Toronto Mike'd: The Official Toronto Mike Podcast - New Wave Jams: Toronto Mike'd #836

Episode Date: April 16, 2021

This 57th Pandemic Friday, Mike kicks out new wave jams with Brother Bill, Cam Gordon and Stu Stone.

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Hello, Cam. Hello, Mike. Thanks for having me back. Well, shadow and everything. Welcome back, Brother Bill. So just so people know, we didn't fire Stu Stone. Stu told us he's unavailable.

He's working in LA and Brother Bill, you were so kind to Pinch Hit. We're lucky to have you tonight, buddy. I'm always incredibly honored when I get the opportunity to represent our fine friend, the legendary Stu

Stone, who is with us in spirit, if not in person or via the Zoom thing. He's with us. Not live, though. I have a recording from Stu Stone I'll be playing. Actually, he'll be the first New Wave Jam Kicker because our theme tonight, of course, is New Wave Jams.

What a big topic. I feel like this is one we've discussed for months. And I don't know. I get the hunch this could be our first four or five hour episode. I mean, where do you even begin with a topic like New Wave, really? So before we go there, can I ask in a Dana Levinson kind of way how the weather is in Toronto right now? Not nice today. I was on a bike ride and I was still wearing kind of a spring jacket thing. I would say

it's about 8 degrees. What do you think, Cam? Does that sound right to you? I haven't left the house in like 14 days. That seems about right. I did crack a window open, so that was nice. 8, 9 sounds about right.

A little rainy. it's i mean when i uh just was in the car a moment ago believe it or not and uh there was some raindrops i know i know i know because i was i was picking up my 19 year old and he's here now somewhere here and uh there were some raindrops on the windshield on my way back so there's some rain in the gta but what's the weather like in white rock i could just show you if you didn't see it already. There you go. Can you see that? Yeah.

What does that look like? 20 degrees? What does that look like? That's sunny skies, sunny skies and 18 degrees. That's on the water. And when you get inland here, it gets a little warmer. So it's probably about 21 or 22 inland right now. So shout out to

uh dale cadeau who's at live.torontomic.com and i just know dale is experiencing uh similar weather to you because he's in bc too so it sounds like where is he remind me dale i think it's vancouver but he'll he'll remind me in the chat there they have a little delay but he'll he'll remind me he's behind you. That would be a piano wire. He's in the alley. That's right. But here, quick question. Where is your pro, Captain Phil, where does he live?

He lives in Horseshoe Bay, which is up in West Vancouver. He lives in the least expensive house in West Vancouver. He'll be the first to tell you that. So where the BC ferries go from Horseshoe Bay to Nanaimo, he's right there, two seconds from it. Okay, where's North Delta? North Delta is about halfway between Phil and where I am right now in White Rock. It's the home of, got a pretty good football team at north delta high mitch berger

went there who played for the pittsburgh steelers um and it's uh notorious for being kind of a tougher part of town to tell you the truth that's why dale's there that's where dale cadeau is in north delta that's where dale is yeah he likes the rougher side of the tracks for sure right by the alex fraser bridge that's where he is in case anybody knows bc you'll know maybe that helps okay under the bridge sometimes i feel like okay before we get into the new wave stuff because i got a bunch of questions before we kick out these great jams uh like a little housekeeping if any fotms out there are an arborist i I need an arborist. And I did get a couple of quotes

and it's expensive, these arborists. So I realize I'm going to have to, you know, cough up some real coin. But one of the trees in my backyard, the Asian beetles got to it and killed it. It's dead and I need to remove this tree. So FOTM arborists, hit me up and let me know what's going down. Okay.

I'll take an Asian beetle over an Asian murder hornet any day. Lucky, lucky, lucky guys. We haven't seen one yet here, but they're here. Not looking forward to the day I come across one of those. I'll tell you that. No, you keep those there. Keep those out of Ontario. I'll tell you that. No, you keep those there. Keep those out of Ontario. I will. I will. So you were mentioning cam new wave. And what I, I just, I went to

Wikipedia because when I started doing my research, I thought, well, what, what is the first question everybody's going to ask is what is new wave? So Wikipedia defines it as not that Wikipedia is the be all end all, but new wave is a broad music genre that encompasses numerous pop and rock styles from the late 1970s and the 1980s. It was originally used as a catch all for people or for the people rather my phone is messing up catch all for the music that emerged after punk rock including punk itself but may be viewed retrospectively as a more as a more accessible counterpart of post-punk still a little vague right yeah i i actually made a list here of five

bands of kind of the new wave era that definitely aren't new wave but could sort of beg the question but why aren't they so so we got cheap trick right not new wave but you know not dissimilar would not sound out of place amongst a lot of new wave bands we we have a band that was lumped into new wave i think for a time and that's tom Petty and the Heartbreakers maybe for five minutes I don't think for too long think of an album maybe Refugee the album with Refugee from like 79

yeah I feel like they wore like some skinny ties and skinny suits we have another band we talked about last week Dire Straits not New Wave but we've got the rush song subdivisions is that a new wave song good good point the keyboards the use of the keyboards i guess that could be a bit of a giveaway i know they

obviously rushed there's no secret that they were listeners to cf and y in the 70s and 80s a lot of neil pierce lyrics um you know maybe took a little inspiration from what he was listening to and of course he wrote the spirit of radio which was about of course cf and y yeah totally um just before you go deeper mike and any any thought? Sorry, this is a complete tangent, but... Go ahead. Caitlin, Stacey. Caitlin Ryan. You had Caitlin Ryan on the show yesterday.

I just feel like you need a little rebuttal, just so you don't explode over there. Because that was quite the episode before we pick up our new wave chat. No, no doubt. I wanted to do a little catch up before we dove in anyway. And that's a good place to start. And I think this has been kind of a cool week. Like it started with Cam Wooley,

like just showed up in my backyard. His last week on television, like he's gone now. I think today was his last day. He just, you know, waltzed into my backyard. I haven't done a lot of backyard episodes in 2021. That was the second one.

And I really enjoyed it. Like I enjoyed shooting the breeze with Cam Wooley. He drops out of nowhere, out of fucking nowhere, Cam. He drops this story about this illegal OPP cruiser he spotted up north, like in early nineties. And that basically sparked his entire side hustle,

which is having like ambulances and cop cars and stuff for movies and videos and like tv shows and stuff like that's all sparked from this encounter with the car it turns out that was the car that they were using to be at the scene of the drunk driving crash caused by wheels in schools out that that that there was there was a few mind blows on that episode. I mean, that one was huge. And I mean, I feel like Cam Woolley might be the first person to appear on the Toronto Mic'd podcast

and get a video shout out from Toronto Mayor John Torrey in the same week. And he's going to be like power boating now. Is that a worker's shoot? Well, I looked him in the eyes. I can see the future for Cam Woolley and it involves running as an MPP

in the next provincial election. He didn't confirm nor deny. But I can sense these things. You know what I do in the show. But I thought it was wild to hear that. That's what I do. I hear the school's out bomb dropped by camel. He just,

just, he just drops it. Like it's no big deal. He has no idea what he's just done. Meanwhile, I know who was scheduled next. Cause scheduled next was, again,

I said scheduled, uh, Caitlin Ryan. So I know my next guest is literally Caitlin Ryan from Degrassi and school's out. And I've been already like diving in to get my questions and stuff. I pulled the clip. I was going to open with the you fucked Tessa Campanelli.

You must have flipped your console when he dropped that fun fact. This is the world of Toronto Mike imploding on itself. It could have been anything. It could have been any shitty video, any TV show nobody's ever heard of or watched. It could have been anything, right? It could have been any shitty video, any TV show nobody's ever heard of or watched.

It could have been absolutely anything. But the fact they were shooting Schools Out, which we, Cam, and I'm sorry, Brother Bill, if we've lost you on this Schools Out love in here, but me and Cam are talking about doing like, we want to watch it and comment on it in real time. Like we are...

A watch-along. A watch-along. We're going to do a three-hour episode on Schools Out. Like this will happen hopefully before Schools Out. Like literally. I have no idea what you're talking about. That's okay. I do.

I did watch Degrassi back in the day, if that means anything. There you go. Well, okay. I'm going to bring it back around. Because I mean, in Schools Out, some of the bands featured on the soundtrack included Spoons.

Right. One of Canada's greatest new wave bands was on the soundtrack of Degrassi's Schools Out. Will we be hearing Spoons today? Spoons or FOTM, Gordep? Good question. It would be a good choice. And think of this,

Cam Wooley, Gordup, Cam Gordon. Oh. There you go. Think about that. So pardon my ignorance, but I am not sure and I'm not aware of him. Cam Wooley is who? Okay. Cam Wooley was like.

Sorry, Cam. That's okay. Sorry, all Cams. How would you know Cam Wooley if you were in White Rock for 10 years? Because he was an OPP guy for decades. Oh, I know who he is. He was a sergeant. Yeah, and he became the guy with the personality. He had a big

personality. I remember he used to walk. I know who you're talking about. I apologize. He was like a media liaison at the end of his OPP life, and then he turned into the CP24, you know, guy who would be, if there was a big crash or something he'd be like at the side of the road with his live eye or live camera for like cb cp24 breakfast so that cam woolly thing was amazing because it was in person and it was great then

out of nowhere kim's convenience this is not out of nowhere but almost kim's convenience is wrapping up this big abrupt ending and all the cast members are kind of pissed about this because they were i know all about that yeah they were signed on for a sixth season the creator there's a whole bunch of politics going on behind the scenes but basically they said okay they didn't even know they filmed the finale like it wasn't written as a finale but season five which was happening tuesday night that was it for kim's convenience and then uh sujith and I don't want to fuck up his last name because I got it right with him here I'm going to do again Sujith Varughese

uh who plays Mr. Meta who oh yes he pops in and chats up and he wanted to come on like hours well we we had him on Toronto Mike hours before the finale just to talk about what the fuck happened there so that happened between the cam Wooley bombs and the,

uh, what I think was an amazing episode with Stacy mystician. I'm glad you listened, cam. I'm curious if I wanted to hear from someone like yourself to hear, like, was it as good as it felt? Like I need,

I thought it was fantastic. And you know, what took it from like a 9.5 to a 9.8 is when you asked her if she knew stew stone and she's like why would i know stew stone i haven't listened yet obviously i need to i ask that question a lot that's becoming the new like is james b famous so i met stacy along with the the character i can't remember her name she played, I can't remember her name. She played Spike. I can't remember her name either.

Spike. Yeah. Amanda Steptoe. Yes. Amanda, right. I met them both in Whistler. My friend Brent Donnelly, this is years ago. My friend Brent Donnelly, who's a tour manager, was working with them.

They were doing sort of this little tour. I don't know if it would tie it into Degrassi in any way shape or form but they were djs and they were spinning at a club up in whistler and we went and hung out with them for a while wonderful lovely people and and years ago amanda amanda was was really a big fan of punk rock and she borrowed a social distortion DVD from me and I never ever saw it again. I think that that hairstyle was her character's hairstyle because it was the actress's actual hairstyle. I think

so. Although it was only Zoom and it was only an hour and a bit, I will just say from what I could gather, Stacy Mystician was a sweetheart and is a sweetheart and I'm really happy to have her as an FOTM now. I thought it went really well.

Is she still in Toronto? She's in like Ajax or Whitby or one of those like east of Toronto places. The natural progression after you're in a successful show as a child is to move to the Ajax Whitby area, of course.

It's a good question in the live so periodically I'll shout out people uh who are commenting at live.torontomic.com but one of the great questions is is the zit remedy new wave I would say they're more like a uh power pop but again power you know some new you know a band like Squeeze. Are we going to be hearing Squeeze today? I'd say Squeeze is kind of a power pop band, but I would consider them new wave Squeeze. But Zit Remedy, no. They're also too late. They're more like late 80s, early 90s.

Yeah. So they were children. They were children. I think they were inspired by the right bands and people, but I don't think they really would fall into the genre, which is such a huge genre, by the way. And we're going to have to talk about this because I, when I was doing some research, you look over to Cam's, over Cam's right shoulder, you'll see a Sisters of Mercy cassette there.

The other side, Cam. cam yeah okay uh i gave my dave davala the yellow one yeah and and you know you look at some of these bands like the sisters of mercy they're the dark wave and they're the sort of uh the borderline goth um there's of course industrial and and i avoided all of those bands one band kinda one of the bands i'm going to play today kind of jogs that line a little bit because they wore black but um i avoided a lot of the dark wave or industrial stuff because i figured if we're doing new wave we're we're kind of really throwing, Oh, the sisters of mercy is on the other side too. Sorry, Cam. Um, anyway, I, I,

I kind of threw a pretty generic blanket over it, if you will, because I didn't want to confuse anybody. Cause we could literally, this is a conversation, like you said, off the start cam, this could be a four or five, six hour show. If we really wanted to go deep my question through this experience before we get back to you cam uh like is the presence of synthesizer enough to qualify it as new wave no no i i don't think so because i mean then you get into you know is yes owner of the lonely heart is that new wave no i think that had synthesizer on it so

i would say i would say no definitely i would agree yeah i would agree i gotta ask the tough questions around here okay i gotta ask absolutely cam what were you gonna say before i rudely interrupted you well i i was gonna say sisters of mercy fun fact about them is i don't know i can't remember was an entire tour but they actually went on tour with public enemy for a while do you guys remember that i feel like they played at um candace wonderland even and i want to say gang of four also was on that bill wow wow i could be totally mixing this up but i feel like that was a thing sisters of mercy with public enemy with gang of four opening maybe someone in the chat room you know yeah vps sales could verify if that's true if i'm totally imagining this shout out though to uh yyz gourd and he made make sure i don't say yyz gourd because

he spells it z e yyz gourd a couple of reasons one is he says he loved the cam woolly episode and i appreciate that and also he says that my whole synthesizer question, he says, no, then Eurasia would be new wave and they're not new waves. And why is Eurasia, are they too late? Because I feel like Eurasia, I think of Eurasia as like a late, late 80s band. They were, yeah.

