Toronto Mike'd: The Official Toronto Mike Podcast - Peter Gross Goes to Court: Toronto Mike'd Podcast Episode 1486

Episode Date: May 9, 2024

In this 1486th episode of Toronto Mike'd, Mike chats with Peter Gross about his court appearance and updates the listenership on his battle against Intact Financial Corporation. Toronto Mike'd is proudly brought to you by Great Lakes Brewery, Palma Pasta, Ridley Funeral Home, The Advantaged Investor podcast from Raymond James Canada, The Yes, We Are Open podcast from Moneris, The Toronto Maple Leafs Baseball Team and RecycleMyElectronics.ca. If you would like to support the show, we do have partner opportunities available. Please email Toronto Mike at [e-mail]

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since 1921. Today, fresh from court is Peter Gross. Welcome back, Peter. Thanks, Mike. You sound kind of glum there. How are you feeling right now? Okay. Let's set the table by telling people this is essentially a sequel episode in that you dropped by. When was that? Do you remember when you dropped by? I have it here somewhere. This was on two months ago, March 14th, 2024. So on March 14th, 2024.

So on March 14th, 2024, you dropped by. I titled the episode, Peter Gross is in a pickle. And here's a description I wrote. In this 1,450th episode of Toronto Miked, Mike and Peter Gross discussed why the FOTM Hall of Famer might be up Schitt's Creek without a paddle. This episode was, we talked for 46 minutes. How can you do with the elevator pitch? Okay. We're on an elevator and you need to explain what you told me in that episode,

but just to set the table, what happened to you with regards to your insurance and delivering food? Okay. So I, I'd been, uh, I've been, uh, delivering for Uber and not bad. $600, $800 a week. It's helping with my bloated mortgage. But more than Uber, right? Didn't you do DoorDash? I started with DoorDash. I had an accident. RBC was my insurer at the time when I told them

that I was driving for DoorDash because as you know, I sometimes talk a little too much. You disclose information that's not asked of you. You're a lawyer's worst nightmare. Which is kind of ironic because I'm being punished for not disclosing information. Anyways, RBC said, well, too bad. We don't cover you for DoorDash. We're not going to pay for your accident.

So I had to get coverage so that I could continue working. And none of the insurance companies want to insure for DoorDash. I can't really explain that. but you can get coverage for Uber. And I secured coverage for Uber with intact insurance through BrokerLink. And to this moment, I'm confused about who is BrokerLink and who is. So this is going to come back into play because we're going to talk about what just happened. So tell the listenership. So we're speaking now at 3 11 PM on May, what is it? May 8th, May 8th.

I thought it was the 9th. You're right. It's the 9th. Okay. Peter, come on. This is why you need the lawyer up. Okay. Bottom line is we're talking at 3 11 and at 2 30 PM, which was only 42 minutes ago, you, Oh yeah, it was 2 30. You had a scheduled court appearance, right? Was that Brampton court? I don't know where it was. It would be, you know, because it was on zoom. It was a settlement hearing, but that was, you know, Brampton court isn't necessarily a physical location. Like that was, do you, where did you file? Yeah, I filed it in Brampton. Okay. You filed it in Brampton. So you had an appearance in court before a judge and that was done via zoom and you did it here in the TMDS basement studio for which i'm very grateful yeah so we set it up we had you look good by the way you look sharp

people will see the photo we'll take the photo uh we've actually already taken it uh full disclosure here we are in court again but we took it in front of the full bloomed toronto tree so for one week a year, the Toronto tree is beautiful, like the full bloom. And we got our picture. So everybody will see how sharp you're looking. But you made a court appearance today. You did it in the basement. We set it up. So I put a good camera on you. I gave put the good mic on you. And then I connected via zoom. And then periodically we'll talk about what happened. And I pulled a couple of clips. We heard one off the top. The judge was speaking in the cold open there,

but periodically I would mute your microphone and yell advice at you. Like I was, I was Lauren Honickman, right? I mean, we need to establish that I've sued the insurance company for, for use not really specific though, cause we're learning there's a big difference here. So you sued intact insurance for not renewing your policy. And what I think is more significant is they put on your permanent record, something called misrepresent. And every time you go to an

insurance company or broker, whatever, they see the word misrepresent on your file. And they're like, Whoa, buddy, we can't help you. That is my experience. Yeah. So you're basically, so I'm going to play that cold open again. This is the judge moments ago. I'm playing it again, Peter, you music to your ears. I mean the guy's been blast listed for life. So that's the judge and I'll play a longer clip in a moment that was recorded from this court appearance. But essentially this misrepresent label on your permanent record is going to follow you until you show up at the doorsteps of Ridley Funeral Home.

