Toronto Mike'd: The Official Toronto Mike Podcast - Samantha Martin: Toronto Mike'd Podcast Episode 1712

Episode Date: June 16, 2025

In this 1712th episode of Toronto Mike'd, Mike chats with singer songwriter Samantha Martin about her career in music, singing with Delta Sugar, her musical influences and shitting where she eats. Toronto Mike'd is proudly brought to you by Great Lakes Brewery, Palma Pasta, Ridley Funeral Home, Toronto Maple Leafs Baseball, Yes We Are Open, Nick Ainis and RecycleMyElectronics.ca. If you would like to support the show, we do have partner opportunities available. Please email Toronto Mike at [e-mail]

Hey y'all, it's Samantha Martin and you're listening to Toronto Miked. I should have been doing this for the last 12 years. It's a great idea. Sometimes I'm slow on the uptake and then... Then I figured out. It's all good. Better to be at the party than late to the party. Or sorry, better late to the party than not be at the party. No one invites me to parties.

I need more coffee. More on that. Welcome to episode 1712 of Toronto Mic'd. I'm going to talk faster to try to still have some song on this thing. Proudly brought to you by Great Lakes Brewery, a fiercely independent craft brewery who believes in supporting communities, good times and brewing amazing beer. Order online for free local home delivery in the GTA. Palma Pasta, enjoy the taste of fresh homemade Italian pasta and entrees from Palma Pasta

in Mississauga and Oakville. Yes We Are Open, an award winning podcast from Monaris hosted by FOTM Al Gregor, Toronto Maple Leafs Baseball, the best baseball in the city outside the dome. Get to Christie Pitts this summer. RecycleMyElectronics.ca, committing to our planet's future means properly recycling our electronics of the past. Building Toronto Skyline, a podcast and book from Nick Ienies, sponsored by Fusion Corp. Construction Management Inc. And Ridley Funeral Home, pillars of the community since 1921. Joining me today, making her Toronto mic debut is Samantha Marden.

Hello. Good to be here. Nice to meet you. Yeah. It's good to, you know, it's good to get back out of the house now. Well, you got to get out of the house once in a while. Did you get out of the house this past weekend? Sort of, yes. We were out of the house, but in the backyard doing a lot of cleanup. Who's we? Me and my partner Renan and our little two-year-old baby.

Okay, congrats on a two-year-old baby. Okay congrats on a two-year-old baby. Thank you. That's amazing. I just want to shout out a person you know named Blair Packham. Yeah. How do you know Blair? Oh my gosh it's been it's been a minute. So I, I believe I met Blair first at say what for a songwriter night that they were holding on Sunday nights. Um, uh, uh, Terrence, Derek Downham and Tim Bovaconte. Tim's been over here. Yeah. And they used to host when I first moved to Toronto, they used to host a jam night,

a songwriter jam night at say what and I had just moved to the city and I was here to make it and uh, what year was this? Oh my god, when did you come to Toronto to make it? 2006. Okay, so not even 20 years ago. Yeah or no, no it was 2007, sorry it was 2007. Still not only 20 years ago. Yeah, or no, no, it was 2007. Sorry, it was 2007. Still not only 20 years ago. Yeah, yeah. Not, yeah.

Now Tim Bovaconte, he's kind of in the Guess Who now when you think about it, because he's going to be on this Guess Who reunion tour. Yeah. Like that's cool. It is super cool. And it was so funny, I ran into Terrence Gowin at the, in the lounge, at the airport lounge in Toronto Pearson, not that long ago. And it was so cool to run into him

because I hadn't seen him since the Say What Jam had ended. And yeah, it was just super cool. I love those guys. And I'm gonna see Derek tomorrow. Okay, that's very cool. Now, when you're hanging with Blair at these songwriter things, like, do you guys write a song together?

Like, did you did you write something with Blair? No, it was more of a like sharing your songs with basically other songwriters, because I don't think there was much of a I can't remember, but I don't think there was like a whole bunch of like fans coming to see it it I think it was just like a room full of songwriters Sharing their songs, you know next time these things happen invite me and I'll set up like my studio in the corner Yeah, and then people can like cool people like you can come by and chat me up for a few minutes and talk about what's going On I think we should do that. I I really do. Okay, let me ask you about this Okay, so I want to get back to Blair in a minute,

but I wanna shout him out because Blair said, hey Mike, you should have Samantha Martin on your show. And then since that was scheduled, multiple guests have just dropped your name in conversation. Like I should have a list of these guests, but they'll be like, they'll mention you. And then I'll be like, she's in the calendar. Like you've come up quite a bit lately.

Really? Yeah. Good, it's working. Like you're going concern. like, she's in the calendar. Like you've come up quite a bit lately. Really? Yeah. Good, it's working. Like you're going concern. Well, that's good. Well, that's good because quite frankly, I thought after I had a kid that people thought I died. So, like I just, you know, like I had a baby

and all of a sudden my phone stopped ringing. I was like, do people even know I exist anymore? After this episode, expect multiple phone calls. Samantha, I heard you're alive. You're back in business here. By the way, when you came here almost 20 years ago, where did you come from? So I have family in Alberta and I have family on the Bruce Peninsula. So I had gone to university college and at Grant McEwen in Edmonton and then I moved to the Owen Sound area. My dad lives in Lion's Head which is a small little hamlet of 500 people and I went to high school there for a short stint. But you're from Edmonton? I'm from

Edmonton. I was born in Edmonton. Do you know that's why I'm wearing this shirt? Because my wife is from Edmonton. Oh'm from Edmonton. I was born in Edmonton. Do you know that's why I'm wearing this shirt? Because I knew you were from Edmonton. Because my wife is from Edmonton. Oh nice. And you're similar vintage. Yeah yeah. And like I wore this on Friday with Sky Wallace because but but I said I'm gonna wear it again like I'm wearing it again because you are an Edmontonian. Are you a hockey fan? I am sort of a hockey fan. Let's just put it this way I like seeing hockey live in the arena. Not so much sports on TV kind of gal. But will you tune in for a must win game six?

Like would you tune in? Because this is happening tomorrow night. Like will you tune in because it's such high stakes? Well, probably, yeah. At least in the periphery. You know, I- It'll be on in the background. It'll be on in the background. It'll be on in the background.

I got to be honest with you, I got into music because sports weren't my thing. So I hated gym class, I couldn't wait to get to music class. And growing up with a father who played hockey in smaller towns, that sort of thing, I think I got like, because I wasn't big into sports to play them myself, I kind of had to go to a lot of sports. And I think I just kind of tapped out on it. But did that, like, I'm just wondering what came first, like your passion for music or that voice,

like, cause you have this textured, amazing voice. We're gonna play some of your jams, like in mere moments, and I want people who don't know who the hell Samantha Martin is to hear this voice. But like, did you say, hey, I got a cool voice, maybe I would sing, or did you love to sing, and then you developed this cool voice? Like what comes first?

I think that my love of music came first. My dad was a musical guy, like he played guitar around kitchen tables and campfires and that sort of thing. There was always music in the house and I remember singing like the Little Mermaid into a garden hose and a fan and stuff like that, you know, like when I was really, really young, like three, four. And then it wasn't until I was 20 that I really thought, well, maybe I could really make a go of it. And you have. I have.