Yeah. And of course, Vince Clark was in Depeche Mode, who was in Eurasia. I would consider, I would let that one go if somebody dropped erasure i'd say we could call that new wave i mean albeit it is at the end of the that movement i think well but definitely inspired by if not i mean i mentioned to get to these jams because i think it's going to spark a whole bunch of debate just like that uh just want to say shout out uhose Grumpy. I also love the Cam Woolley episode. So I have to, you know, compliment myself that way. I do want to say that Sunshine and Broccoli, that's the name of a

children's group. They're not children in the group. They're adults who perform for children. And Sunshine and Broccoli, they were name checked by Stu Stone last week. And I think it's Sunshine, but it might be Broccoli. I believe it was Sunshine was listening to that episode of Pandemic Friday, heard the name drop of Sunshine and Broccoli

and reached out to Stu to try to get on Toronto Mic'd. So I'm happy to say that Sunshine and Broccoli are coming soon to Toronto Mic'd. That's amazing. And Mike, for those of... You got a rather provocative photo Toronto miked. That's amazing. And Mike, for those of you,

you got a rather provocative photo sent to you. Speak of children's entertainers by, was it Splashin' Boots? I actually, I'm glad you brought this up. This bothers me a bit because I was very friendly with Splashin' Boots and I pumped their tires at every opportunity. And I even booked them to play a TMLX, although they blew me off for Alan Doyle but that's a good reason I think to blow somebody off but all this is to say

that I was on a newsletter for Splashin' Boots and I got this newsletter with a picture on it and I saw the picture and all I could see What was the picture? So you know they have the dog right? What's his name? Charlie? I bet it rhymes with boots. There's a splash, there's the boots there's like a piano called Keys and there's a dog named charlie i think and uh yes this picture which had

a the dog had a sock in its mouth his mouth therefore the photoshop that was done on this it was it was a it was a penis okay an erect penis a penis there's a penis and it was a large furry erect penis belonging to the dog of course and it's all i could see and i might have and i know i did so i won't even play dumb here but i tweeted about this accidental penis and i'm pretty sure they're they were upset at me for doing that and i haven't heard from them since so I feel like accidental penis was a great song by king missile I was gonna say we heard accidental I like that we started talking about all the other uh subliminal penis the great subliminal penises of yesteryear the zoodles penis the ikea catalog also I think was a dog penis uh the great penises yeah

there's even a still and i don't know which disney movie it was i think it might be the little mermaid littlest mermaid or whatever that's called yes there's a still where it looks like the uh the guy in there looks like he has an erection but of course it's just the way they drew these characters uh by the way yyz before we kick out the first jam, which is actually courtesy of Stu Stone, he's just pointed out that Eurasia is a little more dance than what he would consider New Wave, so this debate will be interesting as we get into it.

That's fair. Let me just start with the Stu Stone jam, and because he's not here, I'm just going to start it, play a bit of it, then I'll bring it down and play his clip. So, are you ready to rock? Yes, sir. When I'm with you baby, I go out of my head And I just can't get enough, and I just can't get enough

All the things you did to me and everything you said I just can't get enough, I just can't get enough We slip and slide and we fall in love Everything you said, I just can't get enough. I just can't get enough. We'll slip and slide after we fall in love. And I just can't seem to get enough. What's going on, Mike, Cam, brother, the rest of the PF universe, this is Stu Stone, and I'm going to give you a new wave, Stu wave, Jew wave pick. With no fun facts, no fanfare, no nothing. Just a straight pick.

You guys accused me of low-hanging fruit. Well, I'm going to pick a seed Never mind the low hanging fruit A seed that helped plant the tree For the popularity of the genre So hopefully this qualifies And Mike doesn't disqualify it Disqualify it

Before it gets a chance to be heard But yeah This is a band called Depeche Mode. Just can't get enough. Because, you know, when it comes to new wave music, we just can't get enough. Am I right? Am I right? Hopefully, I will speak to you soon.

All the best and much love to all the FOSs. All the FOSSs out there, and all the FOTMs. Love you guys. What say you two gentlemen? Oh, you're looking at, okay. Yeah, you too. You want me to start, Cam? I saw the hand.

Well, like I mentioned just before Stu started talking there, let's start at the top. And that's probably the biggest New Wave band of all time. That's Depeche Mode. And that's from their debut album released in 1981 called Speak and Spell. It's a, I don't know, is it a coincidence that both Stu and I picked that song to start our pandemic Friday on New Wave with, I acquiesced and stood aside because Stu, you know, being the co-host of this show on a regular basis, is far up the chain, farther, further up the chain than I am. So I backed off, but I did do a bunch of homework on Depeche Mode

because they're one of my favorite bands of all time. I've seen them more than any other band. And every show I've seen has been in Toronto. I've seen them, I saw them at Kingswood back in the 80s many times. The CNE, I saw them at Massey Hall in 1984 or 5.

Whoa. Yeah. And just look at the numbers. First of all uh the first album speak and spell features vince clark who went on to uh form yazoo or yaz and then erasure with andy bell he wrote that song just can't get enough um depeche mode forming in 1980 in a place called basildon which is in essex just in the northeast part of london they have sold any idea take a guess guys how many records depeche mode have sold worldwide in their 41 year career at 40 i'm gonna say they've sold 25 million records i'll say 45 million final answer i'll say actually i'll say 35 million okay you should have went the other way

100 million wow holy shit they are one of the best-selling bands of all time. It's phenomenal. When I was doing the homework, I was thinking the same rage. 40, 30, 40, maybe. 100 million albums. 54 songs in the UK singles charts. They've released 14 albums. And obviously, their best year was 1987, Cam. I don't know if you were a fan of them

or when you jumped on the mode bandwagon, if you have. But 1987 was really their breakout year in their album music or their tour, Music for the Masses. That was the name of the album as well. This is where they played, what, like the Rose Bowl? They wrapped up that tour. Yeah.

They wrapped up that tour at the rose bowl in california in front of 60 000 people wow yeah i for me i mean because i i would have only been like nine or ten at the time i i the only depeche mode song i remember when i was a little kid was people are people because i i like a lot of things when i was a little kid i remember the video because i think they were like on a submarine or like a boat or something. And you heard almost the clanking, which, you know, in hindsight is almost like kind of an industrial thing.

But then obviously when Violator came around, it was just like a monster. We were talking a little bit off the top of listening to 680 a lot, which is pure top 40. And that album was all over the that you know between personal jesus which kind of scared me when it came out because it was just so different than everything else was on top 40 radio and then obviously uh enjoy the silence and policy of truth and just worlds in my eyes yeah just like massive massive uh

album and obviously one of the ones that helped usher in kind of the 90s and you know just pre-grunge i mean that was really top of the heap when you talk about like modern rock and you know i assume that was all over cfny at the time and top of the they were they were huge i mean it went from that album speak and spell which had just can't get enough and dreaming of me was the first single. I remember CFNY played that too. And it was just a slow and steady climb the way REM did in the 80s, the way U2 did in the 80s, the way Depeche Mode did. But Depeche Mode maybe wasn't as commercially acceptable as, say, REM and U2. But I mean, look at the numbers, a hundred million albums sold worldwide. I mean, this is a, this is a force of a band. Um, and I mentioned 87 was their breakout year, but you're

right after they released Violator, they took it to a whole new level again and, and have managed to, you know, stay relevant. Um, they're still together, but there's been some bad times. I mean, in 1996, their singer, Dave Gahan, he died. No, he overdosed. That's right. And then he came back for two minutes. He was dead for two minutes. He has a nickname. Paramedics in Los Angeles have nicknamed him the cat because they figure he has nine lives because of his problems with speedballing the same thing that killed jimbo sorry john belushi right um shooting heroin cocaine at the same time tends to you know take you out eventually dave gahan has survived a number of overdoses before he got sober he's been sober for 11 years now. But yeah,

it's, it's quite the, quite the story of, of this band and having the chance to meet them. Everyone, except for Dave, a number of times, boy,

you'd never know. They, they sold that many records because they're just, they don't have the attitude. Yeah. Mike, I feel like it was a very, very early pandemic Fridays.

It might've been our guys and Gals duets episode, if you remember that one. Of course. Talk about how, yeah, Dave Gahan, I think it was like of 93 when they put out the album that had like I Feel You. Songs of Faith and Devotion. Yeah, him and like Nick Cave almost became the same person

in like their look and had the long hair. And I think we're both at the peak of their excesses at the time because i think that tour in 93 which i feel like they played i want to say the skydome with like primal scream or something or it was just like famous for the debauchery and and yeah like just kind of drugs and the heroin actually he actually on that tour had a heart attack in new orleans when they on that same tour. And you can remember what he looked like. And then, of course, tried to commit suicide in 1995 unsuccessfully. So things are obviously a lot better for Dave Gahan.

And maybe we'll just leave that at that because you can't look at the history of Depeche Mode and not paint a positive brush. I mean, just what they did for electronic music. It's just it's incredible. So big start. Go ahead, Cam. brush i mean just what they did for electronic music it's just it's incredible so big start go ahead cam i was just gonna say they they were probably i'm gonna guess one of the few new wave bands you know of the 80s that really successfully transitioned into the 90s because when i was going through them at my list today you know there's all sorts of like great choices but not that many bands that you know also had hits right in the 1990s

there's certainly a few but i mean a lot of like one hit wonders in the new wave genre or maybe like two or three hit wonders but yeah i mean in terms of like long careers maybe a bit less so and perhaps because like the new wave era was you know semi-short, I guess, in hindsight. Now, great start. That's a big monster band and a great start. So thank you, Stu. And yes, of course, that was also on Brother Bill's list. And then Brother Bill was so gracious to replace it with another jam.

I do just want to point out that the great Ian Service, who designed live.torontomic.com so we could do this without the music labels and, you know, getting pissed. I didn't realize this until right now that Andrew Ward just shared an M4A file.

So apparently we can share like audio files at live.torontomic.com, which is news to me. So he shared like a just can't get enough schizo mix. I think it's like a Trojan virus.

Watch out, Andrew Ward. Call CDN Technologies. Was it remixed by Shep Pettibone? That's it. Is it a Shep Pettibone remix? I came across one of those, actually. I can't remember what band it was, but I came across one of those in my research. Brother, they were everywhere.

They were everywhere. Canada Kev, I wanted to say hi to him. He's a great FOTM. Clearly entranced. Cam Brio is wondering if Kraftwerk counts as they were everywhere uh canada kev i wanted to say hi to him uh he's a great fotm uh clearly entranced cambrio is wondering if uh craftwork counts as uh as new wave i say of course it does not but we'll uh you know uh who else really well it doesn't because that's more of it's a post-punk like techno type offshoot more than a new wave offshoot i would say how about but what would you say brother one influence for depeche mode was craft work yeah but i don't but would you if we kicked out uh a craft work song would you say that was an appropriate that was a song that would fit in

the new wave genre yeah what about your model or something like that huh okay i'd say yes i'd say yes that's new wave because remember uh good old wikipedia what it said you know post-punk that kind of thing i mean that's definitely craft work would have been what early to mid 70s i want to say yeah like i feel like like autobahn and and yeah trans zero express was kind of mid 70s but then they had like actual like hits i think in the early 80s they you know they weren't again top of the charts the calculator song tour de france was a song that's right we've kicked that out i think uh cam's got the t-shirt we gotta let the germans represent because this music isn't strictly from the uk um that's one thing we'll establish as well that that there's different new wave.

And again, like what we did a month or so ago with the American Hardcore, we could have just done American New Wave. Do you know what I mean? Oh, you're right. You're right. You're right. And it's interesting because all my jams are from the same country, but I've said too much. Can I crack open a fresh craft beer from Great Lakes Brewery before I kick out Cam's first jam? Please do. I sure got to be somewhere later, which I don't think you can

because you're not allowed to go. You guys are not allowed to go anywhere, are you? They say that, but I literally leave my house for 90 minutes a day. You're on a bike, though. Yeah, I'm on a bike. But golfers are leaving to go golf for four hours bastards yeah we're looking at what's going on where you are from the west and we're we're having the same problems as far as covid goes with the surges but the numbers are nowhere near as bad and we don't

have the lockdowns that you guys have i mean you can't go to a restaurant right now but that's you know you can go to a restaurant sit on the patio or take out which is probably like the worst it's ever been out here whereas i see like footage of college street and i see like three in the afternoon there's nobody on it don't actually don't don't get me started like this will be like a six hour episode if don't even get there they're talking about stricter measures being announced as early as tomorrow too. So stay tuned. Maybe MF will give us an exclusive when she digs that up.

Okay. I do want to say Canada Kev, like myself, we've both just cracked open a burst from Great Lakes. So shout out to Great Lakes, great partners of the program. I realized we haven't actually

technically started yet because Stu's was like the bonus. So here's Cam's first jam. Oh, right. I'm out. Come on screaming Come on screaming Come on screaming I've never seen you look like this without a reason Another promise falling through another season Passes by you I never took the smile away from anybody's face And that's a desperate way to look for someone who is still a child

In a big country dream, stay with you Like a lover's voice, part the mountainside Great song, Cam. Talk to me, In a Big Country. Stay alive mood this is just like a feel-good sorry inspired i always equate this song with travel for some reason like it's it's sort of like getting out and sowing your wild oats in the big country uh you know not a shout out to brian reeves i guess um i love it speaking of we have a bank no almost vancouver guy on the on the zoom here uh this was not just in a big country this was a big hit yes or a big country yeah so this song went to number interesting it went to number three in canada went to number seven australia a bit lower in the u.s and the uk where it peaked at number 17 um and again like i

feel like most folks in north america think of big, who are a Scottish band formed in 1981, are a one-hit wonder. They actually have some other hits in the UK. I was listening to a few of them on Spotify in preparation. To be honest, none of them sound at all familiar, but I don't think Big Country are really a one-hit wonder, although I think you certainly could argue that they were in North America, with this far and away being their biggest song um this song i i this i did not know that stewart adamson is one of the founders of this band he was in the band the skids which right

i'm trying to remember if they came up on on our punk episode they weren't really a hardcore band, but had the famous kind of early... Over 70s, like 76, 77. Yeah. Into the Valley was a big song by them. Exactly. Yeah, and I never knew that there was that lineage. So that was a fun fact. But yeah, I mean, this song came out in...

83? 83, yeah. And Big Country was so big, they actually played Saturday Night Live and the Grammys a year later. So they were in Saturday Night Live in 1983, the Grammys a year later. Can you guys guess who hosted Saturday Night Live

the night that Big Country was a musical? What year again? 1983. Was it also a Scots person? No, here's a clue. What year again? 1983. Was it also a Scots person? No, here's a clue. The host had nothing to do with the 80s, really, in my mind.

Wow. I need another hint. Yeah, I'm just going to say it. It was the fucking Smothers Brothers. Oh, my God. Love it. the the fucking smothers brothers oh my god love it yeah what tom and dick smothers one of them was probably doing like fucking yo-yo tricks mother always liked you best that was the big one and then the next week after that was actually jerry lewis was musical guest a little can con here lover boy wow what year was that camp so that was in 1983 yeah but that was a rough period for snl that was a tough period that was sort of a in between and then for the grammy some of the

other artists that performed in 1984 alongside big country included donna summer bonnie tyler we can assume probably total eclipse of the heart the eurythmics they both be getting to them uh irene cara uh flash dance flash yeah but i think she actually sang what a feeling and then herbie The Eurythmics, we'll be getting to them. Irene Cara. Flash dance. Flash dance. But I think she actually sang What a Feeling. And then Herbie Hancock did Rocket, which I actually want to go look that up because that's a fantastic song.

I've got a couple when you're ready. I've got a couple of stories about that. I've got just one more quick thing. They did a lot of backing for a bunch of people after they hit the big time, namely the band backed Roger Daltrey in his 1985 solo album

Under the Raging Moon. Yeah, and then Tony Butler who played bass in the band. He actually provided backing vocals for the Pete Townshend, his big solo single Let Love Open the Door. Of course.

And also backing vocals on The Pretenders, back on The Chain Game. Wow. Yeah, which I mean, I had no idea. I didn't really know anything about big country beyond they were Scottish and sort of a one-on-one. That's one of those songs, Cam, that when I hear it now, I hear the Girl Talk song in my head.

Because it's one of those. Also, Under a Raging Moon, not to be confused with Candy and the Backbeats, Under Aladdin Moon. Under Aladdin Moon, for sure. Yeah, people would obviously get those two confused. And before we get to Brother Bill's story on this, shout out to Beck, who says that's a feel-good song. So we're glad Beck is feeling good.

