Toronto Mike'd: The Official Toronto Mike Podcast - Rip-Off: Toronto Mike'd #765

Episode Date: December 7, 2020

Mike chats with Peter Gross about Rip-Off, Donald Shebib's follow-up to Goin' Down the Road. Don't miss this deep dive you didn't know you needed.

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but didn't know to ask. Peter Gross. It was very dramatic. Welcome back, Peter. How are you doing, buddy? I'm good. Right off the beginning, you said that Toronto Mike is a podcast about everything and anything. Correct.

So this isn't about everything, but it's a little bit about anything. Look, I'm sold. Okay, so we're going to dive deep into the world of rip-off, and that means telling people what the hell rip-off is. But off the top, I have a few housekeeping items for you, okay? Sure. Firstly, you brought your bodyguard with you today. He's also your personal driver. Why are you not able to drive yourself to my... My son Roger drove me here.

As you know, I had a massive hemorrhage in the summer. A stroke. A catastrophic stroke. And at the time when they threw me out of the hospital and said, you know, this is a hospital for really sick people. You don't belong here. They said, don't drive for a month. Okay. Because you've had a TIA, which is a transient ischemic attack in your occipital lobe, which concerns eyesight.

So I didn't drive for a month. Roger drove me around. Roger, my son who's here now. And, uh, then I get a call a few weeks ago from a doctor said, are you driving?

I said, yes, I am. He says, well, you shouldn't be. I said, well,

that wasn't the instructions I had. He ended up, uh, uh, transmitting the information to the department of transportation. I got a message two weeks ago from from transportation saying you can't drive until you're clear to do so i've had all of the tests i've passed all the tests my doctor has sent anyways i have to wait so you have to wait yeah for something or other before you can drive

yourself so you got a driver okay so welcome roger that heater uh on the table if you i don't know if you want to gently move it for roger to use it he looks colder than you but uh just yeah just try not yeah yeah and then i know it angles up so roger maybe you even want to use it. He looks colder than you, but just, yeah, just try not, yeah, yeah. And then I know it angles up, so, Roger, maybe you even want to put it on the ground or something. But if you need it, it's there. I think it's generating heat. It is. It's not bad.

What are you going to do in February? I don't know, my friend. There's no blueprint for this, but this is as cold as I think we can record. What would you say the wind chill temperature is right now? You know, like walking from the car, for some reason you've got more wind going in the back. It may be minus.

Well, there's a lake effect. Minus two, minus three. Come on. Oh yeah, okay. I thought maybe that's the real temp. This would be tragic in Florida. Okay, yes. In Canada, spring's on the way. Spring is on the way. Alright, some housekeeping uh questions for you firstly are you aware the man the legend himself who credits you with starting his

mainstream media career the great FOTM Mike Wilner uh is no longer with Sportsnet yeah and and and the narrative about that is why um the guy was so good, and there's nobody, and I'm not exaggerating, there's nobody in this market knows as much about baseball as Mike Willner. Right. Especially Blue Jays baseball. And it was a very strange message from Rodgers saying that we've parted company with Mike Willner, and then they went on to praise him and saying he was identified by everyone with uh you know toronto blue jays baseball he's the only locally born guy to call blue jays baseball he was terrific at it he was

passionate he got a little bit excited in the bottom of the second inning in the second game of spring training when a guy hit a home run but that's passion he's got yeah um so it's a bit of a mystery and until you get uh a friend of the podcast, Mike Wilner here. FOTM, Mike Wilner. Yeah, friend of FOTM. What's his name? Yeah, friend of Toronto Mike. That's close enough.

I'm going to cut you some slack. Because you had a stroke, so we're going to cut you some slack. Yeah, so we need to find out from him what happened there. But regardless, it's sad news, right? We had him here for decades. And you, again, I can't reiterate this enough, that you're the man he credits with all of this. Like, he lived his dream because of you.

Partly because of me. I think he lived his dream because he's an extremely bright guy. One of, possibly the brightest guy I've ever met in media. When I was the sports director at 680 News in 1993, he started phoning in reports from the University of Toronto. And normally those would really suck, but they were excellent. And I remember thinking, this is way higher than you'd expect quality-wise. And I phoned him.

I had to phone him because he's got a little bit of a lazy side. He likes to sleep in. Yeah. And I said to him, you had to phone him because he's got a little bit of a lazy side. He likes to sleep in. Yeah. And I said to him, you need to come down here and audition. And he worked for several years doing the sportscast for 680 News. I went in one morning. I need a script. I have no script this morning.

So you'll just see me wander off into the atmosphere. I got you. Lose my train of thought. Not be able to finish sentences. Roger will fill in. But so I went in to see him one morning and on his computer, all he had was, he had a page for Major

League Baseball, a page for the American League, the National League, the PGA, the LPGA, a couple other things. And he just kept shifting. You know, hitting the keyboard, going from one to the other. No script at all. But it sounded as if he had a script. So again, one of the brightest guys I've ever run into. Well, cream always rises and sometimes they skim the cream off the top.

That's what happened here. You can use that, but you know what that's like. It's a mystery. Well, no one knows the real story of how Peter Gross was fired from 680 News unless they listen to Toronto Mike. You talk about reiterating. You brought that up a hundred times. You just brought it up.

