Toronto Mike'd: The Official Toronto Mike Podcast - Pearl Jam with Bob Willette: Toronto Mike'd #766

Episode Date: December 8, 2020

Mike chats with Bob Willette about all things Pearl Jam and Bob kicks out a hidden Pearl Jam gem from each studio album.

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Sammy at SammyCohn.com. That's K-O-H-N. And Ridley Funeral Home. Pillars of the community since 1921. I'm Mike from TorontoMike.com and joining me this week to provide us with our Pearl Jam Primer is Bob Ouellette. give Miami no opportunity whatsoever. Timeout is called. Three seconds remaining. John Smith is on the line, and I don't care what's on the line, Howard. You have got to say what we know in the booth.

Yes, we have to say it. Remember, this is just a football game. No matter who wins or loses, an unspeakable tragedy confirmed to us by ABC News in New York City. John Lennon, outside of his apartment building on the west side of New York City, the most famous perhaps of all of the Beatles, shot twice in the back, rushed to Roosevelt Hospital, dead on arrival.

Hard to go back to the game after that newsflash, which in duty bound we have to take. Frank. Indeed it is. Three seconds remain. If the rain comes They run and hide their head They might as well be dead When the sun shines, it's bright into the shade

And slip in the morning When the sun shines When the sun shines Shines I don't mind Welcome back, Bob. That's a tough one to follow right there. We're starting on a bit of a sour note. Bit of a dour note, I should say. So we're here to talk Pearl Jam, but it is the 40th anniversary.

So that Howard Cosell call was 40 years ago tonight that he made that announcement on Monday Night Football. And you and I are both guys in our 40s. I'm going to guess, because I have a couple years on you, I'm going to guess you have no memory of John Lennon being shot to death 40 years ago tonight. You are correct. I would have been four years old, turning five, I guess. So I was in junior kindergarten. So I actually don't have a recollection of it.

Right. I got, no, I have a recollection that a beetle died. Okay. But I don't have any specific, like, I don't remember. I just was told in the classroom. Oh, wow. Yeah. A kid said a beetle died. And I remember knowing that that was something big, like this is big. So you're like a grade one, maybe? Yeah. So I was six, I guess I was six. So, uh,

like I do remember that's the first time I had the consciousness of a death in the world was John Lennon. Yeah. But of course, being six years old and you being four years old, we don't, you know, there's a lot of guys today telling their stories about like how they learned John Lennon died, but, uh, I just knew something big had happened in the world. And I thought I'd play, uh, and again again this is a Pearl Jam episode I know maybe we picked a bad day for this I mean you know 40 years you know just it's a

big round number so I just thought we'd open with the Howard Glassell and then any excuse to play one of the many great be it Pearl Jam or Ed Vedder's solo because of course he does, You've Got to Hide Your Love Away and all that solo.

But just, that's a great band that not only recorded their own amazing original material, but knew how to cover a song, right? They still do.

Yeah, yeah, for sure. I mean, they were supposed to tour last year and that tour would have included a lot of covers. I mean, when you see them live,

you're in for close to three hours of music and a lot of covers and remind us how many times have you seen pearl jam live well i've done my research here and um so according to setlist.fm it looks like pearl jam's done about 1040 shows wow i've seen about 40 of them that's that's pretty good though yeah i've seen i've seen them about 40 of them. That's, that's pretty good though. Yeah. I've seen, I've seen them about 40 times. If you, that's if you include,

I think that would include a couple of Eddie Vedder solo shows and seeing them on Letterman. I saw them at the, at the Ed Sullivan Theatre. So they did one song? Just one song. Yeah. There was another time where they, after the show,

they did a little concert in the Ed Sullivan. I was not fortunate enough to be there for that one. But still times like uh every once in a while there's somebody comes over like Brad Fay and will say oh I saw uh Bruce Springsteen 100 times right and it's like whoa because I've seen Pearl Jam like 10 to 12 times I can't even remember right now I have to go check my thing yeah but like to me that's I think that's I'm certain that's the most times I've seen any one band I think is Pearl Jam but you're 40 times so good on you buddy well it started you know like to me that's i think that's i'm certain that's the most times i've seen any one band i think is pearl jam but you're 40 times so good on you buddy well it started you know i mean i'm not one of these guys who uh who would say that i was on the on the pearl jam train early i you know in

91 when i was 15 i was still listening to ll cool j and digital underground and then grunge broke and i got into got into. I didn't see them, you know, on the Lollapalooza shows. The first time I saw them was in 96 at Maple Leaf Gardens. You beat me actually.

The first time I saw, I'm wearing the t-shirt from the first time I saw Pearl Jam was 98. Yeah, the Yield Tour. Yes,

that's right. Yeah, that's right. That's great. And it's still one of my favorite concert experiences at Molson Park.

Like, I still reference it all the time. That's great. That's one of the, that actually goes down as one of my favorite concert experiences at Molson Park. Like I still reference it all the time. It's a great, that's one of the, it actually goes down as one of their most legendary shows. Amazing. And you were there, right? Of course.

Yeah. No, of course. 40 times. How did you miss? Cheap Trick opened. I have missed them in Toronto. Actually, I had strep throat one time and I couldn't go. But I, but no, yeah, that, that, that show in 98 with Cheap Trick opening.

And that's one of the rare shows. And when we get into this list, but it's one of the rare shows where they started with a fast song they started they opened with corduroy and they usually build right the set list is a big thing with you know it's funny i feel like i've i've seen them open with corduroy more than once like am i possible i feel like that's a that's like a but but i correct me if i'm wrong we're gonna get into all this but there's a member there's a member of Pearl Jam. Who is it?

Who suffers from, is it IBS or something? Yeah, Mike Bacridi does. So they like to start with songs. Sometimes he's not quite back from the bathroom yet. Like I heard they will start with a song that he's not needed for the first bit. I don't think I've heard that. I don't think, no. Usually the last guy to walk on stage is Eddie. Like they all come out.

Okay. Maybe the encore positions, you know, because they Eddie. Like they all come out. Okay. Maybe, maybe, maybe the encore positions, you know, cause they do take two or three encores. Right. So maybe that's, I can't say I ever heard that.

Until I get Eddie on the show to confirm that one. But okay, Bob, so much to talk about. So we're going to do the Pearl Jam. And while we learn about the history of Pearl Jam, we're going to learn about the history of Bob and Mike with Pearl Jam, if you will.

Like it's all going to be together. But since you were last on, last time you were on, I made a plea to the program directors and radio hiring professionals that they should offer you a job. And is it fair to say I failed miserably at that? Well, your recommendation, while wonderful

and really warmed the cockles of my heart, has not come to fruition in a job yet. Is it my fault or is it the pandemic's fault? Well, I'd like to say the pandemic. I came on the week before my contract was ending with Bell Media. Yeah, so then I started a podcast.

Okay, so tell us about that because I've been listening to your podcast. It's called Bob's Basement. Tell us about the theme of the podcast and give us some guests you've had on. You're showing me up like you're getting some big names and I'm like oh Bob did it again.

Has Bob got Monica Schnarr? I'm like Monica Schnarr doesn't come on Toronto Mic'd. What's going on here? Tell me about the show. Well first of all I need to thank you. You helped me get it off the ground. You're distributing it. You went so far as to lend me a board even. Yeah, how's the board doing?

It's doing great. Are you taking care of it? Yeah, of course I am. It's working quite well, thank you. So thank you. I mean, Bob's Basement, a podcast about change, wouldn't exist without you. But yeah, so I kind of had, like most guys who are in radio

and were not in radio for one reason or another, a lot of them, you know, they go and start podcasts. So I said I wanted to do that for a bunch of reasons. One of the things is the last year and a bit working at Bell Media, I was in a programming-only position without any on-air, and I really missed being on-air. So I realized that I like that a lot. So it's to feed my own needs a little bit,

but it's also to keep my name out there. And I didn't want to just do an open-ended podcast. I wanted to come up with something that had some legs, that had a theme that could, you know, a ribbon. I could tie through all of the episodes. And people could come on if they didn't have anything to plug. You know, they could just talk. And I came up, I literally woke up in the middle of the night one night

and said, my podcast needs to be about change because the year that we've been having obviously is the most change we've seen in our lives. So everybody can talk about it. Everybody knows, everybody either is looking for a change or sometimes they have a change thrust upon them and they all have experience with it and everybody's perspective is different with

it. So I've had a really good time with it. I think episode seven this week coming out, it'll be a gentleman by the name of Julian Taylor. He used to be in a band called Staggered Crossing. Yeah, yeah. Heading out on the 401, don't make you nervous. So Julian is the singer-songwriter.

But I can't name a second Staggered Crossing. Well, so that's part of the conversation. But what you should do is listen to some solo Julian Taylor. His new album, The Ridge, is amazing. Okay, yeah. That's why I listened to Bob's Bassman, to tip me off on these things. And you've had some, I mean, that's a great name. But you had Mike Turner from Our Lady Peace.

Yeah, the original. He's the guy who put the ad in Now Magazine looking for a vocalist. He was the original member of Our Lady Peace. And Rain's a mic too, right? Like, he's a mic. He's not a rain. Rain's a mic too, right? Like he's a mic. He's not a Rain. Oh, in real life. Yeah, like he's a mic.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, okay. Just because there's lots of mics going on. And you had a bunch of mics and then I kind of thought maybe I might get the call and I never got it. You're going to get the call. You're going to get the call.

Have Humble and Fred got the call yet? Not yet. I went on Humble and Fred. You booked me on Humble and Fred. Thank you. That was a tough call. What was interesting was that they actually didn't sound, they sound like they didn't want to come on. You booked me on Humble and Fred. Thank you. That was a tough call. What was interesting was that they actually didn't sound like they

didn't want to come on. You know what? That is true. You don't want us. I learned my lesson. So you're on your own, buddy. Last November, I had them on.

