Toronto Mike'd: The Official Toronto Mike Podcast - Steve Ryan Kicks Out the Jams: Toronto Mike'd Podcast Episode 1580

Episode Date: November 16, 2024

In this 1581st episode of Toronto Mike'd, Mike catches up with CP24's Steve Ryan as he kicks out some hard-boiled jams. Toronto Mike'd is proudly brought to you by Great Lakes Brewery, Palma Pasta, Ridley Funeral Home, The Advantaged Investor podcast from Raymond James Canada, The Yes We Are Open podcast from Moneris and RecycleMyElectronics.ca. If you would like to support the show, we do have partner opportunities available. Please email Toronto Mike at [e-mail]

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An award-winning podcast from Monaris, hosted by FOTM Al Greggo, RecycleMyElectronics.ca, committing to our planet's future means properly recycling our electronics of the past, and Ridley Funeral Home, pillars of the community since 1921. Today, returning to Toronto Mike to kick out the jams is CP24 Steve Ryan. Welcome back Steve. Thanks for having me. Now we had a little mix-up so I'm just gonna disclose it when people say why is why is Mike so cranky with Steve Ryan? I had in my calendar 11 a.m. but you had in your

calendar noon. I had it for noon and then when you got a hold of me twice this morning I thought you were very anxious to see me or maybe I've got the time wrong. I looked and went oh boy it was 11 o'clock. Well listen I forgive you you know that's good for the soul right? Forgiveness. You got to forgive people for making human errors and I'm excited to kick out the jams with you today. Yeah, I mean, I'm looking forward to it. I'm wearing this shirt. Okay, I want to ask you off the top and then we're gonna get to the first jam and we'll catch up between the songs. So we'll dive into your first jam, we'll talk about it, then we'll catch up. But I want to hear about what you're wearing, but

I'm just going to share with you and the listenership that I am wearing the oldest shirt that's in my like rotation and I haven't worn it in a while, but this is a shirt I bought at the Molson Park and Berry Pearl Jam show in 1998. I paid $40 for it. It's the only shirt I still wear that I bought in the 1990s do you Steve Ryan wear any shirts that you purchased in the 1990s that's a big no no okay tell me about the the hoodie you're wearing so this hoodie thanks for asking it's my own my own brand it's the the Rhino the rhinoceros is me the Rhino that was my nickname as a kid growing up the Rhino love it and Pink as you may or may not know many do that pink is my my color, right?

That's the color like cling on to when I was in homicide for hope and and and good over evil So I sell these as well. I'm not plugging these today, but I saw them and plug them what like what's the point? Where would somebody go if they wanted a pink Rhino? apparel? So I've just recently changed, they can just contact me on Twitter and I certainly will get one out to them. And money that I do collect, I do donate some of that to a domestic violence charity because I've worked very closely with the domestic violence advocates for a very long time and I'm a believer in doing everything we can to get rid of domestic violence.

So it's SR Project, that's a project of hope, it's on my arm. Love it. And when we take our photo by the Toronto tree after this jam kicking, people can see it in the photo if they aren't watching live at live.torontomike.com. So I love that Who's currently winning the battle of good versus evil? That's a big question, but i'm just wondering what's the current score? I think Good will prevail right now evil is giving good a run for its its money

The cops evil plays dirty right evil plays with their own set of rules and the cops are out They're playing by the rules doing the best that they can But you know well getting political they need help they need help with from our legislators well between these jams we'll dive in a little more there maybe I can get you to get a little political who knows but I'm kind of ready to hear the answer to the first question which is a bigger question than even that one. And the question to you, Steve Ryan is, are you ready to kick out the jams? I certainly am ready to listen to you kick out my jams.

Yes, I am. That's a yes. That's a yes, everybody. So I don't know if you've heard any jam kickings, but I literally play a bit of it. You can talk over it if you want, cause they're your jams. And then at some point I'll bring it down

and I'll make you talk about it. I can't hide the way I feel about you anymore I listen to this song almost on a daily basis. I just absolutely love the words of this song and I love the sounds of his voice, Travis's voice. Let's listen for a bit. I can't hold the hurt inside Keep the pain out of my eyes anymore

My tears no longer wait My resistance ain't that strong My mind keeps recreating a life with you alone. And I'm tired of pretending. Love is here. So does he not love her anymore or is he convincing himself that he doesn't love her anymore? Because he says I'm tired of pretending. So is he pretending he doesn't love her because maybe she's moved on or she left him? Yeah, you know what Steve? I don't even know this song but I get it now.

So does this, is it, like tell me a little more about what is it about Travis Tritz, if you're wondering who the artist is here. I don't play a lot of country music on this show, so I don't know who's listening, but Travis Tritz anymore. Like, what, you just heard it one day and it spoke to you? Yeah, it did. I like sappy love song, kind of chick flick music. That's my thing. That's your jam.

That's my jam. Well, remember your first appearance, which we'll remind people of in a moment, you disclosed your admiration for air supply. Air supply, yeah. So I didn't include any air supply songs because we talked about them last time, but all that sappy love song, can't live without you, I'm miserable because you've left me. That's my thing. So yeah, I think Travis Tritt has to act like he doesn't love her anymore, but of course he loves her. Yeah, that's my thinking too. yeah, I think Travis Tritt has to act like he doesn't love her anymore, but of course he loves her. Yeah, that's my thinking too.

Well, you know what? That's the one thing about country music is you get a good story, right? You tell your story. Good story. Dogs died, liked to drink, wife's left you, you can't pay your bills. That's life. That's life. Okay.

Travis Tritt, Anymore. Now, we'll let it brew in the background while I remind the listenership that Steve Ryan, you'll see his handsome face on CP24. Sometimes you wear those tight t-shirts to make sure we know you're lifting, right? Oh, yeah. Not so much anymore, but Anymore. Yeah, not so much anymore, but yeah. You did that on purpose because you're a professional broadcaster now here. But I want to remind the listenership.

It was almost two years ago, Steve. OK, February 2023, you drop by for episode one thousand two hundred and six. That's the twelve oh six of an episode of Toronto Mike. And here's what I wrote at the time. Mike chats with CP24 Steve Ryan about his decades of service of the Toronto police and his transition into media as CP24's crime specialist. Now here's an observation I've made.

You are the crime specialist. So when shit goes down, you're gonna be there. But you're also there talking like, hey, Taylor Swift is here. Like you're not just focusing on crime. The only crime there is that Taylor Swift stole my daughter's heart. Okay. But so you're out there doing some lighter fare. I am. And the focus has come back to mostly crime and law enforcement. So I was at Taylor Swift and that was- I saw you. That's why I'm bringing it up. My daughter is kind of nuts

about the- we're live. I don't know. don't tell your cop buddies okay but we're finding pirate streams of these concerts in Toronto look what I have look what I have I have a friendship bracelet for your daughter is that for my daughter that's your daughter I got that I call her down Morgan's upstairs watching the Simpsons I think and honestly she will love this so this is like I got that from one of Taylor Swift's production crew actually the night of the honestly this will blow her mind so after this recording we'll see if she wants to come out and receive it from you but my guess I'll put it here so don't forget it already I forgive you for being late

excellent that's all it took okay is Taylor Swift coming down next I'm checking the doors ajar in case she wants to make an appearance here but how are things going at CP 24? Fantastic. We've been very busy. I've been very busy. Lots of crime to report to our viewers. Lots of explanations to provide with regards to what is going on. And yeah, it's been fun. It's been a lot of fun. I've met a lot of people over the last few years for sure. It's funny. I made that comment. The only crime committed by Taylor is stealing my daughter's heart.