I was just saying, you know what it's like to be let go by Rogers after many, many good years of service. Okay. So Mike Wilner, shout out to Mike Wilner. I want to read another question. I've been holding onto this one for a long time and I keep forgetting to ask

you, and I can't even remember who was asking this question. So I'm going to read it verbatim. So standby. Peter Gross. Actually, it's for me. It's not for peter gross it's for me i don't know if you're planning another interview with peter gross i'm always planning another interview with peter gross but if you are could you please ask him

about bill cameron one of my favorite things about early 80s tv was city pulse at 10 and watching the banter between Gross and the very witty but seemingly straight-laced Cameron, which was far looser and much more amusing than the pretty scripted and tight interchanges

on City Pulse at 6. One night, Gross was on after having just one big at the track. Whoa. Cameron asks Gross, what's it like to win $10,000 or whatever it was at the track? And Gross replied, have you ever made love with a stunningly beautiful woman? I can't remember

how Cameron got out of that, but the look on his face was priceless. And you can tell he was thinking, I'm going to get you for this. So talk for a moment, if you will, Peter Gross about Bill Cameron. I don't remember that anecdote, but I'm sure it's true. Bill Cameron was a lovely, lovely man. His funeral is possibly the saddest event I've ever attended. He died of throat cancer in the 60s. But the anecdote that I remember most fondly about Bill Cameroneron there was a heavyweight fight one monday night um between oh god i can't even tell you who it's between but um and we used to come on after the monday night football city tv used to run the monday night football so we'd come on at 12 30 quarter to one and i and anyone out there was watching us with either drunk or stoned and i

wasn't allowed to use video from the fight so what i did is i painted a face on a paper bag and stuffed it with paper and then to show what happened i said i used my right hand my right hand to so-and-so and i started beating the crap out of this paper bag with the other fighter's face on it and the director wisely cut to a side shot of me with bill cameron watching in the background with this look of stern lack of appreciation. And that was Bill Cameron performing. That was not Bill Cameron saying,

um, I don't want to be working with this idiot. That was Bill Cameron, uh, pretending to be, uh, a really, a really stuffed shirt.

And it was one of the funniest, most memorable moments of my entire television career. And, and then as soon as they as the cameras went off, he turned to me and he went, that was good TV. You know, I remember him well also from his CBLT years,

which was following City TV. And I always thought he was excellent as well. And he was a great loss. We lost him too soon. But there's another gentleman we lost too soon I need to ask you about. Because yesterday was the 10th anniversary of the passing of the voice mark

daly so here we are 10 years and one day later everywhere yeah what can you tell us about uh i know we've i've asked you this probably a hundred times but maybe again since it's the 10-year anniversary what was it like working with mark daly all those years oh he, he was a circus unto himself. Um, he had a million stories. Um, very, very Gallagher-esque, very John Gallagher-esque. Here's my next question. Yeah, yeah. Some of this, I mean, he claimed to have been at Kent State when, uh, the, the, the people fired on the students.

Right. He claimed to have been at the, uh, assassination of Kennedy, uh, whatever. He claimed to have been at the assassination of Kennedy, whatever. But the thing that stands out about Mark Daly was the rapport between him and Catherine Humphreys on the 10 o'clock show. It was fabulous stuff. Talk about being unscripted, but natural and endearing. And he was just an all-round guy with a great sense of humor, a people's person. He wasn't a stuffed shirt.

And that was the second saddest funeral. I bet. Strangely, it wasn't as sad as Bill Cameron's. I can't explain why. But it was massive. I mean, you know, the chief of police was there. The police loved Mark Daly. Right. And by the way,

there was at least a dozen consecutive times that I got pulled over for speeding or violating a stop sign or driving over a nun and the police said, Peter Gross, City TV,

Mark Daly, carry on. Oh my gosh. Yeah. Does that still work? I have like a City TV everywhere hat or something. I think that if you get caught

and say, I interviewed Peter Gross this morning, they'll just give you the ticket. Because I don't drive much anymore, I haven't had a moving violation in quite some time. I drove the family to Prince Edward Island like four or five years ago, and I got two speeding tickets on that road trip. But I haven't had one since, so knock on the wood. I won't need to drop the name Mark Dale.

Is that wood? I don't know. Just knock on the wood. I won't need to drop the name Mark Dale. Is that wood? I don't know. Just knock on your head. Okay, last non-rip-off segment is the Gordster, and many others, by the way, but Gordster on Twitter wants to know, is there a John Gallagher update? I get notes from people like Gordster

who miss Gallagher and Gross save the world. What the heck? This pandemic has been going on for 10 months. What does it take to get John Gallagher and Peter Gross in my backyard to record? Possibly a high-powered rifle or a kidnapping of his dog. That would be my first suggestion. Okay, well, you're just kidding, right, Peter? I have to alert the authorities.

Oh, okay, okay. Gallagher's hard to pin down. You will see him virtually every morning if you go on Facebook because I'll have a picture with a famous person right because that's what he did through his career he was the original selfie and so he every time someone has a birthday there's a picture of him with that um it's it's just been very difficult to uh get gallagher to be in the same room all right my friend here we're going to start our uh deep dive into the film ripoff. And I thought I'd play a little music as just to warm us up.

Cause I have a feeling you have to kind of go back. I'm guessing that this is your show. I'm not trying to hijack it here, but you probably have to go back and talk a little bit about another movie. Yeah. That's a good place to start. We'll give Tom a few moments and I'll bring it down here. All right.

This is, of course, To It and At It from Stompin' Tom Connors, which not only can be found in Going Down the Road, but it's also in the wonderful SCTV parody. But take over, Peter. Okay, Going Down the Road, possibly the greatest Canadian film ever made, certainly in the top three, four, five. Don Shabib made this film with nickels and dimes,

shot it on 16mm. If you've never seen it, it's a real gripping, crushing, emotional story about two guys from the East Coast who come to Toronto looking for all those

lawyering and doctoring jobs. Right. And it kind of moves its way towards a quasi- ending it's it's really it's it's a very heavy very dramatic really really brilliantly done movie won all kinds of awards cost about 75 000 the story is that shabib to finance the final print had to sell his morgan sports car so he makes this movie that everyone loves everyone sees he's a master filmmaker a fellow named bennett fody who fashioned himself as a film producer says to shabib here's 250

thousand dollars make me a movie about kids and drugs and sex so um shabib liked the story idea he liked doing a story on the the status of uh teenagers at the time but fody wanted the film made in a very short period of time and uh as we'll carry on discuss this and we've got clips of okay so let me set let me just reiterate this again that's the word of the day reiterated you didn't like the way i described it i'm gonna just hammer it home here so his first movie the first movie and you said donald shabib uh and I was told it was Shabib. Do you know what the... I go with Shabib.