You have, you've made a fricking go of it, Samantha. I've made a fricking go of it, dude. By the way, I gotta tell you, the first Samantha I really knew of was Samantha Maselli, who was a character on Who's the Boss. And I had a huge crush on Samantha Maselli. I think we were like similar age. She might've been like a year or two older.

But like a very early crush for yours truly was Samantha Maselli. Very nice. You're not Samantha Maselli. You're actually much younger than Samantha Maselli. But Samantha, I just think when I hear the, still today when I hear the name Samantha, my first thought is Samantha Maselli.

Well, that's cool because most of the time I get the twinkly nose witch. That's for boomers. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think it's how it works. If the first thought with Samantha is the bewitched actress of Montgomery, something Montgomery, I think.

Yeah, yeah, I'm witchy. But then you're talking to a baby boomer. And if the first thought is Samantha Maselli, you're talking to Generation X. Yeah, and then I got, there was Samantha Fox. Oh my God, yes. That poster, yes, of course. Yeah, yeah.

But that's like a, isn't she British? I don't know. I don't know anything about Samantha Fox other than I don't look anything like her. I just own the same first name. Right, okay. Well, there's some great Samanthas out there. Yeah.

You're gonna shout them all out over the next 60 minutes here. Okay, so not a hockey fan, but you're mildly curious because you're from Edmonton, Alberta. And, um, I mentioned Blair. I've given some props to Blair Blair actually, uh, often we'll say you should talk to this person, Tim Bovaconte, for example, and I consider it. And then I'm like, I think I would like to talk to Tim or for an example, I would like to talk to Samantha, but there's a gentleman that Blair tried to get

on Toronto mic because he thought we'd have a great chat. Stephen Leckie, do you know the name Steve Leckie? Yes, I know the name. Have I seen him play? I don't think so. Okay, I'm gonna play a little bit. This is going back to like before, because I know your age and I know I've got several years

on you Samantha and I know I'm too young to have been going to you know, Queen Street clubs in the late 70s. Okay? Yes I was like I would call that my Sesame Street fever era But here's a jam get I'm gonna think I'll turn it down this is loud,, but I wanna talk about Steve Lackey for a moment. ["Give Me Feel"] Give me just, give me just, give me a feel. Give me just, give me just, give me a feel. See me hurt, see me hurt, feel I feel. See me hurt, see me hurt, feel I feel.

When the winds don't tell me to fall, When the winds don't tell me to lie, don't fall! So it doesn't sound anything like a vile more about this during the next Rewinder because Blair is the co-host of Rewinder which is a quarterly show, we've got a while to go before the next episode, it's gonna be in early September for goodness sake. So I'm just gonna throw into the universe that if... who should I be talking to? If I wanted to have a quick remembrance Stevie... Steve Leckie episode of Toronto Mike, who are the two or three people I really need to connect

with even if it's via zoom please let me know Mike at Toronto Mike dot com because even though the vile tones are before my time so many people I know and trust have told me what a key part of Toronto's punk history this band was and Steve Leckie and I really want to kind of pay proper tribute. You know what I mean, Samantha? I totally know what you mean. I mean, it sounds like he used to rip the crap out of the horseshoe for sure. You should talk to...

Gary Top. Yeah, Gary Top would probably... That's why I moderated a panel discussion at the red room of the concert hall, the Masonic Temple because Gary Top put out a book and Steve Leckie was there. Nice. So we were in the same room, but not on the same microphones. So, but yeah, Gary Taubt, who else?

Who do you think? Like Cleve Anderson. Cleve Anderson, who made his Toronto Mike debut last month. See, Cleve would definitely know Steve for sure. Oh man, there's like- Like Don Pyle, I was thinking. Yeah. And shadowy man on a shadowy planet. Yeah. And of course, like Chris and Sean Dignan from Dodge Fiasco, they'd probably know. They'd probably know Steve. Yeah. Like there's, there's so many,

so many people in like, that's to me, like the Toronto punk sound for sure. Now there is uh so again I only again I'm learning okay but in my calendar I want to get the right date when I shout this out so I'm just gonna go to my calendar right now. Here's what this is dangerous when you search your calendar for the word flesh okay it's very very uh let's see okay there it is oh it's August 25th so there's a while to go for this. But there is a deep dive with OG members of Stark Naked and the Flesh Tones. Okay. And they're from the same kind of scene, right? Like I've had, here's the teenage head drumsticks. Nice. Where I've been kind of trying to catch up on, you know, who's left of teenage head and talking. This is from Jean Champagne.

But so I missed out on Steve Leckie, uh, file tones talk, uh, we're going to try to pay tribute in a future episode of Toronto mic'd. I wanted to pay some tribute right now because I'm getting stories now and these stories are batshit crazy stories. So Samantha, like this guy, if nothing else, a fascinating fixture in the Toronto scene, like for better or worse, these stories that are starting to hit me from various people who interacted with him over the last few decades, bat shit crazy stories. I need to do a proper overview recap of his contribution to the scene. Honestly, musicians of a certain vintage, as you say,

have so many bat shit crazy stories and they're so interesting. It was like a different time. Well, yeah, well, first of all, his name on stage was Nazi dog. Oh dear. Like so I think even that like even today trying to tell a young person yeah this was Nazi dog like and even I who missed out on the late 70s punk scene like this whole and I had this chat with brother Bill once we drove into hardcore the history of hardcore and we had a very interesting chat on all

this. And I think Ralph Alfonso was on this episode talk is the diodes and everything. But this is a whole like there's a bit of a weird overlap with like, not all members, of course, many were very much against it. But this punk scene, and like swastikas and Nazi. Yeah, the neo Nazi, like, like it's in then you'll see like, oh yeah, this riot happened with teenage head and this, and you'll see the footage and some guy will have a jacket on like a leather jacket and have the safety pins in their face and everything. And then

you'll see like the big swastika on the back of the swastika on the back. Swastika, swastika, maybe it's good. I don't know how to say that fucking word, but what are like, if nothing else interesting and should be discussed. Yes. Yeah. I mean, certainly not for me like that. That genre.

Well, no, like I mean, I can get behind some punk music for sure. I can get behind it. But is it on regular rotation on my turntable? No, no, because what about sex pistols? See, this is what I'm talking about. I love to hear sex pistols on the radio. Right. Do I own a sex pistols record? No, I don't. I'm sorry.

Maybe that makes me not cool, but I also don't own any bluegrass records because fiddles going, fiddles and mandolins and picking and stuff like that kind of, it makes me anxious. Interesting. So like really, really fast drums make me anxious. Really, you know, like all the, I remember going to like folk music conferences and there was always like a jam in the in the lobby of the hotel with like every fiddle that ever came to to this folk conference and it was just I don't know it's something about the sort of speed and intensity in which some things are played that it's it's even okay so my partner's Turkish okay and so he has a lot of he

plays sometimes some classic Turkish sort of like gypsy music and he played it in the car once and I'm just like on a road trip and I'm like you have to turn this off I'm going faster Wow I'm gonna get a speeding ticket because I want to get out of this car so bad I'm going faster okay so I know that feeling you're describing because when I actually often gravitate towards that kind of music Maybe like system of a down or something like that. Okay, but what it does to me is it gets my heart rate going faster yeah, and then I feel like I'm Flaw, it's almost like a High a natural high sure. So I love that feeling.

