Toronto Mike'd: The Official Toronto Mike Podcast - No More Noise Toronto: Toronto Mike'd Podcast Episode 1657

Episode Date: March 25, 2025

In this 1657th episode of Toronto Mike'd, Mike chats with Ingrid Buday from No More Noise Toronto about why Toronto is too loud, what's it's doing to our health and what we can do about it. Toronto Mike'd is proudly brought to you by Great Lakes Brewery, Palma Pasta, Ridley Funeral Home, and RecycleMyElectronics.ca. If you would like to support the show, we do have partner opportunities available. Please email Toronto Mike at [e-mail]

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of the past. Building Toronto Skyline, a podcast and book from Nick Ienies, sponsored by Fusion Corp Construction Management Inc. and Ridley Funeral Home, pillars of the community since 1921. Joining me today from No More Noise, Toronto, it's Ingrid Buday. Welcome, Ingrid. Woo, woo, woo. Very happy to be here, Mike, thanks.

Full disclosure, although we met for the first time moments ago, we had, we've met like via Zoom. Yes. Or remotely at least. That online world. We're connected via Esri Canada. Yes. And I produce podcasts for Esri and there's one called Geographical Thinking. And you were on not once, I believe, but twice. Two different hosts. That's how far back we're going here. So I got to know your story at No More Noise Toronto because you are on Geographical Thinking, an Esri podcast, and it's about time

you paid a visit to the basement. So I'm glad to have you here. Well, it's a pleasure to be here. And you know, the support that we have for just creating a better and more livable Toronto where people can have a good night's sleep is just so incredible. It's more than I ever thought it would actually be and to have the support of Esri Canada and using their cool mapping is just it's been a really fun connection. So I was on your website and we're gonna set the table. Who's Ingrid? What's No More Noise Toronto? What the heck are we talking about? You know all this will be uncovered here, so stay tuned everybody.

But nomormoistoronto.com, this is the website and I can see mapping of noise in this city and I think it says powered by Esri or something on the bottom, like Esri is the, is that the, and again, Esri's not a sponsor and they should be, but is it the Esri again, this is not, Esri's not a sponsor and they should be, but is it the Esri GIS, like is it their software that allows you to map the noises in the city?

Yeah, it actually all started with Esri and mapping. I grew up in Vancouver, I grew up in BC, and I could pour over topographical maps for hours. I just loved them. And then during the pandemic, I took an introductory GIS course, and that's when I learned Esri. And then during the pandemic, I took an introductory GIS course and that's when I learned Esri. And I learned that I could create a survey

where people could input their information and they could see the result back to them. And I thought, that's powerful. That's what I wanna do. Okay, shout out to Esri. Yeah. Shout out to Mike Grogotsky, living at home. Living at home, listening at home.

I hope he's living at home and listening at home. We love Grygotsky on this podcast here. So, No More Noise Toronto. I'm gonna ask you some, you know, basic questions and we're gonna find out what's happening on April 1st. It's no April Fool's Day joke, right? No, no, no, no. If we miss it, we're gonna be a fool. No, listen, you'd be a fool to're if we miss it, we're going to be a fool. No, listen,

you'd be a fool to miss what's going to happen on April 1st. That's right. So before you became the noise lady, you mentioned, you know, taking this course on Esri during the pandemic and we're talking about this pandemic. It was it was only like five years ago. Okay. So this is in the last five years. But who was Ingrid Boudet before No More Noise Toronto? She's been a million different things. Who are you Ingrid? What are you doing in my basement? Well I'm here having fun man and that's one thing that Ingrid has always been. Ingrid has always been fun and ask anybody who's known me and you know I worked at Tarrinet for for nine years and they are the company that manages the land registry database

for the province of Ontario and I saw that's where I learned about Esri and I would come into the I would ride my bike and along Lakeshore at front at front in York and I would come in and I would and every Friday I would be like happy Friday and then I change I would go into the washroom and I would come in and I would, and every Friday I'd be like, happy Friday. And then I change, I would go into the washroom and I would have my bike clothes on, but my high heeled shoes because corporately, you know, you wear high heeled shoes. My kind of woman. Yeah.

And so then I went through this transformation every morning and it was just so much fun because I got to ride my bike to work and I got to work for a really cool company that did really cool mapping things. Okay. And please, when did you first come to this realization that Toronto might be, well, is Toronto too noisy? Overall, so it's a noisy city. Yes.

But then we talk about unnecessary noise and I think there's way too much unnecessary noise in Toronto and actually elsewhere. So when we talk about different noise sources, cause everybody has a noise story and we all have an individual relationship to sound. And, uh, and so that's been an interesting thing to kind of unpack a bit. So when did you have this epiphany?

Like, Hey, there's too much unnecessary noise in this city. When I started looking out my window and swearing at people that were racing by my condo, waking me up at three o'clock in the morning. And I tried to report it to 311 and I tried to report it to the police and nothing worked. And it was, I started a new job two weeks before the pandemic started. So I did most of it at home.

And it was great because I could, you know, kind of drag my butt to the kitchen table after being kept awake because of racing vehicles and loud exhausts and all that stuff. And then when they wanted me to go back into the office, I'm like, there's no, there's no way I can actually go back into the office. So that's when the epiphany happened, when it was just like, this is too much. And I wondered, am I the only one? And at that point, I was on Twitter and I was raging at two o'clock in the morning going raw and I was not the only one I learned that there's a lot of people out there who you just want to get a good night's sleep now you don't have to dox yourself okay Ingrid I don't need to

know the the exact address here but you're in a condo yeah by a highway yeah possibly the Gardner Expressway yeah Yeah. Okay. So I feel this is really important because there are going to be, you know, there'll be Torontonians listening who'll be like, what's Ingrid talking about? Yeah. But when you're in a condo tower by one of our, you know, our major highways, be it the 427 or the 401 or the Dun Valley Parkway or the Gardner Expressway, I think that covers all the major highways. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The the racetrack circle there.

