Toronto Mike'd: The Official Toronto Mike Podcast - Peter Bulut KOTJ: Toronto Mike'd #272

Episode Date: October 18, 2017

Mike and Peter play and discuss his ten favourite songs....

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Starting point is 00:00:00 And right now, right now, right now it's time to... Take out the jams, motherfuckers! I'm in Toronto where you wanna get the city love I'm from Toronto where you wanna get the city love I'm a Toronto Mike, you wanna get the city love My city love me back for my city love Welcome to episode 272 of Toronto Mike A weekly podcast about anything and everything Proudly brought to you by Great Lakes Brewery A fiercely independent brewery celebrating 30 years
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Starting point is 00:01:08 of your bills in one spot. Download the app today from paytm.ca I'm Mike from torontomike.com and joining me this week to kick out the jams is President and Chief Brewing Officer Peter Bullitt.
Starting point is 00:01:29 That's quite the title, Peter. Thank you. Love it. Chief Brewing Officer. The CBO. You know, this morning, so we scheduled this, you know, weeks in advance. And then this morning, news broke that Gore Downey passed away yesterday. And I had this moment of like, how do I kick out the jams of Peter with this heavy heart I
Starting point is 00:01:53 have? Like, it just hit me like a ton of bricks. So I actually came into the basement. This is like, I don't know, 9 a.m. this morning. And I recorded, so just to let people listening at home know, I recorded a 26-minute standalone, I don't know what to call it, bonus audio or whatever. It doesn't get an episode number. There's no sponsor mentions or anything. I just play hip tracks and I tell some stories about Gore Downey and the Tragically Hip. So if you want to hear my little hip tribute, it's in the feed, so subscribers have it pushed to them but I also put a link in the Gord Downie entry that I wrote
Starting point is 00:02:26 at torontomic.com today so feel free to check that out yeah I totally totally missed that because I sent you the tracks a couple days ago
Starting point is 00:02:36 and right so it's not there's no hip yeah there's no hip but if you had to do it today would you put hip in there I would like
Starting point is 00:02:44 there would have to be one song for sure. I mean, we could do all 10, but you did that. I've done that. So listen to my hip tribute. And yeah, it's a great loss. I don't know if you're a big Tragically Hip fan. I was for sure back in the day. And you saw them, did you catch them at their, you know, another roadside attraction
Starting point is 00:03:05 and all those gigs or just listen to the CDs? Just listen to the CDs. Cool. Wow, they were tapes back then. You know, I'm trying to think. I think I actually started my hip, in 89 I bought my first hip album
Starting point is 00:03:19 which was up to here and I bought it on CD. So I think I was into CDs in 89. I had switched over at that point. That was still probably a bit early for me. I think I was into CDs in 89. I had switched over at that point. That was still probably a bit early for me. I think I was still on tapes only because my car had a tape player. Well, that'll do it.
Starting point is 00:03:31 That'll do it. I actually wish my car now had a tape player because they have these auxiliary, you can stick the tape in and then you can use it as a... A wire. Right. Yeah, I know.
Starting point is 00:03:41 I had all those. So my car is a 1999 car and it was the first year that I think CD was standard instead of cassette. And I'm kind of pissed off. I missed it by one year. I want the cassette in my car. All right, Gord's gone. That is too bad. But I actually segue out of that and talk about a different Gord, if you don't mind. But first, let me crack open. Yeah, I think we should have a cheers to both Gords. Yeah, let's do that. So for Gord Downie you don't mind. But first, let me crack open. Yeah, I think we should have a cheers to both Gords. Yeah, let's do that. So for Gord Downie,
Starting point is 00:04:08 great Canadian legend, and you know, he's gone 53 years too young, but his music will, you know, live forever. Forever, for sure. And hopefully my great grandchildren pop in fully completely at some point and listen to some Gord Downie. So here, now this is a Canuck Pale Ale
Starting point is 00:04:23 with Gord Levesque. Gordy Levesque. Gordy Levesque on the cover. So here now, this is a Canuck Pale Ale with Gord Levesque. Gordy Levesque. Gordy Levesque on the cover. So let me crack this open. All right, I'm going to do the same. To Gord. To Gordo. So Gordy, speaking of Gordy Levesque, though,
Starting point is 00:04:44 I want to tell you what happened to me like this was like a week ago i think i'm biking along the waterfront which i do every day and i have this moment where i'm biking and i see a guy running he's running along the waterfront and he's dressed exactly like gordy levec from these uh cans of canuck pale ale and i had this like like i did this whole double take. Like am I, did I have one too many before I hit, you know what I mean? Yep.
Starting point is 00:05:08 Is that a lumberjack running on my waterfront? And then on my way back, I saw him again. And I took a photo. I actually, I got off my bike and I'm like,
Starting point is 00:05:16 no one's gonna believe me. Like I'm gonna go home and tell people on Twitter, hey, I saw a lumberjack running. It's like, yeah, like picture or it didn't happen. That's right. Did you notice his footwear? Yeah, he had the noticed the footwear i noticed he had the whole thing when he
Starting point is 00:05:28 had the hat the suspenders or the the flannel shirt like the pants like these weren't running pants these were like this is like lumberjack pants and i took a photo and i tweeted it and then i got a tweet back like you can tell the story but this is a guy who is going to run the marathon this upcoming weekend dressed as Gordy Levesque from the Canuck Pale Ale of Great Lakes Brewery. Tell me the story.
Starting point is 00:05:53 Yeah, he's been training for quite a while. Mostly the footwear, he said, has been the hardest struggle, wearing these boots, basically. And he is running marathons. He's been training, so he actually just runs to the brewery
Starting point is 00:06:05 and just shows up randomly. And he's like, hey, I'm here. I just went for a 15K run. What's his name? Dan Grant. Dan Grant. And Dan Grant is doing this not because he's crazy,
Starting point is 00:06:15 but because he's money for charity, right? Money for charity, and he's also going for the Guinness record. Get out of here. Yeah. So there's a record for that. There's a record for everything. There's a record for everything. Like fastest marathon by a guy dressed as a lumberjack. Get out of here. Yeah. So there's a record for that. Like there's a record for everything. There's a record for everything.
Starting point is 00:06:25 Like fastest marathon by a guy dressed as a lumberjack. That's a category. Exactly. That's amazing. Yeah, he's a great, great dude. And he's brought the Toronto Running Group quite a few times to Great Lakes, all in support of charity. There was one where they, you know,
Starting point is 00:06:42 I think they put the pot out and I got to shave his head. And he had like, he had good hair. Like if I had hair like that, I would definitely not shave it. But this guy is hardcore. So he's grown it back out again to get the look of Gordy. But yeah, right down to the hat and the boots. This guy is a champ. I love this guy already because, yeah, the boots, you mentioned the boots.
Starting point is 00:07:01 But I did notice that. And they look like those heavy boots you buy at the TNT at the corner here. That's right. They got the surplus shop, right? Yeah, exactly. They got to weigh like 30 pounds or something. I don't want to... I mean, I can't think of running a marathon anyways, but yeah, he's amazing.
Starting point is 00:07:16 Yeah. Awesome guy. Cool. Now, I'm going to ask you another question about the radio station 1010. Newstalk 1010. News Talk 1010. News Talk 1010. All right. Yeah, I came to Great Lakes Brewery on Saturday for a collaboration brew.
Starting point is 00:07:31 I crashed the party, you know. You did. That was fantastic, though. And I brought my two little ones, too. Yeah, that's right. You got hugs? Yeah, they don't know who they were seeing. I snapped a picture with Jim Richards, but I got to see Siobhan Morris, who's been on the show a couple of times.
Starting point is 00:07:44 I snapped a picture with Jim Richards, but I got to see Siobhan Morris, who's been on the show a couple of times. Ajwa, who I knew from the Dean Blundell show, because everybody liked to write me emails all the time to tell me what Dean said today or whatever. Right. And John Moore, who was one of the few guests who was completely booked to come in and got denied by his boss. So tell me exactly what all the people, like Jerry Agar was there, and they were all there. They were all there. What were they doing? Well, they were brewing a lovely batch of in-depth and interactive IPA, and everybody got to throw a bag of grain in the brew to start it up. And they were stirring it up.