Okay. Well... Where'd you get Shabib? I said, Peter, I said, Peter, I said Donald Shabib to my friend Stu Stone, and he said, it's Shabib. Well, when you get him on the Toronto mic, he'll ask. That's right. And for the record, he is willing, he might be in this backyard in the spring, right?

Because he's not far from here. So Donald Shabib, we will hear from him today because you've got some great exclusive interviews with Donald. I'll call him Shabib. You call him Shabib. And then we'll cut, one of us will be correct. I think that's the way we'll go. So he makes Going Down the Road.

It's his first movie, Donald Shabib. It's like you said. It's not strictly his first movie, but it's his first feature film. First, I meant, okay, first feature film. And now he's going to make the follow-up to Going Down the Road. And this is like a coming-of-age teen. No, no, don't call it the follow-up to Going Down the Road. Because he did make a follow-up to Going Down the Road.

It was just his next movie. But that's what follow-up, that's like the follow-up means your next movie. Oh, follow-up suggests that it's attached. No, that's a sequel. Ah. Okay, the movie he makes after Going Down the Road,

which is a big deal, and just a big deal, is the movie Ripoff, and you've told us now, somebody, who's the person who said, here's $250,000, go make this thing?

Bennett Fody. Okay, and it's 250,000, go make this. Then at 40. Okay. And it sounds like they had time constraints on this. It's like, make it, but make it quickly. Yeah. So if you compare going down the road to rip off, going down the road was a terrific idea that your bib had a lot of time to execute. Rip off was a movie in which he had the money first.

Here's the money. Make a film as opposed to, I've got a great idea. Can I scrape had the money first here's the money make a film as opposed to i've got a great idea can i scrape up the money uh okay so my situation was i was in film and theater at york university and i had participated in a uh theater company that summer called commedia dell'arte commedia 70 if you know what commedia dell'arte is, it's from the French 16th century touring, uh, Comedia, uh, slapstick kind of comedy. And we would pull up in parks and,

and build our own stage and perform. And I was working with a fellow named Stephen Whitkin, who to this day is possibly the most creative force I've ever met in my life. He's produced Broadway shows and written all kinds of television specials. And, um, he said to me, we have to get ourselves an agent.

I thought, oh, this will be fun. We went up and down Yonge Street. We had a scrap of paper with the names of agents. And one by one, they threw us out of their offices. But a guy named Laurie Rotenberg had just started a talent agency called Characters. And he was taking everybody. So we signed on.

And shortly after that, every person who'd signed with an agency in Toronto who was under 20 got called to audition for Don Shabib's next film. And that was very exciting for me. Sure, because going down the road was such a success. Well, my point of view there was, when the movie comes out, I'm going to brag that I met the director. But I show up, and instead of the director, there's this pudgy guy in a blue jean jumpsuit with a big red beard. And I was very disappointed,

and I'm sure I was like a ridiculous asshole. And it was Don Shabib, of course. He was looking for an immature idiot. And they called me back about seven times, so much so that I withdrew from film and theater at York University university went off um went off to england in early december on a two-week uh trip with with the uh the drama class at york university 250 dollars returned to england to watch uh theater in england okay and i remember

phoning my mother almost every day did you be called did you be called did you be okay and i remember phoning my mother almost every day did shabib call did shabib call did shabib call and i come home and uh i phoned him this never happens by the way i phoned on shabib and said what can you tell me and i remember him saying well i guess you could say you got the part you never find out that way wow so that's how I got the part in Ripoff. And what's the role you got? There were four teenage boys ostensibly in Don Mills. We shot it at George Henry and Don Mills Collegiate, those two schools. Okay. And they're typical 70 kids. For lack of a better phrase, trying hard to be groovy.

At one point in the movie, and I think we're going to run a scene from it, they form a rock band. It's terrible, of course. And then the gist of the story is that the lead, who's played by Don Scardino, who's carved out a fantastic career for himself, by the way, inherits a piece of land way up in Sudbury, and then they decide that they're going to start their own commune. And, of course, they go up north and realize they have no skills whatsoever to do that and come home and face reality. So that's pretty well the plot of Ripoff. Okay, now, are you ready for the first clip, or did you want to set it up further?

Well, okay. Early on in the movie um the four boys are at a concert that was filmed at toronto old toronto city hall and the lead actor who is don scardino who's produced multiple 30 rock episodes by the way um so he runs into these cute girls from the high school and he invites them to come listen to the guy's rock group uh called arctic madness uh and the spoiler alert here is that the group is really bad so play that clip maybe you and your girlfriends would like to come down here oh well i don't know about that i mean it's okay we got a car and everything will drive you well okay why not oh terrific

all right uh we'll meet you later by the fountain, okay? Okay I'll see you later One, two, buckle my shoe My baby likes to iron holes in my shirt She likes to fill my back pocket with dirt She likes to kick me right redhead I don't know how much of this we can take.

Do you want me to bring it down and then bring it back up when the dialogue returns? The important thing is that I wrote this song called My Baby Loves Me Black. You wrote this song. Peter Gross wrote this song. And I signed over the rights to the film for a dollar and never got the dollar. Did you tell Donald that? No, I didn't. That would have been my first question.

Where's my fucking dollar? So wait, you wrote this song it's funny just last week we were kicking out jams from in that are live uh that exist in the universe of a song or a i mean a movie or a tv show this would have been perfect so are you on vocals here or no that that's mike kukulowicz who turned i met him in the film turned out to be one of my best friends he unfortunately died 20 years ago of leukemia. I'm sorry. He was actually possibly the most dynamic person in the film because he was just so uninhibited.

My approach to Ripoff was so seriously... Let's just hear the end of this because the girls are trying desperately to get away. Well, we still got a little bit of work left on that one. Why don't we do one of yours? Oh, yeah, you gotta hear one of mine. No, really, Michael, we really got a little bit of work left on that one. Why don't we do one of yours?

Oh, yeah, you gotta hear one of mine. No, really, Michael, we really have to go. It's been a lot of fun. We were supposed to be home a long time ago. Are you sure? Steve's written a whole lot of songs. We've got a whole refrigerator full of Coke, chips, Cheezies. That was me. Cheezies.

