Toronto Mike'd: The Official Toronto Mike Podcast - Sean Cullen: Toronto Mike'd #349

Episode Date: June 14, 2018

Mike chats with Sean Cullen about Corky and the Juice Pigs, his many television appearances and trying to make it in Canadian comedy.

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And Camp Tournesol, the leading French summer camp provider in Ontario. I'm Mike from torontomike.com and joining me this week is funny man Sean Cullen. Hello there.

Nice to see you. Nice to see you. The first thing I noticed about you is your glasses. Yeah, I'm wearing glasses. Yes, but neat glasses. Can I call them neat? Well, sure. They're the John Lennon collection, so they're the round, the kind of horn rim, but more like Harry Potter, I guess, would be more like what they look like.

For my whole life, I never noticed glasses, but now that I actually need to buy a pair of glasses for the first time, that's all I see now are glasses. Well, I didn't really need glasses until about, I don't know, about five years ago.

I thought you were saying five minutes ago. Five minutes ago and then I found these and then suddenly realized I hadn't been able to see for many years. I think those are

Ann Romer's glasses. So five years ago, are you nearsighted or farsighted? I can't see to read that's all otherwise I can find so it helps but you know when you're always on your phone

you never want to take your glasses off that's the problem we're always reading now do we learn? that's a great question we don't learn, we absorb lots of information we retain very very little of it. It's all very like instant gratification.

I'll read something. Oh, that's interesting. But five minutes later, don't ask me what I just learned that was interesting. I didn't retain it. That's Twitter for you. That is. That's what it's all about. Oh, I can relearn this and forget it in two seconds.

Like a goldfish. Here's a new conflict that I have to dive into. Right. That's right. Are you a soccer fan by any chance? I'm a huge soccer fan. I say I'm a huge soccer fan. I used to have season tickets for the

TFC, and I did for the first five years, and then they were just so crap that I couldn't stand it anymore, and I stopped getting the season tickets. Is this the same period when David Miller got really upset, right? I remember he was like a season's ticket holder. He got really pissed off.

He might have gave up his seasons or something. I think he did. And maybe you jumped on the Miller bandwagon. I did. Well, I jumped on them. Everybody did. But no, I mean, it was quite frustrating, and they just seemed to shoot themselves in the foot

and rehire and fire and fire and hire. And finally, they got a little stability, and now they're quite good, although they're having a tough season. Tough season. My buddy, he has tickets in the supporter section. That's a crazy section. And that's the only time I ever go

is when he gives me the other ticket. And so I think it's always like that. I'm spoiled. The red patch boys. It's amazing. Yeah, it's good fun, though. I mean, of all the live sporting events you can see in Toronto, I think that's probably the best one.

Best? For fan experience, anyway. I'm with you. There's no ambiance quite like that in Toronto sports. Raptors can get kind of close at the right time, right game, but nothing like TFC. That's true. I mean, the Raptors, though, they have to make noise constantly.

There's constantly something playing on the PA systems. Like, ooh, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't. And then, like, what's weird is when you listen to the Raptors and then you listen to, like, a hockey game, the Leafs game, absolute silence. Like, nothing. They stop the music when the puck is dropped. And then it's complete silence.

Right. And then when you're in the stadium, it's quite weird. And then, you know, it gets loud again as soon as the puck is dropped and then it's complete silence right and then when you're in the stadium it's quite weird and then you know it gets loud again as soon as the puck there's a whistle but it's weird that is strange about i always wondered like in basketball like the guy's dribbling the ball up the court and there's like a rap song playing over the overhead speaker i know it's insane how they can concentrate i have no idea and i like well tfc there is no like there's no one telling you when to make noise like there, there is no instructions from the scoreboard. Like, let's make some noise. Well, in the early days, they did.

But then, you know, people really took over. Right. From the beginning and when Diccio scored the first goal in history. And then now they sing, oh, Danny Diccio every, I forget what. 23rd? 23rd minute. 22nd or 23rd. Yeah.

So it's pretty exciting. And they provide their own entertainment. I mean, even to the point where, you know, the national anthem, they sing it instead of they have someone to come on and sing it, and then they just end up, they usually just play an instrumental version, and the crowd sings the anthem.

The reason I brought up soccer is, although last night I didn't watch the game, but I heard that TFC had some big comeback. Well, they were down 3-0. Then they scored one, and then it went up 4-1. And then they came back and tied it in the 93rd minute at four. You don't see that too often. Four goals in the second half to tie the game.

Yeah, that's crazy. But why did you get into that position in the first place is what I ask myself. Against the second worst team in the Eastern Conference. Oh, that's where I was going with telling you my buddy had the seasons. He tells me that we were so focused on the con cake half champions thing that it totally like, and to me, that's so unique. Like imagine if the Leafs went and played some other tournament in Europe

or something and then messed up their regular season. They didn't make the playoffs. Football's different. Soccer's different. Like UEFA Cup and the European Champions League, those are more important almost than winning your own. You need to win or come in second in your own league before you can get into the CONCACAF or like into the UEFA cup or

whatever. But that that's really a huge, like it's incredible. And what I was really hoping was the TFC could win the CONCACAF. They got to with the penalty kicks. And if they had won that there, they have the world club cup, which is like the world cup only with the club winners from all of the different associations. So that would have been amazing. And that's so close, like penalty kicks.

It was annoying. I hate penalty kicks. You just want someone to play until they make a mistake and then they lose. But football's always been like that. I don't get it. So I brought it up because,

as you know, as a soccer fan, we're going to host some World Cup games in eight years. Ten World Cup games at least between Edmonton, Montreal, and Toronto. That's pretty exciting. Hopefully, it'll mean that we qualify automatically. It's interesting we don't know yet, though.

Don't you think that should be possible? They don't know, but they've never had three... Well, they've had two people host a cup. I think they had Japan and South Korea hosted two World Cups ago or three World Cups ago, but they've never had three. So the difference is that's the first year they go from, I think, 32 teams to 46. That's a big jump. And so there'll be more room to have pre-qualified teams, I guess.

So we'll see. They haven't really decided that yet. That's exciting because, I mean, if there's 10 in Canada amongst those three cities, I'd put some good money on at least four matches taking place here in the Big Smoke. You would think so. Well, that's why we built the National Soccer Center,

which is basically what BMO is supposed to be, the National Soccer Stadium. But they're going to have to add another 42, no, they're going to have to add another 15,000 seats to the arena before they can host the event. Exciting time. Exciting time. It's exciting time for soccer fans.

Super fun. I'm very excited. I mean, I hope that Italy qualifies and Portugal qualifies and all the teams that will make it an amazing event to be part of this country's first ever World Cup host. Well, that's not true. The women hosted the World Cup in 2015. Yes, that's right.

Are you, okay, so this particular World Cup, which starts like now, very soon, do you have a rooting interest? Well, you know, I guess I always kind of wish England would win. They're kind of the Toronto Maple Leafs of the football world, international football world. They're always, we invented this game and now everybody's beating us at it. Right. But they can never seem to get it together.

Like they're always a team of stars and not a uh a unit you know like the way you watch the way portugal won the european cup they kind of backed into it by tying everyone and going to penalty kicks like they never really dominated but they played as a team very well right and even though they do have stars they played a very conservative game. And that's what Germany does. Germany plays a great conservative defensive game and then capitalizes on mistakes and then gets a couple of goals on you unless you're Brazil and then they get eight. But I'm kind of pulling for them. I really love Iceland. I love the story. They just happen to have this perfect storm of all this young,

incredible talent in such a tiny little country. And it's not a mystery that they're doing well because they all have players in the premiership and then Serie A and other leagues. But it's just a great story that, you know, at the European Championship semifinal, half the country was at the game. There's only 300,000 people. Right, right.

There's more people. You can throw a rock in Toronto and hit more people than that. I wonder where the Iceland Centre is going to be in the World Cup here in Toronto. The Iceland Community Centre. I don't know where that would be. I know they'll play lots of Bjork. They will, for sure. Or sugar cubes. There you go. And some Viking music.

I don't know, but I'm excited for that. I guess the teams, I live in a very Portuguese neighborhood, so that will be insane if they win. And they double dip Portugal. I know this because I used to work at the Galleria Mall. They double dip.

So they'll take on Portugal, which is where they're all from, or their parents are from at least, but they also take on Brazil. I find it a little unfair. You can't do that, can you? They have two countries, you know. There's not a lot of countries that speak Portuguese in the world. That's it, I think. I think that might be it.

But there's, you know, this time around, it might be the Brazilians who jump on Portugal because Brazil does not seem as strong as they usually are. They have Neymar, but they have not had a really rough time. They haven't done well. And same with Argentina. So it's going to be interesting to see who gets through. Spain and Portugal are in the same group and they're both favorites, so that's going to be exciting. I still can't believe the Italians aren't there. That just seems so strange.

It makes it sad. And the Dutch as well. They're great, fun people to hang around with during the World Cup. The school bar or pub down in Liberty Village will be sad and empty. Full of tears. They'll be drinking cups of tears. Out of their wooden shoes. Their wooden shoes.

That's great. Now, I need to tell you an update, a very important update, that my wife doesn't listen to every episode. In fact, lately I've noticed she rarely listens to Toronto Mic'd, which is, I don't know if I should be offended or what. It's called familiarity breeds contempt.

That's what happens. But last night, on our commute home, she had some sewing group got together downtown, which I said you should all make matching jackets. That'd be cool. I know, because they're sewing anyways. But she listened to the Ann Romer episode, which we recorded yesterday.

This was a big deal. I'm surprised there wasn't more coverage. I checked the Trouble Star. People love Ann Romer. She's fit. She's a beautiful woman. She's running for a counselor. Isn't that right?