Yeah. Mm hmm. Now, are you talking about like maybe let's say at two in the morning, some motorcyclist is going to make I know that sound when I hear it. And I hate that sound too, because I'm a cyclist like you. And there's nothing I hate more than when you're cycling along your path. And sometimes it's a car. I think I saw an episode of Roseanne

where like, I don't know if it was the father kept his motorcycle intentionally and I don't know enough to sound like I know what I'm talking about, but the carburetor, there was something they would do to make it sound that noise, that you know what I'm talking about. And I feel like Darlene's boyfriend may have fixed it

and Dan got mad because he liked it loud. Does this ring a bell with you? Oh, there's a whole bunch of identity that goes along with sound and a whole bunch of identity that goes along with vehicles. And that's the sound you're talking about where at two in the morning there, rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr that that or or then you have the the Harleys. So what is that? Is that is that like, oh, look at my big penis? Is that what that is? Or or maybe they don't have one and that's a replacement.

Well, yeah, that's sort of what I mean. But it's like, it's amazing how many people land there. They land at that. It's a small dick syndrome thing. Right. And I try not to go there because I'm trying to be a good advocate, but you know, that's where it goes. That's where it goes. And so, you know, it's not just... So we call that vanity noise, because that's not just a vehicle doing... It's not just going from A to B.

And I mean, a vehicle can look nice. And it can be... There used to be where vehicles used to like purr and it was like a bubububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububububub vehicle, but I do not appreciate it when I have over a hundred noise spikes from unnecessary noise just because somebody thinks it sounds good. It impacts my health. It impacts my sleep. We're going to get into that. Yeah. I want to know. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, it, but, but it can be vibrant. You know, there's nothing wrong with just, you know, calm, cool, collected like this. But the vanity noise again, it's a good name for what you're describing. You get it right. They want you to notice, right?

That's the whole idea. I think of it as like, I can't remember what episode it was recently, but I've done a bunch lately, but we were talking about the cyber trucks and I think I, cause somebody, oh, it was Bruce Dobe again. He was here. He was saying there. I just asked if he he was gonna buy one because he leans that way and I figured Bruce is the kind of guy who's gonna roll in here of the Cybertruck next time he visits he's like oh they're ugly aren't they and I real I

was telling him my fee my theory on it is that people who drive the Cybertrucks are driving them because we think they're ugly and it makes us mad right and I actually think that these people you're hearing at 2 in the morning Who you don't need to have that racket going at 2 in the morning when they're driving down the garden or speeding on the gardener Expressway, they they want you to hear them and they don't care if they piss you off. That's part of the that's a feature not a bug Absolutely. Well, so sometimes I I want to give some people the benefit of the doubt and say there's ignorance and they go, oh, I'm a kilometer away from that. That, that, you know, like on the Don Valley is a great example

because the condos are actually quite a ways away, but it amplifies through the Valley. And so some people may think, oh, they can't hear me. Oh, yes, we can. And then there's a, there was a study actually out by a professor and in University of Waterloo, and it was about who wants a loud car, and there was a high tendency

of sadism and mac... Sadomasochistic, can I guess, are they primarily, it's male, right? Uh-huh. There's no women out there who want a loud car. More or less. More or less, I would 100% agree with you. Well, I always look, right? It's like's like who's driving that thing and it's generally males

And if it's a female, I think she's driving her boyfriend's car or her partner's car or whatever, right? But you know But it is and but but guys have always had a fascination with cars and I don't have a problem with that and go one Have a fascination with cars just don't frickin wake me up Right. Okay And go and have a fascination with cars. Just don't fricking wake me up. Right, okay. When you get that spike, that sound that you're describing in your condo doing some work and it's 2 p.m., is that different?

Like, is that something you accept because, oh, I'm in a big city, I'm in Toronto. Is that different than when you hear it because you're trying to sleep at 2 a.m.? Like, do you think there should be like a, sort of like how you know when there's a concert at the Budweiser stage. You know they got a wrap, I think it's 11 p.m. Or something

Yeah, because you know for neighbors and people who are trying to sleep and Doug Ford took that away by the way Is that right? There's now no the city of Toronto noise bylaws do not apply to Ontario place Because when I Okay, Liberty Village is gonna get pummeled. So when did this get removed? Um, I want to say this was like a year and a half ago, just when the whole Ontario, before the deforestation happened. Um, but yeah, it was, it was when they were all the thermy stuff and all of that. So I shout out to Allie Weinstein, who was here last week and did a documentary on Ontario place, which started off as a love letter to Ontario place.

Then it became a eulogy basically. It's airing on TVO by the end of the month. So we could do, there's a lot of ground to cover. I mean I saw a Blue or bike lane sticker when I went out to get your water bottle. Yeah, I could almost, there's a lot of ground I want to cover with you, but we'll stick to the noise at first, which is you recognize that there are, and I took a note on what you're calling these things, unnecessary noise, the vanity noise. Is it more than just the highway,

like the motorcycles and the cars on the highway? Yeah, so a couple things that I just wanna mention is I've been living in the same place for 10 years, and I used to be able to ride my bike home from Terranet, have a nap on the balcony beside the Gardner. It was 80 decibels, but it was that consistent hum. What we're talking about is something that is plainly audibly different. And it doesn't even need to be loud, but you know, um, it,

it's plainly audibly different and it, and it startles you. And that's what happens. It's that startle response. And it's that, have a look, you know, who, who is that is that and and so for me it was like this I you if somebody's hurting you you kind of want to know what it is or you know if you feel a bite on your you know you want to go look and you want to get it to stop well this was I started No More Noise Toronto to get the hurt to stop and and so where were we I wanted to make sure that I answered because I've been in the same place for 10 years and what happened was things have changed.

Is it just vehicles on the highway? Are there other unnecessary noise spikes that you're tracking? Right, so what I've learned now is that we all have an individual relationship to sound. And so for some people, they can hear, like two people living in the same place, one person gets driven bonkers by sirens,

the other person goes, ah, it's not a big deal, somebody's having a worse day than I am. But the thing is, so sirens are a necessary noise, but there's options to make quieter sirens. There's ones called broadband sirens, and they're more tonal, and they can, they have lower tones. They can be like a white noise. I heard one on the back of a city truck, and it was like a... but isn't the idea to let motorists know you're coming? Yeah. Aren't you afraid of this white noise siren? We'll just ignore it. Well, so the white noise would be good for like the backup beepers and the cherry pickers and those kind of things and that and

backup trucks, but sirens themselves, they actually have ones that are now they're used in Hawaii. They're called the Rumblers and they use low frequency vibration. And the thing is, is when you're in downtown and you hear an ambulance, do you have any idea where it comes from? You know, it's like, okay, is that two blocks south, two blocks north? What is it? So that's where I think we can, there's opportunity for better technology. If ways can, you know, and Google maps can kind of show you which lane you need to be in.