Wow. That was my line. It's been lots of fun. That's acting, don't you think? Yeah. Let me know every time we hear some Peter Gross. Bye. Bye.

We'll be talking to you. Bye. Bye. Man, was that ever rotten. Oh, I don't know. I thought it went over pretty good. It was awful, man. It just got up and left.

Wow. Okay, the three girls, by the way, Sue, Helen Petrie, Petunia Cameron Swayze, and Ann Lantek. Sue, Helen Petrie died several years ago, and I took Ann Lantek out, a very pretty girl, took Ann Lantek out to see Rod Stewart, took her to a Rod Stewart concert, but we just didn't quite hit it off. Okay, well. I gave it my best shot. How was Rod Stewart?

I think it was good. Okay, wow. Now I'm learning some of these actors and actresses are no longer with us. Wow. Okay, so that's Arctic Madness playing. I can't believe you wrote that song. I can't believe you signed away the rights for a dollar. Not a good business decision.

That could have been your royalty. My baby loves to run me down with her car. She loves to cover me with feathers and tar she smashed my fingers with a pickle jar and the name of that song is called uh love me black and blue my baby loves me black and blue it's got potential okay awesome uh okay so that's uh i got a second scene pulled from ripoff by the way how did you get these clips? Like, do you own Ripoff? Ripoff, you can find Ripoff on YouTube. Sometimes it takes

a little bit of work, but I was able to find the whole movie. Here's what I did some homework. I posted it on Facebook. I did some homework. It is difficult to find

because it was only released on VHS, but it was released under the title Virgin Territory. Virgin Territory. Try that. So Virgin Territory,

in the USs they didn't call this thing ripoff they called it virgin territory in the u.s seven people saw it how many bought the vhs okay but if you can find a vhs called virgin territory from what year again 1970 71 1971 uh that is a ripoff which we're speaking about today. Okay, set up the second clip for me, my friend. Okay, first of all, we smoked a lot of pot during, after, before, in between scenes. And it was a running theme in the movie. The characters are smoking joints because that was the thing in the 70s. So before math class, this is a scene with Don Scardino and myself in a bathroom at the school. We smoke a joint and then we go into math class and Scardino and myself in a bathroom at the school. We smoke a joint, and then we go into the math class,

and Scardino gets called to the front of the class to answer a math problem. Problem is, he's just a little bit high. Slope, huh? That's right, slope. Well, that's a pretty tough question. Not really. You took it up last year. Uh, well, I can't seem to get my head into it, you know. It's kind of hard for me to figure out, you know,

why a line would have points and, you know, slopes on it. Do you follow? Are you feeling all right? Oh, that's a beautiful question, man. I am feeling fine, man, really fine. Have you been smoking it up? Well, class, it looks like Mr. Duncan can't concentrate today. I think it might be better if he sat down.

Thank you, sir. Teacher can't teach if we're all out there So my character's name is Richie, just so you know. I don't want to see any more of this kind of thing.

Richard, come up here and do the question. Sir, well, you see, Mike and I, we were out at lunchtime, sir, and... What you couldn't see there was I had this ridiculous grin on my face. I've seen that grin. Amazing.

Okay, so a couple of great clips. So that gives us all a taste of this teenage coming of age, do we call it? Yeah, something. It was interesting because I think Bennett Fody said to Shabib, make me a movie like Summer of 42. Do you remember that wonderful movie, Summer of 42? Of course. And it isn't like Summer of 42 42 but at home in my scrapbook i've got

a review of ripoff by clyde gilmore okay and the headline yeah on and it's got a picture of the four of us standing in front of our our van that we drove up to the commune and the headline says, Shabib's quiet comedy better than Summer of 42. Wow. Which isn't true. Well, in his opinion, it was true. Where was the commune? Well, the commune was this broken-down equipment shed at the Summit Golf Course way up on Yonge Street in Richmond Hill,

but it was supposed to be Sudbury, like a four-hour drive. Now, as I'm putting down the film, there were some really wonderful, funny, funny scenes in the movie. And shortly after it came out, I snuck into the New Yorker Theater first week that it came out, and it was full. The theater was full. You know the New Yorker Theater on Yonge Street?

Yonge and what? Yonge and Wellesley,, Young and Charles Street area. How long has it been gone? Many years. I don't remember the New Yorker. But the theater was full. Okay. And I remember, I sat in the very last row, besides two elderly men, and I can swear to you,

they laughed so hard at scenes that you missed some dialogue. And I thought, I'm a huge movie actor. Yeah, it's a hit. And then it just kind of petered out. No pun intended. Yeah. It's Shabib doubt.

Now, I'm going to just drop a fun fact on everyone right now, because I think it's a fun fact. Before we hear from Donald Shabib, Shabib, tomato, tomato, great director regardless, that his son, better known maybe as 40, Noah Shabib, is a prominent, successful, commercially successful, and critically acclaimed producer with our very own Drizzy Drake. Here's an example of a song produced by Donald Shabib's son. Ready?

Noah. or 40. know that I don't play streets not safe but I never run away even when I'm away ot ot there's never much love when we go OT I pray to make it back in one piece I pray I pray that's why I need a one dance got a Hennessy in my hand one more time I go higher was taking a hold on me i need a one dance got a head i see in my head one more time for i go high up i was taking a hold on me okay a monster number one like we're talking number one on the billboard hot 100 global hit one dance produced by donald Shabib's son Noah. You've recently had conversations with Donald about Ripoff. Can you share with us, like, how proud is Donald of his son Noah? Oh, he's very proud. You've given me an idea, by the way.

I've got to contact Shabib again and say, can you get Noah to produce Love Me Black and Blue? I thought you were going to ask, the marijuana song needs a little rework. My baby likes to iron holes in my shirt. She says I look like Ethel Mertz. Have you seen lyrics like that? Your first question, though, should be Shabib or Shabib. That should be the first question.

It's Shabib. Why is Stu telling me it's Shabib? Did Stu work for eight months on a movie with him? He knows, he's familiar with Noah. Well, maybe the son calls himself Shabib. Okay, well, anyways. You've created a mystery. I'll fix it in post. Okay.

