Toronto Mike'd: The Official Toronto Mike Podcast - Ska: Toronto Mike'd #819

Episode Date: March 19, 2021

This 53rd Pandemic Friday, Mike kicks out ska jams with Brother Bill, Cam Gordon and Stu Stone. But first, they pay respects to a fallen comrade.

Just yesterday morning, they let me know you were gone Suzanne, the plans they made put an end to you And the plans they made put an end to you I walked out this morning And I wrote down this song I just can't remember who to send it to I've seen fire and I've seen rain I've seen sunny days that I thought would never end

I've seen lonely times when I could not find a friend But I always thought that I'd see you again Won't you look down upon me, Jesus? You gotta help me make a stand You just got to see me through another day My body's aching and my time is at hand.

I won't make it any other way. Oh, I've seen fire and I've seen rain. I've seen sunny days that I thought would never end. I've seen lonely times when i could not find a friend but i always thought that i'd see you again again been walking my mind to an easy time my back turned towards the sun I like to think of us as a community. Sometimes we get together in person at a TMLX, for example. Sometimes it's virtual, like last week's Pandemic Friday episode

with the open Zoom and other times it's via Twitter DM email or Patreon I'm sorry to report that we've lost a member of our

FOTM community Sheila Kniecewicz passed away lost a member of our FOTM community. Sheila Kniecewicz passed away. She was only 53 years old, passed away very suddenly last Thursday night. Sheila,

what do I say about Sheila? Sheila was a tremendous, tremendous supporter. She was at the very first TMLX. She only missed one of the six, actually. She was even at the TMLX 6 that we had last September in the park. She was always listening to Toronto Mike and Hebsey on sports and sharing her feedback. She was even heard on several pandemic Fridays. You might

remember this. Hi, Mike. As a longtime FOTM, I welcome the opportunity to tell you about Joanne Glutish, a sales representative at Royal LePage Real Estate Services. Joanne has built a long and successful career by helping people achieve their real estate goals. Her knowledge of the market, experience in negotiations, and her genuine interest in people's needs are what set her apart. She consistently ranks among the top producers in sales and service and is a lifetime member of the National Chairman's Club, which is awarded to the top 1% of agents at Royal LePage Canada. So whether you're looking to buy your first home, move up, purchase an income property, help your parents sell the house they've been in for 40 years, or just have your questions answered,

visit her at joannegludish.com and then give her a call. Now, Stu, I think as recently as last Thursday, you made a crack about Sheila doing some voiceover work. That's like, first of all, that James Taylor song, like that's the hardest that's ever hit. And I mean, just listening to that, like little Joanne glutish promo, you know, I can't help but put a smile on my face despite the somberness of this, of this news. It's terrible. I think like, you know, we knew about Sheila,

but I think like Sheila really came to prominence on pandemic Friday, specifically when we first got a gander of this amazing copy read that she did. That was so, I was just so drawn to this copy read that she did that was so uh i was just so uh drawn to this copy read because she had this this honesty and earnestness about her delivery that like i she makes a good pitch woman it's like i believe i believe what she's saying to me it doesn't seem like she's being paid to say that and i'm sure she wasn't um but yeah she was definitely a character uh uh in the sense that we had a lot of fun

with uh with that advertisement and uh suddenly she's gone it's crazy um i think that you know and without like knowing her for years and years and only knowing her since uh joining the universe here i know that she was definitely somebody that was uh high in stature as far as, you know, she wasn't just a taker of the Toronto Mike show. She was a giver as well. She contributed to the show. She brought sponsors. She tweeted about every time there was anything, she was very much an active member of this community that will be missed by everybody. And I think she'll be missed by us for sure. I mean, she's the greatest voiceover artist that ever did a commercial for the Toronto

Mike Show for sure. And a sweetheart of a woman and politically charged. You look at her Twitter, she was involved. She was tweeting about this and that. So this wasn't a woman that just like sat back and just like let life pass her by. She was an active participant in life. So it sucks that we lost her so soon. And I'm sure Cam or brother here might want to add to that,

but obviously we send our deepest sorrow and condolences to her husband and to her family and all of her friends. And, you know, as someone speaking on now on pandemic Friday, we thank her for her contributions and it's, it's just shitty. It's really shitty that she's gone but we will dedicate this episode to her and we will dedicate all of our efforts moving forward to p2 sheila and the example she set for people who uh who are part of this community so good for you sheila maybe we'll have to name an award after her at the end like the year-end awards like the

sheila award for something like that like the voicey or something yeah something something pending there but but very very sad and terrible news unexpected terrible she passed away when we were recording pandemic friday last week it's like holy shit it's uh it's terrible yeah there's there's no there's no silver lining when somebody dies suddenly like that unexpectedly at such a young age other than that i, she left us with some memories. You know, she affected this whole community of people that, thanks to you, Mike. So good on you, man.

And God bless her. Yeah, I got to say, she even bought masks for Monica because Monica made a bunch of masks early in the pandemic and Sheila bought a bunch of them. And so early in the pandemic, when you weren't seeing anybody, Sheila was at the door and it was like, Oh, Sheila,

Sheila's here to pick up her masks. And then we had a great chat then. I just want to share a note I got from Moose Grumpy because you said it's Stu that like fire and rain never hit like that before. And I'm going to read this note from Moose Grumpy. Moose Grumpy said, maybe this is odd to request because it's so far removed from tonight's topic,

but could you play James Taylor's Fire and Rain? I've been listening to music today to get through this. This song speaks to me during a loss, and Sheila was truly fiery, and then her loveliness was like rain cooling you. And I think that that's Sheila because Sheila, like Sheila, as I said at some, I think one or two

or one of the TMLXs I pointed out that, you know, Sheila's Twitter persona wasn't warm and fuzzy all the time. Like she, there was fire in her belly and she wasn't afraid to show it. And there was that side. And then of course there was the, like Moose Grumpy said,

the, the loveliness of her, that was like a rain cooling you. And I just got to say, when I got this news yesterday, it hit me like a ton of fucking bricks. Like how can Sheila 53 years seem, seemed well,

uh, how can this vibrant soul be gone like that? And like, I, I gotta say, like, since I caught this news yesterday i've been carrying it like it's just like a fallen soldier a member of the community is no longer

with it's it's really it's sad it's sad i mean i guess the only kind of like and this is a reach but the only silver lining is that thanks to moose grumpy's email, we have at least one good song that will be played on tonight's episode of Dynamic Friday. That again, Ajab. Yeah, I thought Stu, I echo everything Stu says. And I mean, his comments about being a fine voiceover artist. This is a guy who's on Babar. Yeah. Like, this is a guy who's like Babar yeah like this is no joke and you know

in terms Mike your comments about Sheila and her Twitter prowess let the record show she had more Twitter followers than Toronto Mike, Stu Stone or Cam Gordon and probably the brother over there combined right I'm sure you could add us up and she'd have yeah but

what like a fucked up situation I don't know like I just it's also I don't know like i i it just it's also i don't know i mean it's it's also the way we find out about these things these days where you know you're piecing together these little bits of digital uh breadcrumbs and it's it's fucking brutal um i i honestly i don't know if I ever spoke to Sheila. I was certainly at events she was at. And then I'm like, oh, there she was at TMLX where Ron Hawkins played a few tunes

and Cam Gordon threw a soccer ball at Brian Gerstein because he got the trivia question. Or at Palma Pasta where myself and Sue Stone and MF and Gene Volaitis and Mike Willner and everybody was there. Yeah, it's brutal. And she'll be missed. I really don't know what else to say.

There are no words. That's it. There's no words. You pointed out that the way we're connected to Sheila is not your conventional, traditional method, right? It's because we're connected because she showed up at an event, then you see her at another event and then she was also just like starting to come into her own over the last

six months as like a real spark plug of a character i mean there's some stuff going on in the political in the political spectrum then the voiceover happened and then it's just like sheila was becoming she was just starting to become like a thing right she was definitely a character on pandemic fridays and i will say she loved toronto mic i'm not sure she loved pandemic friday i don't think she liked pandemic friday but we loved her so she had impeccable teeth too clearly yes she had standards she had her standards but uh but i mean it's funny in the sense that i i caught you know there was a tweet and then you're like, can this be true? Like, how can Sheila be dead?

Like, that can't be true. But where do you go? Like, her husband, Eric, and again, my sincere condolences to Eric, her husband, who I can't imagine what he's going through this last week. But I don't know him. I know Sheila through this avenue. And then I actually, what I did is I contacted Joanne Glutish. And she said, call me at home. And I had a great conversation, sad topic, but she was very warm in giving with the information. And I got all this information

from Joanne Glutish yesterday, confirming, you know, our worst fears and suspicions here that Sheila had indeed suffered a heart attack and they call it the widow maker for uh i i for a reason and and she she she was very it was very sudden she passed very suddenly last thursday so what i'm gonna do here and and brother bill i know you listen to the pandemic fridays and you've probably heard uh stew reference sheila multiple times uh so she was sort of a just a character we just took her for granted i'd say that you know sheila will always be i didn't i i i spotted talent yeah and indeed though it's it's a great loss to lose somebody at such a young age and obviously condolences as you mentioned to to the family and friends because when someone dies close to you um especially suddenly it's really a tsunami effect across the friendship and family board. And obviously members of the Toronto Mike family and myself and everybody who's heard

about this is reeling a little bit. I mean, I didn't know the woman, but just the comments that I read from the FOTMs, you know, obviously this lady meant something and brought something every day and she obviously will be sadly missed. So let me do this. Let me crack open a cold Great Lakes beer for Sheila. And here we go. And just tip my tip here to, as I said, a fallen soldier. We lost a good one, and I'm going to miss Sheila immensely. I almost can't really believe that she's – that's it. No more Twitter DMs from Sheila. No more emails.

No more messages. Sheila is no longer with us, and we're all – No more new sponsorships. My concern was you might do a Ridley funeral home joke there. I don't make dark... That's not my style.

No. Sheila, you'll be missed. We don't want to lose any FOTMs. I can make a joke about how there's not enough that we could afford to lose one. But no, in all sincerity, I'm going to miss her. And I'm so, so sorry to her friends and family. I'd say once an FOTM, always a FOTM, whether it's on this planet or elsewhere.

So on that note, let's begin our 53rd Pandemic Friday. Yes, okay, I'll start again. It's all out of order. Here we are, ready to go. Nailed it to a smound. I'll fix it in post. Those chuckleheads from the 9-5 are getting all cocky just because they're on

TV. We've all been on the local news, fellas. Okay, which case of yours was on the news? That wasn't exactly a case. Scott defines who I am as a person, and I will never turn my back on Scott. Looking back, I have no regrets. You should. Yep. It's time now for Pandemic Fridays, starring Toronto Mike, Stu Stone, and Cam Gordon.

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He's the real estate agent who's ripping up the Mimico real estate scene. Learn more at realestatelove.ca. I'm Mike. From torontomike.com and joining me this week for this 53rd Pandemic Friday are Cam Gordon, Stu Stone, and Brother Bill. One step beyond. And for the record, this is the very first time. And that.

This is the very first time Brother Bill and Stu Stone have been on a podcast together. It's love at first sight for me. I don't know if the feeling is mutual, but I mean, if it wasn't a pandemic. I may just go over and give this guy a big hug. Well, we are on the same coast,

so we're pretty close, but yeah, I am totally, totally. I'm smitten. Shuffed to be here in the presence of greatness. Yeah. Not only Toronto,

Mike cam, but the legendary stew stone. Well, there you go. See, he's already knows the right verbiage that works around here. This guy filmed a movie with John Travolta. This guy's a big one.

You know what I'm saying? In Vancouver. Yes. Pulp Fiction was the name. Yeah. I mean, listen, a very somber beginning, but I think that, like, you know, after the rain clouds of bad news, there is good news. There is a full episode of Pandemic Friday featuring a topic that I can't wait to talk about.

But I'll let Mike sort of set the table here. Although I have difficulty with you, Stu. I can't tell when you're doing, and correct me if I get the wrong jargon but a work or a shoot remind me again so this is a shoot this is a shoot brother it's it's always a work with stew life's a work i've yet to figure out when it's which is which i gotta admit that right now it's our 53rd pandemic friday and i still can't tell which is which but the topic today is a topic i've been rooting for for a long time. And Brother Bill and Cam Gordon are really into it. The topic is ska.

My understanding, Stu, is you're not as big a fan of this topic. No, I mean, listen, I like all music. I'd be ignorant to say that I don't like some ska music. I'm saying that it's not on my playlist, but like I was alive in the nineties and a teenager or late in my early twenties when this movement was happening and I'm aware of it. And I listened to it and I had it. I wasn't like, I saw the movie swingers and I said that, that like,

I think the movie clueless, the movie clueless, I think had a couple of songs on the soundtrack. Ska like got mainstream for a second. And you'll notice by my selections that that will be sort of covered. But listen, there's a whole scene for any kind of music. And in 53 weeks of Pandemic Friday, you're eventually going to land on Ska. Let me talk to the, what do you call it? Before you do that, I have a question for these two guys,

these two ska lovers. Yeah. I'm a fan of Earth, Wind & Fire in Chicago, so I'm not against brass and I'm not against, and I like punk music too. And I like, it's just like, there's something sort of about this whole mixture that, I don't know, it's just not my favorite.

It all kind of just sounds the same. It makes sense, Stu. I mean, you're, let's be honest, I don't know. It's just not my favorite. It all kind of just sounds the same. It makes sense, Stu. I mean, you're, you're, you're, let's be honest. You're out of your comfort zone. I'm a little out of my comfort zone. Ska is not my number one music, but I think that's half the fun of doing these is we get to sort of listen to, you know, what Stu Stone thinks is Ska, what Cam Gordon thinks is Ska, what, what I think is Ska. And then there's Mike, who we just shake our heads on an often, you know, frequent basis. Is Metallica Ska? I just need to know off the top here.