Well, I hope that's what I'm trying to end. I want that taken off. Okay. You're not trying to end your life. You're trying to end that misrepresent. Well, I'll never be at Ridley Funeral Home because as you know, I'm never going to die. But we've that that's from previous episodes. We've discussed that. What are the Bodog odds on Peter Gross ever dying? Because I'd like to place a couple of bets on that. Okay. So let's just set the table here and we talk about exactly what happened in court today. There was a woman we won't name anybody. Okay. Because I don't know if we're allowed to record and share this stuff. So there's a lawyer representing intact insurance. There is you, Mr. Peter grows, there is a judge and a gentleman who

was from intact and we won't name him either. But the four of you were on zoom for a good, you know, 40 minutes or something, a half an hour. We were literally started this episode right away. So some surmise for us, cause I know what, what I think transpired because it's all become very clear to me, but what happened and then cue up this clip. Well, well, essentially the, the attractive lady from intact. I don't know what, listen, that doesn't help you. Okay. Yes.

Okay. She's the nice lady. She's aesthetically pleasing. Okay. But would it matter if she looked like a dog's breakfast? No, no, no. I retract that. She's not your friend. She works for the, uh, the enemy here. She basically submitted the argument that I was suing the wrong party. When I applied for insurance, I applied with broker link. My understanding is that broker link connects with intact. Now intact,

closed my file intact, put this definition of misrepresent on me. I tried to argue that I should be suing intact because the damage to me has been created by intact, but both the, the lawyer for intact and the judge indicated to me that really I should be suing BrokerLink. So that's my next move. Okay, so this is the important distinction here. And I'm gonna play the clip that you wanted to play in court.

I had it queued up to play and the judge wouldn't let you play this clip. But now that I know this clip is not intact insurance. It was BrokerLink, yes. And BrokerLink is a brokerage. So you go to BrokerLink, you're looking for insurance, and they deal with many different insurance providers and try to find one for you. And it turns out BrokerLink lied to Intact.

Okay, so BrokerLink is the true party that you should have sued, not Intact. Let's say arguably they lied or ostensibly. This will all become clear. Apparently theyibly. This'll all become clear. Apparently they lie. It'll all become clear. I'm going to play a clip. Don't play it. Don't play it.

Don't play it. Wait, but I'm just going to play the one of you talking to broker link, uh, back in the day. Can we, can we set this up first? I think we should set this up. You're Peter Gross. You can do anything you want. The reason that my insurance policy was ended and the reason that I've been defined as misrepresent is that I did not reveal during this conversation my initial

conversation to get insurance that I'd had an accident on February the 27th and my argument is they never asked me properly and they say oh we did ask you properly and so this is the only segment of the whole conversation in which the, uh, uh, broker link agent made any reference whatsoever to a previous accident. Now you can play it. Do you have any, um, unfortunate circumstances where you were not at fault?

Someone crashed into you. Yeah. Like in the seventies and that rearended me, I had a beat up old man. Okay, so we discussed this the last time you were over, but he distinctly says, any incidents where you were not at fault and somebody crashed into you. So my question is, you're not, you're the most honest man I know. So you're not hiding anything from us. Like, was there a previous question where he says, no. Okay, so this was the only question you were asked of that nature and you answered it honestly,

which is that no, you went back to the seventies, something happened in the fricking seventies. Okay. But there were, you know, where you were not at fault, there was no incidents, but I'm curious now, like, was there ever in a moment in your mind where you're like, why would he ask me only about accidents? I wasn't at fault for like, why wouldn't he also ask about any accidents I was at fault for? Or you just weren't thinking about it's funny if you listen to the whole interview where there's a certain level of levity between the two of us.

It's almost as if we're trying to go in for coffee afterwards. You're going to. Yeah. And I can't explain that. And, and whoever wants to challenge me on this will say, well, even if he didn't ask you about your previous accidents, you really should have volunteered to put the next thing. I know. He's offering me a price on insurance. Yeah. And this has been a difficult period for me and I'm not comfortable

speaking with insurance agents. I don't know what they're going to ask me. So at the point where he says, here's the premium, here's what we're going to charge. You're like sold. Yeah. Yeah. So, okay. But it's interesting that you don't disclose this info because historically in our relationship, I've told you many times you disclose too much information without being asked, right? Like, so this is the only time in your life, you didn't disclose something and it's come back to bite you in the ass.

So you answered that question honestly, but all the time I was under the impression that that person you were speaking to was with intact insurance. But it turns out we have learned, and maybe you already knew, but that was not intact insurance there. That was the brokerage called brokers link broker link broker link.

So that gentleman and we could disclose his name. His name is Sean. So that gentleman Sean that we just heard in that recording He works for broker link not intact insurance and and broker link Connects you with the insurance company that will insure you. So BrokerLink, you never talked to Intact. You just talked to BrokerLink and BrokerLink then sets you up and you get, let's say a year policy or whatever with Intact, but you never actually need to speak to Intact in this process. Yeah. OK. But Intact, it turns out I learned today, Intact doesn't cancel it.

