Toronto Mike'd: The Official Toronto Mike Podcast - Sports Jams: Toronto Mike'd #628

Episode Date: April 24, 2020

Mike kicks out songs that reference sports with Stu Stone and Cam Gordon....

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Ah, it's time to relax. You know what that means. Glass of wine, your favorite easy chair, and of course, this compact disc playing on your home stereo. So go on and indulge yourself. That's right, kick off your shoes, put your feet up, lean back and just enjoy the melodies. After all, music soothes even the savage beast. Welcome to episode 628 of Toronto Mic'd, a weekly podcast about anything and everything. Proudly brought to you by Great Lakes Brewery, a fiercely independent craft brewery who believes in supporting communities, good times, and brewing amazing beer. Palma Pasta. Enjoy the taste of fresh homemade Italian pasta and entrees from Palma Pasta in Mississauga and Oakville. Garbage Day. Weekly reminders for garbage, recycling, and yard waste pickup. Visit GarbageDay.com slash Toronto Mike to sign up now.
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Starting point is 00:01:43 to get the Zoom URL for their virtual open house Saturdays at noon I'm actually hosting the one this Saturday Which I'm nervous about, oh my goodness Okay, so join in and you can throw tomatoes at me Is that your new side hustle? Hosting virtual open houses? This is the first time I think in my life
Starting point is 00:02:02 I've ever hosted something that wasn't Toronto Mike Oh, tell we listen to the show but go ahead i'm mike you know monica laughs at me the way i say i'm mike she goes why do you say it like that i'm mike and it's because i like to do it the same way each time i feel like that's a good thing we're gonna find out because it's a good shtick Mike keep it up I enjoy it I'm Mike from torontomike.com and joining me for this pandemic Friday is Stu Stone and Cam Gordon hello
Starting point is 00:02:35 I'm Stu and I'm Cam and I'm Stu let me tell you something Mike brother you know this is like the sixth and I'm Stu. Let me tell you something, Mike. Brother. You know, this is like the sixth or fifth time in a week in a row
Starting point is 00:02:52 we've been on the show. At least the fifth, at least. You understand that's like five weeks we've been shut down. Time is going by so fast. It feels like I was just talking to you guys yesterday. I know. I think just talking to you guys yesterday. I know.
Starting point is 00:03:07 I think it's the opposite, frankly. I don't know. I've been eating a lot of Palma pasta. Eating a lot of Palma pasta, drinking a lot of beer, plastering stickeru.com stickers everywhere. But here's the big question, because this is the first episode we've recorded since a new sponsor
Starting point is 00:03:25 joined the fray. And this question is not only for you, Cam, and for you, Stu, but I want to introduce that there are two FOTMs. How do we say, sitting in the waiting room? Like, they're here, but they're primarily muted. But I want to say hi to them. Firstly,
Starting point is 00:03:42 of course, Ian, not Tim. Okay, I know Stu thinks your name is Tim. But Ian Service, say hi to them. Firstly, of course, Ian, not Tim. Okay, I know Stu thinks your name is Tim. But Ian Service, say hi. Good to see you, Tim. Looking good, Tim Dog. Hello, Ian. Good day.
Starting point is 00:03:54 Happy Friday. Happy Friday to you, sir. Today, Ian wearing a red shirt to clash with his pink walls. Yep, yep. But he's still going to wear a sweater because it's cold down here, despite all the insulation. Despite all the insulation. You're doing a terrible job over there. Yep. Yep. But I still got to wear a sweater because it's cold down here, despite all the insulation. Despite all the insulation. You're doing a terrible job over there.
Starting point is 00:04:08 Yep. It's cold down in my basement, but here I am in a t-shirt. Actually, I'm wearing a Twitter t-shirt, but we'll talk about that. I want to say hi to somebody who's joining us for the first time. She begged me for the Zoom URL and she pleaded with me. I said, no, no, this is an exclusive event. She said, please, please, please. And I'm a softie at heart.
Starting point is 00:04:28 I'm a very nice guy. And I said, here you go. Hello to FOTM. Lieve Fumka. What? Lieve Fumka. Fumka. Lieve Fumka.
Starting point is 00:04:41 Yes. Hi, everyone. Thank you for allowing me in. I'm a softie, like I said. But you know what? Juan is not allowed on. So Juan is in your isolation pod and he can't get the Zoom URL.
Starting point is 00:04:56 And to clarify, that's Juan Guzman is actually waiting in the wings just hanging out. I love Guzman. That's not Juan Benitez. Don't be fucking ridiculous. Just stop it. So thanks for joining just hanging out. I love Guzman. That's not Juan Beniquez. Don't be fucking ridiculous. Just stop it. So thanks for joining us,
Starting point is 00:05:11 Levi Fumka. And anytime, you can say anything you need to throughout the episode. Like Ian, you can as well, but of course, this is the Cam Gordon and Stu Stone. Mr. Wonderful Paul Orndorff? I saw, who did I see? Was it Paul Orndorff? I saw, who did I see? Was it Paul Orndorff played,
Starting point is 00:05:26 was against Hulk Hogan at the main event there, the Hulkamania at the exhibition stadium. Is that the only time you ever went to a wrestling show in your life? Because that seems to be the one wrestling memory you draw upon. No, but I've been in my life less than five. Every other event I went to was at Maple Leaf Gardens.
Starting point is 00:05:42 Do you remember any of the guys that were at those shows? It just seems like that main event, what was it called, the main event I went to was at Maple Leaf Gardens. Do you remember any of the guys that were at those shows? It just seems like that main event, what was it called? The main event? The big event. Hulkamania. That one's in my head because it seemed like it was going to a Stanley Cup final. It felt big because it was a really big card
Starting point is 00:05:59 and it just felt like that was a special event where the others were just regular cards. That was before. I think they just had WrestleMania at that point. Like they didn't have survivor series and summer, the summer slam, um, other,
Starting point is 00:06:14 I'm trying to think what the other events are Royal rumble, but it was a big deal to me. And I was like, I don't know, 12 or 13. I don't know. It just, that was a big one.
Starting point is 00:06:22 So that's why I referenced it a lot. Thank you. So it's my show. It's my fucking show. I can reference it as much as I want. Hey, I just want to make sure that the fans know that that's your wrestling go-to reference. Yeah, it is. I got the Andre
Starting point is 00:06:34 the Giant mug behind me because he was wearing the mask as one of the machines. But we all knew it was him. From Japan. Right. How's your wrist healing up there Ace
Starting point is 00:06:49 who is it Orton who's the guy with the cast in wrestling Cowboy Bob Orton Cowboy Cowboy Bob Ace Orton Jr right okay second generation star his son is a wrestler as well Randy Orton Jr. Right. Second generation star.
Starting point is 00:07:05 His son is a wrestler as well, Randy Orton. Yeah. The RKO. Wow. Okay, so to answer the risk question real quick, and then I got to get to the garbage date before we forget, but I got an x-ray on Wednesday morning. That's two mornings ago.
Starting point is 00:07:19 And they said it was healing well, and it wasn't displaced, and they were happy. So two more weeks in this cast, this wonderful $70 fiberglass cast, and then I'm going to get some kind of wrist brace. So I think in two weeks, if it doesn't hurt like hell, I might try to go for a little bike ride. Amazing. Wow, just getting right back.
Starting point is 00:07:41 No metaphor needed. Getting literally back up on the bike. And that ties in nicely with Cam Gordon's t-shirt, which we'll address in a moment. But I want to ask you all putting you on the spot. Have you gone to garbage day.com slash Toronto Mike and signed up for the weekly reminders to help the show? Like tell us one by one.
Starting point is 00:08:03 I want to hear your voices. Have you done so yet? No. But I live in a condo, so garbage day is every day for me. I live in a condo and I still did it just because of Mike.
Starting point is 00:08:17 Thank you, because it helps the show. Exactly. I feel like we help the show plenty, so she's got to do a little bit more than us. We're doing our part. Ian Service, have you gone to
Starting point is 00:08:31 garbageday.com slash Toronto Mike and signed up yet? I haven't had a chance. Can you explain to us since like three out of four, since 75% of the people in here didn't do it,
Starting point is 00:08:41 why don't you explain to us what it is? Well, essentially, Garbage Day, and again, you in a condo, I'm not sure, but you should do it. Why don't you explain to us what it is? Well, essentially garbage day. And again, you in a condo, I'm not sure, but you should do it anyway, like Lieve Fumpke. Garbage day ends the guesswork related to the collection of waste and recycling.
Starting point is 00:08:55 So you don't have to, you subscribe, you don't got to worry about missing a collection or trying to figure out what bin to put out. Are they doing the yard waste this week? Is this the Christmas tree pickup day? Have they switched it up due to COVID-19? All the guesswork's out of it. You get an elegant, you can do text or through the app.
Starting point is 00:09:13 It's an easy way to keep up to date with all the curbside activity from garbage to recycling to the green bin to the Christmas tree to the yard waste. So how does it help you, though? Other than telling you when your garbage is getting picked up. Well, that's the primary purpose of the app. No, no, I mean, how does it help your show, I'm asking? Like, do they give you a dollar for every click or something? Yeah, they sponsor the show, Stu.
Starting point is 00:09:37 You don't know how this works? Well, that's huge. I didn't know that. That's huge. Now that I know that, I will do that. And Mike, to clarify, they'll pick up things like trays from Eden lasagnas from Palma Pasta maybe Camp Ternasol pamphlets
Starting point is 00:09:52 will they pick up these items? I'm glad you mentioned Camp Ternasol because the last two years they've been proud sponsors of the program and of course like many many things they're on hold you know what I mean? Camps are one of the many things that have been put on hold
Starting point is 00:10:07 during this terrible pandemic. It's a real concern. My daughter is supposed to go to theater camp for the second overnight camp. Oh yeah, that's not happening. She does too. I'm not holding my breath on either of those, I hate to say. I think it's going to be a long summer.
Starting point is 00:10:23 Well, you know, I might be teaching an acting camp over Zoom this summer for your kid. Is that true? I just made it up right now, but it sounds like there's a need for it. Well, you can sponsor the program in lieu of Camp Ternus, so you could take the spot. I might launch a Zoom program, brought to you hopefully
Starting point is 00:10:39 by Garbage.com, where you can see when the garbage is getting picked up curbside and help out shows like this. i uh introduce the because we haven't yet announced what the theme is of this week's uh pandemic friday jam kicking uh i have the perfect jam that kind of helps us introduce it and i'm hoping stew sings along to this. Is this John Cherry? Let's go. He can shoot.
Starting point is 00:11:21 He can score. John Cherry rap? Is it? It's BKS. Is that the... Which was like Chris Shepard's group, was it not? Like that's on Astroplane
Starting point is 00:11:38 or that's like a Jonathan Richman song. Astroglide. So not like personal lubricants. Chris Shepard, Pirate Radio, AstroGlide. Party people. Hello, Chris Shepard here on Pirate Radio. All right, Zai. This is the new Don Cherry.
Starting point is 00:11:57 Last week I heard Stu drop a line from this jam. He can shoot. He can score. Number four, Bobby Orr. Let's go. Is that coming up? Is that the next verse? I think it is. I think so. Number four, Bobby Orr. Let's go. Is that coming up? Is that the next verse? I think it is. I think so. The read version.
Starting point is 00:12:09 No, no. It's in this one. We can hear that. A little more Don and basically then we'll let Cam. I've decided Cam is the smart one here. He gets to tell us a theme every week. Even though I chose this theme and you could tell me at the end of this episode if it was a good one or not.
Starting point is 00:12:27 It could go either way. Quite the beat here, though. Holy smokes. Where are you, Donny boy? Did much music ever play this as a standalone video? Do we know? I have to call in... Call somebody to find out.
Starting point is 00:12:41 I'm going to say no to that. Okay, yeah. Oh, what a pop. Oh, how she loves the Stanley Cup. Hockey man is what I am. Let's go. Listen, listen to what I say. Play that game the Canadian way. Hockey man is what I am.
Starting point is 00:12:56 Let's go. So, you know, even though he's dancing over the most Euro trash dance music I've ever heard, he's still telling you to play hockey the Canadian way. He didn't say anything about music. Well, it's from the Chris Shepard pirate radio sessions or whatnot here. Chris Shepard, the new Don Cherry. Let's go.
Starting point is 00:13:23 Often imitated, never duplicated. Chris Shepard pirate radio. Let's go. Often imitated, never duplicated. So. Pirate radio. Let's go. So can't. Here's what I am. You know, he's very ahead of his time, Cherry, because now all the rappers say let's go. That's like a major, you know, Miriam knows what I'm talking about.
Starting point is 00:13:41 Oh, you mean leave a thump. Leave a thump. knows what I'm talking about. Oh, Lieve Fumka, you mean? Lieve Fumka? Lieve Fumka, she knows what's up because every single time these rappers now are saying, let's go. The last jam, so Lieve Fumka, fun fact, she kicked out a jam. I do these FOTM,
Starting point is 00:13:55 Kick Out the Jam series. Ian's done it. You guys should do it actually, Stu and Cam. But Lieve Fumka's done it twice. But the second time, first time she did it, maybe the second time?
Starting point is 00:14:04 Yeah, second time. She kicked out a Pitbull jam. She's a big Pitbull fan. I can see Pitbull going, let's go. Famke's done it twice. But the second time, first time she did it, maybe the second time. Yeah, second time. She kicked out a Pitbull jam. She's a big Pitbull fan. I can see Pitbull going, let's go. Yeah. Yeah, Dalai.
Starting point is 00:14:13 She looks like a Pitbull fan. I can see that. Yeah. She likes it a little spicier. A little spicier. Mr. Worldwide. Mr. 305. Yeah. Taking the negative to positive with that man
Starting point is 00:14:26 my dad actually saw Pitbull live in like an airport you may recall he played at the closing ceremonies for games sure did my dad said you know this mad dog I'm quite he was quite good
Starting point is 00:14:41 that's such a dad thing to say and he called Kanye West Kane West. You know, that's what initially he was called Kane West before he was Kanye West. Oh, before they shot him, right? Because he got shot, right? He's the one who got shot, Kanye. No, 50 Cent
Starting point is 00:14:58 got shot. Oh, 50 Cent. Are you sure? Did Kanye get shot? Kanye got in a car accident. Car accident, right. He had the wire like on his jaw like he broke his jaw because he had a song called the wire yeah through the wire through the wire sampling not covering sampling chaka khan's through the wire uh chaka khan's into the fire into the fire right not to be mistaken for sarah mclaughlin's Into the Fire. Which is also not a cover. Fun fucking fact there.
Starting point is 00:15:29 Cam. Cam working blue this Friday. I realized we had done several episodes every Friday without reminding people who you are. I assume now that if you're listening to the Cam and Stu show that you sort of have the baseline premise that you've heard Cam and Stu on Toronto Mic'd in have the baseline premise that you've heard
Starting point is 00:15:45 Cam and Stu on Toronto Mike in the past. Like I've been thinking that's my assumption. Then I realized why am I making that assumption? Somebody might be listening to today's episode and be hearing Stu and Cam for the first time. And that person or those people will be like, uh, who the hell are Stu and Cam?
