Toronto Mike'd: The Official Toronto Mike Podcast - Peter Gross: Toronto Mike'd Podcast Episode 1858

Episode Date: March 4, 2026

In this 1858th episode of Toronto Mike'd, Mike chats with Peter Gross about his ongoing legal issue. Toronto Mike'd is proudly brought to you by Great Lakes Brewery, Palma Pasta, Ridley Funeral Home, Nick Ainis, and RecycleMyElectronics.ca. If you would like to support the show, we do have partner opportunities available. Please email Toronto Mike at [e-mail].

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Joining me today, it is very spontaneous, but the man was in my basement, and he was on my microphone, and we happen to have a half an hour right now. This is FOTM Hall of Famer, Peter, Gross. Peter, introduce the gentleman to your left. That's not your lawyer, is it? No, my bodyguard. Okay, who are you, bodyguard? Garnett Barnsdale.

Also, his driver. Okay, so if I, I just want to paint a picture for the listener. So you mentioned it's 220, so now it's 226, okay? But you were driven to the TMDS studio by your friend, Garnet Barnsdale. I had to be driven because, uh, The weather did not support rollerblading here, and I no longer have insurance to drive myself. So I want to say thank you to Garnett, who is being like an amazing sport here because I'm guessing like myself, Garnett, you had to block a good chunk of your Wednesday afternoon in order to take care of the legend that is Peter Gross.

I did. I did have to take some vacation today, but it's a small price to pay to hang out with my buddy Peter. And you were strong, silent type here. while I facilitated Peter Gross's appearance in Brampton court, where, what court are we in? It was a small claims court, Brampton's Small Claims Court. And Peter,

I'm hoping you'll set the table to remind the listenership of where you're at in your legal battle and then tell everybody what just transpired and what's next for you. The floor is yours. Talk to us. Okay, I have sued broker link insurance in small claims. claims court because three years ago, no, two and a half years ago, it was in October of 2023, they terminated my insurance accusing me of lying, the word they use is knowingly misrepresent

when I initially applied for insurance. And we have a whole entire feature-length film here, but I had an accident on February the 27th, 2023. It was an unusual event, treacherous weather conditions. I didn't think I was at fault. Two weeks later, I applied for insurance with BrokerLink. They asked me about my driving record, and I did say I've never been at fault. And the reason I said that was that I had never been advised by any insurance company that I was at fault. Six months later, RBC insurance advised Broker Link, who was providing my insurance.

that they'd found me at fault. And Broker Link essentially got in a DeLorean, flew into the past with Marty McFly, and attached that information to the March 13th conversation, accused me of lying, of misrepresenting. And if you are found by an insurance company to have misrepresented in an application for insurance, you're an outlier.

The only insurance I could get with that message on my record. Well, you don't mean outlier. You mean outlaw. Okay, outlaw. I'm blacklisted. And so for six months, the only insurance I could get was a thing called facility, which is for extreme at-risk drivers. And that's expensive.

Yeah, it was $668 a month. Wow. As opposed to the quote I got in my first conversation with Broker Link was $150. So today was the Zoom meeting for settlement hearing with the lawyers for BrokerLink and the lawyers for Intact, which owns Broker Link and is denying they have anything to do with Broker Link. But they own Broker Link. Yeah. So, okay, well, these begs, there's a lot of questions that play here. But I want to just make sure we're clear here.

You also have a lawyer. It's not Garnet and it's not me, but you have hired a lawyer for this who was on this Zoom call. Yes. And I want to let the judge know something, okay? I did not record any of this court appearance. Well, we wouldn't because it's against the law. Right. And just we have in the past broken that law and gotten some serious shit.

And we have learned our lesson. I just want to make sure everybody knows. I didn't record a stitch of that court appearance. You did not. Gardner, you witnessed it. Did you see me? Witnessed you did not. I want to make sure.

I'm very careful to not do that. Because last time this, we had a. court appearance in my basement here. You know, I think we recorded something right after and I played a couple of clips. My phone was ringing off the hook. I had an OPP officer calling

me, but not to get me to tell me you're going to get in trouble. And then we did. You got a letter from the judge, right? I had to appear in judge's counsel a few days later and explain myself. And I believe earlier in Garnett's a witness to this. I'm glad you're here,

Garnett. So earlier today, you told me you considered throwing me under the bus for that recording. No, you've misinterpreted. I elected not to throw you under the bus. So you chose, but you could have. He considered it.