Intact lets the one year lapse and then they don't renew. So Intact decides we're not lapse and then they re they don't renew. So Intact decides we're not renewing this policy because we just learned about this accident that Peter Gross was at fault for, but he didn't disclose it to us. But the reason you didn't disclose it to BrokerLink is because you were never asked about any accident that you were at fault for. You were only asked about accidents you were not at fault for. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So I'm with you. I'm just setting the table. That's that is, that is my

argument. I think agent Sean, I'm sure he's a fine. I think he just wants to close the deal. He probably gets paid by an inadequate conversation. Okay. So didn't follow the script. Do you want to set up the clip again? That was about a half an hour, 40 minutes of court time, but I have a couple of minutes here. I could play. Do you want me to play this? Yeah. There was a moment where the judge who was adjudicating the settlement, although he essentially said he essentially agreed with the intact lawyer that I'm barking up the wrong tree. But this was, I thought this was a remarkable sequence of conversation with the judge.

Okay let's listen to a few minutes from this afternoon's court case, Peter Gross versus intact insurance. Here we go. Let's think about what we can do for Mr. Gross. Mr. Gross, like you've been blackballed. You don't have, well, first of all, you have a, you have a vehicle that you use for personal use and for use as a Uber driver. Well, I did. I cannot drive. I cannot perform that task.

No, no, but do you still have a vehicle you can drive for personal use? And who've you got that with? The insurance is called Ken Gibb and it's called facility. I'm on facility. Oh yeah. You're on the facility thing. Oh yeah. That's costing you a lot of money. You got that. Yeah. Yeah. No, I've, I have some knowledge of that. Hmm. some knowledge of that. Well, that's a problem, isn't it? And facility won't help you with Uber. Excuse me?

Facility won't help you with Uber. No, Uber keeps asking me for insurance. Facility won't ensure me to drive for Uber. So for seven weeks now, I've been unable to work. Is that your only source of income? No. That's good. Well, okay.

I don't think we're gonna get too far. Okay, so the $10,000 represents the premium that you've ended up having to pay the facility insurer in order to drive? Yeah, my initial premium with intact was $176 a month. Now I'm paying $668 a month, and they required two months in advance. So I'm already out over $2100.

And as I've indicated, I sent screen grabs of deposits in my account to a woman named Brenda Paulus to show that I was averaging between 600 and $800 a week driving for Uber, so it's been seven weeks, you can do the math, what we're up to there. Well, how do you get rid of that black mark on your insurance? I would love that solution, your honor.

Your honor, my understanding is that based on my discussions with the client and the information, it's a third party information. I don't have any evidence actually to support it today. But my understanding is Mr. Gross had initial conversations with Brokeries Link during which he was asked to provide information of his previous driving history. He was asked about his at-fault accidents and any other unfortunate circumstances that should be reported during the time when he asked to obtain insurance coverage. And Mr. Gross did not disclose information that he was in a fault accident shortly before

he applied for the insurance. Later my client in tact found out that at that time when he applied for policy, he misrepresented that he was in the accident. And based on that, they non-renewed his policy. That's why he has this notation of misrepresentation. So I'm not sure if all of the evidence that will be produced further support that, that it would be possible to remove that from Mr. Gross's record. That's crazy. That's ridiculous. I mean, the guy's been blacklisted

for life. There's got to be a way to fix that, no? Okay, so I want to echo what the judge just said here, which I think the long term, because you are only in your early 70s and your mother is still thriving at 100 years young. There's no reason to believe you won't be needing to drive, maybe even delivering for Uber for another 30 years, okay? And you have this misrepresentation on your file that it seems like it can't be erased, it's in permanent ink. That's where they've truly fucked you, Peter Gross.

Yeah, yeah, if you're on facility, you're basically considered on the scale of humanity below mass murderers, chronic drunksunks and child molesters. Okay, well, on that note, so this, and the judge seems just as befuddled again. This was the clip off the top, the cold open. I mean, the guy's been blacklisted for life. You've been blacklisted for life

and you didn't even lie in your conversation with, by the way, I think it's called Broker's Link. I think there's a- Broker's Link. Yeah, not Broker's Link, okay. So with Broker's Link, so Bro it's called brokers link. I think there's a broker link. Yeah, not broker link. Okay. So with brokers link, so brokers link provides the information to intact intact, then, you know, executes intact becomes aware that you had an at fault and then says, we're not going to renew this. So this lawsuit against intact is going to go nowhere fast because you're suing the wrong company. Broker's Link didn't ask you the right questions,

then lied about the conversation when they communicated with Intact. And this is why you have misrepresentation on your permanent file. Robert Leonard Exactly. Robert Leonard So tell us what you're thinking now. It was interesting that the judge was not allowed to give any legal advice to you because you're representing yourself, right? Did you consider hiring a lawyer or a paralegal to help you with this? I did and I've had conversations with Lorne Honickman. He's been very helpful and I may have to call

