Toronto Mike'd: The Official Toronto Mike Podcast - Stu Stone: Toronto Mike'd #359

Episode Date: July 20, 2018

Mike chats with Stu Stone about his roles in Donnie Darko, My Pet Monster, and The Magic School Bus, his work as a professional wrestling manager, his Bob Saget rap song with Jamie Kennedy, and his new documentary film Jack of All Trades.

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Build, providing architectural design, interior design and turnkey construction services across the GTA. I'm Mike from TorontoMike.com and joining me this week is actor, director

and pro wrestling manager, Stu Stone. Yes, welcome, welcome. Thank you for welcoming me. Yes, you're not allowed to say welcome to me. This is my place here. I meant you're welcome. First off, I can just tell by your sponsorship that you must have quite an affluent listenership. I mean, you've got real estate agencies and ways to pay your bills

and craft beer. You know, this is very lucrative, a lucrative program to be a part of. So thanks for having me. Listen, it's like marathons, right? Marathon sponsorships are big because the people who run marathons usually make more money

than your average Joe. Like they're wealthy people. So you want to like BMW. All right. You know what else is good? Wimbledon, right? Wimbledon always has Rolex and stuff because the people who follow tennis

make a lot more money than the average Joe who follows, I don't know, football or whatever. Right, yeah. The shows I watch are sponsored by Popeye's Chicken. So it's a much different... Hey, if Popeye's is listening,

I'll accept their sponsorship. Sure. If they want to inquire. So, Stu, here, let me start here. We're going to have a great time here, man. I'm very interested in talking to you, but what I did is just to get us started, I collected some Stone songs.

These are like Stone songs. Yeah. This is one of my favorites, Audioslave. Yes. Rest in peace, Chris Cornell. Oh, man. Cornell. That was of all the grungers and all those rockers, I think Cornell had the best voice.

What do you think? Easily. I mean, best voice, best looking. Yeah. Good looking guy. Great voice. Oh, man. And that Jesus I mean, best voice, best looking. Yeah, good looking guy, great voice. Oh, man. And that Jesus Christ pose, like that blew my mind. The bad motor thinker.

For sure. And, you know, that single soundtrack. He was Seasons. Seasons, yeah. Right. I saw Soundgarden live a few times. I was lucky enough to. And, you know, I grew up in that probably same era that you did when grunge music kind of, you know, the 91 to 96.

Rock and roll was alive and well. That's my time, man. I'm still living in 91 to 96. Yeah, I think we all are. But yeah, I mean, Soundgarden, unbelievable. And Rage Against the Machine, unbelievable. So when you put them together, some magic happened. Yeah, I'm with you.

And I love that self-titled Rage Against the Machine album. I spun that so much. I was in high school at the time. And I was like, this is so heavy and so amazing. And you'd go to a club like the Phoenix or something, and they'd play, I don't know, Killing in the Name of or something. How do you capture that today? That was amazing, right?

Yeah, well, also, that was one of the first records where you, other than a rap album, where like heard swearing in like a hook you know fuck you i won't do what you tell me oh yeah if you listen to like live live to airs with martin streak or something on 102.1 and at late at night they'll keep the f words in there i remember thinking like oh they're not you can just at midnight they can just play fuck you i won't do what you tell me right and then there's the breakfast club version which is forget you that's funny you said that because uh was it uh who's the who's the guy silo silo green had uh fuck you and then they had the radio which was forget you right which i always reference the breakfast club because when that's on TV, the Judd Nelson scene, Forget you, Dad.

No, Dad, what about you? Forget you. Oh, that's funny. That's funny. A real burn through these and then we're going to get to know you because you're a fascinating guy. Oh, thanks, man. I'm single. You asking me out because...

I am, but I think you're... I'm married, but you are handsome. This is great. The Rolling Stones. Right. So here's my collection of Stone songs. I have five. Does this never break this heart of Stone? Heart of Stone.

I love the Rolling Stones. They were like the anti-Beatles, right? The same time period, you had your Beatles fandom, and then you had the bad boys over there. The Rolling Stones. The Beatles were well kept and the Stones were disheveled. Right.

Oh man. That's a great one. That's a good one. That's a deep cut you just pulled out on the Rolling Stones. First time I ever can remember smelling what I now know to be marijuana was at a Rolling Stones concert. Is that it?

Okay, great. I'm glad you bought it. My memory of the first time I smelled what I learned was marijuana was walking to Maple Leaf Gardens. So going to sit in the grays and that walk, I think at Carlton there, and just you could smell it

and you're like, oh. And then at some point you realize what you were smelling, which is Mary Jane. Okay, so that's the Rolling Stones, Heart of Stone. How about this one here? And these,

you must know all the Stone songs, right? This is a good one. This is like a Martin Scorsese special right here. It's got to be in like Goodfellas or Casino or one of those movies. No, not the Monkees version. You think so? I can't. Oh, you're right.

I'm completely wrong. You're thinking of like. It just has that vibe. Yeah, yeah. I didn't realize this was the monkeys this is the monkeys this is probably

their coolest song yeah yeah it is and I love the monkeys speaking of the Beatles like the monkeys are just a manufactured need for TV group to be like

the Beatles yeah I think Neil Diamond wrote a lot of their songs the big one Daydream Believer yeah yeah

you know and also like speaking of like him writing songs that became big with other artists The big one, Daydream Believer. Yeah. You know, and also, like, speaking of, like, him writing songs that became big with other artists is, like, UB40's big hit, Red Red Wine. Red Red Wine. That's a Neil Diamond song, too. Urge Overkill had a cover of Girl, You'll Be a Woman Soon. Dude, behind you, you can't see it, but the Pulp Fiction poster is back there somewhere because that's my favorite movie of all time. Hey, I got one in my place, too. And I bought mine in 95 or whatever.

Same. Okay, dude. Holy, didn't we just become friends? Yeah, I've seen that. That's the Step Brothers, right? Yeah. Hold on. Okay, let's see if you can get this one, though.

This is an album I spun like crazy. I mean, I know you'll know the artist. Is this Chili Peppers? Yeah. It's like off the Mother's Milk album? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Which is my favorite Red Hot Chili Peppers album. Yeah, it's a good one.

When they were silly and fun. Covering Stevie Wonder. Before Frusciante left and they were never the same again. No, Blood Sugar Sex Magic is the breakthrough, but this is the one I go back to all the time. Stone Cold Bush. Yeah. Is that the name of the song?

Yeah. Stone Cold, there it is. Yeah, of course. One more, and this is giving me a chance To promote yesterday's episode of John Donabee So you and I, I think since we're The same, similar age John Donabee's a guy that escaped us, I think Because, like, he was a big Chum FM guy

Before we would ever listen to Chum FM And then At the time we're listening Yeah, right, well, you know I got a phone call this morning A phone call from Jamar, who is the new member of the Roger

and Marilyn Morning Show. Oh, so it's Roger. Rick is not there anymore? Oh, my God. I have so much to teach you, young Stu. Rick's been gone

a long time, like 10 years maybe. Oh, really? Yeah. He got an offer he couldn't refuse from Standard Broadcasting and left to be on

Easy Rock and CFRB 1010. And that did not work out. And now he's in Niagara Falls on like an Easy Rock. But he's gone. But they got a new guy named Jamar who came from Chicago. And he I got a phone call from him this morning.

What did he want? I had sent him an email and he wanted to just like, I invited him to come an email, and he wanted to just, like, I invited him to come on this show, and he wanted to just chat a little bit because he's so new to the city and he doesn't know anybody here, and he's going to call me next week and come over. You guys are going to be friends.

I'm going to be best friends with Jamar. That's good. So it's, wait, so it's Roger, Jamar, and Marilyn? No, they decided to call it Roger in Maryland with Jamar. Roger in Maryland with Jamar. Does that roll off the tongue? I'll have to tune in. One more here,

and then we're going to talk all about Stu here. I kind of want to talk more about Jamar. Jamar's sounded like a really nice guy. The big complaint on TorontoMic.com about Jamar is he doesn't say Toronto the way that people think

he should say Toronto. way that people think he says Toronto. Toronto, right? Correct. So I mentioned John Donabee. John Donabee, you don't know that name, I can tell. I don't. No, but he's like a radio legend.

I did two hours with him yesterday and I played for him his favorite song of all time and this is that. How does it... The Rolling Stone. And I played for him his favorite song of all time. And this is that. What is it? The Rolling Stone. Like a Rolling Stone. So we'll bring down Robert Zimmerman here. Nice Jewish boy.

Good Jewish boy from Minnesota. As soon as he plugged in that guitar, though. Yeah. All hell broke loose. Oh, man. So his first, when he went electric, he had the band as his band, that he, from the Ron Hawkins.

You know Ron Hawkins? I do. The Ron Hawkins. I've watched a New Year's special or two. That's it. We all know Ron Hawkins from that. I picture him on a cold, you know, December 31st night in that fur jacket. Yeah, exactly.

I don't know if he could get away with that anymore. No. Faux fur, maybe. Faux fur. But, yeah, so romping Ronnie Hawkins or rocking Ronnie Hawkins? Stomping? No, that's stomping Tom. That's Tom Connors.

Rocking. Rocking. We'll go with rocking. Anyway, all this is to say that this John Donabee cat was at the last waltz. Speaking of Scorsese, so Scorsese directs The Last Waltz, which is the greatest concert movie of all time. Yeah. And Donabee was there. He was invited by his friend, Levon Helm.

Wow. It's all crazy. The legendary. So go listen. After you hear Stu here, go back to John Donabee. He's episode 358 and you can hear more. How did he become friends with him?

I think through somehow, I think that connection's through Rockin' or Rompin' Ron Hawkins. Rompin' Ron? Whatever we call him, Rompin' Ron Hawkins. And here's on that. So Ron Hawkins from Arkansas,

the Hawk, as we call him, has the name Ron Hawkins and I, the Hawk, as we call him, has the name Ron Hawkins. And I close every episode of this show with a song by Ron Hawkins. Not that Ron Hawkins, but Lowest of the Lows Ron Hawkins. Oh. There's two Ron Hawkins. There's two of them. Two of them. So, Stu.

I just learned so much in the first five minutes sitting with you. Stu, we're just warming up here. People are like, who's Stu Stone? That name doesn't have a lot of recognition. But anyone who's heard the great episode of Toronto Mic'd with Cam Gordon. Yes, Twitter aficionado. Right, he's like director of communications at Twitter Canada. That's a big title.

Which is really crazy because growing up, he was a really quiet guy. And now he's a Director of Communications. It's remarkable. That is remarkable. And he's a guy I like chatting with when we want to talk about, I don't know, Degrassi Jr. High. He's a pop culture maven. Especially in

that sweet spot of like that 91 to 96. I would venture to say Cam is probably like an 86 to 96 guy. That's his sweet spot of like that 91 to 96. I would venture to say Cam is probably like an 86 to 96 guy. That's his sweet spot. And so, I mean, I love talking to people like that. So I have a lot of time for Cam Gordon. So Cam, if you're listening, I got a lot of time for you. So sometimes when he invites me to the Twitter Canada office, they get free lunch.

And I take their free lunch and I eat it. That's really sweet of him. I need an invitation every weekday at lunch. And I take their free lunch and I eat it. That's really sweet of him. I need an invitation every weekday at lunch. I literally grew up with him and have been friends with him since we were in the ninth grade. And I think he mentioned this when he was on your show, but we actually had a local cable public access sports show together. And how was Ed the Sock involved in this? He was like the director and producer of the show.

Stephen Joel Kersner. I don't think Ed the Sock had really existed too much at that point. But it was sort of like the movie UHF. With Michael Richards. Yes. We were going to the station and we would just do whatever we wanted.

It was pretty awesome. UHF is a highly underrated movie. I love a spatula city. It's a great movie, right? How come Weird Al didn't do any more movies? I don't know. I think that in that vein of a UHF, Kentucky Fried Movie, Amazon Women on the Moon, those types of...

Oh, yeah, with Jeff Goldblum. They don't make them like they used to, as they say. Someone needs to... Maybe that's what I need to do. Stu, I mean, okay. So I'm going to tease this now, and then I'm going to play the trailer in a bit. But I'm going to just tease this, that you co-directed a documentary called? Jack of All Trades.

Jack of All Trades. And friend of the show, a guy who's been on this program a few times, Mike Wilner. Oh, yeah. Is in the trailer. Yeah, he's in the movie. He's in the movie. few times mike wilner oh yeah he's in the trailer yeah he's in the movie he's in the movie and i was so i'm watching this trailer because um so i'm watching the trailer and i'm watching it and it starts off it's about one thing which is actually an interesting topic and then it

turns into something else it's just a trailer i haven't seen the movie yet we're gonna talk more about this in a minute i'm just teasing people i'm gonna play this trailer and you're gonna want to see this film when you hear this trailer. This is a compelling trailer. Does it translate in audio? Well, I don't know. We're going to find out. Okay. Well, I'm going to tell people.

Here's what I'll do. I'll embed the YouTube clip here on torontomic.com so you can easily find it and watch it because the audio might not do it justice. You kind of have to see it. But we're going to talk about that in a moment. So Cam Gordon is talking about all the famous people he's in he's it was a great discussion of cam like two hours and he mentions my pet monster yes that song has been stuck in my head forever like and i

was too old for my pet monster but i would come across it on global like i'd be flipping the channels and it would be there and that song would get stuck in my head and it was like, I still can't get that song out of my head. Maybe we'll do that right now. Let me play. Are you going to play the My Pet Monster theme? Yeah,

I'm going to play like two minutes of an episode and then we're going to talk about Two minutes? Like, well, we'll see. You can talk over it.

Okay. But here, let's, then you can tell us like how, how, what I was thinking. Well, tell us everything.

Hold on here. And now, My Pet Monster. Hold on here. And now, my pet monster. No theme song. I want to see if I can maybe guess the episode. Gotta love that bumper music. Okay, I know this episode already. This is when they, like, make a movie. Aren't they all like that?

