Toronto Mike'd: The Official Toronto Mike Podcast - Posthumous Jams: Toronto Mike'd #655

Episode Date: May 29, 2020

This Pandemic Friday, Mike kicks out posthumous jams with Stu Stone and Cam Gordon.

It's time now for Pandemic Fridays, starring Toronto Mike, Stu Stone, and Cam Gordon. I'm from Toronto where you wanna get city love I'm a Toronto mic, wanna get city love So my city love me back for my city love Welcome to episode 655 of Toronto Mic'd, a weekly podcast about anything and everything, proudly brought to you by Great Lakes Brewery, a fiercely independent craft brewery who believes in supporting communities, good times, and brewing amazing beer.

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The Keitner Group. They love helping buyers find their dream home. Text Toronto Mike to 59559. nine and our newest sponsor CDN Technologies your IT and cyber security experts I'm Mike from Toronto Mike calm and joining me for pandemic is Stu Stone and Cam Gordon. Hello. That Hebsey intro is... Wow. If you had told me in like 1989 that Mark Hebseyer on a weekly basis would be saying my name via computers,

I would not believe you. I would be, yeah. I'm completely in agreement. I'm like in awe. You know how starstruck i am of hebsy anyway but to have him say our names like that holy i mean that's at least like a 75 value yeah he should be like cameo he should be charging for that i hope he charged me for that sort of did uh he's late on some payments but let's just say uh my mind is constantly blowing because i have to

tell like 15 year old mike that one day you're going to be producing mark hebbshire's broadcast hebbs young sports and you're also going to be producing shows for humble and fred you're going to produce a show for john gallagher and peter gross You're going to produce a show for Ralph Ben-Murray. I wouldn't believe... Larry Fedorik? You're going to produce a show for Larry Fedorik. And you're going to produce

a show with Stu from the Edison Twins. Okay, first I want to just... Unfortunately, we're audio only. I lost that battle. So I want to just, because unfortunately we're audio only. I lost that battle. So I want to tell the people, although they'll be able to see it on a screen cap later. Can't make sure we take a screen cap later.

But Stu Stone, you've completely lost your Joey Batts beard that you've been growing during this pandemic. Yeah, I've gone from Joey a, I've gone from Joey Batts more to, um, I was going to say Joey Cora, but, uh, I don't want to be him. So it would probably be more like, uh, from Joey Batts, like more of like a still company center, like a nice clean, uh, you know, I, I, I've shaved the beard off. I've shaved the head off I've shaved the head off I figured after last week's mishap when I used some questionable language when describing some people that used to

be in this chat this live feed, I figured I might have to change the way I look so that I can't have rocks thrown at me in public Did you have like a sort of Edward Norton in American History X moment, like staring at yourself in the mirror? Although it was very well documented on social media.

I thought that actually Cam had a spectacular sort of response to the... I released a slideshow this week my people. A slideshow of like the various stages of shaving. That's like a really fun thing to do when you grow a beard i'm sure as our buddy who you'll introduce here in a minute may someday now hopefully never but you can you know make a mustache you can do this you can do the other thing and cam sort of made some really great comparisons uh he didn't go with joey batts i think it was russell martin rus. Al Roboski, the mad Hungarian,

which someone chimed in Goose Gossage, which was another good one. Although Goose Gossage is now very problematic. I don't know if you've followed his last few years. Ox Baker. Ox Baker would be good. I was thinking Big Bully Busick. Yeah, yeah.

Remember? Short-lived jobber. Sure, sure, sure. Sal Fasano. What about Sal. Yeah, yeah. Remember? Short-lived jobber. Sure, sure, sure. Sal Fasano. What about Sal? Yeah, very good. Sal Fasano. So I look, you know, I've shaved about, you know, 10 years and 10 pounds off of myself.

Yeah, so you do look about 10 years younger. So you looked, I would say, you looked about 60 before. Now you look about 50. I would say you looked about 60 before. Now you look about 50. You know, I'm training for the Edison Twins reunion, which I hope to be invited to. Oh, Bob Segherini needs it. So I hope it does have a reunion.

How is the audio? Is my quality sounding as good as I look? Yeah, it sounds loud and crisp. I'm impressed. Oh, good. It only took us, what, 12 weeks of pandemic episodes to get there. But you sound great. You look great. I kid. You look like you're about 30 of pandemic episodes to get there, but you sound great. You look great.

I kid. You look like you're about 30 years old, to be very honest with you. I'll take it. I'll take it, man. Thank you. So let me, can I tell the people, I'm allowed to, right? Tell the people the name that you put into the Zoom here. Sure, sure. Okay.

So you, let me make sure I got the right one. You're Sam Crenshaw. And I know right away who Sam Crenshaw is, I know right away who Sam Crenshaw is, but let us know who Sam Crenshaw is in case someone listening doesn't know. Sam Crenshaw, son of Judy and Doug Crenshaw of the Crenshaw family. A long line of security

officers in the family. Sam, of course, I want to say he works like the night shift at Eaton's or Simpsons. It was Simpsons. Simpsons. And, Simpsons. Simpsons, Simpsons. And, you know, Jody, you know, when she closes the store and she's the only one left there, her and her mannequin friend, Jeff, along with their mouse pal, Muffy, they cause all sorts of trouble.

And Sam just sort of turns a blind eye. sorts of trouble and Sam just sort of turns a blind eye. He might be blind, but he turns that blind eye and sort of lets them run rampant, having fun and dancing throughout the Simpsons store. So Sam Crenshaw is the security guard from today's special. Right. And that was about Queen and Young, I'd say, abouts, where thereabouts, I think, Queen and Young. And again, we on Twitter, an FOTM goes by the name Jody's Jumpsuit, so shout out to Jody's Jumpsuit. Yeah, she did wear now that you mentioned it,

Elvis Presley, the honky-tonk man, and Jody from today's special. Noreen Virgin, right? Rompers. And she was Noreen Virgin was a news person in this country. She was. A very successful one, I believe, on CFTO. I can't remember, but maybe you're right.

I just know I used to, I knew of her as a news person. I thought it was CBC, but. Well, you know, you could just get used to saying, you know, you're right. And you can say that to me. Oh, that's a teaser. I like that. So very, very good, Stu. You're smart.

That beard was like making you dumb. I feel like yeah I think that's why I said those disparaging remarks a week ago so I hope this clears the air oh do you want to be more specific or you just want to leave it last week I I made a snide remark a sort of a hot mic moment on Toronto mic uh where I you know was really putting over a man that you haven't introduced yet but just saying how great he was. And in the excitement of having such a great contributor to our fantastic foursome here,

I sort of use colorful language to describe people who didn't deserve that wrath. So I want to apologize to them. Well, specifically one of them because I don't think Tim was ever upset about it. Do you think that's why she's not on the Zoom call right now? Did you scare her away? I hope I didn't.

I would like to think that you've got to have thick skin to get through a Canadian winter and to be on Zoom during the Toronto Mike Show. So hopefully she accepts this apology. Well, she's a good FOTM which means she knows how... We're talking about Leva Famke. Leva Famke knows definitively that we're always... Everything's with love. We're always goofing around. So she

knows that that's nothing to be taken seriously. I think she had a work thing she had to do and she'll be back. Well, then in that case, she is complete filth and I stand by what I said. So speaking of complete filth, before I introduce Gary Ganeau, who's also on the call here, again, have you guys all told at least five people you know and love about GarbageDay.com slash Toronto Mike? Absolutely. All the time. Yeah. Can't stop.

People are like, shut up already. We know. Cam, I'll be very discreet here. Does MF have it on her? Has she signed up yet? MF. I don't think that motherfucker has signed up yet, but I'll

give her a gentle nudge. Okay, just check her phone and do it. But TorontoMic.com Sorry, not TorontoMic.com, anything. Go to GarbageDay.com slash not toronto mic.com anything go to garbage day.com slash toronto mic and sign up and just find out uh what is it garbage day is it recycling day and it helps the show a great deal and now let me introduce formally uh he's known as gary gnu in the chat room uh his mf calls him cam gordon i'm sure she she always calls him Cam Gordon Cam how the hell are you? Good good

Been a bit of a busy week at work But hanging in Yeah Mike by the way on Twitter this week Tyler I forget If this is you or not But I wanted to do Like a separate at birth

Mike and Jeff Woods But someone beat me to the punch because i mean you guys are like merging although your hair is also kind of like tom waits circa 1978 yeah like it's really it's it's really impressive right now i'm i'm honestly tickled pink uh that you would even put me in the same league as Jeff Woods. Yeah, no, I mean, you guys are definitely merging. Also kind of like a certain era of James Hetfield too. Like it's... Like the same anger.

Yeah, like it's all coming together really, really nicely. You do have quite the baby face to go with like that nice full head of hair you got there. So I think that you've been blessed, you know. I want to say also like Ben Shepard like ben shepherd from sound garden like look at that like you're right mike just keep that face for a sec more like uh sandy newton okay it's great audio it's great audio when i keep that face for you guys on zoom uh my so we're what who's the guy who plays the Hulk in the Marvel movies? Lou Ferrigno? No. Ed Norton?

No. Keep going. Keep going. And don't say Eric Bana. Mark Ruffalo? Mark Ruffalo. Mark Ruffalo. Okay.

So we're watching, my wife and I are watching this HBO thing with Mark Ruffalo stars in it as twins. It's based on a popular book and I can't remember the name of it right now, but it's pretty good. And we're watching it. And this guy is playing, he's playing like a 40-year-old Mark Ruffalo. But he's meanwhile, he's like 52 years old. So at some point last night, at some point

I looked at my wife and just said, I look younger than him, right? And she said no. So just last night, Monica was letting me know that I look older than 52-year-old Mark Ruffalo. Did you ever see The Irishman, which is a movie that's longer than our weekly podcast? But barely.

But, you know, when Robert De Niro, they have him like looking all young, but then he has like this fight scene where it's pretty. He's kicking that guy. I remember he looks like he's 80 years old. Unbelievable. But if you haven't seen it, worth checking it out. You know what? Unrelated, but The Godfather 2 has been on TV all week. I don't know if you guys flip the channels when you're at home,

but I watched The Godfather 2 like three times this week after not seeing it for a long time. And boy, oh boy, what a movie. Robert De Niro is so good in that movie. I had to make sure that he won an Oscar, and when I looked it up, he did. It's such a good performance by him in that movie. I had to make sure that he won an Oscar, and when I looked it up, he did. It's such a good performance by him in that movie, so I don't know why.

This just in, Godfather 2 is great. Yeah, right, right, right. It's just in, water is wet, and Godfather 2 is a good movie. I would love to know what percentage of FOTMs have not seen Godfather 2. I would love to know that. But let's introduce the fourth cog in the wheel.

I don't know where that came from. VP of Sales is back again this week. How are you doing, VP? I'm well, thank you. Thank you for asking. So did Tim get, like, is he done? Or is his contract over? What happened?

Well, we'll find out if he continues to host this file. So I really, you know vp of sales is a really great guy but you know tim pretty good looking guy so tim is the glue how do you guys feel about when you see a photo let's say you see a photo on twitter and you know that you're actually in that photo but you've been cropped out like how do you feel about that why why do you ask mike why do you i find it it's an interesting dynamic where you you know you recognize a photo because you know that you're actually in that photo but the photo you're seeing you're literally cropped out so the two of the three people in the

photo are seen but not the third who is yourself it's an you're a you're a lucky man who has like true love in your life and oh i've beenpped out of many pictures by many people over the years. Sometimes I'm standing with famous folks and there's only so much room for the photo on that website. There was a Seinfeld episode about this, right? Was it like Cooper with George's in the background and he got cropped out and then he got drawn back into it. Can I give you guys, I've never

actually told, this is an exclusive for you to talk about Mike. I'm excited. So my profile photo on Twitter which is also on my LinkedIn, it's been there for many years that's actually a photo, was a photo of me and my

sister sitting together behind my parents' house in Thornhill where Stu Stone has spent some time down in the ravine behind their house. It was me and my sister. I think it was one year, this was like two years ago, we hired a photographer to take like family photos of us and all our kids and my grandparents. And one of the photos was me and my sister and I liked that photo so much I actually propped up my sister and have used that photo as my profile photo for many years. Wow. Okay, so speaking of Twitter profile pics,

my current Twitter profile pic was taken by the legendary Stu Stone and I'm holding your Georgie Animal Steel doll. Wow. That calls for some palma pasta right there. And speaking of Thornhill, really quick here, before we get into the jams, it's my theme.

I have to announce what it is, and then Cam can explain it. Although this one's pretty simple, but Cam is the smart one on the call. So another FOTM, Becky, was watching a live video of your friend Hayden Hayden Desser and she sent me a note to say Hayden's hair is starting to look like my hair so I just want to

say shout out to Becky and again if you guys compare me to Jeff Woods that's exciting and being compared at all to Hayden is pretty awesome. I'll do a composite and maybe we'll let the FOTM universe decide. I definitely

smell a Twitter poll in this one. Who does Mike look the most like? Right. I love that Jeff Woods thing because he's got to be the... I'm a heterosexual man and I'm attracted to Jeff Woods. To quote the odds. Sorry, odds. I think attracted to Jeff Woods. To quote the odds. Sorry, odds. I think it's just odds.

Right. I actually was tagging the wrong I was tagging the odds band on Twitter and apparently it's just odds band. I feel like the spoons have the same deal. But I asked Gord when he was on the show. I said, is it spoons or the spoons? And he says, we take both. He doesn't have a preference.

And then there's the banned spoon it's a whole gourd uh not gourd actually um jake gold told me uh never skip the the in the tragically hip like he's very passionate that if you just say tragically hip he he gets like visibly angry so well, I remember the Smashing Pumpkins at some point added a the. This is really getting into some minutia. This is fantastic listening. I think it was when they put out the double album,

they became the Smashing Pumpkins rather than Smashing Pumpkins. Not to mention the the. I have a t-shirt of Smashing Pumpkins, than Smashing Pumpkins. Not to mention the the. I have a t-shirt of Smashing Pumpkins and it doesn't say the. Yeah. I got it in the parking lot though, so. And I like, I know, I like to say the Pearl Jam as well. I feel like. Well, yeah, that makes, that makes complete sense.

