Toronto Mike'd: The Official Toronto Mike Podcast - Sell-Out Songs: Toronto Mike'd #641

Episode Date: May 8, 2020

Mike kicks out sell-out songs with Stu Stone and Cam Gordon.

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Hello, friends. Nice crane kick there at the beginning. You know, sweep the leg. And then, of course, Daniel-san answers with the crane kick. Mm-hmm. Are you kidding me? I think I've seen that movie a hundred times maybe.

I watched it over and over again. I loved it. There's always like clever kids in, I guess not anymore, but like when we were in high school and stuff, there was kids that would come on Halloween dressed up as like the shower. You know, there's some like really funny

sort of like the skeletons. There's people who have good karate kid costumes. A lot washing or what wax on wax off a lot of wax on wax off yeah yeah yeah to get the fly and the chopsticks so many i mean we're of the right age i think we're right in that wheelhouse but of course the biggest uh the biggest lesson that we um as a society learned that cruel summer when uh karate kid came out was that karate comes from heart and you learn karate so you never have to use it do i remember that right i feel like that was a big lesson where i was i had a big aha moment uh when i learned that you clearly didn't grow up in Thornhill. Like we were fucking doing karate chops left,

right and center. Yeah. Yeah. Breaking wood. Chopping wood. In Thornhill, we would chop wood. We didn't have axes.

We used our feet. Yeah. If you only knew how old I was when I first visited Thornhill, like it was a pretty recent, I'd say, but before we go too deep in this episode, I want to say... We've seen your arrest record. We know what happened in Thornhill.

I want to say hello to a couple of flies on the wall. I think we should nickname them the flies. First, hello to Lieve Fumka. Hi. How are you? Good. How are you doing? I'm good.

Where's your pussycat? She's asleep in her cat cave. Okay. I actually wish... Is that what she calls her husband? She's on a bike ride. He's a real pussycat. He is. Juan, right? Or Jose?

Juan. Yeah, Juan. It's one of those Spanish names. Juan you know juan or jose or carlos one of those okay so hello to leave a fumka and of course hello to the gentleman who's hosting this fine audio at romephone.ca hello to ian service how's it going? That's good. You could produce this show. Tim's got a soundboard.

He could even be... We should get laugh tracks and sound effects. He should be doing that throughout. That could be his gimmick. Fucking Danger Boy here. Yeah. He could be like Fred Norris. Yeah, you are Fred Norris. Yeah, you should have those drops.

You know, Scott, Scott. Now, I'm glad you played the Patrick Star because the fun fact off the top we were talking before on the red carpet show is that Gene Valaitis who was a guest on Toronto Mike this week he was married to Much Music's first female VJ

a woman named Catherine McClanahan I think is how you say it and she and Gene got divorced by the way so Gene could marry into the Sagato family of Parachute Club fame. And she, the ex-wife, first female VJ of Much Music, went on to marry the voice of Patrick Starr on SpongeBob SquarePants. Who's that? Who's the voice of Patrick?

The husband, or maybe, I don't know if they're still together, but the husband of Gene Velitis' ex-wife. Six degrees of Gene Velitis' ex-wife's husband? Are you with me here? But the fun fact to me that makes this work is that this woman who married Patrick Starr and married Gene Velitis was the first female in much music history. The first female in much...

The first female VJ. I feel like that comes up about every 10 episodes of the toronto my toronto mike podcast um i feel like that's a real calling card for mike with the guests at mike mike that that episode i would say two things that i learned that i had no idea one that there's a jesse and jean lane and Finch. And also that's where the Q107 radio station used to be. Considering Stu and I grew up very close to Finch Station and used to spend a lot of time loitering at Finch Station, I had no idea the Mighty Q was just around the corner during some of those years. I had no idea the Mighty Q was just around the corner during some of those years. Unrelated to that, and I can confirm we did tons of loitering. I mean, tons of loitering. There's another SpongeBob SquarePants connection that's to the Toronto Mike Show that's maybe even more closer than the Jesse and Gene story.

I mean, Tom Kenny, who is the voice of SpongeBob, he knows Stu Stone, who is from the Edison twins. I thought you were going to tell me he was in the Edison twins. No, he wasn't in it. He hasn't even heard of the Edison twins, but, you know, if he listens to this show, I know Tom. How do you know Tom? Did you work with him?

Because I was a voice actor and he was a voice actor and we had the same agent at one point. Of course, he went on to do bigger and better things. But he's a funny guy. Very funny guy. But anyway, I digress. I would argue that you went on to do bigger and better things uh including he's not here this morning uh and i am correct you're here with uh on pandemic friday i'm playing a jam people will think hey mike why are you playing that cold play remix but of course

if you listen i'm playing a song by Craftwork. This is Computer Love, which of course was... That would be a sample? Or how would we describe that, Stu? The use of this rhythm? I can tell you, we describe this as Cam jinxing another person. It's like Cam says somebody's name and they need to go... It's like death's door is name and they need to go.

It's like death's door is coming for them if Cam mentions their name. Well, this one, I was even wearing the Kraftwerk t-shirt. I think that was two weeks ago. And then, yeah, we lost Florian Schneider of Kraftwerk this week, sadly, at the age of 71. I ate some KD in his honor. And I just, you know, that is terrible. It is, it's obviously sad, but, and we're making light of something, but in real life, it is sad.

That guy is a, you know, Kraftwerk laid down the brickwork, the framework for what we know is a lot of modern music, especially like cool music. Yeah. Like when, when Florian of Kraftwork passed this is i mean this is one of the many shitty things about this pandemic craftwork was supposed to play in toronto this summer they were they had a date at the sony center i think it was going to be in july obviously got canceled because of the pandemic and who knows when concerts are going to be back and in the meantime you know some of these artists that we would have seen passing through town maybe for the last

time are no longer going to be with us like it's fucking brutal like it sucks like I don't know what else to say about it like that was sort of definitely on my radar that show because I'd never seen Kraftwerk and now I never will get to at least that version with Florian

who's one of the founders. Is anyone tracking the artists we've killed with our Pandemic Friday episodes? Does anyone remember? I know we've killed a few, right? Do you remember? Don't punch me in with this wee crap. Everybody that I've talked about has had a prosperous life. Is making love or just being in love?

I think you killed the first one, right? You killed the Arrows guy. I love rock and roll. Well, he was a bit of a prick so also you got the wrong arrows i think because that's true that was the wrong guy that was a that was a miss a misidentification the sniper hit the wrong guy but there's been others too uh yeah what was that john john prime forget what John Prine or maybe we just did a little remembrance of John Prine. An FOTM kicked out a

John Prine song for the FOTM KOTJ series. By the way, Cam Gordon kicked out a jam on the most recent episode. So an FOTM kicked that out and then it was revealed like two days later that he had COVID and then he eventually did die. But there's been a few. You had one with Wilner and

Fountains of Wayne too, did you not? Or that was like a bigger gap, I think. Not only that, that was a bigger gap. I feel like that. Yeah, that was a bigger gap. But yeah, let's stop killing people. And hopefully we don't kill anybody. Well, let's see who's going to go.

I mean, you can fill out your bingo cards. You got 15 new entrants this week. Okay, here's how we're going to start things. Before we introduce the premise and theme, the theme of today's jam kicking, Stu and I had a brief interaction on Twitter, and I'm going to play a jam that you guys probably recognize. Tag team music in full effect. That's me, D.C., the brain supreme. And my man Steve Rowland.

We're kicking the floor. We're kicking the floor. And it goes a little something like this. Tag team back again. Reminds me of the summer of 93 when the Jays were, well, I guess that was later than the summer, probably the fall of 93 when the Jays were whipping the Phillies there. But this is Tag Team.

Woomp, there it is. Yes. And I'm going to fade it out because I'm going to play another song. Inside Out and Inside Out. Show my show all you folks what it's all about. Do you know where I can find some booty? Okay, so this is a different song.

What an intro. I know. Is that Grandpa Simpson? Is that supposed to be grandpa simpson yes okay all right i'll bring it down i'll set the table here real quick but that first jam which is the one i heard all over the place like it the one I heard all over the place,

like it was on, it was all over the place. I couldn't miss it. It was Tag Team's Woomp There It Is. It was very popular in this neck of the woods. Meanwhile, unbeknownst to me at the time, there was a hit in the southern states mainly, like in the Florida area and the Georgia region there, where by a band called 95 South,

and their song was called Woot. There it is. And they had the very same, this part. Hold on here. So the songs are eerily similar. Apparently I did a little homework. This one here by 95 South comes out first

and then the Tag Team one comes out a couple of months later. They both recorded it. Go ahead. Here's what happens here. The song you're listening to now, which is not the good hoop. There it is.

Well, this is what we're going to get to, but yes, continue. It was a, you know, but that's that Miami bass sound for these people that recognize that, you know, just the drum production.

That's that Miami sound that, that, that song was very popular and became a strip club hit. And Hoop There It Is became sort of in the vernacular, in slang, it became part of people's... I remember watching wrestling WCW back in the day, possibly Cam was too, where they taped the show in Atlanta. The studio audience would be chanting, Hoop, there it is in the audience.

Before I even heard the song, I heard it as a wrestling chant. I feel like men on a mission to, you know, that's Moe, Oscar and Mabel, Big Mabel. Yeah, they were doing that too. Viscera, you know, a little whoop, there it is. They did it as well. So it was part of, it was just, you know, a pop culture kind of thing down south. And obviously Tag Team had recorded a version too.

Tag Team claimed they never heard the 95 South version or whatever, the 95 Boys. And, you know, the Tag Team version is a much better song. That's why you know it. That's why you know all the words to it right now. That's why we all know. Even Leva Famke knows words to Whoop, there it is. I don't disagree with that's why I know it. That's why you know all the words to it right now. That's why we all know. Even Leva Famke knows words to whoop, there it is. I don't disagree with that's why I know it. I mean, I'm not disagreeing

with which one was the bigger hit in Toronto, Ontario, Canada. No, no, in the world. Well, I'll speak on behalf of the city I was living in at the time, Toronto, Ontario, Canada. I can speak on behalf confidently of the world that the world would agree. So tag teams, whoop, there it is.

The big hit we know was, I'm with you, probably the bigger global hit. When I discovered the 95 South, whoop, there it is, I'm telling you, I found it to be a much better song, like a far superior song to the tag team. And this is why I just wanted to bring it up off the top, because on Twitter you said that was the worst take you had ever read. That's the worst take I've ever read. I'm doubling down to tell you, and I would love to hear if Cam, Ian,

or Levi Fumka have an opinion. I'm telling you, if you play the tag team version, and then you place this 95 South, Woot, there it is. In my humble opinion, as a lover of hip-hop and popular music, no comparison. The 95 South song is a better song. Wow. That's disgusting yeah i mean okay mike what about the i hope you guys remember this the adams family version of who it is how about that you know where does that factor into the equation no one would ever listen to that song or play that

song okay just leave uhumpka or Ian Service want to chime in here before we move on? 95 South versus Tag Team. Do you have any opinion at all? Crickets. I can't sing along to the 95 South one. I produce Take 8. I'm going to take it.

Is there an equivalent of this situation? Like two songs that were like one word apart? Yeah, actually, I can think of another one. What's that? House of Pain, Jump, and Criss Cross Jump came out.

No, no, no. Shut up. That's dumb. How's that dumb? Both of them were jump, jump. These two songs have the same refrain. There it is. There it is. Jump and jump around are completely different songs. The only coincidence is... Same idea. Making people jump.

Okay, so Van Halen, jump, same thing. You could do a mega mix with all three. Up jump the boogie. Pointer Sisters had a big jump. I wish you would step off of that ledge, my friend. Pointer Sisters had a big jump. I know that in the mix. I wish you would step off of that ledge, my friend. Okay. Jump, you know, Pointer Sisters, jump, jump.

Might as well jump, jump. That's stupid, Stu. I don't usually jump on the stupid Stu bandwagon. Jump, jump on it. Yeah, Mike's jumping on the bandwagon. I don't like to do that. Look at that. Let's just say, look what we've done.