I don't know. Monster Movie Madness? Is that the name of this episode? I honestly don't know. I didn't take note of the name. But hold on. What's that voice? That's me talking right there.

So you're the boy talking. Yeah, I'm not the monster You're not the monster I'm Chucky Who's that guy? That's me That's you That's me

This is actually the first episode ever Goodbye cuffs goodbye monster The pilot That's you. That's me. This is actually the first episode ever. Goodbye, Cuffs. Goodbye, Monster. The pilot. I love you too, Monzy. Monzy? So many superstars on this. His name is Monster. That's me talking.

Hey, guys, what's that? Your latest Easter blaster? Yep. We'll show Beaster who's boss next time he tries to catch Monster. Yeah, we're going to scare old Beaster back to Monster See, I have a million questions I'm gonna give this 30 more seconds And I'm gonna pepper you with questions

Scare Beaster Well, promise me you'll be careful And don't forget to take out the trash Today's garbage Jill! I told you never to say the G word in front of Monster You mean garbage? Garbage day!

He sounds a bit like E.T. He loves to eat garbage. Breakfast time. Oh, no. Here we go again. Hey, what? Oh. Yeah.

So many questions for you, Steve. I have a few answers for you before you even ask. Okay. The guy who played the voice of My Pet Monster was a guy named Jeff McGibbon. I haven't seen him since the show in 1987, but I hope he's doing well. I hope he's alive. He probably is. The girl's voice you heard, a very talented Alison Court,

she ended up becoming Lunette on the big comfy couch. Of course, of course. Yeah. And she would do the clock with her hands. Exactly. Absolutely. She now directs the Magic School Bus reboot, which I ended up doing with her, and so we got to reunite

there. But she was one of those. There was a few of us that were like on every cartoon during that period, and she was one of them. There was a few of us that were like on every cartoon during that period, and she was one of them. And then the boy, Max, is played by Sonny, his name was, and he was the kid from the Edison Twins. The Edison Twins was fantastic.

Yeah, so star-studded cast of My Pet Monster. And then, you know, Beaster. Honestly. Honestly. Mr. Hinkle. So, okay. Only 13 episodes

ever recorded of that show. The same 13 episodes played for about 20 years. That's amazing. Okay, so I was, first of all, you know, what's a common thing now is that the kid voices

are done by an adult. Like Bart Simpson's done by an adult woman because you don't, your voice changes, right? So you don't want to do that. Your voice wasn't going to stay like that. It would make sense.

That's cool they had real kids doing the voice. How old were you? I would have been 9 or 10 years old. That's amazing. They only did 13 episodes. Only 13 episodes. It felt like so many more. It's remarkable how much that cartoon played over the course of 20 years.

Wow. I was lucky enough that my voice didn't change or unlucky, depending on high school social life. But I was lucky enough that my voice didn't really change until way later so i was able to really stretch out my uh kid voiceover career much longer than most other kids well i think i could still play a kid in uh in a in a cartoon but uh cam gordon mentioned that that fun fact that you were a voice in my pet monster and then that's like the first time i heard the name stew stone and here you are like so that's how this thing works. And that's amazing.

Thank you, Cam. And Cam has a question for you. Actually, he wanted me to ask this. And maybe I wasn't even supposed to give him credit. I don't know. But he says, who is DJ Farbzy? DJ Farbzy, of course. Farbzy Funk, he's speaking of,

who is a prolific funk DJ in the Toronto area that we grew up with. And he's consistently playing shows in the Kensington Market region. Wow. But shout out to DJ Farbzy. Is he related to you? He is. He's my cousin. Oh, amazing. So actually, all jokes aside, DJ Farbzy, or Brian Farberman, his government name,

or Brian Farberman, his government name, he is probably solely responsible for why a guy like Cam has such great musical taste in his life. He should give DJ Farbsy credit because Farbsy was the one that used to procure all of the tickets to all these concerts that we would go to and we would end up being exposed to

Mike Watt and the Pixies and all of these types of bands we would have up being exposed to Mike Watt and the Pixies and all of these types of bands we would have never heard of. Pavement. It's all DJ Farbs. DJ Farbs was the one that used to force our hand to go to these shows. It's just an FYI.

The Pavement, we talked about that. You're right. Cam loves Pavement. I think a lot of people see the name Pavement and expect a very heavy rock band, right? Like Helmet or something. They're not like that at all. Bad name then. Okay. So DJ Farbsy is your cousin and I also

understand DJ Farbsy is related to Doo Doo the Clown. Doo Doo the Clown, yes. For people who grew up in the Toronto area. Doo Doo the Clown, a legendary clown. He was in the Billy Madison film. The, hey kids, it's me.

Bet you thought that. That's Doodoo the Clown. He also, a few years ago, like a woman was getting mugged. Yes. And Doodoo the Clown, like... He had his moment, right? He saved the day and made world news.

Yeah. So I'm actually directing a show now for CBC called The Thrillusionist. It's a kids' magic series. And Doodoo the Clown's son, Aaron, works for me now. Wow. So Doodoo is a great guy. Oh, he saved that chick, that woman. Yeah.

Yeah, you're right. It was like everybody suddenly discovered. That's when I learned who Doodoo the Clown was. Yeah. Yeah. You're right. It was like everybody suddenly discovered. That's when I learned who Doodoo the Clown was. Yeah. I mean, if you've ever been to the exhibition as a kid, Doodoo is a staple. Oh, man. That's amazing.

Now, you mentioned Magic School Bus. Yes. And Alison Court, who I need to get on this show. She's the best. Do you know her personally? Of course. You can introduce me to Alison Court. Yeah, no problem.

Alison Court could be sitting in that seat. And it all stems back to Cam Gordon mentioning my name. You know when you watch a good documentary about heavy metal music or whatever, and then they do that whiteboard thing where they talk about, okay, the Norwegian black metal came out of this. Yeah, exactly.

It's like a 23andMe, Ancestry.com type of tree. Right. I'm going to do that, and I'm going to have this Cam Gordon box. That leads to me. Yes. That leads to everybody else. And then Allison Court and all these guys.

Yeah. Doodoo the Clown. I can introduce you to Allison, no problem. Allison, I want on the show. You're going to do that. Now, tell me, though, how you're involved with the original Magic School Bus. The Magic School Bus. Okay, so there was like that run.

After My Pet Monster, the floodgates kind of opened for a whole new... You know, I was doing movies and cartoons... Sorry, movies and commercials before that. But once I landed the My Pet Monster gig, the floodgates opened and I ended up being a part of Care Bears and Babar the Elephant and Beetlejuice

and tons of shows. And the Magic School Bus was one of those shows that I was able to be a part of. I was the voice of Ralphie, one of the kids in Miss Frizzle's class. Okay, now, I didn't extract this, but I'm going to play this from YouTube here. Hopefully this works.

Well, there he is right there. Oh, my God. Okay, bear with me here. That's the nice bumper music for Magic School Bus. That's a great little jam there. That's Lily Tomlin as Miss Frizzle. Wow, and she did that from L.A. probably

or something like that? Hold on. Oh, this is the theme song now. Little Richard. That's Little Richard. Yeah. Wow.

Wow. I haven't been this excited about a theme song since the Arthur theme song by Ziggy Marley. He gets his signature... He's still with us too, man. I don't know how old Little Richard is, but he's still out there. You might get baked into a pie on the Magic School Bus. Step inside, it's a wild ride.

Wow. Come on. Right on the Magic School Bus. Okay. So let me know when I hear some stew stone here. That's some cheap animation. I'm going to be a doctor when I grow up. This is not, you got swerved. This is not it?

That's not Magic School Bus anymore. Really? I am, and it's all like that. So, okay, then I'm aborting this I got, yeah You got swerved Somebody put like the Magic School Bus theme over And then put something else after it

I'm so disappointed The old bait and switch Alright, well tell me a little bit about working on Magic School Bus So Magic School Bus was It's easily the best gig I've ever gotten Probably Arguably the best gig I've ever gotten. Probably, arguably the best gig I've ever gotten in my life. It's still, to this day, one of the most watched things for generations and generations.

It's the gift that keeps on giving. But Miss Frizzle, played by Lily Tomlin, has her school of diverse students. All bases are covered with the classroom. And I play Ralphie, one of the kids in the class with the little R on his shirt. And it's like one of those shows where you're like sneaky teaching kids something. So it's really an educational show, but it's, you know, wrapped around a nice cartoon. So,

uh, teachers use it as a tool, uh, in, in school to, to, you know, go for a smoke.

Like they roll in the, uh, the AV cart. Right. And they pop, uh, in an episode of the magic school bus and the kids just watch that. And, uh, that's been going on for years and years and years.

Now Netflix just did a reboot of the show, so to speak. They've got Kate McKinnon now playing the voice of Miss Frizzle. I was lucky enough to be a part of the reboot. Is that right? What are you in the reboot? You can't be Ralphie. I don't play Ralphie. I play various adult roles,

you know, parents of the kids and stuff like that. But a lot of fun. And Allison is the director of the new show. Oh, Allison. Why do I have Stu Stone here

when I can have Allison? I know. She is way more attractive than I am, I'll tell you that. Oh, I can't wait for her visit. But that's amazing. So we've already talked about,

of course, your IMDB list is very lengthy. You've been in a million things. It's like a pickle visit. But that's amazing. So we've already talked about, of course, your IMDB list is very lengthy. You've been in a million things. It's like a pickle barrel menu. It's amazing. And Magic School Bus and My Pet Monster are a couple I wanted to hit. But there's a movie you were in I just want to ask about,

Donnie Darko. Yes. Which I love. You do. And remind me who you are in Donnie Darko. I play Donnie's best friend. We talk about the Smurfs. We smoke cigarettes. We

dress up for Halloween and ride our bikes. I'm in a lot of the movie. That's another one of those things. It just gets bigger. Because it's like a cult favorite. And that brought us the great cover of Mad World. Yeah. I actually

just became friends with that guy on Facebook recently. Is his name Gary Jules? Gary Jules. Yes. And that brought us the great cover of Mad World. Yeah. I actually just became friends with that guy on Facebook recently. Is his name Gary Jules? Gary Jules. Yes. And that's a hauntingly gorgeous cover. And it's a song that most, Mad World is a song most people, you know, really, you know, hoity-toity music people already think Mad World by Tears for Fears is like a classic. Right.

And this guy takes it and, you know, turns it on his head head and it's arguably better than the original it is better than the original uh and that's that album is songs from the big chair right yep and that was a massive album like i remember when and you and i are similar age but when shout broke for example the best i never heard production like that before it was like insane the The drums. Tears for Fears were everywhere. I just saw them recently. They opened for Hall & Oates last year. They were amazing. I'm glad. I don't think I've heard from them since Sewing the Seeds of Love. Well, they're still performing Sewing the

Seeds of Love. Which was like a Beatles song, right? That whole album was like a Sgt. Pepper kind of thing. But they got Head Over Heels. Which was filmed at U of T Library. Oh, really? I didn't know that. Which was filmed at a U of T library. Oh, really? Yeah.

I didn't know that. It was filmed at a U of T library. And also, what's their other one? Everybody Wants to Rule the World. And why do I think of Everybody Wants to Brew the World? Is that... Because Everybody Wants to Rule the World is a song. Yeah. But did somebody do a satire?

And it wasn't Weird Al. No. But there was some novelty song which was Everybody Wants to Brew the World. I don't even know what that means. I don't know, maybe. He did Disco Duck. Yeah, that's what I mentioned. And since we're similar,

do you remember the Sesame Street Fever? Of course. With Grover on the cover, we're doing that. Yeah, oh my God. That was everything to me. But how about this one? Because you talk to most people about Songbird,

Anne Murray, great Canadian singer, whatever. Thornhill resident, by the way. Yes, and golfer, right? A great golfer? Is she? I believe so. Scratch golfer, Anne Murray? I don't know. I heard she's a good golfer. I need her on the show, too. So Alison Court

and Anne Murray. I can't hook you up with Anne Murray. Oh, shit. I'm going to get Anne Murray on the show. But she did an album called Hippo in My Bathroom. Of course. Yeah, we all owned that. Fucking love talking to you. Animal crackers in my soup. Yeah.

Lions and tigers loop the loop. Gosh, oh, gee. And this is all. I mean, I haven't heard this forever, but fucking love that album. And so when I think of Anne Murray, everyone's like, oh, she's Songbird and this and that. No, I think of. Children's. Yeah,, oh, she's Songbird and this and that. No, I think of... Children's. Yeah.

For sure. I think she's like Raffi. I couldn't even tell you an Anne Murray song that's not from that hippopotamus in my bathtub album. That's all I know of her. Yeah, that and Songbird are all I know. You're right. I got one jam ahead of you. But holy smokes, man.

I love those albums. There's another one. This is really obscure. So if you actually remember this, I'll be blown away. I don't think you will, but on road trips and stuff as a kid, the cassette that would go in the tape deck often was called Camping in Canada,

and it was Oscar and Big Bird go camping in Canada. Wow. You don't know this one. I don't know that one, no. I was thinking you were going to say like Stars on 45 or something like that, but no. You went camping?

Camping in Canada. They made like a Canada-centric... Yeah. Was it like Frank Oz's voice? Yeah, yeah, no, it was real voices. Yeah, absolutely. And what's Carol... What's Big Bird's name?

Carol something. Carol... Spinny? Yeah, that's right, that's right. And I always thought that was interesting that the dude had such a woman voice, Carol. I was a sesame street guy and uh i loved i loved sesame street and i also went on the muppet show when the sesame street gang would show up at the muppet show it was like amazing are you allowed to swear on the show yeah

you can it was fucking awesome yeah when ernie and burt would show up and they'd be like hey look it's the sesame street gang and it would they would it would be amazing but i i there was a movie i think it was Follow That Bird. Will Take Manhattan Follow That Bird. Oh Muppets Take Manhattan they showed up too. Right.

But the scene I remember is and this is a Muppet movie so you got your Miss Pig although Kermit was the crossover guy he's in both worlds so that was kind of weird

but what is this a crossover episode? So you have your Muppet people but then walking on the street with Big Bird, and I remember my brain breaking.