And then Basement Dweller on the live stream says, I'm lucky that Taylor Swift didn't steal my wallet. What kind of prices are those tickets going for? What have you heard on the street if I wanted to go catch a Taylor Swift show? I spoke with some parents who are up here from from the States who paid twenty five hundred dollars a pop to to see here. Now, one woman was speaking with our anchors the other day with the Bakari and Lena and they were in Vienna when the concert was canceled.

So they got on a plane, came up here and they got tickets for seven hundred plus dollars a pop. That was a deal. I guess it's all relative, right? Like I hear that and I think, OK, now you need a place to stay. And we know about the surge and the gouging going on there OK now you need a place to stay and we know about the surgeon the gouging going on there so you need a place to you know sleep you gotta get there then you got the tickets I like I got the game I don't I can't afford to play that game but I suppose if you've just got like cash lying around collecting dust you might as well spend it on these experiences I suppose suppose. Well, I never had cash lying around collecting dust, but I spent it with my daughter is now

27, but I spent many of dollars on her lining up for concerts for hours to get contra tickets for her in the past. Okay, but did you ever in 1998, did you spend $40 on a t-shirt? That's the price. I just that's the price of the shirt I'm wearing now. And I remember at the time, it felt like a lot of money. And I lined up and I said, you know what, I invented the price. That's the price of the shirt I'm wearing now. And I remember at the time, it felt like a lot of money. And I lined up and I said, you know what? I invented the phrase. That was the day Drake might have been there.

He might have heard me, but I invented the phrase YOLO. I'm in line buying this T-shirt. I'm like, you only have once 40 bucks. You only live once. I bought the T-shirt. I'm here to report almost 30 years later. It was worth the 40 bucks. I'm still wearing this thing in 2024. And I can say you fit into it, which is impressive. You know what? I'm smaller than I was in 1998. So it actually feels big, but I don't wear the extra small t-shirts like you, Steve. So I don't have the same guns. Well, we'll get to guns later.

Actually, let's get to another jam and we'll get to guns later. Both types of guns. Here we go. Another Steve Ryan jam. There's almost more than I can take Baby when you touch me I can feel how much you love me It just blows me away I've never been this close to anyone or anything I can hear your thoughts I can see your dreams I don't know how you do what you do

So in love with you It just keeps getting better I wanna spend the rest of my life you by my side Everything you do. Every little thing that you do. Baby I'm amazed by you. Lone Star. Amazed. Tell me why you love this song. As if I have to ask. Well, isn't it what we all want is to look at that person across the room and just be completely blown away by them. Now whether that's reality

or not, whether it's even attainable is one thing, but it's a great fantasy. Do you have that in your life Steve Ryan? Is that a personal question? Yeah that's a personal question. We don't talk about that. This is the home of real talk. We get to the real things here. Okay so what I'm noticing is a trend and I kind of suspect it as much when you talked about your love of air supply in your first Toronto mic appearance, but I find it fascinating. I think the listenership is thinking the same thing. You've seen some shit. We will talk a little later about the ghosts that haunt you and well it's ghosts that haunt me but they're haunting you but but but we're gonna talk about some of the shit

you've seen when you when we drop but they're haunting you. But we're going to talk about some of the shit you've seen when we dropped the first episode with you, one of the comments I received, and I received many comments on every episode, lots of people like to tell me what they think and that you were a hard-boiled detective at heart and the juxtaposition that that, what you've seen and what your day to day was like, and you're still covering crime for CP24, how that juxtaposes with the sweet, soft love songs

that I'm hearing in the headphones right now. Very interesting. I'm sure a therapist would have a fuel day with me trying to analyze that. Dr. Joyce Brothers. Come on down. She's still alive. She's dead. Right. Yeah.

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making an appearance there. Getting yourself the Tobacco guy. Right. Yeah. Born a But you're a South Etobicoke guy, right? Yeah. Born and raised. Born and raised in Alderwood. Actually, born on the lake shore off of 25th street and grew up in Alderwood. And now I'm back. I live in Mimico now.

You're bouncing around New Toronto just avoiding it. You got some Long Branch in there. You got some Alderwood. You got some Mimico. You're like, New Toronto, that's a bridge too far. I'm not going there. That might be next. Benina House down by the lake. So maybe. So talk to me next year, maybe.

You're buying a house in the lake? Oh, no, I'm looking. I was looking. I was just talking to my buddy Rory down the street. He started his own business and they're doing real well. And he wants waterfront property. And that's much like the Taylor Swift tickets. That's a game I can't afford to play, but I would love waterfront. I've been kayaking a lot on Lake Ontario and Humber River, and Waterfront's where it's at. They're not making any more though. It's pricey.

Yeah, it is. And it's Taylor Swift on steroids, I would say, when it comes to those prices. Even Taylor Swift can barely afford the Toronto Waterfront prices here, but I love that you wind down, so to speak, with these songs. It's like you're seeing hard shit. You can't go home and listen to Megadeth. I love that you wind down, so to speak, with these songs. Like, it's like you're seeing hard shit. You can't go home and listen to Megadeth. Yeah, I think, you know, you make a good point.

And I do think that's part of what I did and what I continue to do is you deal with that death and destruction and heartache all day. And then you allow yourself to get into that fantasy of love and peace and you know, I can't live without you and you can't live without me in the world is a wonderful place. And I think it's better to get lost in that type of music to escape from, you know, the shit that you leave behind at work. Well, you used to leave behind anyways.

And you're still, you know, you're still keeping abreast of the shit going on today because you're covering it for a mainstream media outlet. Yeah, I do. And it's been my life. It's all I knew since I was 17 years old. So it is second nature to me, but at least I am an arm's length away from it. No, I still feel for those officers that are going into those gruesome crime scenes because I know what they're going into, but I am selfishly on the outside of that now. Okay, we're going to revisit some of that later, but I'm gonna get to your third jam.

And here it is. I can't fight this feeling any longer And yet I'm still afraid to let it flow What started out as friendship has grown stronger I only wish I had the strength to let it show I tell myself that I can't hold out forever I say there is no reason for my fear Cause I feel so secure when we're together You give my life direction You make everything so clear And even as I wander

I'm keeping you in sight You're a candle in the window on a cold and dark winter's night I've got no answer and I haven't thought I might And I can't fight this feeling anymore I'll sing it for you buddy. And throw away the orders forever Cause I can't fight this feeling anymore I've forgotten what I started fighting for And if I have to crawl upon the door Come rushing through the door

Maybe I can't fight this feeling anymore It's another love song. Same theme, same thing. Love. Psychiatrists would have a field day with you. Are you kidding me? No kidding. No kidding. You know, we could sell tickets. We could sell tickets, get a good shrink to psychoanalyze CP24's Steve Ryan and the jams that he loves. It's the words. It's all... Not only do I like

the music, I like the words. And this song, you know, you wait for that chorus on this song, right? I mean, I remember this song all over 680 CFTR. I mean, I heard it was a high rotation and you wait for that chorus. They make you wait a bit. He makes you wait a bit. Then he gives you the chorus. Then he's like, you waited for this chorus. You love this chorus. I'm going to do the chorus another time. Like he kind of goes twice. Yeah, it's true. That's true. And you're just loving every minute of it. Okay. So please tell me the process. Like when I said, Hey, I need 10 jams from you, Steve Ryan. Like did you start with a list of 50 and whittle it down like how was that process for you

oh it's very easy I can I can go right to those 10 songs here's another reason why well getting it to inside base with my song choices a lot of times I pick my music to listen to because back in my homicide days when I was pulling up on the scene about a homicide The radio would be playing for the most part songs bring me back to all those landmarks all those gruesome scenes over the years So to just hear a random song on the radio that would sometimes bring me back to one of those scenes, which is shit It sucks. So I pick my music to listen to that's why I can pick these songs so quickly By the way, you said not to do Inside Baseball. I freaking love Inside Baseball.