They both got pissed at me. No, it was last October. Maybe it was even September, but it was last fall. Sure. And I mean, literally end with Fred throwing the camera at me

saying, turn that off. So he could yell at me for 10 minutes. Like they were just pissed at a whole whack of stuff. Sounds like old school 90s Humble and Fred. They were, I mean, that's the first time Fred just yelled at me for like a period of time.

I hadn't had that yet. Yeah. He was just red faced. It's rare. It's rare. But when, when it takes, Freddie's a long way to red line,

but when you get him at red line, woo, it's something to watch. So I kind of made it a, Freddie's a long way to red line, but when you get him at red line, woo, it's something to watch. So I kind of made it a little, and then I decided to, so I did invite Howard back to kick out the jam solo, but I decided, I think the Humble and Fred appearances on Toronto Mike are done for a while. So I'm giving it a good breather, but I mean, you got to save your Humble and Fred episode for sweeps week.

I don't know when the podcast sweeps week is. I don't know. I do want to have them on. And you know what? I have a conversation to have with them. And I've alluded to it with you about guys. I mean, they're still on radio. They're on Funny 820, but we have

more listeners on our Periscope right now. But I consider them. I mean, I'm there for the podcast. For sure. There's a movement happening with guys who used to be on the radio and who aren't on the radio. And I have a perspective that has come to me about that that I want to share with them.

And it may end up in yelling. There may be some yelling. It might be interesting. It's too bad you're going to have to end up Zooming this. I feel like you've got to wait to get Freddie and that. Oh, get them all in the same room. East of young. And then you see how that goes.

That'd be interesting. Get them in the actual basement. But yeah, so it's been great. And yeah. So Bob's basement is the order of the day to subscribe and listen to Bob's basement. It's about change.

And you have people on to discuss like change. Yeah. They like anything like, you know, when you became a father, tell me how that changed you. So a guy like Mike Turner was leaving Our Lady Peace 10 years in.

How did that change? What album was his last album before he left? He was there for Spiritual Machines. He left in early 2001, so they were still doing okay. But that is the time to get off, I feel. That's the time to get off the bus. Well, it definitely went... After Spiritual Machines. Yeah, it definitely went

a certain way that he wasn't comfortable with, right? So, and he didn't, you know, nobody... There's no ill feelings there anymore. There would have been at the time, but there's no ill feelings. And he's a really smart guy. He's my longest episode. I came out of the gate with the longest episode, which is

well over an hour, and I really... I I came out of the gate with the longest episode, which is well over an hour. And I really I'm really proud of the way the guests have been so forthcoming with me and open with me. You put them at ease and then they open up their hearts. Well, you do the same, man. You learned it from the best. That's right. That's right.

Absolutely. Get them at ease and then they'll open up their hearts to you. That's what i say here yeah it's been really good nadia lloyd is one i would really recommend listening to because i'm really trying to i could book guests from broadcast and from music forever right i could do and i and that's so within my comfort zone because i speak the same language as those people i've done music and radio for 20 plus years nadia lloyd is a visual artist who started in broadcast, which I didn't know,

but she came up with the black lives matter city of Toronto logo with the, with the, with the fist and the, and the CN tower in it. And I just reached out to her randomly on Twitter. I said, I'd love to talk to you about your, your, your,

your, about your, I'm throwing you because it's not a project. No, this is a, the watchman all uncovered. I like this. Right. Why are you playing The Watchmen all uncovered. I like this. Right.

Why are you playing The Watchmen all uncovered? I like it. I didn't want you to stop your little spiel there, but Nadia Lloyd is an episode we all need to listen to. I think that's a highly

recommended episode if I do say so myself. So before we set up this week's episode, we're going to kick out Bob's favorite Pearl Jam song from each of their studio albums but why am i playing all uncovered because sammy cone k-o-h-n is his last name not only is he a fantastic real estate agent but he is the drummer for the watchman nice and this is awesome So listen up, you Pearl Jam fans

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Any real estate inquiry for Sammy Cohn and you get a complimentary drum lesson from the drummer on this jam. Great jam, right? It's an amazing jam, actually. I love this song. Tell me what you're going to say there. A local broadcaster here, Fearless Fred from Q107.

Fred Kennedy, who once told Humble and Freddy hates me. Oh, really? Yeah. Oh, I didn't know that. The list of people who hate you, though, is pretty long. Wonderful people. But it was based on the comments on a blog entry I wrote. Not what I wrote.

The comments. I don't think he should have hated me for that. Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But he just tweeted out that he lost his virginity to this song. Oh, really? Yeah. He said, I lost my virginity to a Watchmen song.

And people were like, which one? I'm like, it's got to be this. Are you kidding me? This was the big one. There's lots of great ones. Well, this has got to be this, though. Just for the line, buckle me in on the highway to sin. Did you ever think of getting a tattoo that said, buckle me in on the highway to sin?

That is one of my favorite lines ever written. I know. It's amazing. That's right up there with kick at the darkness till it bleeds daylight. Yeah. It's iconic. It's amazing. Oh, my God.

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I love these guys. So here, let me crack open a Great Lakes. Yeah, put it on the mic, though. Cheers. We're going to be kicking out Pearl Jam. I want to have a nice Great Lakes beer here on the deck with you, Bob. Oh, thank you. Great Lakes, fantastic sponsors.

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Lovely. Shout out to Anthony from Palma Pasta. He's a good boy. Ridley Funeral Home. I had a great walk and talk with Brad from Ridley Funeral Home yesterday. They're at Lakeshore and 14th. Brad Jones. He's a great FOTM.

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Support the Toronto Mike sponsors. They help fuel the real talk. Doing the math here. So there's 11 Pearl Jam studio albums. Is that correct? That is correct. Jill wanted me to ask you a question. I know you saw it on Twitter, but I'm asking but I'm asking it anyway Does Bingo Bob consider Mirrorball

a Pearl Jam album? It's 25 years old this year I think he'd like to hear something from it and he put hashtag Uncle Neil I know the answer but for the record Mirrorball's a Neil Young album I mean Merkin Ball the EP that went with it

I got shits on that, right? Yeah, that's right. There's some great... Pardon me. There's some great stuff. I'm all choked up. I'm all choked up. There's some great stuff, obviously, on Mirrorball.

But that... And the band is... Yeah, Downtown is on that. Downtown is on that. Much music will play there. I love that song, too. It's a good one. There was a place where all the hippies go.

To have a party. Yeah. So, I mean, I love their stuff with uncle neil and i was lucky i don't think anyone considers mirrorball pearl jam i don't think all because they're on it no i don't think so they're they're the set they're the band on the on the album yes but no i would not call that just like i wouldn't call it the temple of the dog album the pearl jam album or the single soundtrack or the single soundtrack or uh no there's so many so much stuff that they've all done on the side, right?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. There's a lot of great stuff. What's the one that Mike McCready did with Alice in Chains singer Lane Staley? Yeah. Mad Season. Mad Season, yeah. We've kicked that out. River of Deceit we kicked out on a Pandemic Friday.

At some point, we got to get you to hang out in this backyard for Pandemic Friday. I could put you there, 10 feet away from there and 10 feet away I'll be happy to I got nothing but time I got nothing but time okay Thursday at 7 30 I'll see you here okay so do you have just for production notes here because I've got the songs loaded up 11 songs yeah are you going to speak to the album first and then introduce the song are you just going to wink at me when you want me to press play and then I bring it down and you talk over it? I know we should have had this conversation before, but I like the authenticity that we're discussing this now for the first time.

Yeah, I think what we'll do is we'll start the song. And we're going in sequential order. I've got it from 10 all the way to Gigaton. And every song on there, I've picked, this is definitely, this isn't necessarily my favorite songs from the album. These are songs that I think are hidden gems, I would say.

And they're more on the, and it's hard to have a hidden gem on albums like 10 and Versus, obviously, because they're so huge. There's nowhere to hide. Exactly. You've got to hide your love away. Wow, that was something. Oh, there will be singing.

That's the truth. We should do like a little advisory at the beginning. That's true, Plia. In the voice of Mark Daly, there will be singing. Okay, so please, I'm sorry for interrupting. Not at all. So the first album, of course, is 10. Yes.

So I'll play it, bring it down, and then we'll both talk about 10. Actually, I'll say, listen very closely with this. Turn your cans up if you can. You'll notice with this song, you hear Eddie actually comes in a little early and stops singing. It's on the final recording.

Okay, here we go. Listen for it. That is not... Oh, my God. That is... What is that? Okay, this is something... Is that some Irish?

This is what happens when I'm busy, okay? I go to my personal collection and I search for the word release and I load it in, okay? I go to my personal collection, and I search for the word release, and I load it in, okay? Yeah. And, like, of course, I should check it out first. That apparently was used for my wedding to Monica.

That is an instrumental version of this song. Oh, really? Did I name it? That's fine. That's fine. So I'm going to go to YouTube, actually, and play it, because that's... Well, it might not be the version that I'm...

It's from... Okay, let's... As long as it's the original... Hold on here. play it because that's... Well, it might not be the version that I'm... It's from... Okay, let's... As long as it's the original... Hold on here. I don't want to... Yeah, my apologies. Oh, no, that's okay. Here we go.

So... Okay. Right there. Yeah. I thought it was you. No, he goes... He just did that. Made it to the final cut I love that shit

bury me in the fun facts Bobby I see the bird Feel the chill Which way to go Window sill I see the world On a rocking horse at times I see the birds And the rain

Oh Oh I'm so glad you chose this jam, man. This is a great fucking jam. This is the last song on 10 before there's a little hidden track at the end on the CD of an instrumental piece that's very similar to this, kind of almost like an extended version of it. It is a song they commonly open with.