You're a bastard. Well, this is the Pandemic Fridays episode with stew stone and cam gordon the stew stone by the way how uh have you had any uh dms from linda over the last week just to let us know how i told you that's that's uh that's a that's a hoax uh she doesn't even follow me so this whole like linda loves do thing is all that's you know that's part of the reason why i have such anger towards leave a famka or perpetuating a falsehood and you know that's part of the reason why i have such anger towards leave a famka or perpetuating a falsehood and you know making me feel loved when i wasn't hasn't she seen jack of all trades i've been through enough yeah i don't need this seriously seriously but but again

i will uh and as i learn every time i release a pandemic fr Friday episode and I get inundated with DMS and tweets and comments, everybody loves Stu. Like I, Stu, could I ask you this? This is actually a serious question. Um, there's been a few articles suggesting during the pandemic,

the, yes, the baseball cards. Is this actually a thing? Like, is there actually, it's actually a thing. So they're worth more money.

yes, basically, basically um you know i would say it's a probably a con a minor combination of things like our movie and things like gary v but uh and people stuck at home cleaning out their attics yeah basically there's like you know the reason why the baseball card boom started in the first place back in the 80s was all based around nostalgia. Baby boomers looking for their Mickey Mantle cards. The Mantles were selling for thousands. They equated Mantle's value with Don Mattingly and they started investing, investing in the new cards. And that's how the boom started. Well, now it's the perfect storm.

Here we are. All the kids that collected from 84 to 1990 are now in their 30s, 40s, 50s. They're looking for nostalgia. They're looking through their stuff. They're finding their Griffey Juniors, their Mattinglys, their Wax Packs. And now they want them. And they're trying to get their kids into it and get them to collect Mike Trout or whoever, you know, the modern player is that you would compare to the stars of our heyday. But, yes, the market has gone to, to the stars of our heyday. But yes,

the market has gone about 10 X in some cases and, uh, you know, boxes that I saw when I was shooting my movie that were $65 are now selling for $500. It's insane. Do you have anything I know in the doc we learn, uh, I've reacquired, I reacquired some stuff along the way, but you know, I easily burned, you know, 30 you know 30 40 000 worth of cards by today's values as compared to what they probably were when i burnt them but you know the funny thing is is you know someone wrote me on twitter uh which is a great service uh saying uh

saying uh you know this the the value of this stuff you know don't don't you feel like you owe sort of a some kind of statement because you said card values were not good in your movie and here they are and i said well first of all nothing has changed about the information that i presented the print runs in the 90s are still the exact same as they were when i said them and when they are so it's it's it's the same bubble. It's like literally someone picked up the chewed up piece of bubble gum and put it back in their mouth. And now it's the same bubble growing again and it will pop again. But it is an exciting time for sure to be a collector.

What a weird comment. Like does Jim Cramer have to apologize every time he rants or raves about a stock that doesn't perform? But, you know listen it's it's it's a dangerous bubble because uh people are gonna get caught up in it all over again uh the only difference is a lot of people are actually like buying old 1980s wax packs and opening them all which is a good thing for people who collect wax because the more wax that gets open the more the unopened wax will become sort of more valuable. I've also seen a lot.

I think we might have talked about this on past episode, those dead spin videos. Let's talk about some guys. I've started to see those recirculate too. So I feel like it's all this old content's getting pulled back up into this new. Nostalgia is hotter than ever. And I'm definitely working on getting a second Jack of all trades movie off the ground for sure. Oh,

wow. That would be fantastic. I got to ask about scarecrows. Is it a huge success? Have, has everybody gone out and ordered scarecrows on demand? I would say that scarecrows is doing as well as the garbage app that you promote on the show,

which means it's doing very well and has a healthy, you know, reaction rate from me promoting it here on the show. No, listen, it's doing it's doing it's doing better than it should be doing. And it can obviously be doing better, but it's definitely doing well. And it's Scarecrows is a sort of a funny horror movie that is available now on demand. And it is a movie I directed. And it's fun. It's a lot of fun. And it's kind of scary,

but it's mostly funny. And remind me, when will we see this movie that features the Great Lakes beer? That will be soon. We actually just submitted it to a major film festival in Toronto, assuming that it's not canceled.

Is there more than one? It's just one, right? You know, I don't want to jinx it, but assuming there is a festival, hopefully we'll get to be a part of it with our new film. Wouldn't it be better to just bank that for a year so that you could, because I don't think there'll be a festival this year. Right. You know, the tricky thing is,

is that you need to put out the movie to get paid for the movie. Oh, wow. I don't know these things. I've never made any kind of movie. But I will let the people know, this movie, much like Jack of All Trades featured Mike Wilner, this movie, does it have a title? I will officially announce all of that here first. Okay. This untitled film that will come out soon from Stu Stone features fresh craft beer from Great Lakes Brewery.

It does. It certainly does. Shout out to them. I wish you had a scene where everybody had a nice Italian meal. I could have hooked you up with some fantastic palma pasta. That's actually the setting for the next film that Cam and I are actually working on together. Lasagna. It's a comedy horror. It takes place in a Palma Pasta. It involves them trying to shoo Mike Willner away from the free samples.

You should make a sequel to that wonderful Hayden Christensen movie, Little Italy. And of course, Hayden Christensen, another Thornhill native. It all comes back around. My friend, well, she's not really a friend. She's someone I went to Centennial College with. She was actually Hayden

Christensen's babysitter. So it's like, you know, she's not your friend. The whole thing. I like how you clarified. Not your friend, just an acquaintance. I think her name was Kim. Well, let me... What do you think

the going rate was for kim services did any of you guys ever go to a babysitter's course because at the library where kim has the uh where daniel kutcher's mom gave him his drinking glass they had a course you could go to like and it's like a three weekends you go and they teach you how to be a babysitter and they give you like a certificate but it's a red cross like i was gonna say like like cpr like a bit of like a little bit of that a little bit of this my daughter when she was uh 14 or 13 maybe she did take a red cross babysitting course and got a certificate yeah i think that i did that too and i think my babysitting business was short-lived the kids were always taller than me they didn't listen to me but all right my friends we're here for pandemic fridays which

means we kick out thematic jams this week it was my responsibility to come up with the uh subject it uh i i quite like my subject i'm going to unveil it and then we'll see if cam has any more meat he can put on the bones. He's a smart guy. I like Cam explaining these things. But essentially, this is posthumous jams. Posthumous jams means these songs were released after the artist had passed away. Posthumous.

Is that how you pronounce that? Posthumous? I've been saying it wrong my entire life. Yeah, me too. This is like Jodeci part two. Posthumous? Posthumous? Are you sure about that? I'm never sure. Is that a Mimico pronunciation or

are we just wrong? Remember, I didn't grow up in Mimico, but I have to admit, I'm never the authority on how to pronounce things. Well, that's what we have the VP of sales for. Hey, VP. We need to find out. Posthumous? I think that sounds right.

It's posthumous. Posthumous. I'm sorry, guys. I'm going to call this out. Palma posthumous. Like, can you charge them like twice as much this week like that's this is like ridley funeral homes and like 12 36 the death countdown i mean there's money on the table there come on i do have i do have to say that i've had a week to think about this joke but um my favorite author

is uh joe de kai you. You should have taken another week. You needed more time. Okay. It's pronounced Jodeci. Come on. I can't believe there was never anybody. I got called out for some snide remark at the two hour and 70 minute mark of the show,

but Cam says Jodakai, however he said it. I felt so bad. I was like speechless. I really was. Like, yeah. I like that. It's not great.

People listening to the Pandemic Fridays, and many people anticipate these things. And at this point, when they learn, because we don't reveal the theme until you're hearing it now. Even VP didn't know the theme. So here we are. We've announced the theme until you're hearing it now. Even VP didn't know the theme. So here we are.

We've announced the theme. So right now, many people are actually in their head right now thinking of jams they think would be appropriate for the theme. And then I know for a fact, because Steal My Sunshine was the last jam last week when the theme was siblings in the band or whatever. And I got at least a couple of comments from people who were like, right away, they thought of that song, and they kept waiting to hear it waiting to hear it and then

we played it at the end and they felt very like satisfied by that so hopefully vindicated but the opposite was hansen like we got dragged pretty bad for no i mean i i believe i pointed it out but hansen got got screwed they got really screwed twice in a row episodes in a row right they should have been played and they weren't. They were skipped over. And I think part of that has to do with the fact that there is a bit of a mental chess game when we're picking our songs. At least on my end.

I'm trying to go places I think Cam isn't going to go. You know what it is. You know, what did Roddy Piper say? You know, I give you the answer, you ask a question. Oh, every time you think you know the answers, I change the questions. Yeah, it's also, it's basically Scattergories.

Like, do you guys ever play Scattergories? Like, it's the same mental math. You're trying to choose something. Well, maybe we should do a special episode, Scattergory Saturday, where, like, we get on and we just play Scattergories live on the show. Yeah, it's Scatman John. Wegory. He's live on the show. Yeah, it's Scatman John. That can be the theme.

Scatcat from Paul Abdul. Yeah. Scatman. I'm a Scatman. Be-da-da-da-do-da. Blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah. Do you have anything? I was thinking Spoonman by the Soundgarden, but no, that's Spoon.

Spoon's Man. Spoon's Man. Spoon's Man by the Soundgarden. Imagine Gord Depp playing Soundgarden songs. Like that would be good. Fail on black days. Okay. By the way, right now, if you played Jesus Christ pose,

I would be fucking moshing down here. I'd hit my head probably on the ceiling. Fill on black beads. Okay, sorry. I was singing Rusted Cage. My bad. I only play the Johnny Cash version of Rusted Cage. My bad. I only play the Johnny Cash version of Rusted Cage, okay?

That could be a teaser. Oh, well, okay. Just put the pipe down over there. Holy shit. Have I properly explained the theme? Is there anything more to add to that? Songs that were released after people died. Is that not what it is?

I think the only clarification, like, released for the first time, this wasn't on sort of the posthumous greatest hits album, where that song was actually a B-side 10 years ago. That goes without saying. It must be, yeah, of course. I will say, like, just one comment

on this, and I don't know if you guys found this in your research. Certain lists online of posthumous, there seems to be a lot of varying definitions of what is posthumonious. Yeah, we'll have to, once we play the jam, the person who chose it will have to kind of explain why. Well, I mean, there was ones that came to my mind immediately and I tried to avoid them.

But it was inescapable because when I sent my list in the mic and realized that there wasn't doubles of the ones I assumed there would be. Well, this comes back to the Hanson thing. So I don't know about you guys, but when I'm coming up with my five jams, sometimes there's something that's sitting there so obvious. I have no desire to choose it. Yeah, right. So then we all kind of we all reach and i don't know about you guys this is going to be something i'm going to regret saying but were you at all secretly hoping hoping over the last week maybe one of the hansen brothers

would pass away so just so we just hold on hear me out just so we could fuck them over a third time yeah no no i definitely don't wish death upon the Hansons. Not the hockey-playing Hansons, not the band Hansons. Nobody with the last name Hanson. I think we've lost some Hanson brothers. Rick Hanson, God bless him. Do you guys remember the Hanson Brothers

band? It was the guys from No Means No, and they would sing sort of punk rock hockey songs. This was like in the late 90s, I think. Sounds vaguely familiar. I'm familiar with Stan the Lariat Hanson. Or Dwayne Gretzky. Sounds a bit like that.

Yeah, Dwayne Gretzky. That's right. I always think of the great Moe Berg and Gretzky Rocks. That was the big guy. Of course, the great Jim Hansen. The great puppeteer. And Fraggle Rock. It all comes full circle. And Gary Ganeau, is it not? No. Sorry. No, no, no, no.

I take that back. Gary Ganeau is not Jim Hansen. Great Space Coaster. Gary Ganeau. Okay. Without further ado, and of course, it goes without saying, if you have any questions about Toronto real estate, Austin Keitner is your man. Just text right now.

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Okay, here we go. Here we go. Thank you. Where I can't find my way without her as my guide. Night falls, I'm cast beneath her spell. Daylight comes, our heaven turns to hell. Am I left to burn and burn eternally? She's a mystery to me. Great choice, Cam. Roy Orbison, She's a Mystery Girl.

Oh, I didn't realize what song this was until right there. Okay, so I'm going to make three comments about this song. And again, yes, this is Roy Orbison Mystery Girl released in 1988 first comment is this a bit of a non sequitur but a bit of Zeller's talk I actually bought this album on cassette at Zeller's when they had a grand opening sale at their location at the Allen in Eglinton West if you remember that it's sort of right off the overpass um I remember going there with my probably my dad drove me there we did a lot of shopping at Zellers and they had these kind of like it was almost like a door crasher they had like certain

albums on sale including Roy Orbison Mystery Girl for some reason I remember that um Roy Orbison was only 52 when he died which is kind of staggering he's definitely one of those artists who seems like he was always really old even when he was doing oobie doobie and hey pretty woman um and then maybe i'll throw this out to you guys the third comment i i did consider putting on a traveling wilburys song and you know what i did too i was looking for traveling wilburys because i thought and then i realized that he was actually not passed away when that song was released yeah when you just said mystery girl was released in 88 i was thinking back to my research and i was like wait a minute but actually the

mystery girl was released in 89 yeah so they they sort of came out around the same time i'm like well he died but he's in a band does that qualify as a posthumous i know where your confusion comes from it comes from the fact that the video for end of the line was filmed after roy orbison passed away so they had the photo of roy orbison remember during his part do you remember this yeah like the rocking chair empty rocking chair and the lights went out during the train. That's right. By the way, that song

they used to play always at the Sky Dome after Blue Jay Games. Do you remember this? That's funny. And I know you have more things, Cam, and maybe I should

let you finish, but I wanted to drop a fun fact that'll blow your mind. Are you ready? Yes. This song is not called Mystery Girl.

She's a mystery girl? Oh, she's a mystery to me correct the the album this is very confusing and i admit the album is called mystery girl this song is called she's a mystery to me gotcha you know what's really fascinating is like over the course of the Pandemic Fridays series, which will be available on box set just in time for Christmas, Roy Orbison has gotten so much love. Like the Orbison estate should be sending us like a cookie basket or something. Like Roy Orbison has been getting so much love over the course of Pandemic Fridays. Okay, okay, beep.