Oh, I broke that story. Well, she hasn't been declared yet. She's strongly thinking about it. Well, that's good. Well, she'd be a good counselor. I think so. That's right. So my wife listened to that episode

and then she told me afterwards, I said, well, what did you think? Because she hasn't listened in a long time. And I think the last time she listened might have been at Roz or Mocha or something, which was like five years ago or something. And then she said that it was really good, really great,

but she said it was too inside. And I said, well, what do you mean it's too inside? And she says, I should point out, she grew up in Edmonton. She did not grow up in Toronto. She didn't get the Toronto references. Too many names, yeah.

Too much, like Jojo Chinto. It's called Toronto Mike. Right. I said, oh names, yeah, too much, like Jojo Chinto. It's called Toronto Mike. Right. I said, oh, so you heard too many names like Jojo Chinto, and this was too inside Toronto for you. And I smiled, and I said, thank you. That's what it's all about. That's what it's all about.

More Jojo Chinto on this show. More Jojo Chinto, please. And if you don't know who Jojo is, maybe you'll learn. You've got to earn this. You've got to earn this show. He's one of those great journalists who wears a bow tie. That's right. Very few of them.

There's only two, right? No can ash. Okay. Steven LeDrew, who is on CP24. Oh, that's right. He wears one. He was here two weeks ago. Oh, and how was he?

Didn't wear a bow tie. Oh, well, you know, he's not working. That's right. That's right. He didn't know about the photo afterwards. That's right. We about my son my four-year-old is gonna lose his mind when he sees the shirt you're wearing he's reading he's got it's called five minute stories and it's it's all about um what do they call the avengers the avengers and he learned in this because it's it's made for young people so he talks about hey everyone's calling captain america they call

him cap yeah this is like his nickname or whatever. And this is his big fun fact. He's telling everyone, do you know what Captain America's nickname is? It's Cap. He loves Captain America. Well, Captain America, you know, it's funny because I never really would have thought that I'd like Captain America because it's pretty, you know,

He's like a Boy Scout, right? Yeah, but in this time that America is going through, his kind of struggle with the values, like he's trying to be a good guy. And, you know, he's actually a really kind of interesting character. And the way Chris Evans plays him is really kind of like this troubled,

you know, look at what's happening to my country kind of feeling. And that's to do with the writing, but also the character, characterization, I think is really great. And I never would have thought he would have been my favorite, but I think he's close to my favorite of the Avengers for sure. Cap, I tried to tell my boy about Captain Canuck, but then he's like, well, is he in the Avengers? And that's too much explanation.

No. No. Yeah, it was Captain Canuck, but then he's like, well, is he in the Avengers? And that's too much explanation. No. Yeah, it was Captain Canuck, right? Yeah. When I was a kid, I thought he was a bigger deal because I guess I was the right age when there was some kind of a... The one comic came out? Right. So I assumed he was on par with all these other guys like Incredible Hulk,

but no. Well, you're just a child. You're quite stupid. I was really, really stupid. Not you in particular, but all children are dumb. You're right. You have no sense of perspective. You're right. You gotta earn that, too You have no sense of perspective. You're right. You've got to earn that, too. So one fun fact for you, I think, is at the end of the Ann Romer episode,

the epic Ann Romer episode, I just said at the end, I think I said, Sean Cullen's in tomorrow, like promoting it. And she, after we stopped recording, she goes, I'm pretty sure, she looks at me and she goes, I'm pretty sure I'm related to Sean Cullen, but I can't remember how. Oh, we might be cousins.

Have you heard this before? I vaguely remember hearing this before. That's a crazy coincidence. How small a world is this? Well, she's quite small. And yeah, I think it's possible. I don't know how. I've heard this before, but I can't remember where. Well, she's heard this before. She's like, Sean Cullen, I'm related to Sean Cullen. Well, how? I can't remember where well she's heard this before because she's like sean cullen i'm related to sean cullen i mean well how i can't remember she says but to me my mind was

exploding because what i think i always joke about how canadian media everyone's connected to everyone else it's unbelievable like i should whiteboard it like the wire it's dirty it's dirty incestuous filth that's exactly right but this is another level like your cousins or something like uh well we're not kissing cousins or anything like that. Not kissing? No. No, you wish. Now, Jill Deacon, she came on and then I had, I don't think so. Do you have young children?

Yes, I do. How young? I have one who's 10 and one who's 8. And Jill is, yeah, she has a show. Here and Now. Yeah. And she, look at that big yellow tooth. Okay, so does this mean anything to you?

I can tell by your eyes it does not. No, no. Okay, so your kids are a bit older for this. Yeah. So I also, so I have the four-year-old and two-year-old. So Splashin' Boots are a big deal in this house. And they came over for an episode. It was fantastic.

Splashin' Boots are on Treehouse TV. Are those those two red-haired women? No. There's a blonde woman who wears high boots. Oh, right. Oh, yeah, yeah. There's Splash. He wears a yellow shirt.

Yes. I always joke they look like they're from Sweden. They do look like a half-cover band. That's right. But here's the fun fact story. It was revealed to me by Jill Deacon that she is first cousins with Boots from Splashin' Boots.

Oh my god, they look so much alike. And I thought I had a similar story with you and Ann Romero. Well, it's slowly everyone's going to be related to everyone because that's the way it goes. That's right. So we got to do like some incest,

what is it called? Ancestry. That's a new, that's a different. Ancestry is a different website. Different website. Don't go there. Well, go there if you're into it,

but don't go there if you're not. You'll be disappointed and frightened. Yesterday's conversation with Anne was so, I was so into it that I forgot until the very end to talk about my friends at Paytm Canada so I'm going to do them right now I'd love to hear all about Paytm

how do I pay all my bills in one place? great recall I'm impressed right there it's so easy you go to paytm.ca you download this app, it's free on your smartphone and And then here's the thing, and I hope everyone listening does this. When you make your first bill payment, and it's really easy to set up, even I can do it. But when you make your first bill payment, there's a place for promo code. You put in Toronto Mike, all one word, and Paytm will give you $10 in cash that you can use towards any other bill. That's just free money. That's tremendous. And is this a completely secure app?

Completely secure. These guys, I learned, I went, I had, you know, I don't just accept sponsors off the street. You know, I have to go check them out and stuff. I went to their office at Adelaide. Where was Adelaide? And Simcoe, whatever. Downtown, I went to the office.

This company is massive in India. Okay, in India, which a billion people live in India. They're like, uh, do some Googling on Paytm. They're massive. They're like, everyone uses Paytm,

but they use Paytm like to transfer money to each other. Uh, we're sort of early. We're sort of getting into that here now, but right now it's the ideal place to manage all your bills. Cause you can use, uh, your credit card to get points on your credit card.

Super easy, no charge. And then you get points that you can redeem in the redeeming section. It sounds like a win-win-win-win-win. It's too good to be true, to be honest. But I've been using it

for about a year now, I'd say. And yeah, even if you, you know, even their support is amazing if you require that. Like these guys are are just solid citizens. Anything that can be popular in India can't be all bad. There's a lot of people in India.

There are a lot of people there if they like it. What are we, 35 million here? 35 million. What is that in India? They laugh at that. That would be like downtown Delhi. Grain of sand on the beach, they'd say. Okay. Do you speak French?

Your name is Gaelic. Do you speak Gaelic? No. Because Sean Cullen, your family comes from Ireland. Well, background, yeah, long ago, like 1837. Same here, same here. Yeah, way back. But when you need to adopt, not this year,

there's no Ireland in the World Cup, but normally I would adopt, just out of respect for my grandmother who loved Irish stuff, I would adopt that team as my team. Of course, my mother loves Irish stuff as well. But they're not here. They're not.

Sadly, nobody, only one British Isles represented at this time. You should send your children to French camp. No pressure, but it's good for them. You mean the tournesol? The camp tournesol. The camp tournesol, the sunflower of French camps? Very good, yes.

They've been in operation since 2001. They're the largest French camps in Ontario. If you have a child between the ages of 4 and 14, they have an overnight or day camp for your child. So go to campt.ca and check out what they have. I mean, I'm looking at it now. If you have a French immersion child, they have a day camp for that.

They have an overnight French immersion for grades 7 and 8. If your child's between 8 and 15, they have overnight camps in Ontario. There's leadership programs. There's leadership programs. There's a 13-day trip to Quebec, which Gord Depp from Spoons, he was going to fake his age just to get in on that.

He was so excited to hear about that. C'est bon ça. So, campt.ca. And when you sign your child up for French camp, which you should do now because school ends in like a couple of weeks. They're going to have to occupy them somehow. Do it. And use the promo code Mike.

Can you get $20 off? And then they know you heard about it on the Sean Cohen episode of Toronto Mike. Nana Muscuri. Have you ever seen Nana Muscuri in concert? I've never seen her, witnessed her live, no. She's still touring at the age of 83. She's got beautiful glasses. She's got long black hair.

Does she wear the wig? She still has, I don't know how she does it at 83, but She's got long black hair. Does she wear the wig? She still has. I don't know how she does it at 83, but she still has luxurious black hair. There's this weird European stars like Nana Muscuri and Yanni. And you go, who are you people? Like, how did you get popular all over the world? It's weird.

It's funny because Nana Muscuri, I know she's from Greece. She's a Greek star. But Jay Onright from TSN was here, and we were doing that Nana Musgrave, I know she's from Greece. She's a Greek star. But Jay Onright from TSN was here, and we were doing that Nana Musgrave thing, and he could have sworn she was Canadian. Because I think if you grow up with somebody kind of around when you're young, you assume everybody's local. Yeah, that's true. Like you said, we're stupid.

Well, the children are stupid. And Jay Onright, especially as a a child was quite feeble-minded. You're right. I think he grew up near Edmonton, too. He did. Athabasca. Athabasca is a sweet, sweet part of Alberta. So you've been there?

