeshore. You'd let me know like approximately when, when I see you roll down the window, I pass you in a six pack of Great Lakes beer and you go home to port. No credit.
Starting point is 00:18:20 Just do a rolling stop at, uh, just down the street and we'll be all good. But yeah, it's great. It's great to be back, Mike. It's great. Yeah. And that's going home with you, the Great Lakes beer. Beautiful. You know it's almost Halloween because there's one of the pumpkin, the pumpkin ale is in there too.
Starting point is 00:18:38 I've never had. So this will be new. This will be great. Enjoy. And before I present you the pint glass uh i just remembered that i had a 640 question hold on here oh that's great that i'm gonna shut this down and then not remember oh yeah the mornings yeah real quick real quick note before we leave you filled in on the morning show recently a couple of weeks agoind me, did you tell me in episode 113
Starting point is 00:19:05 that you just don't want to do mornings? You don't want to wake up at that hour? Or did I dream that you said that? I probably did say that. I probably did. It's tough. And this morning show with Matt and Supriya now starts at 5.30. So you pretty well
Starting point is 00:19:21 got to be physically in the station by latest quarter to five. And even though it's only a 22 kilometer drive with no traffic at the time of the morning, I'm too old for it. I'm too old. I'm happy where I am. And it would really require a lot of negotiation to take a morning show again. They wouldn't be able to afford you. I didn't say that. There's a price for everything, right? Right now, I'm happy where I am. I mean, I'm done at noon.
Starting point is 00:19:51 Yeah, I had to ask only because I got notes from people, and this is no disrespect at all to Matt or anybody in the current show who's doing a fine job, but people would send me notes about how perfect you sound in the morning. Why isn't Stafford doing mornings? They always think you belong on one of those two, the big drive home. Yeah. Well, I've done mornings. I've done afternoons. And I'm in a spot right now that I'm just
Starting point is 00:20:16 really happy with. The pay is good. It coordinates with our home life. And I appreciate the kind thoughts and stuff like that. But every once in a while filling in, it's nice for a change, especially in the summer. I mean, the sun's coming up at five o'clock anyway. You know, it's great. Yeah, for sure. Not so much in December.
Starting point is 00:20:36 No, I can't even imagine. Like, personally, I can't imagine it. But like you said, there's a, you know, everything has a price, I suppose. But so I know I'd get questions about, you know, if you're doing mornings or afternoons. Nothing's been said. That's all I know. Except, you know, can you fill in? Yeah, I'll do that.
Starting point is 00:20:54 The pint glass in front of you is yours to take home as well. Thank you. This is with Brian's lovely card in it. Brian is Brian Gersteins from propertyinthesix.com. Very nice. It's a proper pint glass. I was going to say, that is a proper pint glass
Starting point is 00:21:11 and people who have been happy to receive it because it's not some shitty, you know, dollar store cup there. That's an actual quality pint glass. So you can drink
Starting point is 00:21:20 your Great Lakes beer in there. And speaking of Brian, let's hear from Brian directly. Property in the 6.com Brian Gerstein here, proud sponsor of Toronto Mic and sales representative with PSR Brokerage, with offices in King West and the Annex. PSR specializes in new condominium sales with the hottest projects in the city,
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Starting point is 00:22:15 I got a question for you, Mike. Yeah, man. Are you ready to kick out the jam? I am ready to kick out the mother of the Hanging Jams. ¶¶ ¶¶ ¶¶ ¶¶ ¶¶ ¶¶
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Starting point is 00:22:44 ¶¶ ¶¶ ¶¶ ¶¶ ¶¶ ¶¶ ¶¶ ¶¶ ¶¶ ¶¶ ¶¶ ¶¶ ¶¶ One day when I'm awfully low, when the world is cold, I will feel a glow just thinking of you and the way you look tonight. Frank Sinatra, The Way You Look Tonight. What a song. What an arrangement. And I think it's my favorite old-timey love song of all time. It comes from a Fred Astaire, Ginger Rogers movie. And Frank jazzed it up a little bit with Nelson Riddle on orchestration, but Dorothy Fields wrote the lyrics. I think a Canadian woman. And she didn't write music. Jerome Kern, the famous composer, wrote the song. And when he brought it over to her house, she had to leave, and she just sobbed uncontrollably outside because the music was so beautiful.
Starting point is 00:23:48 Just absolutely one of my favorite love songs of all time. Sounds really good in the headphones, too. Yeah. And, you know, Frank's little take on it. I mean, he's a musical hero to me. I grew up listening to the Wee Small Hours from my parents' record player. I went through a Frank Sinatra phase, if you will,
Starting point is 00:24:14 where I did a deep dive and listened to a lot of Frank when I was in high school. It's more than just my way, I always say. You've got your my way and your New York, New York and stuff, but just Frank is just something special. Yeah, and you listen to his Capitol years and stuff before he formed his own album. And it's just, it's unbelievable.
Starting point is 00:24:36 I mean, the guy was a horrible human being. But of the time, right? We had a lot of horrible, Bing Crosby, you name it. We had a lot of horrible human beings back then. Well, I mean, there's a great Facebook meme of Frank getting out of a helicopter holding a martini. And you just can't get anything cooler than that. Frank Sinatra leaving a helicopter with a martini in his hand. And he won an Academy Award, right?