Okay, breaking news right here. Well, it's not breaking news. It's like 30 years old, but I did not know this about this song. I should have done my research. I'm just looking at Wikipedia, a couple additional comments.

One, this, the single for this, she's a mystery to me. It looks like the album from Godspeed, you black emperor. It's like a grainy photo of, or a slant. If you know the album spider landspeed, You Black Emperor. It's like a grainy photo or a slint if you

know the album Spider-Land. It's very scary, but do you know who wrote this effing song? Cyndi Lauper. No, Bono and the Edge. What? Yes.

According to LinkedIn. That's going to tie into one of my jams later. Holy smokes. What the hell? I had no idea. No idea. Well, now that you hear that it's only two chords, maybe it makes more sense. Wow.

This is like when Teenaged Mike was told that Nothing Compares to You was written by Prince. I cannot believe that but i never heard that right it blew my mind it's a fact that's blowing my mind that this is a bono in the edge yeah like there's a whole tie-in like during a restless night of sleep sorry my daughter's telling me to shut up um tell her it's pandemic fr Fridays and she should shut up. They were on tour for the Joshua Tree.

Bono slept with the soundtrack to the film Blue Velvet on repeat. Oh, he had a CD player in 1987. Wow, this is incredible. I had no idea. Anyway. You were in the middle of a list of things you wanted to say.

Did you have anything else on that list? Yeah, no, that covered it. Like, wow. I'm list of things you wanted to say. Did you have anything else on that list? Yeah, no. That covered it. Like, wow. I'm sort of at a loss for words. How did Roy Orbison die? Was it just like natural causes? I believe it was a heart attack.

I don't think you die of natural causes at 52 or whatever. Like, there's usually a cause. Like, was he like heavy into partying and stuff? Like, maybe he was a drinker? I don't really know. I know he wore sunglasses. Maybe he was hiding something. I don't know.

Yeah, he died of a heart attack. I mean, he always kept a pretty low profile. So, I mean, I do feel like there was a degree of mystery, you know. Mystery! My Roy Orbison memory is that he was kind of this guy known for like pretty woman in these classic rock songs or whatever and then suddenly like stew mentions all the time uh he was one of those old-time artists who was got had a big 80s resurgence and with the traveling wilburys and a member uh you want, you got it.

You got it. Like that was like a huge top 40 hit. And suddenly Roy Orbison was everywhere. And then, bam, he's dead. Well, I remember we talked about I Drove All Night. We played it. I think the Celine Dion version on a past episode. Right.

Which is a weird like 80s. It sounded like ZZ Top with the drum machine almost sounded like Jesus and Mary Jane head on like it almost had a similar vibe which is very bizarre right and again that's why I guessed Cyndi Lauper because I know she had a very popular

cover of Drove All Night very popular in my circles that's the only only jam we were listening to. Like you play it for your children every night. Dinner time. I got the palma pasta on the table. He's a mystery girl.

Are you ready? Mercy. Are you ready for Stu Stone's first jam? Do you think that John Stamos ripped off Mercy from Roy Orbison? Have mercy. I think so. Have mercy.

Not the hair, huh? Listen, I want to turn things serious for a second. This is not me being facetious. Assuming you're playing the songs in the order that I sent them to you. Of course. So, the first song, I want to say that I learned a lot about some of the artists that I picked that I didn't even know about in like much like Kim just learned live on the show about Roy Orbison song.

But the next song I'm going to play is very appropriate for what's going on. Assuming you're playing it in the right order. I am. And I know what you're speaking of. Can I, let me make an announcement um that i was very touched i want to say or affected by a tweet that garvia bailey put out yesterday morning and the crux and i i say this uh checking my privilege at the door that i'm a a white man a straight white man uh man you know

checking that at the door because I read this tweet from Garvia in which she basically spoke about how difficult it is to be a person of color. This was the crux of her thread of tweets. And basically, we really can't imagine, right? We can't imagine. And what I asked, I reached out to Garvia and I said, I need to do something here.

I don't know what to do. I know how to raise my children to, to basically not to tolerate racism. I'm, I'm as affected by the things I'm reading in the news every day as anyone else. So what can I do further? Friday. On Sunday after Garvia's dinner, Garvia Bailey is going to join me on Zoom. And Cam, you'll be interested to hear this. We're going to be joined by Donovan Bennett. Go ahead.

Basically, this is going to be a conversation. I just want to hear from Garvia and Donovan and talk about this. I echo everything you said, Mike, and it's one of the reasons, you know, I'm such a big fan of Donovan just because he's really,

and, you know, because all I do is sit on Twitter all day, so I see everything. And Donovan's been very vocal about just some of the stuff going on in the city this week. And, you know, I think it's great when people can cross over. Yeah, he's a guy who writes for the Sportsnet website, but he's also a black guy living in the city and a black guy with lots of thoughts and he's smart. Again, it's why when I learned he was coming on the show, I'm like, this guy gets it.

It's good to see other journalists getting outside their lanes and commenting on other things, especially at a time like this where there's, god it was a tough week it could be a tough week if I may, gentlemen we are definitely known for

fun and games and kibitzing around on this show going for laughs and what not but I do think that it is worth it would be really criminal of us not to acknowledge the stuff that's going on this past week, especially what happened over in Minnesota. Just really doesn't, I don't think that, you know, I think that something like that actually brings people together in a weird way because it doesn't matter what side of the aisle you sit on.

Anybody who saw that video is going to be equally disgusted. It's really, really a terrible injustice that happened. And there's been some lashing out, obviously, this week. And it's really disturbing to watch what's what's gone on in the news and uh you know watching it live and you know this new modern sort of social media world that we live in where people are going live on their facebook uh at these protests getting like 20 000 people watching them live it's uh crazy uh i saw people going into the Target looting live on Facebook. It was just surreal. So I want to say that I was originally going to play this song last,

but I figured I should open with this song because it is written by a man who went through this type of injustice himself. And that's what inspired him to write this song. So let's go ahead and roll the jam. But this is, a change is gonna come by the legend, Mr. Cook. Sam Cooke. Let's just listen for a minute before we chime in on it. Just like the river I've been running Ever since

It's been a long A long time coming But I know A change gonna come Oh yes it will Wow. Just like, gives you Oh, yes, it will. Wow. It's been two years. Gives you goosebumps just listening to it.

You know, this is Sam Cooke. Obviously, this song was written after him and his entourage were attempting to check into a hotel. What was a whites-only hotel. They were turned away. only hotel. They were turned away and through his anger he created this beautiful song which sadly is more relevant

today than it was in 1964. It's still a problem which is just gross. We've got to do better. Generally speaking it's just crazy. You know some fun facts. A bit of. You know, some fun, I guess, fun facts.

A bit of somber facts, but some fun facts about this song. Inspired by Bob Dylan's Blowing in the Wind. He heard that Bob Dylan song, The Answer My Friend's Blowing in the Wind, and couldn't believe that he hadn't written that song. And he couldn't believe that Bob Dylan was a't believe that bob dylan was a guy that was the one who was like leading the charge and waving the flag in popular music and if he felt compelled and of course i wasn't there but i'm just going by what uh what i've what i've learned and uh you

know his his influence of hearing the bob dylan song being like, well, wait a minute, I should be the one that's sort of, uh, uh, waving the flag here for equality. And that, that sort of spawned that, that is what spawned this song. Um, of course, uh, Sam Cooke was shot and killed two weeks before this song was released. Uh, and there is definitely some controversy surrounding the, uh, events leading to his death. I'll leave it up to you to go and go and look that up. But there's two sides to that story.

The Cook family says he was assassinated and taken out for being of sort of a voice of an appraisal. And, you know, then there's the police version, which says that he was crazy and trying to he was with a woman and who knows what was happening so controversy surrounding his death for sure but this song definitely the message rings true today there's a handful of songs that I think of when I think of sort of like inspirational songs like Louis Armstrong what a beautiful world or what a wonderful world, I should say. What's going on, you know,

Marvin Gaye and Sam Cooke right here. I mean, this is a song that even when it's covered, it's so beautiful. So. I almost feel like this song should not be covered. I mean. Yeah.

It almost seems like sacrilegious to do it. You hear it on like American Idol and what, you know, those type of shows. They're always covering this song. For someone at that age, because he was 33 when he died, which is just brutal, to just set out, I'm going to write a fucking anthem because here's this guy from Minnesota, Bob Dylan, poignant poignant i guess for this day um he started to run anthem he did it and you know

people poke fun at like you know the scorpions the wind of change you know kind of the anthem of like the berlin wall coming down um i don't know what it is like it's i feel like by the 80s we're so jaded for like writing you know songs that is I feel like by the 80s we were so jaded for writing songs that are going to have deeply resonance because you see stuff like We Are The World or Tears Are Not Enough here in Canada I feel like this song is

it's so old it's like 1963 but I feel like songs like this really help popular music mature into a serious art form because this this is, this is like art. Like that song is art at a time when like popular music really wasn't. It's interesting that you should say that because this song was actually considered not even a big hit for Sam Cooke compared to his other songs,

but a change is going to come going by what I have found on the song. First of all, it is in the Library of Congress and the National Record. Like they they write the song is in the museum as a culturally historic. Moment in time, so but it is it has been listed in over 17 different publications as one of the greatest songs ever written, and I don't disagree with that. And I think I learned, listen, and I'm not just saying this because of what's going on in the world today.

This is an important song with an important message. And it's just shocking and disgusting that the message is still as important as it ever was because it's nothing, yes, there's been changes, but has there really been changes not enough so we will be getting back to our regularly scheduled antics and banter moving on the list of a of a countdown of dead people that might pick the topic but I will say that uh you know I I do try to smile when i hear this song because yeah you know you hope that the

message will ring true and you do it does give you this sort of message of hope that those other songs that maybe poke fun at are sort of forcing that message of hope onto you this one does it in an organic and heartfelt and true kind of way right you know you sort of feel hopeful when you hear it yeah well let's say just one final comment too i mean i was going to mention what's going on too because i think these two songs are almost inexplicably linked but also about 10 years apart and it's almost it's hard because what's going on i i wouldn't really call that necessarily a hopeful song it's more like a questioning song yeah you. And it's like 10 years has passed and it's,

what's going on? I think it's like 72, 73. It's really like every time I hear that song, like the tone is like, what the fuck are we doing here? The only thing you can hope for is that like the generation

of people that are, that have, you know, that were brought up in sort of like a racist sort of background or whatever excuse they use, like, oh, that's where I was raised. Hopefully that generation is, you know, we're going to live in a world when that generation is no longer here. And the kids that we are raising, well, not me, I don't have any, but the kids that you guys are

raising and the teachers are teaching are brought up in a way where like you know in the future we this will be a thing of the past i don't know if that will ever happen but boy wouldn't that be something it's a it's a gorgeous song it's an important song and i just now learned it was released after sam cook passed away i did not know it was a posthumous. Yeah, two weeks after he passed away. So like literally, you know what? The crazy part about this song is that I believe he only performed it once. And that was it.

Wow. So there's like a one live, you know, there was one live performance of it and never again you should have closed with that because i don't know how to follow it up so yeah i should have closed with that but then i i had my mind blow of the week popping up so we will go back to a regularly scheduled program and hopefully we've made you guys think a little bit with that song and i definitely secured a victory uh just for being so thoughtful but uh you know listen there is as much as we're fun and we're assholes and we're making jokes

you know we do take the world seriously as well and you know obviously we this show spawned from a pandemic which is as serious as it gets and we've managed to put smiles on our faces and hopefully people listening but yeah this week uh hard to ignore what's going on and and and you shouldn't ignore it either you should not ignore it yeah well i think it's what's going on in the world and also our own backyard with these like shootings and stuff and like i assume you'll probably get into kind of the whole deal with houdini here and the toronto which is just like right awful like just brutal like right in yeah right uh yeah yeah peter and uh king there but if you you know speaking of donovan bennett who uh like you said he gets it and i follow him closely on twitter

and uh he made a good point that not to be surprised i guess but the toronto sun uh kind of cracking a joke with their puns and all this on uh who made houdini disappear and all that uh he was he was he was rightly so offended by that as well. So I think we'll get into all of this. And again, I have this, so somehow I have my own radio station and for some reason people are actually listening. So I was trying to think, what can I do other than raising my four kids to basically a stand up when, when, you know, and, and put down any signs of racism, you know, and other than that,

what can I do? And I realized, well, I have this forum. So at least let's have a conversation about it. And because Garvia sent the tweet, I tapped her and I said I wanted her. And because Donovan Bennett gets it is now an FOTM. And I see him on Twitter with these strong opinions. I said I'd like him on the show as well. So that's Sunday night. I don't know if you were watching CNN or Fox News or CBC News or whatever you watch, but the images last night of when the people of all colors were coming together, sort of protesting.

But when they stormed that police precinct, it was like, holy shit. Like, you saw it live happen on tv like they actually breached the police precinct and burnt that fucker down it was like holy shit it's like like michael bay shit like it was very it was very very you know i don't obviously i'm not saying like you should go and burn down buildings, but boy, that was a poetic sort of, like, holy shit. It really was the holy shit moment for me. I equate that moment, I don't know, I'm not ranking serious and not serious, but 9-11, I saw it on TV. Seeing that hit me not just as hard, but I'll remember it.

I'll remember seeing that image and thinking, holy shit, what is happening right now? It was insane. They were bringing out police uniforms. It was crazy. It was crazy. A change is going to come. It better.

It better fucking come. Wake up, everybody. It's time to change. Got to find a reason, reason things went wrong Got to find a reason why my money's all gone I got a donation, I can still get high I can play the guitar like a motherfucking lion I'm trying to wait for the chorus here, but What I Got by Sublime is my first choice on this Pandemic Friday.