him up and and and the judge very specifically said I should at least get a paralegal. He did give me that advice. He winked at you of a little, uh, top secret advice there, but again, that's the advice he was giving you. But he was also suggesting that maybe, or it was suggested that maybe you drop this suit against intact and you start a new one against a broker's link. By the way, look here, it's broker Lake. See that? I'm sure. Well, she said brokers. She said brokers. Peter's got receipts. I like, I like dealing, you know what? But as I told you

after your last episode, you, you can be right. I think you're right and correct. You're correct in this one, but you're still going to be wrong. Like you're going to get fucked here. No, I pardon my French. No, I, I understand. But, um, what's the expression? The, the only battles worth fighting are the ones that can't be won. Who, who is that a John Gallagher expression? That's ridiculous. I love that. The only battles worth fighting are the ones that can't be won. Who, who's that a John Gallagher expression? That's ridiculous. I love that. The only battles worth fighting are the ones that can't be won. I like to fight the odd battle. I can win. Listen, Mike, I have, I have no choice here because if, if I don't go forward with the suit,

then I'm going to be paying $680 a month for the rest of my life for insurance. You're paying $680. That's, uh, that used to be rent, right? That used to be a mortgage payments. You're paying $680 a month to, and this doesn't let you deliver food for money, which by the way, you told us, yeah, you're making six. Okay. Peter, that's what facility is. Is this for like a DGEN's like yourself? Yeah. Okay. We're scum of the world. Okay. And this is all because of this, uh, because intact says you misrepresented your driving history, your accident history when you got that insurance from them.

Even though we have the receipts, we have the audio that proves you did not, you cannot, you are incapable of telling a lie. Do I need to go on the stand, swear in Toronto Mike to say I've known this man for this many years and he cannot tell a lie? And I mean that sincerely. I have a lot of friends who can lie through their teeth and smile, you're not one of those.

What, at some point in time when I'm in court, I want to say that I was put in the misrepresent category for something I never said, for an answer I never gave to a question I was never asked. So, please, tell us all what your next steps are here. Are you going to do exactly what I suspect you're going to do? You're going to drop this case against Intact and then you're going to start a new one against BrokerLink? what I suspect you're going to do. You're going to drop this case against intact, and then you're going to start a new one against a broker link.

Yeah. I think I'm going to drive up to the Brampton court tomorrow and, uh, and, and Sue, uh, broker link. Can I just, uh, cause I witnessed this court appearance and that the lawyer for intact did a very, um, subtle threat at the very end where she said, if you basically, if I don't drop them, they're going to pursue court costs. Yeah. So if you do not drop intact from this suit right away, essentially, she said, uh, they will be pursuing court costs, like additional costs for the lawyer and everything from you. So this will take cost you a lot of money considering.

I don't think it's a winnable case for you. I'm just telling you this as a non-lawyer friend of yours. I don't think you can win this right now. And I don't want you to a winnable case for you. I'm just telling you this as a non-lawyer friend of yours, I don't think you can win this right now. And I don't want you to be out of any more money. This is costing you a fortune. Okay. I need you to be wealthy. You're a client, Peter. I need you to have lots of disposable income. So you're going to do this tomorrow. You're going to go to Brampton,

drop this court case against intact and start a new one against BrokerLink. Yeah, that's, that's my plan. Okay. And how much does it cost to file a suit? I think it was 105 to file it against intact. Okay. And let me see if I have any more. I feel like I'm in court right now. If I have any more questions for you, like, like I were hoping from today's court appearance that the judge would be like, get rid of that misrepresent tag immediately. And I liked that conversation. Yeah. I, I didn't really see this company,

although in the back of my head, I knew I had some confusion about broker link and intact and there's all this passing of the buck. Um, one problem I've got with intact. Yep. If I can indulge you, well, is that I did call intact because I already, so I got in terms with intact for my car to drive Uber and then I acquired a second car in September. So I called intact and said, uh,

I need to ensure this car for my son and the agent in this conversation on September the 11th says, we see you've got an at fault. And I say, oh, okay, I got an at fault. And I say, Oh, okay. I got an at fault. So based on that, they created a policy for me and it was much more than my previous policy for my car and as well as the one for my son. So at one point, even though intact says you never revealed to us that you had this accident. In fact,

they created a new document for me after it was revealed that I'd had that accident. You're muddy in the waters here, Mr. Gross. Okay. So this is, there's a lot of shit flying around here, but bottom line is intact can easily. And they have basically said, hey, we never talked to Peter. We didn't have that call with Peter. This is what we were told. So we really do need to go. Now our next step is we're going after Brokers Link. And I hope you're back here for that court appearance against Brokers Link. Wow. Okay. Now, so what we need

maybe from the listenership is if anybody, again, you're kind of screwed of this facility Insurance that allows you to just drive around so you go to Ajax Downs and you can go to woodbine and all these places without having to uber or cab or take the Transit or roller blade or whatever you can you can get around and do stuff So but that's costing you an arm and a leg so we do need insurance help here But you do have misrepresent on your file. But what I think we really need is a paralegal or a lawyer who's willing to be with you on these Zooms