You happy, pal? I told my four-year-old stupid's a bad word. Now, I'm going to just leave this by saying it's subjective. I do far prefer South, 95 South to tag team. Maybe Cam can use the powers of Twitter to create a poll for this week. I think you're going to lose another Twitter poll. Like, you're over. You're having a real Nelson Liriano type of day at the plate.

As long as I play good defense, it's going to be all right. Actually, you know what's a good song to quad city DJs? Come on, ride the train. That's a good one. Yeah, similar to Woot. I think that's similar to Woot. There it is. Yeah, it's the same, but it doesn't have the actual Woot.

There it is, free frame. So I don't remember in music history two songs coming out that close together with such similarities. Sounds like there needs to be a pot. That could be a potential episode. I think it is, but I don't think we'd have any other great examples. So I want to issue a correction, though. I was shamed last week because I confused two different collectives. I just want to, for the record, say I was thinking of Anderson, Bruford, Wakeman, Howe.

They played the CNA Grandstand when I was working there in 89, and I got them confused with Emerson, Lake, and Palmer. So that's where the, you know, I sounded dumb talking about Emerson, you know, you know, I sounded, I said Emerson, Lake, and Palmer

had something to do with Yes, but it is Anderson, Bruford, Wakeman, How Palmer had something to do with Yes, but it is Anderson, Bruford, Wakeman, Howe that were the members of Yes that were touring for a couple of years in the late 80s. So I want to issue that correction. Can I also issue a correction?

Once Cam's done? No, I was just going to say, Mike, it was interesting once you flipped over that rock just to see all the prog rock aficionados in the Toronto Mike universe. It was a little surprising, frankly. That's Mike's demo. He's got that sweet spot, that prog rock demo. It is also, I confess it being a great blind spot for me in that I only know enough to be dangerous in the prog rock world.

I didn't ever dive into that universe. So that's how I made a mistake like this. We'll get you there. We'll get you there. I want to issue a correction as well. I have been calling Ian Tim. And his name is actually Ian. But yeah, I'm going to do my best there, Tim.

Do not make a mistake. We've been saying leave a Femke. That's what you told us. Leave a Femke. I thought I was doing it right. But it's leave a. And we've been saying... Do not make a mistake. We've been saying Levae Famca, and I'm... Well, that's what you told us, Levae Famca. I thought I was doing it right, but it's Leva Famca. Leva?

Oh, Leva, like Leva. Leva is an actual name that I've never heard before. Leva is a more common name than Levae. I don't know any Levas. And also the Led Zeppelin when the Leva breaks.

Yep. Oh, yeah, and the great Spike Lee documentary. when the Leva breaks. Yep. Oh yeah. And the great Spike Lee documentary. Don't miss that one. Okay. So did Tim, I mean, did Ian ever sign up for garbage day at garbage day.com slash Toronto Mike?

It's in my calendar. I will get it done. Honestly, do it. It helps the show. So if you, if you love these pandemic Friday episodes and you enjoy Toronto Mic'd episodes, going to garbageday.com slash Toronto Mic

and signing up for this free and wonderful service, no pun intended, really is a wise thing to do. So please do that. I know you've done it, right, Stu? And you've done it, Cam? And you've done it, Leva? I can tell you that

monzi from my old buddy monzi from my pet monster uh he used to uh munch on garbage according to the theme song like he ate garbage that was what my pet monster ate he ate garbage literal garbage so i think that he would be a possible maybe we could get me an endorsement deal with them and be like hey this is dude you know i used to hang with Monzi and he loves garbage and you can love garbage too. Or the garbage heap that was central to the wonderful Fraggle Rock. Yeah.

Yeah, I like my... The trash heap. Yeah, the trash heap. That's where the... What are they called? Who are those big guys? Uber? Uber?

Yeah, the Gorgs. Yeah, the big guys. Oh, yeah, shit. Yeah, what were they called? the Gorgs. Yeah, the big guys. Oh, yeah, shit. Yeah, what were they called? Fucking Gorgs. Somebody Google it. The Gorgs. The Gorgs.

Okay, the Gorgs. I hear they're making, I think, new episodes of Fraggle Rock are coming soon, like filmed on iPhones or something. I think my number one exposure to Fraggle Rock that I ever had, because I was more of a Muppets, Sesame, Muppet Babies guy. But McDonald's one year offered Fraggle Rock toys. And that's sort of, I think Fraggle Mania really went into another gear once the Fraggle Rock toys were available at McDonald's. It was filmed here.

Yeah, those were the shit. There's a great Toronto connection with Fraggle Rock because they filmed it here. Very cool. Do you guys remember Boober Fraggle? He had a very specific, let's just call it a fetish. Do you remember what that was, Boober Fraggle? What was his fetish? What was his fetish?

He used to love to do laundry. So if Mike ever teams up with a laundry app or something, Laundry Day, go to Boober.com. Dust off Boober Freidel. But seriously, folks. It seems like all the Smurfs seem to have fetishes too. Their entire personalities were just based on one thing that they liked.

I love how Levi Fanta took a note when I said Boober has a laundry fetish. She's writing this down. The Smurfs stole the book. The Smurfs stole that from the Seven Dwarves, Snow White and the Seven Dwarves, right?

Like that's pretty much a ripoff. They all had one characteristic that was kind of amplified. Well, I don't know if it's a ripoff because there's no, I don't think Gargamel and Snow White are the same. And they're the only kind of humans in the story.

The Smurfs and the dwarves are... Anyway, we'll call it a remix? But there's seven dwarves and there's like 7,000 Smurfs. It's not an exact copy. It's not an exact copy. I want to let people know... Sort of like, woot, there it is, and woomp, there it is, you mean. So I'm going to close that argument by saying

woomp, there it is, is the Smurfs of you know, they're the Smurfs. Then woot, there it is, is the Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs. The classic, the greater product, if you will. Now I see that Leva works from home and of course Ian's working from home and Cam's

working from home. Stu, do you work? working from home and Cam's working from home. Stu, do you work? Is there any work going on for you? There is some work. I'm actually working on this beard. I don't know if you can see. The pictures are getting taken every week, but it's getting longer and longer. And, you know, I'm also actually in post, as we say, post-production on a new film,

which as soon as it's done, we can start the promotional train right here on the Toronto Mic Experience. Will we have the same success? There's a new movie coming. There's a new movie coming. Does it have anything to do with Sportsline or Harold Ballard? Those are two topics I think we need to dive deep into. No, neither of those topics are,

are in this particular movie, but this is a good one. I'll tell you what, Great Lakes Brewery provided beer for this movie. Oh, I remember, I remember this. Yeah.

So I remember you said you needed some beer for a scene and then Troy hooked you up. Okay. Well, did you get to drink the product after you used it or did you have to send it back? I did. I did. I get to drink the product after you used it or did you send it back uh i did i did i get to drink the product and just so you know and cam and i'm speaking on behalf of cam as well we have both been banking uh every episode here we have so much uh pasta and lasagna

coming our way and so many sixers of beer coming our way when this pandemic is over there's gonna we're gonna be like a separate i'm gonna have to buy a separate freezer for all the lasagna. Like a walk-in industrial freezer. Yeah, just to house it all. You can wallpaper the wall with your Toronto Mike stickers from StickerU, and this is all said and done here. But since you're all working from home, I just want to get this thought completed, which is that if you want tips for setting up a safe work-from-home network,

you need to go to cdntechnologies.com slash WFH. Do you know what that stands for, Stu? WFH. What? What fucking hell? Close. Work-from-home.

So cdntechnologies.com. Same thing. Now, I kind of felt like that banter was not genuine there. I knew you were leading us into some sort of advertisement. Well, you know, we got to pay the bills around here. Now, Cam, you're the smart one, as usual, on Pandemic Fridays. Are you able to establish the premise for today, the theme of today's jam kicking so we can get kicking? Yeah, absolutely. So this one is a bit more opinion based than some of the past focus areas we've had. I think it's a great topic. These are five examples. We each pick

five songs of bands either selling out or, as important, attempting to sell out. So these are songs that I think, generally speaking, artists took a left turn to perhaps a more commercial or a different type of sound and were perhaps met with some mixed opinions from longtime fan bases and music fans in in general so i'm very curious to see what everyone came up with i'm very happy with my five choices stew what are your thoughts on this my thoughts are like on the sellout thing like for me when i was like going through picking songs when i was thinking of sellout i was also thinking of like examples where the artist like a popular of like examples where the artist like a popular artist like threw in the towel like what the hell is this or if they you know had

some street cred they made a move that like eliminated any street cred they had and was it yes owner of a lonely heart i think that's when we start talking about this last week right uh it would have been... I thought it was something else. Maybe it was. Or like Moody Blues? I think it was Moody Blues, I think. But I do know we talked about the Chris Cornell... Remember the Chris Cornell album? Was it Timbaland?

What was the Chris Cornell thing he did? Yes. I think it was called Scream or he had a song called Scream. I thought that was a great example and then I think we all thought it was such a great example that no one picked it. So that's your reference point, but you won't hear it today. But what, guys, what day of the week is it right now? I'm getting confused.

What day of the week is it? It's Friday. Okay. Cool. Did you ever pick him? Yeah. I don't know if I agree with this, but let's hear what you have to say. Okay. And that'll be what makes this very interesting today,

is that one of us will kind of pitch why they, you know, present why they think this is an appropriate song. Yeah, no, I'm interested to hear this because to me this sounds like a Cure song. Well, again, yes, this is the Cure, Pride, Amid Love. What are you guys saying? First of all, do you guys like this song? What are you guys saying? First of all, do you guys like this song? It's not my favorite, but I definitely heard it enough to have it get into my brain like it was played so much

that I know it I wouldn't have gone out of my way to find it otherwise It's not my favorite Cure song, but it is a song I enjoy, like when I hear it I enjoy hearing it But I just don't understand this doesn't sound like a departure from their other offerings.

Well, I don't know. I mean, I would say it was definitely a progression as someone who, you know, fairly big Cure fan for a long time. It was definitely a path they were heading with some past cure tracks like just like heaven and in between days but this to me sort of took it to the next level and i think broader more broadly like the public opinion a lot of longtime cure fans especially coming out of disintegration which is the album before this that had love song and Pictures of You and a lot of moody tracks. The next album, they come out with this.

That was all over Top 40 Radio, easily their biggest hit on the Billboard charts, I reckon. Yes, yes. I don't know. I remember at the time it got a lot of mixed reactions. Well, I think that The Cure, their whole thing that was so really great for them, there's like this rare time when a band can connect with an audience and have their own bubble.

I mean, it happens more often now, but back then, you know, The Cure had their own thing, their own bubble. They didn't need to be on the radio. They had a huge fan base, huge popularity. People would trade their records and their fans all fucking put on the makeup or whatever the hell.

It's like there was a scene. Yeah, it was like a cosplay thing. And I think this song sort of opened up the Cure to making money and going commercial, more commercial. I guess technically, that is a bit of a sellout move, but to me,

someone who's more of a casual Cure fan, this just sounded like another Cure offering to me. Well, I think the interesting thing, I mean, they were already playing stadiums when they put out Disintegration. Like they played C&E Stadium. That's what I'm saying.

They were big. They were big without Top 40 is my point. Yeah. Like, I don't know if this song made them more popular. It was probably heard by a lot of people who had maybe never heard Love Song or Just Like Heaven before, but I don't know if they like... I meant their popularity as in like

people who didn't know The Cure know The Cure, think of this song. Like if you ask casual people name of The Cure song, this is probably the song that most of those casual people would mention

if they could even name a song at all. This broadens the awareness amongst the masses because this is such a mainstream pop hit. So I kind of get Cam's point. They kind of had this certain style, but on this song, it sort of goes broad, if you will. It really does sound like it would fit alongside a Tiffany song

or a New Kids on the Block song or something. You know, you can hear this song playing in the supermarket while you're like going for groceries. And, but the grateful dead a lot like how the grateful dead last week I played a touch of gray. That's a song that the only grateful dead song that most people who even know a grateful dead song know.

And that's their sort of Friday. I'm in love. Yeah. Well, I, I, another song came to mind when I chose this one was R.E.M.