I've driven through it, I think. Yeah. It's really, really, really nice. So I can't call it the greater Edmonton area. It is a place under itself. I think it's farther on. Sort of like Hamilton. More north.

You can't call Hamilton greater Toronto area. That's its own city. It is a place I think it's farther on. Sort of like Hamilton. You can't call Hamilton a greater Toronto area. That's its own city. It is really. Your golden horseshoe, I guess you could incorporate it that way. That's right. That's right. You have a pack, a six-pack in front of you. Yeah, I do. It looks like amazing. It's Great Lakes Brewery.

We have six different types of beer in here. Wow. What's this? Oh, the Canuck. I like the Canuck Pale Ale. It's a man, a muscular man holding an axe on it. Then there's the Sunnyside Session IPA. A little lighter than your regular IPA and quite delicious. Let's see.

What else have we got in here? Oh, there's two Lumberjacks, but one of them is quite feeble-looking. The Body Double, a Belgian Ale, which will be a little heavier for those of you who like a full-bodied brew and let's see what's this uh there's the pompous ass english ale which is we'll have a musty scent and if you like i think we doubled up that one i think oh you did that's all right that's a nice one you wanted to get me double musty pompous and there's uh the sunnyside ipa sessionA again. So you doubled up a couple.

I feel disappointed. Do they not have an IPA? Yeah, of course they do. In fact, isn't the Sunnyside an IPA? It's a Session IPA, which is different. Okay, it's different. Okay, I'll check and see if I can help you. I have some other beers in the corner there.

Don't worry, you're all fine. Let me take care of you. I take care of my guests here on the show. It's beautiful. You know, I was expecting no beer at all. Is that right? So this is perfect. You came here just for the conversation It's beautiful. You know, I was expecting no beer at all. Is that right? So this is perfect. You came here just for the conversation. Well, I didn't think I was getting anything.

I thought it was just a delicious encounter. And otherwise, it's great. I'll go home and pound all these sticks back and pass out. Crush them. Crush them right now. Crush them here. This is Father's Day weekend, right? It is. I'll just be hammered all weekend and the children as a father's day present can

try and get me to alcoholics anonymous this is for you dad so the six pack is yours not just as a decoration a tabletop decoration that is actually yours it is going home with you oh nice you're going to need a pint glass to pour that tasty beer into. So there's also another gift for you. That pint glass is yours. Oh, and who is this from? Brian Gerstein.

Brian Gerstein is a sales representative with PSR Brokerage, and he's at propertyinthesix.com. Everybody should go there right now. But Sean, he also recorded a message for you, which is going to be a nice segue into where I want to begin this discussion. So let's hear from Brian. Propertyinthe6.com

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Okay. There are lots of buying opportunities out there now and variable mortgage rates are very attractive now. They certainly are. So let me help you take advantage. I'd like that. Sean, thanks to YouTube, I caught up on your Mad TV videos,

which are hilarious. Thank you. There has to be a story behind how you named yourselves Corky and the Juice Pigs. Well. Can you spill the beans? I can spill the beans. Well, the thing is, we just wanted to pick a weird name that people would remember, and we always kind of liked blah and the blahs, something and the somethings.

So we just thought, well, we'll call it Corky. We kind of liked Corky. It was Phil's well, we'll call it Corky. We kind of liked Corky. It was Phil's idea. Phil liked the name Corky. Phil Nickel, who was in the group at the time. Right. And he loved the name Corky, and so we added the juice pigs just because pigs have juice.

But people always wondered why it was juice pigs and did we just love juice? Because that's not a thing, right? Like juice pigs don't exist. It's not a juice pig, no. No, there's no such thing as a juice pig. Because I'm not an agriculturalist. I thought maybe there were these juice pigs.

Unless there's a pig that produces an enormous amount of juice. I don't know. Or maybe they just really like electrical power. I will tell you now. Well, let me hear the origin story here. So maybe give us a little background on how Corky and the Juice Pigs come to be

then I'll play a little bit and then I'll berate you of more annoying questions about Corky and the Juice Pigs because I loved Corky and the Juice Pigs well that's good we started off in University of Windsor we were all at the acting program there and we heard about

an amateur comedy contest sponsored by a brewery i think it was at that time schooner schooner comedy schooner was just coming out for labats and they were doing a tour and we went down to the the university pub and we entered and we put together a five minute bit of comedy. And we won that. So we went on to the finals, which were on global television and hosted by Bobby Bittman, Fred Levy, not Fred Levy, Eugene Levy.

The better Levy, maybe. Maybe. It's debatable. It's hard to say. Both look the same. They're interchangeable. And we came in third i think and so then we started uh we went out to do some amateur comedy nights at the yuck yucks in toronto and

then decided that we got hired on there and we started touring during that summer between years of school uh and i never went back to university but i was in my third year and i just was you know getting terrible marks so i just said i'll leave and uh we started touring and we toured all over the country with yuck x for one year and then we started doing our own shows and traveling and doing all the things that you i guess know about corky and the juice pigs cork so you had a your you start in uh your first offering i suppose, and it's in 1992. This is a cassette only. I actually never owned this one.

Buc-A-Song. Buc-A-Song. Yeah, I forget what was on it. Probably Don't Put a Pickle on My Burger was on that thing. I can't remember what else was on there. Todd, maybe? Do you own a copy of this? I don't think I do.

Oh, that's interesting. I was wondering. I don't know. They were very... You know, always at the time, you're like, oh, I'll have a million of these Oh, that's interesting. I was wondering. I don't know. They were very... Always at the time, you're like, oh, I'll have a million of these forever. Then you forget to save one. Stick one in a box somewhere. Someone's got them somewhere.

It has a pig nose on the front. Okay, Buc-A-Song. Buc-A-Song, like our pig nose logo. And yeah, Buc-A-Song. Don't put a pig on my burger. That was the first thing we recorded. And then our second was Corky and the Juice Peaks, the eponymous album. The eponymous. Here, I have a song for that one.

Here's one of my favorites from. So let's get a taste of. White and black, the friendly bears of China. White and black, they rarely reproduce. What shall be done about these Chinese bears? What shall be done about these Chinese bears? What shall be done about these friendly bears? Die, they must die, the pandas must die Die, they must die, the pandas must die

Why should we save them, what good do they do? Have you ever seen a panda do something good for you? They can't wear t-shirts, they can't buy basketballs They can't walk tightrope, overnight I propose Die, they must die, the pandas must die Here's a fun fact. Maybe it's not, but I was a big Humble and Fred fan. Yeah. And they had a parody. I think the guy who did it was Jamie Watson was his name.

It was Die Die They Must Die Humble and Fred Must Die I heard about that I have it somewhere I should have dug it up That was our Ska song on that album. Ska was big at the time. We were big fans of Ska, for sure. And that was a really fun recording.

We always get lots of trouble. The thing is, people take things quite literally. It's a comedy, right? You always expect people to go, Oh, I get it, you're just being funny. But there's always people, how dare you say that about the pandas? They're nice bears.

And you're like, well, of course I don't want to kill a pandas. I'm just saying the obvious wrong thing to be funny. No, I, yes. On that note, at the same time, In Utero comes out by Nirvana, and one of their songs is called Rape Me.

And it was clearly an anti-rape song, as it should be. We should all be anti-rape. I'm anti-rape. I'm very anti-rape. Every day of the week. Right. And there, of course, there's always that segment of the podcast. You can't even say that word.

You can't say Rape Me. It sounds like you're encouraging rape and you're pro-rape, and these people just don't get it. Yeah, the pandas must die. I found it very funny. Yeah, well, thank you. Well, that's our... I was your target audience, I think. Well, we get in trouble.

We used to do these PSAs where I would say, Hi, I'm Gary Coleman. A lot of you remember me as Fats Domino in the Space Monkey story. But I was born without a torso. Millions of kids were born without torsos every year. And you're like, when we get complaints from people, they'd be like, you can't live without a torso. It's totally impossible.

Why are you getting angry about this? These people don't exist. There's people defending people. They're jumping in. Yeah, everyone's very eager to be offended on someone else's behalf. It's very important. Very in vogue right now. It's very white.

It's a very white thing to be right now because you always go like, oh, I better jump on this before someone says that I'm a racist or a somethingist. About a decade ago, maybe longer, there was this website I enjoyed called Stuff White People Like.

Oh, yeah, good. And I remember, so I would read it. I'm married to a non-white person. That's of the story but i would tell her i would read it and one thing would be for example uh camping okay yeah there's this whole thing well we've spent thousands and thousands of years trying to get out of the elements and then to the idea of going oh you know it'd be great let's go poop in the woods and wipe our butts with leaves. And I don't want electricity. Like, no, keep it away from me.

I can't live without it. I'm not really excited about camping. I like the idea of being an outdoorsy type, but the reality is terrible. Because I camp every summer, and I love it. And then I started to, like, that was the first time I started to look at people I'm camping with at camps.

I go to provincial parks and stuff and I'll be looking around and I'm like, yeah, we're all white people here camping. Of course you're all white people.

It's like being at a, you know, Stuart McLean concert. Oh, Stuart McLean. Who's on recently? Ralph Ben-Murgy was on recently and he worked with Stuart

and he said some very nice things about working with Ralph, sorry, Ralph working with Stuart. Well, Ralph said some nice things about working with Ralph too. Right. He's Stuart. Ralph said some nice things about working with Ralph, too. He's an amazing guy. I heard from him today. He told me

today, just today, he told me he's a big Anne fan. I want to meet the people who aren't Anne Romer fans. Give me that list. Well, just let her run for office, and then you'll find out. I hope she runs. I hope she runs. People will find some reason to hate Ann Romer.