Like, deeper the better. I'm tired of all the programming out there that kind of stays up at the surface or whatever. Let's dive down and do let's let's let's enjoy some Inside Baseball. That's actually fascinating. OK, so that is one of the main things that sticks with me is going to a homicide scene, getting out of the car or getting to the scene. I can hear a song and it'll bring me right back to a date, a location. Oftentimes I can tell you the suit I was wearing, the tie I was wearing, the cologne I had on. Wow. All draw, is drawn back. It's like a time machine.

It certainly is and it's all based on a song that was on the radio when I got out of the car. And it's all based on a song that was on the radio when I got out of the car. You know, that's part of what I love about this exercise is that it does bring you right back. And it is a time to see. But the thing is, the difference is some people enjoy that. Like, oh, I remember I was at Coney Island having an ice cream cone or whatever. But you're thinking about the gruesome, horrific homicides that you had to cover in your professional life and nobody wants to be stuck in that time and space. No, that's right. And music is a big part of all of our lives.

It was and still is part of my big part of my life. You know, my everyday life, I've always got music on. But if I can control that narrative, it's better for me. It's something you can control that narrative, it's better for me. And it's something you can control. I'm sure you would like to control any narrative considering all we talked about, the good versus evil battle that's ongoing, you know, to be decided. They won't be streaming that battle on Netflix because that'll crash the servers for sure. Did you, by the way, pop in to see the Netflix boxing event?

I did. I did. Did your Netflix work? It that was. I did. Did your Netflix work? It did not. It did not. No. It's one of those things like, so it's a hype machine and it's gimmicky.

It was. You know, 50, you know, I see 58 year old man is gonna fight a 27 year old guy. He was, you know, YouTuber who then turned into boxer and it's basically very gimmicky and hypey But you're like, oh I wouldn't pay for this, but I already have Netflix coming through my TV. So I will press a button Cue you know, it's a Friday night. It depends what you got going on, right? But it's a Friday night. You're chilling Okay, there's an event happening and that's getting some hype. I'll press a button to see this

See I'm nailing the T's and button because an early criticism of me is that I would say Martin streak instead of Martin streak. So I'm working on things, Steve. But I did press that button and at some point it stopped working. And the best part is Netflix sort of does this passive aggressive starts to try to blame you at some point. It was like, let's see what's wrong with your internet connection,

Mike. And I'm getting angry at Netflix saying, have you been on the social media network? You're wondering if I need to reboot my router. Do I need to call Bell about my Bell 5? This is on you, Netflix. And when you're my age, staying up at midnight sometimes is a chore. Not to mention I kept you up until midnight trying to watch this bloody fight and it

was not working and you're only I think we're all watching for one reason we want to see Mike Tyson knock this guy out percent hundred percent and it never it almost that cynical part of me was questioning is this staged is this more like a WWF as opposed to it felt like that when the slap yeah yeah it did I thought mean gene Oakland going to come out and we were going to hear maybe Jake Paul go, stop the music, stop the rock and roll. It felt very, very mid to late eighties.

You see, I got George Animal Steel here. I see, I see him right there. Yeah, I thought Captain Lou Albano was going to come out with George Animal Steel and he was going to start eating the turnbuckles. You remember, he would just literally like start eating the turnbuckles you remember you would just literally like start eating the turn buckles you know it yeah it was great theater right I was I spent many of Sundays down at the Maple Leaf Gardens watching the WWF under the giant when he

used to remind me I'm still can't the cup right there what size of those two men though for Jake no giant of course but I'm talking to two boxers last night. Yeah. The shape that Tyson's in for 57 or 58 years old. My god. So you're only 37 but how old? Yeah close, close. Younger than Tyson but older than 37. Okay so when you're 58 will you look like Tyson looked last night? That's my goal. There was a scene where his son was talking to him. Because this is before my Netflix conked out. And he then Tyson turns around and walks away bare ass. And my wife and I are watching.

And I'm like, oh, you know, I was a little disappointed. I thought it would be a little firmer. I don't know. She's like, oh, you're disappointed in Mike Tyson's bum? And I'm like, yeah, a little bit. That seems staged to me as well. Just saying. We were lucky. We only got the walk away instead of the walk toward here.

Okay, so we're going to go on these tangents. It's going to get a little heavier here, but I am so passionately interested in you talking about these jams. I'm going to jump right into the next one. Okay. I feel like, have you ever seen the big Lebowski? Okay. The dude had something to say about this band. Okay. But here we go. Used to run to the sun. I repeat. She'll bless her love poem and lace and go in style Late at night her big ol' house gets lonely I guess every former refuge has its price

And it breaks her heart to think her love is only Given to a man with hands as cold as ice So she tells him she must go out for the evening To comfort an old friend who's feeling down But he knows where she's going and she's leaving She is headed for the cheatin' side of town You can't hide your hiding eyes And your smile is a thin disguise

I'm telling you, the psychiatrist would have a, I think we could do a weekend event at the Metro Toronto Convention Center. This song for me is about two people kind of lying to each other and they both know the game, but it works for them. So again, it's more that that's fantasy as opposed to reality. That makes sense. Well, you know what, we all, the wonderful thing about art is, you know, and I'm not talking about my good old, my old friend Art Piatek, shout out to Art Piatek, but the nice thing about art, you can go see a painting and I'll see it one way, you'll see it another. That's the whole beauty of art here.

But she's definitely cheated on him. He can see it in her eyes. But we both see that piece of art and we both leave happy. That's what... And it makes it... Yeah, everything in life is about, you know, introspection and... Perception. Right. I always say this on TV, perception is a person's reality. You perceive something to be real, well, it's gonna be real in your head. Absolutely, absolutely. I got a nice note from a woman named Kath. C-A-T-H Kath. I knew Steve back when he was a rookie constable. A great stand-up guy. Now we're going back for that one, right? When here were you a

rookie constable? So I was a cadet in 87. I came out of police college in, because back then you you Was an apprentice program as it so they got a chance of police got a chance to watch you as a young man or woman and you did a lot of Administrative policing duties we rolled the Harleys we Will take it for Chaka with a police officer, but you're not sworn in as a cop until you were 21 years old Elmer so that would have been for me in 1990 1990 Wow, that's older than my t-shirt. Exactly. You don't think I thought of that when you said that?

That's funny. 30 years as a Toronto police officer and is this the correct number or do we just round it off? Because it's such a beautiful round number. But you investigated 100 murders? 150 murders of my own 50. Why? OK, OK. 50 and I probably assisted on another 100 or more. So when you when you assist, you take your direction from the person in charge. When you run your own, you are the person that's making the decision. You're the one that goes to court and it's your ass on the line.