Starting point is 00:24:59 Or was he nominated? No, he won. He won Best Supporting Actor from here to eternity. And that whole story of how he got that role is key to The Godfather. I was going to say, because I just revisited Godfather 1 and 2 of my oldest. So tell that story. Johnny Fontaine, not Vic Damone, whoever the actor is, Al Martino. Yeah, he goes to The Godfather and he says, there's this movie I want, but the producer won't give it to me because he hates my guts.
Starting point is 00:25:28 And of course, Robert Duvall pays the producer a visit in Hollywood and has to come back and give Don Corleone the bad news. And then he finds a dead horse's head in his bed. Best scene, man. Cartoon, his horse. Yeah, that was the offer he couldn't refuse. And then Johnny Fontaine got the role. Frank Sinatra. The story is that the mob got Frank that role,
Starting point is 00:25:49 and he ended up winning the Oscar. Saved his career. Yeah, talk about iconic scenes in great movies, but the horse head scene in The Godfather 1, that's right up there. Yeah, it's a good one. It's been parodied. I think even Lisa's Little Pony on The Simpsons. Yeah. And the horse was in her bed. But everything's been parodied. I think even Lisa's Little Pony on The Simpsons.
Starting point is 00:26:06 And the horse was in her bed. But everything's been parodied. Quick aside, just this last weekend, my two older kids, we watched The Shining because there's a lot of talk of the It. I said, we've got to watch The Shining. So we watched The Shining.
Starting point is 00:26:21 And then the next day, I'm like, okay, we've got to watch The Shining. You've got to watch The Shining, right? From the Treehouse of Horrors. Fantastic parody of The Shining. And then the next day I'm like, okay, we got to watch The Shining. You got to watch The Shining, right? From the Treehouse of Horrors. Fantastic parody of The Shining. You want to get sued, said Willie. It's a great song. The Homer, Dan Castellaneta doing the Homer Go Crazy? Don't mind if I do!
Starting point is 00:26:38 Don't mind if I do! Great animation in that one, but it all comes back to The Simpsons. Let's kick out another Mike Stafford jam. one but it all comes back to the simpsons let's kick out another mike stafford jam What I feel I can't say But my love is up for you Anytime and anywhere It's all love
Starting point is 00:27:27 That you need And I'll try my best To make everything succeed Tell me what is my life Without you, love Tell me what is my life without you. Tell me who am I without you. By my side, all I know. George Harrison, What Is Life?
Starting point is 00:28:03 Yeah, you know what? It could be photographed too, which was Ringo's song, but George wrote it. I don't know. A couple of reasons. First of all, All Things Must Pass is an amazing... I mean, George Harrison, thank God that group broke up so he could shine. This song brings so much joy to me. It's such a joyous song. Whether it's religious or not,
Starting point is 00:28:27 George Harrison never really specified. There's also, you talk iconic movie scenes. My favorite film of all time is Goodfellas. And the scene subtitled, I think, July 15th, 1979, you've got Henry Hill, Ray Liotta, driving around. He's got pasta sauce on at home. His disabled brother's in charge of that.
Starting point is 00:28:47 He's got to get rid of these guns. He's got to get the babysitter to get to Pittsburgh with the cocaine. And he's basically driving around seeing helicopters, and he's just in a paranoia, cocaine-fueled rage. And this song's in the background. I mean, Scorsese and his music is just freaking amazing. Yeah, because isn't it right around then is when the Layla Coda, right? The Coda
Starting point is 00:29:07 from Derek and the Dominoes. Jim Gordon's Layla Coda. That's actually over the... Can I remember the helicopters? Yeah, well, that's when they discovered the bodies after Jimmy Conway's had them all whacked. Okay, right, right, right. Which Jim Gordon was... He's still in
Starting point is 00:29:23 a mental hospital. Jim Gordon's on drums's still in a mental hospital. Jim Gordon's on drums on this, by the way. Wow. Everybody from Derek and the Dominoes, which formed a year after this song, Carl Radel, Bobby Whitlock, Jim Gordon, everybody but Dwayne Allman is playing right now on George Harrison's What Is Life. I didn't know that.
Starting point is 00:29:41 Yeah. And it's funny because our next song is... Well, yeah. To Layla, then back to George here. But I always preferred the Jim Gordon's piano coda to the actual Layla. Like, Layla's a great track, but you can't cut out that coda because I love it. Well, Eric heard him playing. Jim was a drummer.
Starting point is 00:30:00 And, of course, he ended up killing his mother. He became schizophrenic and he's still institutionalized. He also played a little piano. The thing is, unfortunately, because I love the song too, that coda on Layla is beautiful, but he stole it from Rita Coolidge. I did not know that. Rita Coolidge and he were an item. They lived together.
Starting point is 00:30:20 In fact, he beat her up. That's why they split up. But Bobby Whitlock himself has said, I was at their house. Rita was working on a song with Jim called Time. That was the song. He said Jim Gordon stole that from Rita Coolidge. And Time actually shows up on Rita's sister's album of 1973-74. But yeah, unfortunately, Jim Gordon stole that song from Rita Coolidge.
Starting point is 00:30:42 But it's still, it's freaking amazing. As is, this is my amazing. Back to George. This is my favorite Beatles solo song of all time, is What Is Life. During that 90-second clip I shared on Twitter from your show earlier today, you had some remarks to say about John Lennon's Imagine. Would you repeat those for me, please?
Starting point is 00:31:01 You know, listen, it's a great album. I still think Plastic Ono Band was his best solo album with Mother and Working Class Hero and Jealous Guy. I just find Imagine to be bad teenage poetry is what I called it.