It's a slow burn, right? Yeah. The setlist thing for Pearl Jam fans, for the hardcore fans that see them a lot, setlists are very important because they tour with so many songs. They do so many different songs. You see them two nights, three nights in a row, and you'll see a different show every night.

Right. For sure. This particular song is rare. If you don't see this as the opening song, you're not seeing it probably. There was one occasion where there's a gentleman who suffers from ALS and his name eludes me

but he's a huge Super Pearl Jam fan. He's not the New Orleans Saints guy. He's in that documentary. Watch that dog fucking cried. Eddie was a big supporter of this guy. You keep talking, I'll get a name for you. And Eddie, anyways, they allowed him to do a set list.

He actually wrote a whole set list for the band. And he had this later in the show, which they never do. Steve Gleason. That's it, Steve Gleason. And it's one of the few times you'll hear them do this song and it not be the opening song. They've done this song, by the way, 173 times live of the 1,040 songs. See, that's how deep this catalog is. Yeah.

And the other one, I think, no, not to steal anything from later, but Indifference, right? That would be a big opener, right? No, they close with Indifference. Oh, they close with Indifference. I would say Yellow Leadbetter, I think, is your closer. It usually is. So if it's going to be a slow song, it's either going to be Leadbetter or Indifference,

or they'll end often on Rockin' in the Free World or Baba O'Reilly, both covers. And were you there that day that Bono sang Rockin' in the Free World? I was indeed. How would you miss it? I'm willing to bet you've been at every one of my 12 shows. Probably, yeah. I've probably been at most of every one of my 12 shows. Probably, yeah.

I've probably been at most of them. Most of the shows are either, basically the way it happened was, and I've been very lucky to have a very understanding wife and a job that has allowed me to go. If they've been anywhere within about 600 kilometers, I go. We'll drive and we'll go see them. I've seen them at State College Pennsylvania. I've seen them in New York City a bunch of times.

I've seen them in Montreal, Ottawa, Hamilton. That's how you juke the stats. You're leaving the motherland here. Oh, always. Yeah, yeah. We'll talk about Rome. Rome, it was two summers ago. It was 2018. And what was interesting is having the conversation with Pearl Jam fans about what are they going to open with? What are they going to open with?

Usually is like when you're on the floor, you're in the pit. You know, that's what you're talking about. People talk about this. Is it going to be long road? Is it going to be when you're in Europe? Everybody's from a different country. It's I witnessed a Scottish man cry like a little girl when release started because he said, oh, I can't do a good Scottish accent. If they open with release, I'm going to cry.

And he did. And it was amazing. That's groundskeeper Willie Hayden. Exactly. Okay, so let's talk about 10 here. So what made you pick up 10? And do you remember where you bought it? So probably my best friend in high school and through elementary school,

it was a guy named Phil. And he was on the Pearl Jam train early and I pretty much only knew Jeremy from Much Music, right? The video was so iconic. I heard it in his basement first and went out and got it at Sunrise Records. Jeremy's late, right? Because Evenflow

was already getting a lot of... But Jeremy was the one that really broke. Maybe the two years maybe that kicks in here because But yeah, but Jeremy was the one that really broke. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. But I mean, if you were... Okay, maybe the two years, maybe that kicks in here. Because, oh yeah, this is the... This is the... Right.

Right, this is the hidden track that comes after. Right, and that's how the song gets... Yeah, it becomes like nine minutes or something like that. I gotcha. Remember when there were hidden tracks? You should do a whole thing of hidden tracks. Have you? Well, that's...

No, but I should. Because there was a hidden track on Nevermind by Nirvana. And I was on the Smells Like Teen Spirit train when I caught Evenflow on Much Music. Okay. And my ears went, oh, I like that too. Right. And then basically that's when I went and got 10. And then 10's a playthrough.

Like, I mean. Oh, every song. The thing with Evenflow, just to give you a comparison, just for the number. So Evenflow, they've played that 863 times. They've played that song virtually like 80%, 85% of their shows. I think they played it every time I've seen them. Yeah, and what it's actually become is, for the hardcore Pearl Jam fans, it's become the bathroom break song.

It's funny. It's the hit to people who are casual fans, and they'll stay. But if you watch, you can see the people who've seen Pearl Jam 20 times because they've seen this song. That's when they go to the bathroom. That makes sense. Because McCready does a really long guitar solo in it. Makes complete sense.

Yeah. Amazing. So, I mean, this album for the non-fanatics, it's got, I mean, the big singles. Well, Black's not a single, but that was heavy radio play. They wanted it to be a single. The label did. And Pearl Jam wouldn't allow it.

And if I miss any fun facts, you hit me up with them. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Of course. So even Flow and Alive are videos you've likely seen. Jeremy was the one that won all the MTV Video Awards. It was the big one. I don't... I think...

I mean, this is a band that stopped doing videos. So I know there's a video... I had a VHS that had a video for Oceans, I think. Those were put together by the label without the band's approval, a lot of them. Oceans has a bunch of surfing in it, if I remember correctly. There's like waterfalls, maybe. I don't know. I think a lot of water imagery.

Well, there's a lot of water imagery in all of Pearl Jam's music. Eddie talks about, sings about the ocean and the seas all the time. Right. So this, well, release you said was like your hidden jam. Is that your favorite

cut on the album? No, black would be my favorite on the album. it's hard to be black. Porch is a great jam too, especially the unplugged version of Porch.

Here's something, did you, you know all these old videos you see of Eddie as he's, you know, climbing out on the end of the camera,

climbing all over the place. Those were often done, almost always done during porch. He's mentioned that on his interview with Howard Stern recently. He just did a three and a half hours interview with Stern. Was it good? I have to hear this. Yeah. I have a bootleg of it if you want.

I can send it to you. Yeah. Send it over. It's great. I mean, if you're a Pearl Jam fan, yeah, absolutely. It's nice to hear Eddie open up. It's interesting. He was talking about what a dick Pearl Jam fan, yeah, absolutely. It's nice to hear Eddie open up. It's interesting. He was talking about what a dick he was when he was younger

and some of the stuff that really bothered them then and he wished it hadn't. It's very good. All right. You want me to kick out your favorite song from the second album? Here we go. Another builder, right? Yeah, yeah.

You've got a style you're digging there. Yeah, this is definitely my chill list. Is this your get high in the backyard list, Bob? Is that what this is? I don't really get high. Neither do I. Do you feel like we're the last two guys not getting high? I mean, I, you know.

Like we still enjoy our music and we're not high. No, I mean, you know, since it's been legalized, you know, I've bought, you know, like a vape pen. You're ahead of me. You're ahead of me. You're ahead of me. I don't do it that often. Oh. You guys should have brought it.

This would be a great one to get high-tuned from. Here we go. I like the Ben Harper duet. This is what I was going to talk about. I'm stealing from you. It's a problem. That's right. be gone Oh, I will stand arms outstretched Pretend

I'm free to roam Oh, I will make my way through one more day in hell How much difference does it make? How much difference does it make?

It's a versatile band is what I, when I listen to all this stuff, like the down tempo stuff, they can, there's Noisy, the Vice, I don't know if Noisy's still around, but Vice Magazine, Vice the channel, they released a list, three or four different Spotify lists.

They're still out there. Like how to listen to Pearl Jam as a rock band, how to listen to Pearl Jam as a punk. Like how to listen to Pearl Jam as a rock band, how to listen to Pearl Jam as a punk band, how to listen to Pearl Jam as a folk band. And they, and they do, they exist on so many different levels. And,

uh, I know there are people who only, you know, stopped listening after this album basically. And they missed out on so much, you know? Oh, agreed.

We are preaching to the choir here. By the way, I have a note from uh mutual friend uh neil morrison aka brother brother bill uh he wants me to sing this i'm gonna try it bingo bob so he wants me to sing bingo bob to the sum to the even flow even flow that's true it would work bingo bob if still in a morning radio, we'd have to create a, a parody song. Okay. Talk to me about the album versus.

So follow up. So versus comes out. And at the time was the first album to sell 1 million copies in one week. Crazy. That's crazy. Very first week. It sold 1 million copies. The, the clamor for it was just unbelievable.

It got beat by a Backstreet Boys album later. The album, I mean, you talk about basically eradicating the sophomore jinx, right? There's no sophomore jinx with this album. This album is just as good as 10, in my opinion. In fact, they show their chops more on this album because they introduce songs like this, which has kind of got a real Pink Floyd vibe to it. But then you get Elderly Woman and Daughter,

which are acoustic guitar-forward songs. Right. And there's hard jams on this album. This album's got some heavy stuff. Rearview Mirror, which might be my favorite song from this album. Rearview Mirror is just this drive, it's a great driving song

literally. Their first, you know, you could say their first three albums might be three of the strongest albums ever, you know, released by a band in the sense of consistently how good the songs are. So you preferred verses to In Utero, for example, which was the big follow up to. I was never. You're not a big Nirvana guy.

I'm not a big Nirvana guy. Did you feel you had to pick a side? I hear this. No, no. Some people feel you had to pick one in the rivalry of somebody. No, I think here's the thing, I have a penchant, my personal, I love heavy music, but my personal

like definitely leans towards a softer side of music. I would have been listening to Gordon by Barenaked Ladies, actually, around the same time. I like, you know, What a Good Boy and Brian Wilson.

While Nirvana had a few lighter songs, I love Something in the Way. There's a few different songs, but they didn't have that versatility. They were a straight ahead kind of hard rock punk band that didn't have the versatility to show both sides

of things. I like a band that can rock and a band that can bring it down. I'm a band that can rock and a band that can bring it down. I'm a soft soul in my heart, Mike. Well, I already knew that about you. So that's nothing new to me. But this is, now it's a little controversial here, but would you say this album

includes the first misstep? What's your thoughts on Rats? Oh, no, I don't think Rats is a misstep. I think it's, you know, I think it's their first time they showed a sense of humor. The song's got a bit of a tongue

and cheekness to it. It's got a bit of a funk vibe, which they'd never done. You know, at the time, it wasn't cool to have a sense of humor. So you know, they wouldn't have never talked about it. But as you go along, especially if you see them live, they actually, there were some pretty funny guys in that band.