You justify articulate everything that was done in an investigation. and as discussed in episode one thousand two hundred and six and if you haven't seen it pause this episode go back and catch up there and then then meet us back here. But you retired in twenty seventeen and then you joined the CP 24 as a crime analyst. Cam Woolley was was good friends of Carl Hanske. Do you know Karl? I do very well. So, Karl's in this hood, okay? Unlike you, he didn't avoid New Toronto. He's in the hood. I know exactly where Karl lives. So, I mean, literally saw him yesterday. They got him and Michelle Butterly from CHFI. They have a beautiful dog named Gracie. It's a, do you call those? Those giant dogs that when you're skiing and you're stuck in the snow they come and they got the st. Bernard's

You know, I think I gotta Have a list to my right maybe of like dog breeds. I keep mixing them up I got my greyhounds mixed up of my great Danes. I'm really screwing this up But yeah, this is a st. Bernard They got named Gracie and I saw me I say but he's friends Cam Woolley and Cam Woolley was literally doing his last shift at CP24 and then he was going off to the country to start the next chapter or whatever and Carl said before you you know hit the highway drop by Toronto Mikes for your exit interview and Cam's like okay and Cam and I so I had cam on and we had a great chat on his last day

and you are essentially cam willies successor at cp 24 yeah can i tell you a real quick story about cam tremendous respect for this guy um and here's why most police on i'm generalizing the people that i know if you're the sheriff you're sheriff. You're not bringing a deputy in. You are the person. He was the go to guy. He was a big personality on CP 24. And everybody knows he was the an OPP officer who really developed a crucial role on our station. And my last homicide investigation was the shamji case.

That was the doctor who was killed by your neurosurgeon husband. Right. And I was up in Kleinberg at that scene cam was waiting to interview me and he asked me how you doing I said you know cam I'm done I cannot take another one of these gruesome scenes he picked up the phone called my boss at the time put me on the phone with her and I was hired on the spot Wow so he brought in me as the deputy nobody would do that and I hope when I'm ready to go that I have the self-confidence to bring in somebody else and not be threatened by them and I have tremendous respect for cam for doing that That's amazing then glad you shared that story. So when you do

Just I don't know anoint your successor many years from now You know, you'll have to drop by here on your last shift and continue the tradition of your exit interview here promise Okay, when will that be? I'm going to schedule it now. No time soon. No time soon. Not soon. And remember, if it's 11 o'clock, that's 11 o'clock ET. That doesn't mean noon Steve Ryan time. Okay.

Are you sure you didn't tell me noon? Because I did write it in my calendar book. Well, I'm sure that the DMs we have on Twitter are still there. So we'll go back. Like a good detective will go back and find the this Smoking gun there. That's a teaser for later. You do know and I told you this last time around but the cam woolly Degrassi story and I can't remember. Please remind me. Were you at all a Degrassi fan? No, it's funny. I mentioned Drake in passing when I invented the term Yolo because Drake was on the next generation

But I'm an og Degrassi guy and camolley as an OPP officer was up in the country and he saw an OPP car and there was something wrong about it so he went to investigate and he found out that it was being used to film the finale of Degrassi High, the original Degrassi. The finale was called Schools Out. This was a very popular CBC TV movie that I can tell you a lot of listeners are already talking about Tessa and Joey and there was they were, you know, Joey was cheating on Caitlin, Caitlin might've saw his lion eyes if you will there.

And anyways, this is how Kam Wolle discovered that, oh yeah, you need like ambulances and cop cars and stuff to film stuff. And he got into that business and that's sort of his segue from like cop to media guy was basically stumbling upon this car and the car, by the way, for the Degrassi heads out there. This is the OPP car that was going to pull over wheels. When wheels got in that car accident and had been drinking and driving. Okay. Lucy went blind from this and then there were

deaths caused by wheels. And the sad story is the real life story of the actor who played wheels where he passed away very young and we weren't told about it in the public for five years. So for five years, it was unreported that the actor who played the very popular character, Wheels, he was in the zit remedy for goodness sakes, had passed away. Quite an interesting story.

Yeah, I know that. Yeah, so I'm here to educate you and I'm gonna dedicate that Degrassi story to Andy, who is the biggest Degrassi fan I know. So 150, I gotta update my notes here. You know what, I'm going to kick out another jam and then we're going to get a little heavy if that's okay. We'll see what mood you're in here. you're the color of my blood You're the cure, you're the pain, you're the only thing I wanna touch Never knew that it could mean so much, so much You're the fear, I don't care, cause I've never been so high

Follow me through the dark, let me take you past the satellites You can see the world you brought to life, to life So love me like you do, la la love me like you do, love me like you do, la la love me like you do, touch me like you do, ta ta touch me like you do. What are you waiting for? Fading in, fading out, on the edge of the night. Tell me about this song. Again it's another song about admiration for that love of your life and that's a great escape from the juxtapose that, use your word, from the- It's a big word, right?

It's a big word. You're impressed. I'm impressed by them. Rhino is impressed. So you've got the death carnage and I'm going to kill you to touch me like you do, love me like you do. It's just the complete opposite. The yin and the yang.

The yin and the yang. And you can't live like, we learned this from Carl Jung. Shout out to Carl Jung if he's listening. But Carl Jung will tell you that you can't live in the darkness. Like you need to have correct and these people we see in the wild who are all light you wonder where like there's all got to be a darkness for the light as well and that works both ways so you know it's like sometimes you'll find out that oh that serial killer was the nicest guy everybody

loved that guy but this is the yin and yang. And when you are surrounded by that darkness, not to sound too sappy, but sometimes you need to pull that dark curtain, intentionally pull it apart so you can see the light on the outside. And if you don't pull that curtain apart, you're gonna be stuck in that darkness. Who'd have thought Steve Ryan, crime specialist.

Yeah, what a deep thinker. I am, I am. Can you pose like this for me, the thinker? Okay, I'm gonna keep that on video here. Fascinating, now this is a, two things strike me about this, first of all, this is the first woman's voice we've heard on your jams. And that might be because often we relate to our own gender,

like this is a common practice. So the male perspective is what you'll gravitate towards on account of the fact you live with the males perspective like that is you it's true and When you are looking for that that fantasy life you're looking for some that's speaking your words and it's easier to

relate to words are being spoken to by a dude who's talking about the love of his life which is the woman that's sitting across the table from as long as she doesn't have those lion eyes right see my nice but if you're happy with that good for you where's that all right where's that psychiatrist we need okay we need that's why I have the third mic we always need that but here and also this is a means these jams aren't all, you know, golden oldies or whatever, but this is a, and again, I'm going to probably find out it's 20 years old now, but it feels like a more recent jam on your list is this jam. Yeah, that 10 years maybe for that thing. That was part of a, you know, COVID

messed up my perception of time. It didn't mess up yours at all. Like I feel like I was fairly decent with time until the past decade. And now I just see things, oh, that was pre-COVID or that was during COVID or that's post-COVID. Yeah, and COVID seems to have made things sort of stand still for a while as well. So yeah, I'm with you pre-COVID, post-COVID. Okay, now I threatened to get a little heavier here

and there's a name. So maybe I'll read this note that came in from Decan. Decan said, will Steve write another book? The ghosts that haunt me was a great read. It was both insightful and disturbing. So take a moment in case people missed your first episode. Tell me about the ghosts that haunt me. And then I'll ask you about a specific name in that book.

So I wrote about six of six cases that had a tremendous impact on my life, on my psyche, on the way I perceived the world. And when I wrote the book, my goal was to be very respectful of those that were murdered. So it wasn't salacious. I wasn't getting in depth with the gory details. I wanted to give those people a voice and I wanted to explain exactly what was going on in my own mind, going through these investigations to give people a perspective as to what toll that type of work, it wasn't by no means meant to be a pity party, but what toll that type of work has on an investigator, had on me, has on me still to this day.