That's just the way politics is now. You cannot just accept anyone. If you can't find a reason, you're not looking hard enough. That's it. Okay, my favorite, and maybe it's because I watched too much Much Music as a teenager. I watched a lot of Much Music. You had an album after the Corky and the Juice Pigs album in 93. Pants.

Pants. Pants. That's right. And there was a single on Pants that got airplay on much music. We did a video for it, yeah. And I'll play it. You can talk over it if you want because it's longer than Pandas. It sure is. I loved this song.

In fact, I've had an MP3 for a long time now, and I still throw it in the mix. Here's some cult I hear. I still throw it in the mix. It's called Remember, but the R-E-M in Remember is all caps.

Yeah. How do you say that title? Just remember. Remember. Oh. Hey. Hey. You're very talented.

Oh, you know, I don't know if What's-His-Name would think so. What's-His-Name? Who's What's-His-Name? The singer from R.E.M. Oh, Michael Stipe. Michael Stipe. Yeah, he didn't like this. Is that right?

Yeah, we were touring in Ireland and they were touring there at the same time and people played it for him on a radio station. He was very upset. Come on, Michael. He wasn't upset. He was just like, he doesn't have much of a sense of humor, I don't think. And you could tell that by his persona, basically. And I liked in the headphones how you moved over there.

Very well done. Is that your idea? Oh, no. I'm not the guy who does that stuff. This was actually a really fun track. It's really good. Oh, no. I'm not the guy who does that stuff. This was actually a really fun track. It's really good. I'm not blowing smoke up your butt. We seem to know there.

There I was just a minute ago. I'm not there now, no. I'm here, here again, but a different here. An eternal here, an eternal now. And I'm walking, I'm moving. I see you, my eyes are looking. I know you're there because at the end of my look you're there. I have eyes in my head and I love you. That's the one line I don't like.

Which one? I love you. Because they never say the word love. Arianne never used the word love. Ever. They never write love songs. Vegetables. I haven't listened to this in years. Lots of Much Music Play, which was a big deal back then, right?

It went well back then when Much Music was playing music and not reality shows. But that's cool. And it was a good time. They really supported it well. And it was just great having it on the radio and on the television. You telling me that story about Michael Stipe not loving this parody, I haven't been so disappointed since I learned, I don't know, are you a baseball fan?

I am. Mike Wilner did not like the Fan 590 Don Landry parody of him called Sleepy Wilner, which was a character on the Gord Stelic and Don Landry morning show. Oh, I remember that. It's called Sleepy Wilner. And I had Wilner here. He's been over a few times. I'm one of the Wilner fans. I love Wilner.

Yeah, but a lot of people don't like him. Yeah, well, that's too bad. I'm one of the Wilner fans. I love Wilner. Yeah, but a lot of people don't like him. Yeah, well, that's too bad. He seems, you know, what I think people hate about him is that he's not like a typical... Fan. Like, he's not a...

He's not like a normal broadcaster who has hot takes. Like, he always is like, well, that's... Someone called him, well, you have to fire Gibby. I said, well, why fire Gibby? He'll always say, why? Right. What do you mean? He's not his fault. And he'll talk them around.

Like, I like that. Yeah, pragmatic, right? He's kind of pragmatic. Well, you can't fire everyone and put everybody off. So what's the point? And also, when you're a fan and you're calling in a show,

and if not, like last season, yeah, last season we started something like two and nine. We started the season two and nine. Yeah, we stank hard. Yeah. And, you know, people, of course, we're fans, right? Fanatics.

They call up Wilner after the game and like, it's over. That's the thing. It's over. It's done. Like, we're not. Eleven games in and it's over? That's a good Wilner. Yeah.

I can only do short spurts. And the two words which people love to use against him, which he would say would be, it's early. That would be like the Wilner, it's early. It's early. It's 62 games in. Yeah, it's not early anymore. We're in trouble.

But, you know, that was bound to happen. Right. I'm excited for the next year, though, when little Vlad the Impaler comes up, starts hitting home runs all over the place. His thighs are like our waist. I know. He's kind of like a Cecil Fielder in the making.

I'm worried about him, and he should get some weight counseling just to make sure he keeps it tight. Because he's only six feet tall, and he's already 250 pounds. I think... I'm 270 pounds. But again, it's all in the thighs.

But you're right. And I think Keegan Matheson covers the Blue Jays. He's got an independent website. I wish I could... Is it Baseball Toronto? Maybe something like that? Maybe. Support this guy because he's a Maritimer

and all Maritimers are lovely people. They really are, of course. But he told me that he talked to some old-timer scout who told him he likes a hitter who can't buy pants off the rack. Like if you have to get your pants custom made. A powerful ass, just like a violently powerful ass that explodes. All the power comes through your ass, so that's important. So if you have a big ass and huge thighs, then...

That's why Nicki Minaj is going to be one of the greatest hitters of all time. Absolutely. I agree 100%. Let's talk for a moment here. I have a jam for this one too here. These guys, because I have asked you some questions about kind of a parallel for a brief moment in time here. And if there's someone you can't live without, then do so. here but and if there's someone you can live without couldn't you so

and if there's someone you can just show did you know that excuse me I'm all choked up here but Stephen Page's

cousin speaking of relations is Steve Simmons from the Toronto Sun really Steve told me

that himself wow so there I'm going to tell you how everyone's connected. So I bring them up because you toured, Corky and the Juice Pigs toured with Barenaked Ladies back in, when was this? Early 90s, late 80s? Very early 90s.

We toured with just Steve and Ed. They were opening for us, and we did a tour across Canada, colleges and stuff. And they went from there a lot of the seminal things, it's funny like the song Enid was about a girl they met

in a bar called Spanky's in Moncton who she was the waitress there Enid, you know little weird things like that but yeah they kind of started their residency at that bar in Kensington and added the

Cregan brothers and Tyler and just kind of solidified what they actually were going to be. So for this moment in time, though, I mean, the Barenaked Ladies, as we kind of hear here, they were kind of at the beginning, at least I'm not going to say comedic, but kind of comedic.

Yeah. Kind of like Corky the Juice Pig. Well, they had their element. Sure, there was the Barenaked Ladies and people like, what's it? Jean Gomeschi's old band. Oh, exactly. King of Sponsai was the king of Spain. Yeah, but I'm trying to think of their name.

Yeah, they are called the I Eat Humble Pie. I forget. Oh, and Stuck in the 90s, I remember that video got a lot of airplay, name. Yeah, they are called the I Eat Humble Pie. I forget. Oh, and Stuck in the 90s, I remember. That video got a lot of airplay, too. What are they called? Why can't we do that? Well, you keep talking. That's all right.

But there were kind of some humorously based bands. And, you know, I think one of the problems, like, you know, they went on and, you know, had some very big international hits, the ladies. And they did very well everywhere. So that was great. I mean, as you get older, like, I don't know. I'm not going to say anything bad about the Berenig ladies. Because I'm friends with Tyler.

We're pretty close friends. We play on a hockey team together called the Jokers. Oh, cool. Who else is on that team? Do you know Heino? Have you ever seen Heino? No. Not a stop ahead.

Well, it's a guy named Mark Hickox. He does a lot of, he's a Second City guy. Ted Basilian, Steve Levine. These are all comics that I know. And, you know, you probably wouldn't know anybody. My wife would say that's two inside baseball. Sam Roberts played on our team for

a brief time. Also Scott Thompson has played on it. We've had Doug Gilmore play for us and Rick Vive. Gilmore's still my favorite player of all time. I'd say for me it's Wendell Clark because he could score and then punch you to death.

All heart, man. If you had to. He left it all out there on the ice. No, I loved him too. Moxie Fruvis is the name of the band. That's the name of the band. Moxie Fruvis. And they really didn't have legs,

but the ladies did. And the ladies are amazing musicians. Like, they're really... You know, they're all incredible they're really, you know, they're all incredible musicians. And, you know, when we were starting out, they gave us a tape. And one of the songs was Wishing Well

that they did a cover of with the Casio. Oh, that's Terrence Tenderby. Yeah, of course. And that was quite cute. And we just thought these guys have some kind of sense of humor and they're fun. So we decided to have them tour with us. And they ended up doing much better than we ever did, certainly.

Well, money's not everything. Yes, it is. Yeah, you know, just yesterday I saw like some, there was some Bell Media television launch thing. And they put up some, I think Bill Brio, who's been on the show, he covers TV and he took a photo like the 50 most watched television shows in Canada last year or something. And like 40 or something, an amazing number of them are episodes of The Big Bang Theory. Like this show is very, very popular.

I don't understand it. I've never seen it. It's absolutely knuckleheaded. But people love it. I don't know. But what's great is like CTV or Bell are going like, look at this amazing lineup. 50 episodes of Big Bang Theory. How about the other Canadian shows

that you don't ever put on? Like, I don't know. It's just being in the Canadian industry. No, tell me. I always wonder like, because CTV is a big Canadian network, but if they- Only in name.

Name only. You're right. If they can just buy an American show... That's the only reason they exist. They don't really make anything. You know, they'll go... Don't they have to make something? We're making the Beaverton.

We're making the Corner Gas animated series. That's it. Like, can you tell me another one? Well, they technically... Well, they put it on Crave TV, but Letter Kenny is, but you're right, there are a few in front of me. Your point's very valid. Well, you know, there's people just, you know, these guys,

like I was at the Upfronts. Okay, that's what they're called. That was the word I was looking for. I was at the Upfronts a few years ago, and they were like, the head of CTV was up on stage, and it's a big production, and it says, oh, everybody wanted it, but we got it.

We got it. Agents of shield. And I'm like, what? Who cares? Like really like to make that a point of pride that you paid more for agents of shield than anyone else was willing to. Global or whatever.