and not charge you. So we're looking for pro bono legal assistance. Well, I don't know. Let's assume I got a small budget for that, okay? Okay, well, again, let's assume you don't. Like I'm doing the math. I don't think you have a very good budget for that. I think we need some help, but so Peter gross living legend, uh, I'm going to, you know, switch gears in a minute. Cause I think we've, we've, uh,

squeezes lemon, but that's the update for everybody. We had the court appearance and, uh, you're going to drop the case against intact and you're going to file a new one against brokers link. So do you think that people are going to come out of the woodwork like they do for Donald Trump? If you defend Donald Trump, you achieve a certain level of fame. So the same thing is going to apply to me because I'm so famous that someone's going

to want to defend me just to say, you know who I defend? Two things, Peter. One is you are Peter fucking gross. Okay. You are kind of a living legend. You're one of a great character. We watched you on city TV. We heard you on 680 You're in the FOTM Hall of Fame people will want to help you. You're a solid citizen

but also Whoever this person is who comes out of the woodwork is a league a paralegal or a lawyer and it helps you for free That person is gonna get so much love on tomorrow. Mike. Okay, we will we will give free get so much love on Toronto Mike, okay? We will give free shout outs to this particular professional. So there's a lot of advantages. So you can write Mike at torontomike.com if you have any way to help Peter Gross. The last episode was called Peter Gross is in a pickle. And I said you were up Schitt's Creek without a paddle. Well, you haven't got any further ahead. It might've got a bit worse. And, uh, we're going to try this lawsuit against, uh, I said we now, cause I'm on team gross here, brokers link broker link, as you said, no,

there's no, yes. And then the pickle is fermenting. The pickle is fermenting. Okay. Now I can help you by feeding you. I know you love palm pasta lasagna. And I know Anthony Petrucci would be honored if you took home with you today, a large meat lasagna. It's in my freezer right now. Well, I would like him to be honored. You know, my son Roger, of course when I come home with that lasagna, his life changes for the better. Oh my God. And then you know what?

We're going to find any reason to get you back on Toronto mic just to help Roger out. So you're bringing home a lasagna for Roger. You don't drink, but I will have a Great Lakes beer on your behalf. Okay. Shout out to Great Lakes and Peter, a couple of dates. I want to ask you about May 12th. That's this coming Sunday. Will I see you at Christie pit? Yeah, you will. And it's going to be under great duress because we are having a mother's day party. You know, there's a luncheon for my mother. She needs the whole day. Come on. You and Mark Hebbscher are going to call an inning. Do you know you and Mark Hebbscher are going to call an inning? Well, that's after I show up, I will call an inning. Now batting number five, Mike Boone,

batting average 123. That's below the Mendoza line. Okay. Well, if I'm batting, we're in big trouble, the Toronto Maple Leafs, but the best baseball outside the dome and we'll see Peter Gross there. Anybody can come out to Christie Pitts and see Peter Gross in the flesh. Maybe you can give him a few bucks and help him out with his insurance. No, I'm not begging for money. Don't go there. Well, you know, you're no Mike Stafford. Okay, so we have you being at the Maple Leafs game and I'm asking now about June 27th. Uh, are you going to be at TMLX 15 at Great Lakes brewery?

Yes. I don't know. Six to 19. What do you mean? You don't know. It wouldn't be a TMLX without you. I like, I like those events. I think you better be there.

It's my 50th birthday, you know? Oh really? Yeah. I'm halfway to your mom's age. Well not quite. She's 101. Well, not quite. She's 101. Well, I'm working on it. Okay. We'll have to find out what day that is when I meet me to the halfway mark. Okay. So we'll see Peter gross at great lakes brewery on the 27th.

Palm pasta will feed you a shout out to the advantaged investor podcast from Raymond James, Canada. And while I'm shouting out podcasts, a shout out to yes, we are open, which is an award-winning podcast from Monaris. Al Grego hosts that. He just went to Calgary and talked to the good people at Heritage Park Historical Village. Dominic Terry, to be specific. And you can learn all about the past 60 years at Heritage Park Historical Village. It's a great story.

Al does a great job bringing it to you. RecycleMyElectronics.ca is where you go, Peter. You know this. If you've got to recycle your cables, your electronics. All right, Peter Gross and Ridley funeral home, by the way, hopes to not see you for another 40 years. Okay. So in 40 years you'll be at their doorstep, but I want to ask you about a recent episode of Toronto mic'd. Okay. By the way, Ridley is the official funeral home of maple, uh, trauma, maple leaves baseball. So you're going to see, uh, Brad Jones there. He's going to size you up for a

coffin. Okay. You're going to see him. Danny Kingsbury was on the show yesterday. Tell me what the name Danny Kingsbury means to you. Danny Kingsbury hired me at CF and why in late fall of 1990. I believe it was 1989. Okay. Okay. Because Reiner Schwartz was there by fall 1990. Yeah. Yeah. You're probably right. I had a left city TV in 1986, wandered in the desert for three years. What did you do for those three years? Um, you're no longer on Coke, right?

