Toronto Mike'd: The Official Toronto Mike Podcast - Sarah Boesveld KOTJ: Toronto Mike'd #278

Episode Date: November 1, 2017

Mike and Sarah play and discuss her ten favourite songs.

And right now, right now, right now it's time to... Take out the jams, motherfuckers! I'm in Toronto where you wanna get the city love I'm from Toronto where you wanna get the city love I'm a Toronto Mike, wanna get the city love My city love me back, for my city love Welcome to episode 278 of Toronto Miked, a weekly podcast about anything and everything. Proudly brought to you by Great Lakes Brewery, a fiercely independent brewery

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spot. Download the app today from paytm.ca. I'm Mike from TorontoMike.com and joining me this week is senior writer at Chatelaine, Sarah Bosveld.

Welcome, Sarah. Who knows when I'll next be able to bring out a jam like this. Oh, my God. Thank you for visiting me today. I heard this a lot as a kid. I really did. I'll bet. Sarah, you have an H on Sarah.

That's right. That's like a biblical Sarah. Yes. There's no H on the back of this Sarah. No. So it's not really me, but when I was a kid, I was like, oh, sure, you want to sing a song? Great.

I'll rock out to that. Here it comes. You have a good voice. I can't help it. You have a great voice. More on that in a bit. I've heard your voice. I can't help it. I have to say. You have a great voice. More on that in a bit. I've heard your voice. Oh, really?

Oh, God. Now, you're here to kick out the jams, but we're going to have a good chat before that. But these are not your jams, I should point out to the listening audience. But Fred Patterson from the Humble and Fred show, he came over and kicked out the jams. This was one of his jams. I was going to say, did he just pick songs that were named after Fred? Right said Fred, but that's not a Fred song, is it? I can't think of any. I was going to say, did he just pick songs that were named after Fred? Wright said Fred, but that's not a Fred song,

is it? Maybe. I can't think of any. I'm too sexy? When I feel cold, you warm me. This is a jam, though. And when I feel I can't go on,

you come and hold me. We'll give him until the chorus here. And me forever Sarah Smile Again, though, no H on this, Sarah. I know, I know.

We need a song about Sarah with an H. Yet to be written. If you feel like leaving Man, I'm in a good mood tonight. This is the second Kick Out the Jams in a row where we did it in an evening because I normally record during the day, and it's a different vibe. But at night, that's jam kicking time. Everyone's feeling like they've worked all day. Let's just let loose and jam.

No, I'm feeling good. So many questions for you off the top, though. But let's start by you telling me, what the heck is newsapalooza oh my god newsapalooza is i obsessively tell people about newsapalooza it is a battle of the bands that a number of media outlets in toronto take part in every single year at the opera house which i know is the east end you're a west end guy but the East End is where it's at. But it's barely. Yeah, Queen and Broadview kind of thing.

So you're right, it's just over the Don. Yeah, you're right, of course. But it's been around for, I think, over a decade now. Jonathan Jenkins from the Toronto Sun, who used to be the Queen's Park correspondent, he kicked it off to raise money for Children's Aid Foundation. Jonathan Jenkins, unfortunately, passed away from cancer a few years back. And so it's a memorial event where we celebrate just, you know,

obviously raising money for an amazing cause, but also it's just a night where everybody in the business can get together and let loose and compete in a friendly competition for this hilarious, bedazzled trophy. It's the Jonathan Jenkins Memorial Trophy. Okay.

And who won last year? Conrad Black Sabbath won. That's a good name. Yes. What publication is behind that group? Well, it's a National Post product. It came about, and I used to work at the National Post, so I am in Conrad Black Sabbath.

I sing for Conrad Black Sabbath. And you're still in Conrad Black Sabbath. Yes, because Conrad Black Sabbath. And you're still in Conrad Black Sabbath. Yes, because the rules of Nuzapalooza are pretty loose in that you don't necessarily have to be working at that publication at the time. But, you know, we have, so Chatelaine is a Rogers publication, and so we also have a drummer

who's from Rogers to Andrew Tolson, who plays with us. So it's pretty chill that way. But I do have that affiliation with the Post. So I know a little about Newsapalooza because I follow a lot of journalists and ink-stained wretches on Twitter. And I'll occasionally, for example, Doolittle. Robin Doolittle. Robin Doolittle. On the committee for Newsapalooza as well.

Yeah. Yes. Very cool. Okay, cool. So you're still... She's hosting this year, actually. Robin Doolittle on the committee for Musa Palooza as well yeah very cool she's hosting this year actually her and Michelle Shepard they're both total badasses and it's going to be a lot of fun it's Friday who's going to be your big competition do you think

oh well so Robin Doolittle usually performs with the Globe and Mail band Fun with Discipline and they're not performing this year. The Star isn't performing this year. So we're like, oh my gosh, who's going to play with us? Well, they have stuff going on, other stuff going on. But CTV has a band that they've just created

called Highway to Bell, which is very clever. And their national anchor, Lisa Laflamme, is supposed to be coming out and performing towards the end of their set. And then CBC is adding a band this year. They're called the Riffs Estate. Who's in that band? I don't actually know.

I don't know. I didn't recognize anybody. There's no... Lisa Laflamme was sort of the famous one for the CTV band. But there's just so many people who work at those broadcasters. Okay, so the Opera House, and you said it was Friday night? It's Friday night. Doors at 7. Connor Black Sabbath starts the show this year. So it's always a random draw of and you said it was Friday night. It's Friday night doors at seven.

Connor Black Sabbath starts the show this year. So it's always a random draw of who gets to go in what order. And last year we closed the show. So this year we're going to pull like a Jay-Z and Beyonce at the 2014 Grammys and like open it with a bang. So that starts at eight. So you want to get there for eight to see us. And we're always a ridiculous show. Like we just have a concept or satirical. We're sort of making commentary. We're having a lot of fun. We always play some Sabbath too. That's cool.

How many, I think you might have told me this, but now remind me, how many years have we had Newsapalooza? I'm on the committee and it's terrible that I don't remember. But it's at least 12. Wow. Yeah. It's an institution. I wonder, I guess my buddy Ed Keenan's not going to be he used to be he used to perform because he's coming over to kick out the jams i just chatted with him

the other day yeah he was in the star band um when he yeah a few years back yeah and they always he looks like he could uh belt out a tune he can he can and it's so much fun to see these people that you read and you watch on tv or whatever just kind kind of be their kooky, create themselves that way. I don't work for the mainstream media, but like if I did, I'd make my organization put a band in this thing. Oh, yeah. It's such a good cause. And it's so good for morale too.

And things are, you know, tricky in different areas of the business as we all try to figure out how to make money. And it's just, you know, the one thing we do know how to make money for is the children's aid foundation and it goes towards scholarships and it's like such a great time and such a good vibe in there and you could sing i can't a little not oh here let me okay i'm gonna play something hold on here hold on let's hear what i have here you've been mining YouTube or what? A little bit. A little bit. Oh, yeah. I recognize those chords.

Yes. Really high up on the front board. This is very amateur. We're about to hear you belt out some uh some landslide but not billy corgan style more dixie checks right yeah that's right a lot of covers of that song it's not a good recording i'm not we'll get the gist here. And I saw my reflection in a snow-covered field On a landslide

Sounds good. I mean, you should hear me do landslides. I do a landslide. It doesn't sound anywhere near as good as this. Maybe we can sing it later. Here's another one I want to just play because I thought there's some interesting context to this. So let me play. Okay. All right. Oh, this was, oh God. This is the night before my wedding. Right. Curse my friends who post things on YouTube. Dolly, not Whitney.

Dolly wrote that song. Dolly wrote that song. Not everybody knows that. I was at Guns N' Roses the other day, okay? And they did Live and Let Die, okay? And then my buddy beside me, Elvis, who's like my, he's old like me. You have a buddy named Elvis? Yeah, well, it's not his real name,

but that's what we all call him. And then he looks at me and he goes, I'll bet you most people think that's a Guns N' Roses original. And I almost slapped him. I don't think anyone thinks that. Am I naive? If you're enough of a Gunners fan to be at Guns N' Roses, there's no chance you think Live and Let Die is a Guns N' Roses original.