He's very proud. I got Donald on the phone last week and, you know, my reluctance was, geez, I'm phoning this famous filmmaker that I had some business with 50 years ago. By the way, the reason we're talking about this, it's been 50 years.

Don't bury the lead, Peter. It's been 50 years this month since I was auditioning for Ripoff. So it's amazing how 50 years in your life. Let me get this straight. How old is he now? 82 years old, right? He's 82. So you call up Donald after 50 years and have conversations with him.

This is not only the director of Ripoff, which he was probably surprised that was the subject you wanted to talk about, but this is the man who directed Going Down the Road. What a seminal, what an important film. He's a fantastic filmmaker. He's right there with the greats of Canadian filmmakers. Adam McCoyan. I was concerned that he was going to say, I just haven't got time for this.

I don't care for the film. How'd you get his number? Did you have his number? It's in the phone book. Wow. Okay. And again, he lives in, we won't give, we will just say Etobicoke. He lives in Etobicoke. He says it's a walk from here. Okay. Well, let's leave it there.

Let's leave it there. Now, he's still, of course, he's still sharp as a tack here. I know 82 can go either way. No, he's fine. We had a terrific conversation. It went all over the place. And we have a series of clips. Okay. Yeah. Set them up and we have a series of clips. Okay.

Yes. I'm up in a, we'll listen. I love this. So, so about me getting the role, cause I was asking him, why did you select me?

And, um, he hired Don Scardino. Don Scardino had been in a movie called Homer, um, and was in a number of other movies. He was actually in a movie with Al Pacino. What was the name of that? Blood Brothers. Oh, Dog Day Afternoon or Shopico. No, he was actually in a movie with al pacino what was the name of that blood brother oh dog day afternoon or not no it was a a movie where um

al pacino goes undercover plays a gay man to find out who's killing all these gay men anyways um so don scardino was this very attractive young man that was hired as the lead and and then they picked up ralph endersby because endersby was an experienced local actor uh he he was a regular on the forest rangers series in the early 60s and the writer bill fruit uh who who teamed with shabib to write the script they were arguing who would fill the other two roles shabib kind of wanted me i don't think he was like overwhelmingly in favor but he wanted me now fruit had gone to leaside collegiate to see what teenagers were like so he's hanging out at the school and he saw this one character was fluted flirting with the girls giving the principal the bird just being outrageous and he wanted this guy this was mike kakulowicz who plays cooley in the

movie um so so i asked you bibb uh did you and Fruitt come to some agreement that you would put me in the film if Fruitt could have Cooley? I don't remember that's false. I mean, don't forget the other two guys were professional actors, you know, Ralph and Scardino and you two guys weren't professional actors at all. So we're taking a chance on both of you. Of course. It's funny that I it was really important to me because I was into acting and I wanted to be a movie star and I wanted to be famous.

Right. You wanted to be Al Pacino. Yeah. And we'll refer to that. Make sure we refer to Al Pacino a little later. But Cooley, as we're hearing one of these clips, maybe I should tell you the story right now.

Yeah, go ahead. Cooley. No, I realize I don't have this. The problem is you'll forget to come back to it. Cooley thought this was a laugh. You know, a guy out of the blue offers him a part in a movie

simply because he'd been a cut-up in school. And he was way more concerned about harness horses. He loved betting on the harness horses, which I don't mind myself. So one day we're shooting way up at the Summit Golf Course, way up in Richmond Hill. And Shabib was, I don't know if. So one day we're shooting way up at the summit golf course, way up in Richmond Hill. And Shabib was, I don't know if the word is fussy,

but he would shoot from many, many angles. He would shoot a wide shot. He'd shoot a closeup. He'd shoot a medium shot. So his ratio of, of a stock to finish product was very high. Right.

You know, like Woody Allen would shoot his entire movie in a day. to finish product was very high. Right. Um, you know, like, um, Woody Allen would shoot his entire movie in a day. Frank D'Angelo does that too. We'll go off on a tangent there. So, uh, Cooley had a horse in the first race at Greenwood and he can tell now at six o'clock and it's getting dangerously close to post time.

And he was being a real moron on the set because he wasn't interested in doing the scene. I got to go. I got to get to post time. And he was being a real moron on the set because he wasn't interested in doing the scene. I got to go, I got to get to the track. So Shabib decided to shoot all of Cooley scenes first and my scenes. And then they gave me the keys to one of the company cars and off we drive. But the problem is it's like the race going off at seven 30 and we're up at the young and major McKenzie road at seven.

Right. So even though I'm driving like a maniac down the Don Valley Parkway, we're not going to make the first race. We pull up to Greenwood Race Track, and the horses are going behind the starting gate, and Cooley's having a fit because he's missed his opportunity to get his long shot. But there's a recall. A horse

has broken equipment, and they've got to start the race over again. So he gets like a 10-minute reprieve, goes flying into the track, bets 50 to win. The horse is 10 to 1. He wins over $500 reprieve goes flying into the track. That's 50 to win the horses, 10 to one. He wins over 500. Wow. So that was a,

that's amazing story. Um, but back to, I asked, uh, should bib how many feature films he made. Uh, and he said 16.

And I asked him, well, where do you put rip off on that? And he said, right at the bottom, um, he do you put Ripoff on that? And he said right at the bottom. He actually has a lot of regrets about it. If I had to do the film over, I would wait another year. The script was way too rushed.

It wasn't focused enough. It needed several more drafts. focused enough. It needed several more drafts. And I've always said that in some ways it's the worst film I've made, and yet in some ways it's the most important film, because it should have been. Because it should have been. Because it had a look. There weren't a lot of movies in those days looking at the status of teenagers growing up in a different time. Right, later movies like porkies and stuff yeah that were kind of like

yeah you're right i think there were a lot of movies like ensuing movies but by the way you catch that out of the 16 feature films he made he says ripoff is the worst film he's made yes i did catch that so the which leads into our next clip, I think. If I had to do the film over, I would wait another year. The script was way too rushed. It wasn't focused enough. It needed several more drafts. And I've always said that in some ways it's the worst film I've made,

and in some ways it's the most important film, because it should have been, because I figured things out. I was making a film about people wanting to be, everybody wanted to be a rock star. Everybody wanted to be creative. Everybody wanted to be, everybody wanted to be a rock star. Everybody wanted to be creative. Everybody wanted to be an actor. And it's about a bunch of kids who are trying to be something that they're not suited to be. And they failed at it and then found their own happiness.

