Toronto Mike'd: The Official Toronto Mike Podcast - Mike Trebilcock from The Killjoys: Toronto Mike'd #772

Episode Date: December 16, 2020

Mike chats with Mike Trebilcock about founding The Killjoys... lots of Killjoys chatter with some Simply Saucer and Sematary Spawn tossed in for good measure.

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Welcome to Toronto Mike. Mike! Thank you very much. Good to be here. We play this game we did it recently over the kitchen table where my 16 year old, she had a website. It's like the most popular names of each decade.

And you know where I'm going here. But the 1960s, no, is it 50? Maybe 50s it might have been we were number two. I think James was one. But for the 60s, 70s, 80s, and 90s. That's a good run. That's 40 years. The number one name for North American males was Mike. It's the Muhammad of the West, I think.

I think that's the way to look at it. There's a lot of us, right? It's too much, right? I don't know what your experience was like, but it was just, you know, every time I hear Mike, I don't even respond because what are the odds it's me yeah I don't know I you know what's what's in a name really it's just what people what people have chosen to call you well did you decide you'd be a Mike instead of a Michael like how did you make that call

I don't know I you know I've tried Michael a couple of a Michael? Like, how did you make that call? I don't know. You know, I've tried Michael a couple of times, but it just seems so pretentious. Right. Michael. Yeah. No offense to any Michaels out there.

Of course, I'm not calling you pretentious, but, you know. No, I know what you mean, man. For me, just for me, it didn't feel comfortable. I agree a hundred percent. So, um, I had Michael Landsberg on the show and I asked him that question and he said, Mike, he goes, Mike, that's the guy who fixes my car. And to him, that was the bad thing. That's what I, that's what I, that's what I was saying. Exactly the same thing. And it's funny how that's like, so that was Michael Landsberg. That's his reasoning for why he should be a Michael instead of a Mike. But to me,

that's exactly why I wanted to be a Mike. Yeah. Yeah. I'm with you. Obviously. And where do we find you today? Are you, are you in the hammer? Whereabouts are you? I am usually in the hammer. Yeah. I'm in the Hammer today. And yeah, that's where I live. Yeah. Thinking of like Tom Wilson, like there's a pretty cool scene in Hamilton of musicians. And more so now, I think. Now, it used to be,

because my buddy Ralph Ben-Murgy moved there because he said he couldn't afford to live in Toronto anymore. But I've been looking at real estate prices. And shout out to Sammy Cohn, who's the drummer for for the watchman because he could help you out with that but uh like it looks like hamilton's pretty damn expensive now too it's getting that way yeah uh yeah but in ways it's getting better in ways it's getting worse it used to be the reason that there's so many musicians and artists in hamilton is that it was cheap for so many years right uh so i i guess it's going to change a little bit uh but uh you know we've got we've we have tom wilson just speaking of musicians that

we uh the teenage head guys uh forgotten rebels um cool scene man like it's a it's a cool scene so the arkells of course the arkells new stuff yeah it's uh it's a good it's a good place to be for artists and we're all uh supportive of each other it's not really a competition it's uh it's any way we can help each other out we do it so yeah it's kind of nice. So you're a Hamilton guy. I'm going to just play something pre-Killjoys to kind of spark the combo here. So let's listen to a little swinging ponytail here. Hold on. I never known it could have been any better If I'd never seen that look in her eyes

She was cool in her dark dress waiting for a winner To be taken out the little disguise Well, her hair was a fountain full of gold From the ground as I waded through her belly-gunned eyes And it swang in a turn as she walked up to me And offered me a candy smile Well, that sweet and funny day was the last thing I seen Well, that sweet and funny day was the last thing that she walked out on me Dude, that's a great jam, man.

Like, tell us, tell the listenership, what are we listening to there? Well, that was the Monday Nuns. That was a band, like you say, before the Killjoys. Hmm. What can I say about that song? I always think about,

there was something about the science of a ponytail and how it swings. How, you know, why doesn't a ponytail go, you know, up and down, I guess, like as they're walking forward. Right. It goes back and forth like a pendulum. So that's kind of an odd, I don't know, an odd physics question. But somebody figured it out. I think it's, you know, an odd physics question. But somebody figured it out. I think it's out now. But yeah, so that was the band.

It used to be the Monday Nuns with a U, Monday. And then one of the guys left. The original, I was just the guitar player. So when he left, I changed the U to an O. And we became the Monday Nuns spelled, you know, the normal way. And, you know, and so we just, you know, after he quit, we just sort of went on. And then we went through, we didn't really go through a lot of changes from there. I mean, it sounds Killjoys-esque, I guess.

We got a little bit heavier. And we just sort of continued on. It's just the Killjoys were the same, it was me and the drummer. So, you know, the same core personnel, I guess. And we just sort of continued from there. Now, this is, I think this jam's from 1991, or thereabouts anyways.

So did the Monday Nuns, like, did they get some local radio play? Like, what kind of heights did they reach in the early 90s? There was some radio play. I mean, it was weird at the time, you know, the 80s and early 90s. It was all snail mail and, you know, mailing your cassette out to college radio and university radio. And there was no real way to tell if they were playing or not. I assume they were playing the heck out of it. But I know that it got some play on CFMU, which is the local McMaster radio station.

So the heights are a little bit vague but there were some heights well you know listening to it now like with my 2020 ears it would it would fit alongside a song from uh up to here by the tragically hip for example like it's got that kind of that bluesy kind of rock kind of vibe to it. Like it's, it's, it's, it's a radio friendly jam for sure. Like, I don't know why Q wasn't playing. Why wasn't Q spinning the hell out of Swingin' Ponytown? You might not have even sent it there. I mean, we might've thought that those were, those were, those heights were too high.

Right. So we probably, I think we just sent, it was only cassette. It wasn't really a, it was non-vinyl or anything like that. We were on the, you know, the cheapest format, home taped cassettes. Right. And home letra-setted cassette covers. And, you know, using clippings out of magazines and, you know, that the way we used to do it that's that's punk man just like the great legacy of the hamilton punk bands uh we referenced earlier that's

that's the way to go man so so the monday that's how i roll so so tell us like be specific here so the monday nuns you got a couple of members of the Monday Nuns, including yourself, that, you know, formed the Killjoys. So maybe tell us a little bit about how the Monday Nuns, how you leave Monday Nuns and start up the Killjoys. Well, like I said, it's sort of a, it was a continuation. It wasn't really a leaving. I don't think anyone, I mean, some people quit, I guess, the original bass. We had

a couple of bass players who ended up not carrying on, we'll put it that way. And we had a new guitar player and a new bass player. We just thought that we would change that. It was more of a name change than a personnel change, really. So the songs were songs were still you know after the original songwriter had left the songs were now all all my songs so right uh i guess maybe a lot of it a lot of the change was that they were now all my songs it's fair to say then that you know the the monday nuns you were kind of a hired gun if you will you. You know, it sounds like, but, but, but the kill joys is your, that's yours. Like you're the straw that stirs that drink.