Big Bird doesn't exist in the Muppet world. Big Bird's just Sesame Street, but there he is walking. You're right. It was mind-blowing. I loved that. Me too. First time I've ever talked about Donnie Darko,

and it led to like... Oh yeah, Donnie Darko. Okay. It's the first time it's ever led to Muppets Take Manhattan. How did it get there? I don't know. Great movie, by time it's ever led to, like, Muppets Take Manhattan. How did it get there? I don't know. Great movie, by the way. Muppets Take Manhattan.

When Kermit can't remember the rest of the gang, it's heartbreaking. There's a lot of heartbreaking stuff, but the most heartbreaking thing might be at the funeral for Jim Henson when they sing It's Not Easy Being Green. Have you watched any footage of that on YouTube? And I think it's Big Bird actually who sings it. So Big Bird sings at his eulogy or whatever it was, his wake or whatever he had. Saddest thing ever, man. It was saddest thing ever.

I mean, Rainbow Connection is still a very powerful song today. More relevant than ever. But I had the honor of working and meeting with Jim Henson one time. Get out of here. I was on a show called Dog City, which was like a half Muppppets half cartoon kind of show about this dog detective so i played it was like dick tracy but with dogs sure so uh one time i forget what they were filming but they were shooting maybe i want to say like fraggle rock but it wasn't fraggle rock but there was some kind of

muppet special that was being shot at the same studio. I got a chance to go into the room. It was Jim Henson and Frank Oz and Ted Danson. Oh, my God. Jim Henson was my hero. That's the Holy Trinity, actually. Jim Henson, Frank Oz, and Ted Danson. The funny thing is I ended up with a Ted Danson autograph

of the three. That's not too shabby. Oh, Sam Malone, man. Almost made you like the Red Sox. They were eating Chinese food. And I just went in and popped my head in. And they were all very nice. And that's Ted Danson at the height of his powers.

Yeah. Because Cheers is still on the air. Cheers is still on the air. That's the height of his powers. Holy smokes. What a great show that was too. I like the early episodes with Coach and Shelley. I'm the guy who likes it with Shelley Long.

I just like those early episodes. And then What's a Wabble, Rebecca, when Rebecca Howe shows up. It's still good. And then Woody was great, but I still miss Coach. You know, it's funny. Don't you think it's crazy that Woody is the one that ended up with the prolific film career out of all of them? Yeah. And who saw that coming?

White Man Can't Jump, great film. Yeah. Agreed. And that first, I didn't see the second season, so I have to plead against, but the first season of True Detective is some great television. I didn't see it. Oh, it's really good. Is it?

And he's great in it. Woody's great in it. I'm sure. He's great in most things. I love it when he wears his hemp clothing. That's what I remember him from. I heard he quit smoking weed. But he's wearing it.

He's wearing it. He's quit smoking it, but now he's wearing it. That's right. That makes sense. He's what I remember. I heard he quit smoking weed. But he's wearing it. He's quit smoking it, but now he's wearing it. That's right. That makes sense. He's always wearing it. All right. So the Donnie Darko you were in,

I know we're back, Donnie. And I think that's so amazing that you were in Donnie Darko. It was a really cool project to be a part of. A lot of people don't realize, but that was Seth Rogen's first film. No one knows that.

Well, I just told you. Now you know. I'm going to add that to my list of fun facts. So he and I were pals on the set because we were the two. He's from Canada also, and so I'm living in L.A. at that time, and he just moved down there, I guess, to make it, so to speak. And the other kids were very sophisticated type of kids

who were listening to Radiohead and whatnot. And Seth and I got along really well because we were sort of these Canadian, like Jewish stoners. And we were going to say, speaking of, you know, smoking pot, that's Seth. Yeah. So we were palling around back then. And there's a legendary story that I could share with you really quickly. and there's a legendary story that I could share with you really quickly. But the two of us were, you know, we would sneak off and, you know, indulge.

And we got, we hear like a, and we're like, oh, fuck. And we turn around and it's Patrick Swayze sees us and we think we're busted and we're going to get in shit. And he's like, guys, come here. He's like, you're doing it wrong.

And we're like, huh? And he's like, come with me. And he brings us into his trailer and he's got like this medical marijuana that we'd never seen anything like this before. Oh, wow. You know, this predates. This is, by the way, slow down. OK, this is an amazing story. It's insane. So Swayze starts rolling joints. And from that point on, we would go to, we would be, whenever we wanted to do that, we would go to his trailer and it was the three of us

just chiefing joints in between. So let me get straight. Stu Stone. Yes. The lesser known of the three. Seth Rogen. Debatable after this episode

that might change. Seth Rogen. And Patrick Swayze. Patrick. Rest in peace, Patrick Swayze. Dirty Dancing Swayze. Yes.

Who in Roadhouse has Jeff Healy. Yeah. Jeff Healy is in Roadhouse. I know that. And Terry Funk as well. Terry Funk from WWF Wrestling? Yes. Are you kidding me?

A Cam Gordon favorite. And we're going to get to wrestling in a minute here because this is, so many things about you I find fascinating. So you could have had me at My Pet Monster. Like, fine. And this doc, which I've teased once, I'm going to come back. The dock is which I'm going to dive into soon. But then there's all these other things going on.

Like I'm going to play a little bit of this. Bear with me here. I'm scared. This is like, this is your life, Steve. All right. Championship wrestling from Hollywood fans. Everyone here is so excited for September 26th, the big Championship Wrestling from Hollywood house show in Pomona, California.

Now, you're going to see things that you're not going to see televised on television. So the only way to experience is to be there live. Hold on a second. You're telling me that there's a house show in Pomona on the 26th, information on the bottom of the screen, and no one told me about it until now? Are you misusing me? The people want to see me. That's why they come out to these shows, to see me.

This is crazy. How do you not put me on that show? Stu, you're going to be at the show. I'm booked? Yeah, yeah. Of course. We want Stu Stone there. Oh.

Hold on. This is going to be one of the greatest nights ever. I just might have to come. I just might have to take them up on their offer And kick some ass in Pomona Stu Stone's going to be there Might I don't know where to begin

What the fuck That's amazing First of all you channeled There's a little bit of Rowdy Roddy Piper in there Is he your inspiration? He's my favorite of all time Speaking of passed on greats You channeled, like, there's a little bit of Rowdy Roddy Piper in there, right? Is he your inspiration? Growing up, he was definitely one of my favorites. He's my favorite, eh, of all time. Yeah, he's the man.

Speaking of passed on greats. I have some Roddy Piper stories for you. I might have to book you as a regular guest to extract all these. But, okay, tell me how you end up being this. So I grew up a huge wrestling fan, as most people who are. Andre the Giant mug in front of you, by the way. That's an awesome mug, by the way. From 84.

Yeah, that's incredible. So for anyone who grew up in Toronto, it's a huge hotbed for professional wrestling. Jim Tunney, right? Jack Tunney. Jack Tunney. And he would promote at the Maple Leaf Gardens. And anybody...

You know, Toronto was such a big hotbed for professional wrestling that at the CNE, they did a show called The Big Event where Hulk Hogan fought Paul, Mr. Wonderful, Orndorff. I was there. 70,000 of us were there. I was there, and it was... I don't even mean to interrupt your story, except to say that being there live,

you don't hear the commentary by Bobby the Brain and Gorilla Monsoon and these guys, right? So it really does look like a three count, and Paul Orndorff had beat hulk hogan looked like he beat him uh but that you know on a historical wrestling kind of uh way that was the precursor that let vince mcmahon kind of know that he could book a stadium in in that's hogan andre at wrestlemania 3 was the next year so if not for toronto in the cne there might not be a Hogan Andre.

Oh, my God. So, okay. So I grew up into wrestling. Okay. So this is my, I mean. This is your sweet spot. Sweet spot. Okay, hold on.

So a friend of mine who's been over a couple of times is Jason Agnew. Does that mean anything to you? I've never met him, but I know who that is. He's like a wrestling journalist. Yeah, he was host of. Well, that's gone now. Is it gone? The Law People closed up shop on that radio show. But he started his own, like it's like The Law.

I'll hook you up with Alison Court. You hook me up with... Done deal. Okay. Done deal. Not a fair trade, but... I mean, you know, Jason's a good looking guy too. He does a bunch of commercials. So he was in a very popular Tim Hortordens commercial where uh they're out of tim hordens and he says something like or somebody

asks like how do you make the coffee and then you see them like growing the beans in columbia and all these things and at the end he's like how do you make the donuts but this is like a it was aired during the nhl playoffs like ad nausea so a lot of people saw that ad. He did another ad real quick on a Swish LA ad and his wife in the shot, so he's a married guy, two kids in the commercial, he's now dating his wife from the Swish LA commercial.

There's your fun Jason Agate facts. I wish I could get a Swish LA commercial. When I was living in LA, the one thing I missed the most was Swish LA. It's like when you leave a place, you don't realize what you have until it's gone. But then when you come back, you're like, oh, well, why did I? Maybe it's not as good as I remember. But Swish LA was the one thing that I absolutely missed when I was living in LA for 20 years.

No Swish LA. So I'm a huge wrestling fan. Grew up in hook, line, and sinker. You know, a complete obsessive fan. And I always wanted to get into professional wrestling. Obviously, I'm a 5'7 Jew, and I'm not very athletic. So it wasn't going to happen for me. Is Stone your real name? No. It's been my name since I was two. Just like Bob Dylan, you've changed your name.

Sure. But I didn't have a choice in the matter. So I was two years old. I was a kid actor. My parents just changed my name. It's been my name since I was two. Just like Bob Dylan, you've changed your name. Sure, but I didn't have a choice in the matter. So I was two years old. I was a kid actor. My parents just changed my name. It's really Stoneberg. Exactly. So I started podcasting in about 2005, 2006. I had an MTV show at the time, which I'm sure you'll...

No, tell me now about this. So Jamie Kennedy and I... Oh, yeah, I do have something about that. Yeah, he's from Malibu's Most Wanted. So save the Jamie Kennedy thing. I'll save that story. So anyway, I was podcasting'll... No, tell me now about this. So Jamie Kennedy and I... Oh yeah, I do have something about that. Yeah, he's from Malibu's Most Wanted. So save the Jamie Kennedy thing. I'll save that story. So anyway, I was podcasting at the time and it was like Marc Maron and me.

There was no podcast going on. And so this wrestler named Colt Cabana... I've heard the name. He's a fantastic guy. He's sort of like the modern day... I want to say... He doesn't wrestle like Bruiser Brody, but the way that Bruiser Brody,

if you've ever heard that name. No, I don't know that name. He was like, or Abdullah the Butcher. You've heard of him? I've heard of him. Okay, so these are guys that were fringe guys that weren't in WWF, but made a living because they were on the independent circuit. So they were sort of like the indie rock stars of the wrestling world.

So that's Colt Cabana today. Anyway, so I produced a movie about the Iron Sheik that's on Netflix now called The Sheik. And part of that film allowed me to go and interview all these wrestlers. So I got to interview, like, everybody. Did you interview Nikolai Volkov? I've spent quality time with Nikolai Volkov. Did you know he's not Russian? He's not Russian.

He's Lithuanian. Something else. He lives in Baltimore. He's a bus driver. Great guy, by the way. Nikolai Volkov is a sweetheart. Anyway. Well, okay.

One more, though. What about George the Animal Steel? George the Animal Steel I never met, but I hear mixed things about George. But I heard he was like a professor or something. That was the urban legend. Yeah, he was a principal in Detroit at a high school. And the character in, uh, is it a Billy Madison back to Billy Madison, the character of the,

the, the, the principal that's based on George, the animal steel. That's awesome. Right. Yes. Cause he was a,

he was a masked wrestler. He was the principal, right? Sorry for stealing your story here, but I don't even remember where I was, but anyway, so, oh yeah.

So cold cabana, I meet him and he's like, Hey man, I really want to do a podcast. Can you help me? I said, Hey man, I really want to get into wrestling. Can meet him, and he's like, hey, man, I really want to do a podcast. Can you help me? I said, hey, man, I really want to get into wrestling. Can you help me? He's like, yeah, sure.

So I helped him launch his show, which is called The Art of Wrestling, which is a huge podcast, much like yours. Bigger than this. No, no, probably the same. Yours is probably bigger. But, you know, it's a niche thing, wrestling. But it's easily the longest-running, most successful wrestling podcast.

And Jason Agnew would know about it. And so in exchange, Colt kind of got my foot in the door with a company, the National Wrestling Alliance, the NWA, which is still in existence. Billy Corgan now owns the NWA. I heard he's connected to the NWA. He owns it. He bought it. So they're going to try to re- He's gone a little crazy, right? Now he's going

on, what's that show with Alex? That right wing... Oh my god. I heard him on Howard Stern and he was talking about shape-shifting and stuff like that. Yeah, I heard he's gone a little nuts. I still love Siamese Dream. I think that was a great album.

And I even like the double one. Melancholy. Melancholy and Infinite Silence. Start to finish Siamese Dream. You can listen to it the whole way through. And that song, Today, I like to turn up the volume because it starts really quiet.

And then it just hits you. There's a certain guitar tone that Smashing Pumpkins have that I've heard other bands try to replicate that sound a lot like that but they were the they had their own distinct guitar sound you know just like van helen had its own sound smashing pumpkins but yeah bands that have their own sound uh you too for example you know what you do but i need i haven't said this on the podcast yet you're gonna after this discussion which is you're going to kick out the jams.

I forgot to tell people that. We're going to play your 10 favorite songs of all time and chat about them. There was so much pressure putting together that list that I don't even necessarily want to quantify it as the 10 greatest songs of all time. It's the 10 greatest songs that I thought of at the moment that I was asked for the 10 greatest songs.

And they're not all, for the record, and we'll find out soon, but they're not all Stone songs. No. I don't think any of them are. No, none of them are. That would be funny, though.