By the way, we got confirmation. Ellie Golding released Love Me Like You Do in 2015. So it's a mere, a mere, yeah, even nine years, if you will. But that is recent in my mind anyways here. So in the book, The Ghost at Homie, by the way, great album from the FOTM known as Crash Test Dummies. But I don't see any Crash Test Dummies on your jam list here today. No. No. Love those guys. Okay. So there's a name I want to ask you about because I remember

how it affected me When this was happening and i'm wondering how much you'll share but the name holly jones 10 year old abducted in murder and I remember it vividly What can you share with and there's more in the book that goes at homie and people can still get a copy of this book, right? Yes, yeah, the book is still and selling very well. So thank you for bringing that up. Yes, it's still selling very well. Well, again, the way you handle it is with tenderness. It's not all salacious, gory details, so it's an important book to read.

But what are you willing to share? And I know we're listening to some sweet, sweet jams, and I don't want to pivot too far the other way, but I just remember in real time this was affecting me personally the abduction and murder of 10 year old Holly Jones. That case is a case that many people in the city knew where they were at the moment that she was reported missing. Now I was a young detective I was in the sex crimes unit at the time and sex crimes and homicide works in tandem when you had a confirmed non-familial

abduction. So I worked for a very experienced detective sergeant at the time named Dave Perry on my end and then homicide had a detective sergeant named Ken Taylor. They ran the investigation. I was a young detective. I was doing the, I was the foot soldier being sent out on these details, but a lot of my details were going with the forensic officer when her body parts would surface on different parts in the city and that's what I had to see with the with the forensic officer who was

photographing and cataloging these body parts. And for those who maybe don't remember maybe they're too young maybe they're not from this part of the world and are just sort of hearing that name for the first time. Can you maybe maybe surface a high level details of what happened to Holly Jones? So Holly Jones was 10 years old. She grew up in the junction and I believe it was 2000-2001. She walked her girlfriend home for the first time, Blore and Perth, and it was just after four o'clock in the afternoon, I believe. She was walking, she walked north on Perth dropped off her girlfriend was walking home and

Michael Brear was the guy that lived on the north side of Bloor Street. He decided that that day he was going to get drunk He watched child pornography and he was going to abduct the first young girl that he saw He was going to sexually assault her and that he knew that he'd have to kill that He was going to sexually assault her and that he knew that he'd have to kill that girl after he sexually assaulted her and Holly Happened to be the first child that he saw on his travels And I think this case strike is the worst case scenario for parents because of the fact it's just a random you said first kid who walks by is going to be assaulted and murdered and How do you as a parent? How do you defend against that?

Like if someone's going to randomly decide this is what's going to happen, other than bubble wrapping your kid and never giving them any free because I know my, my, my I have a 10 year old upstairs. I just heard, I just heard his voice right there. And he, we're at a point now where, you know, with he's now able to do you know walk to school and he typically walks with his buddies and stuff and everything and he knows not to you know you know he knows the safety rules etc but it's really difficult to defend against that it becomes almost like gambling it you know that may be a good good choice of words because you can street proof your kids as best as

you can you can't hover over them 24 hours a day the reality is and I hate to say this if somebody wants to do harm to your child they're going to do it at some point this is why it's so important when it comes to legislation when it comes to these monsters are convicted of these crimes, they need to be put away. Forget their rights as convicted citizens. The rights need to be of the law-abiding families and their children. That's the only way we can protect. You can street-proof your kid. You can helicopter over them all you want, but at some point in time they're gonna be by themselves. Right, right. So you're almost as a parent, you're almost like, well the odds, you almost start doing math in your head.

And I hate, you're right. And that's what I hear all the time. What are the odds? But here's the thing. One in five million. Right. But there is a one then. So you need to be prepared if your kid is the one in the five million. Now, we can't live our lives. If we thought like that, we wouldn't get our heads off the pill. You would never get on a highway. Absolutely. I would never bike uh get to bike in a moment maybe but yeah you would you would basically never leave your damn house right right so there there is a a a balancing act balancing act and i

think we need to reduce that reduce that risk but can you make it 100 um infallible it's impossible it's impossible so again to be very sensitive to this and I remember like you said we Torontonians remember where they were but like what did Hall what I don't want to say use these I'm gonna be careful with these words but in hindsight if you could you know if things could be different when Holly Jones like what would be different Holly with Holly Jones just don't walk alone at the age of 10 like I'm trying

to think of what any missteps that that took place there that might have prevented this tragedy I think one of the lessons that we can take away from what this bastard did he spoke when he spoke with the I mentioned the name Dave Perry and Ken Taylor when he spoke with them during an interview He said to them tell parents to tell their kids to scream because had Helady Jones screamed I would have let her go and he said to her if you scream I will kill you and she's a child She obeyed what he'd said. So I think that's old. Yeah, that's a big lesson and I even say that if you're in the back of an uber and Driver has gone way past where they're supposed to drop you off

You do what you need to do to get out of that car. Don't worry about the embarrassment, scream, fight, kick out a window, because where they're taking you may not be a good place. So had she screamed, maybe he would have let her go. And we spoke with people in the neighborhood who said they thought they saw him and her walking down the street. And they thought that she was a, the young sister who was in trouble because of the hoard horrifying look on her face

So you can't prevent this from happening in my view But teach your kids if somebody tells you don't scream scream as loud as you can 100% But in the same breath, it's like It's a scary world out there. And so I have an eight year old daughter who I also just heard. And of course, you're giving great advice there. But even having the conversation with the eight year old daughter, like, you know, should this happen, scream, basically scares the eight year old to a point where she's afraid to be alone and all these things that, know our job is to basically to create independent self-sufficient adults like that's your role as a parent essentially so you have to find that line between scaring the shit out of them and keeping them safe.

And I think that is an individual choice with every parent but at some point in time I really do believe that every parent needs to have that talk with their child when they feel they're they are ready but they need to know that nobody puts your hands on you and that if somebody does and they're trying to take you away You need to scream and kick and do everything you can to get away. Okay, you ready for a palate cleanser, please. Here we go Love this guy. Deep river water Lord I know she's waiting Just anticipate all my love I'm sorry. I wanted you to know. I'm playing days of over All I do is think of you Right on the wall

Deep river woman Lord I'm coming home to you Deep river woman Lord, I know she's waiting Just anticipate all my love Lionel Richie, Deep River Woman. Beautiful words. Again, safe space. He's coming home to her. She's anticipating his arrival. So the rest of the world be damned, right? You're in your safe spot in a monk, but in behind your own four walls, that's your safe spot. Reality, maybe not, but it's a good fantasy.

Yeah, so in this world when you're immersed in this music, it's a safer world. 100%. Absolutely. I don't need a psychiatrist. I don't need one either. I've got you. You know what? I've got the new... By your third visit, we'll be... I'll just have you lie on the couch and you can hold the mic and then we'll do this proper. I'm telling you man, there's a lot of meat on that bone everybody. The hard boiled jam kick in here.

So typically I'm like, oh, one song per artist, but you did find a loophole. This was just a teaser. I consider this a loophole that you can, you like this man, Lionel Richie. He's special. Yeah, he's special. I think my mom's favorite song of all time is Kenny Rogers' Lady. Lady, that was on my list, that was close.