And we're talking about bands that the name of the band is the same as the name of the song uh and uh cambrio is reminding us of uh living in a box living in a box was by living in a box wasn't it was it living in a box by living in a box i was gonna say these guys played on two albums by the who who had who are you so maybe they only appeared on other bands that had like hits right with their name oh and it's herbie it was herbie hancock's birthday like the other day maybe yesterday or the day before i don't know so brother i just watched the quincy i just watched the quincy jones uh documentary with the herbie hancock makes a couple of appearances in that anyway i digress a little bit there so So, okay, so Big Country, the problem with Big Country was that,

and it surprised me, Cam, when you said it only went to number three in Canada because that summer, I think it was, of 83, that song was absolutely everywhere. Q was playing it, Chum FM was playing it, CFNY was playing it. It was their first single. So anything they followed up with after that, they just had no chance. We played a bunch of their other songs. They had a song called Teacher,

The Teacher, which was pretty good. But even off that album, they had a song called East of Eden. They had a song called Chance. Later on, they had a song called Where the Rose is Sown. Again, another one of these bands. It's one of my favorite bands of all time, Big Country. Despite the fact that for the average human being,

the song You Know is the one we played in a big country. They played Kingswood Music Theater in front of 16,000 people. I think their biggest show in North America up to that point had been about 1,000 people in any other city they came on stage they couldn't believe how many people were there they of course started with another song that was a big song in the UK for them called Wonderland which makes sense and they had to play it again and then you know they just couldn't get that momentum but they did have another song in the late 1980s that was a top

40 hit in Canada I can't remember what it was called but they ended up being the first western band to perform in Moscow it was late 80s the reason I know this is because of Ivor Hamilton Ivor Hamilton went with the label Universal, who big country were signed to, to communist Russia to see this show. And he would be a great guy to talk to. This was even before the Scorpion? Well, that's where I'm going because I,

we've talked quite a bit about the Scorpion show in Moscow. As far as I know, I could be wrong, but that's the story I have. But that's a mind-blowing fun fact. That's wild. That's wild. Yeah. So Ivor, the far as I know, I could be wrong, but that's the story I have. But that's a mind-blowing fun fact. That's wild. That's wild. Yeah, so the only things I remember, I were talking about Russia at the time where I checked into the hotel and there were a bunch of drunk Finnish people all over the place, passed out on the couches and stuff. And when he went to check in, the lady handed him seven

pieces of toilet paper. And that was his ration for the day well if he uses both sides do they have at least if they had a bidet maybe you could actually pull that off i guess so but that's it's unfortunate because you know what if you don't know big country's music and you like that song yeah gotta check out some of the songs i mentioned there that you know spotify things like. You can have the best of. This is big country. Listen to that sometime. Is all their stuff very guitar driven? Because I think

they're probably unique to some of the stuff we might be hearing later. Because I mean, I think of them as like, not a hard rock band, but very much a guitar band where a lot of new wave bands are not. Right. Well, not only guitar driven, but if you listen to the sound of the guitar the guitarist whose name has escaped me as well he tried to emulate bagpipes that's

what that sound is he tried to create the sounds of bagpipes being scottish that's what uh can that sound and he stayed with that yeah that guitar sound is like a is a bagpipe simulation i was gonna say that that's right uh above the fold on wikipedia in their entry it said uh the band engineered a guitar driven sound that evokes the sound of bagpipes fiddles and other traditional folk instruments so uh and then on the the darker side of things as i stay in the shadows here unfortunately stewart their singer, committed suicide, I want to say in the early 90s, in a hotel room in Honolulu, Hawaii.

That's a sad fact. We won't call that a fun fact. Probably no drunken Finnish people there. Well, you never know. I'm now realizing this really will be a four-hour episode, so I'm eager to kick out the first jam. Believe it or not, we're still in round one,

not even halfway through round one. Uh, first jam for our special guest, brother, Bill. We'll be right back. In coats of many colors Red time and drop Stay below, stay below, stay below, stay below Temperature drop

America's a boyfriend I'm touched by pleasure, hey Heartbeat on the, heartbeat on the, heartbeat on the, heartbeat on the So promise now And love song Love song Love song All right, there you go. Simple Minds. Since we're dealing with Scotland, with big country,

let's stay in the same town, same city in Scotland that they're from and that's Glasgow and that is the legendary new wave band come rock band Simple Minds from their 1981 album Sons and Fascination

and a song called Love Song Cam you recognize that? Yeah, totally. I was just saying in the comments that the opening, I think it's because of the bass part. I thought it was, well, I thought it was two songs. I thought it was going to be what images invoke lust for love

or loss, whatever that. And I also thought it was Robert Palmer's Didn't Mean to Turn You On. That bass part sounds kind of familiar. But yeah, of course, Simple Minds seemed like one of the real, to me, like one of the superstars of the genre and certainly heard this all the time growing up on Retro Night and whatnot. Yeah.

Banger choice, brother. Banger choice. That's what Ty Catman is saying in the chat. Thank you, Ty Catman. I appreciate that. brother banger choice uh that's what ty cat man is saying in the chat thank you ty cat man i appreciate that yeah simple minds were pretty much the definition of new wave in their early days uh sons and fascination was actually a double album uh it was sons of fascination and um now all of a sudden i can't read my own writing anyway they split the album in Canada because they took six songs from Sons and Fascination and they took four from Sister Feelings Call.

That's what it's called. Double album in the UK. They joined them together, you know, in Canada. It was a top 20 hit, Love Song was, in three countries. Canada, Australia, and Cam Gordon's presumably place that he'd like to travel to one day, Sweden. That was a top 20 hit for them. But in the U.S., nobody knew who they were. And it wasn't until 1985 and a certain movie with a song that they didn't write,

did they become a massive band in the U.S. And that, of course, is Mike. That's The Breakfast Club. But I think the fun fact we drop every single time it comes up, I believe that was supposed to be Billy Idol singing that song. Do I have that right?

Billy Idol, right. Billy Idol turned it down. Don't you forget about me. We're talking about. Then Brian Ferry of Roxy Music and Solo, he turned it down. Simple Minds originally turned it down because they had it

offered to them first then they went back and thought well maybe we should do it uh wise move anyway rest is history yeah sons of fascination though is a great album uh it's a very new wave album it's you got to be a fan of the of sort of that genre uh jimr, a couple facts for you. Jim Kerr married to a couple of very famous people for a time. Cam? I think Chrissy Hynde was one of them. Correct. He was married to Chrissy Hynde from 1984 to 1990.

And then he divorced her and he married somebody who was in Lethal Weapon 2. Danny Glover. Rene Russo. Rene Glover. Rene Russo. Rene Russo. Rene Russo? No.

Wow. What happened to her? No. Also somebody that was married to Liam Gallagher. Oh, fuck. What's her name? Patsy Kensett. Beautiful.

Nice job, Cam. Look at this. Patsy Kensett. And I had to go a little deep on patsey kensett and i found out that patsey kensett's father was a guy named jimmy the dip now it sounds like a uh what do you call it movie like snatch or like lock stock two smoking barrels uh what's the name of the guy that did those movies? Guy Ritchie. Yeah, yeah, Mr. Madonna. And it should be,

because Patsy Kenseth's father used to hang around with these two brothers from London called the Krays. Oh. The Kray twins. Does that ring a bell at all? There's been a couple movies about them. And it was just...

I feel like the guys from Spandau Ballet played... Just where I was going. The Kray Twins in the 1980s was a movie starring the twin brothers from Spandau Ballet. But it's an interesting story about Patsy Kenseth and her father, Jimmy the Dip. But anyway, let's go back to Jim, Jim Kerr. Actually, let's go to Derek Forbes, who is the bass player until 1985 for simple minds now right away you mentioned cam the bass line is what stood out that's what you heard right away

that guy who's not really known he's not a household name but derrick forbes along with big country's bassist uh tony what did you say his name uh tony danza no tony butler tony butler two of the best bass players of that era were from glasgow scotland both of those guys phenomenal bass players um a couple quick things for you in 1981 cf and y listeners this is from wikipedia cf and y listeners voted sons and fascination along with King Crimson's Discipline the number one albums of that year. Sorry, what year is that again? 1983?

1981. Wow. That was the year. Ended up number 46 on the Canadian charts because Cam, I know you like that. Number four in Sweden. Number 11 in the UK. And here's this question again let's let's take another guess and people at home can guess too how many albums have simple minds sold

in their entire career 19 albums whoa it's not that high it's not that high it's only about uh 18 million all based on the Breakfast Club single. Yeah, I'll say I'll go a bit higher, but I like my spec. Let's go 25 million. You guys are very conservative in the East. 60 million albums.

I mean, we have to remember, once upon a time from 1985, Alive and Kicking, Sanctify Yourself. True. They had some big songs. People bought albums back then. It's a whole different ball of wax. You're right.

Totally. But there you go. Quite the career. They had to cut their last tour short because they were playing in Denmark the night everything got shut down last March. But they're still around. And yeah, I wanted to make sure i

mentioned derrick forbes but also for the soccer fans my last fact here in 1998 jim kerr the singer of simple minds and some friends including a soccer player by the name of kenny dalgleish tried to buy celtic fc Scottish Premier Division. And they failed. Wow. By the way, Canada Kev saw Simple Minds in 1985 and Social Distortion opened for them in 85. Is that true? Social Distortion and Simple Minds.

Honestly, I don't know the gentleman that well, but I get the feeling this is a very honest FOTM candidate Kev. Okay, Neil, I feel like I'm going to have this rebuttal maybe a few times today. I remember I want to say like 1990, we talk about New Wave bands and how they progressed in the 90s. I remember

Simple Minds had a song in the 90s called She's a River. Yeah. Was that something CFNY would have played like i'm so i think mike is too like did cfny play this song because i feel like that was like kind of a mix 99.9 once we weren't playing simple minds once nirvana came along i think simple minds had had gone past radio i mean because they've been releasing albums uh They continued to do so, but radio kind of went in its own direction, obviously, with the grunge movement,

and I don't think Simple Minds... But you know what? I don't want to say that's true, because I remember Simple Minds in there somewhere in the 90s, and it was a song... I don't know. I don't know if we played it.

I always thought... One other comment about Jim Kerr, he always really reminded me of how he presented and conducted himself like Bono. Like he seemed to have a real grandiosity about him in terms of how he performed and even just like his facial expressions. Like he seemed like he was like really into these tunes. Intense.

Yeah. Intense. Yeah. And I remember one time Simple simple minds in the early 80s came probably around that 81 82 83 84 was another song that uh anyway he came in and i remember him saying that normally they don't do interviews but they came in to talk to cf and why because we were the biggest station in north america playing their music wow and i found that really odd to tell you the truth i thought k-rock in la

would be all over them but apparently like a lot of these bands out of the uk from this genre of new wave the rock side they couldn't get any play because the likes of tom petty and a lot of the american 80s bands and brother as we've learned as we've learned, as we've learned from, you know, your friend Alan Cross and others on this program, because there was a promise of performance, like a CRTC where CFNY could not play that much Top 40, that meant that they looked to the UK to play songs that were hits overseas, but not Top 40 hits here. Because that was like a, you know, a way they could play music. Yeah. because that was like a way they could play music. Correct. And also because of the fact that at that time a lot of people were first or second generation British heritage or immigrants of, there was a lot of that that could get played on the radio

that the Americans just didn't understand. The Cure and the Smiths are two bands that really stand out for me that Canada got and the U S were going, what is this shit? Right. Right. By the way, earlier, you're talking about the, did CFNY play this? And I know earlier than that, we talked about schools out and one hour artists that was all over schools out was Gowan. And of course the would cf and y play that that all stems from the stew stone uh memory of cf and y playing gowan post grunge

and i'm just here to say there's no chance cf and y was playing gowan post grunge yeah i i know we did get alan cross to confirm that cf and y played a song called Standing on My Own Two Feet, which we all love Alan. I think he's mistaken on that. I don't think CFNY played 90s Gowan, which also remember he sort of got mature and went by Lawrence

Gowan. Of course. And now he's in Styx, right? Yeah. Oh, he must be making like shitloads of money in that gig. Oh, he did. His career was good in the 80s. I mean, he rode that new wave sort of line, but he got played on cue and probably a couple of the other stations as well.

So, I mean, good for Lawrence Gowan. I mean, good for him. I mean, he's a strange animal, but, you know, the career has been pretty good. In a criminal mind okay you two went with scotland so i'm going to bring it closer to home particularly uh closer to where brother bill is right now We're on We're on You're on your own

And meet a friend Who doesn't kill But wounds for life The sun blinds you through the trees While watching clues fall from the skies And she smiles At the point of the knife You never see anyone

How the strong will survive At the end of the gun We run Way to run Not to be confused with Flock of Seagulls of Gordep there. This is We Run. Strange Advance. Strange Advance.

That's correct, my friend. I was a pillar of Canadian content on CFNY in the 1980s. That song, We Run, had a couple of other minor hits as well, but that song was a big song on our radio station in the 1980s. Not that I was there then, because I wasn't, but as a listener, I remember hearing that. I see what you did there, brother. You weren't there. I wasn't there. No there i wasn't there no i wasn't there um but i remember there's a bunch of live reel-to-reels kicking around the world um and there was a strange

advanced concert from the forum from the 1980s which i remember listening to and thinking these guys are pro like a lot of the vancouver new wave synth bands at the time just seemed so ahead of the eastern bands as far as the quality of musicianship really because we had blue peter shows that because i've had a lot of for obvious reasons in some but before there were sad reasons to have them on my mind i've had blue peter on my mind uh as you guys know and blue peter and then of course we talked about Chalk Circle. And then again, I've got to share the fun fact that Christopher Ward,

the first VJ, is going to kick out the jams, like, literally like, days after Chris Ward makes his appearance. And Chris Ward, of course, is the other founder of Blue Peter. But I digress. So, to me, I lump Strange Advance in that.

This bucket of CanCon. I'll just say this song is so influenced by David Bowie. Like the vocals. Neil, I'm trying to think who are the other synthy West Coast bands? Because I think of the other Canadian New Wave bands.

I think of Spoons, Mark and the Muffins. I guess Paola's were West Coast. These guys, Strange Advance. What were their other songs? Worlds Apart or Worlds Away? Boy, you got me.

Well, they had a song that was more guitar-oriented, Love Becomes Electric. Oh, boy. Your memory's better than mine when it comes to them. So, they had a song that was more guitar-oriented, Love Becomes Electric. Oh, boy. Your memory's better than mine when it comes to them. So Vancouver had quite a scene for industrial and new wave music in the 1980s. One of the big bands was Skinny Puppy in the industrial realm. There was a band called Mauve, which featured a guy who started a label in Vancouver called Network Records.

