Toronto Mike'd: The Official Toronto Mike Podcast - Noah Mintz: Toronto Mike'd #785

Episode Date: January 12, 2021

Mike chats with Noah Mintz about his tumultuous history with Jian Ghomeshi, playing with his high school bud Paul Hayden Desser, forming hHead with Brendan Canning, the 1993 New Music Search by CFNY, singing Take for Hayden, Broken Social Scene, being the mastering master and more.

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I'm Mike. From torontomike.com and joining me this week is Noah Mintz. Welcome, Noah. Thank you. It's funny you mentioned that earlier because I consider myself not only anything but also everything. Then you're in the right place, my friend. You know, this is a highly anticipated episode and you're going to understand understand why like i'm serious as it unfolds because you're you're referenced on toronto mic'd an awful lot i don't know if your ears have ever been burning or anything like that

uh i i i i've resolved 2020 what year is this 2021 is my in my year of podcast so i haven't really been listening i listen to the Daily every morning, and then I'm burned out. So it's like I haven't really... I listen to books on audio, and this is my year of podcasts. So I'm starting to make the leap into listening to podcasts. There's a lot of podcasts out there. Well, there's only about a million of them,

so you got some catching up to do. I'll get started. Yeah, it's all right. What else am I doing anyway? And how many, you know, there's a million podcasts, but how many literally discuss Thorne Lee?

Like, let me give you a little context here, okay? So every, since the pandemic hit in mid-March, every Friday I've been meeting with Cam Gordon. He's the communications director at Twitter Canada

and Stu Stone and they're buddies from Thorne Lee and we talk a lot like they drop Thorne Lee. I didn't go to Thorne Lee or anything but they drop Thorne Lee references all the time. So instead of starting with head which is like where I might have started I'm going to play you a minute

from our last episode of Pandemic Friday on Toronto Mike. So the next voices you hear are going to be at Stu and Cam chatting me up and they got questions for you. So listen up, Noah. Mike serious question or serious request. Can you ask Noah what the music scene was like at Thornley?

I also would like to know, cause I know he wasn't a band with Hayden. I'm just curious what Noahah and paul hayden desser thought of like the moxie furbis guys if there's any overlap in bands um if you wouldn't mind if time permits i'd love to are you kidding me i'll open with that shit so what's so uh do you mind asking him and this is a bit more of a stretch but is he aware of me does he know who i am because i'm a huge fan. Does he know me? Yeah. Well, what about

the 24 t-shirts? Let's leave that out of it. Let's move on. Okay, so hold on. Who were some of the other bands that were there? Moxie Fruvis? Moxie Fruvis, Hayden. Of course. There was a band called Polito that was, I

assume, named after a Dinosaur Junior song. Zygote. I feel like Zygote. Oh, the Scam Artists. This is going to be... Paper Quarter 3. And ask if he ever played at Sway. Sway is an acronym.

S-W-E. Some Wonderful Entertainment. That was like the talent show at Thornley. I would love to know if Noel Mintz was a headliner at Sway. His brother was a Thornley controversial political figure. He was the student council president that was

impeached. Absolutely. Okay, there's a lot there to unpack, my friend. There's a lot. Okay, let's just get right into it right okay i'm ready because i got some stories and this is these are exclusive stories that they've been told a few times in fact once it was told to the perpetrator of the crime uh at while i was extremely drunk and when we get to that part you'll i reveal who that was although when we are talking about thornley and music and controversial only a few people come to mind one specifically but anywho we will get to that so yes sway sway was uh my first year at thornley uh sway was the thing to play and uh

i went to my very first sway and i was supposed to perform a version of somebody by Depeche Mode with somebody playing piano for me and I got cut because I was in grade nine so I never got to perform it I I'm sure it was it would have been terrible uh but I I did not get to perform it i did i did uh watch that entire sway and i would say about the 40 performances uh and this is the first of many times i'm going to mention this name uh jean gomeshi was was was was in about half of those performances notably he played uh the dx7 drums which is the yamaha synthesizer on Sweet Dreams Are Made of These for someone singing. He was just playing the drum part on the DX7. I did not very early on in my thornly career or studies.

Grade nine, I did not like Jean-Gomeschi very much. studies uh grade nine i i did not like jean-gomes very much in him playing him playing the the the drums on the dx7 i thought was super cool but i i had a big conflict there uh he would sell his tall new buildings albums out of the his locker when i first got into thornley and he was the president of the school that year as well wow Wow. The Tall New Buildings was the early contention of, you know, pre-Moxie Fruvis, and it was non-acapella. And their hit song was, I believe it was either called or had the chorus of Fashion in Your Eye. And it went, the chorus was, Fashion in your eye,

fashion in your eye, fashion in your eye, eye, eye, eye. Wow. And I remember in grade nine being extremely impressionable and nervous around those guys. I still didn't really like them very much. I mean, they were the nicest guys, but I didn't know them. But I'm going to really get into this, all right? We're going to unload here. They're going to love this.

So go as deep as you can here. Go as deep as I can. So this is not only the story of Noah and Thornley. This is the story of Noah and John Gomeshi. So it'll really go along here. So then for grade 10, I actually went to Unionville because it was a school of the arts. And whether it was grade 10 or grade 11 because i spent two years there i did i didn't really jive with the unionville people so i kept

hanging out with my thornley friends and they'd come pick me up and quickly learn that you don't invite thornley people or thornhill people to unionville parties because because they just steal everything so i got i got the very very first party I went to in Unionville was the last because I wasn't allowed back because all my friends stole everything. So anyway, so grade 10 or 11, whatever it was, I auditioned to be part of the musical. And the director of the musical, I was called like news people or something. I don't remember anyway. And it was, it was the director of the musical. I just called like news people or something. I don't remember anyway. And it was, it was the director of the musical and the person I had auditioned for was

none other than John Gomeshi. I don't know. He was already in university at that point. And the teacher maybe had come from Thornley to, to Unionville. And I had auditioned for John Gomeshi and I wasn't so happy about it I I did my best I I could sing a little bit I I certainly couldn't dance and definitely could not act but I I did my I did my best and John Gomeshi did not allow me to be in that production

of the news people or whatever it was so I already had a bit of a gripe against him so then i got tired of unionville and went to thornley and uh my uh my first year my first sort of week there i was like i really want to join a band you know and then a couple like cool dudes and bands and stuff like that and then but then there were these like nerdy guys who played like rem and u2 and uh peter gabriel and uh genesis like lots of those covers and they're nerdy guys like the keyboard player was uh kind of one of the guys who'd walk around with the the uh piano scarf right yes and the guitar player would always wear a hat like would never it was like sort of a bowler hat would never take it off and would wear like black and white and sit in the