Starting point is 00:31:19 I don't think it holds up. I think it was rather naive and I don't have the joy for. I think it was rather naive. And, um, I don't have the joy for imagine that I do for this one, George Harris and a couple of George Harrison's. I mean, photograph is also an amazing song as well, but yeah, I'm not,
Starting point is 00:31:35 I'm not, I'm not a fan. I mean, John Lennon is above reproach, but, uh, that's not my favorite Lennon song. There's been a one jam kicker who has had Imagine on his list.
Starting point is 00:31:48 Let me guess. Go for it. Freddie P. That's correct. That is correct. And on that note, and with all that great chatter about Derek and the Dominoes, let's hear your next jam. guitar solo Bell-bottom blues They make me cry
Starting point is 00:32:20 Not all the blues Is feeling I don't want to lose this feeling If I could choose a place to die It would be in your arms Do you want to see me crawl across the floor? Do you want to see me Cry across the board You Do you want to hear me back You take me back
Starting point is 00:32:53 I dare you do I don't want to Play the world Give me one more day Please I don't wanna fade away In your heart I won't stay You know where I am right now?
Starting point is 00:33:16 Tell me. I'm in Jeff Ward's basement in Brampton in Peel Village. It's 1978. I'm in grade 13, the greatest year of my school life. 18 years of age so I was of age before they made alcohol 19 plus probably with a Bredor beer
Starting point is 00:33:31 because it had just come out of Quebec and it was 6% and you had to get as hammered as you could Mike, right? and I'm sitting on the floor in Jeff's basement it's probably a quarter after 1, someone's put Layla and other love songs on the turntable and we're all half in tears and half piss drunk, singing along with Eric Clapton and this incredibly, incredibly emotional love song.
Starting point is 00:33:54 His best song that isn't Layla. It's Bell Bottom Blues. It's just, it's amazing. I'm there with you, man. That's what I love about music, and that's what I love about kicking out the jams with you, hearing stories like that. And I would have chosen Layla, except it's such an obvious choice, plus Jim Gordon stole the coda,
Starting point is 00:34:11 plus I can never forgive Eric Clapton for that acoustic MTV version. It sounds like I'm in a lounge in Kansas City. Layla. And you couldn't avoid it, because if you went shopping or if you went to the mall, it was just everywhere. Is there a rarer love song than Layla?'s screaming at george harrison's wife to leave him and come with me and then he he makes it sound like i'm in a lounge at the marriott uh you know in the orlando airport yeah yeah but uh bell bottom blues for the wind and what is is it? This is about, isn't this song about George Harrison's wife?
Starting point is 00:34:49 Layla was about Patty Harrison. This song is more about, if you listen to the lyrics, it's a lover quarrel that they're having. And he's saying, you know, he's really conflicted about the fight they're having, and then he realizes to himself, baby, I can't, I can't live without you. I can't live without you.
Starting point is 00:35:09 So that's my interpretation. It's beautiful, man. It's beautiful. It is a beautiful, and you know, Dwayne Allman on slide, he'd gone way too soon,
Starting point is 00:35:15 uh, from that motorcycle accident. Just a beauty. Great album. Great album. If you find me with another lover Do you want to see me cry? I'm all for you Do you want to hear me beg you to take me back? I'm going to put it on you
Starting point is 00:35:59 I don't want to put it on you Give me what you want to play it out Give me what my fate is I don't want to play it out Give me what I'm supposed to I don't want to play it out Give me what my fate is I don't want to play the world. Give me all your pain. You liked that one, didn't you?
Starting point is 00:36:55 There was no chance I was fading it down. That is a, you know, that's something else, man. Man, could that guy write a lyric. Oh. Wow. Let's hear another Mike Stafford jam. Ellie is fine The the sun shines most of the time And the feeling is laid back
Starting point is 00:37:30 Palm trees grow and rents are low But you know I keep thinking about Making my way back Well I'm New York City born and raised But nowadays I'm lost between two shores LA's fine, but it ain't home New York's home, but it ain't mine no more I am myself to no one there.
Starting point is 00:38:14 And no one heard at all, not even the chair. I love that. That's some existential shit, man. Not even the chair. What the hell does that mean, Neil? Neil Diamond, I am I said. You asked a song from my mom. And at her memorial that we had after she passed,
Starting point is 00:38:41 we had basically Carole King's Tapestry on loop because that was the album that reminds me most of Mom. She was a Carole King fanatic. Tapestry gets sold a zillion copies. But this has a story. My 12th birthday, August 10th, 1972, Mike. And Mom's bringing the gifts out. And one of them's obviously an LP. They were hard to disguise.
Starting point is 00:39:08 So I rip the paper off, and there's a picture of this guy I didn't recognize sitting on a stone bench in front of what looks like some sort of friar's castle. It's Neil Diamond, the album Stones, which came out in November 1971. I Am, I Said became a hit in April of 72. God love her.
Starting point is 00:39:29 She got the album. She wanted it. She goes, do you like Neil Diamond? I said, I don't know who he is, Mom. Oh, then I'll take it. So she bought herself an album for my 12th birthday. It happened to be Neil Diamond's Stones. And it's cheesy, but I do love this song.