I'm glad you love that feeling. You know what I mean. You feel manic, right? Yeah. Well, I don't like this feeling of mania. For those of you who don't know, and Mike, you're one of them, people call me Safety Sam.

Safety Sam, I'm gonna write that down. I'm not, I don't do drugs. Do you drink beer? I drink beer. Great Lakes beer. Are you just saying that because I'm giving you some Great Lakes beer? Yes. You don't have to look like, like, naked, for example, will come over and Biff naked will never take the beer because she's what's called straight edge. Right.

No alcohol, no drugs. I smokes. Oh, honey. I love drinking. You eat honey. Yes, but I like drinking, but I don't do it very often, but like I like socially drinking and I like a really, really cold beer on a really, really hot day after I've cut the lawn or something. I'm with you and then other than that. I'm like cider wine and rye Okay, and well and anything with the lime in it. Do you cut the lawn in your household? I have been known to cut the lawn in my household when necessary. Yeah, okay I like that. There's no gender norms happening or whatever like Samantha Martin is gonna cut the lawn

No, and of course like my my partner, Renan, he does the cooking of dinner because he doesn't like my white people food. No, and it's totally, it's legitimate. Like he will let me cook the turkeys, the prime rib roasts. He will let me cook stews, those sorts of things. But when it comes to like our daily Monday to Friday dinners, he's in charge. Okay, you've divvied up the duties. So let me just do this right now since this is the time. Next time you mow the lawn, you'll have a cold Great Lakes beer in your fridge because

I'm giving you some fresh craft beer from Great Lakes Brewery. If it makes it past my husband, who will drink beer at any temperature at any time. But yes, thank you. Can I invite you and your husband and your two-year-old by the way, to Great Lakes Brewery at 30 Queen Elizabeth Boulevard. This is down the street from the Costco in South Etobicoke on June 26th, which I was looking at a calendar

that's from May 1986. Like, why am I looking at this calendar? That's not going to help me at all. Okay. But we are on the 16th. So what are we 11 days out? So Thursday, June 26, did I say 11 days? No, it's 10 days out. My goodness. Okay. Thursday, June 26 from 6 to 9 p.m. FOTM's like yourself, Samantha and Blair Packham, etc. will collect at Great Lakes Brewery for a free hang where the first beer is on the house, but also, palma pasta is going to feed everybody. That's delicious Italian food. Maybe your husband would enjoy a lasagna, which I have in my freezer for you to bring home now, courtesy of Palma Pasta.

Oh my gosh. Did you know you were going to get Palma Pasta lasagna when you visited today? I didn't. I didn't know I was getting beer. I didn't know I was getting pasta. No heads up from Blair Packham. No heads up. It was just like, hey, you got to talk to this guy, Mike.

Okay. And I was like, cool. I'll be there. He didn't tell me it was Safety Sam coming over. I got to change my scripting. No, no. So, okay. So I got to get to your career in your music, but I do want to just let me just throw into the universe that I had a blast on Saturday. I had quite a weekend. I'll just recap it real quick. But we celebrated our anniversary. My wife and I, my Edmond, Tony and wife, we celebrated

our anniversary on Friday night. So we had a date Friday night, we had a great time, a great Saturday morning and then Saturday was a busy day but part of Saturday was I went to see the Watchmen at the Danforth Music Hall and I just want to say I fucking loved it and I love that band. Do you have any affinity for the Watchmen? You know, you don't. You're just you know what? Again, just it's not. I don't. Well, no, I just don't know if I like them or not because I don't. I haven't listened.

OK, well, they're from a peg. I feel like you, you know, you prairie people need to stick together. OK, but there are mid to late 90s phenomenon. Anyways, they're fantastic. They were great. I just want to shout out the Watchmen. It was good to succeed four friends on stage. Fucking loved it.

And then I actually, after the Watchmen concert at the Danforth Music Hall, I biked to Kensington Market area to go to a bar where Al Grego was performing live and I got to see Al perform live. It was in celebration of Al's 50th birthday. So happy birthday again, Al Grego was performing live and I got to see Al perform live. It was in celebration of Al's 50th birthday. So happy birthday again, Al Grego. And I'm here to tell you Samantha Marden, safety Sam, that Al hosts an award-winning podcast called Yes We Are Open. This is made by Monaris.

And he collects inspiring stories from small business owners and he shares them on this great series called Yes We Are Open. And season eight just finished up and every episode but the finale of season eight was recorded in Regina, Saskatchewan. Have you had positive experiences or negative experiences in Regina, Saskatchewan? I have had positive experiences in Regina. I think the most recent time that we went through Regina was just before the pandemic. Okay, like 2020? It was February 2020. Like we're talking right before the world shut down and we played the artisan.

And it was a lovely room full of lovely people. And I had rented an Airbnb, I think, for the band and close to where we were staying was a cool little bar. We made friends with the bartender and yeah, she's come to all of our shows since. So in the area. So this is Samantha Martin and Delta Sugar? Yes, Samantha Martin and Delta Sugar.

Should I nail that T in Martin? I feel like I have a, I sometimes say Martin. It doesn't. Martin. Martin, Martin, whatever. It depends on, you you know because Pete my accent Well, and the thing is is that I don't critique how anybody says my name so long as it's not Stephanie or something You know, like, you know safety Sam will do I like I love Holger Peterson

Holger Peterson was CBC. He he I think he says it the same way. Or like Samantha Martin. I can't remember how he says it, but it's cute. It's cute. It's like just a little bit different. Like the T becomes a D. I got criticism. Samantha, I think it's Samantha Martin. Okay, so you like-

Like there's a little third kind of thing, which is adorable and I love it and I would never correct him. And if Holger's hearing this, don't change, baby. Don't ever change. Don't ever change. So let's get you back to your beginning here. Like maybe walk us through a little bit about this.

Like you were into music because you weren't into sports, but who are your inspirations? Like I've shouted out a bunch of acts. You're like, I don't know these people. Like who were your musical inspirations? Because you're kind of all over the place with like roots rock and blues and soul and gospel. Like we're gonna play some of your music in mere minutes so people can hear what I'm talking about.

The I think my personal influences when I was growing up was definitely my dad and I had a music teacher Miss Miss Stanton. And when I was first starting to play music, it was a lot of like Sarah McLaughlin and Jewel, because that was sort of my, at the time that was sort of my female sort of, I guess, peers in, you know, like the people that I was looking to. And they were popular.

What about Winnipeg or Chantel, Chantel, Craviage? I, I again love Chantel and it was sort of that period of time where like the Lilith Fair kind of vibe. So that was how I sort of why I started playing guitar and the songs that I was teaching myself. But that, but my dad started, you know, by teaching me House of the Rising Sun, you know, and there was a lot of country music, and my mom played a lot of rock and roll in the house. So she was a big like Janis Joplin, Rolling Stones,

Led Zeppelin. I hear Janis in your voice. Yeah, that would have been the years of smoking, I'm sure. You asked me how I got my voice. There was years and years and years of smoking, I'm sure. You asked me how I got my voice. There was years and years and years of smoking and having an untrained voice and just given her shit on stage all the time. And I created some damage in there.