He just pays for the favor. I'm sorry. For the record, for those that are watching the video portion of this that's going live right now, I'm not channeling my inner Bobcat. This is not my inner bob mccowan this is my tribute to the two-tone axe who would always wear sunglasses and mike you've got yours on too looking almost risky business tom cruise risky that's quite the compliment yeah well he has he also has no pants on he's about to start like dancing take them all records off the shelf so uh cam and i'm

gonna take them off oh no i'm in now what do you mean oh sorry we'll bring it back cam and cam and bill and i know i know brother bill's really a neil morrison okay this has caused much confusion in the greater toronto area but i'm gonna continue to call him brother until he tells me to stop so i prefer that that's fine with me. Either or. But I mean, you know, it makes sense, given that when I worked in Toronto for 17 years, for those who don't know, I went under the handle of Brother Bill. So don't ask me why I went under that, because I don't really have an answer for you.

But but I went over that handle. It worked. It worked. Thanks, man. I appreciate that, Stu. So if anyone's heard the Pandemic Fridays that were recorded when Stu was busy chasing after superstars in the US of A, and the two episodes, I know we did three, but the two in particular I'm thinking of right now, Britpop and American Hardcore.

During those episodes, I learned so much from these big brains the big brains of uh bad brains being one of the american hardcore acts but the big brains of cam gordon and the big brain of uh brother bill and i'm wondering off the top can you guys maybe take turns passing the baton but succinctly explain these three phases of ska because my understanding i did a lot of homework and research and there seems to be these three waves, I guess we'll call them the three waves of Ska. Who wants to start talking about the waves before we get into the jams? Cause I know which wave I prefer and you'll know by which jams I chose. No, that's great. And we're just, as we enter a third wave of COVID here in Toronto, that's a awesome, awesome simile. Yeah, sure. Neil, do you want to start off?

Why do I start off? Because the 90s stuff, I don't particularly care for. That's the third wave, right? The 90s stuff. Yeah. Yeah, which, yeah. The first wave is in Jamaica. Again, I asked you to explain this, not me, but we're in Jamaica for

wave number one. Yeah. That's probably when it's good. when it's like the Jamaican Scott. That's probably awesome. Well, I think that's the thing. I mean, much like COVID-19, I mean, it mutated and it morphed into these other waves. But yeah, it all came from that. It's strangely the proximities to COVID are kind of strange when you think about it, where, yeah, the original was largely Jamaican artists, but stuff that really popped, especially in the UK,

I think some of the key artists I'm sure we'll hear some of them tonight from Jamaica. I looked at some records. They didn't really chart a lot of this stuff in the U.S. There was a few hits that were sort of, but they were almost like one-hit wonders for some of these artists in North America and in the United States, whereas in the U.K.,

I think a lot of this stuff was getting digested by the youth along with Northern Soul and obviously British Invasion-type music and whatnot. Hey, Cam, can I just step in for a second? And what I was going to say is it's surprising how Jamaican ska seemed to ultimately skip the United States and Canada and sort of jump to the UK. Now, I know there was a lot of immigration going on from Jamaica

to the United Kingdom to Britain in the 1960s. But I'm very surprised, especially Canada, given the Jamaican population out where you guys are in Toronto, in the Toronto area. We don't really see it out here yet, to tell you the truth. But Scott never really hit Canada the way it hit the UK. And I was a little surprised by that. Maybe it's because a lot of the Jamaican immigrants who came to, to Southern Ontario came more in the 1980s, I guess, than the 1960s. I would say like by the time Scott came to Canada like that on the, it was already like white people playing it. Right. Yeah. i mean that valid yeah

for sure that's sad but true i mean i think also just canada in the 60s and 70s to some degree you know that their appetite for yeah non-white person music i think was limit a great episode of the toronto mike podcast is when jay douglas came in and hearing some of his stories about how he was received. And Mike, when did he start? He was like, did he go back to the late 60s? Like he went way back. I thought even I think earlier, maybe. But he goes way back. I can't remember exactly when. And he was like a real outlier, his whole story in terms of how he was embraced by kind of, you know, the Yonge Street clubs and whatnot. Certainly a very atypical story, which...

What was that compilation, Mike? I feel like Jay talked about it. The Jamaica to Toronto compilation. You know who Michael Barclay, when he came over on Canada Day in the backyard, so Canada Day 2020, he actually kicked out a jam from that. Jackie Matu, I feel like he might have played.

And it was excellent too. That whole compilation, I can't remember the name right now, but it's exceptional. I think it was just called Jamaica to Toronto. Like, I know that this is not ska, obviously, what I'm saying, but just an opinion here. Like, do you think, like, I know that I definitely noticed, like, reggae influence on popular music at a certain time,

where I could name The Police as an obvious example, where there's, like, definitely reggae undertones in a lot of their songs. And then even like Joe Walsh, Life is Good has like a reggae kind of vibe to it. I mean, is there a difference between the reggae influence and the ska influence? Like how did it morph in such drastic directions? Well, it's all based on reggae, right? It all comes from reggae. But I'm saying like the horn, it's like sort of like that horns part of it, right?

Because you don't hear any horns in any Beatles or in any police songs or anything like that. Or Bob Marley's not a big horn guy. Sometimes, I guess. But all of a sudden... I feel like there's a bit of a bounce. It's not unlike the doobie bounce. It just feels like it's like... It feels like guys in derbies wearing

bowling shirts, sunglasses, zoot suits. It seems like that sort of became the that became what Scott became. And that came out of the UK. That's where I came out of Britain primarily. What I was going to say, too, is I guess with southern Ontario as well, a lot of the people that immigrated, you know, obviously I can't speak for people who immigrated from Jamaica becauseican because i'm not jamaican but i would assume that what happened was they would they came to toronto and hip-hop was had such a big influence on people uh in the era that they moved here that they probably went more towards hip-hop i think of michi michi me and and people like this even maybe maestro i don't know what his background is but you know he got into the hip-hop rather than the the than the. Although I mentioned Maestro, there's a song he did called Conducting Things, which is a ska song. Yeah.

You know, so go figure. Well, let me read a couple of comments from live.toronomike.com. So Walt Jabasko says that simplified explanation here would be reggae is slow ska or ska is fast reggae. That's what he's saying there. And then he says, he points out that reggae comes from ska. So, yeah. This is almost what came first, the chicken or the egg. Cambrio has also chimed in to say ska came before reggae,

but that's exactly what Walt was saying. So they're all on the same page there. So ska is a music genre that originated in Jamaica in the late 50s and was the precursor to rock, steady, and reggae. So that first wave in Jamaica, and then the second wave is you had the sunglasses. We would call it two-tone.

How would you describe the second wave? Yeah, I'd call it... I mean, two-tone was the label, too. Two-tone, yeah, two-tone is a movement based on the label that was started by the keyboardist with a band called The Specials in the late 1970s. They had no way of getting their music out there at the time via a major label. So this guy, his name is

Jerry Dammers, started Two Tone, and it became a movement and a look as well, because the specials dressed in the zoot suits and glasses. Yeah, but that's Ska, the specials? Because those guys are awesome. Right, that's the second wave. That's Ska, man. Okay, well, that's incredible.

I like, see, I don't even think of that. Did you do your homework, Stu? Yeah, but I just, like, the Ska that I'm aware of think of that Did you do your homework, Stu? Yeah, but the Ska that I'm aware of is the water down, no doubt That's the third generation The third generation is Drek Okay, well I agree

You don't like Gwen Stefani here? I like Gwen Stefani I do like some no doubt I ain't no hollaback girl Here's what we're going to do, guys Because more of the history of Ska Yeah, I do like some, no doubt. Listen, I ain't no hollaback girl, but I, you know. Here's what we're going to do, guys, because more of the history of Ska and what Ska was not will come out as we talk about the jams we all chose. So let's get this thing going.

The people need some Ska. I'm just checking out my files here. We're going to start, we're going to go in this order because we've never had four of us on this before, but we're going to go Cam, me, then Brother Bill, then Stu. Is that cool with everybody yeah i'll back clean up that's for last stew best for last joe carter yeah vanessa williams that song's yet to be yet to be played on a that's a scott song yeah it is if you speed it up a little sometimes

the snow comes down in june and sometimes the uh i guarantee you that Brother Bill spun that Lawrence Gowan song more than Save the Best for Last. Which Lawrence Gowan song? Kim. Dancing on My Two Feet. Is that what it was called? It's like On My Own or something. On My Own. Dancing on My Own Two Feet or something.

Weren't big Gowan people back in the day. This was an ongoing debate where Stu suggested CFNY played this. This was when he went by Lawrence Gowan people back in the day. This was an ongoing debate where Stu suggested CFNY played this. This was when he went by Lawrence Gowan. That was one of his singles that got into the mini rotation on CFNY.

During that window where it went from Spirit of Radio before the grunge thing and they kind of found their groove there, they were playing some weird shit. They were playing Phil Collins or Bobby Brown they were playing like phil collins or bobby brown right like there was that period i talked about it with alan cross last time he was on but there was a strange period when they were trying to get someone someone had a drunken conversation with stew stone back in those days and stew said you know what you gotta do gotta play more Bobby Brown. Right?

I was on that part. That's my prerogative, guys. That's the way you want to live. Cam Gordon, are you ready for your first jam? Yeah, and I'll just send this out again. I know this is going to be a tribute show to Sheila. I feel like this song is a

good message just for all the FOTMs. She wouldn't have heard it anyway because she wouldn't have listened to Pandemic Fridays again because she has too much taste but one final shout out to the late great Sheila and we're thinking about her and her family today

It's good to be wise when you're young cause you can only be young But for once Enjoy yourself and have lots of fun Serve God and live my friend and it will never done Enjoy yourself, it's later than you think

Enjoy yourself, while you're still in the pain. The years go by as quickly as you win. Okay, so we're listening to Prince Buster with the song Enjoy Yourself. And I think sometimes we see enjoy yourself. It's later than you think perhaps a good message given uh we just lost someone who's very special to us today just a good message enjoy listen i think you could say it this way enjoy every sandwich exactly shout out to warren savann for sure um so yeah prince buster one of the uh one of the originators of ska for sure.

This song goes back all the way to 1963 or 64. So way back. So this is definitely a first wave song. Right. And Prince Buster was someone who was born in Kingston, Jamaica. Not to be confused with Kingston, Ontario. No. Well, we'll talk about... Kingston, Ontario. No. Climate-wise, anyway.

Yeah, sort of different music scene, too, for sure. Yeah, true. We'll talk a bit more about Prince Buster in a second, but this is going to be, I feel like, an ongoing theme where I think one of the central things is Ska. There's a lot of covers and interpretations of other people's songs in ska and this song was later covered by the specials who shocked if we didn't hear today but this song

was not written by prince buster jerry dammers or anyone associated with ska it was this written by someone named carl segman and this song actually goes back to all the way to 1948, if you can believe it. Wow. And this was an often covered song. I don't really, I didn't really realize how broad the number of people who like covered this song where everyone from Glenn Miller to Canada's own guy Lombardo, who I think we fancy booked into Northern lights. Wait a minute. We,

we didn't do that. That was a you and me. This doesn't concern you. This doesn't, you weren't there. You didn't do that. That was a you and me. This doesn't concern you. You weren't there. You weren't on that episode. Like Alan Cross. No, no, no. Every time I hear it, it's over. Yeah.

Anyway, this was also, Enjoy Yourself was covered by Bing Crosby. This big Bing Crosby guy. Doris Day. The Supremes and Jules Holland. Ooh, double D. Yeah, you know, it's interesting, Cam. I didn't know too much,

and I still don't know too much about early ska and where it came from, other than it came from the country of Jamaica. That's established. But I did, in some of my research, I realized that a lot of these guys and girls from Jamaica making ska music in the, as early as like the 50s. And as you mentioned, 1948 for this song, it's Roots. Clearly couldn't get record contracts anywhere.

Sort of like what happened to a lot of the blues artists back in the day at the dawn of rock and roll, they, they kind of had to do their own thing. And then somebody discovered their music tended to be, to be Caucasian people and covered the songs and updated them and hopefully made these people, you know, gave them some money for, for writing these great songs. But really nobody knew who these people were until the music was uh up shall i say upgraded i i don't know yeah absolutely and and this this um

well the the album that disappeared on in a bunch of the prince buster albums and there were there was a lot and the 60s came out on a label called blue beat records which was an english record label that specialized in a lot of uh since they're specialized in jamaican r&b but i mean sort of the whole spectrum of jamaican music and put out stuff by prince buster and all sorts of other artists i think were very much associated um with with the original ska movement. Now, Prince Buster's first album was something called I Feel Spirit. And again, a very influential album, in part because there's a song on there called Madness, the second track on the album.

That is where the band Madness took their name. Right. As well, a couple of other Prince Buster songs. They did a song called, or he did a song called one step beyond later popularized by mad i'm totally like botching this spoiler alert yeah no no it makes sense it makes sense and what you're saying is what a lot of people don't know and that is a lot of the two-tone the second wave of ska that came along right was all songs from the first wave that these people just decided to cover and and uh and make their own if you will and i mean

you know i think of the rock genre and you think of heavy metal and i think of the band van halen and their first album you know all the big songs off that first album were covers you know you really got me as a fine fine example stew that i was going to say that's because michael mcdonald hadn't gotten involved yet namely i mean that's the important part too uh there you're yeah absolutely are you talking to your agent by the way stew i see i am i'm close i'm closing a deal right now for a ska podcast actually you know what if this is if this is any indication of what we're going to hear i'm okay i i i you may hear me admit to something very rarely that i could be

wrong oh wow wow you may you may would you even admit stew that you might not win today no i'm gonna win i'm definitely gonna win i have contingency. I already have a super pack. So I can't, I can never lose, just so you're aware. Okay. Now it just so happens that my first jam and Brother Bill's first jam are by the same artist. So I'm going to go, we're going to go a bit back to back and then we're going to listen to Brother Bill talk about this second wave ska act. Here we go. So I guess this is ska. For sure. Yeah. Stop your messing around. Better think of your future.