And it's just so weird. Like, you know, CBC actually makes shows. That's kind of their mandate. But then you have people like Doug Ford going, I want to destroy the CBC. Where are you going to get any Canadian content?

I'm looking at Maestro's face right now. He's on Mr. D, Jonathan Torrens, who's been on this show. These kind of programs. Well, you know, you look at, at least they're making shows, whether you like it or not. And it's Kim's Convenience and Mr. D and Murdoch Mysteries and, you know. Canadian shows with Canadian actors and Canadian writers. Canadian people. It's kind of important.

I kind of think so. But, you know, there's no place for me on that network anymore because I'm an old white man. But still, I wish them well. It's true, right? Like, when I thought, when Peter Mansfield stepped down, I thought they were going to just do a regular thing, like put one person in the job, like we've always done.

And I said, for sure, Ian Hanomansing, I think he deserves it. He's been around a long time. He's very good at what he does. I felt like he was being groomed for the position anyways. And then they went and did four, and I couldn't help but notice, just because I have eyeballs, that all four people, there's not a white guy in the mix. Well, there's two things to that. One, fine, because

people have not been represented very well in the past, and it's always been a white man. And the pendulum has to swing. And two, they don't want any one person to be powerful. They don't want to deal with a Peter Mansbridge again. They want to just be able to go, oh, I can take any one of you people and lose you.

That's a great point. And nobody wants to deal with stars in Canada. Nobody wants to have to deal with that and have someone do what, oh, I'm trying to think of his name. Who's the co-host of Don Cherry's Minute? Ron McLean. Ron McLean.

What he did to the CBC was holding out Cherry's Minute. Ron McLean. Ron McLean. What he did to the CBC was like holding out for money. They do not want that. They do not want to deal with that. They won't pay you. They'd rather never pay you. And I've even noticed lots of shows are lopping off their star kind of person, like cutting them out. Absolutely.

For example, and I don't have the inside detail. I have a little bit, but I can't put it on the record. But Kevin Frankish at Breakfast Television was there forever, and I don't have the inside detail. I have a little bit, but I can't put it on the record. But Kevin Frankish at Breakfast Television was there forever, and they didn't renew his contract. He's no longer on the air, but he was the big face and the star of that show. I don't know what happened at CP24, but Steve Anthony, he's gone.

He says he left on his own, but these are big names and big stars. Well, you know, Steve might have left because he was just tired of doing that every day. Yeah, right, right. But, you know, it's just no one... It's funny because you see the way... Like, for example, when you're listening to, say,

I listen to sports radio on, say, TSN radio. Right. And it used to be a morning show till 9, from 6 to 9. Then there'd be another show from 9 to 12. Local Canadian hosts like Matt Coaws and Gareth Wheeler and then it was Gareth Wheeler and him and then it was like at least lunch and then

you know whatever in the afternoon all Canadian content but now there's one hour of Dan Patrick in the morning and you're like just so you can save like 48 cents. Like there's some bean counter who works for Bell Mobility going,

hmm, if we just shifted these shows around, made those guys do four hours instead of three, and then we just put an hour of that, we could save $40 and they will do it. They will absolutely cut you. Let me ask, you're going to have a unique perspective on this. And this happened to me yesterday. So this is a show where I reach out to the talent,

and I say, would you like to come on? And they either ignore me, or they say no thank you, or they say yes, and then we schedule a time. That's how you got here. That's right. So I reached out to an anchor on CP24 I wanted to have a conversation with, and I apologize for not remembering how to say his last name,

but his first name is Gurdip. Oh, yes. So I reached out to Gurdip, and I said, Gurdip, hey, I have this show, blah, blah, blah, blah, would you like to come on? And Gurdip says, I'd love to come on, but can you please write a note to PR, like Bell Media PR, and get their permission?

So this is an unusual request. I don't get it very often but I'm like, okay. So I sent a very nice note to this person I was told to send this note to and they got back to me just yesterday to say,

yeah, Gurdip is not available for me. So that's how it was worded. He's not available to me is what I was told. So I'm a little bit pissed only because you're episode 349, it's not like you can point to anyone in 349 episodes that had a bad experience. Like nobody's been.

It's not about that. It's just about control of their assets. And then that's it. So I went, I'm like, well, that's kind of weird. Like why? And then I tweeted something about it. And then it occurred to me, you know, it occurred to me, because I said, you know, people are like, I never heard of Gurdeep.

And then I replied something like, well, because I said, you know, people are like, I never heard of Gurdeep, and then I replied something like, well, being on my show can only raise his profile, and then like a light went off in my head. Maybe they don't want his profile raised.

Well, there's that, and I believe that, say, what is Bell Media now, and what is Rogers, and all the networks? They're all cell phone

content companies now, or internet content companies now. They're and all the networks. They're all cell phone content companies now or internet content companies now. They're no longer really networks. So they see anybody who is making content as someone who is competing with them. I really believe that. Even the guy in his basement with the independent... Yes, I believe they do.

Stephen LeDrew, who worked for Bell Media, was told, because he was here two weeks ago speaking at the Bowties, and he told me that he was fired. They told him he was suspended because he went on a competing show because he appeared on Fox News in the U.S. Oh, I know.

And that could only help you at home, like having Stephen LeDrew be on Fox and then come home and go, well, look, he was on Fox. Maybe I'll watch and see what he's doing. It doesn't make any sense. Bell people can only be on other Bell properties. It's stupid. We did

Match Game for two years, and the only people they would bring in were people who were on shows that they were on their network. That's okay, but I just think it just makes the world, again, I think it's, I'm getting scrambled here. No, go ahead.

The thing is, it makes the industry stronger to cross-germinate between low sources. But nowadays, it's all about proprietary. Who owns this guy, and you can't see him and you know i look back to it was a different time certainly but johnny carson would have on anybody right and you would plug your show on another network is all you'd say and you know that just because he was strong enough to know that my show is solid i don't need to worry about someone stealing, taking advantage of me.

I'm a big show, and I'm bigger than that. You're so right. Anyway. I just realized, to loop us back there, I mentioned Big Bang Theory because I bet you Tyler makes a pretty penny

every time that show hits. They make a pretty good deal. It's a pretty good deal, the opening sequence there. It's pretty good. Right, which in that song I have make a pretty good deal. It's a pretty good deal, the opening sequence there. It's pretty good. Right, which in that song I have heard. I saw the Barenaked Ladies at the Massey Hall, I don't know when that was, December or November or something.

Right, December, I think. And they play that song live. It's pretty incredible. They're incredibly adept musicians, and I love their intricate stuff that's really fast and just impossible to follow. It's great. Here's a question I've had for you since 1994.

So at the same time I'm watching Remember on Much and I'm loving Remember, there's another song Much is playing around the same time by Radio Free Vestibule. Vestibule. Did I say that wrong? Radio Free Vestibule. They're from Montreal.

Right. And their big video was the grunge song. I don't remember that. So it would be like, this is the part of the song that is really boring. And this is... This is the part of the song.

Get really hard or whatever. And then so they kind of make fun of the grunge, the Nirvana. Yes. And I wondered if you guys were ever credited by fans or anyone you met who said, hey, I love the grunge song you guys did. Because in my mind, the wires were getting crossed

that Remember was Corky and the Juice Pigs and the grunge song was Radio Free Vestibule. No, I don't think so. Am I the only one, I guess, is what I'm wondering. I've never really experienced that. But we also, we often have people saying, oh my God, that song Only Gay Eskimo that you do. No, the song Only Gay Eskimo is such an amazing Tenacious D song. Oh, okay.

Tenacious D gets credited for a lot of our songs. For the Eskimos. Yeah, for sure. And that was, I mean, Brian mentioned Mad TV. So that's pretty much, is that the biggest American success that you can point to? Well, we were called, I think we did five episodes. And a friend of ours who worked writing for the Kids in the Hall and was an actor on the Kids in the Hall series in Toronto, named Brian Hart, who went on to produce tons of great shows.

He became head writer of that show and executive producer, and he brought us down to do songs. It wasn't very popular with the rest of the cast of MADtv because they thought we could do that while you're getting someone to come in and do it. But he did it as a favor to us, and it was great, and we did, I think, five, six episodes. And that was a pretty big deal.

It was just nice to be in Hollywood, and after that I got deals in Hollywood doing, you know, developing sitcoms and stuff like that, myself, solo stuff. But that was kind of the last big thing we did as a group. So then you, what is it, just you went on, you wanted to go do other things? Is that why Corky and the Goose Pinks?

Well, it's just you get tired of working with the same people and having the same issues and stuff like that. It's hard to keep a group together, especially a trio, when it's always like two against one and then switch, then you two against one, and then, you know,

it just gets tiring after a while. Now, you're sharp. I'm going to compliment you for a minute, but you're sharp and funny and irreverent almost, and I find that maybe you'd be a difficult person, I think, for these U.S. networks

to build a show around because I don't know how to help that eloquent. I'm struggling. It really was difficult. You know, you'd say they'd always say, we need you to be the you'd either have people saying you are a deposed king from Eastern Europe and you're, you know, you have to live in a witness protection program in downtown Milwaukee. You know, that would be the thing or it would

be, you're just, you look just like Kevin James, so you should be just like Kevin James. I was like, well, I'm actually funny. So I don't really want to. You're not Kevin James. No, but I mean, I'm just being serious. But he's a good example where you're right. You know, you both doing stand-up,

it's no contest, you know. We're different, and we're also very different. But, you know, I did develop two different scripts. I did one with Alan Zwebel, who's a writer for Saturday Night Live for many years, and that was really fun, and that didn't go. It was just too weird for people. and then there was another one i did where i was a priest and i'm brought from a monastery to because i've just stayed around the monastery and they all just think you know you've got to move on

so i go and live in a central like an inner city in in uh united states and kind of got to turn around this terrible parish. And we did that. And, you know, Les Moonves, we read it. That was an amazing experience because we read the script. And it was with John Cryer, read with me. This was before Two Men and whatever, Two and a Half Men. The other Chuck Lorre show. Yeah.