You know, I don't even know the original of that. It's the band. It's Paul McCartney, and it was for like a James Bond movie. And then I was thinking of that song. I mean, I'm sure there are some very young people who only know the Whitney version and things, the Whitney song. But most people of a certain age are aware that it's a Dolly Parton,

a cover of a Dolly Parton song. And speaking of Elvis, did you know that Elvis wanted to cut that song? Did you know that? No, I didn't. Oh my gosh. Elvis wanted to cut that song and Dolly, and they were like, yeah, but you're going to have to sign over all the rights cut that song. Did you know that? No, I didn't. Oh my gosh. Elvis wanted to cut that song and Dolly,

and they were like, yeah, but you're going to have to sign over all the rights to that song. And Dolly's like, oh, hell no. She knows that she's worth that woman. I love that woman, by the way. I think she's so savvy

and funny and down to earth. Yes. And a great singer. And underestimated. She makes fun of her boobs all the time, but she knows that that's just a way to get people to sort of follow everything else that that's just a way to to get

people to sort of follow everything else that she's about which is awesomeness yeah but she's like made so much money off that song and she just keeps writing and writing and i'm obsessed with her she's awesome yeah she's amazing i'm a big dolly fan uh i hope i'm not i don't know i haven't looked at your list of jams yet i hope we hear more of her i don't know i don't want to do any spoilers so let's talk about, you meant, so of course now let's get you to Shadow Lane. So where does your,

like, first of all, like you start at the star. Is that like an internship? Tell me about that. So I went to Ryerson for an undergrad journalism, a bachelor of journalism. And I came from a small town in Eastern Ontario,

moved to Toronto for the first time. You got a name drop the town. Oh, it's called Burrits Rapids I'm very popular there no no I don't know my parents didn't know who you were as well Burrits Rapids Burrits Rapids it's right on the Rideau Canal system near south of Ottawa so small town girl moved to Toronto and journalism school and I met some great people there and I got involved in the eye opener shout out to the eye opener it's Ryerson's independent paper and so I got some experience there and and I got a job in in the Toronto Star radio room and that was back then they still have this room we call the the box it was like the radio room where you're listening to the police scanners and you're trying to figure out like what's the story what's something that on my overnight shift

I should call this assignment I learned wake them up you know like what's news like so that was really where I learned that um and it was such an awesome place to do that and I think the technology's changed immensely now it's like they're looking at Twitter and they're looking at Facebook I follow TPS on Twitter and I'll get like like like down the street, some guy with a knife. You know what I mean? Like, yeah. Sort of replaced that old radio caller. Yeah. Yeah. So you're at the star and then you move on from, you've been everywhere. I feel like I should break into some Johnny Cash, but you went from the star to the globe. Yeah. So that was a summer internship. So that, well, actually I'm between the star and the globe i was at the ottawa citizen and that was a really important moment for me that was like sort of my hometown paper region and that's where i covered some politics i did some more crime coverage and

and so you know those clippings which were really important for getting me an internship at the globe and mail and so i was i started there and i started with news um back then you kind of did news and then you went to another section. So for me, it was a life section and that was a new section back then. It was so exciting because it was very timely and relevant and fresh, but it was also still lifestyle-y.

And so I ended up spending a year on a contract there and then back onto the night desk at The Globe because I wanted to do more direct news reporting. So that's where I finished her up at The Globe. And you mentioned off the top that you up at the Globe. And you mentioned off the top that you worked at the, well, you're still singing for the National Post. A part of your heart is still there. Why not start a new band with Chatelaine? I could, you know, we brainstormed a couple of years ago what, you know, band names we could

come up with. And then I was like, yeah, does anybody play anything? And it was a little tough to find someone who was beyond a French horn kind of thing, which would be rad. I would love to play it about the French horn. Or a triangle or a cowbell. Yeah, maybe we could all pull in nylons or something and do an acapella. I don't know, but not yet.

So you make the move to the National Post. And how long are you at the Post for? Oh, I was there for five years. So that was like the longest I've been anywhere. A buddy of mine worked with you. Oh, who? I will tell you his name afterwards. I don't know if that's what that is.

But at Don Mills. And then he was mentioning, it was kind of, his words, a weird, bleak place. Oh, I don't know. Not Don Mills. And then he was mentioning, it was kind of a, his words, a weird bleak place. Oh, no. But he said there, but, but. You mean he means physically?

He said there was, yeah, there was an energy there that, um, like he was very fond of the, the, the energy there. Maybe,

can you just tell me about working, uh, for post media in, uh, in that space? Oh, well, it was,

I think what he meant about the building and where, you know, Don Mills, it was the Mills, right? It was York Mills and Don Mills. Yeah, I think he means physically. Enormous building, this huge building that the Post owned, right? And so it was, you know, there's like a Korean grocery store behind that was pretty new.

And Kelsey's that everyone would go to after work or some people would. And you have to take a bus there. And they would always tell me about the sort of, of you know fancy days when there would be like shuttles up from the subway for free and you know like just kind of lux perks all the time but it was pretty bleak when I was up there but um but the newsroom had a really great energy you know there's such talented people at the post you know they're they have um just a sensibility that is so unique and fresh and i think like just they have a lot of fun they're irreverent you know but they cover the important

stories and they do it well there's a lot of really talented journalists on staff too and editors you ever feel like maybe like you missed out on those i was just excited i fall baseball very closely like tonight's game seven i'm very jazzed about it and i was reading richard griffin who might be the best baseball writer we have working today in the city and he writes for the star this is the first time in something like i hope i don't get the years wrong but something like 40 years that they didn't send him to the world series like and i'm seeing a lot of this like do you just feel sometimes like you're robbing the bank after all the money's gone well there were you know it's, things are changing, right?

And there's an adjustment that you have to make to try to make money off digital. And so, yeah, I did miss those days. There was a lot of money to be sent around places. And I think towards the early end of my career, it was tough because I wanted to go and I wanted to have those experiences. But it was already starting to become a time when things were getting leaner out of necessity too. So it was, uh, it was challenging, but I did, I did certainly get to have some great experiences. I went to the, like the not as interesting political conventions in the 2012 election, I guess it was. Mitt Romney was running and Obama was trying to get back in. So, you know, I got sent to stuff like that.

It was, you know, I had a great time. And you covered the Gomeshi trial? Yes, I did. That was for Shadalene. Oh, that was for Shadalene. Yes. Oh, well, then hold on. I digress.

Then hold on. So we'll get you to. That's okay. That's your cough because you have to sing on Friday night. Yeah. So Murphy's Law is. So I'm getting out of my system. Yeah, you need to get sick. Yes... I'm getting out of my system. Yeah, well, he needs to get sick.

Yes, every time. Part of the deal. Soul. Chatelaine Segway. At some point, you know, I don't remember the song, but I guess there's this long interlude at the beginning here,

but KD's going to kick in at some point. Just a kiss. Just a kiss. She's excellent, excellent too put her in the Dolly Parton category how do you end up at Chatelaine? Oh, well, I was working at the National Post writing a lot of sort of life mates news features and things. And then I heard from Leanne George, who was the editor in chief of The Grid. Remember The Grid?

Of course. That was iWeekly. Yes. And then it became The Grid, which was great. And then it's gone now. Now it's gone. But so Leanne had begun as an editorial director at Chatelaine, and so she was sort of, and then she became editor-in-chief,

and so she was sort of building a team there, and she wanted somebody who could do some newsy, timely, relevant stuff and write and report. And so I became that person for her. So it was a great opportunity. I've been reading Chatelaine or reading it, you know, since I was a kid, always around the house. My mom was a subscriber. It just really meant a lot to me. And so I just leaped at the opportunity. It was such a good one. Not enough sports articles for me. No, I know. Sportsnet and the Rogers family. So I think they do a pretty good job covering it up. So yeah, Chatelaine was founded, I'm sure you know this, but in 1928.

Yes. So our, what is that? A hundred years coming up? Almost. 90 years. 90 years. Yes. I can do math. 90 years is coming up next year. So that's, that's pretty nuts. And it's with Chatelaine that you covered the Gomeshi trial. Absolutely. Yeah. So what was that like? It was a really interesting experience because, you know, I actually started when I started at Chatelaine, I was like, we need to cover this trial. You know, this is just an important story for Canadians, but Canadian women in particular, because it really was the first time in a long time we were talking in a new way about sexual violence and all those dynamics that we're talking about still with Harvey Weinstein and everything.

So I, you know, we just decided that we would do it in our own way. And so I think a lot of people were really surprised to find Shalane there. I don't think, you know, because I'd been in the business a while, people weren't surprised to see me there necessarily because I covered news, but they were surprised that a women's magazine was covering a huge news event. So I, we decided every single day we'd just do like a recap, which is very different from like the narrative you'd find in the newspaper or the reports on TV and, and what, what you need to know, like just the details about it and explaining, answering people's questions in the, in real time, sort of about what they wanted to know about. And then, and then, you know then we got interviews with the complainants, which are really important,

and we're able to explore some of the nuances involved there with them coming forward. And then I live-tweeted it, and that ended up being a pretty big deal for us on our social media platforms as well. And it surprised me because it was such an afterthought. You know, I'm just going to live-tweet it. They weren't live-twe tweeting in 1928, were they?

No. So you're actually, you're modernizing it, but you're bringing some newsiness in the fold. Yeah, but you know, Doris Anderson was the editor-in-chief in the 60s and she was doing a lot of newsy stuff, a lot of news features. She was talking about abortion back then, reproductive rights. She had her finger on the pulse. So I always sort of think about what we're trying to do here is doris anderson 2.0 or 3.0

or whatever you know just kind of modernizing digital aging uh exactly the ethos that she had yeah i mean i would like to think peggy olsen would have would have read shadow yeah yeah exactly she probably did. Although it's a Canadian magazine. She probably didn't actually. Be a pain in the ass. But now everything's digital. And print, I mean, you mentioned the Sportsnet magazine.

But Sportsnet, do they print that anymore? No, not Sportsnet. Digital only, right? No, they don't have Sportsnet in print or Canadian Business or Flare. But they're really doing, you know, amazing stuff online. And we have six issues a year now. So it's like double months. Okay, so you had 12 and now you have six.

We had 12 and now we have six. I'm trying to remember this. Yes. All these changes that happened. And you have, I mean, you still have a core subscriber base. Yes. Circulation, is that the magic word? Yeah, that's the word.

Yeah. Yeah. I couldn't tell you those numbers at all. No, there's still lots of Canadian. I'm sure, I don't know the demos, but this is pretty much mostly women are subscribing. There's not a lot of dudes because there's a lack of baseball coverage.