Is there not a way that, that, that GPS of a, of an ambulance can be notified and need to be in, is there not a way that the GPS of an ambulance can be notified and cars can be, like it can show up on a map? Like the thing is with No More Noise Toronto, we know it's not going to be quiet tomorrow, but we can start working towards a quiet tomorrow by utilizing technology and being smart and looking at noise differently, listening to it differently. Okay, so I'm collecting in my mind this list.

So obviously the vehicular noise. Yeah. We'll call it that. You can use that if you want in your literature. So vehicular emergency vehicles. Amplified sound. Is there anything else? Oh yeah.

So construction. Big one, big one, big one, big one. Jackhammer. Yeah. Neighbor to neighbor noise. Like so, and also, so what has happened is music has changed. And so, for the record, I love to dance. I love to have a good time. Prove it! There's some space over there, Ingrid.

Don't hit your head though. Don't hit your head! Oh, it was close. Okay, Ingrid's dancing. This is... Okay, now I know. You'll do whatever I say. This is good to know. Good to know. Okay. I'm back now. No, I didn't hit my head. But I danced. But I danced. So music's different now. What we like that base, right? You're talking about the base. Yeah. I need to get my. Oh, yeah. You know, I think there's a carpet there. Just there we go. No, it's the deep base. And so this is where

that that and it travels. So there's DBA. Okay. I'm going to need a little, little, little technical here. Okay. I'm ready. Okay. DBA is the decibel weighting that everybody hears all the time and it's attuned to what people can hear. And so the lower frequencies we don't hear as well as the higher frequencies. So if you look at a chart and DBA, it kind of really drops off on the lower frequency scale. DBC doesn't drop off as much because we feel more than we hear those lower frequencies. So that's why, like I went to a concert, I got a little fun story here. So I like ambient music and there's an artist, his name is Ash and he's got it's kind of Middle Eastern kind of music but he's got really and he plays the real he also

plays the instruments and so I was going to the Danforth music hall to see him sure and I was a little bit early and I went next door to Noonan's yeah and I went to have a little drink and just kind of you know enjoy myself and I saw this guy tuning the guitars and I'm like I think I know that person so I went up there and it was I went hey Mike and he was like Ingrid I'm like yeah no more noise he goes what are you doing here it was Mike Tanner who is part of the city's music music department I'm sorry I'm not sorry Mike I'm not doing you justice here but he was like what are you doing here I'm like I'm going to a concert next door he was like well you should you doing here? I'm like, I'm going to a concert next door. And he was like, well, you should come back and dance.

And so I came back after the concert, which was great, and I danced. But in the concert, the bass was so loud. It was like way down low. And my heart was beating and racing. And it was like, oh, this is what people are feeling. Oh, you know, and it feels good. But then when the song ended, I was like,

oh, that was a workout. like you know I was exhausted and but it was but and so that's where music is changed but it feels good it feels good but the thing is is that it should stay within the walls that it's created in so that the even if we're talking like let's say there was some kind of a curfew or something and like you're talking about even at 10 p.m. You think it should you know stay within the walls Well, yeah Ideally because if it stays between the walls at 10 a.m. Or 10 p.m. That means it's gonna stay between the walls at 2 a.m And we're going to a 24-7 economy, right?

Like that's what the whole night economy is about the night economy is defined as anything past 6 p.m. And before 6 a.m Let me ask you some because I'm very interested in what the World Health Health Organization has to say about these these noise noise spikes and stuff because I've done a little homework because you were on the Esri podcast so I have a little little insight into this but I'm going to hit you with some some obvious things because I can hear listeners hearing this and they're going to be yelling at the smartphone or whatnot and say, Ingrid, you chose to live in Ontario, sorry, Toronto, Ontario, Canada.

The largest city in the country and one of the largest cities in the world, Toronto, Ontario, Canada. A lot of the noise that you're experiencing and wanting to reduce is what comes with living in a big city. Like, what do you say to those folks who say you should live in like Moncton or something? Well, what if I can't? What if I have a family that's here? What if I have kids that are here?

What if my job is here? You know, I should be able to live wherever I need to and have a good sleep. It's not about it's, I mean, it is about noise, but it's also about our health and about having a good sleep. Because if we don't have a sleep, good sleep, all of us know how crappy we feel the next day. And some people have this all the time. So they're constantly sleep deprived. And finally, I've lived in my condo for 10 years, for eight until 2019, it was great.

I loved it. I could sleep with the window open, even with the gardener. But what happened in 2019 was, Doug Ford took away Drive Clean. So there is no visual inspection of a vehicle. So you're, so, okay, this is interesting. Yes, I know, I know Drive Clean window. I remember my right in 86

tourists and I remember the headaches I was going through to try to get that thing passed. Me too, I had a Subaru. Bikes are way easier man, way easier. You're preaching to the converted on that one. We can do 90 minutes on that, but so you're saying now cars because they don't have to pass any kind of inspection that they're simply not roadworthy and therefore noisier Well, apparently they're apparently when you modify a vehicle It is not up to OEM original equipment manufacturer specs So that could potentially void insurance that could potentially

Cause problems if you get into a if you get into a crash, but the idea is that vehicles are safe for not only external people, like that they have brakes and all that, but also the people inside. And so if it's really loud, then that's impacting both the driver and everybody around. And so then it could be looked at as being unsafe. And so one of the things that's really cool that's happening with this community is there is a person in BC actually, who created an app where you can anonymously report loud vehicles. And so we're, we're working on that right now to make that into something that can go on the phone where it can, you can take a picture, a license plate, it uploads it.

And then let's say the ministry of Ontario could look at it and when they want to register your vehicle, instead of just sending out the tickets, they actually do a quick scan and see if your vehicle has been reported as modified. Interesting. Okay, so as we build our way towards April 1st, 2025, okay, and I mentioned the World Health Organization. Yes. You know, the state noise pollution is second to the number one urban environmental health hazard, which is air pollution. Right. Did I get that right? Okay. Why don't you tell me Ingrid, you're the expert here.

By the way, do you have a theme song? Boudet is the greatest noise. What should I know? I'm gonna workshop the lyrics. You need to work that a little bit more. I got that first phrase. Boudet is the greatest. Okay, please.