I'll say, anyway, I got into wrestling, blah, blah, blah. Oh, I fucking loved that clip, and I didn't know anything about it, and some guy named Cam Gordon tipped me off. I said, he gave me two tips when he heard you were coming on. He said, DJ Farbsy. Yeah. I'm glad he did that. Didn't have any dinner.

Then your wrestling persona, which I love. I go by Stu the Jew, Stu Stone. Is that true? Yeah. I'm glad he did that. And. Didn't have any dinner. Then your wrestling persona, which I love. I go by Stu the Jew. Stu Stone. Is that true? Yeah, I do. For real. Stu the Jew. And I have a faction called the Family Stone.

Yes. I'm sort of like a Bobby the Brain kind of. Bobby the Brain was the best. Yes. I'm sort of like channeling a Bobby the Brain bad guy with like, you know, instead of King Kong Bundy, I have my own guys. King Kong Bundy was great. He's still alive, right?

Yeah, King Kong is alive. And, you know, I've had a lot of fun. David Marquez in the Championship Wrestling from Hollywood team. Eventually, I went from like a broadcaster. I was sort of like an interviewer to this bad guy character. And then I became sort of a producer of the show as well. And it's still going strong. It's actually better than ever. And Championship Wrestling from Hollywood is now syndicated. Wow. And it's everywhere. So it's really, really cool.

And you're like a character in that world. Yeah. You can come back. Well, I've been absent from the show for a while now because I started directing movies recently. So I had to exit the show. But the way that we wrote me off the show is that a wrestler broke my neck. So I have a broken neck in wrestling. So if you show up again, you have to have some kind of...

I have to have a neck brace and a lawyer. Or maybe you could have one of the characters heal you or something. Right. But I do love... The product now isn't what it was back then, obviously, but I have a great respect for the art of wrestling. I think it's like magic. It's like very similar principles

where you're trying to, the audience watching knows that it's not real, but you're asking them to suspend their disbelief and maybe that was real. I know this is fake, but that had to be real. That's the thing I love about it. Unbelievable. So already my mind's blowing

because there's a Donnie Darko thing going on. There's a My Pet Monster thing. Now there's that wrestling thing, but then there's this. Let's listen to this for a moment and talk about it. Oh, here we go. You are now about to witness the strength of Bob Saget.

Have you ever had one of those nights that started off so damn good? No fights, no fuss, it's understood that when you go to the bar, man, we ain't even to those girls in the car. Well, this night started off just like that, except Jamie's in the driver's seat, Saget's in the back. We rolling on 20s to the club. Pull up front, Saget's in the backseat. Cali opens up the door to park the car. The veils are at the front. Don't wanna let us in the bar.

That's Terry Crews, by the way. Here, let me show him some affection. Yeah, it is. He's got a wound up cold-clocked ectum. Started screaming for the back to respect him. Next thing you know, we're in the VIP section. Terry Crews. John Stamos.

John Stamos? Okay, this is the video, people. You gotta search for Jamie Kennedy's Stewstone featuring Bob Saget. This is called Rollin' with Saget. Yeah. And that voice is yours. This is you. Yeah.

That's Jamie Kennedy. Three models. Dude, this is amazing. How did this come to be? I can tell you, it's really funny. Dude, this is amazing. How did this come to be? I'll tell you, it's really funny. So Jamie had done that movie Malibu's Most Wanted, where it's actually a really great movie.

I love it. And he wanted to do a rap album as B-Rad, his character from Malibu's Most Wanted. So he kind of hired me to write and produce a record for him. And it turned out that, you know, I would demo these songs for him and then he would come into the studio and record over what I had done to sort of fill in the blanks.

There's George Lucas. George Lucas is in this video. That's a fucking great story. Forget about how this happened. Let me just tell you the George Lucas story. Do it. So we're shooting this music video for Rollin' with Bob Saget.

The very, very CliffsNotes version, ColesNotes, because we're in Canada, version of the Bob Saget songs. We were looking for a guest featured for a rap song. Jamie and I ended up becoming a duo. No rapper would touch us. And so I was going through Jamie's phone and I got to be in Bob Saget. I was like, fuck, that'd be amazing. So we just called Bob and within moments

Bob was like he showed up at the studio and we're rapping and a guy from Toronto named Decisive who's a Toronto rapper I know yeah

he was I know this guy yeah so Decisive he did the beat for this track he actually came up with the line the illest motherfucker

in a carton of sweaters how's he doing though because he sort of went quiet yeah he's doing okay now. Everybody goes through. Because he was booked on the show, and then he postponed it. Because he lived north of the city or something.

And then he's going through some stuff. He's going through some stuff. But the music business has lots of ups and downs. And I'm sure Derek will land on his feet. But he was actually in a movie I directed called Scarecrows. Decisive is in the movie. He's good. He's just a great

he's one of those genius-y type of dudes that anyway so he was involved in this song as well. I gotta give Decisive credit. But anyway we're shooting the music video for this Rollin' with Saget song and Jamie's like is that George Lucas? We like look

over and George Lucas is like standing there. And basically, the place where we were shooting the music video, next door to it was where they were shooting CSI, and they were using these new Lucas cameras that had just come out, and he was supposed to come visit them on set. He walked through the wrong door and ended up on our set. Did a cameo. And we were like George and it

turned out George's daughter was the biggest full house fan and she was with George and it's just like serendipity here right Bob comes over and Bob's you know and by the way I'm filmed here I was living downtown at the time and they Dave Chappelle movie with

Half Baked I auditioned for that movie okay Bob Saget's cameo in that is fucking priceless man have you ever Dave Chappelle movie with Half Baked. I auditioned for that movie. Okay. Bob Saget's cameo in that is fucking priceless, man. Have you ever sucked dick for marijuana? But that's who he is in real life. Yeah, he's a blue comic. Like the bluest of blue. Like his introduction to people is like,

hey, how are you? I'm Bob. My grandmother has AIDS. That's his opener. Yeah, fuck. But Bob is just a great guy. Obviously a legend in the stand-up comedy world that if you just watch full house or america's funny stone videos you would never

know this but bob is a student of rodney dangerfield and you know he was rodney's favorite do you remember rapping ronnie of course rodney i mean that that is uh i had it on cassette rapping rodney and that was a period where, as you know, every cheesy rap thing... I mean, that's good, what I just heard with you. That's actually good, but everybody was putting out rap albums. Chicago Bears even put out a rap. Yeah, the Super Bowl Shuffle. Right. Yeah, of course.

William Refrigerator Perry. He's still alive, right? I don't know. He was a big guy. He'll be... WrestleMania 2 Battle Royal participant, William the Refrigerator Perry. Oh, my God. It all comes...

It's all coming together right now. But all this is to say, rapping Rodney... I get no respect. It's awful in hindsight, but there are a lot of people rapping who never should have been rapping. Right.

Well, arguably, Jamie Kennedy and I were probably on that list. I was trying to be kind here. We had a show on MTV at the time called Blowing Up, which was sort of like a Curb Your Enthusiasm for rap. And it was like Jamie and I trying to make it as rappers

and every episode we're trying to figure out what do we got to do to get a deal. What happens, because Jamie Kennedy is a famous person. You hear the name Jamie Kennedy, you recognize it, but there's not the same recognition with Stu Stone. You should be as big as Jamie Kennedy. I'm sort of like one of these under-the-radar guys, and I'm okay with that.

I've had a long career. I've been in a ton of stuff that you're like, oh, you were in that? Which is fine. That's right. There's like a non-aminity, non-aminity, what's the word I'm looking for? Anonymity.

Anonymity that I kind of like. Man. It's not a sprint. It's a marathon. Where do you live now? I actually live in, I have a place in Sherman Oaks, California. Okay. And then I recently last month just got a condo in Toronto because I've been working

here so much that I just decided let's plant some seeds here again. Well, do you want to talk? Let's, let's do it now. Uh, should I start the trailer? Okay. So let's set it up by saying there's a documentary called Jack of All Trades. Yes. And you co-directed this.

Yes. You and who? Harv Glazer, who directed the film Kicking It Old School, another Jamie Kennedy classic. Harv and I grew up across the street from each other as kids in Thornhill. And when it came time to make this movie, I knew it was going to be a really personal film. It made sense to sort of team up with Harv. My brother-in-law, Adam Rodness, is the producer.

My sister, Carrie, is the co-producer. So it's really a friends and family type of production. But basically, to make a long story short, baseball cards were the biggest thing ever from around 1984 to 1991. That sweet spot that we talk about. I remember it well. Everybody story short baseball cards were the biggest thing ever from around 1984 to 1991 that sweet spot that we talk about i remember it well everybody was collecting and i was not by the way at that period i was a massive blue jay fan yeah league baseball perfect time to be a blue jays fan from 85 to 93 they were in the playoffs then they won the world series twice yep um that was the time that my father's had a a chain of baseball card shops called sluggers

they were everywhere and uh you know my whole life was just baseball cards baseball cards hockey cards football cards basketball cards cards cards cards was everything right and uh around uh i guess 1991 my dad sold the business and just like disappeared and so i had sort of just like baseball cards were out of my life from like being so enthralled in that world to being like not in it at all uh cut to 20 years later my grandfather uh passed away and um he's uh probably in heaven playing cards with rowdy rowdydy Piper right now. But my grandfather passed away, and in his basement when they were cleaning up the house,

they found all these boxes that had my name on them that I must have packed away when my dad took off and we had to move. So these boxes were never opened, so I kind of had a hunch what might be inside. And I was like, hey, we should film this because I think there's going to be some great stuff in here. I remember I was like a trained collector as a kid, so I wonder what's in here.

Now, this sounds like when Geraldo Rivera was filming the opening of Al Capone's vault. Al Capone's glove compartment in UHF. Right. Which was, I'm looking at Maestro's face right now. We're going to come right back. I can't wait. We're going to come right back, I can't wait, we're going to come right back to your jack of all trades here, but in the video for

Let Your Backbone Slide or Drop the Needle, I think it's Let Your Backbone Slide, they spoof it, like they broke into the vault of Capone, couldn't find Jack, oh, that was Drop the Needle, they broke into the vault of Capone, couldn't find Jack, so they all went home, my vault could never be open because I locked it. Okay, so this is a Maestro video, which playing the Geraldo character in that video is the director of that video, whose name is Joel Goldberg, and it was known as Jay Gold.

He created Electric Circus, and he directed those. And last night was the first ever Toronto Mic'd listener experience, where listeners of this podcast collected at Great Lakes Brewery, which we'll talk about in a minute because I have a gift for you. GLB.

We all got together. This is last night. Queen Elizabeth Boulevard in Etobicoke. You know your shit, man. We all got together last night. Joel Goldberg was there as a supporter of the show. Like coincidentally? No.

He was an invited guest. He was an invited guest. Well, everyone who listens to this podcast was invited and he's a listener of this podcast. And what happens at that gathering? Are you doing a broadcast there?

No, we actually had a drink off. We had a live band and everybody got a free beer and then there was five dollar pints on the patio. Zit Remedy?

Oh, I would love it, buddy. The Zit Remedy. Everybody wants something. That was a great band. Actually, your buddy Cam Gordon had a chat with Pat Mastroianni about the zit remedy. But we all got together last night, and I just pointed out that Joel Goldberg, who played the Geraldo Rivero character trying to break into the vault of Capone who couldn't find Jack, so they all went home.

That all happened last night. That's amazing. So if we had had this episode earlier, I would have invited you to that. And if Stu Stone had made an appearance. So if you're in town, we're going to do it again in September. You got to make an appearance. I mean, as long as there's an invitation.

Just come in as the persona that you are with that Rowdy Roddy Piper thing. Okay. So Jack of all trades, your father. Now, do you want to play the trailer now? No, I'll explain it a little bit more. So we filmed it, and I found all these old baseball cards. So I'm like, I'm going to be rich. You know, I was always told a little bit more. So we filmed it, and I found all these old baseball cards.

So I'm like, oh, I'm going to be rich. I was always told, put these away. One day they're going to be worth money. This is one day. It's been 25 years. It's got to be, this is it. Time to cash in. And the documentary sort of, I discover that the value isn't what we thought it was going to be.

So it starts as sort of an investigative piece on like, what happened to baseball cards, the rise and fall, the bubble burst, what happened? Was there some chicanery involved? Shout out to Cam Gordon on that word. Was there what was going on? And then it's sort of Harv, you know, who grew up with me sort of pushed me in a direction of, well, the only person that's going to tell you the truth would be your dad. And so my dad, who, you know, have been estranged from for my almost my entire life, I end up sort of trying to reconvene with him to get some answers. So it turns into a really heavy kind of father son piece. But I'm really proud of this movie. Of all the works that I've done, this was the most difficult

project for me to be a part of. Well, it's so personal. And I have an estranged father. I totally relate to this. I watched this trailer, and it starts off about one thing I love, which is baseball and cards, and there's my buddy, Mike Wilner, and I'm like, oh my god, this is cool.

And then it moves on you, and you're it's like uh i need to see this thing so wait how do i see this thing well super channel uh has the rights for canada so uh if you search for jack of all trades on your rogers cable box you can pull it up and watch it on demand anytime uh you may have to pay a super channel premium of like $9.99 and then you can just It's worth it though. You know, watch The Wire or whatever other shows

they have on there. That's on Crave TV. I have, so it's not on Crave TV though. I got that. Oh, it's not The Wire. That's a bell phone. Sorry, my bad.

Homeland is the show that they have on Super Channel. But a lot of my other films that I direct are also on Super Channel. So there's a whole You know, there's a box set

of The Wire right there. Oh, really? Just to bring it again. Oh,'s a whole... You know, there's a box out of the wire right there. Oh, really? Just to bring it again. Oh, there you go. You're mentioning all these things. One of the best shows of all time. It's my favorite show of all time. Not on Super Channel.

Not on Super Channel. It's on Crave TV. I got it so with my teenage son, I could watch it with him in HD because I watched it in SD. That's SD discs. But it's in HD now on Crave TV. That's a free plug for Crave TV. Well, Super Channel is what we're really talking about here. Super Channel is what matters.