Funny how a Sublime song, like, you can just put on, and, like, no matter how we were all sort of just feeling morose there, automatically you hit play on the Sublime record and you're sort of smiling. Oh yeah, Life Can Be Good too. You know, it's like I think that's one of those bands where you

hit play on their songs and more often than not, you're just sort of like you know, brought into this sort of happy place. It's like the tragedies surrounding the band's popularity and rise to popularity. I think they're one of those bands, like they saw a big spike in popularity after oh yeah brad brad noel that was yeah yeah so bradley noel uh passed away it was a heroin overdose tragically i think in at some point

in the first half of 96 and then this jam comes out it's uh i guess august 1996 after the passing of bradley noel and so i have to admit i didn't know sublime until after bradley noel passed but this is one of those things that happens to me often where i just i don't know i discover somebody passed and i dive into the catalog and i love this band it's such a perfect hybrid of all these genres i like like i hear i hear rock i hear punk i hear hip hop, I hear, uh, funk, I hear,

uh, folk. Like, if you took your folk and your... You, you, you would be really

surprised to know, like, that there are people, like, that don't like sublime, that, like,

find them, like, eye-rolling, you know? There's, there's, like, a genre that this is,

and I don't know what the genre's called, but it's, like, that 311 sublime, you know, there's, like, that genre of... Like the beach, what the genre is called but it's like that 311 sublime you know there's like that genre of the speech the beach movement they call it reggae rock i think reggae rock where like sublime is sort of considered you know like sort of the bubble gum of that genre but i i don't know i think it sort of opened out the eyes like people maybe said that about the mighty mighty Bostons. Goldfinger.

Actually, Stu, this is a question for Stu. I like when we go back and ask Stu questions about his California years. You must have been in California already when this came out. Because this band, I always associate with K-Rock and the West Coast. Yeah, Long Beach. They seemed like they were the West Coast. Long Beach. Long Beach, the All Stars and all that. They seemed like they were the biggest band on that station. Bigger than Pearl Jam, bigger

than R.E.M., bigger than all that stuff. Sublime was the hometown hero band in L.A. for sure. Geographically, if you can blow up in L.A., it helps your chances to take over the globe because that's such a huge market. I think Guns N' Roses is probably the last LA band

to get the love that Sublime eventually got. They're still beloved there. That's just 311. You can't hear them without thinking. I don't know. I think of California. I think it was before we pressed record. We were talking about a... about thinking like i just i think i don't know i think of california right it's very good and we i think it was before we pressed record we were talking about a uh i was singing aloud as i do

uh too bad by doug and the slugs and i heard cam say is that would you consider that a ska song right that was the question or whatever and we were kind of discussing that there's a lot of ska a lot of ska in the sublime catalog. Like this is. Yeah, well, you know, they've got. And also there's social kind of awareness messaging in some of their songs, too. You know, obviously, I don't need to get into that. Oh, yeah. The song about the riots, right?

The Rodney King riots. There's a song about date rape. There's a song about date rape. There's a song about riots. There's, of course, a song about legalization of marijuana, which was ahead of its time. That song is actually called Date Rape, is it not?

Yes. I feel like that's the name. And this is, by the way, this is the third album, and this was self-titled. And this was the first Sublime album I bought. And it really is a playthrough. I mean, again, I don't care about the people who point self-titled and this was the first sublime album i bought and it really is a playthrough like uh i mean again i don't i don't care about the people who point and laugh and say oh it's so cheesy or

whatever uh when i put on this disc sublime by sublime i love every jam it makes me feel good it's a summer like i wouldn't play it in like december but i'd play it like i'll be i'd play it now it's like really gotta be one of the most like timeless, like albums of that, of the nineties, like easily. Like I, I feel like probably,

you know, kids in their twenties, like, like this, like they, I look at, look at like the Spotify play counts on this. So,

Oh my God, like a bird just flew in the window. Maybe it's a murder warning. Like smoke two joints or something. You'd still probably get that at 420 on your local old rock station, right? For sure. Shows how old we are that we're like,

that we think that there's still local old rock stations. Isn't there? We have a couple, right? Still? I don't know. I'm fucking around. All right. What's interesting is Indie88 just did a day for Bookie, right? Because it's been a year since Dave Bookman passed away.

And they played clips from his last show on 102.1 and never referred to what the station was. Like, we're going to talk about this with Wiseblood. This is all on the Wiseblood agenda because he knew Bookman personally. So that's a little teaser for next week. I realize we're going to have a four-hour episode because we're very verbose today. Lots to talk about. Posthumous Jams

was a great topic, a great theme. I want some props for that. Let's kick out cams. This is like a two-four. I'm excited to kick this one out. Whoa. Okay, so this is, of course, the song is Nirvana's Francis Farmer will have her revenge on Seattle from their second and final studio full length in utero.

And the artist is Jay Retard. Now, are you guys familiar with the work of Jay Retard at all? Cam, this is going to go down. This is going to cause problems. What in the hell are you doing right now? I actually have some good J Retard stories. And Mike, this might

tie into some stuff. It seems like you would get into some of the stuff with Wise Blot. I saw J Retard play at the Silver Dollar before they tore it down. Probably the show that I went to that seemed like it had the best chance of breaking out into a riot. Because it was like right around this time of year, it was just like a packed club. Did you guys ever go in there, the Silver Dollar?

Like it's very narrow. Yeah, I got my car broken into in front of that place. I was going to say you were probably down in the comfort zone yeah I got it was right in front of the Scott's Mission

where I was parked yeah exactly right at Spadina and College I came back and all of my belongings were gone but I really

I'll let you continue Cam but boy you're about to get an earful you're about to get an earful so just get in

there we go yeah so Jay Retard was used from the memphis area um had a couple of other bands the lost sounds and sort of like a real punk underground type guy uh you know kind of quite popular in his own regard but anyway this this silver dollar is badly overstuffed a band uh called the cpc gang bangs open that got the crowd kind of fired up and then It was just a night of controversial band names? It was just pretty much

problematic band names. A night at the Silver Dollar. Yeah, it was just someone threw a picture at Jay Retard. He didn't like it. This guy came on stage. He was actually, I think, wearing a Hartford Whalers jersey. So maybe a Ron Francis fan, I'm not sure. Bobby O'Leek, maybe Bobby O'Leek.

Bobby O'Leek!vin stevens then someone threw something else jay retard said fuck all this i'm out of here packed up his stuff then dan burke who is the booker who's sort of an infamous character um by the way mike you have johnny dover court on the show do you know that is local music no but he just read a book about toronto uh concert history sort of in the same vein as the fly local music no but he just read a book about toronto uh concert history sort of in the same vein as the flyer vault i think he'd be a good guest for you okay anyway dan burke came on stage he started saying hey jay retard get back here he's telling him jay refund and then dan burke got in there's actually video of this on on youtube this whole ordeal um and yeah like i think about a year later, Jay Retard was dead,

drug overdose, really young, like he was late 20s, early 30s, but honestly, like a really talented guy and I guess like

punk rock would be his genre, but it was almost more like a pop punk, like he had a real sense of like melody and stuff through it all. Stu's looking very unimpressed

by any of this. I mean, it's just like absolutely insane that this is your selection. I mean, no disrespect to the memory of Jay. I won't even say his last name. But you had a chance

to go with some great songs by great artists, like posthumous, posthumous jams. This is a... Was this a posthumous jam? was this song ever I don't remember ever hearing it in my life ever

but you've heard the song you're probably very familiar yes I thought the synergies, the tragic synergies of Kurt Cobain left us too early I think it's interesting it's a very Cam Gordon selection well I will disclose this.

Never one to take the main street. You're definitely not taking Yonge Street. You're more of a Comer. You take Comer to cut across. You're not going across Finch. I did used to get my hair cut on Comer in the Pickle Barrel Plaza. Hair domination. And remember Kelly Gruber had this door there too. Remember that? That's true. Hair Domination. Formerly Sal and Larry's. Anyway, point being, I thought

sort of the synergy of, you know, again, Kurt Cobain left us too early. JR left us too early. JR left us too early. One artist covering another. And sadly, they're both no longer with us. Here's my issue with it is that 99.9% of people listening to us have never heard that song. And it's fine. Okay, well, I will say, Mike, you can corroborate this. This choice was an alternate pick because one of my other songs Yeah, but there corroborate this. This choice was an alternate pick

because one of my other songs Yeah, but there's still so many. There's so, like, that's not an excuse. That is not going to cut the mustard. Okay. If we don't hear Bob Marley on this chart, then Kim, you should be fined. But that might be the Hanson of this week, right?

Well, I mean, that's crazy. He could have picked Bob Marley, Buffalo Soldier, and instead went with J.R. J.R. So just because you alluded to it there, Cam, and I was going to mention it later, but just to tease people, I got the five jams from Cam.

I had my own five jams. Cam and I had a jam that was the same, but I chose my sixth jam to replace that jam. Then when Stu sent in his five jams, he had that very same jam. So the only repeat to speak of is there's one jam

that all three of us picked. Okay, so yeah. Okay, so this, I mean, you made my point, Mike. I'm just trying to stick with the program here. I'm trying to pick quality. I'm trying to open

the minds of listeners. I guess like you're putting us onto some good shit if it was good shit. And it was a cover. Like, I understand you're trying to do the In if it was good shit and it was a cover like I understand you're trying to do the inception thing right because it's a right but that's not a song that was released posthumously

so yes it was it was an unreleased no I mean it was a what no the did you say unreleased how can it be released if it's unreleased at the time of his passing it was unreleased years later which is be released if it's unreleased? At the time of his passing, it was unreleased. It came out years later.

Which is the... Ow, it just bumped my head. That's God punishing you. God is punishing you. Mike, can you mute this guy? Crenshaw is off his chain. He needs to calm down. Go back to your solitaire, Sam. Just to clarify my comment there, I'm saying the Nirvana song, Francis

Farmer Will Have Her Revenge on Seattle, which was on In Utero, that was not a posthumous release. That album, In Utero, was released while Kurt was alive. So the Inception thing gets lost in that regard. Okay, well, you know what, Mike? I know it's your podcast.

If that's the rules, you need to clarify those before we pick our jams. I don't think so. I don't think you should. You shut up. I'm done with you. I'll say this. I'm going to reserve my right to really give you the turkey baster up the tush.

And I'm going to wait until after I hear the rest of your songs to see what your other selections are. What a disgusting expression. First and foremost. I just invented it right now for this moment. TNT. TNT. my flesh, flesh and my flesh. Come with me. Hail Mary, run quick, see. What do we have here now? We're gonna ride or die. La, la, la, la, la, la, la, la.

I ain't a killer, but don't push me. Revenge is like the sweetest joy next to getting pussy. All right, well, you know, Cam, not to be outdone by you, this is Tupac Shakur. I don't know if you've heard of him.

Tupac Shakur, obviously, this is Hail Mary, which is not to be confused with the Doug Flutie Boston College pass. Not to be confused with the Aaron Rodgers yearly attempt in the playoffs to try to keep the Packers alive. But Hail Mary by Tupac under the name Machiavelli, which this song sort of created tons of controversy because rumors began flying that Tupac was still alive after this song was released. And that Machiavelli, if you look into history, is a famous historical figure who famously faked their death. And this song was released as Machiavelli.

And if you rewind it to the beginning, apparently he says, Shug shot me, if you listen in an the beginning apparently he says shook shot me if you listen in an i buried paul type of way by the way you could have picked any beatles song if you believe that paul mccartney got replaced in 63 or whatever you could have played any beatles song but uh you know how like that apparently it goes i buried paul apparently he says shook shot me at the very beginning of this song before the first bell sing rings but yeah this is Tupac Hail Mary obviously there are

songs of Tupac's that maybe were more popular posthumously like Changes which is his most sort of pop other than California Love maybe his most pop friendly kind of jam but for the hardcore hip hop fans in the Toronto Mike universe this is Hail Mary

Tupac Shakur his final album that he recorded even though somehow seven million other songs of his have come out since the interesting tidbit about this song is that it only took one hour to complete the song it took him 15 minutes to write it it took him five minutes to lay it down the beat was made in 20 minutes the song is considered sort of a hip-hop classic. And this was a song that the Tupac hologram opened with as well, I believe. Yes. And of course Tupac was shot and killed in Las Vegas in controversial fashion back in April

or sorry, September 13th, 1996, sparking, you know, launching him into legendary status even more so. And of course, launching a huge feud between the East Coast and the West Coast that would see a lot of people get shot. We'll get to that, more on that later. But Tupac Shakur, you either, you know, a lot of people,

when they list their best rappers of all time, top five, Tupac is in most people's top five. Arguably, you know, he's a coin toss on a lot of people's number one. You know, me, I wasn't, I didn't grow up a Tupac guy. I was an East Coast guy. But when I got to California, I realized how much, you know, I was exposed to a lot more Tupac there

and I realized how great he really was. But, you know, funny enough, the man who was responsible for the West Side isn't even from the West Side. I was going to say he's from, like, he's from Baltimore. Then he went to New York. I might be getting my facts mixed up.

School in Baltimore, sure. But he was like a drama student, I think, in Baltimore. But anyway, he ended up sort of in the San Francisco Bay Area, got his first big break with an artist we've spoken about before, Digital Underground, rapping sort of, he was like the seventh banana in Digital Underground. He's of, he was like the seventh banana in Digital Underground.

He's on the same song. He even gets to spit some bars on a few of their songs off the Sex Packets album. But obviously Tupac gets down to Los Angeles and hooks up with Suge Knight in Death Row Records and his charisma

and the fact that he had just been shot in the crotch after being released from jail. Famously, he was in that Red Wings jersey spitting at the press. He sort of took that and ran with it and became a bad, bad boy and was ultimately shot and killed after leaving a Mike Tyson fight in Las Vegas, getting in an altercation there.

And there's controversy surrounding his death. Much like Sam Cooke, there's two sides to the story. Either Tupac was shot in retaliation for what had happened in the casino, or others say that, much like in the Sam Cooke instance, they say that his manager set him up because Sam was planning on leaving and he wanted to keep all the royalties intact. Same kind of rumors around Suge Knight. Not that I'm going to say that. I don't want any beef with Suge. There's a lot of conspiracy theories. That Suge may have had him killed because Pac was getting ready to go his separate ways.