He considered it. No, it was just sort of floating there as a possibility because in chambers with the judge. It crossed your mind that you could get out of this easier if you threw your friend, Toronto Mike, under the bus. Completely false. No, it never crossed my mind.

But the fact was, you had the screen. You were looking at the screen. screen that says it's illegal. Okay, that was today. So today, that is, so I, uh, just to revisit that and then we'll come back to this, but, uh, today when we joined the Zoom, I saw a, uh, words on the screen that said something to the effect of, you're not allowed to record this.

Like I saw it today. They were onto you. It's just, it's the Toronto Mike clause, okay? But last time, I'm being honest right now. I know, give me a lie detector test, aren't it? But last time you did the court appearance from this space. right? I actually didn't see that. I was actually ignorant to the fact,

but even though you told the judge, you knew it was illegal in that you willingly broke that law. I actually didn't know I was breaking the law, but then I learned subsequently, and I did not record this because I'm now more educated in this case. As we grow, we learn things.

Okay, so Peter, what were you hoping to get out of this small claims court suit that you file? Like, what is your objective? here at the end of this? Three things. Okay. I want broker link to remove the information that I violated a certain rule because I didn't.

Can I ask you, is that what they referred to in court as rule five? Rule five. Okay, so let's use that term that. Okay, so right now on your permanent record or whatever the insurance company see from you as a driver, they see that you are Rule 5 because they say, they say you know, misled them. Yes. Okay.

So this rule five is seen by all the insurance companies in this country. And they go into your file when you want to get insurance for your car. And they say, they see, oh, Peter Gross, he's a rule five. Well, fuck that. These rates are going to be so high you can't afford to. Yeah, you're in the same category as someone who's been nailed for drunk driving five times. Okay, don't name names there. I know who you're talking about.

Okay. So, in addition, she, you want Rule 5 removed from your record. What else are you looking? You said there's three things. I haven't been able to drive for a year and a half because I can't afford to pay the facility rate. I want them to turn the clock back and essentially grant me the insurance that they agreed to

September 11th, 2020, or similar. So you want the rate that was in place before they labeled you Rule 5? Yeah, yeah. Okay. And just so we're clear, because this is what I was thinking, and you did clarify it for the court, your lawyer, but we're talking about just regular insurance as a driver in this province of Ontario. We're not looking for insurance so you could be an Uber Eats or a DoorDash delivery person.

No, because I'm no longer doing that. Right. So we're looking for just the regular insurance that I have and Garnett has. Allegedly. In other words, if they were to say to me, we see that you've got one at fault, we'll offer you personal insurance, but we're going to factor in the one. at fault. Right.

I would agree to that. Okay. So we were looking to get Rule 5 removed from your record. We're looking for that fair rate that doesn't take into account Rule 5. What was the third thing you're looking for? Because I was designated as a violator of Rule 5, no insurance company would insure me to drive for Uber. And I lost that income for two years.

So you're looking to recoup the lost income because you couldn't drive for DoorDash or Uber Eats or what not the last couple of years. Yeah. They were mistaken to accuse me of violating Rule 5. Because the violation of Rule 5 is on my record, I lost two years of employment. Okay, so minutes ago, we left the court appearance via Zoom. So tell the listenership what transpired

during today's court appearance and how you're feeling about it. Well, I'm not feeling very good because nothing was resolved. they put us in separate conference room. So my lawyer went into a separate room. What was the expression? What was the breakout room? The breakout room.

This is Zoom terminology. Yeah, they all got acne, I guess. And so. Clear us still on sale right now. So for 10 or 15 minutes, nothing happened. And then he basically, my lawyer came back and said nothing's been resolved. And then at the end, the lawyer for broker link advised the arbiter. that the one sticking point was, would they offer me traditional personal insurance?

And I didn't have the ability or capacity or permission to scream. No, that's not the one sticking point. So essentially, there's going to be a subsequent settlement hearing about this. So there'll be another settlement hearing. But in the meantime, your lawyer will talk to their lawyer to see if it can be settled outside of these settlement hearings. Yeah, but based on what happened today, that's not going to happen. So why are we going to another settlement hearing?