Terry McBride is his name. And Terry McBride put out a lot of music that nobody else would put out. MC 900 Foot Jesus, if you remember, The City Sleeps was a big song in the 1990s. sleeps was a big song in the 1990s um sarah mclaughlin was signed to network records in her early days before she went you know right worldwide sensation uh albeit i wouldn't say her first album is a new wave album by any means uh but anyway mauve and strange advance and skinny puppy and boy i'm just i'm trying to think deeper down the rabbit hole about some of the other... Oh, Images in Vogue, of course, from Vancouver. Yeah, they had quite a scene here of electronic and industrial music kind of running neck and neck, if you will,

with some of the punk rock that was happening out here at the time, a la DOA and that kind of stuff, albeit DOA was 70s. So Vancouver has always had this incredible music scene but it's always been a little more underground I think than say Toronto a lot of the eastern bands because of the labels where they were and frankly it surprises me because Vancouver never had radio support the The only way these kids out here heard this kind of music was through Much Music. And even before that, there was a station called Coast that David Marsden started here in Vancouver. Right. It was an AM station that started in

Langley and then ended up downtown. And just, you know, you can't make money on the AM dial playing alternative hits. But they didn't really have any music to listen to yet a lot of the music that i remember coming out to vancouver in the 1990s and hearing music i'd never heard before from a lot of west coast bands and stuff because it just it was the old school way of just playing tapes and albums for people and saying check this out i feel like uhes of Wrath, they were one of the first network. They were on network. They were from Kelowna. Yeah, they were on network as well.

Complete aside, I was kind of weird. Remember they changed their name to Ginger? Ginger. In the 90s. And they put out a song called, I think it's Everything You're Missing or Everything You're Something. And it was weird because they were so established,

Grapes of Wrath, and then all of a sudden, maybe Ginger was technically a different band. But anyway. I think Kevin Kane, was it Kevin Kane who was in the Grapes of Wrath, had left. And so the bass player's name was escaping me. Tom. Tom Hooper.

Tom Hooper. Yeah. He and somebody else, maybe it was Kevin and the drummer, I can't remember, but somebody left and they had to change their name. Like a reconfigured thing. Yeah. Oh, I was going to say, I'll spit out a couple of quick Strange Advance fun facts, if you will,

just before we move on real quick. So, of course, we mentioned this is a... Great hair. Strange Advance had great 80s hair. I remember that. For sure. Great hair. Strange Advance had great 80s hair. I remember that. For sure, for sure. So, of course, you mentioned Vancouver Band formed in 1982. They were nominated for a 1983 Juno Award

as Most Promising Group of the Year. And again, they were nominated for another Juno in 1985 as Group of the Year. The song that we just heard, We Run, that was written and produced by Drew Arnott. And the big, the interesting thing about the band name is they were initially known as Metropolis. So they were Metropolis

and then they learned there's a German band of course. There's a German band using that name and then they went with Strange Advance. But We Run, that's a big jam and I always loved that song and it's went with Strange Advance. But We Run, that's a big jam and I always love that song and it's New Wave, damn it!

It's definitely New Wave. Yeah, a thousand percent New Wave. What did Images and Vogue sing? I'm going to assume maybe they won't come up. I'm trying to remember what their songs were. Why don't you stay tuned, Cam? Oh, okay. Are you ready for your second second jam cam yeah for sure I need to find myself

In love with you If I could find my reason I'd pay to lose One half, one two I'll ask myself How much do you love Commit yourself It's my life

Don't you forget It's my life It's my life It's my life It's my life Yeah, good choice. Yeah, so we got the band Talk. Talk. The name of this song is It's My Life.

What? No Doubt didn't write this? No, there was a version before No Doubt. I had no idea. Cam, this is the kind of song where I don't know about you, but I get nostalgia overload. It almost shorts out my circuits. A lot of these jams today. Yeah, I just think of an old-fashioned operator

plugging in all the different elements of what is New Wave and what is kind of a great 80s tune. And this ticks a lot of boxes um we'll talk about talk talk a second i will say i'd be curious in history are there two bands that got mixed up more than talk talk and the the um i i to this day like gun to my head I might fuck that up other bands that have like double names we had controller controller right Duran Duran was on the list

liquid liquid that was kind of a someone mentioned like no wave I think they were like a no wave band have in the New York scene with like Lydia lunch and stuff and then well I did think of like da da but i think that was like one word um i've got the band remember this band they were like three exclamation marks

like they had this song me and uh do that again cam wow it was like the you know like yeah it was like the african character you know question mark but that band they had a song in the early 2000s me and julianne down by the schoolyard do you remember they were kind of like julianne okay because paul simon was julio that's right yeah um anyway talk talk mike i i don't know if you can i feel like sadly last time you might have played this song was when mark ho Hollis passed away in 2019. Right. I actually thought it was more recent. So it's been, I mean, over two years that he left us.

Kind of eccentric. I feel like Bill's going to have some thoughts about... I feel like I'll call you Neil and Bill. You know what? Take Neil and just shove that aside because i don't know this neil guy this is brother bill we're talking to here this is like stacy and caitlin i just want to say uh so call me stacy or caitlin i did slip and call pat mastroani i did slip and call him joey a couple of times but i was so conscious of the fact that this woman's name

is stacy i don't think i fucked up once. No, you did great. Thank you so much. I just want to say that Double D, who's tuned in from Quebec, the great province of Quebec, he says his kids love that song because of the remix and the early aughts.

Yeah, well, this song's been put out a few times, and then you'll mention also famously no doubt covered this in 2003 a song that actually was a number one hit in poland and in the czech republic the no doubt version um and and a top 10 hit for no doubt in the u.s the talk talk version only went to number 31 in the u.s so you know good size hit but uh not top of the charts a couple other fun facts about the album that this came from also called it's my life was produced by a fella named tim freeze green who as a producer

had a nice bridge into the 90s because he produced a couple albums that may have sort of fit on the Britpop episode but maybe not. One was Sweetness and Light by Lush and another one a big CFNY favorite, Ferment by the Catherine Wheel. Last episode, well we did

Baseball Jams, Mike. Stu made like a really shitty lame pick in my opinion yeah dire straits walk of life it has sports bloopers in it well i mean if you remember the video for it's my life by uh talk talk a lot of like nature footage animals yeah yeah like kind of like flamingos and then sort of like all this stuff you know they come right perhaps purchased from uh pbs inter from PBS interspliced with the photos of Mark Hollis, the singer, kind of looking morose walking around the London Zoo, kind of a famous video. And then Talk Talk, I think had about four or five albums. Their last one was 1991 Laughingstock. That was like a huge departure, but a really interesting album that really was almost closer to what became

post-rock with bands like Tortoise and one of my favorite bands, Mogwai. I think that album was influenced on them, but yeah, really fascinating band for a band that had like a massive hit that no doubt ended up covering. Mark Hollis was a very interesting dude. Which made the millionaires,

which took care of them for the rest of their life. And you mentioned how Mark died in 2019. You know, it's funny. I don't know too much about Talk Talk. I remember they played with the psychedelic furs at Maple Leaf Gardens in the 1980s. It was a big show at that time. The psychedelic furs with the headliners.

Talk Talk played Kingswood Music Theater as well. Maybe actually, maybe that time the psychedelic furs with the headliners talk talk played kingswood music theater as well um maybe actually maybe that was the show anyway but but i remember seeing the band and thinking these guys do not look like the guys that would make the kind of music that talk talk make if that makes sense to you they were just normal looking kind of people you went to high school with that really never dressed you know kind of never dressed any differently than anybody else. Like no image. No, no image at all. They just kind of looked like these normal people and Mark Hollis, they kind of messed his hair up a little bit, put a little makeup on him.

But other than that, you know, I don't know too much about them. Other than talk, talk was a big song. I remember that life's what you make. It was a huge song. And they had one other monster song too that CFNY played. And it's not registering in my head right now, but definitely one of the bigger bands out of the UK in the 1980s when you're having a conversation about CFNY and what they played. Talk Talk would definitely be way up the list. You can always give this zoom link to Ivor, by the way, you know,

that every time you come on, you can invite Ivor. Ivor is always in a meeting. He always tells me I'm in a meeting. I'm in a meeting. I'm like, all right. Awesome. The yeah, that, that, that fucking jam just, just does it for me. Like if I hear that song, I'm back in the, the early eighties, I'm a young boy and it's just wild time machine. So good, good choices.

Before we leave talk, talk and controller controller and Duran, well, maybe not Duran Duran. Here's, here's my latest edition of this type of question. Neil, the song by the,

the dogs of lust. Right. That was a CFNY jam right? huge 90s 91 92 yeah exactly they were one of those bands The The were one of those bands quickly that were able to kind of transform from the 80s to the 90s briefly and I

remember their singer Matt Johnson just screaming bloody murder at their record label rep when he had come in to promote that album I don't know why he was yelling at Chris Tripodi but he was screaming at him and I thought you know probably not the best thing to do to scream at your industry rep right in front of your fans as they're looking for autographs because we had the outdoor studio it was a dumb move on his part and I was a little disappointed. I was going to say, when you're like 15 years

into your career, I mean, you're... True. There's a band called Nirvana all over the radio and you're lucky you're getting 12 spins a week. Hey, brother, Canada Kev says that Shriekback opened for Simple Minds in 1985.

1985 in Toronto. Shriekback opened for who? Simple Minds. They say Nemesis, right? Yeah, they're from Australia. Did Simple Minds, maybe Canada Kev would know if Simple Minds opened for U2 at Massey Hall.

Look into it, Canada Kev. There was two U2 shows at Massey Hall in the 80s. One, The Water Boys opened up, and either The Alarm or Simple Minds opened up the second one. I'm not sure. All good selections. Back-to-back, different years.

Is U2 new wave? Early stuff, I'd say until about The Joshua Tree, yeah, and then after that. I mean, but they were a staple on CFNY throughout the 80s and even into the 90s as well. U2 didn't stop getting airplay until after Beautiful Day. That was pretty much, and that was what, 2001 was Beautiful Day? 2001 or 2 or something?

Yeah, something like that. So they were there throughout the 90s too, U2 for sure. Brother, are you ready for your second jam? Yes, sir. brother are you ready for your second jam yes sir Trying to act casual Can't stop I might end up in the hospital Changing my shape I feel like an accident They're back

To explain their experience If only it was you I'm sorry to me Wasting away I'm wasting policy I'm ready to leave I'm so glad you're kicking this one out, brother. You know, you cannot talk new wave and not talk about the talking heads. That's just, it would be,

the show would be incomplete without playing David Byrne and talking heads. I don't think, I don't think there's anybody, even if you don't know that song, listening to that voice, you know, right away that it's Talking Heads. Indeed. David Byrne has one of those voices that's so distinct that it doesn't matter what he's doing.

You know it's him. He could try and hide it, but it wouldn't work. So that's Talking Heads from 1980 in an album called Remain in Light. And it's a song called Cross-Eyed and Painless. Now, that was the first single to be released from that album. I think the second single, probably, if you're old enough,

you'd remember, it's called Once in a Lifetime. You may ask yourself, what am I doing? And the video obviously made them for that. And that Nick Nolte movie, what was that? Down and Out in Beverly Hills? That's right, yeah. It was all over that. Yeah, that's And that Nick Nolte movie. What was that? Down and Out in Beverly Hills? That's right. Yeah. It was all over that.

Yeah, that's right. But it was the video. That was the... But that... Once in a lifetime. Talking Heads weren't getting any commercial airplay whatsoever until Once in a Lifetime when MTV started playing it and Much Music started playing it. And it's one of the top, I think, 10 videos of the 80s, they call it, which is no surprise.

But David Byrne on vocals, Tina Weymouth on bass. Again, I go back to the conversation about bass players. In the 80s, they had the best bass players who could write the riffs. The guy from Simple Minds, the guy from Big Country, Adam Clayton at U2, Tina Weymouth. It's not fancy John Taylor, Duran Duran all over the place or level Mark King from level 42 kind of playing. But it's just that solid groove, dance groove. And the low end is just covered so well in a song like that. Chris France, who's married to Tina Weymouth on drums and Jerry Harrison on keyboards, formed in New York City in 75.

And an interesting story about these guys. Their very first show was June 5th, 1977 opening up for, or 75, sorry, opening up for any idea CBGBs in New York city. The Ramones.

Yeah. You're both right. The Ramones. Yeah. They were part of that CBGBs crowd along with Blondie, the Ramones talking heads, You're both right. The Ramones. Yeah, they were part of that CBGB's crowd, along with Blondie, the Ramones, Talking Heads, etc., etc. Their debut album, 77, their second album called More Songs About Buildings and Food for 78,

was produced by Brian Eno. That's a name that probably rings a bell. U2, Coldplay, Depeche Mode, Roxy Music. Tina and Chris Franz had a little side project. Do you remember what they were called, Cam? The Tom Tom Club. I cannot get anything by you today. No, they were possibly on my list.

Later famously sampled by Mariah Carey. This is what I was going to say. Mariah Carey sampled a song that they did. And it was called, what was it called, Cam? Do you remember? I think it was called Fantasy. Was it? That was Mariah Carey's version of it.

No, Genius of Love was the name of the song. Oh, Genius of Love, of course. Yeah. Yeah. And then Mariah Carey sampled it. And, you know, Mariah Carey sampling your song, you're pretty much set for life. You get paid.

But one thing I wanted to mention as well is that Tina and Chris, after, I think, the third or fourth album from Talking Heads, because they were around from 75 to 91, they ended up moving to the Bahamas and they bought this, or they rented this condo or apartment that was right above a studio in the Bahamas known as Compass Point.

And Compass Point was owned by Chris Blackwell, who I'm sure wasn't Chris Blackwood, Chris Blackwell, who owned Island Records. He's basically the guy that discovered Bob Marley. who owned Island Records. He's basically the guy that discovered Bob Marley. And I wanted to mention that studio because Talking Heads recorded half of this album, Remain in Light, at that studio. But there's been a couple of other albums that were recorded there.

One huge heavy metal album and one Canadian band recorded down there as well. Any ideas? 1980 was the release of the Big Monster metal album. And sorry, not produced by...

This has got to be like Metallica or Bob Rock producing or something. But it's too early for that. I'm going to say... 1980. that. I'm going to say... Yeah, I'm going to say Black Sabbath. Okay. You want to give it a go, Cam? Or are you...

Have we lost Cam there? Cameron, are you there? Cameron Gordon, are you just pretending to be a statue or are you actually frozen here? What was kind of funny is when cam moves around he kind of like looked like david burn from the once in a lifetime video when he's bouncing same as it ever was same as it ever was that was when i was really young that song

seemed to be everywhere uh it was that jam was just it was but i wanted to go with cross-eyed and painless because i just think the groove's better i and if you watch a movie oh and from 1982 called remain in light with talking heads it's amazing so this is while we wait for cam to figure out he's frozen he's gonna reconnect uh thank you for playing talking heads because there's a great fotm his name his name is johnny o not john all the route okay but johnny o johnny o basically O'Mazzy, not John Osborne. Right. Johnny O. basically, I think he threatened to turn in his FOTM badge

if we did not play any talking heads tonight. And the reason I don't want to piss off him, for two reasons. One is, Johnny O., I got to meet him at TMLX6, which was in a park last September, and he seems like a good dude. But secondly, I just filed a park last September, and he seems like a good dude. But secondly,

I just filed my taxes this week and Johnny O works for the CRA, and I don't want to fucking audit. So basically, thank you for playing Talking Heads. So did anybody online listening or viewing as

we look at Cam and his best David Byrne impression? He's frozen again. I know, but he looks best David Byrne impression. He's frozen again. I know, but he looks like David Byrne. Can we look at this for a moment? Handsome man, right? Don't you wish you looked like Cam Gordon? Yeah, he's got the good chin bone structure, cheekbones and everything.