I don't like that Boudet is the greatest thing, but you know. Okay, we're gonna workshop it. Yeah, yeah. What the heck is the World Health Organization saying about nighttime noise limits? Yeah, well, nighttime is basically considered from 11 p.m. to 7 a.m.

And they recommend 40 decibels at night for a restorative sleep. I've seen other numbers, I've seen as low as 30. There's a number of different publications out there, but they are recommending 40 at night and 55 during the day, because it is the documentation and the research is well done, well researched now, that 55 decibels is when the health impacts occur.

And that's not being annoyed, that is actually just the, your, your body responding to sound that is, you don't have any frame of reference markers. Like if I said, Hey, I went to Pearson and I heard a jumbo jet take off, like, Oh, that's a hundred or something. You don't have to be about like 110, you know, a diesel engine is about 80 to 90 cars are usually around 70 to 80, depending on. And cars just create noise without outside of the exhaust because it's

tire noise, it's wind noise, it's, it's all that other stuff. Um, right. But they're also now putting speakers on the outside of electric vehicles. So don't think that electric vehicles are going to be the solution. Dodge, Dodges, EV is, I'm touted to have 126 decibels coming out of it from speakers. Why so high? Because it's Dodge.

I think they have small penis. Okay, well, hey, you heard it from Ingrid here. Okay, so they're recommending, I heard you correctly, that they want 40 dBA at night. At nighttime, which is like 11 p.m. to 7 a.m. outside and then 30 dBA inside. And that would help you get like a nice restful, restorative sleep. Yeah, yeah. And the thing, I mean, we all know that sometimes

we sleep better and sometimes we don't. And it's like, well, you know, and I am lucky enough to get out of the city on a regular basis. And I don't sleep well here. I sleep maybe five, six hours and even during the day. So you were asking me about at 2 PM, how do I feel about that? Well, I feel just as annoyed at 2 PM as I do at 2

AM because they've distracted me from my work. They've distracted me from whatever I'm doing and it is a hundred percent unnecessary. And so that's where, um where it, it, it bothers me day and night. And I, and I feel the response within my body, you know, and I can tell when I've been in town too long, my, my partner goes, you're starting to get brittle. You need to leave. Okay.

Brittle Ingrid. Now I'm going to read something. I pulled this from your site. Okay. And I'm going to read it verbatim because it really speaks to the health damage that could be caused by all this. But it's what it says. I'll use my reporter voice.

I don't have one. Okay. According to Toronto Public Health's 2017 report, how loud is too loud over 60 percent six zero percent of Toronto residents live in areas that are always Above 55 decibels at all hours at 55 decibels, which is around the level of normal conversation Negative impacts from noise start to occur in our minds and our bodies. I need my mind and my body Okay stress hormones can be released, which can lead to thickening of the arteries, which can lead to strokes and heart attacks. You're scaring me, Ingrid. Sudden noise spikes, even if not loud, cause our bodies to instinctively

respond with the fight or flight response. I can speak to that in a moment. This reduces our ability to fall asleep, concentrate on the task at hand to fall asleep constant kind of Often for those who are repeatedly impacted it creates anger at something they have no control over Okay, so I mean you're not a doctor here, but strokes and heart attacks that sounds like it's bad for you Yeah, it is and I have a history of stroke in my family. So every time those guys go by and I hear them, they wake me up. They are literally taking days off my life. And, and you know, we, so sound

is the first sense that is developed. We hear in the womb, we hear our mother's heartbeat, and then it's the last sound we lose. If you've ever lost a loved one, they may say, I mean, it happened with me when my mom passed away and they were like, she's, well, she's going to go in a couple of hours. She's not coherent anymore. And I said, they said, do you want to say goodbye?

I'm like, well, what's the point? And they said, no, they listen, they can hear, you know? And so that is how important our hearing and how wired our hearing is. And there's a great article that came out yesterday from the BBC and they were saying, they were actually talking about how Sound goes through an area of our ear that then is related to emotion And this is something that I didn't realize I was so angry Mike and I'm not an angry person I want to have you were just dancing. I know I'm a cyclist which means you're a sweetheart

Yeah, yeah, but so so I was so angry and I was just like, how do I get over this? Is this only me? And now when I've talked, I've been to 70 different locations in Toronto where I've done measurements with my sound level meters, cause I wanted data to, to verify what, what I was living through. Cause I don't live in an average. I live, you know, in noise spikes and, um, and people were like, Ingrid, I get so angry. And it's like they disclose this deep, dark secret and they talk about wanting to throw rocks and frozen eggs and slingshots and all kinds of stuff, but they want the pain to stop. This is how I feel when I see a cyber truck. So I can totally relate to this. And the or flight response that speaks exactly to what you're referring to, I think, which is this past weekend, my youngest turned nine

years old. Her birthday was Saturday and therefore there were balloons around and I was just calmly just, I wasn't thinking about balloons. Okay. I saw, I guess if I'm prepared for something, I was completely just focusing on something on my laptop and working something. And then she accidentally popped a balloon, like, I don't know, a foot or two away from my ear. Oh, yeah.

And I can tell you, so right, basically you mentioned fight or flight. I went to full fight mode, like, okay. I don't know what some instinctive thing, but it's like that noise out of nowhere, that loud noise. I was ready to just run through a wall and it was just in my heart. I could feel my heart beating really hard and fast. Yeah, I was ready to just run through a wall and I was it was just in my heart I could feel my heart beating really hard and fast. Yeah, I was I have no control over that response That's not no control over it And it was like I remember even and I felt angry at first and like I knew it wasn't the nine-year-old's fault or anything But I was angry that I was now in this fight response over or whatever Yeah, and that if you I think that might speak, you know, what's happening when it's two in the morning and you hear that, uh, bubble bubble. Yeah.

Yeah. Well, what they do is they go by my window or like they go by the building. And so it's goes from whatever it is inside my place. I mean, and so you look at these condos that they're building now, they're squirrel cages, they're glass squirrel cages. You literally have, you know, I mean, people say, Oh, can you move your bed to the quiet side of the house? I only have one side of the house. Well, do they say, hey, Ingrid, put on a pair of earplugs.