Well, a big one I've heard more recently, again, I don't like to fan the flames of any conspiracy theories but basically a connection to uh to puff daddy uh puff daddy putting hiring somebody to well that's what 50 cent has claimed for years um but you'd like to think that if tupac was alive today he'd probably be at the forefront of uh you know uh some sort of social justice that's going on you know i'd like to think that tupac would be right up in the mix coming up with some, you know, he would definitely be on his soapbox, rightfully so, yelling and screaming. And he'd probably have the loudest voice in the room if he was here.

Well, I mean, he was going on. Yeah, I was going to say he was already going in sort of the all-around entertainer direction with his acting turns and poetic justice and other efforts. I almost feel like does Ice Cube's career post-NWA happen if Tupac wasn't murdered? Like, would they have been sort of in the same path? I don't know. I don't know what you mean. I think Ice Cube was first.

He left NWA, then he was in Boys in the Hood, and he was in the one with Remy, with Michael Rappaport. A Danger... Higher Learning. Higher Learning. Busta Rhymes.

Yeah, I don't think that the two... I don't know if you can make that comparison. Yeah. You don't think that the two i don't know if you can make that comparison yeah you mean you just did but i don't know if you should well no i just say it remind me because like ice keeps in tweeting a lot about stuff that's happening in the u.s and when you say you know tupac would have been kind of like a big voice too like i'm sort of imagining a tupac in the present day you know i think that's what i'm saying i think he would be he would probably be the loudest voice in the present day. Yeah, I think that's what I'm saying. I think he would probably be the loudest voice in the room and a voice we would have needed

in a time like this. So yeah, Tupac gone too soon, definitely had a lot of future ahead of him. And somehow or another, he recorded like 7 billion songs. And so this, I could have thrown a stick and hit 27 Tupac songs that could have made it. I was going to say the ultimate

posthumous artist. Remind everyone, Stu, how freaking young he was, because we know he's got a pretty good catalog of stuff under his belt in a bunch of movies we've seen. And meanwhile, how old was Tupac when he died? 81, 90. He was 24 years old. Yeah, I think he was 25 years old.

25 years old. That's like a Buddy Holly thing where you're like, Buddy Holly was 23 years old yeah i think 25 years old 25 years old that's like a buddy holly thing where you're like how buddy holly was 23 years old like look at all the stuff he had already done you feel like if it doesn't feel like he's that like now that we're the age we are it's crazy to think that these guys were in their 20s and and just being oh yeah you know what i mean okay totally totally now you picked macaveli and i want to dedicate my posthumous jam to my daughter, Michelle, who likes to joke that we, I rarely listen to new stuff anymore. She likes to joke, but we both together enjoy this new album. Unfortunately, it's by an artist who's no longer with us, but here is our favorite song on the album. Is this Mac Miller? Wow.

That's why I did the Machiavelli joke. Get it? Machiavelli, Mac Miller. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We'll let it breathe a bit and then we'll talk about this one. This is good news.

I spent the whole day in my head. Do a little spring cleaning. I'm always too busy dreaming. Well, maybe I should wake up instead. Well, maybe I should wake up instead A lot of things I regret, but I just say I forget Why can't it just be easy? Why does everybody need me to stay? Oh, I hate the feeling

When you're high but you're underneath the ceiling Got the cards in my hand, I hate dealing Yeah you hide but you're underneath the ceiling got the cards in my hand i hate dealing yeah get everything i need and i'm gone but it ain't stealing can i get a break i wish that i could just get out my goddamn way what is it to say There ain't a better time than today. Maybe I'll lay down for a little. Instead of always trying to figure everything out. And all I do is say sorry. Half the time I don't even know what I'm saying it about.

Good news, good news, good news. That's all they want to hear. No, they don't like you when I'm down. All right, Mac Miller, good news, released posthumously. He had an accidental overdose back in 2018, September 2018. And then Circles is, I think it came out earlier this year,

I think, if I have myself right. But the album's called Circles. But just Mac Miller's a guy that, you know, I kind of was, I like some stuff. I didn't like other stuff,

but I didn't, I wouldn't consider myself a big Mac Miller fan, but I actually really, really liked the new album. And it might be because I listened to it with my 15 year old daughter and we have some common ground that we both dig it. But this was my favorite song.

And, uh, clearly he's a talented mofo, this guy, Mac Miller. And we lost a lot. It's really interesting because it seems like he was just starting to find himself as like a real artist and like sort of rise above,

like just like a funny white rapper dude you know he was really starting to pump out music that had some artistic uh not that his previous works didn't but this one sort of felt like this was his like okay computer for him this was his sort of uh shining moment artistically and it's a shame he wasn't around to see it very young and obviously you know this speaks to the culture of young celebrities and you know pills and the opioid crisis that you hear about it's real it's very real and uh you know you there's mac miller is sadly one of a handful of young entertainers and rappers that have passed away in the last couple of years with the same issue, you know, taking a hot dose or a bad, a bad pill. They think they're taking, you know, Percocet or Vicodin and it's really fentanyl and it's and it kills them.

I saw Mac Miller open for Wiz Khalifa in Pittsburgh in about 10 years ago before either of them were really anything. And I was like, this kid looked like Justin Bieber. He's a little kid. And he came on. He was killing it. I was like, who the hell is this kid? He's what? And, you know, Pittsburgh had a scene going there.

Once Wiz Khalifa kind of blew up, Mac Miller was right there with him. And he famously dated, and I'm just rattling off here, but he dated Ariana Grande, was it? Yeah, that's right. And, you know, they famously kind of broke up and, you know, there was, and then he died

a couple months later. And he was only 26. So he had a pretty extensive catalog. Again, hit and miss, like I didn't love it all but extensive catalog he was like wildly prolific and I don't know

I'm not in the demographic at all but like I loved his like more like kind of his party tunes like we had kind of the kids and all that like it was just you said that song Donald Trump was a good song right yeah Donald Trump was a good song. Right. Yeah.

That Donald Trump famously tweeted at him like at the time. Like this is obviously years before he was. What did he say? It's something about like royalties.

Like he said, I think he said he was you can Google it, but Donald Trump was not impressed. But he did references on Twitter back in the day. Wow.

That's crazy. That came out in 2012 or something like that. A crazy Donald Trump tweet? Yeah, but I think there was also a sample issue too, because they sampled a song by the aforementioned Sufjan Stevens that we've talked about.

You just said that so that you could put it on your Twitter. No, fuck off. Yeah, anyway, point being, yes, another, I'll say this, like, it seems like the artists we are talking about are getting younger and younger as a countdown. We started off with Roy Orbison, so. Yeah, it's like the countdown's almost going reverse.

It actually is. Most of the teens and tots. I don't know how old JR was, but yeah, it pretty much is exactly doing that. And also, one person has selected somebody that doesn't belong, even mentioned with the other artists. But we'll leave that. Anyway. Well, let's hear, if he can redeem himself, let's hear Cam's third jam. Let's hear it. Shit don't feel the same when you're out of town

So come let's watch the rain as it's falling down Come let's watch the rain as it's falling down Okay, so I'm gonna let you guys start off. I'm going to pose this out and you can both give me your thoughts. So this is Low Peep and XXXTentacion. Very good. You got a two for one here. Okay, so a couple of, sadly, a couple of other young, very young hip-hop artists

that left us way too early. We talked about this sort of thing on a past episode where we talk about Juice WRLD. Another pass away. Mike, your kid, Stu, your nephews. Stu, you mentioned when Juice WRLD passed away, that was your nephews amongst their favorites. Lil Peep, I can't say the other guy their favorites. Lopeepa. I can't say the other guy's name. It's too challenging.

These were pivotal artists. Weird how you didn't have any issue saying your last artist's name. But go ahead. Anyway. He does spell it R-E-A-T. Yeah, the young people in your lives, did the deaths of these two artists affect them were they upset did they have reactions yeah i like the uh xxx tension uh i think that that was definitely somebody that was uh that was in their playlist and and i actually had one of his songs

in my uh in on my uh phone on my Apple Music downloads. Talented kind of rapper, but again, it's really the same story here. It's like, you know, these drugs, now it's in pill form. Back in our day, they used to shoot it up. It's easily accessible, and it's killing people. Well, these guys were 20 and 21 and like like I also shouldn't joke

about it's not funny at all but like I don't think Extension died he got shot though he was shot he was shot I was just gonna say like there's almost the crossover with the Tots and Teens thing too which is just like you know I had never heard of

Lil Peep until after his passing um but i remember vividly i follow a juicy jay on uh from three six mafia on twitter and i remember juicy jay did like a rip little tweet or a little peep and i'm like what and apparently you know he definitely he definitely had a following, and one of these sort of social media sensations, you know. The interesting part is that, like, there's sort of this subgenre that both of these artists are sort of in, which was like this sort of emo rap,

where you have these, like, sort of guys who have the appearance that they might be thugs but they're actually quite sensitive young men uh juice world specifically uh you know it's it's crazy it's crazy i was just one final comment i think you hit on something stewed like obviously there's a generational thing so like i don't know like any Money passes away and it seems like Tess, it's big news, but I tell you like young entertainers, because we've seen this sort of with some YouTube creators who have passed away very young too. The first time you hear about them is in passing, like there was that guy Pop Smoke who passed away too. And yeah,

like I had never heard of him and they look, it's, you know, he has like, you know, millions and millions and millions of streams on Spotify. I think it's sort of a statement on the absence of the monoculture, too, where these people are wildly popular. We've seen it with some professional gamers, all these other subcategories where you don't see them on CNN or CBC, but amongst a certain demographic are as big as like Elvis Presley or Tom Cruz or Brad Pitt.

You know, this is, this happens all the time. Recently in a car accident, a popular YouTuber passed away. And I learned about this YouTuber by re by hearing that he passed away. And my daughter has to, you know,

I've been watching him for years. She's really upset. She's upset the way, you know, you know, we'd be upset if somebody we loved as a teenager had suddenly passed away and you're right we this person was invisible to me because you said it the fragmentation and the different media streams you can literally have a a huge following through a channel that you're simply not in tune with the monoculture's dead. And I just want to point, we talk about getting younger and younger,

and I think Juice WRLD is the gentleman who took the pills in the airport, right? He's the one who was... Yeah, the police were going to raid his plane, and so he just took the pills instead. And XXXTentacion, I know he died of gunshot wounds. Well, I think he had more of a

negative sort of circumstances around him. I think he was involved in some cases that were not so pleasant involving him allegedly battering or kidnapping or who knows what he was doing. But do you know how old he was when he... I don't know, but if I guess, I would say like 17, 18, 19. He was 20 and Lil Peep was 21. Yeah. Juice WRLD was 21. Like, it's brutal.

So when I play a 27-year-old. Great topic, Mike. Interestingly enough, like, you know, hip hop is sort of like, and these young artists will never have to go through this, but it seems like one of the top genres of music in the world right now, it's the most popular, but it's also like a genre that you age out of pretty quickly as an artist. You know,

it's not like rock where you can have like the Rolling Stones go out at 70 and still like play. Well, I remember when jay-z turned 40 it was like it was just weird to see like a still relevant and i mean yeah we will still see a relevant rapper in his 40s just like hip-hop seems to be the music it's it's it's rock and roll is hip-hop now the music of the young generation right is rap music so you know you don't really see... That's what I'm saying.

Like, these guys will never age out because they... Well, just one final comment just to go back to Mac Miller, too. Like, he seemed like the real legacy artist when he died. And he was, like, 26. Like, he's still, like, a kid.

Yeah. Ugh. I just want to say, as a guy... I'm, like, really sad. Yeah, yeah, I know. I mean, I picked a very sad topic. I almost now wonder if we should just do a different topic. Do you want to start this again? Sure, sure.

Well, because... Play some Geordie. Come on. He's probably pushing 50 now. Who knows? I'm going to play a jam from somebody following all these 20-year-olds, 21-year-olds. 27 seems like you lived a good long life in comparison, but here's another posthumous jam from Stu Stone.

Yo, check it. Call Lil' C's. Tell that motherfucker to bring me some motherfucking weed from the hospital. Fuck that. Tell that reporter to go pick up 10,000 from Dez. Go take about 20 Gs from Gina. Tell that motherfucker to get this nigga next door. I'll be out of here. That nigga be showing all night. I can't sleep. I'm gonna take about like 20 G's from Gina. So, this is, uh, Big Clip all the time. Big Papa kick the war around. Raw flows and that's how it goes.

So this is, you know, the notorious B.I.G. Christopher Wallace, who many people consider the greatest rapper of all time. You know, I played Tupac before. You know, I played Tupac before, then you got Biggie, who died months later, executed in Los Angeles while attending a Soul Train Music Awards after party at the Los Angeles Museum of Automobiles on the corner of, I want to say it's like La Brea in Wilshire or Fairfax in Wilshire. But this is probably not my favorite Biggie song. This is a song that came out with the release of his biopic that came out a few years ago.

I guess it's more than a few years ago now. You know, his album, Life After Death, any of those songs could have been played here and probably should have been played here. There's a reason Mike's playing these in a reverse order than I sent him there was a story i was going to tell which i'll get to backwards now it's okay my apologies it's all good but uh it's a pandemic stew yeah it's all good the notorious big notorious i mean listen you could have played

biggie biggie biggie can't you see sometimes his hip. That might have been his biggest hit he ever had. He was dead already when that album came out. And, you know, unbelievable talent. Biggie Smalls, The Notorious B.I.G. And, you know, I don't know. It's just, it's a shame. It's a shame because this is a guy that really was that good. Just had a really cool swagger about him.

His raps were cool. And like he, you know, Puff Daddy gets a lot of slack for sort of picking up the pieces after Biggie's death and sort of, you know, assuming the role of front man. But I do give Puff Daddy a lot of credit because his influence on Biggie is so evident in his success uh you know when Biggie's first when you listen to his early works he's sort of like a yell rapper and it was like Puffy that sort of told him hey man he'll you know try that

and and sort of that became his signature flow is like that when he's chill and I know that also worked for Mace when Mace you know Puffy sort of brought in this new flow is like when he's chill. And I know that also worked for Mase when Mase, you know, Puffy sort of brought in this new style of rap where you can say really aggressive things, but in a really relaxed kind of way. But I can pull up some fun facts about this song. But, you know, listen, people were either a Tupac or a Biggie fan back then. And I would say I was probably more of a Biggie fan than a Tupac fan back then. What about you Cam yeah I definitely say more Biggie although it's also like it

frankly like just his stuff would get played more in Canada like Tupac was always sort of known by feel like more like an underground artist before his passing like it was just I feel like his stuff I don't know maybe just because i was watching so much much music i just remember you know the videos for like juicy and like one more big papa yeah like that all that stuff was you know in the top 30 countdown the coca-cola countdown or whatever they called it whereas like tupac i don't know i i don't remember him having charting singles. Right. Well, California Love was a pretty big one. Yeah. Yeah. Well, yeah.

