Toronto Mike'd: The Official Toronto Mike Podcast - Mocha Frap: Toronto Mike'd #128

Episode Date: July 7, 2015

Mike chats with Mocha Frap of Roz and Mocha on 92.5 about his name, his career in radio, his dream job, DJ Clymaxxx, working with Roz Weston, DR. CABBIE, going viral and being a "brown guy".

Welcome to episode 128 of Toronto Mic'd, a weekly podcast about anything and everything, often with a distinctly Toronto flavour. I'm Mike from torontomic.com and joining me this week is radio host Mocha Frap. Yeah. Is that your real name? It is. That's on your birth certificate? It is.

I have it in the car. I can show you later. I have a note here from Starbucks Incorporated. They want me to have a chat with you. Again? Yeah. This happened. Have you ever had a cease and desist from Starbucks?

1990. No, it was the year 2000 when I was working for K Kiss 92 at the time, owned by Rogers. Right. My first radio job out of college. And in the year 2000, the company got a letter from Starbucks. Did you frame it?

No, I never got it. Oh, you never got it. Okay, you got to get a copy of that. Somebody has it, I'm sure. But they were like, not allowed to use the name. Because originally on the radio when I was working, it was Mocha Frappuccino. And they were like, we have that name copywritten. And I was like, I have that name copywritten too.

That's funny. On my birth certificate. So I went to the Starbucks website to find out what we're dealing with here. Like, what is a Mocha Frappuccino? So I'm going to tell the world right now. Yeah. Because I only order a coffee. I see you're drinking a regular coffee.

Yeah. I like to switch it up every now and then. Here it is. Ready? They call it mocha frappuccino blended coffee. It is coffee with rich mocha flavored sauce blended with milk and ice topped with sweetened whipped cream. That's me. Then I went into the, you know how you have like

calories and fat content? So this drink, if you were to drink this, it is like 100 million calories and full of fat and sugar. Yeah, that's me. That's good. That's why I try to get to the gym

as much as possible. That's a good line. Work off that fat and sugar. That's funny. Okay, so when was the last time you had a mocha frappuccino from Starbucks? On, I think it was Sunday. Sunday or Saturday. sugar that's funny uh okay so when was the last time you had a mocha uh mocha frappuccino from starbucks um on i think it was sunday yeah sunday or saturday you're the genuine article yeah every

now and then that's good let's switch it up you know that's good uh so you're uh on the air at and we're gonna get to how you got into radio and all that but right now you're at 92.5 on the raws and mocha show yes sir did Did you know Roz was on this show? I knew... Like when I got hired? Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no, no. No, sorry. No.

Did you know Roz was on Toronto Mic'd? Oh, I found out. Yeah, I found out like after. Oh, yeah? Yeah, I didn't know. Like he didn't say, oh, hey, by the way... He didn't promote this?

He didn't say, hey, by the way, I'm going to go do this podcast. I found out after. I said, hey, have you heard of this toronto mike guy he's been reaching out to us and i'm gonna go visit his show and he's like oh yeah i went and i did it like last week or something he was uh so those who are listening and want to hear my uh convo

with ross that's episode 120 so 120 but did you listen did you listen to the ross episode just to hear if he said anything bad about you. No, because he wouldn't say anything bad about me. What bad stuff is he going to say? I'm a nice guy. I will be the judge of that, okay? So in an hour, I will tell the people whether you're a nice guy or not. All right. But I do like the shirt.

That's a very cool shirt. Oh, thank you. Bruce Lee behind a set of turntables wearing sunglasses and a gold necklace. Yeah, it's like one of those three dimensions. This shirt has elements to it. It's like me. Okay, I want to know about... So did you start in Kitchener?

Did you start on the radio in Toronto? No, I actually started in Toronto. I went to Seneca College and I took the radio broadcasting program there. And right before i graduated right before i finished um rogers had purchased a radio station owned by a company named ralco and it was the country kiss with a c yeah c-i-s-s country, right? And as soon as Rogers took it over, they switched the format to Kiss 92, right? So if you listen back in the day and you remember the logo, it was like a black and white logo.

So I had a buddy who was working promotion, a guy that I went to school with, who I'm still friends with now. I went to school with, and he was working in the promotions department for Country Kiss. And then said, hey, by the way, and he was working in the promotions department for country kiss and then said, Hey, by the way, uh, they may be looking for people. They kept me on cause they need,

they got rid of everybody, the, the entire staff and they need like board ops, people to help kind of babysit the radio station until they find announcers. So I totally unprofessional tagged along with him one day when he went in to go talk to the program director. And I just said, I met the program director and I said hey uh i'm going to seneca i'm done in a

couple months anything that you need um available here's my resume and then uh for three weeks straight every thursday i called this was like before you had cell phones so i was like walking around with pocket full of quarters yeah yeah and at school I'd be calling every single Thursday. Hey, by the way, I'm the guy that showed up with an appointment. I'm still available. If you need anybody to help out three weeks later,

I get a phone call. Hey, can you come in? We need somebody to learn how to use the board. Can you come in and train? I said, no problem. Can you come in tomorrow?

No problem. And I, uh, explained to one of my profs, I skipped school and I said, hey, listen, I have this opportunity. Whatever. I went in, trained for six hours, eventually got the job working with Kiss92

as a board op. So I was babysitting the radio station between midnight and like 5 a.m. And then going to school right after. And then going back later in the evening because I was also doing oh yeah like when homer was working to feed the pony and yeah for lisa's exactly yeah so i was

working like all sorts of crazy hours but and i was still working at the bay at the same time so i was like seven days a week uh eventually i quit the bay but my first radio job in right out of school before i even finished school luckily it doesn't happen to everybody, but luckily was with Kiss 92 in Toronto. That is crazy. And just your buddy who was in promotions at the Country Kiss, I envision just walls of those mugs. My mom

had the Kiss 92 mugs. Yeah, I think my mom... That was the big thing, right? My mom has one. We get tweets every now and then, like at least three or four times a year, we'll get a tweet from someone uh saying hey check this out and they still have like their country kiss mug yeah like that was a big that was uh uh that was like the garth brooks era that was a big time for new country mugs and kisses right i actually got a tweet from a guy named lauren who said he wanted to know how many 92.5 kiss mugs uh the station still has because i guess