Well, yeah, but you know what? What I always say about food is that we're fast becoming and have been obviously in a lot of ways for a long time, a food destination. And, and I always think about my friend who follows Shadalyn on Facebook and she says, yeah, I follow and I get the recipes and I send them to my husband cause he's going to make dinner. Cause honestly, food, food and these news issues and things like that are for anyone, you know?

And certainly the way we receive news now and our content, it's doesn't have to be women only, for sure. And senior writer, like, are you the senior writer or a senior writer? Well, I'm like, well, I'm the only one with that title, but I'm the senior writer. Well, that's just to distinguish that that's basically my job. Like there are other designations like associate editor, but I don't actually edit. So it didn't really make sense, but I'm not the only one who writes. There's certainly amazing,

you know, other, but they're junior writers. No, no, there's no junior writers. It was just, yeah,

I just hired as the writer. So it seemed, it seemed a little better than writer. No, for sure. I think, uh, if you can get senior in your title,

it's just, they can't demote you. Right. Is uh, if you can get senior in your title, it's just, they can't demote you, right? Is that the idea? Even if there's no junior, get senior in that, in that title. There you go. The, um, you wanted to mention something about, uh, something called Big Dish. Oh my gosh. Big Dish. We had Big Dish. It was a, a massive event for, um, bringing together women in Canadian food. So chefs, bloggers, farmers, you know, and they, this was Sunday actually at 99 Sudbury down downtown Toronto here. It was such an amazing event. We had chef Lynn Crawford do a keynote.

Josh, Josh and the Maharaj, she does a lot of work in institutions with food. You know, we had great panels like, and, and everyone felt so energized. There's awesome food too, but, but you know, Chatelaine is really amping up its food coverage and, and just bringing in a lot of the stories and the issues that, that women sort of face in food and also how they're, you know, blazing a lot of trails as well. And so we're having those conversations. So Sunday was such a great kickoff for for that and we have hashtag big dish if you want to go well i saw you tweeting up a storm yeah prolific as always a big dish storm yes cool it was so interesting i couldn't help it no it's also my

job it's also your job do you find okay do you find because you've got your twitter account and you do your like you mentioned your job so you're doing your work stuff from there, but that's also you. Yeah. Like, do you ever feel like maybe you need two? Oh, what do you mean? Like, do you ever feel like you need two Twitter feeds? No.

Like, one that's, like, where your work life, and then one for, like, Sarah and her opinions? No, because I consider myself, I'm a Chatelaine reader, so I just tweet as me. This was a test question. That's the right answer. Yeah. Well, that's, you's, uh, you know,

obviously I just, you know, use good judgment and try not to say anything that, uh, would hurt the company. Obviously I would never want to. So, um, so Shadalaine, so, you know, they just retweet me from the brand account if they feel like it, but, uh, they let me be me on Twitter, which is awesome. Let me ask you a question about Bill 62. Okay. I didn't write about that. My colleague wrote about it. Your colleague wrote about that. Okay. I thought I saw you tweeting about Bill 62.

Oh, I did tweet about it. Yeah. Because I love to share my colleague's work. But yes. Okay. So this is where basically, let me get this right. But people who cover their faces in public are banned i guess their word is barred but barred from providing a public service so like being a doctor or a bus driver or teacher

whatever and from receiving provincial and municipal public services like and that runs the gamut like that could be riding a bus yeah a library book out going to the doctor okay yeah so that's an issue that affects canadian women right yeah certainly because of uh kneecap and the burka particularly and i was so uh what's your opinion on this bill 62 not to put you on the spot here now that i realize you're not the one who's actually writing about it no but i i encourage you to go read sadia ansari's column on on the site. It's so, it was great. She was really,

put a fine point on that she believes it's Islamophobic. I just, I'm of the mind where I think, you know, people should wear what they want and do what they want. Like the song says, live and let live.

Yeah. Although they say live and let die. If I boil it down, I'm like, is that woman hurting anybody? No, she's just trying to live her life and feed her family. So I don't actually see the point of it. So is this being spun as a way to separate church and state?

Well, it's Quebec, right? So they have their own secularism, secular feelings about, and women's rights. They have a certain idea about women's rights, which is so interesting. But this is, to me, it seems like a political move. You know, there's certain bases that they need to, you know, they need to win those votes next time they have an election. And, you know, there's actually a very small number of women who wear niqabs and burqas in Quebec. And so

it doesn't seem fair to sort of throw them into, you know, a situation where they feel unsafe or unwelcome just because you want to win votes in some far-flung part of the province, right? My question is, are there any examples of non-Muslim women who are covering their faces in Quebec? Like, are there any? Because I can't, I don't know, I'm not a religious guy, but I know I'm thinking of world religions and stuff, and I'm thinking of just, why is a woman covering her face except in those examples where the woman wears a burqa or a kneecap. So that's where it does. It's pretty targeted to them, doesn't it?

It doesn't pass my sniff test. Mine neither. It seems to unfairly target Muslims. But I, no, my call, no. Go read Sadia's column. I encourage everyone to go read it. It's really good. I'm about to crack I'm not going to do it right now before it gets too warm. So I'm going to crack open a beer,

a Great Lakes. This is a blonde lager. And I'm opening that. Cause I want to ask you about when you had a beer. Oh yes. And that rhymes. You had a beer with Andrew Shear. It rhymes.

I know. I's like my favorite drink with his name rhymes with it it's perfect this is your attempt to do what i tried to do with damien cox when he kicked out the jams you're trying to humanize andrew sheer well no we were trying to give because he was on a tour of like let's get to know me canada and so we're like well yeah we'd love to get to know you, especially since the conservatives really need women to vote for them. So just tell me about you and let's do it in a way that is not so stuffy, right? Like you're used to seeing politicians in really stuffy environments. And so it was a nice chance to just be like, who are you really? You know, and let's, let's get past the canned answers and, you know. And I mean, i've seen the video but uh how was the experience

i guess here's what i would ask you if there were no cameras around would you have another beer with andrew sheer he was a really nice guy you know he's a really nice guy um uh he um it was it was a surprise to me when i covered the political or sorry the conservative leadership convention in may that he won and i think it was you know, I was surprised people weren't following super closely. He had a really good ground game, you know, but he's really an approachable guy. And they call him Stephen Harper with a smile because he actually does smile. And he has, you know, a lovely family. And, you know, I don't know if we would be friends per se but he seemed

like a nice dude you know different political views maybe I was going to say Stephen Harper with a smile probably doesn't win him many seats in Toronto but I don't think as we've learned from Stephen Harper they don't need us like they don't need a Toronto seat

to win a majority they don't they've done it before, to win a majority. They don't, they've done it before. But on that note, real quick, as I, yesterday was Halloween and a lot of people, not a lot, but enough people that I noticed were given,

uh, Justin Trudeau, some, some, some grief or some business, if you will, for dressing up. Did you see any of that?

Like this whole, like, who is it? Focus. Who said, do your job? John Moore, I think from 10 is it focus who said do your job john moore i think from 1010 tweeted just do your job but here's my thought okay i don't want i'm not a i don't have a poster of justin around the corner okay i'm just a guy here yeah you're looking

because you thought i might have one he's a pulp fiction poster he's behind that but it was halloween yeah that's the one day of the year I'm okay with him wearing a spider. What was he wearing? Superman outfit. Superman, yeah. Like, if it was any other day, I might get on your bus and be like, oh, man, come on, you're being silly. But that's the one day where it's a-okay to do that.

Yeah. So why was he getting in the business? He was still doing his job, wasn't he? Like, I don't know. I don't understand. Anyway. Are these people who just don't like him anyways? Well, you know what it plays into is that people feel like he does too much glad handing

and smiling for cameras and stunts and things like that. Right. Like the kayak stuff or whatever. The socks or whatever. So I think that's, I think it folds into that same criticism. But please people, it was Halloween. It was Halloween. Like chill out.

Yeah, it was Halloween. And you can do your job dressed as Superman. I've done it. Did you wear a costume yesterday? No, I didn't. Well, I work from home. So it's like, who am I dressing up for? And then this is kind of sad, but my three-year-old was very excited to go trick-or-treating.

By the way, there's treats in front of you. Amazing. Can I also open this beer? Yeah, yeah. On mic, though. I like the sound. Sorry. I was like, that's the treat.

Is that okay? I think you did a great job. Great. And there's more beers for you. Over top of me. That's okay. Just don't get that's the treat. Is that okay? I think you did a great job. And there's more beers for you. That's okay. Just don't get it on the microphone. I can't afford to replace it. These mics aren't cheap. No, enjoy.

So the three-year-old, well, Andy, went out trick-or-treating. All right. And I stole a lot of his treats today. Like a lot. He's upstairs. I hope he doesn't hear me. I stole a lot of his stuff. But I actually,. He's upstairs. I hope he doesn't hear me. I stole a lot of his stuff. But I actually,

I wanted to take him trick-or-treating and my 15-year-old asked if I'd take him to his hockey game and I ended up going to the hockey game. You know what?

I felt sad inside that I couldn't be in two places at once. Yeah, I think... I wanted to be Superman. Yeah. And a lot of our Shadow Lane readers

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So you can take home that six pack with you. Oh my God, there's a six pack in front of me. And you can take it home. My husband will be really happy. I might let him have just one. That one's the Audrey Hopburn. Ooh. Which it's a big bottle.

And it's really good. That looks cool. I love their names actually. I was obsessed with one of their beers this summer called Miami Vice. Yeah. And it wasn't a vice because I'm not really a wheat beer person. So I was pleased that it wasn't as advertised. I was like, this is a rad label.