Starting point is 00:16:02 Are they just buddies of Mike or whatever? So let's just remind people who you are. We'll start with you, Stu, because I'm going to go to Cam last so he can introduce this week's episode. Stu, who the hell are you? I'm Stu. I was on a show called The Edison Twins, which most of you know. It was about these two twins that would try to solve sort of math and science problems by using... Wait, wait, wait.
Starting point is 00:16:25 You weren't on the Edison Twins. I was. Oh, but just one episode? More than you were on. So I was on the Edison Twins, if you would allow me to finish. It's true. You know, I think I had a scene down by the river. They were looking for something down by the river.
Starting point is 00:16:43 I was there. I think that was every episode. I had a few, we had a little couple of exchanges and afterwards the director said I did a fine job. So that's me. And I'm happy to be here. And I'm a friend of Mike's. A friend that I met through Cam Gordon, who is here today. And for those of you who don't know, Cam and I grew up together. We went to high school and Cam was always at least a foot and a half taller than me. Always. Yeah, you guys look funny together, but I need to do a better job of telling people who you are. You directed and star in the Netflix documentary, Jack of All Trades. documentary uh jack of all trades that's also true uh it's not edison twins but it is pretty good also and uh it is available on uh on uh on netflix for a couple more months at least so if you haven't watched it yet you better uh you better get on it so when you're waiting for new episodes
Starting point is 00:17:39 of the last dance to drop so you caught up on the last dance and you got to wait a week for two more episodes. That's plenty of time to enjoy this wonderful documentary Jack of All Trades, which not only stars FOTM Stu Stone, also FOTM Mike Wilner. Whose brother Norm has not seen the movie.
Starting point is 00:18:00 Oh, you heard that episode. I had the Wilners on. You're right. And I gave him hell, right? You did. Mike literally had my back, much more than he had my back on this whole Edison twins thing. But he had my back and was really going in on Norm, not really letting him off the hook for not watching the movie.
Starting point is 00:18:18 So I did appreciate that, Mike. You are a true friend. Thank you. And thank you, Cam, for introducing me to Stu Stone, who also was in Donnie Darko And Magic School Bus And a whole whack of stuff The Raccoons
Starting point is 00:18:30 Which was an environmentally friendly series Ahead of its time It was an eco-conscious CBC cartoon That I loved And the raccoons had faucet noses Well there was the bad guys Cedric Sneer Cyril Sneer Yeah had faucet noses. Well, there was the bad guys. That was like the Cyril Sneer.
Starting point is 00:18:46 Cyril Sneer. And he always wanted to bulldoze forestry. I believe Cyril Sneer's voice was voiced by the legendary Harvey Atkin Rest in Peace. Oh, from the Leon's commercials. Yes. He had like an army of
Starting point is 00:19:03 evil pigs. Am I imagining imagining that i don't remember to be honest with you i don't know i was too busy uh on the edison twins no you were too busy cashing checks right exactly well also in jack of all trades uh speak of twins fun fact you had one half of the conseco twins i. I did. And not Ozzy. No, although it may have been Ozzy. We'll never know. You'll never know. Jose Canseco, who's in Jack of All Trades,
Starting point is 00:19:33 he has a twin brother. Tim, you know that, right? Jose has a brother named Ozzy. Maybe Tim is Ian's twin. And there was a time when Jose, I think I've told this on the show before, but Jose was booked to be in a boxing or MMA fight
Starting point is 00:19:49 and he sent Ozzy instead. And Ozzy went and fought and no one knew the difference. Well, you see, I've seen them many times together and Ozzy's not as good looking as Jose. Wow. He's more of a Jose guy. I'm more of a Juan of the way there I'm more of a one
Starting point is 00:20:06 guy myself but yeah right one Guzman yeah who's living with leave a funk that's silly that's like when you find out Morgan Riley is cohabitating to the pandemic with Tessa Virtue that was that was a big reveal although
Starting point is 00:20:21 that was on Instagram live I believe so we don't we don't talk about that. So on that note, thank you, Cam, for introducing me to Stu. I listen back to these episodes and laugh out loud. And Monica, who spent way too much time with me the past six weeks, thinks I'm crazy. Who do you think is the better skater, Morgan Riley or Tessa Virtue? It depends if you're trying to get Pucks deep in the corner. It all depends what you're doing.
Starting point is 00:20:48 I would say it depends. But speaking of depends... Sponsor of the show. He's wearing depends. Future sponsor. I hope you're all wearing depends because this episode might go a while. It's a long episode for sure.
Starting point is 00:21:03 Cam Gordon, today I wear, and no one can see me because I'm not live streaming this episode might go a while it's a long episode for sure cam gordon today i wear and no one can see me because i'm not live streaming this episode uh but you can see me i'm wearing a twitter t-shirt yeah so then i believe i gave that to you during one of your many visits to this is when we used to be able to go to the twitter canada office where i've worked for the last five years as the head of communications for Twitter Canada. What's your formal title? Hell of a communicator, by the way. Thank you.
Starting point is 00:21:31 Thank you. Yeah, I mean, that's my full title. You may have caught me on local TV. I've been on CP24, on Global Morning Live with my good personal friend, Jennifer Valentine, who many of you know from her days at Breakfast Television amongst elsewhere. All the greats.
Starting point is 00:21:51 Wake up, Winnipeg. I don't know if I've ever been on TV. I've been on TV in Calgary. Breakfast Television in Calgary, I believe. Oh. Where Thomas Sloan used to work. I've been on a morning show in Calgary
Starting point is 00:22:03 a few times. Relax, Regina. I've know it's the most important morning show in Calgary I've been a few times. Relax, Regina. I've seen you on a bunch of regional sort of shows. I get around. I get around. Relax, Regina. Relax, Regina. Double bar.
Starting point is 00:22:15 Has juggernaut ratings. I think every other person in Saskatchewan watches Relax, Regina. But yeah, you're a director of communication at Twitter Canada. I would often bike to your office for the free lunch because I'll do anything for a free lunch. And I'm kind of realizing now, you actually said you gave me this T-shirt. You charged me $20 for this T-shirt.
Starting point is 00:22:37 Oh, that's not true. That's not true. So Cam, tell us now so we can dive into the jams. What is the theme of this week's jam-kicking episode? Yeah, so this is another great theme, and our Lustrous host, Mike, came up with this. I think it's a good one. It's a simple theme, very high-concept episode today.
Starting point is 00:22:56 Songs about sports or songs that have, more specifically, and let's be clear, songs that have a sports theme of some sort see that's interesting because i felt like i wasn't really clear on those rules like that like now you're saying like specifics i could have picked all these rap songs that just say a sports person's name is in the song i'm not saying i did that but i definitely could have done that based on how this explanation of the rules was never laid out the way that can be said you can get your little fun facts lined up and try to cover your ass like you do every friday you know you fucked up really bad last friday like we all know that we all heard the tapes we have the receipts um let's see how you
Starting point is 00:23:42 do this you know if you're you're at about 60 last last week the pretty lowipts. Let's see how you do this. You know, you were at about 60% last week. The pretty low bar. So let's see where this goes. Well, let's start with... And by the way, no, I'm going to tell the people about the T-shirt you're wearing at the appropriate time. Oh, and Mike, we obviously don't have anything to the caliber of getting retweeted by on Vogue to discuss this week, but I did have a little Twitter interaction with the FOTM master T Tony Young
Starting point is 00:24:11 this week. Whoa. Yeah. And this was about an, an aborted interview that was supposed to happen in 1999 with master T and an artist that we're, we had spoken about recently on a recent episode, Andy Partridge of XTC, was supposed to be on The Much
Starting point is 00:24:31 Environment. I was looking for something else on the internet. I found this old transcript of, I guess it was like Master T. They had interview transcripts from Much in the 90s and he was supposed to interview Andy Partridge from XTC, and it got canceled. But for some reason, there was a transcript on the Much Music website. I found this via the Wayback Machine, and while I'm hanging out on the Much Music website,
Starting point is 00:24:57 that's a story for another time, to quote Amy Hams. I would argue in the FOTM world that the Master T is a bigger deal than En Vogue. Master T is a legit legend and just seems like one of the good guys. Like, really. I think that you are understating Master T's relevance by saying that. I mean, En Vogue, come on, En Vogue, they're the greatest. But Master T's, not only was he a television personality, but he curated all of the jams for us on his compilation
Starting point is 00:25:31 that we've heard many songs from while we've kicked jams over this pandemic are from Master T's beautiful Much Dance collection. And he also, yeah, an Extenda mix where he had Roxy. But I don't know what you heard me say, but I was saying Master T is a bigger deal than En Vogue. So I agree with you. Yeah, absolutely. Master T is a BFD in my books.
Starting point is 00:25:54 Absolutely. And a great guy. He sat here and we had a wonderful conversation. Good guy. Is there any more friction between Jeremy Taggart and Stu Stone since we last talked? I haven't heard from him at all uh he just sort of stopped uh but uh i still listen to our lady pieces music so technically he's been with me because i'm i listen and i was actually listening to the lyrics to a song that I used to think, you know,
Starting point is 00:26:25 when you hear a song and then you think it's in, and the lyrics are actually are not very upbeat and it's an upbeat song, or it's like a song you thought was always a certain thing. Hey, yeah, sure. Okay. So there's an R lady peace song.
Starting point is 00:26:39 That's sort of, I always thought, Oh, this is a really upbeat song. And I was listening to the words and I was like, this is actually kind of depressing. But anyway. Which song?
Starting point is 00:26:48 What song was that? It was... And if I don't make it. Oh, yeah. 4AM. 4AM, that's the one. Great song, by the way. I just didn't realize
Starting point is 00:27:05 that you know how sad that song is in concert that's the jam where they Rain Maida will stop singing it and point the mic towards the crowd and the crowd will sing 4am sort of like when you see
Starting point is 00:27:20 a national anthem at a Flames playoff game or something and the anthem singer lets the crowd bring it home. 4 a.m. is the crowd song. There was a Matchbox 20 song called, like, 3 a.m.? It's 3 a.m. I must be lonely. Yeah. Like, the best Matchbox 20 jam there is, if you ask me.
Starting point is 00:27:40 Sure. I don't know that there really is a best Matchbox 20 jam, but sure. Yeah. I don't want to push you around although you know that would probably i think that's maybe a bit problematic i want to take you for granted yeah yeah weird thing to say like i want to take you for granted it's like they were stuck in that semi-sonic world of like we're trying to be kind of rock but we're more maroon 5 and kind of weak ass like you know like that guy Rob Thomas I think he's cursed with like slanted eyebrows where like
Starting point is 00:28:12 he always looks angry his big hit is the smooth with Mexico Mexico's own Carlos Santana. I fucking hate that song so much. And I don't mean Semisonic. Who am I thinking of?
Starting point is 00:28:30 You're thinking of Dishwalla. Semisonic at closing time. You're thinking of the Gin Blossoms. You're thinking of Spongebob. You're thinking of Spongebob. I want something else to get me through this. Steven Jenkins. Down the line.
Starting point is 00:28:47 Who sings that song? Baby. Third Eye Blind. Third Eye Blind. That's what I'm thinking of because they had a song called Semisonic or something. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:28:54 Anyway, let's get to these jams before I make mistakes. Today we are counting down the top five Third Eye Blind songs. And I dedicate Cam's first jam to Lieve Femke because this week is her birthday.
Starting point is 00:29:10 Or next week. When's your birthday, Lieve Femke? One day. Wow. Your birthday is one day, but which day specifically? Monday. I said Monday. Oh, I thought you said one day. No. I was like, when's your birthday? One day. Yeah, like the Mamas and the Papas song, Monday, Monday. I said Monday. Oh, I think you said one day. No. I was like, when's your birthday? One day.
Starting point is 00:29:25 Like the Mamas and the Papas song, Monday, Monday. Was that a cover, Stu, or how did that work? I believe it was covered by Salt and Pepper, but I'll have to look into it. But happy birthday, by the way. Yeah, happy birthday. Thank you.
Starting point is 00:29:41 Happy 21st birthday? Is that what we're looking at this year? Yep. Good. Good good luck if that's true then i think differently of one because he's been living with this teenager come on what's going on there okay let's kick him before i get myself more trouble because the man gave me biking pants um which didn't rip when i crashed and broke my wrist let's i mean one has always sort of been like the Jerry Lee Lewis of the... The killer. ...bike universe. Or Elvis, I guess, when you had Priscilla there.
Starting point is 00:30:12 Okay, let's kick out Cam's first jam. A little Ric Flair trip? Sure. Works related. I'm kind of surprised that you even know this song, Ken. Why is that? I guess that just doesn't seem like it would be a song that you would catch on the way back machine while surfing for XTC interviews with Master T. Yeah, sure enough.
Starting point is 00:30:45 You surprise me every week, man. It's a little cool for Cam, I agree. Now, this is, for those who don't know, 21 Savage. No, is it? With him and Offset. I thought it's Migos. Offset from Migos. Okay, I apologize.
Starting point is 00:31:08 So it's 21 Savage, Offset, and Metro Boomin. Yeah, I feel like this is the most contemporary song we've ever counted down in this combination of guests. Because this song is, what, like two years old? Even one year old? Okay, so I know that you guys have alluded to uh i know there's a connection here to sports that i'm missing and i'm sure other fotms are missing it too so tell us why this song qualifies well rick flair drip and then for the
Starting point is 00:31:38 listeners who don't know and they'd be shocked if any tron mic listeners were not aware or familiar with the work of Ric Flair, the all-time, perhaps the greatest world champion of all time. Would you agree, Stu? Like, you're probably more of a historian, certainly in the conversation on the Mount Rushmore.
Starting point is 00:31:58 He's on the Mount Rushmore. No doubt about that. Yeah, it was Space Mountain, Ric Flair, founding... Woo! Yeah, it was Space Mountain. Rick Flair. Founding. Yeah, like one of the greatest professional wrestlers of all time. Speaking of Jerry Lee Lewis, he was influenced by Jerry Lee Lewis's woo. That's how he got the woo. Is that true?
Starting point is 00:32:15 Yeah. Wow. That's a fun fact. That's a fun fact. I appreciate that we start out the sports countdown right away with pro wrestling listed as a sport. So that's a man after my heart. Sports entertainment.
Starting point is 00:32:29 But I think that this song is interesting. If you watch, you probably won't watch, but there is this podcast on WWE Network, which I know Tim is a subscriber and Cam is a subscriber. But there's a thing called the Stone Cold. Stone Cold Steve Austin has a podcast. And Ric Flair is his guest on the most recent episode. It's like a pretty long watch, but it's pretty good. He cries. It gets emotional.
Starting point is 00:32:57 He tells stories. He talks about the Ric Flair trip. Well, I mean, tying it even closer to sports I mean, in recent years we've seen Ric Flair show up everywhere with sports teams, like when the Carolina Hurricanes you know, because he's from that area, is he not?
Starting point is 00:33:15 He's from the Carolinas or based there I don't want to be a lot of run-ins to dressing rooms and stuff I don't want to be a fly in the ointment here. I don't want to be that guy. But I would argue this song does not qualify. Oh.