Starting point is 00:39:48 I mean, the man could write a song. If I had to pick a Carole King song, it wouldn't be off tapestry. It would be, I think, one of the most salacious songs of the early 60s called Will You Still Love Me Tomorrow. She wrote that with Joffin, her husband at the time. Because it's not I Want to Hold Your Hand. It's not one of these
Starting point is 00:40:09 teenage necking songs. That song, Will You Still Love Me Tomorrow from Carole King is about a couple sleeping together. And for its time, because tonight you're mine completely, but will you still love me tomorrow? It's kind of like the meatloaf paradise.
Starting point is 00:40:26 I'm out of hell. I mean, paradise by dashboard, exactly. It's very much that way. Will you love me forever? Will you leave me? Yeah, exactly. So, yeah, that's mom because, man, did you ever screw me out of a 12th birthday? That's a great move, though.
Starting point is 00:40:39 I know. I'm thinking I could do that. Oh, you don't like it? I'll take it. Oh, here's a remastered Public Enemy. It takes a nation of millions to hold us back, Michelle. That's strong. Do you like that?
Starting point is 00:40:50 Let me take it off your hands for a bit. But thank you for doing that. I wanted you to play a song for your mom. Neil Diamond, you described it perfectly well. Cheesy, but something about it that you just enjoy it and you want to sing along. Yeah, and again, it's 1972. It's of its time as well. And the guy's
Starting point is 00:41:07 still rocking. He's still filling the ACC and stuff like that. And I'm kind of ticked that the Red Sox have sort of taken on Sweet Caroline as their anthem, which has ruined it for those of us who actually greatly despise the Boston Red Sox. Very much so. It's still a better song than
Starting point is 00:41:23 what's ours? Ooga Chugga? Yeah, I don't know. Chugged on a feeling, I think, is the chase. Yeah, something like that. But thank you for that, Neil Diamond. I am, I said,
Starting point is 00:41:32 let's kick out another jam. Well, I woke up Sunday morning With no way to hold my head That didn't hurt And the beer I had for breakfast wasn't bad, so I had one more for dessert. Then I fumbled in my closet through my clothes and found my cleanest dirty shirt. my cleanest dirty shirt. Then I washed my face and combed my hair
Starting point is 00:42:10 and stumbled down the stairs to meet the day. I'd smoked my mind the night before with cigarettes and songs I'd been picking. With cigarettes and songs I'd been picking But I lit my first and watched a small kid Playing with a can that he was kicking
Starting point is 00:42:36 Then I walked across the street And caught the Sunday smell of someone's frying chicken And Lord, it took me back to something that I lost somewhere, somehow along the way the way On a Sunday morning sidewalk I'm wishing, Lord, that I was stoned Cause there's something
Starting point is 00:43:17 in a Sunday That makes a body feel alone You know, I saw something on Facebook the other day, Mike, it said, picture Johnny Cash. You either like Johnny Cash or you're an idiot. That's pretty good. I'm not a country music fan,
Starting point is 00:43:36 and I wrote that in the list I sent you in the email. I first heard this song watching an episode of Columbo. Johnny Cash was playing a country singer, much like himself, who ends up killing his wife. And he's in the backyard, and Columbo's over to talk to him, but Johnny just gets his guitar, and he starts playing this song. And I thought, that's a beautiful song. And it was written by Chris Christopherson,
Starting point is 00:44:02 who has a story just unbelievable. The man was a Rhodes Scholar. He was like an Army specialist paratroop. I mean, the guy is just, he's got to be 80 now. But this song reminds me, because as you would know, back in the 80s and 90s with CFNY, and we had a lot of late nights. This, to me, is a July morning. It's Sunday.
Starting point is 00:44:26 I've been in a club or I've fallen asleep on somebody's couch and I'm walking to the DuPont subway station to get the hell home so I can shower and I can't stand the sun in my eyes. It's a Sunday morning coming down. Yes. And yeah, it's just a beautiful song
Starting point is 00:44:45 and Johnny Johnny's just amazing you mentioned you know you're not a country music fan but you love this track and I have
Starting point is 00:44:52 that's exactly right about Johnny Cash like I personally don't like many country songs but almost every everything this guy sings I like something about it something about
Starting point is 00:45:02 his timbre and his voice and how he turns the phrase. And later in his career, he did those American recordings. Yep. I just watched, and I don't know if you've seen it, have you seen the Tom Petty documentary on Netflix? No, I hear it's great.
Starting point is 00:45:16 Watch it, it's great. I just watched it, and of course there's that part where they talk about how Johnny Cash covered Won't Back Down for his American recordings, and Tom made this comment about how it's his song now. Like that now is Johnny's song. And I heard the exact same thing from, what's the name? Trent Reznor said the exact same thing about Hurt.
Starting point is 00:45:35 Something about the way Johnny Cash performed. I'm so glad Rick Rubin and Trent gave him that sort of coda to his career in the 90s. Because, you know, if it got one kid to maybe listen to, you know, some of this stuff like this, I mean, it's just beautiful. I mean, it worked for me because, yeah, I mean, he was doing Soundgarden songs.
Starting point is 00:45:54 So, of course, I have to check it out now. Like, what's he going to do? Rusty Cage and Holy Smokes. Then you start kind of, it's your way, your gateway into the world of Johnny Cash or those American recordings. Yeah. If you're a kid like me.
Starting point is 00:46:06 Awesome. Thank you for that. Let's hear another Stafford Jam. The phone don't ring, no, no And the sun refused to shine Never thought I'd have to pay so dearly For what was already mine For such a long, long time We made mellow shadow love
Starting point is 00:46:53 Random love and abandoned love Accidentally like a martyr The hurt gets worse and the hurt gets harder. We made mellow, shadow low, random love and abandoned love. Accidentally, like a martyr. The heart gets worse and the heart gets harder Warren Zevon,
Starting point is 00:47:29 Accidentally Like a Murder. This is from his album Excitable Boy, which more people would know werewolves of London, which is amazing because it's Mick Fleetwood and Mick V on bass.