And then we did, who else was on? Tony Shalhoub read with me. He said it's a great cast. It was fantastic. And we read it and they said, I don't think people really want to hear about priests. And I said, okay. So we got the second deal and that one was more weird,

but they were involved in monkeys stealing, the pilot involved a monkey stealing a wedding ring. And Les moonves is frightened of monkeys so he said no to that one as well he said you know what uh we love this guy let's give him another deal and i said oh i just feel like like he says this guy's the next kevin james and i'm like looking back now i probably should have said, okay, I'll do whatever. Kevin James, whatever. I'm the fat guy who has a hot wife. And, you know, all good. That was very popular at the time. Well, it's still popular. Obviously, Kevin Can Wait is the same show.

Oh, right. That's right. Anyway, so what had happened to me was I had done a benefit for the Phil Hartman Society Phil Hartman scholarship fund and Lorne Michaels had seen me and I went to the he came and said would you like to come down and perform for our writers at a showcase in New York and I said okay and I did And then they said, would you like to be on Saturday Night Live next year? And I said, yes, I would, but I'm under contract to CBS. And he said, well, get out of it and come and join us. And I said, oh God, I don't think I can. I

mean, I'd have to pay them back hundreds of thousands of money. And so I couldn't do it. So I missed out on that opportunity and I felt, oh, I'm not going to get into another deal. And have to pay them back hundreds of thousands of money right and so i couldn't do it so i missed out on that opportunity and i felt i'm not going to get into another deal on the network and in the end i probably should just hug around taking money and bin that but i didn't realize how uh close you came to joining saturday night and failed i'm a failure, utterly. Not really, but well, yeah, maybe. No, don't say that. Somebody just told me that Norm Macdonald was the last Canadian

that was a regular cast member of Statue Night Live. And that's a long time ago. It was a long time ago. And he was a strange case because he didn't really do any sketches. He just did the update mainly. Yeah, he did very few sketches. You're right.

Oh, you know, he did Alex Trebek. That's right. Oh, yeah. That's right. Not Alex Trebek. He did... Who's the guy married to Lonnie Anderson? Oh, Burt Reynolds. Burt Reynolds. Yeah. He did Burt Reynolds on those Jeopardy skits. But yeah, mainly weekend update. And who was it?

Somebody was his friend in Ottawa. Oh, yeah. Jim Slotek, who wrote for the... That's right. He was friends with Norm from Ottawa back before Norm was famous. He told me that. Norm was great. Yeah, he was starting

kind of just a little ahead of us when we came into Yuck Yucks. And yeah, he was great. My favorite one of his is that dating game. It's a cheap game show. The prize is another contestant.

And they always have this weird, creepy guy who's going to ask their sexually loaded innuendo questions like, Hey! Hey! Then they get the woman to ask him some questions and you know it's about to go bronc. Hi, Bachelor No. 2.

If I was a popsicle what would you do with me and i'd uh grab take off your wrapper you know what i mean and i'd grab your sticks if you know what i mean and then i'd uh push against the counter till you're broken too if you know what i mean i'd put happy in the fridge for later you know what i mean it was very good but i mean he does it of course way better than I do but that might be the closest I get to getting Norm on the show but I can't believe how close

and you're right seriously is this the moment is there a moment when you realize like screw American success because I have a lot of people on the show where they all go and try to make it in the States because Ron James for example people like because Ron James, for example,

people like that, Ron James went to LA, wanted to make it in the States because that's where all the money is. And at some point he came home and realized he would have a happy life. Well, sometimes you don't get the opportunities you want there and then you have to come home and work. It's great if you're down there.

I loved living in Los Angeles and it was great and I still love it there. But if you're not working, it's great if you're down there i loved living in los angeles and it was great and i still love it there but you know if you're not working it's really expensive and uh kind of sad and time goes by like you sit there for 10 years and you think oh my god it seems like no time has gone by at all and my life is flying by but what happened with me was i didn't take that deal and then i thought i need some money so i said that i was offered the producers here in toronto and i took that and then my marriage split up and then i was kind of like oh that's too bad but right uh then i met someone else a year a couple years later and ended up

staying here to be married and And we had some kids and then she split up with me. So that happened. So I kind of am pinned here at the moment. But, you know, that's the way life goes. Those children are like anchors. Children are like loadstones. They're like, not loadstones, millstones around your legs. No, not that I... I'm joking. No, but I share custody of my first two kids

and I always say move to Moncton or whatever it's real cheap I don't want to be 15 minutes away from those two kids you know what I mean you don't want to be gone I don't want to move to Oakville

forget Moncton Moncton is fun in the winter it's horrifying I've never been there in the winter but I've been there in the summer I don't want to move to Oakville. Like, forget Moncton. Moncton. Jeez. Moncton is fun. Moncton is where I... In the winter, it's horrifying. Is it? I've never been in the winter, but I've been there in the summer. You walk on the ocean floor. That's where you go to the Bay of Fundy.

It's way, way, way, way, way out. Yeah. It's the lowest or highest tide or however you word that. But yeah, Moncton. They said there's a good value to have in real estate in Moncton, but I'm not leaving Toronto because my two oldest beautiful children are here, and I'm not leaving there right now. What about your two youngest? They're here too.

Okay. But those I could take with me. Oh, for sure. That's the difference. Now, okay, so just to catch us up. So Corky and the Juice Pigs disbands, sadly disbands. About 98. 98, okay.

And you do a bunch of stuff. I mean, you're everywhere, and I told you that when you first got here. But you're all over the place. I'm going to just drop some names. You appeared on... Tell me, did you appear on Royal Canadian Air Farce on CBC? I did a few times, yeah. And then CTV had a show called The Associates. I did an episode

of that. And you had a show called Leocrossy? I can't speak to it. Lyocracy. Oh my God, I butchered that god it was a series it was all like a fake documentary okay i remember this biographies this made a modeled after biography channel yeah but it was too hard to say so it got canceled they said no one can say this word uh here's some interesting you appeared on some american sitcoms uh the ellen show i was i did two episodes of this ellen Ellen's second iteration of a sitcom

with Martin Mull and Cloris Leachman, it was really fun Do you know Cloris is still with us? She's fantastic, she's hilarious I was told I was trying to lose weight so I was at the craft table where you get food and I was putting a sandwich in my mouth, she slapped it out of my hand

She was funny, She was great. I first saw her in Facts of Life. This is my introduction to Clarice Leachman. I remember her as Phyllis, the friend of Rhoda who got her own series. That tells me you're a little older than me. Phyllis, Phyllis

who charms the crabs and fishermen's wharf right out of their shells Phyllis, it sure isn't you Pain is a U.S. I don't remember Pain Pain was an adaptation, the American version of Fawlty Towers With Dan Larroquette From Night Court, Dan Larroquette

Dan Larroquette and Jo Beth Williams. And I played a weird transvestite governess who comes to deal with the kids in the hotel. Anyway, strange. And here's some interesting late night appearances. So the... Oh, I forgot about the Late Late Show with Craig Kilbourne. I did that a couple of times.

And the show, I don't remember off the top of my head, Late Friday? Late Friday was a show, I don't remember off the top of my head, Late Friday? Late Friday. It was a show, I think on NBC. And it was kind of like a late comedy showcase. It was really fun.

It was shot at a place called the Knitting Factory in Hollywood. And here's the big one I want to ask you about is you appeared on the Tonight Show of Jay Leno. I did.

I think we did five appearances. That's impressive. Yeah, well, the first one was fun because we were in Montreal and Fred Willard was a correspondent during the Just for Laughs festival for the Tonight Show. And he got together a few comics

who all went around to people's houses and he just knocked on random doors and said, you haven't been to the comedy festival? Here it is. And we'd have to go into the living room unannounced and perform. So out of that, they said, well, you do the songs. Maybe we should get you to come and do songs with people on the street for different occasions.

And that's what happened. And then we'd tee it off live on the show. And then they'd show the video. Oh, that's some cool, big exposure. Big exposure. It was really fun. Lots of fun. And, of course, you're still, I mean, that's some cool, big exposure? Big exposure. It was really fun. Lots of fun. And of course, you're still, I mean,

you're a voice actor, right? I should have billed you off the top, not just the funny guy. I do a lot of different works. Well, it's a lot of animation stuff. Right. I'm doing, well, we did Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs. I played, James Caan did the character in the movies,

but it's his father, Flint's father. Very, very understated man. Anyway, and the mayor in that show and a couple of other weird characters and a show called Rocket Monkeys that was very fun to do. And, oh, just tons of stuff. But right now I'm working on a... Ricky Gervais' company, Braun Entertainment,

is doing a movie for Netflix called The Willoughbys, based on a book. And I'm playing the two twin brothers. They don't really... They mumble a lot and do all this weird stuff. Well, you met Ricky? I did open for Ricky at the Massey Hall last... When was it?

Last... It was in the wintertime, I guess in February. Excellent. So that was really fun and he was great. No, it was in the summertime. It was last summer.

Last summer. Yeah, yeah. I know what you did last summer, Sean Cullen. There you go. And it wasn't good. Now the CBC had a show and it's a great show

because it's got your name in it, the Sean Cullen Show. Yeah, that was my favorite thing to do. I wrote it and was a producer on it, and we did six episodes, but it was just too weird for the CBC, and they just went, no thank you, after we did six episodes.