So I asked him why he was so disappointed in Ripoff. Well, the film had a lot of flaws in it, I think, and it did well in Toronto. It did very well. I guess it made it close to making his money back because it did have television sales, and then it was reissued under another title. Spring Comes Early?

Something like that. Virgin Territ virgin territory i mean rip-off was a kind of a dumb title anyways you know but that spring comes early wasn't any better but there weren't any films made about teenagers in those days of that nature so it was unusual i guess um and uh and it was uh bennett fodey wanted a film that was like the summer of 42 which had come out between ripoff and going down the road you know it's interesting that you bring up summer of 42 because i've actually got a copy of a review in the tor Star by Clyde Gilmore that shows the four of us posing in front of the van with hope painted on it.

The headline of Clyde Gilmore's review is Shabib's quiet comedy ripoff better than Summer of 42. Oh, really? Would you agree with that? I'd have to, I don't know. I saw the film at U of T about five or six years ago and a class was there

and the kids loved it, you know. But, you know, who knows? So, I was into filmmaking and acting, and I thought this is a great opportunity to learn something firsthand. And I used to drop in on Shabib and watch how he edited. And back in those days, you edited with those 35-millimeter editing machines

with the film all up in the air and going through the scope. It's all online now but um one afternoon he gave me an indelible and inspirational piece of instruction you gave me an editing lesson that i never forgot i don't suppose you remember this you know that i i used to visit you while you were cutting the film? Yep. And there's that notorious naked scene in the rock quarry. And in retrospect, it makes no sense that I'm naked. Why wouldn't I be wearing a bathing suit?

But that's neither here nor there. You said, I want to show you something. And you lined up the distant shot of me standing on the raft through the editing machine. You took a black magic marker and you drew black strokes in the middle of my body so that as the film moved through the projector or moved through the machine, this black mark between my legs grew bigger and bigger. Then you took a cutaway of Mike Kukulowicz slapping his head in amazement.

Oh, God. It taught me that you could take different items and edit them together for an effect. And I, hundreds of times at City TV, I use the cutaway of people looking in amazement or laughing to emphasize whatever point. Oh, yeah, yeah. And now, of course, you can't believe anything you see with CGI-generated images, you know. Well, that was, no, I mean, it was silly and it was rude, but. It taught you a valuable lesson.

Yeah, yeah. Just, you can take elements that have nothing to do with each other and marry them and create a brand new effect. Smoke and mirrors, right? Absolutely. So we mentioned this, that, so he he makes going down the road in 1969, and in 2011, I'm trying to do the math there, that's 42 years later.

Summer of 42. Just before we move on, that summer you were 4'2". Is that correct? No. I've always been many, many inches over feet i couldn't i just couldn't let that joke why don't you bring up the fact that i was sleeping during the 680 sportscast and that's why i got fired okay you're a very cruel man mike anyways um going down the road was such a wonderful film that 41 42 years later shabib revisited that in a sequel called Down the Road Again.

So I wondered. So you made a remake of Going Down the Road. How much thought have you put in to revisiting Ripoff? None. I just got to tell you, he's a lovely man. We talked for an hour and 45 minutes. Wow.

You really should get him over here when it's comfortable for him. Of course, in the spring. Because he's got a passion for filmmaking and a passion for politics. And if you want to talk about Noah Shabib, Noah Shabib, and of course, find out how Don Fortuny is. 40, as I call him. Right. Okay, so here we're going to transition here.

I'm just going to play a little bit of, this is early, like the first album by Murray McLachlan, because as he's recording this first album for True North Records, shout out to Bernie Finkelstein, he is making music for Ripoff, right? Yeah. Murray McLachlan. And, of course, the guy who was at True North first is,

it's all going to come full circle, is Bruce Colburn, and Bruce Colburn made the music for Going Down the Road. I think that at one time or another, we were in a studio with Murray McLachlan and or Bruce Colburn. There's a scene where the boys are driving in their van up to the so-called commune in Sudbury, and we're singing My Dog Blue. Do you know that song?

My dog blue. It doesn't matter. I can't do it justice, but we're singing a song, and it was produced by, I'm thinking Murray McLachlan. So we're actually performing with Murray McLachlan. Okay, he's a fellow FOTM, so shout out to Murray. And McLachlan wow okay he's he's a fellow FOTM so shout out to Murray and his wife

Denise Donlan who's also an FOTM who you worked with for many years I know Denise I didn't realize she was married to Murray McLachlan

yeah they have a kid together and everything two very tall people yeah I wonder how tall the kid is I don't know came out 6 foot 7

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If you still have non-perishable food items, take them to Great Lakes. We're having a big shindig there, safely outdoors. Saturday at having a big shindig there safely outdoors. Saturday at 11 a.m., I'm going to be there recording live. Again, we're all going to be six feet apart and outdoors. I think they're going to have

a big fire pit so that my gear doesn't freeze up like it is today. What were you going to say, Peter? Garnet Barnsdale still a little upset that Palma makes better lasagna than he does. Garnet makes a wonderful lasagna. Sure. I mean, you can make great lasagna, but did you see my face light up when I came into your backyard and saw the lasagna?

And my son, Roger, is freezing here, but he's warmed by the fact that this is his dinner. Stick your face in there. Okay, is it vegetarian or meat? What is the preference? Oh, meat, meat, meat. Okay, so I'll have to swap it. I think that's a vegetarian, but I do have one meat left, so I'll swap it for you before you go.

