Toronto Mike'd: The Official Toronto Mike Podcast - Molson Park in Barrie Memories: Toronto Mike'd #711

Episode Date: August 25, 2020

Mike chats with Gilles Leblanc about the history of Molson Park in Barrie and their Molson Park in Barrie concert memories.

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and joining me this week to dive deep into the history of concerts at Molson Park in Barrie is Gilles LeBlanc. Thank you. Welcome back, Gilles. I'm a two-timer now. You're in the two-timer club. That's very exclusive.

A lot of people get the one crack, but who comes back for a second shot? I am beyond honored to have now joined that club, Mike. Thank you very much. Thanks for having me. No, great to have you. You intrigued me with this topic. I have a lot of great memories of Molson Park and Barrie. You know what?

Who doesn't, right? If you are from anywhere, I want to say within like a, I don't know, 50, 100 mile radius of that venue. And you are of a certain age as both you and I sort of are with children in university now. Right. That, you know, a significant amount of our adolescence and 20-something years were spent just up to 400 at Molson Park in Barrie. And, you know, so like on a day like today where it's a beautiful 25 degrees, sunny,

not a drop of rain in the sky, I mean, you don't even need a pandemic for me to be missing concerts at that particular venue. And I tell people, it has always been my favorite place to go see a show. And I miss it greatly. And so, I mean, not to get into a long story of how this topic kind of came up, but I'm actually... Well, no, like how did this topic come up? but I'm actually... Well, no, like how did this topic come up?

So to try to make a very long story short, I'm actually now a music columnist for Simcoe.com. All right, slow down, back up the truck here. Okay, so congratulations. So you write about music for an actual newspaper? Yes, I do actually. Do they print this newspaper? So, yes.

So the Torstar group of companies, which is no longer going to be called Torstar. I'm not sure what they're going to be changing their name to. But, of course, the Toronto Star, Torstar, they got bought out very recently by one of the Bitov sons. As you know, let's go Raptors. Right. And so they own close to 30. No, sorry. Way more than that. one of the Bitov sons, as you, you know, let's go Raptors. Right. And so they own close to 30, no, sorry, way more than that, like 80 community newspapers across Canada, or sorry, across Ontario.

Okay. And in particular, there's like, I think, eight of them in the Simcoe area. And then they all fall under the umbrella, if you will, of Simcoe.com. You know, so there's a Yorkregion.com, there's Toronto.com, and so it's all the content for those particular community newspapers. And so I am now their new music columnist for the site, and my articles get printed. They have been appearing in Aurelia today, so they come out every Thursday.

There's not many of you left, right? I know because Michael Barclay has been over in Aurelia today, so they come out every Thursday. There's not many of you left, right? Like I know because Michael Barclay has been over in my backyard and Ben Rayner, and these are just two guys that I just thought of who have actually been in this backyard this summer who used to write for newspapers and write about music who no longer do that. No. This is kind of awesome.

It's becoming a novelty now almost so so i'm i'm very honored and feel very privileged to be uh to be doing that um you know so and i just hope it continues because i love doing it and what's your deal with uh fotm alan cross like uh because you're you're you're a do you write for him too absolutely no. No, I still do. Alan and I, I think, are still on very good terms. Well, here, I'm going to patch him in. Alan, are you there? Alan. No.

He's actually been on vacation for quite a bit. So, you know, so. Well, when you're Alan Cross, your life is a vacation. Oh, no. Alan is a very hard worker. And so, you know, and still the voice of, you know, CFNY and Q107. Yeah, he's doing quite a bit for Q107 now. You know, but two great radio brands that, you know, I guess to try to tie in,

established themselves north of the city, north of the market where they originated, in Molson Park, in Molson Park. So they became identifiable through events that they held there, so to speak. Now, will you be prepared at some point to give me, like, I want to say the origin story, but like a little background on, like, when did it become Molson Park and Barrie? Because my experience goes back to the 90s, but did it have a different name before it was Molson Park in Barrie? Was it always a concert venue? could go back from I guess firsthand experience in talking to a couple of people um was that the

Mariposa Folk Festival so speaking of Aurelia today which I which I write for um the of course they have had their long time festival folk festival there called Mariposa um which dates back to I think the 60s at least you know so Joan Baez right like this is uh yeah the 60s at least, you know, so. So Joan Baez, right? Absolutely. Like this is, yeah, the 60s, the heyday, if you will. Yeah, exactly. So Joanie and, you know, all those, you know, I'm sure Gordon Lightfoot has played it a couple of times in this past. So it originated in Aurelia. It's now back to Aurelia, Tudhope Park, Tudhope?

Someone's going to correct me on this. And, you know, I know. You're going to let down your loyal readers. Yeah, I'm going to be shamed for it. Unfortunately, like everybody else, they weren't able to hold a festival this year. I think they did do some virtual stuff. But the interesting thing was that in a period from the 70s until, I want to say about 2000 from what I was able to gather,

is that there were a bit of a caravan-ish kind of, uh, festival where they like moved to different locations. And so from 1984 until 1991, I believe Molson Park and Barrie was their home. Um, so as far as I know, because the brewery was always there, um know, as some people probably know, in the 2000s, it became more known for a little bit of a grow up that they had going on at the abandoned brewery. But yeah, but as far as I know. And we'll get to this because I mean, I was at the last Bash and Berry, which was not the last Bash and Berry. But I mean, I was there to say goodbye to Molson Park and Barry as a concert venue. And then you'd hear about like Van Warp tours and stuff still happening there. Yeah.

From what I understand, the last one that was held there was in 2007. And the place was like almost like a shell of its former self. I feel like the last, tell me if I'm wrong, was it 2004 the last Bash and Barry? 2003 actually. Okay, yeah, that would make sense. Because it was the year of SARS, remember? Like, so this is all kind of coming around. That was the thing, like, so the Edge had

established themselves with Edge Fest. They had been running shows at Molson Park on Canada Day since 1987. that was actually the first one that they did 87 87 so now by the way let me know if i'm stomping on the because we're going to kick out jams related to the history like i don't want to interfere with that process i don't really have anything planned you know so okay so i don't want to i don't want to mess that

up uh how long has it been when was your first appearance what i remember the most from your first appearance is that a band came down the stairs in the middle of the episode. Yes, Jane's Party did. I was going to ask if... Jane's Party, and I never have got them on. So, Tyler, if you're listening, Tyler, you should be listening. They never came back? Probably my fault, but Tyler booked

Jane's Party. That's why we had the miscommunication. Because we share the calendar and I had... Anyway, it was a screw-up. All Tyler's fault, I assure you. I'm a great leader. I throw Tyler right under that bus that's heading to Molson Park and Berry. But I'm recording with you and then four guys come down the stairs and it was kind of a surreal moment of like, are they robbing us?

And then they didn't look like they were going to rob us, but it's kind of, they gave me a t-shirt, they disappeared, and I never did get them back and I got to get them back. I'm sort of upset they didn't do some buskering right on the side. That would have been cool.

And it's a good band too. You've heard some James Brown? They are very much, yeah. I can't think of any songs off the top of my head right now and I believe, aren't they signed to Dine Alone

or they have a relationship with Great Canadian Label? I'm just going to nod and go with your authority. You're the music writer. That's true. But you're throwing me a little bit of a curve ball in terms of bringing them up. Does anybody call you gills?

I've heard them all, Mike. Cause they've anglicized it. Uh, but it is, as I know, because Jacques Villeneuve's father, uh,

excellent F1 racer was Jill. That's right. So that's, that you renamed after Jill? Ferrari proud baby. No, uh, my parents apparently named me after some hockey player.

Oh, maybe. Was there a guy in the French Connection? I feel like the Buffalo had a French Connection. Well, there was Gilbert Perrault. Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. And I don't know where they would have got it. Because Gilbert is a very different name from Gilles. Or Gilles.

Well, listen, Gilles, glad to have you back. And I'm going to – is it okay? I put some cold – there's cold beers in front of you. If you need, if you wanted to join me, it's up to you. No, no pressure, of course. But I've always talked on this show for years about how my favorite Great Lakes beer was the Octopus Wants to Fight, but it might be changing, okay? Because I've fallen in love with Hayes Mama.

So here's Hayes Mama, also New England IPA. And honestly. Which one am I looking at here? Well, you know what? None of those are Hayes Mama. But you can, don't worry about the cameras. There's a lot of, there's a couple of lagers. You got your pale ale and then you have an IPA.

What's the colorful one on the side there? Yeah, that's your staple there. What's the one with the pink? The pink? No, not that one. The other side. Nope. That's okay.

I figure if I'm going to be here for a while. Oh, Burst. Burst, yeah. It's very colorful. Yeah, okay, Burst. That one also is popular, but the Hayes Mama is available year-round at your local LCBO. Amazing. And I'm going to crack one open on the mic here because it's a beautiful day, as you said. I feel like if

we were at Molson Park and Barry though, we'd already be a couple of deep. And we'd be, we'd be coughing up dirt. Do you remember the, the, the night, the night of in the morning after coughing up dirt?

Yes. Flemmy dirt balls. Absolutely. Like I just, and I would be in the shower million percent of them in the shower and it would be oozing, literally oozing from my orifices. Like where would this dirt come from?

It's, it's actually kind of of funny you're bringing this up now because I'm in the process of renovating my ensuite bathroom. And I didn't realize. La-di-da. Yeah, well, I don't have an ensuite bathroom. One of the perks of being a Simcoe.com music columnist, I guess. Don't tell Ben. He'll want that gig.

That sounds lucrative. Technically, I guess I'm the new. You're the new Ben Rayner. Local Ben Rayner but um don't tell ben he'll want that gig that sounds lucrative technically i guess i'm the new you're the new ben rayner local ben rayner i don't know but ben's a great guy you know i miss ben so um but ben made ben made seven figures okay they just couldn't afford that at tour star anymore please continue so you're renovating so you're you're experiencing the dust uh there's there's a lot of dust. And there was more dust than I thought there would be one day in. But, you know, it actually made me really think. And, you know, knowing that I was coming on the show to talk Molson Park memories,

it totally made me reminisce of those times that, yeah, you would literally have to take the next day off. Lollapalooza was always their logo. Usually they were Saturdays, these things, I remember, mostly. Not always. I remember some of them. Because you had to drive up. That's another thing, too.

Of course, these are the concerts where you can't take the TTC. You can't bike. You had to drive. As I was thinking of this, and here I am taking over your episode, but it is called toronto mic'd i feel i'm allowed to do that but i uh very early in my molson park life going to concerts up there and i went to many uh i learned that it's terrible to drive out of the parking lot after the show because of course you never want to leave early you want to

be there till the very end and then so i actually uh basically devised a plan where i would kind of get there early noon or whatever park at the walmart off the 400 they had a walmart oh and then i would go into the park and then at the end as right as soon as they're done me and usually it was my first wife and i went to most of those shows together so shout out to t we would very quickly, walk very quickly to get to the Walmart. And sometimes we could be like, we could be home sometimes.

Wow. Like 35 minutes after the concert ended. That's smart. That is smart. Nothing is not smart. I feel like I'm the George Costanza of a concert.

Because now I only bike to concerts so I can be home. Everybody's stuck in the traffic and I'm laughing at them as I cruise home on my bicycle. Now, not that there's, well, not that there's any concerts going on anyway, but at, what's it called now? Oh, Rebel. Sorry.

It used to be Sound Academy. Yeah, Rebel. It used to be the docks or whatever. Portland. There was, yeah, there was the TNT that was always there. And I don't want to, you know, incriminate myself, but, you know, I know for a fact that a lot of people would park there. Sure, but what's the capacity of Rebel? Like 2,000 or something?

I don't even know. But I do know that. Oh, that is smart. What was the, like, I think I got a question for you now, actually. Mike Rogotsky, he's a good FOTM. I saw that. Can you ask a rock enthusiast, because that's your Twitter handle, what the largest crowd for a concert at Molson Park was.

What were we talking? I always thought, I'm going to tell you, maybe I'll tell you right now. Actually, maybe. Maybe I'll play a little music. This is not from the 10 we're going to play. This is like a bonus jam, but I just was thinking about... We had to bring this up. Well, of course, because this is the 1998

Yield album. Loved Yield. I thought Yield was fantastic. Came out on my birthday, actually. So, a little fun fact. And I remember, I was in Vancouver, and they had a huge display outside, like an HMV for the Yield album. Anyway, I was a big Yield fan, but a little in hiding from Pearl Jam because when I think back at all the Molson Park and Barry shows I attended, my favorite is that 1998 Pearl Jam show. And here's what I remember, and you can tell me I'm misremembering. The small stage, which I watched every act on the small stage, I remember All Systems Go.

Have I already scooted up? I'll tell you a story afterwards. Okay. Go ahead. I know for sure Hayden was there. Yes. Love Hayden. Hayden was there. Matt Good was there. Matthew Good.

Apparently. I saw him. He was very good. Apparitions. Don't tell me. Don't tell me. Definitely the headliner of the small stage was Cracker. Low. That was a great disc.

Kerosene Hat. Kerosene Hat, yeah. Great album. Am I missing a band on that small stage? Give me a moment here. Do you think I'm missing one? I can't tell you. I can't tell you.

I wouldn't know. Okay. That's what I'm remembering from that small stage. It was fantastic. And then I remember when you went to the big stage, you had, of course, Cheap Trick. Yes. And then I remember when you went to the big stage, you had, of course, Cheap Trick. Yes. And then Pearl Jam.

Now, sorry, was it only Cheap Trick and Pearl Jam? On the big stage? Yeah. That's it. Okay. Okay. Because that was one of the shows. And I mean, again, to kind of incriminate myself in a lot of ways, when I was going up with friends way back in the day to Molson Park,

we would get there at a decent time after fighting traffic for, you know, two, two and a half hours, three hours up along the 400 because we didn't know the back roads back then, like some friends have since told me. Oh, you didn't have to take 400, they're telling you. Well... Because I always took 400, but I went to the Walmart. I think a lot of people did.