Shiny Happy People that came out around the same time because I think they had similar reactions where R.E.M. certainly was not a goth band

by any stretch. But again, there was a lot of reaction to that song being like, what the fuck is this shit? This sort of, this is like a children's song.

Stand in the place where you live, are you talking about? No, no, shiny happy people with the B-52s, right? That's with the B-52s, right? Yeah, with B-52s. What's your name? Right, right. They were all from Athens, Georgia, right?

They were all together there. That's right. This has got to be a stupid. Great song. This version got to be a stupid. Great song. This version, you picked it. Not only am I playing sellout songs, but I'm playing sellout songs that are fucking great songs. You

should know everywhere I go everywhere I go Karate Kid 2, by the way. Yeah, Peter Cetera, I was going to say. Yeah, the big hit from Karate Kid 2, by the way. Yeah, Peter Cetera. I was going to say, yeah, the big hit from Karate Kid 2. All right, Stu, tell us why you chose You're the Inspiration by Chicago. Well, you know, if you were a fan of Chicago from their early roots

and the entire decade of the 70s than this album Disgusted You. Yes. This is their most commercially successful music for anybody who's an 80s kid

and beyond. But it's actually a huge departure and left turn from anything they did in the 70s, with the exception of the song If You Leave Me Now, which was a Peter Cetera-penned song.

This song is called You're the Inspiration. Obviously, everybody knows it. It's the best. It's the third single from their album, which ended up reaching number three on the charts. Here's a fun fact. The song was originally written by David Foster, Canadian connection in here. David Foster also credited as being the man who ruined Chicago for Chicago fans,

or made them better, according to their accountants. Right. Which makes this a perfect seller. The song was originally written for Kenny Rogers to sing. But Kenny Rogers did not have the time to do it. And Cetera ended up cutting it. And the original song was written, when it was written for Kenny Rogers, which was penned by Cetera and Foster,

was about going to art galleries in Italy and seeing the Michelangelo and how inspired he felt. And they ended up changing it into a love song about a woman or whatever the case may be. Congratulations on Chicago. They sold out and boy, did they ever. I actually love old Chicago stuff that came before this. But I also love the Chicago ballad era as well. I'm a sucker for it. I love it.

David Foster certainly loves it. Well, you mentioned The Accountants. This was the song that meant you'd be hearing so much Chicago on the easy rocks of the world, essentially. This is the easy list. You're probably going to hear it right now on, what's that station called? Jewel.

It's a great song for what it is, but if you were a Chicago fan, yeah, you'd want to burn this thing, I'd assume. Oh, they were really pissed. The funny part about this song, specifically, is, which is really indicative of the era, but

the music video was really a huge thing in the 80s. It was music videos were everything, right? And when you had these like weird sort of ugly 70s bands all of a sudden getting a camera on them, somebody had to say, who are you going to put on camera? It's like all these like middle-aged guys playing instruments, you know, trying to market that on MTV. Peter Cetera cuts his hair and ends up becoming the heartthrob of the band. that on MTV, Peter Cetera cuts his hair and ends up becoming the heartthrob of the band.

It's a pretty funny situation when you watch Chicago videos and see them all being sexy. And then it all comes back? It does seem like a totally different band. It's almost unimaginable when you think of a song like Street Player or something.

How is this even remotely the same band? yeah like it's it's unreal and i would argue and stew i you know i'm hesitant to agree with you so passionately but this might be the prototypical example of the today's theme like this is really a strong offering by you yeah well you know i always bring it and and you see it on twitter every week people saying stew wins every round they know they know hashtag stew is always right it's one one person okay let's not exactly no no i've seen a few i've seen a few yeah shout out to uh fotm linda for sure okay lbv right right the patron saint of pandemic yeah the president of team stew l Team Stew. LBV knows. This ain't a game. I'm on a mission.

Ole, ole, ole. Ole, ole, ole, ole. Buster Poindexter. Correct him on news. Yes, sir! Ha, ha! Hey, yo! Hey, yo! Hey, yo! Hey, yo! Hey, yo! Hey, yo! Hey, yo! Hey, yo! Hey, yo! Hey, yo! Hey, yo! Hey, yo! Hey, yo! Hey, yo! Hey, yo! Hey, yo! All right. That's about as much as I can take of that.

I'm going to bring it down. There was a spoiler, which this was ruined for Cam. So normally Cam sends me his five jams, and Stu sends me his five jams. But Cam doesn't know what Stu picked. Cam doesn't know what I picked. And Stu doesn't know what I picked. And Stu doesn't know what Cam picked.

But Cam, tell us how know what I picked, and Stu doesn't know what I picked, and Stu doesn't know what Cam picked. But Cam, tell us how you knew I picked this song. Well, you know, as I'm not sort of like Cy Sperling, I'm not just a Toronto Mike guest, I'm also a listener. Yeah, I listen... He's Cy Sperling, by the way. He died recently.

Yes, same year as The Think. Ironically, we were in like a few... So yeah, you had Scott Ferguson, long time Same here as The Fink. Ironically, ironically, we're in like a few. Sadly. So yeah, you had Scott Ferguson, longtime voice on the Fan 590 and TSN Radio and a bunch of other great places, Sportsline, amongst other places, and really deep in that episode. And I don't really remember, it came up,

he mentioned his first concert was seeing Kiss open for the New York Dolls at Massey Hall. And Mike, you let the rat out of the bag as it were in saying that we'll speak at the New York Dolls and their singer, David Johansson, they're going to be featured this Friday

on Pandemic Fridays. I was shocked that Scott Ferguson went to a New York Dolls concert. That was my main takeaway takeaway and he seemed all in he knew all about David he was quick to tell me you know he's got a cameo in Scrooged which of course yeah David Johansson's in Scrooged

but just to give a little background for those who don't know Buster Poindexter as you just mentioned Cam is David Johansson, who is, of course, he's from the New York Dolls, which was, in my opinion, a very cool band. Like this was cool shit.

I feel like, I don't know if this is a sellout song for him as much as I thought that this was more, he was just having fun doing a fun cover that ended up becoming a thing. There's not a bar mitzvah or simcha that you could go to from 19, whenever this song came out till whenever this song plays everywhere this is a this is an Italian wedding classic well it was also in like a lot of

commercials like there'd be like McCain super fries oh hot hot hot you know like a lot of now it is I believe it is a cover like it's not an original. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I thought it was just him having fun doing a wacky cover, doing a funny voice.

You know, not since Shock G became Humpty Hump have I seen the same person sort of, you know, Garth Brooks, I think, put out an album that's like, leave a fam cut or something like that. It was Gaines, Chris Gaines. That's right. Chris Gaines. Chris Gaines, yeah. That's what it was. All right, so firstly, if one of you had kicked out a Chris Gaines track, that would be appropriate, but I would say that you've taken the guy from the New York Dolls,

punk rock, great art in my opinion, no hits really, but then with this song, it was everywhere. What a monster hit. But to me, it's a complete sellout. I think even David himself would be cringing when you talk about his buster poindexter uh hit hot hot hot so i i'm suggesting this as an example of a sellout song could be it seems like more of like a fun departure i still think i won this round by a landslide um but uh you know it's a good

all three good songs to start the uh to start the show well i think that's one of the great things about this topic is you know sellout can mean a few different things it can be mean an artistic departure or it can mean i don't know like i i seriously doubt that david johansson knew that this song would be that's what i'm saying i don't think unlock alock a bank account. Right. I thought... I think he was just having fun in the studio

doing a cover of a funny song singing in a funny voice. All right. Well, you guys can defend David's honor there. And I'm going to suggest it was a sellout song. But let's kick out Cam's second jam. still one of their better songs that's a great great song we'll talk does have a bit of a It does have a bit of a...

Sounds like Sheryl fucking Crow. Oh, yeah, Ashley Simpson or something. No offense to Sheryl Crow. All right, talk to us, Cam. You've chosen Hole's Malibu. Yeah, so this is... Yeah, so Malibu came out in 1998. Again, this is from the album Celebrity Skin. That was a very glossy, you know, sort of almost like a power pop album

coming on the heels of Hole's breakthrough, Live Through This. Stu and I had seen Hole, I think we were both there, Lollapalooza 95 and Barry with Courtney Love and sort of peak Courtney Love shtick, you know, kind of telling the crowd to go fuck themselves. Your leg up on the... Yeah, exactly, kind of flashing her foot up on the amp, kind of churning through Miss World, all those grungy hits.

And then three years later, all of a sudden, she's a big Hollywood actress starring in The People vs. Larry Flint, amongst other things, hits and then three years later all of a sudden she's a big Hollywood actress starring in the People vs. Larry Flint amongst other things and then came out with this album Celebrity Skin. This was actually the second single from that album. This song was if it makes you happy.

I might as well have been. I mean but this song was actually co-written by Billy Corgan of the Smashing Pumpkins who many rumors circulate between that those two were romantically linked as well. I think that's on the public record. I think they were. I think that's public record. People say that Billy Corgan also wrote a bunch of songs on the whole first record as well.

That's right. Yeah. He was sort of a ghostwriter for her and maybe she was running around on Kurt. But wasn't she with Corgan before kurt i'm not sure i don't think she was but it was never clear because i think there was always stuck with her and uh it could be wrong but evan dando from the lemonheads oh he spoke recently too like she kind of got around that yeah juliana halfield's guy that's right i mean you don't it's you'd be hard pressed to find another person who benefited more from somebody passing away like that than her.

Maybe Puff Daddy? I can't think of anybody else. Yeah, no, that's actually not a bad analogy, even though, I mean, Puffy and Biggie were not married, but I mean, you know. Like they were best friends, and then Puffy got propelled were not married, but I mean, you know... Like they were best friends, and then Puffy got propelled into superstardom. Yeah, I think that's fair. I mean, around the same time, but... Yeah, needless to say,

a lot of mixed opinions about this whole album. I personally always loved the singles from this album. I thought they were great, and I think they really hold up. What do you guys think? I think it's a good song. I mean, obviously, I do agree that the sound has way more of a Ashley Simpson kind of vibe to it. More than an Ashley McIsaac vibe to it.

And I think that it's a good song, but you could be right. You could be on to something. I don't know if they sell out completely here, but I think she in general might have, you know, you might just paint her with a broad brush and just, there's a lot of things she did that might be considered selling out. Okay, my turn. Firstly, shout out to Sleepy Maggie, which is a tremendous single from Ashley MacIsaac with that Gaelic singer. That's really, really strong. Although I think he's had some legal troubles and you might not want to be praising him. Galick singer. That's really, really strong. Although I think he's had some legal troubles and you might not want to be

praising him. Well, he's got some young boyfriends that may be younger than is appropriate. So we'll, we'll move on from that to, for me to just tell you that cam's chosen a very strong entry here. I'm praising him as well because I fucking loved live through this. And I thought it rocked hard and I can throw it on now.

Fucking kills really, honestly, a violet, and I can throw it on now, fucking kills, really, honestly, Violet, it's just, it's really a heavy album, and I love it, and this album, which I didn't mind, like, I'd hear it on the radio, I went and saw them at an Edge Fest in, like, I don't know, 2000 or 99, I get confused, 98 or something, they were at an Edge Fest, and she was great, it was rainy and cold and I still enjoyed Hole and it was fine. But this album is a huge departure from Live Through This and they totally softened the sound and

it popified the whole thing. This is a sellout album. Very Aerosmith in their approach. Yeah, I mean, yeah. Kind of in some ways and it was very... Keep in mind, this also came out at the time when bands like Limp Bizkit and Kid Rock and Korn were sort of dominating the modern rock airwaves.

I guess like Linkin Park had probably showed up by that point. So, I mean, yeah, it was very out of step by other stuff you were hearing on Ziff and Why at that time. Yeah, and it was like a legacy act. They were only playing it because they played Live Through This and Miss World and all that. It was almost like, because this is Kurt's Widow, we're going to play this,

but this isn't the sound necessarily that was aligned with what you were hearing with the other Edge stuff. Okay, so I think that's a good choice, strong choice. Now, Stu, interesting choice. I can't wait to talk about this. The sun is shining and the grass is green. Let this one ride.