hallways play guitar and uh that was that was paul desser uh now known as hayden wow and i was like these are my guys these are the guys these are the guitar people music the music nerds i want to be in a band with and they're like i'm like they're like do you like rem i'm like i like rem do you like rem they're like yeah we like rem and they listed off a bunch of other bands i didn't care for like peter gabriel and russian and uh all the prog rock stuff and i'm like yeah we can work on that, but, but we have a mutual, uh, I know I wasn't, it wasn't affection for mutual affection towards REM. And it wasn't a sway particularly that we're going to audition or planning for, but we basically became a band to play the lunchtime concert. Wow. That was our very first gig. Uh, and I think we did, we did, uh,

uh, pride, uh, in the name of love you too i don't think i actually sang that one um because it was i was just in the band for a week but then we did a version of uh if i remember correctly uh it was superman rem's cover of Superman right I am Superman and I can do anything and that like basically cemented a friendship between uh Josh Malinsky Mitch Roth Adam Fingret Gavin Brown on drums who we can talk about in a minute um and uh Paul Desser better known as hayden wow and we all became like super good buds and uh we had we had we had found gavin was who was in grade nine at the time i was in grade 12 and they were in grade 11 and gavin was in grade nine and gavin ended up like let's sort of fast forward with gavin gavin when he ended up quitting our band he he joined Flag Camp, which was Eric Cheneau and Sean Dean, Sean of the Sadies. Wow.

Yeah. And Flag Camp were already playing like shows stateside at that time. They were super into hardcore and they were doing pretty cool music. And so when we broke up in our first year together, our band was called Entangled. And we broke up for like a week. Right. Like, you know, we had like a band meeting and decided we were like irreconcilable differences. And we broke up.

And then after a week, we're like, I can't live without you. But then Gavin didn't want to join back up because Gavin already joined up with Flegcam. Wow. So we found a drummer actually in unionville and we practiced for our very first gig um in brampton right beside the cfny building wow yeah a place called spankies and uh we even had a dress rehearsal where we all dressed up exactly how we were going to dress on stage right and we showed up for that gig and it was um uh it was closed the uh the venue was closed when we showed up for our first gig literally closed closed down they didn't bother to tell us of course um so that was our

first not happening gig our second not happening gig gig was we were actually opening up for tall new buildings at, at, at Thornhill park. Okay. It was like Thornhill day or something. And we were to bring the drums. So we showed up and this is the story I told John when I was really drunk.

And, and we showed up and set uh, set up and did a little kind of sound check. Um, and, uh, you know, we left our drums on stage cause the, we were brought the drums for tall new buildings. Right. And, uh, then like across the field, you see the building. Oh, we lost you here, Noah. Hold on. Are you muted?

Hold on. Time out. I can't hear you right now. Okay. You there? Yeah. Okay. You mentioned you're responsible for bringing the drums and then we lost you for like 20 seconds okay yeah because the um my phone started ringing i don't know why that happened but whatever i'll know for next time to cancel that anyway so we were responsible for bringing the drums we set up the drums and then we see tall new buildings

walking towards us um across the field and they just got back from Germany and they were wearing what was like really cool in Europe at the time these like like super baggy white t-shirts and then super baggy jeans or super rolled up right and uh and I was like look and they looked like you know super cool and douchey at the same time uh and so like John kind of walks up to me he's like hey we just got back from germany i'm like yeah cool whatever anyway he's like he's like so we got a gig at the bamboo tonight and i'm like yeah again i don't care that's cool and he's like so we got to get down and sound check for that so that's why we had you bring your drums i'm like all right whatever and he's like yeah so no i said you're gonna go on after us what he's like you're gonna go on after us because

we got a gig at the bamboo tonight downtown toronto i'm like yeah i go we're like this is our first show we're not gonna go on after you he you. He's like, this is the way it is, man. It's how it works in this business. So I'm like, all right, band meeting. And, and then, uh,

we all got together and, uh, and I, I told them what was going on. And Josh Malinsky was like, I remember like, what do you want to do? And he's like,

Hayden's like, I don't want to play. And I'm like, yeah, I don't really want to play either. I don't want to do and he's like hayden's like i don't want to play and i'm like yeah i don't really want to play either i don't want our first gig to be like after tall new buildings or all their their douchey friends go home and i'm like forget it i like so i'm like are we going to cancel our first gig he's like yeah it's like so i'm like so fine so i went to jean i'm like hey man we're like we're going to go home, and we're going to take our drums. And he's like, we need your drums to play. I'm like, sorry, man.

We don't want to go in after you, so we're not going to play. He's like, you're never going to play in this town again. In my head, that's what he said. I don't know. And imagine me really drunk, like dating his best friend at the time. And like, you're like you're such an asshole we like took our drums and we went home we're like fuck you it's like and he's like john's like i don't even remember this man i'm like like what happened

anywho wow so that was our and then so our first actual real gig besides like we did battle the band so we played those like like right kind of infame infamous infamously we played those but you have a name yet like do you have a name for this band yet we were called entangled all right sorry yes of course yes yes yeah entangled entangled and and uh and johnny dovercourt wrote about us like two two lines about us in his book any night of the week which is the only time entangled other than a

picture in the Toronto Star of us you can look if you have a Toronto Public Library subscription you can look for it entangled we were playing uh arena day at the promenade that was our first real kind of gig outside of battle of the bands

was was was rena foundation day at the promenade mall wow now before i get too far removed from the stew stone and cam gordon intro there uh stew really wanted to know if you've heard of him. Just be honest with me. Have you ever heard of Stu Stone? I mean, the name sounds familiar, but trying to remember people from high school. Right. I mean, come on.

Okay. I didn't even drink or do drugs or anything, and I still remember nothing about high school. Well, he went on to do like, he's had kind of an amazing career. Like he was in Donnie Darko, and he was on A Voice in the magic school bus and uh he had a rap album of jamie kennedy that sold 300 000 copies yeah it's kind of amazing but he's a thorn league guy and cam gordon did you know the director of communications for twitter canada was like a thorn league guy wow there you go they're probably friends with um with with harvey harvey uh

harvey uh uh my brain is not hey i don't know like this is not my scene i'm i'm i'm way south of that but uh harvey glazier harvey glazier who did like directed like drake videos and stuff like that and won like grammy sport wow okay one one name uh they reference is dj farbzy that's a name i've heard so i don't know okay so here let's do this this is amazing uh i want to find out uh about head so um like because once we get you introduced to head i'm going to play a little bit of uh flower actually and then i'm going to play a clip from this is how often you're referenced on the podcast here is that the very last episode I dropped,

you were a major talking point in this episode because I had the guys on from Ubiquitous Synergy Seeker. And Ashley Boo Schultz... Well, anyway, we were talking Head, but why don't you help us... Give us the origin story for Head

and then I'll jump into all that stuff. I kind of give a funny, uh, USS story first though. Yeah, of course. Yeah.