So Blondie sampled this? Time to straighten right out. Creating problems in town. Ah, Rudy. A message to you, Rudy. Okay. Not Blondie. Not Blondie. The specials. Not Blondie.

Right. No, but it sounded like Blondie. Yeah. So did Blondie sample this or is it sort of like the blues where there's just like certain riffs that are in like a million songs that's kind of the standard sounds like blondie that's the standard ska riff just a slow that's a little slower than it usually would be but that's kind of the standard ska riff the the one and three or what is it one and two and three and four. I can't exactly remember the guitar part.

Like, ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba. So, okay. Well, that's the horns. What I like about this is you guys already made the point that a lot of the second wave ska artists are covering songs from the first wave of ska. And this song was actually by Dandy Livingston. Right.

And it was originally called Rudy, A Message to You. And the song we're listening to now, they call it A Message to You, Rudy. And this, of course, is the special. So this is from 1979. That original was 1967. I got to say, I didn't know the original. So I grew up with this jam

just seeming like it was everywhere. And I don't want to say too much about this important Wave 2 Ska Act, the specials, because a much smarter guy than me is also about to kick out a specials song so why don't i do this let's see if i can get this together here so let me bring this guy the specials the specials the specials are awesome are they in the rock and roll hall of fame uh no i don't think so yeah i don't think so i don't

think so they should be yeah they're a fantastic band, for sure. It's like very timeless. That's pretty interesting right there. Timeless. Timeless, I was going to say. Timeless, damn. This is my pick, by the way, since Mike's not going to tell you.

This is Brother Bill's pick. This is a little bit more of a scoffing Bill's pick. This is a little bit more of a scoffing. Coming up. I'm Sleep all day, it's the only way I'm a parasite, I creep about at night Parasite. I creep about at night. It's a seeing place to be.

What am I doing here? Watching the girls go by spending money. I don't want. Cause I don't have to. What do you think, Stu? It's very cool. Good groove. Yeah, oh yeah.

And this is called Nightclub. Same album as A Message to You, Rudy. It's their debut album from the specials from 1979. Is that, Cam, in the background behind you, is that the specials from 79? Oh, he's eating. Sorry, I caught him during the sandwich. He's enjoying every last sandwich. Remember that.

Half of it's on his face. Chicken wrap. I mean, that looks like a very early specials gig because the guys look quite young. And I dropped something in the chat. I mean, something called the special still playing to this day. I think it's

mainly the vocalist, Terry Hall, and then one of the original members. Are you talking about still performing? Yeah, yeah. It's like Terry Hall and I think Neville Godline? No, it's actually not. So I saw The Special here in Vancouver about four years ago or five years ago. And it was basically the original band minus Neville Staples. So Terry Hall is the singer of the specials.

He's the guy you hear on all the main vocals there, but they have these two guys that grew up, like Neville Staples, originally from Jamaica, Linville Golding as well, who now calls Gig Harbor, Washington home, which is just down the road from me, actually. Not far. They're the main core, I guess, of the specials.

But Jerry Dammers is the guy who started the band. He's the keyboardist. There's a guy named Roddy Radiation on guitar, who I think wrote Nightclub, if I'm not mistaken. John Bradbury on drums, who was the original drummer who unfortunately died uh at the age of 62 back in December of 2015 and a guy named Horace Panter was a bass player so to answer your question uh up until when I saw them at the Commodore Ballroom which is still one of my favorite shows of all time and Stu I know you like the groove.

So if you saw him live, trust me, it's even better. Yeah, I'd love to. It's fantastic. And I saw them and they were sensational. Terry has manic depression issues. So it was kind of odd because when he came on, it looked like the meds hadn't kicked in. So he was kind of moping around a little bit.

And then two or three songs in he got into it i don't know if it was because of the crowd of the meds or whatever but the reason why i don't know if you've ever heard this story and it's not really a fun fact but a fact is terry hall claims that he was abducted at the age of 12 by a pedophile ring. That's not a fun fact at all. That's not fun at all, but that he claims brought on... I guess it depends which side... We're there already, Stu.

We're there already. Gilbert Gottfried? What's going on here? I'm going to turn off my video again so he claims though terry hall claims that that the reason why or partially why he suffers from manic depression he couldn't stay in school was because he was abducted at the age of 12. that's awful that's awful yeah on a positive side terry's had quite the career after the specials because the specials the first incarnate were only around from about 1977 to about 1983 or four i think right uh and then terry went on to

form a couple of other bands that did fairly well one called the color field they had a song called bring it up the daisy i can't remember uh also a band called fun boy three with neville staple and linville golding in the band as well so they they managed to to continue on and that's that stuff though stew that wasn't ska based that was that like is that like when like three members of duran duran like went off and did like arcadia powers power station the power station and then arcadia was the other one. Arcadia, wow. I love Dwayne Brown. Terry Hall also famously co-wrote

Our Lips Are Sealed by the Go-Go's. He dated Jane Wealdland from the Go-Go's for a while and they were sort of the way Pam and Tommy Lee and then Kanye and Kim how they were sort of dogged by the press.

Well, in the late 1970s, the Go-Go's had Beauty and the Beat, Our Lips Are Sealed, We Got the Beat. They were a big band in the UK anyway. And Terry Hall and Jane were dating, so they'd get followed around everywhere. Bill, it's interesting you describe Terry Hall because I saw his specials in 2019 when they played in Toronto and sort of what you described

he looked like he would have rather have been anywhere else and I didn't know sort of his story with Mick totally adds up because he seemed not into it and was just like clutching like a I don't know if it was like a beer or it might have just been like a

water or something it was kind of just like coffee yeah but would leave stage every two minutes or so and then have ambled back um but meanwhile of course and and the other original member i i feel like when i saw them there's maybe three of the original guys and then sort of you could be right i mean i may have seen them on a different tour there was they were on their 40th anniversary and it's actually if you go to youtube you can google specials 40th anniversary to tour and you'll see a show they did in london and it's the same thing where whereas terry looks a little bit sort of non-committal where the other guys are all bouncing around or and he's just kind of i don't know it's just an odd thing and it probably has to do with the depression and again we i feel like every song uh we talk about we're going to try to connect the dots

between the different waves terry hall was also in the video for no doubts sunday morning wow that's right i forgot about that but here's a couple of facts for it because i know you like this cam rolling stone magazine uh listed the specials number 60 the album the specials number 68 on the top 100 albums of the 1980s and that's odd because like the clash is london calling 79 uh these albums were released in 1979 in the uk and in europe but in north america they were released in 1980. Right. Yeah.

Well, I mean, that album is fucking great. Like there's not a bad track. Front to back. Like it really is one of the best. Okay. So I, I kind of like how we opened with a cam kicking out a jam from the first

wave of ska. And then a brother, Bill and I went to the second wave and we're about to hear, uh, Stu Stone's first ska jam yes yes you know the path the path to victory has to go through stew stone so uh let's just get it out there now i mean i'm representing right now the bowling shoe era of ska where you know if you had bowling shoes on you were probably you were probably pretty cool.

If, have you ever, let me ask you a question. Have you guys, have you ever seen the movie Step Brothers? Yeah, I actually, I saw it with my daughter on the weekend, like literally this past weekend, because it was leaving Netflix or something. Yeah. Will Ferrell. Will Ferrell.

In John C. Reilly. Yeah. Have you seen the movie Chasing Amy? Yeah, of course. Yeah. Of course. Kevin Smith. Have you seen the movie Chasing Amy? Yeah, of course. Of course. Kevin Smith. Have you seen the movie Father's Day? Whoa. I haven't seen Father's Day.

No, I haven't seen Father's Day. Are you in all of these, Stu? No. Have you seen the movie Digimon? The movie. Oh, no. But I bet you my maybe my six year old or my 19 year old did. Yeah. And Clueless. Maybe you saw Clueless. Of course. Several times. Absolutely. older my 19 year old did yeah and clueless maybe you saw clueless of course several times absolutely uh i wasn't in all of these movies but this was oh it's like a trailer Have you ever been close to tragedy Or been close to folks you have Have you ever felt the pain so powerful

So heavy you collapse No, well I never had to knock on wood But I know someone who has Which makes me wonder if I could It makes me wonder if I never had to knock on wood And I'm glad I haven't yet. Because I'm sure it isn't good.

That's the impression that I get. There you go. Good one, Stu. Coming in hot. Wow. Probably the most successful songs of the so-called real ska acts of this wave. I mean, I'm leaving no doubt out of the equation and some others but like the mighty mighty bostones were not considered like fakes

they were considered the real deal during that era and this is easily their biggest song uh which was featured on all of those shows and movies that i listed it was also in band hero and rock band guitar hero. This song was fucking everywhere. Including Cam and I. I think we saw them play at Lollapalooza, Mighty Mighty Boss Tones. They played at Lollapalooza in 95 the year we saw opening on the bill that had Sonic Youth and Cypress Hill.

They also played at Eden Music Fest. Wow. I remember they flew through an inflatable woman. That wasn't, that wasn't, that wasn't flaming lips. No,

no, it wasn't. It was that smash mode woman. Are you confusing them with smash? No, I feel like it was them. It was them. We're totally done.

Inside. No camera caught the inflatable woman. And then he disappeared. I still have it. Yeah. Yeah. You know, it was a long weekend. Yes.

That song was huge on the radio in 1995. That song was all over the radio. That might have been number one on CFNY. Would it? I think it would have been. Right behind Gowan. It actually went to number one on the U.S. Billboard Modern Rock chart, which is probably the same chart that CFNY would have been pulling songs from. The modern rock sort of charts or alternative rock, guess well that's a good question very well in australia canada the united kingdom blah blah blah uh the mighty mighty bostons i mean

listen if you want to listen to a band that a lot of people love that are considered to be the real deal of uh that sort of 90s ska wave. These guys were the epitome of it. They were the most culturally accepted in a mainstream level. And I don't know if it lasted very long, but this song lasted because this song is still pretty cool. And as much as I didn't love the music of that era, this song I like.

Yeah, that's a good one. Yeah, it's got a good hook. They did a cover of Kiss, Detroit Rock City. On a Kiss compilation. Yeah, it was called Kiss My Ass, I think. It was called Kiss My Ass. Interesting you bring that up, Cam, because CFNY never played, The Edge never played Kiss, obviously.

Right. So we managed to get Gene Simmons to come in and talk to us because he wanted to come in and he was talking about that compilation cd so the only reason he would agree to come in is because we were playing like the boss tones and lenny kravitz and and other songs from that compilation did you meet him bill like did you meet gene i did i did the interview with him and what's what's uh i don know, kind of a sad thing, I guess. So I lost my sister in 2001. And this was around the time that this had been released.

And Gene Simmons was, I mean, everybody knows Gene Simmons. He can be a little bit of a cocky prick when he wants to be. And when he came in to talk to us at our studios, he would reference things like he'd be talking about something. And when he was talking to me and he'd always refer to, yeah, then that's like that time I went out with your sister and, and he didn't know that my sister had passed away around that time. And I remember we went to commercials and I wasn't emotional. It was fine. But I remember somebody pulling him aside and saying something in his ear about he just lost his sister. And all I remember, and this is why I like Gene Simmons. I remember he came around the corner of where our desk was, where I was broadcasting from, because I'm on

one side, he's on the other. He came around, he gave me a hug and he said, I'm truly sorry. And we never talked about it again, but I just thought it was a very cool move of him. Clearly somebody had told him, but not only did he apologize, but he came over sincerely and apologized to me. And I could tell, I could tell he felt bad. He generally felt bad. That's that Jewish could tell he felt bad. He genuinely felt bad.

That's that Jewish guilt that he was carrying. I was feeling bad that day. Talk about a guy where life is a work for him. I feel like he's always on the grift or something. He's getting cannabis or Bitcoin now or non-fungible items. Oh, no surprise there. I do know that they had a Kiss branded

coffin. And I'm not sure if you can get one at Ridley Funeral Home. Is Ridley going to carry those? He and his wife have a home in Whistler. Oh, Shannon Tweed. I saw them up there once too. They're very tall people.

Oh, yes. I remember early 80s or something. She was Playmate of the Year, I want to say, in mid-80s maybe. She's Canadian, is she not? She's from Newfoundland. Oh, I thought she was from the other side. Okay, okay. No, she's from Newfoundland.

Fun fact. That is a fun fact. Hey, there you go. And did you ever think, starting this show, talking about Ska, did you think that Gene Simmons or Shannon Tweed would be mentioned during a Ska episode? No, I like it. It's another Pandemic Fridays miracle. So thank you, Stu, though, for, you know, the cherry popping daddies

would say, you know, you popped our third wave cherry there. So thank you, Stu Stone. Can I quickly ask one question, though? I don't know who can answer this, but I know we don't want to go three hours tonight mike i know you want to see your family eventually one day but wasn't dickie barrett from the mighty mighty boss tones at one time the band leader for jimmy kimmel oh i feel like he still is maybe is he not i don't know because he never acknowledges him because he's talking to that little security guard all the time. If somebody in the live.torontomic.com chat

can Google this and get back to us, we would appreciate it. So they're our research staff. Bill, can I ask you just one more question? Are you talking about Clio? Are you talking about Clito and the Clitones? That's the house band. No, I was talking about Dickie Barrett.