What are you talking about? I've got 19 chins, Mike. The two of you have more bone structure between you than my whole family does, going back five generations. I'm just, you're a good looking guy too. But I mean, neither of us look like we could be a model. I feel like Cam could actually be a male model. And he's like six foot three or something or six foot four. Yeah, okay.

Six foot five. okay six foot five see he'll never hear this because who listens to an episode they're on right so i feel like this is thing exactly so so i want to wait for cam to come back but i'm just wondering if anybody's guest who's watching us anybody who's left um did they throw in any guesses about what the big heavy metal album was recorded at compass point studios in the Bahamas in 1980 or 1979. It would have been recorded. It's going to be back in black. It's going to be back in black.

You're right. That's the big album that was recorded there. But there was a Canadian band that recorded an album there, too. And that Canadian band, I don't know if anybody knows the name, but I'll throw it out there anyway. It was an album they put out in 2002. It was called In Violet Light. Oh, I never heard of them.

I got Jake Gold on the line. He wants to talk about it. That was a mic drop there. Did you hear that? That mic drop? Yeah, the Tragically Hip recorded their album In Violet Light there as well. Wow.

But back to talking heads quickly inducted into the rock and roll hall of fame in 2002 uh and one little quiz question for you one more there was a uk band from the 90s that took their name from a talking head song any idea what band that would be and they were big 90s band oh out of the uk i like this question give me a moment here unless cam knows that he can blurt it out. I know it. I'm going to see if Mike can guess. No, no. Now I don't even want to think on it. I don't want to waste these brain cells.

Just spill it out. By the way, are we in real time? My wife and I went out for like two minutes. What year do you think it is, Cam? I don't know. Time is like an abstract. We've been on so long. Oh, by the way,

Beck must like what she's hearing because she put four, not three, but four hearts into the live chat. So I feel that's a... And Andrew Ward guessed Back in Black, but after I said it.

So Andrew Ward gets no credit there. Okay. So wait a minute, though. So the album was called True Stories. Talking Heads had a song on it that was named after

a very successful 90s band. Cam, give us the answer. And it always bothered me because on that album, it was two words. But this band is a one-word band. It was the band Radiohead. Oh, yes. Radiohead. Of course.

What other comment about Tina Weymouth and Chris Franz living in, where is it? The Bahamas? Bahamas, yeah. I feel like it was their studio the last, well I guess I think they've subsequently had albums, but the last album before they originally broke up by the Happy Mondays was recorded there and was like a famous recording

disaster with just all sorts of debauchery. Yeah, like a lot of I feel like Sean Ryder and like Bez were like detoxinging but then got into you know whatever crack cocaine yeah um and their vocals never got any vocals done they went back to the uk the label said where's the album they played some music they said okay where's the vocals sean rider said uh didn't get around to it yeah is it weird that i kind of like that album though is i think it was yes please was the name of the album. Was that?

Oh, can I take us on a weird tangent before we come? It's great when you're straight. Yeah, I remember. Was that the song? Sorry. I think that was the Black Grape album. Was it not? Okay, quick tangent because that's what we do on this show, brother.

But quick tangent. You mentioned, is it okay that I like this album? Whatever the hell you said. I don't hate, and I just want to put this on the record. Maybe I'll play a bit of this jam and then we'll talk about it. This is not New Wave. I will preface it by saying that. But this song here. So do you guys know what I'm playing here? No, what is that?

Alright, I'll give it a bit more here. Hold on. No, what is that? All right, I'll give it a bit more here. Hold on. Okay. So you know what I'm playing here. Easy Sleazy, Mick Jagger, and yeah, it's pretty fresh. Dave Grohl's on this track, too.

Yeah, okay. It's a fresh something. Okay. I'm hearing the snark everywhere like junk song garbage song but i i keep waiting for myself i want to jump on the bandwagon and hate it but i actually don't hate it does that mean i just have bad musical taste like what is that no means you have your own musical taste that's totally fine but that's i'm surprised i like the last couple of releases the stones put out and obviously i love what what Dave Grohl does but that's a big flaming heap of caca to me

and Cam I take it you agree with Brother Bill because you're a man of great taste speaking of Mick Jagger again I apologize I have wifi issues again so I sort of missed but yeah that song sucks but one final fun fact about David Byrne I feel like this is a

1236 alright let me kill the mcjagger here go ahead remember he compiled that list of uh famous people who spent part of their life in canada where david burn like was lived in hamilton ontario for a while am i why does that sound why does that sound right that sounds right i don't know why i think wisebloods told me this i feel like he moved around a lot yeah i think he's told me this right back here quite possibly yeah and you know what you know quickly i have to mention this guys because it's a special day um we record this the day before friday uh today is the 20th anniversary of the death of joey ramone oh so i just wanted to mention that he would have been 20 around 69 years old yeah he died in 2001 now

brother am i right are all the ramones gone now all of them except for cj who was the replacement so the original ramones yes they're all that all. That's unbelievable, isn't it? It's as if like they, as if they rehearsed by some kind of like uranium mine or something like this is just an incredible that they could all be gone. Like, have you ever played? I think the track was called Funky Man by Didi King. Yeah.

The rap song. Yeah. Yeah. Of course. Didi Ramone album. And I have a dream that one day we kick out the rap songs by non-rappers that sort of never should have been.

I've been wanting to do it for a while. Sometimes look up if you've never heard it before. Original Rapper by Lou Reed. Yeah, that's bad too. Not a great song. Not a great song. Okay, so I'm going to play. I'm going to kick out my second jam just so we're not here all night but here's number two for me

i got a bone to pick with you Not so friendly, boys in blue When you come out of the station and into the street Everybody beats a hasty retreat Well, it was late one Friday, I'm a little bit wrecked You're on your way to serve and protect You buzz out of a cruiser like bees from a hive And ask me if I want to go for a drive Go for a drive

That's why I'm riding on the Cherry Beach Express My ribs are broken and my face is in a mess And I hate all my statements and address 52 Division, handcuffed to a chair So yes, I'm taking it to Toronto here. So straight from Vancouver with my first jam, here's Toronto. And this, of course course is the, uh, Cherry Beach Express Pika Orchestra. And there,

of course, there, of course, a new wave band here from Toronto. And this song is kind of, maybe you heard this episode cam, but, uh,

Michael Barclay dropped by on Canada day in my backyard. Do you remember this at all? Yeah. Yeah. Like it was like, was it Toronto songs or songs about Canada? Toronto songs. He kicked out Toronto songs.

He kicks this out and he starts talking about the... I gotta say, I knew the song, but I never appreciated the sentiment, the message in the song until Michael was explaining it all. Of course, this is a heavy-duty song and really appropriate And of course, this is a heavy duty song

and really appropriate for these times because this is about basically the Toronto lore that the cops, the TPS, the Toronto police would use Cherry Beach as a place to beat suspects. Like they would literally beat on suspects on Cherry Beach. And you hear it all in the song. Like this is just, it's just telling the story and it's a real cool toronto jam and it's a good new wave new wave jam as well you know it's another song kind of like

that that talks about like a toronto news item i don't know if you've ever heard either of you guys have heard this song uh shoeshine boy by the curse see i don't know the song but i know the story this is the i know this infamous story. Yeah, Emmanuel, I think, was the little kid's name. Emmanuel Lewis? Not Webster. No, this was like an actual shoeshine boy who I think was also perhaps an underage sex worker who got murdered

on Yonge Street. Well, they say this is when Toronto lost its innocence. This is sort of an infamous... Yeah, exactly, late 70s. Yeah, exactly. Late 70s. But the Toronto punk band The Curse wrote a song about it, but sort of similar to Cherry Beach Express here by the

Puka Orchestra. Big fan of the Puka Orchestra was, of course, Borge Salming. It's the Puka Orchestra, guys. I just heard that and went, I think I'm going to drop Borge-Salming.

But just for the record, Cam fucked it up too, right? I did. I think I started it. Honestly, you don't know how we leave them because I fuck all these names up. It's like Snake dropping the F-bomb first. Nobody remembers that. It was Caitlin's F-bomb we all remember. She was defensive

about that. He did it first. But okay. Pucka Orchestra. We're too young. The subject though was good. Sorry, the Shoeshine Boy was not Okay, the Shoeshine Boy was not He was a Shoeshine Boy and the rape and murder is

We're playing to the stereotypes, Cam. Assuming all Shoeshine Boys were sex workers. When I read about it, they speak of it as that's when Toronto lost its innocence. Like this is sort of how they frame that thing. So I don't know if we ever had innocence. This was a true story, that Puck Orchestra song, though. I had a friend who was actually in the punk scene

who was taken by the police, allegedly, and driven down to Cherry Beach and had the crap beaten out of him. Then they left him there in the middle of winter. It was like minus 30 outside. I had to walk home in just a leather jacket and no shoes or something like that. And I think they picked on,

they would, as typically of the time, they would pick on homosexuals, for example. And this is some awful shit that was going down. And this song brings it to light. You know, the best disinfectant is sunlight. I don't know if you guys know that. So shining a light on the shit when Pucca Orchestra, as I like to refer to them now as,

now, can you, I know you guys know this, I'm really talking to people who know this easily, but their other top, their big top 40 hit, of course, is Listen to the Radio. And you guys know who wrote Listen to the radio and you guys know uh who wrote listen to the radio don't you well i i think i think it was written by tom robinson though famously also covered by peter gabriel i think i think it's the other way around was it the other way i think uh i think uh peter gabriel wrote it and Tom Robinson recorded it. Yeah.

And then Tom Robinson did it. That's right. I totally forgot that. Wow. Yeah. It was in, so 1984, the album's called the War Baby, Hope and Glory.

That's the Tom Robinson album. And listen to the radio is on there. Peter Gabriel joint. And then like a year later, or maybe later that same year, I don't know. They don't, they didn't wait much,

much time back then between, you know, covering a song, like at least no doubt waited a good chunk of years, you know, but it's like the same year. I don't know. They don't, they didn't wait much time back then between, you know, covering a song. Like at least No Doubt waited a good chunk of years, you know, but it's like the same year they had a hit with it in Canada.

I feel like it's almost like a 50s thing where like there'd be like, you know, just regional artists performing versions of like songs. I always loved that song, Listen to a Radio,

like a real sort of like slinky vibe. But how old were you when you learned it was a cover? Because I was really old. Oh, fuck. I didn't even know that song probably till i was like 20 so like not nine to the 90s like well after yeah there's another yeah go ahead there's a sorry mike there's another song that resonates with me as well and i wanted to drop some props and drop a name to a guy that i wish you maybe would have in some time. His name is Leon Stevenson, and he was in a band called The Extras.

And The Extras had a big song called Circular Impression. Of course. Which was kind of a funny, common, ha-ha kind of song about using a condom back in the 80s, CFY played. But they had a great song called I Can't Stand Still, which was a great song, sort of the same kind of flow to it as Cherry Beach Express has or listen to the radio has rather.

And Leon went on to become the primary guy in a band called Industrial Arts who were an industrial band from the 80s. And he's been intertwined with the Spoons for a long time as well. A guy that perhaps you'd, you you know if you're ever looking for content you'd want to talk to this guy i'm always looking for good content for sure so yeah like leon stevenson his name is i'll get my

19 year old is studying for he's got a big test on uh saturday when did they start doing tests on saturday because my boy gets a lot of saturday. I never had any Saturday tests. That's intense. I know. So he's studying right now. It's economics I think. And that! No, I can't do that. That's too early. But if I got him, I'm just saying, he would tell you how often he's heard me say, I got a robber in my wallet and left a circular impression.

Like this is one of my things. It's a good father son. That's what he's going to remember at his wedding. He needs that lesson. Michael'll get up there and recite the song at that his son's wedding quick fun by the way uh mike who was it who shared i feel like it might have been uh does it really matter andrew ward or something that that album that now this is what i call dad rock i can't remember who it was but yeah yeah, dad rock. Right. Which I just love. Like one of the songs on fucking dad rock was like Roxy music.

Love is the drug. Like, sure. How about you get like my dad, like bouncing me on his knee, like saying dad rock is the drug. And I need to score. Like even,

even in my own household right now. Okay. So there's a five-year-old and there's a 19 year old, the typical dad for the kids that are in my kindergarten class with the five-year-old like they're all like like i i think they're like new and in sync or new you know in sync would be sort of the dad not dad would be like mom rock i guess but meanwhile then then you take the 19-year-old and i'm actually a young dad for kids his age and a lot of those dads it would be more like it'd be like death cab for cutie no like b bachman turner overdrive oh god oh you live all right it's all over the place okay not mimico

by the way but if anyone listening new toronto if anyone's considering a move to mimico where all the cool kids are i highly recommend mimico mike mimico mike is the guy to talk to he's been ripping up this is where stew stone says he's. He's been ripping up. This is where Stu Stone says he's ripping up. He's ripping up the Mimico real estate scene and you can learn more at realestatelove.ca. Quick fun fact about Pucca Orchestra. I'm going to fix it

in post so it'll sound like Cam and I. I'll keep Cam's mistake and I'll fix it. My gimmick. That's my gimmick for real. Okay. So quick fun fact because I like to talk

about the Caspies and shit is that they won a Casby in 1985. There you go. So I don't know what they won it for but yeah, they were,

as you know. Best song about cops beating people. It's a great jam and Michael Barkley, again, he's the one who kind of helped me

understand like the history behind it and ever since then when I hear cherry beach express it sounds better knowing how what they're fucking shedding shining light on like that's to me the story it's sort of like that's sort of part of the the package here did you guys know the the feminist punk band fifth column from toronto yes because they they had a song and I mean, you know, pre-internet, they were sort of one of those bands it was kind of hard to find their music. I probably knew of them

but had never heard their song. But I knew they had a song called the Fairview Mall Incident. And I grew up near the Fairview Mall in Toronto. This is very exciting. And I learned later, I think it's a different Fairview Mall. It's like when someone was talking about the Galleria Mall, they were going to the Galleria Mall this is very exciting. And I learned later, I think it's a different Fairview Mall. Oh. So I got kind of sad. It's like when someone was talking

about the Galleria Mall, they were going to the Galleria Mall on the weekend. And I'm like, okay, what's the big deal? Like I work there. And then they told me it was in Buffalo. Oh, like the Walden Gallery.

Yeah, I guess there's a Galleria Mall in Buffalo. That's very popular. Sorry, not to bring down the mood. I feel like we lost someone from Paco Orchestra like recently too. I feel like we talked about, or you and you and 1236. I have to check the historical archives to remind myself,

but we are losing. I think we're have an age where we're starting to lose some of the bands we grew up with. We know. Talk about a lot of good folks today. Well, yeah. Great tunes though. Yeah.

Great tunes. In fact, here's the third jam. There always was a little bit of misery surrounding New Wave as well. Wallowing in thy misery kind of thing. Right. Third jam for Cam. Sous-titrage ST' 501 Devenir encore une. Devenir encore une. Sitting by his side Two eyes staring cold in silence Showed me a ready time to die We fight to cry

We fight to cry Hey, Fate to Gray, the band is Visage. Wow, what a new wave-ish sound. What a cam jam. This is a prototypical cam jam. Did you have an older brother that was into the Blitz movement? Because that's what they used to call Blitz.

What is Blitz? It's like an offshoot of New Romantic, which started with Duran Duran and then went really sort of keyboard heavy, underground, club sort of sound. And that's Visage.