Starting point is 00:47:44 This is Linda Ronstadt singing in the background with Jackson Brown. What a mad musical genius. I mean, what demons. I read his wife's biography about Warren. Holy shit. I thought I was an asshole with, you know, messing around,
Starting point is 00:47:59 booze and stuff like that. I mean, how this guy didn't die a lot earlier. Unfortunately, he was taken still far too soon. Diagnosed with methothelioma, whatever that afternoon commercial TV stuff, you know, for the defense lawyers. It was his dentist who discovered it because he didn't like going to the doctors. No, I just recently revisited that final appearance on David Letterman.
Starting point is 00:48:28 Yeah, it's fabulous, isn't it? I'm tearing up. I mean, I don't want to steal your thunder here. I think David just asked him, like, when you find out the end is nigh or whatever, any advice? And he said, enjoy every sandwich. That was his closing remark. Enjoy every sandwich. Enjoy Every Sandwich. That was his closing remark. Enjoy Every Sandwich. You watch that and you go,
Starting point is 00:48:48 my God, he's reached that level, I guess, of acceptance. Yep. And I love the fact, the other song I would have chosen, but this is such a beautiful romantic song, is the last song he ever performed live was on that show.
Starting point is 00:49:00 It was Roland the Headless Thompson Gunman. And Letterman, huge fan of Warren Zevon as well. So, yeah. Excitable Boys, just an amazing album. Just amazing. I mean, other than Werewolves of London, of course, which everybody knows,
Starting point is 00:49:14 my first exposure to Warren Zevon was the Larry Sanders show. Yes. Do you remember that? Yeah. And it's like, he was amazing in that episode. And then kind of bookending that with as many David Letterman appearances. Maybe he had the demons, of course, but a cool cat and a musical genius. He cleaned himself up.
Starting point is 00:49:34 And I think he used to fill in when Schaefer couldn't do piano some nights. He would lead the band. But yeah, that's a great... If you haven't seen that, it's on YouTube. Warren Zevon. David gives them the whole hour. It's a really, really great... Yeah, and I just revisit on YouTube. Warren Zevon. Dave gives them the whole hour. It's a really, really great show. Yeah, and I just revisit on YouTube.
Starting point is 00:49:47 Watch that. You're right. He got the whole episode, and it was just, you'll cry, so have some Kleenexes. And he didn't live. I don't believe he lived long enough to have to watch Kid Rock destroy his werewolves of London with his Sweet Home Alabama mashup or whatever. All summer long. All summer long, which
Starting point is 00:50:05 is a bit of a guilty pleasure, only because when I hear it, I like to hear the... It's a fun song. Yeah. I know, and I don't think I should be liking this, and I always feel a little guilty. I'm not supposed to be enjoying this. No, you're not supposed to enjoy anything that Kid Rock does, but that's a pretty
Starting point is 00:50:22 damn good mashup. I took my mom to see Kid Rock at the Molson Amphitheater because I had a ticket, and I can't remember, like at the last minute, I didn't know when to take it. I took my mom. I thought, hey, there's some country stuff there. Like there's some Sheryl Crow country-esque stuff that kind of comes in.
Starting point is 00:50:36 He's not just going to do Bawitaba or whatever. You know what I mean? But I remember there was a lot of bikers. That was a big biker scene. It actually was a thoroughly enjoyable show. Yeah. A lot of Trump supporters. Yes.
Starting point is 00:50:50 I would assume, too. The Michigan militia and stuff like that. But yeah. Yeah. No, it was nice to see the Zivana State get some royalties from that mashup from Kid Rock, for sure. Yeah. That's a good way to look at it.
Starting point is 00:51:03 Let's hear another jam. Eye to eye, stand winner than loser Hurt by envy, cut by greed Face to face with their own disillusion The scarred and bowed romances still on their sheets And when blow by blow the passion dies Little death just happens like Memories of long gone times But still recall the life The first cut won't hurt at all
Starting point is 00:52:11 The second only makes you wonder The third will have you on your knees You stop bleeding, I start screaming Yeah, I had to come up with something from the CFNY days, and this was the toughest one. Why the hell do I not have New Order here? Why do I not have Joy Division? Why do I not have The Jam? Why do I not have The Jam? Why do I not even have Style Count?
Starting point is 00:52:47 Where's the Smiths? The Smiths wasn't a huge please, please let me get what I want. I still think it's one of the greatest songs ever written. Never a huge Smiths guy, but mostly because the girls loved him. Marcy's a kid.
Starting point is 00:53:04 Tortured souls. Yeah, exactly. But I picked Propaganda, and this is a song called Duel, because I was a huge fan of Trevor Horn's production in the early 80s. He had some tum-tum records,
Starting point is 00:53:17 played with Asia for a while, and produced just... Frankie goes to Hollywood, Propaganda. The man was a machine, and this is classic Trevor Horn synth hits, heavy bass. I don't know if Claudia Brooker even speaks English, but she's phonetically giving us the lyrics to this. I had to choose something, Mike,
Starting point is 00:53:37 and propaganda's duels have always been a favorite of mine, so there you go. CF and Y 80s track. There's a whole genre for people who grew up in toronto we call them you know cfy 80s tracks it's like that's your it's a good descriptor actually and just i know we covered this in your previous episode but just to take us back while we let uh propaganda go here is uh what you were on uh the pete and geats show yep on cfny yep And you were doing news. I was in news. Freddie did sports, yep.