You quit Coke. Yeah. Yeah. No. You're clean. I, I, I think I made a couple of desperate attempts to get back to City TV. I did clean my life up a bit. I was completely broke. I did some online writing. I got a few... There wasn't any online though. No, no, no, there was. There was.

I was doing some online. Well, I assure you of this, okay? As a guy who first saw the internet at U of T in 1993, OK, there was no online writing in 1986. I was doing something called uedit.com or something like that. Not in 86. There's no dot com in 86. You have to trust me on this one. I'm a professional. I'm an internet professional. Memory's not my strongest suit.

That was a different, uh, one of the strangest things was I, the CBC called me up one time and asked if I'd produce a fishing show and, and off I go for three days, uh, into the backwoods of Ontario with the, this, this man and his wife to try and produce the fishing show. And we were just never on the same page. I wanted to shoot scenes and they wanted to fish. So after.

Well, they were fishermen. What? What they. Know? Yeah. OK, anyways, they they turned out they scrapped the show and CBC paid me my my rate, whatever it was. That was the, that was right. That's wild.

Being out of my element. Well, that's out of your comfort zone. The fishing show with Peter Gross. I would pay to see that now, but okay. So eventually how do you get the job at safe and why you just apply? Like, how do you get the job? I guess, I guess. You don't remember?

I, I, well, I, I think that during that three-year period from 1986 to 1989 where I was unemployed I Every week tried something I had a thing called my book of rejections over 200 Documents from people saying that's a lovely idea, but we were not going in that direction and that So so CF and why hired me in the fall of? Okay, 1989 I could do I think I I covered da da da da. So, so CF and Y hired me in the fall of, okay, 1989 to, uh, I think I, I covered, um, yeah, tell us exactly what you were doing for CF and Y.

I covered it by Paterson when he couldn't do the sports and I got two 50, 250 a week to do editorials that were not necessarily Dick Smythe type things. They were poor. They were poor. That's the way I see it. I feel like you'd be good at that. I wasn't, I wasn't, I wasn't Andy Rooney of Toronto here. Okay. No, I think, I, I think that they, they were subpar and I was fired by Reiner Schwartz in early December of 1989. That now I think that's 1990. I feel so Reiner Schwartz was already, cause okay, my dates only cause I just had this lengthy conversation yesterday

of Danny Kingsbury is that he shows up in early 89 and he's gone early 1990 and then Reiner Schwartz takes over. So I feel okay. So somewhere after post Kingsbury you are dismissed by Reiner Schwartz. What did you think of Reiner Schwartz? Oh, I have, I have no comment. I barely remember it. And so you're backing up Freddie P. That's amazing. Back in the day, CFO, I had like a backup sports commentator. That's amazing. Now, of course, you know, Michael, there's literally, there are FOTMs who, you know, were in the sports

department on, by the way, my shame just just because on the live stream, someone's asking about my shirt. This is Wendell Clark and Wendell Clark will be at Christy Pitts on May twelve. I'll get a photo of Peter Gross and Wendell Clark. So Mike Hannifin, do you know this name Mike? Yes, he was also. I feel like he was backing up freddy P doing sports at CFY. Anyway, I'm trying to jog your memory here. If you have any memories, any further memories of, so you had, did you have any like DJ shifts where you actually won one? Okay. Cause Mark Weislaut says he

heard that lie. It might've been a train wreck. I was probably pretty amusing, but were they desperate so desperate and I was the only body they were trying out. Yeah. Let's see if Peter Gross can introduce this a cure record or something. That, that didn't work out, but that was, that was fun. However, I want to put a spin on this. So getting, getting fired by CF and why now I'm living in Brampton and it keeps coming back to this. Well, I guess I got to get in the car and do something. I took out my Brampton taxi license and the company that I was driving

for had a phone receptionist with the loveliest voice and I got curious and went in and saw this, I'll say her name, it's Zula. And I saw her, she's a very pretty woman and I asked her out and she said to me, sure, I'll go out with you, but you should know I'm five months pregnant. Oh, and I ended up, she was 19 and I was 40, but we ended up living together for 11 years. I adopted the son Roger and produced my daughter, Emily with her. And even though she's gone on to somebody else and created more

children we're very good friends we get along very well we chat from time to time okay don't bury the lead here you were 40 yeah see I'm still in my 40s and I feel like an old old man here but okay you were at 40 and she was 19 and you had a romantic relationship yeah that's how you create a daughter right okay Peter I didn't know you know I've known you a long time. I don't think I, if I had known this, I'd forgot. I knew this, that she was 19. So she was, she was into Peter Grose. And even though she's five months pregnant, you guys start living together. And the aforementioned Palm Apostate fan Roger is her son. Yes. Okay. Wow, Peter, this is a, this is so,

so, okay. And you have it like, what's your daughter's name? Emily. Emily. Does Emily live in Toronto? Emily lives nine kilometers west of me along the lake shore. How come I've never met Emily? Get Emily to TMLX 15. Probably very unlikely. Do we have a good relationship with Emily? Yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah, I got very good. I mean, I get Graham, her son, every weekend.