Starting point is 00:33:32 And the reason I would suggest such is that professional wrestling of this nature is not a sport. Okay, well, you're entitled to your opinion. It's your... Well, let me hear from somebody else. Like, okay, Stu, and again, I know you guys... In fact, in a moment,
Starting point is 00:33:51 I'm going to read an email I got from a gentleman named Neil Jenkins, who absolutely adores the Stu Stone, Cam Gordon appearances on Fridays, and he has a wrestling question for you. So I'm glad you did this so I can segue over to that.
Starting point is 00:34:03 But how is this a sport it is i feel like what you need to do is invite dr d david schultz down to your basement uh maybe to give you a little john stossel which by the way there's a documentary that's going to be on vice on that exact exchange that you're talking about cam this tuesday on dark side of the ring oh really i i've been watching all the episodes. Well, make sure you watch the credits of the Dr. D episode and see who gets a special thanks. Oh, wow. Wow.
Starting point is 00:34:32 Interesting. Now I've been teased. Miriam. Levi Fumka gets a special shout out at the end of that thing. Are you arguing with two wrestling fans that wrestling is not a sport? Right.
Starting point is 00:34:46 Do you think those injuries are fake? If I may. Well, does that mean that my Highline song is not going to count? If I may. How is wrestling more a sport than, let's say, Ice Capades? I didn't choose a song about Ice Capades.
Starting point is 00:35:01 Well, because it requires athleticism. Different. It needs athleticism. but these are predetermined outcomes well I guess in Ice Capades Peter Pan does fight hook and goes over but my point is they have to be athletes they have to be able to be figure skaters like Tessa Virtue could
Starting point is 00:35:19 now become Snow White and I could buy a hundred dollar ticket to watch her do something for my four yearyear-old who would love it, by the way. But that's not a sport. That's not a sport because... Yeah, but wait a minute. Ice Capades is not presented
Starting point is 00:35:36 as a sport and wrestling at one point was or still is. So... Okay, we can't spend all episode on this except my argument is if the outcomes are predetermined and you both acknowledge the outcomes are well you watch you watch boxing and football don't you that's a whole separate discussion you watch the 2017 world series come on pal yeah i mean what everything's entertainment brother big alex cora fan neil jenkins speaking of
Starting point is 00:36:02 which what a joke. That investigation. We waited all this time for results on a Boston Red Sox investigation. A bit of, to quote Larry Fedorik, a lunchbag letdown. I mean, you've got to be shitting me. Is that Larry Fedorik? I don't think so.
Starting point is 00:36:18 I would have to say that the Robert Mueller investigation wasn't even this disappointing. This is like... I just talked to Hebsey about this a moment ago And yeah it's completely disappointing And underwhelming What a joke Pardon my French
Starting point is 00:36:34 Pardon my French Neil Jenkins Writes in On last Friday's episode I think it was Stu who made a passing comment about coming up with a second list to talk through in between the songs. Knowing
Starting point is 00:36:51 Stu's interest in wrestling, I'd be interested in hearing the 10 wrestlers who put over, the 10 wrestlers who put over another wrestler. For what it's worth, I think the moment when Stone Cold beat Jake the Snake with the famous post-match promo where Austin 316 was coined.
Starting point is 00:37:11 Okay, did that question make sense to you? It makes sense to me, but I don't think that his example is a great example because while Jake the Snake did the honors for Stone Cold, that promo was what put Stone Cold over, not necessarily losing to Jake. But I know what he's saying. It's like when Hulk Hogan lost, when Andre lost to Hogan, he was passing the torch. Gotcha.
Starting point is 00:37:33 Harley Race lost to Ric Flair, put him over. Bret Hart, you could argue, put over Stone Cold Steve Austin. Hercules to Billy Jocane's battle of the full Nelson. I mean, that was real that's also an option but you know what I'm saying it's like
Starting point is 00:37:50 a wrestler who has basically you know they don't have these type of ice capades questions but I will say that what they're talking about because Miriam looks a little confused here but I'm going to explain it to you in wrestling so there's like this big known wrestler let's just say, like Hulk Hogan,
Starting point is 00:38:06 for example. You've heard of him, right? So, in order for him to draw money and have an opponent, they've got to build up the opponent. So, someone along the way is going to have someone really credible who the fans love is going to have to lose to that guy to make him to elevate him
Starting point is 00:38:22 to Hogan's level. You know what I mean? So, somebody has to put him to elevate him to Hogan's level to you know what I mean so somebody has to put him over does that make sense cam yeah I think you set it up I mean in terms of the vernacular I mean a top 10 list though tweet that to me and I'll be happy to answer that top 10 I will get Neil to do
Starting point is 00:38:44 that but I'm playing your first jam, Stu Stone. A little bit different than the Migos. But a wordsmith nonetheless. Simon Garfunkel, The Boxer. Beautiful song. Talk to us, Stu. Why did you pick this one? Well, I picked it for obvious reasons. It is called The Boxer.
Starting point is 00:39:23 Boxing is a sport. It is called The Boxer. Boxing is a sport. It is called The Boxer. They tell a story involving the boxer. And, of course, the chorus of the song reminds me of Cam because he's such a liar. He's always lying all the time. And it just made me think of, you know, this would be an appropriate sort of song to throw into battle.
Starting point is 00:39:44 It is about sports it's by the great simon and garfunkel you're not going to find too many people that are going to talk trash about those guys unless it's maybe paul simon's wife but that's a whole other conversation for another like traffic cops about art gone yeah but i will say their music is fantastic and uh you know the boxer lie lie lie lie, lie, lie, lie, lie, lie, lie, lie, lie. I'm thinking now of Edie Brickell on the New Bohemians had the big hit. I couldn't, I don't think. I'm not aware of too many things.
Starting point is 00:40:18 I know what I know if you know what I mean. On the top of the cereal box religion. Like this was a big jam, right? It had a moment and uh i was all over q107 for example also sampled sampled not covered by brand nubian i don't know if you know the group brand nubian but they did a what i am is what i am but she's still married to paul simon do we know i think so i'm assuming yes i think stew mentioned paul simon's wife and i figured we were talking about edie brrickell and the New Bohemians.
Starting point is 00:40:46 Do you want me to look her up? Well, Lieve Fumke is our official Googler. I see her tapping away at her phone right now. Well, I have an actual fun fact about Paul Simon. It better be fun. I may have mentioned this before. I actually have a friend named Paul Simon. He's a lawyer.
Starting point is 00:41:01 I went to McMaster University with him. Born too late to get that name. It's like Greg Brady, right? He's a radio host in this city. Yeah. As a lawyer, I went to McMaster University with him. Born too late to get that name. Like, I don't... It's like Greg Brady, right? He's a radio host in this city. Yeah. He was born at a time... Like, he says his parents didn't know
Starting point is 00:41:13 that there was a Greg Brady on the Brady Bunch. But if he's your age, this gentleman, Paul Simon, the parents would know better than to name their child Paul Simon. Yeah, like, we're both born in 1977. Like, unless his parents were living under a rock, which maybe they were. He's from Hamilton.
Starting point is 00:41:29 So hey, the rock. Right on a curve. But like arguably the Paul Simon was perhaps never more famous than he was in 1977. He was the first. Wasn't he the first musical performer on Saturday Night Live in 1975? He was massive in the mid-70s, Paul Simon. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:41:49 Massive. And of course, you know, he had a comeback in that infamous era between 1985 and 1989 that we're all so fond of. Right, and he introduced us stupid North Americans to world music. Like, oh, there's music coming from Africa as well. Like, he introduced us to all that
Starting point is 00:42:05 yeah what was that group the lady smith black i feel like you talked about recently with 1236 when johnny not johnny was it johnny clegg who passed away the south african musician right it was sort of in the same era you know talking heads were experimenting with afro beat type stuff and certainly a lot of the stuff you heard on Braceland. Shout out to Mark Weisblatt really quickly because he really, really was hopeful that this recap, the March 2020 recap episode of Toronto Mic'd with 1236 would be in person.
Starting point is 00:42:41 He was really holding out hope to the very last minute. He only kind of recently came to the realization, not that he obviously knew, but he was in a bit of a state of denial, I'd say, that we're going to have to do another Zoom episode. So I just want to shout him out because on the 29th, I think, of March, we're going to do our thing via Zoom,
Starting point is 00:43:00 and it's always a blast. But good choice, Stu. This one qualifies. Good job, The Boxer. It's not about a dog. Is it about a dog? You know, boxers? No, it's not actually. It's about a fighter. Then I'm going to say great job.
Starting point is 00:43:15 And I like that you picked the Simon and Garfunkel jam because it segues beautifully into my first jam. It's interesting. It was called The Boxer and the singer has quite a mean hook. Good job. And here, I could have gone with a Simon and Garfunkel song myself, but I actually felt like going with
Starting point is 00:43:34 this one. This song makes reference to sports oh oh this is a cover this is a very controversial version Whoa, whoa, whoa God bless the priest, Mrs. Robinson Heaven hold the place Of course, Cam is just licking his chops at the dying to tell us all about the Lemonheads. Sure.
Starting point is 00:44:13 Cam is the aficionado of the Lemonheads. Go ahead, Cam. Cam looks like Evan Dando of the Lemonheads. Oh. Cam's much more handsome. Okay, so this is obviously, this was around that era era I guess early 90s when you're hearing a lot of like
Starting point is 00:44:28 lowest of the low on CFNY they were playing this on like crazy this is the Lemonheads covering the Simon and Garfunkel classic from from The Graduate
Starting point is 00:44:43 Mrs. Robinson and yeah, there's a sports reference it's coming up if you want me to turn it up It's okay, we know, Joe DiMaggio but I'm still going to turn it up but go ahead So, I chose this because there's that great line
Starting point is 00:45:00 about Joe DiMaggio Yeah, I mean this is, I feel like this song would be in the conversation, and I do like the original of this, but if you did argue songs where the cover is better than the original... No, stop it, please. Let me finish.
Starting point is 00:45:16 Let me finish. I don't even want... It's disgraceful what you're saying. Go ahead. Mute this man. Mute him. I want him out. I'm just saying, and I'm not... Don't even get it out of just saying and I'm not don't even get
Starting point is 00:45:26 it out of your mouth I'm not gonna let you say it listen enough I'm just saying some people might argue because I do know that this song was very popular and a lot of people do like this version of this song especially a lot of people like us that grew up in the 1990s listened to a lot of CFNY perhaps saw
Starting point is 00:45:48 the Lemonheads at Edgefest where I believe they played with Lois the Low on one of those Edgefest bills it was Juliana Hatfield on that bill yeah I don't know if she was still in the band at that point I would argue that that
Starting point is 00:46:04 is not that the people who would argue that that is not, that the people who think that this cover is better than the original, they are the same ilk of people who probably think that ugly kid Joe's cats in the cradle is better than the original as well. Yeah. Our Marky Mark's walk on the wild side is better than the, uh, Lee Reed original.
Starting point is 00:46:21 Is that a cover though? Or is that a sample? That's a sample. Typical cam to get that confused. I actually have a legit fun fact about Juliana Hatfield too. Oh, this is going to be good. You know, this is good.
Starting point is 00:46:37 The only time I paid to see a concert on the grounds of McMaster University during my four years there, she played at the Downstairs John, which was the campus bar opening for Hayden. Oh, Hayden. Oh, I do love Hayden. Who I went to high school with,
Starting point is 00:46:54 or, well, went to the same high school as Hayden. Hayden Downs. I love Hayden. I love Hayden. Well, we've done... I wonder... I would love to know the FOTMs who have heard all the Stu and
Starting point is 00:47:06 or Cam Gordon episodes of Toronto Mike because I think we've spent some serious real estate, like some serious time on Hayden Desser. I love that. Let's check with Lisa Vachon or LBV. It's not Lisa. You did that last week too. I should have corrected you.
Starting point is 00:47:22 It's Linda. Linda. Okay. Her, too. Again, the twins. The Vachon twins. Linda is responsible for getting Retro Ontario's very own Ed Conroy on FOTM's Steve Paikin's The Agenda. Ooh. Okay. That is a...
Starting point is 00:47:38 Now, Stu, that's a fun fact. I just want to know, what was Julia Hatfield's... What was her big song again? Any relation to James Hetfield? My Sister. My Sister was the big CFNY jam, which at the time was... How does it go?
Starting point is 00:47:55 I hate my sister. She's such a bitch. She had another track called Universal Heartbeat. How does that go? Oh! It's sort of like a classic grunt song, like quiet chorus and then this big crunchy.
Starting point is 00:48:13 The My Sister song, which got more airplay than that one, it had that part. She's the one who took me to my first old age. I'm doing the tune wrong, but it was the Violent Femmes and the Alpha Way Girls. Do I have to Google this and play the YouTube? I like the Violent Femmes. I know their songs.
Starting point is 00:48:33 Oh, if we ever do a jam kicking, songs that reference other musicians, which is a great one. That song, My Sister, by the Juliana Hatfield Three. Don't forget the other two. There's the Juliana Hatfield Three. Oh, I thought it was the Juliana Hatfield 3. Don't forget the other two. There's the Juliana Hatfield 3. Oh, I thought it was the Juliana Hatfield Trio. Oh, maybe. Like the Holly Cole Trio? Maybe. We should just do a jam kicking
Starting point is 00:48:54 of... I don't know any Holly Cole songs either. What does she sing? She covered Johnny Nash's I Can See Clearly Now. I know that song. That might be true. And that's a cover. That is not a sample. That is a cover. Okay. Her dad just died and that was a Mark Wiseblot special.
Starting point is 00:49:10 He brought that to the Ridley Funeral Home Memorial. No. Holly Cole. He was a CBC guy that... Harry Cole? Maybe. Harry Cole is Holly Cole's dad? That would be a fun fact. if you can confirm that
Starting point is 00:49:26 can you look that up please you're confusing Harry Neal and Bob Cole Bob Cole my bad Bob Cole if Bob Cole is her dad that is a mind blowing fun fact maybe I can get Bob Cole on Toronto Mike now that would be the funnest fact of all time
Starting point is 00:49:41 I think so I think that and then this is going to be Leve and Ian I hope you've so. I think that, and then this is going to be, uh, leave a, and Ian, uh, hope you've cleared the next three hours because I think this is going to be a long one because this jam I'm going to kick out,
Starting point is 00:49:51 which is, uh, Cam Gordon's second jam. I think all of us have something to say about this song and I think it might be the perfect choice for this topic and I'm going to play it so we can talk about it. By the way, I won the first round, but go ahead. Is this the Tom Cochran? My boy's going to play in the big leagues? Tom Cochran?
Starting point is 00:50:27 My boy's gonna play in the big leagues? Tom Cochran, Korea. Wait, is Tom Cochran in the Red Riders or something? It's Tom Cochran in Red Rider. It was very confusing because there was Red Rider then there was Tom Cochran solo then there was Tom Cochran and Red Rider No, Tom Cochran solo comes after, like Tom Cochran solo
Starting point is 00:50:55 would be the big hit that was covered for the Cars movie Life is a Highway, come on That's Tom Cochran solo before that, this is earlier than that this is Red Rider stuff. Yeah, this was from, anyway, this is, yeah, Tom Cochran and Red Rider. Big League.