They got great names. Just great names. And the animations are good. And the beer is good. And I have to ask them, have they resisted? Have they ever had one of those big beer conglomerates, like Coors Molson or whatever, try to buy them up? And have they resisted?

Because they want to be called fiercely independent. Yes. I'm curious. I don't have an answer yet. No to be called fiercely independent? Yes. I'm curious. I don't have an answer yet. No, they didn't tell you? No. But I did have the owner over to kick out the jams recently. Oh, I heard that one.

Yeah. And they're 100% independent, which I think is very cool. So if you can support your local independent craft brewery. Actually, I think we had this Canuck pale ale. We served that at my wedding. There was a guy running that marathon we just had uh dressed as that oh yeah that's a good stunt gordon levec that was pretty cool so enjoy your great legs you had the problem you know it's the third episode in a row where i had a beer during

recording and it makes me want to burp oh no so i'll try not to burp during your jam thank you i'll try to mute myself if i do yeah it's fine when you're drinking that beer at home you may want to pour the beer into your new pint glass oh is this mine too well that's yours too i feel like oprah like i'm giving away gifts yeah you should have put them like under the chair though that was an oprah yeah you get a pint glass and you get a pint glass that's from brian hey b. This is great. Thanks. And Brian wants everyone to go to propertyinthesix.com. And when Brian heard you were coming over, he wanted to record a new message.

Oh, great. So here's new Brian. Propertyinthesix.com. Brian Gerstein here, sales representative with PSR Brokerage. With the country's bank regulator tightening the mortgage rules effective January 1st for all lenders, this will have a huge impact as it will affect those buyers with a down payment of 20% or more who were previously exempt.

In January, expect your affordability to also drop by 20%. You can call me at 416-873-0292 for more information on the changes, as I fully expect Arusha buyers to purchase before you're in. I can also refer you to our in-house mortgage broker team, who can qualify you so you know how much purchasing power you have now and what the number will be in 2018. How long ago was that wedding when you were singing I Will Always Love You? Yeah, we got married at a camp, which is really fun, on the same lake as our family's,

my in-law's cottage. And so we had a bonfire the night before. And so it was like three years ago now. So we had Canuck, Great Lakes Canuck beer. That's amazing. Yeah, it was awesome. Do you own property in the six? Yes, I do. We actually, I was like kind of deja vu when I came out to see you out here in the West End

because we did look in Etobicoke and then we ended up buying the East End of Toronto. That's the great decision you have to make if you're going to be a Torontonian. Are you an East Ender or a West Ender? It's not going to be downtown because I try to buy a house downtown. Anyway.

But you ended up on the East side. And how do you like it? Are you going to die there? Is that the plan? I don't know. I don't know where I'll die. Not for a long time? Hopefully not for a long time.

Hopefully not tonight. The West End. No, yeah. Well, that's how i feel about buying houses i was like after going through a lot of crap it was like yep i'm never leaving so my diet there no i just uh not not too soon yeah the uh i was gonna ask you you mentioned you listened to the peter bullitt kick out the jam so so you are you're are you a subscriber of Toronto Mike? No. That's why I won't subscribe to Shia LaBeouf.

Can we make a deal right now? I will subscribe to your podcast and you just subscribe to Shia LaBeouf. I'll give you a, what do you call it, a code. Okay, great. And I'll find you a code. Yes. But I did because I was like, he wants me to kick out the jams.

I should probably hear how this all goes down. And I listen to Siobhan Morris' because I love love siobhan and she's probably coming to news actually shout out siobhan siobhan's great uh she's been on here twice and i saw her last time i saw her was at great lakes brewery because all the 1010 hosts did a brew like a special brew that's fun it was shuttle and should do one yeah for sure. Like Mad Dog was there and Jim Richards was there and John Moore was there and Siobhan Morris was there. So very cool. And her dad, of course, he's the music director for 97.7 Hits FM in St. Catharines. You know, I think I sort of learned that from listening to your podcast.

I didn't know that before. I learned something new. Oh, maybe you heard it in the Bob Willett episode. That was the last Kick Out the Jams. Because he's the music director for The Rock in Oshawa. And I find those stations similar in their styles. So I have to kick out the jams after a music director? Yeah.

Oh, my God. No pressure. He actually set a record. Bob Willett set a record. For the first time, I'm revealing this. Most jams from the 1990s. Oh, wow. 70% of his jams were from the 90s.

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and $10 is yours. Sarah Boesveldt from Chatelaine, I have one question for you. Okay, shoot. Are you ready to kick out the jams? Hells yeah. You say that you're leaving Well that comes as No surprise

Still I kinda like this feeling Of being left behind This ain't nothing new to me Well, it's just like going home It's kind of like those sunsets That leave you feeling so stoned Hey, I guess it hasn't hit me yet I guess it hasn't hit me yet.

I fell through this crack and I kind of lost my head. I stand transfixed before the streetlight. Watching the snow fall on this cold December night. Blue Rodeo hasn't hit me yet. Yeah, I can't help but sing along. I know, I was doing the harmony. Please, feel free. If the urge strikes you, the spirit moves you, please. Don't move me with these jams.

Do it. Tell me why you, as if this needs an explanation. It is just a straight up jam. rodeo by the way i i have i know i hope there's not too much overlap because i know you lean in the countryside but i absolutely adore this band oh i adore them too they're they are an institution speaking of institutions so how did you pick which blue rodeo song oh it was really hard it had to be off this record five days in in May, I think it's called, or July. No, Five Days in July. It's so confusing because the song is Five Days in May.

Right, right. But this is the album that was always in my parents' tape deck when we were driving to the lake and just very well loved in my family growing up. And my sisters and I always sing it and harmonize and stuff and you know actually I wrote a piece for the post years ago I think it was the anniversary of this record I noticed it was the anniversary and I wanted to find out kind of like a not an oral history presentation but like what was it like making this record and tell me about sort of your paths to this record so I drove through Prince Edward County where Jim Cuddy had a lot of,

you know, his early life. And then, uh, Greg Keeler let me come visit him on his farm. He's the coolest. I mean, they're both great.

Don't get me wrong, but like, do you consider yourself, like I noticed people, you're either a Jim guy or a Greg guy. Yeah. I don't know. You know what?

I don't know that I'm either. I think my sisters are definitely Jim, Jim guys. He's an Eastender too, by the way. I saw him out running know what I don't know that I'm either I think my sisters are definitely Jim Jim guys he's an Eastender too by the way I saw him out running once and I was like whoo

Jim Cuddy it's good to know I'm taking notes here need to know who the Eastenders are but it was so cool to go see his farm because that's where

they recorded this record right hey hey I guess it hasn't hit me yet what a great great band live too yes oh my god do you have you ever seen them at key to balla no north of toronto no oh my god they play there every thanksgiving actually you know Oh my God. Have you ever seen them at Ketabala? No. North of Toronto? No. Oh my God. They play there every Thanksgiving.

Actually, you know what? I haven't done it, but I have friends who do this every year and I need to go. I love that venue. We'll go together. Oh, I did. Actually, I did see them once there. Yes. It was awesome. I heard.

It was a break dance. I had a school dance in, I don't know, late 80s or something. It was a school dance. It was like a grade school dance. That's how old I am. I was at a grade school dance in the late 80s. They. It was a school dance. It was like a grade school dance. That's how old I am. I was at a grade school dance in the late 80s. They played Try. Oh, yeah.

And it was new at the time from Outskirts. And really, it was instant. That ended up being the... When you get married, you have a song where you dance with your mom. Yeah. That was the I Dance With My Mom song. It was Blue Rodeo's Try.

Yeah. Beautiful song. You can really My Mom song. It was Blue Rodeo's Try. Yeah. Beautiful song. He can really sing that one, Jim Cuddy, yeah. But Greg was so funny. He was, yeah. Yeah, he was generous and lovely. Like, he showed me all around the property, and I was just sort of secretly fangirling out but trying to be a professional journalist you know all right that's

right you're there as a journalist i was can't be fanning out it's so hard you know to talk to people you admire and be a journalist it's like when chris farley interviewed paul mccartney and he was like yes yeah you know so like yeah it's difficult not to fan out but that's an inspired choice I love it yeah just a jam straight up jam Greg sings my favorite Blue Rodeo song which is Diamond Mine oh yeah that's my mom's favorite she loves that one she's my age that's why

we like the heels barely maybe are you ready for another jam oh yeah that's right. It's all our own. Oh, you skipped ahead. Did I do that?

Yeah. Hold on. Let me try it again. Hold on. What did that? I don't remember. No. I've never seen that before.

Just a second. Bear with me. It's okay. I'll experience the opening bars again. Because I didn't do it, I'm afraid it will happen again because I didn't actually touch it, but let's try that again. Let's roll with it. Okay, hold on here. I'm going to remove it and bring it in again.

Oh my god. It's never happened before. I had to kick out the jam, by the way, the first time. Oh no, I put a hex on it by accident. Huh. You can... It's a glitch in the Seeger. Yeah.

It's a great jam, too. You don't want to mess this one up. Hold on here. Is that the only version of the song I have? Let me see. Because it's a popular song. I could have multiple versions. I'm sure it's not the first time it appeared in the jams.

Here, we'll try this one here. I've had a lot of Bob Seger, but I think this is the first time for Night Moves. It is the Seger Jam. You're only like the 16th or 17th person to do it. Okay, you ready to try this again? Yes. Much better.