The orange and palm trees sway. There's never been such a day in Beverly Hills, L.A. In Beverly Hills, L.A. But it's December the 24th Lots of schmaltz here off the top. But I have so much to say, I can't wait till it's my turn. Yeah, I am dreaming of a white Christmas. Just like the ones I used to know. I mean, you could turn it down. Merry Christmas, by the way.

One of the worst renditions of I've Been Dreaming of a White Christmas you can possibly imagine is that they took inspiration from Billy Joel's doo-wop album. Oh, yeah. I got to tell you, man. inspiration from Billy Joel's doo-wop album. Oh, yeah. Which had... I gotta tell you, man. Neil Diamond's Christmas album has gotta be one of the biggest

sellout moves that you can imagine. This is somebody who is lifted on the top of the pedestal of the Jewish community when he burst into superstardom. He starred in the movie The Jazz Singer. He was the staple of a nice

Jewish celebrity. And then in typical fashion, someone threw a bag of money at him and he recorded one of the most popular Christmas albums. When did this come out? How old is this? He recorded one of the most popular Christmas albums there ever was.

Neil Diamond. The album actually reached number eight on the Billboard album sales chart. What year was it, Stu? I would have to look back at that, but I think this is like 1991 or something like that. Oh, that late? Because I'm going to put forward, I'm going to suggest to you that this is not a sellout song because he was a sellout already. Like he was already a schmaltzy cheese factory. Yeah, but I'm saying to put forward, I'm going to suggest to you that this is not a sellout song because he was a sellout already. He was already a schmaltzy cheese factory.

Yeah, but I'm saying he sold out his people. Oh, wow. He should have been singing, I'm dreaming of a latke Hanukkah. Oh, I see what you're saying. I never considered that. He's doing a Christmas album. He doesn't even celebrate Christmas. Is that not a sellout move? I think we're getting into sellout in the

Million Dollar Man Ted DiBiase sentence now, which is good. Again, it's a different interpretation of sellout. I think it totally fits this episode. This song was written by a gentleman of the Jewish faith. It doesn't matter. I'm talking about Neil Diamond, who was like the jazz singer. Love on the racks. Wow.

OK, so I understand this is a sellout and he sold out his faith. He sold it out. For a couple bucks, he's singing about Santa Claus is coming to town. And Stu, again, for the record, you have license to call him out for this due to the fact Stone is not your real last name. I agree. I'm a sellout as well, but that's a whole other list. Neil Diamond is the man, obviously, and you can't take away his impact on pop culture. You may think his songs are schmaltzy,

but Cam is a huge UB40 fan because of Neil Diamond. Mike is a huge Monkees fan because of Neil Diamond. There is no way to sort of discredit this man, you know, smash mouth. Would they exist without Neil Diamond? They wouldn't. Neil Diamond is an inspiration,

but shouldn't have recorded a Christmas album. Just my opinion. I think that's a valid opinion. I'm glad you expressed it. I didn't even consider that. Well, thank you very much. I win another round.

I don't think I'm at liberty to say any further. If you feel that way as a proud member of the Jewish community... Like maybe people who are hardcore Christian communists would be upset that Cat Stevens went and

did whatever he did. But he changed faith. You're allowed to change faith. You just can't... Yeah, you're allowed to change. Right, right. So Neil didn't change. That's like saying Kareem Abdul-Jabbar is allowed to do what he did because he converted. I think there's a flip side of this when, remember that band Jars

of Clay had like an alt-rock radio? That's when like a Christian artist becomes sort of mainstream. Oh, The Flood. Yeah, Baby Baby. Yeah, The Flood, I think, is the name of that Jarzik Clay song. Katy Perry is a great example. Katy Perry was literally a Christian artist, and then she changed her name to Katy Perry

and sang about kissing girls. And she liked it. Before I forget, two things that I'm going to say quickly. One is that, speaking of people who converted to different faiths, Ahmad Rashad is 70 years old. And if you've seen him doing his interviews about The Last Dance, he looks amazing. Like, he looks younger than Stu Stone. You know, he also has the luxury of being married to, I think they're still married to.

Felicia. Felicia Rashad, Mrs. Cosby on The Cosby Show. Claire! Claire! Where's my hoagie scent? Claire. Claire Huxtable. I don't know if you're allowed to do that anymore. Yeah, actually, good fun fact there. And one more thing I want to say, because when I heard Neil Diamond, I remembered, I was thinking of Gino Vanelli as I was listening, and I just

want to say, Gino Vanelli, who is a great FOTM, one of the greatest. Is this where we're going to hear fast cars? Or black cars, I should say? No, I'm going somewhere else. Much sadder place, actually. I want to give my condolences to Gino,

who just revealed that COVID took his 93-year-old mother. Oh, no. As you can expect, Gino is devastated by this loss. As he described it, one day she's up talking, enjoying tea, everything's fine. The next day, she has a fever and the day

after that, she's gone. COVID took her quickly. So, Gino, we're thinking of you. We know you're a big listener of the program. That's terrible. I'm sad to hear that. So now on that sad note, let's play a song that made me sad as a former fan of this

band. Let's kick out a sellout jam there's a little build-up here though so let it brew but you know you can talk over this part because otherwise it would be really boring i think but i will say a coincidence is that this song was just kicked out by uh david alter do you know the name david alter he covers the leaves he kicked us out we used to work with dav with David Alter David Alter kicked out this song as one of his favorite songs of all time for an FOTM KOTJ volume, the one you're on Cam

volume 12 I think which also features my daughter Morgan so let's hear this song that he loves so much and I hate so much this is gross this is somebody's favorite song much. Ugh. This is gross. Is this somebody's favorite song? David Alters.

I feel like you could do a whole three-hour show of sellout songs this band has done. I'm going to start to follow David Alters. What a disgusting choice. Alright, in a moment it'll actually kick in here because this is his favorite song. And then I have a lot to say about this band.

Shout out to Jonathan Ornoy, by the way, Ken. Big band. Love them. One of the good guys. One of the good guys. It only takes one minute and 20 seconds to start this fucking shitty song. One of the good guys. One of the good guys, for sure. It only takes one minute and 20 seconds to start this fucking shitty song. I'll bring it down.

People can go to YouTube and listen to Disco. I feel like they sold out long before this song. So let's talk about that, okay? I mean, I was a fan of this from back in the day with Boy and War and all this stuff. And I was a fan of this from back in the day with Boy and War and all this stuff. And I was a huge, and I was maybe the right age,

but I really, really liked The Joshua Tree. Like, I thought it was a great album. I would argue and say that they cashed in their chips after Rattle and Hum. Well, let's hold on.

Let me build up there and then we can hear the stew still. All right. Okay, so you got The Joshua Tree, it's monster hits. Like, you're now top 40

with or without you. Everything's on that. But it's a one. I think it's a wonderful album personally. I also loved, ready for this? I loved Rattle and Hum. I loved When Love Comes to Town. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

I said after, anything that came after Rattle and Hum probably. The one after Rattle and Hum, and I like that, like I said, it was Octung Baby. So yes, Octung Baby, you could argue Octung Baby was a sellout. But at the same time, it was still really strong. Like it had one and it had some other big hits.

Mysterious Ways was probably their biggest departure. It had like a drum loop. Well, okay, so subjective and we'll get that, but then you have, I'm giving them a pass

on Octung Baby because I feel it's still really good. Fair, fair. I had that CD. I'll give them a pass. Yeah, I had that CD too. Maybe the Batman soundtrack song?

Oh shit, yeah. Okay, so this this am I correct that this is the album after Octung baby do I have it right I should have disco disco tech disco tech yeah so I feel like this is their answer to like Fatboy Slim and Moby's pop I seriously cannot believe someone can choose one fucking song to put on a Toronto Mike

FOTM and this was the choice. Like, that is astonishing. I am disgusted and appalled. I honestly have to agree with Kim. Very rare that I would agree this hard with any, you know, I agree completely. I know, that almost disturbs me more that you and I are

agreeing. But again, I worked worked i sat beside this man at a job i thought i knew him i clearly didn't i'm a fan of you two i've been to their concerts i've seen the cult of you two they're not my favorite group by any means but i definitely respect their their catalog of hits and you know their schmaltziness. But I will say that there's no way in hell, even from a being as subjective as possible, that this could be somebody's favorite U2 song. Like how could this be their favorite song? Forget favorite, forget favorite U2 song,

which is insane. Yeah. Like I'm just narrowing it down even just to U2. This is like so far down the list. Favorite song. So in U2. This is like so far down the list. Favorite song. So in U2, this ranks what? This is probably the 282nd best U2 song. Maybe he lost his virginity to this song.

There's got to be some sort of story that connects him to this song. He tells a bit of a story. Maybe he went to one of Cam's massage parlors and this is what they were playing. People should go to F.O.T. That was a great conversation that people enjoyed listening to last week. That was fun, yes. He got very uncomfortable when we discussed the rub and tugs versus the legit. So I am of the opinion, and you could argue it happened much earlier.

Yes, you can argue it happened much earlier in the life of U2. But in my opinion, the album Pop and the song Discotheque, that is the jump the shark moment where it's like, okay, Bono and U2, there's something else now. The band I enjoyed is gone and dead and I'm going to move on. I feel like. Go ahead, Cam. Well, I was just going to say, I feel like when that video came out, remember when Michael Jackson, Black and White, the video had the big premiere on Fox after after like beverly hills 90210 or something it was after the simpsons yeah was that okay it was after i feel like that the song for this video

had a similar like shtick like it was like after the mtv music awards 97 we're gonna have the exclusive worldwide premiere i feel like there was a version of this maybe and everyone was like what the fuck is that it was like you two dressing up as the village people the song was a steaming pile of shit like it was just awful it was an awful experience it's very rare that you see a band or anything for that matter like double jump the shark triple jump the shark this is a band that has been jumping sharks more than you know listen when they fucking put their album on my iphone i can't i still can't get that fucking thing off my iphone it's that it's like that's unforgivable that i was forced to have you two's like 17th album not by S-Android users are still laughing at you guys for that one.

Listen, you've got other problems if you're an Android user. I'm happy. Ian and Liva, I know you guys are working hard over there, but if you ever wanted to chime in, maybe if you wanted to... Now would be the time. If Disco Tech is a song you love, I would kind of like

to add your name to this list I'm keeping here. They don't love it no they neither and leva is shaking her head uh passionately there so all right let's move on now that we're all riled up there uh by the way did is it safe to say stew won that round as well is that yeah of course oh okay you know you're telling me neil diamond white christmas it doesn't beat... Well, you've introduced religion, which I think we can't touch that. That's hot button

stuff right there. I'm a Gentile. I need to be careful here. A gentle Gentile. Gentle giant. I wish. Okay. By the way, did you guys notice anything missing here? Oh, yeah. Look at that. You got your cast off. giant right i wish okay by the way did you guys notice anything missing here did you yeah oh yeah you got your cast off came off wednesday morning yeah like well now you don't have to go to the

massage parlor anymore you're back in business leave enjoy that one okay let us uh kick out cam's third jam which i feel is i even be i know what it is so i can say this that it reminds me of the previous whole jam actually it. It's going to be interesting. I feel like a lot of mine are sort of in the same. Right, yeah. Rock bands that went soft. And because these are videos I ripped to MP3, we get always that crappy opening there.

Okay. Oh, is this Jewel? Yeah. This is a great example right here. This was like, what is happening? Oh, is this Jewel? Yeah. This is a great example right here. This was like, what is happening? Yeah, this is just... Let her breathe a bit and then we'll just tear into Jewel. I'm going to be sick The music video for this thing is pretty

Move over Shak Shakira. Here comes Jewel. Yeah, so this is Jewel, the song Intuition, released in 2003. Mike, you might remember, I sent you a link to this in one of my other choices about five seconds after we were done our last episode. For some reason, this song just randomly popped into my head. I'm like, this is, I think this is a fucking bullseye

for what we were just discussing big time however in Jewel's defense in defense of Jewel in defense of Jewel that's an interesting podcast where you have to defend something that's an atrocity like this song

is it possible that broke living in her car jewel had no choice but to play her guitar and write okay hold on if i may and then when she made money she was able to do what she really wanted to do which was britney spears music is it possible that this is actually the music she wanted to make? And because of her circumstances and scenarios, she only could do broken her car with her guitar songs. Is it possible that that's the case? Maybe.