Dickie Barrett. Dickie Barrett was the band leader. No, he's not listed. He's not listed on Jimmy Kimmel. Oh, okay. Then I'm probably way off then. I apologize. No, I feel like he's the announcer. Almost like the public address, like the Don Pardo of Jimmy Kimmel.

Musical guest! Yeah. The guy talks like he's got razor blades in his throat. Dickie Barrett is the announcer for the Jimmy Kimmel show. Every time I hear that band July Talk, like that guy, I think of Dickie Barrett.

It's a Tom Waits kind of meets Cookie Monster. That guy meets Cookie Monster. That's what I always think he sounds like, Mike. The guy from July Talk sounds like Cookie Monster. You guys know the young lady from that band is the daughter of Toronto Sun journalist Laurie Goldstein.

No, I didn't know that. There's your fun fact for the day. I guess, what band are we talking about now? Letters to Cleo? No, July Talk. July Talk. July Talk, which I've met, by the way. I've met them.

It's Laurie Goldstein's daughter in Cookie Monster. Right, exactly. July Talk Talk. Also, I know when Indie 88 launched, that was one of the first five songs because I remember tuning in for the launch and that was one of the first five songs.

That is one of those bands. It's great to see a Toronto band doing well. I just can't get into them i i do not see why that band's popular i wish i wish i wish i did well they're no mono you can't no mono whales but they're okay i don't want to be rude but i don't i don't get it either cam but then again i'm 54 years old now so i guess i just don't get a lot of anything not for us anyway let's go back to the 60s and sorry yeah right so so stew's just staring on the sidelines going what am i watching here let me reset it looks so fucking evil

okay i want to get stew back in there because stew you know your tv i'm watching a show now that's on uh amazon prime it's the guy the main character in it is the guy that was in Office Space. It's called Louder Milk. Louder Milk. You guys watch this show? I like it. I do watch it. It's called Louder Milk. It's called Louder Milk. I haven't seen it. No. I'd like to watch it if it's good.

It's like Generation X 20 years after Generation X happened. Filmed in Vancouver, brother. Shot in Vancouver. Will Sasso's in it as well. It's really good. It takes a couple episodes to get going, but once it does, it's really good. I agree.

I'm noting that right now. Yeah, Loudermilk. Loudermilk. Yeah, I always say that too. This is the guy from Office Space. I don't even remember his name. I just know that's the guy from Office Space. All I remember from Office Space is two chicks at the same time. Get your O-face on.

And your O-face. That's right. People can get a cheeseburger everywhere. They come to Chachki's for the flair. That's what I remember. Cam Gordon kicked us out. I want to say phase. Wave one So Cam Gordon kicked us out phase. Uh, I want to say phase wave one was Cam Gordon,

brother Bill and I did wave two, Stu stone did wave three. That wasn't even planned, but are you ready for your second jam? Cam Gordon? Yeah. Let her rip. Let her drop. guitar solo Oh, yeah

Oh, yeah Oh, yeah It's just you, you, you Oh, yeah. It is a you, you, you. Oh, yeah. It is a you, you, you. Oh, yeah. I said a pressure drop.

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yeah and they very much were for a while so So the Clash, the song is Pressure Drop. So this song, this version goes back to 1978. This was originally actually a B-side of the Clash single, English Civil War. Much like the first choice, Prince Buster, Enjoy Yourself, this is a cover song. This is the Clash covering Toots and the Maytals. Yeah, and Toots just died, right? That's right. Yeah, I feel like he...

Toots? He went Toots up? Is that what you're saying? Yeah. They call it Watch It, Toots. Yeah, he left us, I feel like, in the last year or so. Last two.

I'm trying to think. When did Wiseblood tell me about it? It was definitely in the last year, I think. Yeah. And I actually had the good fortune of doing an interview with uh toots for i want to say chart magazine hopefully you didn't call him hopefully you didn't call him toots uh i i don't think i used pronouns in it or like his name because i was probably not sure uh he's a cam called his publicist yeah he's speaking

to toots yeah i just remember he was very nice seemed very disinterested in speaking to chart magazine in toronto um but was this cool he was like like one of the great original ska bands of the 60s covered lovingly by i mean the clash certainly not a ska band first and foremost but dabbled in ska. Right. And this is a ska song, I think, with, I think, you know, this version. It's a bit more lively. It sounds like ska to me, but what do you think, brother?

It's got the ska rhythm to it, for sure. I mean, I think The Clash were more influenced by reggae directly than ska and punk rock. But yeah, I think that this could, in a stretch, be qualified as, as a Scott tune. It was a B side release. It was released on not Scott.

Like what in this song is got you hesitating? The aggression. I think there's the, the, the type of aggression, the distorted guitar. Yeah. That kind of Scott doesn't really use a lot of distorted guitar. And that's probably why Stu you're digging some of this stuff.

Cause I know you're not really a big fan of the loud screaming guitar but yeah I think that he's a y'all rock kind of guy you know that I think the song is good I think that the disparity would be that had I selected it Mike would not be

questioning it he'd be announcing it he'd be immediately saying that it doesn't qualify and you know that's what he would do take that garbage come on can i sidetrack for a second though cam question for you how long did you work for chart magazine for uh to say i worked for them would be you know i i freelance let him go shortly after the toots interview hey that that got tens of tens of clicks on chartattack.com. No, like maybe like five years on and off.

Okay. Because it wasn't early. I remember a couple. Didn't a couple start Chart Magazine? Yeah. It was Edward Skira and Nadia Lazowski. I mean, I would have been there like 2004 to 2009 so like well

after but they were gone by then Edward is still around I would email him once in a while about whatever but I mean he was kind of in the publisher status at that point Aaron Brophy was the editor who is now involved in the Polaris organization

I don't know Aaron, but I knew them and I thought they were very decent people and I think it's worth a shout out to both of them because they were nice people. The origin story of Chart's pretty interesting because I think Edward was I feel like he was at U of T and it was all I feel like he got some grants to start

a nationwide glossy music magazine that wasn't RPM. Let's do a two and a half hour deep dive on the origins of Cher magazine. Okay. I would fucking totally do that. Don't invite me to that either. Hey brother, brother Bill,

did you listen to the two and a half hour deep dive into the history of Tears Are Not Enough? Not a chance. I know. Put your money down quickly. Place your bets. But I wouldn't go as far as saying what Stu just

said. You know what? I just didn't get around to it and I apologize. The one I intentionally overlooked was the Godovitz interview. Yeah, you got to listen to that. Fuck, I hate Godo. Oh, there you go.

Yeah, let's just call it the way I see it. Because you like Peter, I fucking hate Godo. I can save you the time. I can save you the time listening to that episode. Basically, it's like Cam shitting on Anne-Marie,

saying that Anne-Marie should have been on it. Oh, stop it. I'm sick of it. So, guys, I haven't ever disclosed this in public before, but I had a 4 p.m.

Today at 4 p.m. I was supposed to Zoom with Carol Pope. And it was all over. Who? Carol Pope. Oh, Carol Pope. Fantastic. So 4 p.m. today, until us actually, I was going to be on a Zoom with Carol talking to her. But she heard him talk shit about Murray and canceled the show. She might have liked that. She did not show up she never talked shit about murray and she might have liked that

she did not show up for the fucking zoom like that blonde scheming bitch yeah i would have creamed my jeans well that mike can do that now because he's uh blowing blanks down there i'm surprised she just didn't show carol pope is wow she's like yeah we're talking royalty i know canadian music i agree she's legit um so i'm gonna try to reschedule let me i let let's let's circle back to pressure drop oh yeah all right now here here's here's here's let's let's pull it back so the specials self-titled debut one of the greatest albums of the 80s even though it's released in 70s this song pressure drop many would have heard on an album that i think a lot of people would have said is one of the better soundtracks of the 70s,

namely the soundtrack to The Harder They Come. Did you guys have this with Jimmy Cliff and one of the great reggae soundtracks of the 70s? I've heard of it, but I've never seen it. Yeah, like that's surreal. So I don't really know too much about it. I feel like some people in the chat room will be. You know, I was more of a,

so I was like, he's describing most of my career. Hey, Stu, since I got you here, we're going to cut these guys out for a couple of seconds. You guys have a drink or something. So how many years were you living in Los Angeles? About 20. Wow. So how did you end up just, sorry sounding ignorant because i i i've been listening

but i don't really know the story how i ended up back in toronto you're no you're a child actor right yes how did you get into acting and how did you end up in los angeles without being a two-hour episode why don't we just make a two-hour episode we'll report us just fucking i'm just fine brother listen my sister my sister carrie was uh she was doing like catalog modeling and stuff like that she was super into it one day she was at a shoot for with for like sears or something like that and she was modeling with this little baby girl that like wouldn't stop crying and my sister's like oh i have a brother he's in the car and he looks like a girl and they they've got me from the car put me in this like baby girl outfit and i did this shoot and like

then they were like brought us back the next week and then the next week and then all of a sudden i was they put me in a commercial blah blah blah blah and i just started it's just it sort of took off it was also an era before there was really like a huge community of child actors that were working there's about 10 of us and you know i was like the guy with the brown hair there was the blonde year what year was this i i probably years would have yeah i would say that in like 1980 i was started 79 80 so like would like cory feldman and cory hame yeah that era? Well, they're older than me. They would have been in that same era. Yeah, I mean, anybody that was... They were like one generation

above me. So when I was a kid actor, they were playing teens when I was still a kid. Stu, were you ever in stuff... I think we've mentioned this. Stu and I went to the... Corey Haim, also from Thornhill, where Stu and I grew up. Were you ever in stuff with him like by the way cory him cory him well i was in like i was like in the same room as him and shit stuff like that i was never in the movie with him

um oh yeah oh yeah oh i didn't know that i was buried in toronto yeah he died I will say, of the Corys, the best Cory performance is Lucas. Oh, yeah. When he plays Lucas, it's such a good kid actor performance in that movie. So he's critically acclaimed, for sure. Right. And that's Charlie Sheen, right? He's in Lucas. Is that right?

I think Jeremy, what's the guy's name? He plays Ari Gold. Rona. No. Jeremy Piven is in it. Jeremy Piven? He plays Ari Gold. Rona. Jeremy Piven is in it. He plays like the bully. Why do I think it's got Charlie Sheen in there, Lucas? He might be. It might be Matt Dillon or Charlie Sheen.

So now we've gone from Scott a child after this because I was going to say quickly that I, so there was a guy from Brampton who's a little younger. He's probably your age as a matter of fact, who was in Superbad. What's his name? He's from Brampton who's a little younger. He's probably your age, as a matter of fact, who was in Superbad. What's his name? He's from Brampton, Ontario.

What's his name? Michael. Michael Sierra. Yeah. Michael Sierra. He's Canadian? Yeah, he's from Brampton. I didn't know he was Canadian.

Arrested Development. He's fantastic. And Juno. I'm going to drop this bomb on you in case you don't know somebody went to high school out of the four of us with russell peters oh wow yeah was that fun did you guys like smoke cigarettes behind the portables together he got kicked out of my school like a year in so and then he went to another school which is uh just down the road but i mean rus Russell through his brother very well. Did he get kicked out for being hilarious?

He got kicked out for not coming to school. That's not a laughing matter. But honestly, yeah, Russell was a very funny guy, probably the funniest person I remember at the time, the time that I knew him. So he's a fantastic guy too. At some point he was funny is what you're telling me. You know what I think is funny?

You guys are talking about all this shit. Everyone's saying how awesome the Hardware They Come soundtrack is. There we go. I'm trying to come back to that. I just couldn't find it. Well, you know who else covered Pressure Drop? What is the spectrum of artists? In his own way.

Keith Richards. You ever heard of him? Yes. Great Izzy Stradlin. Wow. Robert Palmer, and also the specials cover that. Of course, of course. There you go.

Makes sense. There you go. Did we tell the listenership that we're only kicking out three each? I don't know if we ever specified that, but we're going to kick out three jams each because there's four of us. And if you do the math, that brings us to 12.

I hope I'm right on that. I do want to just take a moment here before I kick out three jams each because there's four of us. And if you do the math, that brings us to 12. I hope I'm right on that. I do want to just take a moment here before I kick out. Well, you know what? Let me kick out my second jam and then we'll take a moment before we kick out Brother Bill's second jam. So here I am. I'm in love with the second wave. Here we go. Mirror in the bathroom?

I wouldn't have thought of this as scar, so that's interesting. It is scar. It is total. Mirror in the bathroom, please talk free. The door is locked, just you and me. Can I take you to a restaurant that's got glass tables You can watch yourself While you are eating Here in the bathroom I just can't stop it

Every Saturday you see me Window shopping Find no interest in the racks and shelves Just a thousand pieces of my life Now this is a band I grew up referring to as the English Beat. And then I was educated and informed that that's only here. In England, they just call it them the Beat. They were the Bushacks. Yes. Australia known as the British Beat.

Right, right. I don't know why. The British beat. Right, right. I don't know why. The BB. The BB. Again, you know, you talk about albums. We mentioned that that first specials album being great front to back. That's the debut album from the English beat from 1980 called I Just Can't Stop It. Sorry, Mike.

I know it's going over your notes here. No, actually, I would rather you took it. Take the ball and educate me. Talk to me about the beats. I was just going to say that that album, Front to Back, is fantastic. That's the first song on the album. That was a huge song for CFNY as well in 79, 1980, when it was released. And I just wanted to, I don't want to forget this.

So I want to tell you a quick story. So the first big band, if you will, big concert, I went to see a punk rock show that was my first like club show but my first official big concert was at kingswood music theater and it was with the english beat and bow wow wow wow and and it's the second ever it was the second ever this how old i am it was the second ever show at kings how old I am. It was the second ever show at Kingswood Music Theatre. The first show was Cam's favorite, Anne Murray. And then the English beat Bow Wow Wow.