Starting point is 00:08:26 it up and they were stirring it up and they stayed through the whole process and learned uh learned a lot about beer and great lakes brewery and what what we do and why we do it and how we do it i gotta mention also i forgot to say it uh jay was there too he's he's been on a couple of times but mad dog jay michaels who is at 10 10 now he was there too he was there with his wife it was good to see to see him uh but so like can you just tell me a little bit about like how this comes together like do you go to 10 10 or does 1010 come to you or is it like is this something like we're going to hear on the air they'll talk about it and yeah cross promotion thing exactly you're gonna already i i had a few buddies call me up and say that they were uh just talking about their experience at great lakes and what they learned about about us and beer making and um
Starting point is 00:09:03 you know we toured them on on the whole plant and the facility, and the line was running, so they got to see firsthand in the back dregs of Great Lakes Brewery. That's cool. My two kids, my youngest two, they were just running around wildly, and I'm like, don't drink that, okay? Don't put your fingers in the drain. And I think some, yes, I believe some Cheerios may have fallen in some beer
Starting point is 00:09:31 and they may have eaten the Cheerios, but they seemed pretty sober, I think. Yeah, they were good. But they had a good time. And I had a good time. Like I said, I've been trying to get, if you can get any pull with Jim Richards, get him on this show.
Starting point is 00:09:42 Because I had to phone him. Like, I had to phone him, but then he was down the street. I almost said, like, look, I'll come pick you up and I'll bring you to my home studio because you're at Queensway in rural York and just come south. Yeah, it was a great day.
Starting point is 00:09:55 It was a great day. It wouldn't be complete without Dino's Pizza, of course, wood-burning oven. And who else is around? The Pie Guys. Oh, Pie Commission. Pie Commission. And then San Remo if you need the coffee The Pie Guys. Oh, Pie Commission. Pie Commission. I'm thinking of...
Starting point is 00:10:05 And then San Remo if you need the coffee and the donuts. Oh, yeah. Espresso. That's the South Toronto Quartet, if you will, that you just sort of went to. You nailed it there for sure. Those are the three. That's why I have to bike so much because I would weigh like 400 pounds. Right.
Starting point is 00:10:20 All this around me. That's cool. Now, by the way, I was recently... And I've been there a lot lately at Great Lakes, but I was there recently with the chap who, he's putting together the Kick Out the Jams Google Sheet. So I just wanted to say a little few words about that, which is, you need the link, like you can write me or tweet me, I'll send it to you. But I have posted about it on torontomike.com. But there's a Google spreadsheet of everyone who kicks out the jams and all the jams get listed
Starting point is 00:10:47 and there's a lot of like fun facts, if you will, like the number of jams from each decade, the oldest jam, the youngest jam, how many jams per artist. I think the hip are in second place right now. Right. And it's really cool. So Tyler, I want to say thanks to Tyler
Starting point is 00:11:01 for just doing it like as a fan. So I bought him a few pints at Great Lakes Beer to serve as payment, I suppose, for doing this. And I actually said to him, I said, Tyler, I love this so much, but it's almost like a spoiler. Like if today we see Peter's jams on the spreadsheet, it's almost like I want you to listen and then hear it. Be surprised. Yes, right. So he says, we wait one week. One week from the time you kick out the jams
Starting point is 00:11:25 till it appears on the spreadsheet. So you've got to listen first and then you can see it on there. Yeah, yeah. That's great. That's great. That was actually when I sent you the email on the list, it was a really tough task for me because there's so much music and I'm like from Beethoven to Tool.
Starting point is 00:11:42 And everything in between. You run the gamut. From Soca to Reggae to, you know, obviously skewed a little bit that way, but, you know, the old Metallica, Guns N' Roses, like all that stuff. So that was a tough 10, I'll tell you. So did it, like, did you find yourself whittling it down? Like you start with like 50 and the next thing you know, you're at like 40 and then 30 and 20. And then you finally kind of nail it down to 12 or 11. Yeah, I guess you could say maybe I cheated a little bit. So I reached out.
Starting point is 00:12:12 Excuse me, Peter? Maybe. No, because I asked buddies and wives. Because you forget often about a lot of the songs that you like. Because I've got only a four-minute, maybe a four-minute drive to work. So I don't have much tune time, if you will. And. You got one tune to commute. Exactly.
Starting point is 00:12:30 That's a good thing. So reach out to buddy, wife, hey, what would be your top five? Or what would be your top three? And, you know, I just, I hate that song. I'm not picking that one. But, so if you call that cheating, I don't know. I think it was just like research.
Starting point is 00:12:42 I was doing research. As long as you can say for the record now, before we proceed, that these are your 10 jams. These are my 10 jams. 100%. That's all I care about. By the way, we mentioned, of course, Gore Downey passed yesterday, but the day before we lost John Dunsworth, who played Jim Leahy on the Trailer Park Boys. Right. So in honor of that, I'm just going to play a little clip, and then we're going to discuss a little bit about your involvement with Great Lakes Beer before we kick out the jams. But here's a little, if I can find it here, just a second here. I'm going to dig it up in my archive here. See, this is live here. Where are you? There you are. This little clip I want to play.
Starting point is 00:13:20 Where are you? There you are. This little clip I want to play. Randy, what do we usually do in this situation? Normally we call the cops, Mr. Lane. And then what happens, Randy? Well, then they come and they arrest the boys and they go into jail. For a few months, right.
Starting point is 00:13:42 We need to eliminate them permanently, Randy. How do we do that? Who owns the hash in the driveway? Cyrus and his gang. Exactly. Randy, I got $100 here for groceries, I got $1,400 here for liquor, and I got $6,000 for you to go and bail out a couple of shit puppets.
Starting point is 00:14:02 We may need a few more shit puppets for our play, Randy, and they gotta be angry shit puppets. And you gotta make them angry. You say whatever it takes to get them angry, but they're not angry at us, Randy. Shit puppets are supposed to be angry at other shit puppets. Take the bus. Listen, Mr. Lee, they could kill one another. Wouldn't that be nice?
Starting point is 00:14:22 Yeah, but we can't be involved with murder. Exactly, Mr. Leahy, they could kill one another. Wouldn't that be nice? Yeah, but we can't be involved with murder. Exactly, Randy. Mr. Leahy, is this you talking or the liquor? Randy. I am the liquor. Jim Leahy, I am the liquor. Jim Leahy. I am the liquor. I couldn't resist.
Starting point is 00:14:48 So rest in peace, Jim Leahy. So Peter, you're actually Peter Bullitt Jr. I am. There's a Peter Bullitt Sr. There was. We unfortunately lost him September 30th, 2009. Yeah, I'm sorry to hear that. But he's an important part of the Great Lakes Brewery puzzle here
Starting point is 00:15:05 because back in 1990, is that right? He's the one who purchased Great Lakes Brewery back in 1990? 1991. Okay. 1991. So that's why you're here, because my crack research staff forgot to carry the one. Right. And that's when...
Starting point is 00:15:21 My notes, I hope these are right, that you... Your dad made the change from malt extract brewing to all grain. Day one. And brought the brewery to its current home at 30 Queen Elizabeth Boulevard. Yep. Yeah, great story about the building. He, in his entrepreneurial spirit back in the 60s or 70s was doing some work on Queen Elizabeth Boulevard in one of the buildings there where Costco now sits.
Starting point is 00:15:51 As there used to be three buildings in that block, not one monster Costco where all the crazy people go and shop for big stuff. And he always said, if I ever get a business where I need a building, this is the street it's going to be on. And he literally said when he got the brewery, the first thing he did was drive down to Queen Elizabeth Boulevard, and lo and behold, there was a for lease sign on the front of that building. And that's when it made its move. Because before that, was it in Brampton? Where was it?
Starting point is 00:16:19 It was in Brampton, right on the industrial corner of Clark and West Drive. That's not South Toronto. It's a good thing that your dad moved it, or we might not be having this discussion right now. That is correct. That is correct. And you mentioned, of course, your dad passed away in 2010. Is that right? 2009.
Starting point is 00:16:38 2009. I've got to carry that one. And that's when you become chief brewing officer? Pretty much. carry that one. And that's when you become chief brewing officer? Pretty much. Definitely the last almost
Starting point is 00:16:49 10 years prior to his passing, I was sort of running the facility and the plant, of course, with his guidance and his swift veto was the big one because being a half Greek, half Serbian guy, he was larger than life and if you did something wrong, you were told with some foul words.
Starting point is 00:17:07 But not in English, right? These swears were in Greek? Oh, no. Oh, no. He was a master of the English language. And I mean, for those who don't know, and we talk a lot about Great Lakes Brewery on this show,
Starting point is 00:17:20 but for three years in a row, 2014, 2015, and 2016, you've been named the best brewery in Ontario at the Golden Tap Awards, and that's voted on by citizens of Ontario. That's a pretty good run. That's a huge run. And I think the Golden Taps, you know, obviously it's nice to win awards in any show, but when it's voted by the people, obviously, that's a much more humbling award to win when it's by vote. And we're not big on stacking the votes, if you will. It's not like I call all my buddies and say,
Starting point is 00:17:58 hey, you got to get online and vote. Stuff the ballot box. Yeah, we're not about that life. So it just sort of happens organically, and it is a huge honor for sure. Okay, so 2017, when does this go down? Has it gone down yet, or is this coming down? Like, when does it go down in 2017?