the 92 mugs are like one of the one of the country kiss i don't know he's actually talking about i don't know if he's talking about the i know i'm talking about the country kiss so i don't know what he's talking about oh i'm sure they're all like long gone dude oh they're on ebay they're selling for like a buck 50 now on ebay if that that's amazing all right that's cool so you were that's a so that's just a quinky dink right i can say quinky dink uh you're uh you're at 92 and it's like top 40 right this is straight up and it was yeah and this was like the format that i lived and breathed right like i love chr i love top 40 music so this was like my up my alley straight up right and i always wanted to be on the on the air

but i knew you had to um do do it before you can get a chance to be on the on the air but i knew you had to um do do before you can get a chance to be you were quick to recognize that even your persistence like i talked a lot of people and strombo tells a story about just every day he'd go up to the guy and just say hey can you can you get me on the air can you just being persistent and being uh top of mind and my my program director when i got the job she knew because i said like right away and even after continuously like hey by the way you know i would love to be on the air whatever it takes whatever you need right so eventually down the road um she would say hey can you go work on you know you have access to all this

equipment this is all the studios can you go work on a demo and uh and we did air checks uh like once a month or once every every three weeks and she would give me things to to work on and i would work on them and do just do like fake shows yeah eventually uh until it was time for me to get a crack at being on the air live so did so you did get on the air live at 92 back then i did i was actually so i was doing promotions i was doing board hopping and then i was um they asked hey we finally have some announcers and a couple of them need to know how to use the system here right can you help since you're doing midnight to 5 a.m can you just stick around and help with the morning show right and i was like

cool no problem and i stuck around and and i helped out with the morning show for about two weeks and then they said hey can you stick around a little bit more and you want to like help us out do some stuff so i was doing like I was basically like their stunt boy. So they would send me out every day and do fun, just stupid stuff. And it was a lot of fun. Who was this morning duo? Originally, it was Mad Dog and Darren. Right, Darren Jones.

Darren Jones, who then went on to Comedy Central to do his own television show. You know, he went to university with me, Darren Jones. Oh, nice. Very nice guy. I love him. Love him. Very, very nice guy. Very funny. And then eventually um it was mad dog and billy on ks92 and so i was there i ended up just being their morning show producer um and you still in

touch with mad dog and billy or billy i guess and or uh no not on the regular do you know they've both been here yeah Yeah, very... Not together, though. Billy's been in our building quite a few times. She's buddies with Roz. Yeah, so I see her every now and then, and we always talk, and any time I see Mad Dog at an event or whatever,

and if we have a chance to chat, we always do. I like him. He's a nice guy. He's a very nice guy. Yeah. Cool. So he was uh you know he was the guy like i worked for their show that's how that was like my first real uh introduction into running and operating a show and it's weird and were they referencing you as mocha frap yeah

totally or just yeah because i was their i was their producer and it's weird because like the room that we work that ross and i are doing the show right now it's the exact same room that's crazy that i was you know producing the mad dog and billy show uh back in the day and like the same equipment and i'm standing in the exact same spot now that i was you know 16 years ago or whatever you're like the guy who started in the mail room and then he becomes ceo something like that i think i think whatever. You're like the guy who started in the mail room and then he becomes CEO. Something like that. I think I saw it. But all in the exact same office, right? Same atmosphere.

That's cool. So why do you end up, why do I believe you end up in Kitchener? Because I did. So what happened was after Matt, so while I was working with Mad Dog and Billy, my program director, she knew that I wanted to be on the air.

And eventually I got, you know, my first, I guess my first technical solo on-air shift was Friday night going into Saturday, 2 to 4 a.m. So I did that for a little while. And I was thrilled. Cool. Nobody was listening, but I already had a chance to be on Toronto Radio. So I damn well took it. And then eventually I was doing. Cool. Nobody was listening, but I already had a chance to be on Toronto radio. So I damn well took it.

And then eventually I was doing Saturdays and Sundays, um, like 6 PM to 10 PM. Uh, and then eventually I got bumped up and was doing, I, I was taken off of, uh,

the morning show, the producer role. And I was given overnights, which is midnight to 5 30 AM. So I did that shortly after that, an opportunity within the same company came up in Calgary and I went to Calgary for eight months. Okay.

I hated Calgary. Did you? Yeah, but I've only been there once. It seemed nice enough. I hated it. Um, but I went there and I was the,

the midday host and it was for Rogers radio station as well. So I loved it. Um, and I was the midday host. And it was for Rogers Radio Station as well, so I loved it. And I was the midday host there for a bit and then got bumped up to mornings. And three weeks after I was bumped up to morning show, they switched the format to Jack FM. And I was like, what the hell do I do now? That's right. So I came back to Toronto and I worked for Kiss 92 again. I was the assistant music director, not on air.

kiss 92 again i was the assistant music director right not on air uh and then uh like two and a half months after i came back to toronto they switched that format to jack fm jack's following you and i was like man like is it me or what um but then right after that i went out to uh to kitchener i got the job working in kitchener where i was for uh almost six years ckt bBT. Yes. CKBT. Yeah, the beat. Who owns that station? Now it's Chorus. At the time, it was Canwest Global, which is now Shaw. Is that, is Carlos Benavides?

Is that his name? Carlos Benavides, yeah. Is he there? Yeah, I should say that name, right? Yeah, because I know, I knew him from The Edge, and then he came back for like a cup of coffee last year. He is such a nice guy.

Yeah. Like, serious, man. He's such a nice guy. He actually does the morning show uh say his last name again benavidez what did i i'm not saying that right benavidez okay yeah benavidez yeah carlos benavidez but yeah man it was it was a blast man that that that ride right there for that six years man we had so much fun uh but yeah i started out there i was a music director doing evening show and then got bumped up to afternoon drive and then morning show before make my way back to toronto so i hear that you need to cut your teeth in like a smaller market before you kind of like you now your

mornings in canada's biggest market which is like a like it's so trippy man but like uh you know you like you said was that six years you spent in Kitchener? I did, yeah. And that's where you got your real, I guess you got your reps in. Yeah, I'd say so. I had a great boss who allowed us to just be creative and be us and try different things. And he just supported 100%. So what do you think of these millennials who think you should start at the top? Like you start in toronto no you got to go you got to go somewhere right i don't think you always have to um i mean well not everyone does of course but not everybody yeah right but you can't i don't think that you can expect to come out of school and you know land an on-air

job in a prime time spot right away and you can't get pissed off if you apply for a job in a prime time spot and you don't get it right like there are people who i know who fresh out of school when we were done college um went to different parts of the country went to sure like thunder bay or something right and they got amazing, which they love and they're still working at right now. Right. So not everybody makes it to, you know, the whatever your dream market is. The big smoke. Right. But it's not impossible, but it's also, you can't be shocked if it doesn't happen ASAP.