We're right in there. Yeah. I mean, this song to me almost seems almost like what a parody of this sort of music would be because it's so on the nose, like all the trapping. I've always kind of loved this song. But man, like what they're going all out and definitely, uh, sort of, I meant visage, you know, I think does get locked in with new romantic bands, like the aforementioned Spandau ballet,

uh, I guess early Duran Duran, Ultravox, who maybe we'll come back to, um, and then Boy George and, and what became Culture Club. Um,

this song was like a big hit right across europe sounds very european went to number one in switzerland and germany top five in us it says australia it's probably austria austria denmark france uh number eight in their native uk uh this song not french not french no although they they bring in some some French vocals there. The history of this band is a little confusing. A lot of people passed through it. This song, Fade to Gray, was originally written as an instrumental. That was by these two guys, Billy Curry and Chris Payne, who came up with the bones of the song,

partially as something they would sound check when they were on tour with Gary Newman. That sounds right. Yeah, who I don't think we've talked about, but I could see him coming up later for a 1979 tour. I don't know if that was the pleasure principle, but the consistent

element of Visage through the years was a guy named Steve Strange. Who was in what band? He was in another band, wasn't he? Steve Strange? Was he in Su band? He was in another band. Was he in Susie and the Banshees? No, I think I'm wrong. Well, you're close. There was another guy, Barry Adamson,

who was in this band, no related to Stuart Adamson. Barry Adamson was in Magazine. Oh, okay. And later would join Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds, which is certainly not New Wave, but the lyrics to Fade to Grey were actually written by, and I've never understood

how to say this guy's name, Midge Ury, the Ultravox guy? And that's the guy with Bob Geldof who started all the charity action with Do They Know It's Christmas and everything, right? Live Aid with Midge Ury. Well, Live Aid and the charity uh action with uh do they know it's christmas and everything right and live with

mid-year live aid well live aid in the do you know it's christmas i think do you know it's christmas was written by mid-year that's right yeah um this song's been released multiple times over multiple years dance remixes um most recently in 2016 there was an orchestral version that actually went to the top five in Australia and Switzerland. So, you know, Visage as a band was, again, sort of a one-hit wonder, but they really sort of milked this song for all it's worth. And I don't know, I've always thought it's a great song, so I'm okay with that. At this point, 57 weeks into this, I feel I know you pretty well. And I know you love uh for

example uh enigmas uh sodness is that how i say it sodness uh sodness right this song and that song are like twins like they they have that same little french part that same kind of like atmosphere i feel like they're yeah similar yeah i could i could see that even um i feel like in a more commercial bent like this song always remind me of like almost like brian ferry's solo work because you have sort of the shantos come in and it's it's it's just kind of a lot going on um quick aside about brian ferry i know he came up as sort of uh number two on uh don't you forget about me um you guys have seen ferris bueller's Day Off, right?

Only a hundred times. Yeah, like I've seen this reference a few places. I always do think it's funny. Like in his bedroom, there's a giant Brian Ferry poster for the album or the track, maybe Slave to Love, which I get these sort of crosses over

like on the new, just like a teenage boy having a giant Brian Ferry poster of his bed. I'm not sure that happened. Different times. Different times, I guess. So that kind of stuff, Cam, like the Visage and the Ultravox, the bands like that, they were kind of like the sort of CFNY in the 80s

would kind of go to those bands when they needed to really sound different than any other radio station within the market and probably within the country as well because i don't think anybody else was playing ultravox and and uh spear of destiny comes to mind um what did you call them again like the the term for those? Blitz. So Blitz, maybe I'm off. It's New Romantic and Blitz. So Duran Duran were sort of the kings of the Blitz movement in London when they came out with Planet Earth and Girls on Film. And then it sort of went a little commercialized.

Obviously, Duran Duran became a pop band, essentially. And then there was that other sort of movement, the underground movement that stayed there. And I think they changed that name to Blitz. I could be wrong. I'm just, it's what's in my head. But based on the new romantic scene, for sure. I mean, I'm trying to think, you know,

because there's so many sub-genres involved in New Wave. I mean mean i'm trying to think you know because there's so many sub genres involved in new wave i mean we haven't gone you know we haven't played bow house or any of those bands because they were kind of the dark wave isn't that like more goth or am i out to lunch here goth yeah goth and the industrial scene kind of is from that kind of new which are other post-punk if you're if you're drawing a graph right like if you're doing a what do they call those those things where you put like new wave at the top and then it has all the fingers going down the tentacles is that a flow chart what is that a flow chart again it's not a game sure so so you go down and then you'd after new wave you'd have to go you know like post-punk goth industrial uh new romantic and just keep going and and then you know blitz would be

under the new romantic tree sort of family tree or be on the under the new romantic thing that's the way i picture it yeah but then like i feel like you'd also get even stuff like rockabilly like the brian or not the straight cats i feel like would sometimes be you know considered a new wave band or and then stuff like you know i don't want to say too many bands because I'm scared we're going to play them. Let's get to the next jam. Let me get the math right. This is the third jam

from Brother Bill. You ready, Brother? Yes, sir. It hits hard No doubt When the truth lies there Like glass So unashamed Unstained I've never lied

Or told the truth. You know, Mike, had I known you were going to play Strange Advance, I would not have chosen that song. I just wanted some Vancouver representation, so that's why I picked Images in Vogue and Lust for Love from Vancouver. Obviously, I'd say from the same sort of probably inspired by the same people Visage was inspired by, sort of that inspired by the same people visage was inspired by sort of that electronic scene coming out of europe the likes of of uh of craft work and even maybe tangerine dream with a little bit of the cure mixed in there touch a community theater because it's all

dramatic but he's doing a bowie right there's a definite theater there's a definite uh definite david bowie uh vibe going on with that those vocals sure images in vogue lust for love uh formed in 1981 in vancouver broke up in 91 re uh dale's had the band going again since 2018. I think he lives in Ontario now. Dale Martindale, the vocalist of the band, he was sort of the face, but the drummer of the band was Kevin Key, who was in Skinny Puppy.

He actually left Images in Vogue when Skinny Puppy started to take off. And that was from an EP they released in 1983. Just a couple of quick ones about them. Maybe a fact that'll blow your mind since we mentioned a certain MuchMusic VGA. We're going to mention another one in a second here. Their 1985 album In the House, their second album

was called Spell. That was basically it. They've released a box set for hardcore fans, all three of them, that live out here in Vancouver. That's been out since 2017, including a show they did in 1982. What I wanted to say was a couple of interesting facts about Images in Vogue. I'm going to tell you a story about going out on the town with Chris Shepard and the members of Images in Vogue in just a second.

But first, any idea? We talked about much music VJs. I got it. You ready? Terry David Mulligan. No, but it's a good guess, given he's from Vancouver. Images and Vogue's manager was none other than

Kim Clark Champness. Oh, KCC. That's wild. Yes, he was. I hope he's doing well, by the way. I hope he's doing okay, too. Yeah. He can't speak. By the way, my sister alleges she was assaulted by KCC. And I say that, I probably shouldn't like, I was going to say I put that in air quotes.

I shouldn't joke about people being assaulted. But she claims, my sister Lindsay Lindsay that in grade school, they went for a tour of the Chum building, and he was coming down the hall, and he pushed her and her friends against the wall. Wow. Yeah. I'm glad you used the A word to keep me out of trouble here, allegedly.

Allegedly. So another thing I wanted to throw by you guys about Images in Vogue is they had a one time member by the name of Tim Welch who was also a member of National Velvet for a while Tim here's the fun fact I can't believe first

of all we've played Puck Orchestra and Images in Vogue before the Smiths and New Order but anyway it would be a Toronto Mike episode Paca Orchestra and Images in Vogue before the Smiths and New Order. But anyway. It would be a Toronto Mike episode. I'm sure there's a few people listening right now who are thinking the exact same thing. These guys are playing Images in Vogue

and Paca Orchestra before the Smiths and New Order. Or even like Blondie or something. Yeah, go ahead. Yeah. Tim Welch had a Toronto, had a Club 102 affiliation. And that is Club 102 with Martin Streak, Saturday nights from the Phoenix.

The guy who did lights in the same booth was Tim Welch. Wow. Whoa. Yeah. Wow. That's cool. And is there any possibility that helping Martin Streak that night might be a young

bob willett is that even a possibility absolutely could have been uh the era i remember with with tim being there when i used to fill in what would have been dj dingra that we dealt with anyway the story i wanted to tell is a story about hanging out with chris shepherd uh one night chris shepherd called me out of the blue this is i, I guess, the late 80s. I just started at CFNY. And Chris called me out of the blue and said, hey, we're going to hang out with Images and Vogue. You into coming downtown and hanging out? I'm like, sure, absolutely. I'm a 21, 22-year-old kid. I'm all excited. I get to hang around with a legendary DJ and some band I've never heard of. And so we ended up going out for dinner and what I remember is we

went to Lee's Palace afterwards for some reason and there was about five of us in total and there was this one guy wearing like this you remember the old like 80s hockey jackets with the different color sleeves part of them were leather some of them were kind of a different material sure they'd have your hockey team on the back of it. He's wearing one of those and he's got like this, you know, strange advanced eighties haircut going sort of a mullet and he's standing by himself and I, and I'd seen him at dinner and I didn't really talk to him. So I went,

I went over and started talking to this guy and we were talking about music and we talked for about half an hour. And I remember him subtly saying to me, Hey, what do you think of skinny puppy? And I mean, if you know me, you know that the two worst Canadian bands of all time are boot sauce and

skinny puppy, like the fucking worst, the absolute worst band. I think he listens. So it'd be just, you know, okay, well,

sorry, man, but your band sucked. Especially out here. Yeah. Can't stand him. And I think I went on a diatribe, had a few drinks in me, and I went on a diatribe for about 10 minutes about how much I hated Skinny Puppy.

Anyway, we moved to the Bovine Sex Club, which I don't know if it's still there on Queen Street West. Sure. Yeah. I think it's still there on queen street west sure yeah i think it's still around yeah okay so anyway we roll down there and we're all hanging around and all of a sudden i get grabbed and spun around and this dude kisses me and i'm like what the heck's going on here and uh just kind of gives me a smile walks away away, and it's Dale Martindale.

Oh, wow. And then I'm thinking to myself, why did he just do that? And then the guy with the jacket on is laughing. So I go over and say, who was that guy? He goes, oh, that's Dale Martindale. He's the singer of our band, Images in Vogue. And I said, oh, okay. And then we kind of paused in the conversation. It was a packed club.

And I'm wrapping this up now. The crowd kind of parts. is give you an idea how big chris shepherd was the crowd parts and here comes chris shepherd through the crowd and he does a beeline to me and this guy and he says hey brother bill have you met kevin key from skinny puppy and i'm like ah shit oh that was the that was the moment that kevin key didn't like brother bill anymore right oh that's wild you never had no idea did they you you sort of express your opinion about the band it sounds like you weren't a fan did they get played a lot on cf CFNY in the 80s and 90s? Yeah, a few songs. Dig It was big.

Assimilate was big. Tester was big. I always remember Shepard would play it on a Friday night. Skinny Peppy in the mix. Up on the flex. The dancer. But that's the only time I remember

hearing Skinny Puppy was the live to airs of Shepard. Yeah, we did play him a little bit, but it would have been evening and overnight rotation because certain songs weren't allowed to be played during the day. They're pretty aggressive. They're fucking horrible. I don't get it.

My buddy Sunil, if he's listening now, he was a massive fan of Skinny Puppy and I'd always look at him like, really? What am I missing? Do you think Boot Sauce is worse? like, really? What am I missing? Do you think boot sauce is worse? Probably, right? Canada's answer to the red hot chili peppers? Canada's answer to a question

nobody asked. I think that's what boot sauce is. Yeah, let's just... I just never liked them. I never liked them and I never liked them as human beings either, to be honest. Oh, wow. So, fuck boot sauce. Fuck boot sauce.

On that note, I love this, Brother Bill, real talk here. So I'm going to just kick out my third jam and then we'll talk about it. Pandemic rage. That's the best rage, the pandemic rage. Boot sauce rage. Bull, that was the name of their album, right? Bull? I feel they had an album called Bull.

You know, new wave business comes from Toronto, Mike. Or Vancouver. Thank you. Extended version of this i was gonna say how long do i have to talk it up before we get vocals uh i think your vinyl is like skipping this is an instrumental version of it this would be good like a rap sample i'm sure people have seen um it's not an instrumental but we'll i will talk it up a little bit here. Of course, you're right. This is a Toronto band, and it is the third song I've kicked out tonight from Canada. Is it an instrumental? I actually can't remember if I like... It might be the album version of it.

I can't remember if I played it before now, but maybe here we get some vocals right now. Okay, so we all know this jam, okay? So this is Echo Beach. It's getting kind of something. You're singing it in your head right now. I can't help it. Okay, so we all know this jam, okay? So this is Echo Beach. You're singing it in your head right now. I can't help it. I'm a romantic fool. It's a habit of mine to watch the sun go down. Here we are.

On Echo Beach, there's not a solo. But I can't help it. I'm a romantic fool. It's a habit of mine to watch the sun go down on echo beach i watch the sun go down from nine to five i have to spend my time at work my job is very boring i'm an office clerk the only thing that helps me pass the time away is knowing i'll be back at echo beach someday So kudos to Cam Brio, who remembers. Maybe Cam, you'll also remember. Cam Gordon, all you Cams will remember.

I'm sure Cam Woolley is listening at home, and he's remembering as well. Do you remember when we played, I think it was a 30th anniversary version of this song? Do you remember this? Like there's a 30th anniversary version of Echo song do you remember this like there's a 30th anniversary version of echo beach like a stripped down version it's like uh slower it's slower and not nearly as good yeah i think i remember that okay i think it was for the 30th anniversary but yeah it's funny i did kick out echo beach and cherry beach as a candidate

have notes here so sorry i walk if i walked all over the vocal there, I apologize. I couldn't hear it through my headphones. No, that's okay. Uh, the zoom fucks up audio and it is interesting how, how, I don't know what version I pulled here,

but that, uh, you could have done like the news, the weather you could have done, uh, you could have done weather and traffic. The Ridley funeraleral Home Memorial section, we could have done waiting for those vocals.

That was like three minutes or something. I have no idea. But this, of course, is Martha and the Muffins. And the song was recorded in 1979. This was written by Mark Gain, and it was from Metro Music. And that did win a Juno. This song won a Juno Award for Single of the Year.

And Cam Gordon, this is key for us. We probably indefinitely mentioned it during our 2.5 hour deep dive into Tears Are Not Enough. But Martha Johnson is on that jam. Of course she is. That was probably during... I imagine they probably switched to Eminem by that point. They did. Black Stations, White Stations, Gimmick.

So they had that, I call that the identity crisis. I think that album was Dance Park, Danse Park, I guess, kind of French or whatever. And they went with Eminem. And just if you're wondering why they went with Martha and the Muffins in the first place, I think here's a quote from Mark Gain. He says,

We decided to use it as a temporary name until we could all agree on something better. Well, that's a famous story for a lot of band names we know and love today that they were going to just use it until they got something better and then they stuck with that for seven years and then they became Eminem. Here's a fun fact. Martha Johnson she actually released songs from the Treehouse, which is a solo children's album. She did that in

1997 and that album actually won the Juno Award for Best Children's Album in 1997 and Watch Your Back, sunshine and broccoli well i was gonna say any uh supplemental penises in the album art there i have not uh seen the album cover it's the map of toronto for no penis no penis well no no dick no dick pic there but uh no no dick no dick pic there but uh no penis is the good i do i do understand uh that penis no cry new wave did not originate in this country like i appreciate that but yeah when i was coming

doing my list of songs like a lot of my favorite new wave songs i mean there were some obvious like of course i could kick out blondie or i could kick out i could kick out elvis costello like there's a lot of this great kind of new wave anthems or whatever. And I kept going back to these jams like this, Martha and the Muffins. Well, this song stands up with anything internationally. It was a big song. It was a big hit.