That's right. That's right. So, okay. So I got to ask about, I take it, you didn't name, I mean, it sounds like you turned the U to an O, but you didn't name the Monday nuns. No, I didn't. That was a guy named Dave Pomfret. He was the original songwriter in that band. And he was, you know, it was him and the drummer again. That was the core of that band. Right. And who names the Killjoys? That was a guitar player that we had, Mike Daly. Another Mike.

Another Mike. Yeah, that's right. And he just came up, you know, we, another Mike, another Mike. Yeah, that's right. Uh, and he just came up, you know, we're sitting in, uh, we, we thought we, it was time to change the name and we were sitting in a coffee shop as bands do or in Hamilton. Anyway, it's Tim Hortons is sort of the, the, uh, or it was the hub of, uh, of gatherings and meetings, band meetings and, and, uh, other various, uh, meetings in Tim Hortons. But we were just looking at things. We almost got called the napkin holders or the, uh, you know, cause you're just looking at stuff. Naming bands is really not an easy thing to do. And so, and he just came up with the word, uh, with the word killjoys, and we just thought that sounded cool, not knowing that there was a Killjoys in Britain in the 70s, a punk band. There was also, at the same time, there was a band in Australia called the Killjoys.

And again, you're pleading ignorance. You didn't know about these other kill joys because there was no uh internet database you could search there was no internet there's really no way to know what you know we would have chosen something else had we known so we had to you know change the name we got a release in australia we had to change it to i wanted to go with killjoys 90210, but they wouldn't go for it. So I think it was just Killjoys North America

or something boring like that. And now, of course, your SEO, your search engine optimization is completely ruined by the TV show Killjoys, right? That's right. You're a tough, and I feel it's almost like, it's kind of like if you think about monday nuns with the u that's sort of like the internet friendly move that lincoln park did where lincoln park changed the spelling of lincoln so they could own their domain

and own their you know name via seo and monday nuns of the u is not such a bad idea in this age of like uh retrospect yeah, yeah, that was probably the better. But, you know, there's Monday nuns. I don't know if there's any Monday nuns either. I don't really know. Like, Monday's spelled properly, but... Yeah, that's a good question. I would

bet against it. It's one worse than Monday with a U, as far as optimization goes. Yeah. And that's, you know, that show Killjoys is a Canadian show. Do you know that? Yeah. Oh, they knew. They totally knew. They knew what they were doing. And it sucks because like, even if you're,

let's say I'm going to Google Killjoys music, let's say, it still shows like songs that appear in the TV show first. Like, I mean, where's the respect for this? Well, they've got the bucks behind them, right? The other one is My Chemical Romance. I guess their fan base are called Killjoys. Oh, I didn't know that one. So that was one for a while that we had to contend with.

Anyway, we're going to get to all this because I'm going to kick out a jam right now with you. I would say this is the first Killjoys song I ever heard. All right. There's a shadow creeping Stole the old and everything And one more shadow Don't help it All right, kudos to you, Mike, for this jam, which I would consider

a seminal 90s Canadian alt-rock jam. I still love it here in 2020, but today I hate everyone. Awesome. It's a useful song in certain situations, absolutely. We recorded that in Hamilton above a shoe store, a studio above a shoe store,

so you could actually hear the pounding of the shoe guy and the traffic outside the window, which we actually used in a couple of places on the record. We just hung a mic out the window. So that was down on John Street. You know, that would have been 92, I guess, something like that, that we recorded it in with a guy named Tim Hevesy. What was the studio called? Soho Common Recording House. I think that's what

it was called. So to be clear, like you record this independently and do you have to, do you re-record it when Warner gets involved with Starry or how did, tell us that story because Starry was an indie album, right? Very indie indie yeah so we we recorded it i think it was a 16 track it was on tape it was uh no automation we were the automation we had to do all our own moves we called them on the board so we'd we'd do a take that we're mixing it down onto you know the final mix and we'd each have a button to push or a fader to move or, you know, at a certain point. And then after the take was done, we'd all look at each other and, and, uh, lie about whether we got the, we got our moves right or not. So it was very, uh, again, it was very DIY. Uh, and, uh, so the, the, the release was, was our own release.

I think we, I guess we released it with our managers at the time who came on after we had the record finished and everything. And so they thought that, or they thought or Warner thought, we're not sure because, you know, when we got signed, they thought they would remix four songs. So we went into Metalworks with Mark Berry and remixed four songs only. Made them a little bit less buzzy. On Starry.

Which four songs on Starry got remixed? Man, I wish I knew the other ones, but that was one. I think Any Day Now was another one. Okay, I like that song. That's an underappreciated gem on Starry, Any Day Now. And I think possibly Dana. It was probably the ones that were singles. Right.

I think would be the ones that we remixed. All right. I've got to ask you about the video. So who is the, and I will tell you, my comparison is, so I hope you're sitting down for this, okay. The young girl in the Today I Hate Everyone video in the go-kart or whatever that is, is Canada's B-girl. Right. I guess that is a good comparison, actually.

And she's about, what would she be, 30, 40 now? Something like that. Maybe not 40. Well, that's like when you find out, oh, this is the guy who was on the cover of Nirvana's Nevermind. And you see, oh, this is an adult guy. But who was she? Like, who was that young woman? It was the director's niece, actually. So it was, even the video was, you know,

pretty low budget and low key and in the director's basement for most of it, for all the party stuff uh you know a lot of silly string and um yeah and she actually came out we played some kind of i don't know if it was a cfny show or some kind of awards thing or something like that but she actually came out and made a live appearance uh at one of our gigs so uh you know that it was a fun sort of a i don't want to call her a mascot but you know she was a she was your b-girl and uh let's let's not uh let's talk about this uh exposure you got from much music okay so we're gonna this is gonna be an important episode of toronto mike because we're

gonna hit some key touch points here so you mentioned okay so cfny you mentioned that might have been a casby awards or something that you're remembering i think so yeah so yeah this is how i'm gonna tell you about myself here this is all about me now but the how did i discover music you know it was played on 102.1 that was a big source for me it was the i saw the video on much music that was a big one for me or i heard it on the video on much music that was a big one for me or i heard it on and this will come up in a moment so we're not going to talk about this yet but i heard it on maybe big shiny tunes or something i love to collect the big shiny tunes so how did you like how did you get this video uh on high rotation on much music is it just that it was a great video for a great Canadian song? Was that enough?