And I mean, the backstory in this as per Wikipedia entry is just, this was very influenced by, she got really into the club scene in LA where she was living. And yeah, I don't know. I mean, you know, we talk about Chicago previously. You're a street player versus you're the inspiration

and schmaltzy, now I'm saying schmaltzy, 80s hits. I mean, it happens. Like, I don't really care and I don't begrudge her either way. I'm just saying, like, this, I think, is like just a prime example of just going towards a more commercial sounding yeah like it's someone who's yeah i think trying to sound like britney spears is apt given the time when this came out this is dreck um the opposite of uh this is the opposite of uh the success alanis would have had shifting gears. This is opposite of the effect that Pink would have had

when she shifted gears. This is like a D-shift. This is like, you know, she had, if Jewel would have just left it as is even and never even released another record, she might be more revered now. I think this took her down at least a notch by some people. But, you know, the good news for Jewel,

the good news for Jewel, the good news for Jewel though, is that this song was such a flop that most people don't even know it. And are I even are unaware of it's even in his existence. So maybe it didn't do as much long-term damage. What do you think, Mike? What's your opinion? Firstly,

I don't think you could name another, a more recent Jewel song. Like I feel like this didn't just like knock her down like this wiped her out like uh i the save your soul stuff and all that uh we had this uh like i don't know full folksy it just seemed really authentic and folksy and charming and that's what we wanted jewel to be like we put her in that box and said this is what you are and we like you this way so when jewel said no i'm no, I'm going to try to be this, I think we all just resoundingly rejected her.

I wonder if Taylor Swift fans feel the same way about Taylor. Well, the difference might be that there's so many more of them. Like it's just... Well, no, because Taylor Swift was like a hardcore country act and then she decided to shake it off. Yeah. Some people can take it off and some can't. Now imagine Jewel

actually worked with Max Martin instead of Shakira's producer or whatever that was and imagine if Jewel had worked with Max Martin, Britney Spears' collaborator

who, Taylor Swift's collaborator, imagine if she had a Max Martin hit. Would we be, would we be talking about her in the same way if this song became

an actual hit? Well, you know, if I, the, the Taylor Swift, whatever that is, that, that presence, that aura, same way if this song became an actual hit well you know uh if i the the um the taylor swift whatever that is that that presence that aura that that charisma whatever that is it's really unique almost like a unicorn in that like sort of like with adele for example adele could probably do anything and have a success with it uh there's just no there's not many taylor swifts out there

where she could actually you know pull off that kind of a transformation and you know be bigger than ever what were you gonna say cam well i i was just gonna say i mean this song did make it to number 20 on the billboard hot 200 so i mean you know in the abstract that's a hit i think i mean it has a catchy melody like you can it's a fine pop song we just i don't think we want to hear that from jewel like we think she's better than no and yeah and she had two other songs that eventually charted something called again and again they came out in 2006 i went to number 80 and then her last charting hit was from 2008 from an album called perfectly clear she has so many albums i've never even

heard any of this stuff uh that went to number 84 that was in 2008 so i mean that was 12 years ago so um yeah she took a big swing it was you know a hit at the time but it was kind of all downhill uh but then there was another hit from this album stand both this song and the song Stand from that album, and the album's called 0304, both went to number one on the US dance charts in 2003. All I can think of right now, I just zoned out when you were just going on about Jules' career post, this song. And I was thinking of our buddy Larry Gowen

when he put out that song at 102.1 The Edge. The one that he ever played. That The Edge. The one that never played. That was quite a departure for Gowan. He went from Strange Animal to some Goo Goo Dolls kind of thing. Yeah, that could have been a bit. It's too bad that it never got any airplay on 102.1 though.

Not according to Alan Cross. You know who I'm very friendly with right now and also kicked out a jam on that great Cam Gordon episode with David Alter, the FOTM KOTJ Volume 12. By the way,. And also kicked out a jam on that great Cam Gordon episode with David Alter, the FOTM KOTJ volume 12. By the way, Stu, you owe me a jam. You're the only one I assume.

I'll get you one. I'll get you one. I'm just trying to find out where I grab them cakes. I love grab them cakes. Brother Bill. Do you guys remember Brother Bill? Yeah, sure.

Now, I don't know. I think he was around at that time because he would definitely confirm if they played any Gowan. He seems to know all the stuff they were playing there. But okay, we'll get to that later. I'm excited. Another good choice, the Jewel one. But here's another Stu jam, and I'm really excited to play this

because it ties in nicely with something we talked about off the top of today's episode. Kick it. Oh, yeah. Party time with the Addams Family! With a little help from DC, the Brain Supreme, and my man, Steve Bode, Tag Team! Addams Family!

Addams Family! Come on, come on! Addams Family! I mean, any street cred these guys may have built up with, there it is, is out the door once they do this. Yeah, I'm not, this is not sitting well with me. Fair enough, but to me, these guys completely sold out any credibility. Oh, sorry. This is your pick, Stu?

Yes. You know it. Oh, you like this song? You're a fan? No, it's not that, but like tag team. This is not an example of somebody selling out completely to say, to take their hit song and literally take money to put the name of a movie under the hook of their only

hit song? I guess so but like Tag Team was not, they were not like Yandik or like, doesn't matter doesn't matter, this is cashing a check this is the actual artist, this is like me get some, you know, imagine like the Beatles

Coca-Cola pays them and they're like, well, shake it on baby. Now drink a Coke. It's nothing like that. Adding in a product or some sort of consumerism into your already existing only hit. That's selling out. They didn't have any credibility to begin with. You have to have. Says you.

Says you. That's subjective. You have to have some kind of integrity to sell Says you. That's subjective. You have to have some kind of integrity to sell out. They had integrity. They had integrity. They had...

There it is. That's a hit. Leave it alone after that. You don't do another woomp, there it is. You come up with something else. You don't go and do... If the Addams Family

wants you to do a song, write a new song. You could sample the Addams Family song, which they did. Come up with something new. Don't just be woomp. They literally... It sounds like some white guy at a desk was like, Family song, which they did. Come up with something new. Don't just be, whoom. They literally, it sounds like some white guy at a desk was like, whoom, there it is.

Oh, let's pay these guys. Maybe we can get them to say, whoom, the Addams Family. There it is. They ripped this song off of 95 South to begin with. You're right. My daughter and I saw them perform this live at halftime of a Raptors game. It is their only song. They didn't have any integrity to lose,

so how do you send that? I disagree with that part, but listen. Cam, you agree with me, right? Adam's Family, Wump, There It Is, which is this song, won the 1994 Razzie Award for Worst Original Song. I would say they've been an

original song. However, the song that Mike is speaking, so saying that they have no credibility on, the original song currently sits at number 58 on Billboard's greatest songs of all time chart. So if that's not credibility, I don't know what is. Why are you confusing commercial success with critical acclaim? I'm just saying these guys were megastars off the heels of their song,

and instead of capitalizing on their newfound fame by creating new stuff, they sold out. Michael Bay can shit out another Transformers movie and make a couple of hundred billion dollars, and that doesn't make it a good movie. No, I think this is a terrible song, and Wump D, is a great song. That's where we're, we're in a disagreement. I'm talking to a guy that thinks the 95 South version is the better whoop. There is. So you don't really have a horse in this race. There it is, is a, is a song that I personally, if I was to kick out the jams of my 10 favorite

songs of the nineties, it would be on there. I think they have credibility that you guys don't give them. And I think that this is the ultimate sellout move to take the name of a product or a movie and remix your only song that you have and trying to make more money off of it. That's a sellout move. I don't know. Like this is, don't,

okay. Here's a sort of another example of a band artist selling a song, the parachute club who were talking a little bit off camera rise up rise up yeah mccain rising crust pizza do you remember this of course i do of course i do now that that song is sort of you know about acceptiveness and different cultures and rise up you know rise up from the streets you know where these downtown kensington kids and now you're selling fucking frozen pizza but that's different that's someone licensing their song if parachute club would have recorded another

version of the song where they said mccain's pizza that would be a different that would be what tag team just did you know that's my point you know michael jack give another example michael jackson michael jackson michael jackson he literally rewrote the lyrics. Okay, there you go. That's an example of a sellout move. That's a sellout move too. Pepsi. Again, tall, cool one. No, but he didn't change the words, did he?

Michael Jackson changed the words. That is a great example. Michael Jackson changed the words. Billy Jean. Yeah, Billy Jean. Pepsi is a choice of the new generation. Right. Right, right, right. So that is a choice of the new generation. Right. Right, right, right.

So that is an example. Tag Team and Michael Jackson. Two bands, two acts with lots of credibility. That sold out. Yeah, they have the same number of hits, too. Pretty similar. Good comparisons. Oh, I like it because it inspires me.

Is there another hit song you can think of? Anybody that, other than that? Michael Jackson was a great example. Thank you. But where somebody had a massive hit and sold it out to change and even sang a new version with a product in it.

Okay. Not quite the same thing, but Terry Cashman. Do you know Terry Cashman? He had a wonderful song called, what did he call it? He called it not Talkin' Baseball. No, Willie, Mickey and the Duke. That was the name of the song. called it not Talkin' Baseball, no, Willie, Mickey, and the Duke. That was the name of the song.

People called it Talkin' Baseball. I think that was in parentheses. And he did re-record it for every freaking team. So that's something. There's a Blue Jays version in my hand right now. Exhibit A. Do you remember the song Deja Vu by Lord Tariq and Peter Guns?

I feel like they had that uh new york uh crazy game it was a sample of uh of uh a steely den song you don't know what i'm talking about like i know that steely dance like they had like a hit song and then they would about new york and then they would record it like regional versions like oh or they changed the version to like you you know, Atlanta, Atlanta, or Chicago. They changed it from New York so each radio station would have it with their town in it. But that's different than this.

This is selling out on a whole other level. This is taking your pride and joy, your only masterpiece, and selling it out for the Addams Family soundtrack. Yeah. The debate we're having is this term masterpiece, uh, applying that to the,

I feel this song is by, was created to be a pop hit. It had no integrity to begin with. It's not like you suddenly heard public enemy recording a song for the Adams family. To me now you're like, that's a sellout. Oh my God.

Yeah. Okay. So, so, so when tag team releases initially before it became a pop hit, this, it was a strip club anthem in Atlanta, Georgia, that blew up because they had street cred and credibility. And that is what I'm trying to explain to you.

Whoop there it is was not designed in a, in a boardroom. It was a song that was recorded in Atlanta and released in strip clubs. And then it blew up. You guys don't give it the credit that it deserves. The song. Which version? The version I'm speaking of, Tag Team. Okay, because 95 Self's released theirs first.

There's no chance. I'm sure they did. There's no chance Tag Team. That's a whole other conversation. That's a whole other conversation. There's no chance Tag Team didn't hear it before they recorded their version. Well, according to tag team, they did. And I highly doubt that you would say to DC, the brain Supreme and Steve

Rowland to their face. I would put him here on a Toronto mic episode. We'd have some real talk and I would confront him. Oh, well, I actually think that you, you would, you would really, you'd get to, you'd probably be in a cast again. Okay. I'm worried about my next pick. I think it's highly controversial and I'm worried Stu's going to be mean to me.

Can we kick it out now? Are we ready? Have we had any more say? Yeah. Now I have so much rage towards you because of your tag team. I wrestled with this one. Joey Batts over here. I feel like we're about to have the exact same debate.

Yeah, I feel like these guys cashed in their chips a while ago, too. This is the U2. This is actually a lot like the U2 choice, probably. Like, I was thinking about their discography and where I fell off because I was a massive fan of the first two. I liked the Blue album

and I really liked Pinkerton. I thought it was even better. Who's the band and what's the song? This is Weezer and the song is Dope Nose. And in my opinion, this is the moment when they completely jump the shark and sell out and try to become something they weren't before. I'm welcome to the debate.