There you go. I was a little too tall, could have used a few pounds. Tight pants, points, hollering now. She was a black-haired beauty with big dark eyes. And points all her own around sudden way up high well firm and high i passed the cornfields when the woods got heavy out in the back seat of my 60s working on mysteries without any clues.

Working on our night moves. Trying to make some front page driving news. Working on our night moves. In the summertime. Of course, nightves from Bob Seger. Although technically, I think I have to bill this to Bob Seger and the Silver Bullet. Oh, yes, yes. Did you know he, like, I think he recorded this in Toronto. It's a very Toronto song. And it almost didn't happen.

He was like, I mean, I was playing with this, like, and then his producer would have heard it and was like, yeah, you have to record that. So the rest is history.

I heard that story. Yeah. I've heard that story. Damien Cox kicked out a Bob Seger jam and somebody was telling me that story after that. Yeah,

he recorded in Toronto. Yep. You know, and he went, Damien Cox went to see Bob Seger in Detroit, and he went with his buddy Brad Fay, who works for Rogers Sportsnet. Okay, yeah. And Brad Fay's coming over next week.

He's the next jam kicker. This is the bridge. This is the bridge. Oh, man. This is just total jam. Is this, oh, no, Against the Wind. One of these... There's a Bob Seger jam in Forrest Gump.

Oh, yeah. I vaguely... I don't know. Only because I listen to the Forrest Gump soundtrack a lot, but I think it's Against the Wind, actually. Yeah, that sounds about right for Forrest Gump. I just love the breakdowns in the song, like the moments.

So dramatic. That's my favorite part. Ready? I mean, damn, son. I wish I had pipes like that. Oh, man. On a good day, I could do my impersonation. Actually, I have a gravelly voice. Yeah, I was going to say.

It works for you. How far off that I wonder. Oh, yeah. I want a song from 1962. here. How far off that I wondered. Oh yeah. Started humming a song from 1962. And it's funny how the night moves. When you just don't seem to have as much to lose. Strange how the night moves

With autumn closing in Beautiful duet I'm getting here. I love it. That comes out of karaoke sometimes. I'll bet. So fun. This comes out of the campfire too a lot

I have a friend who really loves Bob Seger and we're always doing that I love those 20 feet from stardom

yeah oh yeah I love that movie so good especially that chat about Gimme Shelter by the Rolling Stones. Mary Clayton.

She's in a hairnet pregnant, sleeping, and the Stones wake her up and say can you sing this part? She's like, you want me to sing what? Rape and murder. And then she just crushes it. And you can hear when the voice breaks or whatever, she's got that bend

in the voice. And then you hear Mick in the background. Oh, I've never heard him in the background. Yeah, he's like, yeah, or something like that. Or woo, or something. What a killer track. This is great, but that Kimmy Shelton's great too. Oh, it's great. Night Moves.

Night Moves. I have many favorite parts of this song. This one. I like this one too. I mean, I bow down. I'm so grateful I found another. It's funny how this laptop, that's my own personal, because most of your jams I had in my personal music collection. There's like two I had to seek out.

But that one I had two different versions, and I don't know what corrupted in that other version. But I'm so glad I had another version. Yes, me too. You rescued the jam. I would have had to pause, and I would have had to do whatever it takes to rescue your jams. I'm knocking no jam left behind. Respect for the jam. Respect for the jam. Respect for the jam.

And I'm now looking ahead to the next jam we're going to play. I can't wait to tell you my little story about this band. So let's kick out your third jam. guitar solo guitar solo guitar solo guitar solo I don't know where I'm going I don't know where you are tonight

I don't know what I'm blowing And I ain't feeling all too right But I'm hanging around I'm hanging around You're hanging up the phone again I'm hanging up this town Cause I want you there I need you in. I need you in. I'm bleeding.

I'll be a little wild tonight. Yeah, I'll be a little wild tonight. Well, I don't know much about you. Not moving a smile. That's a little Toronto band, Lowest of the Low. Bleed a little wild tonight. Tell me why you love that jam. Oh, I love this part. I just wanna make love to you In some dark rainy street somewhere

Why do I love this jam? I love this jam. It's just like, I've got rainy streets somewhere cause I want you and before I moved to Toronto. So it's a meaningful song to me because I really started to like this band before I came to Toronto. And then, you know, it was sort of in my Toronto imagination a little bit, you know? And then I actually went to, you know, The Only, and it's now one of my favorite bars. It's a very East of Young song.

It is an East of Young. It's a band, too. Oh, no, but there's a Bathurst Street reference, right? Right, right, right. So, right here. Yeah. I'll turn it back up for the Damn, Damn the Circumstance part

because that's a very important part to me. Yes. It's funny, yeah, very Toronto band. Yes. But looking at you, I haven't asked you your age. You're not supposed to ask people their age, right? Am I right? I'm 30 years old.

30 years old. Yes, so it is. So you missed Shakespeare in my butt. I did. I came to it late. I did. I'm very impressed. I came to it late. I did. I'm very impressed. Like maybe a decade and a half after it came out.

Because as a man who was a teenager when Shakespeare in My Butt came out, that album, that was it. I'm sure. Yep. You're not a subscriber, so you might not know this, but Ron Hawkins sat in that seat you're in right now. Oh, I love Ron Hawkins. And played a song from the new album during his second second, did you hear that part? His second appearance. I know, that's also why I was like, I gotta go on this

podcast, like Ron Hawkins has been here. You just wanted to sit in that seat. Well, we're going to see him next month, this month I guess, at the Graffiti so I'm it about that. Tell him next time he's here. I think that's the perfect song. So you're going to see him next month? Oh yeah, I guess it's this month, November already, right?

Right I'm loving your jam, Sarah Oh, thank you I can't promise that will continue Come on I'm throwing you a wild card, I know But I have my reasons That one I'm okay with I'm worried about one a card, I know. That's nice. But I have my reasons.

That one I'm okay with. I'm worried about one a couple after that, but we'll see. Yeah, yeah. So you came to it late, but you have, do you own Shakespeare, My Butt? Yes, we have it on vinyl at home. Yep. Because you married an older gentleman. I did marry an older gentleman. But that's not not but I knew about

Los Alon I loved them before I met this this other guy how much older a decade roughly yeah

now it all makes sense yeah no but it was before I met him he has he has nothing to do with my love for

for the Lowe's but you know it certainly helped that we both love that band. Is he in the media business? He was, yeah. I'll be a little wild tonight. I'll be a little wild tonight. Perfect song. That wild tonight Perfect song. That is a fantastic song.

And it's not the last song we'll hear tonight from Shakespeare My Butt. Oh, I know. That's just a fact. I know, I know. Let's kick out another jam. Buckle up. Here we go. That's right.

Lean into it, y'all. Lean into it, y'all. Every night in my dreams I see you, I feel you That is how I know you go on Far across the distance and spaces between us You have come to show you go on Near, far, wherever you are

I believe that the heart does go on Once more you open the door And you're here in my heart And my heart will go on and on

Celine Dion makes her Kick Out the Jam debut. I figured that'd be a first. I feel like I figured that'd be a first. My heart will go on. I feel like I might have to defend myself, too. As I say to everyone, your jams are your jams. I know.

You're really good about that. Apologies here. Tell me why you love. Tell me what the hell's going on. Okay, there are many reasons this song is amazing. Everyone in the entire world knows this song. You can go to an island in the South Pacific and they are singing this song is amazing. Everyone in the entire world knows this song. Like, you can go to, like, an island in the South Pacific and they are singing this song, guaranteed.

And, like, she's just like a powerhouse, and I think we need more power ballads in our lives, you know? I think they just connect with this emotional core of us, you know? And I sing this at karaoke with my friends, too, but we always put on the, like, Celine accent. Like, you have to, right? Like, it's like... You get to throw the French-Canadian-ness in.

And actually, I sang this at my... See, I'm dating myself here. I sang this at my talent show when I was in grade four or five or something, maybe younger. This was your Shakespeare, my best. Oh, my God. Yes. Let's talk about Lerve.

I always say Lerve like her, you know, Lerve. And she's Canadian. She's just total professional, super talented. Also, we're going to come to it, but the song has a banger key change and I'm so into key changes. I just think they're fantastic. Oh yeah, tell me when to jack it up.

I don't want to miss the key change. It's coming. But, you know, I didn't really watch Titanic much either. Like, I know people were obsessed with it at the time, but like to me,

it was just so in. You didn't do cry parties like other females. Are you ready? Are you ready? Here it is. Here it is. You're here.

There's nothing I fear. And I know that my heart will go on. We'll stay forever this way You are safe in my heart And my heart will go on Amazing, Just amazing. Do you know who Steve Aoki is? He's like a big deal EDM guy. Yes.

He played this at like Tomorrowland or whatever the big festival is and like just like did an amazing remix and this everyone stopped and sang it like and these were like 20 year olds right and it's just you know it's just a powerfully emotional song that's like strikes that nostalgic core in people

I think it's awesome I will confess to this I have changed my mind about this song recently before tonight there's this new meme that started fest to this i have changed my mind about this song recently because now tonight yeah before tonight before tonight there's this new meme that started in 2017 i noticed where they take dramatic baseball moments and they said it to the song yes i've seen that so steve pierce hits a walk off grand slam they time it up so that he hits it and then you get that whole like the the heart will go on big emotional part

or whatever and it's so perfect it's perfect it's the emotional core of everything the song is the emotional core of all of us you did a great job like I feel like what's that CBC show where people defend their choice of like books or whatever

oh Canada Reads I should do Canada Reads for this song you did I would totally yeah you kicked the shit out of that jam oh man like it's it is a straight up jam and I think we all and like Carl Wilson actually is a great writer in Toronto wrote a book about Celine Dion about this album and he did a really amazing job defending like all of our you know well not defending he was exploring why we're such snobs about music right like why do we think celine down sucks because we're like oh that's too schmaltzy it's like no that's everyone right like you're not allowed to like yeah and i can no longer admit to liking uh three dollar bill y'all

from limp biscuit yeah lamp biscuit um no but um no and anthony easton is a great music writer he wrote a story for mlean's about Nickelback and sort of defending Nickelback. I think I have a lot of time for that because it really makes us think and approach our biases differently. And I think there's something to be done about that for Céline, for sure.