I don't really know how we got it onto Much. I guess it was, again, we had managers early on. So I imagine they worked their magic and somehow got them to play it. But it did get quite a lot of play and it turns out that, was it Denise Donlan was running it at the time? At that time, I think you're right. Denise was in charge at that time. And we felt very lucky because we heard that she hated clowns. And we started the whole video with a clown. So it was just sheer luck that she played it at all or that they played it. So in spite of our clown, it still did pretty well.

So again, Warner Music Canada probably knows how to get a video in the hands of my... It's not like when I had Moe Berg on and he explained, you know, he dropped off his I'm an adult now VHS at, you know, 299 Queen. And then suddenly it was on high rotation. It's not quite that story. You got Warner behind you. Do you remember who was your contacts at Warner Music Canada? Like, don't they assign somebody to be like your,

I don't know what the term is, A&R guy or whatever? The A&R at the time, it was Kim Cook was the A&R dude. And, you know, we had some big fans there at Warner. I know that. That really helped out a lot. I mean, so really, we were helped out by a lot of people. We didn't really do anything on our own. Nothing.

We did the music. And we made cassettes during, you know, the early days. Right. You know, even of the Killjoy stuff to send around and try to get people to listen. But, you know, until you're, you know, until someone else kind of is on board, it's really, it's hard to get your stuff out there. Now, Leigh Aron was on this program a couple of weeks ago, and she was pretty candid about the fact that she had a deal in the attic uh for canadian distribution and promotion stuff and and yeah there was a lot of lee erin uh action here in

canada all over much music as well uh but she did lament the fact that uh she felt that there was no attempt to you know push her in united states like was no American, I don't know what your deal with Warner Music Canada involved, but was there ever any talk of, you know, Warner America? I don't know what their title is there, but you know, this music like Today I Hate Everyone, it would sound great south of the border as well. Well, they seem to like it south of the border, but only north of south of the border, meaning the northern U.S. where the radio would seep over. So we would play Toledo and Buffalo and Cleveland. But, you know, we never really made much headway beyond that. There was no U.S. release at the time.

So it's funny because it's out now on Rhino Records somehow. I mean, there's deals still being made that I'm not privy to. So there was a Greatest Hits put out on Rhino Records. So we finally got our U.S. deal. It's such a bizarre system. And I've got to plead it. I've never been in, you know, I'm no musician. And I just talk to folks like yourself.

But it just seems like, and I don't know how lucrative the Canadian deal was. You're welcome to share that aspect if you like. But it sounds like you create this piece of art, like Starry. And then you do trust Warner Music Canada to do its thing. And in Canadaada of course guys like me we love we love it we own it and we buy it we own it i still spin it but uh like there seems to be a lot of trust in these giant music conglomerates uh that they'll take care of you but meanwhile you're telling me now that you're you're only able to kind of tour the northern American cities that were able to receive Canadian.

And I know this drill well because one of my favorite bands of all time is The Lowest of the Low. And they can go play Buffalo till the cows come home. And why are they so big in Buffalo? You ready for this? This is going to shock you, Mike. Because a lot of Buffalonians were listening to 102.1 from toronto right like why wouldn't they be big in texas like i don't understand it's uh i just don't understand i don't understand yeah i don't understand either i wish i could help you we uh we did

we recorded in mem, the second record. So, you know, we did sort of make a little headway into the U.S., not in the way that we would have liked. And, you know, we played in New York a few times. It wasn't – we would have loved to have – when we first started out, it was – we were sending stuff to like tang records and you know matador and you know that in the u.s small u.s labels that was our original idea of course our managers had different ideas right they thought it would be the big you know be better to go with the big giant uh can. So, you know, whichever way, whatever happened, happened.

And I'm okay with it. You know, the record deal is basically a big giant loan. And we knew that going in. It's not like, it wasn't a money-making venture. I'll put it that way. Well, be more specific because I think this will surprise a lot of people because we don't think

of these record deals as loans. Like we think you get a bunch of money up front that you get to keep. No. No, you don't get to keep anything. See, the money goes into advertising, into videos,

for instance, which as modest a budget as it was, the money still comes from the record company. All those ads, the recording, eventually we paid for our own recording as far as Starry goes. But the remixing, all that stuff is paid by the record company. taxing, uh, all that stuff is paid by the record company. So until that's all recouped and even after it's recouped, you get, what did we, I think our deal was 11% of something after the recoupment. So, uh, so during that time and probably still now, we used to get statements on how things were going, but i have no idea where we're at right now like whether it's been recouped or you know who knows is it somebody knows now is it fair

to say that unless you're unless you're blue roadie or the tragically hit maybe right maybe there are exceptions but typically that's that's why it's so vital that you uh have an american presence and the marketplace is so it's just 10 times our populace and it didn't you know the touring like it just opens up so many options in regards to touring that yeah like i'm thinking of bare naked ladies now right like uh when they hit with one week it was the game changer like everything changed for that band. Yeah, and we would have liked to have toured more in the States. Now, I'm jumping ahead, but I'm touring more in the States with,

or I was before the pandemic stuff, with Simply Saucer. I'm touring with them in the States more than I ever toured the States with the Killjoys, strangely enough. Well, I know. And I'm, I'm, I'm very cool with jumping ahead and coming back. It's like a Tarantino film, you know, you gotta keep moving. But, uh, so tell us, like, is this, is this your new band? Like tell us what Simply Saucer is. Simply Saucer is another Hamilton, uh, legendary, uh, proto-punk psych band. I think that's what they call them. But they were big in the 70s. Wait, no, they weren't big in the 70s.