And really, the true misstep, it comes on the next album. Foxy, Foxy, Foxy, Mom, Pandle Mama. Because at least Rats is kind of a song. Yeah, yeah. No, well, it's experimental. Well, here, let's get to that next album. So here's another Bob band. Vitology. Stereo action.

Just making sure my headphones aren't broken. Ha ha ha. Once divided, nothing left to subtract. Some words when spoken can't be taken back. Walks on his own with thoughts he can't help thinking Futures above But in the past he's slow and sickened Carnival to lightning Caught a bolt of lightning Cursed the day he let it go Nothing left

Nothing left Nothing man Isn't it something Nothing man Part of the man trilogy. She wants belief Hold on, let me do this. Is that right? The man, that's different than the one with Alive and Footsteps.

That's Mama Son. Okay, so tell me what comprises the Man trilogy. Well, the two on this album, Better Man, Nothing Man, and Leather Man. Leather Man, right. Leather Man, a B-side that never made an album. And I joked, somebody had tweeted about, you know, we should go through every single live bootleg and our favorite tracks off it.

And I was like, oh yes, this brings us to Boise, Idaho, the year 2003. How many of those did you buy though? I bought a lot of those. Oh, I have a ton. And I also gifted a lot of them. A friend of mine who used to work, or who works for Universal Music,

he had a whole bunch and he gave them to me. But when he moved back, he moved back out west, my friend Dale. So I have a ton of stuff. My Pearl Jam collection is quite robust. I'll bet.

Including a vinyl copy of Vitology from 1994 when this came out. So which was interesting because in 94 when this album came out, nobody was releasing vinyl. Right.

Nobody was doing that. And I was one of the guys. I got everybody's uncle's vinyl collection because I still was collecting vinyl. Most of my vinyl collection is everybody's uncle's old vinyl. So I've got a lot of Prism and Pink Floyd. Nothing from Ivor Hamilton or Alan Cross. No. Well, my vinyl collection actually includes selections from the Q107 library. Floyd. Nothing from Ivor Hamilton or Alan Cross. No, well, I have

my vinyl collection actually includes selections from the Q107 library. The Q library? When I worked at AM640. Any Learren in there? There's no Learren. No, I apologize. There was no Learren. Kim Mitchell? No, I got a lot of Ramones and R.E.M. That doesn't sound like Q.

No, but they had it in the library. And I have, probably my, not to get distracted. Oh, I like it. Probably my two favorite that I have. I have the Tragically Hip EP, and I have Up To Here from the Q107 library, played on Q107, the band that broke Q107 in Toronto. Well, that's what introduced me to Up To Here is Q107. That's when I went out and bought it with my buddy Joe.

So I own the album that you heard on the radio. Yes, okay. station. I bought it with my buddy Joe. I own the album that you heard on the radio. So what happened was when they released this in 94, I have two memories. They released the vinyl a week early. They released it. So I went to Sunrise Records in Girard Square and I bought this on vinyl

and I had a record player and I got to hear the whole album a week before anybody else. Because of that. You son of a bitch, Bob. Beat us to it again. Because Spin the Black Circle is about vinyl. It's like a love letter to vinyl. Exactly.

Yeah, so in 94, just around when this album came out, Eddie Vedder was married to a woman named Beth Liebling. Yes, yes. She was in a band whose name I can't recall and I can't find right now. She came and played the Opera House and I was listening. I was in my aforementioned friend Phil's car

and we were listening to The Edge or Edge 102 as it would have been at the time or 102. I'm not sure which. No, it would have been 102.1 The Edge. Careful because Robbie J will correct you. Oh, I know too. I was there for all Edge 102. I was there for the entire... Which I still call it that and then I get corrected.

Well, because that was the greatest era. I mean, for guys our age. I know the old CFN wires are like, you know you! But I can remember somebody, it might have been Kim

live in Toronto. Kim Hughes. Kim Hughes came on. FOTM Kim Hughes. Yes, Kim Hughes came on the radio to say that Eddie Vedder came out and played with her band at the Opera House. It's Beth Liebling. Liebling, yes. Is the name of the... And she had a band that played

the Opera House. The band was called Hovercraft. That's it, and Hovercraft, and my friend was so upset that he missed seeing Eddie Vedder live, he pulled the car over on the side of the road and started pounding the hood of the car. Why didn't I go to that show?

I was like, well, first of all, I think we're only 18 at the time. We weren't even old enough to go. This album, Vitalogy. Yes. Excellent. Some other jams. I mean, I don't even know how you pick one,

but Nothing Man is a good choice. But you could have easily gone. I think Corduroy is a fantastic song. I don't get tired of. Everything has changed. Absolutely nothing's changed. It's phenomenal. And I like how that one builds.

It's got that crescendo build. I really, really, really like that one. So many cool things. Like, well, Tremor Christ is great, but Better Man's on this album, which is unbelievable. Which is probably one of their biggest hits, if there's a hit, you know. I mean, it's definitely one of their most radio-played songs.

Yeah, that and Daughter. Yeah, absolutely. I think you're right. I think you're right. Oh, it'd be in the top five for sure. Yeah, and I mean, you like a certain style of song. I think you would be a big fan of immortality. I think.

I do. Immortality about actually, uh, Kurt Cobain's death. Uh, there's the line about the cigar box and the letter. And it's very much very, it's not,

it's not a veiled, uh, kind of, uh, reaction to Kurt's death. And you're okay with, uh, Hey Foxy.

Hey Foxy Mop Handle Mama. Mop Handle Mama. That's me. It's fine. Again, on vinyl, you just kind of, ify Mop Handle Mama. That's me. It's fine. Again, on vinyl, you just kind of, if you're listening to it, you just let it go. It's fine. It is what it is. Okay, so here we are at the point in the program where a bunch of people, I think, drop off.

I think, I don't know what the sales numbers are like. Oh, for sure. Absolutely. After these first three albums. Because, I mean, you're still on the bus, right? I just got on. But Gigabot is an album you purchased. Gigabit?

Gigaton, by the way, actually. It's Gigaton. I even said it wrong. Gigaton. I actually, to be fair, I don't have it yet. I'm hoping to get it for Christmas. It was on my list of getting a vinyl one, but I have listened to it ad nauseum, yeah.

Okay. But I find in this band's career, I find it interesting. They have those monster big three albums, which are and then some people drop off. Let's play this song and we'll talk about it. You ready? Ready? Here we go. Do you see the way that tree bends? Does it inspire? Leaning out to catch the sun's rays

A lesson to be applied Are you getting something out of this old encompassing trail? You can spend your time alone redigesting past regrets. Oh, past regrets Oh you can come to terms and realize you're the only

one who can forgive yourself Makes much more sense to live Makes much more sense To live in the present tense And you see, this is my favorite Pearl Jam album. The Neil Young-inspired... Very much involved with it, yeah. You just much involved with it yeah you just put on glasses

i was just looking something up because obviously so present tense from no code 96 no code yeah um very much inspired if you've watched the pilgrim 20 documentary yes neil young very much involved in it um but recently uh during the pandemic, while we were all watching the Jordan documentary, the final song in the Jordan documentary is this. It's Present Tense by Pearl Jam. Yeah, I'm going to share a little story. I used to watch, what was the NBC Saturday afternoon NBA show? I think Ahmad Rashad was the

host. Yes. NBA this, I can't remember what they called it, NBA this week. Something like that, yeah. They used to do these montages to music and I remember Dennis Rodman was talking about Pearl Jam because he's a huge Pearl Jam guy and they did a big montage of bull stuff to Corduroy.

Amazing. I still remember. I gotta find that on fucking YouTube. I'm sure it's there. It just went so, it was soroy. Amazing. I still remember. I got to find that on fucking YouTube. I'm sure it's there. It just went so, it was so perfect. Like, anyway, I just, since you mentioned the Bulls. Well, and Eddie originally from Chicago. So he's a Bulls fan. Obviously, we know the Cubs side of his fandom.

But what's interesting is the power of that. And I mean, you remember this is, it's so funny about the Jordan documentary. It was only 10 months ago, but it feels like it was three years ago. Right? Like it's like, hey, that Jordan documentary that came out two years ago. I mean, when that dropped, I don't know what it dropped on a Monday or whatever it dropped on. Whenever it dropped for me on

Netflix? Yeah, so they were showing it live in the States. Right. So I didn't see it live anywhere, but I saw it the next day or whatever. But that was like that night watching the Bulls talk. It was saw it the next day or whatever. But that was like that night watching the Bulls doc. It was everything at the beginning of this pandemic. You're right. But doesn't it seem like three years ago? Yeah, because everybody was talking Tiger King,

Tiger King, Tiger King, but no, man. This was it. The Bulls documentary. So when this is the last song, kind of surprised, nobody knew, there was no press release or anything. The streams for present tense and the Shazams like up 800%. People are like, what is this song?

And us Pearl Jam fans are like, oh, it's just one of the greatest Pearl Jam songs. That's all. It is a great it's definitely underappreciated No Code because like I said, a lot of people dropped off before No Code and didn't bother. But I mean, like sometimes Hail Hail, like off he goes smiling. I mean, honestly,

this is a tremendous album. And good on you for picking Present Tense, which I think is definitely a hidden gem on No Code. Good for you. That's kind of what I was going for here. So, 96 we're at. I'm trying to get the... Yeah, we're at 96 here.