Starting point is 00:51:13 Big League or Big Leagues? It is, the official title of this jam is. Like plural? Not plural. I believe it's singular. Big League. Big League. Big League. Okay. It reminds me of the pavement song major leagues you guys ever hear that one you're the pavement guy yeah tom i don't this song i think of the video that was i'm trying to remember how i described this
Starting point is 00:51:39 to you mike when we were dming i think i said like the ultimate hoser song yes um just depicted like small town hockey rinks and sort of uh 16 year old hockey prodigy sort of discovers girls there's like he's on a roller coaster does he like girls more than he likes hockey his dad sort of driving like the whole kind of shtick put to song by Tom Cocker where's Tom Cocker from he's from like Saskatchewan originally or I think Manitoba maybe yeah I mean
Starting point is 00:52:16 I don't know what do you guys do you like this song is this a good song fun fact you were in this video I was not in the video. However, it at my bar mitzvah, which was in jack of all trades,
Starting point is 00:52:30 there's candle lighting. You know, everybody comes up to light a candle at the bar mitzvah and a song plays for that person. The song that was used for my father to come up and light his candle was this song. Okay. Thanks for bringing up tough memories.
Starting point is 00:52:46 Spoiler alert. You've got to see Jack of All Trades. I'm surprised you didn't tell us that the MC of your bar mitzvah was an FOTM. Yeah, Brian Master. I think this song's a good song. I like it.
Starting point is 00:53:02 Fuck you both. This is a great song. This is a great song. This is a great song and it's perfect for this topic. In fact, it's the first song I thought of when I came up with this topic and I'm so glad that Big Cam is kicking it out for us today. Also, I think
Starting point is 00:53:15 when we said sports jams, the first thing that Leva Thumka said was Tom Cochran. It's a great jam and if you remember in the timelines of this country's history this song was big in the aftermath of the trade
Starting point is 00:53:30 of Wayne Gretzky to the Los Angeles Kings you could do a whole documentary series on what that did to this nation's psyche and I always have this conversation
Starting point is 00:53:39 with sports fans and they're like oh you know Crosby can't be traded this guy can't be traded I'm like they fucking traded Wayne Gretzky if you fucking traded Wayne Gretzky.
Starting point is 00:53:45 If you can trade Wayne Gretzky in the peak of his career, anybody could be traded. Okay, anybody can be traded. And that was a big deal for me as a young teenager and for hockey fans and for this country. And then this song blew up like just shortly thereafter. So I always tie the two events together. But great song. And Tom Cochran two events together. But, great song.
Starting point is 00:54:06 And Tom Cochran, he's a national treasure. Sure. I agree. Something else I stumbled upon, it was sort of in the same rabbit hole, pandemic rabbit hole I'd fallen into in the Wayback Machine when I found that Master T. Fun fact,
Starting point is 00:54:22 I found an article in RPM Magazine, which used an article in RPM magazine, which used to be the trade publication, the Canadian music industry of Peter Pocklington, former owner of the Edmonton Oilers. And to many, the man responsible for trade Wayne Gretzky promoting a concert by Pavarotti at the Skydome in like 1994 or something.
Starting point is 00:54:45 And I'm just like, what an act of like villainy that man had, At the Skydome in like 1994 or something. Wow. And I'm just like, what an act of like villainy. That man had perpetrated in many's viewpoint on this country. And here he is a few years later bringing a notice. Peddling that Italian smut. Bono collaborator Pavarotti. The late great. He's gone, right? He's no longer with us. Pavarotti The late great He's gone right he's no longer with us
Starting point is 00:55:06 Pavarotti? Right he's gone I'm not sure is he I don't know I think he's passed away Pre-COVID Yeah I don't know But anyway Peter Pocklington Doing something for the city of Toronto You know years after he
Starting point is 00:55:22 Helped orchestrate the trade that Made Wayne Gretzky leave Canada. There is, I need to shout out the excellent episode of the 30 for 30 series, the documentary series from ESPN. That was like one of the first ones. The King's Ransom? Is that what it's called? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:55:37 And it's very good. Yeah. Yeah, very good. Of course, what was the guy that the player that went the other way was the guy that the player that went the other way in the trade that was Jimmy Carson
Starting point is 00:55:48 Jimmy Carson was a big Jimmy Carson guy yeah he was yeah that's quite the trade I mean
Starting point is 00:55:57 oh my god you know on the Wayne Gretzky front because he's traded for the Oilers in the peak of his career and we all know what happens with the Kings
Starting point is 00:56:04 because we all remember that series I don't know if that in the peak of his career. And we all know what happens with the Kings because we all remember that series. I don't know if that was the peak of his career. He had won four Stanley Cups already. So maybe he had already... He had a long peak. He had an extraordinarily long peak. Gretzky's 10th year in the league when he
Starting point is 00:56:20 got traded. That wasn't like Bernie Nichols was in that trade. That was separate, right? No, he was. I think it was Bernie right no he was i think there was bernie nichols and jimmy carson and like martin gelina i feel like there were those are the three guys i think you're thinking of the uh okay because don't confuse did he get traded to st louis wait tony granato maybe yeah i feel like nichols went to the rangers and then the oilers later huh we need to need to Google it. Tony Granato. You're right. And Tom,
Starting point is 00:56:46 like Thomas Sandstrom were like involved in that swap. Right. Uh, I do just real quick on the Gretzky. First of all, Gretzky, I think he has some wonderful record where he's like the fastest guy to a thousand points.
Starting point is 00:56:57 And he's the second fastest guy to get the next thousand or something like because he was so his steroids, you know, not a lot of people talk about this, but Gretzky was on steroids. Lots of them. Are you joking? Yes. Okay.
Starting point is 00:57:12 You got to be careful because my friend, Lorne Honigman, he's a good FOTM, he would argue that you can't say that and not declare you're joking. I'm joking.
Starting point is 00:57:22 Wayne Gretzky is the greatest player to play his sport. Maybe Michael Jordan is in that conversation as well, that's it i don't think jordan i don't think jordan's the greatest basketball player of all time well jordan you're wrong i think and real quick just because he's top of mind from this documentary series we're all watching uh last dance but i think in my opinion and i think fotm brian gerstein has the same opinion because i saw him tweet something to the effect is i believe the best all-around basketball player ever is LeBron James. But the most exciting basketball player ever is Michael Jordan.
Starting point is 00:57:52 There would be no LeBron without Michael Jordan. You can't do that. Hold on, hold on, hold on. And I'm not a Jordan. When Jordan was in his peak, I was rooting against Jordan. I love Michael Jordan. Obviously, he's an adult. I appreciate him.
Starting point is 00:58:04 I wear his running shoes, everything. But I will say that the man played six seasons – sorry, in seven seasons, and one of those seasons he played baseball. It's in eight. I thought it was in seven. Six and seven. No, no, no. He took two years off to play baseball.
Starting point is 00:58:25 Oh, sorry. Six and eight. The Houston Rockets win two in a row because Jordan played baseball. I'm saying that Jordan won every single year that he was in his prime, the championship. Okay, but LeBron went to the NBA finals something like seven or eight years ago. LeBron is a phenom as well, but even LeBron would tell you that Michael Jordan is the best.
Starting point is 00:58:44 He's a humble guy, but he's wrong. Go ahead. I just feel like NBA is the hardest of all the four major team sports to compare heroes. It seems like every five years, it's like night and day. You start talking about people like Kevin Durant. LeBron James has size that Michael Jordan didn't have. So for Michael Jordan to be as explosive as he was on his, on his drives, LeBron,
Starting point is 00:59:12 it's, you can't compare the two. LeBron is a truck and Michael Jordan is like a swift, you know, LeBron also has several years of longevity over Jordan now too. I think like you could argue he's been playing at this level for 14 years, LeBron, at this point, where Jordan was eight, nine. And also, LeBron can't hit a curveball. But neither can Jordan.
Starting point is 00:59:34 He had one career home run with the Birmingham Bulls or whatever. Hey, how many career home runs does LeBron have? It's true. One less than Jordan. Oh, God, we've got to kick out the second jam from Stew Stone. Let's do it. No, this is not
Starting point is 00:59:59 Saved by the Bell in between scenes music. Although it does sound like we're about to go into the max. Wow. Talk about on the nose. Are you guys ready? Are you ready for some football?
Starting point is 01:00:33 A Monday night invasion. Of course, Hank Williams Jr. Are you ready for some football? Which is a cover I I would imagine, or a sample. You know, we'd have to refer to the experts here,
Starting point is 01:00:50 but, you know, his big hit song of the era, All My Rowdy Friends. This is a cover of that? A parody of that? How would you describe it? It's the same song with different lyrics. I'd say a new version of that other song. A reworking, maybe? a re-visualization
Starting point is 01:01:07 uh i got a revamp yeah a reprise i can plead complete ignorance in that i actually didn't know about this all my rowdy friends uh all my rowdy friends is interesting because uh in the 80s on mtv they didn't play too many country music videos. Ever, really. But Hank Williams Jr. cracked the code because he went like the Motley Crue route and had all these scantily clad women
Starting point is 01:01:36 in his video for all my rowdy friends. It's basically these like it's like a very misogynistic sort of video where he's in his misogynistic sort of video where he's like in his house with like all these like sort of playboy type ladies cleaning his house and feeding him
Starting point is 01:01:51 rubbing his feet and stuff I feel like this is a degree or two away from like a ZZ Top video from what I recall like Robert Palmer that's a totally different thing but again consider the era some of the content you would see on MTV are much like Robert Palmer that's a totally different thing but again consider the era yes
Starting point is 01:02:05 some of the content you would see on MTV are much Stu yeah if I may Stu who gives a fuck about MTV
Starting point is 01:02:11 like how many listeners of Toronto Mike do you think watched MTV oh I did I had a satellite dish so I watched MTV from the very beginning
Starting point is 01:02:20 I used to stay home sick from school to watch MTV all day but dude you know most of us who grew up in this country did not have a satellite I was on the Edison Twins, Mike, so I had a different childhood than you. You had Edison Twin money.
Starting point is 01:02:33 Okay, because I was going to say, the only time you heard a song like that on Much Music was when Bill Wilichka was hosting Outlaws and Heroes. Yeah, another Thornley Secondary School alumni, Bill Wolichka. I'm not claiming that that last song is a good song, or it's a song that I would listen to, but I do think that people who watch football definitely are familiar with Are You Ready for Some Football? There's not a football fan alive who doesn't know that song.
Starting point is 01:03:01 Of course, Hank got himself into some trouble for doing something racy, and they ended up pulling the song and they replaced it with Carrie Underwood singing Are You Ready For Some Football? She's married to a hockey guy. She is. Who's she married to? I think Mike Fisher.
Starting point is 01:03:17 Because Hayley Duff is married to Mike Comrie. Right, and Cam's sister is married to Mike Pekka. Is that true? I wish. I wish. I don't know when you're kidding me.
Starting point is 01:03:31 I'm not a fan of it. She's married to some guy who works at the airport. And Mike Pekka probably works at the airport right now. Okay. He's passed through the airport a few times. Not these days, though. That's a good choice. The only thing is it's so on the nose.
Starting point is 01:03:43 It's fine. And there's no points. You wanted songs about sports that reference sports that song's called are you ready for some football if that doesn't win round two then this is a rigged i won't begrudgingly admit stew is pulling like a way a vintage wade boggs today he's two for two with his choices i'm i'm a fan. Wade fucking Boggs and those chicken wings, man. You're bringing it back. Chicken wings, yeah.
Starting point is 01:04:06 Holy smokes. All right. I'm really excited to kick out this jam because it's a Warren Zevon jam that has a great like cameo. I can't wait to tell
Starting point is 01:04:16 you who it is as a fun fact, but let's kick it out. It's the hockey song. It's the hockey song. Well, I'm glad that I won this round. Started playing hockey by the time he was nine. His dad took the hose and froze the battery out. Well, I'm glad that I won this round. Little Buddy dreamed he was Rocket Richard. He grew up big and he grew up tough.
Starting point is 01:04:56 He saw himself scoring for the Windsor Canucks. But he wasn't that good with a puck. But his real talent was beating people up His heart wasn't in it, but the crowd ate it up Through Kiwis and Juniors and Midgets and Mikes He must have racked up more than 300 fights Till a scout from the Flames came down from Saskatoon Said there's always room on a team for a game Is he Canadian? How does he know so fucking much about hockey?
Starting point is 01:05:34 He is Canadian. Did the NHL commission him to sing this or something? It's a buddy. What else can a farm boy from Canada do? It's a buddy. What's a Canadian farm boy to do? It's a buddy. Okay, you're right. He knows a lot.
Starting point is 01:06:00 This hockey song feels like it was written by a hockey fan. Well, he's from Chicago, so I mean, you know, if Americans from any city is going to know about hockey, have a good Midwestern vibe. I've never heard this song. Oh, my God. OK, so you hear that voice saying, hit somebody. You heard it a couple of times. It comes back later. Hit somebody. Do any of you know who is saying hit somebody or do you need to hear it again to make it?
Starting point is 01:06:27 It's Ron Francis, I think. Is it not? No. Okay. But it's a, you know, it's a great story about a guy who was a goon back when,
Starting point is 01:06:43 remember, you guys are kind of young. Do you remember when teams had goons? No, I don't remember because we're so young. We didn't have goons back in my day. Back when Ovechkin was coming up. Guys from Sweden? How'd that work? What's a goon?
Starting point is 01:06:57 Is that a verb? Do you want to know who's saying hit somebody here real quick before I forget? Hit somebody is David Letterman. Oh. I do like David Letterman more than that song. I mean, it's a good song. How dare you, by the way.
Starting point is 01:07:14 You don't like the song? No, I like it. But just like how dare you of accusing me of being like so on the nose with are you ready for some football? And you have a song called The Hockey Song. You know, that's all right. I'm used to this sort of treatment. But, you know, I think I'd definitely take home another round.
Starting point is 01:07:30 This song is a nice song. The issue is that it doesn't have that repeat listen value to it. I can't see myself wanting to hear it again. You know what I mean? It's like you hear the story once and you sort of get the story. Am I wrong, Cam? boy from canada but i mean it's like you hear the story once and you sort of get the story am i wrong cam right uh i i'd say it's definitely not as memorable i mean there's perhaps a reason that we're all a bit less familiar than all my rowdy friends rick flair drip the boxer some of the other tunes here's a question for you guys This is a serious question. We've recently lost John Prine.
Starting point is 01:08:09 I remember, do you remember that last album Warren Zavon put out, The Wind? And he went on David Letterman and it was really quite sad. When an artist passes away, do you guys sort of fall into a lapse, especially if it's someone you maybe weren't that familiar with?
Starting point is 01:08:23 John Prine is a great example. John Prine is a guy i've been hearing forever about this john prine's great john prine's great of course he had no hits right like so i didn't know much john prine in fact just before he passed we kicked out a jam from john prine called uh or uh fuck anyway great song great song by john prine and i listened to it like over and over again thinking this is really fucking good i really like this song that's being kicked out by an fotm. And I listened to it like over and over again thinking this is really fucking good. I really like this song that's being kicked out by an FOTM. And I got really into it. Then he dies. He gets COVID. He dies of COVID.