Yeah, and I do when I need to, but you know, I get soggy ears in the morning and I hate soggy ears. I hate soggy ears. And why should I have to have soggy ears because of somebody else? Because what they do is literally like like they just go by the building And then it's all of a sudden. It's like oh, right And I'm not gonna do that to your listeners because I would love to but I wouldn't but that's just the thing and so at night

You know whether you're whether it's at night You might actually not even wake up, but our body wakes up our body responds And that's the thing that that parasympathetic response that we have no control over and so we've been talking about vehicle noise but imagine if it's construction all day all day banging grinding like liberty village has been pummeled by noise between the gardener and the ontario line construction at exhibition and then the events that they have there all can you do construction quieter well so um so a lot of the pneumatic, like a lot of the powered equipment

is sometimes two stroke engines. So that can be done with electric, but also people were talking about it and they're like, well, what if they just used, instead of doing steel on steel, doing a very hard rubber hammer, or somebody else in a meeting, I have so many meetups where I hear from people and they were talking about the wood forms before they, when

they pour concrete and then they take those forms off and they bang them off. Well, maybe there's a quieter way to bang them off. The other thing is that for, in a lot of construction contracts, they talk about noise monitoring, they don't always talk about noise mitigation. And Councillor Paula Fletcher, she, her newsletter is really long with all the Metrolinx and stuff that's happening in her, in her area. And sometimes they say noise mitigation is in place and sometimes they don't, you know, so noise mitigation is possible and it should all, it should be a part of every contract. But the thing is they're like, Oh, well, that's going to cost more money. That's going to, yeah, but you know what? Not having our health costs us money.

It burdens the health care system and it makes our day suck. And then we're, we're at work. Are we really working? Are we really productive? Are we really happy? No, none of that. And as the who, you know, not the band, by the way, the, as the who says, okay, this is number two after air pollution. So it's easier to solve the noise pollution situation than it is to solve the air pollution situation. I think so. Okay, geez, you're making a lot of sense. And when I was talking to some people about this episode, a lot of people are like, maybe, you know, I can, you spoke to this earlier,

but does she know she's living in Toronto? Like when she bought that condo, did she know there was a gardener next door? Yeah, and it wasn't a problem. Wasn't a problem at all. Wasn't a problem, okay. And that's one more thing, I'm gonna take a note. One more thing I can blame Doug Ford for,

because I got a lengthy note, I'm gonna listen to myself on things I can blame Doug Ford for here. And you spoke to some of the actual, having a bad sleep can cause some very serious medical problems. Nobody wants a stroke. I spent a night in a stroke ward. I didn't have a stroke, but I was in danger of having a stroke and I spent a night in a stroke ward. You don't want to be in that stroke ward. St. Joe's there in Parkdale. You don't want to be there. Okay. I escaped after

one night. They wanted me there for much longer and I had to get out of there. I didn't want to be there. Okay. I, I, sorry. I escaped. Yeah. I escaped after one night. They wanted me there for much longer and I had to, I had to get out of there. I didn't want to be there, but luckily I did not have a, I did not have a stroke. So we're going to talk about what's happening on April 1st, but before we get there, I know I'm building up a long story here to get you to April 1st, but you, uh, because I, because I know everything about you, Ingrid, and I'm gonna get a better song than Boudet is the greatest. Okay, could you speak to the not 311 noise report? Like, cause we did, I wanna see if we tied this all together cause we talked about Esri.

Yeah. And this Esri is helping you to process this data, but where's the data coming from? You said something a few minutes ago, like you were going to all these locations with like a noise reader or something and like so maybe some specifics on how you're collecting all this not 3-1-1 noise report data. Yeah well I'm gonna put a little little flag out here is that the data the

website is under work in progress and I'm gonna have a really under construction but it's too loud so we can't say under construction for this episode. It's a work in progress. And that usually happens after 11 o'clock at night. And so we, I'm going to have some really good, I use Story Maps, which is an Esri product. All of my website is basically, it's a WordPress site and now I'm layering in Story Maps. And so we use both crowdsourced and data that I collect with meters. So when I saw the Toronto Public Health health report, how loud is too loud? It was a 24 hour average. maps. And so we use both crowdsourced and data with that I collect with meters. So

when I saw the Toronto Public Health health report to how loud is too loud, it was a 24-hour average. I'm like that's bullshit. I don't live with a 24-hour average. So I bought a sound level meter and and I was able to count. Where do you buy that? Like at the source? Where are you going to buy this sound level meter? The first one I bought actually through Cirrus. They are a proper noise, well they both are. So one is from the UK and it was a really expensive meter because I didn't quite know what I was getting, but it's the Cadillac version and I still don't

know exactly everything to do with it, but I'm gonna learn. The other ones are actually Canadian made from a company called Convergence Instruments and they're based in Quebec. Oh sorry, I just did something. By the way, the Palma Pasta box is here because I'm the way, the Palma pasta box is here because I'm gonna give you a Palma pasta lasagna that's in my freezer right now. No way. You can enjoy that.

They make delicious Italian food. Okay, so John is this significant other here. Does he think Toronto is too noisy? Yeah. Well, what he doesn't like is what Toronto does. He told me, he told me, I don't like how noisy Ingrid gets when Toronto is too noisy. She uses a lot of swear words. It's not the vanity noise that bothers me, it's how angry it makes Ingrid. So I am giving you a lasagna here and then I'm also going to give you some fresh craft beer. You mentioned Made in Canada. This is Made in South Etobicoke. Fabulous. And Ridley Funeral Home, and hopefully those strokes and those artery thickenings and all these terrible things

that happens because of the noise taking away our good night's sleep. Yeah. Ridley Funeral Home at 4th and Lake Shore, they've sent over a measuring tape. Every girl needs a measuring tape and that's the kind of thing. Measure what you wish.

There we go, well is it, we already measured. What are you measuring? Oh, Ingrid working blue here, oh my goodness. I was gonna make a very wholesome joke about how you're measuring the decibels. And you went straight to a penis joke. Well, you know, it goes along with vehicles. But anyway, so not 311 in order to report. So this was where I tried to report moving vehicle noise to the city.