Everyone read Carl's book. It's so good. Let's talk about Lerve. If you had an 11th jam, I'm sure it would have been How You Remind Me. No, but we sing photographic karaoke. It's a recent development. talk about Lerve. If you had an 11th jam, I'm sure it would have been How You Remind Me by Nickelodeon. No, but we sing photographic karaoke. It's a recent development,

but that's my very favorite pastime. How You Remind Me is better than photograph, though. Maybe we'll try How You Remind Me after. Let's hear your fifth jam. We'll be right back. I don't know God, but I fear his wrath. I'm trying to stay focused on the righteous path. I got a couple of opinions that I hold dear. Got a whole lot of debt and a whole lot of fear.

Got an ins and outs, scratch and let it feel all right. Got the need to blow it out on a Saturday night. Got a grill in the backyard and a case of beers. Got a boat that ain't seen the water in years. More bills than money, I can do the math. I'm trying to keep focused on the righteous path. The Righteous Path from Drive-By Truckers. The Drive-By Truckers are my favorite band. They're Southern rock.

They're from, I guess, Alabama. Yeah, they're from Alabama. Muscle Shoals is sort of the base. You know Muscle Shoals. Great documentary. Yeah, it's so good. Almost as good as 20 People from Stardom. But no, they're just such a talented band.

This is Patterson Hood, who's the son of David Hood, who played in those Muscle Shoals sessions, right? Like for the Stones and Rita Franklin. Such a smart songwriter. Really on point with his lyrics. This song, even the beginning that we heard, was about life in America,

and that was before the recession. He almost has this prescience, too, in his writing, and he has a great song now on his most recent record called What It Means, and it's about basically what the gun violence against black men in America, and sort of what the hell's going on. And I just think he's so on point all the time,

and he's melodically great. Mike Cooley, who plays with him, is fantastic too. Jason Isbell, I don't know if you know him. That name is familiar to me. Jason Isbell, he's a huge deal in Americana music right now. He was in the Drive-By Tuckers for two albums. So they're a band that's very much about like they each write their own songs and

everybody plays with them, right? But they're just smart as fuck. Like they're so good. Sorry, I just swore on your podcast. You're allowed to swear on this podcast. Okay, so smart and amazing. It's I have a lot of time for the truckers. They're probably the most consistently played in our house.

So this is the first song you've had on your list where I had to find the song because I didn't have it already. You don't know the truckers? I just I can't say. Oh my god. This is my first exposure to the drive-by truckers. Oh and what do you think? Even listening to it now I've never heard the song before. I wasn't sure in verse, chorus, verse like I know how all the songs are. And I was like, when do I fade down? I don't know this song. Aren't we all, my friends? I like it, though. I like how this sounds. My ears are enjoying this yes

and you will enjoy a lot more of this stuff like it's consistently good cool so that's like this is the modern day Lynyrd Skynyrd

well you know actually interesting that you say that because they have like a concept album about Skynyrd and about the plane crash you

know they have a lot of anniversary of that uh did yeah you know and and it's called southern rock opera and it is incredible too and they're just like they're so smart and great and every song you know like i love tracks off southern rock opera too like this is a newer new-ish one um but it's uh it but it's one of my favorites. I'm looking at your list. There's no Freebird. No. But the live version from Skinner's Innards,

which is about 10 minutes long or something, is fantastic. Well, there's a line from a song on Southern Rock Opera where they're talking about the crash, and they're like, you can still hear Freebird playing on the radio. It's a very long song. I know. I'm bringing it back to the truckers again but i know yeah they play they uh give homage to them quite a bit skinner for sure skinner by the way guilty pleasure of mine i mean uh that skinner's

innards i mentioned every jam on that album that greatest hits album is fantastic i just dig it and like and you learn too from that too, that it's Skinner, when they do Sweet Home Alabama, everyone sings it in the sort of bars these days, but it's like,

it's commentary defending the South and they had a lot of issues sort of around the flag and, you know, actually, Neil Young, they say,

I hope Neil Young would remember Southern Man doesn't need him around, but they had a lot of respect for Neil Young and Neil Young actually carried

the casket of, I can't remember remember which one but one of the guys that died in the crash you know that's one of the most famous like diss tracks if you will because yeah because neil young has southern man but it's not a diss track yeah it's so interesting right yeah and what i think is misinterpreted in sweet home alabama is that part where the they boo the governor like there's that whole boo, boo, boo. So, I mean, they're saying boo to the governor. So some people misinterpret that the way they misinterpret Nirvana's Rape Me or whatever. Right, or what's that one by Springsteen?

Born in the USA. Yeah, and Reagan uses it as his song. Oh, Reagan. Like he's not getting it at all. Yeah, they don't understand. Jason Isbell does a great cover of that, by the way. Cool. A lot of Springsteen,

because there's a lot of 50-something-year-old white guys who come and kick out the jams. We hear a lot of Springsteen. A lot of Springsteen. I bet. There's some more coming from Brad Pitt. Connor Black Sabbath won't let me do Seeger or Springsteen. And they're a band full of 50-year-old white guys.

Interesting. Let's hear another jam. Oh, yeah. Let's hear another jam Hell yeah I ain't the kind you take on the mama I ain't the kind to wear no rain Somehow I always get stronger When I'm on my second train. Even though I hate to admit it, sometimes I smoke cigarettes. Christian folks say I should quit it. I just smile and say God bless. heart like mine from miranda lambert Heart Like Mine from Miranda Lambert.

Yes. She's also my favorite. I love Miranda Lambert. She's so... I tweet a lot about country music because country music to me, I'm just fascinated by it. Like, the stories, the contradictions,

you know, like, the machine that is Nashville. And Miranda is just this badass woman songwriter and performer. I say songwriter first because a lot of people in Nashville aren't, you know, unless they're the songwriters in Nashville. There's a lot of good song choosers in Nashville. But she's just the real deal. And she just, you know, I saw her in Kelowna, B.C. last month, and she just was know i saw her in colona bc last month and she just was like fantastic

she just puts on a great show and sorry never apologize for singing on this no but i shouldn't be using my voice too much I'll fly away These are the days that I'll remember And I love these semi-autobiographical songs, too. I have another one, actually, in my jam list that's like that. Make a toast to me coming home Cause I heard Jesus, he drank the wine And I bet he'd get along just fine I love that too because it's like country music does that so well.

It's like that commentary on like, oh yeah, well you're all religious. And like, by the way, Jesus was probably not, you know, a buttoned up dude who would be judging my ass, you know? So I love country music for that. I really do. Yeah. I mean, it's clear that... I don't think country music gets enough credit actually. Well, in in this city you can't hear it on the radio first no you have to go out to the outskirts yeah in fact where is the closest country oh like 96 or something i think there's where's that i think it's oshawa out there but yeah i don't actually listen to country radio

in the city because i can't find it on my dial like i'm i'm always listening to it on Spotify or something like that but I pay close attention to what's going on in Nashville and it's my favorite city you know I'm going back there in December for a visit and I'm I just obsessed with songwriting and really good performances that are just about stories and life you know and so many good people out of Nashville who do that so well, like Miranda. Dallas Green and what's his wife's name? Leah? The girl from Much Music, VJ. But it was after my prime time in Much Music. Yeah, I wasn't a Much Music person.

She was popular too, but I can't remember. But they moved to Nashville. Oh, did they? Yeah. Cool. I just learned that. So that's my fun fact for the day. Nashville's a cool city.

City in colors in Nashville right now. Interesting. Cool. That's the second jam you City in colors in Nashville right now. Interesting. Cool. That's the second jam you had that I had to seek out. I don't have any Miranda Lambert, but that was a cool jam. Thank you. Well, speaking of... It was hard to pick one, actually.

Yeah, but yeah. I was going to say, speaking of cool female country songs, no spoiler, I'm about to play it. One of my favorites of all time. Let's hear your seventh jam. begging of you please don't take my man jolene jolene jolene jolene please don't take him just because you can your beauty is beyond compare with flaming locks of open hair With ivory skin and eyes of emerald green Your smile is like a breath of spring Your voice is soft like summer rain

And I cannot compete with you, Jolene He talks about you in his sleep And there's nothing I can do to keep from crying When he calls your name Jolene And I can easily understand How you could easily take my man But you don't know what he means to me Jolene

Jolene, Jolene, Jolene, Jolene I'm begging of you, please don't take my man Jolene, Jolene, Jolene, Jolene Please don't take him just because you can Dolly Parton, Jolene. That's right. Wow. Tell us, as if you have to explain yourself,

tell us why you love Jolene. Oh, my God. Well, again, a really well-written song. So sustained. Like, you just get a, you get such a vivid picture of what's going on there, you know? And what I love about it is that it gets to your fear of, you know, inadequacy, right?