Okay. That was close. See, my mom would have appreciated that. And of course, that song's written by Lionel Richie. Yes, it is. As I believe his endless love that he sings with Diana Ross. You know what, great, great, great timbre to his voice. Here's a fun fact, my 10- 10 year old dropped on me the other day and then I didn't even consider it but my 10 year old is a big soccer

fan and he plays a lot of soccer and even though his favorite player of all time is Cristiano Ronaldo, he uh you know Lionel Messi is the other goat wandering around and he told me Lionel, Lionel Messi was named after Lionel Richie. I read that. Actually, I read that. Okay. So I can't tell you anything, but I did not even think about it and it makes sense to

me in hindsight, but I'm just glad that my kids are starting to drop the fun. My 22 year old, I go for walks, long walks in the junction with him and he drops these fun facts and is like, this guy gets me. Where did he come from? And then I remember, oh yeah, I know for walks, long walks in the junction with him and he drops these fun facts and is like, this guy, this guy gets me like, where did he come from? And then I remember, oh yeah, I know where he came from. Wait, you have a 22 year old and an eight year old? Well, two marriages. So marriage one, I have a 22 year old and a 20 year old. Wow. And then marriage two, a second in a series is in the finale, hopefully is the eight and the 10

year old that we can hear here upstairs. But what else I want to say about Lionel Richie? Okay. So yesterday I stumbled upon a documentary on Ray Parker Jr. Okay. It's called, who are you going to call? And I'm watching this thing, Clive Davis. It's very interesting to hear about him before Ghostbusters and what he's done post Ghostbusters and stuff. But he's, you know, he's, they're talking to, I don't know what year this was made, but fairly current day, Rick or Parker Jr. I remarked to my wife, he's aging very well. And I said, what I like about it is he's aging in a way where it's a natural age. Okay. He looks well preserved and fit and

healthy for his age, but it doesn't look artificial. And I'm only bringing that up because I recently watched the documentary on what's the charity single for famine relief, We Are the World. We Are the World, yeah. Okay, I only know tears are not enough in this household. By the way, Andy Kim is my next guest, and he was at the Tears Are Not Enough recording, and we're gonna dive into that.

But We Are the World, Lionel Richie co-wrote that song with Michael Jackson yeah and Lionel Richie's had some work done will Steve Ryan get work done absolutely not that's a loaded question yeah he's aging artificially but he's got a beautiful voice so yeah so we can overlook the we'll forgive him for the physical stuff for the acoustics. I you know, and I don't know judgment here. Get the work done you want to get. But I do feel pleased when I see somebody aging naturally. And it sounds like we're going to see on CP 24.

We're going to watch Steve Ryan age naturally. Oh, what's happening? It's happening rapidly. The rhino. Can I like the rhino is getting older, but better than the alternative. Right. Correct. And we're on the right side of the grass. So right shout out back another shout out to Ridley funeral home. Okay. Let me do this now real quick Okay, so I gave you the measuring tape. Yes. Did I give you a palma pasta lasagna during your first visit?

Oh my god, you did and it was so so fantastic that well, I actually bought more Okay, Anthony Petrucci is gonna love to hear that, the Petrucci family. Couple of notes here. Firstly, Palma's Kitchen, which is in Mississauga, is gonna host us for TMLX 17. That's November 30th from noon to 3 p.m. Okay, the 10 year old's down here. We have to be quiet, but I just wanna say,

I told a story about Lionel Messi being named after Lionel Richie. Okay, he's getting something That's a sorry interrupted by the 10 year old. I let him know. I just dropped his story There is fun fact, but everybody's invited including you Steve Ryan. This is a Saturday at noon in Mississauga I feel like you could be there. It is November 30th. He's getting his switch Joysticks, that's his Nintendo switch. Okay. Bye. We love you I'm talking to Steve Ryan. Okay, we're kicking our jams over here. Get out's his Nintendo Switch. Okay, bye, we love you. Get outta here, I'm talking to Steve Ryan, okay?

We're kicking our jams over here, get outta here, scram. Okay, November 30th, noon to three at Palmer's Kitchen. You could drop by, I have an open mic, you can pop on and say hi to the FOTM. Steve Ryan, you're needed. I'll do that, I'm committed, I'll be there. Okay, and Palmer's Kitchen will give you a free meal, so you can go up and get any meal you like.

Delicious, as you know, you've been there. Italian food, it's delicious. And you are getting another meat lasagna because you're here today. I should have that tonight. And I'll be on time. Promise. Yeah. Don't leave that in the oven an extra hour.

Okay? That won't be good of you. Okay. So thank you, Palma Pasta. I'll also bring fresh craft beer from Great Lakes Brewery. I've got some fresh craft beer from Great Lakes Brewery for you, Steve Ryan. Appreciate that. Thank you. And last but not least here in the

gift giving segment, this is from Minaris. It's a wireless speaker and you can listen to air supply and it will sound great in those speakers, but you will also subscribe and listen to Yes We Are Open because episodes from season seven are dropping now. I will tell you episode six from season seven, which just dropped has Al Gregor, the award winning podcasters, this guy, they had to build a new trophy case at Monaris to hold

all his trophies. Okay. He had a fun visit with Neil McGalsky and his team talking about the home gaming industry and the 60 plus year history of AVO Game Room. I love these stories, these inspiring stories of small businesses that Al gathers for Yes We Are Open from Monaris. Subscribe now Steve Ryan. Done. Done. And last tip, RecycleMyElectronics.ca. I used this just last week. If I have old

cables, old laptops, old devices, old electronics, I'd never put in the garbage because those chemicals end up in our landfill. I get on my laptop here and I go to recyclemyelectronics.ca, put in my postal code and it'll say, hey, you know, there's a depot to be properly recycled. You can drop it off at the Staples near Sherway gardens, for example, lots of great locations across the city. And I urge you Steve to do the same thing. Good to know. Good to know.

Let's kick out. Actually, my, we talked about the two marriages. My first wife loved this guy. So let's dedicate this to her. This is my shower song. Okay. There's a visual. I sing this in the shower.

No, well, I sing it. There's good acoustics in there. Exactly, exactly. We all sound better in the shower. things unfold So when I'm lying in my bed Thoughts running through my head And I feel the love is dead I'm loving angels instead

in through where She offers me protection a lot of love and affection whether I'm right or wrong and down the waterfall wherever it may take me I know that life won't break me when it comes to call. She won't forsake me. I'm loving angels instead. You know, there's an outlier, a quick analysis from your armchair psychiatrist here, is that you're looking for the security, the safety, the saying pity of a woman's love and embrace. But the one outlier I think is Lion Eyes because Lion Eyes is kind of a flip on that. It's a bit of a yin and yang in the jams as well. But Lion Eyes is if it works for you and I so be it

you'll have you know I invented your load today. Robbie Williams angel angels is there an ass on that yeah, there's an ass on that and that video he sells up some so a lot video just he exudes that song when he sings it. He was in a boy band, you know, this I did not know that no take that I want to say it was like a British thing, but before he went solo and had these monster hits like this, yeah he was in like it was like their backstreet boys kind of. I love this guy

Lano's my number one next air supply by the love. Hey, here's I just know that I'm gonna cycle as myself. So my first wife loved this guy and I just realized came out of a boy band. My current wife loves. I don't know if it's still the case. I think it is, but she loves Justin Timberlake and he came out of a boy band in sync. Yes, and then my wives are in sync as well. One thing in common. Anyways, well, two things. I'm the other thing. It's like that tragically hip lyric, 40 things we share, 41 if you include the fact that we don't care.

So it's like two if you include the fact. They're both into the mic-ster here. Okay. But who isn't, right? Okay. I want to ask you, get serious for a moment here, because we're in the home stretch here, but is there an increase in gunplay and gun violence in this city? Oh god, tenfold, absolutely. And let's just shout out to the cops GTA-wide, they are doing God's work getting these guns off the street, but here's the problem. Tell me. It's like bailing out a boat mill in the lake with a hole in it.