Okay. What about the people? There are some people, of course, who will work. You mentioned evening shifts or swing shifts or stuff. And I've heard from one who actually, she left radio, she was at Virgin, and she left radio to become a Salesforce.com consultant person because she simply couldn't afford to live on $8 an hour. What about the money that these young people are getting for swing shifts and weekends? Can you afford to put in your reps at a food bank every uh weeks yeah

i don't see why not i mean like as long as you gotta have rich parents is that no as long as you're smart with your money right like anybody can sir can survive on on i mean it depends like you can't be expecting to make a small amount of money and live a lavish life up in near Yorkville or in Liberty Village and go out for expensive meals every single day, right? You gotta, you gotta be smart, but, um, I mean, it's not, it's not like it's not attainable. So, uh, when you're putting in your reps for six years in Kitchener and it sounds like that was a pretty good experience at the bar. so good. I still,

I still think back to those days and like, I keep in touch with all the people that I used to work with all the time. Yeah. Um, and we still talk about like how great of a time it was, uh, working out there. Cause at that time it was the longest I had ever worked in any one particular

market. Right. Like I was in toronto for two years and then calgary for eight months and then toronto for three months so you really hated cal i can tell by your eyes you hated i hated it so what did you hate about calgary um so a i didn't have a car because i was smart with my money i needed to pay rent right i took transit everywhere and i i was um i when i out there, I did the midday shift, which started at 9 a.m. And I'm the type of person that when I'm preparing for a show,

I like to have a minimum of two hours before I prep for a show. So in order for me to prep and for me to be comfortable at 9 a.m., I had to make sure I was there for seven, prep and for me to be comfortable at 9 a.m i had to make sure i was there for seven which meant my commute from my apartment in calgary to where the radio station was was about an hour and a half and i had to get oh right that's certain but so i was gonna say bike but it sounds like that would have been like no no well i was there when i got there it was straight up like winter was starting right yeah and uh winters in Calgary are terrible. It was like minus 40 almost every day without wind chill, leaving the house, leaving the apartment before the sun came up.

So it was freezing all the time. Yeah, it was a long commute. And I hate, I absolutely hate winter. And that was the least fun place to be during winter because it was just cold all the time. So you're blocking out all this. Like the stampede is on right now, right? Like at least it was.

Yeah, when I moved out there, I moved out there right after the stampede happened. And when I left Calgary to come back to Toronto was right before the stampede happened. So I completely, I was in Calgary at the wrong time. Boo to Calgary. But Kitchener sounded like it was awesome. So how do you end up back in Toronto? I had kept in touch with our program director, Julie Adam, who's the one that... Her name comes up a lot, actually.

I would not want to work for anybody else other than her. And she was the one that gave me my job fresh out of college. She's the one that I bothered for three weeks straight. Said, hey, give me a job, give me a job, give me a job. that gave me my job fresh out of college she's the one that i bothered for three weeks straight said hey give me a job give me a job give me a job she gave me a job and um she you know the radio station um kiss switched from jack fm back to kiss 92.5 as it is right now right um and i you know freaked out because i was like this is my dream radio stations where I started my career. This is where I've always wanted to, to end up. And, um, I got a call a few weeks after the station relaunched and said, Hey, do you want to come back to Toronto? And I was like, yes. And, uh, originally

it was, I didn't even ask about money. Like you just jumped in the car and she was like was like hey what do you think about coming back to toronto i was like yes um and originally i was asked to come back to do the afternoon show it wasn't even to be on the air in the morning right and i don't know if ross talked to you about this or not uh we went into great great detail that's why i'm surprised you haven't listened yet great detail about how you ended up on the show but i want to hear your version so i can play them side by side so i get a call to say hey do you want to be on the afternoon show and i said definitely because my entire life is in like nothing against kitchener but my entire life is in um is in toronto my we only call it we only call it the six now so my entire life is in the six all my my friends, all my family, everything for me is in Toronto, in the six, right?

Like Toronto or the GTA? Scarborough, really. Yeah, it's Toronto. So I was like, you know, any opportunity I had to come back home, then I'm going to take it. Because all my weekends, I would leave Kitchener to come back to hang out with friends and stuff like that, right? Sure. It's not that far. So I was asked, and i said yes and two weeks after that um julie says to me called me up and was like listen so we already have so when she originally said hey

afternoon drive she said we already have somebody for the evening show and we already have somebody for the morning show and we're looking for other people to fill the spots. She said, you know, Roz. And I knew Roz from before already. Right. So I was like, awesome. He's a great guy. And he's going to do well in that time slot. Right.

So two weeks later, after I accept to do afternoon drive, I get a phone call from Julie and says, hey, what do you think about doing the morning show? Oh, wow. With Roz. And I was like, no. And it wasn't anything against Roz. It had nothing to do with him as a person or working with him at all. It was just that I thought,

I just didn't want to do mornings anymore, right? Because the hours were... And at this point, I guess you know that Roz wants you. Roz has basically told you... No, he didn't tell me yet. Oh, he didn't tell you yet because i heard this story yeah he didn't tell me yet but i was like no and the reason why is because you know i've been doing mornings for a little bit and i just don't like the hours and waking up early and going to bed super early it just sucks you miss out on fun things you do right summertime sun's still out at like eight o'clock your friends come knock it on your door or call you 9 30 yeah yo let's hit a patio for a

beer real quick and i'm like i can't i'm getting ready for bed right yeah the worst so i said no and then um ross i had two conversations with ross and he was like you know talking me into it saying hey listen we listen to a lot of demo tapes and or mp3s whatever and the one that I keep going back to is yours and I think we'd we'd work really well together and my whole hang up was I didn't want to wake

up early anymore and I just afternoon drive was perfect show starts at 2 you're done at 7 yeah that is perfect right you got your night so you're done at seven. Yeah, that is perfect. Right? Like, that's the perfect shift. You got your nights and you can sleep in. Oh, man. Because you have no kids, right?

No. Like, this is the dream. At the time, I was a single guy, right? Kids ruin that, but that's perfect. That's for another podcast. That's another podcast. So, and then after, like, after about a week, I was at my parents' place, and I don't know what happened, but it just hit me

and i was like you idiot you have the opportunity like first of all you're working at your dream radio station yeah you get a call to come back to your dream radio station in the biggest market in canada one of the biggest markets in north america and and you said no to doing a morning show. And so I called Julie, like as soon as I, I don't know what it was, maybe I hit my head or something. And I called Julie and I said, Hey, listen, I'm a moron for this. If that opportunity is still there, I would love to, to be on the morning show. And she was like, yes, I don't know what the hell took you so long. She was five minutes away from giving you more money than you've ever dreamed of to get you on that show.