Shouldn't we go to court? I mean, should we have, go into, what's it called, a court case? Yeah. From what I understood from what occurred is,

the lawyer for broker link is going back to his client and going to ask him, can you give this guy conventional insurance? Right. You mean non-delivery insurance. Just same insurance I've got. So I can drive my car. And, and,

And I was sort of left with the understanding that, oh, that's the only thing that needs to be done. You're not going to get compensated for two years of not being able to deliver food. To put it briefly, I won't. How much money are we looking for, by the way? What dollar figure is it, you think, for the last two years? Well, I was able to provide my lawyer with 34 excerpts from my bank account, 34 deposits made by Uber that came out to an average of $614 a week, $20,800 odd dollars.

So if I lost two years, that's all, I believe I drove more than 34 weeks, but if that's all I can prove, then two years would be in the area of $41, $42,000. So I know you pretty well at this point. You're agitated. You're unhappy with what transpired. You don't like how things were left in this court appearance.

one thing I noticed as the strong, silent friend of Peter Gross here in the background pressing the buttons, I noticed you never actually said a word in the court. You only got to speak when you went into a breakout room with your lawyer. Yeah. The judge didn't hear your voice today. No. Are you a shit? And you and I and Garnett talked about this privately, but I'm thinking we'll just have a quick chat about this before we get back to all that crap.

But I'm surprised that there are several people in this courtroom who are all between the age. of 50 and 70, and they're all seemingly from, I would guess they're from the GTA, although I don't know that for a fact, but none of them recognize the name, the face, the voice of the legend that is Peter Gross? Garnett, he keeps speechless. How do you feel about it? Is that even possible?

It seems impossible for that age group. I mean, Peter was covering my high school basketball games way, way back. Or do you think they just can't acknowledge they recognize you? Like maybe they all. know who they're dealing with, but professionally it's being you know, there's rules. You can't fanboy over the fact

Peter Gross is on the Zoom. I have great difficulty figure out where you're going with. Maybe it doesn't matter. Listen, I'm headlining the alma combo on May 21st. Observational humor comes naturally to me. Okay?

So I'm very excited by this. Now, your lawyer and you, how close is your relationship, are you having summits and and calls, like, he seemed to be hearing about your case today for the first time. We don't, we won't say his name. I observed he didn't seem well-versed in your case.

Like, I know it better than he does. I'm going to try and contain myself here, but we've, we've had several conversations. We've met twice. Your lawyer and you. Yeah. Not us. I don't recognize you, but. Okay, so I do you feel you're being appropriately served by this lawyer?

possibly not. Okay, one thing you just, can I share what you shared with me, which is that you've given this lawyer, am I allowed to say the number? Like, wink at me if you want me to... I've given him some money. Does it matter the amount? I just feel like we should shine a light on all this.

It's a good disinfectant. You know what I mean? I think you're being taken advantage of it. And I don't know this lawyer. He may be the best lawyer. But I did ask you, how did you get this lawyer? And you told me, you Googled it, and you hit the first link.

and hired that guy. Yeah. And that's a dumb way to get a lawyer. I agree. So you know it's a dumb way to get a lawyer, but you did it anyway. Especially since we have a mutual friend. Lauren Honnickman, and I've gotten a lot of free advice. But why did you, on this instance, why do you Google it, hit the first link, which is probably, to be honest, it's probably a Google ad.

He's probably bidding on keywords. It's not even an organic ranking. Like, why didn't you pick up the phone, call your friend, Lauren Honickman? Lauren Honickman, I'm all choked up over here. I can't even talk. Why didn't you call Lauren and say, Lauren, here's my situation. What would you advise me as my friend who happens to be a lawyer?

Well, I think I'll jump into Lorian with... I know, you don't have a time machine. I mean, prevention, I mean, I'm not here to beat you up here, except I heard almost, it's almost $10,000. It's an amount. So this man has taken that money, but he seemingly is learning about your case for the first time today. Does he give you billable,

hours and tell you what he's doing? Yeah. It's all justified in paperwork. Okay. So you're out, but now that you're out eight grand, are you considering going it alone and representing yourself? Yes. Because that eight grand is gone. Yeah. You don't get that back. What do you think, Garnett as his friend? You're not his legal counsel. I want to clarify that. I think he'd do better. He's recited the facts of this case to me many times and many conversations. and I was, like you, I was a little bit confused listening to the whole thing that maybe the lawyer didn't know it as well as Peter does, and I didn't necessarily know exactly what he wanted, I don't know.