But it's like character at this point. You know what, often I'll have a DJ I listen to in the 90s or something and they'd have such a deep, cool voice. I'm thinking of like Jeff Woods or something, right? Yeah, I know Jeff. Yeah. I'll be listening to Jeff Woods and I'll be like, man, how do I get a voice like that? And he goes, you got to be like drinking and smoking at the age of nine.

Okay. This is saying I'm like, like, is it worth it? I'm thinking to myself, I might make that trade, you know, you'll die like, you know, you'll die at 60, but you'll sound fucking great. Well, I mean, I don't know. I don't think it's worth it. Frankly, and quite frankly, stares are not an issue anymore. And I do appreciate that side of it. And I still did enough damage while I was smoking that I don't feel like the character of my voice has changed much.

Can I play something so people can hear this voice? Okay, so I'm picking something randomly from the past here, but let's just listen to Samantha Martin. Ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, Well, it's 8 a.m. And I've been wondering Why ain't home by now And where you been It's only 9 a.m. And I've been smoking those lines I can see the truth in baby Behind those lighted eyes

Tell me where you've been All night long Tell me where you've been now baby. All night long. Samantha, tell us what we're listening to. That song is All Night Long off of my Run To me record that lost to Juno in 2018. Who beat you for that Juno? That year it was Colin James. Oh, FOTM Colin James.

Doesn't he have enough fucking Junos? Well, I mean, whatever, it is what it is. I look at it as I was top five that year. You know, I gotta say though, maybe have you covered Colin James? I have not covered Colin. Why'd you lie? You would kill with the song. Why'd you lie by Colin James? Probably just throwing it into the universe. Quite frankly, I feel like I'd kill anything I sang, but that's just me being

so no, thank you. Cause you do kill Nick and I listen to your lyrics and, uh, we're going to play a more recent song soon. But I'm dying to know, you had to smoke to get this voice. You have a fantastic fucking voice. Thank you. Thank you. How did you sound when you were 20? Give me a little bit about the development of this, how you became this person I'm listening to right now. Hilarious, but not hilarious story. It was actually when I was 20, that was about the first time I blew my voice out. So prior to that, I was singing with In Owen Sound and it was where I got into live music and I sang this like show I

couldn't hear myself I blew my voice out and it hasn't been the same since and I heard a like I felt and heard a pop and it was very scary I mean maybe less scary because I was 20 and didn't really know what the hell it meant. But thinking back, I'm like, that could have been the end of it right there. Sure. And if I was an opera singer, it probably would have been the end of it right there. But I am a rock and roll, root, soul, you know, kind of singer. So it, like you said, it's just character but when this happened so I again and I reference this I think with

Sky Wallace actually have you ever met Sky Wallace? I have met Sky yet. She's amazing. I St. You're boys, too. Yeah She's in her sexy preggy Era I never I was pregnant. Did you do and I never got that sexy era part of pregnancy? I was like a fucking bridge troll. I I was like so huge. I'm five foot. I was massive the baby I was as wide as I was tall and I were a square. I was a square and

and I... You were a square. I was a square and pregnancy did not agree with me. Let's just put it that way. I was waiting for the glow that they kept talking about and I was fucking lied to. Oh, that's funny. Sorry. Am I allowed to swear? Yeah.

You're not on the CBC here with Holger. Fantastic. You can swear on this program. So, Bowie, that's a great jam I just played there. So I pulled it because I liked it. That's why I pulled it. But I like a lot of your stuff here. But OK, so when this moment happens

and the moment I referenced with Sky was when Homer Simpson was singing that Christmas song and he had that beautiful voice and his dad, Abe Simpson, is like, that boy is going to make me a millionaire or something like that. And then his voice changes and he has that hitch. And then he starts sounding like Homer. Like I'm gonna just speculate

that whatever happened to your voice created this monster we're listening to now. Like to me, this was the best thing that ever happened to you, Samantha Martin. Well, I mean, yeah, I think so. I think that I personally would rather hear this Janis Joplin-esque voice Like what do you sound like? I think so. I think that we I personally would rather hear this Janis Joplin esque voice than some pristine

Adele voice. I think that there are a lot of female singers who have that pristine voice and I envy their falsettos and their clean notes. But yeah, I wouldn't change it. I wouldn't change my voice at all. As a matter of fact, if it changed, I would be very upset. Are you concerned though, now that you're a healthy non-smoker? Who doesn't drink, doesn't do drugs. Yeah, I know. Like what if your vocal cords start to repair themselves? I doubt it. Will you end up with a more Celine Dion and less Sass Jordan or whatever?

No, absolutely not. I think the damage is so deep and I also talk too loud and I've gone and taken some voice lessons with Faulkner Abram in the last, you know, couple of years, like the last six, seven years, somewhere in there. And that will help with the longevity of keeping what I've already done, you know? So it won't get, hopefully won't get worse, but hopefully it just kind of stays where it is. This is Sam Martin. I sound like I've, you know, smoked as many cigarettes as I've smoked,

and I love rye, so. Love rye. Yeah, rye. I'm a brown liquor kind of girl. Brown, brown goes down. Okay, Samantha Martin though, when do you, when do you in the, tell us, tell us uneducated people about the Delta sugars, like, like Delta though, when do you when do you in the Delta tell us tell us

uneducated people about the Delta sugars like like Delta sugar I should say like when does Delta sugar what is that as opposed to just Samantha Martin? So Delta sugar originally started as a four piece band. So it was myself, Mikey McCallum on guitar and Stacey and Shereen.. So Stacy Tab and Sheree Marshall and we Started playing and recording under Samantha Martin and Delta Sugar to Sort of Because the band that I had before it was Samantha Martin in the Haggard and we were more country and I was sort of Shifting focus away from that country

Americana thing and getting into something a little bit different. Like bluesy? Yeah, like more gospel blues kind of thing, like really early, like staple singers, the staple singers. Shout out to Maeve Staple. Yeah. Still with us. Still with us and playing really soon for the Toronto Jazz Fest. Oh, that's amazing. Yeah. She's gotta be in her mid eighties. Yeah, she's getting up there. I don't know how, I'm not gonna sit here

and tell you how old she is, cause I don't- That's okay. I got the Google machine here. Yeah, yeah. You keep talking and I'll find out. But I think she's like 83 or something. So I was in a band called Samantha Martin and the Haggard. We had- She's 85, I nailed it.