They don't do anything with moving vehicles. It's Toronto police. So then I tried to call the police. Well, they wanted a license plate. They wanted a picture of the vehicle. They wanted a description. I'm like, it's Toronto police. So then I tried to call the police. Well, they wanted a license plate, they wanted a picture of the vehicle, they wanted a description. I'm like, it's 3 30 in the morning. I don't have any of that. This is bullshit. Also, that car is now 100. It just doesn't work. And I'm like, okay, so how am I going to make how am I going to show that this doesn't work? So I created what was called the not

three one one noise report. And it started off with just moving vehicles vehicles and then it went to a whole bunch of other things because people wanted waste collection they wanted pickle balls they wanted sirens they wanted horns they wanted all this all so you say pickle ball yeah is that noisy yeah really and it's like a today I learned okay please continue okay so I started the not 311 noise report to get attention and to make a point that a the city had an incomplete data set because at that point they weren't taking moving vehicle reports. They also weren't taking leaf blower reports that were suck relief. Yeah. Well, they blow and suck at the same time. They're very special. And so multi-talented. So

they, so I was like well you need to take leafblower reports at all times because how are you gonna know if something is getting worse or getting better? Like with your changes in implement because they're supposed to be banning leafblowers right? So this was all about data and making a point that the city didn't have a full data set. So the good news is is that now we can report moving vehicles to the city. It just becomes a data point, but at least you can do it. Now there's a place that they have a dropdown menu, but there's still, it's still Toronto police services that does moving. But what, so what is your hope? Like when somebody, uh, I'm picking on the motorcyclist,

because I know Joe Louis is listening. So this is a shout out to Joe Louis. Joe, when the motorcyclists are going by the condo on the Gardner and they're making that noise that wakes you up. And by the way, one more thing. So when even the balloon popped, okay, it wasn't nighttime, but when the balloon popped and the heart starts going, if that, if in the middle of the night you get something that wakes you up like that, you can't just fall asleep. No, no.

It's like when you hear something, you go up, you look out the window. Now you've got this like heightened anxiety, which you need to calm down and go back to bed. You're up for a while. Yeah. And then sometimes what I like to do is in order to relax as I take a shower and then they in my vent, my condo, the Harleys join me in the shower. So I saw a photo of you in the bathroom with your headphones on. Now that explains it's a strange photo till you get this backstory here. Yeah, well it's Harley's. Yeah I hear them everywhere. I do not have a single place in my home where I do not hear moving motor vehicle noise. None. Okay. So anyway so what is it that you want the police to do when you hear

that motorcyclist at 2 in the morning? Actually what I've learned is I don't want them to do anything because I want automated enforcement. I had three different meetings with Toronto Police Services and they described to me the process that it is to enforce this Highway Traffic Act 75.1, you shall not modify your muffler, basically. And it's broken. The whole process is broken. And so either, because they're not going to chase a moving vehicle.

I don't want them to do that. No, they're not. And so, no. And so that's where now in New York City, they actually have noise cameras and that they are actively targeting, so identifying, targeting and ticketing moving vehicles. And I had that person, I had that company into Toronto City Hall on December 9th. And so I am bringing solutions to City Hall because that's the thing with noise. People don't know that. Oh, it's always noisy. Cities are noisy. That's a bunch of bullshit.

We can, we can do better. We can do better. Cause that's what I was hit with. And it is kind of a easy, lazy way out. It's a lazy way out. Yeah. You live in a big city. Yeah. There's noise in a big city. Deal with it, Ingrid. Yeah, no. But you're saying we don't have to accept and tolerate this. We don't have to move away to find us a good night's sleep. And finally, if you move away, like, so we can hear vehicle noise. The one vehicle that really started all of this off was during the pandemic when it was nice

and quiet and it was one motorcycle. And I heard it and and I thought I'm going to time you, you bastard. So it was, I timed it on my watch. I think this was Joe Louis, keep going. And it was 10 minutes and I knew from where I live, approximately how far away that was, and that was about 7k. And so that was one drop in our soundscape at that time. And so the thing that's changed with noise is there's more modifies modified We know there's now more vehicles than there was at that period of time and it's also hitting the wealthier people typically noise is an equity issue Because it's loud arterials and it's people that don't have air conditioning Let's say in their homes and they have to open their windows and all this other stuff You want to talk about people that are blind how they need to navigate the city

They use their ears. And I have a friend who's blind and she says, you know, if I'm beside a trucker by a construction site, she has no clue what is around her, you know. So it's an equity thing as well and that's where it's affecting rich, poor, everybody now. And I think that's the big difference. That's why we've got so much support is because everybody's impacted. You can live in a $10 million home, but if your neighbors are blasting amplified music every single day and you can't enjoy your home, you know, then, then, and you try and talk with them and they're a bunch of jerks. What do you do?

Well, it depends on the music, right? Well, it does, but you know, No, I hear you. You're making, you are making great points here. So what's so special about April 1st, 2025? What is happening on that date? Yeah, so I've been learning the civic engagement process, and that's where change happens. And change happens by showing up over and over and over again. So in January of 2024, we had the noise bylaw review. The city did public consultations in the fall, all this stuff. I started to get no more noise going. We got a name, we got a logo, everything is good.

And on January 6th, I think it was, was the noise bylaw review day. And we had 40 people make deputations. They spoke to city council about how noise impacts their health. They didn't speak to city council. Sorry. They spoke to the economic and community development committee. Okay. And chair Bravo said, there's a noise action

plan that Toronto public health put out. We should revisit that. And they did that before the pandemic in 2019. Okay. So this is that meeting where Toronto public health is going to report back on their 2019 noise action plan. And the noise action plan was basically a bunch of requests to different city departments

because Toronto Public Health has zero authority when it comes to noise. Okay, very exciting. So what's happening again, the Board of Health meeting, this is the Board of Health meeting? That is correct. Okay. And they're going to the Toronto Public Health is going to report to the Toronto Board of Health on this noise action plan from 2019. Yeah. Which has been delayed because we had to deal with this pandemic and many things was put on mute. Mute. Would you like,

right? You're pro mute. That's, that's, that's, that's something you'd be okay with. Yeah. The harmful noise levels in Toronto, they're both under-reported and they're ignored, say you, Ingrid Boudet. Yeah, they are. Because they're not, you can't report all noises. And when it comes down to the actual enforcement process, people feel ignored. The 311 is the intake process, which is then complicated how it goes to municipal licensing and standards. And I'm really lucky to have a good relationship with municipal licensing and standards. And noise is 10% of their job. Okay. I'm going to ask you in moments, I'm going to ask you, what the heck you want?