I just remember like I was already in university by the time that came out. Was Dear Mama a hit? Yeah, Dear Mama was a single. Yeah. It wasn't as big as any of Biggie's songs. No. But, you know, Biggie and Tupac at one point were friends you know slept on each other's couches they were boys and uh they were the two figure and and you know people may have

thought hey maybe they're just doing this on purpose to get attention and really like you know it's pro wrestling and you know hogan and and king kong bundy are having beers in the back after the match but i don't think that was – if that was the case, they certainly weren't performing for wrestling fans who knew it was a work because both of them ended up dead as a result of this rivalry. And you want to talk about senseless deaths. Biggie and Tupac, as much as their lyrical content, more Biggie than Tupac maybe, maybe wouldn't fly in 2020 anymore.

Some of the stuff he says in his lyrics. He would still fly. It would be okay. He was a storyteller in his own right. And everybody, even VP of sales, who probably isn't the biggest hip-hop fan, knows who the Notorious B.I.G. is. Why do you say that, Stu?

Why do you assume? I just don't think he is. I just don't think he is. I could be wrong. Do I look like a hip-hop fan? Well, I do you assume... I just don't think he is. I just don't think he is. I could be wrong. Do I look like a hip-hop fan? Well, I know you are. What does a hip-hop fan look like, Stu Stone? Well, it looks like anybody who's

not wearing his blinds behind him. I'm just busting your chops. I want to ask a request, though, of Cam. Can we take the photo like 10 seconds after I start this jam? Because I want to strike a menacing pose and see if I can... Wait, are we done talking about Biggie?

Is that what you're saying? No, no, no. When I do... Sweet Biggie under the rug? Because then VP of sales can turn off his camera, which he just did. And I'm just... I know this is behind the scenes stuff, but I want to see if i can

look like mean and angry in a photo so uh but please big yeah biggie and tupac this this spawned the the songs right the uh west coast all-stars and the uh all in the same gang and all these uh charity singles all kind of came out of this this violence am I right? I think all in the same gang was more like NWA era, was it not? I feel like JJ Fadden stuff. Maybe I'm confusing my... No, this one spawned like the Every Breath You Take sample and then, you know, I'll Be Missing You and... I was going to say, it also spawned two just massive cultural figures

to this day, like, you know, similar to. Yeah. Biggie and Pac still considered the best even today. Yeah. Look at, if you listen to Tupac hit him up, that is probably the most ruthless battle rap. This record of all time,

uh, you know, Tupac famously bragging that he had sex with Biggie's wife. Yeah. He never really answered that. You know, Tupac famously bragging that he had sex with Biggie's wife. Biggie never really answered that. You know, he had Who Shot Ya, which he released a song called Who Shot Ya just after Tupac was shot in the dick. You know, they say that Puff Daddy set that whole thing up. Who knows?

I'm just saying Biggie never really came back at Tupac for Hit Em Up. And I don't know whether he was just being a mensch or whether he just didn't want to engage. But like you would expect, like Biggie never really did diss records. Like he threw in subtle sneak disses, but he wasn't as brazen about it like Tupac was. Interesting. Rose above it. Tupac was. Interesting. Rose above it.

Now I'm remembering the great Meek Mills versus Drake diss battle. That's an interesting battle too. I mean, listen, if you think of Meek Mill, this guy put out stuff that should have ended Drake. And somehow Drake, I don't know how, but Drake not only overcame it, but

became bigger than ever. After a guy exposed him for not rapping his own raps that's the power of Drake so God bless Drake I think it's also the power well it's not the power it's a reflection of what do people actually care about

like there's sort of outrage on social media and you know certainly there's a lot on Twitter but at the end of the day do people really care about that sort of thing well i think like rap is something that like the rapper is supposed to be able to like write his own raps ideally yes but uh i guess you know for years there's been ghost ghost writers and um interesting feud but to say the least uh the fact that drake like wiped the mat with meek mills but his songs are better right like yeah well his songs were better but i'm just saying like that meek mills

like what he exposed like should have ended drake because and it only made him bigger only made him bigger like a diss track like let's say back to back for example literally like back to back was a like a bonafide hit oh yeah yeah. Drake's diss tracks were hits. But Meek Mill was playing Drake songs without Drake's vocals on them with someone else rapping them. That's pretty insane.

Inconclusive I think. And I think if you go back to the Biggie and Tupac battle, I think that nobody won there because both guys ended up dead. I was going to say they both lost. Yeah, we all lost that battle. And if you really go and look back at both men's catalogs,

both are quite prolific considering their age. You know, Biggie Smalls, his music is timeless to me. Like Cam said, that Sublime is a timeless record. I think that 90% of Biggie's music is still bumps, the same way that it did then. That's it. Rest in peace to both of them. Absolutely.

And some big jams are coming up, and I'm going to press play on this, and then I'm going to strike a menacing pose for the Zoom camera. So get ready, Cam, cam with your, uh, screen capture. Crybaby This whole album, Pearl, by Janis Joplin, was released posthumously, and I could have picked a number of great songs on Pearl. Fantastic album.

I decided to go with Crybaby. The vocals are, you know, it's Janis Joplin. Like, nobody sings like Janis Joplin. It's unbelievable. And I knew once I picked this topic, posthumous jams, I knew I just had to decide which Pearl song would make the cut. And she, of course, is

one of the trifecta, if you will, of the 27 clubbers that left us in the late 60s, early 70s. Jim Morrison, Jimi Hendrix, and Janis Joplin. What say you guys?

I don't know if I have any thoughts on this. I don't know. I'm almost a bit thrown because, I mean, this episode is a lot more contemporary than some of the past ones in terms of the uh youth of some of the artists we're talking about i mean it's yeah it's hard this sort of gets back to janice joplin you know we were all born after her passing i think mike maybe you're like you're in utero perhaps. Nope. Talking back to Nirvana.

Probably not even. Yeah. I mean, it's again. Yeah. I don't know. This is going to be sort of unpopular opinion. I'm not really a fan of Jess Choplin and her music.

I get why she's relevant. I get why people like her. But yeah, that's sort of, yeah, I don't know. I feel I get why people like her. But yeah, that's sort of, yeah, I don't know. I feel like I should say anything. I think that she's,

you know, you want to, one of the first sort of female superstar performers that had this sort of rough around the edges approach that you didn't really see before her. And you've seen plenty after her. That's Jordan. see before her, and you've seen plenty after her. Suss Jordan. Her vocals are mesmerizing, for sure. Janis Joplin, you think of a shouty, soulful, little kind of powerhouse.

And I sent you something on the chat here, Mike. I have a fun kind of tie-in to this. If you could maybe play what I just sent you something on the chat here, Mike. I have a fun kind of tie into this. If you could maybe play what I just sent you, but I wanted to give you a backstory on it. You have to DM it to me because I'm playing the music off the other laptop. Okay, I'll DM it to you right now. I just want to tell you a funny story

about this song specifically. I was vaguely familiar with this song because obviously I'd obviously it was i'd heard it but it wasn't it wasn't something that like ever stuck with me and a friend of mine we were hanging out uh her name is allison porter she she was actually was a child actor much like myself she was curly sue in the movie curly suit i remember this name. Yes. Yes. incredible performance. Allison would actually get discovered, rediscovered from this YouTube video and was invited to be on the show, The Voice. And on season 10 of The Voice, she sang this song on the show and won. She was the season 10 champion of The Voice, Allison Porter, a buddy

of mine. And it all started from singing Cry Baby. And I sent you the link so you could hear, but it's just like a phenomenal rendition of it uh and it was just like casual at some karaoke night that we went out one night yeah i will say this is why it's hard to appear on episodes of stew because he's just like oh i'm just friends with the person at curly sue Sue. And like my stories are like, yeah, my dad drove me to Zellers to buy the Roy Orbison cassette. Like I got nothing.

Like, I don't know. I encourage everybody to check out, maybe Cam will tweet out the link to this performance. But Alison Porter, you should check her out. A fantastic singer. And if you're not a fan of Janis Joplin,

maybe you will be a fan of Alison's, Cam. Well, let me turn it up for 10 seconds so we can hear Alison here hold on See as good as Alison is though she's not Janis like this is what I'm saying I know I know It's like an effortless sort of talent that you just can't believe

people have that kind of talent. That's Janis Joplin. And so I think, you know, Allison is very, it's insane. And she ended up winning The Voice. Wow. I hear that's a popular show. Very good for Allison. That's amazing.

And back to Janis Joplin real quick is that I could have picked, for example, I could have picked the Chris Christopherson jam, Me and Bobby McGee. Me and Bobby McGee was released posthumously on Pearl. I could have done the Mercedes-Benz. I went with Cry Baby. I like the vocals on it. And I think it's one of the best posthumous albums of all time. How did she die?

Was that a drug thing too? Yeah, all three of those, though. The Jim Morrison, Jimi Hendrix, Janis Joplin, all 27 years old, all within 18 months of each other and all drug overdoses accidental overdoses it's also odd well it's not odd but they were all the same age and also it's like the 60s ended and then they just started like right as the 60s were about to end in some cases like janice Joplin died in 1971. But it's almost like 60s are ending.

Time to go away. Right. I don't know. Right. All right, let's get to Cam and his fourth. I'm just going to preface two of my main three choices. Stu's going to have a real breakdown. He's not going to be a fan of these. So just be ready listeners.

What he might sort of remember, but we'll see. I haven't left this heart in a long time. I better stop now before I start crying. Go off to sleep in the sunshine I don't wanna see the day when it's dying She's a sight to see She's a good to me

I'm already somebody's baby. She's a pretty thing. Pretty thing. She knows everything. Everything. It's a pretty short song. It's an Elliot Smith song called Twilight from his posthumous album. I just don't want to botch the name here.

From a Basement on the Hill. Are you guys fans familiar with Elliot Smith? He was sort of one of those artists I feel like most people knew, but maybe weren't familiar with his music, aside from perhaps his tracks on the Goodwill Hunting soundtrack. He did Miss Misery and performed on the Academy Awards famously, back-to-back with Celine Dion, of all people. I always get confused.

Was it between him and Jeff Buckley? Did this gentleman, did Elliot Smith drown? No, Jeff Buckley was the one who drowned. Elliot Smith, God, I'm like bummed this episode is so sad Elliot Smith actually stabbed himself in the chest allegedly stabbed himself

in the chest what a way to go they found him in I think it was this apartment with a post-it note allegedly god this is so sad and I think it was this apartment with a post-it note, allegedly. God, God,

God, I was just reading it. God, this is so sad. Yeah. So like this album, anyway, yeah,

it appears self-inflicted stab wounds and Elliot Smith had a long history that was fairly well documented of various substance abuse and also some issues with like paranoia and some more mental stuff. Some of the most brilliant people in, in, in that entertain us with acting and comedy and music have, are, are, are hurting the most inside.

You learn that more and more. And this is obviously another example of that. Yeah. And like when, one of those artists, I mean, again, if you can't go into his just some heartbreaking, heartfelt stuff,

like a real gentle soul, but also like a product of kind of like 90s indie rock of a lot of artists we've talked about, whether it's kind of the Pavement and Dinosaur Jr. kind of sort of came out of that scene, but again, had a weird

career arc because he did have that bump with goodwill hunting that was like really he got a lot of notoriety off that again performing on the academy awards but it was still kind of an underground artist and then sort of retreated back underground was still kind of popular too so like never really got radio airplayed, but was generally well known by name, if not by his music. You know who sounds a bit like him is, you mentioned him earlier in this episode, Suffern Stevens. Like, there's a bit of a...

Well, yeah, I mean, I just mentioned him so he could go on my little chart, as Stu pointed out. But, yeah, sort of, you know, with Bright Eyes. Mishi-me, Mishi-me, Mishi-me, Mishi-me. Sure, Mishi- of, you know, with bright eyes. Mishy me, Mishy me, Mishy me, Mishy me. Sure, Mishy me, you know. Rusty.

Rusty, Trouble Charger. Hawksley Workman. Hawksley Workman. Hawksley Workman, sure. Who's coming on Toronto Mike's in a couple of weeks, by the way. He's coming back. Jamie Kennedy, who's a musician. Who just turned 50.

Yeah, who just turned 50 birthday 50th birthday still with us very good back to ellie smith uh hearing you know you mentioned these art artists uh often creative artists are dealing grappling with uh mental illness depression anxiety etc uh by the way sick not weak uh my special guest on monday is michael landsberg and we're gonna talk a great deal about sick not weak but i think about the silver jews is uh david berman who recently took his own life and it was only when i again i won't repeat my long boring story but i didn't really know much about david berman until he took his own life and wise blot was talking about it and then i dove in and then

it mesmerized me for months and months i was like i think I shared this on a past episode and Stu, you can just like vomit and as we continue with Deep Indie Rock, but I think I mentioned I had tickets to see David Berman and his new band, the Purple Mountain,

or Purple Mountains. The Purple Mountains. Yeah, and Palace and there's a show that never happened and sadly, the Silver Jews only played in Toronto once.

I wasn't there and we'll never get to see David Berman. Oh, the fun, fun, fun posthumous fact about... Fun posthumous. I'll just say the sphere of influence of David Berman, there's actually a microbrewery in southern Ontario, somewhere out near London area called Trains Across the Sea

that is all named after Silver Jews tracks and has several beers named after Silver Juice lyrics. I'm going to play a song that we all three chose. So we gave it to Stu. This is officially going in the records. But can I just, you know, I just want to say the reason why I chose it. The order of the story that I was going to tell there,

Notorious, which Biggie Smalls, I played last, that sampled the song Notorious by Duran Duran, which was in the movie Donnie Darko. And this next jam, we talked about this when you played In Excess, Never Tear Us Apart, which is originally the song that was at the beginning of Donnie Darko, was replaced by this jam that we're going to play next. This is more in BPXL's wheelhouse. I feel like this is sort of like, Kim, I believe you played like the National last week. I feel feel like this is like influenced bands like that yeah yeah um but uh joy division love will tear us apart written literally about love tearing us apart he wrote this about like the divorce with him and his wife and then ended up killing himself shortly after uh you know, Ian Kevin Curtis died in May 1980. Ironically, the song, it was released in 1980, but it didn't become popular until a re-release in 1982.