Starting point is 01:08:52 And I do a deep dive into his catalog and I'm like, why wasn't I listening to John Prine the whole time? He's amazing. This happens to me a lot. All you need was a pandemic to make that happen. Anyway, I remember when Warren Zavavon died he had that song i think was called keep me in your heart yes yeah which was just like heartbreaking
Starting point is 01:09:10 because he was like basically terminal cancer i think yeah um yeah i mean it's i don't know it's it's always like an oddly effective way to get some new fans like in a very tragic and almost morbid way. Unlike John Prine, Warren Zevon had a hit, like a big hit. So even casual music fans know one Warren Zevon song. No, that's like Werewolves of London. Werewolves of London.
Starting point is 01:09:38 Werewolves of London was a big hit. Most people know it. Yeah. Sort of like a Diet Bob Seger. Sure, but Seger's got lots of hits but yeah uh with the one so people know zeevon's got one hit but they probably couldn't name a second zeevon song but i uh back to that letterman appearance where he said goodbye because he had terminal cancer and he knew he was dying his line in that i i quote it often on many episodes of toronto mic and i think about it all the time uh David Letterman looks at Warren Zivon who has got like months to live
Starting point is 01:10:05 and he says, is there any wisdom you'd like to share with us? Any advice for us as you're taking your final journey here? And he says, enjoy every sandwich. And it's sort of
Starting point is 01:10:21 like that whole carpe diem kind of sense, but I think about that line often. Like, you don't know what news you'll get tomorrow. Like, Zeevon's coasting along. He gets a, he's got, I don't know what was the symptom he had, but he finds out he's got months to live. He's got terminal cancer. It's all done. Enjoy every sandwich.
Starting point is 01:10:41 Very prescient. And I remember there was a tribute album that came out for Warren Zevon after he passed. And that was the name of the album, Enjoy Every Sandwich. Wow, that makes sense. Yeah. I recall the Pixies were on that. Of course. I'm sorry I had that.
Starting point is 01:10:57 I remember I think I reviewed it for Chart Magazine. Other notable Warrens, of course. Warren G. Warren Haynes. Warren Beatty. Shout out to Warren G. Warren Haynes. Warren Beatty. Shout out to Warren Peace. Warren Blackwood. Elizabeth Warren.
Starting point is 01:11:10 Elizabeth Warren. The war on drugs. Elizabeth Warren's brother died of COVID the other day. I saw that. You just got 11 minutes? Great song. Probably Bob Dylan's most commercial success. No, get out of town with that nonsense.
Starting point is 01:11:45 But it is a great jam. It is eight and a half minutes or something, but it is a wonderful song. So tell us, Cam, why did you choose the amazing Hurricane by Bob Dylan? Yeah, so this is the Hurricane, of course, about the boxer Robin Hurricane Carter. Ruben.
Starting point is 01:12:02 Ruben. I call him Robin, you know. He's no longer with us.. I call him Robin. He's no longer with us. I just called him Robin. Just don't even let this guy talk about the song. He just said Robin. Anyway, be that as it may. I should also have this at my fingertip.
Starting point is 01:12:22 Ruben Carter lived in Toronto. He sought refuge in Toronto Because he I feel like he had some Dealings with Spider Jones Am I imagining that? I know Spider Jones Obviously the local I think you're right
Starting point is 01:12:36 He was big in the boxing community Spider Jones I think you're right Yeah I do recall Burt Sugar Going on Primetime Sports With a lot of
Starting point is 01:12:43 Ruben Carter Tales I never really understood Why this song I do recall Bert Sugar going on Primetime Sports with a lot of Ruben Carter tales. I never really understood why this song is in the movie Dazed and Confused. Have I imagined that? Like with one of the Matthew McConaughey scenes? I think it's in the movie The Hurricane. I would imagine. And it definitely made a comeback.
Starting point is 01:13:04 Like one of those songs that came back again, like the Twist and Shout Beatles, the Hurricane all of a sudden was a big song again. Bohemian Rhapsody. When Wayne's Word came out, Bohemian Rhapsody had a whole second win there. Yeah. You mentioned Bert Sugar, Randolph Sugar.
Starting point is 01:13:22 I just want to say my favorite primetime sports moments, non-FOTM Bob McCallum, maybe one day we'll be in FOTM, that's a controversial topic. He with Steven Brunt talking up Bert Randolph Sugar, I could listen to that for hours. Yeah, I mean, boxing,
Starting point is 01:13:41 boxing's this is like a very, I'm not trying to be funny, but boxing is a very interesting sport because there's a lot of movies about boxing, a lot of songs are in about boxing. I think it's one of those things, even if you're not a boxing fan, is very cinematic and theatrical and kind of tragic. I think, you know, a lot, i would argue most people get into boxing is because you know
Starting point is 01:14:08 punching their way out of poverty yeah like they need the money or they're in some kind of desperate situation where this is perhaps a way out i don't know like i could be wrong i know there's on the flip side there's like boxer size class and whatnot and then sort of with the proliferation of mma what was stew's like his eyes are like bug. And then sort of with the proliferation of MMA, what was Stu's like, his eyes are like bugging out. He's looking like Rodney Dangerfield. I just feel like you're playing this song about Robin,
Starting point is 01:14:31 the hurricane. And you've not even, we're not even touching upon like this. There's, there's reason why this song is even about him. It's not a big, that's necessarily about his career in the ring. It's about the fact that he was misidentified for a crime and put in jail.
Starting point is 01:14:46 Very making a murderer. No, no, no. Don't compare it to that. This guy was innocent. Ruben Hurricane Carter. You think that Stephen Avery is not innocent? That's inconclusive to me. He may have been guilty of those crimes.
Starting point is 01:15:01 But Ruben Hurricane Carter was an innocent man. Let's face it. there was racism involved. It's a tremendous story. He didn't get fucked over. A group from Toronto. That's why he ends up in Toronto, right? There's people in Toronto who were trying to get him released
Starting point is 01:15:16 from jail for that. And the movie's great. Denzel Washington's in it. They film it here in Toronto and people should see it. But this song kind of tells us that. What ends up happening at the end for Ruben? That's a great question. No, no, I'm trying to hear the song. Well, you've got to wait another three and a half
Starting point is 01:15:38 minutes to find out how it ends. But yeah, this is one of those Bob Dylan's known for his long songs. He likes the Desperation Row, for example, like 11 and a half minutes or something. Interestingly enough, when Cam makes a selection and it's like Wakefield is the artist, he's got tons of information on the song.
Starting point is 01:15:56 He knows all about it. But then he picks a Bob Dylan song, can't even pronounce the fucking name right of the guy the song's about, and then has no fun facts or has no intel on the song whatsoever it's as if he went on google looked up sports songs and just copied and pasted okay so a man being wrongfully imprisoned for years the best years of a man's life you're looking for fun facts no no i'm saying that like it took me prodding you to get you to even acknowledge that happened you're're too busy talking about Razor Ruddock and Spider Jones.
Starting point is 01:16:28 First of all, I did not talk about Razor Ruddock. Second of all. By the way, Razor Ruddock should have beat Mike Tyson. Remember the back-to-backs they had? I fucking love Razor Ruddock. And I watched those. I thought he could have beat Mike Tyson. Good man.
Starting point is 01:16:44 To quote DJ Jazzy Jeff in the French phrase. Right, because he could have beat Mike Tyson. I get those. I thought he could have beat Mike Tyson. Good man. To quote DJ Jazzy Jeff in the French phrase. Right, because he could have beat Mike Tyson. I get it. Anyway, I'm just saying. My daughter met Will Smith, by the way. You watch where you're pointing that finger. You watch where you're pointing that finger. The entire narrative of Ruben, don't call me Robin, Hurricane Carter would not do it justice.
Starting point is 01:17:04 That's a story that's been well told. I recommend all listeners of Toronto and Mike to look that up, read some books. You know, because Cam certainly didn't. He passed away in 2014, by the way. I'm not going to engage in this anymore.
Starting point is 01:17:23 Typical. Running away. Rest in peace, in this anymore. Typical. Running away. Running away. Rest in peace, Ruben Carter, the hurricane. This is coming from a man with earbuds
Starting point is 01:17:32 on his hat. Hey, according to Ian, I sound fucking great. That's true. I know it. I should let you know. I do see the chats.
Starting point is 01:17:40 I can't contribute because it's too many. Happy to participate in a group photo after the wire is no longer covering my face, but I will say so far I am just putting on a show for the Toronto Mic listeners
Starting point is 01:17:51 in dominance. Can you take a screen cap that I can use? Because you did it two weeks ago and I used the same one for two weeks. Can you wait till after? Because my mic is better right now. Three, two, one. Son of a bitch. And one more. Three, two, one. Son of a bitch. And one more.
Starting point is 01:18:07 One, two, three. Okay. Those are some good ones. Thanks. I appreciate that. It helps me promote the episode. How are you guys doing? How's Ian Service doing?
Starting point is 01:18:19 Just checking in. We have an eight and a half minute song here. Say hi, Ian. Is Ian Service here? Hello, Ian. Oh, he's busy. I think he might be on a phone call. We can't bother him. in we have an eight and a half minute song here say hi ian is he in service here hello ian oh he's busy i think he might be on a phone call we can't bother him he's working is he yeah say hi no he's busy you want to say hi no he's waving no one can hear your wave okay leave a funk do you want to chime in and just tell us how you're doing how are you and juan doing today uh good Uh, good. But, uh, in about 50 minutes, I have my own, uh, Zoom actual work meeting. So I might have to disappear.
Starting point is 01:18:50 Can you push it? I should try to do some work. Where do you work? That's top secret. We can't reveal that. Yeah, I don't want to say. We don't even like to tell people where Cam works. Yeah. Okay, I'm going to roll right into
Starting point is 01:19:07 Stu Stone's next jam here. Wait, wait. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Okay. Why? Tell me why you want to hold on. Yes. You weren't the only one to pick that last song.
Starting point is 01:19:23 Oh. Thank you for reminding me. So, so yeah this happens once in a while and i again i see stew's jams i see cam's jams and i see my own obviously but you guys don't see each other's jams or my jams you both pick this jam the hurricane i'll say this blanket statement we've listened to some great songs today. Can we agree on that at least? Yes. Okay. Wait till you hear my Wig Field, the single I'm going to be kicking out in a minute here. But okay, so yes, Stu also picked the Hurricane, but
Starting point is 01:19:53 then I made him pick a sixth jam so we could flesh it out. Anything else you want to say about that, Stu? No. Okay, let's kick out another Stu Stone Jam. Now, when you told me that Cam picked the same song as me, this is the song I thought it was going to be. But it wasn't. I think that this song sort of was one of those sort of like I put it up there with like landslide as like songs I heard as a younger person and made me think, oh no, life is short, I'm getting older.
Starting point is 01:20:51 This is one of those self-reflective songs. Even at a young age, I was self-reflective. Hearing lyrics like when he talks about, he sees the deadhead sticker on the Cadillac. You know what I mean? Yeah, totally. I mean, this, I think this was sort of written about at the time. This kind of was, you know, invented like yuppie middle-aged rock a bit.
Starting point is 01:21:16 One of the key complaints about this kind of... Well, he's from the Eagles, right? So you've got like the Eagles fans, maybe in the 70s, you were a big Eagles guy. And then this hits you in like the mid 80s. I think it came out in 84 or so, but totally touched. The song is called Boys of Summer by the way Don Henley
Starting point is 01:21:29 obviously baseball reference the Boys of Summer fun fact the Boys of Summer of course is what people refer to baseball players are the Boys of Summer also some may argue that the song is about like you know summer love and the Boys of Summer. But in actual actual retail price, Don Henley was a huge Brooklyn Dodgers fan.
Starting point is 01:21:54 And the nickname for the Brooklyn Dodgers, of course, was they were the ones that the term Boys of Summer was coined on the Brooklyn Dodgers. And when they left, when they left Brooklyn to go to L.A., that's sort of the reference that I'll still love you after the Boys of Summer are gone Summer was coined on the Brooklyn Dodgers. And when they left, when they left Brooklyn to go to LA, that's sort of the reference that I'll still love you after the boys of summer are gone because they're leaving town. They're going to LA. How old is Don Henley? Like he's probably 70 now. Yeah,
Starting point is 01:22:15 for sure. In the seventies. I guess he's where, where's he from? Like, I don't like, well, I guess he would have been like aware when the brooklyn dodgers were
Starting point is 01:22:25 around a child obviously but yeah i can find out i mean we've lost our uh googler actually i'm a little concerned we're boring everyone because we lost both our uh our visitors we're not trust me this is a great song another this is a song that i was expect uh he's 72 years old born in 1947 wow okay well they don't move till 57 so he's 10 years old yeah yeah for sure that his story checks out but can i can i can i interrupt because we're all sports fans us we're all three sports fans here uh and we've i don't know i want you to speak for yourselves but my guess is if you're like me you've never lost a team that you loved yet. Like, I've never had a team I was in love with that left my city.
Starting point is 01:23:09 But I always think about, like, okay, Expos fans, we all know some Expos fans, like, they had to watch that happen. Grizzly, I don't know if there are Grizzly fanatics, but I'm sure there were some. They had to kind of endure this. Seattle Sonics, Cleveland Browns, that was a big one. Lots of teams. But do you ever wonder ever wonder, let's say
Starting point is 01:23:25 I'm a big Raptors fan. I'm in love with the Raptors. What if the Raptors were moving to you name it or whatever. Tallahassee or whatever. That to me is like a divorce. That's devastating. Yeah. I find it especially sad.
Starting point is 01:23:42 Something like when the Winnipeg Jets left originally, where they sort of only have one of the teams, and then that's pulled out. I think the Supersonics is perhaps the worst type of example, where that was, I think, mainly a weird arena-related maneuvering thing. When you're going from Seattle to Oklahoma City I mean like I mean interestingly enough like during our era of being like teenagers and you know young adults watching sports more teams moved during our era than any other era I mean you could count 10 teams that moved if not more well also like in Canada alone you saw Vancouver lost to Grizzlies. Jets lost to...
Starting point is 01:24:25 Winnipeg lost to Jets. The Nordiques went to Colorado. Ottawa lost to Rough Riders. Yeah, and then Montreal went to Washington and baseball. Across the spectrum, Ottawa lost to Rough Riders. Yeah. I was also expecting Cam to say that the Atari's Boys of Summer is a better version. This would be the flip side, like a shitty.
Starting point is 01:24:50 Right. Thank you. The covers are way worse. And they famously flipped the Deadhead reference to a Black Flag. Yeah, I figured you would like that. Yeah, because they're punk rock bands. What are your thoughts on Alien Ant Farm Smooth Criminal? I thought it was like at least a unique interpretation at the time. They made it
Starting point is 01:25:10 their own. I thought that very much the way Limp Bizkit made Faith their own. Okay. And one quick thing. My nephew's mother Okay, so my nephew's mother So your sister-in-law Yeah, but she's not because they were married, and they're not even together anymore.
Starting point is 01:25:27 So what would you... Your ex-sister-in-law. Your nephew's baby mama. She never was married, so she's the mother of my brother's son. Your nephew's father's baby's mama. Okay. Or, as I said originally, my nephew's mother, which is probably the cleanest way to say this. My nephew's mother and I had a fight one day, a verbal fight, I won't point out, a verbal disagreement,
Starting point is 01:25:51 because she was insisting with me, you'll laugh in hindsight, but she was insisting, this is kind of before Google times, but she was insisting with me that the Boys of Summer was a, she said it was a Brian Adams song. And I was losing my shit because, of course, I know it's a Don Henley song. And I even said to her at the time, this is many moons ago, maybe 15 years ago or so. And I said to her, I said, you're confusing the Boys of Summer with the Summer of 69.