Cause, cause I could say this pretty honestly cause, cause I turned around, but I didn't really like their first single. Oh, uh, that's hollow point sniper. Hyperbole.

I didn't like it. I, I thought it was, I didn't like the song at all. And I've subsequently liked pretty much everything they've released after that. So I have to say I like the band. But I did not like that first single. And then I got a call to do some mastering for them.

And I'm like, oh, wow. Out of all these bands, like this band, I don't even like their music called. And then I talked to the guys and they're like, we're big fans of yours. You influenced us. Oh, no. The one band, I don't like their music. I even influenced them. the guys and they're like we're big fans of your like you influenced us right yeah well no the one one day i don't like their music i i even influenced them but no you know like ash particularly like well anyways him and i broke in we started singing your stuff just for this episode man like uh he and did i can't i got confused in the story but did your brother work on their artwork or is

there there's some's something in a band together i think called church bus or one of them was in their brother like i'm not sure the origin story there i've talked to ash many times since then right uh he's a good dude and a great a very original songwriter right his no nothing his stuff sounds like nobody else's like talk about a band that's like not derivative at all right benn been at sites so many influences and it ends up being completely not derivative like honestly nobody sounds like uss they're a really interesting unique band for sure um anyway but no yeah my brother was connected with them and they were fans of rash's fans of head and yeah, the sweetest guys in the world.

So, okay, so yeah, so let's do the Head origin story. I'll play a little Head and then my Ash part has a lot to do with the 1993 New Music Search compilation from CFNY, so I've got to get the

story there and then we can bring Hayden back into the fold because, you know, but here the floor is back. It's back to you, Noah. Okay. So head, basically I met Brendan in university. Um, he was like, it was the first week I was there and, uh, I hated it. Like I thought like everybody was like total dorks and, and, and I was more of a dork but it was like it was just like saint catherine's ontario brock university a bunch of underachievers and it was it was they were not like fun people and then there was like a dance and i was like

so bored and then there was like they were playing like ministry and there was this like redheaded literal dork dancing like a dork and it's like and like by himself to ministry and i was like i went to my buddy cory who was my roommate and i'm like i'm like that guy we're gonna be friends well was it uh jesus built my hot rod is that what you he was dancing to one of those songs yeah and i i really walked up to him like dude i think i think i think we gotta be friends and he's like oh yeah i'm like you play guitar he's like yeah i go i play guitar too i'm like yeah i go well well like start a band he's like yeah we just and and we became instant friends at that moment like instant friends you know it's wild to me that at this young age in your life, you've already kind of played with, at this point in your life,

you've played with Hayden and you've played with Brendan Canning. Like, think about that. Like, think about that. I know, it's pretty incredible. And Gavin Brown. Right, oh yeah, sorry. Produced like Metric and worked with like Gord Downie, worked with like a million different people.

and work with like Gord Downie, work with like a million different people. So anyway, so and then I just convinced Brendan to drop out of school with me. And then we and then and then we didn't know what to do. So at Longham Equate, I met these guys who looked like look like they were like huge, like Dinosaur Junior fans. So I walked up to him like hey do you guys like dinosaur junior like like yeah do you i'm like yeah he goes are you guys a band and like yeah it's like we don't have a singer i'm like oh i'm a singer and i'm like it's like can i join your band or like cool like well we need a bass player i'm like all right so i actually asked

hayden to be our bass player but but he sucked on bass and and then so i said hey brennan would you want brennan never played bass before i'm like would you be interested in like playing bass for a band he's like sure so he just picked up the bass started playing bass and then within the year there was like five guys in this band within that year brendan and i basically kicked out every single member of the band until it was just him and i and we're like wow we joined the band kicked everyone else out of it so it was like just him and i are like we don't have a drummer all right what the hell are we gonna do now and then so we just asked this guy who is funny enough the drummer for peach's band with merrill nisker's band fancy pants hoodlum wow and we asked him I go hey we're like we think

we got a little bit more going on than Fancy Pants Hoodlum you want to join us he's like well how can I do both I'm like yep wow and so he joined our band that was Mark and and then and then we just played like crazy we played every gig that was offered to us like ribbly once a month and everything in between. And then they all fast forward to the CFNY. Oh, actually, wait, don't. I'll pause you there. So are you already known as Head?

Yeah. Okay. We named ourselves Head before we kicked everybody out. And is it, I mean, I'm assuming you were Head with one H and then you found out there was a Head with one H, so you had to add an H. Is that what happened there? Kind of. one h and then you found out there was a head with one h so you had to add an h is that what happened there kind of like basically it was uh we were we were passing names back and forth and they all sucked and my contribution was lettuce head and then the other guys were like well we don't really like lettuce head so what about head you know like i didn't like the name no one liked the name and i was like but we were all kind of like fine let's just call that i'm like then brennan's like it was probably another band

name head i mean we couldn't google it at the time right so like i were like well let's just add an h before it small h kind of like fire hose but like like we'll just add a small h before the big h and we're all kind of like fine like honestly none of us like the name yeah we liked adding the small h before even even worse but we just decided to do it it turned out to be kind of a good decision because people recognize the name so and i like oh small h. Oh, small H, big H head. That stylistic decision to go lowercase before the uppercase, I think, was kind of clever. I don't know if you, are you taking credit for that decision or? It was just, it was because of Firehose.

Okay. The band, Mike Watts band. Of course. Yeah, of course. Okay. So they had a small h fire hose so who's the first person to drop the um the infamous i guess the famous line uh we got the h that rhymes with orange lost like like who's the first one to kind of connect those dots so what we did is we came up

with um so um uh we came with a bunch of stickers with different sayings on them right so that was one of them so and that came from actually trigger happy did that first here with a bunch of stickers and one of their stickers was better dead than head okay okay and then and then so we we first did a bunch of stickers that said better dead than head like more stickers than they had right so we were like we were like because they they did that we we did the exact same thing and then we just did a ton of ton of stickers like one of them was a review it was head dot dot dot wasn't into them so we did a bunch of stickers that said that also with the like the like the t-shirt that said that. The big head sucks.