I'm going to remind people where we are in the years. Okay, so this is 1996. If you have an original copy on vinyl, it's worth a lot of money. What's a lot of money? Like 20 bucks? What's going on here? I mean, if you have it in mint, you get 500 bucks. Really? There weren't a lot of copies out there.

They've reissued it, and I have it, and it's great. But the original, yeah, you could get 500 bucks for it easily. But why would you sell it? No, and if you held on to it that long, you're a big fan. You should keep it. Come on, come on. And I'm just looking at the, so at this point,

they're all writing the material. Like they're, they seem to be sharing the songwriting. Like you have a song from Jeff Ament and then you have a song from Stone Gossard and then you have a song from Mike McCready and then you have an Eddie Vedder song. Like they seem to be still sharing,

sharing the load when it comes to writing their music. On this album, you have the first, this is a little tidbit, they have the first song that isn't voiced. The vocals are not Eddie. Stone Gossard does Mankind,

which is the very first time that the lead vocals are not done by Eddie. Also the lyrics are not done by Eddie on that. Right, right. Gossard wrote the lyrics too. Yeah, Stone Gossard did it all. So that was the first, and this, right around now is when the band almost imploded. 96 is also the

Ticketmaster fiasco is going on. The tour is going very poorly. Eddie's going off and doing his own radio show in the back of a van without the rest of the band. It was not a good scene. I saw them on this tour a few times and it

was Maple Leaf Gardens. I loved the show. I was drunk, but I remember the show quite well. I remember blood. Your mom might hear this, Bob, so be careful. I'm sorry. I was 20 at the time. I was allowed to be drunk,

and I remember seeing Eddie. It didn't bother me so much, but Eddie spent so much of the show during the solos offstage. He literally just leave the stage, and it spent so much of the, of the show during the solos off stage. Like he literally just leave the stage and, uh, and I, and I, it didn't dawn on me that he just, he maybe just wasn't enjoying himself. Interesting. Yeah. Interesting.

So is this a good time to take a moment to just revisit the origin of the band? Like did you? Sure. Sure. Go back to the tape and the Jack Irons and all that. Yeah. I mean the whole mother love boat, everything, uh, Green Yeah, I mean, the whole Mother Love Bone, everything. Green River, that's the other.

Right, okay, so, because my memory. Sure. My memory. Okay, go ahead. Tell us the origin story for Pro-Champ. So Mother Love Bone is a signed band with Stone Gossard and Jeff Ament, and Andy Wood is the lead singer. And if you see any footage of them,

they are still very much a remnant of the hairband explosion. Andy Wood is very Bret Michaels-like almost. He's a handsome blonde guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's like, he's got- And Crown of Thorns is a big song. Crown of Thorns, yeah, and Chloe Dancer. Right, that's right, that's right.

So those, so, and obviously a big moment is when they finally- But they're kind of like a band ready to break, right? And they're ready to go and Andy Wood ups and dies he goes and gives himself a little heroin overdose and he dies so they're got some money actually at that time they've signed they got they're doing okay

McCready's doing a bunch of stuff he's kind of the lead guitarist Stone Gossard was the leader of Pearl Jam right like that was the big thing and if you watch the documentary, like when, you know, Eddie comes along, that's why I'm fast forwarding too far. The band, so Andy Wood dies.

Eddie Vedder is in California and he is a surfer and he's in a band called Bad Radio. Right. And he is friends with Jack Irons, who at the time was the drummer for the Red Hot Chili Peppers. Right.

Jack Irons, who at the time was the drummer for the Red Hot Chili Peppers. Right. Jack Irons hears that the guys from Mother Love Bone are looking for a singer. They need a singer. And he was like, you need to find my friend, Crazy Ed. They called him Crazy Ed. Crazy Ed. And so they send this cassette tape to Eddie.

Eddie gets a cassette tape with basically the workings of three or four songs, including Oceans. Not Oceans, no. Alive. Alive's on there, yeah. Footsteps. Yeah. Which didn't make the album. Although it should have. It's a great jam. Oh my god. It's amazing. I listened to Footsteps. Footsteps was one of my top 100 listened to

songs last year. Now it must be on like a special edition of 10, right? Because I have it on CD. I had it on CD. There must have been a special edition. It would have been a bootleg. It would have been a bootleg with footsteps on it? Yes. Right. Okay. Dirty Frank is on there too. Dirty Frank is on that one and Wash is another one that's on there. Right. Okay. So

excellent. There's a cassette tape. Yes. This surfer guy in San Diego or whatever. So he's got a four track recorder. He literally listens to the music. He's got a four-track recorder. He literally listens to the music. He's got lyrics. Right.

He puts his lyrics to the songs, records himself singing it over. He actually, you can look this up online, he used an old tape. He didn't even use a new tape. He recorded over. Can I guess? A Neil Diamond cassette.

It was a Neil Diamond cassette. And he used liquid paper to cover it all up and then put Mama Son on it. Because he called it the Mama Son trilogy. Right. So he was like, what every good rock opera needs is incest and intrigue. And he sends it back to them. He sees an article in Rolling Stone magazine about them getting together. He's like, oh, I sent those guys some stuff. And like the next day, he gets a

call and they say, why don't you come on up to Seattle? And there you go. Okay, so how does this fold into Temple of the Dog? So at that time, Soundgarden has already released Bad Motor Finger. Fucking kills, man. Andy Wood was good friends with Chris Cornell.

And they come up, so he comes up to meet the band. Eddie comes up to meet Chris Cornell. And they come up. So he comes up to meet the band. Eddie comes up to meet the band. And in that time, they're recording Temple of the Dog. And that's when they first meet. And the first time that Eddie Vedder ever is professionally recorded is Hunger Strike. Wow. That's the first time he's ever recorded in a professional studio.

Wow. How crazy is that? See, I know this, and my mind is still blowing here just because Hunger Strike is still amazing. We've lost all non-Pearl Jam fans right now. But I think I warned them off the top. This wasn't the, I think before you arrived, I let them know if you don't like Pearl Jam, just skip it. There's literally

I don't know, there's like 800 episodes. Like you can skip this one if you don't like Pearl Jam. But you can also hate listen. Sometimes I hate listen to things. Sure. Okay. So then Pearl Jam's form. So from the remnants of Mother Love Bone. Yes. Which is

Jeff Ament, Stone Gossard. Yep. They add I think it was the Shadows I want to say is the name of the band that Mike McCready. McCready went through a bunch of different bands. Bunch of stuff. Okay. So McCready guitarist. Okay. Now Pearl Jam was until now it's been stabilized with Matt Cameron I guess. For the last 15 years or so. Yeah, I know. It's picked longer than all the others, but

who is he? Is it Dave Ambrezzi? Like, who's he originally? Abruzzi? Yeah, and then Kruzan. Kruzan was the first, I think. First one, right. And he left, he even admits, he couldn't get his shit together, he said. And Abruzzi's the only one who's still really angry of all the

all of them. And I don't, you know, there's a great, in the Pearl Jam documentary, Cameron Crowe does a little MTV versus, you know, a little battle scene about the different drummers. And it's just something, you know, drummers are weird people to begin with, right? Like drummers, goalies, punters, guys who kick. They're all weird. They're all weird. They're all weird, right? So yeah, Matt Cameron is... So the irony is on this album, I don't know if it's irony or not,

but on this album... No pun intended. Yeah, Jack Irons is the drummer for this on No Code. He's the drummer on this album. He toured with them a little bit too. So there you go. A good time to do that after No Code

because next is the album that they were touring in 98 and I'm wearing the shirt right here. Let's go. It's Led Zeppelin, right? I just wish it was nighttime. Like wouldn't it be nice if this was nighttime? Well, it'd be a lot colder. True.

True. in a corridor waiting locked down he got up out of there went for hundreds of miles sorry about that he made it to the ocean had a smoke and a tea the wind rose up set him down on his knee Waves came crashing like a fish to the jaw To leave him with his head in the air Ready now

Arms wide open with the sea at its front He's flying Flying Oh I Why Oh Woo! That is, uh, this would be the last really popular song on this list, by the way. They've performed this song.

No, I disagree. There's one more. Oh, yes, you're right. You're right. Yes, there is one more. Also, my procession song at my wedding. No, there you go. This is, they played this song 472 times.

And obviously, the similarities between this and going to California. That's way too similar, right? Right. You agree, right? Oh, 100%. That's the one everybody owns, Led Zeppelin 4. Yeah. And what happened was, and I find it interesting.

You know, you remember when Robin Thicke had that Blurred Lines song and the estate. Marvin Gaye. Marvin Gaye's estate sued Pharrell and him and all that for it. Yeah, and they won. And they did win, yeah. But what's interesting about this is Robert Plant was on Pearl Jam Radio on SiriusXM being interviewed by Mike McCready. And he joked about it.

And he said they were having a discussion about the repetitive nature of touring and playing the same song over and over again. And he jokingly said, he turned to Mike McCready, he's like, well, you know, when you guys play Going to California, I mean, what is that song called again? And he jokingly said, he turned to Mike McCready, he's like, well, you know, when you guys play Going to California, I mean, what is that song called again? And he joked, he goes, all I know is I never saw a check for it. But it was a joke. You know, it's like Tom Petty. It's passive aggression right there.

Tom Petty never sued the Red Hot Chili Peppers for, so Last Dance with Mary Jane and Rain Dance Maggie are identical. Tom Petty never sued them. Not once. And Led Zeppelin did not sue Pearl Jam for this at all. And Public Enemy never sued Madonna. Anyway, we'll get back to that one. But yeah, that's, you know.

Justify My Love is basically built on a Pearl Jam song. Security of the First World, I think it's called. A Public Enemy song, you just said. Public Enemy, not Pearl Jam. That would be great. That would be weird. So what you're saying is Public Enemy didn't sample somebody, they got sampled.