Starting point is 01:26:18 This is what, I said it kind of calmly like that. And she, it was, she would not accept that reality. And she stood fast and fought me to tell me The Boys of Summer was a Bryan Adams song. Was this in the 80s or when was this? Okay, she's probably about 45 now. I would say it was about 15 years ago. So that's not the 80s at all.
Starting point is 01:26:37 Like pre-internet, clearly. It was around early 2000s, maybe. I don't know. But we didn't have devices. We were at a restaurant. And nobody had a device and nobody had a device. Nobody had a device. Interestingly enough,
Starting point is 01:26:49 the Eagles, you know, a lot of like these like hardcore musicians, they don't give the Eagles credit. You know, the Eagles are sort of looked upon as like this hacky
Starting point is 01:27:01 sort of kiss kind of band without the makeup. But musicallyically it's a lot of real true not me i'm saying that there are musicians that's that shit on the eagles really like i don't think anyone's putting them in the kiss camp okay well maybe not kiss but i'm saying like the in in terms of respect like kiss had to earn respect the hard way i'm saying my argument here is that like the eagles got shit on by a lot of people during their heyday they were like a pop rock band or like the gin blossoms i don't know how to explain it maybe it was a country-esque kind of thing there was
Starting point is 01:27:36 something frowned upon them by other musicians the eagles yet when they all went solo they all had a lot of them had success and when you look at a rock band like that, I can only think of the Beatles as another group where multiple members had solo runs, maybe Genesis. Oh, Genesis for sure. Genesis. But you know, the Eagles, Don Henley had singles. Joe Walsh had some great songs.
Starting point is 01:28:03 Glenn Frey had singles. Rest in peace. You know, so maybe they were better than people gave them credit for. Have you seen the documentary yet? There's a really long wonder. Anyways, that doc will sell anybody. I've seen it. It's great.
Starting point is 01:28:16 It makes Glenn Frey look like kind of the biggest asshole on the planet. Again, rest in peace, Glenn Frey. The heat is on. Stu, I got to say, like, you're really bringing it Fry. The heat is on. So Stu, I got to say like, you're really bringing it today. That's actually like a really good point. I'd never,
Starting point is 01:28:29 never thought of like, even think of something like the Spice Girls break up. And yeah, like varying degrees of success, but it is really rare to have more, I'd say more than two. Well, the players have.
Starting point is 01:28:42 Okay. Legit. It's really, really rare. Let's talk about this for a moment. Maybe a new addition. Yeah, Belle Biv DeVoe was one, though. They all went together.
Starting point is 01:28:49 Well, Bobby Brown, Belle Biv DeVoe, Ralph Trey. They all had songs. True. But, okay, I like this topic, actually, a lot. But I just want to say that I think Genesis is the primo example because two of those members had amazing solo careers. And Mike Rutherford had a bunch of hits. Yeah, The Beatles is number one
Starting point is 01:29:06 I mean you can't George Harrison Paul McCartney John Lennon yeah yeah the Genesis and the Beatles yeah and the Eagles is a great example and you're right multiple more than two because you're right you can get two but having more than two members of a band have success on their own
Starting point is 01:29:22 is very rare I bet if you did a tally of Glennenn fry don henley joe walsh number of like let's let's call like top 100 billboard top 100 hits might be more than the combined as solo artists yeah tally of john lennon George Harrison And Paul McCartney You could be right Obviously there's sort of Wings and there's other Considerations in there
Starting point is 01:29:50 Or even the Traveling Wilburys Let's You know Let's throw that name Doesn't count No you can't Because that's a super group
Starting point is 01:29:55 You can't do that So I'm saying like As solo artists The combined efforts Of Glenn Frey Joe Walsh Don Henley Are going to be
Starting point is 01:30:03 Pretty significant Sure Up against Other bands I think Genesis Beats them But again of Glenn Frey, Joe Walsh, Don Henley are going to be pretty significant up against other trios from other bands. I think Genesis beats them. But again, Mike Rutherford is a soul artist. He has at least three hits. I know he's got a few
Starting point is 01:30:14 songs. Okay, he's got three, but think about how many hits freaking Phil Collins had. Phil Collins alone would probably have more than all the Eagles guys and probably all the Beatles guys. And Peter Gabriel had a long... Phil Collins alone would probably have more than all the Eagles guys and probably all the Beatles guys. Right. And Peter Gabriel had a long, you know, even leading up to Sledgehammer and beyond, he had a bunch of hits.
Starting point is 01:30:32 Mike Rutherford was like Mike and the Mechanics, right? That's right. That's correct. And they had a little tour with him. All I need is a miracle. All I need is you. It's featured in a Leon's commercial. Okay. What we're going to do now is I'm going to kick out a jam. There's a goal that everyone remembers It was back in old 72
Starting point is 01:31:05 We all squeezed the stick and we all pulled the trigger And all I remember is sitting beside you You said you didn't give a fuck about hockey And I never saw someone say that before You held my hand and we walked home The long way you were loosening my grip on Bobby Orr Isn't it amazing anything's accomplished When the metal sensation gets in your way
Starting point is 01:31:36 Not one ambition whispering over your shoulder Isn't it amazing? Okay, my heart rates up. I actually really, really like this song. That's why I chose it. The Tragically Hip's Fireworks with that great opening verse there about the Summit Series and Bobby Orr
Starting point is 01:31:58 and fucking kills. Paul Henderson. Henderson is scored for Canada. Yeah, I fucking love this song Paul Henderson. Henderson has scored for Canada. Yeah. I fucking love this song. And that's all about a lot of hockey references in this thing. Before we analyze this song, can we just add Wu-Tang Clan to that list of groups that had solo artists? Oh, my God.
Starting point is 01:32:19 Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Sorry about that. Tragically Hip. Tragically Hip. Fantastic group. This is a song I'm not that familiar with.
Starting point is 01:32:27 Were you in LA when this was out? It did come across my Google searchings. I did notice it when I was looking for sports songs. But I'm glad you picked it because now we get to hear about it. This is called Fireworks, right? That's the name of the song, right? I'm familiar with the Katy Perry song, Fireworks.
Starting point is 01:32:44 Stu, for the record when this can you yeah that's right for the record stew you were in la when this uh when this song was released yeah probably i don't know because i don't know it because it's a monster hit in this country this was all over the radio this is same album as bob right? Yeah, I wouldn't have known it. If it came out in the 2000s, I was unaware of it. Do you like it? I mean, it's nice. I didn't know it was the Tragically Hip until he started singing,
Starting point is 01:33:13 because you're not used to hearing like a slide guitar sort of gimmick from them. Nonsense boots or hearts. I'm up to here. But live, like I've seen them live many, many times. Sadly, we'll never see them live again. But this was a big live song. Like even when I was listening to it in the headphones,
Starting point is 01:33:31 I could hear myself singing along at the show. You don't think these guys would tour again with a different singer under the right circumstances? Sacrilegious. Is it? Yeah. What if they did a tour, the surviving members, with like kind of the rotating vocalist thing where like you know a little stephen page a little ron hawkins a little uh holly cole a
Starting point is 01:33:54 little guy from wide mouth mason how about only only fotms like uh andy yeah like there'd be yeah andy mays easily you could slot in there Moe Berg Ron Hawkins Gino Vanelli Kish Is there room for Molly Johnson on the bill Yeah Like a Kumbaya festival
Starting point is 01:34:18 Ralph Benmerge So it's unreleased because it just was Recorded yesterday but Crap he did too. I can't remember which one. I think it was Tara Sloan. So I'm like here doing my thing and I have Tara Sloan in her home and Ralph Ben-Murgy in Hamilton.
Starting point is 01:34:32 And we're meeting on Zoom and I'm not talking because it's not my show. But I'm listening and I'm recording and doing my shit. And the Kumbaya Festival came up at the Convo. And so Ralph's telling a story about, I guess he was one of the people who was on the stage talking to the crowd at the Kumbaya Festival. It's funny how often that you know, and by the way, Stephen Page
Starting point is 01:34:52 is my guest on Tuesday, I think. Congratulations. Thank you. But he was also, as you know, at the Kumbaya Festival. So a lot of references to Kumbaya everywhere. Stephen Page seems like he obviously had a few down years where, you know,
Starting point is 01:35:08 he perhaps kind of retreated from the public eye as he dealt with some stuff. You can Google what that's all about. It seems like he's really, it seems like he's doing quite a few interviews and just like touring more. And he's just, he seems a lot more present. Like he's really kind of a force again
Starting point is 01:35:25 he's in the uh trans canada highwaymen that's right with uh can you name them all we had uh chris murphy from sloan you had craig northy from the odds you had the aforementioned mo berger the pursuit of happiness Happiness saying Gretzky rocks. I'm not sure if we're going to be hearing that a bit later. And then you have the aforementioned Stephen Page, former of the Barenaked Ladies. Moe Berg is a big Blackhawks fan. Did you know that? I went to see a game in Buffalo at the odd back in the day, which Stu's all-time favorite player, I think, was probably on the team. Paddy LaFontaine.
Starting point is 01:36:06 La, la, la, la, LaFontaine! Yeah. I actually saw Moe Berg there at The Odd. This was in the 90s. I was there with my dad. Wow. I was so close to picking the song Moe Bumba for this list, but I thought it would be too contemporary. I don't know if you know that song. Do you know Moe Bumba?
Starting point is 01:36:22 I know the player Moe Bumba. You don't know the song? It's like, I got all calling. You don't know if you know that song do you know mo bumba i know the player mo bumba who's who's you don't know the science like i got oh call it you don't know that song no oh man it's a great one mo bumba that is a great contemporary rap song who's the artist though uh the artist is uh uh mo bumba uh i'll find out okay we'll look it up. We got to get kicking here before we lose Levi Fumka to another Zoom call. So let's kick out another Cam Gordon. Hold on. Hold on a second. Sheck Wes is the name of the guy.
Starting point is 01:36:52 Sheck Wes. Sheck Wes. Oh, yeah. Sheck Wes. Stu Stone, may I proceed? Am I allowed to proceed? Yes. Here comes Tanya Harding.
Starting point is 01:37:02 She now, Tanya Harding, with a chance to win a trip to Germany. It's such a tremendous difference. If you finish third, you skate in Munich. If you finish fourth, you stay at home and watch on television. She was second there for the original program, 20 years ago. What the fuck is this? A little bit of a tone change here. Let's let breathe a bit and then we'll, we'll fill you in a second.
Starting point is 01:37:46 This sounds like the guy that sings like, Hey, nah, nah, nah. Hey, the dream academy. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:37:54 Northern town. Yeah. It's a similar vibe. I suppose. Triple X alone. you guys are very familiar with this no, I heard it for the first time when... Okay, show of hands, Ian. Put down your fucking soup.
Starting point is 01:38:30 I see you eating too. Has anyone heard this? Just show of hands. Anyone? About no over four. So while I'm having a Wade Boggs type of night, you're having sort of a Garth Orge type of night. Well, I mean, we talk about a song about sports.
Starting point is 01:38:49 I mean, this is literally talking about triple axles. No, the song is actually really good. No, sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt you. More of a Nelson Liriano kind of night, maybe. But go ahead, Cam. Lord Nelson. So this is a song called Tanya Harding, obviously, about the figure skater by,
Starting point is 01:39:08 I might need a pronunciation check on the Sufjan Stevens, kind of the precious singer songwriter of the early two thousands and into this day. This is one of his more recent songs. I think he put this out on spot. We have some like recent songs. You strange. You have some recent songs. You. It's strange. You have. I have some recent songs. Yeah, so this came out, I think he put it out around the same time. It's not in that movie that came out about Tonya Harding, but I think he put it out around the same time.
Starting point is 01:39:37 Sort of his rendition of what happened with Jeff Gululi and that whole affair. She was actually asked about this song. Tonya Harding was not a fan of the lyrics and the presentation. I can't believe you had the nerve to ask her that. Well, we go way back. It's like asking Yoko Ono what she thinks of Be My Yoko Ono by the Barenaked Ladies. It could go either way. She would say, like, I haven't heard that song.
Starting point is 01:40:09 I don't... Spoiler alert, but I heard the other day Stephen Page telling Ralph Ben-Murray the story of bumping into Sean Lennon at a club in New York, and Sean Lennon running up to Stephen Page and Ed Robertson and saying, I love that song about my mom.
Starting point is 01:40:26 Wow, so maybe she does know it. Wow. I just figured she would be too, you know. She knows it. But again, I love this song. I think it's awesome. You know, if Cam was a band that you were really a big fan of, right? And you
Starting point is 01:40:40 spent your hard-earned money to see Cam come to your town to play a concert. He's the type of guy that's playing all of his new songs. He's not rewarding his legions of fans with the hits that they came for. He wants to play his new songs.
Starting point is 01:40:55 You know, Wigfield, like these obscure hits that I talk about. Tom Cockerick, Big League, you know, this obscure indie artist that no one's ever heard of. I have so many things to say. I'm referring to songs that when we say, like, raise your
Starting point is 01:41:12 hand if you've heard it, at least one person raises their hand. I think it's nice to have a mix. Personally, you know, we discover some great tunes. Like, this is a great song. Mike said off the top that he really likes this song. I need a couple of things. I think he's just doing a little lip service.
Starting point is 01:41:27 This gentleman, who I've heard him before, he had the Illinois album, right? But he has the song that haunts me in a beautiful way. My son shares this love, too. He's sleeping around the corner right now. But there's a great movie called Call Me By Your Name. It's a couple years ago now.
Starting point is 01:41:43 And I love this movie. I love this movie. I love this movie. And this, the big song from this movie is a, and I have trouble with his name too, but a, uh, suffering,
Starting point is 01:41:52 suffering, Stephen. Okay. That gentleman has the big song from call me by your name. And you should Google this or whatever. It's a song called mysteries of love. It's hauntingly beautiful. Like his music is gorgeous. It washes over you called Mysteries of Love. It's hauntingly beautiful. His music is gorgeous.
Starting point is 01:42:06 Is that song about sports? Maybe. No, it's not. It's about love. Now it's mysterious. That's next week's topic. And I need to shout out, before we lose Lieve Fumke to her other Zoom call,
Starting point is 01:42:18 I see a chat here that she put in the chat window here that no one can see except us, that when she i guess when when juan heard this song was called boys of summer juan uh thought it was by brian adams as well am i getting that right and this caused such a fight between me and my nephew's mother that it's i'm worried now about my relationship with juan when I see him at the next TMLX because that's... Yeah, but your nephew's mother
Starting point is 01:42:49 was born in Canada, right? But why does Juan think that? Is it because he's confusing it with Summer of 69 as well? No, I think it was just the voice. But it doesn't sound like Brian Adams. Don Henley doesn't sound like Brian Adams, right? I was going to say if you mistook him for like Bruce Springsteen or John Cougar Mellencamp, Brian Adams. Don Henley doesn't sound like Bryan Adams, right? I was going to say if you mistook him for like Bruce Springsteen or John Cougar Mellencamp, Bryan Adams.