Starting point is 00:54:06 Fred Patterson from Humble and Fred, pre-Humble, did the sports updates. And those were good times in your professional life? Seven glorious years. Seven glorious years. First full-time gig, February 4th, 1980, doing the mornings. Pete and Geats were at the CN Tower.
Starting point is 00:54:25 We were broadcasting from the little house on Ellen Street, not the CFNY house. And this is the actual yellow house, right? This is not the strip mall that comes later. This is the CFNY house. That was down the street at Main and Bodden. We were up at Ellen Street. It's now, I think, a florist. And we're all hooked up with telephone wires and broadcast lines and stuff like that.
Starting point is 00:54:44 And we're all hooked up with telephone wires and broadcast lines and stuff like that. But yeah, and then the boys finally came and we all moved to 83 Kennedy South above Spanky's Restaurant. And just freaking glorious years. Just unbelievably glorious. Another jam kicker. I think you're only like 14. This is still early days for kicking out the jams. But Ivor Hamilton came out. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:55:03 Came over to kick out the jams. Did he run? Did he run over here? Yeah, I heard he was, yeah, he's done a lot of marathons. He's like Forrest Gump now. He doesn't stop running. He's always running. I thought of him when Lou Skeezes came over because these are men who at one point were very large and there's less of them now. Unbelievable.
Starting point is 00:55:18 I was at the Bradford Rib Fest with Lou a couple of weeks ago, a month or so ago, and he looks, yeah, he's lost a whack load of weight. I like the way he phrased it on your show. He sheds some beef. He sheds some beef. He's still digging the pig, but he sheds some beef. I'll tell you. That's right.
Starting point is 00:55:34 But Ivor lost a ton of weight, and he's kept it up. He runs marathons and stuff now, and it was interesting to hear his jams as well. So, by the way, of all the tracks you sent me, I think this might have been the toughest to track down, maybe. It's kind of obscure.
Starting point is 00:55:53 Like, I don't think it's well-known. Yeah, I mean, I have it on vinyl. There was also a much longer, as everyone put out, the extended mix back then. It seems that you couldn't release a record without having the 12-inch extended. Yeah, this is not a very well-known song. Although it's funny because we played it on CFNY. Obviously, I was stunned when I heard Chum FM playing it. Okay, so Chum played it too. Chum FM played it.
Starting point is 00:56:16 Because that was like album-oriented. Yeah, in the 80s, they had moved away from the AOR because Q owned that demo. And there was a brief time that Chum FM was trying to go up against CFNY. I think Ivor confirmed this. They were starting to throw like New Order into the playlist and stuff like that.
Starting point is 00:56:34 Okay, okay. And they abandoned that and then just did what they do best, which is, you know, I call it office music. Non-offensive, that kind of thing. Roger Ashby is a great guy, by the way. He's been here.
Starting point is 00:56:48 Yeah, good man. Just like yourself, I forgot to take a photo with him. But unlike him, I get to fix that today. Oh, beautiful. We'll get a photo after. All right, let's kick out another jam. This is a jam where you suggested I remove a piece from the beginning, and I stubbornly refused. So let's hear your next jam.
Starting point is 00:57:07 We take you now to a garage in Tenochtitlán. It wasn't very large There was just enough room to cram the drums in the corner over by the Dodge.
Starting point is 00:57:26 It was a 54 with a mashed up door and a cheesy little lamp. With a sign on the front said Bender Champ and a second hand guitar. It was a Stratocaster with a whammy bar. We could jam in Joe's garage His mama was screaming and his dad was mad We was playing the same old song In the afternoon And sometimes we would play it all night long
Starting point is 00:57:58 It was all we knew and easy to do So we wouldn't get it wrong All we did was bend the string like Frank Zappa, Joe's Garage. Zappa at his most accessible, I think. Agreed. You could hear this on the radio, and like most Zappa, Joe's Garage. Zappa at his most accessible, I think. Agreed. You could hear this on the radio, and like most Zappa stuff, which was never going to get airplay, I would say.
Starting point is 00:58:32 Well, there are a few other tracks off Joe's Garage I could have brought with you to you today that might upset some people, but... I love the song. The album as itself is a concept album because it's actually three albums, Joe's Garage, Act 1, and Act 2, and Act 3. It's a concept album about a very dystopian future,
Starting point is 00:58:51 which is pretty realistic today because there are societies that frown on music. They find it to be sinful, and that's what the concept of Joe's Garage was. Frank said it best, though. This is just a song. Joe's Garage, the lead song, is about every shitty garage band
Starting point is 00:59:08 that has ever been formed. I mean, you listen to them in the background. They're horrible. But the thing is, ironically, Mike, Frank himself was a master perfectionist. If you were a member of his band, you had to be good because he really didn't put up with bad musicianship.