So I think Peter would do better, honestly. How close are you to making this call, Peter Gross? Oh, the next conversation I have with this individual. I think that will probably be the outcome. Okay. And if they said to me, we're going to remove Rule 5 from your permit. in record Peter Gross, that is insufficient to you. To not compensate me, they cost me two years employment.

You know, if you accept my argument, they screwed up by imposing Rule 5 on me. By imposing Rule 5 on me, they cost me two years of employment. So there has to be some kind of financial offer. They've got to admit that they shouldn't have imposed Rule 5. I believe that I can prove that they erred. And one last time, because there are, obviously, we've been, covering this on Toronto mic, but somebody might be hearing it for the first time. What's wrong of you people?

Come on. This is a, there's an arc here. You've got to listen to all the Peter Gross episodes and follow along at home, okay? Seriously, don't parachute into this because you're drawn by the bright lights of Garnet Barnsdale, okay? You got to know what's going on here, but just succinctly remind us why you believe they were wrong to apply that Rule 5. the most important thing is the wording in Rule 5 that says knowingly misrepresented. I said that I'd never been at fault because I did not know on March the 13th that RBC insurance would find me at fault. And in fact, apparently they didn't until six months later.

If an insurance company has never told you that you're at fault, Right. You're right. I'm with you. I'm sympathetic to you. And we did have that recording. I think in a previous visit, we had that recording. I don't have it at my disposal right now. But I am sympathetic to you. And to remind listeners and to remind Garnett and I, you were never asked any blanket statement like, have you been involved in an accident? No. You only spoke to this term you use at fault. the original agent asked me to he says tell me about your driving record and I made a spontaneous comment I've never been at fault and the truth was that on March 13th when I said I've never been at fault I had never been told by an insurance company that I was at fault insurance companies determine who's at fault and it wasn't for six more months when that became a lie but it wasn't a lie when you said it. Yeah.

They're taking information from September. Like how could you see the futures? How can you see six months down the road and know that this will be an at fault? Yeah. Okay. So Garnett, you're with me. You think Peter Gross was hosed on this one.

He was done dirty. Yeah, hosed might be a little extreme, but I don't think it was intentional necessarily. I just don't think there's a, I think there's a competence issue. here. Elaborate. I just don't think the lawyer is very good, to be honest with you.

Well, you can be honest with me. Like, we're not, you know. So are you surprised he's already eight grand deep with this lawyer? No, because I think, um, I'm surprised that he paid eight grand and, and got the performance he did today, honestly. I would have thought like, I heard a conversation in the car. He was asking a bunch of questions and I'm, I was kind of making facial expressions. Like, how does this guy not know this stuff now?

It wasn't, it didn't sound like a review. Right. It sounded like he was gathering the information. And I'm like, this is kind of crazy to me. And I said to Peter, I don't know if I like your chances after he got off that phone call. And to remind me, last time you did the court appearance from this basement, like prior to today, you had no lawyer. No. So the judge said you should get a lawyer and you Googled it, grabbed the first guy, gave him $8,000.

And now you're going to fire that guy, eat the $8 grand and represent yourself possibly. I think that's the script going forward, yes. Okay. Do we have a date yet for the next thing? Are you going to let those guys hash it out and see if they can settle out of court? Obviously. I'm going to wait until this guy calls me to tell me what's happening and then we'll have a discussion. Are you optimistic about your chances with this?

I'm extremely optimistic because it's got to do with time frame, evidence, and facts. And all of those three things favor me. the fact that the insurance companies have all the leverage does not favor me. Okay. My feeling on this, and I hope I'm wrong, my feeling is you may succeed in getting the Rule 5 removed from your record. I think that could happen here. The being compensated for two years of missed income from the food delivery services.

That's more difficult. I have the same take. Yeah. It sounds like they want. wanted to go to a place about the rule five, but that one lawyer that came in at the end said, I have to investigate it and see how this is done. And if they can do it, you caught that, right?