We never did that one. That was a big 90s thing. Just like shit on your own band was something cool to do in the 90s. Self-deprecation. Absolutely. Yeah. And then take every single logo that's out there, but change it to your band's logo. Yes. Like Heineken and all that.

Yeah. Everybody did that. Just everybody. We all got together and decided this is going to be the 90s grunge thing to do. Right. logo yes like like like heineken and all that yeah everybody did that like just everybody it was just like a we all got together and decided this is going to be the 90s grunge thing to do right hey because you mentioned stickers i'm just going to say uh shout out to sticker you.com because they're a sponsor of the program so if anyone out there wants to get those head stickers made up again go to sticker sticker you.com go ahead i've ordered from sticker you.com at least half a dozen times

oh that's awesome they do they do um they do magnetic stickers yeah oh yeah yeah they're they got they do a lot of all the decals behind me are by those guys they do a great job and people kept you know before covid people would come down here in my basement and then they bumped their head on the low ceiling they put up a check your head like sort of like the uh the beastie boys uh album but it's great sticker hey i'm gonna play a little bit of uh flower uh on the low ceiling, they put up a check your head, sort of like the Beastie Boys album. It's a great sticker. Hey, I'm going to play a little bit of Flower. Just a little bit here.

So here's a taste of Flower. And Flower, that's from the first album, right? So that's from Fireman, right? It actually goes all the way back to, I think it's on Potato too, I think. I think it's our first cassette and then we redid it. I think.

I can't remember. So listen up here, a little down memory lane here and then we redid it. I can't remember. So listen up here, a little down memory lane here and then we'll get to that CFNY story. 1 llwy de o fwrdd o fwrdd o fwrdd o fwrdd. 1 llwy de o fwrdd o fwrdd o fwrdd. 1 llwy de o fwrdd o fwrdd. 1 llwy de o fwrdd o fwrdd. 1 llwy de o fwrdd o fwrdd. 1 llwy de o fwrdd o fwrdd.

1 llwy de ffwrdd. Cynhyrchu'r ffwrdd. Cynhyrchu'r ffwrdd. Cynhyrchu'r ffwrdd. Cynhyrchu'r ffwrdd. Cynhyrchu'r ffwrdd. Cynhyrchu'r ffwrdd. Cynhyrchu'r ffwrdd. Cynhyrchu'r ffwrdd. Cynhyrchu'r ffwrdd.

Cynhyrchu'r ffwrdd. Cynhyrchu'r ffwrdd. Cynhyrchu'r ffwrdd. Cynhyrchu'r ffwrdd. Like a flower blocking the dawn by the hour. I'm sitting for the weekend. I'm sitting for the weekend. Loving us way too good. We all go to the weekend. Huge! I was going to break that. It's like, guess what decade that jam is from.

It's like, holy, amazing. So that's recorded by Gail Morningstar, gas station, his first gas station, which was in Liberty Village. Right. And the video was done by Hayden. Hayden, there's a name we're going to hear a lot more of in a little bit here.

But yeah, very cool so that's like you said that's on the you know you said potato it's I think it's on I think it's on I think it's on fireman I don't think it's on potato okay now that now that's not like the first jam I ever heard from head of course is happy let's set it up this way um how tell me about the night just see, I'm trying to think of where do I go? Cause I kind of have to go to Take by Hayden, but of course Happy's on that same disc.

So maybe introduce us to how you end up on the Discovery, what was it called? New Music Search 93? Yeah, Discovery to Disc. Discovery to Disc. I used to collect these things and I had that one and I loved it. And my, honestly, my favorite two jams on that album were happy and take, those are my favorite two cuts on that album. But how did you end up on there?

So, well, we got in the first one, the one before that actually. And, um, that was our first time on radio and it kind of launched us a little bit. Do you remember the CFNY DJ that introduced you the first time?

Do you have any of those memories? Like, I remember listening to it on the radio and the first time they played the song off it okay but I don't remember like the leading up to it okay no worry I just I know those guys I remember being in the car all of us were in the car on Ossington listening to it you're super excited because I was living on uh I was living at a Washington college. That's got to be the moment, right? When you hear your song on the big new rock station in town, that's got to be the moment, right?

That was amazing. Of course it is for everybody. Now it's so different, right? The first time you hear it on Spotify, it's not quite the same. That was good. that was just a contest and you won a you won a like a dumb record deal but wasn't it like a hundred thousand bucks or something not the very first one we were

on right one year before so that was we had this song called ooh and and it's from the cassette and and we won that we won that record deal and we turned it down because it was dumb okay but um um but then the next year we entered it we entered it really seriously because it was a hundred thousand dollar prize right of course we didn't think we'd win but but we entered it we did a um we did a a we're a song heavily influenced by King Cobb Steely. And that was happy. And we even had the percussion player from King Cobb Steely play on it. Wow.

And I still think it's one of our best songs. Like, it wasn't like a hit song or a or a like you know a radio friendly song but it was a i think it was a well-written song that bernard and i equally wrote well okay i will speak for my little circle right and then i have a subsequently doing this podcast i've been introduced into other circles i had the same kind of belief back in the early 90s but i hear what you're saying maybe maybe it wasn't the hit that you know colin james had for five long years i don't know like i'm trying to think of a can't con hit or whatever but i hear what you're saying maybe it wasn't the hit that you know Colin James had for five long years I don't know like I'm trying to think of a Can't Con hit or whatever but I could tell you in certain circles including

mine this was a big fucking deal Happy got like regular rotation at parties in my I'm just saying this song was played alongside you know Smells Like Teen Spirit and you know Pro Jams 10. That's incredible Dead serious. I gotta play a bit.

Can I play a bit and then we come back to happy? Sure. So just a little bit of happy for everybody. I can bring it down. Hold on here. You're coming in at the same channel so I'll bring it down. What were you going to say there before I bring it back up? Which version is this? You know what? I don't

know because I pulled it from my personal collection but you'll tell me actually. Here, here. Where do I begin? Somewhere where you end or is it the other way around?

Words in front of me and you I can't believe The truth here that I have found No, I didn't make a start To let you eat my heart Bite the pretty red into. So pick out all you know. Flush it down, it goes away.

And so does thoughts of you. Can I be happy? Can I be happy? Yeah, no joke, no. We'd be listening to Alice in Chains and we'd go straight to this and it all kind of blended together at that time for me. So, yeah, which version are we listening to? That's Jerk. I think the CFNY version is better. I mean, it doesn't sound as good, but it's got a better vibe and it's got Mike from King Cobb playing percussion on it too. So yeah, I thought I had the Jerk version. Okay, so tell us, does this song win?