Five minutes away. You've got to just wait it out. Do you have an agent? I was like, man, you moron. Like, what the hell is wrong with you? And it was, you know, one of the greatest decisions of my life. What time do you wake up? I wake up at between 3.15 and 3.30.

I have two alarms. The first one goes off at 3.15, and the second one goes off at 3.30. I know I have that. I got a buffer. What time are you going to bed? Eight still? No.

That seems early. I sound like an old guy. No, go ahead. I get ready for bed at 8.30. I'm usually in bed between 9 and 10. Before I was in a relationship and I was a single dude, I was going to bed every single night, Monday to Friday, at 6 p.m. And I'd wake up at 2 a.m.

And between 2 and 3.30, I would skim through or watch full episodes of any of the big shows from the night before. Oh, so you could talk about them. Yeah. And then the next day I'd go, or sorry, and then I'd get ready and I'd be at work by 4 a.m. You just remind me later to ask you about your policy on spoiler alerts. Just remind me later because I had this out with Roz. Sure. He just reminded me of that show thing.

So you accepted and then you and, I mean, now we're talking in retrospect. Of course, the answer is yes, but were you at all concerned maybe the on-air chemistry wouldn't be there? Don't you need to do chemistry tests first before you commit? No, if it doesn't work, it doesn't work. That seems like a bad idea because, like, at least, I don't know, do a couple of, you did a couple of fake shows or whatever? Nothing like that.

Honestly, after I accepted the position and I said yes to working with Roz, we, up until the point where we did our first show together, we had met up once and that was on a patio on King Street. And I think, I guess the timeline would have been

maybe two months we met up or a month and a half we met up and then like another month and a half uh we did our our first show and we didn't have like any discussion like okay here's what we're gonna do or here's the kind of show we're gonna to do. It was just like, we showed up to work on the same day to do the show, and we're like, all right, you ready? But you both talk about this like that's a normal, sensible thing. You both as nonchalantly, oh yeah, we just did it. Yeah, it's weird, right? To me, it's bizarre, because I've never worked in radio,

but I do know if I had a co-host, I would need to know there was chemistry before I committed to the you know, the gig. Yeah, like, man, it's weird. Like, the morning show I did before when I was in Kitchener, when I got bumped up from Afternoon Drive, the show that I did, we went out for, like, before the show, you know, launched on the air. My co-host and I hung out, and we went out one day for breakfast, or we would, you know look at uh

how we wanted to structure the show and say okay you know like what are your interests here's what my interests are maybe here are a couple of things that we would like to talk about whatever but i don't know man i don't know how to explain what like it just was like pre-ordained like people ask all the time like like how do you structure the show and there's just like no structure it's just it's like i don't know if you want to call it like organized chaos but nothing's organized so what about uh damn it maury is that the name i'm looking for like what's his role in stitching it all together like he is just the guy that knows every not knows everything but like he just does everything for the show he is such a pitbull

well that's why you and ross don't have to worry about it getting getting getting guests or booking talent for the show uh um he's just like i don't know what goes on in his mind but i'm glad his mind works the way it does because he's just he works very very very hard was he uh producing the uh uh mad dog and billy show before he was yeah okay i think i think i met him like i think i came in i was meeting my buddy uh humble howard when he was on uh what was he on then easy rock or boom or whatever and then i think i believe i yeah i believe i met him once yeah damn it he was actually uh shortly after i left jack fm to in toronto to go work in kitchener at the beat uh maury came in and he was producing on chfi and he was also producing uh he ended up producing

uh jack fm that morning so so our our paths had like just missed each other right right uh we have on that note you mentioned chfi just before we forget that we should remember the great Julie Adam that many people come on and praise and sing her praises, but she's not infallible because she did fire Aaron Davis. Right. Remember, so she's not infallible. She is human. I'm trying to remember if I was around when,

if I was still at the company. I guess it was shortly after I had left. So I was outside of Toronto. I was in Kitchener kind of focusing on that. So I missed the entire... Close enough to hear the reverberations. Yeah, I was out of the market to follow along everything that was going on. I was just so focused on not failing in Kitchener. Well, you know, when you talk to radio people, one of the great questions is how many people have been like fired and then rehired? Like how many, how many times has everybody,

and then no, I guess I rephrase it wrong are fired. And then the person who does a firing realizes they screwed up and tries to undo it by bringing them back to the old position. Like that does not like that happened to Aaron Davis. Yeah. But I can't think of any very many other instances of that. Like that. Yes, of course everyone on radio gets fired and ends up somewhere else. But how many people come back to the exact same position at the same company? Yeah, I don't know. It doesn't happen to them.

I can't think of, at least in my 16 years doing radio, I can't remember anybody. So good on Julie for recognizing, to borrow Homer's phrase, she pulled a boner and she fixed it up. You know that expression, pull a boner? It doesn't work anymore. No.

They ruined it for us. You say that outside of this room, you could get arrested. So she pulled a boner in the old school fashion, not the new school. Okay, I got to ask you about this DJ climax. Yeah, man. So Roz tells me he's a lawyer. He is. That's the real deal.

This guy's a lawyer. Lawyer by day. This is... entertainment lawyer my daughter who is 10 turning 11 like this month uh is a huge fan of these fridays and you got your you just dj climax just does he because i like it too because it's the new stuff with the the stuff i remember like it gets all mixed up yeah man uh and it's great like but tell me well tell me what you're gonna me, and then I want to hear what's your role in this, because it seems to be like a Mocha DJ Climax thing. You seem to be involved.

Yeah, well, the thing is, I've known Climax for 11 years now. We met when I was in Kitchener, right, at the Beat in Kitchener. The radio station was doing a live-to-air. It was starting this new like the station had just launched and four weeks later they were launching a live to air cool from a nightclub called revolution up in waterloo and dj climax he's originally from waterloo and he went to school out there and everything and he like ran the dj scene he ran the party scene. Back in the day, any successful party that was being thrown

at any of the universities or clubs, they were all attached to DJ Climax. So of course this nightclub had DJ Climax running their Friday nights. that's how he and I met. We were both DJing and I was hosting this club night for 91.5 The Beat in Kitchener with DJ Climax.