They're dumping out the water, of the lake with a hole in it They're they're dumping out the water, but there's more water coming in So until we plug up the borders until the feds get more serious about giving CBS a what they need to stop guns coming from border Till we start keeping violent criminals in custody when they're charged time and time again with serious offenses and Needs to be a deterrent when it comes to sentencing. Remember when somebody is sentenced it's not just about punishment you've already caused harm to somebody you want others like you and I to to look at that person as an example and say if you do this crime fellows you're going to be locked up for a very long time that's the only way

we're going to solve this it's not about I support the police given the police the police are doing Miraculous work, but they need help You kind of made a comment now when we talked about Holly Jones you mentioned that if somebody wants to do harm to your child like really within reason you there's nothing you can really do to stop it you can kind of try to mitigate the risk of course, but It's similarly like if a bad guy or gal wants to get their hands on a gun in this city, like, can you stop that? Well, you can when you start locking them up after they are convicted of crime.

You get one and then and what happens is it's supplying demands like basic economics, so if you decrease the demand, the supply is going to dry up. But as long as there's demand, there's going to be supply. And this is what we're seeing right now. This is why there's so many guns coming in from the states because there is a big demand for them. Are you at all concerned about the fact that I feel like very soon if not already and again, I've actually I've never held a

gun. That's what I've never held a gun. That's what I've never held a gun. The only guns I see are strapped to the side of cops, basically, police officers. But I think we'll be 3D printing guns tomorrow. Like I feel like you- They're out there now. They're out there now. They're out there now.

So if somebody wants to 3D print a gun and then use it to kill somebody who's for whatever reason, I feel kind of I feel helpless in that regard. Well, and you you you should and we all are. But here's what happens. Let's look down the road. So if that happens and a person is convicted, well, it's not about probation and a small sentence. Put them in jail for a very long time.

It's not about them now. It's about an example for everybody else. And if you make a 3D gun, this is what's going to happen to you as well. Right. No, good, good point here. And I mentioned that you were you're a detective. So, of course, you could find the loopholes. And then I'm like, OK, I want one song per artist. But you're so in love with Lionel Richie.

You found a loophole. You ready to hear it? Yes, please. Here we go. down the line by the half a mile or so and I don't really want to know where you're going maybe once or twice you see her time after time I try to do hold on to what we got but now you're going I know what we got but now you're going And I don't mind about the things you're gonna say, Lord I gave all my money and my time I know it's a shame, but I'm giving you back your name

Yeah, yeah, yeah Guess I'll be on my way I won't be back to stay I guess I move along, I'm looking for a good time So the loophole Mr. Ryan is that this is a Commodore song. But let's face it, it's a Lionel Richie song. It's Lionel's voice, yes, but it is the Commodore's. And he wrote it too, so... He did, he did.

But beautiful song, so tell me about what you love about Sail On. Again, it's about that whole euphoria, that whole thing love, love, safety. And that doesn't matter. Nothing else really matters as long as you've got that. That's everything else you can figure out. Beautiful sentiment. Love Will Keep Us Together. Did you consider that song? Everything else you can figure out. Beautiful sentiment. Love Will Keep Us Together. Did you consider that song?

Is that Captain and Tennille? Yes, Captain and Tennille. Okay, shout out to the good captain here. But sail on, this song, beautiful. But it's got a kind of sort of like the last line. Lionel Richie is a sneaky, sneaky country singer. How's that for a hot take? She is and he sings the song with the Tim McGraw as well and it's absolutely a fabulous duo that

they have together. He's another guy that I really like. This music is a great song right now. Yeah, yeah. I can tell a lot of your songs have either full country like Travis Tritt or The Eagles. That's a country. I mean, The Eagles are, they walk that line between rock and country. I mean, the Eagles are, they walk that line between rock and country. And this song here, this is the Commodore is doing kind of very country-esque ballad here. It's all ballads pretty much. They're all ballads. That's my, they're my favorites. Yeah, for sure. What's the hardest song you like? Like, will you listen to like an ACDC song? Yeah. Yeah. I like ACDC actually. No, I used to listen to ACDC when I was working out. But funny story, I was in the gym one day with Air Supply on

and I guess this lady wanted to do a conversation. So she said to me, what are you listening to? I said, Air Supply. That was my workout music at the time. But I do listen to ACDC in the gym as well. I like that, the way you tell the story that you were working out with Air Supply. Cause it sounds like the band is in there

With you know, yeah, they were in my ears. Are they Australian or British? No, they're British. Yeah No, I saw them years ago in the parking lot of woodbine racetrack. Oh, yeah was Peter Gross there Peter Gross Lives at woodbine if you're looking for Peter Gross, cause he owes you a couple of bucks, get your butt. Well, he hasn't a main, I got a shadow Peter Gross, who I talk to every week. Love that guy. But he has the definitive Ontario horse racing podcast. And if anyone listening out there likes the ponies, you must subscribe to down the stretch with Peter Gross, a TMDS production.

How's that? You promoted the apparel, the pink rhino. I got to promote the grade Down the Stretch from TMDS. I'm taken back to sitting in a launcher in a parking lot of Woodland racetrack with the planes going overhead and then listening to those guys sing. It's wonderful. Oh, right. going overhead and then listening to those guys sing or supply it's wonderful oh right because i just realized airplane air supply see yeah it had to it had to come together at some point the

airplanes were close to air supplies they're flying overhead i'll tell you that wow okay it reminds me of that Sloan video. Was it the good and everyone or whatever? Anyways, they were up at the airport and the airplanes flying overhead here. All right, we're gonna let Lionel take us in because I can't wait to get to this jam here. Love this big jam, but we're gonna let Lionel

take us right into it. Here we go. Everybody loved this song. Even Tony Soprano. Even Tony Soprano, the most. I lay run, until the midnight sun. Wheels go round and round on my mind So a conscious of images of being far away from people that you love and you're reassuring them that you're in my thoughts

I'll be home to you Sending all my love along the way They say that the road ain't no place for start a family Right down the line it's been you and me And loving and using men ain't always what it's supposed to be Oh girl, just stand by me I'm forever yours Faithfully. Faithfully.

I see this is Basement Dwellers' favorite Journey tune. So you guys are in sync as well. Shout out to Justin Timberlake who's listening at home. As if I need to ask, you kind of touched on it, but why journeys faithfully? Again, it's loyalty, devotion to the love of your life, to the one that makes you feel safe even though your world's apart. You're saying you're on my mind, I've got a job to do, I'm a rodeo clown, Glamorous job. People look... Reading into this, this is a guy on the road, lights and all this fame, and he says basically I'm a rodeo clown performing and nothing really matters until I get home. Just a job. Have you seen Journey in concert? I have. Twice.

With Steve Perry? Once with Steve Perry and the other time I forget who was singing for them. Well they have the gentleman from the Philippines, because I saw Doc on that too and I cannot remember his name off the top of my head. But shout out to the Philippines and this guy sounds a lot, he sounds like Steve Perry. It's kind of wild. Yeah, tough shoes to fill for sure, because anything you sing it sounds more karaoke than anything else because you're going back to Steve Perry's voice but I mean it's not listening anybody's in journey bouncy we do listen to me sing don't stop

believing don't stop believing so that's the Tony I did the I know that in that did you watch the sprangles I did yeah okay so the final scene yep the juke box is there I know there were multiple journey songs I remember you can see flipping through and he goes of don't Stop Believing. I love this part here. Shout out to Girl Talk who mashed this up pretty damn well in one of their Don't Feed the Animals jams I believe. But do we have a Tony Soprano type in the GTA? There are... You gotta be careful. Yeah, yeah. Be so good for cement shoes. The stories that the Tony Sopranos are the the head of the snake.