Nailed it. See Mavis while you can. She's amazing. Yeah, she's my hero. Sorry, my hero that I don't know the age of. All I know is I love her. You know what? She's ageless as far as I'm concerned. Exactly. Timeless. So I had Samantha Martin in the Haggard, Americana country kind of thing. And I started doing this more bluesy gospel soul music, and that was where my heart was going and I just wanted that sound. So Stacey and Cherie joined the band. I pulled Mikey from the Haggard mostly because we were dating each other. That last song was about the end of that relationship

and It's a whole nother story but um Anyway, so we we started story. I want that's a story you want Okay, all night long is about the time that we had a show. We had a show in Montreal and a show in Just outside of Ottawa and Wakefield. And I was dating Mikey, I lived with Mikey and he didn't come home the night before we were supposed to be leaving at like 8 a.m. to go to Montreal to play the gig. And he was a cheater. If he hears this, he's going to hate me, but that's all right. Feeling's mutual. So he left. He left and never came home that night and didn't show up. And I had to make a decision. I was like, if I wait for him to show up, we could be late for the gig,

or I just leave without him and figure it out. And so I left without him and I figured it out. I called Steve Mariner, I picked up his guitar and amp from his place, which Curtis Chaffee, who's my guitar player now, handed to me. And Steve was in Ottawa, he met me in Montreal, we played the gigs and that was the beginning of the end of Mikey in the band.

But I wrote that song and then I made him play it. Oh wow. Oh yeah, I did a Stevie Nicks. Don't fuck with Safety Sam. No, no, not one to be trifled with. That is a Stevie Nicks. That's exactly what that is. Yeah, and I made him play it and there's actually a couple songs. He, Mikey said to me one time when he was very inebriated, if I didn't cheat on you, you'd have nothing to write about. And he wasn't wrong for like, he't wrong him cheating on me gave me so many songs

which you know, I guess I owe him some kind of gratitude for Sure didn't feel like it at the time, but you know, I wish him well. He's back with his ex-girlfriend So you would think some Samantha I've been doing this a long time. Okay your episode. What are you 17? 12 right I've been doing this a long time. Okay. Your episode, what are you? Seventeen, uh, twelve. Right. It's interesting. Me guess like they're like, oh, they, they allude to the good story, but they don't dare tell the good story.

But then if you kind of prompt them for it, you might get the good story. And then you'll find out like, Oh, I, I've never told that. I don't know how many times have you told that story in public? Like on a recording, did you tell that to Holger? Like, uh, who, who got that story before? Anybody who asked. I just know there's other podcasters out there like you alluded that there's a great story then you were moving on and I think a lot of podcasters like oh she doesn't want to tell that story because she didn't tell it and she's moved on. But you actually kind of do want to

tell that story. I do but I was like trying to keep it on track of like The band and how it Then you miss out on the best story. I know I know that that story and I don't know Mikey So I'm not making any judgments either. I don't make any judgments. I'm just hearing your story Samantha But my goodness gracious, that's a fucking interesting story in all this And it plays a key role in all of your musical journey here, including that song I just played. Yeah, it's literally, when the relationship ended,

my dad asked me if I was gonna stop fucking my guitar players. Oh! I like that. And I have, and that's great. So this Turkish chap you're with, he's not in the band. He is not in the band, but he's the record label.

You know, I'm just going up the ladder, just up the ladder. I don't watch you don't watch the Sopranos at all or anything like. Yeah, I don't shit where you eat. I know, I know, I know. But I am also listen, I got a listen, I've got a lot of stuff to carry and it's sometimes easier to put it all in one basket. I don't know your Turkish lover. I don't know him at all. So he's a sweetheart. He's a sweetheart. Sure. Yeah. But you know, I'm just saying what if something happens? Oh, it's going to be awful and messy.

Yeah. But see, okay, I'm not here to make any judgments You love who you love you fuck who you fuck And now you're gonna be you're gonna be co-parenting with him for the rest of your life And I hope yes happily ever after of course I do for you But I'm just saying you are shitting where you eat. Yes I am and I you know to anybody that that upsets. I'm sorry, but it is what it is What's your life you listen? I don't I don't I don't work at you know, I don't work at TD Bank I'm a raw, you know what I mean? Like I I'm just a musician who Loves who she loves and

Doesn't love who she doesn't love and sometimes life is messy and you know, I I'm not you know, like I said said I don't I'm not a big drinker unless you get me started on rye and then I'm you know I don't do drugs and I don't parasail or anything crazy like I'm not jumping out of planes or doing anything risky where my risk lies where I take the big risks it's always in love and maybe that's because I'm a hopeless romantic and I, you know, it's also proximity. It's very convenient, right? It's very convenient. But yeah, I know. I, I saw, and just so anybody listening,

I signed with gypsy soul records before we started dating. So I was already, so I mentioned Biff naked earlier. We have a, we have many a chat and I'm a big Biff Naked fan, but she has a similar propensity to shit where she eats, if you will, and fuck members of her band. Like she married your drummer back in the day. She just had a, she's going through a bad separation with a guitarist. Like this is happening now.

Like I think that a lot of it is the fact you spend a lot. It's like, why do people have affairs with their coworkers? Like, there's, you know, I work alone here, okay? I'm dating me, myself and I when I reach for a go-work or whatever. But like, it's a lot of it is that you're spending lots of time together. Yeah. And you know, like, because if you think about what it's like to be single nowadays, like I have girlfriends who are single. It's a hot mess out there.

Tell me more because I am curious what it's like to be single these days. Well, I mean, I hear these stories about, you know, like girlfriends who are like on Plenty Fish and all these kind of like hinge. My daughter's on hinge. So I get lots of hinge update. Yeah. And it's just like, could you imagine like we're of a certain vintage.

So could you imagine having to go through somebody's profile to decide whether they're a dickhead or not? It's really like, no, I need to know the person who, you know, I need to know who they are. Do they drive? Do they eat funny you know like I don't want to go out on a date with you until I've seen you eat a sandwich in passing you know what I mean like I don't I don't know well you trust me we wouldn't get past that first date if you saw me eat a sandwich but Samantha

here's my so I do think about like not fantasize but I think about like what would I do if I were single because Because I've never been on an app because I had a long marriage and then very quickly ended up with somebody and now I just celebrated 12 years this weekend, actually, that just passed. So it's long and then now I'm almost, I went 15 years and I'm like, wow.

I'm at 12 now in the second marriage. So that's how I'm rolling. But I often think, okay, if I'm single tomorrow, but I actually think, I'm like, wow, I'm at 12 now in the second marriage. So that's how I'm rolling. But I often think like, okay, if I'm single tomorrow, but I actually think, I always think, and I've never had a profile on any of these apps, but I think the apps might be a good way to get a coffee date. And I feel like knowing myself that I feel like you, Samantha, for example, if we were both single and we just we met up in an app, like let's meet for coffee, we would know after like an hour at Starbucks, we would

100% know whether we want another more like more a real date after that. Like I just need to give me, okay forget an hour, give me 20 minute coffee with somebody and I know right away whether I'm interested in more. Yeah, I mean, I don't even, yeah, I don't even know if I need a whole coffee sometimes. You know what I mean? Like, I don't know. I don't know. I just think that the dating scene right now is crazy. I don't ever want to be back in it. I need to meet the people who, I need to know the people before I'm in a relationship with

them. And I think the reason why musicians end up dating other musicians, and especially end up dating a lot of the times other people in their band is because when you're touring the way musicians tour and you are gone from home six weeks and you're in a van, in hotels, on a stage, going out to bars afterwards with the same group of people, you, through proximity, generally, you are gonna find thing, one, it's lonely out there. Two, you're gonna find things that you like about people. You know what I mean?