I think it's very subjective. I would argue that Pork and Beans is probably the track that would be a better choice for this. I thought about Pork and Beans originally, and then I changed it to Dope Notes. It sort of had a Sugar Ray vibe to it. But I really liked Pork and Beans. I know you're allowed to like, I guess, the Sellout song, so that is true. I don't think this song reached enough popularity to be considered the moment they sold out. Maybe I'm wrong.

I just don't remember this being a huge smash. I also don't think it's a huge departure from any of their stuff. I gladly debate anyone at any time. I know especially Pinkerton was supposedly a big influence on the whole emo thing, and bands with Sighted, with the get-up kids and artists like this. I don't think I've ever heard a Weezer song that sound fundamentally different from any other Weezer song and they're totally

fine maybe I in defense of Weezer I would argue that Weezer was always it was never pretending that they weren't a power pop act I mean it was a Rick Ocasek cars power pop power chords major chords I mean that's what it was and i don't think they i think that you would be hard pressed to find a band there's probably a few and they're the greats but that have a catalog that extends to so many albums where all the music's great usually every band falls off the same there's only so much genius somebody can have but i will say the blue album the first weezer album is in my one my top albums ever. Especially in the 90s. Start to finish, you can put that album in

and leave it in. It's 32 minutes long. It's amazing. Al from Happy Days has a cameo in the Buddy Holly video. Who do you think, who the fuck do you think Al bought that, what was the Happy Days restaurant called? Do you remember the name of it? Who do you think he bought that from in the show Happy Days? It? Do you remember the name of it? Who do you think he bought

that from in the show Happy Days? It was Mr. Miyagi, was it? It was Pat Morita, Miyagi. Ah, right. So it's all about the Karate Kid here on this Pandemic Friday episode. Okay, back to Weezer. I think Weezer was put together

to be a sellout thing. You just kicked out tag team. There's sort of a reverse credibility here. But you just kicked out tag team. There's sort of a reverse credibility here thing. But you just kicked out tag team, Stu. Like you can't in one breath talk about how tag team sold out when they started talking about the Adams family. Tag team were literally put together

to put out some poppy. No, you're wrong. You're wrong about that. You're wrong. Your origin of the tag team's telling you are so wrong about it. Why? Because it was a strip club in atlanta no because it wasn't or the the swoop there is was not planned out in a in a boardroom these guys sampled a song by kano the breakdancing like okay okay in

defense of stew and i can't believe i'm doing this you know if that song whoop there it is whoop there whatever the fuck we're talking about, either version, rising up from the strip clubs of Atlanta, culturally, one could argue, like, is this really any different than, like, Lydia Lunch, or, like, Sonic Youth rising up from the, you know, the

annals of underground New York, and yeah, like, it's, one could argue. I don't know, and I'm not saying I agree or disagree. And the thing about Weezer, I think there's, like it's... Same shit. One could argue. I don't know. I'm not saying I agree or disagree. And the thing about Weezer, I think there's like a reverse credibility thing that happened with Weezer that they were put together to be a power pop back. Rick Kocasek auditioned guys

and literally put together Weezer and they ended up gaining credibility because the album was so fucking good. Right. So I think it was like they were supposed to be new Maroon 5 and they ended up being old Maroon 5. So they returned to what they were supposed to be all along. Well, again, they sort of got embraced by the emo and the screamo crowd.

And they showed up on the Warped Tour one year. They were great. They were really – and also live. They were fantastic. Oh, I've seen them several times. I should point out – I saw them once in LA at a club show where they went on tour as Goat Punishment. And it was like a secret tour where if you knew it you went and it was like a full

i should preface this by saying i'm kicking out this weezer song because i was such a big weezer fan and just like discotheque was a moment where i'm like okay they're not what they were and they're not for me anymore this dope nose was aose was a similar song for me with Weezer. So that's very, as we said off the top, I think Cam said it so eloquently, of all of our Pandemic Friday jam kickings, this is the most subjective one. Yeah.

Well, I was just going to say real quick, Cam, that as I said, Weezer's been going for 20 years now. So it's like even Radiohead, who's considered to be like the fucking genius songwriters of the world even if you respect their music at some point you probably stop paying attention as much it's like that's what happens and I think Weezer's now they're doing Africa covers and you know they've taken it to a whole other level I was gonna say like Weezer like in the last 10 years has played at Casinorama they played the opening

of a Microsoft store in Brampton and a few years later they're playing Coachella with Toto because they did this like but it all starts with dope nose is staggering for their credit and like good for them I don't know

okay well uh good for them I don't know okay well remember the tiny aliens I told you about you heard of the dream team well we're the mean team we're the monsters grating earthlings we have now see I'm not sure this it sits well with me, Cam. Oh, alright.

Let's mix it up. If I hit him high, hit him high, hit him high And you hit him low, hit him low, hit him low Going straight to the hole You ain't got no game I'm breaking you out the frame Coming through like a train Not gonna take over the whole world

This my goal with my unstarved This doesn't sit well at all with me. Okay. Let me talk over this. So this is the Monstars. Rap Supergroup. Hit them high from the Space Jam soundtrack. Came out in 1997.

So I'm going to park a couple of the Monstars to the side. I'd say Coolio. I'd put it in the category of kind of a tag team. You know, just the underground cred, LL Cool J. I mean, it's always been fairly popular. I think it's mainly Method Man being in here

from the fucking Wu-Tang Clan to doing like a soundtrack thing like with cartoons, playing basketball. You got Newman from Seinfeld running around and MJ and... Uh, uh, uh, let me stop you right there. What was that last one you said? Method Man.

No, no, no, after Method Man. Newman from Seinfeld. And between that? Uh, LL Cool J. MJ. MJ. You're telling me Method Man jumping at a chance to be in a project with Michael Jordan Is not a move that anybody would have made

Michael Jackson did it I don't begrudge anybody for any of this shit Jewel can do what Jewel wants Method Man can do Yeah of course I would too if I were him I'm just saying From the Staten Island Wu-Tang Clan From the streets do yeah of course i would too if i were in i'm just saying it's you know from the staten island

wu-tang clan you know from the streets and all that thugging and bugging to like the space jam centaur with fucking bugs bunny like jumping i get but at least but he's still it's not a big departure from you know i'm saying like be real sounds like a Be Real verse. Method Man sounds like a Be, they didn't really alter their delivery here. I'm just saying, like, they did a theme song to a kids movie. Yeah. Oh, don't forget, guys.

I don't fuck around with that. Don't forget Buzz. Like, fucking Be Real, all the talk about, like, hits from the bong and stuff. Right, right, right. You know, it's like funny. When the shit goes down you better be ready it's more indicative

of also you know like I said corporate America having no imagination and hey let's rap is hot

let's let's put together a rap with the Monstars the video directed by Hype Williams don't forget of course

Busta Rhymes is on this jam too don't forget Busta but LL if I go by one by one you're, if I go one by one, you're right. If I go one by one, you're right. Coolio was always kind of a cartoony. He rips off, you know, he does a Stevie Wonder cover. I guess we'd call it a sample.

But, right, don't tell Taggart. We're discussing that. Well, before that, you know, Coolio's, there's sort of a tag team sort of comparison that Cam made. But, obviously, Coolio went far above and beyond. He won Grammy Awards, Oscar. I think he had an Oscar nomination. Wait, Kool-Aid?

Yeah, I think Gangster's Paradise was nominated for an Oscar for best song. Okay, okay, okay. I got you. I think that, you know, Gangster's Paradise was a huge thing for him. But that might have been Kool-Aid's sellout move was Gangster's Paradise because Fantastic Voyage was more in response response very similar to the tag team story but the popularity of snoop and warren g he went and sampled a george clinton thing and snoop was upset about it thought he was copying his sound similar to 95 south right fantastic voyage becomes a huge hit that was an

organic hit the rest of his stuff i don't know know. And I've actually known Coolio for quite some time. And I will tell you, you know, he would probably do just about anything for money. Well, you're both juggalos. Is that right, Stu? I mean, he's much more into it than I am. I mean, me and Cam are juggalos just from our WCW days. Okay, so I think we're really talking about Method Man. Because if I look at each of the guys, like Be Real

was all about... Maybe Cypress Hill too. Be Real probably. This is his first actually look. Could you argue Busta Rhymes who, you know, first... Probably most of us first knew because he did the stuff with Tribe called Quest. Do you think Ghetto Superstar is a sellout song? Yeah, I think.

Well, maybe. Quite possibly. Very interesting. Yeah, probably. But yeah, I think well maybe quite possibly like old dirty bastard yeah probably but yeah I think the Rugrats theme song remember that one it was like Maya like with rappers I just want to point out something about earlier

we talked about Michael Jackson changing the words for Pepsi I just want to say Destiny's Child have a whole verse devoted to Charlie's Angels. That's a great one. That's a great one. Yeah, because if you listen to that song, which still gets played all the time

because it was a big hit in Destiny's Child, you know, the Queen Bey there. Yeah, they talk about Charlie's Angels. I will say that this Monstars song is similar to the Neil Diamond kind of thing in the sense that like a briefcase of money shows up and they're going to do whatever so yeah it disqualifies under the

Neil Diamond rule wait hold on Cam are we saying well there's a new there's a new space jam coming up so there could be a new Monstars oh and if I could talk about artists that have fallen on have disgraceful reputations at this point,

there is a great video for Jam by Michael Jackson. Heavy D's in that with Michael Jordan, and that's a great video. And also, the biggest song to come off of the soundtrack of this movie we're talking about right now was R. Kelly, I believe

I Can Fly, or whatever it's called. Monstars. Cam, I just want to remember that during the next pandemic, like in five years when we're back doing this again, God forbid, when there's a new Monstars song with Tyler, the creator, Chance, the rapper, Travis Scott. But Chance has already sold out. Like A$AP Rocky.. Like A$AP Rocky.

Yeah, A$AP Rocky. Then let's hear what you have to say. Who's that DJ Khaled? Once you show up at a DJ Khaled collective and he's going to be yelling over you, DJ Khaled, you've already sold out, right? We've already got a Chance the Rapper appearance on one of those, right? With Bieber and stuff. The shiny suit rappers

as Lox used to refer to their time at Bad Boy Records. So by the rappers, as Lox used to refer to their time at Bad Boy Records. Now, here's the first... So, by the way, again, only I know everybody's jams. So, I know when Stu sent me his five jams, I'm like, okay, Stu, you have one of my jams and I chose a different jam. But this is the song that was also on my

list. So, two of us are kicking out the same sellout songs. But this is for Stu. Get in really close super cool From I'm just a girl to I ain't no hollerback girl. When's the funny? I wish I could drop this fucking mic right now. It's over. I could shut this down now. It's over.

I kind of hate this song. It's horrific. And when you consider What Tragic Kingdom Sounds like Like go listen to Some Sunday Morning And some Spiderwebs And stuff

And that great Ska Ska with a little hip hop But rock and Ska Kind of Listen Here's an example Of if Jewel had tried it And it worked

This is what it would be Oh yeah It worked It worked Maxim Magazine Calls this song Quote The most annoying song ever On their list of most annoying songs chart.

It was the top of Billboard Hot 100 for four weeks, and it was the number two song of that year, written by Pharrell and Chad, the Neptunes, of course, the team that brought you such hits as All I Want to Do is Zoom, a Zoom, Zoom, Zoom, and a Boom, Boom. Ironically, there is a tie-in to Cam Gordon here on this song. Do you want to know what that is? Of course.

The whole inspiration behind this song, the reason they say that Donald Trump ran for president because Barack Obama roasted him at that press dinner. I don't know if you guys are familiar. Of course, of course. That's what I'm talking about. But Gwen Stefani wrote this song because Courtney Love roasted her, saying the Courtney Love quote was,

Being famous is just like being in high school, but I'm not interested in being the cheerleader. I'm not interested in being Gwen Stefani. She's the cheerleader, and I not interested in being Gwen Stefani. She's the cheerleader and I'm out in the smoker's shed. This was, you know, Stefani's answer to that song. And she actually even dresses a cheerleader in the video. And Stefani had a quote saying, you know, one time someone called me a cheerleader negatively and I've never been a cheerleader. So I was like, OK, fuck you. You want me to be a cheerleader? Well, I will be one then. And I'll rule the world. Just watch me.