And that's often when you're investigating organized crime, you often try to get to the head of the snake. And it's hard to do because that head is insulated by an awful lot of other people. Sure. Silvio's there when he's not in the East Street band. There's a lot of people. There's a Polly Walnuts. Those that you may not in the East Street band there's a lot people there's a Paulie walnuts those that you may not even expect are there are there very interesting I feel like there's yeah this is the private grab a beer

with Steve Ryan and you can learn more about GTA's Tony's I figured if we have a Tony soprano he's living in Hamilton am I out to lunch there it would be far off touch your nose if if our Tony soprano is Ralph Ben-Murgy. Touch your nose. Is it okay? I can't tell the listenership if you did so, but Ralph, I'll be seeing you buddy. Okay. Love that jam. Can't wait to get to the last one, but because this has been going so swimmingly, one song to go, I thought we'd blow it all up and ruin it. I'm just going to ask you the simple question, Steve Ryan, do you have a hot take on bike lanes in the city of Toronto? I think bike lanes are important. They are a necessity. But I think it's a very divisive issue.

Yeah, and water is wet. But Bloor Street bike lanes, because you're a South Etobicoke guy, I'll just pick on something close to us here. Okay? So I think it's right now, I think it's Aberfoyle and then I take it all the way to the Danforth. It goes a long way. But the, you know, the premier wants to rip up and has the power to rip up the bike lanes. And I often hear the premier say, oh, well, they should be on side streets. So cyclists shouldn't be on major streets. Get them on site. Now we're on the waterfront trail. So that's like a, a special spot in the city. But once you

get a little north of here, you basically have to go up to Eglinton to get in like a standalone bike lane. So the Bloor bike lane served a purpose because it's like 5k each way. You know, no one's going to go. If you live at Bloor and Aberfoyle and you want to make your way East you're not gonna go all the way up to Eglinton or all the way down to the waterfront trail So I know the city's maps very well. I've lived here my whole like you I've lived in the West End my whole entire life There there is no magical side streets that runs parallel to Bloor where you can put a bike lane like this simply does not exist it doesn't and I think you need to think long and hard about what are cyclists going to do because they're not going away so what you're going to do is force them out into a live lane 100% well that's exactly

right that's gonna be that's gonna be the issue and you're gonna see more fatalities and serious injuries because you've got these big construction trucks that have a tough time seeing cyclists and truck winds in that battle. And they don't respect your safety because they're sort of pissed off. You're there. Like I've noticed the the anti I get yelled. I'm on the roads every day. And again, I check my privilege that I

live close to the lake, which means I'm on the waterfront trail. So no cars are bothering me on the waterfront trail, but I often have, I'm often on the bluer bike lanes and every time I'm somewhere where I have to, you know, go on with traffic, they don't really respect you enough to give you a good meter of space. So you could live to kiss your four children good night that night like they don't seem to respect your safety they sort of see it as some kind of a war like a like it's us versus them yeah and again it's it's it's very divisive but if you are going to take bike lanes away from those major arteries which people are in support of what's the solution there has to be an alternate alternative solution that's going to be equally as convenient for both.

And I'm not hearing that right now. No, and I also just will point out that when we get these like, oh, people are in favor of ripping up the bike lanes. It's an Ontario survey. And I actually feel this is a hyper, like I feel this is a municipal decision on terms of where you put your bike lanes. I don't actually understand why the premier is involving himself in city bike lane decisions. Like he did run for mayor and he lost and he should let the mayor run the

city. And I think there's almost very little as municipal as bike lanes. Yeah, maybe there's a lot more going on than we are. You think so, Mr. Steve Rice? Now we're going to get political. OK, there's more than meets the eye. Shout out to Optimus Prime. Here is and I've enjoyed this very much, Steve Ryan. I forgive you 100 percent for being late.

I won't mention it again. Can't wait to take that. I tell you, give you a Swifty bracelet. I actually think that's absolutely sweet and important because She's such a Swiftie fan and my wife bless her heart has tried her best to enter every contest every freaking radio Station and mostly it's the Rogers stations I guess they have some deal going on there

But my wife has been entering all these contests to try to win tickets so she could take eight year old Morgan to see a Taylor Swift because we don't want to pay the aftermarket price for these tickets. And she hasn't yet obviously won these tickets. But these this bracelet is going to mean a lot to my daughter's and it's official. It comes from her crew came from her crew. I can't wait when we're wrapping up here. We're going to get you lasagna and we take the photo. I'm going to get Morgan out there to

receive this gift and it's going to be a beautiful moment here. And this is a beautiful song that we're going to end with here. So let's kick out Steve Ryan's final jam. Love this. I dance this song by myself actually in the kitchen dance like nobody's watching. It's a good thing. Nobody's watching when I dance to this song by myself actually in the kitchen. Dance like nobody's watching. It's a good thing nobody's watching when I dance but I dance like nobody's watching. Well dance in the shower but be careful you don't slip. Sing in the shower, don't dance in the shower. This is a man who idolizes the woman that's with clothes where

she puts on a make up brushes long long hair and then she asked me do I look alright do I look alright

I said I say and you can maybe this could raise some money to these charities you're involved with but William Shatner would often record songs in his style which is essentially spoken word. Okay. He's been doing this since what the Elton John song he covered, and then he does it now. He does a great cover of Pulp, a Pulp song, Common People. But why not a Steve Ryan singing these songs he loves, but you don't have to sing these songs.

You do what you're doing there, man. You just talk the lyrics, William Shatner style. You can promote it on CP24 because of the charity element. It can all go towards really good causes. The CP24 heads out there, and you can't go into a damn coffee shop or go, you can't go to a pizza joint without seeing CP24 on the screen, right?

The whole city is swimming in CP24. And thankfully for you, yeah, and they see your beautiful face and they say, Hey, that T-shirt couldn't be any smaller. What's he wearing? Martha? What's he wearing? You don't have to buy extra small. We know you got muscles. Okay. But you could say Steve Ryan, William Shatner style, singing these songs that he loves. And I don't know the proceeds go to these great charities you're involved with. What do you think? I like it. I like it. Who do we have to talk to at Bell Media to make this official? I'll get back to

you. Okay, get back to me. That's important here. All right. So the end of the song, he's been drinking. No, it's time to go home now. Now, he gives the car keys to her. Good thing for that. She takes care of him. Safety. Trust. Now, there's a theme here. She puts me to bed.

As I turn out the light, I say bye bye, you are wonderful tonight Steve Ryan, I think we might have learned a great deal more about you and your jam kicking than your initial Toronto mic appearance. I am, yeah, softy. He's an enigma wrapped in a, enigma wrapped in a riddle, wearing a pink rhino hoodie. Thanks for doing this, buddy. Oh, my pleasure. My pleasure. My pleasure.

And thank you for that amazing gift for my daughter. That'll be a moment. It was meant to be. It happened to happen in my pocket. It was meant to be. It was meant to be. Okay. Shout out to all the Swifties listening. Shout out to Taylor who's tuning in to her first Toronto Mic'd episode. And that brings us to the end of

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See you all then. What will do for me and you? But I'm a much better man for having known you Oh, you know that's true because Everything is coming up rosy and gray Yeah, the wind is cold with the smell of snow It won't stay today And your smile is fine and it's just like mine and it won't go away Cause everything is rolling in green