They were around in the 70s. It's a bit of a complicated story. They recorded a record. They used to record, they did a single with, or they recorded the one record with the Lanois brothers here in Hamilton. And so that record, after they recorded it, I don't think it really went anywhere. And they released one single called She she's a dog and that sort of i think it was a 45 but then in the 80s they re-released or no for the first time released that record finally it's

called cyborgs revisited and it was uh it's a great, like just great, but it was almost lost for good. And so the record was released and it got great reviews, you know, and all over the world. Had write-ups everywhere. Everyone was, you know, falling all over themselves. This band that had disappeared and, you know, they didn't know where they were. And now it was a, it was sort of a story about uh what was that the the guy that disappeared and the sugar man or something like that yeah uh waiting for sugar man what's uh oh yeah what yeah i know the guy from detroit i know the name will come to me in a moment he was big in south africa and didn't know it it was kind of a

anyway a story like that where they had they thought they had disappeared and they didn't know they were these mysterious characters uh but the the album is still uh it's just got a us release uh on a record label called in the red uh and it's and it's it just seems to have new life all the time and it is it's great great stuff and at the, at the time there was really nothing like it either. And, uh, because it was really, uh, it was noisy, psychedelic punk. It had a lot of elements that were really early on, uh, you know, in the history of music what they were doing right and they're still so they're still playing now and i and i joined on probably about six seven years ago yeah amazing uh by the way just so we don't go crazy uh trying to remember the name it's Sixto Rodriguez i think he goes by the name Rodriguez, is the guy from Searching for Sugar Man. Oh, yeah, right.

Okay. And yeah, okay, so Simply Saucer. Okay, that's good. So now we're going to come back, because actually before I leave Starry, I got to play one more song from Starry and ask you a very important question here. So here's another cut from Starry. I love you. All right, Mike, a couple of things.

One is I've been producing a podcast for a woman named Dana Levinson. And I always, like whenever, in fact, I'm recording with her at 2 p.m. today. And this is the song that jumps in my head when I'm speaking with Dana. But I played it for her on Toronto Mic. I played her Dana by the

Killjoys. I think she's got maybe one or two years on me but she's around my age and I was shocked she didn't know this song. It's like somebody telling me they never heard Hey Jude or something. Especially being a Dana.

Right. You would think. Like, what's her circle of friends listening to? Like, is it Madonna or Bust, which is the vibe I got? But still, like, how, how, you know, like, we know all the songs named Michael, right? All of them. Even the 98 Degrees song, Michael. Something about having a nickel or something like that.

My name is Michael. I got a nickel. I got a nickel, shiny and new. I'm going to buy me all kinds of candy. That's what I'm going to do. Yeah. That was a real song, right? No, no, that's a real song, man.

In fact, I had the little radio as a kid. There was a little plastic radio. You turn the dial and it sang that song. I thought maybe all Michaels who were around in the late 70s, early 80s had to have that. They were awarded it at a certain age. Like the queen would send it to you. That sort of thing. Yeah.

Coming of age. Okay, here's the big question. So, boo to Dana Levinson for not knowing that killer jam that again another like much music uh high rotation video with dana but the question i have from michael lang shout out to michael lang because i got one of those facebook reminders that one year ago the yesterday one year ago two days ago so a year ago two ago, two days ago, I was at Lee's Palace at a Lois de Lalo show and Michael was there too.

I know he loves his 90s CanCon alt-rock like I do, but he wants to know, let me read it. I'm confident you already have this lined up as a question for Mike, but the people want to know, who was Dana

and what was the trouble with her? And you saw my reply to that, which was researching now, because I had no idea what was going on with Dana or anything. As a songwriter, you're an observer and so someone had said uh i think the drummer the aforementioned drummer of the killjoys something about this girl dana looks crabby whatever uh and i the song took off from there and then you know this is from hanging out at bars in hamilton in the 90s you know uh right early 90s just hanging around and you know this one one particular girl has a bad night and it's forever etched in canadian music so um i asked today a friend of mine what what was dana about like what what uh who is Dana? And so he gave me the scoop and it was a little bit of a too,

too much information moment because then I found out the story and, uh, and, uh, I, I really regret finding out the story now. So that, you know, she was, she was angry and, uh, probably understandably so. Do you feel like you were better off not knowing the true story of Dana? I think we're all better off not knowing the actual story. Oh, that's funny.

But, you know, it really is just an observation. Someone says something and you sort of say that would make a good song. I made up my own story about what was you know what was going on my own story about wondering what's going on right that's great do you think so there's no chance because this was my little like i go on these bike rides and i start to like have these fantasies this is sort of a daily occurrence and i was thinking maybe the reason dana levinson claims she doesn't know anything about this song dana is because she's the dana well like it could be i mean i don't know i i'm sure she's still angry maybe i'm sure that maybe the song didn't help so starry now are you uh do you have any idea of how many units sold of starry like is

that something you would have awareness of uh i really have no idea you were nominated uh you were nominated for a juno uh for best album design which i didn't actually know was a category but that's that's cool but uh you also i i noticed you were nominated ant category, but that's, that's cool. But, uh, you also, I, uh, I noticed you were nominated. Antoine Moonen. That was the other, he was the, uh, my partner in that, in that crime. Right. Absolutely. Antoine Moonen. And, uh, you were also nominated for a rock radio award, uh, for independent artist of the year. I don't know how you didn't win that. Do you remember who won that by any chance i do not which what was the uh i know we won something from cfmu i mean you can see it what's it called q107 there was a rock radio award there oh maybe that's it then we did win a rock radio okay okay okay well do you still

we did win that one well you deserved it i'm glad you won it. Okay, so you mentioned you went to Memphis for the second release. That's, of course, Gimme Five. And I love the cover of Gimme Five, by the way. That's you in the hat, right? It is me in the hat, yeah. That's amazing. Alright, I'm going to play a jam from that here, and then we're going to talk a little about

Gimme Five. Give Me Five. I can't look you in the face I settle with my normal grace You can't put me on the shelf Then take me down again when you feel like myself I know you're touring with other bands and doing a lot of great stuff I'm wrong I know you're toying with other bands and doing a lot of great stuff. I'm going to play some Cemetery Spawn in a few moments here.