So it sounds like they want to go there, but I don't know about getting money at this point. Their catch 22 is if they remove the rule five, it's an admission that they made a mistake. You could do that without prejudice and sign stuff. There's a bunch of stuff you can do to get around that. Okay. Now, obviously, you'll keep us posted here.

We're all rooting for Peter Gross, because I've said this on the record a million times. You're incapable of knowingly telling a lie. Like this is... No, I'm not. Can you bald-faced lie? Can you look at me the eyes and bald-faced lie to me? Practice.

The guy who never lies is the same guy who admits that he lied sometime. Because the essence of being totally honest. But you're the guy who told the judge, oh, I knew you couldn't record and... I try to tell the truth all the time. Okay, you're trying to tell the truth here. So I know you wouldn't knowingly mislead a insurance company, and they claim you did, and they put the Rule 5, and that has really screwed you over.

You're going to keep us posted. Are you going to, because I'll tell you the truth, I blocked a few hours for you today knowing you needed my help, and you need Garnett's help too, for your court appearance. So every time we get another court appearance, Garnett and I are like, oh, we've got to take more vacation days, we got to block the time. We lose a lot of money.

We might sue you for. lost wages. Like we're, Garnett and I are considering hiring Lauren Honickman and coming after you for lost wages. Well, that'll be exciting too. That one, I can, we'll record that one. Okay, it'll be in like people's court or something like that. All right. So on our way out here, because we're just doing a quick 30 minute catch up on everything.

Can you give us an update on Marilyn Gross, who almost became an FOTM, but then decided she had lived this long, not being famous. Let's try to, you know. This is very exciting because. Saturday, March the 7th at the cinema at Blur and Bathurst, Marilyn Gross is starring in a documentary. I wish, boy, I'm, you know what? You're bearing the lead here.

I know. What the fuck are you talking about? There was. She's in the CF and Y documentary? There's a documentarian who put my... What's this person's name and I'll Google it while you talk about it? Oh. If you have any detail.

Ethan Cole. Ethan Cole. Ethan Cole. E-T-H-A-N-C-O-L-E. Okay. He's the son of a... Oh, he's an actor. Is he?

Okay, keep talking and I'll dig up what this documentary is about. Keep going. And so he's producing a documentary and I'm being vague on this. It has something to do about the excesses of young people using their phones,

using their tablets, and not connecting with real life. And he put my mother in as an aging seer to say people should get off of their tablets and their devices and communicate more. And he wanted a really, really old person. And apparently when they shot my mother, because she was only 102 at the time, she didn't look old enough. So they put makeup on her to make her.

She's very good in it. I've seen the clip. She's very good in it. And this is part, I think there's four half hour documentaries that this filmmaker has made. Is it called rogue psychology? I believe so, yeah. Okay, I just...

Playing at the Bathurst and Bluer Theater? I'm not sure, but it was a part of Hot Docs cinema. Yeah. But I believe, although I believe that was 2025, I believe this is the same series. It's called Rogue Psychology by Ethan Cole. Okay, but that's amazing. Are you going to go?

Yeah. And by the way, today's the fourth. In nine days, she turns 103. Just so your listeners are aware. Wow. She's a perfectly functional human being. She lives on her own. She cooks for a dozen people at a time.

And she still regularly tells me how to run my life. Okay, but she said to meet you that she didn't want to come on Toronto Mike because she didn't want to be famous, but she did agree to appear in a documentary. I think that her difficulty with us assembling in your basement was that I was going to bring up certain personal issues and how she dealt with them. And she was uncomfortable with that. Okay.

So what did you say birthday 104? She'll be 103. 103 years old. On March the 13th. Okay, so on behalf of the TMU, the Toronto Mike universe, a very sincere happy birthday to Marilyn Gross, 103 years young and sounds like she's doing very well, and I'm excited to hear that. And she's embarking on a professional acting career.

Well, yeah, better late than never. Okay, maybe she'll have to come on Toronto Mike to promote her acting endeavors here. Marilyn Gross update. And one last thing, and I don't know how much you can speak to this. But is it true? You are of Italian descent? No. I saw a video.