Right, but they were so vocal about how sampling's okay that they couldn't possibly be the hypocrites. No, they had to like, okay, go ahead. Okay, this album, I just want to say Yield, big fucking album. If you revisit Yield, you'll be like, oh, that? Yeah. That's a, what an album.

Like, from the get-go. I'm looking at the track list now. Brain of Jay, Faithful, Given to Fly, as we just played. But Wishlist is a beautiful list. That was a tough one not to include. Wishlist is one of my all-time favorite Pearl Jam songs. When they bust out the big, they often have a huge disco ball, and it's the only time

they play it is during Wishlist. Oh, wish I was. Fantastic. Do The Evolution is on this fucking album. Canadian content there with Todd McFarlane doing the video. That was the first video they did in years. It was the animated video. Is that their first video since 10? Yeah. First official video, yeah.

Yes, I remember that, and it was a great video too. Yes. That was a big fucking deal. But In Hiding is on this. Yeah. Just a fantastic album. Yeah, Yield, big deal. It was a good one.

Okay, 98. So just so you know, we're in 1998. Okay, holy smokes. Okay. That's when I really started traveling abroad to see them. I was 20. I think I was working at the Edge at the time. I drove down to Pittsburgh. You worked at the Edge?

Did I? Remind us though. You produced the Humble and Fred show. At the time, I was just an associate producer of the Humble and Fred show. Somebody might be listening to their first big blog episode. My main job was producing Martin Streak shows in the clubs. That was my main job.

What was his nickname for you? RQEQ. I was RQEQ. R. That was my main job. Right. And what was his nickname for you? Oh, he wanted to call RQEQ. Yeah. That was RQEQ. RQEQ, technical guy. Tim, lighten it up. DJ Dwight. Who?

Yeah. Yeah. So. All right. Love these stories. And this would have been the one I. There's a Toronto, if anyone wants to hear, there is a Toronto Mic'd episode live from the Opera House called Party for Marty.

That's right. Bob's on. A lot of friends of Martin Streak dropped by and came on that episode. Okay. I think everyone said yes, but one person. So here, let's kick out another Bob jam from the next album. Hey. It's worth the wait. Hammer is made out of wood I have played games with pieces and wheels

I'm deciphered, tricks at the farm But now you're gonna have them figured out Why I come up with riddles and jokes about war I've figured out numbers and what they're for I've understood feelings And I've understood words But how could you be taken away? And wherever you've gone

And wherever we might go It don't seem fair Today just disappeared Your light's reflected now Reflected from afar We were by stones Your light made us stars This is from the album Binaural. Which is an album that I think a lot of,

even a lot of Pearl Jam fans have a hard time with it's not I don't know it's very many people's favorite the last time they came and played Toronto they did two nights and I believe it was this so I saw them one of the two nights and the other one I had strep throat I had to stop and that

particular show on that tour was one of the you know bands will I mean Our Lady Peace did it where they toured. The whole tour was, we're going to do all of Clumsy one night and we're going to do all of Spiritual Machines one other night. Pearl Jam started, this tour started doing that randomly without announcing it. Right. There's a famous show.

They've only done it once and they did it in Philadelphia. It was their 10th show in Philadelphia where they played 10 from beginning to end. And they've never done that before. They played after I saw them last summer. I saw them somewhere in the States, and the next night was in Wisconsin, and they did all of No Code. They did, in Toronto, they did all of Binaural from beginning to end. And it is not, it's a tough one.

It would be tough if that's your first Pearl Jam show. It would be tough if that's your first Pearl Jam show it would be tough if that was your first Pearl Jam show you're like you gotta sit through 45 like an hour of music

you basically don't know anything on because there's no hits on this album okay well nothing as it seems was a big radio it was on the radio

it was a number one fair enough it was a number one radio hit in Canada because it was haunting and I remember because that was back

when I listened to radio including mainly 102.1 and that song was on high rotation and I thought it was yeah. And I remember when I, because that was back when I listened to radio, including mainly 102.1. And that song was on high rotation. And I thought, yeah, I guess you're right. That was the big one. Grievance wasn't as, no, nothing as it seems got lots of airplay.

But you're right. This wasn't a hit late in Pearl Jam album. No. And right around this time. Although Soon Forget is a fun little jam. Oh, there's some great songs on it. What's interesting, I don't know if you noticed,

Eddie's singing in a higher register here than he normally does. And what happened right around this time, what year is Binaural again? 2000 and... It is exactly 2000, May 16th, 2000. So around that time, we're coming up around the 10th anniversary

of Pearl Jam, right? They started going back into their catalog and they started re-releasing... I don't think it was 2010 necessarily but somewhere later on they did remasters. They had Brendan O'Brien go and remaster everything. Little known fact, Eddie Vedder went back into the studio

and re-voiced a lot of stuff from the early stuff for that because of, I shouldn't say, this is my inference, because of the whole opera man and all the Creed stuff. The Adam Sandler guy. All that stuff.

And how everybody said, oh, Eddie Vedder sings like this. And then Creed comes out and does a... If you listen to the remix stuff that came out actually a little bit after this, I'm a little ahead of myself. I think it was in the late 2000s. It's all revoiced. Eddie Vedder revoiced it all. And he had to retrain himself to sing because he would have

lost his voice had he kept singing the way he was. Very interesting. Very interesting. This is, by the way, the first album that includes the drummer Matt Cameron. Yes. And he's still there. Wow. And also, just because I went over to see the date

for the release, and I see that Eddie was experiencing writer's block. That was one of the delays putting this album together was Eddie Vedder's writer's block. And MacReady had a drug prescription drug. Yeah, he had some. Yeah,

exactly. But yeah, I know, you know what, you know what now? So you're still, Mike is still buying all the Pearl Jam albums. I bought binaural,

but this might be the last one I anticipated excitedly. Like I might be less excited about all future Pearl Jam releases. I don't know if I'm kicked out of the club, but I was... No, no, no. And you're a 10 club member, right? Of course.

I know. Of course I am. Shout out to Mofo, my longest 10 club member friend. Hello. Okay. Ready to kick out another... Yeah, Alex. So, and if I miss... Remember, don't leave any fun facts member friend. Hello. Okay. Ready to kick out another...

I miss a member. Don't leave any fun facts on the cutting room floor. I mean, with Light Years, Light Years came into the studio, if you want to know. McCready came into the studio with the song and him and Stone were working on it and they actually said it sounded too much like Given to Fly.

So they changed the tempo of it a little bit. And if you think about that, when you listen to the two side by side, they are kind of similar with the tempo change. Some food for thought. Yeah. Bob, I just want to say I'm having a great,

great afternoon with you here. I am having a great afternoon. Listening to Pro Jam with you is a delightful way to spend an afternoon. Oh, you're too kind. And thank you for not complaining about the cold like Stew Stone. That's all he does, man. Don't worry, he won't hear this.

Unless Cam tells him. Let the games begin Questions rise and answers fall In some mountain ball Love and bone, captain Take the reins and steer us towards the clear Is it appropriate for today? It's already been sung This is appropriate for today. face earthquakes making waves trying to shake the cancer off

to burn human beings once you hold the handle on it's all for now but only in making

the truth That when all is lost, there'll be you Cause to the universe I don't mean a thing And there's just one word I still believe in It's love. Also my favorite song in Riot Act, by the way, Love Boat Captain. Love Boat Captain written. Here's the little fun fact.

It is one of the only songs, I think, that is an original Pearl Jam song that is co-written, not by a member of the band. I have the best story and I can't tell you now, but in regards, anyways, I shouldn't have brought it up because this is a very, no one wants to hear somebody on a podcast say he's got a great story he's not going to share. But no, continue your thought. I know what you're going to say.

Boom, Gasper is the uh guy who he joined the band after me he's he's a touring member of the band he is not in the band he's not in the he's not in the hall of fame he's a hawaiian guy he's the guy who's always playing the big hammond he's playing the keys normally anything that's had keys in it before brendan o'brien the producer he's the guy who's been playing them not live but in the in the studio. Eddie meets Boom on a beach in Hawaii surfing, and they end up hanging out and start jamming together, and Eddie turns to him and says,

so when you coming to Seattle? And he comes up, and this was originally called Boom B3 was the original of this song, and Eddie put the lyrics to it, and it became Love Boat Captain. And I think I know the boom story. I think I know your story.

You know my story. I know your story. But shout out to my brother Steve who's probably a bigger Pearl Jam fan than I am. Wow, really? I think so. Yeah? Yeah.

So this is a, you know, this is a song that, I mean, obviously, I mean, hey, I love it when songs, it's interesting, it happens a lot in hip hop but doesn't happen a lot in rock music

when songs acknowledge other songs. I know it's already been sung, but it can't be sung enough. All you need is love. It's such a great line. He's quoting the Beatles. It's amazing. Yeah, I love it.

It happens in hip-hop all the time because there are always diss tracks and whatnot, but it never happens in rock, except for maybe Southern Man and Sweet Home Alabama. Southern Man don't need you around anyhow. No, good callback, Daniil, too. I do

think the song sounds a little like In Hiding. Sure, yeah. There's a little In Hiding there. I don't think you can get on a band for sounding like itself. Because if that was the case, ACDC wouldn't exist. That's true. That's true.