But when you hear a song like this one, Rave and Drool, I'm just naturally curious. Do you listen to that and think, that's a great song? What is your reaction

to hearing Rave and Drool right now? Well, there's a lot attached to it. I did want to say that I got one of the best compliments I've ever received based on Raven Drool. Somebody said to me, man, I rolled my car to your song. I thought that was very nice of them. Sorry about the car and all that. That's how good this jam is. Well you know because I'm listening to it now in 2020 like I listened to it in 96 and maybe

it's me stuck in the 90s that's entirely possible I confess to that. But honestly sounds so great in the cans like what a jam. Rave and Drool from Gimme Five. And we recorded that at Arden studios, uh, in Memphis. Again, there's, there's a lot of memories attached to it. You know, I think about where I wrote it, which was, uh, I wrote it backstage at Mel Lastman square playing a new year's Eve show there, uh, where I almost froze to death and we had a clarinet thrown at us it was all in one night is that the like is that like new year's eve 90 uh 95 or something like that uh something like that wow it was freezing freezing cold and i thought i was gonna lose all my fingers

well maybe mel maybe mel threw that clarinet at you maybe so you played that night do you remember any you were the headliners I would guess for that yeah possibly yeah I guess the whole midnight thing happened while we were playing

so yeah I guess we would have been the headliners I would hope so. Come on, the Killjoys, that was back in 96. You better be. Now, I got to ask about this particular song kind of has this great lofty perch in Can Rock history, if you will, at least on this program,

because recently, and I'm going to just shout out Stu Stone and Cam Gordon, who every week during this pandemic have been recording Pandemic Fridays with me. And I'll be recording with them tomorrow, even though tomorrow's not Friday. But recently we did Big Shiny Jams. So we kicked out Big Shiny Jams. And the special guest for that episode was a gentleman named Mark Teo.

And Mark Teo has literally written the book about Big Shiny Tunes, which was the Much Music Compilations. For those who don't know, what are you doing listening to this program? You should know what Big Shiny Tunes is. literally written the book about big shiny tunes which was the much music compilations for those who don't know uh what are you doing listening to this program you should know what big shiny tunes is but it's a long-winded way mike for me to uh i ask uh like were you aware that raven drool was on the very first big shiny tunes and did that mean anything at all to you it it means a lot more now than it did at the time we were on a few compilations there was one called absolute 90s which actually i have a my only gold record is for a compilation

it's better than me i have no gold gold uh riding on the coattails of uh whoever the heck was on that soul i'm trying to to remember, was Soul Asylum on there? I think I had this compilation. I was a big compilation guy before the Internet ruined compilation albums. Right. I'd have to rip it out of the little case there, the gold record frame, because I don't remember who's on it.

It's just cool to have a record on your wall. So at the time, Big shiny tunes was, was just another compilation that are, you know, the, our people had negotiated with their people and had it, uh, had it put on this record. We were so, we were touring a lot, even though we didn't tour, you know, around the States as much as we wanted to, we were touring in Canada nonstop. You know, we'd be home for a couple of weeks, then we'd be back out again. So, so it was nonstop touring. So we, we just didn't have time to really look at,

I didn't even know who else was on this compilation or anything that was going on. And you're referring to Big Shiny Tunes, right? Or Absolute 90s? Big Shiny Tunes, yeah. Okay.ute 90s? The Big Shiny Tunes, yeah. Okay. Or both of them, really. Can I pause for a moment to tell you some of the great songs on Absolute 90s? Okay, so, because I'll start with the CanCon here.

So was this a Canadian compilation, Absolute 90s? Do you know? Because it's heavy on the CanCon here. I'm going to guess it's a Canadian thing. It's probably a similar vibe to Big Shiny to big shiny tunes right the rival release okay so you've got sloan's coax me shout out to the guys from sloan uh you've got uh the gandharvas the first day of spring which i play once a year on the first day of spring and i still love that that song actually uh the gandharvas is on this mix it's a great song oh for sure and then you got some we'll leave cancon for a moment because i think that

might be it but uh you got elastica the stone roses is on this thing weezers say it ain't so is on this compilation uh oh my god king oh my god detachable penis is on this uh and dinosaur juniors just like heaven uh filter hey man nice shot white zombie more human than human i loved And Dinosaur Jr.'s Just Like Heaven filter, Hey Man, Nice Shot, White Zombie, More Human Than Human. I loved that one. Honestly, this is a great, honestly. I've got a filter story. Yeah. While driving around in Vancouver with the record rep,

the Warner rep out there, he had a couple of the new releases, the new Warner releases on there in his car, and he was just playing them for us. And he's like, oh, what do you, what do you think about this? And he played two things. He played Filters, Hey Man, Nice Shot. And he played Alanis Morissette's new record.

It was probably, you know, it was the big giant one. A Jagged Little Pill. And I loved Filter. I thought this is going to be huge. I love this song. This one, eh, not so much. But it shows what I know. You hear the quality.

I thought, you know what I thought Alanis sounded like? Lisa Del Bello. Oh, yeah, Let's Tango. That great record with her face painted, I forget what it was called. Yeah. Can I just give you a fun fact that uh lisa del bello's uh sister-in-law is danny elwell who is uh was a longtime cfny personality and now is a like a has a jazz cast uh project but yeah there's my lisa del bello story

for you yeah i did not know that You need to know these things, Mike. That's why you're on show, Mike. Just one thing. You do know, of course, what Hey Man, Nice Shot is about because people think, oh, man, it's like they put it to like basketball compilations and stuff like Hey Man, Nice Shot. Well, I thought it was about Cobain. I thought that was what it was about.

No, man, it's this, I don't remember what city now, but a local politician was caught in some corruption scandal. And in front of like a press conference, he took a gun out of this bag he had with him and blew his brains out. And it was like a public suicide. So his name was Bud Dwyer. This is kind of grim and all, but this is the, that's the story told in Hey Man, Nice Shot.

I might have actually unfortunately seen that you don't forget it because it's like you know you don't forget that uh and you got to go look at like pictures of kittens and stuff to kind of wash your brain out i used to be a big fan of film threat magazine and i think i had a compilation of sorted videos of theirs. And I think that was somehow on there. Yeah, it's out there. That's for sure.

Now, you are, this will tie in nicely when we get to Cemetery Spawn, but you're a fan of the horror genre. You love horror movies, right? Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I have been since I was a little kid, since the Godzilla times. Have been since a little kid, since the Godzilla times. See, I was going to peg it on something else because yesterday I was having a chat with the new voice of Bugs Bunny. And he's like a 41-year-old kid from Scarborough. I call him a kid.