Oh, oh. What are you willing to share about that? Well, I was hoping to be two for two. I was on Toronto, Mike, three, four years ago, and in the midst of that particular episode... That was the greatest moment in the history of the podcast. I get a call from my agent saying, why are you not filing your audition? Right. And we did the audition live, and I got the part on, on, kill, kill the neighbors who kill, what's it called?

Fear of thy neighbors. Fear of thy neighbors. It was fantastic, fantastic. And you were very good in it. And your actual performance mirrored your rehearsal. Like, you just nailed it. Yeah, yeah, because I was absolutely frantic and crazy. And they wanted me to be frantic and crazy.

Last week, Ontario Lottery sent me an invitation to audition for a series of commercial. they're making about the World Cup and they want they want a degenerate gambler no they want older older Italian or Spanish or Greek citizens cheering wildly for their team so I tried to convince them that I can do a good Italian and and my son shot it on my phone and I couldn't download it properly so I sent it to you and long and short is that it has been submitted and it appears that they didn't choose me. Oh, I was going to ask you whether you got the gig. Did you book it? Are we two for two?

But you don't think you got this one. It's Wednesday and the recalls were Friday, so I don't believe it. No, I've seen the video. You're topless and you're using an Italian accent. And I thought you did a great job. I feel like you've got to go, like, submitted as Pietro Grosso. Well, I did. Oh, okay.

I slated it off the top, I think. You can also be Greek, I think, as I look at you now. It could be Greek. Could be Greek. you submit again as a Greek. Maybe they need another Greek. All right, Peter Gross. Is there anything else going on in your life that we should know about as we say goodbye

for this quick update? I can't think of anything except that episode 321 of the Down the Stretch podcast. Oh, yeah. Well, Down the Stretch. And Garnett plays a role in this podcast. Garnett's huge. Garnett's huge. Every day.

Every day Garnett says, here's some content for you. Here's some content for you. It never ends. I have seen Garnett Barnes. at a TMLX event or two. You have. I was that the last one, but you didn't see me.

You know what? There's a lot of people who came to the last one. I didn't know we're there. Like, it was actually too busy. So, uh, come back. That's good, though. That's good. I guess.

So, uh, I do like seeing people like you, but I do remember you came on the mic during an episode at the Great Lakes Brewery. And, uh, so your voice has been on Toronto mic before. But always great to see you, Garnet Barnsdale.

I'm a huge fan of you. And just watching you do this today reminded me of how great you are. Oh, my God. Okay. Oh, my God. What a spear. And you were, you are a relation. I can't remember how close a relation.

But you are a relation to a beloved FOTM who passed away far too early. I went to high school with Becky Dinwoodie. Yeah, cousins. You were cousins of Becky Dinwoodie. My God, what a loss. Yeah. What a loss. We miss Becky in the TMU.

always great to see you. And Peter Gross, keep us posted on everything. You're in the FOTM Hall of Fame for a reason, buddy. I'd pause for you to say something now. Thank you for putting up with me today and for facilitating my Zoom. And that

brings us to the end of our 1,8th show. Peter, are you going to buy a ticket to see me at the alma combo on May 21st? Why don't you and Garnet go together? Can't you come up with comps for us? I don't even have a comp for my mom. I might be able to get Marilyn Gross in there. What day of the week is it?

I think it's a Thursday. I might come. I'm not the person in charge of the ticket sales. Like I didn't rent this place. If we come, I'll buy Peter's ticket. How's that? My intention is to come. Because if you came, I could do 20 minutes on Peter Grove.

There you go. Go to Toronto Mike.com for all your Toronto Mike needs. Much love to all who made this possible. That is Great Lakes Brewery. Palma Pasta subdivisions. Oh, Mark Daley. Good friend of yours? He's still around?

Is that his voice in subdivisions? I don't think I asked you already. That's what caused the trouble. Forget it, Peter. I asked you that in the past. It caused the trouble in the first place. Lauren Honickman didn't like it when I asked him about it on Toronto Mike. He was very upset.

We'll talk after. I'll explain what we're talking about. Nick Aini's, much love to Nick Aini's, much love to Palma Pasta, much love to recycle my electronics.ca. And of course, Ridley Funeral Home, See you all tomorrow when Blair Packham returns for an episode of ReWinder. See you all then.