Starting point is 00:59:26 And you can hear it in every Frank Zappa composition. There's an instrumental on this album called Eastern Watermelon Hay that's just freaking incredibly complex. I mean, just amazing guitar. Got a quick Zappa story. Yeah, please. Pete Griffin back at Chum FM when Pete was there. And I think Frank was
Starting point is 00:59:45 Overnight Sensation or Apostrophe had just come out, and he was in Toronto, and he was in Chum, and he went out for dinner with Peter afterwards, and the late Pete Griffin was telling me the story, what a prick Zappa was. They sit down, Frank orders
Starting point is 01:00:01 some wine, and he just spits out every glass he gets. This is garbage. Oh, sorry, sir. Apparently, 15, 16 bottles were brought to that table. Wow. And just Frank was doing it because he could. Just because he could.
Starting point is 01:00:17 And again, he, much like Oren Zevon, gone far too soon. Prostate cancer. Son of a bitch disease. gone far too soon prostate cancer son of a bitch disease Frank Zappa I again another Netflix doc
Starting point is 01:00:29 I watched fairly recently on Zappa where you mentioned him being a perfectionist and everything and then I mean he was conducting
Starting point is 01:00:35 orchestras like classical music at the end of his life like this was a true musician and that he had that great appearance on I think it was Crossfire
Starting point is 01:00:44 like CNN's Crossfire where he's arguing against censorship. He's brilliant, too. Yeah, brilliant. Very, very smart man. Sharp as a tack. And, you know. Oh, Al Gore, that's right. Tipper Gore and that whole.
Starting point is 01:00:55 She started it. Yeah, that was. And I remember, I think it was my wife's mother was so impressed. She saw him testifying to Congress, and she thought, oh, who's this long-haired hippie? No, the guy's got his smarts. He knows what he's talking about. Very smart guy.
Starting point is 01:01:12 Joe's Garage. And you're right, gone way too soon. And some people still only know him really for, is it the Valley Girl song? Yeah, well, you know, the Zappa family will always thank Frank for writing that because it's made them a lot of money. You're not the first person to put a Frank Zappa track on his jam list.
Starting point is 01:01:32 Who else? Mark Hebbshire. Hebbsie had a Zappa? Hebbsie has a Zappa, and if I were on the ball, I'd tell you which one it was, but I do not remember. I just remember it was not as structured as this one. This one sounds like something you might actually, you know, be able to... It's very accessible.
Starting point is 01:01:50 Accessible is a good word for it. And Hep C's was less accessible. A little more of that jazzy kind of improv-y. Yeah, you know, it sounds a bit to me in my untrained ear as a noise, dare I say. Could be. Could be. But who am I to question Zappa? And there were two versions
Starting point is 01:02:08 of this, so I always try to get the exact version that should belong on your list. And there were two versions. The one that is on the album, and there's actually a slightly different modified single version for the radio edit. They take out the central scrutinizer. Yeah, this, I
Starting point is 01:02:24 guess. Oh, this extended coda. Yeah. With the mother screaming, the cops showing up. Yeah, he was a smart guy gone way too soon. You could use Frank Zappa right now. Yeah. I mean, the guy was one of the world-renowned experts on Edgar Varys. I mean, he just, you know, and he wrote Catholic Girls. Right. It's incredible. That was Joe's first confrontation with the law.
Starting point is 01:03:00 Naturally, we were easy on him. Naturally, we were easy on him. One of our friendly counselors gave him a donut and told him to stick closer to church-oriented social activities. I don't think that was on the radio edit. No, no. I mean, it's a very anti-religious album, too. I'll tell you. Wow.
Starting point is 01:03:25 Let's kick out another jam. I never knew how complete I could be Till she kissed me and said, baby, please Go away love could be Raspberries go all the way. Just don't be crying. Don't let me go. The raspberries go all the way. I talked about this on my show today because I didn't want to give away my number one. This is my number two. I consider it the greatest power pop song ever written. Power pop, of course, the genre genre i think the who for power pop uh big star the alex chilton band i've always been
Starting point is 01:04:51 a fan of power pop rather than some of the other more romantic stuff uh it's hard to believe that this group was out of cleveland that's eric carman who was lead singer and was the lead of the raspberries of course all by myself uh hungry eyes right patrick swayze movie right yeah out of uh now this song go all the way if it wasn't it had to be in guardians of the galaxy on his mixtape it had to be it's just one of those 70s songs that uh i forget the character's name and guardians. Space Man or whatever. Space Traveler. This is a song that takes me back to 1974 and those hot and heavy make-out sessions on the couch. Of course.
Starting point is 01:05:33 I wasn't sexually active in terms of going all the way at the time, but the whole idea and the lyric of, she's telling me to go all the way, but I don't know what to do. What goes where? So it's just a, I don't know. I put together a bit of a joyous list today. That's so unlike me.
Starting point is 01:05:55 You know, I often say you learn a lot about somebody, having them talk about why they love the songs they love. Sometimes that cheerful, happy-go-lucky person brings songs like they're all suicide anthems, you know what I mean? Yeah, I know. And it doesn't necessarily mean that they, you know, it's just, it touches them in a certain way. This song just, I don't know, it's just got that mojo.
Starting point is 01:06:17 It's still good, and I still can't believe it's Eric Carman. Hungry eyes, oh man. I remember that one. I have a friend that's his cell phone ring tune from his wife. Oh, that's great. That's great. Sorry, Ryan. The Raspberries
Starting point is 01:06:35 are, speaking of obscurity, you don't hear much about the Raspberries these days. I mean, I read and listen to a lot of stuff about greatest bands of this, that, and the other, and the Raspberries are days. I mean, I read and listen to a lot of stuff about greatest bands of this, that, and the other, and the Raspberries are overlooked. They flamed. I think they were done by, well, when did All By Myself
Starting point is 01:06:51 come out? Like, 76? They were done by then. They were huge in Cleveland, and of course Cleveland has the rock and roll reputation and some great music stations at the time, and they made a few appearances on the Mike Douglas show and some of those 70s staples, Merv Griffin.