Wow. She was right. Gwen Stefani hated Courtney Love. This was her response to Courtney Love, her diss track, so to speak. And boy, what a departure. And I mean, you could argue that Eve song before this, but you know, she's actually saying, I ain't no hollaback girl. Clearly lyrics that she did not write. She's from Orange County, right? This is the OC, bitch. I can't imagine her ever saying the words, ain't no hollaback girl.

I think this song, like, sucks. Yeah. I don't really have a lot. It's like if you went in a room and you said, right, like the worst, cheesiest, uh, mock pop diddy that you could like go in a room and do that.

You'd come back with this song. I think, I think she got a lot of flack for like kind of cultural appropriation and stuff with this song and a lot of the visuals in the video that went with this too, that she's, it seems like she's run into that issue a few times with a few of her solo tracks.

But then, you know, every few years we'll dust off No Doubt and they'll go on a tour as well. When is No Doubt toured? When's the last time they toured? Like, they, like I'd say within like last five,

six years. I didn't know that. I thought that they broke up. Yeah. I think they, they get to get back together like sporadically, six years. I didn't know that. I thought that they broke up. Yeah, I think they get back together sporadically, I believe. I think her brother wrote for the Simpsons. I think, anyway, before they broke big,

I think he was in the band, and then I think he left the band to write for the Simpsons, I think, and then the band broke with Tragic Kingdom. This is just, I don't know, somewhere in the back of my head. But Gwen Stefani, who I thought was fantastic in No is just, I don't know, somewhere in the back of my head. But Gwen Stefani, who I thought was fantastic

and no doubt, I think this iteration, which made her a lot more money, I would say, even though she probably did well, no doubt, but made her a lot more money and made her very famous, where today you can still see her judging these big reality shows, right? And she's got like a, she was with the guy from Bush, right?

And now she's with that country singer. First of all, guy from Bush, his name is Gavin Ros's with that country singer. First of all, a guy from Bush, his name is Gavin Rosdale. So let's not pretend that. I like Bush and I had 16 stone. Bush X, you're talking about Bush X, right? Yeah, well, for a while. I actually bought it when it was Bush

and then they recalled, I guess they started printing it as Bush X because the situation arose. And then I thought it was pretty cool. I had it as Bush, like this is special. But then they solved the problem and started issuing it as Bush cool. I had it as Bush. Like, this is special. But then they solved the problem and started issuing it as Bush and I realized now my Bush

is not as rare as the Bush X. Can I say, I just need that clip, by the way, of Trump saying how much he likes Bush. Yeah, Ian needs to save that for the soundboard. Just to close on Gwen Stefani for a second here.

Yeah. I also think that Gwen Stef stefani like i said this is really the opposite of the jewel thing this is as if jewel tried something and it worked right that's what happened here with gwen it actually worked for her in a major works for some people and it doesn't for others well i just think that gwen had the neptunes producing her song and not like the ashley simpson thing and the neptunes were the biggest producers at the time. Biggest hits were coming from Pharrell. So this is no exception.

Justin Timberlake, a lot of big artists of the time were leaning on Pharrell's coolness to get them onto the charts. And this is no exception. Like Weezer's Pork and Beans. I want to say that Gwen Stefani is a late bloomer, though, as well, because not only is this song culturally inappropriate, one might argue that it's she's like already in her 30s at this point running around uh in this video late 30s might i add uh it's just the whole thing just seemed a little bit

manufactured it just seemed it all seemed very contrived yeah guys i i just checked the last time no doubt played shows together was 2015. Wow, I didn't know that. I can't believe 2015 is five years ago. This is like the Rock in Rio festival and some kind of big ticket festival type appearances. And it's just like Gwen and the bass player.

That's her ex, right? Okay. Alright, guys. Do they do Hollaback Girl at a No Doubt show? Do they perform? I bet they do. I bet they do. Like just a medley of her solo hits.

Like the band goes off and she's left out alone, but instead of pulling out the acoustic, she pulls out. All the girls go down like this. Are you going to get... By the way, because we both had it, Stu, obviously I'm on board with you. But Cam, do you think that's a good choice? I think it's a smart one. I think it's a smart one.

I think it's the number one choice. You can't get more choicier than that. Okay. I sign off on it. Here's one that I, again, I've been very subjective of my picks. And here's another band I loved. And here's a song that killed them for me. Let's do it.

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that made Offspring popular. It's not like they changed anything other than Pretty Fly for a White Guy. The same chord progressions in the style and the singing, the same that made Offspring popular. It's not like they changed anything other than Pretty Fly for a White Guy. It's very poppy. Because it's the same chord, the same chord progressions and the style and the singing, the same shit. No.

Okay, I disagree. Okay, so I liked this band a whole lot until this song. We saw them at the Varsity. Did you go to that show, Mike, when they played at the Varsity? No. But I did take a couple of final exams

in the Varsity. Back in my U of T days. Okay. So this is a pretty fly for a white guy, which I hated the video. I hated the song. I hate listening to it right now in my headphones. It is to me an awful,

it sort of reminds me of Hollaback Girl. Like, I think it's good to follow that. Like it's to me, it's similar. I think it's complete departure. If I it's to me it's similar i think i mean i i if i may i would say that a better choice not that this is a bad choice because i do agree with you here but a better choice would have been that song uh uh why don't you get a job

because that was a complete because that song was a complete departure from their sound this came first right am i right i think yeah i think so but like sort of that give it to me baby like yeah right what is that like punk rock right like black flag had like people give it to me baby like when tv party and like shit but this is so bad that like i don't think we'd even accept this from like you said a power pop band like Weezer like it is so schmaltzy and corny and awful like and it's so it's just so terrible it sounds like just a song

written for a commercial like it just sounds like sort of a marketing agency right that's why this is a great selection for the sellout song not like the song that you call the poor selection by me tag team which was literally written by a marketing agency. Whoopty Adams family, there it is.

But that's okay. I'll let you use it for a song like this. That's fine. I think you have to have something. I think the Offspring had some cred. I think that Smash... This is the same four chords that they used for all of their other hits. The sound is radically different

from Smash. Have you heard Smash? Have you heard fucking, what's the, Bad Habit? You gotta keep them separated. Have you heard Bad Habit lately? Like, go listen to the album with Bad Habit. Go listen to Bad Habit right now. I don't want to.

I'm familiar with it. I had the cassette, the offspring. I had the CD. I was a fan. And I did not like this song. I did not buy this album. I did not. But I think with this song,

it's the whole presentation. It's the video. Yeah. It's the backup singers. It's the like, just the lyrics are so fucking stupid. Yeah.

And people liked it. That's part of what I got pissed off at. I hate it. Like, at least with Jewel, the masses rejected it for some reason.

Poor Jewel, actually, looking back in hindsight. But with the Gwen Stefani Hollaback Girl and the Offspring Pretty Fly for a White Guy, people bought it. It's like

electing Donald Trump your president. He's serving you up a steaming pile of shit and you want to eat it. You whip out your spoon and you start feeding yourself. It's like, what's that about? It's basically like eating. It's also kids. This is very kid-friendly, family-friendly.

Like, I remember, like, little kids being like, ah-ha, ah-ha, thinking it was, like, so fun. Right. A month down Fairview Mall, little kids. Can I give a very short offspring anecdote? And Stu might remember this. Our mutual friend Ryan, when Come Out and Play was out, he actually called into a community access really cheap talk show about youth violence in Thornhill. Yeah, it was something like Chalk Talk.

And I don't know if you remember this, Stu, Ryan said, yeah, I'm a concerned parent. And, you know, it's sort of the message of a lot of these songs you hear on the radio. There's even one that's a lot of the kids, including my children, listen to where it's suggesting you've got to keep the kids separated. Which is a great COVID-19 anthem. Yeah. By the way, that's your... It really is. Why the hell did they not think of that?

I always like the lyrics to Self-Esteem, though. I may be dumb, but I'm not a dweeb. I'm just a sucker with low self-esteem. All right. I always like the lyrics to Self-Esteem, though. I may be dumb, but I'm not a dweeb. I'm just a sucker with low self-esteem. All right. I loved that album, but Pretty Fly for a White Guy is not fly at all, ironically enough. And here, let's close out Cam's Jams, because I know that he's got a hard stop.

So this is another, just like in the vein of Jewel and Hole, here's another great selection by Cam Gordon. Oh, I meant to edit this part out, I think. Okay. Is this Liz Phair? Oh, God.

Speaking of Ashley Simpson. No, this makes Ashley Simpson seem punk. What happened to Liz Phair? Okay, talk to us, Cam. This is Liz Phair, a 2003 single called Why Can't I? God, where do you... This, to me, feels like another bullseye for what we're talking about today. Some of the same arguments that we've applied to other artists would apply here. Liz Phair, certainly for any of us who got into

sort of, I guess, underground or like indie rock music in the 90s as we all did was like a real cornerstone artist, especially her album Exile and Guyville and some of the fucking run and tracks like that that were very edgy. And she was kind of, you know, also like a big crush

for like, you know, a lot of young boys growing up. She sort of had that like Alicia Silverstone meets Sheryl Crow, but like punk. Yeah, but like a bit of like Kim Gordon and like just, yeah. In relation to Cam Gordon, by the way. Yeah.

He wishes. I think she said it. I think she said it, you know. I'd say had a ton of credibility. I mean, this song came out right around the time of that Ashley Simpson, Avril Lavigne era. Well, this song was created with a production team called The Matrix who worked on a lot of the Avril Lavigne stuff. And yeah, most people just said this is Avril Lavigne complicated. I think this is the same song, pretty much.

It was on the soundtrack for the movie 13 going on 30 which is probably accurate for how old she may have been she was 36 I just checked so similar to Gwen Stefani's applies here as well it's possible that

Avril Lavigne and Ashley Simpson types of pop sort of faux rock type of acts like that looked up to Liz Phair. And then people were like, oh, well, let's bring Liz Phair into this equation. I have to go to get my door. Someone's knocking at my door. This is so weird. Okay.

Stu will be back. And it's interesting. We talk about these late bloomers in their late 30s because that's going to be something, a little tale I'll tell before I kick out my final jam. We'll be kind of, kind of tied to that, but this is a good choice, Cam. I think you nailed it.

Like, I think you did quite well. We can debate the whole Monstars. Like there could be a debate about that one. And I would say the cure, I'm not sure about that one because it doesn't seem that radical a difference. And it, from the previous stuff that we heard,

but I would say your would say this whole jam, this Jewel jam and this Liz Phair jam are perfect examples. Well, it seems like all these artists, a lot that we talked about, they'll sort of do these big commercial moments and then they'll try to go back to their former selves. So like Liz Phair, I know,

did 20th anniversary tour for Exile and Guy Bill and would play the album in its entirety and sort of went back. She did a revisit of a girly sound that was like her first indie cassette and stuff. So, you know, tried to lapse almost back into the underground still tours is still around, still seems to have fans,

but I think every U2 album since pop has been their attempt to make amends for Pop. It feels like they're always trying to make up for it. Yeah. Well, I feel like when the last... And I love REM and even pretty much all of it. I really enjoy it. But it seemed like REM from pretty much, I'd say, automatic to the people to when they broke up. Every single album that came out with the exception of maybe Monster

like Rolling Stone would have inevitably have the article this is the best REM album in about 10 years. Like that would always be the headline. It didn't matter what it was. There's that album Around the Sun and Reveal and all these other late period REM albums.

I feel like you see that with a lot of Neil Young albums too. Sure. Well, but he almost doesn't qualify because he seems to go out of his way to reinvent himself. Or to be obtuse at times. Right. Like retail and stuff.

Right. Or he'll do a disco album. He's just all, yeah. Okay. Do you know who the number one late bloomer will be or should I save it for when we make that a category?

Save it. Save it because I'm actually, well, it's after we kick out your jams here, Stu, I'm going to make a point

about late bloomers if you will and it's going to tie in nicely with my final jam but let's kick out your final jam. Aruba, Jamaica, ooh, I want to take you Jam. Okay. I got to bring it down, Stu.