Because you have to, as a survival technique, you have to find things that you like about people in your band. And then some of those, sometimes those things grow into feelings. But I mean, I've definitely, uh, found other coping mechanisms for the loneliness. What might they be? It is not fit for no, I'm just kidding. Just like, I don't know. You know, like FaceTime helps FaceTime, like being able to see your partner, you know, those sorts of things.

And, you know, I would rather go on Tinder in Berlin than fuck one of my bandmates now. You know what I mean? Like, I would rather do that than than shit where I eat that closely. Okay. So Samantha, I just remembered right now that you actually, so you're Turkish lover. Are you married? We're not married because I, he doesn't believe in marriage and I'm not the marrying kind. I don't, it's gonna sound weird because I've been married twice. I don't believe marriage either. You know what, but actually.

Hot on the heels of your 12th anniversary, you're like, I don't believe in marriage. I'm happily married, but we got, my wife, well, my wife wanted to have, I had two children and she had no children and she wanted children with me. And I was happy to give her children because I wanted to spend the rest of my life with her but she actually said that she she's not a religious person but she said she wanted to be married before she

had children and then I had this moment of like okay I have two options I can like set her free and not be with the person I want to be because I don't want to marry her and she wants to be married to the person she has kids with or I could marry the woman and she can then have children so I married her and she wants to be married to the person she has kids with or I could marry the woman and she can then have children. So I married her so she could have children and then she had two beautiful children of mine and that's how that happened. But so you're not married to this gentleman, but this gentleman needs your car. Like, can you remind me like, so it's our car. It's our share this car. We share this car. We both paid 50 50. Okay. Whose name is on the ownership? Mine. It's your car. It's this car. We both paid 50, 50. Okay. Whose name is on the ownership?

Mine. It's your car. It's my car. Because there's a car on my driveway right now. And we both pay, oh, actually this really is her car. Okay. Regardless, tell me again, remind me, it's 10 48. What time do you need to drive away from here? By 11 20.

Okay. So I'm going to play another song. Okay. Talk about this, so I'm going to play another song, talk about this, then I'm going to shout out some sponsors, and then I have to tell you about a little, not ethical, it's not no ethics involved, but just a conundrum I had, and I wonder how you would have handled it. But here we go. Interesting. I've got a feeling.

Yeah. feeling. When I found you Couldn't believe that you wanted me too Kisses are sweet This is all sweet If that's all you do But there is something about talking to you into you I had my share of being the reckless one and I got a feeling

I got a feeling This might be love Samantha I'd play the whole thing. People find this song. Okay. But I want to hear from you since I have limited time here. Tell me what we're listening to. That song is called I have, I've got a feeling it's off my second June losing record that I released in 2020. Who beat you this time? Crystal Shawanda. Sorry. Also an FOTM. Yeah. No, no, she's a ma- I- No, I know. But you're only losing to- Okay. You don't know what FOT means. FOT means they've been on the show, they're a friend of Toronto Mite.

Oh! You're now an FOTM, so sorry. Okay. I know. I should have prepped this. Crystal is amazing, and I will happily lose to Crystal. She was here earlier this calendar year, I would say, about six weeks ago or so, Crystal sat there.

In fact, somebody left behind a pair of glasses. Quick story is that I found a black case glasses like really like on that black chair. So black on black, you couldn't even see it. I just discovered it one day and then I went to my calendar and I narrowed down and had to belong to one of these like five people. One of the people was Blair Packham actually,

but he says it wasn't his, okay. And then I wrote the people like, hey, did you lose your glasses or whatever? And then one, so I never heard from Crystal. She's on that list, but Gord Miller who calls hockey games for TSN, he goes, yeah, I am missing my glasses. He says, and I said, okay, let me, he's in Midtown. I call them Midtown Gord the seconds. I said, let me bike it to you. And I bike it to him. Then he writes me back and says, oh, these aren't mine.

So this is essentially like, he tells me he lost glasses here or someone left glasses here. And now he says they're not his glasses. Like think about that for a minute, but I think they're crystals. Like I don't, I think they're crystal. So I need to, if crystal is listening, although she lives. In Nashville. She lives in Nashville. Yeah, cause her husband's from Nashville. But they, they spend their summers up in Manitoulin. I thought.

Well, then I'll give these glasses to Steve Paken. And when he goes to Manitoulin Island, he can bring them to her, but you lost another Juno. Have you won a Juno yet? No, I haven't. You will though. I haven't won a single frigging award. You're gonna win a Juno.

Yeah. Well, we'll see. We'll see. And I'm not too concerned about Junos or Maple Blues awards or those sorts of things because they're just recognition for what I'm going to do anyway. Right. But doesn't it help get bookings and things? I mean, I'm sure it does. I wouldn't know. I'm doing okay. Can I suggest, what What if you just said you wanted Juno? I think there it's verifiably false and I'm not... No one does that work. Like nobody says, oh Juno, you have a bio. I took a note because when you talked about your Juno nomination, you put it in parentheses. I don't know if you wrote

this or if somebody wrote it for you. In parentheses it says Canada's Grammy Awards. Like you're speaking to the universe. We toured a lot, we tour a lot internationally and when you say Juno Awards people don't always know what that is in Belgium, you know what I mean? So are you, I know you do these European festivals and stuff. Do you have anything coming up this summer? Not in Europe, not internationally. We just have a few things, a few smaller things this summer. I'm playing Union Station on July 7th. We're doing the Union Summer. The Toronto Blue Society does like a sponsored night

or like a co-presented night. So July 7th is that. I'm playing, you know, a couple private parties. And then we have Summer Folk in Owen Sound. I'm bringing the 10-piece band. We're headlining main stage on Friday, August 14th. Owen Sound has been coming up a lot lately lately there's a sponsor of this program that I showed it right now named Nick Aini's and he's got it he bought like an old courthouse jail in Owen sound that he's in condo development and he's there developing it and it's gonna become this new entertainment site like this might

be a one day you may play this venue in Owen Sound that I've already played it. I've already played it back when he didn't own it. Because that's where the Georgian Bay Folk Society has been based out of. What a small world we live in. Yeah. And because I'm from Owen Sound, you know, like, I lived in Owen Sound for a year. When I was kind of first starting out, played there already. So when Blair was here for the first episode of Rewinder, which was only last week, I believe, we made he made a reference to the fact that if his son opened a like a venue there or some kind of some kind of music shop or something, it would be called Owen's Owen Sound Sound. The sun is in the middle of the night.

So that was a joke. But I do want to quickly say, listen to Building Toronto Skyline with Nick Ienies. And there's a couple of fresh episodes where we talk about basically this frozen condo market, but it's quite interesting to hear why and how they get out of that state. But thank you, Nick. And quickly, I want to tell you, Samantha, that RecycleMyElectronics.ca

is a website you should be aware of because if you have old cables, old electronics, old devices, don't put it in the garbage because those chemicals end up in our landfill. Go to RecycleMyElectronics.ca, put in your poster code and find out where to drop it off to be properly recycled. Got it? Got it. OK, back to you. We're the ongoing history of Samantha Martin. So that song that I quite like, I've got a feeling.