But I mean, you know, like now that I've heard from people, and especially since tweeting this out with you, they were like, oh, you could have just taken this highway. We didn't have Google back then. No, exactly, exactly. The kids will, you know, are unsympathetic towards us. But I would be, I would get to the parking lot, but in a lot of times would stay in the parking lot and then the party would be happening there so for that pearl jam show i

absolutely and this is why and someone else actually asked for a bootleg of it um if a bootleg exists of it because eddie was in a eddie vetter was in a very talkative mood that very jovial remember the canadian with the watermelon on his head? Well, that's what I was going to get at. He's Canadian of the year right there. So I can't remember if we saw the watermelon guy, but we absolutely saw the people on the flatbed truck with the couch. Yeah, he was in a really good mood.

And that was at a time, like, that was 98. So Eddie was still, like, we didn't think Eddie would, we weren't sure if eddie was happy in life i feel that's a good you know what that's a really good point actually you know so um well because think about it right before they had done um uh they had done the no code album which they took like a little bit of a different direction in terms of that's the neil young album no yeah no code No. Neil Young is Mirrorball. No.

But No Code is essentially the album that was the Neil Young album. I know what you're saying. It's not the I Got It or Merkin Ball. It's not Merkin Ball. No. Yeah. But that's still the album. I always think that's the Pearl Jam album that was them being heavily influenced by Neil Young.

Okay. That's fair. That's fair. Yeah. They took chances like Neil has done throughout his entire career. I can that's fair. That's fair, yeah. They took chances like Neil, you know, has done throughout his entire career. I can get behind that. That's cool.

There's harmonicas and things going on in there. It's a good album, but I mean, Yield was really for Pearl Jammer Return to Form. And so as mentioned, it actually came out on my birthday in February. And I can't remember when the show was actually announced, but I knew there was like a long lead up to it and that we knew that we were going.

And yeah, one of those we just, we looked forward to it the entire spring up until the summer. And it was, yeah. And it was like an August 22nd. So it's almost like almost the anniversary here. And I feel like that was something like 35,000 strong, maybe something like that. So we 35,000 strong, maybe.

So we're going to get back to our original point. See, for me, I always thought the capacity and I always knew of the capacity as around that 30,000-ish or so. So the legend being of when CFNY held their first event there in 1987, that they attracted 25,000 that Canada Day in 87. 87. Do you remember any of the headliners or lineup for the 87 show? I'm pretty sure 5440. I got it here somewhere. Okay, we're going to play some jams.

I'm pretty sure 5440 was the headliner, if I'm not mistaken. But, you know, some bands who would have been there at the time, Bootsauce, Blue Rodeo, I think, played, Pursuit of Happiness. I may be getting the years wrong, but that was like that early era. Wait, when did the Violent Femmes, that's a bit later, I guess? Because I know the Femmes played one of those. I think it was either 90 or 91. No, you're absolutely right about the Femmes, though.

I need to give a shout out to Keith because he's watching live. So if you're watching live on Periscope, tweet at me and you'll get a shout-out. And that's exciting, right? Is that Keith Willen? Do you happen to know? Can you see? Cool 75. I believe it might be Keith Willen.

Why, do you know Keith Willen? I do know Keith Willen, yeah. I think it's him. And, you know, I think his dad's a listener. I got to shout-out Wayne. I think Wayne's a listener. So, Keith, I think his dad's a listener. I got to shout out Wayne. I think Wayne's a listener. So Keith,

say hi to your dad for me. Once in a while, I get emails from Wayne. I don't think he's on Twitter though. And Keith, if you are listening, miss you, buddy.

Miss going to shows with you. He's watching live. Nice. Absolutely. Okay. He's a good guy. I'm going to play, I mean, I'm going to start playing the songs

because I think they'll jog stories and memories and stuff like that. But before, did you want to shout out any of your personal favorite? Because I did mention that Pearl Jam show, but I also want to say like the ones that pop out. I saw Radiohead at Molson Park in Barrie. See, missed that one.

Missed that one. And that was such a, like just one of those great nights, clear nights. And it's like, they were so like, I don't want to say avant-garde or something. They were just so like,

they felt, it felt like you were kind of like, oh, this is like the future. Like it just didn't feel like a straight up rock show. It's, it felt different, man.

Well, because I just got, so not the kind of spoiler. I got the new, like an advance of the new, there's a new book that's coming out on Radiohead. And it talks about how, you know, how. That's why you're a music writer, because you get the advances. I get the little perks, you know, so.

I get you, smart. But of course, Kid A came out in, okay, now I'm getting this mistaken. Kid A was 2000 and Amnesiac was 2001, correct? And then they played Barry in 2001, if I'm not mistaken. Okay, then I'm at that show. Yeah, yeah. But I mean,

the whole book is about how it was the dawn of a new century and here comes, you know, this band who, you know, it wasn't really Britpop, but it was definitely alternative rock, very guitar heavy. Johnny Greenwood is still one of the greatest guitarists of all time.

But, you know, like Kid A comes around and it's a total rejection of everything that they've done in the past. And like you were just saying right now, it's this new kind of, you know, direction that they're going in. It's a great night, man. It's a great night. And I just want to shout out the Somersaults. So just last week, I think on Pandemic Friday,

we were talking about Smashing Pumpkins. And Stu Stone and I, we were both at that farewell tour with Somersault. We were both really disappointed, like both of us. We didn't know each other at the time. And we were both at the recent, at the Scotiabank Arena. We both saw, not together, but we both saw Smashing Pumpkins again a few years ago,

and we were both blown away. Like, it was night and day, those two shows. The 2000 show at Molson Park in Barrie, and that was, by the way, of course, that's always Our Lady Peace, but we're going to kick out some jams and tell more of these stories.

But I just want to shout out the franchise, of course, I've seen the most times at Molson Park in Barrie, Edge Fests. I loved, I loved Edge Fests. I'm going to be honest. And I feel like I can be honest with you, Mike. You don't like Edge Fests.

No, no, no, no, no, no. It's not that. I've been to a couple of Edge Fests. I have never actually been to an Edge Fest at Molson Park. Oh, you missed the great headlining Nickelback. And by the way, another year I saw Creed was the headliner. So. Oh, you missed the great headlining Nickelback. When you, yeah. And by the way, another year I saw Creed was the headline. That's how cringy these are.

Creed have played twice. Three Doors Down have played twice. Oh, yeah. You still call me Superman. But you looked through the history of, you know, the acts that pass through, you know, in the Edgefest era, if you want to call it, which was from 96. So I saw some shows at the Molson Amphitheater at the time. I actually saw Blur, Blur and Ned's Atomic Dustbin. That was an awesome show.

At the Amphitheater. That was at the Amphitheater. That was 95, I think. But yeah, no, it was fantastic times. But I mean, you start looking. So Edge Fest took place at Molson Park. They moved back to Molson Park from 96 until 2003. But they were all in and around Canada Day, except for that 2003 edition because of SARS.

And, you know, they kind of, you know, it was like kind of like a last gasp kind of effort. Right. You know, to try to, you know, it was like kind of like a last gasp kind of effort. Right. You know, to try to, you know, like, let's make it all Canadian. And so the hip and our lady peas were there. Sloan. I got to say, shout out Sloan, because guess who's going to be sitting in that chair tomorrow? I know it's Jay Ferguson. And I was actually going to ask you. Yes.

Can you ask Mr. Ferguson for a Molson Park memory? Of course. I'm just hoping I don't forget to ask him. I will take a note. But yes, I will. I will because I have, I guess I can spoil this a bit, but I really need to talk to him because apparently when he played Molson Park in 94, they were all but broken up.

Sloan was done. Like Sloan was done because the commercial failure of Twice Removed, they were done. Of course, one year later, they end up... I'll let him tell the story and we're going to really dive deeper into this, but they had good money for playing an edge fest in the summer of 1995.

They have to stay together for that. I think the problem was one of the members moved to Toronto. They were still based in Halifax, I guess. Chris Murphy, I think, said what one of the members moved to Toronto and I think because they were still based in Halifax I guess yeah and Chris Murphy I think said what's the fucking point

if we have a member in Toronto you can swear but bottom line is they were done but one year later one chord to another comes out

and they're completely reborn anyways they're still kicking today so I'm going to save all that for tomorrow but I'm going to save all that for tomorrow. But do you mind if I just start playing jams and then we can talk to the jams? Of course, Mike.

Now, I will tell you. This is your show, by the way. I want to let everybody listening at home or watching on Periscope know that Gilles did say, hey, here are the 10 bands I'd like to play. And then I was able to choose which songs I wanted to play from the bands. So I've chosen these 10 songs. So here's our first jam as we talk about Molson Park and Barry. guitar solo It gets so sticky down here Better butter your cute finger up

It's the start of another new year Better call the newspaper up Two fifty for a hot bar And a buck and a half for a beer Happy hour, happy hour Happy hours here Happier, happier, happier tears I now look at the notes here, and you were thinking of Blow It High Dough, but I'm like, nope, we're going to change it up on you. Absolutely fine, Mike.

As is my right. And you wore it. Yeah. No, no, no, and you wore the shirt for the occasion. Oh,, Mike. As is my right. And you wore it. Yeah. No, no, no. And you wore the shirt for the occasion. Oh, yeah. I forgot it was my shirt.

I'm not sure what happened to all my Dratscape shirts. Well, you know what I lost? I only have like one long sleeved one from like, I don't know, a concert in 03 or something. And then this,

because it's the last show. I bought it at the last show. So everything else is gone. It's held up very well, I gotta tell you. It wasn't that long ago. I still have my, and I should have worn it now that I think about it, but I still have my Pearl Jam shirt from that 98 show at Morrison Park in Barrie.

I paid $40 cash for it. Oh, my God. Still, that's 98, so that is 22 years ago, and I still wear it. So I'm pretty sure, no, it was at Lollapalooza 92. I bought the Jeremy shirt, you know, with the little girl on it or whatever. Or was that even flow? There was the one shirt that they had, the classic one, with the little girl on it, or the younger looking girl on it.

So I'm pretty sure I bought that at Lollapalooza 92 the first time I saw them. Because that was my first experience with them. Wow. All right, so the hip. Yes. Now they have kind of a unique relationship with Molson Park. You take it away, but when did they play Molson Park and Barry the first time? So that would have been from my notes. That was 89. Now a lot of my stuff I have to go off of setlist.fm, the greatest music resource in the world. Yeah, it's a good database.

Yeah, absolutely, absolutely. But I was even looking on the Hips' own website because they had their kind of like concert chronology. And I couldn't find anything for 1989 that they played at Molson Park. But you found a set list? Like you found a set list on setlist.fm? Yeah, setlist.fm has them. And I even saw a ticket stub from 89.

And they are absolutely listed on it. Now, setlist.fm has them playing twice that day. I'm not quite sure how that happened because it was a stacked lineup with other performers that were on it now setless fm has them playing twice that day i'm not quite sure how that happened because it was a stacked lineup with other performers that were on it um i'm just looking at my notes here so like in 89 you would have had the spoons sons of freedom carol pope sons of freedom i have this argument all the time bigger in the west of canada right i guess so yeah i mean i quite i have a huge black like i have a huge blind spot for Sons of Freedom.

But I'm a 90s CanCon guy. What the heck is that about? Did CFNY play them? Well, they must have if they're going to have them on their own show, but I remember seeing them from, because of course much music used to broadcast from Molson Park in a lot of years, so I remember seeing

Sons of Freedom and enjoying them. Can you name a song for me? From Sons of Freedom? Now you're really testing me. No, I cannot. I cannot. It's almost like you ever hear that Mandela effect and people are like, man, no way, man.

Berenstain was always spelled this way. I have that whole thing. Sons of Freedom, do they exist? So they seem to have, and probably, again, somebody's probably going to correct me on this or whatever, but I remember them being more of a, you know, almost like a reggae kind of vibe, you know, like a, you know, like that folky kind of like spirit of the West kind of thing.

But I remember watching on Much Music. Yeah. Some of the performances that they would broadcast from Olsen Park. And I remember them being a lot heavier. And I was like, okay, well, this is pretty cool. So not to say anything bad about them. It sounds like Southern Rock to me, like the name, just the name.

I haven't, anyway, okay, we'll move on from Sons of Freedom. I just always- That's going to have to be Park here. Because, you know, I try to pretend I'm a musicologist sometimes, and I host this show, and I'm a curious cat, and I have all these experts like yourself on. And they come up, Sons of Freedom, quite often.

And every time I'm like, how did I miss them? Like in 1989, I'm like a 15-year-old guy who loves rock and roll. And Sons of Freedom is like, I don't know. But do you want to know what the thing is, Mike? Tell me. No, but you know what? There's a lot to go through.

And there's a lot that you could potentially miss. You know what I mean? So this is why these festivals were sort of great when they happened at Molson Park. Because it ended up being like, how can I put this? Like if there was, so they, and I don't mean to jump around a little bit, but take for example, and I think you were at that too,

the 94 Nine Inch Nails and Soundgarden. Not the so much jump ahead. No, but I wasn't there. Okay. But there, the 94, Nine Inch Nails and Soundgarden. Not the So Much Jump Ahead. No, but I wasn't there. Okay. Oh, no, you weren't? Okay. But those were two separate tours that ended up being booked for Molson Park. So they kind of like these two separate tours came together.

And because the venue had, you know, garnered this reputation of having Lollapalooza's and you know like what would become Edgefest on there they had to make it like a one-day festival kind of thing right so they sort of stacked the lineup with like way more than you would expect at a normal festival so you know not only do you have a great time obviously but you're exposed to so many different kinds of bands that you could discover it was great value like i always thought edge fest and they were like 30 tickets and yeah you might go you might be going for let's say foo fighters or whatever but the bands you were gonna see you know before foo fighters like you know sometimes it was the same old same old uh but it was always like

almost always like worthwhile just to check out rising bands, falling bands, you know, good times. And value for your money. And you're probably going to discover somebody who you're going to be like, hey, I'm going to check that out. And you always have those regular customers. Like I'm thinking now like, oh crap, what do they call it? Who are the, Goldfinger.