That's true. And then U2 would be fucked because every time you hear a song, oh, it sounds like U2. Now, Riot Act, the big jam I remember from 102.1, I remember they played a lot of, don't tell me, I Am Mine. Yeah, I Am Mine was the first single. But I mean, here's what happened to Pearl Jam on radio in general,

I would say is, I Am Mine would get released, it would get played for six months, six weeks, six to eight weeks, and then it's gone. And then if you, all these songs post basically Vitology are gone from radio. They're gone. Radio, because radio

tests music, right? And you've got to test your music, your eight to 12 seconds of your hook. And you go and you test your song. And what are people going to remember

the stuff that they heard the most, right? And they're going to remember, it's about familiarity. It's not necessarily They want black. They don't want to

hear Love Boat Captain. There's a reason you only hear Alive, Jeremy, Even Flow, Better Man, and Daughter on the air because they test the best. That's the only reason you hear them all the time on your alt

radio stations. But again, and this is not the song I'm about to play, but the one after that I feel like was kind of a anyways, we'll talk about it when we get to it. But it's still gone. It's gone too though. Is it gone? I don't listen to radio anymore. I have to take your word for it. You're not alone, unfortunately. Alright, let's kick out. So that was act yes uh and that was 2002 yep i think okay so then there's a little break here but let's let's come back of this one

or no actually i want to get these years right just before i press play on this okay so 2002 okay that's right so riot act is 2002 and then they have their self-titled album here's a song bob chose from the self-titled album four years later, 2006. If I keep holding out Will the light shine through Under this broken roof It's only rain that I feel I've been wishing out today Oh, oh, oh

Come back I have been planning out All that I'd say to you Since you slipped away? Know that I still remain true. I've been wishing out the days. We said if you hadn't gone now, I wouldn't have lost you another way. From wherever you are.

Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. Come back. Hidden gem indeed, Bob. I think a lot of people are hearing this for the first time. Well, here's the way I think of it. So first of all, the self-titled album, also known as the Avocado Album, because it's got that beautiful picture

of the avocado cut in half. This is a very 50s-inspired ballad from Pearl Jam. One of their biggest songs songs until our next song actually was uh last kiss the cover um well that's their biggest hit ever it's not now no what's their biggest hit ever the next song really yeah bob i didn't know that i just according to my research in the fun fact about last kiss no last kiss was their biggest sell their big uh was their biggest single ever okay the next song is actually considered their biggest single ever. The next song is actually considered their biggest.

But this particular one. So on this album, I was torn between this and Parachutes. I love Parachutes on this album. They've only performed this song 52 times. This is not a song they perform very often. It sounds like a slow song in a high school dance in 1958, if you ask me. Earth Angel. Exactly.

So for me, it just shows a little bit more of their diversity as a band and their sound. Apparently, the lyrics are about Joey Ramone. Eddie Vedder became very good friends with Joey Ramone and was there actually the night he died. He was in the room with the family. He was that big of a friend with Joe. You know, Eddie's friends have a lot of cool cats, right? Because he shows up in that Joe Strummer documentary, The Future

is Unwritten. Eddie Vedder might be one of the coolest people ever to walk the face of the earth. And he's in that Central Park Five doc all over that. He's all over it. Unbelievable. We're so lucky we still have this guy. I don't even, I can't not even. What, you think I jinxed him? No, I just, yeah,

I don't even, like when, when I was thinking about, I don't know what to talk about. Well, okay, well, Layne Staley,

I know there's a song that was, I think it was on the last album. They had, they recorded a song for the last album, I think, recorded the date

or written the day that Layne Staley, at least the day that Ed found out Layne Staley had died. And I didn't make the album. I think it was 4-20. It was the date,

actually. Oh, wow. Okay. But never made the album. But I was, you know, we talked earlier about Chris Cornell because he was in Temple of the Dog. And I mean, we all know

about Kurt Cobain and Andrew Wood has come up in this conversation. Scott Weiland, Shannon Hoon. Shannon Hoon is gone. Although Shannon's not really in this scene though. No, but he was huge at the same time. Yeah, I hear you. Well, and Scott Weiland, Shannon Hoon. Shannon Hoon is gone. Yep. Although Shannon's not really in this scene, though. No, but he was huge at the same time. Yeah, I hear you. Well, and Scott Weiland wasn't really in the scene either.

I mean, if you think about it, they're not a band from that area. Though when Plush came out, which I really liked, a lot of people told me. Heavily accused. I thought it was Pro Gem. Yes. Okay. So is Eddie Last Man standing, like from that Seattle scene? Well, I mean, you could really nerd out

and say like Screaming Trees. Well, single soundtrack, right. Yeah. And Courtney Love is still around from Hole. Yes. But again, she didn't, that's a, her Hole was kind of like

the second wave of that grunge sound, I would say. And it's a great album, don't get me wrong. Live Through This is amazing. Oh, the Melvins? There's a guy. There's other bands that

Pearl Jam often has open for them that are huge, right? Like from that era. I'm trying to think of, there's a couple bands that they always refer to. If you listen to Pearl Jam Radio and Sirius XM, they often will bring up these other bands

that kind of pave the way for them. Melvin's is definitely one of them for sure. Mudhoney. Mudhoney, there you go. That's who we're talking about. We're both thinking that's it. Mudhoney, okay. So we have a few. But yeah, good for, like, he seems happy now. We'll get to this, but he just seems he seems happy

and he's still relevant and I can't wait to hear this Howard Stern interview. But long may he run, as Neil Young would say here. So this is the self-titled The Avocado album, as you refer to it. And again, the big hit on this was Worldwide Suicide. Yes. That's a rocking song. I saw that.

Is it Worldwide Suicide that I saw played for the very first time? Oh. I saw played for the very first time? Oh. I saw it performed live. They played London, Ontario before they did their first shows at Wrigley. And it might be that. I think it was Worldwide. No, it wasn't Worldwide Suicide. Something off of a later album, off Backspace. So here's the big hit, this resurgence, if you will, from 2009,

which feels like yesterday, but it's actually 11 years ago. There's a fun fact for you. Here we go. Yes, I understand that every life must end As we sit alone, I know someday we must go Oh, I'm a lucky man to count on both hands the ones I love Some folks just have fun, yeah, others they got none Stay with me, oh, Let's just breathe. If I listen to this song alone, I will cry. This song will make me tear up.

Yeah, it's gorgeous. It's fucking gorgeous. It's beautiful. So, Just Breathe, as heard at my wedding to Monica. Yes. That's what it's most famous for, I think. Sure, yeah. That's what I often hear it referred to as the Toronto Mike wedding song.

What I don't believe, and I never want to doubt you, but I do not believe this was a bigger chart hit than Last Kiss. Digital singles. Biggest selling digital single. Digital singles. biggest selling digital single. It was certified platinum by the RIAA for the most digital single downloads. More than any, it's their very first one

to ever get that rating. So, the argument of like what has had the most, I could go online and find out which song has had the most radio play of all their stuff and it still would be something. It's gotta be maybe Jeremy. It's got to be, maybe Jeremy.

It would have to be something from that era for sure. It would either be Jeremy or. Daughter. Daughter maybe. Yeah. Better man maybe, you know, but digital.

Yeah. It's their only single certified platinum by the RIAA is this one, which is just a phenomenal song. Willie Nelson has covered it and sounds amazing doing it, but it's just one of those ones. I mean, you saw them do it on Saturday Night Live and it was amazing.

Now, the first single was The Fixer, which was a... It's a very good song too. Yeah. I like that song a lot. And that was your rock and single that you'd hear on 102.1 The Edge. But again, they'll play it for, and this is not a knock on them.

This is just an observation about alternative radio or any radio, really. You play it for six weeks. It goes out to testing, and it doesn't test well, and it's gone. Well, here's a fun fact for you. This album, Backspacer, was the first chart topper for Pearl Jam in the U.S. on the Billboard 200 since No Code. Yeah, it would be this song that would be the reason why. But what's also interesting going through all those is how big Pearl Jam is in Canada.

A lot of their songs went number one here on the Canadian rock charts that didn't go to number one here on the Canadian rock charts that didn't go to number one in the States. You can dig through those numbers on Wikipedia and whatnot. They're very popular here. And in 2005, the year I got married, they did a Canada-only tour, which is one of the... It was the two months before I got married. I think I saw Pearl Jam about 10 times. And I'm very lucky my wife married me even after that. Well, I hope her vision never returns. That's my wish for your wife.

Too easy. Okay. Are you ready for another Bob Pearl Jam jam? Yeah, we're coming up. We only have two left. This is the penultimate. Here we go. Hear the sirens Hear the sirens Hear the sirens Hear the circus so profound

I hear the sirens More and more in this here town More and more in this here town Let me catch my breath to breathe and reach across the bed Just to know we're safe, I am a grateful man This light is bit by light and I can see you clear Have to take your hand and feel your breath For fear this someday will be over I pull you close so much to lose

Knowing that nothing lasts forever I didn't care before you were here I didn't care with the ever after There's another one. This is Sirens from Lightning Bolt. And this is another one that I think really only true Pearl Jam fans love. I bring my wife up a lot because she has to. Because you love her. Because she has to listen to me listen to Pearl Jam so much.

She hears this, she calls this one just like, she thinks it's a little bloated, a little overproduced. So I've dropped off by now. Yeah. I don't even think I ever bought this album. Gilles Leblanc tweeted and said, the song that I was thinking of where I saw them perform it

first was Mind Your Manners, which another rockin' one. And they performed it in London, Ontario for the first time before they played it at Wrigley.

I love it when someone engages in real time. I know, right? Isn't that exciting? It's almost like you're on the radio again. It's almost like being on the radio again.

It's great. Somebody text in the 979. No, I don't know. Somebody text in the 979. And we're in 2013. Yeah, so this has got a real Pink Floyd vibe to it, I'd say. It's quite produced. It's got a political song. You know, their

political leanings are quite prevalent throughout most of their music. But it's a cool song to sit back and kind of throw the headphones on and listen to. It's got some really interesting production parts to it. Yeah, I'll take your word for it. I remember hearing Mind Your Manners

and this one, and I don't think I heard too much else, actually, from Lightning Bolt. Lightning Bolt has some really great art to it. It's very cool. I really... Well, you know, I'm stuck in the 90s there. So I make no apologies.