So keep in mind, this was the second show ever there. So they weren't prepared for a bunch of ska punk kids coming to see a rock concert. So we had like, remember, do you guys remember Kingswood? Do you remember what it was? Of course. I saw a great alternative artist, Soul Asylum there. Oh, great. There you go. You were calling them grunge.

Yeah, grunge, my bad. But remember they had the seats and then they had the grass very similar to the Molson Amphitheater, whatever they call it now. And I remember being up in the grass very similar to the Molson Amphitheater, whatever they call it now. And I remember being up in the grass. And as soon as the Bow Wow Wow concert, they were the first band on. As soon as they came on stage, everybody rushed the stage. And they ran these people like the security guards were like arm and arm trying to stop

everybody. And everybody just ran right through them. And I hope they survived but and that's the first show i remember but the beat were like phenomenal it was absolutely amazing i feel like alan cross mentioned this when he was just on your show how how many incredible shows happen at kingswood over the years was that him who mentioned yeah he did he talked about the eclectic nature of the acts that would play there for sure there's a famous photo i'll try to drop in the chat window of a very young morrissey wearing shorts and billy

bragg backstage at kingswood from like why did they stop doing shows there well this is when i worked at wonderland um they i remember there was one summer they just did I think it was like 96. They just stopped doing shows for whatever reason. I think it was because the Molson Amphitheater opened. I think that's exactly what it was. The Molson Amphitheater opened up and that just cannibalized it. So what? Can't you still book like Keto or something else?

Here's who I saw in the 1980s at Kingswood. I saw Depeche Mode there twice, I think. I saw The Cure there. I saw thepeche mode there twice i think i saw the cure there i saw the english beat bow wow um i saw talk talk god who else all right that's the ones that stand out so they had a lot of shows i remember i had to introduce uh there was an iggy pop b52 show there in the 1990s and i got there and there were 50 people in the crowd I don't have no idea why wow but I had to introduce Iggy Pop and like he's standing side stage with me and he's like

well it doesn't look like they promoted this one very good did they and I'm like was this the roar tour it was like an acronym it was like an alternative rock tour the roar tour that was like a very infamous yeah I remember this I was i was working there at the time there was no one there yeah yeah there was nobody there it's speaking of no one there speaking of no one there we talk often about uh you know the police playing horseshoe tavern and there's like nine people there or something when the gary's presented that and i bring that up because uh walt in the chat is bringing up the fact that the English beat, or the beat if you will, they played the police picnic back in 81 in Oakville.

That was the specials, wasn't it? He says the specials were also at that police picnic. I feel like it was different years because police picnic I feel like they did a version that was at the C&E too. So Walt, you're going to have to double check your facts here. The one that was in Oakville was

the specials and was supposed to be the Clash too, but the Clash pulled out for some reason. Elvis Costello, I think, was on the... You know who we need to have here right now is Ivor Hamilton, who is like the Ska God as far as First Wave goes and his memory as far as all of these shows goes.

Send him the fucking link and see if he'll pop on. i feel like okay i feel like the class cam headline i was gonna say cam headline the chin picnic bikini contest only the bikini call me lombard was it tony johnny johnny johnny lombardi like his big thing was chin and he'd stroke his chin like he'd worked the gimmick. I'm telling you, I worked because I was working at the X, and the same guys who owned the Game Booth had a pizza place at the chin picnic. And I'm telling you, that bikini contest was so epic. I can't believe that was allowed to go on, like the good old days almost. You could never get away with that today.

Am I right? And Mike, what was your sixth place or so you did okay in the field of uh 20 hey is it tmlx7 a bikini contest oh i just remembered sheila won't be at tmlx7 and i got very sad there for a moment here so we'll need some scott to cheer me up here but uh i'm just reading here i know i can tell you something that would cheer up everybody my first show ever at Kingswood Theater second row you guys sitting down yeah Billy Ocean

whoa Caribbean Queen that's a big show you were older than your years yes Billy Ocean no get out of my dreams get into my car Older than your years. Yes. Billy Ocean. Now is he Scott? No. Get out of my dream.

He's Trini. Yeah. Get into my car. Not far. Okay. Mike is a heads up. Oh, there is horns. There are horns in Get Into My Car.

For sure. If Ivor shows up, I'll let him in, of course. I just want to let you know. And before I kick out, maybe this is a good moment to pause, just for a brief moment. So before I kick out, maybe this is a good moment to pause just for a brief moment. So before I kick out a brother Bill's second jam, I want to thank a few people. Great lakes send over the fresh craft beer. I can't wait till I have guests in the backyard again, and I can give everybody a six or an eight pack of a great lakes.

Thank you. Great lakes beer. What was the woman's name who started up chart magazine? What was her name again? I think her name was Nada, Nada or Nadia. What was her woman's name who started UpChart magazine? What was her name again? I think her name was Nada. Nada or Nadia. What was her last name? Yeah, Nada. What was her last name?

I would say Swarovski or Skarkovi or something. That sounds right. And Edward Skira. The first time he told that story, which was a wonderful story, I thought it sounded like lasagna. So, I'll fix this in post as well, okay?

But if you want delicious, fresh... We're going by memory here. Did it make you think of Garfield or Palma Pasta? Palma Pasta. They catered Morgan's fifth birthday party on the weekend. Wow, what a get. It was awesome. She loves the penne with rosé sauce.

Most kids want like a magician or like a Dora the Explorer. Your kid wants panna pasta. She wanted the penne with rosé sauce. That's what she loves. But when I ordered that, for some reason it arrived with, yes, the penne arrived for Morgan.

She was delighted, but it also came with some veal parmesan and some lasagna. Wow. They were going to throw it in the garbage. They figured, let's just send it to Mike. I just picture Mike giving Morgan a giant gift box. She opens it. It's like a six-pack of octopus wants to fight

a fucking sticker you. Like two sticker you stickers. Like a Ridley Funeral Home bee. Shout out to Ridley Funeral what what what a what a wonderful organization and if you ever have it if you ever need to talk to somebody for whatever reason you need to talk to somebody about uh anything brad jones at ridley funeral home i think he'd be into ska, actually. Ska is actually good music when you actually dig in and, you know...

Stu fucking Stone, why do you not do your homework like I do? First of all, I do my homework. You don't do any homework like Russell Peters in high school. You tee it up so that Brother Bill

carries the load for you. That's true. But I do the homework on... I learned about the three waves, and I learned about the music in each of the waves, and I decided, I realized which wave I actually like, and I picked... Katrina and the waves.

Walking on the Sunshine. Do they have a second hit? That's part of it, yeah. Do you need a second hit when Walking on the Sunshine is your song? I just can't think off the top of my head have a second hit? They were. Do you need a second hit when Walking on Sunshine is your song? I just can't think off the top of my head of a second Katrina and the Waves song. I'm sure there are some other hits. I just don't know them. All right, so I'll just wrap up very quickly.

They got much money. Whoever wrote that must have made a ton of money. I feel like it's like something crazy, like Prince. It's not, but it's like somebody. I'm going to look it up. You guys can carry on. Yeah, for sure. Okay, let me. It's a ton of it's like somebody... I'm going to look it up. You guys can carry on. Yeah, for sure. It's a ton of them. Yeah, you're right. I think that's actually a cover.

I think it's a cover. Interesting. Walking on Sunshine? Yeah, it's a cover. I didn't know that. This should have been kicked out during... It's like toots. It's like when Stu was conflating things because he remembered of course

the tide is I'm looking it up don't worry the tide is high is the song you were thinking of that's actually a cover of an older and some people are surprised what the fuck Kimberly Rue

wrote the song who is a rock singer yeah they wrote the song it's their song good for them that's why we haven't heard from them since wrote the song who is a rock singer who is she's yeah they wrote the song it's their song it's their fucking song yeah okay that's why we haven't heard from them since they retired they retired on it here so okay by the way it went

to number one walking on sunshine in zero countries oh what was it blocked by like a Michael Jackson song or something how about this in Canada it sold 10,000 units. No. Perfect. Yes. And Radio played it

a million and a half times. I don't even think that can't be true. I feel it would have sold 10,000 in Brampton alone. Dolly Parton did a cover of it in 96 that Cam likes. Trust me, Mike. No one's walking on sunshine in Brampton. Nobody.

Gents, I'm ready to kick out another brother, Bill Jan, but I just want to tell you that Mimico Mike is ripping up the Mimico real estate scene. His motto is... Tearing it a new A. Tearing it a new... Get in that asshole, Larry. Get in that ass.

Whoa, whoa, whoa. In the know in Mimico. That's Curb Your Enthusiasm. Having the O's all over South Etobicoke. Making an O in South Etobicoke. O, O? He puts the O. that's that's curb your enthusiasm if you should having the o's all over south atop making an o in south atop oh oh he puts the o realestatelove.ca if you're thinking of that sounds like an adult website well find out go to realestatelove.ca and find out maybe it is an adult website but i spelt it

luv by accident and it took me to a completely different place. Barb Paluskiewicz, speaking of adult websites, cdntechnologies.com. Reach out to Barb. You can also phone her, 905-542-9759. They have this penetration test, which sounds really dirty in itself. Holy.

They might want to rename that one. Phil Hong came up with that one, didn't he? That's Phil. The penetration test is like, is it in? I heard Humble and Fred today. Phil Hong came up with that one. Maybe. Anything's possible over there at CDN Technologies.

But if you're looking to outsource... What kind of test is this? If you're looking to outsource your... Yeah, the Elvira costume is what you can see on the... But if you're looking to outsource your uh yeah the elvira costume is what you can see on the but if you're looking to outsource your it department talk to barb uh she'll take care of someone who has speaking as someone who has taken the penetration test with barb it was very easy it was very easy it was very cool it was very calming relaxing and that felt great afterwards all right right, brother.

Here's what I say. I say you get your ass to stickeru.com. You order a bunch of these cool Ska logos and Ska images. You order them as stickers and decals. Just surround yourself with the happiness of Ska. Thank you, stickeru.com. Are you ready for your second jam, brother? Yes, sir. Get up in the morning

slaving for bread, sir so that every mouth can be fed Oh oh me Israelite, sir Get up in the

morning slaving for rest So that every mouth Can be saved Oh Oh Be Israelite Wipe on my kids Step back up and not leave me

Darling she said I was yours to receive Oh Oh Be Israelite Nice. First wave of Scott. Is that, like, that's not just reggae? That's a good question. I would say that's probably a, that's that crossover song.

It probably could be considered a reggae song or a Scott song. But Desmond De decker the guy who uh who came up with that who wrote that and uh released that in 1968 a song called israelites um he was kind of one of these guys that was really yeah he he was he was both reggae and ska at the same time and you could argue that that's a reggae song as well. But I think with the backing vocals especially, it makes it more like of a ska. And of course, that cha-ching, cha-ching, cha-ching sound

is very ska-like, whereas reggae, it tends to be a little slower than that. The song Israelites, Stu, I know you are a MOT. It's based on, well, actually, they actually did call it a reggae song. And it went to number one in the UK, number nine in the US and Canada. I always thought when Decker died, I was reading that this was the very first reggae song to cross over. It was. There you have it.

Yeah, the song is said to have been lyrically inspired by the Rastafarian religion. And Stu, here you go. And their association with the 12 tribes of Israel. Obviously the Frankie goes to Hollywood song. No, the 12 tribes of Israel. Do you know what that's all about, Stu? I'm not that familiar with it other than like there is definitely like a movement. And like when you go on Venice Beach, there's these guys that like dress up like in sort of like superman 2 bad guy sort of outfits and they

they hand out pamphlets and there's a whole recruitment thing going are they rastafarian yes there is definitely there's definitely like a rasta like hebrew movement that like yeah it's it's kind of the the real intertwining the intertwining of the two religions is kind of interesting like i did a little bit of research on the 12 tribes of israel so and you can correct me at any time stew um but jake is it jacob aka israel means the same thing it's the same word right jacob and israel i'm gonna take your word for it. Okay. So let me get Ben Mergey on the call. Hold on. I'll get Ben Mergey. Hold on. So Jacob had a number of children, 12 specifically, and they all started their own tribe and became the 12 tribes of Israel. That's a really vague, and I apologize for if I'm not a hundred percent. It's very similar to the Wu-Tang Clan origin story.

Sure. Not quite, but sure. This guy, Jacob, who he basically fathered all these children. Some legitimately. Same baby mama? No, different ones, including some he wasn't married to.

Just saying. I'm not trying to throw any sand on anybody. Jacob the snake. Brother Bill. He took the penetration test a few times. Brother Bill, correct me if I'm wrong, but Morrison, that is a Jewish name, right? Morrison. Oh, it's about as Hebrew as it comes, for sure.

Yes. Scottish Hebrew. The son of the son of morris the son of morris which is scottish based but i'm actually english anyway no i'm just fucking with you brother back to desmond decker uh so he was one time at one point signed to stiff records which was this label out of the uk that actually also had the two-tone label. They were under the Stiff Records umbrella as well at one point. Unfortunately, he's one of those guys that,

and you hear this too many times in the music industry, listen to some bad advice. I think of Leonard Cohen when I talk about bad management, losing his money, having to claim bankruptcy, you know, and start all over again like Leonard had to do, unfortunately. So Desmond Decker. Luckily that soprano's theme song came around for him. I was going to say he got fucked over because he wasn't on Tears Are Not Enough.

Like that would have been the big deal for him. How was he not on there? Listen to the fucking episode. That's a good question. How was Leonard Cohen? Anyway, sorry. Is it mentioned in that episode? Just listen to's a good question. How was Leonard Cohen? Anyway, sorry, is it mentioned in that episode? Just listen to, come on.