How many times did I see Goldfinger at an EdgeFest? Like, I've never ever gone to a Goldfinger. You know what? And I always enjoyed them. I'm trying to look. I did... I'm cheating here a little bit. That's okay.

Go ahead. I got good Wi-Fi back here. So, like I was saying, or like I was... I think I was telling you. So, the record for EdgeFest, we're jumping around a lot. And that's cool. Okay. Make sure you come back to the hip, though, because I want to do more hip talk.

Because I actually have because i actually have a little story to tell with that too um so the um uh so i was ranking like how many times people have played so uh finger 11 and the tea party are tied with five appearances each where's moist because it fell to me as a guy who was going every year to Edgefest that Moist and Tea Party took turns. Like, that's how it felt. Moist is twice.

Only twice? But I mean, but to be fair... Shocker. That's the first shocker today. To be fair, this is Molson Park. Yeah.

But I'm only thinking Molson Park right now. Yeah. But I mean, we could have had it because there was a tweet that you got from, I'm not 100% sure

who the account was, but they were like, oh, i could have sworn that i saw the vans warp tour there in like 96 or whatever and that was at most sport park most right so i think that was to resident you know what i mean okay maybe yeah yeah but i mean like that was the thing so it's like for example like i saw neil young at cne stadium in 93 with Pearl Jam and Soundgarden, which was a phenomenal show. Wow. But I missed the 96 one when he had Oasis there. So, you know, but I know a lot of people saw that Oasis show and, you know. One problem I've never had, maybe it's because I haven't been to enough shows.

Because, you know, you have some people, you know, like, I mean, the Ben Rayners of the world have been to thousands and thousands of shows. Like Ivor Hamilton, he's an FOTM. How many shows has Ivor Hamilton been to, right? Like, I can't imagine. But me, where it's like a reasonable number, I was lucky to go to a few shows a year. I've never had trouble remembering what the venue was. Like, I know exactly which venue.

Like, I personally don't, maybe it's because, again, I haven't been to enough shows or whatever. Quick shout out to Bluesy Pink. Bluesy Pink is watching live and remembering losing his or her. I don't know if Bluesy Pink is, how Bluesy Pink identifies. Bluesy Pink is my wife, actually. Is it?

Oh, okay. Lost her future brother-in-law in the wave of people exiting. By the way, we ended up finding him. So, Bluesy Pink is your wife. Bluesy Pink is my wife. Okay, she's watching live. Greatest wife in the wave of people exiting uh by the way we ended up finding him so bluesy pink is your wife bluesy pink is my wife she's watching greatest shout out to uh bluesy pink she is the best i dragged her to molson park for two shows we saw lala blues in 1995 because uh i wanted to take her to go see hole i mean come on you gotta see there for courtney which ended up being a great lineup but uh we took my brother at the time.

So my brother would have been 15. When you lost him leaving. Yeah. And so. It can happen. And so he was there with his friend. No cell phones back then. No, exactly.

So he was there with his friend. And I think it was right before Cypress Hill. He's like, hey, man, we're just going to go to the front. We'll meet you back here later. Yeah. And meet you back here later meet you back here later where the hill you know like wherever beforehand you had to be like this is our spot this is where you go

like at Canada's Wonderland when you tell the kids go to the mountain so that's the thing so we lost him so there was Cypress Hill there may have been someone else afterwards and then Sonic Youth was the headliner. And so halfway through Sonic Youth set, and I couldn't appreciate it really at the time,

but you know, it's like Sonic Youth are awesome. But like halfway through, I'm kind of like, I'm never going to find my brother again. Like what's going to happen? So, but my wife, my wife-to-be at the time, she worked at Candles Wonderland for years. So she had that experience in terms of like, okay,

what are we going to do? Right. And from what I remember, we went to, we left a little bit early and we went to the only entrance that we knew that they had to have passed by at one point. And so, because like he's 15,

like he's not going to remember where the car was parked or anything, but yeah. And I can't remember if the car was parked or anything. But yeah. And I can't remember if I grabbed him first or if it was my wife-to-be. But yeah, we found him. These problems have all been solved by cell phones. It's kind of amazing. But there was something about, you know. There's something about being able to be lost.

I agree 100%. That whole like you could be lost is all gone for the better maybe but there's some something to that like you could you could actually go to a concert of 40 000 people or whatever and be lost and get and get lost when i mean and i've said it before too and in talking about all these memories with people is that as a Gen Xer at the time, like a 20 something, it was the perfect place.

It was like this Sherwood magical forest of, you know, just, you could get lost and let out some steam for a couple of hours. And, you know, just, you had no cares in the world.

You could check out the, uh, like a Mojo robes. You remember Mojo robes? Uh, I did all the vendors they'd have. Like I remember these. Yeah. cares in the world. You could check out the Modrobes. Remember Modrobes? All the vendors they'd have. I remember these vendors. I guess they would have had them even at a not-long-ago music show. You don't remember Modrobes?

I hope I said it right. I've never heard it out loud now that I mention it. I always assumed it was Modrobes. Well, if they're still around, now you have to get them a sponsor, Mike. Come on. You can close that deal. I'm going to set you up here because this is a fun fact you shared with me, and I'm going to read it off your notes here. Okay.

So the Tragically Hip are one of two bands that played both the CFNY early Canada Day shows because they did those, right? They did a bunch of those, 87 to 92, right? It was called the Canada Day Festival from the ticket stubs that I've seen. So Set List had them listed as Edge Fest. They were not called Edge Fest. They hadn't been branded Edge Fest yet. They hadn't been branded as Edge Fest.

Right. And they also, the Tragic Clip, of course, also played Edge Fest. So they're only one of two bands that can make that claim. At the Last Bash in Barrie. Right. And I saw them at the last Bash and Barry. At that time, I was seeing all the hip shows. So I went through a period where I would see every hip show. Who wasn't?

That was during that period. But here's a jam from the other band. Nice. Hey there pretty girl can I kiss you? All you've said to me, I think I'll miss you. She said no one can kiss me while people scream They're screaming for me One gun added on to the one gun

One gun added on One gun added on to the one gun One gun added on Hey, now, pretty girl gone at it on to the one gone one gone at it on hey there pretty girl what is with you it's FOTM

Neil Osborne and 5440 so did you have him and Candle on at the same time yes but

Candle didn't tell me she had like a hard out 30 minutes into the episode so I was gonna like close with her because I was going hard Yes, but Candle didn't tell me she had like a hard out 30 minutes into the episode. Oh, okay. So I was going to like close with her because I was going hard on 5440 thinking she had like 90 minutes like her old man.

And then she's like, I got to go. And then I'm like, I didn't know that. But anyway, so I didn't really get to dive deep into the Candle Osborne stuff. And she's fantastic too. But she technically was on the episode. Therefore, she is technically an FOTM like yourself. And she's fantastic too. But she technically was on the episode, therefore she is technically an FOTM like yourself. Sounds good.

Sounds good. But 5440 is the other band. So 5440 played a CFNY Canada Day Festival and an Edge Fest. They played in 88, 90, and they actually played the Great Canadian Party Day

in 92, which of course, day on, uh, in 92, um, which of course, you know, was famous for spinal tap being there, you know? So, um, so they played those three shows, which were CFNY kind of branded. And then the, uh, the newly minted edge fest in in 1996, when they returned to Molson park, Park. They played the first one there. So there you go. Where were they before Molson Park? Well, they moved around. Well, I know that, what was it, 92, I think?

They would have it at the Forum a lot. So were they ever on the island? Or am I dreaming? That's a dream. I don't think that happens. That's a fever dream. And I had a feverish dream. We still have some hip stories to tell too.

Okay, give me the hip ones and then come back to 5440. But yeah, no, I remember I saw V-Fest with Foo Fighters on the island. I don't know if The Edge ever did anything there. I've never seen a show on the island. There was, yeah, I saw V-Fest there. Like, is it a pain in the ass to get there and back?

I know shows happened on the island. I've just never been there. So you would have to wait for the ferry, obviously. Kayak to those shows. You know what? I saw someone actually rent a boat or they had a boat and they were like, it's obvious that they were at the show and they were like, that's the way to go. Way back. even if you're going honestly even if a band you

like is at the Molson amphitheater or now it's called the Budweiser stage there is a spot and they can't own that water like you could take a boat there's a place in the water where you can hear the show I don't know if you can see it or not but you can hear it well there's yeah and there is yeah I've heard about did I tell you I, I went to the, I was working the C&E in 89, and Rolling Stones were there doing their Steel Wheels tour. Yes. And I went outside, I was outside the door, like I took a break, and I spent an hour listening to the show.

I couldn't see anything, but I was outside. Oh, still. So that's my, the only time I've come close to seeing the Rolling Stones. Wow. Still, that's pretty good, though, you know? Tell me the rest of your hip stuff. Okay, so, I mean, we could make an entire show about the hip, but I mean, so I mentioned before

that they apparently played twice on the 1989 show, but I've never really got that confirmed outside of... Well, I know people at CFNY. Like, I can ask the Scott Turners or whatever. We could. I have connections, Joe. Well, there so let's know so let's try to confirm if they did play twice in 1989 because if that happened um then they have made the most appearances technically so they were there seven times um but if they played twice that would would have made eight appearances. But who plays a concert, a festival

twice? Like, has that ever happened? Well, they played the Edge Fest. They played, well, they played one Edge Fest, technically, and then they played, like, three of the Canada Day shows. No, but the same actual festival at the same venue, nobody plays

two sets. Nobody does that, so that's why I'm trying to get that confirmed. Not only does nobody do it, but there's a reason. Like that sounds, it's like when you hear a band playing the same song twice, because they, maybe that's their big hit or whatever.

And they come back to it. Like it's super cheesy. Absolutely. Absolutely. No, I don't, I refuse to believe. Where's Jake Gold?

Do you have him on speed? I can phone Jake Gold right now. There's no way they played it twice. I tried to get Jake to confirm that actually. Because he was nice enough. So as a little bit of a spoiler, I have an upcoming article in Simcoe.com

or on Simcoe.com where Rob Baker shares his Molson Park memory. He was talking about when they played in 1990. Now I'm going to forget here because I wrote the article and I don't have it in front of me, but they were road-testing new songs.

Yeah, road apples. They were road-testing road apples. Because Up to Here came out in 89, right? That's right. Hang on. Maybe I'm thinking of the 90. They were probably road testing that little bones i played earlier maybe or the 92 maybe it was the 92 one okay that's

fully completely stuff because i know yeah because he uh rob rob baker did mention fully completely so um but i guess they had they were trying out a new song and i don't have the name in front of it here but it was something about burning my boots. And I had seen this in a couple of tweets that people were giving in terms of their memories that they remember Gord literally wearing his boots or taking off his boots and burning them on stage. So that's the memory that Rob Baker will share. So you're going to have to keep an eye out for Simcoe.com.

I'm going to bookmark it. Do people still bookmark sites? I'm going to bookmark them when I get home. I don't know if they do, but I can tweet. No, you know what? It's got an RSS feed? I don't. I'm an RSS guy.

No, but the Simcoe.com. So you know what? Let me tweet it to you, and then you can arrange all of that. Okay, good stuff. But if I could give another little quick shout-out, which kind of like turns this around a little bit. I had a friend, actually, I found out later, he's actually a very good friend of my brother,

which I didn't realize because I was talking to this guy on Twitter for the longest time, and I didn't realize that there was a connection actually with my family. But Dale Gago, you know, I want to give a quick shout out to him. So he shared a memory with me today of, you know, I want to give a quick shout out to him. So he shared a memory with me today of, you know, and this is like the whole thing about, you know, getting lost at Molson Parker and everything. So he shared how he went to another roadside attraction in 97, which again,

was the sort of the continuation of festivals that were happening at Molson Park. But at the same time, it was kind of like a little bit of a one-off because they had, they moved another roadside attraction around a little bit, but it was there in 97 and Wilco was one of the bands. Actually, I thought that was pretty cool. Shout out to Dave Hodge, big Wilco fan. He very much is.

So, so Dale shared this great memory with me about how he was like 17 at the time and just so very excited to see the hip for the first time ever. 87? No, no, no, this was 97. 97, okay, I'm sorry. I'm paying attention. So they took a go bus that they just said was going to Barrie. So they ended up overshooting it on the highway

when they realized that the go bus was actually going to downtown Barrie. Right, of course. And, you know, 17-year-old kids at the time, what are you going to do? Hitchhike. Well, they basically walked on the highway towards Molson Park. Yeah, what are you going to do? Exactly, what are you going to do? So they ended up getting pulled over by a cop who the cop then ended up.

And the cop goes, where are you long hairs going? That's right. Well, I don't know what his hair would have been like back then. But so the cop ended up driving them to Molson Park. They have a great time at the show. And when the show is actually over, they didn't really have any contingency plans to get home. So Dale ended up calling his parents and I think he said

Mississauga or where, it doesn't matter. Somewhere in the western portion of the GTA at midnight. By the way, can you drive up the 400 to come pick us up? Although that is the time. The traffic would be very light.

Yeah, you would think. It would be a little bit lighter. It was that awful going to Molson Park traffic, going north, that stuff. Man, that was some nightmare stuff. But that was part of the experience, right? Yeah, I know, I know, I know, I know. But I actually, I have been to Edgefest and Downsview Park.

Yes. And if I had to, right right now if i could choose i want the park i can bike to like to me it's a no-brainer i don't want to drive to barry to see a show if i i would downsview park i saw at least i'm trying to think of what i saw at downsview park a bunch of shows but i saw the one with uh they did have edge fest there i saw the edge fest with uh uh lincoln park i, headlining. And I really enjoyed Lincoln Park at Edge Fest. And I think I definitely saw that.