Like you're afraid someone's going to cheat on you or you're afraid somebody's better than you. Like how universal is that fear? Like it's so vulnerable. And she's pleading to the humanity in Jolene, right? She's like, be a good person, you know? This is all I have. It's just such a well-written song. You know how it was inspired, right? Like she like, be a good person. You know, this is all I have. It's just such a

well-written song. You know how it was inspired, right? Like she was in line at the bank with her husband and noticed that this bank teller was flirting with him quite a bit. And this idea popped into her brain. So she's, you know, genius. Like who can paint a picture like that from just a one thought, you know? And I, I just have so much respect for her for that song. We do this song with Conor Black Sabbath sometimes, but we do it like in a punked up kind of version yeah actually i sang this in nashville on a honky-tonk stage too cool sorry we call it smashville now smash oh yeah hockey yeah yeah actually it was in the it was in the bar kitty corner from the the where the preds play and uh i requested it and they were

like i don't i can't remember all the words to that and i was like well i know the words i was of course like you know it was afternoon but i'd had a couple and i got up on the stage and this like great band starts playing jolene and of course bomb out on the words i can't remember any of the words well i'm not i'm not just very embarrassing i'm not kissing your ass because you're sitting across the table from me i wouldn't say anything if I didn't think you had a great voice. You actually have a great voice. Thank you. Even with my nasty cold.

I think it works for you. I'm feeling more confident about Friday than with you saying that. I've noticed when I get a cold and I record an episode, that's the episode when I listen back and think I sounded the best. Oh, really? I finally sounded like an adult male. It's okay. Such a rattly cough.

But it's working for you. Sort of got a little Janice Joplin gravel going on there. Too bad we're not singing any Janice on Friday, but there are going to be some great covers. And what's interesting, a little note here, is that your Miranda Lambert song and your Dolly Parton song are each, like they both are under three minutes, I think each. They're both very short.

That was to make up for like the gratuitous Bob Segerker oh i thought you're gonna say when you add freebird that'll be my 11th song that's fantastic and there's uh my daughter went through a big miley cyrus phase and she did this backyard session yes and she did jolene yes and we played it on youtube a lot yes i heard it a lot oh my. I think Miley, now she's not the bangers Miley anymore. She's the new Miley. And so I'm actually waiting for her to take that next step to country Miley. She's very talented.

I think some people get distracted by her when she does some ridiculous stuff. But Wrecking Ball, by the way, which is a great tune. It's a great tune. And you know what? I keep talking about karaoke it's like it's my favorite thing to do

but like Party in the USA is an awesome karaoke song absolutely no I have some time for Miley Cyrus I think I think she's uh

I think she's great in her actually Dolly Parton is her godmother get out of here I'm full of facts did I know that no I

by the way I have so many facts I love facts like fun facts I call them fun facts and I drop them a lot too I was like fun facts you could just be my permanent person co-host who love facts. Like fun facts. I call them fun facts. And I dropped them a lot too. I was like, fun facts.

You could just be my permanent co-host who sits there and drops fun facts. I did not know that about Dolly Parton being her godmother. But I know that that song, You Can't Stop. And we can't stop. We can't stop? Or you can't stop? We can't stop. We can't stop.

It's a party. We can do what we want. Yeah. And we can't stop. We can't stop. Or you can't stop. We can't stop. We can't stop. It's our party. We can do what we want. Yeah. It's a, that's a great single, like a great catchy pop single. Yeah. Yeah. It's as good as a guest.

Actually on Molly's new record, there is a song with Dolly, um, where they sing together. So check it out. Oh, I will. Your daughter will check it out.

My daughter will check that out. Oh, speaking of, when you and Lois de la Lois was coming up, I had a story I had to tell you. I have a story about this wonderful person too.

Did you tell me your story? Just that they were here performing. Oh, yeah. He performed live in my basement. I'll be back next time when he's here and we'll hang out. But this one, I have a story that's similar.

Let's hear this jam. guitar solo Rain on the soil ground Oskles and tired houses Burn into grooves in the six Dreamers always dream like this You used to be just a face Now the sound waves rush to surround you Coming up to breathe in

Everything out of nowhere Elmo is watching from here And all your spinning inside I'm always watching from here. You are star deep. I have been there myself sometimes. M. Griner, Star Deep. That's like deep catalog m griner you're right that's not uh that's like her second record yeah that's not a uh no one jam amongst the masses no it's a deep cut

tell me why you love star deep oh my god so actually m Griner came into my life like when I was probably in grade eight. And she was the first, you know, when you're in grade eight and you're like, who am I? Like, what's my identity? Like, what do I, who, you know, like, I know it's a lifelong journey, but. I thought it was Billie Idol. Yeah, but I was just like, I just, I found her record, which is a record before this one, and I just really connected to something in her. Her poetry and her singer-songwriter-iness and her vocal tone was similar to mine. I would sit in my room and sing along to M. Griner,

do my M. Griner impersonations, which is kind of weird. She's not a big, big name. She's from Forest, Ontario, right? I think she's very... Let's put it this way. She's been on this on this show yeah so that's how big she is oh yeah okay but you know what i mean like actually her both her and ron hawkins i think are like two severely underappreciated canadian artists like we don't talk about them enough but i just think she can sing so beautifully and her piano and her guitar is just multi-talented.

I sang this one actually in high school too, you know, like singer-songwritery nights. I was just doing my M. Griner impersonation. I just love her. It's a pretty song. Like in the beginning, it sounds a little like we're going into Guns N' Roses Patience.

Okay, you got this acoustic. It's very cool. You'll never get me to say a bad thing about M. Grinder because she sat in that chair. Well, actually, it was the chair that predated it. I got new chairs from Doug Mills. Thank you, Doug.

Very good, Doug. But in that space, anyway. She wrote a song about the death of my very good friend, Mike Kick. Oh, wow. It was released on her last album, and it was called Waiting Room, I think is what she called it.

And it's about my good friend Jordi, who had a visiting room, visiting hours. I can't remember what the name of this jam is, but it's the saddest song you ever heard. And it's about my buddy Jordi, you know, every day watching her husband disappear in the hospital from cancer. So M, I have nothing. I can never say a bad thing about M.

I don't know how you could. Wait, here's some M before we. Oh, man. I'm always watching from here. I'm always watching from here. Keish thought that I disappeared. I'm watching from here. Good on you for bringing the M. Griner

and the lowest of the low. If there's a maestro track, I'm dropping the mic. No, no maestro. No, but there's a recording of me doing my M. Griner impersonation, kicking around somewhere, that song. It meant a lot to me. She was doing the London CBC

drive home show. So was she like hosting it? Yes. This week, like filling in or whatever. And I was thinking, Oh, I wouldn't think she should.

Yeah. Oh my God. But I did, I did a little post for Canada one 50 about Trent Severn, her band that she does now. And I was emailing with her about it. Like to, you know,

we were talking about it, one of her tracks and I had to screenshot it and send it to my younger sister. I was like, check this out. I'm Griner is emailing me her about it. We were talking about it at one of her tracks and I had to screenshot it and send it to my younger sister. I was like, check this out, Em Griner is emailing me. My 11-year-old Bose was like, would have lost it.

That's how I, that's exactly. I think I have met her before, but I'd like to properly meet her now that I'm a grown woman. She's wonderful. Yeah. For the record,

we all agree that Em Griner is wonderful. Em Griner, we all agree that M. Greiner is wonderful. M. Greiner is queen of all. Absolutely. Let's hear your ninth jam. I get bored so I wanna get drunk I know how that

goes So I ain't gonna touch it I get bored and wanna find someone I know how that goes So I ain't gonna rush it Gonna hang on a little bit longer Sleep well, work a little harder, but my faith in something I can't see. Crack a window when it rains, this is living off of dreaming your life, it's working all right for me. Well, you're right down the road from here.

I want to come and see ya But it really doesn't matter Sarah's downstairs and she's singing I smell garlic cooking I think this is better Gonna hang on a little bit longer Sleep well, work a little harder Put my faith in something I can't see Crack a window when it rains

This is living off of Trinity Lane. It's working alright for me. Trinity Lane, Lily Hyatt. I love Lily Hyatt so much. She's coming Friday. No, next Friday. Not this coming

Friday. That's NUZA. Next one. To the horseshoe. But I can't see her because I'm going to be at Rusty at the Mod Club. Oh. I mean,

cancel your plans. Go see Lily Hyatt. Like, listen to this. Your husband will tell you when you get home that Rusty is a great fucking 90s

Cancun band. But Lily sounds great too. Lily is John Hyatt's daughter, songwriter, big songwriter. But like she, I didn't even know his songs before I, you know, I heard her first and listen to this part. I think my neighbors are selling drugs.

I know how that goes. I ain't judging nothing. I was talking about like autobiographical songs earlier and she just put out this record Trinity Lane that is like really real and really you know

just emotionally vulnerable and good and this song I really am drawn to because it's just about like getting focused on your shit like let's just like do the things that work for us

and just get rid of the things that don't you know and I think I think that's just a really good universal message. And I just like, and the beat, like, do you know the band shovels and rope?

Have you heard them? Oh my God. Look them up too. Um, uh, one of the guys from shovels and ropes that, um, husband and wife duo,

um, he, uh, produced this record and he just did an awesome job. It's like some Pearl jam influence here. There's a lot of sort of nineties rock grunge kind of thing but there's some country influences she lives in nashville trinity lane's a real street in nashville um and she just oh she's just so real and good i love her i play this song probably the most often of any of these songs right now it's kind of like a

yeah uh take on the world kind of thing. But it's not cheesy. I think songwriting can be tough. I would love to be able to write songs and I haven't tried hard enough, but I think it's because I listen to too many really good songwriters and I think I would judge myself too harshly.