Cam, tell them to fucking listen to the episode. Yeah, I'll listen to the episode. I did, and it was so fucking forgettable that I forgot what happened with Leonard Cohen. We have a whole Google doc that rebooks the entire fucking production. Leonard Cohen's there. Okay. Buffy St. Marie's

not there. Buffy. Nobody's there. Buffy St. Marie's there uh okay buffy buffy well no nobody's there buffy st marie's there right now i can see you know i've been you know uh men with their hats there yeah you should be there so here's a couple of fun facts before we move on guys israelites by desmond decker the song has been used in a few movies and TV shows as well. Most recently, Israelites was used in the HBO show Watchmen from 2019. I like that song. Sammy Cohen. We all go to the same fucking place.

It's like playing a jukebox. If you watch it, you get free drum lessons. Another thing about Desmond Decker is some say he's the guy that discovered Bob Marley. Because according to rumors anyway, according to some people, there's a lot of rumors in the Jamaican music scene as to who discovered Bob Marley. Because I know I worked with a guy named Hedley Jones back in the day. Hedley's father was a producer. Hedley claims that he worked with Bob Marley in some early days too.

I'm not going to say he didn't. I'm not saying he did. Headley was, you know, up late at night and calling weird phone numbers. Get him on Toronto, Mike. He's around. I see them on Instagram doing shit.

He's in Las Vegas now or Los Angeles. Las Vegas. Anyway, so he claims that, or Desmond Decker, some say he was the guy who discovered Bob Marley because they were both into welding in the 1960s.

Who wasn't? Okay, here's a name I'm pretty sure no one has dropped in all 53 episodes of Pandemic Fridays. Two words, Apache Indian. Oh. Okay, no, you know what? It wasn't on Pandemic Friday, but this summer I played that song. We did, but Cam pronounced it Apache.

I played Mi Wan Gal. Arranged marriage. I played it on a Toronto Mic'd episode this past summer. I apologize, but there you go. Apache Indian actually remixed Mi Wan Gal

in the 1990s. And there you have it. You know where else you can find a great Desmond Decker track? Oh, stop. 007. Yeah, exactly. That's on the Harder They Come soundtrack. Those are the two songs I know from Desmond Decker

is the Israelites in 007 and Shantytown. No, a fucking legend. All right. Elijah, for sure. Shall I set up my next clip? Anything for you, Mr. Stone. I'd like to dedicate this clip.

This is the problematic jam of the week dedicated to Cam Brio, who is a big fan of the problematic jams. I'll tell you why. But, you know, there's this thing

about this band that I'm about to play that sometimes they get a lot of credit or sometimes they get no credit but to me as authentic i'm not putting them in the same category as the specials but i'm saying there is this like authenticity that you hear when you hear the specials that you're like okay this is legit this is real i feel like i hear this band and for what they are and for what they were this is even though it was commercially super successful it still

holds up it's still got like sort of a timeless authentic sound to it in my opinion problematic jam but let's play it spark one up buddy Let me tell you about a girl I know Had a drink about an hour ago Sitting in the corner by herself In a bar in downtown hell

She heard a noise as she looked through the door Inside a man she'd never seen before Light skin, light blue eyes A double chin and a plastic smile Well, her heart erased as he walked in the door And took an empty seat next to her at the bar A brand new car is parked right outside Had you allowed to go for a ride

And she said, wait a minute I have to think, he said, that's fine May I please buy you a drink? One drink turned into three or four. And then something got into his car. And they drove away someplace for fun. Now, babe, the time has come. How'd you like to have a little fun?

And she said, if we could only please be on our way, I would not run. That's when things got out of control. She didn't want to. He had his way. She said, let's go. He said, no way. Come on, babe. It's your lucky day.

Shut your mouth. We're going to do it my way. Come on, baby. Don't be afraid. If it wasn't for day rape, I'd never get laid. I had to let him finish his story. Yeah. Took me a while to figure out finish his story. Yeah. Took me a while to figure out who that was.

Yeah. This is the hugely successful Sublime, who really came out of nowhere, like a freight train on the music industry for a little period of time there. Right in between the grunge movement and the hard rock that came there was like this in between time where like ska existed and sublime did it best in my opinion i mean as far as like

the commercially stuff anyway like i think that their music is way more timeless than mighty mighty boss tones or any of these other sort of acts that you listen to and you think oh that's 90s ska this doesn't sound like. This just sounds like a dope song. They have a lot of great songs. Unfortunately, as we know, Bradley, the singer, he passed on. They ended up evolving into, I think, the Long Beach Dub All-Stars and they still play as Sublime sometimes. I'm pretty sure we saw Sublime at a Lollapalooza at one point or another. If not, I definitely caught them live at some point, but they were huge. This song, Date Rape, about a girl who gets date raped by a man who in turn gets anally raped when he goes to prison for date raping her.

So it's a pleasant tale. Very similar to Rape Me from Nirvana in the 90s. Everybody thought, oh, it's about raping. Well, it's not about raping. It's about victimization. Problematic, obviously, for the sense that pornographic actor Ron Jeremy stars in the music video.

So he's probably, you know, that didn't age well. I think he's dealing with some me too. But yeah, Sublime was a really interesting band because like I said, there's people that shit all over them. Then there's people who absolutely love them. Then there's people like me

who sort of fall in between where like they're part of the music universe that I respect. And I have a couple of their songs that are in my head. But you know, I never like... Stu, were you in California in the 90s? In California, they were...

Because they were huge. Oh yeah. They're massive. K-Rock actually made this song a hit it wasn't even a single this actually this song wasn't even supposed to be on their album it was recorded in 1991 but it didn't become a hit till four years later when k rock just put it on the radio and it became one of the most requested songs k rock was a huge influence i'm not sure if it was an influence on what you guys did at cfmy but i

know in like as far as rock music goes like z100 and k-rock like they brought if they broke an act you were huge it was like yeah exactly no that's i mean yeah for sure k-rock is is internationally known especially that time for doing that but i what year did bradley noel die was it i don't have it in front of me it's like 95 i have it in front of me. I think it was after. I think it was right around. I think it was after Kurt Cobain. Yes, it was. It was.

I know that. But the reason why I ask is because we never, CFNY never touched Sublime until I think after he died. And then we played What I Got. That was a huge song for the Monarch Station. That and then Santeria was your second big one. I remember What I Got all the time. And then Santeria was starting. And then Santeria was your second big one. I remember what I got all the time and then Santeria was starting.

And then Santeria. Okay, so I don't remember Sublime until I moved to Vancouver, the West Coast. And like LA, Sublime was all over the radio. Like five, six different songs. I'm like, who are these guys? And they were massive on the West Coast. Just massive.

I feel like they are a band that is just aged but we talk about this a lot how well does a lot of our favorite 90s stuff age and i i just think because i've done stuff for this on my blog where like those tracks you compare them against all the other great 90s bands and are like way way way up there you know like top 10 kind of biggest alternative songs of the 90s in terms of what people are listening to today like but the legend is sublime and for sure right perhaps it's partially because he passed away and kind of or around that but bigger in death than in life but going uh going back on the israelites for a second is modest yahoo king without a crown a

ska song wow i don't i don't remember it i remember it's like an incredible sort of reggae fusion song i want to say yes his whole gimmick was that he was a rabbi that that did like uh that rapped or sort of did like a reggae style and it wasn't that gimmicky like he was like a big fucking deal yeah he was from LA too. I didn't know he was from LA. Wow. I'm pretty sure he broke in LA. So how about this? Foxfest one year out here in Vancouver was Sublime with Rome

and Public Enemy. Wow. That was pretty cool. That was pretty cool to be backstage with the guys from Public Enemy and Romeome who was rome ramirez i can't remember what band he was in at one time and he of course was trying to be bradley noel and that's just not a smart thing to do if you ask me don't replace the the mastermind behind the band i i always find when the band tours are like a version of their old name is like i think of the

doors of the 21st century where they brought in like ian asbury to replace and credence clearwater revisited yeah credence clearwater revisited well there was something come on from the jam which was the jam less paul weller right that's ridiculous yeah like it's just kind of silly that stuff's ridiculous they should have named the uh the new band of the Guess Who should be Guess Who Else. Guess Who? Because is Burton Cummings not involved? No, not at all.

Neither is... Is Randy Bachman not involved? Nope, not at all. You can't. But they do. Yeah, what was it like, like the roadie for the guitar player, it's his band now or something?

They continue, they continue. I like, I just want to go on the record. I think, yeah, like the roadie for the guitar player? It's his band now or something? They continue. They continue. I like, I just want to go on the record. I think, yeah, like it's something like that. Great choice, Sublime, though. I want to say, yeah, I'm a huge Sublime fan. I've listened to a whole shitload of Sublime in my life, and I quite like that sound, actually.

So I'm glad somebody kicked that out. Some nice Sublime. I love that you're going hard on the third wave, because there's some good stuff there. It definitely sounds better on the West Coast than it does in downtown Toronto, though i sent you i sent you a link mike if we have time i'd love to get their opinion on that one later on i sent you a little link there in the chat well do you want me to do it right now because i'll probably go back to it

okay so you want to know if you know the song and see if it's scott all right uh how did you send it to me uh just in the zoom chat i never have that open okay what other fun things i've i've been missing okay here we go let me play this for everybody here we go everybody meeting us and keep in mind this guy's like a full rabbi with the beard and the whole outfit. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Wow. That's great.

That's good stuff. Wow. Is this done? Wow. I'd say it's more reggae. I think it's reggae. The bass line, kind of that groove. You know, it's not quite as stinted. Ska's more of the almost like a record skipping.

Okay, that makes sense. Cambrio says that's a Ska beat. So he might disagree with this. I'm not that makes sense. Cambrio says that's a ska beat, so he might disagree with this. I'm not going to argue with Cambrio. Walt says it's reggae with ska hints. Yeah, what about Rumble? Where is he?

First of all, where is he? Where the fuck is Rumble? That's what I need to know. Yeah, hear me now. Let me just take a moment. Yeah, let me answer a question from the chat. I think it was Cambrio who was asking about my balls. So let me just share the news. So earlier this week, I went to the clinic to deposit a sample, a semen sample.

How do they get that? Through the penis. The questionnaire has to... No, no, no. No, but there is a questionnaire and it says how did you get your sample masturbation or other like there's two boxes give you a choice other i don't know what i didn't i didn't know what to click i just clicked anyway at that point i hadn't actually created the sample yet but that's like a good like nirvana b-side like like masturbation right right anyway uh the results

came in the next day that there was zero sperm found in my semen i'm officially shooting blanks and yeah so the vasectomy worked is that's a long-winded way of saying the vasectomy your career as an adult film star begins. Oh, is it? Okay. Yeah. Okay. Speaking of that new podcast that Mike was just going to tell us about.

Oh, really? Peter Northears. Oh, in Canadian. Peter Northears. Peter Northears. That's right. Yeah. Canadian Kevin. Calgary in the house.

In the chat says it's a one-time deposit and there's no need to withdraw, he says. Should play like Pay to Come, he says. You should play like Pay to Come, Bad Brains. It all comes back to Bad Brains. I'm excited to kick this out. Thank you so much. That's the update there for Cambrio. Now, Cam Gordon,

can I kick this out? Yeah, for sure. I'm excited to talk about this band okay let's let's bring it down. This was... Stop the music! Stop the rock and roll! There you go. Wait a minute. That was Doug and the Slugs, Vancouver's own. Now, I would say that's not a Ska song,

but I think you could maybe talk me into it. No, that's not Ska. That's bad pop. Too bad. Too bad. Too bad. Making it work. Making it work. Speaking of Mike's issue, making it work takes a little longer.

It works. It just doesn't take any longer. It just doesn't. That's true. Can we dedicate that false start, if you will, to Sam Cohn? I feel like Sammy is a favorite band of all time as Doug and the Slugs. Greatest band of all time, Doug and the Slugs. You're joking, right?

Yes, we are actually joking. He hates me passionately. I don't know Sammy, but I'm like, I don't want to lose respect in a guy before I even meet him. He's the type of guy you can lose respect with. Oh, really? Okay, Stu, I'll take your word for it. It was last week we kicked it out the discotheque is a false start right yeah

that was right for the saint patty stage jams i'm enjoying these false starts do you want your real one cam gordon i fuck yeah Wow! There once was a mob that wanted her There once was a pop that wanted her I know she's confused, she's my blood system So many rules that she's got to shiver Only a town in the middle of a war She's a poppin' town, not because of a diva Hey, my pop, what the hell is wrong with y'all? Hey,

my mom, what the hell is wrong with y'all? Okay. So we're going back to 1988 here. Interesting, like middle ground. I mean, probably the only late eighties ska track we're going to hear the band's

fishbone out of Los Angeles in the song Ma and Pa. I'm trying to think of other... Probably one of the more famous ska-ish bands that kind of debuted in the late 80s. I've got all sorts of fun facts about the band Fishbone, and maybe we'll talk about this song in a second, but they have a weird almost Forrest Gump-type arc where they just showed up in a lot of places.

Now, before we do that, let's talk a little bit about Angelo Moore, their singer. What's the band? What band is it? Fishbone. Fishbone. Yeah, yeah, that's what I thought you said. Yeah. Now, Angelo went to El Camino Real Charter High School

in Los Angeles. And this will be the geography segment. Can you hear that? Okay. I heard it. Which is the same high school as Greg Gaffin and Greg Gerwitz of, I was going to say, Black Flag of Bad Religion, we heard on the Hardcore episode.

Wow. Tiffany Haddish, who I think is like an actress. She's a big deal right now. She's a big deal. Yeah. She's a big deal. She's huge. Yeah, as well as Sky Ferreira and then also Christopher Knight, who played Greg Brady, Peter

Brady. Peter Brady. Which Brady? Peter Brady. Peter Brady. Wow. That's the middle Brady. Tiffany Haddish, that's where Stu's staying. Aren't you staying at her place right now in Sherman Oaks? She doesn't know that. Oh, I see. She doesn't know that.