And then was there one with, hold on here, who's the Streetsville band? Oh, Billy Talent, of course. Billy Talent, right, I knew that. So funny thing about Billy Talent. And they were good too. Yeah, I was going to actually bring it up because Billy Talent became synonymous with Edge Fest,

obviously, in the 2000s. But they only played one edge fest at molson park and i'm assuming they would have been on a side stage because they just would have started or they would have no no i mean unless i'm confusing if it's i went to an edge fest that oh at molson park side stage yeah probably yeah but but they played more uh v Warped Tour in Barrie. Well, because the guy worked there, right? Ben Kowalczyk worked at CFM1. Yes, exactly. That's the connection there.

So he was like, they were a bit like a house band of sorts. A little bit. Definitely. And he, Ben, note to self, Ben said he'd come on the show. So we got to get Ben on the show. Yeah? I think that'll be cool i mean you know they say what you want about them they've been a hard-working band for oh

goodness like while you think about it like they they would have changed their name from pez if you recall that in like the very early 2000s so they would have played edge fest in 2001 on one of the side stages so like they've been going strong for pretty much 20 years. And who else can kind of say that? So there's not many other bands that can do that. So, I mean, you know, like they utilize their connections to the fullest, but they've carved their own reputation. I think that's a solid band.

I really like Billy Talent. And that name, of course, comes from Hardcore Logo. Yes. Except they changed the spelling, right? Because Talent, I think, course, comes from Hardcore Logo. Yes. Except they changed the spelling, right? Because Talent, I think, was spelled differently in Hardcore Logo. But Keith Callum Rennie, I think, is the character who played, if I'm remembering

correctly. It's been a long time since I've seen that movie. But then that comes back to Hugh Dillon, of course, from The Headstones, who kicked ass in Hardcore Logo. Absolutely. And that movie, which I loved at the time, fucking great, man man that's a great movie yeah hardcore logo and the headstones were an amazing band or still are i just saw them actually last year gonna become unsound gonna become you're gonna become i like them but i had

hugh dylan booked and then uh his pr person canceled oh really i'm still uh cranky about it all these years later or as as cranky as that hockey writer. I saw that on Twitter going on. Oh, Alan Strachan. Alan Strachan, that's it. Right. Oh, yeah. Alan, if anyone missed it on Twitter.

No, that's okay. That's okay. Alan Strachan wrote a book. So I said if you wanted, I was thinking if you wanted to Zoom, I think he lives in, he doesn't live in Toronto, but wherever he lives, it's outside of, I think it's outside of Ontario, but I said if you wanted to Zoom in, we could talk about your book,

which would help him promote his book or whatever. And he said something kind of a curt reply about how he lets his PR handle that. Bottom line, instead of what everyone else on the planet would have done, which is some nice response.

Readily accept. Yeah, readily accept or basically something other than that, which is sort of like my PR people handle that. And I was like, okay, I don't think Alistair Atkins is coming on Toronto Mic'd. But I don't think it's any big loss from what I've heard. Anyway. You don't have that problem with me, Mike. Well, you play hard to get, but then I get you.

I'm going to play a bunch more jams. We're going gonna do 10 of them so i gotta get rocking here but i want to first i want to say uh thank you to some sponsors sticker you.com did i give you a toronto mike sticker last time you did give me a toronto okay because i was gonna say i'll grab one for you again uh they make great stickers decals uh all a whole bunch of stuff they make at sticker you.com and they're great people they're in liberty village and i've had a great partnership with them for a long time so support sticker you.com pumpkins after dark uh your kids a little old for this a little old yeah i got kids who are right in the core age for this but uh save halloween for the children this is my new campaign because I don't know what, like at some point

we all have to get together and decide what's happening for Halloween. No one wants to open their door to any strangers on Halloween. But it's, you know, if you go to a Walmart or if you go anywhere, they've got the displays up.

Because I think the treats are going to survive. Like even if you're, let's say I have two kids of that age, right? They'll dress up as something and they'll get treats but the part that's unknown is like will people put treats in uh like big bowls and put them on their porch and then we'll all like carefully outdoors wearing a mask maybe we'll go door to door and you'll help yourself to a treat and put in your basket like that might

happen but here's what will definitely be happening the drive-through event pumpkins after dark is happening you got to buy you book a time slot and then you drive through this milton park it's like a few kilometers and they have thousands of like sculptures illuminating the night skies like it's super cool there's a tunnel it's all contactless like they'll scan your ticket through the car window. So you buy by the carload. And these time slots, especially the Fridays and Saturdays, are selling out super fast. Like pro tip, go right now to pumpkinsafterdark.com, but use the promo code Toronto Mike because it saves you money. And it lets them know you heard about it here, which helps the show. You know how that works, Jill. That's how it works. So

them know you heard about it here, which helps the show. You know how that works, Jill. That's how it works. So, Pumpkins After Dark, give your kids, I say, or your grandkids, shout out to Nancy who's got tickets for her grandkids, give them some event that's Halloween-y. They can dress up in the car. You know what I mean? Let's save

Halloween for the kids. How's that, Jill? Let's save Halloween for the kids. Listen, I've got, my kids are a little bit older, but I've got nieces and nephews. How many kids you got? I've got two. You have two? How many kids you got? I've got two. You have two? How old is this other child? He's 14.

Okay. So, okay. I got a 16 year old. Okay. Too old for Halloween. Yeah. Too old for Halloween. But yeah, Halloween for the kids.

I mean, like, to be honest, like Halloween for kids of that age, that was the Molson Park. That's the Molson Park for, you know. Yeah. I got a four-year-old and six-year-old. That's prime time. Prime time. Like how you and I went to those shows, you know.

Right. Like being a teenager going to Molson Park in Barrie. So, okay. So, shout out to CDN Technologies. They're your outsourced IT department. So, if you have any computer or network issues or questions, cdntechnologies.com or call Barb at 905-542-9759. Garbageday.com slash Toronto Mike for curbside notifications. Thank you, Garbage Day. That's free and fun, and it makes you a good FOTM.

And if you have any real estate questions at all, contact Austin Keitner from the Keitner Group. Just text Toronto Mike to 59559 and chat up Austin and tell him Toronto Mike sent ya. And you can go to do this hop and even store it at the hop, hop, hop, hop. When the record stops, bring a new tulip, some wiener chicken at the hop, hop, hop, hop. They do the dance and the session, tell the sweet from the nation at the hop, hop, hop, hop. Let's go to the hop. Let's go to the hop. Oh, baby. Let's go to the hop. Oh, baby.

Let's go to the hop. Oh, baby. Let's go to the hop. Come on. Let's go to the hop. Let's go. Okay, look, I know a lot about Woodstock, okay? So I know Shanna Na played Woodstock, but they didn't play any Edge Fests. So why am I playing Shanna Na? Well, number one, it's kind of a shout out to my dad.

You know, like I wanted to play for him. So, you know, actually, my mom and dad just got back from Nova Scotia the other day. Do you have to quarantine when you come from another province? Yeah. Well, I'm not sure what they have to do. But when they left, because Nova Scotia and the Atlantic provinces were in their own kind of bubbles, they had to get tested and they had to get everything as they passed through different provinces. So when they went to Quebec, New Brunswick, and then Nova Scotia finally, they had to get tested three times.

And then once they arrived at their destination, they had to quarantine for two weeks while they were there. Which is kind of tough to do when you're out there seeing family and everything. But they were good sports about it, apparently. And they're back safe and sound in the westernmost regions of the GTA. Let's just say that. But, yeah, they get back to Shanannam. My dad was a huge fan of them. Yeah, that's the thing. So, Molson Park had this kind of like weird era.

Well, not weird, but, you know, they had this era in the early days before festivals like Lollapalooza and Edge Fest in particular really established themselves, where they had like a bunch of events that went on there. So like I was kind of saying earlier, they had the Mariposa Folk Festival, Q107, who we mentioned off the top. They had like a bunch of psychedelic Sunday events that were there that, you know, Steppenwolf played like at least one year or whatever. And I did not know this until I started, you know, doing the research for this. But in 1989, yeah, in 1989, August of 1989,

for the 20th anniversary of Woodstock, I know that they had one at the original site where people just like showed up and people started playing Campfire folk style but there was a legitimate 20th anniversary of Woodstock that happened at Molson Park with the headliner

being Band of Gypsies which of course were the backing band for Jimi Hendrix at the time. But Sean and I were on the lineup. You were good enough to play them for me so my dad at the hop that cover there um that of course was modified for many years as the the cne uh song when you would advertise the x let's go to the x oh baby and uh i will say this is a fun fact that i believe i don't know if it's

ever been confirmed, but there's a lot of smoke here. So I think there might be a bit of a fire, but I think that in Super Mario and Mario Brothers, that Bowser, the character Bowser was named after Bowser in Shanna now. Like I think somebody was a fan. This is my belief.

I do not know that, but if this is a little, very much an aside, I just watched this new documentary on, six-part documentary on Netflix, High Score. I don't know if you've seen it. No. Is it about Donkey Kong?

I don't know. Well, it goes through the entire, like, almost like. Because Fistful of Quarters is one of my favorite docs of all time. Yes, yes. And, of course, oh, what am I thinking? Oh, my God. King of Kong, of course. Oh, that's what I meant.

Is that the same one? Yeah. It's the same one. I think that might be the subtitle. Yeah, it's King of Kong of course oh that's what I meant is that the same one yeah it's the same one I think that might be the subtitle yeah it's King of Kong Fistful of Quarters which is a fantastic

it's got two names it's so good but it's it's so very very very good oh I feel like Martin Streak

needs to speak to us right now yes I'm sure he is live from where are we here? The Phoenix

410 Sherbourne Street. You let me desecrate you. You let me desecrate you. You let me penetrate you. You let me complicate you. Help me. I broke apart my insides. Help me. I've got no soul to tell.

Help me. The only thing that works for me. I've got no soul to tell. Help me. The only thing that works for me. Help me get away from myself. I wanna fuck you like an animal. I wanna feel you from the inside. I wanna fuck you from the inside. I want to fuck you like an animal. My whole existence is flawed.

You get me closer to God. Okay, so Jill, we talked a lot about Lollapaloozas and Edgefests, and even we talked a bit about Somersaults. Later, I'm going to ask you about a fun fact of a certain person. I won't name the band because he's in multiple bands, but he was at all three of those, by the way. So that's coming soon. There's a teaser for you. But there were a bunch of one-offs.

I mentioned Radiohead. We talked a lot about Pearl Jam. So talk to me about Nine Inch Nails. you but there were a bunch of one-offs i mentioned radiohead we talked a lot about pearl jam so talk to me about nine inch nails reflectively speaking may have been the best concert i've ever been to so um that was in 94 forgive me i don't have the exact date i can't remember if it was late in july or august but for me i went to Molson park for, uh, the hip on Canada day. I was at Lollapalooza 94,

which the pumpkins headlined and put on an unbelievable show, but even better were the beastie boys. And I want to say it was literally the week later, um, that it was sound garden and nine inch nails. And I don't want to say I didn't know who Nine Inch Nails were. I mean, they had just released the downward spiral. So I think they were on a lot of people's radar.

But, you know, just to make a very what could be a very long story short, I love Soundgarden. They're one of my favorite bands of all time. I love Soundgarden. They're one of my favorite bands of all time. I have never seen someone completely upstaged by an opening act. And that's the story of that show. So Nine Inch Nails was not the closer. I take that back.

I almost regret that. Today I said the Leafs had some cap space with a K. And I regretted that one too. Okay, so basically they upstaged the closer sound card. Absolutely. I kind of like this theme. So, you know, I do these Pandemic Friday episodes, and I like this, but it's too subjective. But I think back at shows where the, maybe the, what do you call it?

The penultimate band? What's the band called? Yeah, Second Last. The penultimate band? What's the band called? Yeah, second last. The penultimate band was better than the closer. Like I can think of a bunch of examples, including I've seen like that one I mentioned where the Smashing Pumpkins, they were upstaged by Foo Fighters big time.

They were actually probably upstaged by Our Lady Peace, to be honest. But, and I think back and I remember I've seen, I saw Red Hot Chili Peppers and Stone Temple Pilots at Molson Amphitheater. Oh, really? And without a doubt, STP was better.

Oh, wow. They were better. And I think that's like not the first time that I saw STP overshadowed this closer. I don't remember. I don't remember STP

and Chili Peppers. Yeah, 2000 maybe or 2000. I can't remember now. Fishbone, I think, was first and then they had Stone Temple Pilots and then they had Red Hot Chili Peppers. I can't remember now. Fishbone, I think, was first. And then they had Stone Temple Pilots. And then they had Wrecked.

I always remember this show because sitting like a row ahead of us and a little to the side was David Wells from the Toronto Blue Jays. Okay, so back to Nine Inch Nails though. Was that in his pudgy phase? Was there ever not a pudgy phase? That's very true. Boomer. That's very true. Pudgy face, yeah. Was there ever not a pudgy face? That's very true.

Boomer. Now, Nine Inch Nails, you know, it's kind of interesting to think of a time when Nine Inch Nails wouldn't be the headliner, but that was, I guess, if they just released the Downward Spiral. They were still pretty new. Downward Spiral was, I guess, their second full album.

This is on Downward Spiral. Oh, yeah. And Hurt. Yep. Because, you know, I'm not a big Nine Inch Nails guy, so I only know the hits. I can't remember. I don't think they actually played Hurt.

That would come later, but they absolutely played Closer. And just the thing was is that now this was, I've been doing my research, this show with Soundgarden was actually the week before, like exactly the week before their famous Woodstock performance, which everybody still raves about to this day because they doused themselves in mud. The crowd was just electric for it. But, you know, again, this is you got to think 1994, you know, 26 years ago, we didn't have cell phones. The internet wasn't what it was before. So, I mean, a lot of this stuff was word of mouth.