Fuck Crave TV right now. Fuck Crave TV. Super Channel has... is what we're really talking about. Super Channel is what matters. Fuck Crave TV right now. Super Channel has the rights for jack of all trades. Jack of all trades. So if you grew up in the Toronto area and you collected baseball cards, which anyone who's listening to this show likely did or knew someone who did, this is the movie for you because it will bring back memories of that heyday. Or if you have father issues. And if you have daddy issues,

which a lot of people who are from that sweet spot era have that issue. A lot of dads left during that period of time. And that's why we always cry at Field of Dreams, right? Yeah, exactly. I can't even talk about it. I'm getting emotional just thinking about it. I can't honestly.

I even say in those words, I'm fucked. So I'm going to play this. Shout out to Breakthrough Entertainment and the Rogers Doc Fund for supporting this film and Super Channel for bringing it to people's eyes here in Canada.

Yeah, for sure. And by the way, that Field of Dreams, I tear up even thinking about that scene, but the other one that gets me is Big Fish. Yeah, I like that movie. I love that movie and the end, I can't even talk about that. Spoiler. Spoiler, I won't say anymore. You know, I'll tell you. Yeah, I love that movie. And the end, I can't even talk about that. Spoiler. Spoiler, I won't say anymore.

You know, I'll tell you something. Toy Story 3. Yeah, that's good. That's a sad ending. Yeah, you're right. Because it sort of makes you realize, like, holy shit, the first movie was like 20 years ago. Like, I'm old.

Yeah, you're right. Yeah, Toy Story 3 is a good example, too. But do you want to, can I play the trailer now? We'll see how it translates. I mean, it's your show. You can do what you want. Yeah, it's my show. I guess you're right.

So everybody should watch the visual, which I'll post somewhere. I'll share it. I've already tweeted it, but I'll put it on the blog entry for this episode. But here's how it sounds. Let's listen. My generation was the last to grow up without the internet.

We didn't have smartphones, laptops, or reality TV. We had baseball cards. In the late 80s, early 90s, there were something like 10,000 baseball card shops in the United States. My dad, Jack, had opened a baseball card store called Sluggers, and by 1990, there were 11 locations. Your father was like the king of the pod. Everybody went to Jack.

I remember stories of my dad going through his stuff and finding, like, like million dollar treasures. Maybe that will happen to me. What do I bring up every time you come in? These boxes. I'm just excited to crack them open and see what's in there. They're in mint condition. Probably worth a fortune.

It almost seemed like overnight the industry happened. We went from $3 million a year to almost $150 million a year for seven straight years. The 89 Upper Deck King Griffey Jr. rookie card, it changed the game. It just sparked a frenzy. So it's like printing $20 bills, $50 bills, $100 bills. It was a $400 case, cost. And as soon as somebody got it, it was worth $1,000.

People were going to Price Club and Costco, buying everything off the rack and putting it in the garage. If I hold onto this thing for 30 years, nobody's going to have one. It's going to be the only one. And that didn't happen. There was an artificial bubble of value. I don't understand. My dad told me, you know, put these away.

Someday they'll be worth something. I have never, ever seen any proof of is that Upper Deck was creating sheets of just griffy rookies. Once again, not criminal enterprise, but might as well have been. This is part of the story. Is it? That's why daddy left. I came here to like relive the happy memories.

Not a Cherry Springer episode. To the outside world, we look like we had the best life. On the inside, it wasn't so great. All of a sudden one day we just got told that he was getting out of the business. He was convinced that something had happened in the industry. I traded the cases for the store.

That was pretty much the day everything changed. He left and so did cards. The father happened to be 20 years either. Neither have I. This journey started with me trying to find out, like, what happened to those cards. And now it's kind of turned into, I'm like, trying to find him. Your dad's in Toronto. I talked to him. Shut up. I can't believe what happened next. Wait till you grow up and you can look for me.

Wait till you grow up and you can look for me. Stu, I'm telling you, I got to see this, man. Yeah, you do. I'll send you a copy so that you can watch it. Oh, my God. You're going to save me the 10 bucks. I love that. Unless, of course, you want to watch Homeland. You should probably get Super Channel.

I hear it's good. I hear it's good. I've never seen it, but I hear good things. I've never seen it either. There's a lot of popular big shows I haven't seen. So, wow. Okay. So, that's good. I've never seen it, but I hear good things. I've never seen it either. I've never seen it either. There's a lot of popular big shows I haven't seen. So, wow. Okay, so that's amazing. Jack of all trades,

and I need to see it. So yeah, definitely send it to me. Whew, I don't even know how to change the channel, but before we spin some tunes, I have to give some love to some people, especially Great Lakes Brewery,

who hosted, they hosted the first ever Toronto Mic Listener Experience last night, and it was great. Everyone I met yesterday was amazing. The people who showed up, it was just such tremendous support.

I mean, Retro Ontario was there, Mark from 1236. I love it. Retro Ontario, that's that. Ed Conroy. He was there with Jay Gold yesterday, Joe Goldberg. They are the ones that post the great. There was a My Pet Monster for sure on there. Dude, you got the right guy.

Retro Ontario. I love that. Retro Ontario. He comes over as often as he can. He comes here and we do, you would love the Retro Ontario episodes of Toronto Mike. That's made for guys like you. And we talked yesterday, he's coming back again ASAP. But yeah, he was a big star last night.

People wanted to meet Retro Ontario and they got to meet him. I mean, he pulls out like some of those old commercials and TV Ontario shows. Speaking of Alison Court, I'm sure the definitive archiver of all things Alison Court is probably Retro Ontario. But there was a very interesting Uncle Bobby discussion yesterday about whether Uncle Bobby liked kids or not. And I don't mean like in a dirty way. I mean actually liked kids. And what was the answer? It doesn't sound like it.

It sounds like, because he was actually a school bus driver when he was an Uncle Bobby, and it sounds like he hated kids. Yeah. Fucking asshole. And this is all retro Ontario stuff that we talk about,

but Uncle Bobby had a trailer in the Agent Court studio where they filmed Uncle Bobby. He had a trailer where, thankfully not the kids, but the mothers were invited to the trailer for some Uncle Bobby fun. To go have sex with Uncle Bobby? Yes. Is that true?

Retro Ontario swears it's true. That Uncle Bobby was railing the stage moms? Yeah. Wow. And that was like a big thing there. The moms would disappear to the trailer. I just actually, coincidentally, I wanted to announce my new project, Uncle Stu, which is disappear to the trailer. I just actually, coincidentally, I wanted to announce

my new project, Uncle Stu, which is going to be taking place. Uncle Stu, yeah. You're a Jack of all trades. Okay. And your dad's name is Jack.

That's why the name makes so much sense. Okay. So thank you for hosting Great Lakes Brewery and thank you for the free, I negotiated hard with a lot of these guys

that everyone who came for the Toronto Mike experience got their first glass of beer for free on the house. house. So that was amazing. But there's also six cans in front of you, Stu. That's for you. You take that home with you. Oh, really? Great Lakes Brewery. Yeah, free beer.

Really? Just for being here. That's for me? All for you. Wow. Thank you very much, Great Lakes Brewery. And when you're in Toronto and you want the taste of fresh craft beer, you go to Great Lakes Brewery. Of course.

That's where you go. I go all the way over to 30 Queen Elizabeth Boulevard. You got it, buddy. And you're going to need a pint glass to pour that beer into because you're a classy guy. So that's yours as well. So that pint glass is courtesy of Brian Gerstein.

Is this from Brian? And he's in Thornhill as well, by the way. Nice Jewish guy. Brian Gerstein. Gerstein's Jewish. I thought it was Irish. No, no, no. Oh, he's a sales representative for... PSR Brokerage. Yeah, the broker.

That's the real estate king. You know, he's got a question for you. You want to hear from Brian? Sure. This is... Does it have to do with real estate?

No. I already bought a condo, so... Well, if anyone's looking to buy and or sell, you've got to contact Brian. But Brian has a different question for you. Let's hear from Brian.

Propertyinthe6.com Hi, Stu. Brian Gerstein here, sales representative with PSR Brokerage and proud sponsor of Toronto Might. 416-873-0292 is the number to call or text me for any of your real estate needs. Stu, your documentary looks amazing, and the twist with your father makes it that much more human and compelling, making it not just about the sports card industry. I do, though, have a question about all my 70s hockey cards,

and the one year that I have a ton of them that were not thrown against the door of my brother was the 1976-77 Opeche set, which was a dog of a year, though, with only the Brian Trocci rookie card worth much. Though I do have a ton of Bobby Orr cards in a Blackhawks uniform. Are they worth anything? And if so, how much? It's a great question. Thank you for the question, Brian. That was fucking awesome. I want Brian just to ask me questions like every day now.

I can make that happen. But yeah, listen, you're going to have to find somebody that is really obsessive over a mid-70s Opeche hockey, and I'm sure there's some value if they're in good condition. But generally speaking, you probably miss the boat by a few years because it's like the 79 OPG set. That's the one that's the Holy Grail because that's got the

Wayne Gretzky rookie card. Who was technically not a rookie. Who was technically not a rookie, but that's the one you want. But, you know, Trottier, you find some Islanders fan, and it's in good condition, you could probably get something for it. Anything before 1980 in any kind of cards is worth more because it wasn't produced as much.

And there wasn't a savviness of people weren't putting them into plastic sleeves and binders. They were, like you said, Brian, throwing them against the door and putting them in their bicycle spokes. So if you have stuff like that that's in good condition, especially in the Toronto area where hockey is a hotbed, you know, there's probably some value to those cards if you find the right guy. That's my short answer. That's a great answer. I remember the mania over the Ken Griffey Jr. rookie card from Upper Deck. Unbelievable.

I remember that mania. And I wasn't a big, I mean, there's a bunch of cards even behind you in the corner there. You'll see, like, I have old hockey cards. You can kind of see it by the stereo there. Pro set. Right. I mean, I have them all, but I never ever thought of it as an investment. I just liked it. You were smart.

Listen, there's a lot of parallels that you can make to what happened with sports cards even as, you know, with Bitcoin and stuff like that that are going on now, where there's a whole sort of, the whole mentality behind Bitcoin is, hold, in 20 years, it's going to be worth a million dollars.

It's like that's what baseball cards was built on. And just unfortunately, they've cleaned up the industry now, so it's not the way that it was. But a lot of bubbles are built on that sort of frenzy and speculative, this is going to be worth a fortune. For sure. Like Beanie Babies.

Beanie Babies. Pogs. That's right. Now, I play in this song. I played this song before for Census Design and Build. And it's Trini Lopez, If I Had a Hammer, and Mark Hebbshire from Sportsline. Oh, wow. Who's going to be here at 2.30.

Shut up. If you want to meet him, he's going to be at 2.30. Holy shit. We record his podcast here. Mark Hebsher. He's going to be at 2.30. I used to stay up late at 11.30 just to watch him and Jim Toney. Yes.

And they had like the Steve Miller band was playing as their, holy shit, that's a huge get. He's literally living on my couch right now. You have to tell him I'm a huge fucking fan of his. Well, you know, right now it is at 117. You might actually be here when he shows up. I might still be here. So he would love to meet you. So he told me this wasn't Trini Lopez, and I thought it was, but I didn't want to like...

Why is he living on your couch? Is he going on some tough times? He is, but I'm not supposed to talk about that. But he records his Hebsey on Sports podcast here. I'm his producer. My company, TMDS, is producing his podcast. But if I

had a hammer, it's for Census Design and Build. And if you're looking for architectural design, interior design, and turnkey construction services, they're your GTA leaders. You've got to contact Census Design. So I'm going to give you their phone number. Write this down.

Yeah, you need some work done on your condo? I might. 416-931. 931, okay. 1422. That's 1422. Are they spelling that with a C? I don't know. No, it's an S. It's an S? Yeah. You're right, it's 1422. Are they spelling that with a C? I don't know. But, no, it's an S.

It's an S? Yeah. Okay. You're right, it's an S. I always just say go to the website and contact them that way. CensusDesignBuild.ca. Do it, and you can schedule your zoning and cost project feasibility study. So if you're going to fix up your current home, that's Census Design.

If you need a new home or want to sell your home, that's Brian Gerstin at Property in the 6. You're covered both ways. And if you want to drink at your new home, you go to Great Lakes Brewery. Without a doubt, my friend. Mark Hebbshire. Mark Hebbshire's here at 2.30.

So in one hour. And he checks in and then he sleeps here? No. So we record twice a week. So he's here, he comes over twice a week to record Hebbsian Sports.

So that was more of a figure of speech, that whole... He doesn't really live on my couch. Why are you kicking me? Hebsey is a good friend. He just came back from a road trip. He went to New Hampshire to see the Fisher Cats.

Oh, wow. That's Vladdy Guerrero's team. Yeah, but he missed Vladdy by like a moment. He missed Vladdy somehow. And Vladdy's on his way to either now or in a minute he's going to Buffalo. I've got to be honest. This is a shoot, okay? Not a work.

I was a big Sportsline fan for real. Yeah, me too. We're the same thing. It was like the fucking best. It was everything. That's why I got to know Hebsey because I had him on my show as a guest because I needed to talk about Sportsline for 90 minutes. And yeah, I'm telling you, I'm with you.

Fantastic. And the Hebsey Awards. fantastic and the hebsey awards yeah the hebsey awards right right right tip-top tailors i believe did his suits yes and he had the earring i remember uh he was the cool guy with the earring i think he's lost the earring since then but uh no for sure for sure and before we kick out the jams uh there's another sponsor plug payttm Canada The only app in Canada That gives you rewards for your bill payments So Stu seriously this is what I do

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It is. And they got Pink Floyd. Don't tell Pink Floyd. Don't tell Roger Waters about that. It's a little secret there. We're using that. But listen, Stu. I don't speak to Roger that often, so don't worry. I'm a Gilmore guy. Yeah, right.

Are you ready to kick out the jam? Sure. I mean, this is it. This is the greatest. There is. What a bass line, right? Oh, so good. I mean, if this doesn't just make you smile the minute that the needle drops,

then fuck you. You need help. Quincy Jones produced this album. Oh, is that right? Yeah. I didn't know that. You knew that. It's full of information.