That would be quite the downer if I heated it up and it was vegetarian. My doctor said stay away from vegetables. Consume as much sugar as possible. That's what the doctor said. It's working for you. Okay, you have some fantastic stories that you were telling me about

this movie, Ripoff, that you were in. So now I'm a major movie star. And they promoted Ripoff in all the major cities across Canada, but they only sent Don Scardino the lead. And I was quite put out. So I decided that I was going to hitchhike from Toronto to Calgary to Edmonton to Vancouver and hook up with the radio and television stations. Because you are a star of this movie. Like you're on the poster. Yeah. Yeah.

Um, I think what happened was that when they heard that I was going on my own to do this, they ordered the radio stations to ignore me. Oh no. Cause I don't think i ever hooked up with scardino or any of these so i you went rogue i like um i'll tell you back in 1970 you could stick your thumb out and get a ride you know i can't imagine anyone does that today no now

nowadays not so much but i in the late 80s uh like i was me and my buddies would go camping at pinery but none of us had a car and we'd want to go to grand bend and this is like i don't know 10k or something and we always hitchhiked to Grand Bend, and this is like, I don't know, 10K or something, and we always hitchhiked back and forth. So there was still lingering hitchhiking in the late 80s, but I think that's been long gone. I think too many serial killers were picking up hitchhikers. It's just ruined it for everybody.

So I'm in Vancouver, and somehow I got wind that Ripoff had been included in the first annual L.A. film exposition. So I hitchhiked down to L.A. and I marched into the office of the L.A. film exposition and present myself as the unofficial representative of the Canadian film industry. And they were very nice to me. Wow. The woman who was the media in charge of media let me stay in her house for several days 10 12 days she gave me her car they gave me a pass to

every movie i went to movies every day wow so ripoff plays at the graumann's chinese theater oh yes the legendary yeah i think they used to hold the Academy Awards there for many, many years. Yes. And it plays on a double bill with Charlie Chaplin's City Lights. Okay. Which is like, no, that's not what I would do if I wanted to promote ripoff. And it plays, and there was a reasonably good response to it. Okay. So now I'm in the lobby, Peter Gross movie star in the lobby of Grauman's Chinese Theater,

doing interviews, signing autographs. Wow. A man comes up to me and says, I'm making a movie and I want to offer you the part. He didn't say to me, would you like to audition for the part? He says, I want to give you the part. Wow. And he gives me the script. Yeah. And it was a really interesting script.

It was a really good part about not so much a mentally disabled, but just a disruptive individual who teams up with a buddy and they want to set up a chain of car washes across America. Okay. So I hitchhiked home. By the way, I hitchhiked out of L.A. to Toronto in 87 hours. Did it straight. So fell asleep in some cars. One of the first stops I made was Las Vegas.

I think I had $100 on me. Lost all of my money in some cars. One of the first stops I made was Las Vegas. I think I had a hundred dollars on me, lost all of my money in Las Vegas, but, but was able to parlay that story. Every time I got picked up, I said, I've lost all of my money in Las Vegas and got to get back to Toronto and people would feed me.

And that's why. So I get back to Toronto, call this guy. I've got a script column and he never gets back to me. And about a year later, out comes this movie called Scarecrow starring Al Pacino in the role that was offered to me. Are you kidding me?

Al Pacino and Gene Hackman. How is it that it took this long for me to hear this? How many hours have we talked over the last five years? How did it take this long for you to drop that one on me? Because I have so many amazing stories. That's un-fucking-believable. It's a true story.

You were offered the role that Al Pacino got in Scarecrow. Al Pacino stole the role from me. He stole it from me. Wow. And it should have been me saying, Kay, don't ask me about my business. Yes, well, the Godfather was 1970, I think. Say hello to my little friend.

Yeah, vanity, my favorite sin. Oh, there's so many great Al Pacino roles that could have been yours. I don't know what to say here, except that's a true story because you don't lie. And unbelievable, but true. Wild. Okay, here's another true story that I may or may not have told you. When I was in L.A. and this fettered movie star, they invited me to a cocktail party. And they hooked me up.

Remember Jackbertson chico and the man sure i know of chico and the man so they they hooked me up with a date his daughter moira reasonably attractive woman i don't i don't recall that we ever said a word to each other so i'm at this cocktail party which is it was in a room about the size of your porch here so maybe a dozen people right and um what's the i'm telling a story now forget the name of the actress oh that's important detail yeah uh come on you can do this james con no no think i'll just name beautiful blonde actress from the 60s oh so many uh and she i gotta tell you she ended up being a teacher in saved by the bell.

Oh, miss bliss. Uh, who is miss bliss? Yeah. Look, oh my God, I'm having a,

I'm having a senior's moment. Of course, of course, of course. It's important that we get her name though. Yeah. I'm going to, I'm going to,

I know this, uh, her name is Haley Mills. No, it wasn't Haley Mills. Well, that's a, what are you talking about?

It's not Haley Mills. You're describing Haley Mills. Okay. Give me another clue then. Um, I can't, but anyway, I can open up the You're describing Hayley Mills. Okay, give me another clue then. I can't. Anyway. Open up the Twitter.

If anyone's watching live on Periscope, tweet us the answer. What I remember is that her date had said to her at one point, some of your movies aren't very good, and she threw a glass of champagne in his face. And you don't remember who this was? No, it'll come to me as soon as the show finishes. But she was

in some sexploitation movies in the 60s. Very, very pretty blonde woman. It wasn't Hayley Mills. Okay, okay, because she was from the Parent Trap, right? She was the original Parent Trap. Right, that's right, that's right. Okay, so this will kill us and kill the episode.

Susan Anton. All right. You ever have a name in the back of your brain and you can sort of see it and it's fuzzy? Peter, that's because we're live. I feel like this is something that happens to me all the time. Like people who I literally know and love and talk to all the time. Adrienne Barbeau.

No. Little blonde woman. Little blonde woman. Little sexy blonde woman. Twiggy. Twiggy is who it No. Little blonde woman. Little blonde woman. Little sexy blonde woman. Twiggy. Twiggy is who it was. She's little. Prettier than Twiggy.

Pretty. Oh, wow. Okay. Kathy Lee Crosby. No. I wish. No. I don't know.