Starting point is 00:18:15 The anniversary or that golden tap that we did? The golden tap awards. No, we didn't get it this year. Okay, that's what I'm going for here. Otherwise, your notes would have changed. They would have been definitely 17, or I would have been going, whoa! In my mind, I'm thinking, well, of course they're going to win again.
Starting point is 00:18:28 So this must be like a November thing or whatever. Unfortunately. You don't have to name the winner, but if you did, I could trash them. I could on social media tell them how terrible their beer is. No, we're not about that life either. All these guys out there, these are our comrades and buds and I wish them nothing but the best of success. Ah, we're not about that life either. All these guys out there, these are our comrades and buds, and I wish them nothing but the best of success.
Starting point is 00:18:49 And when we win, obviously we jump on our chair, and when we don't, we sit on it and cheer for our buds. I notice that's a nice thing about you independent craft brewers, is that it's like a community, like a consortium or whatever. There's no competition. It's like rising boats float, you know, whatever that is. Yeah, rising tide. That's like a rising boats float to know whatever that is. Rising tide. That's the one. Something rises and the boats rise and everybody's happy.
Starting point is 00:19:11 No tidal waves. No tsunamis to worry about. That's very cool. What's your favorite? Like right now we're drinking the Canuck Pale Ale, but what's your favorite brand of beer right now at Great Lakes Beer? So what's your go-to? Well, I guess, you know, the standard line is whatever's in my hand right now. That's right. But I'm really all about the low ABVs. So this summer, Sunnyside was definitely the go-to. I crushed a lot of those just because you can.
Starting point is 00:19:38 And, you know, you can still function as a human and have many. And I just like to drink the liquid, obviously, because that's what I do for a living. And, you know, pumpkins got a special place in my heart, for sure, this time of the year. But, you know, try not to drink too many because it's more than 5% alcohol. Well, let me ask you that. So, like, you have access to all this, like, free beer, if you will. So do you have a little rule, like I stop at this many or I allow myself this many a week?
Starting point is 00:20:11 How do you kind of track that? Because you don't look like you weigh 300 pounds. No, I'm not even 200. No, so I'm kind of impressed here. There's no beer gut going on here. No, you know what? I think just over the years, I've honestly worked quite hard
Starting point is 00:20:28 for the success that we've achieved at Great Lakes. And it's not from working hard in a chair. It's from actually running around the plant because I used to be the filterman. I used to be the driver. I used to be the bottle operator. I did it all.
Starting point is 00:20:44 So I really hate sitting in the chair, I'll be honest. Well, I've noticed this. Okay, so thank you for mentioning this. So like I've mentioned, I've been at your brewery. You know, I come quite often, you know, usually on Fridays, but I come over here and there. And I see you getting your hands dirty. Like you're not sitting in some office upstairs,
Starting point is 00:21:02 like barking orders at people. Like I've seen you. You're lifting stuff into trucks. You're doing whatever it takes, which I think is cool. So good on you for getting your hands dirty in the day-to-day operation. Thank you. We've grown up to 45 people. And there's definitely, over the years,
Starting point is 00:21:23 you meet with some different business consultants because you think, oh, maybe let me get some advice here and there. And you know what? When I get dressed up, it's a golf shirt for work. And just in case I get dirty, because I do like to get in there with either the maintenance crew or the bottling crew. If there's something I can help with or make easier or show someone how to do something better, of course, I can. I still got a little bit of the old man in me because you're not doing that right. So let me show someone how to do something better of course i can you know yeah i still got a little bit of the old man in me because you're not you're not doing that right so let me show you how to sweep this floor that's right you know no good i always think like if i
Starting point is 00:21:52 ever own something like that like i'm gonna be like you man i want to be loading the truck i don't want to be like sitting in some office or whatever some white collar stuff like let me get down and dirty with the guys and get get this for sure guys and gals there's there's definitely a lot of work to do on the admin side. And that's where all of the data lives and how you try to streamline and gain efficiencies and stuff like that. But it's so much of my DNA that I normally know that just by watching what's going on. I don't need to see a spreadsheet. And I know how the business is going by how many times that truck leaves the bay. You know, there's a lot of gut that goes into the day-to-day decisions.
Starting point is 00:22:31 So when you introduce a new brand, like there's a new brand coming out or whatnot, like what's the process for introducing a new brand? Like, can you tell me like maybe like what the process is? And like my question is always like, does a guy in your position have veto power? Can he take a sip of this thing at some point and say, we're not doing this, this is awful, or this isn't up to our standards? So how does it work when you introduce new brews? As far as I'm concerned, we've got the best brewing team in the province. You know, a lot of the experimental and recipe development done by our man, Mike Lackey, very often it's just a subtle passing me a glass and say, what do you think?
Starting point is 00:23:13 And I'll be like, oh, my God, this is awesome. And that's normally what happens if I think it's too bitter or not balanced or, you know, I'll give my notes and he may agree or disagree. But usually, for sure, veto power, absolutely. We've had some odd names that have come across. I want to say the desk, but it's not when I'm sitting. It's usually in passing. So you vetoed some names of these things. Yes, I have. Can you tell me any names you vetoed?
Starting point is 00:23:39 I don't know. Is this a censored kind of a... No, you can swear. You can swear. So I always wonder, for example, I've been enjoying the Audrey You know, you can swear. You can swear. But like, so I always wonder, like, for example, I've been enjoying the Audrey Hepburn, okay? Right.
Starting point is 00:23:49 But Audrey Hepburn is, you know, a famous person. I always wonder, like, are you infringing on any kind of... Is it free? I don't know how it works. Yeah, well, you're not really infringing until you get in trouble.
Starting point is 00:23:59 So you just wait, dare them to send you a cease and desist. Okay, that's how I work, too. Right. I mean, and it's not like, you know, this isn't a national brand and we're not this monster company. You know, we're still kind of bigger of the small brewers, but we still stay pretty low key and try to stay under the radar
Starting point is 00:24:17 with stuff like that, of course. And you can't tell me a name you vetoed. Most of them are really not appropriate and would really maybe your listeners would think differently of the Witty and the Craft Great Lakes guys. So these names you vetoed, which we won't mention, though, these are like who comes up with the names? Like who does that? Is that a communal effort or is that lackey? Like who's doing that? Is that a communal effort or is that lackey? Like who's doing that? Yeah, a lot of them from lackey, but a lot of them came up from round table
Starting point is 00:24:47 and sort of spontaneous text messages to like six people. Like, oh, I got this idea. And then some guys are just like, oh, you're so damn stupid. That's bad. Off mic, you're going to tell me a name that you vetoed. And then I will promise, pinky swear, never to reveal it. All right. I got one in my head.
Starting point is 00:25:05 So when I was in the back rooms there looking at, like seeing the 1010 people getting their tours, I was thinking to myself, you know, like if they fix this place up a bit back here, they could do like tours could be a regular thing. Like those are really popular, the massive breweries like Guinness or Heineken or whatever. For sure.
Starting point is 00:25:21 Is there any thought to making it like public tour ready, if you will? Someday in the world, maybe. But, you know, over the years, you know, honestly, we struggled pretty hard with that business. And we spent a lot of years really, really freaking broke. So it was always things were done out of complete necessity and near desperation. And finally, three years ago, I put a new roof on the back warehouse where the bottling line and everything is because it was literally raining.
Starting point is 00:25:54 We had like eight buckets catching the raindrops in different places, but just didn't have the $70,000 cash to put a new roof on. So we always have a disclaimer when you come in for a tour. This is not a spit and polish shop. This is a production brewery. You know, there is concrete pitting on the floor. But
Starting point is 00:26:16 let me tell you, you know, inside these tanks is that some of these are the cleanest tanks, you know, in the industry or at par with how it should be, of course. And we take the beer and the beer handling very seriously. And yeah, aesthetically, she could use some love, but I've been investing tons and tons of cash,
Starting point is 00:26:36 and it's been starting, you know, primarily with the equipment. And when I say that, not just for maximizing, you knowizing volume, it's also for ease of operation. And obviously, you don't want stuff going down the drain. So it's been just for sheer non-loss. If you ever do start tours, like regular tours, I want to volunteer to be your tour guide. I can bike up and do this. I think I do a good job. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:27:00 So keep that in mind when that day finally arrives. For sure. Jeff Merrick has been on this show. Right. For those who don't know, he's a popular hockey analyst with Rogers Sportsnet. And he's told me a few tales, like stories, and the main one being that he once worked at Great Lakes Brewery. Before that? Yes.