You knew that. Of course. I can tell you something really interesting about this song. I want to hear everything. I think that this is probably the, you know, this is, you know, for my generation anyway, this is probably the most prolific pop song of all time. Change the Game. You know, Michael Jackson went from a kid entertainer to a serious threat.

Change the World. MTV was built on this music video before Thriller, before Beat. You know, the sidewalk lighting up and all that. But a funny story is that Billy Ocean was in the studio. Caribbean Queen. Okay, so Billy Ocean was in the studio

while they were recording Billie Jean next door. He popped his head and heard this and was like, oh shit, we gotta beat this song to the punch. And Caribbean Queen, if you listen to Caribbean Queen, it's almost the same song. Oh my god. I love this fact. Dude, this is gonna be the best kick of the

jams ever. So he heard Billie Jean and was like, oh shit, we gotta beat that. And then they, you know, Caribbean Queen is a great song, but it's a rip-off almost entirely of Billie Jean. Billie Ocean I gotta give them some props

for the craziest the craziest title of a song of all time Get Out of My Dreams and Into My Car great song it is great Going Gets Tough

The Tough Gets Going The Going Gets Tough Suddenly Oh my god Suddenly Life is so good Suddenly I don't remember as well

Wake up suddenly and you're in love. Oh, my God, of course. Yeah, dude. And, of course, Caribbean Queen, which was a ripoff of Billie Jean. Billie Jean. Amazing. I was listening at this time. I was a big listener of 680 CFTR.

Of course. Yeah. And Tom Rivers in the morning. Tom Rivers. And also the stupid joke of the day. That was Mike Cooper. Yeah. The 5'10 stupid joke of the day. Yeah. And Tom Rivers in the morning. Tom Rivers. And also the stupid joke of the day. That was Mike Cooper. Yeah. The 5'10 stupid joke of the day.

Yeah. Mike Cooper. Fox and Rice. SJ of the D. Oh, dude. That is my jam. And the Top 6 at 6. And I used to record it to cassette.

Of course. I used to mix it. And it would be like Duran Duran songs. Or Madonna. Madonna, Michael Jackson, Cyndi Lauper, you know. Oh, my God. Yeah. You know, if you don't really, you know,

dig too deep into the lyrics of this song and like what it's actually about, it's, which I'm not going to do right now, but it's actually quite a melancholy tune. You know, it's like, you know, that's not my kid. You're right, you're right. It's deceptively melancholy,

like much like Outk outcast Hey Ya. So he sang like this girl that had a one-night stand claims that I'm the father of her kid, but I'm telling you, that kid's not my son. He never fucked this girl. That's the song. And I believe him. Me too.

In hindsight, he wasn't lying. But what a song. Like, just the groove, everything about it is just sonicallyically Just a good song I own two different Cassette copies of Thriller That's Who does that?

Yeah And why? So of all the guests That you've had on that do Their like top ten songs Does this appear More often than not Or am I like

No because I have a feeling People just try to be cool People try to be cool That's what it is Like that Cam Gordon thing Although Mike Wilner Who was in your trailer And was Wilner good for this?

You came over and filmed Wilner Yeah, well he's Wilner's the man I've used him in other projects His brother's even kicked out Well, he's kicked out the jams Mike Wilner And he didn't care about being cool

Yeah, I didn't either I want to preface that I know like People want street cred And they want to You know, choose deep cuts To show that they're fucking so cool and they know things

fuck all that fuck all that Billie Jean is one of the greatest songs pop songs ever it's hard to even argue like it's hard

to come up with a bigger one but I will say that so Mike Wilner kicks out the jams and he clearly I mean you have a lot of overlap

with Mike actually and he's a big Duran Duran guy I am too but his brother Norm kicked out the jams he was I think Mike actually and he's a big Duran Duran guy I am too but his brother Norm kicked out the jams his I think older brother his brother's a film critic

yes at Now Man I need him to review Jack of All Trades well we can make that happen we'll do that I'm very friendly with Norm Willner but Norm Willner

I felt like his jams were great but they were cool yeah that's that Cam Gordon thing I was listening to Cam on your show he's like very cool

deep cuts this is the pixies. It's like, fuck off, Cam. This is a jam right here, though. First concert I can remember. Oh my god. This is just like a mind-blowing myself thing. Has anyone ever said

they've mind-blown themselves? This has happened to me. My first concert I ever went to was Billy Ocean at Canada's Wonderland. My first concert I ever went to was Billy Ocean at Canada's Wonderland. My second concert I ever went to was the Jacksons at the CNE. My mom was at that Jackson 5 concert at the CNE. It was the Victory Tour. Very massive. It was a

massive event. Unbelievable. And I remember, I was really young, but it stays with you. I remember he brought out the gang from the Beat It video for Beat It. The whole dance, the guy with the glasses, they were all there on stage with him. It was incredible. And I can't believe Billy Ocean

was your first concert at the Kingswood Music Theater. Second row. I saw Lionel Richie. That was back when he was dancing on the ceiling. When he was dancing on the ceiling. So my dad, while he was in my life, was a huge musical influence on me. He was a music lover,

and he used to take us to concerts. That was our thing. And so we got to see all these great shows. Okay, Lionel Richie, you mentioned him. In the video for Hello, the blind woman is making a sculpture of a bust, a man's head. It's supposed to be Lionel Richie.

Yes. I always thought it looked like George Bell. Always. Jorge Bell. Jorge, exactly. George Bell. Always. Jorge Bell. Jorge, exactly. George Bell. Who, by the way, I can play this. Hold on here before we advance here.

Where is my... There's a George Bell clip? Hi, I'm George Bell. You listen to Toronto Mike. Unbelievable. That's the... Oh, and in the background was some... Was that Cameo I heard in the background?

Word Up. Word Up. Oh, my God. I should have had that on my list. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Okay, we're going to do a six-hour episode. We got to kick out another jam here.

Here we go. I mean, this is it right here. Another one of those like the needle drops, and you should smile because this is probably one of the greatest rap songs ever. Yeah, see, Cam Gordon didn't have this on his list because he's a fucking wimp. Ever Yeah see Cam Gordon didn't have this on his list Cause he's a fucking wimp Everybody knows this song

Summer Jam man Holy I'll tell you something interesting about this song Yes please At the point where this song became a Crossover top 40 kind of hit, there wasn't anything like this on the radio. Rap music was very pop, bubblegum, young MC.

Will Smith. You're down with OPP. Very commercial. This was a gangster type of rap song from the guy from NWA, which never had songs on the radio. And boom, ain't nothing but a G thing. Introduced the world to Snoop Dogg. And he blew up because shortly thereafter was the tremendous What's My Name?

And that video, man, when he morphs into the dog. Are you kidding me? Where my daughter at? Yeah. The funny part, if you watch the NWA movie, which is hit and miss, but there's a scene where Snoop Dogg shows up and Dr. Dre's playing this on the piano, which is complete bullshit because this is a sample from 70s soul music. Right. One of the finest samples in a rap song, though, has to be Today Was a Good Day. The sample they put in that for Ice Cube.

I can't get sick of that. Amazing. So when Snoop Dogg was on the Howard Stern Show recently, if you are a Howard Stern fan, which you should be, obviously you're in broadcasting. I emulate him when I have these interviews. So Howard has Snoop Dogg on his show fairly recently.

You need to go out of your way to listen to this. Snoop Dogg, not only Howard goes through this sort of catalog and plays Snoop, Snoop just raps every song and then he tells the story

behind each song but he does impressions of Dr. Dre and Warren G and it's unbelievable. It's Snoop like you've never heard him before and not that Howard Stern needs me to plug him but you should go out of your way to find Warren G. And it's unbelievable. It's Snoop like you've never heard him before. And not that Howard Stern needs me to plug him, but you should go out of your way to find that.

I'm the source. Are you kidding me? Amazing. I have so many. I love this. There's so many places I could go with this. You mentioned Young MC, right? Because that was the kind of rapper we were getting.

And Funky Cole Medina stuff. So let's talk about Funky Cole Medina for a second. And then I have to bring it back to Young MC. Young MC wrote Funky Cole. Young MC wrote Funky Cole. He wrote the Tone Loke songs, Young MC. Both of them? Because there's two big Tone Loke songs.

Yeah, Wild Thing, which is amazing. The Van Halen sample. But Funky Cole Medina is a song that was number one on the chart that was about date rape. Drugging a girl's drink and raping her. That's why Bill Cosby liked it so much. That's what I'm saying. I was going to make that same joke. Oh, shit, sorry.

The other jam that's about date rape that's really popular is Baby It's Cold Outside. Oh, my God. Baby, it's cold outside. Oh, my God. I love these songs, and I love rapping along to them. You just have to kind of go quiet when that N-word is said. Yeah, you're not allowed to do that. No. Just a great song.

And still, to this day, you drop the needle on that song. And I say drop the needle with all due respect to Maestro Fresh West. But that's what you do when you're playing records. Okay, I'm going to bring it back. Okay, ready? Young MC. He produced the soundtrack to Coupe de Ville. Really?

Did you ever see that movie? Yeah, I didn't know that. Louie Louie is a key part of that movie. Of course. Maybe it wasn't a soundtrack. Maybe it was a Louie Lou louis louis 12 inch that he he produced okay and there were different versions of louis louis like there's an instrumental that young mc did and there was a rap version starring a very young and pretty unknown at the time was

just before uh like the symphony in effect dropped but maestro fresh west does the rap on the young mc version of louis louis hunt this down it. I can send it to you if you want. But in this rap by Maestro, he says the word hot damn. He goes, hot damn, crowds of cram, Lou ram the jams. You know, I'm saying, I'm fucking butchering this, but you know, I'm saying it. People said hot damn. He drops hot damn in this rap.

Okay, I hear this in like, I think it was like 89 when I heard this. Okay. And I had the 12 inch Louie Louie rap from Young mc but starring maestro fresh west he says hot damn i've been saying hot damn ever since from that and i just the other day i said hot damn again in a tweet or something and then i had to retweet at it to say uh thanks to maestro for dropping that in the young mc uh louis louis remix but maestro's been here so maestro sat in that seat and I got to chat. And I played him the remix and he hates it. He is so ashamed and embarrassed by this rap that I adore from 1989. I think that your backbone slide

is probably the greatest rap song ever to happen in Canada. And it was just so fucking awesome. But there would be no Drake or anything like that if that never happened. I'm with you, man. DJ Ron Nelson and his fantastic Voyage show on CKLN.

He's been here, DJ Ron Nelson. I went to Roots of the Six a couple of summers ago and it had Mishy Mee, Dream Warriors, and Maestro Fresh West and DJ Ron Nelson. And it was amazing. And again, bringing it full circle, Joel Goldberg was there because he's good friends of Maestro.

Because that's how Maestro got discovered. He was on Electric Circus. And then Stevie B. I love Stevie B. I got your letter from the postman. That should have been one of my 10. Okay, we're going to do 11. I love that song.

Let's just get this third jam going before we go another three hours here. Hold on. Thank you. Tag team, back again. Check it, direct it, let's begin. Party on, party people, let me hear some noise. DC's in the house, jump, jump, rejoice. There's a party over here, a party over there. Wave your hands in the air, shake the derriere. These three words mean you're getting busy. Whoop, that is hit me. Whoop, that is, whoop, that is.

You know, there's something about this song that I really like. It takes me back to like those Blue Jays World Series championship years. Absolutely. That's it. And the sample from that. The Philadelphia series, right? It was a series. It was just this band.

And it's a sample of a great breakdancing record. Kano, I want to say, is the sample. They never had another song again, but this was. And there were two right There was Whoop There it is Yeah which is the 69 boys version And there was Whoop There it is

And I always wondered How can they both be But they were coincidental I was told I was told that they were Coincidentally formed I don't know how that's possible So there's a

I have an answer for you Back then there wasn't the internet So you could If a song You know it was like regional so whoop there it is was blowing up in atlanta then the miami guys would be like well this it hasn't come to miami we can make our own and uh the same thing happened with uh jump you know house of pain had jump around crisscross had jump right same year same and and even though house of pain recorded their first crisscross beat to the punch. Yesterday at this Toronto Mike

listener experience at Great Lakes Brewery, we had a live band, and they called me on stage to fucking solo rap, jump around, and I said, before I did it, I had the mic, and I said, no recording. If I see a cell phone, I'm going to throw it in the garbage.

But someone named James Edgar, who's a frequent commenter, recorded it. I got a comment from him today that he has the video. I think going to throw it in the garbage but someone named James Edgar who's a frequent commenter recorded it I got a comment from him today that he has the video I think he's holding it hostage

but I might release it but this is just last night that I did Jump Around Jump Around is one of the greatest songs

there is I'm actually good friends with DJ Lethal from House of Pain didn't he do shit with Playpers Hill too? yeah and also

Limp Bizkit obviously so he's he's had a few successes. For sure. And Everlast, the rapper from Jump Around. Whitey Ford sings the blues. You know, he's someone I'm very friendly with as well. He had a heart attack, right?

Yeah, he did. Him and, you know, I actually love Jump Around. It's a great song. And still to this day is an anthem. You cannot go to a sporting event without Jump Around. It's a great song. And still to this day, it's an anthem. You cannot go to a sporting event without Jump Around playing. Those guys still get paid off that song 30 years later. Or better yet, a Terminator. Like Arnold Schwarzenegger trying to play me out like this in my name is Sega.

Everybody knows that song. I should have put that in there. Criss Cross Jump, also a great song too. Don't try to compare us to another bad little fad. I'm the Mac and I'm back to give you something you never had. I make you jump, jump, wiggle and shake your rump. I be kicking some flavor

that makes you want to jump. How high? Real high. One of them's dead though. Yeah, one of them passed away. I'll show them to that. But I'll say this, that sample,

okay, so Jump Around, House of Pain, sampled Chubby Checker and Criss Cross, Jump, sampled Jackson 5, which you wouldn't know that because the way that it was produced,

I think Jermaine Dupri produced it, if I could be mistaken, but that... You know, like... That's actually, if you let it play further, it's like... Oh my God, I want you back.