What do you want? Because you've convinced me, like, what do you want Ingrid? And we're going to give it to you here. I have friends, I have friends in high places. Okay. You've come to the right place. Okay. We're going to find out what you want, but I got to give you kudos here because I have been, sometimes I waffle like between when you live, decide to live in Toronto, you kind of sign a, and this is me speaking for myself, you sign a social contract that it's going to be noisy. Like this is, this is something speaking for myself, you sign a social contract that it's gonna be noisy. Like this is something I think, it's like whenever I hear someone complain about noise,

I'm like, it's a big city, like that's a big city problem. And then I kind of brush it off or whatever. But you do, you make some compelling arguments and you're making some good points. We don't have to settle for this. Our health is at risk because of this vanity noise, this unnecessary noise. And I think what you've done with No More

Noise Toronto, like you built this thing. This is like a grassroots organization that you founded and I'm impressed by you. Thank you. Kudos to you, Ingrid Boudet. You know what, I was so angry and I thought I've got skills, I've got, you know, I don't mind being a ham, I don't mind talking to people. You got Esri. And I got Esri. Yeah, well I didn't have Esri initially, but I knew that I wanted to connect with universities. So I've now worked with five University of Toronto students, one Toronto Metropolitan University where Dr. Tor Oyama is, and he is one of the best and well-known researchers on health experts on noise, specifically traffic noise. And so I thought, okay well

I'm gonna use the Cadillac and I'm gonna see what I can do and because of those relationships and now Esri is also a huge supporter and we actually have a meeting with them tomorrow. And your points about a beat an equity issue really strike home with me that it's the those in the lowest income bracket that live in louder areas. Yeah and the people like anybody who's neurodivergent right like that's where anybody on the autism spectrum or even so this is also sleep is so important to our health and this is where if you have an injury if you're recovering if you there was somebody

who didn't, who had a deputation about, um, noise and it was about leaf blowers and she was recovering from a concussion. And she said the leaf blower noise just was, made her cry, just to sob, you know? And so, and, and we have no protection. We have no protection. And as you wrote on no more noise, toronto.com, no way is the new secondhand

smoke. You wrote that. Yeah. And you know, like I that's that's one analogy of it. I mean, because it's we would never think about going to a restaurant and sharing a table with somebody next door that, you know,

having having a smoking section. And so back to, you know, your comment smoking section. And so back to, you know, your comment about social contract. So yeah, you live in a city and you think it's loud and that's part of the social contract. There's also a social contract of consideration. And that is what is lacking, that people think that their noise is okay.

And, you know, and the standard, you know, like I've had people that when they've got neighbour to neighbour noise and it's coming over the back fence and it's the base noise and it's coming over the back fence and it's the base beats and it's been going on for five or six hours and can we just tone it down and they say, oh, fuck off, this is my right, I can do whatever I want. Especially during the day.

Yeah, people want to enjoy their backyards, they want to enjoy their homes and if they can't enjoy their homes, where they're supposed to relax. Well, they'll call you a buzz kill, right? A killjoy. Shout out to the killjoys. I've been called that a number of times, you know? And if they knew me-

They'll stop inviting you to parties. Well, if they did, they'd know that I like to dance. I saw that. I hope the camera caught it. Are you kidding me? I saw you dance there. Okay. So April 1st is really important

because if we don't speak up, that's when the so so with the civic engagement process, one thing leads to another. So that meeting in January of 2024 led to April 1st. And what we're looking for is some motions and some yeah, so break, go slowly here. I need to drink this in. What exactly are you looking for in Gravouday? What do you want? Can you hit pause on that part? There's no pause on Toronto Mic'd here. Oh shit!

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thinking but I do not have a pause button. I remove it. That is good. That is good. Well, the reason why I asked for pause is because literally I've been clarifying them over the last 24 hours and it's now just up on my website. So I've got new tiles here. So, okay. So what do we want? So the first thing is we want is we want the Toronto Board of Health to direct Toronto Public Health to expand their definition of the health impacts of noise in line with international guidelines from the World Health Organization. Who? The who? That's the joke. The who? The who? It's like who's on first? Okay, what's on second? I don't know who's on third. So what that means is that I actually was lucky enough to be invited to be part of Councillor

Moyes who's also the chair of the Board of Health on his recent noise town hall. And Toronto Public Health had a slide where they were just saying the cardiovascular impacts of noise are much less than smoking, drinking, eating, and they mentioned one other thing that I can't remember right now. And I'm like, no, it's not just the cardiovascular impacts. It's the sleep deprivation. It's the anxiety, increase in anxiety and depression. It's the frustration.

It's all of these other things. You mentioned neurodivergent people. Absolutely. And it's the equity piece. Absolutely. It's the equity piece. Absolutely. So that's number one. So we want them to look beyond just cardiovascular impacts. Okay.

That's number one. Number one. Number two, to create policies to address the harmful effects of noise pollution on the Toronto public. The Toronto Board of Health must ask the province to include harmful sound in the Healthy Environments and Climate Change Guideline 2018 in requirement seven. So to unpack that, I had a meeting. I am so lucky to have meetings with Toronto Public Health as well. What are they, when you say, hey, can we meet? Are they like, oh, it's Ingrid again. She's going to be honest about the noise. No, because I'm fun.

Do you bring them like donuts or something? No, but I say thank you. I say thank you a lot. That's very Canadian. So the thing is when, so I had a meeting with Toronto Public Health and they brought up this document, Healthy Environments and Climate Change Guideline 2018 and they showed me requirement seven. And they said, Ingrid, unless noise is listed here, we can't do anything about it. So you want that to be listed there? I want that to be listed there.