Starting point is 00:27:22 So I was at school with his sister and took her out on a date to a movie in grade 9. By the way, is this Humberside? This is Humberside. Okay, yeah. My son goes there. Oh, yeah. And if I recall, we went to see the Goonies. Oh, that's great. That was really wise of me. So you dated Merrick's
Starting point is 00:27:40 sister. I did. So you go way back with Jeff Merrick. There's a whole crew of you guys. I know Lackey still plays hockey at George... I was at George Bell Arena last night because my son plays there. Right. And I know sometimes I'll tweet from there on a Tuesday night and then I'll get a tweet back from Mike Lackey. What's
Starting point is 00:27:55 his title, by the way, at GLB? He's in recipe development and name procurement. That's a good title. I just made the name procurement thing up. I know you did. I know you did. But Lackey will tweet me, you know, I'm going to be there at like 7 a.m. tomorrow. So he's still playing there. I know Merrick used to play there too, although he moved to Stouffville, so we don't see him anymore.
Starting point is 00:28:13 But tell me, do you have any good Jeff Merrick stories about, so you dated a sister, which is amazing, and then how he ends up at Great Lakes Beer and how long he kind of sticks around? Yeah, there was a lot of Humbersiders. at Great Lakes Beer and how long he kind of sticks around? Yeah, there was a lot of Humbersiders. Obviously, I went there myself. And, you know, as you're sort of between the age of 19 and 25, you're looking for any and all work.
Starting point is 00:28:37 And if your buddy happens to own a brewery, of course, you're getting a damn phone call or just showing up and saying, hey, I'm here to start. What can I do? You know, like, oh, shit. All right, I'll give you a job. He, I think prior to working at Great Lakes Beer, or maybe it's just after, I'm here to start. What can I do? Like, oh, shit. All right. I'll give you a job. I think prior to working at Great Lakes Bureau, maybe it's just after,
Starting point is 00:28:48 I can't remember, but he worked at Park Lawn Cemetery. He buried, he tells me, as he tells everyone, he buried Harold Ballard. When Ballard died, he threw the final dirt on Ballard. He helped me find Ballard's grave. It's tough to find. I wanted to get pictures of it,
Starting point is 00:29:04 but he gave me pretty good directions. Nice. But is that the most famous graduate of the Great Lakes Brewery is Jeff Merrick? That's a pretty big name. Yeah. He's a national figure. Oh, next to the guy sitting here
Starting point is 00:29:16 in front of your mic, of course. Oh, I thought you were going to tell me about Troy. He was going to be the guy. So when you were approached by, I guess Troy approached you, that's my guess, and suggested that maybe Great Lakes Brewery sponsors this guy's podcast that he does in his basement. Right. Give me the, I need the honest, I'm looking at you, you look like an honest guy. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:29:36 What was your honest reaction? Birch, you think this is a good idea? Like, yeah, this is really great, Pete. All right, fuck, we'll do it. That's a good Troy Burch impression. Very good impersonation. Thank you. So, okay, so now that you're tight, though, with the 1010 guys,
Starting point is 00:29:51 are you going to take the money out of the podcast sponsorship bucket and throw it at the 1010 guys? Is that the move next? Oh, God, no. Should I be threatened by Jim Richards and the gang? Not at all. No, no, we're good. We're good.
Starting point is 00:30:05 We'll keep this Lakeshore basement going. That's fantastic. All right, on that note, so this is the part of the program where I present to the guest a six-pack of Great Lakes beer. There's a six-pack in front of you. There is.
Starting point is 00:30:19 I don't think you should bring it with you. Like, it seems stupid to me. Like, you have all this, like, at your fingertips at the office. Why would you take the beer that I give out to the guests? I don't know. This is Troy's idea. But you have an Audrey Hopper in there.
Starting point is 00:30:31 You got the pumpkin ale. And you got a Summerside. So if anything's left over. Sunnyside. Right. We'll see what's left by the end of this episode. Yeah, Pompous. A couple of Pompouses here.
Starting point is 00:30:42 And, oh, Gordy's here, too. Another Canuck. Gordy Levesque. So that would be your Great Lakes beer. But what you don't have and you should take with you is, because you always need, I know you have a lot of Great Lakes brewery pint glasses, but you don't have a property
Starting point is 00:30:55 in the sixth pint glass. So you'll see a pint glass. I do see that. That is yours. With a raffle ticket. Well, yeah. Go see if you want. Tell me if you want. Brian Gerstein. Brian Gerstein. Brian Gerstein is with PSR Brokerage, and he is propertyinthesix.com. He tells me, in fact, I'm going to play his clip where he'll tell you, but one, one young street, no, one bluer, because one young street is the Toronto Star Building.
Starting point is 00:31:21 Not one young street. One bluer street is like they're building this, like the biggest building in canada that's the one that first went bankrupt or some stuff people lined up paid millions of dollars and then they folded shop and they had to give all the money back no idea no idea there is a story like that somewhere so i know that the harvey's was there when i was a kid there was a harvey's there but it's gone now so they're building this apparently they're building the biggest building in canada like not obviously it's the biggest uh skyscraper single right right skyscraper because you know the sien tower is the biggest building in Canada. Like not, obviously it's the biggest skyscraper. Right.
Starting point is 00:31:46 Right. Skyscraper. Because, you know, the CN Tower is the biggest thing. So the biggest skyscraper in Canada is going up at one bluer and PSR Brokerage has some exclusive rights to it or something. So Brian has taken a lot of calls from people interested in floor plans and pricing and stuff on this massive Yorkville thing they're doing. So I'll let him tell you about it.
Starting point is 00:32:04 But that's the reason to call Brian at 416-873-0292. Here's Brian. Quite handsome too. Propertyinthe6.com Brian Gerstein here. Proud sponsor of Toronto Mike and sales representative with PSR Brokerage.
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Starting point is 00:33:13 Well, his hair. The hair. Maybe that was it. A little bit of hair. It could be a little puffier and a little thinner. Yeah, I don't see it. Brian, I don't see the comparison. So don't worry. Pete needs his glasses, I think.
Starting point is 00:33:23 But that's your pint glass. Everyone listening, if they want to help crowdfund this project, it's patreon.com slash Toronto Mike. And I'm going to tell you a little bit about Paytm. Paytm is an app designed to manage all of your bills in one spot. You don't have to visit each separate website to make a payment. All of your bills are on the Paytm app. And the best part is that Paytm pays you to pay your bills. So you receive 3% cash back on everyday goods
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Starting point is 00:34:34 Fire away, bud. Are you ready to kick out the jams? I am so ready to kick out my jams. As the reality of the times take hold, to kick out my jams. Here it comes. Shampoo. Still I got all the memories So when we look up and now my life is plain to see That it's never gonna be the same Take another step out toward my destiny But the memories still remain Deep in now my brain and now my soul are holy key
Starting point is 00:35:21 Said it's never gonna be the same Throughout life and beyond all eternity Like you said, that's Sean Paul, Never Going To Be The Same. Tell me why you love this track. So this is a super emotional track for me, man. This one, and I think it may have been even top on the list because this song is about friends that you've lost in the past. And even when I hear it, it honestly, it chokes the shit out of me. And I get a little teary-eyed because I've lost, I'm sure like many, a lot of good, good buddies on this life journey. I'm sure like many, a lot of good, good buddies on this life journey.
Starting point is 00:36:08 And when I heard this song, I couldn't believe what I was hearing. And anytime I'm feeling sad or want to remember my good chums, I crank this up and do it. You won't be the first person to cry in this room today. I did it this morning. Did you? That's the beauty of music, eh? Like, if you have a song that reminds you of somebody that's passed on, like, it's almost like the music brings them back for a moment, and then you have that whole, that pang of, like, nostalgia, I guess,
Starting point is 00:36:56 which is like a bitter memory because it's the past, not the present, but you have these memories, and it's a beautiful thing, really. Totally, man. When I saw your list, my first thought was that your jams are all over the place, like you mentioned off the top. Like, we're going to run the gamut here, so we're going to start with some Sean Paul, and we'll see where it takes us. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:37:21 That's good, man. Diversity, man. Variety. Just like the beer Rest in peace. So you know what's really genius about your podcast? When I come here, this is my first time obviously at your place, and you bring your own tracks, it makes you feel right at home. Like you're just jamming to your own tunes. Isn't that the best? Like you're in my dark basement with beer and you're jammed.
Starting point is 00:38:27 Is there anything better? No. I got to say, this is the greatest idea I've ever had was to kick out the jam. No, it's great. I'm patting myself on the back. Yeah, you should. I feel so much more relaxed now. Well, let's hear another one of your jams.