41-year-olds aren't kids. Maybe it's us. But he loves retro GTA stuff. And of course, nothing's more awesome than the fact he was wearing this shirt yesterday, a glow-in-the, hilarious house of Freidenstein. Oh, that was a big, a big influence as well. I used to write fan letters to them and, uh, and got, uh, got a letter back actually. Uh, but I had no idea that I was just writing, you know, I was in Westdale and they were recording just downtown Hamilton. Right. I had no idea I was sending letters just, just over the bridge

from Westdale to downtown Hamilton. You could have biked it over. I could have tricycled. You know what I thought you might be telling me there that you'd write the characters and you had no idea you were actually writing one guy because they were all Billy Van. That's right. Well, yeah. And I had no idea about that either. So there was, yeah, for a little while there was a Billy Van museum in Hamilton that, that Stacey Case had put together and that, I wish it was still there and expanded, but it's not there anymore. But it was definitely a big, a big deal for a lot of uh kids i guess not just in hamilton but everywhere well anyone who got chch right like so because yeah i had no idea it was a hamilton thing either i just knew it was on i got it on channel 11 and i loved it i thought it was

fantastic so and they had vincent price for goodness sakes like uh like you just imagine he's kind of there in hamilton and then you find out like oh yeah he he probably flew there for one day and filmed all his stuff and then was never seen again i think he was here for a weekend yeah and i think his sister lived in ancaster or something like that and i think there was that connection uh i um i did a comedy, I did music for comedy at Club 54. Oh, yeah. And it was a CHCH production. And so one crew guy in particular used to work on House of Freitenstein. So I got a lot of the inside scoop from him.

So that was a thrill just to be able to talk to the guy and hear these stories i didn't want to you know bought pry too much but but i loved hearing all these old uh stories about the the actors and characters like igor yeah had a volkswagen that he used to he tore the front seats out of and he sat in the back seat because he was such a big guy that he needed to he needed all that room to be able to drive this little car. Right. He needed leg room. That's amazing. Yeah, anytime you want to spill some hilarious House of Freidenstein tea, just let me know. Oh, one more good one. One more good one.

They used to put notes in that bird's mouth for Griselda to read. So they were real, like, you know, off-color comments to Billy Van. So his reactions were real when he would say you hit the bird and the dust would fly off and he'd say oh you dirty bird you know he was actually laughing to whatever they had surprised him with in the bird's mouth love it that's that's a that was a multi-talented freak that billy van holy smokes and i hope that museum is open i thought i didn't even know it had closed i thought maybe it was just paused due to covid or something like that but uh yeah i'm not sure i don't know yeah i know that he's still he's still here he's still a fan he still wants he's actually putting

a book out uh this is stacy case i'm right yeah of course because there's a book uh coming out apparently soon okay so uh you know there's stuff to look forward to still. Stay tuned here. All right, just before we move on from Gimme Five, I'm just going to play one more Gimme Five jam. I'm glad you're keeping track. That's my job. Here we go.

Here we go. She's got bedroom eyes and they're shifty Yeah, I know, I know But she's got a little pound and she's pretty So I won't let go No, I won't get soaked Get soaked No, I won't Get soaked She's got American thighs

But they're creepy Yeah, I know American thighs, that's an ACDC reference there on here and there. How did you know that? I wasn't sure if people picked that up. Well, you picked one of the ACDC songs that even the non-fans know. Okay, but I got a real talk question for you about the June Awards and what the heck's going on there.

Because how is it that you get a nomination in 94 for something, for Starry? Okay, 1994. And I think you know where I'm going with this, but how the hell is it that you can win the Juno for Best New Group, New Group, at the 1997 Juno Awards?

Like, how does that math work? Well, you know, you're only as old as you feel. And we still felt brand new. I have no idea. But that's ridiculous. Why or how that happened. Because this is your second, I mean, you win this award after the release of your second, you know, I mean,

Starry was big. I mean, I will say no sophomore jinx for you because Gimme Five is great too. And just hearing this now, it's like I'm listening to the radio again in the mid-90s. So yeah, you did win Independent Artist of the Year. Do you still have that Juno Award? No, no, no.

Sorry, that's not the award you won. You won, I'm sorry. Best New Group. Best New Group. Do you still have that Juno Award somewhere? I do have it, yeah. Yeah. It was in a closet for a while,

but I've sort of come to terms with my, you know, with any accolades I may have gotten in the past, you know. Because, you know, I mean, it's true. The Best New Group thing, you're like, well, I don't know why we got Best New Group, but I mean, it's great. It's awesome group thing where you're like, well, I don't know why we got best new group, but I mean, it's great.

It's awesome. You know, and the denomination for artwork. Awesome. But, you know, you're sort of uncomfortable around awards a little bit. I mean, I have been uncomfortable around awards. Or maybe awards have been uncomfortable around me. I'm not sure. But is that because you're an artist? Like, is it just that you don't think you should? What's the deal there? You just don't think you can, you know, award art?

I think that you're always, I mean, there's that. But I think you're always sort of thinking about well how did this especially when you've got managers and record companies all this stuff like what were the politics behind the the decision or what what happened here i mean did i have anything to do with it you know right so i mean you just i've accepted it or you know i think it's it's really cool now but i do still have the award and it's proudly displayed. And I'm proud of everything we did. Good.

There's no regrets. Just like Tom Cochran said, no regrets. I like that. Okay, so you got Starry, you got Gimme Five, you know, idiots like me are digging it all. What's the vibe like in the band at this point, right? Because you're about to record your third album here. Milos Modos. Yeah, I was going to say Milos Modos.

Milos Modos. Milos Modos. In fact, I'm going to play a song because I think it might be in the entire Killjoys catalog. This might be the most underappreciated jam you guys have ever recorded. And I don't even know if you like it or not. We're going to talk about that,

but I got to talk about the video too because there's a hell of a story tied to this video uh when i was you know digging in uh so maybe i'll play a bit of the song we'll talk about the song the video the album and uh what the hell happened to it okay so yeah here we go. Between the passion and the pain I said, my love could never wait. Which methods to forsake the blues? The ones who have the right to choose. I can't believe my life I've been good, I've been good, I've been thinking I've been good, I've been good, I've been thinking That I'll stay, I'll stay Okay, where to begin, where to begin?