And then eventually like we just became like, we clicked right away. We became really, really good friends. He's like one of my, one of my best friends. And, um, Is that his real name Climax? You'll have to ask him. Yes. With three X's. I see that. Risqué. But he, yeah. So so and then he and i did a we work nightclubs together and we ended up doing a mix show in kitchener called set it off

on saturday nights uh which eventually when i came back to toronto then he came to toronto as well and we did a live to air together for kiss and then launched the Set It Off mix show in Toronto on Kiss on Saturday nights between 8 and 10. And then, yeah, and then we just had this crazy idea of, hey, let's, you know, why doesn't Climax just do a mix on Friday mornings? Like there's no rules that say

that you can't have a mix show in the morning. And he went on the air one day and it like blew up yeah and people loved it and then we said hey let's do it again and it blew up again and we're like hey let's do this every friday i mean i really like it i think it i think a lot of people do and you know and i'm an old fart and a lot of old farts love it right that's cindy lopper in the mix that's sure and that's what he does that's that's one of his uh his greatest attributes is like he just knows music and he knows how to make everybody of you know every taste of music enjoy what's being put on the air he has something for everyone young and old like

do you know the do you understand the business side of this like uh like i guess if you play a certain length of a song now there's like uh there's like some kind of so can or so-can. I don't know how the music publishing on the radio works exactly. But how does it work with those kind of things? Do you know? Every song that gets sampled in the mix is a song played? We don't. Even CanCon. We don't concern ourselves.

You don't worry about this. Nah, we just like... Forget I mentioned it. No, he's a lawyer. He knows what he's doing. No, but it has nothing to do with who gets paid for what, like nothing like that. Like the listeners don't care about that.

No, but I mean, do you have, does anyone say, hey, make sure you have some Canadian content in the mix or no, you just do your thing. No, we just like whatever hot songs, whatever he, he has a hundred percent creative control over that hour plus of music that gets played. So any ideas that he has, any remixes that he wants to work on,

any requests that he gets from, uh, from listeners, um, he, that's all, that's all him. Like we have zero say,

and I would never, you know, I would never say, Hey, by the way, you got to play. And I'm just curious, like if there's ever been like a PD or some music director who poked their nose

and it just asked for some, he's a, he's an evil genius and he just does what he does and it frigging works, man. Like I tell you, there are, you know, other radio stations that have tried,

uh, to do, to, to counter program or try to do a mix in the same hour or try to do a mix in the morning. And it just doesn't, it just doesn't it just doesn't work right it just doesn't work because climax there's only one dj climax and there's only one person that can do what he does and that's him i heard flow has a dj climax with

four x's oh i did not know that and then i think i think i could be wrong virgin's got a dj climax of a k not a c oh i did not know that K, not a C. Oh, I did not know that. Just, you know, you got a good thing there. Did not know that. Imitation is the strongest form of flattery. Yeah,

so you got my seal of approval on the set it off with Mocha and TJ Climax. Thank you. Whatever you guys are doing Fridays. Yeah. My daughter loves it too.

And my wife loves it too. Yeah. She's trying to do everything for everyone, right? It's good stuff. And I don't know, you ever listen to like

Girl Talk? You know Girl Talk? He's a stuff. And I don't know, you ever listen to like Girl Talk? You know Girl Talk? He's a guy, Greg Gillis, and his performing name, you guys and your fake names, he goes by the name Girl Talk. Anyway, he puts out these, it's a gray area,

and he puts out for free, because he can't charge for it, I guess, these kind of things. And then he tours, and he makes a lot of money touring, playing live the mixes that he puts out for free, these albums. Yeah, we can't do that. DJ Climax could be doing that.

No, he actually can't. Nobody can, to be honest with you. Nobody can, because once you, you know, he can't. Well, he can't charge for it. Okay, I don't know, and I'm going to get off this tangent Well, he can't charge for it, but I mean, I don't know, and I'm going to get off this tangent here, except this Girl Talk does it.

Yeah. Girl Talk tours. Yeah. And people pay to see him, and all he does is mix up other people's material. Right. I mean, but at the end of the day, he's still making money off of a promotional tool

that he, where he's using, you know, other artists. for sure. That's why. where he's using other artists' music. Oh, for sure. That's why. So he's not like, I don't know this guy, so I don't know whether or not he, like I'm not saying that he doesn't pay for his music, but I don't know if he goes online

and he legally purchases, then that way. I can't imagine he does. It would be a pricey thing. Like who knows? I don't know. I don't know. Interesting. But at the end of the day,

you know, any music that gets played on the air needs to get paid for. And those artists and songwriters and publishers... But that's where I was going before.

Like, for... I'm going to make this up. Let's say you have to play 30 seconds of a song before you have to pay for it. No one says, hey, Climax, let's do 29 seconds of this song. They got people that figure that stuff out.

Alright, you don't worry about it. Leave the business to the eggheads. I just go on the air and I do what I do. All the business stuff, the business folk can handle. That's funny. You guys do a lot of there's a lot of TTC ads for Razamoka. You guys own the subway. Yeah, we try.

A lot of people use transit, right? It's expensive to own a car and especially young people right like your demo is young people and they're more likely to be on a subway i think yeah hey man like you look at the subway there is like every single demo guy girl every ethnicity yeah uh every single age group so we're just uh going to where where the masses are no beautiful have you ever seen the uh there's a guy he goes by the name kurt tunes and he does this like a cartoon series called subway thoughts have you seen and saying this for our podcast doesn't work because i don't actually

have the audio queued up but later uh i'll post it on the blog entry about this but uh he does this uh subway thought on boz and coco have you ever seen yeah have you seen this? It was my sister that sent that link to me. I don't know. And she was like, hey, I think this is about you. And I looked at it and I was like, yes, it's totally about me. There's no thinking about it. It's totally about us. It's flattering, man.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I love it. Like this cartoon on Boz and Coco, because of course Boz and Coco is Roz and Mocha. I think it's about you. This is about you. Totally. I find it's about you. This is about you. Totally. I find it flattering, man. I like that people

get a kick out of it, you know? I like it. So we've talked a little bit about the boring shit like business stuff like paying for artists and all that crap.

So on that note, do you give a shit about ratings? Of course I do. So when a book comes out, you guys, obviously you're you're obviously you're interested and then there's a big discussion about these numbers yeah i mean you know you're

always you're always curious right it's a race it's a battle out there right and you always want to win so of course like when when the numbers come out you're curious to see where you are and where you were and the potential of where you could be so it's exciting like we look at the numbers just i'm sure, you know, every other radio announcer in any given market around the world, when their ratings come out, they want to see where they're at, right?

I absolutely, I think so. Like I can't imagine not caring about numbers since it's like the only measurement you have that you're doing something right. Yeah, of course. We always pay attention. So let's say the numbers aren't where you want them to be.