Yeah, absolutely, Cam. I bought that on 45. I remember buying that. I remember buying High School Confidential by Rough Trade on 45 in the late 70s. The thing that got me that I noticed about the last couple of songs, Mike, actually, you've done three songs now. Every one of these songs talks about something. So Strange Advance We Run is the story of people coming to Vancouver.

It's known as a transient city. People show up here with nothing. They just show up and they either end up on the downtown east side and drug addicted, or they come here like I did for a job. But nobody from Vancouver who lives in Vancouver is from Vancouver, you'll find. And We Run is sort of the story of people coming in from wherever they're from, smaller areas in BC and coming to Vancouver.

That's the story I've been told. Puck Orchestra, obviously the story about the police and abuse and brutality and what they would do. They would take you down to Cherry Beach and beat you up. Echo Beach is the story of escaping to cottage country, specifically to Echo Beach. Did you know there actually is an Echo Beach is the story of escaping to cottage country, specifically to Echo Beach. Did you know there actually is an Echo Beach? I thought it was made up.

No, not as far as I know. Maybe they did, but it's a coincidence. So northwest of, I want to say, Halliburton, there's a place called Echo Beach. And I always assumed that maybe Martha and whoever whoever her partner was they would go up there mark gain sorry uh were they partners i didn't know they were i know there's oh you mean lovers oh i'm sorry band partners anyway whoever wrote the song i assumed had a cottage at echo beach north of again i want to say haliburton muskoka then haliburton right that's the way it goes something like that.

Bracebridge? I don't know where Bracebridge is. This is a question for Cam. I feel he's the cottage guy in this Zoom call. Well, that's through our partner. Is going to a cottage not a thing anymore in Toronto? Because when I was growing up there, it was all about getting out of the city for the weekend.

Yeah, but if I can speak for myself, I camp because I don't have access to a cottage. There's no cottage in the weekend. Yeah, but if I can speak for myself, I camp because I don't have access to a cottage. There's no cottage in the family. I don't... I can't afford to rent a... Okay, so people are still going to cottages. Of course, of course. Mike has that sweet Ford Canada hookup, too. Yeah, yeah. So I get a nice car

and then I go camp because that's how I roll. As long as your bike's with you, right? So if you look it up if you look it up echo beach ontario you'll see it on the map about two and a half hours outside of toronto very cool and also now obviously um as well a concert venue in downtown toronto but where is where is that is that the chorus is that your sugar beach well there's that's... That's Chorus. Yeah, Sugar Beach is by Chorus. Sugar Beach is beside Chorus Key. Echo Beach is kind of tangential

to Budweiser's stage. It's a secondary outdoor stage that seats about, or doesn't seat, it holds about maybe like 5,000 people. It's an actual volleyball court normally, but they have concerts there too during non-ice. Now my question

for you is, I haven't been to Toronto in 10 years. Where's the Budweiser stage? Oh, okay. All right. Gotcha. Echo Beach, not Cherry Beach. Beach and songs from Bud's stage. Catching up here.

Canada Kev says it's by Ontario Place. Okay. Now, we're in the last round here. This has been great. I'm sure now we'll get our Elvis Costello and we'll get our... Or will we? Will we?

Well, let me kick out the first jam from Cam Gordon. I'll say this. A lot of CanCon. A lot of CanCon this episode. I'm a little surprised. I'm surprised too. Well, I'm not surprised

because I picked myself quite a few CanCon songs, but more than just me. But here is your final jam. Regretting my images in vogue let's just say here's here's my turn right here We'll be right back. Give me light, give me action At the touch of a button Flying through hyperspace In the computer interface Stop Leaving on video

Stop Neil's left, he can't take it anymore this sounds like a cam a cam gordon special like i feel like this is right in the wheelhouse yeah i i would say in hindsight maybe i didn't need visage plus transax i feel like it's in their box um but i did want to because I wasn't sure if we're going to hear other Canadian tunes. It turns out we heard many, but anyway, this is out of, well, if anything, this is the first Quebecois entry. This is the band Trans X out of Montreal living on video,

much like Visage Fade to Grey, big hit in Europe. This was a number one song in Spain, number two in Switzerland, number four in Germany Transax was largely the brainchild of Pascal

Laguiard who was actually born in Paris but grew up in Montreal area now we're going to go to a quasi-geography segment because Pascal went to school to study electronic music at McGill, obviously a famous Canadian university. A look at some of the other musicians who went to McGill. Here's a few names. I'm sure you'll know them all.

You got Sam Roberts, a staple of the edge for many, many years. You got Wynne Regine from the Arcade Fire. You got Kid Koala, the famous turntablist. You've got a guy who was a musician, but also wrote some books. His name is Leonard Cohen. You have another person who's a writer, but is very associated with another track can i guess

oh no you just blew it i was gonna say mordecai richler uh that's a good guess maybe he went there too what was it uh hugh mcclennan okay yeah because courage that's right uh which was the full name courage in brackets in parentheses for hugh mcclennan yeah for huma that's right um fun fact about the name trans x we we've talked a little bit about craft work trans x is just an abbreviation of the craft word song uh trans europe express trans x sounds like craft work a lot of influence from craft work in this jam. Yeah. And not, well, I wouldn't say not surprisingly, but TransX was a bit of a, again, one guy and some people that helped him.

Every instrument on this song was played by Pascal from TransX. The video, I'd actually never seen, but I looked on YouTube, was actually just like a clip from a german tv show um that transects was playing in about 1984 the name of the show is uh formal ins um transects similar to like visage where like fade to gray kept on getting re-released and would like be licensed to stuff and they probably made like a decent amount of money because they just you know kind of would recycle it every few years similar to living on video this song has had like multiple remixes and

surfaced a lot um transects every now and then even though um pascal's been living in mexico since 2010 he transects does show up once in a while to play concerts in toronto uh most famously recently he played the Toronto Pride Festival in 2008 I only laugh because it's like oh it was like 12 years ago but that concert was actually at Club Circa which Mike I feel

like we talked about this recently when during the death of Michael Ailey the club kid who was very associated with Peter Gayden, who was the Toronto-born club impressionado of New York. Maybe this was on a 1236 episode, but I don't know, Trans X played at his club Circa, which is now, I think, like a Winners, close to Scotiabank Theatre. But other people who played at Circa included Kanye West, Justice, and Lady Gaga. Wow.

So some big names actually played there over the years. Cam, are you referring to, to stop you for a second, you mentioned that guy who went to New York from Toronto. Are you referring to the guy who started the club and ended up going to prison? Yeah, the guy with the eye patch. So that guy was from Cornwall, Ontario. I know that because my girlfriend was his neighbor wow oh wow wow i actually lived around the corner but i mean that's big world so i'll call that his neighbor yeah he was uh quite the individual that guy yeah absolutely not here to tell the story but

it was weird yeah yeah no yeah i feel like he was in the news recently i don't know if maybe died was that what just died yeah i think he just died uh no again that's we're just kind of yeah okay another famous mcgill graduate and i guess another famous mcgill graduate is technically a singer william shatner uh thank you andrew ward for that anyway trans x living on video again one of those songs you hear on retro night kind of a silly song um very like kind of clinky like keyboards and stuff but definitely a new wave song for sure and a bit of can con even though we have had a lot of can con tonight what year did it come out do you know was it 87 i want to say 87 no i i think this was like 83 or 80 i think it was like 83 84

definitely 80s for sure yeah hey cam you might want to check the chat there's a couple of fun facts from your uh fellow cambrio uh okay yeah circa and i feel like we talked about this before used to be at the toronto palladium like where you go to play video games um because i think i mentioned i i helped out on an x Xbox event there once when I did PR for Microsoft and yes Macaulay Culkin who I saw just had a kid this week yeah with Brenda Song who was in the show

my daughter my oldest daughter used to watch I'm trying to remember there was a rich she was rich and she had a Mosby and I'm trying to remember they were twins I'm it's all a blur now yeah not Lloyd Mosby and I'm trying to remember they were twins. It's all a blur now. Yeah. Not Lloyd Mosby. I had this trip to Shaker. Shaker showed up. Anyway, there's a show

that my daughter used to watch with Brenda Song was like the lead character in this show. Anyway, she's the baby mama for this. Kevin McAllister. Right. Okay, it was Michael Ailey who just died from an overdose and he was in prison for killing

a drug dealer back in the day. I mainly remember from being on when Geraldo or Maury Povich or Sally, Jesse Raphael would have the Club Kids episode and they'd all be in the regalia. I remember the famous

band that came out of that scene was uh delight delight yeah yeah they were all part of that scene yeah big fucking uh big fucking jam okay so around there i think don't let the next song be canadian well you picked it remember that uh is it my final pick? It's your final pick. And I do have your, your, your bonus mind blow is at the end, but I just want to shout out sticker you because there's such amazing partners and they help fuel the real talk. And if anyone listening requires any kind of stickers or temporary tattoos

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And Palma Pasta, Brother Bill, when you finally return to Toronto, you're getting yourself a lasagna. I saw that a bunch of FOTMs had made their Palma Pasta purchases. I'm looking forward to it. I always talk about the lasagna because that's what I give out. But apparently their pizza kicks ass. The Palma's Kitchen pizza kicks ass.

An FOTM ate a Palma pizza today, did he not? I saw that, yeah, and raved about it. So not just the yeah, you can get a nice pizza there too. So shout out to Palma. Is it all homemade? I don't know too much about them. I know that it's a family-run company. It's like to find homemade.

This is all made on the premises. Made scratch, yeah. Made from a recipe that, you know, Mama. It's authentic Italian food that Palma, that's Mom's name. Right. And I got to check in with Anthony. I'm sure his 90-something-year-old parents have been vaccinated at this point. But they were completely in lockdown for a year.

Like, Anthony himself wasn't even, like, visiting his parents. Like, that's the lockdown we're talking. Because these are people in their nineties and, uh, hopefully they've got their shot. Uh, brother, have you got your shot yet?

Uh, no, soon though I've registered, uh, probably in the next couple of weeks, I'll get my first shot. Okay. Keep us posted.

Uh, so you're, you're over 50. Is that what gets you the shot or over 50? How old are you? Right, right now it's 55 and up that are getting their shots in bc i'm 54 so i've got to wait till the next wave pardon the expression how about you

guys have either one of you had a shot i guess uh no i i'm curious if you guys are like me are you starting to see a trickle of folks you know on social media where it's like, why does that person get a shot? I've seen people that I've known, like another PR practitioner who I know for a fact has been working from his home in Aurora for the last year, is vaccinated. Someone I know who's an ultra

marathoner. She's slightly older than me, so she's like mid 40s. So Dana was telling me she got her vaccination, Dana Levinson and and i said oh like you are you over 50 and and it's like she's she qualifies because i know that's not a good thing but she did she did disclose on my show this summer that she had turned the big 50 but she disclosed what am i saying oh no she qualified for the vaccination because she lives with a frontline healthcare worker. Like one of the items was, yeah, her husband is a ER physician.

So one of the, like there's these boxes and one of them was like, do you live with a frontline worker or something? And she clicked the box and that got her in. So there are a whole bunch of things. Like if you're overweight, for example, I know the ultra marathoner is not overweight, but I saw on some of these, like if you're obese, like medically obese or whatever, I don't know how you qualify. Cause I told Monica, I told Monica, if you bought me like Haagen-Dazs, let's say you bought a few pints of Haagen-Dazs and you melted it.

So it was like, you could drink it like a milkshake. I promise you, I promise you I could gain 20 pounds in two days. Like I can do that. You know, like boxersers will wear those garbage bags when they're trying to cut weight? Yeah, to sweat it out. This is like the opposite. Yeah.

So I could get a shot. I could be obese and give me two or three days with as much. Just do circles between Paul Naposta and GLB and just consume everything available. So they were arguing here. I mean, I don't want to get too much into it, but they were arguing here they i mean i don't want to get too much into it but they were arguing here like regarding teachers and and first responders and it was just like why are we even having this

conversation of course teachers should be getting their shots right now you know they're dealing with our children they should be right up there at the front of the line agreed same with anybody involved with the first responder, like Dana. I don't even want to know. I'm in my mid-40s. I don't want to. I'm waiting. I am anxiously waiting until I'm allowed to register like you, brother, and get this shot. Because right now, there's nowhere to register because I don't qualify yet.

So you can stop doing pandemic fights. You can start eating dinner on Thursday night. Nobody fucking told me this. No one told me this was going to be 57 fucking weeks. Who would have thought? I thought this was going to be two to three weeks. I'm in it until The Last of Us gets our last shot. And I know that'll be probably in August or something like that.

But it would be nice to get that ball rolling if you could. So what am I saying here? Except I don't even like the idea that I might be getting my, if I get my shot before like a 35 year old junior kindergarten teacher or something like it doesn't seem right to me that this podcast. Yeah. Like my sister is a teacher. So like,

I feel like I'm biased, but when I see like the, the well-paid head of PR for a major financial company and the ultra marathon runner getting their shot, are they going to the States? Cause you know what Mike Wilner did? And he, I can say this because he disclosed it on Toronto.

Mike, Mike Wilner said he was taking a flight to Ohio, getting his shot in Ohio because they'll give it to anybody who's over 18. And then he's flying back and doing his quarantine. And then he's going back again to get his second shot like three weeks later. Like this is the Mike Wilner plan. He's already got the first shot in Ohio. Yeah.

That's what you got to do. Like vaccine tourism. People are crossing the border to get the shot and then they're coming back or whatever. Like Stu fucking Stone who went to LA so he could get the two. He's already got the two. He's had two? Stu's had two.

He's had both. All right, gents. Let's do this. Where are we at now? This is Brother Bill's final jam. You ready, brother? Let me just preface it by, let's do this. Where are we at now? Okay, this is Brother Bill's Final Jam. You ready, brother? Let me just preface it by saying it's not Canadian. It's from one of the most famous cities in the world for music because of one band.

And it's a song from 1984 that is probably my favorite, if not my second favorite song that CFNY ever played. Under the blue moon I saw you So soon you'll take me Up in your arms It's too late to beg you Or cancel it though I know it must be The killing time To beg you or cancel it though I know it must be The killing time

Unwillingly mine Fate Up against your will Through the thick and thin You will wait until Yes, yes, yes. From Liverpool, England. I hate the name of the band, but that is such a brilliant song. It's called The Killing Moon, and the band is Echo and the Bunnymen.