You know, when MTV came to be, this was one of the, you know, sort of OG alternative sort of MTV jams. Rolling Stone listed as one of the 500 greatest songs of all time. And to sort of tie it into something that Cam brought up earlier with his Roy Orbison fun fact with Bono and The Edge. U2 was recording their debut album the same time Joy Division was in the studio next door and Bono happened to crash the session here and was sitting in on the session for this song and was, according to Bono, was like a life-changing sort of experience. He thought that obviously there was a lot of eccentric energy going on that was some of it volatile, some of it not,

but the actual song itself touched him. And a lot of your UK artists of that time consider this to be the greatest pop song ever. But I, to me, it ties into me because obviously this is the song that famously opens the movie Donnie Darko, which to me is a song that the more you kind of dig into what this song's about,

it sort of makes more sense to have this song open Donnie Darko, just how the plot goes and how he sort of dies for his love. And where was Stu in Donnie Darko? The Killing Moon, was that over the final credits? Because that was like a big theme. No, that was not. That was during the Halloween party. Was it? Okay.

You were dressed up like Hulk Hogan, right? I was, yes. Yes, sir. Could I make a couple of comments about this song? Please. I know we were all going to pick it. So interestingly enough, Bob Marley gets the shaft, but Joy Division does not.

Yeah, so two comments about Joy Division. One, FOTM Scott Turner tweeted this out this week. We just hit the 40-year anniversary of a concert that never happened in Toronto where Joy Division were booked to appear at The Edge, the club booked by another former FOTM, one of the Garys. Have they both been on?

They have both been on Toronto Mike. Gary Topps and Gary Cormier. Yeah, so a club called The Edge that was on the Ryerson campus that had all sorts of people appear there over the years. The Police and I think the B-52s. And Joy Division was booked to appear. It never happened after Ian Curtis hung himself.

Obviously, New Order has appeared in Toronto many times. Yeah, I was going to say, I was going to say like the fun fact for some people that may not know, but the surviving members of Joy Division end up becoming New Order and they have a pretty sort of like a Foo Fighters kind of career of their own. Performing to this day. I mean, Peter Hook is not in the band anymore, but something called New Order is still performing. And one additional comment, this sort of almost ties to some of the stuff with Tupac and Biggie. It really seems like the last five years, especially, the Joy Division brand is appearing lots of places,

specifically the album cover for their first album unknown pleasures the pulse whip you see on a lot of t-shirts you see it like almost like urban outfitters yeah i was gonna say that's like you know it's uh it's uh the bubblegum hipster movement yeah like i'd be curious to just know who owns the ip there because clearly it's been sold or perhaps used in an unauthorized fashion but you do see that that, again, that Paul Swift from the first Joy Division album everywhere. By the way, the song is listed as being one of the five best indie songs of all time in the all-time indie top 50. Right up there with Rosie and Gray from Lowest to the Low, I believe. Of course. right right up there with rosy and gray from lowest to the low i believe of course but i think slam dunk choice i mean we all picked it that's the only song we all picked uh well i think that

if i was ever going to be spiking the ball in the end zone uh for a victory this is probably that was probably it but i was gonna say one final this this was also a very iconic cfny spirit of radio jam every retro night was a staple and you know the the call-in show the sunday morning where i'll request breakfast all these shows read here cause some of the older tracks does the message of the song and like i i mean i could be misinterpreting it but like sort of like listening to the song is it sort of like a when harry met sally sort of lesson here where they were really great as friends but as soon as they love entered the equation that's what tore them apart is that is that sort of what the message everybody's gotten out of that or is that i'll have what she's having yeah yeah i i feel like he

in curtis i think had a very fatalistic view of the world I think a lot of his lyrics were inspired by literature um I remember his widow wrote a book touching from a distance that I read many many years ago so to be honest I don't recall sort of her views on it but yeah according to my uh my according to my research to quote a magic school bus character that I did not voice according to my research, he was heavily influenced by Iggy Pop. I think supposedly the Iggy Pop album, The Idiot, was on his turntable when he was found hanging from the ceiling. Is that true? Yeah.

Supposedly. I mean, it's hard to say. We never want to say definitively because it's hard to say like we never want to say definitively because it's hard to know well you weren't there I wasn't there much like Alan Cross

you weren't there now I just want when you mentioned the CFNY staples I hope you weren't there if you were there then maybe they need to reopen the case

you would have been very very young like what are you doing you're a baby come on I just want the other song that would be right

alongside this in the old classic Spirit Radio CFY thing would be How Soon Is Now? Like you got your, you know, those two, bang, bang. Okay. I just want to just like close up shop on it, like pack the suitcase completely on this.

And obviously if anybody who is listening is having these sort of dark sort of thoughts themselves, they should definitely reach out and don't be shy to reach out for help. It's never been more mainstream and not judgment. Like no one's throwing judgment on people who are going through mental health stuff. You don't have to hide in the shadows. It has become very, very blase to,

to mainstream in all the best ways. Yeah. So, so, so if you are listening and you are going through some stuff, definitely do not hesitate to reach out for help. There are plenty of resources to do so. If family and friends aren't cutting it, you should definitely not do as some of these artists you've heard of done because the world needs you more than,

than you realize. Well, well put. It's almost like he sampled himself on this song. A little bit. Well, it gave me all kinds of warnings To save me from ruin The working class hero himself. When I say that I'm okay

Well, they look at me kind of strange Surely you're not happy now You no longer play the game People say I'm lazy I always think of Tom Petty. What did he say? He said, don't bore us, get to the chorus. But we'll come back to that.

Okay, so I chose from the album Double Fantasy. I chose John Lennon's Watching the Wheels. And when he does get to the chorus, I am going to turn it up because it takes a long time to get there. But I remember this song as a kid, as a hit. And, of course, it was released posthumously. I think he literally, he literally finished recording this thing days before he was shot. Outside his apartment here it comes, I think.

I'm just sitting here watching the wheels go round and round I really love to watch them roll No longer riding on the merry-go-round I just had to let it go And there's a lot of great jams on this album. Like, Woman is on this album. It also sounds like there's like 70 jams put into this one song it sounds like so many different Beatles and John Lennon songs all put in one

the piano is very reminiscent of what you might hear on Imagine for example yes I was going to say also Oasis Don't Look Back in Anger clearly they were taking notes on that one this album also has the

song he wrote for Sean, Beautiful Boy, which I always felt was a really sweet song. Beautiful, beautiful, darling boy, beautiful boy. So, John Lennon again, 40 years old, shot dead by a fan

he had just previously posed with. I don't know, signed his book? Signed his copy of Catcher in the Rye. I'm trying to remember all the details now, but, uh, 40 years old, gone too soon.

And then he's, what would he have, uh, done with his, the rest of his life? I was going to say, I feel like he was still going strong. I mean,

listen to this, he's 40 years old. Listen to this music. He's still very, it's still, he's still going strong. And John Lennon, arguably, and maybe not even arguably,

one of the most influential figures in the history of modern music, along with his cohorts, Paul and George and that other guy who played the drums. Richard! They, you know, John Lennon's still influencing people all these years later, right? Here's a question. I'm asking you guys a lot of questions today. This is good. Based on what you know of all those individuals you just named, do you think the Beatles ever would have gotten back together?

I would say probably not, but... I think eventually they might have had to. I think, you know... I remember Julian Lennon had a a little bit of a run after uh yeah yeah yes he did but uh yeah I mean there was I don't know if anyone's gonna play it but didn't there wasn't there a Beatles song that was released free as a bird yeah he is a bird I'm surprised that didn't get played I should have picked that well that that that was definitely a categories type thing for me like i assume someone would choose that yeah that's why i had to put fucking jay retard in well i still think i'm not gonna let you use that as a no

not off the hook free as a bird was a good song yeah it was fine it was fine it was a part of that anthology thing they put out back in i don don't know when that was, 2005. I mean, when you listen to Paul McCartney speak of John Lennon, he speaks very highly of him. I think, you know, I don't know how much Yoko Ono really was the thing that kind of tore them apart, but that's, by most accounts,

that's what happened. Well, here's my thing about this, if I may. Cam, do you want to go first, and then I'll... This is like a non sequitur, then Mike you go I was just gonna say it's sort of a weird shifts in the night because John Lennon and Ian Curtis died both in 1980 a few months apart so

obviously different generations so anyway as you know interesting I will say I did hear Paul eloquently speak about uh how close the song yesterday was to his heart because uh uh Paul McCartney wrote Yesterday on his own. Was it Yesterday? I hope I got the right song.

I think it was Yesterday. No, yeah. That's a Paul song, Yesterday, yeah. But I think he completely wrote it independently on his own, if you will. You know, they had that deal where it didn't matter who wrote the song. It was going to be credited to Lennon McCartney.

Everything was going to be credited to Lennon McCartney, even if Lennon had nothing to do with it. But for that particular song, I believe that the Lennon McCartney, even if Lennon had nothing to do with it. But for that particular song, I believe if the story goes that McCartney tells that he, he went to Yoko and asked for permission for just that song to switch it to McCartney Lennon. Okay. So the deal was everything's Lennon McCartney equal billing,

but I guess that's alphabetical. And he asked, could it be McCartney Lennon? Because that song was so close to his heart that he, he wrote and performed on his own, et cetera yoko said no this is the story paul uh paul mccartney tells so i hear stories like that and i just that seems like a very difficult business thing that i have trouble uh understanding and i don't pretend to know every all the players yeah i i saw hmm that's interesting i didn't know to know all the players. Yeah, I saw, hmm, that's interesting.

I didn't know that that was the straw. Not the straw. That's not the straw. That's simply a story that I heard Paul McCartney tell. Because I'm sure that there's songs that John Lennon wrote more of that, you know, I feel like sort of a... Yes, but because of Alphabet, it was always going to be Lennon-McCartney was going to be the credit.

No, no, no. I'm saying that I'm sure there are songs where McCartney got credit where Lennon did that. No, he wasn't trying to remove Lennon's credit. The money was going to be the same. It was simply he wanted it printed, I guess, or somehow. He wanted McCartney-Lennon. It wouldn't change any money. It wouldn't change any money. I mean, McCartney has a history of sort of getting screwed in these sort of instances.

You know, famously, when he teamed up for a couple of songs with Michael Jackson in the 80s and had mentioned to him in passing that the Beatles catalog was going to be up for grabs, and Michael went behind his back and bought it. Right. You know, McCartney sort of is like one of, I feel like he's like the nice guy of rock. And his second wife, he got kind of taken by his second wife. Yeah, I feel like he's sort of like the nice guy of rock. I saw something with him and James Corden where McCartney was like crashing karaoke bars and in just performing live in, uh, Liverpool,

I believe it was, but, uh, he still seems like just a humble, really kind of, you know, that might not be how he, who he really is,

but the persona that I get from him is that he seems to be this really humble, super nice guy that, uh, had, you know, success didn't really change him. But I could, you know, I could be wrong.

Sure, sure. We do a lot of speculation on this program. I'm worried about the time. We each have another jam to go. I feel like we can't let you have anything really pertinent you want to spit out there before I play. John Lennon, rest in peace. Without a doubt.

This is Cam's Final Jam on Pandemic Fridays. She lies in a bedpan With her name scrawled on her back It sure sounds funny when you say his name like that He lies

in an empty room with his hair burned to the back It sure sounds funny when you say his name like that Send me off to the morgue, I'm ready to be buried All the way down in my bed, bed And I'm alone without the sun

Without the sun Ship me off to the morgue I'm ready to be buried All the way down in my begging bed Anyone on the call, do you remember this? This was a song that got played on CFNY back in the mid-90s. I vaguely remember this. Yeah, so this is the band Four Squirrels and the song The Mighty

KC about Kurt Cobain. Again, you know, there's another Nirvana reference today. It won't be the last. Spoiler. It won't be the last, okay. So, obviously, you know, there's been a number of songs

that have referenced Kurt Cobain over the years, including... Ironically, you picked everybody that references Kurt Cobain except Kurt Cobain. Well, yeah. Well, again, it's a bit of a categories philosophy with that. But anyway, this band, Four Squirrels, again, sort of a one-hit wonder. And this was, I'd like say probably a minor hit but a majority of the members of this band actually passed away in an auto accident back in 1995 they're on their way to New York City this band was from Florida and and sort of has almost that sound that morphed

into remember that like all those sort of like almost like the creed in days of the new all those sorts of bands right has a bit of that sound but yeah they were driving up to new york to perform in the cmg uh music marathon which is kind of like the what's to say the canadian music week of new york more like the canadian music week is the cmg of canada um and yeah big auto accident that killed three of the members and this song came out after the fact and got some modern rock radio play by the band for squirrels who then did sort of get, try to pull it back together. Surviving members through and some other people went on tour.

I seem to remember this band playing in Toronto or a version of this band, but yeah, kind of a band, but yeah, kind of a band that was like done before they were just getting started. So again, sort of another tragic story here on pandemic Fridays. But again, I thought maybe for a lot of the Toronto Mike listeners would be one of those.

Oh yeah. That song moment. I know I've played a lot of really famous songs. I would say that the only thing more sort of eye-opening and tragic than these stories is Cam's selections. Oh. I'm just kidding. You know what? The thing that you got to love about Cam, he's not, this is the same guy that,

that, you know, I was, you know, was one of my best friends growing up. This is the same guy. He's always

sort of, uh, doesn't, he's, this category, he lives by that rule in life, this category's rule. It's not just for Pandemic Friday.