I can't play this. Angie Dickinson. That was Angie Dickinson. That was Angie Dickinson. We can't keep. Linda Day George, who I actually don't know who that is Linda Day George was in a movie

with Dustin Hoffman Kramer vs. Kramer what was she in no no Shelly Hack is this the woman you're thinking of Shelly Hack

no okay I can't just name blonde actresses from the 70s any longer no 60s 60s

she was done she was done by the time I was at the LA film exposition she was finished oh it'll come to me, but anyway,

so I come back to Toronto. I don't get any more parts and I ended up driving taxi for three years in Toronto. And we, we know where that story, uh, like we know that you, you drive taxi and,

uh, that's where Moses discovers you. Do you want to tell the story real quick? I know we asked. Well, no, Moses never got into my taxi. Phyllis Switzer did. Okay. Phyllis Switzer, the woman who created City Television.

That's one of those stories we've changed. We've changed that story a little bit because we like it better that Moses gets in your taxi. So we wrote it a little bit. Yeah, it's better if Moses gets in. But I did, I ran into Moses. Tippi Hedren, that's from the Birds. You're getting closer.

Janet Lee then from Psycho. Okay, keep going here. I'm trying to think. Dunn? Obviously, really Dunn. Sadly, of course. That wasn't Sharon Tate, was it? No, she was gone by then.

She was gone by then. Okay, finish that story. Well, there's not much of a story to it. I was driving taxi and going to the Friars Tavern for the improv and, you know, doing stand up comedy. And the host of the improv worked at City TV. And then through that, I was I would write the sportscast every night for the real classless newscast that came on at 930, I think, with John Minter, who was quite a character. He actually used to do the news wearing a tux with no pants on. Okay. I love those fun facts. And at the time, City TV had one broken down van and one cameraman.

And there were several occasions where the van didn't work, so they hired my taxi for $20. And at the time, City TV had one broken down van and one cameraman. And there were several occasions where the van didn't work. So they hired my taxi for $20. And I would hold the mic and then once or twice jump in front of the camera. And then Moses got hold of me one day and he said, do you want to do a story? And he sent me out a friend of his, Damian Lee, great promoter was promoting a thing called the great cross Canada chase. And to promote that, he had a belly flop contest at the end on the park at the Eglinton and Leslie.

And so I covered that and I wore my bar mitzvah suit, my one suit. And of course the extra had to be with me standing on the diving board saying, you know, the great cross Canada chase won't be a flop. And then I jump into the pool in my in my suit, which freaked my mother out. Moses loved it. Moses loved it and subsequently hired me.

And I got hired in the fall of 1976 for seventy eight hundred dollars as a television reporter. Wow. Which meant I took a cut from driving taxi. Right. Wow. Okay, I love these. You know, I just had Erica M on the show last week, so there was a lot of, like, talk about these Moses.

Erica M, Erica M. I kissed Erica M. Yeah, that's a story I do remember you telling me about you don't kiss smokers or something. Yeah, but I'll make an exception. I'll make an exception for you. Did I tell you? I think I did at some point.

I'm working with a client of mine is Morty Shulman's daughter. And I think I played a clip of you talking about Morty Shulman. But he's a gentleman. Again, I'm a bit young to remember the Shulman files and all that. But the more you dig into this,

that should be our next deep dive. And then Wojek. So Wojek was inspired by the career of morty shulman as you know and then of course quincy me is sort of like the american ripoff of wojak which means it's sort of inspired by morty shulman as well but there's just so many great stories coming out of those morty shulman was a remarkable character like In all ways, right? Like, so many different aspects to his career, too, from broadcaster to politician to just chief coroner or whatever. Like, so many different aspects to his career. Interesting guy.

Anyway, I work with his daughter now. But, Peter, back to Ripoff, just to wrap this up, put a little, like, a bow on it here. Did you ever, is that to the to date is that the biggest movie you've ever oh yeah it was the only uh only feature role i ever had i was in a movie with gordon pinson called god only knows god but i only had one scene in that um i did a cbc uh half hour show again with gordon pinson was in it but i didn't have a scene with him I did a CBC half-hour show. Again, Gordon Pitzer was in it, but I didn't have a scene with him.

Right. Where I played a gang leader who steals some video recorder for some reason. I don't know about that. Well, you're typecast. Yeah, and I was also in a, I can't remember, it was a religious show where everyone finds Jesus. And I played a tough in that one who gets adopted by a very kind family and I guess finds the Lord. Yeah, that sounds like that was really the sequel to Ripoff,

I think, that movie right there. Peter, honestly, what an hour. I didn't even know I needed to know all these things about Ripoff. And then hearing it from you, it's like, of course I needed to know this. I needed a deep dive into ripoff. I just didn't know it. You're the man to deliver it. We're going to get Donald, Shabib, or Shabib, whichever one says yes.

Get both of them just to make sure. They're both going to be in this backyard in the spring. I want to thank your son for driving you here, and I'm going to make sure I get you the meat lasagna because you don't want the veggie. Luckily, that's still frozen solid from being outside here the last hour. But, dude, that was amazing. Thank you for the deep dive into Ripoff.

Can we give a plug for Down the Stretch? We released episode 47 today. It's another fascinating 20 minutes of horse racing information. But most importantly, there's a story about a guy who broke both of his wrists in an accident and an hour later won two stakes races at a harness track in Edmonton. It's an amazing story.

And I'll speak as somebody who doesn't really follow horse racing all that much, and I never really thought I was a big fan. I will say this is an amazing podcast. It's actually very interesting even for people who are casual or once in a while fans of the whole sport. You just have this ability

to package together content in a way that is compelling and interesting to me. And I'm so grateful to have you on the team. That's a great podcast, Down the Stretch. And today's episode includes the Rolling Stones and Simon and Garfunkel. You realize how hard it was to get them to perform for Down the Stretch? Because they were in off-track betting shops and it was really hard to reach them. And that brings us to the end of our 765th show. Looks like we made it. That mic is still working.

The headphones are still working. Be gentle with the headphones because the wires freeze up and then they snap. It's really the biggest concern there. You can follow me on Twitter. I'm at Toronto Mike. Peter is at Peter the Gross. Of course, the story there is that

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