I need to know. Does this song win the Discovery to Disc 93 there? Yeah, well, we performed it live on stage that night and my equipment was breaking down. My amp was cutting it out. We just performed it the best we could. We literally flew in just for the show

because we were in Vancouver the night we could we literally flew in just for the show because we we were in vancouver the night before and we played our hearts out i mean everybody knew and i don't this is honest everybody knew lois of the low we're gonna win like everybody knew right like there was no doubt right and and when they it, I just had this like flash of adrenaline like a second before. And it was like, wait, maybe Lois Lolo won't win. Right. And then they said our band's name and we won. And it was like we weren't prepared to win.

We were super surprised. and we won and it was like we weren't prepared to win we were super surprised we were we felt we kind of cheated lowest of the low because they were such a successful band right i think cfny just saw us as like a band with a lot a lot of potential and and and we did like we could have we could have done a lot better than we did if we, you know, pursued things a little better. If we didn't have a couple of things that we didn't make some bad, they weren't bad decisions. They were just decisions that didn't turn out the right way. So we did have potential for sure. We just didn't see it.

Now, so these things you're alluding to, these moments in time that might have changed the course for Head. Like, can you be more specific? Like like does it have to do with rs records uh yeah irs sorry irs records yeah rs records sorry go ahead uh they we never they put out an album we never actually did an album under them because they they folded before we got a chance to record so once a band signed you know major ish, it's very difficult to go anywhere from there. And then our drummer quit. And we were a pretty good unit. And as great as our new drummer was, and the awesome time we had, I kind of already had checked out at that point. I wasn't as interested in in doing what

we were doing the same thing the same tours the same i mean you know you've heard the cliche about how hard touring is especially in this country right it is hard like when you play there are many shows when you play in canada if you don't leave after the show you won't make it for the next one. It's like a hardcore logo, right? Hardcore logo is like your definitive Canadian road tour movie, I'd say. Yeah. And after COVID, it's going to be even worse because there's going to be less venues to play.

So it's hard. I kind of wanted to get on with my next life. So that's why I think if we weren't having the success we had before, it's really hard for any band, any business to have a lot of success. And then two years later, like have a lot less from there. So if it's not upwards momentum, it's very difficult. Like, and I think, I think a perfect example of a band that sort of held steady and true is is sloan they they had a lot of success early on and then not as much

success there but they had a really good steady audience and they just kept going yeah but i had i had jay ferguson in the backyard i don't know what that was four months ago or something and you know he he tells you they were basically broken up i think they had to do a canada day they had an obligation to do like an edge fest or some kind of yeah at molson park i think so they were like we got to do that and we're done and then so they were done they were gone and then they somehow they ended up not breaking up obviously but even that band sloan which we talk about like you're speaking now uh we're within a whisker of calling it quits and that was like 1980 i'm sorry

1994 or five or six like right in the middle there so and they're the perfect classic canadian story where they're a career band but you know none of them are buying mansions you know you're gonna go to lablas and see any of them there they're not shopping at pusseterries you know none of them are buying mansions you know you're gonna go to lablas and see any of them there they're not shopping at pussitaris you know it's like so it's like um well actually you probably see them more at kings and market than you would lablas but but they're just really good guys who've made a career in music you know and they're and they're and they're they're not rich and uh if they were the exact same band in America, you know, I don't,

I can't think of any bands offhand to compare them to, but they would be, they'd be doing really well. Like it's just, it's just that Canada's Canada and it's like, and they, and they stuck with it and they're like fucking rock heroes. Oh yeah.

They should be the rock heroes to every Canadian musician and every Canadian. Okay. So head, head, it sounds like head's breaking up here. So, uh, basically, they should be the rock heroes to every Canadian musician and every Canadian okay so head it sounds like heads breaking up here so basically at some point I don't know mid 90s or something you guys called it 97 so we did one more album at Sound of One Hand

with Marty Jones who did our original demos in Ottawa and we did an album called Ozzy and honestly I think it's a great album. It's not an album that's going to do well on radio or any playlists, but as a piece, there's some awesome, awesome songs on it. It showed a maturity. And if we did one more album after that, it would have been even better. We just couldn't get that far.

So we, we did a year of touring of, of that album and then with a new drummer and then, and then I called it quits. Man. Okay. Now we're going to pause there and come back, but we got to go back to Hayden and that same disc that you won for. So I'm going to play, I'm going to lead us off by playing,

uh, the, a little bit of the convo I had with Ash from ubiquitous energy seeker on my show. And this is the last, literally the, like your episode 785 and this was 784. So here's a bit of Ash.

I was greatly inspired by, you know, the early nineties, Toronto indie rock scene that, you know, treble charger, change of heart, uh,

head Hayden, um, all of those bands. So my, my, uh, I, I had a family connection to Noah Mintz,

who now has a mastering studio, but he was in a band called Head. Of course. You know Head, yeah. So Head had Brendan Canning in it, which then broke in social scene. So as a songwriter, Noah was like a massive influence on me, Noah Mintz.

And so when his band won the 102.1 discovery to disc contest, won a hundred grand in like 92 or something. And they recorded an album called jerk that got shelved and then had disappeared. And so I brought him out. We played a song called porno star Trek. We played hollow point. And then at that night at the Caspies, we played a second song. And I got Noah to come and I invited him and he played lead guitar. My hero got to play lead guitar. And I just got to get like, this is what you deserved. But you back in the major label days when they would just shelf your album

because they're like, this won't sell. Right. And game over. So there you go, Ashley Buchholz. Now in that same episode, I didn't pull this clip, but we talked about take because Ash and I both love Hayden's take from that same disc, that 93 Discovery to Disc CFY put out.

In fact, I'll just let people know if they go back and listen to USS on episode 784, like Ash breaks out his guitar and me and him do a duet of take. Like this happens, okay? But he drops the bomb and apparently it's well known, but I need to get the definitive story here. In fact, you know what?

It's my show. This is what I'm doing, Noah. I'm going to play a bit of take love that song and then we're gonna talk about your uh involvement in this particular song so here's a bit of take take me home Take me with you Take me home Take a part of me Take all of me Come with me get away from me please agree with me disagree with me

come with me get away from me break it down a bit noah who who's on lead vocals in this jam right here? Oh, that's me. So I'm singing that song because Hayden's first concept was to write a bunch of songs and have other people sing them. That was what Hayden was going to be. Right. Right. Like, yeah. And there's a lot of artists like that.