Starting point is 00:38:39 Oh, bring it. Oh, I love this song. And they're your jam, so you can talk over Pitbull here, and I can not. Right. Of course, this is Pitbull. So imagine you're at the Clevelander in Miami
Starting point is 00:39:16 and you got a bucket full of Budweiser and this is playing and there's just people in swimsuits walking around and just having a blast. No. Pitbull is not his real name, is it? Probably not. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:39:37 I don't know. This is where I would tell you his real name, but I really have no idea. Wow. I really don't care. Some cowbell in there. Is that what I hear? Nice. Gotta have more cowbell. Of course. I'm on fire I'm on fire I'm on fire Fireball Pitbull
Starting point is 00:40:19 is the fun pop music that you don't want to drill too deep on like it's really meant to be like a very surfaced like that's right you know beer girls and good music and let's go but you don't want to drill any deeper than that i don't think totally but but let me take you to the story yeah please of course i think it was uh 2014 december was was the first trip away with my wife without the kids, San's kids. And we picked Miami to go to. And we on that trip, we saw the Usher concert. So Usher almost made the top 10 because this sort of came in my head.
Starting point is 00:41:01 But when I put, you know, as i was going through my library and thought hey this would be a good song because it'd be a great story because it was the first trip away and we were literally at the clevelander and the song was almost on repeat but not quite on repeat but it's fair to say pitbull is to miami as drake is to toronto yes totally so i thought it was kind of fitting because it was... No, and how many kids you got? You got... Two kids.
Starting point is 00:41:27 Two kids. And how old were they that you finally escaped? Three years ago, that'd be 13, 14, my son was. Nice. And we never really took more than a night away prior to that.
Starting point is 00:41:43 So that's... Sorry, two boys or is it a... Boy and a that. So that's, sorry, two boys? Boy and a girl. And the girl's younger? Yeah. Yeah, he's going to be 15. He's going to be 16 in a month. My daughter's 14.
Starting point is 00:41:53 So my boy's going to be 16 in January. So it's almost the same age. And so is your daughter 13 by any chance? She is. Okay, I have a daughter who's 13. Oh, yeah. Wow. There you go.
Starting point is 00:42:04 Nice. And I can honestly say, and this is no word of a lie, completely authentic here, that this is the most, in my lifetime, this is the most I've enjoyed a Pitbull track. Right. It's this moment right here. Right on. Hearing your stories and hearing it in this moment.
Starting point is 00:42:20 But I did lie. My daughter is actually now 14. Oh. Sorry. I get confused, 14. Sorry. I get confused too. Yeah. So actually, you know what's really funny is, well, we're at the Clevelander
Starting point is 00:42:39 because I can obviously consume a lot of beer, right? They put one of those football, you know, those monster draft tower things that you put on your table. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because they ran out of, I can't remember why we did it, but it was like,
Starting point is 00:42:54 I think it was 20 bucks for 72 ounces of beer. But it was Budweiser, so it's mostly water. That's correct. And with the help of my wife, who doesn't really drink that much, I obviously consume the whole tube of beer. Now, those are deceiving, though.
Starting point is 00:43:11 They are very skinny, but they are very tall, so you get that effect. Let's hear another Peter Jam. All right. Let it flow. Let yourself go. Slow and low.
Starting point is 00:43:21 That is the tempo. Let it flow. Let yourself go. Slow and low. that is the tempo Slow, let yourself go Slow and low, that is the tempo School all brand new So everybody gets the boogaloo Even not like a cold The beats are clear, the rhymes are bold
Starting point is 00:43:39 See a bando or see a nurse Just listen to the music, first things first Watch the ball, get off the wall See you get. And you ain't seen nothing yet. So let yourself go. Slow and low, that is the tempo. Let yourself go. Slow and low, that is the tempo. The Beastie Boys, Slow and Low.
Starting point is 00:44:22 Oh, yeah. I think I hear more cowbell in there. Is that your thing, cowbell? No I think I hear more cowbell in there. Is that your thing, cowbell? No, it's not a cowbell. No, it is. It's a triangle, man. It's a triangle.
Starting point is 00:44:32 I got to listen closer. Tell me about it. I love the Beastie Boys. Beastie Boys got a big, big spot in my heart, man. Grew up with those guys. Right out of Brooklyn. And this song in particular is one of the first ones where they put some serious bass and I actually own this monster subwoofer in my suburban. And I used to just crank this song
Starting point is 00:44:52 because the bass was just shaking the earth. Here it is. A little louder. I always know when you're coming because it's that little, like in that Jurassic Park, in that scene in Jurassic Park. That's right. The water glasses. I go, Peter's coming.
Starting point is 00:45:14 Yes. And this is from License to Ill, right? License to Ill. That was the big, that broke the, Girls was the track I kept playing on that album. But that was a great album.
Starting point is 00:45:25 And Paul Revere. That's right. And the one before this is the Brass Monkey, of course. And I believe that's the first rap album to ever reach number one on the chart. Oh. I'm pretty sure of that. And I know Paul's Boutique came after, which in hindsight, I actually love. But at the time, everybody was disappointed.
Starting point is 00:45:47 They wanted more of this. That's right. But Paul's Boutique is amazing. Classic. Yeah, absolutely. Is this still your favorite Beastie Boys album? I don't know, man. Like, you think it is?
Starting point is 00:46:11 It's kind of like the beer. You think this is your favorite beer? No, no, no. My favorite Beastie Boys album is Check Your Head. Check Your Head. That's my favorite Beastie Boys album. Right. But this was, of course, it's hard to like,
Starting point is 00:46:22 your first introduction to a band you love. Like it always has a soft spot in your heart. For sure. And this was before they became very political and thoughtful. At the time, they were just three guys having a good time, fighting for their right to party, if you will. But who would have thought they'd turn into such deep, introspective artists? Right.
Starting point is 00:47:01 No one saw that coming. No way. Let's kick out your fourth jam. All right. Yeah, man. I think this will even get Troy dancing. Yeah. That I had to call my name I'm sure you that I will You've lied to me All those times I said that I loved you You've lied to me
Starting point is 00:47:52 Yes I try, yes I try You've lied to me Even though you knew I'd die for you You've lied to me Yes I cry, yes I cry Return of the man It is Return of the Mac. Return of the Mac. Return of the Mac. Mark Morrison.
Starting point is 00:48:31 So this song will make a great dancer out of anybody. And I always, when I think of this song, it's like you just walked into the bar and you got a little glow on and this track comes on, you're just going to hit the dance floor even if you suck at dancing and just rock it out that's true man it reminds me of uh this is how we do it this is how that's the other thing for sure when it comes on it doesn't matter if you can dance or not you're gonna be on that dance floor absolutely and it's just this guy's british right? I don't know. I think so. I think that's like a... I think he's British.
Starting point is 00:49:22 We should do a list of the jams that when they come on, no matter what, you're going to be on the dance floor because you can't help it. Right. You know what I mean? Oh, I could do that. I could come up with those. For me, it's like R. Kelly's Ignition remix.
Starting point is 00:49:36 Right. Forget about it. I would stop recording now. I'd be dancing over there with Troy. Might I suggest the next brand of Great Lakes beer possibly call it The Mac or something?
Starting point is 00:50:05 A return of the Mac? Can I put that in the list? Tell Lackey that Toronto Mike likes that name. Big Mac? Yes. No, because I think McDonald's is too litigious. They've done that one. Woo! So the guy that's not here, Troy, just threw me a little cue about, because I think I only put one track.
Starting point is 00:50:40 There may be one there coming up. But this particular band, somebody was doing a cover in New Brunswick when we won the 2014 Brewery of the Year. Which band? Don't we just heard one coming up? No, something coming up. Oh, you've got to save this story for when I'm playing that tune. But I'm going to forget.
Starting point is 00:50:58 No, you won't because the guy who's not here will tap you on the knee. All right. Let's hear another jam. Keep it going. Keep it going. Listen to me, oh yeah When it comes to sex I'm similar to the thriller in Manila Honey's call me bigger, the condom filler Whether it's stiff tongue or stiff dick
Starting point is 00:51:33 Biggie squeeze it to make shit fit Now check this shit, I got the pack of rough riders In the back of the Pathfinder You know the epilogue by James Todd Smith, I get swift with the lyrical gift Hit you with the dick, make your kidneys shift. Here we go, here we go, but I'm not domino. I got the full flow to make your drawers drop slow.