It was very strange, and at the time it was, I think, it was just a lot a lot of ways. It was the first time I'd ever done that, and I think I would have, I learned a lot from it, and if I'd had a second run, I think we would have fixed it a lot of ways it was the first time i'd ever done that and i think i would have i learned a lot from it and if i'd had a second run i think we would have fixed it a lot but it was just uh so strange and meta kind of a meta show kind of like peewee's playhouse a little which i loved not so over the top right but people were just puzzled by it and in canada because they want

big bang theory well they want Big Bang Theory. Well, they want Big Bang Theory. Canada really likes its comedy straightforward. People always ask me, why are Canadians so funny? And I say, well, they're not. They're not really that funny. They don't have the great sense of humor, per se.

There are great comedians from Canada, but a lot of our comedy that gets on the television is very straightforward, either based on the news, like, look at this guy in the news. I've got a wig on, and I'm pretending to be that guy. Or the sitcoms are pretty straightforward. They're not like reinventing the wheel. It's not like they embrace a lot of alternative comedy.

There's tons of alternative comedians in Canada because we have that alternative view of, say, the larger culture of America. But they can't make a living in Canada. A show that's not straightforward that I watch on Crave TV. It's an American show, but I think it's hilarious. Mr.

Show. Yeah, it's a brilliant show. Mr. Show, that's David Cross and Bob Odenkirk. And brilliant. I mean, they're great actors and that's where Cross and... Bob Odenkirk. Bob Odenkirk. And brilliant. I mean, they're great actors, and that's where they came out of. They're very, very good actors, as well as being comedians.

So, yeah. I mean, but that show would never be made in Canada. No, and I think, because as you're describing this straightforward, I'm like, oh, that explains why Mr. Show's American. Because I think it's great, but... It's a function of population. We have 35 million people here. Right.

Every show has to be an absolute hit. So if they make a show, it's got to be a hit so everyone's got to like it. So that's the only way you make money. Like you can't make money

with getting 40,000 people viewing your show because it's an alternative show. But in America, that means 40 million people are viewing your show. And that... Well show. But in America, that means 40 million people are viewing your show. And that, well, that's... 400,000.

400,000 are doing your show and seeing your show and loving it. And that's enough to make a living on. Great point. Now, now that I hear, and you're in the business, you tell me, but Netflix has to spend money on Canadian content. I think that's a good idea.

But why can't we get... You own the Sean Cullen show, I'm sure. Maybe you get a second swing at this through some bit of a streaming service. I'd love to try. The show is actually, I think, owned by the CBC. I don't know what the statute of limitations is or the ownership on it is right now. It's been 15 years.

Yeah, it's been 15 years, but i'd love to do it again and maybe that's the plan you know maybe that's something to do like then netflix like there's they have to spend money on canadian content which is fair i kind of am like canadian content laws i i kind of as i get older i kind of go why don't we just get rid of them all and wipe the slate clean of mediocrity and have people have to actually succeed instead of just being handed things. Should we do that with the music too?

Because we still have the CanCon standards. We do have CanCon. And I don't know if it helps. It helps certain people, people who know how to manipulate the system and game the system and get grants and get, you know, loans for making videos. And they're always like, bands that you go with that,

that's like, you're really doing well. Why do you need to game the system to get a grant to produce your album? Like, I don't, can't you sink or swim on your own? Like, I guess. Yeah. I don't know. It's an interesting argument for sure well it's not very canadian but uh i kind of get tired of you know i go well what why is that on like it's so middle of the road and you know the thing about canada this is just me maybe i'm crazy but you go you see the same say production

companies making shows and if the show stinks and gets canceled they just make another show because it's not about them losing their own money it's about them losing the money that was given to them by the ctf uh or the the the funds that they pull from. And then they go and make another one. But all the people who are on that show are tanked, like they're done. They won't get another chance. They're burnt. And in America, you, and it's one of the only places in the world that it's like this, because they are the generator of culture and entertainment for the world, basically.

Somebody makes a terrible movie or a terrible show, it tanks, they lose their shirt, and they get out of the business. That doesn't happen here. No one fails that badly here. And so it kind of lets you kind of float along side laterally and not really be exquisite. And sometimes I think that's a shame. It is a shame. That is a shame. You already alluded to the producers. So can you tell me a little bit? That sounds amazing. This was for Mirvish Productions.

Yeah, it was Mirvish Productions. It was kind of a role that I really wanted to play. And as soon as I heard it was being done, and they were doing a separate show in Toronto, and it was one of the first shows I really wanted to play and as soon as I heard it was being done and they were doing a separate show in Toronto and it was one of the first shows that were going to be coming out after SARS like that was the big kind of the crank the the industry back up because everyone used to come from the northern United States to Toronto as a theater destination and there were hotels were full and you know bus trips were full and tickets were sold and everything. And then SARS happened.

And I kind of always really was so upsetting just watching, say, the news show the one person at the airport with a mask on their face and saying, SARS is killing. Oh, my God, SARS. And you're like, that's not what's happening on the streets there's no it's not like a plague it's just there's a few people who are sick and they all had pre-existing conditions every single person who died from sars had a pre-existing condition not that i'm underrating the severity or the the horror of the people who it happened to. But the thing is, the media made that into a thing, and it tanked the industry in the city. So it was good to be part of it, to get it started again.

But in typical fashion in Toronto, all these critics kind of didn't give the show a huge great review, although it was one of the most amazing productions I've ever seen. I can't imagine anything being anywhere like this in Canada ever. I had once a CBC, I was listening to the radio, and their critic was like, yeah, I haven't seen the show in New York, but I imagine it's better. And I'm like, well, how can you?

That's so typically Canadian, though. How can you? Why don't you? Here's what I say, and this is, if we had come out and pooped on the stage and it was the worst, we're trying to get the industry going again. Come out and tell everybody it's the best thing you've ever seen. You wouldn't be lying, either. You know, it was crazy.

You earned a Dora... A nomination. Mayor award. But of course, I didn't. Dora Mayer Moore. I didn't win because my co-star won, which was nice. Which is good. Yeah, he's great.

Michael Terrio. He was brilliant. He played Leo. He was absolutely perfect. And he's done so much more since. And he was Gollum in the Lord of the Rings here in Toronto. That's crazy, weird production, but he was the absolute highlight of it, and he's a brilliant, brilliant actor.

Very cool. I got to do Peter Pan with him in Stratford. He was Peter Pan, and I was Mr. Smee, the friend of Captain Hook. Simply Sean. Yes. CBC Radio 1. Yeah. Tell me a little bit about that.

I'm a big CBC Radio 1 listener, and this was a music show. Well, it was a replacement show because it was a show called Go on Saturday mornings at 10 o'clock, and they needed something, a replacement for the summer so they could go on holiday.

Was it Brent Bambury? Yeah, Brent Bambury. We did 10 episodes, and it was me playing music and then just randomly meandering thoughts. And just, it was really fun. Which you are great at. Yeah, but I mean, they kept trying to tell me. I did it for like four years.

And every year they'd say, do you want to meet with someone who could write this for you? And I said, no, that's not really what I do. I said, we need it to meet with someone who could write this for you? And I said, no, that's not really what I do. I said, would you want to just, we need it to be more contained. And, and all I got from, I, I'm sure some people hated it. That's fair. Everybody doesn't love it. Everybody hates something. Yeah. But, uh, I had so many fans who loved the show and really just loved the style of it the way they'd sit in their cottage. And that was what everybody would be telling me.

We're driving up to our cottage, We're sitting in our cottage, listening to the show in the morning and loving it. And they kept trying to say, well, you should really make it more conformant somehow. And then they finally just said, I said, well, do you think we could ever move this to a regular slot?

And they said, no. I don't think this is really CBC material. And I said, okay. Too constricting for you. That was back to my previous point, though. The word, I wanted to use the word zany, but that sounds ridiculous. I don't know what you call it. Eclectic?

Yes, eclectic, irreverent. You don't fit in the box. I don't really. You're not Kevin James. I'm not Kevin James. Sean is like this, and I don't know. That's been one of my biggest problems, I think, having been categorized.

I do a lot of things. I sing, and I write books. Voice acting. I do voice work. I act. I do comedy, and it's hard to kind of synthesize all that into one thing. I think sometimes I've been born after my time because

you know jackie gleason was a band leader a comedian an actor dancer you know all of those guys frank sinatra bing crosby right they all had to do all of those things and they all could do all of those things because that's the way they came up and that's uh that's I guess would be nice to be a part of that world but now if you have nice teeth you can be

that's enough is that enough perfect yeah I don't know that's all it takes now I want to I'm a podcaster I don't know if you heard that

and I can't wait to talk to you about your podcast but first I just got to address this last comic standing so you this is about 10 years ago I guess you were a finalist

so tell me about that experience this is uh kind of exciting and tell me how you did i think people call it the worst season but uh there were a lot of bad comics on it but uh some they were really inexperienced it's the sixth season i think well yeah the the thing is they had a mandate to do it like an international, right? And they wanted comics from Britain. They wanted comics from, like, different ethnicities. And they wanted, you know, of course, the American ones who were going to win in the end, eventually. And so I had an audition for it the year before, and they'd been rejected.

And I thought, I'm not going to do that again. But then they called and they called and i said please come because we'd love you to audition again so i did and managed to get in and then they cut it down from 50 to 12 and i made it in again and then uh then we kind of went on did all these bizarre challenges and I never had to perform, which was weird. And Eliza Schlesinger ended up winning. I came in sixth. I was cut from the last,

I didn't make it to the final five. Okay, sixth. Sixth, but it was fun, you know, but it's also very annoying because we were actual performers.

The difference between most reality shows is they're not performers. They're just Joes off the street. And I'm used to being treated a certain way, not being rousted out of bed and forced to perform and do all these weird things. We had to sleep in Ikea children's bunk beds on my back.