Starting point is 01:43:09 The last guy sounded more like the singer of Hey In My Mind. More than Bryan Adams and Don Henley sound alike. Did you say Bruce Springsteen, Cam? You said Bruce Springsteen? Like Bryan Adams, Bruce Springsteen. I can see how you can mix up their style. More than Don Henley. I'm just saying Don Henley is like a...
Starting point is 01:43:31 This is not my jam. He said Bruce, so I skipped you to go to me, but we'll do you twice. I sort of missed what you were doing there. That's not my jam. This is my jam, not Stu's. Like Al Bundy. All we keep talking about is glory days. Well, let's pass you by glory days. Like Al Bundy, Popeye.
Starting point is 01:44:11 Right. And I think it's used to, in fact, I know it is, you famously like to remind us that artists that were big in the 60s and 70s kind of in the mid-80s have these big moments, right? Oh, I thought you were going to put them on the list of artists we thought were Jewish but aren't. Steen, right. Right, because there's actually a movie called Blinded by the Light,
Starting point is 01:44:34 which is very good. It's better than yesterday, but the dad thinks he's Jewish because his name is Bruce Springsteen, and all the Steens are Jewish, right, of course. Not this one. Not this one. Steen and all the Steens are Jewish, right? Of course, but not this one. So, um, this album born in the USA was my introduction to Bruce Springsteen. That was my, so, so everyone who's like a little older than me, let's say 50, 50 plus, they're all in love with like a seventies
Starting point is 01:45:00 Bruce. Okay. Like to Run. That whole era of Bruce. I miss 70s Bruce. This is the Bruce I grew up with. There's definitely legions of women and men, mostly women, that love and swear by Bruce. A lot of men
Starting point is 01:45:20 too. Bruce Springsteen has legions of loyal fans that just are obsessed with him and like you a lot of generations a whole generation was introduced to him in the 80s now in the 80s in the mid 80s nothing was hotter than being pro-america right you know hulkamania you know rocky balboa all that type of stuff uh but uh but uh bruce springsteen born in the usa i mean even though it's just not a song even though it's not it's another one of those uh our lady peace type songs where you listen to it it's not really what you think it is
Starting point is 01:45:56 but born in the usa was such a patriotic anthem that's how we a lot of us met bruce springsteen for the first time. And for the record, he had the jeans with the little rag in the back pocket. George Michael worked better. I think that he came before George. He did, but I'm just saying.
Starting point is 01:46:17 Because he's 84 or something. Go ahead. 85 or something. The video for the song shows him playing baseball, right? Yep. The opening line talks about he could blow a speedball. Like you said, Polk High. There's an Al Bundy Polk High theme about peaking too early, if you will, like peaking in high school or whatever.
Starting point is 01:46:38 It's a great song. For those that don't know, Al Bundy had five touchdowns in one game for Polk High. That's a Married With Children reference for Juan, who is not from Canada. I bet you that Married with Children made its way to Columbia. I don't think so. I don't know. I can think of other things that were flowing in Columbia, but not Married with Children. Coffee. Coffee. Yes, okay. Stick of coffee coffee that's the safest bet there
Starting point is 01:47:06 uh two escobars is another a tale of two escobars is another fantastic uh yeah 30 for 30 documentary i love those things okay so mike i feel like you need to get lauren honickman to do like a scrub of this episode and uh send out some cease and desist letters to some of the record as host because he told me what to do if i ever have a guest on who says something like, if you have a guest on who says something like Wayne Gretzky was on steroids, I'm supposed to, he gave me a big coaching lesson. Hypothetically. Yeah, well, let's say I had that hypothetically. I'm supposed to stop down
Starting point is 01:47:34 and go, now wait a minute, Stu Stone. That's speculation. There's zero evidence that that is true. I've seen it. I saw it with my own eyes. I want to apologize to Wayne Gretzky and his entire family for the comments expressed there by Steve Stone. Oh, sorry. You're right. I was thinking
Starting point is 01:47:50 of Brent. Oh, Brent. He was a St. John's Maple Leaf. A Tampa Bay Lightning. But he was also a St. John's Maple Leaf. Yes. Brent Gretzky was a St. John's Maple Leaf. And I remember at some point making a joke to somebody that Gretzky was a St. John's maple leaf. And I remember at some point making a joke to somebody that Gretzky was a leaf.
Starting point is 01:48:06 And they were like, what? And then I said, yeah, Brent Gretzky is a maple leaf farm. Anyway, it was not a good joke. I'm going to have Lorne Honigman scrub that joke from this episode. You know what would be a great exercise? This would be very fun for some sports fans of our vintage. I like fun. What? Looking at the Leafs circa 1988
Starting point is 01:48:28 when Wayne Gretzky got traded. I feel like this has probably been done. I'm probably remembering like an old Toronto Star article. Like what would have been the package the Leafs could have given up at that time that would have trumped the Jimmy Carson Marta Angelina draft picks. Maybe like a
Starting point is 01:48:43 Daniel Merriak package. But if I may, the biggest part that Pocklington wanted was the cash. Like it was all about the cash. And there's no way Harold fucking Ballard was cutting a check to Peter Pocklington. Yeah, but you guys are like not looking at the big picture. The real reason why that trade happened is the league needed Gretzky to be not playing in Edmonton. They wanted him to go to Los Angeles and boom hockey. Who was the commissioner? Gary Bettman.
Starting point is 01:49:10 No, Ziegler. Ziegler? Oh, Ziegler, Ziegler, right, right. So, Stu, what you're saying is you think somehow, and I think this was in that 30 for 30 documentary alluded to this, the league somehow exerted pressure to get him to. I mean, it was doing them no favors to have their best player playing
Starting point is 01:49:28 in Edmonton in the 80s. Nobody gave a shit about Edmonton outside of Canada. And LA, as you know, LA, this was the big market they were trying to... And it certainly worked, by the way. Hockey exploded in America, specifically on the West Coast.
Starting point is 01:49:45 Hockey exploded thanks to Gretzky. And Mary Hart, who really took to the sport. Yeah, and then, of course, his wife was that supermodel. What's her name? Janet. Janet Jones. Janet Jones. Janet Jones.
Starting point is 01:50:00 Who was in Police Academy 6. Something like that, yeah. She also, there was quite a scandal a few years ago with her and her Rick Tockett gambling on hockey, although you don't hear about that too much. We don't talk ill of the great ones.
Starting point is 01:50:17 We don't besmirch the great Wayne Gretzky. It's like, if Gretzky doesn't know that his wife is betting on sports, is that the same way that Sandra Bullock didn't know that her husband had like a Nazi thing in his basement? Oh, like Ace of Base. No, no. Like Jesse James was Sandra Bullock's husband. Right. And he had like a whole Nazi sort of room. And she claimed that she didn't know that it was there. How can you live in a house and not know there's a Nazi room in your house? I'll say this. I think it's
Starting point is 01:50:49 amazing that the Oilers trade Gretzky and two years later still won the Stanley Cup. Yeah, that is amazing. I feel like they don't get enough credit for that. Bill Ramford. Messier. Messier, yeah. That was awesome. With Esotikon in. So we should remind people that Messier has six rings and Gretzky only has four.
Starting point is 01:51:07 Gretzky never won again. He never won again. Did you guys see there was an article in Sportsnet just like two days ago where Gretzky said Leafs would have won the Stanley Cup in 1993? If that high-sticking call actually... He basically said that, which is just kind of weird. I mean, how would he know? Because if you can beat us, you can win it. Meanwhile, they couldn't win it. Well, it goes to show you, it's like sports is
Starting point is 01:51:30 a team game, right? As good as Gretzky is, it shows you that he needed the supporting cast to make it happen. Like Jordan without Pippen. Jordan never won without Scottie Pippen. Well, to be fair, we only saw him without Scotty Pippen
Starting point is 01:51:45 when he was like 45 playing for the Wizards. Gretzky definitely did play with Bernie Nichols in the Kings. I remember this specifically now that I'm honoring this. But he didn't have Paul Coffey. Did Paul Coffey end up going there eventually? No, but he had Luke Robitaille, who was a Hall of Fame. I was like, Robitaille, Nichols. No defense, though. No defense.
Starting point is 01:52:05 Yeah, then Rob Blake. Wasn't Rob Blake? Larry Murphy? A bit later, yeah. Paul Coffey did go there eventually, but that was probably like five years later. Kelly Rudy. Herudy. Right. Is Kelly Rudy an FOTM? Not yet. Not yet.
Starting point is 01:52:20 I should work on that. I should work on that. I'm just now getting to the... Well, actually, he's a local guy because he's on Hawking and Ken. I think I can get him when this... Is Juan's name Juan de Hong? No.
Starting point is 01:52:38 Why, do you know a Juan de Hong? No, I just am seeing... I thought maybe they were married or something. Oh, you know what? We are married, but I kept my my maiden name. Oh, very good. Power to you. What happened to keeping her anonymous as Levi Fumka?
Starting point is 01:52:54 I thought we talked about this. Well, he pronounced my last name so horribly wrong. No one would know it. OK, look, I have to apologize to you, Stu. I went out of order because I got really excited when Cam said Bruce Springsteen. And I'm like, my next jam is Bruce. Let's go back and get Cam. No, let's go back and get Stu.
Starting point is 01:53:11 And then we'll do Cam. And then we'll do Stu again. Quick update. Who won the last round? Well, we're still in this round. Because I haven't played my song yet. And I'm cleaning up, by the way. It's a clean sweep so far. It's not a competition.
Starting point is 01:53:24 But here we go. Come on now. Everybody knows this one. Tiger is playing sports. Is that a thing? Is this a sport? Ever since I became the champ.
Starting point is 01:53:46 The champ is here. What is that guy's name, the champ? I hit him in the soloplex and he went for it. That was like some bit on sports talk radio, like the guy who gave the pro-line picks. No, that was brother Jake Edwards. On the Edwards Air Force Base, that was... Right, the champ is on the edwards air force base uh that was right the champ is here he'd call in and be the champ he didn't call in he was the host of the uh morning zoo
Starting point is 01:54:12 and brother jake edwards would go on to work in vancouver for many years but he most recently before retiring he was hosting something with gene volitis from jesse and gene who was also at palma pasta that day That you all met Wow I feel like I have a photo That I took of Toronto Mike Stewstone Gene Valaitis And was it Lou Skeezes Lou fucking Skeezes
Starting point is 01:54:36 Yeah he was there It was basically like the Four Horsemen reboot Speaking of the Trans Canada Highwaymen okay so I have a question about this song Is this Eye of the Tiger? But is it, sure it's a theme song We know it from Rocky 2
Starting point is 01:54:51 Rocky 2? 3, 3, come on Okay Just to clarify Again, the theme of this show Because I think it's time to Let me just like, you know what Because Eye of the tiger is actually a boxing expression the eye of the tiger only because of this song being no no no that's not true yeah it
Starting point is 01:55:12 is an actual dialogue in the fucking movie where he says eye of the tiger rock eye of the tiger but number three carter was getting ready for a match uh he would right exactly also fun fact, Hulk Hogan, who we've already referred to several times, who was in Rocky III, before he had his iconic
Starting point is 01:55:31 I Am A Real American song, he used to come to the ring to this song. And of course, that song was Rick Martel's, right? Like that wasn't originally a Hulk Hogan thing. No, no, no.
Starting point is 01:55:40 It was Barry Windham and Mike Rotunda. Okay, right. Yeah. But my point is, this is a sports song as there ever was one. Okay, if I may, since I came up with this theme. I said the song had to reference a sport, okay? And in my opinion, this song...
Starting point is 01:55:57 No, you're wrong. You hear the first tune of this song, you think boxing right away. Okay, wait, wait, wait. Let's look at the lyric sheet. Rising up back on the street. The street, not the boxing right away. Wait, wait, wait. Let's look at the lyric sheet. Rising up back on the street. The street, not the hockey rink. That's fine. He's talking about the boxing rink. You're the
Starting point is 01:56:12 one that referred to boxing as people who had to fight their way off the streets, and he's telling the story. Go ahead. Did my time, took my chances. Yada, yada, yada. Hanging tough. You know, shout out to NKOTb yes staying hungry just scanning this for sports went the distance yep well keep going i think it's about it's about heroin abuse
Starting point is 01:56:35 right like as an addict the closest i would the thrill of the fight the fight i'm gonna i'm going to allow it I'm going to allow it because I want him to have a perfect game I want Stu to have a perfect game well why don't you go to the studio audience
Starting point is 01:56:50 here and ask them if this is a sports song alright we'll start with you I know Lieve Fumka is paying attention I see her so Lieve Fumka
Starting point is 01:56:57 is this a sports song I think so she likes you she's like Linda she's a big Stu fan. Okay, Stu. So you're saying thrill of the fight, therefore it's a sport. This is a song about sports. Okay, so public enemy, fight the power.
Starting point is 01:57:14 Different fight. Different fight. Different fight. Different fight. Different fight. That's a metaphorical fight. We're talking about an actual fight here. And when you think of this song, you see Carl Weathers going ding, ding, ding.
Starting point is 01:57:27 You see all that. That's what you picture in your head when you see this. Fiery Glitter, Rock and Roll Part 2. That is a song that you would hear at sporting events, but it does not reference sports, I wouldn't think. Whereas this, Eye of the Tiger, directly references sports. Okay, we talked about this song on a past episode, Wild Thing. The Trogs version, the version by the LA punk rock band X.
Starting point is 01:57:54 Right. That could have made it. That could have made it. I would have been okay with that. No way. Come on. Because it referenced the Wild Thing, Ricky Von. Okay.
Starting point is 01:58:02 Yeah, but it was written before. Does it reference the wild thing, Ricky Von? Yeah, but it was written before. Major Tom played when Tom the Terminator, Hankey, would be approaching the moon. I'm more of a Commander Tom fan. The Commander Tom show. I don't know if you're familiar. Tom Jolson.
Starting point is 01:58:14 He's a weatherman at W... I used to pray that he'd say happy birthday to me, even when it wasn't my birthday. You know what I remember, Stu? You never did say happy birthday to me. I always tell my kids, because my kids have a plethora of animated uh shows on demand at their fingertips and i always say you know on sunday mornings when we had no school we wake up the only thing that looked like kids programming was commander tom and i you remember
Starting point is 01:58:38 davy and goliath uh the dog right so i don't know davy like rocket robin hood hercules that wasn't commander tom though that was no i'm saying like those were all those sunday morning that block of program that was a global thing yeah hercules whatever but the commander tom show like you would get that was like literally given to them by the church church of latter-day saints like that yeah like there'd always be some like messages it's always like buried right at the end. It's like, Oh, you know, God cares about our parents. So like the cat ran away,
Starting point is 01:59:09 but it's back and that's God's message. Right. Yeah. Uh, the church of Latter-day Saints, I believe. Wait, did Tim think that I have the tiger as a sports song?
Starting point is 01:59:17 Okay. Ian service who, uh, uh, from Rome phone.ca. We're going to hear a little tag at the end from Hebsey reminding us that he's responsible for hosting this wonderful program. Ian Service, what do you say about Eye of the Tiger? I would say it's synonymous with Rocky.