Starting point is 00:51:52 So recognize the dick size in these carcanine jeans. I wear 13s, know what I mean? I fuck around and hit you with the Hennessy dick. Mess around and go blind, don't get to see shit. The next batter, here to shatter your blatter. It doesn't matter Skinny or fat or light-skinned or black Baby, I drop these
Starting point is 00:52:09 Beneath with my me, screaming, I poppy I love it when they call me Big Poppa I only smoke blunts if they roll proper Look, I gotcha Caught up with the drunk flow Fuck Taekwondo, I told her fo-fo For niggas getting mad cause they bitch chose me A big black motherfucker with G, you see
Starting point is 00:52:27 All I do is separate the game from the truth Big Bang Boots from the Bronx to Bolivia Gettin' physical like Olivia Newt Tricks up my click dick all day with no trivia So give me a, oh, a bankroll and a bag of weed I'm guaranteed to fuck her till her nose bleed Even if your new man's a certified Mac You get that H down in ya They want that old thing back
Starting point is 00:52:48 I got that old thing back I got that old thing back I got that old thing back I got that old thing back They just treat me like some new kid I got that old thing back I got that old thing back They just treat me like some new kid
Starting point is 00:53:04 What you need, where you are You won't believe it, you better stop Want that old thing back Yep Finally some Biggie Smalls In the kick of the jams I've been waiting Notorious B.I.G Ja Rule going Tell me why you love this song
Starting point is 00:53:20 This song is It's got a special place for sure A couple years ago started doing a golf tournament with some amigos and uh we were we basically took over this golf club so we had um one of those bluetooth sound blasters just cranking and we had this uh we had this song not this version though which uh i'm gonna have to correct you on this one Really? It's a different version, yeah Which maybe we'll try to look it up before the end of the show
Starting point is 00:53:48 Tell me the difference It's a little more flowing And a little more You see this like It's not like that It's more like a jingle Okay, okay No, man, yeah
Starting point is 00:54:04 I apologize for the wrong version that it's more like a jingle. Okay, okay. Because, okay. No, man, yeah. I apologize for the wrong version. This is... I think he's got like four plus versions of this. See, maybe I can throw this back at you, that if you know there's four plus versions, you've got to be specific. I think I was, and you just looked it up wrong.
Starting point is 00:54:23 Oh, my goodness. But the words are the same. I only smoke blunts if they're rolled proper. I noticed, how many songs does he say, I love it when you call me Big Papa? How many songs does Notorious B.I.G. do that in? I had a similar issue recently with a song. Crap, I can't remember, but a hip-hop single
Starting point is 00:54:49 that I got the wrong version on. That's the thing. There's so many different versions. See the next track. There's only the one version. It was easy, but this one, you're right. I screwed up. It's all good.
Starting point is 00:55:04 This guy died way too young. I think he was, I want to say 25. That's crazy. Yeah, man. I don't know who killed Biggie, but I can tell you that that Puff Daddy is behind the killing of Tupac.
Starting point is 00:55:20 I'm not a conspiracy guy, but I've seen enough to know there's something there. Retaliation. Retaliation. I think the guy singing on this, if I'm correct, his name is Ralph Treysvant or something like that. I'm sure I'm butchering that. Yeah, yeah. But what happened to Ja Rule?
Starting point is 00:55:50 Can we ask, where did this guy go? This guy was on every track for a while in like the early 2000s or whatever, mid-2000s. And I never hear from Ja Rule anymore. Is he working at Great Lakes Brewery? He might be in the back on the packaging line. I'm glad he got a gig. Let's play another Peter Jam. Alright. A little different.
Starting point is 00:56:22 See? No cowbell. I've been around for a long, long year. Stole many a man's soul and faith. I was around when Jesus Christ had his moment of doubt and pain. Made damn sure the pilot washed his hands and sealed his face. Washed his hands, sealed his face. Pleased to meet you. Hope you guessed my name. But what puzzled you is the nature of my game. What a classic.
Starting point is 00:57:27 This is the Rolling Stones. Sympathy for the Devil. Oh, yeah. Did you look up what year this came out? No, but if you put a gun to my head and guess, it was on my Hot Rocks compilation, which was 1964 to 1971. So my guess is 68 or 67 is my guess. Right. So I was born in 69.
Starting point is 00:57:52 Yeah, 68, I think. But this track, I remember having the album and being in grade school and rocking, like cranking it in my bedroom and doing this guitar solo on my bed by myself with the door closed. Like, so awesome. Fantastic lyrics, too. And it's one of those, like that opening, when that opening line kind of, please allow me to introduce myself.
Starting point is 00:58:18 Like, it's like, oh, man. I know. This is just legendary. Just like the Devilils Pale Ale. Is this the band that you had the story for? Is that a future? No, this is not the cover. No, no.
Starting point is 00:58:32 But it was always in the head. Devils is coming back for Halloween. Right. Is that the 666 one? Yeah, man. Yeah, man. Please admit you Hope you get my name Were you like, you know how people, I mean, you were born in 69, so you missed the 60s.
Starting point is 00:58:53 Right. Like you had to be like, I noticed people seem to go in one of the camps. You're either a Rolling Stones guy or you're a Beatles guy. Right. So were you a Rolling Stones guy? I'm more of a Stones guy. Back then for sure. But as you get older, you start to appreciate things differently.
Starting point is 00:59:09 Right. When I was growing up, I mean, you missed the 60s, so it's not really the equivalent. But for me, it was like there was a Nirvana Pearl Jam thing for a while, like in the early 90s. And I liked both. Okay. So that's how I went. But, you know, like, oh, the cool kids were still Nirvana. And then the other, you know, it was kind of a, you had to pick a side, it felt like, for a while.
Starting point is 00:59:31 Oh, the side when I was a kid was like the rockers or the punkers. Right. And the funkers. Not punk rock. It was like funk. Oh, funk. Like Parliament? Like that kind of stuff? Parliament. Michael Jackson. Funkadelic. Okay. Oh, funk. Like Parliament? Like that kind of stuff?
Starting point is 00:59:46 Parliament, Michael Jackson. Funkadelic. Okay, yeah, yeah. Break dancing tunes. I almost picked one, The Buffalo Girls. You ever hear that one? Yeah, that's the daughter of Don Cherry, right? That's Nina Cherry?
Starting point is 00:59:59 Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah, Nina Cherry is... Well, Don Cherry is a famous... I should point out, it's not the Don Cherry from Hockey Night in Canada. Right. But there's a famous jazz musician named Don Cherry, and he has two kids that became famous. Eagle Eye Cherry, who had a big hit, and Nina Cherry, who had several big hits, including Buffalo's Dance. So Buffalo, that's what Eminem ripped off in one of his tracks.
Starting point is 01:00:22 Oh, yeah. He used that riff as one of his rap songs. Eminem almost made the top ten, by the way. Which one? Oh, Jesus. Which one wouldn't? I like Eminem. I saw him in...
Starting point is 01:00:33 You know, this is an embarrassing story, but I'm going to tell you because I feel like we're buddies. I saw Eminem open for Limp Bizkit in 2000 at the Sky Dome. Wow, that's cool. I wouldn't be embarrassed. No, it's telling people now
Starting point is 01:00:44 that you went to a Limp Bizkit show. Apparently, they make fun of No, it's telling people now that you went to a Limp Bizkit show. Apparently, they make fun of you, but it's the truth. I used to love Limp Bizkit. Yeah, that's right. $3 bill,
Starting point is 01:00:51 y'all. Y'all. The Faith cover. Come on. That would make anyone's jam list. Shit, yeah. And Break Stuff,
Starting point is 01:01:01 which was on the next big smash album. I remember that Break Stuff at Woodstock and they're doing Break Stuff and people are like setting stuff on the next big smash album. I remember that Break Stuff at Woodstock, and they're doing Break Stuff, and people are setting stuff on fire and shit. It reminds me of when I was a young man, like 13 years old, I fell in love with Guns N' Roses
Starting point is 01:01:14 because they seemed like they were a dangerous band. It seemed dangerous at the time. I'm going to see them later this month. They're not scary anymore, but they were dangerous. That Break Stuff and fire, this is dangerous. How that brake stuff and fire. And it's like, this is dangerous. How old are you?
Starting point is 01:01:27 43. So born in 74. Yep. Yeah, music doesn't seem dangerous anymore. That's why I think I gravitated to hip hop because it still seemed a little dangerous over there. But this jam here, Sympathy for the Devil. It's super long, too, though. Yeah, like almost seven minutes, I think.
Starting point is 01:01:47 But great track. We talked over the guitar solo, which was my favorite part. I'm sorry, man. I screwed up twice now. I'm really disappointing you today. That was me. I should have been the one. Hold, stop.
Starting point is 01:02:00 Stop everything. The guitar solo is coming up. We'll do that. I should point out, these are your jams. So if you want me to shut up and hear a part, please, I'll jack it up and everything. It's all good. Was it during this song I cracked open my second Canuck Pale Ale?
Starting point is 01:02:18 I think so. Yeah, we started the song with a... Your next jam, by the way, which I'm about to play, is one of my oldest son's favorite jams. He won't come on this podcast. Right. Because he's too cool for that.