And you could literally feel the energy before they took the stage that this place was going to freaking explode. And I mean, one quick story, if I can. My brother, Mike, we still talk about this story to this day is that now we were far back, like, because we knew it was going to get crazy. Like we knew enough about nine inch nails to go, you know what? We're not going to go. We're not going to go up at the front. I was actually in the pit for sound garden, but that's a different story altogether. Um, but yeah, we were back like close to where the

soundboard would have been about, you know, about halfway up the field. Yeah. And we could just feel, we're like, this place is going to be, is going to be nuts.

that's the feeling when Pearl Jam broke into whatever they opened with, Corduroy or whatever. And then they had the dust bowl there because it was all kicking up. That was a dust bowl. But there was a feeling, cause I was with my, my first wife and I distinctly remember to protect her from the wave. There was a wave.

Oh, yeah. And we were not at the front. Okay. Because I'm smarter than that. Okay. Because I wasn't alone. If I was alone, I'd be in the front. But we weren't in the front.

And there was that wave and you could feel the wave towards the front of the stage. It would literally come from the back. Like a current. So my brother and I, we were, we had been to enough shows before that we were like, you know what? We're going to sit this one out. We're just going to kind of enjoy it.

There was this guy who was next to us and he, I don't want to like, you know, insult anyone or whatever, but he had like the, the white wife beater on, you know, like they use that kind of term.

We're not supposed to use that term. No, no, no. Sorry about that. You should have told me what, you know, like they use that kind of term. We're not supposed to use that term. No, no, no. Sorry about that. Not on Toronto Mike. You should have told me what, you know, the correct term would have been. Anyway. Undershirt. He was tall, lanky, and I'll never forget.

So he was tall, lanky, had like Joey Ramone type hair, wearing sunglasses, and he had a cigarette. Okay. Yeah. But he also had, the kid had to have been about six or seven years old on his shoulder. Oh. Okay. So we're around the soundboard.

That's no good. And my brother and I, you know, we're just talking to ourselves, but like we could feel like you were saying. Yeah. This is not going to be good. Yeah. The wave of people rushing the stage. We're going to enjoy this, but you know, it's not going to be, it's not going to be good.

So we actually tapped this guy on the shoulder and we're like, look, buddy, you know, it's not going to be good. So we actually tapped this guy on the shoulder and we're like, look, buddy. And I wasn't too much slender that I was, that I am now, that I was back then. We're like, look, we're pretty big guys. We're going to move back because we think this is going to be like a bad scene. And he told you to mind your own fucking business. Pretty much, yeah. With his kid on his shoulders, okay? Stay in your lane, Joe.

I think they played one note, and the surge from the back. Mike, I'm not kidding you. Did the kid live to tell the tale? I have no idea. I still think about this kid to this day, because the kid ended up getting launched into this pit. So my brother and I, we went after him. We tried to find him, and we couldn't find him in the crowd.

You know, we're not that... When was Ross killed? When was the Pearl Jam crushing? That was 2000. Okay. That was 2000. Okay, so this is before that. But, I mean, we all knew about the Who concert

because WKRP covered it. 100%. And they taught me all about it. And we all know what happened at certain soccer matches when they didn't have escapers. It's absolutely dangerous. So I was actually going to say this at the start. Molson Park was a great kind of place for that.

Well, there were no fences. You could spill into the abyss. And someone could correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't remember there ever being an incident like that. You know what I mean? No, I mean, no, I mean, I think we learned a lot from some of these like soccer, devastating soccer instances that were about,

they were like chain link fences where you could, you would know if you were crushed against them. But if you have like, it was almost like if it had a ventilation almost, like if you had escape, several escape routes, then you're, it's less dangerous,

but I'm with you, especially at the front, right? That's why you had all the,. But I'm with you, especially at the front, right? That's why you had all the, I mean, because there is a fence at the front. But there was no incidences from what, you know,

in terms of like, people would have died there or whatever. I can't remember ever seeing something. No, I've never, I can't say I've ever heard of a death at Molson Park at a concert.

So, but that kid, I hope that kid was okay. I hope so too. So he would be, I don't know know like 25-ish 20 no older than that

and he was the kid on the cover of Nevermind in the swimming pool with his little thing hanging out you know so there you go

you want another jam? go right ahead Mike Ha ha. You said that you'd never been But all the things that you've seen Slowly fade away So I start a revolution from my bed Cause you said the brains I had went to my head Step outside

Summertime's in I stand up beside the fireplace Take that look from off your face You ain't ever gonna burn my heart out Out Talk to me about Oasis, Jill. A good message for these times. Don't walk away in anger, Mike. Come on. People like to be angry, don't you think?

Well, yeah. Some people, not all people. That makes me angry, that generalization. It's an appropriate time for it, isn't it? Some people, not all people. That makes me angry, that generalization. It's an appropriate time for it, isn't it? Did you catch any of that RNC last night, that Republican National Convention? Saw some of it on Twitter. Angry, angry people, Joe. Angry people. Particularly the son, the junior and his girlfriend there.

The girlfriend, yeah, yeah. Angry people. She's got like, she was doing the shaking almost like Elmo did. I told my wife, I think I've heard this speech in German. You are a political podcast now, right? Right. We could go into that. Changing direction here, everybody.

But who doesn't love the Gallaghers, right? They don't love each other. Or do they? You know what? They don't love each other. Or do they? You know what? But they were throwing out the fact right before this whole pandemic started that they were going to get back together next year.

Did they? Because last I heard from the great Alan Cross was that they hadn't yet got there yet. Oh, no. Well, we know they haven't got there yet. I mean, even like... They're always teasing it. They're always teasing it.

But you needed that sort of kind of tension with them, and that's what kind of made them a great band. And, you know, so they play... So we're coming up to the, I guess, 24th anniversary because this was at the end of August, where they played Molson Park. You know, a capacity crowd of like... Wait, 96? It was 96, yeah.

Okay. So a capacity crowd of whatever the capacity was, you know, 30, 35,000. 35, 30, I don't know. We're not 100% sure, but that's okay. A lot of people. But the funny thing is that it was like the month before or something like that, earlier in the summer, was when they played those gigantic shows at Nebworth in the UK where they played to like a quarter million people in like over two days.

And they come to North America for their tour and Neil Young tells them, Nope, you're going to open for me. Like, you know. And so there is actually, I did actually hear a bootleg of the Oasis show, and Liam, you know, in his own kind of like cocksure way is that, you know, like, yeah, yeah, yeah, Neil Young's the only person

who we'd allow to, you know, open for, have us open for, you know, because he's the legend, you know, even back then. I was, no, I'm repeating myself, going back to the STP, I think I once saw STP open for Lincoln Park, I think it was, at Downsview

Park, though this wasn't Molson Park. You were actually right about that. And then think about it. But he seemed, he definitely was really late, which was the late great Scott Weiland's way, I suppose. But he was really late, but he was also clearly pissed off that they weren't the headliner. Like he had that chip on his shoulder. Which you remember,

I was technically the last person to ever interview Scott Weiland. Oh my God. I still think about that. How can I forget that? Right. I think I mentioned that on the last show. No, you can always, if that were a fact, I would never shut up about it. Every episode go hello welcome to toronto mike i am the last

guy who interviewed scott wyland before his i haven't cashed in enough yet because technically it wasn't me it was my questions that were asked okay well that's a big technically jill i feel like that disqualifies like i wouldn't be bragging at all about my questions were the final quite no you have to be the person interviewing. Oh, that's why you don't talk about it all the time. That's a big detail. And I'll even shout out,

it was Don Hamilton that ended up... Not Don Henley. No, not Don Henley. That actually would have been a very interesting conversation of Don Henley. He's been liking...

We've been... After these pandemic Fridays, Cam Gordon often tweets and he tags people on it and i noticed uh we talked about don henley and i saw don henley was liking these tweets oh really so i don't know if it's him or his people i can never tell but uh anyway that's pretty cool don hamilton okay okay he's the last guy to interview scott wyler she she dawn d-a-w-n oh i got fooled oh and i thought aaron o'toole was a woman so i'm in mo for two now i'm over two so i gotta keep up to date aaron o'toole is something but you know aaron o'toole has been played on an episode he's never been on toronto mic'd but when uh david marston was my

guest uh aaron o'toole stood up in the house of commons to what do you call it when you recognize a great person or whatever he did a speech about David Marsden in the House of Commons really? yeah because at the time Marsden was on the air at the Rock in Oshawa and Aaron O'Toole is an Oshawa guy I think and anyway I played this for David Marsden

because I got a hold of the audio and Marsden cried in my basement as I played the Aaron O'Toole clip. Little did we know we were playing future prime minister Aaron O'Toole on the program. I don't know about that. Hold your horses, man. Hold your horses. But that's, I don't know.

If Doug Ford can be premier, Aaron O'Toole can be prime minister. Yeah, I won't argue with that. See, it is a political podcast. And I have no commentary further. But Oasis, any more fun facts about Oasis? That's a great band. That to me is the biggest fun fact. Arguably, they were only really two albums in.

And they were arguably one of the biggest bands at the time. So if you've never seen the documentary Supersonic. I've um excellent yeah it is quite good um and uh but yeah it's that whole build-up from you know the beginnings to those massive shows that they played um you know where they were basically the self-proclaimed biggest band in the world and And then, you know, here it is less than a month later or about a month or so later, and they're opening for Neil Young. So, you know, you could argue didn't necessarily have the success that they did in North America, you know, obviously that they achieved in the UK. But yeah, I mean, still a great band.

And then one of these days, yeah, it would be nice to see them back together. This is speaking of politics, little did this band know they were sitting on a great domain name. Great choice. Well, it's the first song I ever heard from this band. And I always liked this song. It's still my favorite song from this band. Sailing down Down the sticks again

Without you my love I want to return but then I see all my friends They want me to join but then They all melt away Without you alone And the river's running through my veins Lately she don't seem the same And the blood keeps falling out my name

The Tea Party. Great choice. The River. Love it. Love it. That's their first radio hit. Yes. My memory.

See, I remember that. I just don't remember Sons of Freedom. Yeah. And I don't remember the year, but I want to say it was pretty early because they got bigger kind of like as they went along. You know what I mean? When this song was breaking, and they played much music, played the video a lot too. Yeah.

The big thing was that, oh, look, Jim Morrison is back. Well, what I was going to say, so I've never seen the tea party at Molson Park. I actually reached out because I interviewed Jeff Burrows, the drummer, like ages ago. And so I tried to reach out to him on Twitter. Now here's your chance. What's the name of the lead singer? Jeff Martin. Oh, Jeff Martin.

So I tried to reach out to the drummer because I had interviewed him in the past to try to say, hey, you know, like you've played Molson Park five times for Edgefest. Is that a record? Well, they're tied with uh finger 11 for uh the most number of edge fest rainbow butt monkeys rainbow from burlington but i don't think they played as rainbow butt monkeys i think it was always as uh finger 11 but rainbow monkeys were

were great so um but yeah i never seen them at molson park but i saw i don't know what the venue was but i saw them in fort erie at the festival of friends i don't know what the venue was, but I saw them in Fort Erie at the Festival of Friends. I don't know if you've ever went to that. Yeah, but same kind of feel as the Edge Fest, but, you know, closer to the border, so to speak. And the Tea Party were one of the headliners, I guess, or they were like the penultimate Oh, wow, because they were a border town that would listen to a lot of Edge 102?

Pretty much, yeah. Or in Buffalo, Edge, whatever it's called, 103.3 or whatever. border town that would listen to a lot of edge 102 pretty much yeah or in buffalo edge whatever it's called 103.3 or whatever uh so they weren't the headliner but they were like one of the last bands on and they covered uh hurt and so that was the thing so we were like who's this jeff martin trying to be is he trying to be his own guy is he trying to be jim morrison is he trying to be trent resner you know but but no they were great at the time you know and they you know like you think about it incorporating a lot of different sounds you know that it was coined the moroccan roll moroccan roll yeah a lot of you're right there's a lot of middle eastern uh instrumentals absolutely but where where's he based jeff martin

do you know is he a toronto guy uh i don't They've always been sort of like a Windsor band from what I remember. So, you know, like 89X or whatever the station is down in Windsor or whatever. So they got a lot of play. So they ended up being like a border kind of band, like the hip were with Buffalo. So they enjoyed that same kind of success in Detroit. Shout out to Buffalo. I do know there are some Toronto Mike listeners from Buffalo because they love the CanCon. Amber Healy is probably listening.

Oh, Amber Healy. I mailed her a sticker, you Toronto Mike sticker. I thought you said mailed for a second. I thought you were going somewhere else. I never even met her. Please, if my wife is listening, who is this Amber Healy? But no, I did. I mailed her with an M.

I mailed her. She is a lovely individual. So there you go. And a very big, you would swear she's Canadian. Well, actually, she has like a Canadian tattoo, you know. So yeah, loves her Canadian tattoo. Amber, just move here already. Get a, you know, shit or get off the pot.

Is it not that easy? Not that easy these days, I got to say. So yeah. But the tea party, like, you know, got it. So, big at Molson Park, five times. Border Band, you know, with the Detroit Connection. Huge in Australia, as I'm sure you probably know. So, you know, and that.

I'm not sure I knew that. Like, okay, so they're big in Australia. Did I know that? I guess, I remember when I did talk to the drummer, it almost happened by accident. Like, they ended up, like, their label at the time or whatever would have released a single or whatever in Australia. And the fans there just really took to it.