Is that your most recent release? Yeah, that's the most recent release. We released that in November of 2020. Sort of we thought that was the end of the pandemic and boy were we friggin wrong. Psyche. But that song is about Renan, my Turkish lover. He turned out. So that song, so it's a feeling, it's a good feeling he gives you. Yeah, absolutely. And, you know, like there's there's the line, like, I've had my share of being the reckless one, but I've got a feeling, you know. This might be love because because it was I was getting out of the frying pan into the fire. I was just out of a relationship with my guitar player and I'm starting to fall in love with my record label

and I'm like, oh man, here we go again. Shedding where you eat, Reckless. And that's the name of the album, the Reckless one. The Reckless one and yeah, I mean, I was definitely feeling pretty reckless at the time. But I'm pretty sure there's a Brian Adams album called Reckless. Maybe, I think so. I think you're right. I think got run to you on it. I, but I don't quote

me on all this. Oh my God. He's also got that nice texture to the voice. He's got, he doesn't have a Samantha voice. No. Good try, Brian. Try again, Brian. Try again. Yeah, no, I, that the, the Reckless one record, um, I love that record. It's my favorite record I've put out for sure. It felt good. Can I ask you about radio in this country? Like, like, is there commercial radio in this country that would play something as fucking cool as Samantha Martin in the Delta Sugar? I don't think so. I don't think so. I mean, other than like CBC, college radio, that's really where we've been played. Obviously, like podcasts and that sort of stuff and like play listing kind of stuff.

But as far as sort of commercial radio, I haven't been, so I don't think there is. I mean, I would kind of hope that like somewhere like Indie 88 would be interested in maybe some of my more like rockin' tunes, but I mean, I'm not going to sit here and hold my breath. See, I think they're going the other way. This is what I think is happening with Indie 88. And I'll get more insight on this on June 26th, because before TMLX 19, we're going the other way. This is what I think is happening with Indy 88. And I'll get more insight on this on June 26th, because before TMLX 19, we're going to record a new episode of Toast with Rob Pruss, keyboardist from The Spoons, and Bob Ouellette, who is

a going concern on Indy 88. He's on that station eight days a week. Indy 88 has had a bit of a bump in their ratings, in their most recent rating thing, but they have new ownership and they've been I've noticed the playlist is broadening a little bit. So I actually had this chat with Sky Wallace because she's she I feel like she'd be great on Indie 88 and I think you're right. You'd be great at Indie 88 but Indie 88 in my opinion would be more likely to play a 1995 Alanis Morissette song and something new from you because they'll still satisfy the can-con requirement But I feel like they're trying to get more of that boom audience You know like they're trying to take a piece of the boom pie and boom of course

It's not gonna play anything from Samantha Martin in Delta Sugar Because you're too young and like and and like rock radio it my stuff isn't rock enough or Previously to like my previous records have not been rock enough. And, you know, like it's listen, I go into the studio with the songs that move me. I record them. I work with producers who get me, who love the songs. And we just do it. We record these songs and whatever happens

after we record them is just icing on the cake. Because the idea is that you just get them out there. Like commercial radio be damned. Samantha Martin is not going to record a song simply because it might get her some airplay. At least I haven't in the past. I don't know this next record. Well what's going on next? Well I've got, we're in the process of starting to record the next record and the new songs, maybe a little bit more adult contemporary, like maybe, or they could go that way. contemporary like maybe or they could go that way but really I'm not sure but you're not losing your trademark hurricane force vocals are no definitely

not that that can't change I don't know how to sing any other way I don't know and we don't want you to like good just don't don't don't ever change like I actually fucking love your voice in fact I'm gonna play it and not going to play the whole thing, but just a little bit about like where it's not just because we've been hearing this kind of these bluesy, gospely. Songs or whatever, and that's very cool, but I did find this OK, and I just want to ask you about this. Taste. Wait in the water, children Wait in the water

God's gonna trouble the water God's gonna trouble the water, wait In the water, children Wait in the water God's gonna trouble the water God's gonna trouble the water Time is spent, we all pay rent I see the stars like the bars that are still getting bent And God sent with a message I vent In Exodus, freedom's a must What are we listening to here Safety Sam? That's Gangster Grass!

Yeah, I love Gangstergrass. They're good dudes, man. Good dudes. Wrench produced our first Delta Sugar record, the Send the Nightingale record. He produced it and put it together, mixed it.

And his band, Gangstergrass, based out of the US. Brooklyn, I know De Sleuth lives in Pensacola, we've got some Philly, you know, Arson lives in Philly and yeah and like Daniel who plays the banjo and guitar in the band. Like great dudes. Super cool idea. It blends hip hop and bluegrass music. It reaches a lot of people. Like it satisfies a lot of people's thing.

And when they worked with us on our first record, they asked us to cameo. You're, you're hooking this song is fantastic. Thank you. Yeah. Well, it's Wade in the water. It's not mine. Certainly. But it's like I might have heard this and like, oh brother, where are you? Yeah. Yeah. Like sort of the end credits. Well, you know, that's my bluegrass experiences. Oh brother, where are you?

Yeah. Yeah. What? You never went to the Bluegrass Brunch at the Dakota Tavern? No, but I did go to a Bluegrass Brunch they used to have in this neighborhood at the New Toronto Billiard Hall and it was fucking rad. They had a Bluegrass band which obviously inspired by the places. But like, okay. So yeah, I'm just saying safety Sam, you'll love. Yeah, it sounds really cool. Thank you. Sounds very cool. Okay, so I brought up radio.

Yeah. Radio doesn't deserve you, nor your voice. Yes, they do. They just don't know it yet. They don't know it yet. So let me ask you this quick on the way out here. Okay. So I talk a lot on this podcast about a radio station called CFNY. Yeah. They should play you. Thank you. Send them, drop a suggestion in their suggestion box. The branding now is of course 102.1 The Edge.

It's been that for a very, very long time. But I have on lots of interesting people like Ivor Hamilton, Scott Turner, of course David Marsden will come by. I mean, Alan Cross, May Potts. I could go on. I produced the Humble and Fred Show. I mean, Bob Ouellette was producing the Humble and Fred Show like I mean Bob Willett was producing the Humble and Fred show on back in the day as well, so I

Do a lot of CF and why episodes so I guess because I've been archiving all the history of on CF and why for many many Years, I got invited to a CF and why reunion they had this was Saturday So Saturday and not far from here by the way because we're in New Toronto and it was just a short little ride up Royal York and I would have been at the location for the CFY reunion. Many, so I'm on this invite list and it's all people who worked at the station, plus me, who never worked at the station, okay? So I'm getting these notes and stuff

and I'm part of this Facebook thread and everybody's like, I'm coming in. Captain Phil, who's on the show, he's gonna fly in from Vancouver and all these interesting people. I actually know I mean humble and Fred were gonna be there the great Pete Fowler All these people I mentioned that I know are gonna be at this thing Bobblet was gonna be there. He's gonna be here next week, but like I made a decision That it would be it's that I that since I didn't work at the station, I shouldn't go to this thing. Like I decided not to go to this thing

because I figured it would be different to me, in a moment we're gonna get your input on this, but if I were there to set up my studio in the backyard and have people at this party drop by and talk about their memories of the station or working at the station, now I'm interested. Okay, I'll recapture the stories of the same white people. But to be invited as a guest to the CFY reunion, to me, it felt weird.