Okay, so perhaps you can tell me a little bit about the song and what happened with the video for I've Been Good. Of course. The song is a Monday Nuns song, actually. Oh! It was an unrecorded, but we used to play it live, song during the Monday Nuns era. And so that's a little bit about why we,

Milos Motos means the road round, right? That's some kind of Greek thing. I think I was reading a Marshall McLuhan book, so pretentiously thought that this would be a good title for the record. And it's fine. But it's because we felt like we had sort of come first full circle in a lot of ways we were recording back in hamilton felt like an independent recording just like we did down at john john street uh recording in a local studio recording monday nuns songs uh

so that's the way it felt um and i like i love the sound of that, that, that song in particular, and that record as well. The, the video of course was shot in Mexico city. So that was exciting to go down there and shoot. How should I tell the story? There's a couple of ways to tell it. So this is from our perspective. So we recorded the video and, and, uh, you know, we had, um, done it in, uh, Gibraldi square. I think it's called Marachi bands all over the place and really a lot of fun to, to, uh, to shoot. Um, so, uh, you know, after, I guess it was a weekend that we were shooting. And so we were staying in a hotel there and came out to the courtyard one morning and

we saw that the crew was out there sitting around and everybody did not look happy. Everybody did not look happy. And so when we asked what happened, they said, someone has taken the reels. They said reels. I don't know if it was shot on. It must have been shot on film, I guess, at the time. And they took them in the car and they drove away and they're demanding $10,000 or we'll never see our video again. Wow.

And neither will anyone else. So it ended up the production company that was working for Warner had to pay the ransom to get the video back, unfortunately. Wow. unfortunately. And the thing is the guy that had done it, he was a crew member that he had a neck brace when we were, while we were recording. And I guess he was in an accident and didn't have insurance. And so it was a really, it was a desperate move on his part to get, to pay his medical expenses. So it's kind of a So it's kind of a tragic story in the end. Which begs the question, Mike, is it against the law to steal bread

to feed your starving family? Right. Or to steal our video to pay your medical bills. You know, you've got to i feel for the guy really still um wow and so 13 000 uh i'm gonna guess he wanted u.s dollars uh so 13 000 big ones probably uh to get that video back wow okay that's an amazing story because i don't think i've heard in all my years of chatting with uh great musicians like yourself i don't think i've heard in all my years of chatting with uh great musicians like yourself i don't think i've ever heard of someone's video being held hostage like that

before yes amazing it happened it really happened i'm pretty sure it really happened this all have been a dream for all i know yeah maybe uh somebody in the band made it up to get another 13 000 it sounds like that's the only way to make money in this music business, actually. Maybe you guys should have held your own video hostage. Man, that was actually a good move. That's real money. You don't even have to declare that on your taxes, I don't think. I think that's good, man.

I wouldn't think you should, no. All right, so now we're three albums deep. This is sort of where the story ends for Killjoys. Am I wrong? Is this the end of the Warner deal and and what happens after this after that they didn't pick up the next option i don't think for some reason that they were too happy with this record i i thought it was i i love this record well you know they know, they're looking, I can tell you, they're looking for another Today I Hate Everyone. And that song might be a better song, actually.

I've been good. It's a really strong song, but it's not what they're looking for, which is they want somewhere, like something. Right. And we had, there was a song called Honesty Mistake on there that I thought might have taken that spot. And when you listen to the old Killjoys records, it was never Today I Hate everyone from beginning to end.

Right. There was always acoustic stuff. There was a more poppy stuff. There was, there was heavier stuff. I mean, it's always run the gamut. Right. And we thought we, we thought we were still doing what we always did. And even like I said, the, the one song being a Monday Nuns song, even going back further and, you know, using songs that we hadn't recorded before, just because we had the chance to do it, to record it well.

So, you know, I'm still really proud of the record. I love songs like We and worms and cheerleader type they're my favorite songs that the killjoys did but nobody heard it so that was pretty much when they didn't pick up the option and we were at that point extremely tired of you you know, of all the touring and, and just not making any money. And, and, uh, so we thought that we would, uh, get while the getting was good. And so we just sort of went home and there was no real official breakup at the time. It was just sort of, uh, well, I'll call you. Uh, I'll see, you know, and that was it. that was it. We never really talked for years after that. But you did play together in like 2002.

We got back together. Yeah. And I forget why that was. There was usually a reason for it. I think we played one Juno party. It's friends of ours friends of ours saying all this we've got a big event would you come and play it you know just for fun and so we would get sucked in and uh that happened a few times over the years and uh i know that i was doing my homework and i see there was a another compilation uh today i hate everyone perfect songs for a crappy day so you did end up on and this is 2011 but you were alongside like the Ramones and Husker Du and we yeah I love that one I think that's a great lineup that compilation I can I'm behind that one 100 a big I'm a big Husker Du fan and replacements anything from Minneapolis I love when was the last time the killjoys performed together um is it three years ago now something like that we were we were at we played uh sound

of music festival we played the horseshoe i think the horseshoe was the last one we did it wasn't too long ago i mean three years to me isn't too long ago It's not that long ago because we don't even really count this year because it's like no one's playing the horseshoe in 2020. So it was only two years ago if you don't count this year. Everyone's paused. If Pearl Jam's paused, then the Killjoys are paused too. But I guess the big question I'm asking

on behalf of fans, and this is not to discredit any of your current stuff, and I want to hear all about Cemetery Spawn and everything, and I'm going to play some of that. Uh, but like for us, nostalgia freaks, uh,

looking for, uh, to take a shot, you know, like, like, like a double bill, maybe the kill joins and rusty or something like that.

Like just hook it to my veins. Uh, what are the odds we get to like, assuming we all get vaccinated and we can safely go to concerts again, which is going to happen at some point. Like, can we see the kill joys again? Like,

can you guys perform again? Well, the chances as it stands are pretty darn slim, right? We were already, I had new songs. We were ready to record. It was all ready to go.

And then everybody could just kind of up and quit again. So that's sort of where it's left. Okay. So let me ask some business questions here now. Okay. So, you know, when you go see Bon Jovi, you're seeing this thing owned by Jon Bon Jovi and he hires guys like Richie Sambora and stuff

to be in the band. Like it's, you know, it's sort of like the pursuit of happiness is Moberg. Okay. And then he has whatever. But the kill joys are you right yeah that's always a possibility i don't i don't feel really right about that but uh but you extend the invitation but if they decline the invitation you can get some substitute uh. And as far as I'm concerned, if Mike Treblecock is on the stage,

it's whoever you're surrounded by. It's Kildoy's enough. It's Kildoy's-esque. It'll be enough for us, I think. Like I said, it was me and the drummer for so many years. So it's just, I've got sort of a loyalty thing to that relationship i guess even still right uh because you know we played together since we were you know nine or

nine years old you know so it's a long time i get it uh but you know i'm not above doing something so cold it's just you know you hire other guys to fill in like that. Maybe they could wear the same makeup. You know, they can have the same names and be the same characters. Like Kiss or something.