Yeah. Is there a lot of like very convenient like excuses there? Like how many young people are carrying around a PPM device, for example, like all that stuff? No, you just kind of look at the numbers and you're like, all right, well, you know, let's just do better. Let's just go on the air the next day and do better and hope that the numbers... I mean, excuses can be made. Anyone and everyone could make an excuse to make the numbers not seem as bad if they are bad. But how many young people carry around the PPM device

that picks up this encoding? I don't know. I've never met one. Ask PPM people. They know. They know who they send out. They won't tell you. They won't tell you, like, this is how many people... I don't know. Let's make up a demo i don't know 18 to 34 like this is how many 18 to 34 year olds are in toronto are currently carrying a ppm device like they won't tell you yeah they'll say here's a sample size it's like 10 people right then it's 10 people each each one of those people

represent a couple thousand or whatever right i don I don't know. The system sucks. Have you heard of this? It's called Voltaire. Yeah, Voltaire. Have you heard of this? I have. Do you know if your station uses it? I know that we do not use it. That means you do know, okay?

You don't use it. Okay. I know that we do not use it. Do you think your competition's using it? I guess it's just in the back of your head, maybe. And then are you worried, like, maybe if they're using it, we should use it? Okay, just to tell people, tell me if if i get this wrong but it boosts the encoding sure so there's it's i guess so it's not like it can artificially give you more listeners but it

makes sure that all the people carrying the device pick it up instead of missing it or something like it doesn't have the encoding yeah so like let's say for example if a radio station or sorry if there's a store in i don't know down in the path let's say is listening to a radio station right any given station and without this device without this machine boosting the signal maybe this store is not picking up the signal down in the path right clearly uh as maybe that you maybe that radio station wants them to. So you put in this device, it boosts the signal. I'm walking around the path with my PPM meter, and all of a sudden this signal that was never clear before is 100% clear,

and now this signal is reaching my PPM meter. You know what? If everybody had the device, then it would be be either everyone has it or no one has it otherwise this is uh simple right but you can't have like one company or one radio but isn't that this is okay so you tell me rogers doesn't use it what if and just my magic well let's say bell media uses it yeah not fair no if anybody uses it right now it's not fair right right this is we need mocha we need to deal with this maybe not today maybe not right now but this needs to be dealt with either uh no one can use it and it's enforced or uh hey man listen it's like steroids it's

it's not my it's not my concern okay my concern is that my only concern is to wake up every day and go on the radio and do a kick-ass show, right? Right. And at the end of the day, if we can make people laugh, we can make people smile, we can provide solid entertainment, then I'm happy. No, fair enough. That's your department. The whole Voltaire, I mean, I don't know enough about it. I know enough of what I've heard

or what I've read. It exists. It exists. It's there. And some radio stations may benefit from it. Like I said, from what I know, Rogers, we don't have any of those machines. Although if Rogers was smart,

if they were using it, they would never let you know. So you can tell me now without lying that... Sure, like, I don't know, right? But again, I don't concern myself with any of that stuff. I just think this is going to become an issue in the world of radio ratings. Yeah, I mean, at the end of the day, PPM will either say,

listen, we're, like, you know, at the end of the day, PPM will either say, listen, we're like, you know, you are required to tell us whether or not you have these machines. For sure. Right. Or they will say it's free game. Anyone wants to get the machine? Go ahead. Because at the end of the day, if every single person has that machine and it boosts those signals then it will be level playing ground again right as far as i know like i don't know if

anybody in toronto has it i don't know if anybody's using it um if they are then i mean uh the truth will come out i guess right well back to what you specialize in which is an interesting content so you and mo you and mocha you and roz uh like this is okay so i'm going back to when the there was a big episode of gray's anatomy oh okay yeah all right i had roz in the next day i think i think it was the next day uh roz was here after mcdreamy died right okay so i don't watch gray's anatomy i should start with that but one episode my entire life okay so so uh ross does watch great anatomy every thursday this is a big character on great mcdream because even i know about mcdreamy yeah and i don't watch and i understand that patrick

dempsey and it's a big character so he dies and the very next morning so he dies i'd say it's like 9 30 p.m or something like that because it was 10 p.m he dies, I'd say it's like 9.30 p.m. or something. I guess it was 10 p.m. he dies. The next morning, Roz is telling everyone who's listening that Jimmy's dead. Yeah. You're okay with this? Of course, why not? It's a big story, man.

That is a huge, huge show with a massive audience. Yeah. If you're a fan of the show, you watch that show, and you're going to watch that show. Okay, but what about guys like you who have to go to bed early and PVR this shit, and then the next morning, so you're watching at 3.30 a.m. for your show, for example.

The average Joe can't do that. The average Joe is going to watch it the next evening, like maybe at 6 p.m. or something. You fucked up the episode for that guy. Yeah, well, guess what? It's a television show. it's right it's a tv show i'm not like i know i get emotionally attached to tv shows yeah but if i find out a bit of information then it's my own fault for either you know going on social media and looking for the content or but that's my point you're if you're looking for the content

it's on you okay like you go to a subreddit for the show or something like that now it's on you but if you you wake up to your favorite morning show Roz and Mocha to hear what's going on yeah that to me is it drops on you like you you have to avoid all media because McDreamy you don't know McDreamy died first of all you're ignorant to the fact there is news to avoid we were not going to be the only outlet for a Grey's fan to find out that information that day. Chances are that person would have gone to work and overheard a conversation with somebody else. Or chances are that person would have gone online and saw a headline that read McSteamy or fucking McDreamy is dead. I appreciate why you guys do it because you guys are about current events and the news of the moment. But you must understand why

I'm upset for the diehard Grey's Anatomy fans who had that ruined for them. I'm upset for them. Oh, well, whatever. Get over it, everybody. He's dead. He's not coming back. Alright, that's fair enough. You've interviewed some pretty big names on the Raz and Mocha show.

Who's your favorite interview? So far. Um, my favorite, damn. Or is there like a name? Like, like who's, I don't know.

Then in your mind and heart was the biggest name you ever, um, I don't know. Ooh, biggest name. Daniel Radcliffe was a pretty big name that came through. Uh, that dude's awesome.

He's such a nice guy. Um, Hulk Hogan. Oh man. Just growing up as a wrestling guy. Hulk Hogan. Oh, man. Just growing up as a wrestling fan. Cool brother. Yeah. That's an Andre the Giant mug right there.