Starting point is 01:07:08 And then Eric became a solo artist and did okay by himself. That all by myself is speaking of guilty pleasures. I shouldn't be singing this at the top of my lungs, but you really can't help it. Yeah, as long as you got the car windows up so no one else can hear you, but I hear you, brother. That's right. All right, thank you for not spoiling this
Starting point is 01:07:27 because we're going to listen to your number one track and I can't wait to hear... I can't explain why I'm doing it. I have no idea why I chose this. If we don't have anything to say, it's a great track to just listen to, but let's hear your final jam. It's a god-awful small affair to the girl with the mousy hair but her mommy is yelling no
Starting point is 01:07:53 and her daddy has told her to go but her friend is nowhere to be seen now she walks through her sunken dream To the seat with the clearest view And she's hooked to the silver screen But the film is a sad thing for
Starting point is 01:08:17 For she's lived it ten times or more She could spit in the eyes of fools As they ask her to focus on Singers fighting in the dance hall Oh man, look at those cavemen go It's the freakiest show
Starting point is 01:08:41 Take a look at the long town Feeding off the wrong guy Oh man, wonder if you'll ever know Who's in the best selection Is there life on Mars? Life on Mars, David Bowie. I'm Hunky Dory. Great album. And Mike, I could have picked Starman, Five Years,
Starting point is 01:09:17 Moon Age Daydream, Station to Station, anything up to and including the Let's Dance album. I don't know why this song affects me. Coming full circle, though, we started with Frank Sinatra, right? Right. Number 10. Bowie's always said that this was his Frank song. He wrote this in his apartment at a grand piano with an overflowing ashtray,
Starting point is 01:09:40 and it's got a very cabaret feel jacques brell kind of thing and he even on hunky dory he mentions he says thanks frank or for frank um a striking video for its time of just him in a in a white face with a blue suit and i don't know if you saw the bbc series freaking amazing called life on mars i i have not freaking amazing, called Life on Mars. I have not. Freaking amazing. And it was followed up with a sequel called Ashes to Ashes, so obviously a lot of Bowie influence. The last jam kicker was Lowest of the Low, and they brought Ashes to Ashes by David Bowie.
Starting point is 01:10:17 Fantastic song. And a follow-up to Space Oddity. But this song, I can't tell you why, it's my favorite song of all time. That's something, eh? You can't explain why? No. You just like what you like. And I love David Bowie, and there's a lot more sophisticated Bowie, there's different periods of Bowie. I love Hunky Dory's album.
Starting point is 01:10:44 Ziggy Stardust is my favorite album from first to last song ever, and that will never change. But this one particular track, and it might be the fact that it's very theatrical, it's very cabaret, and as David admitted, it's very Frank Sinatra. So see what I did there, Mike? I took it full circle from song number 10 to song number 1.
Starting point is 01:11:06 That's why you're the professional. I did it unwittingly, too. Imagine that. Some of the best things are by accident. Yeah. Remember that. That was a lot of fun. Mike, I got to say, thank you for doing this.
Starting point is 01:11:19 Anytime you want a six-pack, I'll be on Lakeshore holding a six-pack, and if nobody beats me up for it, it's all yours. That is quite likely to happen if I don't arrive in time. Some guy on his scooter with his flag on the back. Great pleasure. I always enjoy the kick out of the jams, but I realize with a
Starting point is 01:11:37 Jeopardy! finalist like yourself, I'm going to get some amazing little fun facts. I learned about the coda and everything, and it was just great to hear you tell the stories. One of my daily doubles was a music question, eh, that I missed? What was it? It was songs that come and go,
Starting point is 01:11:55 meaning they had either come, go in the title or both. Title of this 1961 hit. Dum-dum-dum-dum-dum-dee-doo-dee-dum Dum-dum-dum-dum-dum-dum-de-do-de-dum. Come go with me. You know, I was just now, what is the name of that thing? I remember listening to it on happy days. Right. So I lost the question.
Starting point is 01:12:15 I got $2,000 and lost it. I'm driving back to LAX after staying in LA for the Jeopardy appearance. I'm in my rented Renault Alliance. And damn it if that song doesn't come on the radio. The Cosmic Ballet goes on. And that. Thank you for the beer and for the property in the six pint glasses. No problem.
Starting point is 01:12:37 I'm going to beat you up in a minute for that jacket, that Las Palos. Las Palos Hermanos. Yeah, freaking bad jacket. The Chicken Brothers, yes. And that brings us to the end of our 265th show. You can follow me on Twitter. I'm at Toronto Mike. By the way, Mike, I had somebody tweet at me saying,
Starting point is 01:12:55 is Lugan640 really you? Like they thought it might be a parody account or something because some outlandish things were being tweeted from it. But you can now confirm for the record that you are Lugan640. I am at Lugan640. I tried to get it verified with the check sign. They wouldn't do it for me. So screw you, Twitter.
Starting point is 01:13:15 Now I don't feel so bad because they won't do it for me either. Our friends at Great Lakes Brewery are at Great Lakes Beer and propertyinthesix.com is at Brian Gerstein. See you all next week. is coming up rosy and gray yeah the wind is cold but the smell of snow won't stay today and your smile is fine

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