So, you know, it was the kind of thing where they ended up scheduling, like, a tour there and, hey, found out that they had a fan base. So, you know, especially when they reunited after a while, post-Edgefest, you know, when they got back in the later half of the 2000s, you know, definitely Australia was one of the markets that they had to visit. So I know there's like a recording around of them like playing with, you know, like an orchestra, like literally the Sydney Orchestra there. So, yeah, fantastic band. Did they play the Opera House in Sydney? I don't know if they did, but, you know, I don't even know if they played the Opera House in Toronto. They look different, those two Opera Houses.

Yeah, although I did see Metallica at the Opera House. You're bringing up bad memory. I'm still getting flack because I kicked out Hero of the Day when I was supposed to be kicking out songs I started loving after I heard them in a movie or a TV show. And I kicked out Hero of the Day because I was indifferent to the song until it was used in a Wendell Clark tribute video called all heart. But that of course is not TV or movies that is YouTube,

but they're my rules. Damn it. I broke them and I don't care. Hero of the day. And if you're not going to play the Rio statics ballad of Wendell Clark, I mean, really, which has come up often on the show.

Cause I played it for Dave Hodge and then he responded. Then I played that for Dave Bedini. So it's like, uh, what next? It's almost like a inception here. Shout out to shout out to Dave Bedini. Shout out. Of course. Oh, and I played that for Dave Bedini. So it's like, what next? It's almost like Inception here. Shout out to Dave Bedini. Shout out, of course. Oh, and I wanted to, sorry.

Did he play any, he played any Edgefest? You know what? He may correct us on Twitter if I'm wrong, but going through setlist.fm, I could not find any mention of the Rio Statics. So to the best of your knowledge,

having done this extensive research, the Rio statics have never played Molson, Park and Barry. Correct. Shocking to me. That's shocking to me. It's very shocking. To go back a little bit, sorry, we were talking about the Nine Inch Nails, and so you had mentioned Martin Streak. I wanted to give a quick shout out to

a friend of mine, so Will Dunlop, who I believe you've talked to him before. He interviewed me for that documentary. There you go. So that documentary. And the trailer for that documentary, the original trailer that was on.

Oh, chills. Yes, but all, no, this is fine. He, he,

I don't know if he credited me or not, but it was just the trailer. All those clips are from Toronto Mike episodes. Oh really? Okay. All of them. That's Alan Cross on Toronto trailer. All those clips are from Toronto Mike episodes. Oh, really? Okay. All of them. That's Alan Cross on Toronto Mike. That's Rob Johnston on Toronto Mike. That's Andrew Stokely on Toronto Mike. Nice. It's Toronto Mike episodes that made up

that. So Dunlop. You owe him royalties. He did interview. I did agree to be interviewed for the project. I look forward to seeing it. I've met him a couple of times. I think I first met him at an Argos game. But yeah, that trailer that was promoting the project was all Toronto Mike clips.

Nice. I recognize them all. So if you didn't know, so he is doing late nights, well, from 10 to 12 on Saturday nights, out of 89.1 Max FM up in Aurelia. So he does a very similar kind of Martin Street kind of show. And let me tell you.

Is that a part of your Simcoe region? Like, is that right? That was actually the first article that I posted was to promote his show. Wow, see, it all comes full circle here. It all comes full circle. Toronto Mike clips in the trailer for the Martin Streak documentary by Will Dunlop, who's on the air in Orillia paying homage to Martin Streak.

Absolutely. And that was the first article that you published in Simcoe.com. There you go. Wow. You summarize things way better than I can try to. Let's see if I retain it. I just ramble. That's good stuff.

Good. This song will allow us to talk a's see if I retain it. I just ramble. That's good stuff. Good. This song will allow us to talk a bit about somersaults. Alright. Dedicating this to Jeremy Taggart. Good FOTM. Throw away the radio. Suitcase keeps you awake. Hide the telephone. Good FOTM. You level up, you level up, you level up. And it's not all right now. You need to understand. There's nothing strange about this.

You need to know your friends. You need to know that... Sing it with me, Jill. Sing it with me. I'll be waving my hand, watching you drown. Watching you scream, quiet or loud. And maybe you should sleep, and maybe you just need a friend as clumsy as you've been. There's no one laughing. You will be safe in here.

You will be safe in here. You know, I think these, don't tell, don't tell Rain. I promise this is just us talking. I think these guys might be a little underrated. I feel like they don't quite get the props. But don't tell Rain, okay? Just between you and me. I was going to start by joking, saying people are paying to hear Rain, not us.

They're not paying anything. I'm not even allowed to play this song on my podcast. But think about it. There was the tragically hip sort of, not curse, but, you know, like a Sam Roberts would have experienced that, right?

Where you're big in Canada and not necessarily elsewhere. He might be big in Australia. I think I came up in it. I did an episode of the guy who produced one of his albums, Mark Howard.

And I think he's big i think i think no joke i think sam roberts is big in australia yeah i think so but please he's got international roots i i forget if it's his mother or his father um one of them are south african by uh by birth um you know but our lady peace what I remember, like I'm wearing a Jack White Third Man Records shirt. I know that Our Lady Peace were fairly big in Detroit. I think this song would be known to alternative rock listeners in the States. Yes. I think so.

So Jack White's second in command at Third Man Records, Ben Blackwell, has absolutely dropped Our Lady Peace with me, saying that they grew up on that same sort of thing. Superman's dead. And that's the thing too. So to get back to Molson Park, so we were talking about the hip, whether or not they actually hold a record for eight times that they've been there. They've made seven appearances,

and the only other band that could even come close are Our Lady Peace. So Our Lady Peace, of course, they headlined their own somersault, well, they didn't headline it, but they organized their own somersault. Right. So that was on two occasions.

Right. They played in Hedgefest. 98 and 2000. And yeah. And they also, actually, I didn't realize this, they opened for Alanis Morissette when she played Molson Park. So they've been around. And you know what?

This is solid can-con. Okay, so the song's playing. I picked the damn song, so I wasn't surprised when it was playing. But as it's playing, I realized I would like to sing along to this song. it's playing, I realize I would like to sing along to this song and I don't... This song is just a fun, catchy

ditty. I dig it and I don't know if there's any shame in that game. I have no idea anymore because I'm too old to care about that. No, but that Clumsy album is full of shout-alongs. Because 4AM is on that, right? Okay, well 4AM might be my favorite R-League of Peace song. You know, and i go back to the

first album was called navid right i know there's a song yeah yeah it's either starseed or navid no no it is it is navid yeah but i and that song navid is one of my favorite early to peace i go back to that album and i'm like you know it's it is so solid compared to like everything else at the time so when when was that? Was that 94? You know, I don't have a sense of when the hell that was, except you're right. Well, Clumsy is 96. I'm almost positive about that.

Okay, then you're probably right. Yeah, both albums. So I own both CDs. Jeremy Taggart should tweet us, you know, because he was the drummer at the time. Yeah, no, this is prime Taggart time. You kidding me? And, of course, Taggart filled in.

Who did he fill in for on the hero? There's the hero song with Chad Kroger. Who's the guy from Nickelback who I saw twice? Chad Kroger. Who I saw twice at Molson Park in Barry. Who I actually used to work with his cousin at some point. Okay, well, he had a song on the Spider-Man soundtrack called Hero. I did not know Taggart was the drummer on that.

No, he's not. Matt Cameron, I think, is the drummer. No. No? Am I crazy? I think it's Matt Cameron. I didn't know about that. I have to Google it in a minute. But I can tell you the video has Taggart on drums.

Like, Taggart filled in for the video somehow. But so he's on that video for Hero. Who's the other guy in Hero? I thought I was supposed to be the music guy. Who's the other guy? Oh, was supposed to be the music who's the other guy uh josie scott yes right so i've redeemed myself which don't ask me now what band he was from but yes that's the name so the um which is actually you know the band's called saliva saliva that's right and i'm just Googling now the song Hero. So Chad Kroger, if I'm saying it right,

I should know how to say that. He wrote the song Hero. So that would have been, no, I'm kidding. Matt Cameron played drums on the track. Really? And in the video, it's Jeremy Taggart. So I did not know that. So all my fun facts are in key.

But that would have been in and around the time, maybe not the same year, but in and around the time that they would have headlined, uh, edge fest at Molson park. And correct me if I'm wrong. Now, did you say that?

2002. Yeah. So did you say that you went to that most of that, uh, edge fest? I went, no, I went to the 2000 somersault.

Okay. That's the famous of the infamous infamous Smashing Pumpkins. Yes. But Our Lady Peace wasn't even the penultimate band. Because Foo Fighters were on the bill. Solid bill, by the way. Yes. Solid bill.

Because you had Our Lady Peace, who could have headlined the damn thing. Foo Fighters, who were top of their game. And then the farewell performance by the Smashing Pumpkins pumpkins which i've heard that was a disappointing it was no it was it was actually terrible but you talk about farewells uh one of my favorite shoegazy type of bands from back in the day who i heard were apparently getting back together but has not uh been realized katherine. I freaking love the Catherine Wheel.

Okay, you do. Okay, interesting. Because like the first thing I think of is their cover of Spirit of Radio. That's the first thing I think of. Because I had an Edge disc. Maybe it's because I didn't listen to a lot of Catherine Wheel.

Did they really? Okay, that's new to me. I had an Edge compilation, like Spirit of Radio compilation that I got from the station or something in which they covered Rush's Spirit of Radio. Because I know from the station or something in which they covered Russia's Spirit of Radio. Because I know they covered.

And they played that cover on the Edge. Because I know they covered Pink Floyd. And I can't think of it right now. But it's Bruce Dickinson's nephew. Yes, it's Bruce Dickinson's brother? I thought it was his brother. I think it's his nephew. I think it's his nephew.

Rob Dickinson. But I honestly, it sounds like you're a much bigger Catherine Wheel fan than I am am but uh okay good for you man that's uh that's cool so if rob dickinson if you're listening somehow to this no but somebody who knows it might be listening so get back together um what was i gonna say about that oh no but wasn't the 2002 edge fest when i know i've been getting a lot of responses to this on Twitter because we're talking about penultimate bands. Sorry,

Cake would have been. I was at this show. This is the Nickelback Edgefest you're describing right now. Where they got pelted with bottles. Because the stupid crowd, and I was there and I was excited to see Cake cause I'm a sophisticated musicologist. Short skirt,

long jacket. Come on. And they're great cover of a, I will survive, but lots of stuff. Maybe the best cover of all time. Yeah. Great cover.

And, um, okay. So the crowd in their infinite wisdom, this, uh, beer swilling, uh,

you know, remember when this Sloan's lyric, it's not the band I hate, it's their fans. I always, I've used it's not the band I hate, it's their fans. I always, I, even though I've used it a lot, but I always thought it was about the tragically hip.

Cause I went to a hundred tragically, I went to like, you know, a dozen tragically hip shows and I love the band, but their fans sucked. Like there were a lot of frat boy, drunken frat boys being idiots. So I'm at this,

I'm there to see, but you know, no, but they were there. And this, similarly, these, these drunk, so I'm at this I'm there to see not representative but you know no but they were there and this similarly these drunk these guys were all hammered and frat boy types waiting for Nickelback

to come in and say this is how you remind me and I'm there so I'm willing to sit and see Nickelback you had the lighter ready you know come on Mike but they did pelt cake with water bottles in the hopes somehow that when they had to leave the stage due to being pelted by water bottles, Nickelback would come on 90 minutes early or something. Which is such a faulty premise because, of course, we just ended up waiting longer for Nickelback.

But I was at that show. And I was at that Nickelback show. And I think the next year might be Creed. Okay. And they left the stage, correct me if I'm wrong. Yeah, yeah. Cake did like two and a half songs or something. And they said goodbye. And they left the stage, correct me if I'm wrong. Yeah, yeah. Kate did like two and a half songs or something and they said goodbye.

And they left the stage. I don't blame them. I don't blame them. Nah, they were being pelted with fucking water bottles. Well, I got, so to go back, sorry, don't want me to jump around, but so I was- Jump, jump up, jump up and get down. So I was mentioning to you

at that Soundgarden Nine Inch Nails show that I was in the pit for Soundgarden. So for whatever reason, peoplegarden Nine Inch Nails show that I was in the pit for Soundgarden. So for whatever reason, people started after Nine Inch Nails, before Soundgarden, started throwing water bottles onto the stage. So Cornell, who I'm realizing later, was apparently he was having throat issues around that time. So he was already in a bad mood to begin with because he wasn't necessarily giving it his all. And then you've got these idiots like throwing bottles. So all I remember, and I'm surprised that I can actually remember this,

is that as water bottles were being thrown, I'm at the front right before Soundgarden is about to go on. I turn and look at me into the night sky as it was at the time. And all I saw was this bottle coming at me. And it's like, for whatever reason, it was paralyzed and it couldn't move. Oh, as it was at the time. And all I saw was this bottle coming at me. And it's like, for whatever reason, it was paralyzed and I couldn't move. Oh,

like a deer in the headlights. Yeah. And pretty much. And it bonked me right between the eyes. It was a plastic water bottle filled with gravel that got hauled into it. That's a weapon. Pretty much. So I was not knocked unconscious,

but I was knocked down. Yeah. And you're lucky he didn't take in the teeth. And then someone pulled me out of the pit to the side, and that's how I watched the rest of the show, because Soundgarden came right on, because I would have been crushed if that was the case. What was that pit like for Jesus Christ Pose?

They actually opened with Jesus Christ Pose, from what I remember, yeah. But I was like to the side. I just played that Thursday night for the Pandemic Friday Grunge episode. It's a great song. Soundgarden were great, but I mean, unfortunately, totally upstage. Totally upstage.