So, I do appreciate when he sort of goes off the beaten path, uh, you know, when he takes, uh, Cake beaten path. When he takes Cakebread Park as a shortcut

instead of driving up Willowbrook. An actual place, a big Thornhill landmark, Cakebread Park. I don't know these references. I'm just saying, it's interesting. I'm never disappointed, let's say.

Cam always... Oh. Oh. Never disappoints me. it's interesting. It's, it's, I'm never disappointed. Let's say, uh, Kim always, uh, Oh, like, it's like, shame me. What I'm saying is I'm never disappointed by you that you will always make a selection that will cause me to yell at you and lash out at you.

Considerable duress. Okay. You, uh, it's, uh, you know, I appreciate you,

Kim. I can't did compliment i love you more than i love the songs you picked this week okay well well said well said once again you know i think uh stew i think you know i think you're you're right you're right about this uh you know i'm right you know i'm right cam i want you to say you know you're right okay i want to say wait wait but vps sales thumbs thumbs down. Do you remember that song? Yeah. Okay, that's a no.

Okay. Well, I'm sure he remembers this next one. I will never bother you. I will never bother you I will never promise to I will never follow you I will never bother you Never speak a word again Or I will crawl away for good I will move away from here

You won't be afraid of fear Nothing was put into this And I always knew it would come to this Things have never been so swell I have never found a well Hey! Hey! Well, it happened.

We finally played Kurt Cobain. After all of the teasing, Kurt Cobain, you know you're right. Stu knows he's right. Nirvana, posthumously, posthumously, the song came out in 2002 and was just as hard-hitting as it would have been if it came out when it was recorded. Nirvana, of course, you may disagree with me and all of the other sources that cite Nirvana

as one of the most iconic and influential rock bands, and him specifically, one of the most influential rock musicians in the history of alternative music. There's no denying Nirvana's contribution. And I know we spoke last week about who is the greatest American band. You know, Nirvana's got to be considered just due to the fact that, you know, maybe their music's not for you, but there's no denying how they literally changed the world. When I was listening to the lyrics to this song and the way kurt's melodies were it reminded me a lot of head uh who we've brought up before but it kind of

has that sort of seems like head was sort of channeling you know what i'm talking about yeah but nirvana came first of course i'm just saying that yeah yeah i'm not saying i'm saying that it seems like noah was maybe influenced by Kurt Cobain and his vocals on the second head record. Yeah, I hear it. I hear it. Yeah, I agree. But, you know, a couple of facts about Kurt Cobain, of course, controversy surrounding his death. Did he kill himself? Was he killed? You know, most would believe that he did kill himself and took his own life but there's a compelling evidence that say that may have not been the case well you know another instance of a guy that might be leaving a situation and people wanting to sort of hang on to their rights

i don't know if that's true and i'm not there's no evidence there's no evidence no i'm saying there's a compelling case there's a documentary that was put out that sort of made a sort of a compelling case for the theory that maybe he didn't do it. Courtney loves dad, Hank Harrison, and I feel like I feel like I'm just repeating myself a lot today, but Courtney loves dad, Hank Harrison. When I was at McMaster

in the late 90s, I actually was on a speaking tour and did an evening with Hank Harrison under the moniker that was Kurt Cobain murdered. That was actually booked by McMaster University. Well, they say that, you know, he was left-handed. It was found in his right hand and the shelling, like there was no way that he could have actually pulled the trigger unless he was with his toe.

There was like a lot of that type of stuff. Anyway, speaking of Courtney Love, there was lawsuits involving this song. This song almost never came out the band sort of famously were in a lawsuit with Courtney Love because the band wanted to include this song as part of a box set of all the Nirvana collection and Courtney Love thought this is too big of a single and it should be released on just a single CD, a single collection, not a box set. And she ended up winning that, that argument. And the song was finally released. And it's interesting.

This is the last song the band recorded before Cobain died. And it's also the most successful charted song that they've ever had, which is really, really strange to me. This was their fifth song to reach number one. If I may, if I may. Yeah, I believe that's due to Billboard rules regarding what's a single. Like, I believe songs like Smells Like Teen Spirit were ineligible for Billboard, I think. And you'll correct me if I'm wrong, but I think they had a rule where if it was only

on an album, it was ineligible. You had to release it. No, no, no. Smells Like Teen Spirit was definitely a single. This song was the band's fifth song to reach number one on the Billboard Modern Rock chart, but it remained on the chart for four consecutive weeks, the longest

of any Nirvana song. Okay, I stand corrected. So this was number one for a month, whereas Teen Spirit probably ping-ponged with red hot chili peppers on the fridge or something like that. What year? Is this like early 2000s? 2002 it came out. 2002, right.

Okay, fun fact. And speaking of Courtney Love. Well, okay, but let me do my fun fact first, and then repeat that exact line, okay? And I'll fix it in post but which i will never do but no you won't no i won't i was gonna say fun fact uh toronto mic.com which predates this podcast and was started in 2002 the very first entry i wrote for my my new blog toronto Mike.com again, November, 2002 was about how the top five songs on the CFNY Thursday on the edge one, one Oh 2.1, the edge Thursday 30 were all by artists that were big in the early

nineties. Like I think we in there and I have to go back to the entry, but I talked about this song was in the charts, a Pearl jam song, I believe a U22 song and i think maybe a red hot chili pepper song and something else beastie boys or something bottom line i'll just say as stu you know as he just gave me that wonderful compliment about 10 minutes ago that i'm nothing if not consistent like i will say that is the most on-brand first ever blog post at truck mic.com ever because i still feel like that topic would be something would not be out of place on pandemic Fridays no and uh just getting back to Nirvana for a second to see if and why that's how most of us uh were introduced to Nirvana if not from MTV

if you had a satellite feed to get MTV uh but uh boy oh boy man you can't say enough I remember hearing this song for the first time and sort of maybe some people echo but this is like the single that from Nirvana that we needed at the time you know it's like it's so refreshing that their music still stands up and still holds up you could put on that Nevermind album and just hit play and you will hear music that would still be as popular today as it was then. Maybe not as far, you know, maybe, maybe not. But I'm saying it still hits as hard as it did. It does not sound dated. It doesn't sound dated.

It just sounds now. And what a band. And obviously, the Foo Fighters spawned from Nirvana have had an even bigger run, arguably. So that just goes to show you that they're not just some three-chord grunge band. Dave Grohl is looking like a fucking genius. These are really talented musicians, and they really mastered their sound and channeled what they were going for and knew who they were. They didn't sell out. Even when they did sell out, they did it in a way

where they weren't selling out. You got to love Nirvana. If you don't, that's your prerogative. Speaking of Courtney Love, every week I play a song and I always do a callback for my buddy in Our Lady Peace. Here is something that might blow some people's minds,

but the song that we just heard right now was originally released by Courtney Love and Hole. Where? You're hearing it right now. Back in 1995, Courtney Love and Hole released this song. Oh, yeah. Actually, I think I have heard this. I would never bother you.

I would never promise to. I would never bother you. I would never promise to. If I say that word again, I won't move away promise you. If I say that word. I won't move away from you. I won't be afraid of you. You know, interestingly enough, and sort of ties into the Joy Division song

and the Paul McCartney conversation, you know. I won't be afraid of you. But interestingly enough, the song Love Will Tear Us Apart, which was written about his divorce with his wife, people say that this Nirvana song was Kurt Cobain writing a song about breaking up with Courtney Love,

and here she is covering it a year after his death. I don't know if she was aware of that, but that's sort of what has come out about the song, that it was written about him wanting to leave her. Interesting. Interesting, yeah. And I think they played this at the, the whole had an MTV Unplugged performance

when they played this. Wow, okay. I'm just reading now, quickly catching up. I just thought this song had almost like a vaguely gothic undertone. It's very menacing sounding. Especially the whole version.

Courtney seems like she's channeling Suzy Sue or something. I feel like when we were in high school, we paid respect to the bands that came before our generation. You'd see kids walking around with Led Zeppelin t-shirts. You'd see kids walking around with Grateful Dead t-shirts and

whatever the like. But do you see kids wearing Nirvana and Pearl Jam t-shirts? And if not, why aren't they? I'd say Nirvana, yes. Like, I'd see Billie Eilish wearing Nirvana t-shirts and stuff. Right. Pearl Jam, probably less so. You see, like, basically it's like Nirvana and Wu-Tang Clan seem to be the two 90s acts

that have, like, survived the test of time for brands. But it's like Led Zeppelin, the Swan Song t-shirt, everybody sort of had that. And, like, there was, like, a Kiss t-shirt that you saw certain kids wear. But, you know, I feel like my... I speak to people who are in their 20s they don't even know they can't name a nirvana song yeah but like it's disgusting but you do see like tupac and like biggie merchandise i was gonna say everywhere still like those are like legacy artists too but my point is like like you ask like there's this guy i know named kim not

you obviously but another guy named kim who might be listening to the show so shout out to slow jam kim he doesn't know any nirvana songs how is that possible how can you like it's like just because they weren't around when you like i knew who the beatles were how do you not know like there's artists that there's artists that i've gone in the studio with that are artists that i'm like trying you know producing demos with them that don't know nirvana songs i'm like how can you call yourself a musician and you don't know nirvana like do your fucking research how can you call yourself a musician and you don't know Nirvana? Like, do your fucking research. Who was it? Was it Billie Eilish

got flamed because she said on Jimmy Kimmel that she didn't know Van Halen? Was that a thing? That was like a Twitter thing for five seconds?

Yeah. And she should know Van Halen. But I feel like kids should know Nirvana. They should. I'm about to play my final jam. We're a bit in overtime here.

I'm going to play the final jam. It's one of my favorite here. I'm going to play the final jam. It's one of my favorite songs of all time. Just to finish that thought, though, in this day and age, it's far more difficult to stumble upon music that you're not seeking. I know with my son that he can kind of live in a world, an on-demand universe where he never, you know, we talked about our top 40 CFTR

or The Hog or whatever, and you'd hear a Def Leppard song, and then the very next song might be... Jordy. Right. But bottom line is completely different genres are smashed. Young MC might be the next song, and then you might

hear Bon Jovi, whatever. It's all smashed together. You would stumble upon different stuff i feel i can't i can't deny this fact though when i did when i was searching for my jams i'm still honorable mention to bob marley who buffalo soldier by the way was released post-death and it's one of his most famous songs but anyway i want to say that when i push push play and listen to this nirvana song for the first time since, in years, it hit me in sort of an emotional way, just because it made me think of my own, like, holy shit, where's the time go? This is already almost a 20-year-old song. How could that be? And, you know, you watch the video that accompanies this song, and you just see how much potential Nirvana still had

when he died. It's just, it's a sad thing. And I think this topic in general has been reflectively sad, but obviously the bitter, the bittersweet thing out of this whole topic is that the music for the most part, with the exception of some of Cam's selections, the music, the music has lived on and the artists legacies have lived on through the, through these songs. And, you know, it's very rare that an artist's best songs are released posthumously. And I would say that none of the songs necessarily that we played were the artist's best songs.

Maybe Sam Cooke, arguably, but, you know, it's still... Joy Division. Arguably Joy Division. Joy Division, you could argue. Yeah. Yeah, Joy Division. Sure, sure. So basically songs I picked, so. Sublime's what I got.

Come on. That's a jam right there. Come on, Jay Retard's Nirvana cover. I still can't believe that that even made the list. Are you ready for the final jam of this Pandemic Friday? Yes. Okay. This is a post-humans release. Wow. I almost don't want to talk over it

much like the Sam Cooke jam it's just gorgeous and I love it Sitting on the Dock of the Bay by Otis Redding he recorded this days before he died in a plane crash which seems like

this song would have been sort of like a throwback for him stylistically because he was already really heavily into some sort of harder hitting stuff at this point in his career this seems like sort of a throwback to his early releases I was going to say this is a real departure when you look at, you know, a lot of his other well-known.

But again, you're talking about a guy as if he had, you know, 20 years of recording. No, but it just feels like that, right? He was 26 years old when he died in that plane crash. Well, I think he was sort of becoming like this. It's almost crazy to say this in retrospect because he's just such a again another great legacy artist but he was sort of becoming like a crossover artist where he's

playing at the Monterey Pop Festival with Mamas and the Papas Janis Joplin was there I bet yeah like Simon Garfunkel it's just weird to think he would be sort of a genre-specific artist because you look at his, he's just, I don't know,

these songs have just become such a big part of, like, the culture, like the popular music culture. Obviously, the legacy of O's writing is huge. Here's a fun fact about this song. It is the very first posthumous single to top the Billboard Hot 100 charts. Otis Redding, yeah, again,

and I'm a bit bummed out too. I need to go for a bike ride and clear my head, but when I hear about these ages of these artists that have died and the material that they had already released and you hear Otis Redding in a plane crash at 26. Like what would he have created over the next 10, 20 years of his life that we never get to hear?

Well, a near miss on my list was putting some of the Johnny Cash stuff from his, kind of his Rick Rubin years, the ones that came out after his death, he would have by far been the oldest artist on the list, I believe. Everything's just like tragically young. No room for that when you're putting a great Jay Retard song in the mix. Last week's song I picked, of course, The Bee Gees Gym, was written for Mr. Otis Redding.

Never got to perform it. But boy written for Mr. Otis Redding. Never got to perform it. But boy, oh boy, Otis Redding. If you guys are looking for something to do, dig into Otis Redding, and you will be blown away by what you hear. Or just the, what was the Kanye West, Jay-Z, put on some Otis. Yeah, just Otis. Otis. And that brings us to the end of our 655th show.

The first Pandemic Friday with Stu Stone and Cam Gordon was episode 600. And here we are still in lockdown and we just recorded episode 655. Rest in peace to all of the artists that we played, even Cam's selections. Rest in peace to all of the artists that we played, even Cam Selections. Rest in peace to all of them. Even Jay Retard. Yes,

I won't say it, but rest in peace to him as well. And hopefully we'll be joined by Tim again in the future. I don't know what happened to him, but VP of Sales, another fine outing. Yeah, some good contributions. Cam and Mike, I look forward, you know, these Fridays come really fast.

So you blink and it's Friday again. Who's picking the next topic? Whose turn is it? Cam. Yeah, because I was toys and tods, or teens and tods. Right, okay. And next time, Stu,

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