I'm thinking Never Ending White Lights or something like that. That's one that comes to mind. Right. Like, yeah. And there's a lot of artists like that. I'm thinking Never Ending White Lights or something like that. It's one that comes to mind. Yeah. Now, I feel like, was this known at the time or is this something that like, I just don't know how I missed it. Like, because we all thought that was Hayden. Now I listen back and I'm like, that's Noah Mintz. But at the time, 100%, I thought Hayden was singing this song so because we were on the the album the cfny album and hayden didn't tell me he was even submitting it he didn't say it was me so i got kind of pissed off because i was like i thought he jeopardized our chance right to be on the album because i i have double entry right but he didn't even list me as the person. So that's why there was no credit. It was just basically this was a take by Hayden. I'll tell you a funny story.

Hayden and I were at Eden Fest. Do you remember that famous show? We talk about it all the time. Yeah, absolutely. And so Head played it. It was our last show. And Hayden and I were just walking around. And then we just come up on these guys that are playing guitar. And then all of a sudden, they're like they're like one guy goes who is that he's like oh that's that's hayden's song and then the other guy goes yeah but doesn't noah

mince sing that song he's like yeah i think so we're like like standing them standing like four feet away from them and i'm like should we say something right he's like nah just keep walking i'm like yeah you know i think part of the reason guys like me break into that song is because it's an easy to sing song. Like, I feel like I'm not much of a singer. You're a much better singer than I am, but I can kind of do the take delivery. I think it's a fun fact for anyone who, you know, in the 90s thought that was Hayden doing take. It's a fun fact that it's actually Noah Mintz doing take.

And then the great contrast between your voice and the the woman's voice lorraine uh urso marzo i don't know if i'm pronouncing that right but uh that's apparently that's you and lorraine uh because yeah it's hayden one of hayden's best friends at the time and she's an awesome human being this is overwhelming hey is head as head reunited like is there any chance i can uh when covid's over i can somehow get a head reunion? What is the possibility there? I think for a long time, I would have done it and Brendan wouldn't. And then I think it's, I mean, I still think Brendan wouldn't, but I more wouldn't now.

So what I did do is I did do, like Noah's Arkwell did a bunch of Hayden songs. Right. At the Dakota. Sorry, a bunch of head songs at the Dakota. And then I did a little mini reunion for, it was just me and Jason because Brennan didn't want to do it or he was away for the Juno's 90s show.

That was really cool. It was Trouble, Jarred, and Change of Heart. Like everybody was there. It was really great. Amazing. So I did a couple songs and i had uh benny uh who's playing a bunch of bands um play bass on that one so but no i don't think we'll do it it was it was what it was we weren't like we were like this iconic band we were more iconic in the sense of um in people's memories so and and, and I,

and I get reminded that all the time because I get, I get monthly messages from somebody on Facebook or an email. Well, that's it. No, I like, as you know, like nostalgia is a hell of a drug, right? Like, so all of us guys who are listening to that in the early nineties, we're all in our mid forties now. And I mean, post COVID, we're just looking to like be a teenager again. You know what I mean? Like, like there's no other way to do it. Like it's, it's i mean post-covid we're just looking to like be a teenager again you know what i mean like like there's no other way to do it like it's it's why i i'm always looking for like where's rusty playing next you know what i mean like um well i encourage you to look if you haven't yet

on spotify all the streaming services i i have uploaded like the entire musical discography i've had including something called odd and otter or something it's like where i put all the outtakes of stuff in it amazing for sure so now cool stuff to hear oh yeah no doubt no doubt now you mentioned noah's ark weld so i'm going to play a bit of that too okay because uh just to complete this thing so here's a bit of noah's ark weld and then we'll talk a bit about uh what the hell is mastering and all the great work you've been up to since. But here's a bit of Noah's Ark world. I slammed the door

I have heard it all before Get off your trip Bullshit, I'm sick of it Figure all that Cause you got into her pants Sex is a trap I breathe flame I got nothing more to say

You are not my friend today I got nothing more to say You are not my friend today I got nothing more to say You light one up for my children Noah, who was the original bassist for this band? That was Leslie Feist. That's a fun fact.

She was actually in the band for two years. Amazed. This is blowing my mind, man. Like, I can't believe all this stuff kind of happening around you. Like, amazing. Also, live,

live, Dan Kurtz played keyboards, who's the new deal, and Dragonette also produced Leslie Feist's first album. So, it was really,

it was a bit of a group. a group like like a lot of people played that mitch roth from palito played it as well and i mean just to finish up so brendan canning for i'm just in case people don't know who knows who's listening right so uh by divine right but then of course uh broken social scene with kevin. Like, they're the guys. Like, this career he's had, unbelievable. Yeah. And I have to say, and this is not honking my own horn, but it's like there are these moments in history where if A didn't happen, B never would have happened.

So, I mean, if I never convinced Brendan to drop out of university, Broken Social scene never would have happened. I mean, it's like it's just one of those things, you know? Right. And maybe you can take credit for Leslie Feist's career as well. Like, I feel like there's a whole bunch of spots. You know what, take, you're singing that Hayden jam for, because, you know, for the Discovery to Disc, maybe that sparks the whole Hayden that we've all,

we all love to this day. Definitely encourage Hayden to perform and recorded his first cassette um and I encourage Hayden to sing for sure Leslie I literally the day she came to Toronto I asked her to join my band and she hadn't played bass and she learned how to play bass on the way to the show and and we just kind of wing the songs um but did you know like did you have an inkling like of what leslie feist was capable of like did you so she opened up for us in um calgary her band placebo opened up for us in a big show that was like that like a a big outdoor show that uh the ramones were playing and uh she put all she won a spot to go

on before us and she belted out. She was 16 years old. And I'm like, this lady is the best singer I've ever heard in my life. Wow. So that's why when we kept in touch and when she moved to Toronto, I asked her to join my band immediately, you know, and she calls me her ground zero, which is a super awesome, kind of cool thing for her to say about me that she says like, she met everybody through

me at the beginning and then she just branched out from there and but i take absolutely no credit for her she's uh she did that on her own for sure so i mean uh noah's arc weld uh basically how does that peter out and then i need to ask you because i need to know exactly what mastering is and how it's different from producing. Okay. So basically, real simple how Noah's Ark World and Head ended is basically I was running out of money and I did stage help for Lilith Fair. And I bumped into one of the guys from mystery machine there because i think he was backing up somebody and we chatted and hung out we went to a party after and he's like if you're doing anything else with music what would you do i'm like i don't know i think i'd like to be a mastering

engineer and then a guy listening into the conversation who i kind of knew he's like well i'm a mastering engineer and he's like i'm like yeah he's like where do you work he told me where he works he's like and guess what I'm quitting next week I'm like who's gonna take your job he's like you I'm like I literally went in for an interview not knowing what I was talking about and I got that job as a mastering engineer and therefore decided to be that's 97 decided to be a mastering engineer and quit my band life at that moment. And I spent some time just for fun looking at the albums you're accredited on as a mastering engineer. I'm here. Okay, so I selected a few choice here.