Right after Echo Beach. Right after Echo Beach. The thematic Thursday continues. Well, Brother Bill, before you bury us in fun facts, and I can't wait to hear your take on it. I know how much you love it. I just want to shout out that on

the 30th Pandemic Friday, so this is 57, on the 30th Pandemic Friday, so this is 57, on the 30th Pandemic Friday, Cam Gordon kicked out the pavement cover of this song. I think the theme was killing or something, like death or killing or something. And then I, during the Spooky Jams episode, which was our 33rd Pandemic Friday, I kicked out this version, the Echo and the Bunnymen version of the Killing Moon for Spooky Jams episode, which was our 33rd Pandemic Friday, I kicked out this version,

the Echo and the Bunnymen version of The Killing Moon for Spooky Jams. This is a spooky jam? Okay. Like The Killing Moon. I think that's a bit unsettling. And think about it,

The Killing Moon. I guess so, yeah. I really didn't look at it that way. It's killing people. I guess that I looked at it just more from a personal perspective. I mean, that's just a song that's been, you know, there's certain songs that just stick with you for the rest of your life. You know, they've been attached, stuck to you since you were a kid,

and it just remains. And every time you hear it, it never gets old. It never gets tired. And that's what The Killing Moon is for me. Echoing the Bunnymen, led by Ian McCullough, singer, guitarist, vocalist, songwriter. Will Sargent, guitars, Les Patterson on bass, and the late

Pete DeFritas, who died in 1989 at the age of... 27. 27. Yeah, part of the 27 Club on drums. They formed in Liverpool 1978. They took the dumb name because they thought it was stupid. And they are correct in that assumption, obviously.

Many people seem to believe it's about reverb and the sound for echo. And the Bunnymen were, of course, the guys in the band. But that's not true, apparently. Never really had a huge successful song in north america uh their biggest was probably 1987 they had a couple of songs they did a couple of they did a cover of people are strange if you remember that that featured rayman zarek of the doors actually playing keyboards on it because he was a big fan. Songs like Bring on the Dancing Horses were used in some of the John Hughes films in the 1980s.

Lips Like Sugar was a pretty big song from 87. They still tour, released 12 albums. And in 1984, they released their fourth studio album, which was called Ocean Rain featuring The Killing Moon. Donnie Darko is a film that features the great actor Stu Stone. I don't know if you guys have heard of Stu Stone. And it's the song that is in the opening scene of that movie, right? And is Stu Stone really in that?

Yeah, you think that's a bit? Do you think that's a bit? I thought it was a joke. No, he's like Jake Gyllenhaal's, like, one of his best friends. Yeah, he's all over that film. Can I tell you one of his best friends yeah there's two he's all over that film can i tell you right now that's the opening scene that's the opening scene and for the record i think that's partly why i kicked it out for the uh spooky jams actually was for because it was in donnie darko but i just want to say we would never joke about something like that

something as serious as a stew stone's filmography yeah and. And I think I should I shouldn't be surprised. Stu's a talented guy. I think that's why we did Killer Tunes. It was to celebrate the release of Fake Game Murder.

Oh, yes, that's right. Thank you. And don't forget Kynes. I want to get his name right. David Kynes, who is the founder.

David Kynes. OK, honestly, thank God. Thank for fuck's sake. thank you so much for doing this now david kuka is it paka or puka okay hold on say his name again david kines kines like not kinnis it's not kinnis kines are you fucking with me look me in the eyes how do you say this gentleman's last name kines okay that's what i thought's what I thought. It is David Kynes. So it's not Kynes. No, Kynes.

What the heck? I trust you. Take this out in post. Do you have that clip, Mike, by chance? Yeah, of course. Can I ask a question about Echo and the Bunnymen? Again, 90s New Wave bands in the 90s

Echo and the Bunnymen had a song, I Want to Be There When You Come. Do you remember that? Spelled C-E-B-L-E-M-E. No, I don't. But I know that, like, Ian McCullough left the band and then they got a new singer for a while and then they broke up.

And then Ian and Will Sargent formed a band called Electra Fiction that had some songs in the 90s. They had a song called, I think it was called Never. Sure. What I'm trying to get around to is, did you ever interview these guys or Ian McCullough? Did they ever? They must have come through the studio, I imagine.

They did. Carlos Benavides interviewed Ian McCullough once at our 228 Yonge Street Studios. And there was some band that was in after him so there was a bunch of kids in there and ian was really worked up i remember carlos saying to me he tried to calm him down and said are you okay do you do you want to leave and he said yeah i just want to go get a pint and some fish and chips and that's what they did sounds Sounds like window. But I'd never talked to Ian McCullough. Notoriously difficult to speak with.

He's not really a man of words. But he does talk to the NME out of the UK in his clip I want to play. And it relates to the Killing Moon. And if you listen to the Killing Moon after you hear what he has to say, it makes total sense. So, Mike, do you want to play that clip? I think the verse came up with that verse.

I've never told anyone this, but I think what I did was wonder what the chords of Space Odyssey backwards would sound like. So instead of I went. Oh, and thereby, yeah, I created the greatest song ever written. I created the greatest song ever written. So yeah, so he even, he admits it's space oddity backwards. That's where I got the main lick. Think of the overall

Bowie influence on the whole new wave scene here. I feel like... David Bowie is the number one influence on not only new wave, but on probably any rock and roll that is cool that came out in the last 40 or 50 years. Wow. We didn't even hear

psychedelic furs like fans that are just basically you know a lot of their catalog is complete david pretty in pink man go ahead if you're not listening to david bowie you've never listened to that guy's music i mean to me he's i mean i was never a sorry to offend but i was never a massive beatles fan despite the fact that i know they're brilliant and i know what they've done. But for me, it's been David Bowie. Listening to David Bowie is transcending to a place

that we as mortals are not welcome to go to. So this has been real eye-opening. Tonight we've learned Brother Bill hates the Beatles, Boot Sauce and Skinny Puppy. Well, let's put it this way. Not necessarily in that order. Descending order. beatles are not the beatles

are not even brother bill's favorite band from liverpool no they're not echoing the bunnyman is there you go okay uh you know what i will say this when you when you what was your last jam trans x uh cam trans x yes living on video. Living on video. Please somebody play New Order. Please somebody play New Order. When I'm listening to that jam, I'm always thinking like, what would Stu say? Like, I just think,

imagine Stu was here. He would go off on you. I just wish I could get Stu's outrage. I will say this. My picks, I think this episode, I stand behind my picks. The last two episodes,

I tried to get a bit cute and i do apologize to the oh brother this is a good time to ask you because you're live and i'm recording are you able to fill in for stew next week because he can he cannot make next week either i think cam was in the midst of uh something cathartic should we let him finish oh i thought he finished didn't you finish i done. I know how to read him like a book. Yeah, I think I'm good. I'll have to double check. Excuse me, but

I think I'm good. I mean, with Mike with hair like that, how could I not come back? And I ran. Jenny Garth, 90210. That's the look right there. Oh, make sure we get a picture. I'll make sure to try to keep it up like that for the picture afterwards because we're not

recording this video. Okay, so you can pick again, brother. You can pick the category just like you did so awesomely with American Hardcore and Britpop and this one, New Wave. Okay, so you can do that. I'm about to kick out

my last jam. I'm going to kick out my last jam. I'm going to ponder what's worse, the third wave of COVID-19 we're wrestling with or the third wave of ska? How about this? I've already got a choice. How about this? Let me know what you think of this. Australia.

I'm going to play this jam and think about it. Okay. Oh, man. I hope my friend Megan from SoCan is listening. Making a lot of money today out of Toronto, Mike. I can dance Over water I walk the streets And live in your towns

Temporarily I can dance Over water Temporarily I can't Hold on You still got to Answer now But soon we'll be Only on our own And I'll sleep

Sleep in your Nova heart As deep Chonky Who is that? Is this new wave, everybody? Is it new wave? Absolutely. So, Mike, you're four for four on CanCon. Yeah. Wow.

Four for four on CanCon. Thanks for the heads up. Yeah. I have to disclose thatCon. Thanks for the heads up. Yeah. Well, I have to disclose that decision. That was a personal decision. I didn't say we had to kick out CanCon, but I chose to. So what do we need to say? There's an FOTM on vocals here because we're deaf.

And a member of Northern Lights, too. Right. And you made that edit to the wiki? No, Rosie Gray Tio made that edit. What's the handle again? Rosie Gray what?

Tio? Rosie Gray Tio. All right. So what can I share? There's not much to know except the band is called Spoons. This jam's from 1982.

It's called Nova Heart. This is actually the 12-inch single because I prefer it. It's longer and I like it. And the album, of course, is Areas and Symphonies. And this is the... I think this is the song we're listening to right now is the first

Spoon song that hit the Canadian singles chart. Not the last. Not the last. Not the last. Let's see here. Burlington Band. That's a fun fact that everybody knows.

This did get nominated for a Juno, the most promising group of the year in 19... I don't have the year, but I think... 82 or 83. It'll be one of those two, I think. Of course, we talk often about the quintessential Toronto video

that is Romantic Traffic, where you can see a red rocket in there. It's the TTC subway. And somebody's I feel like somebody told me their girlfriend is in that video. Maybe an FOTM. No, it was me. There's a guy. There's a guy that I used to work at a pizza joint in Bramley and Brampton. And he worked at the convenience store next door,

and he's in that video for Romantic Traffic. He's there with a female companion in the subway there. Okay, I feel like there's another story then. I think somebody's girlfriend. And then there's some chat. Canada Kev is wondering if it was York Mills Station. I actually don't know what station it was. I feel like it was Yonge and Bloor, was it not?

Well, it was the white tiles that like it was Yonge and Bloor, was it not? Well, it was the white tiles that you have at Yonge and Bloor, but I don't know. Keep in mind, there's also that mystery station that's used in movies. It's called Lower Bay. Lower Bay. There was a Nuit Blanche

when Monica and I got to hang out in Lower Bay for late one night. Actually, strangely, I mentioned we once when I worked for PR agencies, we rented out Circa to host an Xbox event at Circa.

I'm not a video game guy. It's like a Call of Duty game or something. We also rented out the Lower Bay Station for like a video game like launch event so you can actually rent it out or you could at that time i mean wow what year was that like 2008 2009 or so like this is a while ago 2008 2009. yeah i i feel like you couldn't do that these days unless it was like a film production and they just threw a shitload of money but i

don't think like xbox Xbox Canada would have enough money to just even pay for like security and stuff down there Microsoft was I feel just a different type of company back then bigger budget okay so the name the spoons or spoons Gord tells me he doesn't care which one but the name

spoons where did it come from well they were eating alphabet soup at Brettickens home so the whole band is there that's uh brett wickens he's a keyboard and simpson never like brett either and uh peter shepard and uh uh gore depp and uh sandy horn they were actually dating those two at the time i believe i believe in high school they dated they were all dating like it's like a polyamorous depp and Depp and... Like a triad? Burlington. Gord and Sandy.

Gord and Sandy. They were the only... Like if you see them today, and I've seen them a few times recently, those are the only two members of the original band that are still around. Gord Depp and Sandy Horn. But they were dating.

Sandy is another fantastic bass player, by the way, who deserves some kudos. She's a great musician. Like we talk about our crushes back in the day there's one that was a crush back in the day okay so they're all eating they're at brett's house and they're all eating alphabet soup and they're trying to think of what they're going to name their band so they're tossing around potential names and then they all this is the legend they all stare at their spoons and then there was no turning back

was there any lsd involved with this or anything like that because it sounds like staring at my spoon for like an hour you know anyway i was gonna say good thing they weren't eating zoodles they would have been called subliminal penis exactly so there's also a cfny tie-in with with the spoons live earl jive and beverly hills who were evening hosts in the 80s at cf and y um are are in one of the spoons videos later into their career and i can't remember the name of the tell no lies maybe tell no lies that was it yeah tell no lies earl and bev play well earl plays a pilot and i think bev might be the co-pilot or it's it's i remember seeing earl but not bev but uh

i thought they were both in that they were quite friendly with uh earl and and beverly at that time because they're getting a lot of airplay on cly very supported them. Yeah, I think that we were the only radio, or they were the only radio station at the time that was playing them. And I mean, this is all in the Gord Depp episode, but there was all that, like, controversy of sorts that they sold out because they did the Stitches campaign. Do you guys remember the Spoons Stitches campaign? And they did another campaign for something else.

It'll come to me after I stop recording, but some other big brand that they did, Spoons something else it'll come to me after i stop recording but some other big brand that they did spoons were part of the you know there's an accidental penis there's an accidental penis on cans of zoodles an ap if you go back far enough there's a picture on toronto make like a seinfeld episode you have the main kind of theme but always different in seinfeld episode there was always that underlying thing the well. For us today, it's penis. The B story. Go ahead, Cam. Are you going to say anything?

I was going to say, how many new wave bands did we leave on the cutting room? I'm trying to think. We got Boys Brigade. We got Parachute Club. I think the big ones, you could say the big ones I would think would be an Elvis Costello or a Blondie.

Sorry, I mean Canadian. Oh, Canadian. i don't know i don't know was platinum blonde would that be considered a new wave band i feel like so okay interesting story can i just tell this quickly interesting story with platinum blonde so i know mark holmes a little bit who was the main guy in Platinum Blonde, the singer-bass player. He hated CFNY because he always considered his band to be a CFNY band, not a pop band, but more of a new wave band. And maybe Ivor Hamilton, maybe not Ivor Hamilton, or somebody at the time labeled them a pop band and said they'll never get any play on CFNY and they were never played. And I feel bad for Mark because he's a big fan of CFNY in that era, yet no love.

Wow. I feel like they were just like five degrees off. Because they've been like Duran Duran. We played Duran Duran or they played Duran Duran in the 80s. Do you know what I mean? Even when Duran Duran or they played Duran Duran in the 80s do you know what I mean even when Duran Duran became big and commercial see if and why still played you know the reflex in Union of the Snake and all that kind of stuff like I'm trying to think did we play on a pandemic Fridays uh you know that band Crystal Castles their version of Not In Love uh Robert Smith well I

know the song very well because I dig it big time. I don't believe we've kicked that one out. You know that's a Platinum Blonde song. Yes, I do know that. I had Platinum Blonde's greatest hits on CD. That's how much I liked Platinum Blonde. They have some jams.

I'm sure I've shared this. My mom delivered a baby for a member of Platinum Blonde. I'm not sure which one. That anecdote and then the Elvis Stoico one. this night my mom delivered a baby for a member of platinum blonde i'm not sure which one that that that anecdote and then the elder mother of bus driver stoicoen yeah well it's weird she's i'm in a nurse she's just just walking by yeah all right since i only have a another verse of rosie and gray left here i just want to say brother bill thank you so much for pinch hitting today you're amazing that was a fantastic uh education and episode on New Wave. And I really

hope you do return next week to do it again because I love it, man. If people will allow, I'll certainly do my best. I'll let you know in the next 24 hours or so, Mike. But think about it. Australia. Oh, I'll think about that for sure. And Cam, always a pleasure. 57. I mean, you

skipped a couple when you were cottaging, but almost 57 weeks in a row we've done this and it's always a pleasure. I. I mean, you skipped a couple when you were cottaging, but 50, almost 57 weeks in a row, we've done this and it's always a pleasure. I can't wait to do the deep dive into schools out with you. Absolutely. That's, that's going to be a lot of fun and won't be long school year one way or another.

It's going to be over soon. And that that's right. And that brings us to the end of our 836th show. Just checking the chats here. Put another dingo on the burpee. I don't think that's how it goes, Ian Service. Okay, you can follow me on Twitter. I'm at Toronto Mike.

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