Wow. So that's the sample for... Wow, my mind's exploding right now. And I got to say though, because my daughter who turns 14 next week. She doesn't know whoop-dared is. Here's the thing. Bring her back a bit. Okay.

So I had a very close friend. This is about exactly four years ago at a bit. Okay. I had a very close friend who had esophageal cancer. Okay. He was dying of cancer. He's only 32 years old. This is very sad.

And he's a big Raptor fan, my buddy Mike Kick. And I made arrangements with Ford Canada, because I had a hookup there. They had really good seats for Raptors games, of course, Ford Canada. And I was going to take my buddy Mike Kick to his last Raptors game.

This was happening. And we had really good seats to see the Raptors. Mike wasn't well enough to go to this game. So at the last minute, Mike says that he can't go cause he's, he's dying. A fucking saddest thing ever. And I went to Fort Canada and I said,

cause I said, can I have the tickets to bring my sick friend? And they're like, of course, who can say no to that? And I said, look, he can't make it.

Like I understand if you want to give your tickets to someone else. Cause no sick person is going to this game. And they said, no, you take them and bring, bring somebody else to the game. And that was very nice of Ford Canada. And I took my daughter,

Michelle, and we went to this Raptors game. And the halftime show of this Raptors game was tag team performing. Shut up. There it is. That's amazing. And I told my daughter, I gave her the whole story

of the song and everything and we watched them perform it live as a halftime show. And that's my Tag Team story. That's a great story. I love that story. And Tag Team, back again, they never came back again

after that song. It's true. We only got one song at halftime. I don't even know if there was a B-side to that song. It's true. We only got one song at halftime. I don't even know if there was a B-side to that single, but in my haste to put together a list of ten songs, that one

came to mind, and it could have easily been substituted with any of the other songs that we've just talked about, but definitely another one of those cultural impact type of songs. You're right. All three of the ones, I would say. If I only had a Nirvana song in here, we would really be doing something right.

Love Nirvana. Is there any chance you collected the Rap Tracks compilation CDs? Does this mean anything to you? Rap Tracks, of course, yeah. Okay, so I was big on Rap Tracks, and I got introduced to a lot of really good rap artists that I would later deep dive into properly, but I got introduced to them like through rap tracks

who is your favorite wait wait who is your favorite rapper is a subjective question you see what I'm pointing at right now Public Enemy

there's no no by far my favorite rap artist is Public Enemy right well that's that's a good answer and also like the branding

was you know really amazing too you know it's like a lot of people who don't like the Grateful Dead, but they can appreciate the branding. That's public enemy. Chuck D designed that himself.

And it's funny, the only top 10 single they ever had, Chuck D doesn't rap on it. 9-1-1 is a joke. So He Got Game didn't go top 10? I don't think it was a top 10 song. That is a very fascinating fun fact. But Rakim, who in Toronto we didn't get so much exposure to because we got Public Enemy.

We didn't get the West Coast stuff here. But Rakim, he's not West Coast. Eric B. and Rakim is not West Coast. Not West Coast. I'm fucking up my story here. But Rakim, he was the first guy to me that didn't sound like, ha, ha, ha, ha, a flake, a tiger, a bull, a hater, a badea. Right.

You know, he wasn't one of that. He was like. He's great. He was legit. And the beats were like not, you know, they were legit. And I think that, you know, Rakim was the first guy to really open my eyes to, wait a minute, there's more to rap than the Fat Boys.

This is crazy. And funny. Disorderlies just came up on this podcast recently. But fucking with you on Rakim, absolutely. The other guy, though, who I thought had the smoothest flow, and even today, I'm still kind of jealous. Slick Rick. No, Slick Rick's great, too.

I mean, children's story. Come on, that's for old time end. Lottie Dottie and all that. But no, it is Big Daddy Kane. Of course. And if you're a Maestro Fresh West fan, then he sounds a lot like he's

a fan of Big Daddy Kane. Yeah, you're right. And with Big Daddy, there's a public enemy. So Public Enemy has a song called... Holy shit. Big Daddy smooth words to mother. Let's check out a flick that exploits the color. Running through Hollywood late at night. Red blue lights. What a common sight. Fight the power.

Motherfuckers. Ice Cube. Public Enemy. Chuck D, of course. Ice Cube and Big Daddy Kane. And what the hell is that jam called? It's about many intelligent black men seem to look uncivilized. Burn Hollywood Burn.

Deep cut. Awesome. And it had ice and my mind many intelligent black men seem to look uncivilized when on this. Burn, Hollywood, burn. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I took me a long time to get that fucking title. Deep cut. Awesome. And it had ice, and my mind's like blowing up because Ice Cube is really good in that.

I always liked Ice Cube. And speaking of NWA. He was the writer. He was the writer for NWA. He was, I mean, I even liked his, all his solo stuff, like Predator.

Yeah, Predator's amazing. Death Certificate. Yeah. Unbelievable. Anyway, fucking everywhere. Okay, we gotta keep going. Wicked. Wicked, man, yeah.

One, two, three, you're gonna come with the wicked? I love it. Who's the reggae guy on that? I have no idea. Honestly, that wicked is wicked, man. And then like reggae became sort of like popular again.

Like there was like... I liked it when rap and reggae... And Toronto rappers often did this. I had this chat with DJ Ron Nelson. He said the biggest difference between American rap and Toronto rap was the island influence in Toronto. We brought

reggae elements. We just mentioned Michi B. It's not just Petois Snow there. Even Rumble. Oh, yeah. Holy shit. What was the song? Safe. I hadn't even thought about that song.

I need to pull that up. Daddy Rumble and Seek, hear me now. I won't do my Ireland accent. Rumble. Safe. What was the hook? I can probably pull it up.

Please. I'm begging you to pull up Rumble. Hold on. You pulled up My Pet Monster. Surely pull up Rumble. Hold on. I mean, you pulled up My Pet Monster. Yeah. You can surely pull up Rumble, Safe. I swear to God, I remember. I have not thought about that song.

I played it. When I had Ron Nelson on the show, I played Safe. I love Safe. Safe was great. I'm trying to remember. As long as. Yes, yes. You could save the world.

As long as I live. Yeah, yeah could save the world. As long as I... Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And her name is Margaret Young. Yeah, Margaret Young is her name. Okay, hold on here. Yeah. This is a bonus track. Right.

You could be... You're definitely going to be here when Hebsey gets here. So there's going to be a crossover here. Bear with me again. I have it. Daddy Rumble. Yeah. Oh, there's acting in the beginning of the video.

This is like on Master T's Dance Mix 93. Master T's coming on this show. I just chatted with him. Tony Young. Yeah, he's coming on this show. He used to release those CDs every year. Yeah, the Extend-A-Mix. Yeah, you're right.

Yeah. Oh, shit. See, this was my stuff. I liked this kind of stuff. I love this. And this has a big reggae influence on the rap. And DJ Ronell said that's a Toronto thing. Oh, my God.

Margaret Young or anything. But Rumble didn't become as big as he should. Maestro became pretty big. Dream Warriors were huge. Dream Warriors by definition. As long as my baby's safe at home No follow me I went to a dance

Don't buy chest I lay with this box And my lights steal And drew up a roadblock So I'm just a macho If I take a pair of sexy girls In a skirt I'll ride in them body No people need a boat Oh my god. It's so Island, right? I love it.

And of course he's wearing the Jodeci leather vest with nothing under it. I always like this part too. Cha! Hear me now? That's right, that's me. Baby, she just pushed me from the wall I'm promising me. Everybody did a bubble in the vicinity. But I broke out about

3.30. It was between two rival parties. The most I've ever seen. I just tried to take them out of the party. But then someone followed them and who's it? Everybody! Everybody. Oh, yeah. Pop, pop. Have it to happen.

What a jam, right? I love it. See, they're listing him as MC Rumble. I remember him just as Rumble, but I guess he was MC Rumble. Everybody was MC back then, I guess. Dude, that is a trip, man. I have not even thought about that song. How did we get there?

Oh, yeah, yeah. We were talking about Ron Nelson, right? Because that's the guy. We always talk about Dream Warriors, Maestro, Mishy Mee, but people don't talk about Rumble, who's right in that mix. That was the same scene, man. Choclair was later. Yeah, he's later.

Yes, Choclair was definitely later. And, of course, Cardi comes later. I always think the bridge between Drake and Maestro is Cardinal and Fijano. Oh, Cardinal. I had a chance to work with Cardinal. I did a track with him called, with me and Jamie Kennedy, we did a track with Cardinal because I was trying to, you know, show Toronto some love.

And he's a genius, man. He makes his own. He makes all the tracks. I was trying to show Toronto some love. Good for you. He's a genius, man. He makes all the tracks. He's a real musical guy. It's like a lot of hip-hop guys are not musical like the way he is. No, that's good to hear. And he doesn't do drugs and stuff.

He's a straight edge, as they say. Biff Naked is straight edge, she tells me. She was here, you know, she lives near here now, Biff Naked. Biff Naked. She used to be a Vancouver girl.

She was in the movie The Boys Club, which I was in as well. Get out of here. She's fascinating, actually. Lots of tattoos. She's a stew stone of music, I think.

But can we, let's move on to your next jam here. Oh, yeah. Mobb Deep. You know, I got this from my only song so far in my collection.

This one's from my boy's collection. He loves it. This is one of those rap songs where like, if you know hip hop, you know every word to this, to at least the first verse of this song.

Rest in peace. Of course, you know, younger people would know this from 8 Mile, but I liked this in 95. Like you saying that makes me think of those songs that become like the masses discover a song that's in a movie or something. But you're like, I like that before. Mine I always go to is like Bohemian Rhapsody. Yeah, Wayne's World. I discovered it on Queen's Greatest Hits, which was an album in my dad's collection. I would spin it.

And I was like, to my brothers, I'd be like, you should hear this. This is amazing. And then later, Wayne's World makes it like, and and I'm like I liked it before Wayne's World. Do you remember when Ferris Bueller's Day Off came out and like Twist and Shout like was back on the chart again? Right that's yeah yeah which is a not a Beatles original right that's a Isley Brothers? Yeah. I thought you're gonna go with what's the jam that's you know no it's in Secret of My Success Oh Yeah by Yellow Oh yeah And that was in all the movies

For a while right Yeah That was also in Ferris Bueller Right And it yes It was in all the movies For a while Cool

Anyway so this is just like a You know it's hard to put It's hard to put You know if you grew up In that era of 90 to 95 Rap music where You know it kind of evolved Into this It's hard to put, if you grew up in that era of 90 to 95 rap music where it kind of evolved into this, it's hard to not choose a gangsta or Wu-Tang Clan.

It's hard to pick one. And so this was a controversial choice for me to put Mom T.P. over. I love Wu-Tang Clan and Gangsta and Tribe Called Quest. I love these acts how do you just put one in but I felt like this one would have

the most commercial appeal to I'm with you on everything but I think there's a clear winner in that group which is Tribe Called Quest

yeah well Tribe is the best but you know Wu-Tang still pretty good yeah for sure Tribe Called Quest though

was it Low End Theory that album best cool yeah Still pretty good. Yeah, for sure. Tribe Called Quest, though, was it Low End Theory? That album's cool. Did you see the documentary, the Tribe Called Quest documentary? Of course, of course. That's awesome. Anyway, you don't have to listen to this whole song if you don't want to.

I do want to. Also, I don't truncate songs, but I will tell you about what I still know every word to And I still break into it all the time Is Scenario Here we go Yo

Yo Bo knows this And Bo knows that Busta Rhymes is on that track too Yeah Busta Rhymes got a huge part in that song I love Busta Rhymes He was just in town You know where he opened for Lauryn Hill

Who was Only did 45 minutes and 7 songs And I understand she doesn't own the rights to perform those songs, so she's got to do kind of reincarnations of the songs. I thought that was a... I heard that too, because my wife saw her last time around, and my wife's big complaint was,

I don't recognize the songs, so I'm just education. But you can still perform songs you don't own the rights to. Well, you have to pay... It's like one of those, like, yeah, you can, but she doesn't want to pay. It's like a yeah, you can, but she doesn't want to pay. It's like a fuck you to the label that she doesn't want to play. Oh, I see. If you change it enough, you don't have to pay.

Right. And that's why you hear, you know, when you go to listen, like, if you're looking for a PM Dom song, for example, and you want to get set a drift on every place, they don't have that original version on iTunes. They have some reimagined version. Oh, because Tis True or whatever, what is it? Sandal Ballet. Right. So they don't have that original version on iTunes. They have some reimagined version. Oh, because it is true or whatever.

What is it? Sandal ballet. Right. So they don't want you to do it. So it's like a lot of these artists, like Montel Jordan, has re-recorded This Is How We Do It, et cetera, et cetera. Fascinating. I did not know that. They do re-record so that they don't have to pay the master fee.

Did Vanilla Ice re-record his jam? He didn't have to because his was different. Because his was da re-record his jam? He didn't have to because his was different because his was da-da-da-da-da-da. Ha-ha-ha. That's right. Da-da-da-da-da-da.

That's right. If it wasn't for Vanilla Ice, there would be no Death Row Records. A recent jam kicker, Robbie J, we did a tribute to Martin Streak

on the ninth anniversary of his passing. Okay, so Martin, and he said to me, Robbie J said to me, the greatest duet in the history of music is Under Pressure. I agree with that. But I thought, during the, while we listened, I was said to me, the greatest duet in the history of music is Under Pressure.

I agree with that. But during while we listened, I was trying to think of a better one. I couldn't come up with a better one. The closest I could come up with was the Pogues, the duet Fairytale of New York with Christy McColl. But that's a great song. It's like Under Pressure is like a world. Number two, I hear you.