Yeah, well, yeah, Graham's played with my Jarvis many, many times. Bring Jar, yeah, bring Graham to TMLX 15. We'll feed him and he can hang out with Jarvis. They can play Switch or whatever. Okay, so this taxi, it's amazing you heard this voice over the taxi, CB radio, whatever the hell it is. You hear this voice, you're like, I love that voice.

I want to meet this woman and you end up procreating with this woman. Peter. Okay. Look at that story that just came out. That was, you know, this court case was worth it just to get that story. That's wild. Well, okay. So it's a podcast. You have to talk. Okay. Let me close, uh, by asking you about our mutual friend. John Gallagher. Well, he phoned me today, phoned me before I came here. Did you record that call? Although there's something magic about John Gallagher.

He's on all the time and it's called cocaine. Peter. No, I don't think he's on cocaine. He drinks occasionally. Um. He kept referring to a Ram commercial that he's doing. He's doing something. I get notes about it. And he told me a story about, um,

meeting Lee Iacocca. Yeah. So he was on the live eye with the City Pulse many, many years ago, and Lee Iacocca was in the environment, many, many years ago and Lee Iacocca was in the environment and he did a pop with Lee Iacocca and now he says, and now I work for Lee Iacocca cause he's doing a Ram car commercial. Did he talk about a reunion,

maybe a Gallagher and grow save the world reunion or any, maybe even a hit on Toronto mic with you to bring that up. But it's hard with Gallagher because he controls the conversation and he wanted to talk to me about the Kentucky Derby. I don't know if you're following what happened in the Kentucky Derby. It's fast. Well, I only know because I'm a big fan of down the stretch, the definitive podcast for horse racing. I know that.

Tell me if I'm right. Somebody cheated like held back at Japanese horse, a jockey, and there's a cultural custom amongst Japanese horse racers where they will not contest a result. Do I have any of that right? Yeah, well, kind of close. It was an extraordinary finish. The horse that won won by a nose. The second place horse was a nose ahead of the third place horse. And as they're coming down to the wire, the second place horse and the third place horse are very, very close. And the jockey on the, what

turned out to be the second place horse, Sierra Leone, the jockey's name is Tyler Gaffleone. He's a terrific jockey, but you can see he stretches out his left arm and is pushing against the other horse. So there's two narratives there. One, was he pushing against that horse because the horse was bearing in and he was being defensive, or was he pushing against the horse to get an advantage? However you cut it, the rules are very, very clear. If a jockey uses his arm or hand to touch any part

of the other horse or jockey, there should be a disqualification. The third place horse is a Japanese-dwn horse, trained by a Japanese man, ridden by a Japanese person, and the Japanese, because of their honor, do not like to lodge a foul against another jockey. And in fact, the Japanese jockey said afterwards that whatever gaffley only did with his hand didn't affect his, it didn't slow his horse down.

But the real controversy here is that regardless of what the jockeys thought, the stewards should have launched an inquiry and looked at that. And there, there is sufficient evidence that the second place horse should have been disqualified in place third because the jockey did place his hand on the other horse. Fascinating. And will we learn more about this on the next episode of down the stretch?

Yes, you will as a matter of fact because I've got a wonderful clip by a couple of Australian race commentators who are just apoplectic, right? Nothing was done. As a matter of fact, apparently today, because they've been prompted by all of the controversy, the stewards have called in the offending jockey and I'm pretty sure that they're going to punish him. They're going to suspend him, which doesn't help the people who had the Japanese horse in second and exactors and triactors and place bets.

Fascinating stuff, Peter. A couple more. I said I was done, but I'm not quite done with you. You have to earn this lasagna from Palma pasta, but you said you're paying six 50 for this, uh, fast facility insurance. Six 68 a month actually is the actual figure. Let me, when you sit down and do the math, do you ever think, well, you know, it'll be cheaper for you to not drive and just Uber everywhere. Yeah, it probably would be, but like how important is it? Like, I know, you know,

I know you do roller blade and then like some distances you can rollerblade and then when you do need to get to a racetrack or get here and stuff like that if you were to take public transit or uber or even bum a lift off somebody you know Gallagher style then you know you'd save money six sixty eight a month is oh that's wild to me so you can just drive around you can't even make money doing it. There's an element of pride. Well, pride cometh before the fall. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

In terms of my legal activity, I guess I'm counting on being reimbursed. I mean, if I get the same judge, because he's recognizing that this, what did, what was his, what? All right. Let me play this again. I mean, the guy's been blessed with it for life. When you heard the judge say that in real time, was there a moment of hope?