There you go. All right. So speaking of, you know, Streak loved Nine Inch Nails, Martin Streak. Yes, he did. Here's another band that Martin Streak loved. I can see the dry ice fog. We'll be right back. There's a shadow just behind me Shrouding every step I take Making every promise empty Pointing every finger at me

Waiting like a stalking butler Boo upon the finger rest Murder now the path it must be Just because the sun has come Jesus wants you back in Westville Something but the path to die Jesus wants you back in Westville Something but the past is done Chasing what's in fucking whistle Something but the past is done

Why can't we not be sober? I just want to start this over Why can't we drink forever? I know you have a fun fact about Maynard. I do, but before I actually get to that, not to jump around. So I want to go back to what Cam Gordon had brought up when you did your grunge episode. So he had asked afterwards, and I can't remember

what the name of the song was, but he was asking if Collective Soul, if this certain song... Oh, Shine. Was it Shine? Okay. It's got to be Shine, yeah.

Okay, well, he was asking if this could be considered a grunge song. But that wasn't the big argument. It was Soul Asylum's Somebody to Shout. Okay, that's what it was. Sorry, I thought it was Collective Soul.

Sorry about that. But no, to sort of bring it back, would you consider this a grunge song? No. Because it's got that very heavy bass. No, but this is not at all a grunge song. Do you? A little bit. I think I need to talk to the Simcoe.com people,

who they're employing as their music journalist. They are not a grunge band, per se, obviously. It's not a grunge song. I don't believe it. I don't believe it's a grunge song. I don't think many people would consider this a grunge song. Because, of course, grunge evolved from metal. It's like punk and metal hybrid.

So it's that very kind of like sludgy kind of like, you know, so like the baseline for this has always, you know, struck me as a little bit. I just thought I would bring it up. You're just, yeah, well, you know, there's been, I guess, I was going to talk about this Thursday night, but there's been a lot of blowback about that grunge episode. Really? People are very upset, actually. Now, I went five for five. I was going to talk about this Thursday night, but there's been a lot of blowback about that grunge episode. Like people are, people are very upset actually.

No, no, I went five for five. We each pick five songs. Right. So, but you know, some of the things Stuart Stone said on that episode were quite

controversial. I heard him say at some point, anything edge was playing from 91 to 94 or something was grunge. And I was aghast. I was like, like they were playing lowest of the low like nobody and i have the late of this week shout out to ron hawkins who will be sitting there with his guitar late of this week but ron hawkins would uh punch you in the nose if you said he was a grunge man it's not uh salesman cheats and Lies. It's definitely not a grunge song.

But to go back to the fun fact. Yes. So yeah, so in doing the research, now, Molson Park became known for the festivals

that they had there. Okay? So I haven't gone through to see everyone who has played, say, the Vans Warped Tour. But, you know,

they had Lollapalooza. They had the Edge Fest. Maynard is the only person to have played an Edge Fest, Lollapalooza, and he played a Somersault with

A Perfect Circle. I was at that Somersault. I remember it well, and that is a fun fact. So he's the only individual who played at all three of those festivals. Yeah, those incarnations of those festivals. Again, Lollapalooza, Edgefest, and Somersault. Which was 93, so I didn't go to that one. I went to 92 and 94.

But the urban legends that I heard were that, I can't remember if tool was playing the side stage but they had scheduled it in terms of rage against the machine would either play the main stage or one of the side stage and at the same time tool was playing you know whatever the opposite was so literally the crowd was divided in two like because're very, in a lot of ways they're very similar, you know, that alt metal kind of style. Yeah. And literally split the crowd. That's, that's the urban legend that I've heard. So, but yeah, they would have been one of the first bands to have gone on.

And then the 93 year, I believe it was Alice in Chains. That was the headliner. It was either them or primus i think so you know wow we're just we're just bringing out all the bands here so what brewery like before it was i think i asked you this earlier but i don't remember the answer now but molson park and barry uh did it have a different name oh yeah maybe you didn't know uh before it was called molson park before molson what was the other brewery that was there? You know what? I read this somewhere and I'm not going to cheat by looking and like, you know. I'll look. We can cheat.

You know, it's all smoke and mirrors anyways. It was called something else beforehand. Formosa or something? That's it. Yes. Yes. Okay. I actually didn't read that. That was from memory. So I want to shout myself out on this Molson Park and Barrie Memorial episode.

But they had the space. You know, they had the green space there. They had things like the baseball diamond that was there. So they were set up to accommodate larger events. But it was in that kind of like early 90s, like mid-90s kind of thing with the Mariposa Folk Fest. That's when they started first holding events there. But, you know,

but Edge Fest really being the first one. Like what's there right now? If we were to drive there. Park Place and Barrie. Okay, remind me, because I haven't had a purpose to go there since the last Bash and Barrie I went to. So I've never gone,

but it's a shopping, it's a shopping parkade now. So it's very much like the I want to say it's the the shops at Don Mills or something like that we're literally like Alice 89 and 400 has that like big outlet mall is it yeah but that's always been that's all I know the

cook's den else is it like that is it no it's kind of like the shops at Don Mills you know where you like literally drive in and there's like you can can literally drive by, you know, the big box stores. So they've actually renamed one of the streets as Concert Way. Okay. Sort of like in, you know. Memorialize.

Memorial. So from what I remember, there's a Cabela's on Concert Way. There's a Best Buy. There's a, um, there's a Best Buy. There's like four, like a Bed Bath and Beyond. And there's like a couple of other stores, but yeah,

it's all been taken over by like big box stores. Like there's a burgers priest or whatever that I guess you can imagine now all those places. But so what's like, I mean, I mentioned that I saw a few things that used to be at like would have in the past been at Molson Park and Berry. I saw them at Downsview Park. What's replaced? Has anything really replaced Molson Park and Berry?

I don't even know what's been at Downsview Park recently. Even all my memories of Downsview Park are a few years old now. So Vans Warped Tour would have been the last kind of like event there. But I mean, now if you want to get into politics, the Molson Amphitheater, when it came into prominence, you could argue that that took a lot of the business away from those types of shows. So in the past where it would have been, say,

you'll give one show to Kingswood at Canada's Wonderland. You'll give one show to wherever. The band will play twice in the same market. No, no, no, no, no. Those all like became Molson Amphitheater type shows. Yeah. So the one that kind of replaced it was in Oro Medante where they had. The Stones played there. Where they had stones played there where the

stones just played their last year yeah and then where they have the boots and hearts festival and where they had way home for a couple of years but it's since been put on pause um it's a little bit further east so or yeah oramadante is a little bit further east of uh of barry so it's like you know another half hour away or so um i i did pass by it once um you know it looks it looks like it's like, you know, another half hour away or so. I did pass by it once. You know, it looks like it's a nice place. Is it Highway 11? Like, do you take 400 to 11? I think you can get off there off Highway 11.

I'm not 100% sure. I'm not 100% sure. Just every once in a while when I had to drive to like, I don't know, Wasega Beach or Collingwood or something, I feel I took a lot. Anyway, I'm out of my comfort zone here. I don't get north of St. Clair anymore. It would be a little bit tough to bike there, but I'm a little, I'm a little,

I'm still a little miffed because before the Way Home Festival came into existence for Alan Cross, actually, I interviewed the guy who was going to be the general manager of that, of that venue in Oro Medante. And this was before Way Home was officially came into being. So there were like rumors going around that it was going to be like a Lollapalooza Canada

that was going to come back. So I was interviewing about that and he wouldn't spill the beans about anything with Way Home that it came to be. But he did tease that he's like oh it's the perfect kind of event or it's the perfect kind of space that would host say oh i don't know a pearl jam and like ever since then i was like oh my god i want to have like a pearl jam type show that we

had in 1998 that we could revisit and go to again so could you go home again like i feel like now here i am i'm in my mid 40s with four kids like do i want to drive all that home again like i feel like now here i am i'm in my mid-40s with four kids like do i want to drive all that way for like i feel like maybe it's that's from before i had no kids when i that 98 show when i look back okay my son was still uh four years away from being born like i was married but i didn't have any kids yet uh i can you go home again like are we just like i wonder if i'd even buy a ticket i i think for a pearl jam because you're gonna get like a close to three hour show if not longer especially when the shows that they've been playing lately or before this all kind of started um you would definitely get all right you're gonna get me a media pass though right because

you're the uh you're the simcoe.com well we'll see about what they uh but yeah mike you would be my plus one anytime you know I get high, you think I get high, you know that I'm going and I'm gonna tell you all why. So tell me, who are you missing? Maybe I'm missing the reason that you smile in the world. And so listen, in my head I just wanna take a down, imagination set loose and I'm gonna shake them down. Let it flow like a mudslide, when I get on I like to fly the gun. I got depth of perception in my textual, I get props at my magical selection. The Beasties RIP MCA forever Yes I tell ya

So did you know Another fun fact It is We just passed The 20th anniversary Of how the Beasties Were supposed to return To Molson Park

For the third time With Rage Against the Machine With Rage Against the Machine. With Rage Against the Machine. And he broke his collarbone. Yes. I know, because I know. I remember this well. I missed my chance.

So I thought my brother still had the ticket stub for the longest time, but we had tickets to go, and we couldn't wait because we were huge Rage Against the Machine fans, and we had missed them when they played Maple Leaf Gardens on the Battle of Los Angeles tour in 99. But we were like, oh, we know they're going to be coming back. And so this tour ended up being canceled. Molson Park would have been the first show of that epic,

what would have been epic co-headlining tour, and they were broken up like a month later. What could have been. What could have been epic co-headlining tour. And they were broken up like a month later. What could have been? What could have been. Wow. But yeah. And I had missed the Beasties in 98. And I'm trying to go back in my memory bank.

And that's probably because Pearl Jam was like a couple of weeks before or a couple of weeks after. And I was getting to that age where I was like, I can't do this like multiple times like in 1994 or whatever so yeah but they played they played with biz marquee uh in 98 and apparently like from the comments that i was getting was an unbelievable show um i saw like i saw the set list and they played like 30 songs like they the beasties just go nuts. I mean, you know, it's like, you gotta love them for that.

But apparently, um, from what I'm hearing, uh, a tribe called quest was supposed to be on that show as well. Shout out to, you know, five dog,

you know, RIP to him as well. and, uh, but apparently during soundcheck, uh, they like were having like a fight or something or other. And not that they broke up, but they basically did not go on the main bill.

And that was happening during soundcheck. But I know the Rascals were there, a great Canadian hip-hop group. And someone else was there. I want to say it was Chuck Lair. That sounds like the Northern Touch guys yes absolutely what was that again? Chuck Lair and Cardi? I think it was Chuck Lair

Cardinal official but they all ended up playing that bill which I heard was from all accounts on people who were hashtagging memories of Molson park. Um, that was, and you got a good response,

right? There's a lot of heavy nostalgia for this topic. Like even when you were, uh, whatever you posted it on Alan cross, one of Alan crosses pages or whatever. Hundreds of responses. Yeah.

A lot of people, a lot of memories, especially in right. You're right. If you're over, like, I don't know, over 35 or something,

you've got a lot of Molson park and Barry memories. Uh, for sure. For sure. And one of the of the by the way i wanted to share one of the as i was thinking about these molson park shows it reminded me so maybe you'll remember this feeling too like so let's say you're a big pearl jam fan like i was and you hear they're coming to molson park and barry at 98 do you remember finding out okay do you remember the wristband policy so like having i know i remember having i guess you could have any time during the week got a wristband. You go in and get a wristband. But then having to be at the, what was the name of the?

Ticket Master. No, it wasn't. Okay, Ticket Master. But they were inside record stores. Yeah. Name record stores that aren't, Sunrise. Okay, so Sunrise was like a. Sunrise was, I can't remember where.

So I grew up in Mississauga. Okay. And we would always go to... Well, I remember for the 94 show. I can't remember the Pearl Jam show, even though it came later. Right. But I remember for the 94,

Soundgarden, Nine Inch Nails. And even for Lollapalooza and for... We went to Bass Ticket Masters. Yes, Bass. That's back in we went to Bass Ticket Masters. Yes, Bass. That's back in the day. Bass Ticket Masters. But it was in Dixie Outlet Mall. Okay.

Or it was Dixie Value Mall, I think at the time. So I remember going there and we keep going back to this, but I remember buying the tickets and I was saying, you know, oh, I want two tickets or however many we were buying for Soundgarden. Right. And it was either the clerk or it was somebody behind me who said, you mean you want tickets for Nine Inch Nails? Like they even knew then that, you know, they were going to be upstage.

Yeah, I think that was Rob Johnston who was behind you there. It may have been. But I do know, I still remember like it was just like a lottery. So like you'd go to the venue, let's say you go to sunrise or whatever yeah uh for 10 a.m on a saturday you had to be there for 10 a.m and they would say okay the first in line is not they would read the number and you would line up with your wristbands like whatever like and it was like you weren't guaranteed there was no guarantees you just when you got to the lady or the man at the computer like you'd ask for your tickets and they would just go in and see like i just this this whole practice which was so regular for us and like routine is completely gone completely like i

think that's such a key part of the whole experience was scoring the ticket with your wristband and you'd be wearing it all week which was which was weird because i i personally never remember um because you and i are about the same age. So correct me if I'm wrong, if you ever remember this. I never remember camping out like overnight. No, because of the wristband. That's why they had the wristband. Exactly. So like you could literally get up at any time.

They didn't want you camping out at night. So they said, here, have a wristband. It'll be a lottery. So I want to say that started in the 90s. I don't know. Yeah, you're right. I don't know when the wristband thing, that's a smart move on the wristband thing. I don't know when that took effect.

Well, smart move on the wristband, but now it's completely rendered, you know, useless. So, but we can never go back. You know, you just mentioned that. I mean, now it's like, okay, I want to go see the last hip tour and you're pounding away on the computer. And I did score one ticket, but I couldn't get two.

I wanted to take my oldest and I only got one ticket and I went alone. And you're right. Like, it's just now, it's just like, I don't get two. I wanted to take my oldest, and I only got one ticket, and I went alone. And you're right. It's just now, it's just like, I don't know where we're at now. It's the ultimate crapshoot. How many of those are going to scalper sites and stuff like that? So here's a thing. Now, this is completely off. Do you think that's something

that'll change if we ever, quote unquote, get back to normal? Do you think that's what... Oh, I don't know, because I've decided now all the bands I care about are going to play in my backyard. You've got the space for it, Mike. I'm not going to lie. Jay Ferguson wants to play tomorrow, and then I have Ron Hawkins the next day.