I think she's in New York right now. I've been tracking. That room is locked. Yes. Wait, is the drummer from Fishbone, what's his name? Not the guy from The Roots. Is this a gimmick?

No, it's not a gimmick. The guy from, I'm saying he's always around in LA. He plays with every band. He's always around. That's Angelo. That's probably Angelo who is this saxophonist and the singer as well. Yeah, he's like around everywhere, like Lethal's friends.

Like he's around in LA all the time. Yeah, well, this band really spanned a few generations. And I mean, we're around prior to kind of the alt-rock thing in the 90s and are still touring to this day. I'm just going to list off a bunch of fun facts where Fishbone showed up. I'm just going to go through these quickly because there's a lot of stuff here. They were in the movie Back to the Beach. I loved it because you got the Gilligans.

I actually absolutely loved that fucking movie love that yeah that's the one exactly i apparently played a song called jamaican ska in that movie if you can believe it because peewee also sings in that movie oh like a cast of like just all sorts of like yeah the gilligan's island people are in there everybody shows up all the greats um the isn't that like a nostalgia that's like that's the equivalent of like that's the equivalent of like some like 90s sequel now like that was like an annette and it was a movie yes i'd be like to say about the reboot a beach blanket yeah frankie avalon and annette funicello beach blanket bingo style right yeah she's no longer with us, I believe. She had multiple sclerosis and passed away. We've lost her.

Angela Moore, the singer, appeared briefly in the 1984 movie Break into Electric Boogaloo. Wow. This is fucking wild. One year later in 1985. You guys remember the Eurythmics, right? How the fuck can we not remember the Eurythmics? You? How the fuck can we not remember the Eurythmics?

You know who you're talking to right now? Okay. Here comes the rain again. It's Vancouver's theme song. Wait. Wait. Are you talking about the Eurythmics that was on the Transformers soundtrack? What?

What could have been discussed in Cam's face? Wrong Eurythmics. Annie Lennox and Dave Stewart, who used to pitch for the Blue Jays, too. Right. The song, Would I Lie to You. Right. I remember it well. Would I lie to you.

Yes, that's a good song. Yeah. That's the Border Patrol song. Right, exactly. Angelo Moore and Walter Kibbe from Fishbone in that video playing brass from 1985. Wow. Interesting. i didn't know that hey stew speaking of border patrol so the border in which the majority of canadian crossings are

happening in that show was pardon me uh what was that was that uh who was that that was uh anyway that border is two minutes from my house it's the um oh It's the, I don't know what they called it in the show. It's called the Douglas Crossing. Well, there's the Douglas Crossing, which is the truck crossing, which is about five minutes from my house. And then there's the other crossing, which is the one with the big white arch that you'd see all the time. Yeah.

And I don't know why I'm having a mind blank. Can I say something about that show? I'm amazed that show has not been canceled in a cultural sense and perhaps canceled in a literal sense. It's still on. I've seen like COVID versions of the show. Well, the Canadian version of it was canceled

because they went to a home in East Vancouver and there was a an illegal uh alien working on a on a house and they busted them and that's exactly what happened they thought it was culturally inappropriate and so they cancelled the whole Canadian production of that show. I just I I'm just amazed some of the things they depict of people you know bringing stuff from Africa or the Caribbean and stuff and and some of the interrog. I'm just amazed some of the things they depict of people bringing stuff from Africa or the Caribbean and stuff and some of the interrogations.

It's just I'm amazed it kind of flies because you see reruns of it. Anyway, Fishbone, three more fun facts. Early episodes of Beverly Hills 90210, apparently all the lockers

at West Beverly High just littered with Fishbone stickers. Wow. Stu, I don't know if you remember this just littered with Fishbone stickers. Wow. Wow. Stu, I don't know if you remember this. This does not ring a bell at all. Are you talking about, are you going to ask me when I was on 90210?

I know when you were on. Were you on 90210? Come on. Seriously? David Silver's friend when they were shopping at the Gap or something. No way. Something like that, yeah. Were you in a scene with David Silver?

Hang on. Sorry, Cam. I was. Oh, my God. Yes, yes. Wow, dude. I am like... The notorious BAG.

Yeah, Brian Austin Green. That's crazy. That's right. That's big deal to me. Let's reel it back in, Stu. WrestleMania 11. Yes. What was the main event?

This is 1995. Is this like Diesel versus like Taker or something? Sure. Was Fishbone like the guest referee? Fishbone was supposed to sing America the Beautiful at WrestleMania 11. Which does not make sense. They were apparently replaced by special

Olympian Kathy Huey. I don't know what her gimmick was, but final fun fact about the band Fishbone. The movie Say Anything, the iconic scene with John Cusack, In Your Eyes, Peter Gabriel. That was originally supposed to be a Fishbone song playing from his boom box.

Wow. The song will turn the other way, which is, I feel like that's just like a totally different cultural... That would not be a meme if that song was playing, I'm sure. Another fun fact is that Fishbone were one of the bands that

performed at Lollapalooza in 1993. Yeah, I mean, they were... I have a fun fact. Can I take a turn? Okay, so I once saw Fishbone at the Molson Amphitheater. They opened for Stone Temple Pilots, who opened for Red Hot Chili Peppers. That was the bill, Fishbone STP and Red Hot Chili Peppers.

That's a great bill. Here's the fun fact. Three rows in front of us was David Boomer Wells with a very attractive blonde woman. Nice. Did you not get my clip, by the way, Mike? Yeah, I do have your clip, of course.

I was waiting for you to... That's where the segue for Lollapalooza 93 Fishbone was on the bill. We should have rehearsed. Okay. So, do you want to introduce it or do you want me to just play it here? No, let me just set it up a little bit. So this is what we were broadcasting live that day backstage at Lollapalooza it's the middle of the afternoon live on the edge and Angelo Moore came

by to have a little conversation with us and the majority of the conversation was evolved around one of the members of the band being kidnapped by a religious sect and they were trying to get him back so I didn't play all of that because it would have taken 10 minutes to play it but at the very end angelo says i have a poem and i'd like to read it to you on the air well here's what it sounded like some of the day some poetry hey man this is my book i got out called a missing link it's dr madvis comprehensive linkology and we give you angelo from Fishbone. Yeah. And it's called The Shrink.

And it's about swimming. And there's the maggots inside the high tide. And there's the high tide rise atop the high rise. And there's a musical thrash pool entranced the jewel

of the monster. Swim, motherfucker. Swim. It was then I had realized that the music would conquer the sea of humanity and its raging waves. It was then I had realized that the music would conquer the sea of humanity and its raging waves.

It was then I had realized that the drool of this monster rewound itself into the gums of shelter. Swim, motherfucker. Swim. It was then I had realized that the gums of the shelter were helter-skelter, making all movement musical, but almost when there was no literal music. The happy nappy is in the sea of reality. Swim, motherfucker. Swim. From the most massive mountain to the most meebly of minuscule squiggle worms, mushrooms, and mites, a spoon of hark spit,

hachtoui, ping, upside a tin can, sitting on the tree stump on Mr. Moore's land. Swim, motherfucker. Swim. But look looking now, and as the microscopic amoeba philharmoniously mushed itself into the spongy cord, wedged itself into the end of the pinpoint,

and at the end of the roach joint, I could only see, but only imagine that music was his life. Swim, motherfucker. Swim. And on that note, Fish from cfny 102.1 that's that sounds like everything i know about angelo moore so i don't remember anything he said other than swim motherfucker

he said all i remember is what it was it's the middle of the afternoon i'm on a commercial radio station there is no dump button and here's a guy yelling swim motherfucker right six six seconds right and that voice that voice we heard was fotm kim hughes right that's kim hughes who i also i think uh you guys was it last week we were talking we're talking a little bit about that pink floyd concert oh right which that young man unfortunately lost his life after it and i had chimed in that uh that happened and also an fotm broke her leg at that pink floyd concert and it was kim floyd and it was kim hughes wow i was trying to figure out there you go fun fact that is the other thing was i was going to say uh cam or sorry stew uh it's the peace arch crossing

and the pacific crossing for the record uh where i am anyway um but that was from 93 that was angela moore and it was just one of many interesting conversations we had that day backstage with some of these artists. Because back in the 90s, the majority of them didn't want to have anything to do with doing any media or anything. And they never took it seriously. And Fishbone were just bizarre people. They really were.

And still are. Well, I have a friend named Mike who saw Fishbone. I don't even know when this was. He saw them in, I believe, Waterloo. And he said the concert ended after about one and a half tracks, and Angelo Moore just jumped in the crowd and started kicking

the shit out of someone, and they just cancelled the concert. Wait, Mike Grigotsky told you that? No, no, no. This is not an FOTM, Mike. I'm glad you mentioned Mike Grigotsky, because somebody in the chat had a great idea, and that is that whenever Cam does his geography segment, it should be sponsored by

Gregotsky's company, Esri Canada, has a geography podcast. Really? Hey, Walt. Yeah, we need to go to Gregotsky and get Esri Canada to sponsor the geography segments of the Pandemic Friday episodes.

Or like the Outdoor Channel or something. Since the idea came up, well, I think we split that four ways. The Gwagoski money. Let's talk to Gwagoski first and see if there's any money in the banana stand

before we continue there. We can edit this part out, but where's the dog? It's not my dog, but where's the dog? Who has the dog? It's not my dog, but Tiffany Haddish has a dog. Oh, okay. I'm hearing a dog, and I'm like, where's this dog coming from? I keep muting because Tiffany's dog is out of control. It adds to the charm here.

Okay, my final jam. Here we go. Hey, you! Don't watch that. Watch this! This is the heavy, heavy monster sound! The nuttiest sound around! So if you're coming off

the street, and you're beginning to feel the heat, well, listen, buster! You better start to move your feet to the rockinest, rock-steady beat of madness One Step

Beyond One step beyond All my jams today came from the second wave, the two-tone, if you will, wave of Ska. And this is Madness, of course, One Step Beyond. And when I think of this, I think I kicked out all the jams that are like the first thoughts I have when I think of Ska. I think I kicked them all out today. But this to me is like a necessary jam if you're going to kick out your favorite Ska. What was your first jam again, Mike?

Okay, I should know it off the heart. Second, what was the English beat? The specials, Message to You, Rudy. Okay, so each and every one of your jams come out of the UK. Yep. Madness are from West London, which is where my family's from, big Chelsea supporters. So they, and then of course the English people from Birmingham and Birmingham

and, and specials are from Coventry, which is in the Midlands as well. Interesting though, those three cities because that was pretty much the heart of Ska in the United Kingdom was those three cities. It kind of started in the central area, Birmingham and Coventry, and then Madness came along. And that's the first Ska song I ever heard was One Step Beyond. And that's all he says through the whole song is One Step Beyond. I'm not sure. Is it a cover?

Yeah, it's a Prince Buster song. Oh, it is. Oh, you mentioned that earlier, Cam. I apologize. That's right. I remember there was a Toronto band called One Step Beyond in the 90s. Do you remember this? They would play at the Cameron House and stuff.

Yes, I do remember them. One Step Beyond. They were like... Like a Gypsy Soul type band. Sure, yeah, yeah, yeah. Were you a part of the chats we were having about... On the dogs on stage. ...King's Apparatus and some of that great Toronto...

And then what was the fun fact you shared, brother? About... I'm sorry. King's Apparatus. King Apparatus were a band from Newmarket. Yeah. They were like the 90s big ska band in Canada, along with Meemom and Morgent morgan taller and i want to say the

planet smashers but i think they were after yeah they were like a montreal band right yeah montreal as well i feel like they sort of almost bled into almost the warp tour crowd where they were yeah king apparatus made one of our new music search discs one year. They had quite the following for a little while. Matter of fact, I got to drop this. If you want to see what they look like at Molson Park and Barrie, because they played one of our Canada Days, you can just Google or go to YouTube and put in King Apparatus Canada Day,

and you'll find the Molson Park performance because it was televised. I think YTVTV YTV were same ownership as the Edge at the time but the leader of King Apparatus this is the fun fact the leader of King Apparatus is now in the English beat he's the guitar player

go ahead Cam no I was going to say I remember someone mentioned some ties between like english beat in the present day right and canna that was that's what it is that's the guitar player who was the singer right these are the singer guitarist i think the guitarist with king apparatus too is in the english beat now and and and i'll tell you something i saw the specials i told you they were great a few years ago also a few years ago i saw the news. I told you they were great. A few years ago. Also a few years ago, I saw the new version of the English beat without ranking Roger. God bless his soul.

He died a few years ago. It was just Dave Wakeling and this guy from King apparatus. And man, they were horrible. They were just frigging terrible. And you know what it's like when you, you're really pumped to see a show and it's a band you maybe grew up with and you get a chance to see them and you're totally stoked.

And it's just like the biggest disappointment ever. The feeling you get. That's like the Smashing Pumpkins shows 20 years ago. Yeah, 2000. But they redeemed themselves on their last tour. Right. Did they? They did.

I have the same opinion as stew on this one you know who's another famous longtime gta ska band uh scott face scott face wow i totally forgot about that yeah i remember dickie barrett probably at eden fest gave them a shout out saying how he was a big scott face fan same era i think is king apparatus i so i believe the satellites they they fan. Same era, I think, as King Apparatus, I believe. The Satellites, they were more like a reggae band. They were reggae. And there was the Hopping Penguins. Oh, wow. Like a bar band. I feel like they played

Chicken Deli or something. I don't know. Which one is the Satellites? Did they sing like, everybody knows the world is full of stupid people. Oh, that was the Refreshments. That's the refreshments.