Oh, yeah. Look at that. Yeah. Hulk Hogan. He was, man, that dude is huge. Did you start saying brother after that interview? Brother. The last time he came in to the radio station, I actually, for two or three weeks,

I grew out my mustache and beard. And the day that he came in, I shaved everything, but I left just the handlebars. I did not use the peroxide, but I did it just like the holster for him to come in. But yeah, man. Yeah, it's a big deal for me too. I was a WWF guy in the mid-80s.

That was my time. I'm probably a little older than you, and that's my whatever. So that's why I got the Andre the Giant going on. But yeah, Hulk Hogan was a big freaking deal. We're fortunate enough to get a lot of the big names that come through to the show, and it's trippy every single time.

Your show seems to punch above its weight when it comes to going viral. I find that a lot of times like uh here's one example that i i remembered when i was putting my notes together was the sarah thompson thing when she she i think she said to you you were interviewing sarah thompson and she said that she thought uh rob ford was on coke and uh like like to me then that became like a news unto itself this kind of like bomb that was dropped that we we were like what's that like stuff like that seems to happen a lot on your show yeah man i mean you know one of the good

one of the great things about our producer dammit more is that he um on top of the celebrities that he is able to get on our show um he's able to tap into that world of uh you know people who are making the news or on the cusp of making the news or has the potential to say a bomb to be making the news and that is just one of those interviews where um he you know went and said hey listen we're going to give you this platform um but we are going to ask you questions and she was totally cool with it next thing you know that story just like blew up that day and what happened like a few months later rob ford goes and admits that he smoked crack cocaine not the same level but i had a uh i have a blog toronto mike.com i don't know if you know that

and uh there was a discussion about rob ford and somebody left a comment with very specific details about how like he was friends with a woman whose mom had a house it turned out to be that windsor road the famous yeah and that he knew for a fact this commenter said that rob ford smokes crack yeah like this was like and it was all dropped in the comments and we all to a t like thought that guy was on crack like what are you talking about yeah like rob ford's an idiot but he's not smoking crack yeah and then we and then in retrospect all these details added up that it was so clear this person knew what they were talking about. But at the time, we had no idea. Exactly.

And that's why that one particular interview, it was like, you know, everyone was calling her a nutcase or, you know, saying like she's just saying stuff to kind of make the news. And look what happened. Turns out she was right. Then sometimes you got a lot of interesting viral stuff we mentioned and then just uh there is some that there's that one lady whatever there's a lady who uh lied about being raped to win like 10 000 bucks on your show your decision impossible you guys aren't doing that contest anymore that decision impossible uh yeah no we're not we'll leave that one staying away from that but you know that's you take the good

you take the bad you live and learn your way to the facts of life from that. But, you know, that's another thing. You take the good, you take the bad. You live and learn. That's the facts of life. Yeah. The facts of life. You know who wrote that song? Who? I think it's Alan Thicke. Oh, you know what? I think I did know that. You know how I knew that? From Dammit Maury, who knows, like, these weird facts. I think he did the different strokes one, too. He did. Yes. And, you know, there's

spinoffs. You know, Facts of Life is a spinoff of different strokes. It is. Because Edna Garrett was the housekeeper. She was, yeah. And Janet Jackson, I believe. Did Janet Jackson ever appear? Yeah, Janet Jackson was on Different Strokes. Right, because she was Todd Bridges' girlfriend. And I think she might have liked it.

And George Clooney was on Facts of Life. Absolutely. For sure, yeah. Over our heads. That was the story. Who knew? Yeah, that, yeah. Over our heads. Yeah. That was the story. Who knew? Yeah, that's great. Speaking of... So that was...

Oh, yeah. So we talked about McDreamy on Grey's Anatomy, which I always thought was like a shoddy, cheap version of like ER. Right. With George Clooney. George Clooney was on that too. That was a great show though. Unlike Grey's Anatomy.

Anyway. Do you think roz is too old to pull off that haircut like this is okay to have that haircut what i'm just fucking with you i just want you to trash roz so that i would never try i'm just setting you up i wouldn't no i would never uh you guys uh sometimes sing like who's the better singer you or roz oh i am come on now is that for sure yes all right i got some uh here let me see if this works so like sometimes you guys uh put together tunes like uh this is to state of mind not a great recording though this is you oh yeah no i didn't sing this who's singing this

this is uh producer that we work with out of LA who used to work for Kiss Honey 2 back in the day. Why don't you sing this? So who writes this? This was a collaboration between myself, Roz, and the guy singing it. But you couldn't sing it? No, I wasn't asked.

That's not fair. They're like, you got the ideas? I'm like, yeah. Yeah, we got some ideas here you go but this guy yeah this is uh trevor shan out of la uh i got a question about dr cabby here so i i remember seeing like so i gotta dr cabby was that like a like a bollywood thing like what is dr cabby like uh no it was just like a it's just like a regular movie movie Movie starring a brown guy, yeah. Okay, I saw a commercial for Dr. Cabby. Yeah. I don't know, did it go into theaters or select theaters?

Did I miss Dr. Cabby? Yeah, they have it on demand. Was this a big hit? It was, yeah. And I was quite on it. Like the guy who stars in the movies from Toronto. And we had him on our show a couple times already prior to the movie coming out when he was promoting some of his other movies. And he asked, he said, hey, like, you know, do you want to make a cameo in this movie that we have?

It's called Dr. Cabby and I'm working on it and we'd love for you to do a part. And I was like, yeah, sure. What the hell? Like, why not? Like, it's quite honored. Like, I don't know why you would ask me, but I feel quite honored. So you said, these are your words. I got to quote you.

You said, brown guy. Like, do you identify as a brown guy? Yeah, that's what I am. I don't know. Like, I got to be careful of these things. I'm a white guy. We aren't allowed to make assumptions. Man, people are too careful with too many things.

I look at you. Yes, you're a white guy. We aren't allowed to make assumptions. Man, people are too careful with too many things. I look at you, yes, you're a white guy. If somebody came to me and said, oh, we heard you on the Toronto Mike podcast. What was the guy like? Oh, super cool guy.

White dude. I went to his house. We hung out in his basement. It was all good. I don't know if we're allowed to, you can do it. I think that's the way it works.

The oppressed can do it, but the oppressors, the white people, can't do that. Like, you know what I mean? Sure, you can. It's sort of like how you can have a gay pride parade, but you could never have a straight pride parade. You understand? Like, you can have a caravana, but you can't have, like, Irish...

Why can't you have St. Patrick's Day? But you can't have, like, a white guy parade. You know what I mean? You can't do that. Yeah, try doing that in Toronto. See what the hell happens. You can't do that. So, let me ask you, though. If you identify as a brown guy. Yeah, try doing that in Toronto. See what the hell happens. You can't do that. So let me ask you, though.