Even if you're having trouble sleeping because of these damn spikes in this unnecessary noise and the vanity noise, you should just read Healthy Environments and Climate Change Guideline 2018. It'll put you right to sleep. That will make me angry. So I searched the document, Control F for noise, nothing, sound, nothing, so many documents. So the only place that I really saw noise and sound

was when they had documents relating to the environment. When it comes to relating to people, noise and sound is not mentioned. Okay, so now we got a couple of things you want. You wanna expand that definition that the Toronto Public Health has about the health impacts of noise to make it equal to what WHO has, the World Health Organization. WHO? And you're going to, you know, you want to create policies to address the harmful effects of noise pollution on the Toronto Board of Health to ask the province to include harmful sound in the healthy environments and climate change guideline

2018 in requirement seven to be very, very specific. Yeah. Okay. Yep. And then we've got one more. Okay. Last but not least, I was had a drum roll for you to reduce the increasing noise levels in the city. The Toronto Board of Health must coordinate with other city divisions, such as Toronto police Services to effectively address this issue. Let's talk and more action. So an example of that is when I go to report moving vehicle noise to 311, they will actually have it as a little

drop-down menu and I'm like so does that data then go to Toronto Police Services and they're like we don't know and then when I talk to Toronto Police Services I'm like well so do you get data from 311 and they're like we we don't know. And then when I talked to Toronto police services, I'm like, well, so do you get data from 311? And they're like, we don't think so. So that's the thing is this is the broken processes. Noise goes across housing, police, health, equity, accessibility, it's across. So we just need to coordinate all of that. And it sounds like to summarize this in a nutshell is make it a priority because right

now it's not. It's not. It's not even on the radar. And you know, I'm guessing that they're like, we can't police this because this modified muffler, you mentioned Doug Ford got rid of the, what was it called again? Drive clean. Drive clean. I was like, for years I had the deal with this thing.

Okay. And then when I got rid of my car, it disappeared. I know. It was all like, oh, now I just ride a bike and I'm pretty sure it's pretty clean, that bike. Okay. Well, depends who you ask. It depends who you ask. But the fact is that it's not a priority. They, you know, if you did hear that sound

at two in the morning, where does it go to, what to happen? What do we do? Yeah, what do you do? Who protects Toronto? So noise was studied on the, on, on the workplace, right? To, for employers to protect their, to, um,

um, to reduce their liability, right? So it was all about hearing loss and 85 decibels and exposure over a certain amount of time. That's where noise has been studied. It is not, you know, are regulated, I should say. It has not been regulated in the public environment. And that's the thing is, is who protects the public?

We know who protects the worker. We do not know who protects the public. So you'll be at this these meetings on the April 1st with bells on that's loud. Have you considered the noise you'll make of these bells? Okay. Maybe it's actually maybe a low hum or something. Yeah. Well, I'm actually not even allowed. It's right on the right on the screen when you go in that you cannot bring noise making equipment into City Hall.

Are you allowed to record? It's recorded, it's streamed live on YouTube. So there's the City has a YouTube channel. And so on April 1st at 9.30 in the morning is when the Board of Health meeting starts. I'm now like invested. Like I'm now, I know because of this visit, I now care. And I can tell you from 9. a.m. till 1230 p.m. is and I mean well I mean I need to talk

to you after this to find out if you're happy or not that would be awesome so leading up to April 1st we're gonna have an email campaign and so I've actually got ads on zoomer radio to direct people to the website and then we're gonna get people to send emails and you bought ads on Zuma radio I did Moses Neimer owns yeah radio yeah I had the morning show guy over last week did you Andy Wilson is his name and he's also the program director at okay so so yeah so we've got lots of stuff going on and we're we we're gonna have stuff going on and we're going to have an email campaign and we're going to have emails for different noise sources because I've learned, you know,

if sirens are your thing, so I didn't have a working group meeting for sirens in the last month and a half because I had 22 other meetings and they're like, where are sirens? So okay, we're going to do one for sirens in April, just so you know, just so everybody's happy. But everybody, there's going to be different emails for different noise sources. And I can make an email list that goes, that includes the Ministry of Ministry of Transportation. I can include all kinds of things. So we're going to make some noise in people's inboxes. Okay. That's the kind of noise we're in favor of. Okay. So this is all happening. Again,

it's been awesome to get you on. I know how I want to close this. So thank you so much for dropping by. And I love the fact you biked here. And funny because when we wrap, I got to go on a little bike ride myself. So it's good to see a fellow. And also today's again, the day this drops is not the day it was recorded, although near near similar close enough. But this particular day, because I feel like when you're listening to this, you'll be like, Oh, Mike, it's 15 degrees outside. But the day we're recording is not a warm day it's around zero or something I don't know it's a kind of a cold day. Yeah one or two degrees yeah. Right so when I see a cyclist out in one or two degrees I'm like I know I'm gnawed and I give you that you know that proving gnawed

like I like the cut of your jib is what I'm telling you. There you go. So on our way out there is a documentary commissioned by Hot Docs in this documentary which I have seen, I watched it for the Esri recording we did a couple years back. It's called, Do You Hear What I Hear? And you are featured in this documentary. So fun, so fun.

Can people watch? Like if somebody just heard Ingrid Boudet and they wanna see more of you in this doc, which summarizes it all kind of perfectly. Where can you see? Like, do you know where you can see? Do you hear what I hear? It's on Crave.

And if you just search Citizen Minutes, it'll be on there, but you can also go to nomorenoisetoronto.com and see our featured media list and everything that I've been on. I was working with somebody and they were like, Oh, Ingrid, you've been on a lot of media. And I'm like, great. I don't know how I rate with others, but it's right there as well. It's on featured media scroll down and there it is. Will this episode of Toronto mic'd be showcased on that page on no more noise?

Absolutely. I'm honored. Have you ever been on CNN? No. Ingrid, I have. No. Yeah. On you ever been on CNN? No. Well Ingrid, I have. No. Yeah, on Friday I was on CNN. Woo. Woo.

I think I did see that on Blue Sky, right? Yeah, well just happened. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Again, I had recording data, it just happened. Yeah. So I just wanted to- Congratulations. Do a humble brag on our way out here

that I was on CNN, Ingrid. But Ingrid, I hope you're on CNN soon. You're doing important work and thanks for sharing your story with us. This was awesome. It is my pleasure and thanks for sharing your story with us. This was awesome. It is my pleasure and thanks Mike for all that you do. And it's just been a pleasure. More on that Ingrid, I can make time.

What more do I do? Well, you do lots of things. I've what? Lots of all the bands and the artists that come on and you're a music guy. I'm the only podcast in town that's gonna do a deep dive on change of heart. Right? That's what I care about. Ian Blurden and the gang dropping by. There you go. Praise from Caesar.

Thank you, Ingrid. We'll work on another song for you. It won't be Boudet, it's the greatest day, but we'll work on something. We'll work on something. That's awesome, Mike. I wish you and everybody else a good sleep. And that brings us to the end of our 1,657th show. Go to torontomic.com for all your Toronto Mike needs. New partners are always welcome. That's mike at torontomike.com if you have questions about that. Much love to all who made this possible. That's Great Lakes Brewery, Palma Pasta, RecycleMyElectronics.ca,

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