Starting point is 01:02:34 But if he ever came to kick out the jams, I think this might be one. But let's hear your seventh. Wait, don't hit start. Okay. Before you hit start, because maybe in like, I don't know how often that you do,
Starting point is 01:02:45 maybe I should bring my son in six months and get him on the podcast. Maybe. Yeah, for sure. How can I say no to you? Are you going to bring me a Karma Citrus shirt? Of course. Medium, please. He'll bring it.
Starting point is 01:02:57 You know, he's Peter III, right? I didn't know that. No. Do you find that there's a sliver, no offense, okay, but is there a sliver of arrogance there? Like, I would be, if I named my son Mike, like, come on, I'm naming my kid after myself? Like, you're not giving him his own identity? Did you have any thoughts, like, maybe he needs his own identity?
Starting point is 01:03:15 Have I offended you? Not at all. No, because my dad was Peter. Right. But you didn't have a choice in that. Like, that was, he put that on you, and then you put it on your son. I did, but what a brilliant combo.
Starting point is 01:03:26 Because when my dad was around, you know, there was Pete, there was repeat, and then there was three Pete. So he can't, there's no four Pete, right? Like you can't, like he's got to stop the jam. Well, that's up to him. He could stop it.
Starting point is 01:03:39 He could stop that jam right there. We'll see if he produces an error for the Great Lakes Brewery fortune here. I know, right? Let's hear your next jam. Bring it. Oh, yeah. What a band.
Starting point is 01:03:55 Yeah, this right here goes out to all the babies, mamas, mamas. Mamas, mamas. Makes my hair go up. Honestly, what a song, this is stanconia yeah from stanconia I'm sorry, mama, and everything. See, I ain't the only one who lay down. If you want to rip me up and start a custody war, my lawyer, stay down. She never got a chance to hear my side of the story.
Starting point is 01:04:52 We was divided. She had fish fries and cookouts for my child's birthday. I ain't invited, despite it. I show her the utmost respect when I fall through. All you, you will defend that lady when I call you. I'm sorry, Miss Jackson. I am for real. Never meant to make your daughter cry.
Starting point is 01:05:09 I apologize, a drunken toss. I'm sorry, Miss Jackson. Outcast, Miss Jackson. This is another one of those tracks that, you know, you walk in and you own that dance floor. Absolutely. Good call. I believe it's about Andre 3000's The Child with Erykah Badu, right? And Miss Jackson is Erykah Badu's mom, I suppose.
Starting point is 01:05:38 I was going to say, I've listened to the song probably a million times, and I don't think I can sing along, but it's just so awesome. Have you considered, you know, you have that great patio at Great Lakes Brewery. Have you considered like a dance party? Like throw a dance party with you being the DJ. Right. Honestly, have you considered this? That would be a great idea. It would take me weeks to come up with that playlist before.
Starting point is 01:06:05 I couldn't do it on a whim. But this would be there. Oh, shit. This is a great track. But the other track that was on this album. Wait, wait, wait. Go ahead. Wait.
Starting point is 01:06:18 I'm still on the patio with me being the DJ. We could totally jam that out. We also need to do a Toronto Mike night at the Great Lakes Brewery at that patio. We could do that too, baby. I would do it tomorrow if I didn't have this
Starting point is 01:06:37 fear that nobody shows up. That fear is always with you. Not just you, like anytime we have any event. always with you. Not just you. Anytime we have any event. I hear you. Man, these guys were great. Andre 3000 and Big Boy. But the other track on this album I was going to mention is Bombs Over Baghdad.
Starting point is 01:07:11 Right. Stick that in the mix. I'm done. Are you kidding me? This is so heavy, too, and it's so good. You know, a lot of hip-hop tracks are, like, disposable. So how many tracks are, like, 10 years later do you want to hear? This is one of those.
Starting point is 01:07:36 Like, you still want to hear this. You still want to hear Bombs Over Baghdad. Like, it's timeless. This is still top charts, man, as far as I'm concerned. Woo. And now we're going to fucking change the pace here, okay? That's for your dance party that you're going to throw at
Starting point is 01:07:51 Great Lakes Brewing. This song may not be included, even though I don't know what you're going to play, but I have an idea. I kept your order, so whatever order you sent me. Oh, really? Because you numbered them, didn't you? I did, but that was, and top of the email was, these are in no order. But why do you number them if there are no order? Like, you numbered them.
Starting point is 01:08:07 Well, just in case you mixed up the freaking, I didn't know how smart you were. I'm pretty smart. Didn't Troy tell you? No. Let's hear your eighth jam. All right. We'll see you next time. All right. guitar solo Standing the scene in the city tonight We're looking for you to start up a fight There's an evil feeling in our brains
Starting point is 01:09:37 But it's nothing new, you know it drives us insane Running on our way, hiding You will be dying for a thousand deaths Running on our way, hide it You will be dying for thousand deaths Run it, on our way, hide it You will be dying for thousand deaths Search it, seek and destroy Search it, seek and destroy Metallica. Isn't that awesome? And this is the old school Metallica, like early 80 destroy Metallica Isn't that awesome?
Starting point is 01:10:25 And this is old school Metallica Like early 80s Metallica Big time man So imagine like I had these buddies That were just like crazy Crazy downhill skiing guys Right?
Starting point is 01:10:42 They were trained professionals Crazy Canucks They were They were trained professionals. Crazy Canucks. They were after the Crazy Canucks, but they were Crazy Canucks. And used to go down their basement and work out, and they would just crank, crank Metallica, Guns N' Roses,
Starting point is 01:10:58 all that kind of stuff. And the second part to the Metallica story is going in the early 90s, And the second part to the Metallica story is going in the early 90s, going and seeing Guns N' Roses, Metallica, and Faith No More. Holy shit, that's a trifecta. Trifecta. Mike Patton and Faith, oh man, dare I say that's an epic lineup. That was crazy.
Starting point is 01:11:27 So is that on the heels of Injustice For All? Injustice For All, exactly. Wow, that was a big album too. Well, here we go. So this song nearly goes forever. Yeah, I was going to say, you're going to need a longer story. But I know my buddy Elvis kicked out the jams and he had one on his. One is uh you know 10 minute song or whatever but it's just epic and great but it's long i know
Starting point is 01:11:47 so i'm thinking we have we have the dance party right then we also we have the uh thrash party right where you just i don't know if the uh target audience has enough hair to you have to bob your head and throw your hair around but like now the guys your age have no hair no they most of them like unlike me have beards right all these freaking beer guys because they're overcompensating that's right if i can't grow it what's what's up with that like there's a correlation between like beard growth and hair growth like where if you can't grow it in your head you grow a great beard beard. I can't grow a good beard, but I got a great head of hair. Right.
Starting point is 01:12:29 It sucks. It's probably because you can't grow a beard. It's like a chicken and egg thing. What came first? And I also think the guys who are bald probably have back hair and stuff. Troy, do you got back hair? Oh, yeah. Troy's not here. He heard about my no PR policies I feel like I'm
Starting point is 01:12:56 Yeah, back of like a jean jacket With the Metallica crest on it or whatever Black boots on Yes Maybe my jeans are acid wash. Maybe. Shit, yeah. Stone wash or whatever. And I got the devil horns going and I'm just
Starting point is 01:13:11 banging my head. Yeah. I remember buying those stone wash jeans and you put your hands in the pockets and there was like gravel and shit in them. What happened to acid wash? That was huge for like a few years in like the mid or late 80s.
Starting point is 01:13:26 And then it just disappeared. Like you could never wear acid wash again. Gone. I knew a girl, like she wore acid wash every day. The 80s were fun, man. Yeah, totally. That pre-internet era, man. You'll never get that again.
Starting point is 01:13:41 You need it. That was the time where like you wanted to hook up with your buddy to go do something you had to like phone the house and ask the dad hey can i can i speak to chris please that's right dial on the rotary phone like our kids will never relate to that no or if you got worse is you had a crush on a girl and you wanted to call the girl i had such like anxiety that the dad's gonna pick up. You know what I mean? That was... Right. That's gone. They just text him. The big thing in calling, when you got a busy signal, but you really wanted to talk to somebody, and you would just keep...
Starting point is 01:14:14 You would sit in there for 15 minutes and put those circle phone thingies. Oh, my God. That's right. The great technological breakthrough is when you went from the rotary phone to the push button because you had a redial option on those. I can't remember. It was a star. There was some way to do a redial.
Starting point is 01:14:31 You didn't have to type in the... And you didn't have to do an area code back then, so it was just the seven characters. That's right. But if your buddy's phone number had nines in it, it was a huge deal to call your buddy, right? Nines and zeros. Like, no bueno. Right.