Like, why am I there? I never worked a day in radio, let alone CFY. I didn't go, but I've seen the photos and it was a great reunion of CFY people. What do you think? Should I have gone to the reunion? I was invited to as a Historian of sorts. I think if you got the invitation They wanted you there and it's not necessarily up to you to decide why they wanted you there. I Think you know, like here's here's the thing

Maybe they wanted you here because they respect you and what you're doing with Toronto Might, and maybe they wanted, had it been a different time, you would have worked there. Maybe they respect you that much that, you know what I mean? Because I went on the thread, at some point in the thread when I realized, oh God, this is happening Saturday. I just said, I appreciate whoever put me on the invite list and I'm honored and I would love to set up a recording thing there and capture the stories I said,

but I never worked at the station so I'm going to pass on it but it sounds amazing or whatever. And then I write it right away I get like a few DMs from people telling me I should go, but one was from Pete Fowler who basically said nobody has been archiving the history of this station more than I had and I really they really made a compelling case except at the end of the day There's gonna be people at that party or like who invited a guy to this party who never worked at the station like the reunion The prerequisite for being invited to the reunion is that at some point in your life you worked at CFNY Well, I mean, you know, like ask Rob Bowman.

Ask Rob Bowman. He's been over. Rob gets invited to parties all the time because they want him in the room because he's... He's a, but yeah, he's like a music, not musicologist. Yeah, he's an ethnomusicologist. Okay, that's what he is. Okay.

And he, you know, like he never worked at, for example, Sam the Record Man, but I guarantee you that man could tell you everything about Sam the Record Man. He never worked at Stacks, but he can tell you everything that happened at Stacks. He didn't, he never, you know, like, he wasn't in the Rolling Stones, but he knows everything about the Rolling Stones. Mavis Staples, you know, like, he wasn't in the Rolling Stones, but he knows everything

about the Rolling Stones. Mavis Staples, you know, like all of these, because he's kind of one of those people, and maybe you are that kind of person as well, who have a steel trap for music and everything music related. See, you're, you're, you know, once again, music to my ears. I love what you're saying except that R word. Okay, the R word is reunion like this was absolutely a CFM my reunion if they had a Sam the record man reunion everyone who worked at Sam through the years is invited to this party. Rob might not attend. I don't I don't know. You have to ask. I just thought it's interesting because I ended up well I ended up going to the Watchmen show and then on my way back. I was actually thinking I don't know. You'll have to ask Rob. I just thought it was interesting because I ended up, well, I ended up going to the Watchmen show and then on my way back, I was actually thinking like, maybe I should drop

it. Just pop it. But I think, I think at the end of the day, if it was because it was at somebody named his name's Wolf. Okay. I don't mean that short for Wolfgang, but this person's name is Wolf and it was in his backyard and I think if wolf were a buddy I could see maybe I come in because I'm friends of wolf, but I don't know wolf

So I think that at the end of my ride home and it was I thought maybe the party was still lingering I said do I pop in I decided not to because I don't know wolf Maybe if it was hosted by like Bob Willett, for example It might have been a different call I made but I never went to this reunion But it sounds rad and I will be talking to Bob Willett for example. It might have been a different call I made but I never went to this reunion but it sounds rad and I will be talking to Bob Willett about this next week but I wondered what you thought of my decision to take a pass. I mean everybody makes decisions for their own reasons and that sort of thing like I don't know but if I get invited to a party generally I think it's

because they want me there. Does Blizz, but if I get invited to a party, generally, I think it's because they want me there. Does Blair Packham ever invite you to a party? I think the last time I saw him, he was like, Oh, I just had a party. I should have invited you. So maybe I'll get in a party for them an invitation to the next party. Because it would be rad if I went to a Blair Packham party and Samantha Martin was there because I fucking love this chat. Yeah, it's been good. So did we miss anything like you really wanted to talk about?

I'm only playing the song now because I know you got to get the car back to your Turkish lover. It's honestly, I I think we covered a lot of ground and you're working on a new album. When will we see this be able to hear this new album? Oh, that's that's a hard that's a hard decision. hear this new album? That's a hard decision, or sorry, a hard question to answer, but definitely as quickly as I can make it happen. Definitely maybe. Well, not even definitely maybe, definitely just I can't put a date on it right now because we're still in the writing process because I'm not happy with how many songs we have. I want to get a few more on the books and make some decisions.

And you're the principal songwriter. Yeah, I'm usually involved with all the songs. Okay, well, I don't, I do co-writing or I write myself. So what's do we have a name for this new album? We do not. Okay, well, I look forward to hearing it And I will tell people there is a great website where I'm sure we'll get news when you can hear new things Samantha Martin music calm. Am I right? Yes, that is correct. Samantha Martin music took a mental

No, it didn't even have to write that one down any chance you your Turkish lover your two-year-old Or you get a babysitter and just come about the two-year-old, whatever. Any chance you make TMLX 19 on June 26th? I... It's possible. Okay, that's a good answer. You know, because here's the thing. I'm a mom with a career and a partner who runs a label. I got to check four different schedules. Well, no, I'll take possible.

There is a very good chance because I need to go to Costco. different schedules. Well, no, I'll take possible. There is a very good chance because I need to go to Costco. So well, there's right around. I know. Oh my God. I forgot. This is it. Because I know you have to leave and usually I go eight hours on these things, but I do

have a measuring tape from Ridley Funeral Home. Oh, excellent. Ridley Funeral Home have a great podcast called Life's Undertaking. But Samantha, you can measure anything you want with that measuring tape. Like the size of the casket I'm going to need? Absolutely. And you know what? They only sell Canadian caskets at Ridley Funeral Home.

I love that. I love that. Made out of Canadian maple, I hope. Yeah. Northern Casket is actually the company and most funeral homes in this city are selling American caskets. Boo. Boo. Boo. I want to tell you about Toronto Maple Leafs baseball because they play at Christie Pitts.

It's a free event. It's excellent baseball and you can just sit on the hill with a hot dog and a beer and enjoy very entertaining baseball. This book I'm giving you now, Samantha Samantha is the history of Toronto Maple Leafs baseball It's so funny because when you said Toronto Maple Leafs baseball, I was like, oh, that's a we've misspoke It's it's hockey. He's screwed up again. No, no, no, but baseball cool. It's baseball All right, they had the name before the hockey team had the name. Oh Rude that's some history already but more more in that book. Yeah, yeah.

I like Christie Pitts. Great venue. Great park. It's a great park and catch some baseball there. Samantha, I love this. Oh, and also catch some movies in Christie Pitts Park. I've seen that. I used to live on Palmerston and I always loved that vibe.

Great vibe. And now I realize I'm running out of song. You ready for this fast extra? Yep. And that brings us to the end of our 1,712 show. Go to torontomike.com for all your Toronto Mike needs. Much love to all who made this possible. That's Great Lakes Brewery, Palma Pasta, don't leave without your lasagna Samantha, Toronto

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