You don't know who's in the makeup. I was going to say, because if you look, if you're going to the horseshoe to see Mike, this is no disrespect to Mike Treblecock,

but in the marquee, Mike Treblecock versus the Killjoys, like there's just a natural marketing difference. So it's sort of like, you know, it's like, you know, Ron Hawkins is a great friend of the show, not Rompin' Ron, I don't know if he listens, but Ron Hawkins from Lowest of the Low.

But, you know, Ron's got like a million projects, Ron Hawkins, you know, one of which is Lowest of the Low. But, you know, so it's like, okay, you're going to see the Rusty Nails or the do-good assassins and it's solo these different projects but you know lowest of the low brings in a whole different fan base because it's lowest of the low i could probably do what i did with the monday nuns and change it to kill joys with a z at the end and then that would totally absolve me of any wrongdoing now you're Now you're thinking.

Okay, so I'll hold out for a new show maybe in 2021 or 2022. I'm hoping something happens with the Killjoys. Tell me, actually, let me play a little bit of a Cemetery Spawn song. Is it okay if I play Get Inside? Absolutely. Okay, let's play a little of this and we got to talk about this I was a surprise to the next guy and I didn't make it There's no guarantees Now I'm still alone inside Wiping down my doubt with peroxide

If you listen you can hear them scratching How did this happen? There's no guarantees Wash yourself, wash your hands Hey! Get inside The road is always a cup There's no place left to hide

Hey! Stay inside Okay, Mike, I got it. When was this song written? Not long ago. That's on the latest Cemetery Spot. Okay, because it says it's Corona Zombies. Yeah, it's all about the, well, you know, it's sort of like as if this is a zombie apocalypse. Right.

We're all just kind of hiding inside, trying to stay alive, basically. This is the pandemic anthem people have been waiting for. Absolutely. Get inside. The Corona zombies. Okay. So tell us about what is Cemetery Spawn?

Cemetery Spawn started with a movie. Okay. So it's all songs from movies, from independent horror movies. It started with a movie called Exorcism of the Dead, and it was by a friend named John Miore, and I had done the score for that for his movie. And so at the end, he wanted something,

he wanted something like the end of Dream Warriors, you know, the Nightmare on Elm Street. Nightmare on Elm Street, right. Chapter. Dawkin, right? Was it Dawkin? It was Dawkin, yeah. So he wanted something sort of like that. So I wrote something called Exorcism of the Dead,

and it was sort of a metal, you know, hair metal sort of bass tune that was so much fun to do uh i started bothering other directors to to to you know get a you know an end theme song or something during the movie or something so i did uh something for a movie called like animator um uh what were the other ones on that record the first one but so so I've released them in volumes of five each the last one was actually six songs so they're all I mean let me just I've got my thing here so I've written songs for the curse of krampus that was the other one so uh curse of krampus ouija mummy grindsploitation 666 wrestle massacre i wrote something for so

uh slimoids uh just really fun uh low budget horror films. So I've got this whole, it's just sort of started, you know, I wouldn't say that it's, you know, a runaway train or anything like that. But it's been a really fun project. And it's actually become a live band. So I've got an actual band that we play out. We only had two gigs before the pandemic hit, but there will be more after. And so that's basically the story on Cemetery Spawn. Is there a Cemetery Spawn website, like a hub,

we could point people to to learn more about this cool project? There is. Actually, the big hub would be miketre treblecock music.com because that's got all right it's got all the movie stuff because i've done a bunch of scores for other movies too and uh and then that links to cemetery spawn and it's all it's all connected okay speaking of connected i have a fun fact so i'm going to give you a fun fact uh but first i need to know did killjoys ever share a bill ever with the Watchmen? Like, did you guys ever play the same stage the same night?

I think we did. Yeah, we must have. Okay, because the drummer from the Watchmen, Sammy Cohn, is a proud sponsor of this program. And I just want to let people know, drummingupresults.com. This is a cool offer, man. If you want a free drum lesson from Sammy Cohen from The Watchman, you get one in exchange for any real estate inquiry. So go to drummingupresults.com and reach out to Sammy. Mike, I know we're doing this via Zoom. I really love to do this in person in the backyard, but of course you're in the hammer and it's freezing cold out today so it's better that you're on zoom but if you were here i would be giving you

some fresh craft beer from great lakes brewery so if we ever get the opportunity to do it in person uh you know once we get that shot in the arm and uh i just want you know i got got fresh beer for you man and you save that in your fridge for two years from now. It'll be fresh. That's the guarantee there. It'll be fresh. I also have a, uh,

for you when we ever do meet here, uh, Palma pasta has a lasagna for you as well. That's delicious. Palma pasta.com. I just want to thank, uh, quickly Barb Paluskiewicz from CDN technologies.

If anyone out there has any network issues, you need to talk to Barb. It's barb at cdntechnologies.com. And thank you to Ridley Funeral Home. Pay tribute without paying a fortune. Go to ridleyfuneralhome.com for more. And last but not least, Mike, if you're looking for a cemetery spawn

or Killjoy's stickers and such, you need to go to stickeru.com. They're in Liberty Village, but they're online and it's a great company and very high quality product from StickerU.com. Here's the final fun fact before we say goodbye, because you mentioned movie soundtracks and such, and that's awesome. But here it is. okay so uh there was a movie called the boys club and it starred the the late chris penn and it also starred my good friend stew stone who i mentioned comes over once a week for pandemic fridays uh there's a bunch of killjoy's music on the soundtrack for the movie the boys club there is is. That's right. Was he one of

the kids? Yes, he was one of the kids. Yeah. Wow, that's amazing. I know. That's a really good movie, actually. I really like that. It is a good movie. And it was Chris Pan, like in the height of that Reservoir Dogs fame, if you will, that yeah, he died way too too soon but it is a good movie and it's good music on that movie and killjoys are one of the one of the bands Mike anything any final thoughts here man this was an incredible deep dive into your you know a lot of killjoys but a lot more than that this has been a lot of fun thanks for doing this thank you very much I don't think I have any final thoughts, but thank you. And we'll close this episode like we close every episode of Toronto Mic with a little

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