Starting point is 01:14:44 You just wanted a buddy with one, two, two, one,ines and zeros. Like, no bueno. Right. You just wanted a buddy with like one, two, two, one, like something like that. Oh my God, that's my... One, two, two, one. Swear to God. Is that right? Is this the album
Starting point is 01:14:58 that had the poor guy who died in the accident, the car accident? I think it is. This is the album that has... I can't remember his name, but he... In the tour bus, the car accident. I think it is. This is the album that has... I can't remember his name, but he in the tour bus
Starting point is 01:15:08 had a car accident. On this album is also another track called Am I Evil? It was a close second because it's got this amazing intro, but I didn't know about the show and that you played the whole track. Oh, see. You've never heard
Starting point is 01:15:24 it kick up the chain. Because this one is 7 minutes and 52 seconds long, Am I Evil, on the same album. I'm weird about this. I insist on playing the whole track. If you bring Indiegogo to Vida, just get comfy because we're doing it all. I love it. Here we are now on the 9th
Starting point is 01:15:41 Peter Jam. we are now on the ninth nice peter jam and it's only three and a half minutes yeah oh no see you walking around like it's a funeral not so serious girl why those feet cold we getting started, don't you tiptoe, tiptoe. Waste time with the masterpiece, waste time with the masterpiece. You should be rolling me, you should be rolling me. You're a real life fantasy, you're a real life fantasy. But you're moving so carefully, let's start living dangerously. Talk to me, baby I'm more in love than this
Starting point is 01:16:29 Sweet, sweet baby, whoa Let's lose our minds and go fucking crazy I'm in love with you Keep on hoping Cake by the ocean Walk for me, baby I'll be pretty You'll be my only love Let's lose our minds and go Cake by the Ocean. Do I call this band once?
Starting point is 01:17:03 Because they spell it. I know. D-N-C-E. I want to call them Dunce, but it's probably once. That's how cool I am. I have no idea how you say this band's name. Dance? I'm going dance. Freaking dance, baby. Is it dance? I think so, but I don't know either. But I love the song.
Starting point is 01:17:21 I heard you sing along. Tell me how you fell in love with cake by the ocean so you know what it means first of all uh it means you eat cake by the ocean uh close you must know come on should i know this yeah is this a euphemism expression it is yeah i mean i didn't know either till like okay i don't feel so kids told me. Cake by the ocean. Cake by the ocean is when you're getting laid by the ocean. Oh. Dude, so. I should have known that.
Starting point is 01:17:52 Yeah, you're getting some booty. Seaside, right? And look how happy they're singing about it. You're getting cake by the ocean. Like, yeah, that's one of those things that like sounds like a good idea but they can practice it's not always ideal you got lots of sand in there it's okay what rhymes with sand uh hand stand you don't have to lay down okay so good story about this song.
Starting point is 01:18:25 Yeah. November 2016. I don't know how long this song had already been out, but Dominican Republic, 32 family members. It's hard to talk with a song playing, because it's like, you song playing You want to dance This will be on the patio dance track For sure So I went to the Dominican Republic With 32 of my family members
Starting point is 01:18:59 On my wife's side And we took over this resort And of course there's one night Where you go extra long and hard on my wife's side. And we took over this resort. And of course, there's one night where you go extra long and hard. And all of us ended up going out and hanging out. And the resort was so big that they had a train to take you from the beach to the main lobby. So we end up on the train. And I had one of those little boombox Bluetooth speaker thingies
Starting point is 01:19:28 and I said, all right, let's crank this song and we started going and we got to the end and we're like, let's go back. So we kept doing this around and around and we just kept the song on repeat. Cake by the ocean.
Starting point is 01:19:41 Cake by the ocean. I hope there was no cake by the ocean though with this family reunion of sorts. Well, not. Nobody else saw shit, so. What happens in the Dominican Republic stays in the Dominican Republic. It always does.
Starting point is 01:19:55 Peter, are you ready for your tenth and final jam? Number ten! Thank you. Turn your magic on With me she'd say Everything you want to dream away We are legends Every day That's what she told me Turn the magic on
Starting point is 01:20:54 To me she'd say Everything you want to dream away Under this pressure Under this weight We are diamonds I feel my heart beating I feel my heart underneath my skin I feel my heart beating
Starting point is 01:21:19 You make me feel Like I'm alive again Coldplay Adventure of a Lifetime. Oh, dude. I got a story. Let me hear this story, man. So in January 2017, decided I'm going to buy some tickets to Coldplay. They're jamming in Cleveland,
Starting point is 01:22:03 home of Great Lakes Brewing Company. Right. So about four tickets. Of course for my wife, me, my nephew, and his wife.
Starting point is 01:22:24 Major road trip So we get out We end up meeting at the brewery My nephew's wife can't make it Because she's pregnant and doesn't want to see us partying So another Mike comes Whose name became after their Dr. Mike So we drive five hours to Cleveland,
Starting point is 01:22:46 get near a strip search at the border. They for sure think we got drugs, and they're checking us up, down, and in. It was nasty. We get there, Quality Sweets Hotel. Start putting some beers down. Head to Morton's for steak. Run across the street to the Coldplay concert.
Starting point is 01:23:08 Get a wristband and don't know what's going on. So if you've been to the Coldplay concert, you'll know. If not, you better go. So they give you this wristband with a big square thing on the top. And you don't know until you get into the show, but it's an LED light that they control the color of. And you put your hand up, and they control the sea of color in complete darkness.
Starting point is 01:23:29 That's cool. It is the coolest thing ever. Add a bunch of beers and darkness with color and this kind of music going. Let me shut up and let it go. What? Woo-hoo, woo-hoo, woo-hoo, woo-hoo, woo-hoo, woo-hoo, woo-hoo, woo-hoo, woo-hoo, woo-hoo, woo-hoo, woo-hoo, woo-hoo, woo-hoo, woo-hoo, woo-hoo, woo-hoo, woo-hoo, woo-hoo, woo-hoo, woo-hoo, woo-hoo, woo-hoo, woo-hoo, woo-hoo, woo-hoo, woo-hoo, woo-hoo, woo-hoo, woo-hoo, woo-hoo, woo-hoo, woo-hoo, woo-hoo, woo-hoo, woo-hoo, woo-hoo, woo-hoo, woo-hoo, woo-hoo, woo-hoo, woo-hoo, woo-hoo, woo-hoo, woo-hoo, woo-hoo, woo-hoo, woo-hoo, woo-hoo, woo-hoo, woo-hoo, woo-hoo, woo-hoo, woo-hoo, woo-hoo, woo-hoo, woo-hoo, woo-hoo, woo-hoo, woo-hoo, woo-hoo, woo-hoo, woo-hoo, woo-hoo, woo-hoo, woo-hoo, woo-hoo, woo-hoo, woo-hoo, woo-hoo, woo-hoo, woo-hoo, woo-hoo, woo-hoo, woo-hoo, woo-hoo, woo-hoo, woo-hoo, woo-hoo, woo-hoo, woo-hoo, woo-hoo, woo-hoo, woo-hoo, woo-hoo, woo-hoo, woo-hoo, woo-hoo, woo-hoo, woo-hoo, woo-hoo, woo-hoo, woo-hoo, woo-hoo, woo-hoo, woo-hoo, woo-hoo, woo-hoo, woo-hoo, woo-hoo, woo-hoo, woo-hoo, woo-hoo, woo-hoo, woo-hoo, woo-hoo, woo-hoo, woo-hoo, woo-hoo, woo-hoo, woo-hoo! 20,000 people going woo-hoo. Wow. It was awesome. You're the second jam kicker in a row to bring a Coldplay song. Damien Cox brought Vida La Viva. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 01:24:34 Viva La Viva. That's another good one. Yeah. And he told a- What a genius, Damien. Damien. I've never heard him call that before. Well, if he brings a Coldplay song.
Starting point is 01:24:46 Absolutely. Hey, Peter, did you have a good time kicking out the jams with me today? I had a riot, man This was a great idea, Troy Birch Wherever you are We're giving all credit to Troy Oh Troy, I'm tripling the sponsorship fee You're cool with that? Well, Peter's here, we'll get him to sign on the dotted line
Starting point is 01:25:04 I would take a couple more beers. A couple more, that's all? That's it. And that brings us to the end of our 272nd show. You can follow me on Twitter. I'm at Toronto Mike. Peter, are you actually on Twitter yourself or no? I'm not about that life.
Starting point is 01:25:23 You're a private man. Nearly private. Just dance parties on the patio. That's right. Take by the ocean. $5 pints at GLB. So Great Lakes Brewery is at Great Lakes Beer. And propertyinthesix.com is at Brian Gerstein.
Starting point is 01:25:41 And PayTM is at PayTM Canada. See you all next week. Well, I want to take a streetcar downtown Read Andrew Miller and wander around And drink some Guinness from a tin Cause my UI check has just come in Music

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