I just have such appreciation for how she does phrasing and how she picks the details that she talks about and i think i like patterson hood from the truckers for similar reasons and jason isbell as well from the truckers but i love her i'm so excited i hope to meet her at the show i think i probably will because i think she's at the stage now where she's still selling merch right after this the show she's not that's the sweet spot when she's not attached the great bands when they're at that point because you are like, you are on to something.

Sometimes they come in, they do the checkerboard floors at the Horseshoe. And then the next time they roll in, they're at like, I don't know. Danforth Music Hall. And it's like Massey Hall. And it's like ACC. Yeah. And then it's like, oh, I missed my chance. That happens really quickly sometimes.

It can, yeah. What was the... Happened with Jason Isbell, for sure. We saw him at the Horseshoe. And I keep talking about him. He's not one of my jams. How come Happened with Jason Isbell, for sure. We saw him at the horseshoe and I keep talking about him. He's not one of my jams, but... How come there's no

Jason Isbell jams? Well, I wanted to put something on, but I thought, I second-guessed it and, you know, there's only 10, so it's hard to narrow it down. So before we play your last jam,

spend a moment maybe telling me about how difficult this exercise was because there have been jam kickers that bang off the 10 jams like it's been in their head tattooed and it takes them five minutes i had to pick well i was also like i want to be

able to say something about these songs so i tried to pick ones that i maybe had something some observation or anecdote or just also like representative of me and like what i like and what has influenced me you know my life do you know you're a special, you're special. Let me tell you why. When I started, you're special, not short, but special.

That's okay. That's okay. When I started kicking out the jams with guests, I had a rule, a hard rule. It had to be your return visit to kick out the jam. You had to come in once to do like 90 minute deep dive. This is my rule did you give me a free pass you're the you're not the you're the second person to get the free pass because jackie perez who is the in uh the bemo field in-house announcer for the argonauts and gave me this doug flutie bobblehead i'm calling you right

now yeah uh she was the first but now what i realized with someone like yourself like i wanted to talk to you you as a senior writer at Chatelaine where I'm going to be it's much more interesting to kick out the chance yeah but so we can do

a half an hour where we talk about like you know you're working at the Star and the Globe and the Post like you're everywhere and then you're at Chatelaine

and we can talk a little about Nusa Palusa yes come to Nusa everyone so fun come to Nusa don't forget about Nusa and then though

then when I really get to know sarah boswell is when she we i hear the music she loves and why she loves and that's what that's what i was like absolutely i want to come on this because that's music to me like i'll talk about it anytime all the time because i do think it is who we are you know if we're if we listen to music if we're music lovers i think music lovers and not everyone's a music lover. I've had a few people say, pass on this because they simply don't love music. Can you imagine? There are people like that.

I'll tell you the names after, but big prominent media names who are like, I'm not a music person. Yeah. I think you have to be a music person to be able to really, which happens to be 99% of us. I think, well,

we're all like, you know, pretty creative minds to a certain degree and, you know, drawn to stories a certain degree and you know drawn to stories for yourself sarah well i am that's all i can do it's all you can ever do but i've uh like i feel hearing your jams and why you love the jams now i know sarah the deep dive we can get the bio and we can get the like what you've done and why and stuff, but to get to truly know you. So in other words,

I've changed my mind on this hard rule, obviously. Okay. Where sometimes, you're right. If Steven Brunt's coming on, I want to have the,

the 90 minutes first. Yeah. And then come back and kick up the jams because Steven, Steven Brunt. Steven's kind of a big deal. Kind of a big deal.

Not that you're not as big a deal as Steven. I'm not as big a deal as Steven. But you're much younger than Steven. So there's not as much. I don't have as much life to tell. Right.

So you, we can do that half an hour. I sang M. Greiner in my bedroom when I was a kid. Oh, you're making me sad because I'm thinking of that song M. Greiner wrote for my buddy. I'm sorry. No, don't be sorry. But it's amazing that you picked an artist that wrote a song for somebody very close to me. Because there's not a lot. I don't know.

I think that might be the only example I have of an artist who wrote a song for somebody close to me. Well, not everybody can even say that, you know? Okay, if you want to have like a reunion where there's Ron Hawkins and I'm Griner and me, I would lose my shit and I would have the best time ever. So I think you should make that happen. I probably can make that happen. I'll see what I can do.

I will make an ass of myself though. Are you ready to kick out your last jam? Yes, I am. I am. Bye. All day long I think of things But nothing seems to satisfy Think I'll lose my mind If I don't find something to pacify Can you help me

Occupy my brain Oh yeah Wow! Black Sabbath. Paranoid. Wow. Black Sabbath. Paranoid. Why did I pick that one, Mike? Noozapalooza. Noozapalooza.

Everybody come. Connor of Black Sabbath always plays a Sabbath song during our set. You better play a Sabbath song during your set. Yeah, I came in here in my fringe leather jacket too. There's usually some fringe leather jacket too there's usually some fringe i think that's so i took two photos of us before because it was dark i know i never done it before that's the first time i've done the photo if this had gone terrible terribly bad i'd still have a photo so you couldn't say no to them but i posted the other picture and this guy

uh i'm gonna say hi to him now uh jason Beatty beats on Instagram told me I had a creeper face. So I'm going to use the one with you showing off the, wait, you already posted this photo. You took it on Instagram. Oh my God. You're so fast. How'd you do that?

I did it during my jam. He's like, come on, but tell me, uh, do you, do you love black Sabbath? Yes.

I'm not as big a black Sabbath nerd as my husband. He thinks I'm a poser for being in Conor Black Sabbath. He's still a very good supporter. Are you wearing a Ramone shirt? No, this is a Hatch print shop in Nashville. No, but Sabbath, I need to tell you the story of how we came up with this name.

We were at Post Drinks. We were welcoming Emery Owens, who's the excellent editor-in-chief of The Post, back. She was at The Post before and-in-chief of The Post, back. She was at The Post before and left for McLean's and came back. And we were sitting around chatting, and somebody at the table was like, we're just talking about band names.

And then they were like, Conrad Black Sabbath for a band name for us. And I was like, oh my God, we are amassing a band for Noosa Palooza. It's happening. So we talked about it loosely before, and then we were like, no, now we have a name. Like, so obviously the name came first. And then we got Kagan McLeod aboard, who's like the illustrator who does a lot of stuff for the Post. And he's just a creative genius. And he does a lot of amazing art.

And so, you know, we always have some kind of concept. So we've had before he painted, live painted while we were performing a portrait of Conor Black. And then last year he did Donald Trump because our art, you know, it was kind of creepy. Actually, last year we did like a rap about Trump and like, wouldn't it be crazy if he got elected? And so it was the weekend before the election. And so we, yeah. Did that really happen? And then it happened and we're like, it happened, right?

Sometimes I'm not sure if I'm dreaming at all no it happened and and so uh there's always some performance arty element and so uh it just kind of grew into it and like drew hasselback's an amazing guitar player we got stewart bell who now is at global but did uh national security reporting does global have a band no not yet yet, but that's the fear, right? Our band will get broken up by these. But the rules, luckily, as we discussed, are pretty flex. Lucy goosey.

Can a podcast enter a band? Maybe. I think so. Honestly, I think you could. A one-man band, I think. You could do it, but there are judges who will judge you and then give you points. That's okay. People can judge me.

You might want that bedazzled trophy. It's pretty rad. Sarah, that was way too much fun. It was. What is this, by the way? Wednesday night? Yes. It was a Wednesday night.

Oh, that was way too much fun for a Wednesday night. Cold brew, good company, and great jams. Even though there's a country slant and candy and take as many please i can steal from your kids no i've already stolen it from my kids you're stealing from me okay actually i think you put it right in front of my seat trust me that was they're all yours uh thank you for doing this because uh you you had a country slant to your songs but there was not a single jam where I had to pretend I liked it. Like I did with,

uh, maybe your country comfort who had the, the pit bull song. And I had to pretend. Whoa, whoa, whoa. You're outing yourself now.

You're nonjudgmental. So thank you for doing this. Thank you for having me. And that brings us to the end of our 278th show. You can follow me on Twitter. I'm at Toronto Mike. Sarah is at Sarah Boseveld with a D. I'm going to spell this because this is not a normal.

Come on. It can't be Sarah Smith. That's all. Can it be Sarah Smith? No. Dutch. It is Dutch. I've been told my last name is Dutch.

But anyway, Sarah is at Sarah with an H and then B-O-E-S-V as in Victor, E-L-D, D mother F or D. Yeah, you totally just read it out like I would to like a source or the bank or something. But do you do the D mother F or D? No, I don't. Do the right thing? But I definitely do the V as in Victor thing and the D, I get made fun of at work. You got to do that.

Definitely do the V as in Victor thing and the D. I get made fun of at work. You got to do that. Our friends at Great Lakes Brewery are at Great Lakes Beer. And propertyinthesix.com is at Brian Gerstein. And PayTM is at PayTM Canada. See you all next week. And I don't know what the future can hold or do for me and you. But I'm a much better man for having known you.

Oh, you know that's true because everything is coming up rosy and green. Yeah, the wind is cold, but the smell of snow won't stay today. And your smile is fine, and it's just like mine, and it won't be today and your smile is fine and it's just like mine and it won't go away cause everything is rosy and gray