Like he was going to put an end to this nonsense. Get that damn misrepresentation off this man's record. Even if that's the money shot I was looking for. Like, get that off his record. Even if someone could make some kind of cogent argument that I was purposefully dishonest and withheld evidence when I had the opportunity to present it, um, the punishment seems extremely excessive to the crime.

Yeah. What you're doing is you're exposing that there's no recourse like for somebody like you who gets kind of through miscommunication or whatever. You end up with this label on your insurance and your only option is $668 a month. Like where is your ability to challenge that or go before some tribunal and, and at least defend yourself. Like there is nothing in the system that lets you say, Hey, that punishment does not fit this crime, which is really just a misunderstanding. There was a thing called customer experience with intact that, that I presented the argument to and they turned me down.

Yeah, but yeah, there's gotta be some third party though, like some objective third party. Cause you know, you're going to intact ask them about the objective third party is the small claims court. Except you got to sue the right people. Okay. So, uh, and I'm not even sure at the end of that lawsuit, it's not like if whatever happens with a broker link, it's not like broker link can get that label removed from your insurance.

Like I think we have a bigger problem here, which is how do we get rid of this misrepresent label on your permanent record? Like I think that'll end up being forget the money. Like, yeah, the money is important. But like I said, you're a healthy guy in your early 70s. And I believe you'll be around for decades. You need to drive in order to make that 800 bucks a week you were making. That's important for you to feed your family. I don't see myself as a 90 year old Uber driver. I do. I do. In your self drive, maybe by then it'd be like a self driving car or whatever Uber back in that

drones will be delivering all everybody's food in the future. But, uh, all right, Peter, thank you for well, I mean, I did you the favor here. I just remembered I was going to thank you for dropping by, but you did. I believe I took that call on an episode of trauma. Didn't you call and I was recording with somebody who was I recording with? Do you remember? Like you called me up to ask me a favor and I was on, like I literally took the call on an episode of Toronto Mike and somebody I don't, I don't know. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter, but somebody maybe somebody will remind me, but

thanks for filling us all in. We're all rooting for you. I think we all we all dig you and you'll be back because whenever you get a new court date for this new lawsuit, you're going to file against the people known as broker link, and if somebody out there works for broker link, send me a note Mike at Toronto Mike dot com. I want to talk to you, but you'll be back for that and then we'll do another update. After that could go on for quite a while. It's like I kind of dig it. It's like this epilogue thing is like we're going I kind of dig it. It's like this epilogue thing. It's like we're gonna keep going and going like a soap opera in the ongoing

life of Peter Gross, thanks for doing this man. Say hello to Garnet Barnsdale for me. You know who was here earlier today Jason Portwondo. Oh Jason. I love Jason. He credits you with his entire career. Well, of course one of many Jim McKenney Jim McKenney Katherine Humphries. Well of course one of many. Jim McKenney, Mike Wilner, Katherine Humphries. Well Mike Wilner for sure. Do you have any contact with Katherine or no? Not for a long time no. Gotta get Katherine Humphries on Toronto Miked. She'd be great. Well yeah I know she'd be great that's why I won her on. Just checking out what the heck this this quick impromptu episode what number was it it was? 1486 and that

Brings us to the end of our 1486th show you can follow me on Twitter and blue sky all over the place actually I'm at Toronto Mike just follow me Reach out say hi tell your friends like and subscribe, I don't know, become a patron, I never talk about that patron, support the sponsors, give me high fives, thumbs up, kudos, much love to all who made this possible that is Great Lakes Brewery, Palma Pasta, RecycleMyElectronics.ca, Raymond James Canada, the Toronto Maple Leafs baseball team, Sunday, Sunday, Sunday, Peter Gross will be there, Steven Brunt will be there,

yeah Rick Emmett from Triumph, your big Triumph fan? They didn't play any Triumph on CFLY, that's why. You should have gone to Q107. They were playing Triumph on Q107. Minaris, much love to Minaris. And Ridley Funeral Home. See you all. Peter, I just gotta see who's next. This ep came out of the sky here. What's next? What's next? You know what? The next recording of Toronto Mic will be at Christy Pitts on May 12th. Who knows who will be on the mic? Who knows? Rod Black, Cam Gordon, Steve Paken, Mark Hebbscher. Who knows? Rick Vibe. Tune in. We're recording that Sunday afternoon, but better yet, drop by, say hi in person.

Peace and love to you all. See you then. How about you? They're picking up trash and they're putting down ropes And they're brokering stocks, the class struggle explodes And I'll play this guitar just the best that I can Maybe I'm not and maybe I am But who gives a damn? Maybe I'm not and maybe I am, but here's the time Because everything is coming up rosy and gray Yeah, the wind is cold but the smell of snow warms me today And your smile is fine and it's just like mine, it won't go away Cause everything is road to being great

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