I think I'm slowly doing my own edge fests back here. Slowly but surely. Rusty will be back here. It's going to be a good time. Oh, Rusty are fantastic. Love Rusty. One more jam, my friend. You ready?

All right. I heard you crying loud All the way across town To be sentient but not someone Managed to be out on the ground And just sit around feeling sorry for yourself Well don't get lonely now And try your white eyes I'm just rooting for the moving streets And my back hurts as I get so upset

You've been thinking about ditching me No time to search the world around Cause you know we'll all be found When I come around Shout out to one of my greatest, one of my favorite CDs of all time, Dookie. Absolutely. Wow.

I'm surprised you didn't go with Wake Me When September Comes or Wake Me When September Ends. I'm going to Dookie. I'm going to Dookie. Always. Dookie's the best. It's one of the best. If I may, quick story. I'm going to Dookie. Always. Dookie's the best. Dookie's the best. It's one of the best.

If I may, quick story. I didn't want to, while you were playing the song here, I checked my, I was checking my phone and my youngest brother, the one who I lost at Lollapalooza 95, I'll have you know, he was WhatsAppping the Periscope link to friends and family. So you're now, you shout them out. Do you want to shout them out? This is an opportunity to. So this is my brother.

This is my brother who lives in New Jersey, actually. So I was going to say. Jersey Mike. He makes sense. There you go. No, no, no. So I have one brother who's Mike. Oh, that's a different Mike.

This is. Oh, because I know there's a Jersey Mike franchise of, of submarines. Okay. Well, this would be Jersey Robbie, I guess. So, you know,

so the Robbie and his family, you know, there you go. You should, you should be coming back to Canada, but anyway, that's another story. So yeah,

well, COVID sucks. I don't know if you know this. COVID actually really sucks. Yeah, it does. It does. I was actually,

because now I want to go to a concert. And again, I am having concerts in my backyard. But the traditional concerts aren't going to happen for a while. But I was actually supposed to go. My family and I were going to go. We were supposed to go to New Jersey this year and that's exactly when COVID hit. So

that wasn't going to happen. But back to Green Day. Oh yeah, back to Green Day and then I'm going to read a question from a fan. Okay. So, actually, this is a story from Alan Cross that he forwarded on to me after I first posted the Memories of Molson Park. So Green Day played three times.

They played in Edgefest. They played. With Foo Fighters. Yes, yes. Great Edgefest. Yep. They played the Vans Warped Tour in 2000

from what I from what I understand they were like a surprise kind of guest like they weren't advertised on it they just but they ended up

like taking over the whole thing wow that's a big surprise and they played their own show and I'm not going to remember who was on the undercard

but they played their own little mini festival type thing in 2005. Okay. So, which was actually after. So, people would like to say that Live 8, you know, because they had Live 8 there, the Canadian portion.

A lot of people like to think that that was the last show there and I'm still kind of disappointed that I didn't make the effort to go out. Yeah, I watched it on TV. Exactly. Same thing. But yeah. It's the Yeah, I watched it on TV. Exactly, same thing. But yeah, greedy. It's the only photo I have where there's Neil Young, who's one of my favorite musicians,

and Gord Downie, you know, singing together. And Gordon Lightfoot, and the Barenaked Lady. It's crazy. That's right. It's crazy. There's so many people there. Did they do Rockin' in the Free World at the end of that? They did, yeah.

There's actually quite a good video that's on it, and Gord sings on it. Yeah, and they do Oh Canada, too, I think. Yeah. The Barenaked Ladies get that going, I think.? They did, yeah. There's actually quite a good video that's on it and Gord sings on it. Yeah, and they do Oh Canada too, I think. Yeah. The Barenaked Ladies get that going, I think. Something like that, yeah. Maybe it's old Tyler. FOTM Tyler Stewart. There you go. But it's Stephen Page, that's when Stephen Page was still with them. Right. He was also in FOTM.

There you go. It's my job to point them all out. Absolutely. So. Yes, sorry. I don't mean to, I don't mean to interrupt or anything, but, but yeah, no,

so, so Alan Cross forwarded me a story. And I don't think it was this person's son. They just knew that this had happened, but apparently there was a story about a 10 year old kid who went to this show. Huge Green Day fan was so excited to see them, but at some point had to go use the

you know unfortunately the porta potties there and we all know the you know vip the vip experience kind of changed you know the whole washroom kind of thing for it but you know the porta potties were always like an issue i guess sure but unfortunately you were saying like drunken idiots who you know would unfortunately go lots of them would be would go to these shows Drunken idiots who, you know, would unfortunately go, lots of them would be, would go to these shows. Apparently while this 10 year old was in the porta potty, these like drunken idiots just decided to kind of overturn a bunch of porta potties. Fucking idiots. So this poor kid got, a 10 year old kid got caught in one of them. And long story short, he got covered with it or whatever.

That's horrific. Horrific. And I'm sure. Stuff of nightmares. And the kid was, I guess, traumatized at with it or whatever. That's horrific. Horrific. Stuff of nightmares. And the kid was, I guess, traumatized at the time. Sure, still probably. But the security officials and the people in Molson Park, they jumped right into action. Like, you know, they got him to, like, you know, a shower or everything. But so I guess they took them backstage while Green Day were still going on.

But then Green Day's management kind of took over from there and they were like, well, these kids' clothes are ruined. So like, let's get them, you know, like every like, you know, piece of clothing that we can get. Modrobes. So whatever it was, this kid got, I guess, a haul of stuff. And, you know, and I guess like Green Day met them afterwards and like, you know, like, so a real kind them afterwards and like you know like so a real

kind of like thumb in the nose to those idiots who also lawsuit averted maybe a lawsuit well it wasn't necessarily Green Day's fault you know but someone's gonna pay that's wild but this kid ended up with a really good memory at the time

you know what could have been a really horrific experience, you know, ended up being a really cool time. You ready for the real, real Neo is the name of this individual. My question for rock enthusiast. This is an actual question. Prior to the big stage at Molson Park,

there were concerts around the pond north of the eventual concert field i saw some kind of battle of the band show i i only remember helix and oliver heavyside who i don't even know should i know okay wait a minute helix is rock of ages right well no helix i know it's it's give me yeah give me an r oh see helix i know but i don know. I saw them actually at the local park a few years ago. I watched Helix. They were pretty good. Might have been 1980.

It could have been a one- or two-day event. Do you have any idea, Gilles Leblanc, do you have any idea what this is? Can't say I do, no. Is this a feverish dream? Yeah. I was kind of saying earlier that some of the research that I was doing goes as far back. So again, I know the Mariposa Festival was there in say around 84.

But, you know, any recollection of concerts that would have happened before were pretty sketchy. So Set List, not that I'm relying completely on Set List, but Set List's first show that they listed, actually it was kind of weird because they listed it for both like 86 and 87. And I doubt that they played their consecutive years, but was the Beach Boys actually. I don't know if Mike Love would have been there or not, but apparently. He's always there. He's the one who's always there.

Oh, no, I'm thinking of Brian. Yeah, Brian. You're always going to get Mike fucking Love. Yeah, exactly, exactly. Maybe John Stamos, if you're lucky. Wow. We could only be so lucky, but yes. So they were apparently one of the first shows that were there.

And then it really started, like, the section really starts to populate as of, like, you know, the 87 Edge Fest. That would be really interesting to know. I can see that the park would have been used because I mean, it was a perfect, it really was a perfect space for that, that, that the, I don't even want to call Barry. I don't want to insult them by saying like they're part of the GTA, but you know what I mean?

Cause you're like a simcoe.com guy. That's true. That's true. Even though I don't really live there, but you know, I, but I feel like I grew up in that area with all the shows that I went to. So, you know, but yeah, that's the thing. There really hasn't been, when you think about it, there really hasn't been a place that is

replicant. Now, I've never been to Oro Medante to see a way home or anything there, but I thought Downsview Park did a good job. It wasn't quite the same, but you thought Downsview park did a good job. Like I got, it wasn't quite the same, but you could take the TTC there and it felt like a big open field under a sunny sky.

Like I had a few, uh, edge fest experiences at that Downsview park. And I thought this will do. Like I remember thinking that it wasn't terrible, but I mean, I think the thing that I liked the most about Moslin park was that it was big. So it could handle 30,000.

Downsview Park is big. Downsview Park can handle a million people. Well, the part that they actually did the concert, because of course they can handle a million people if the Pope comes or whatever. Exactly. But I mean, Molson Park could fit now whether, because again, that question that came up earlier, what the record was or whatever. Like I remember apparently Van Halen played

on the Canada Day in 1983. And from what I was reading and from what I was finding out, like apparently 50,000 people were there. But I guess what I'm getting at is that, yeah, that's a huge crowd, 30,000, but it felt intimate. Right. Right, because it was a sea of people.

So it might as well have been a million people. And you felt, even though they were all like, you know, crushing people like at the start of nine inch nails there really was a sense of community i'm not getting you know i'm not getting all misty-eyed about the place or whatever but it's okay to get nostalgic i think that's okay like guys our age we we are allowed like i don't think you can go back i think it's forever in your memory of what it was like i don't think you can replicate that feeling of seeing pearl jam in the 90s at Molson Park, or you see Nine Inch Nails at Molson Park. You can't replicate that again. You just can't, it doesn't work that way. Now you've got a mortgage and kids and someone,

your daughter's in college, a university, like my kid. Bathroom rentals. Like that's not how life works, but you can always kind of like, I can listen to that, you know, that's, you know, I can listen to In Hiding from Yield and Remember That Night at Molson Park in Berrien 98. And that nostalgic memory, know that's you know i can listen to in hiding from yield and remember that night at molson park and barry in 98 and that nostalgic memory like that's forever but i don't have any like belief i can duplicate that again that's just that is a good that is a good point the one thing that i was thinking of and i'm surprised that we're waiting until the end of the show if they're really saying but i'm about to give you another gift for making your trek here

so go ahead. It's a place that I would have loved to have taken my kids. So my kids are getting of the age and they're both very much into music. So I've taken them to the place, but like Budweiser stage is not the same. No offense to the people at Labatt or whatever. No, I'm with you on that.

I'm with you on that. It's not the same. It's not the same. I mean, the fields are not bad. I saw Green Day there a couple of years ago with Monica. But you know, it's not the same you know it's not you have i mean the fields are not bad i saw green day there a couple years ago of my with monica uh but what you know it's not the same i still think the closest i felt to it was down to you park but i don't know what they're doing with that space now yeah well that's a that's a good point too and who knows what's going to happen you know god knows what's going to happen you know next year or whatever but it it's somewhere

where i where i would have loved to have taken my kids and experienced it. And it wouldn't have even mattered what the concert was. You know what I mean? It's just, let's just go and let's make a day out of it. And, you know, if you can enjoy one thing out of it, like I did at, you know, a show or whatever that you've discovered, like a new band that becomes your new favorite, you know.

Do your kids like rock and roll? They do. They do. Well, I'd like to say they like a whole bunch of different things. new band that becomes your new favorite you know your kids like rock and roll they do they do well i'd like to say they like a whole bunch of different things like my daughter's into my daughter's into a lot of stuff especially uh she really likes uh we uh my whole family's become very uh uh not obsessed well some of us have become obsessed but with uh korean culture and uh and especially k-pop oh oh okay yeah it's a it's fantastic what's the big uh k-pop. Oh, okay. Yeah. So you'd see, what's it, BTS?

What's the big K-pop? Well, BTS are the big new ones. Right, that's the one guys like me know. I actually went to Seoul. I actually visited Seoul last year. It's a good thing that we did too because we won't be going back there anytime soon. Well, when BTS plays Edgefest.

When they do, yes. If they're ever allowed to come in. Actually, I really like their new song that they have out. It's called Dynamite. But this is pop, right? Isn't it a bit like Backstreet Boys? It's very much like pop. But they have rock elements.

But do you like it or are you just enjoying your kids liking it? I enjoy my kids liking it more than anything. But I can get into it. Would I have gotten into it if I wouldn't necessarily have been exposed to it through my own devices by listening to the music

that I would? Would I have stumbled into it if it wasn't necessarily for my kids? I don't know. Probably not. I can admit that. But listening to it, I really do like it. I got to shout out my daughters. Okay, shout out people because I want to send you home.

I know Bluesy Pink. I've seen her here on Twitter. Is she tweeting it again? No, no. She hasn't tweeted since. But I hope she's still watching. I hope we didn't bore her to death. I may have.

I want you to let Bluesy Pink know and the kids know that you're going to leave here with a large meat lasagna from Palma Pasta. Delicious Italian food. Palma Pasta, great partners. So make sure you don't leave here without it. Okay, who do you want to shout out before I play some more? All I was going to say is my daughter's,

my daughter's favorite Korean band are called Seventeen. And they are a great band. Great band. It's a boy band kind of thing, but these guys can do it all. They sing, they rap, they dance. But do they play their own instruments? Well, they compose their own music. Does one of them pick up a guitar?

Does one of them play bass? They have some rock stuff. I think they do backing bands when they do they write their own stuff. Does one of them pick up a guitar? Does one of them play bass? They have some rock stuff. I think they do backing bands when they do more of the rock stuff. But they do compose their own stuff. So, you know, fantastic stuff. Seventeen, check them out. You know, a little bit different from what we've been talking about this whole time. But, you know.

They didn't play Molson Park in Barry. No, I can confirm they did not play Molson Park in Barry. Gilles LeBlanc, this was fun, man. I enjoyed the trip down memory lane. You've got the nostalgic juices flowing and I enjoyed my, I think, almost two hours. That was great. Thank you, Mike.

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