I hope you don't have to rush anywhere right now. Can I steal a little more time from you? Yeah, of course. here i hope i hope you don't have to like rush anywhere right now can i steal a little more time from you this is cool okay okay in fact uh brendan canning uh kind of is involved with this one here but so i'll actually talk over it maybe uh here this is cause equals time which you know i was thinking it might be my favorite broken social scene song of all time. Actually. Such a good song. It's incredible. I mean, that's such a powerful group there,

but this song, I think it's my favorite. I still don't get tired of it. So maybe for us dummies out there, I'll bring it down so we can hear you better. But for us dummies out there, like what do you do as a mastering engineer? Like,

like, like please tell us, like use this song maybe as an example what do you do no offense well this is this stuff was different than any other stuff because that was uh dave newfeld and when you work with dave newfeld you have to go into a different a different mode he's uh he's uh an auteur you know he's uh he does things differently and he does things like no one else can. So that's not a great example for that one because that was definitely a mix of myself and Dave mastering.

Okay. But generally when I do mastering, I listen to a bunch of songs or even one song and I have all this equipment and I basically turn knobs, you know, it's's like like so you can see like these knobs here yes y'all have steps and y'all click and clack right and basically it's like if you have a stereo and you have a bass and an eq knob so i'm doing that before you can do that. So I'm, I'm basically just setting the tone and the feel of each song. So they all kind of work together. It's, it's the polish. It's the, it makes, basically it makes. So when a song is finished

recording, it may sound great on your stereo, may not sound great in your car, may may sound great on your stereo may not sound great in your car may not sound great on your phone I make it so it kind of averages out so it sounds great on everything so sometimes people will say to me they'll go I listen to it and I like it but my engineer did something I like it better like what do you like about that it's It's just like it's bigger, it's louder, it's boomier, it's bassier. I'm like, well, take that one, play it in your car, play it on your earbuds, and play it in your home stereo and come back to me. They're like, oh, yeah, it sounds good here, not great there. And I'm like, okay, well, listen to the one I did.

Does it sound great on everything? He's like, yeah, it sounds more consistent on everything. That's kind of what a good mastering engineer does. Doesn't make it sound great on one thing, it sounds more consistent and everything. That's kind of what a good mastering engineer does. It doesn't make it sound great on one thing. It makes it sound great on everything. So sometimes you've got to cut the bass a little more than people would like. But then it'll sound great with a subwoofer, great in a club, great if we ever get back to those places.

Great on everything. That's kind of our goal, to make it just sound good on everything. Speaking of good on everything, I might let Cause Equals Time play out here and then bring in another song you were involved with that I love and get some more info from you. I love this fucking song. I'm sorry, man. They all need to be the cause They all want to dream a cause

They all need to felt the cause We'll be right back. Oh, yeah. Another song I saw on your long credit list I just love. So good. So this is for those who don't know, the deer is lost in the plot. So tell me a bit about working on this. This album's great too,

but this, I think this is my favorite jam. It's just so like, this is a great example of, of, of what happens when you're from toronto and in canada okay is that is that you get to work on these amazing albums and when they get success they go to the u.s for the rest of their work i mean it's just what happens you know and i don't i don't begrudge them uh broken socials are some of my best friends but they work with u.s

producers and they make them master in the us and same with the dears like like i mean i got to master dears one of dears best albums for sure i did the one before that as well right uh um you know it's and i did like some great stars albums and you know i but i mean um when i when i did uh it was a, No Cities Left for Dears? Right. I knew that was going to be a huge album. That was amazing. You Forgotten People, I had no idea that was going to be huge.

Now, the work we put into it was the... Like, I've never... Other than one of Howie Beck's albums, I've never spent so much time mastering an album. It was weeks and weeks and weeks and weeks back and forth, new mixes, Dave Neufeld having literal fits about like some of my compressor settings and like just like it was a lot of work you know and I don't think I even got paid for it. I think later I got paid for it but I think originally I was just like guys you're my buddies let's just do it.

Kevin gave me 200 bucks from his like his grandmother gave him. He gave it to me like out of his wallet. His grandmother gave it to him for his birthday or something. Wow. And I was like, and I just I worked with those guys. It was so much fun. They just came in every time. And I was I got frustrated, believe me, because I knew I would be like, no, this is all wrong. We got to do this.

And I'd be like, this doesn't wrong we got to do this and i'd be like this doesn't make any sense and and but it was a lot of work so so the payoff was huge for that album because i mean honestly just nobody puts that kind of work into mastering like nobody does like it's just it's so rare that you spend weeks and weeks and weeks working on an album monster album two months okay so this one the deer is like in this song and again uh i don't know it's many years old now i guess but it's still sounds so great in the cans like i almost want to turn it up and listen to this thing but lost in the plot great recording great recording dave porter was their a and r and he brought them to me and and uh uh it was just and

i'd already did their album before that but this one was just you just could listen to me and and uh uh it was just and i'd already did their album before that but this one was just you just could listen to it and it sounded good and but then these guys go exactly i don't understand is it this uh like we talked about self-deprecation earlier in this episode and is there some sense of like oh if he's canadian based he can't be as good as the american mastering engineer like is there some sense of they must be better because they're American it's Toronto is not New York or LA

for one thing but it's also like if you can't record or mix in the US at all it's this psychological thing about oh well we did one thing in New York and it's a psychological thing about, Oh, well, we did one thing in New York and it's, and it's, and it's a one day thing. So we can have that kind of,

even though nobody cares, have that credit. I got to begrudge anybody for it. Like, look, I've been doing this 23, four years now. I have like the best gear you can possibly get. I got an amazing studio. I can do just as good as any of those guys, but I don't begrudge anybody if they want to go work in New York City. I feel a little slighted when somebody goes to like Iowa to master instead of me,

but who I've worked with before, but I don't like my own album, my last Noah's Ark world album, I mastered in New York. I mean, I wanted that experience, but, but it's like when you go to an iconic studio, there's nothing like an iconic studio. No, lacquer channel is an iconic studio. We've been around 45 years. Oh. And so basically let's say I'm a band cause I'm going to, I'll do,

I'll drop it now. Okay. So there's listeners of the program. We call listeners of the program and guests like yourself, FOTMs. And I can say, uh, Elephants and Stars, for example, he was in the backyard this past summer. He tells me you, I think you mastered his, their album, Elephants and Stars. Yeah. And, oh, I want to get her real name right, but 1977.