The refreshments. Not to be confused with the Georgian satellite, too. Keep your hands to yourself. Or the replacements. Don't tell me no lies and keep your hands to yourself. That's right. That was on the cocktail soundtrack, I think. Okay, so King Apparatus, just before...

All my rowdy friends are coming to watch some Monday Night Football. Before we leave King Apparatus, just before... All my rowdy friends are coming to watch Monday Night Football. Before we leave King Apparatus, I just want to say, if you're not sure who's that band or whatever, you know the song Made for TV. CFNY played Made for TV and Much Music played it all the fucking time too. Non-Stop Drunk, Non-Stop Drinking was a big song by them

as well. Yeah, that's right. They had their time, man. They did some shows they did they got some opening slots like uh what was the geez sorry out of mind blank the band you just mentioned cam um it's not satellites it's not satellites the other one one no the other one uh no good drop they dropped there too scoff face right okay yeah toronto institutions kind of got like good bills with some of the ska bands coming through uh at the time and and you know skies sky in canada kind of came and went pretty quick it wasn't really big for too long but then again

that third wave with the exception of the bands like no doubt and stuff really kind of came in and then just disappeared well there was the label i think it's on montreal bump bump records that i think did planet smashers and all that stuff and i feel like there's a ska festival i want to say it was in victoria someone in the comment section will probably know there is a big big ska festival that happened in victoria and i can't remember the name of it yeah i sort of remember that brother are you ready for your final jam here and since we're in canada let's stick with the canadian band let's let's do it I just got out of jail today So I thought I'd go down the Bastry way Send the gear on a market stall

For I got my wares to one and all Life of crime Life of crime I really love this Life of crime Life of crime Okay, that's a tricky one. I'm going to throw this at Cam, see if he remembers who that was.

A Canadian band. Okay, was that the band one? No. West Coast band, second wave of ska. Third Wave. Is that Second Wave? Okay. See, I don't know this at all. I don't know this song.

So like from Vancouver or something? Yeah, from Vancouver. Originally from the UK but moved to Vancouver. I don't know why but they did. They were called the Villains. Oh, no. Is that Ring of Bell at all? No. Wow. Okay. So they were part of

Vancouver's two-tone movement that pretty much featured the Villains. They're really, I mean, I went looking. There really isn't a big two-tone or ska movement that came out of Vancouver other than these guys.

And they were originally, like I said, they was formed in the late 70s in the UK. But I have a feeling because of the success of the likes of the specials in English Beat and Madness, they didn't feel that they could get any sort of attention over there. So for some reason, they ended up in Vancouver. And then here's a little fact for you. reason they ended up in vancouver and then here's a little fact for you in 1980 while performing a show here the band was actually arrested on stage still you can relate to this arrested on stage and thrown in jail because a couple of members of the band didn't have proper working visas yeah so they were actually booted out of the country,

but then they signed... That happened to me on the set of Married with Children. Are you serious? Like, I don't know if you're telling the truth. David Faustino ratted them out. Right. Did you ever, Stu, though, did you ever work in the U.S.

when you really shouldn't have, legally? No, I came to America the first time without knowing what any of that was. So I auditioned for shows like Married With Children. It was offered roles, but couldn't do them. I ended up going back. I ended up applying for the, you know, O-1 visa. I had to get six visas before I could apply for a green card.

And that's like 15, 20 grand visa. Wow. Six of them and then apply for a green card. Wow. And then now I just have my citizenship. I'm 20 grand visa. Wow. Six of them and then apply for a green card. And then now I just have my citizenship. I'm a dual citizen. Wow. Oh, there you go. So that makes things a little bit easier too.

So yeah, to work in any other country, as we know, you need a permit and it's not cheap to get that permit. So these guys actually on stage, I think they were at the town pump, which was a big club out here in Vancouver in the nineties. And they were actually arrested on stage and think they were at the town pump uh which was a big club out here in vancouver in the 90s and they were actually arrested on stage and booted out but i i probably good for their uh probably good for the band you know what's funny you say that stew because it was the best uh the best what do you call it the best promotion publicity they ever got yeah yeah for sure in the 19 in the early 1980, they had a top 40 hit

called Go Crazy, which wasn't Ska. I don't know if you remember that or not. What were they called again? The Villains? The Villains. No, I've never heard any of it. And Mike, do we have the clip of My Friend? Can we play that?

Okay, so one clip is a minute long and one is 33 seconds long if you want to start oh okay i thought you were going to join them together so i got late i got busy okay because they're i don't know if we can actually use it because one of them is the beginning of the story one's the end well i can just play it back to back really quickly i think the 34 second is beginning so i want to line this up too so you guys remember humble and fred obviously and what they meant to to toronto radio in the 1990s well the humble and fred of vancouver were two guys named larry and willie um and larry and willie are still around willie is on a station

called rock 101 out here now and uh and larry is a host of a show on Jack from noon until one Jack FM out here. And it's all about the it's called jacking up the 80s. And he tells stories about Vancouver and music and that kind of thing. And so this is this is a clip from Larry, who is originally from Newfoundland, but ended up in Thunder Bay and then met Willie and they came to Seafox and we're out here for about 20-25 years and essentially we're the Humble and Fred of Vancouver this is Larry talking a little bit about the villains I remember the guitar player they nicknamed Legs because he was a particularly tall and lanky guy and then there was scotty who was uh on the saxophone uh red-haired dude a very vivacious like group uh incredibly out there anyways uh

flash ahead two years later we were doing the campus crawl at bcit and so we were broadcasting uh broadcasting radio. And I looked over and there's a group of students. There were groups of people wandering all over the campus, kind of getting their bearings on where buildings were and stuff like that. And so one of the groups that came through was a group of people led by this red-haired dude who I recognized as the former sax player of the villains. And so I went, Scotty! And he looked over at me and he

went, how do you know me? And I went, didn't you play saxophone in the villains? He went, yes, I do. Yes, I did. And he was teaching a mechanics course there or something at that point. It's like the most Canadian music industry. You know who he sounds a bit like? I find because I'm listening to these are pretty good pipes that guy has, but he sounds a bit like Mike Richards a little bit to me. Yeah, I can hear that for sure. So that's Larry.

Jim Richards. that for sure so that's that's larry jim richard i i just i just thought that uh i just thought that uh you know the fact that you know these guys we put them on pedestals these musicians and at the end of the day you know like there's probably a ton of musicians that that we listen to now and maybe they weren't the most popular band in the world but you know you really enjoy their music and and who's to say, or they're just a Canadian act or they're just a Canadian act. True Stu. Absolutely.

And now they're working at Starbucks or whatever, you know, just the way it goes. Well, Bill, that's how I met Sammy from the Watchmen. Cause my first day at Twitter, you know,

he was on a sales team at Twitter. You were just like meeting people. And he's like, Oh, I see, you know, Steve on a sales team at twitter you're just like meeting people and he's like oh i see you know steve mclean who used to be the uh reviews editor at chart i guess i added him on linkedin it's like oh yeah no i know steve uh i used to play in a band i'm like oh what maybe have i heard of them he's like oh yeah the watchman i'm like like my jaw hit the ground it's like oh my god right boneyard like all the all the things boneyard tree yeah it's great so so how about this so for a nickname the villain's nickname was ska na na that was kind of cool so that was a that was a top 40 hit i found i already called it up on youtube go crazy that was a canadian top 40 hit. I already called it up on YouTube. Go crazy. That was a Canadian top 40 hit? Go crazy.

It was a top 40 hit for the villains. Their only top 40 hit, and it's not Ska at all. It's like not even, I mean, Doug and the Slugs was more Ska than the villains. Yeah. Go crazy. Very watered down. It's a Ska song when the guy's like, hey, Scotty.

Yeah. What's it gonna be? Close enough. Yeah. I know what you're talking about you want to queue up your uh final jam you and me in the bottom extreme scotty hey i think that's swing i think uh that's yeah uh all right uh your money stew your money your money you don't even know it There is a band I'm going to play now That you guys probably, you won't know You won't know this band But there's like an interesting story That's going to come out of all of this

So let's give this a play All I need is a walking cane To guide me on my way All I need is a walking cane To guide me on my way I have to put you in the rain, but I won't be okay Starting over to begin, I'm standing here too strong Never thought I'd ever see at all I stand too tall, but shrink away

I never thought I'd feel as good as the way I feel today So I'm going away Cause things aren't quite going my way Alright. So, you might be wondering, who is that? That's Moxie Curtis. That is a band called The Hippos. Now, here's an interesting story about The Hippos.

So, I was living in Los Angeles at the time, and this was the ska act that was in our wheelhouse because these were young guys that were around our age that were playing up and down the Sunset Strip. They eventually got a record deal, and they ended up releasing three albums, and they were very popular, especially in the college circuit at UCLA and USC.

They would be headlining these huge sort a big bar party band yes party band and they got some play on spin on k-rock and they were sort of like found their little niche in that pocket of time and uh i became good friends with the guys in the band a couple of them anyway and their management after like the ska wave sort of ended, their management was sort of pushing them in like a Weezer direction. And it was put the horns down and it's more about the Moog now. And the guy who was the horns player and band leader sort of for like the horn section of the band is my buddy Danny. He was sort of made obsolete at that point because they like want the record label was like, we're not going to put this out if you keep the horns going. the record label was like, we're not going to put this out if you keep the horns going.

So he sort of went to play Moog, and then he sort of became the band's manager, because there was sort of disarray. Anyway, the band ends up disbanding in 2002, and I get wind of it. And I'm starting a band at that point. And so I get Danny to join my band. So in my band, now I have for some reason a trombone player. Wow. And we're doing this thing and he's having a great time and he's sort of getting more into the management stuff.

And we actually started playing shows up and down the strip also. This is in the Stone movie? Yes, yes. Wow. So we were playing up and down the strip, doing really well. Danny, one of my great friends, found out he's a hockey player. We started a hockey team together. We won like the championship in LA because I had all Canadians on my team.

And, you know, we just became really good friends. And then when I teamed up with Jamie Kennedy and the band sort of was no more, everyone sort of went their separate direction. And Danny stuck with management in the sense that he was like determined to find an artist that he could break. So Danny Ruckusen is the guy's name who was in the sense that he was like determined to find an artist that he could break so danny ruckuson is the guy's name who is in the hippos the horn player that you just heard and i'm going to tell you i'm going to have mike play you pop some artists the artist that he discovered Come on. Wow.

So there is a scar attachment. That's crazy. Is this Billie Eilish? Yes. Billie Eilish. Wow. That dude's rich, man. His client is Billie Eilish.

That's fucking ridiculous. That's crazy. That dude's got some money in the bank now. Dude, he is crushing life. This is a guy that the record label was like, fuck you, we don't want you here anymore. And he's like, all right, I'll make my own my own lane he worked his ass off he had a couple hits and misses but somehow he discovered billy eilish he's been her manager since the beginning three years

ago three years ago i was saw that billy eilish was playing in toronto at the phoenix concert theater i'm sure you're familiar with the phoenix a Surebine. A definite, definite Club 102 type venue. Anyway, so I go, yeah, I'd love to check out your new acts. Like, can you get me tickets?

He's like, no problem. So I go to this show with a couple buddies and we're the oldest people there by like 100 years. It's like all teenagers there. But these,

you could see something was happening here. There was like this, these kids knew every word to every song and they were screaming like it was the fucking Beatles the the whole show i called him after the show i said dan you got something here he's like oh it's like this everywhere i said guarantee you next time she comes back to toronto she's gonna be playing like the air candice center right like she's she's she

i just witnessed something that is magical and he's like from your mouth to god's ear turns out billy eilish blows the fuck up one of the biggest artists in the world yeah and the manager is a guy that was the horn player played scott so eat that scooter braun eat that wow wow that's a great story man there you go that's a killer story that that's how you win that's how you win that wins i think that wins it for stew today that's That's a great story. I mean, again, I'm too old, but fuck, I don't get Billie Eilish at all. I mean, I don't understand that.

I mean, listen, she blew up. Her accountant gets it. Sure, man. Absolutely. Absolutely. And the 14-year-old girls that you were standing with watching that show, they saw something that probably nobody else did and everybody caught on so good on him good on him for for being at the beginning of that

because that's got to be tough like what do i do with this and then all of a sudden it kind of explodes on its own and he just went for the ride too oh my god these guys are making money hand over fist so he's crazy. He's still in LA. Yeah, he's still in LA. He's still her manager. And I think he's probably got a roster that's probably as big as he wants it to be now. This is the room you end up staying in where you are right now? I'm at Tiffany's place.

You should be staying in like, we should be looking all over the Hollywood Hills in the background. He's in like a kennel. Billy Eilish's manager was my horn player. Wow. That's insane. That wins it, Stu. Well done. That's a great story, man. Brother Bill,

Cam Gordon, Stu Stone. Sheila. Well, we dedicate this episode in loving memory of Sheila. Oh, Sheila. Well, we dedicate this episode in loving memory of Sheila. Oh, Sheila. A great FOTM gone way too fucking soon. We're going to miss Sheila. Oh, my God.

You guys were great tonight with the ska. I learned a lot. Enjoyed the jam. So thanks so much for doing this, man. Yeah, that was fun. I think we should open an invitation anytime the brother wants to come in or come around these parts. Oh, don't say that. You'll never get rid of me but thanks guys for having me it was an honor stew to be on the same microphone sort of same show two legends of the airwaves finally i'm serious i've been listening to this before i even came on and i am such a fan of cams and yours

and you know you mentioned You dropped friggin' Brian Austin Green and then you dropped, you were fucking in a band with the guy who manages fucking Billie Eilish. I mean, I don't even know why I'm here. I wish it was Billie Idol, but you know, it's still good.

And him too. He's probably there. Cam, you're great but Stu, hands down, man. Hands down. Got to give it to him. This is true. But thanks, guys. I appreciate it.

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