If you identify as a brown guy, have you noticed that you're unique in that I can't think of any other morning show brown people in Toronto? Am I unique? Am I missing someone? You know what? I don't like... Do you even notice that? Do you notice that it's a very white...

Although, of course, not all white. Of course, Matt Galloway and stuff. He's not a white guy. No. You know what? I don't i grew up in in scarborough i you know went to high school in scarborough and like i hung out with all sorts of different races and different people and people of different religions so um i just i don't i don't know i just i don't pay attention to it like that.

Like I don't look at the Toronto market and say, okay, well, there's one brown guy that's on the morning. You know, you've never done that. I did that. Five other white dudes and like, you know, four white girls. Like I'm about, I don't know if this is true or not. So I'm not sure. Sure.

Sure. But I like, I don't, I don't pay attention. You haven't noticed, but I, you know, like we joke, we joke around about it a lot about race on the radio. People know that we're just messing around and stuff. Okay. I don't think I'm talking about weekdays. Now, forget weekends for a minute.

But weekdays, I actually don't. I think you might be possibly. I could be wrong. The only brown person. Maybe. On the radio. Like on television, it's different. You see diversity on TV.

I know it's on CP24 and these different shows like that you can see oh there's a brown guy and it's fine it's always fine but on the radio

it's very white yeah I guess especially on the if I'm the only one then hooray my brown people we made it yeah I just wondered

if you were aware of this and if you think you're inspiring to other brown kids to say hey I can you know i can have a morning show in toronto too no no no i you know what like like i said man like at the end of the day i just like radio is my passion radio is my love and uh i just want to do a good job and this is the this is my career and i'm gonna make sure you know when i And I'm going to make sure, you know, when I crack open that mic every single day, uh, you know, before, after outside of the show that

I'm representing the, the Ross Mocha show and, and kiss 92 five. And, uh, I just want to, I just want to do a good job. Are you now currently in your dream job? Yes. Mornings at 92.5. Yes, in your dream job yes mornings at 92.5 yes definitely um i didn't i didn't know my dream job was always to be working for kiss 92.5 in toronto when i was with the radio station after they launched for the amount of time that i was there for about two years right to when i went away my goal was to whether i was in calgary or in kitchener um my dream was to always always always be working for this particular radio station so when the opportunity in 2009 came up to come back to toronto i was like yes because this is this is my dream job and you know i I just feel very fortunate because a lot of people may have a dream job that they're not able to do for whatever reason. And I just feel extremely fortunate that this is my dream job.

And I'm like legit living my dream. And no desire to like move to TV or anything like that? No. Because Roz went to TV, you know, he does both. Did you know that? No. Because Roz went to TV. He does both. Did you know that? Yeah. Well, yeah.

No, totally. Of course I know that. When I was working in Kitchener, we did stuff together on the radio because the company that he worked for and the one that I, at the time, worked for, it was owned by the same company. So we would do things. He was on ET Canada and he would call in and we would just do like entertainment stuff together. But yeah,

no, I'm not, you know what? I'm very happy. That's a, that's, that's a good feeling. Like that.

Yeah. You're just keep trying to do your best already in your dream. That's amazing. Yeah. Yeah. I love it. You seem like a happy guy. Cause you seem like a happy guy.

Very happy. I have like, people ask me all the time, like, you know, even friends, just like whenever i catch up with friends who i haven't talked to in a while like yo how's things going

how's everything going with the radio and like stuff like that i'm like man i got like zero complaints last uh question because i'm curious because uh i'm just on our way out here is are you excited about the pan am games uh i hate what the pan am games have done to uh the city's traffic i think the city of toronto already has a major problem with traffic and bringing something like the pan am games i mean selfishly so the hov lanes are you're talking about oh fuck man all the big ones have it yeah hov lanes are ruining my life and like i think the hov lanes would work if everybody just followed what the rule is if you're a taxi cab if you are on a motorcycle which i still don't understand why motorcycles get to use i didn't know that yeah

motorcycles get to use hov lanes i don't agree with that uh and cars with three people but you always have those dicks that think that the cops are not around and that they're not going to get caught and they fly over into the hov lanes and when they realize that there's a cop ahead and try to squeeze in in front of me fuck you get a ticket i don't care yeah yeah but it's those jackasses yeah those guys are ruining it are ruining everything um okay so other than uh these hov lanes clogging up the highways uh Do you give a shit about the Pan Am Games? Personally, I don't. I'm not...

But do you give a shit about the Olympics? Maybe we'll start. Do you give a shit about the Olympics? If Toronto were hosting the Olympics... Yeah, I think that's a little bit different. I think I'd be a little bit more excited about the Olympics. To be honest, I don't know too much about the Pan Am am games i just know that uh selfishly it's ruining our city that's what i think i don't know you may be able to talk lots of good free concerts and stuff other lots of

parties yeah just yesterday i was at the uh the local the park near here had the uh the pan am torch relay come through it and it was it's a big party i spent three three hours with my youngest just out in the field where there was just lots of good music and the torch comes in uh natalie spooner from team canada who's also been on an amazing race she brings it in lights the cauldron just a good time like yeah i'm sure it's a great party and i'm the athletics i admit the athletics because it's not best against best yeah i don't have a big interest in it. I'm sure it's a great party, and it's going to be great for the city's economy, but I just don't think that what it's doing to traffic right now, it's making a lot of people angry, man.

Yeah. Torontonians get riled up about traffic. Yeah. Goddamn right we do. Goddamn right we do. And you've come all the way here from Scarborough. Is that right? Actually, I now live in Vaughan.

Wow. That's the city above Toronto. It is. I'm not saying that we're better than Toronto. The city... I heard you retired that... You're on council there. You retired that slogan or whatever.

The city above Toronto? I'm pretty sure it's gone now. All right. You did, man. That's a great slogan. It was really nice to meet you. Lovely guy. Thank you All right. You did, man. That's a great slogan. It was really nice to meet you, lovely guy. Thank you very much

for having me, man. I appreciate the time. Any bombs to drop? Anyone doing coke you want to tell us about? Well, I did hear that... I'm just kidding. I don't know.

I have no idea. No, man. What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas. Trust me. I've been to Vegas a couple of times. And that brings us to the end of our

128th show. You can follow me on Twitter at Toronto Mike and Mocha is at MochaFrap. Frap's just F-R-A-P. MochaFrap. Find him and follow him. See you all next week you