This is going back a bit, but she's a big listener of the program. Julie, I think, is her name. I hope I got that right. I actually dropped their master off to their house. They were on Queen Street. I remember that. See, there you go, 1977. And I mean, I've listened to that stuff and the Elephants and Stars.

It all sounds tremendous. At this point, are there people like those aforementioned FOTMs there that are just requesting you? Or do you get assigned a gig like can people say I want Noah Mintz to master this thing or do they go to the it's just straight requests right directly to me so it's like uh whether it's your Instagram or whatever like I mean in in I mean I post I try to post a couple times a week but even times I don't post anything i still get work and i'm still even through covid i've been busy but not like you know i mean it's still down i mean right and i've and i feel like a weeks i've worked a lot like really really like a lot of hours and

then i look at the numbers and they're really down so i think i'm doing things for a lot less now because you don't want to turn anything down like i don't want to right tell somebody like my rate and they're like oh sorry i'd love to work with you i can't afford it i'm not going to say no i'm going to be like hell man i go i want i want to work with you like like what can you afford and let's do it for that so i would never turn someone down for money i mean i usually don't but even especially these days. So even if somebody's like, they got like almost nothing, I'd still, I'd want to help them out. Work something out. Okay, I'm going to name drop just a few, and then I'm going to play

one more jam, and then I'll set you free here. But like Sarah Harmer, Arkells, I'm going to save this one because I'm going to play it. Death From Above, 1979. Danko Jones, who's been on the program. The Real Statics, Bedini's been on this program. Len real statics, but Dini has been on this program. Len,

of course, you know, you mentioned stars, but I mean, and of course the guys we, we all talked about broken social scene and Hayden, and here's the jam. Here's another band you worked with here.

So this will be fun. It sounds a bit different from those last two jams, but let's play this chat about this and then talk, meet you on the other side here. I stumble through the wreckage Rusted from the rain There's nothing left to salvage No one left to blame

Among the broken mirrors I don't look the same I'm rusted from the rain I'm rusted from the rain I'm rusted from the rain All right, so here's some Billy Talent from Streetsville, Rusted From the Rain. And big time, go ahead, yes. A couple things about that. First of all, that band were actually head fans.

So they came up to me and said, hey, we're a big fan of your music i'm like whoa that's crazy like i didn't know you guys knew us and that was really cool and ben has since become a friend and just a good dude so i didn't actually master that so that was mastered oh like well let me tell you okay explain this sure that was mastered by Bob Ludwig, who's like the best mastering engineer in the world. So now he's extremely expensive. So Warner came to me and had me master all of like the B-side stuff on that album

and all the Guitar Hero stuff, which is basically stuff without guitars or without bass so you can play along to it. So I have a credit on that album for a lot of the mastering on that album, but the main album was mastered by Bob Ludwig. Gotcha. Again, the best of the best of the best.

And it makes sense that Ben and the guys would be fans of Head, I feel. Ben, he was working, I think, on Strombo's show, but he was definitely working at CFNY in some capacity when this band was breaking. Amazing. Amazing. Okay, my friend, this is unbelievable.

Like, maybe my final question might be, what did you think, and be honest, because I need the truth from you, my friend, but what did you think of Lowest of the Low? I know it was a foregone conclusion they were going to win that $100,000, and then, surprise, heads home home in the money but what did you think of shakespeare my butt and uh lowest of the low as a band okay so you have to put it in context of the time right

so there's two things two things work in here first of all music's extremely successful now i can't say like at the time it was my favorite kind of music but i obviously recognized First of all, music's extremely successful. Now, I can't say at the time it was my favorite kind of music, but I obviously recognized how catchy and great the songs were. But also, we were playing with these guys, and we knew them. And really, really strong-headed, opinionated dudes, but you will not find nicer guys than the lowest of the low guys and more supportive guys so it's like tragically hip say what you will about their music like they're just the nicest guys in the world so it's impossible not to like um i you

know i wasn't throwing on on on lowest of the low albums right but but i knew all the songs off shakespeare my butt right all of them by heart and um and i i think in a way there was some um i didn't when we released a song off our first album jockstrap uh it wasn't we didn't know lois of low at the time but it definitely has a lois of a low vibe to it so it's got the same kind of sign of sound but but ron ron and the guys in lois and low run steve like they've they've just been true to music all along the way i've never ever compromised like no one is not compromised more than ronkins. The guy does it his way, only his way, and has his audience. There's so

much respect in this city and outside the city for him. It's pretty incredible. To be such an opinionated person and have that kind of respect is amazing. A great balance. I'm glad to hear all this because I've closed every episode of Toronto Mike.

So here's 785 coming to a close. Every single episode has closed with Rosie and Grave from Shakespeare, My Butt. So good. And I got a lot of time for that band. But dude, I got a lot of time for you. I mean, hell of a debut, Noah. Like that was awesome. Yeah, thanks.

This is really cool. I get to talk about yourself for an hour. Holy moly. Normally I'm just talking to other people about their bands, and I'm trying not to talk about myself too much. Well, this is... You're working on their music. And it's the most you might have ever talked in an interview.

You might have never had such a deep dive into Thornley's musical history. Very true. Here's how it works, though, Noah. Here's how it works. Next summer, I'm going to have a socially distanced backyard. true so here's how it works though noah just here's how it works uh next summer i'm gonna have a socially distanced backyard uh setup and i'm going to be asking you to come back and kick out the jams basically like we play 10 songs you love and talk about why you love that those songs like if you're up for it you're gonna get that call uh. Look, man, if like at this point, if like if like the evilest person on earth invited me, we'll party.

I would go. Believe me. Hitler's rise from the dead. Inviting Noah Mintz, a Jew, to his party. I'm like, damn it, I'll go. And that brings us to the end of our 785th show. You can follow me on Twitter. I'm at Toronto Mike.

Noah is at Noah Mintz. Follow him on Twitter. Our friend, and reach out to him if you're a band and you want to get your music mastered by the great Noah Mintz. Reach out to him, right? Is there a website or something you want people to go to? Lackerdchannel.com

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