Starting point is 01:59:33 So I would say it's like a sports song. Wow, it's unanimous. These two bozos don't know what they're talking about. Okay, so these are the two guests. The two other people who are the actual invited guests of the show they know okay oh so when you hear that song what do you think about do you think about reading books that's not the question that's not the question oh you think about the tv show survivor with the great rudy and whatever and jeff uh
Starting point is 01:59:59 the truck driving chick uh i have watched that first season but i never watched i only watched the first season what about the guy and she's like if you were on fire in the forest i wouldn't piss on you to put you out or something like that she says the truck trucker right she had what was the name of the guy that richard richard hatch right right i remember rudy yeah he's the old like navy seal guy or something i don't know so you're saying that you think of that program when you hear the song i have the tiger no i never once said i don't think of boxing and rocky i'm just saying i tried mike gave us a theme i tailored my choices to mike's theme okay we got to get going on these last jams we're at two hours even though your first pick was questioned by mike as even being a sport altogether.
Starting point is 02:00:46 And I had your side, but I see how this goes. As far as I'm concerned, wrestling is not a sport. Well, that's disgusting for you to say that. You're a real piece of shit, Mike. Just my opinion. And I think it's because of the predetermined outcomes. It can't be a sport if it's predetermined outcomes. But okay.
Starting point is 02:01:03 I mean, you vote in elections. Alright. My lawyer is telling me to move on and play this next jam. Are you ready for the final jam from Cam Gordon? By the way, Cam, what t-shirt are you wearing right now? This is
Starting point is 02:01:21 a Tour de France t-shirt. Why don't you play the song and I'll just leave it on my, on my chest here. And what a chest it is. It's my bed, my linens. I'm sitting on my bed. Wow. Nice.
Starting point is 02:01:51 Nice. Craft work. Is this a sports song? Oh, is it? Yeah. This song is titled, tell us, Cam, what's the name of this Kraftwerk song? It's just called Tour de France.
Starting point is 02:02:19 It's about the Tour de France. I also thought this would be a good song to talk over because there's not much in the way of lyrics. So unlike some of the other choices today. This is... Oh, sorry. We picked some of the lyrics. Stu's like seething over there.
Starting point is 02:02:44 Let him have it. No, I like thisething over there. Let him have it. No, I like this. I like this. Let's get that fired up. Try to bring in like a little culture here. I like this song. I like Kraftwerk. I only really know the Calculator song.
Starting point is 02:03:00 I don't know too much Kraftwerk. Yeah. I feel like every song was about like electronics and some like robots but they were ahead of their time this is obviously a big influence over some of the music that uh electronic dance music we have today hip-hop here's here's sort of a random question do you guys like that punk sure not my favorite but i like some of it yeah i feel like they're kind of overrated. Is it just me?
Starting point is 02:03:27 Do they have the video of the dog? Dog police? The dog gets on the bus and buys a book or something. Am I got the right band name? Are you not talking about dog police? Is that the dog police? No, that's different. Who was dog police? Dog police! different i do who was dog police dog police beaver brown band or something it was a big video that was played on tv all the time the dog police
Starting point is 02:03:55 no this was a played a lot of much music this video for no dog police was the band with their self-teaching there's some good like, Google images Dog Police is quite good, too. Yeah, it was Dog Police with the song Dog Police. And not Baja Men with their Who Let the Dogs Out? That was a big jam, too. But this was a video, yeah. What song was that, Cam? The video that had the dogs? Dude, that was Daft Punk.
Starting point is 02:04:18 Daft Funk by Daft Punk. I always really like that song because I like the video of the dogs. Like, they're good. I just think people kind of lose their shit over Daft Punk these days. I don't know. Fuck Daft Punk, man. I didn't love
Starting point is 02:04:34 Get Lucky when that came out. I don't know. It's fine, but that song sort of never did anything for me. I can say that Before We Lose Her, Levi Fumka's husband Juan is a big cyclist. I think he's got like a
Starting point is 02:04:49 Peloton or something? What has he got? No, no, no. She says no. But a stationary bike of some sort that he's got in the house. Does he ride to this song? I was going to say, can you ask him to do his next workout to this Kraftwerks Tour de France?
Starting point is 02:05:05 I just told him about it and he never knew about it. So now he's going to have to listen to this episode. Just that is typical of Kim. The obscure song. That's sort of his MO. Yeah. Well, again,
Starting point is 02:05:19 last week. Whoa. Again, I brought some Wigfield. I brought, who else did we listen to last week well you brought tom cochran and you brought uh bob dylan to this week's episode those are two big mainstream acts come on stew that's two for five he was looking for jacob dylan but he couldn't find uh oh the
Starting point is 02:05:40 wallflowers right right right 16 what was that song one headlight right okay so do i let craft work finish or can i get on to the next no i think you could get we we have a sense of this all right i'm excited to kick this one out uh this is the final stewstone jam and mids a banger and an fot hold on hold on this is like probably the most prolific sports song in the history of this city I'm gonna just say that I'm gonna say that this is the most prolific sports song in the history of this city wow with an FOTM doing the vocals which makes it special let's kick it out you got a diamond, you got nine men That's banjo, you didn't notice the banjo in the song before, but it's there
Starting point is 02:06:34 That's not all, you got the bleachers Got them from spring till fall You got a dog, and a drink, and an umpire's call What do you want? Let's play ball They probably sold a lot of copies of this record in the city. The 45 single was a soundly hot cake. By the Bat Boys. Oh, that's the credited Like this is Keith Hampshire
Starting point is 02:07:08 I thought it was called the Bat Boys Yeah but the yes But the vocalist is Keith Hampshire Yes He was in Lighthouse or what band was he in Solo guy he had big hits like It's like a 70s CanCon artist, right? Definitely.
Starting point is 02:07:27 Sort of like the... The First Cut is the Deepest. Do you remember that? His cover of The First Cut is the Deepest is a big CanCon hit. Okay. He actually worked on Caroline, the pirate radio boat that they had out in the UK.
Starting point is 02:07:44 Do you know Radio Caroline? caroline pirate radio so he used to be a dj on that back in the like late 60s or whatever but he's hampshire's a big fucking deal you should really listen to his episode of toronto mic in which he goes into great detail as to how he ends up singing this song sorry sort of has like a randy newman vibe yeah yeah yeah the short people got no reason. I'm really surprised. You know, I stayed away from some songs expecting them to be here. Like, we're talking baseball.
Starting point is 02:08:15 The day began with dinner. Well, I didn't. It's partially why I chose. Oh. This is holding up from the 1986. Yeah, I was expecting that to be one of them. This is Talking Baseball by the same artist, Terry Cashman, but he changed the lyrics to 10 years. Yeah, they get that for every local market.
Starting point is 02:08:37 This was given to me, sent to me by FOTM Ken Daniels recently. And on his B side is, because the Talkin' Baseball title is not Talkin' Baseball. It's actually called Willie, Mickey, and the Duke. Yeah. I would say, I would argue to say
Starting point is 02:08:54 that that song we just heard, which was the most prolific sports song in the history of this city, is the only song that has ever been played on the Toronto Mike Show or anywhere on planet Earth that references Dave Steep. Right. He throws down a smoker.
Starting point is 02:09:12 Although like, have you ever actually played on your podcast, any of those variety village albums? I bet some of those might've referenced Dave Steep. Yeah, that's true. They probably, yes. That's a bit of a nitpick. I have played them early and often. In fact, I had once, I had Mike Wilner on my program
Starting point is 02:09:30 just so we could listen to those old songs and talk about them. And of course, every time... What are those songs? They're parodies. Well, most of them are parodies. It depends on them. Some of them are actually like Home Run, RBI.
Starting point is 02:09:42 Like there's some of them are actually like original compositions, but most of them are parodies. Like We we fought the jays and the jays won or whatever like it's just a you know a cover a parody of we fought the law or whatever a lot like that uh you know humble and fred have each kick done like parody songs like that for variety uh village and we're going off to edmonton all right since wings fly away. All right. Since we've lost Levi Fumka, but we still have Tim. I mean, sorry, Ian Serv is with us. Let's kick out my final jam because it might be controversial.
Starting point is 02:10:11 I don't know. I did criticize off the top. I criticized Cam for kicking out a wrestling song because I said it wasn't a sport. Sure fucking did. Guys, let's do another screen cap. This is a better look, I i think i'll give you a minute okay you ready okay one two three three
Starting point is 02:10:31 all right wait a minute what are we listening to here let's stopppelin? What is this? Hang in there. Hang in there. One Night in Bangkok? Is it One Night in Bangkok? It's like the Sisters of Mercy, is it not? Hurry, head. Bangkok, oriental city, but the city don't know what the city is. The creme de la creme of the chess world in a show with everything. It's Yul Brynner. Uh-huh. You know I am a sucker for songs with talking. level there's no ordinary venue it's iceland or the philippines or hastings or this place all right guys let me have it i never would have
Starting point is 02:11:38 considered this a sports song i can't even think of what the reference to sports is. Alright, Cam, you want to pile on and you want to echo those sentiments? My only idea is I feel like in the video there was like karate or like Muay Thai or like some judo or some one of the martial arts from
Starting point is 02:11:59 Thailand. I'm going to put forward the argument for your consideration now that because of its requirement that you be so physically fit and mentally sharp, chess is a sport. This song is all
Starting point is 02:12:16 about chess. Don't all talk at once here. Okay, so I'm arguing that chess is far more of a sport than wrestling and sorry how is this song about chess oh it's all about chess like if you break down the lyrics it's about a chess match and oh it requires you to break down the lyrics this song is 100 about chess chess. Like, that's actually not an argument. It's not up for debate. The debate that we could have
Starting point is 02:12:49 is whether chess is a sport. But I believe it is. And I believe this is the epitome, and I chose it to go last on purpose, the epitome of a sports song. It's all about a chess match. Okay, Kenny Rogers, the gambler.
Starting point is 02:13:07 Sports song? Yes. match okay kenny rogers the gambler yes wow god this is from the play the musical chess you're obviously not yes it's from it's by marie head who's also from uh jesus christ we'll check in with ian in a moment but uh he's from jesus christ superstar he's a this is yeah marie head and it yes it is uh from chess the musical broadway musical and it's all about a chess match read the lyrics as you wish but i'm guessing that your suggestions are that chess is not a sport therefore this disqualified so i never said that i know know, I'm putting words in your mouth. I am actually
Starting point is 02:13:48 just reading the actual, had you done a little research, which you rarely do, you would actually read that there is no mention other than that it appears in a play called Chess. There is nothing. Read the first verse of the lyrics. Somebody call up the lyrics. The main song is a pop styling whose lyrics
Starting point is 02:14:04 compare the Thai capital city and its nightlife with the game of chess. It's a comparison of nightlife not playing the game of chess. It's not playing the game of chess. It's a metaphor. It mentions chess in the lyrics and it's about chess. I mean, you're saying
Starting point is 02:14:19 Eye of the Tiger is not a fucking sports song and you're saying that this is a chess song. It's fucking ridiculous. I'll say this. Eye of the Tiger more of a fucking sports song, and you're saying that this is a chess song. It's fucking ridiculous. I'll say this. I have the Tiger more of a sports song than One Night in Bangkok. I mean, it's ridiculous that I have the Tiger is questioned, yet this is your offering, your number one, might I add. And you can argue you played in any given order, but that's bullshit.
Starting point is 02:14:41 I have a question, because this was almost on my list. I think I swapped in Kraftwerk. LL Cool J Mama Said Knock You Out. That would have qualified. That would be a sports song. I was actually thinking of putting in some Nas songs where he says Iron Sheik's name or some rap song where they just say Ken Batera's name.
Starting point is 02:15:00 Nas has a few that I think would qualify. The creme de la creme of the chess world in a show with everything but Yul Brynner. And further, next second verse says, since the triol in the, I can't say this word, the tyrol and spa had the chess boys in it. There's numerous references in this song to chess. It's clearly about chess. Okay, that's fine, but your argument about chess not... You're playing a song
Starting point is 02:15:28 about chess in a thing about sports. That's real cool, Mike. That's real cool. Lana Del Rey video games. Is that a sports song? Ian Service, unmute yourself for a moment and chime in here, if you will. No one is saying that chess is not a sport.
Starting point is 02:15:43 It's just your accusations that Eye of the Tiger and pro wrestling is not a sport. Pro wrestling is not a sport. Chess is not a sport. It's a game. My argument is chess is a sport. But nobody can really argue that wrestling is a sport. Well, it is actually called sports entertainment. The word sports is at least in the description.
Starting point is 02:16:06 Okay, now Ian has another call and cannot join us. Oh, guys, guys, this is big. This is big. Okay, guys. Oh, my God. Hold on, hold on, hold on. I just Googled, is chess a sport? The answer is no.
Starting point is 02:16:22 Chess is not a sport? The answer is no. Chess is not a sport. Dictionary.com defines sport as an athletic activity requiring skill or physical prowess and often of a competitive nature as the basis of chess competition is not athletic. Guys, this is what we need to do. Another Twitter poll. Simple question.
Starting point is 02:16:40 What is more of a sport? Professional wrestling or chess? Let the MOTM decide. You're absolutely fucking ridiculous. Click on that, Cam. Click on What is more of a sport? Professional wrestling or chess? Yes. This is it. Guys, you're absolutely fucking ridiculous. The actual... Click on that, Cam. Click on what I just sent in the chat. Click on it right now.
Starting point is 02:16:54 Malware or something? Just click it. Not a sport. Chess is not even a sport, Mike. What theory? Guys, go to GarbageDay.com slash Toronto Mike and sign up. Will you sons of bitches? I want to hear you sign up. Another victory for Stu Stone on another magical week.
Starting point is 02:17:11 We're not picking the garbage. Next week's theme song's not about sports. I want you guys to be signed up before we talk next Friday. And by the way, we'll leave it. We'll do that. Good idea. Let's ask people. What's more of a sport? I do like Murray Head, by the way. You know I it. We'll do that good idea. Let's ask people, what's more of a sport?
Starting point is 02:17:25 I do like Murray Head, by the way, and you know how much I'm a sucker for songs with talking, so I like the song, but Mike, you got a lot of nerve.
Starting point is 02:17:31 You got a lot of nerve. We'll put it on Twitter. That's a great, Twitter's a great social media service. I love it. So maybe, Cam, you put that on Twitter.
Starting point is 02:17:40 Let's let the people vote. Like, what's more of a sport? Wrestling? Or chess? Thank you guys for joining me. Happy birthday, Leevae Fumpka. Ian, always a fucking pleasure. I know you're on a call, but Stew Stone, Cam Gordon,
Starting point is 02:17:53 I love this. Next week, I'm picking the theme. You are. Yes, you are. Do you have any idea what you're doing yet, or are you going to think about it? I'll let you know. I'll let you know, but it will be songs about chess, so hopefully there's more. And that. Monica also laughs at me the way I say it like that.
Starting point is 02:18:13 She goes, why do you say it like that every time? But I think it's something consistent, a consistent thread throughout episodes of Toronto Mike that I'm going to say, I'm going to say, throughout episodes of Toronto Mike that I'm going to say, I'm going to say, and that brings us to the end of our 628th show.
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