I do know that. You know what? And hey, you look at my top 100 of my Spotify playlist from last year. It's not a lot of new stuff, but I do try to. I just had a conversation with somebody on the podcast. It'll come out in a couple of weeks about. Who? You got to tease it.

It was Eric Alper. From that Eric Alper. I know him well, I guess. Yeah. So actually, you came up. It was. But we was talking about being at a, you know, the average person stops listening to music. I came up.

Whoa. Back up the truck here, Bob. Did he say good things? Because we're in touch quite often, man. No, it was very good things. It was very good things. It was very good things. I got to listen for that episode. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But, you know, the average person at 33 stops listening to new music, right? That's the average age. And I don't want to be that guy. Also, by virtue of what I do for a living. But, you know, you're listening to a band you loved when you were a teenager. Like, name a band, please. I want to hear. What's a band you're listening to frequently

that only existed in the last decade? The Glorious Sons. Who's only given birth in, okay, Glorious Sons. The Glorious Sons, The Dirty Nil. The Dirty Nil. Those two bands, I love, love those guys. Listen to them a lot.

But they're both Canadian bands. I worked in Canadian rock radio, so I wouldn't have been exposed to them. You only like bands when you can meet them. That helps. You can hang That helps. It does help. It does help, absolutely. Shout out to Rusty. I had a renaissance with Papa Roach because of that

because I interviewed those guys a couple times. Cut my life in two pieces. I saw Papa Roach open for Eminem, who was opening for Limp Bizkit in 2000. Yeah, I was there. I was thinking a lot about Nu Metal lately. Have you?

I feel like I can admit now that I like a lot of Nu Metal. I think I was embarrassed of it for a long time. I have a playlist right now. Yeah. It's called Angry Bob. Okay. And you've got Korn in there. I've got, but I have Break Stuff on there. I love Break Stuff.

It's just one of those days. Yeah, yeah. Do you have Bad Habit on there from the Offspring? I heard you talk about Bad Habit. I do have Bad Habit on there, you stupid, dumb shit, goddamn motherfucker. Yes. Yes.

Yes. I do. Yeah, so Lightning Bolt, it's a bloated, it's a big song, right? You know, either you're, you know, if you like it, you like it. If you don't, that's okay too. At this point, you know, in the Pearl Jam,

you know, they come up to this year, they release Gigaton, and the world, the pandemic starts, and they were supposed to tour. I was going to see them three times, I think, on that tour. I still have my tickets for whenever they reschedule. Gigaton comes out. They start with Dance of the Clairvoyants, which is not the song I picked from this album, but it sounds unlike any other Pearl Jam song you've ever heard.

Right. It's kind of like, yeah, it doesn't sound your way. I remember this. It's kind of like a drum track. I remember this. It's kind of got some electronic... Yeah, it's completely different. And the story of how they put together is interesting. It's like an Imagine Dragons song, maybe? I don't know. I kind of hear it again. No, it's not as produced as that. Yeah, but the song that I've picked here is

a song that is... It's not an Eddie song at all. This is a 100% Stone Gossard song. Kind of like Mankind off of No Code. This song is all... I mean, Eddie is doing the singing, but it is such a weird song. I love it. It's called Buckle Up.

See, that would have been great if we had to hit the post or something. That's your job. That's your job. That's true. I got blood, blood on my hands The stain of, of a human I finally awoke to my mother's wrath Gold eyes, red sores and sponge masks I love it, man. It's so different. I love it, man. It's so different.

And this album was released in 2020, right? Yeah. March 2020. This is fresh Pearl Jam from 10 to Gigaton. Yep. I have to dive in. I like what I'm hearing, though. It might be the first time I heard this song.

Yeah, no, it's a really good album. Gigaton has got some really... And it's got some classic stuff. There's a song called Superblood Wolfmoon or something like that. It's a straight-ahead rock song, like a Pearl Jam song. It's a good album,

and it would have been interesting to see it done live. I mean, we'll see it someday. Yeah, Superblood Wolfmoon. Yeah, close your eyes for a minute, Bob Willett, and imagine, let's say we all get vaccinated and things return to normal and Pearl Jam is able to go on tour

as they were supposed to this year. Yep. How amazing is it going to feel when you're at that Pearl Jam show having come through all this fucking shit? You'll be like Andy in Shawshank Redemption. Like, you just, yeah. You crawled through that shit.

You came out clean on the other side. How amazing is that going to feel when you're sing-along with Eddie in the game? I will say this to give you a perspective of how good that's going to feel. I still say one of my favorite feelings in the world is to be at a Pearl Jam show. There is nothing like... Because the energy overwhelms you. You're feeding off fellow fans. It's a communal event.

I get chills when I think about it. No, that's why we all love live music. Yeah. So their music is an individual thing, right? It's how you relate to it personally in your car or however you listen to music. When you go and you see them live and there's the anticipation of the show starting,

there's all kinds of ritual that happens with any show pearl jams become like kind of like this that that band like like the grateful dead or fish or even dave matthews band all these bands that tour jam band jam bands that that but that have people who follow them sure and and there are certain expectations that you know that when he goes one two three four five against one five five five against, five, five, five against one, you're doing it with your hand and you're doing it all. And you're doing it together. And it's just I can't wait. I have tickets already reserved for the Toronto, Hamilton and Ottawa shows from my 10 club membership for when it does finally happen. Well, Bob, the vaccination's coming, man.

I know. Buckle up. Buckle up, baby. Bob, you know what?'s coming, man. I know. Buckle up. Buckle up, baby. Bob, you know what? Fuck it. Let's say we get a mild winter. Would you come back and just keep doing bands like we did Pro Jam today?

Yeah. What would be the next band? Would it be the Tragically Hip? Tragically Hip, probably, yeah. I would do that. That's another one of my favorite bands. Me too. What would be your third band?

Go ahead. No, finish your... I was going to say, they're my most listened to band this year on... Oh, and remind us... I had Jake Gold on. I was going to say... they're my most listened to band this year on... Oh, and remind us... I had Jake Gold on. I was going to say, you better plug my... So Bob's Basement.

Yeah. Like, it's no Toronto Mike, but it's pretty fucking good. Thank you. Is that your tagline? Yeah. I have it on my business card. It's no Toronto Mike, but it's pretty fucking good. No, there's lots of room on...

No, there's room on your iPhone for all of us. Yeah, my last guest was Jake Gold. He was the manager of the Tragically Hip for 17 years. Then he wasn't the manager of the Tragically Hip Jake Gold. He was the manager of the Tragically Hip for 17 years. Then he wasn't the manager of the Tragically Hip and now he's the manager of the Tragically Hip again and had Jake on

to talk about that and yeah, I would do Tragically Hip next and then after that, you know what? You know who I'd do? Hey, wait, no. Let me guess.

Let me guess. You would do the White Stripes. No. I don't know why it's a random guess. No, I think it was cool. No.

Rusty. No. Come on, let's hit it. Oh, Killjoys. Nope. Okay, tell me. I would do Barenaked it. Oh, Killjoys. Nope. Okay. Tell me. I would do

Barenaked Ladies. Oh, yeah. I would do Barenaked Ladies after that. I put Stephen Page on Humble and Fred today.

I know. I saw that. I've been talking to his man. There's a whole thing. Yeah. Well, I mean, that's who I talk to.

Yeah. There's a history there, but you can kind of bum off that history, I feel, where guys like me, we can't leech off that history.

Well, that's what I said. I tweeted it. I was like, I'm a direct descendant of the Humble and Fred show. And Paige is an excellent interview. Paige is an amazing interview. Your interview with him was excellent the last time you had him on. I have met him on several occasions and he's always been very kind. He's going to come on in the new year, I think,

to the Bob's Basement podcast. So subscribe to Bob's Basement now so you don't miss Steven Paige. Although, I will say this. I'm recording on Friday from a 90s Canadian band. I don't think you've had him on. Okay, wait, wait, wait. I think I told you.

Hold on. There's a lot of them, but hold on here. No, but I think I already told you. You can't remind me. Who is it? Trevor Hurst of Econoline Crush is coming on my podcast.

Okay, that's named after a Neil Young lyric. Yeah. Econoline Crush is a Neil Young lyric. So it all goes back to Neil. It does. I just thought it was about an Econoline van, actually. Yeah, Trevor Hurst is, we talk about change. He's a registered nurse right now.

And he's doing a documentary about Econoline Crush. And also, going back to your Pandemic Fridays, how important was Big Shiny Tunes to Econoline Crush? Did you listen to that episode? I've listened to parts of it. I haven't listened to it at all. Because Mark Teo was the special guest who wrote the book. He wrote the book.

I have it inside. Yeah. What an episode, that Big Shiny Jams episode. We need some Bob on our pandemic Fridays. Well, what's happening this Friday? What's the theme? I told you, Thursday night is... What's the theme?

Do I get to bring a song? Kind of abstract. You with me? Okay. We're each kicking off five jams that basically surmise our 2020. Oh, that's so esoteric. Yes. I mean, I spent a lot of time picking these jams, and I can't wait to deliver them to

the people. I will come on. I mean, I feel like you and Cam and Stu got something good going. Well, they started this on March 20th, and now we're sort of stuck with it. I think it's 39 episodes now. It's amazing. It's great. Is it getting people through the pandemic?

That was the goal. That was the goal. Little did you know it would be this long. We're just halfway there, I think. Thanks for having me, man. Bob, always a pleasure. Enjoy your pasta lasagna. Fucking great kicking out these pearl jams.

Cheers, man. Thank you. Fucking great kicking out these Pearl Jams. Cheers, man. Thank you. And that brings us to the end of our 766th show. You can follow me on Twitter. I'm at Toronto Mike. Bob is at Bob Willett. Our friends at Great Lakes Brewery are at Great Lakes Beer.

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