I'm sorry. There's a place called Kokomo. Come on. From the cocktail soundtrack, right? Yeah, I have some factoids, if you'd like them. Hit me. This song is called Kokomo. It is from the soundtrack of Cocktail. I'm not going to give you the fun fact because there's a fun fact coming shortly that's going to blow your mind, people.

But before we get to that mind-blowing, Stu's mind-blowing mind blow of the week, Kokomo, you know, listen. At this stage in the game, the Beach Boys are probably lucky that they're even getting a cup of coffee on the chart. So good for them for being able to manufacture this hit and become culturally relevant all over again. Their Beach Boys and name only, there's only one guy left, right? Well, I think John Stamos is playing drums at this point. But it's Mike Love, right?

So Mike Love. Go ahead, Cam. Yeah, it is primarily like Mike Love and friends and maybe like was Don Jardine or whatever that guy's name is? Al? Is that a wrestler? Al Jardine? Al Jardine.

Okay. Bottom line is if you take the original Glory Days Beach Boys from the, you know, the Pet Sounds Beach Boys, I think only Mike Love remains in this iteration. That sounds about right. Yeah, well, it's like when Billy Corgan was going just, or Axl Rose maybe was just by himself doing Guns N' Roses. Is that a better example? Yeah, that would work. Or how about the fact that Chicago goes on tour without any singer?

They have like a sort of a rotation of singers. They have the brass section. So tell us why though. Basically, are you saying that the same band that made Pet Sounds puts this out? Yeah, I mean, come on.

This is, you know, listen, it's a toss up for me here. I had a lot of songs that I could have considered. This came in at number one for me because of a mind-blowing fact that took place. I just wanted to see what I wrote down here,

because there were some honorable mentions. Oh, yeah. I mean, it was between this for me. I just called to say I love you, Stevie Wonder. May have qualified here. Foreigner, I've been waiting for a girl like you. The Jewel song was on my list. But ultimately, Kokomo, this is the opposite of any Beach Boys song you've ever heard.

It sort of had like the modern production. And yeah, this is a sellout song. This is by far a sellout song in my opinion. Cam, do you disagree? Yeah, I think I'm good with this. I mean, Beach Boys are kind of a funny band because, I mean, they're a bit like Weezer where they were never not massive. Both are sort of surf rock, by the way. Both considered surf rock.

Yeah, but like, you know, I think certainly had a lot of respect in general for certain periods. They just went through so many iterations. Like this song, this song is just like pure cheese. Like Brian Wilson was probably throwing up when he heard this. Yeah, he probably was. Yeah, no, I'm good with this pick. I think it fits totally. I mean, it's...

It's kind of like an attempt to get back, even having like Stamos on bongos. Are you ready to have your mind blown, Ian? Are you ready to have your mind blown, Famke? This is something that I've been sort of tying into an episode from previous weeks, and I keep just unearthing these mind-blowing facts, but did you know? You know what? I'm not going to say no. Mike, go ahead and hit play. Wow. Wow. Kokomo is a cover song.

Mind alone. Who sings this original version? You know, the mamas and the papas actually wrote and recorded this song. This is a cover song. The song was written by John Phillips and Scott McKenzie, Kokomo was. And it was a Mamas and Papas recording that turned into a Beach Boys modern production.

I knew this was a cover. I didn't realize it was by them. Wow. Mamas and realize it was by them. Wow. Mamas and Papas come up often. I would be worried if I were Michelle Phillips right now. You're right. Wow. Okay.

Wow. I want to get to the hook. I want to hear how they say Aruba, Jamaica, like their swing. It's coming, my friends. It's coming. Let's prank that. What did this come out of? Did they not say Aruba, Jamaica?

Not yet. Maybe that was the Mike Love contribution. Yeah. Or maybe John Stamos said, hey, you should shout out some tropical locale. This wasn't even in their song. This didn't make the new cut, this part. So this is actually like a duet with Denny Doherty,

Mama's Apostle. So would this be a canned con? Because he was, of course, born in Halifax, Nova Scotia. Yeah. Right. Is he connected at all to the... I'm going to make another mistake. To Love and Spoonfuls?

Or who's that guy? Who's that guy? No, that was Zav Zabrowski or something. Yes. Yes, it's like... He's from Kingston, I think. Yeah, he lives somewhere in... Well, he's passed away now, but yeah.

Yeah, Zalianovsky. Okay. All right. Glad we could nip that one in the bud there. Well, he's passed away now. Yeah, Zalianovsky. Okay. All right. Glad we could nip that one in the bud there. Okay. Now, Stu, with your permission, because as bad as the Beach Boys version is, I might prefer it to this one.

Well, I'll tell you what. The Cocktail soundtrack, one of the most iconic soundtracks ever for those of us that were aware of it in its time. The soundtrack, here's an example of a soundtrack being much better than a movie. Right, I don't even remember the movie, but I remember the soundtrack.

Spawned such hits as Kokomo, spawned such hits as the Hippie Hippie Shake, and of course the number one worldwide smash, Don't Worry, Be Happy by Bobby McFerrin, which propelled the cock, between Kokomo and Don't worry, be happy. You can't get two bigger hits than that. And they're both on the same soundtrack.

That cocktail soundtrack was a fucking juggernaut. You're right. And that don't worry, be happy shouted out by Chuck D of course, in a fight, the power, don't worry, be happy.

It was the number one jam. Yeah. Yeah. And I think that is another, it could bring, comes back to a moderate shots. His wife, uh, I believe, uh believe Bobby McFerrin

did do the Cosby Show theme song. That's an example of the Addams Family like thing, isn't it? Oh, no. No, it's a different song.

Bobby McFerrin was already sort of had his Don't Worry Be Happy is probably his sellout song. Yeah. Right. Right. And it, yeah, and it's probably his sellout song yeah right right and it yeah and it probably his accountant probably thanks him every day for uh for that sellout okay i'm gonna play

my final jam and i'm just gonna preface it by one of the fun facts that comes up a lot in these toronto mic'd episodes is that share with the song believe was the oldest woman to have a number one billboard hit? Okay. Now, think about this while I play this jam, but it'll be interesting for you to remember that she had to break somebody's record. Like, what woman was the oldest woman to sing a number one hit before the 52, I want to say, 52-year-old Cher sings Believe? So, let's kick out my final jam.

Yep. Yep. Yep. It needs a moment to breathe. Guys, let's do a string tap right now. Okay. Oh, this is Jeff. I mean, this song, this is one of those things that, like, this song gets better with age. Like, I actually appreciate this song now and think it's good. I got to be honest.

I actually like it now and find myself appreciating the song. But definitely kicked off a string of sellout hits for these guys, including Sarah, Sarah, Stones, Blow In Your Eyes, the Mannequin song, if we build this together from Mannequin. Wait, wait, you remind us, what's the Mannequin song again? That was a massive hit. And if you leave this world together,

we'll still have each other. Okay, guys, three, two, one, okay? Okay, good. We got our screenshot for promotional efforts. Now, okay, so just a little background of people who don't know, and if you're listening to the show and you don't know, what's wrong with you? Okay, this is by

Starship. Starship, that name Starship is because Jefferson Airplane became, Jefferson Airplane, which has got a lot of cred, big time band. If you watch any Vietnam movie, you're going to hear some Jefferson White Rabbit or something. So you got became jefferson airplane which is got a lot of cred big time band if you watch any vietnam movie you're gonna hear some jefferson white rabbit or something so you got jefferson airplane became jefferson starship and then it became just starship they got they left jefferson an airplane out of

the name because of some legal troubles of the band split up so this is mickey thomas and grace slick grace slick by the way had the record for the oldest woman to be singing a number one Billboard song prior to Cher. This is the record. I believe this is the song, I believe, that Cher beat the record of with Believe. Okay. I'm surprised Bette Midler doesn't get on that list with her winning hero or one of her monster ballads. Check the receipts over there. I think I got this right.

But I also want to shout out Mark Weisblot and the fantastic monthly recaps he does on Toronto Mic because we've had a great debate. Not debate. He erroneously stated Grace Slick was the one who sings 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10. No, it's the Pointer Sisters. Bonnie Pointer.

7, 8, 9, 10. No, it's the Pointer Sisters. Bonnie Pointer. But Grace Slick did sing the original kind of jam from Sesame Street, which counts and is not nearly as memorable. But okay. So I think this is a complete sellout departure for the band that essentially was Jefferson Airplane. Or, hear me out, again, you know, the record companies,

this song would have fit nicely in last week's topic. 70 stars with 80 hits. The A&R gives them a call. Hey, you guys got anything? And here's what they had. I mean, this, yeah. I mean, this song was really panned when it came out. But again, like at least I listened to it

and it's still, it's sort of pleasant now. And I smile when I hear it. I feel like all the old like hippie burnout types came out but again like at least i listened to it and it's still it's sort of pleasant now and i smile when i hear it and i feel like all the old like hippie burnout types were especially offended it's your point mike uh yeah of course an airplane such a central band in the counterculture back in the 60s and now they're just peddling this and correct me if i'm wrong, which happens often. Isn't this the final song that they play on 680 CFTR before it flips to all news in 1993? Interesting. You know, it's

also funny that they're talking about they built this city on rock and roll, and then this is not really rock and roll, is it? Is that a rock and roll song? It's your guitar solo. It's your 80s rock, like Def Leppard. Is that rock and roll when they do like Love Bites or something?

Could you make an argument that like this same era when this song was hit, like Hall & Oates, Out of Touch, other bands were going with this sort of pop, synth pop sort of sound. Is it arguable to agree that there was a lot of guilty parties here that you could throw Starship in. Obviously, this takes the cake. But, like, You're Out of Touch, You're Out of Time, Hall & Oates, great song, one of my favorites.

But, you know, doesn't that sort of fall into this category of this sort of synth pop? I think this just goes in with all those bands you mentioned maybe 10 minutes ago, like Foreigner and sort of, you know, the mid-period REO Speedwagon stuff and all that crap. Van Halen right now? Yeah. I mean, sort of, yeah, kind of.

Yeah. Def Leppard's Love Bites. I don't know. There's lots of interesting examples like that. I love Love Bites. Hold on a minute. Don't you dare. Well, that's another topic.

Love Bites is a great song. Yeah, how dare you? That song is awesome. I know. I like it too. Hysteria, right? That was a great cassette. Who's picking the topic for next week? Cam.

Cam, okay, back to Cam. Cam, I look forward to that. I want to thank Leva Fumka for being a great fly in the wall. Thank you, Leva. I want to thank Ian Service for his efforts at RomePhone.ca and hosting this

audio. Thanks. And I want to say thank you so much to Stu Stone and Cam Gordon for giving me another memorable Pandemic Friday. You guys are getting me through this thing. Thanks, Ben. Likewise. It's always been a lot of fun and it's always fun reading the banter on the Toronto Mike blog and on Twitter afterwards.

Yeah, I'll definitely do a Twitter poll to this Woot Woot debate, see what the Twitter first think. Which is the better song? I don't think it's comparable. I'm willing to bet that it's going to be a landslide in favor of Tag Team being the better song. Landslide. I remember the Billy Corrigan cover. That would have been... Great, good cover.

There you go i have a question for stew oh shit she waited three hours let's go well i didn't want to interrupt this i always interrupt that's the way we do it but do you have an official fan club because i think we should get linda to be the president of your fan club. Ooh, like Cy Sperling type stuff here. You know, listen, I am not somebody that can make a decision on somebody that's going to start a fan club

for me. That would have to happen on her own. It'd be grassroots. Who am I to authorize? I'm here to say she can go ahead and start one. I know that I can count on Cam to sign up for that if it comes with a newsletter and a collectible pin. Oh, perfect.

I'll message Linda. You let her know. Let's see where Harvey... It's not necessarily going to be an authorized fan club, but I definitely would be flattered. We should give Linda the Zoom URL. I might reach out to her and see if she can. No, no, that costs money.

That's a paywall. Yeah, you can monetize that shit. That's a paywall. And that brings us to the end of our 641st show. You can follow me on Twitter. I'm at Toronto Mike. Stu is at Stu Stone. Cam is at Cam underscore Gordon. Our

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