I couldn't stand up after a couple of days and things like that and you know we had to wash cars and try and be funny while we were washing people's cars it was a strange time and I think trying to choose the funniest person yeah is an idiotic thing to do usually you'll find there you'll pick the person who is least funny what you'll find that middle-of-the-road kind of pedestrian humor. Yes, absolutely. I see that for sure. Eliza's a very good comic, though,

and she's fun and she's been quite successful. I like her a lot. But that year, I think they were like, it's going to be a woman this year. And you could kind of see them tailoring it to that. And it was, I mean, fair enough. It should have been a woman long before that. But anyway.

Match Game. So Match Game, Canadian version of Match Game was on the Comedy Network. And you did that? You alluded to it earlier. Yeah, we did two seasons of Match Game and then it was canceled because they'd had enough to keep running

the Canadian content. The guy from Cash Cab is, he's coming back. So Adam Groh, his name is. He does stand-up stuff too, I think. He has similar stuff. Once they have enough, like people don't realize, they have a number

of episodes and they just keep re-running it and they don't need you anymore. Well, what was great about it, the one thing I loved about the match game was it was a place for comics to come on and be funny. And there's nowhere in the country to do that on television. Nowhere. I'm thinking now in my head, that must be true.

You can look at Just for Laughs. There's a few comedy festivals that do galas, but there's no regular place for comics to come on and work their craft at all. How could that be? Because we don't have a late night show either, so there's nowhere to go. I'm playing at the Yuck Yucks in Hoobie Town.

Come down to Saskatoon and see me at this Momo's Laugh House. Whatever. Oh, speaking of... I mean, Ralph Ben-Murgy's come up already, but they tried the Friday night with Ralph Ben-Murgy. Yeah, but I don't know if Ralph was the right guy to host that kind of show. I like Ralph, but and the show was, again,

trying to please too many people. They'd have Rita McNeil and then Stained. You know? You can't appeal to everyone. You got to have an identity and let people come to it. That's my belief. Very true. And there was another guy who had a talk show.

We won't talk about him right now. But let's see here. Let's talk briefly about the debaters. Then I want to talk about your podcast. But I do enjoy that. Steve Patterson, right? Yeah. Is the host of The Debaters on CBC.

So I guess you're a frequent contestant, whatever you call it. I am a frequent debater. I'm a frequent member of that squad. It's fun. I really enjoy... What's fun is writing comedy about a specific situation that you probably won't ever be able to use again. So it's really fun to do that.

And usually they try and come up with good topics and pick the people who will be most fun to represent them. So I end up running into Dave Hempstead all the time, and he beats me every time. But we've done pie versus cake, which is a favorite one. Pie versus cake, peanut butter versus jam. And there's a couple of others that we've done, and I always lose. It's just the way it goes.

But that would be a good, I would think that's a good format for you. I do like the debaters too. It's a fun listen, especially on a drive or something. For sure. It's a fun listen for sure. It's been on a long time too.

It has. And it gets harder and harder to find debate topics. All right, my friend. Let's talk podcasting for a minute here. Do you have a podcast that you currently update? Like there's an active Sean Cullen podcast. Yes. Well, for some reason, we had a little problem where a glitch where my podcast weren't uploading for a couple of years. And I was like, is that true? Yeah. And I was just like, why didn't I pay more attention to this? Anyway, but we have a podcast and I have a bunch of backdated ones that we're releasing,

but I have a podcast called The Sean Pod. We record it live. Yeah, we record it live, and we also record it and do a studio version every weekly, and then we do every five or six weeks or so we do a live version, and we do it in front of a live audience and have

guests and that sort of thing, but it's kind of like just an excuse for me to meander and improvise. But this is actually the format for you because as CBC tells you, you need to be more constrained or conform or whatever they want to put you into the box or whatever. The podcast, there's no box. I think it's why it's so popular with comedians because there's no editors and there's no, you know, what do they call them? Quality control and there's no, you know, standards and practices.

There's no one saying you can't say that. And there's no hard stop for like an ad break. All that kind of like you kind of mold that flow. It's a beautiful flow. And I really love to improvise and speak, you know, just extemporize, and it's really perfect for me. So how long have you been doing the SeanPod?

The SeanPod, probably in different forms, probably about seven or eight years. I started doing a show called The Sean Show, which we recorded and then would upload, and then it was live, but it was very unwieldy because it was i had really good an audience in and get guests and all that

and we decided to cut it down and make it more um you know portable i guess you would call it and we started doing that at the comedy bar in the uh what do they call that room? It's a smaller room in the comedy bar. But it's quite good, and it's fun to do. I just love to interact with the crowd. It's more like a conversation than most shows are. I'm fascinated by the two years you forgot to upload. I know, it's crazy. So who touched the button?

I don't know. You don't have to name them. My management, my agency, who seem to have a problem. No quality control at all, apparently. I manage my agency. We seem to have a problem. No quality control at all, apparently. That was my problem. I was going through tough times. I'm just paying attention. I hear that.

But I'm glad. So if you were going to direct somebody to, I guess you just want them to search their pod catcher for the term SeanPod. S-E-A-N-P-O-D, and they will find it. They will find it, and they will live it and love it. Now, we're going to kick out a jam. So sometimes guests, well, guests like to come back,

and we kick out 10 jams. Like, we'll literally play their 10 favorite songs of all time and talk about it, and that's great fun. And one day you should come back and do that, but we're going to tease that by kicking out one jam. But first, you talked about your many talents. You also write books. Is there anything you don't do, Sean Cullen?

Well, I don't know. I'm trying to. I've just finished writing a couple of screenplays that I'm trying to find a home for. So that's exciting. Two comedies. So we'll see. I just want to keep doing new things. That's my dream. Hopefully keep engaged in the world.

When did you release your last book? My last book was probably about, geez, 2007? Oh, that's a long time ago. Yeah, well, it's been a while. And the publishing industry has changed quite a bit. All the people I knew at Penguin is now, it's Penguin Random House, I believe. And people keep merging and moving around and you never know who's who and what's what.

But I've written a new novel for my daughter. All of my books are for my kids. They're YA books, young adult and middle readers. So the first books were about my son, who's now 17. He's Hamish X. And Hamish X and the Cheese Pirates was the first one. Then the second one was Hamish X and the Hollow Mountain. And the third one was Hamish X Goes to Providence, Rhode Island.

And then the second series was for my son, Brendan, and that was The Prince of Neither Here Nor There and The Prince of Two Tribes. And those are both books set in Toronto about fairies living amongst us without us knowing. And Cleo's coming out. I have a daughter, Cleopatra, and I've written her, finished a book for her.

It's a nice name, but you don't hear it. It's a lovely name. We call her Cleo, but Cleopatra is great. Her image should be rehabilitated. That's right, that's right. Now, Stephen Brunt was on recently, and he writes lots of books, and he said to me, he looked me in the eyes, and he said,

the only way you make money in this country is if you write a hockey book that's out in time for Christmas. Yes. He said, that is it. And I'm sure the exceptions would be the 1% or whatever. I don't know. Maybe Atwood was able to sell a few books or whatever. Well, she's internationally renowned. That's a whole different story, right?

But yeah, so whenever I have people and they write books, I think it's great, of course, but I can't imagine you see a lot of green at the end of the year. You don't do it for that.

No, you don't, but I mean, there's nothing more satisfying than seeing your book finished and, you know, reaching the end

and then seeing it on a bookshelf in a store. It's quite the most satisfying thing Oh, I can imagine. I can imagine.

I should write a book. Yeah, you should. maybe I'll self publish let's kick out a jam here and now the end is near and so I face the final curtain My friend, I'll say it clear

I'll state my case, of which I'm certain I've lived a life that's full. I traveled each and every highway and more. Much more than this, I did it my way. my way Regrets I've had a few But then again I love this song.

Too few to mention His voice is so beautiful at this point in his career. Very expressive. And this song was originally written for Elvis and Elvis didn't think it would was originally written for Elvis. And Elvis didn't think it would be a hit for him.

Or didn't like it. Because Paul Anka wrote this. Paul Anka wrote it. For Elvis? Yeah. Wow. He offered it to Elvis first. And then Frank Sinatra heard it and wanted it. And it's just, you know, it sums up manliness.

Or being a man and doing what you believe in. And maybe that's a little hokey and old-fashioned. Then his voice just soars through this. I'm sure you knew when I bit off more than I could chew. But through it all, when there was doubt, I ate it up And I stood tall And did it my way Love it. It swells. That's the word I want to use.

It swells. And then it goes back. The dynamics in this song are incredible. And it's just, you know, you'd like to think you lived your life this way somehow, you know. And I, you know, when you're in show business or whatever you're doing, you find you miss out and you fail or your timing is bad and whatever has happened

and this just kind of sums it all up, just, you know. I've done my share of losing. I bit off more than I could chew. I've been a fool. I've been a king. I've been a triumph. But at least I did what I wanted to do. Oh, no, not me.

I did it my way. For what is a man? what is a man what is a man what has he got what has he got if not himself then he has not to be

and say the things he really feels and not the words of one who kneels. The record shows I took the blows and

did it my way. It's tremendous. It's epic. It is. It's just a lozenge of excitement. And this, just in this little bit. Yes, it was my way. The voice of the century, Frank Sinatra.

Well, I century, anyway. The chairman of the board. He is amazing. You're amazing. Well, thanks. No, this was a great thrill. I hope you had fun. I did, and I want a picture with you after because I've got to show my four-year-old that shirt.

I'm going to tell him I met Cap. Thanks, Cap. It's going to be fun. Thanks for having me on the show. Thank you, Sean, and that brings us to the end of our 349th show. You can follow me on Twitter. I'm at Toronto Mike.

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See you all next week. Thank you.