It's like changing the world. I hear you. It's a thing that crossed over to everybody's ears I hear you and now when that starts up people think you're gonna hear Vanilla Ice right

no not you although I do like Ice Ice Baby I'm not gonna lie I know every word to Ice Ice Baby yeah everybody does and that's the best part about these songs

you know I'm not going for the cool points here I'm going for I'm being real with you man i'm keeping it real real talk let's do one oh this is the shit right here i can just see the video in my mind when i hear this song it's the video because what a video that way this wasn't on willner's list no it wasn't but your next jam he had a different song by the wasn't on Wilner's list No it wasn't But your next jam He had a different song By the same artist On his list

Your next jam Farside She keeps on passing me by This is like when Much music was at It's very best When they would play This type of stuff

MTV wasn't even playing this and much music had the balls to play Farside on heavy rotation. Well, it was, honestly, that video was amazing. Yeah. It's all shot backwards, right?

Oh, no, that's a different video. Which Farside is that? That's Drop. Oh, I'm so sorry. But still, this video was also awesome. Trust me. Oh, man.

Remember Black Sheep, This or That? That should be on this list. Dude, I absolutely love that. That was my kind of... I love that song, Black Sheep. Black Sheep getting played like a Sony Innovator. That song almost should replace this. No, it's all good.

But these are your bands. This is a great fucking song too. And Farside was spelled funny. Yeah. P-H. C-Y. Yeah. Remember those books, Tales from the Farside?

Yes. Of course. They were great. Was it Calvin and Hobbes? Is that part of that? No, that was Jim Waters. Same guy, though? No, I don't think so.

I don't think so. The one I always liked was Herman. Herman. There was a short-lived series, Herman. I remember a series called Inside Herman's Head. Yeah, Herman's Head, of course. And Lisa Simpson was on the show. And Hank Azaria.

Hank Azaria. Oh, yeah, both of them. Both of them, yeah. Those controversial voices. I poo. Also, wasn't Francis, it's not for sale, Francis, wasn't he also in Herman's Head? Maybe. That was a time when, I remember that was a time

of like It's Gary Shanling show. Love that. Or yeah or Married with Children. And Get a Life with Chris Elliott. Chris Elliott.

Yeah. Fox. Yeah. It was different. Early days of Fox. Speaking of King Kong Bundy who starred In Living Color.

Yeah. Of course. In Living Color was where it was at. King Kong Bundy was on Married with Children. Yes. That's where it was going there. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Glow. The Gorgeous, of course. And Living Color was where it was at. King Kong Bunny was on Married With Children. Yes, that's where it was going there. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Glow, the gorgeous ladies of wrestling. I haven't seen it. On Netflix? Yeah, I heard. I mean, it's got What's Her Name from Community and Mad Men. You should watch it. It's really good. The guy...

Okay, so here's my quick story there. On Mad Men, she played the wife of Peter on Mad Men. Did you ever see Mad Men? No. No. The actor who played Peter is a guy named Vincent Kartheiser,

I think his name is. He's married to the daughter from Gilmore Girls. Really? Who's right now starring in The Handmaid's Tale, which is shooting in Toronto. Although they're not shooting right now,

but they were shooting in Toronto. I took my kids to the Science Centre and the guy, Peter from Mad Men, and whatever her name is from Gilmore Girls, were there with their daughter playing at Science Centre. We were there

with them. And my wife asked if she'd get a picture and they said, we don't do photos when we're out with our daughter. And that's cool, of course. But that's my story. So that was like a couple months, a few months ago. You never know

what's going to happen at the Science Center. Oh, seriously. Well, Weird Al Yankovic, whenever he comes down, he plays in the Science Center. Does he? Yeah.

I was once at the Science Center for like a media, I got invited to a media night and I was in the elevator with Dwight Drummond, okay? This is before I ever met him. So Dwight Drummond. Okay, this is before I ever met him. So Dwight Drummond, who's now he's been on the show here. Everybody's

been on the show. Not everyone, but he has. But Dwight Drummond, this is going to blow your mind, okay? I hope you're sitting down. You are sitting down. In the opening of the Let Your Backbone Slide video when they all run up the stairs of the microphones or whatever, one of the guys is Dwight Drummond.

Really? Dwight Drummond's in the Let Your Backbone Slide video. I had no idea. Do you know why? This is a throw down, a show down. Hell no, I can't slow down. It's going to go. You listen to every word I say.

Every verb you heard, I place not to burn a break. You try to cover, hover me a rose. I make the flag, then I run him coast to coast. I'm the most. Don't get me started. That's how it goes. It's like a Tourette's thing. I can't stop.

X's and O's like tic-tac-toe. LTD knows. This ain't a game I'm on a mission. Call me a hip-hop tic-tac-tician. Rap's like a Tourette's thing. I can't stop. X is always like tic-tac-toe. LTD knows. This ain't a game I'm on a mission. Call me a hip-hop tic-tac-tician. Rap is like a slab of clay that's shapeless. Universe without light is light. That's why I always say time to write this. I'm older than my hand before I start chiseling.

Could be a rain, a brainstorm, a chiseling. Sun could be shining. Sun could be showering. Practice makes perfect. I'm powering, flowering. My lyrics are awesome and tune in for a human. I'm blooming and blossoming. could be shining sun could be showering practice makes perfect i'm powering flowering my lyrics are awesome and tune in for human i'm blooming and blossoming blowing away blockades and barricades makes you black and blue from the blast of the blades it's a blood sport blood gives up i make

your vision go blurry while your brain goes back into oblivion beats from rocks and blocks okay anyway dwight drummond that's a great fucking song was working security for electric circus at the time joel goldberg. Joel Goldberg's name has come up so often here. Because I don't know him. Joel Goldberg and Brian Gerstein should be friends. And you're Stu the Jew. And I'm Stu the Jew. See, there's a connection here. Alright, brother. Ready? Yeah.

This jam is by an artist that did another jam that Mike Wilner loves. So let's listen. Oh, yeah. Now listen to this, okay? I want you to know something. Real music lovers who are in the music industry will cite this song as the most perfectly sonically recorded song

from a technical standpoint. Okay. And these guys had something to do with Michael Jackson's Thriller. They had something to do with everything, okay? There's a whole Pandora's Box. Maybe Pretty Young Thing or something? No, they were Michael Jackson's band. Okay, because they wrote a song.

Yeah, so basically this is Toto. Yes. Rosanna. Which was recently covered by Weezer. Really? Yeah. I didn't know that. I just want to get to one part of the song Before I talk over it Okay This part right here is what I like

Yeah And then it goes into this sick This is the bass line on this It's just sick So Basically Like this Back in the day From like you know

77 to like 83 The studio musicians That were playing on almost every record, it was either members of Toto or Kenny Loggins or Michael McDonald. Those were the five, or sorry, the six or seven guys. Toto was actually put together because these studio musicians were like, fuck it, we're playing all these hits. We should just make our own band. And that's, Toto was a super group of all the top shelf studio musicians.

It's like a super group. But if you look on any song that's from that Yacht Rock era, which I love now. I listen to so much Yacht Rock. But you look in the credits, you will find a member of Toto or Kenny Loggins or Michael McDonald on every single song. They were Michael Jackson's backup band. Michael Jackson's, that was his band, was Toto.

I knew from loving Thriller, I knew they wrote some music and played on Thriller. I didn't realize they were... When he toured, Toto. Wow. That's amazing. And I knew you were into Yacht Rock because you went to see Hall & Oates last year. Dude, I fucking...

It all started because I went to see Toto. I went to the Greek Theater in L.A. to see Toto. And I was just blown away by the musicianship. And, you know, I'm a guy who grew up on hip-hop and grunge like you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so this was not in my wheelhouse at all. And I was just like, you know, now that I'm a guy who grew up on hip-hop and grunge like you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so this was not in my wheelhouse at all. And I was just like, now that I'm older,

it's like some things you get, your palate becomes... Like Steely Dan. Exactly. Goat cheese starts to taste good at a certain age. Right. This is just fucking awesome to me. And it was Toto and Michael McDonald was the show that I went to. Wow.

And I was just like, holy shit. And I just just was like this is fucking amazing i want more and so i go to all of those shows you know boss gags and he's the only one i haven't seen yet but all the notes you know he had a great conversation with john donabee who was my guest yesterday. So that, anyways, please get to it. Doobie Brothers, yeah, I love it. Yeah, Gary Wright. Reeling in the ears and all this stuff, yeah. You mentioned Steely Dan. Yeah. Only because when you mentioned, this is like when audio people point to this song.

What's the jam from Steely Dan they all point to that when you're testing your speakers you need to listen to? It's got that name that's, I always forget that name. No, but that's the album, right? Yeah, from that record. What's that jam called? I can pull it up for you. It's on my playlist. No, it's called...

I'm going to get it. I want to get it. Okay, call it up. Ironically, we're playing Toto, and I'm going to a Radiohead concert tonight. So it's a completely opposite spectrum. My brother was there last night at Radiohead. Was he good?

I don't know. I'm going to see him tonight because I'm going to his 40th birthday party tonight. Oh, really? Happy birthday. Woo! So Steve, if you're listening,

there's a happy birthday shout out. Oh, and Africa, of course. It goes without saying. Africa is the jam that Mike Wilner loves. This Is It by Kenny Loggins is something that deserves to be checked out.

I actually wrote you an email because I felt guilty not having it on my list. Deacon's Blues. Deacon's Blues? Is that what it's called? Deacon's Blues? Deacon's something. Christopher Cross also. Oh, yeah.

Sailing. What's the steely dance song that's called Deacon's Blue, I think? I don't think that's the one. I think it is. Maybe I'm wrong. Let me find it for you. I mean, listen to this musicianship that's going on right now.

We just bought a digital piano. And I make requests for my wife to play things, and then she learns how to play them. The big request I made, which I love, is nothing to do with anything but piano, but it's Brick by Ben Folds Five. I love that song. I know.

And when she plays it, it's such a sad song. Peg. Peg. Okay, is that it? Peg. Peg. So how does Deacon's Blues go? That's a different one, obviously, but anyway.

But yeah, so people who are in the music industry cite that song as the most perfectly recorded song, like the mix of it, the drums, the bass, the vocals, the changes, like the B section before the chorus. It gets an A+. A+. So tonight you're going to Radiohead? Yeah.

Well, there you go. Perfect timing. So this is on my list of jams. I love this song. It's so good. And I'm not so from Radiohead. I went to see them with Cam Gordon back in the day. We went to the Pavel.

Which one did you go to? We went to the Pavel. Then we went you go to? We went to the Pavel. We went to the Benz tour. I was at the one at Molson Park. Yeah. What are you talking about? The one with, who was the support on that show?

Not stereophonics. That's something else. Who was the support? When you say it, I'll know it. But I went to the one at Molson Park. It was tremendous to be outside. It was so good. And so when I was in L.A., I got to see them at the Greek Theater, and I went to Molson Park. It was tremendous to be outside and radio. It was so good. And so when I was in L.A., I got to see them

at the Greek Theater and I went to Santa Barbara. I was just following Radiohead around for a period of time. But after the Insomniac or Amnesiac, the Amnesiac album,

I sort of lost touch. So I'm hoping, you know, that they're going to play older stuff. I'm sure the new stuff's great, but I just don't know it. Right.

Like, I used to listen to Radiohead live recordings, you know, the Glastonbury Festival, those shows from 2001, 1998, when OK Computer was already... Like, holy shit. Well, it's funny how it went. For a while, it was like, oh, the definitive album of the 90s was Nevermind. And then as time

went on, it was like, wait a minute, no, it's OK Computer. Well, I still say Nevermind probably beats it. I think musically OK Computer's head and shoulders above the rest, for sure. But Nirvana changed the world. I'm with you on that.

Nirvana changed pop culture in ways that Radiohead never could I love I mean I love love Radiohead but I love Nirvana like

that's a sonically amazing record too that Nevermind album oh it's big because he doubles up everything yeah it's unbelievable how big that record is what's your favorite

my favorite song I think my favorite song on Nevermind I think it's Lithium oh Lithium yeah I was going to say Drain You Maybe yeah there's a lot of great songs on that the whole record is. What's your favorite, my favorite song, I think my favorite song on Nevermind, I think it's Lithium. Oh, Lithium, yeah. I was going to say Drain You Maybe. Yeah, there's a lot

of great songs on that. The whole record is good. But even in that era, you know, Weezer's record, that Blue album, which they were a put-together band. Were they?

You know, it's like Rico Kasich of the Cars. Like, that's his, that's his creation. That's how, you can listen to the Weezer album start to finish.

I love, I love, I love it. I've seen them a bunch of times in concerts but I love Smashing Pumpkins, Pearl Jam, Soundgarden you're in my wheelhouse what a fucking time to be alive I'm a big Tragically Hip guy but my favorite band of all time not called the Tragically Hip is Pearl Jam

I can't get enough Pearl Jam and I see them all the time I used to love the Tragically Hip too I went to one the Tragically Hip too. I went to one of those last shows that they had there. A really emotional thing. Which one did you go to? The one at

their Canada Center. There was three in a row. I went to the middle one. Like the last one. Okay, I was in the middle one. They added that last one late. I wanted to be at the last one and I bought my ticket.

One ticket because I had to go solo because I was going to fall or whatever. And then they added the third show and I ended up being in the middle. But I couldn't go to the last show because I had to go solo because I was going to fall or whatever. And then they added the third show and I ended up being in the middle. But I couldn't go to the

last show because I had a road trip planned to Prince Edward Island and we left that morning. The crazy thing about Tragically Hip is that in Canada they play stadiums. I used to see them in LA. They would play the House of Blues and there was like 20 people there. I went to the Wiltern

to see the Tragically Hip play maybe three or four years ago and on the day of the show there's like 20 people there. I went to the Wiltern to see the Tragically Hit play maybe three, four years ago and on the day of the show we got front row tickets. I hear this. That's amazing, right? It's all Canadians there.

Yeah, I bet. Funny is a friend of Mark Hebscher's who I've become friendly with and chatted on the phone with is Jake Gold who was the owner of the...

You know a lot of Jews. I love Jews. That's my thing. We love you too. And Wilner's a Jew too, right? Of course he is. They're all great. This is such a good song.

They don't make them like this anymore. I'm so glad you picked this song. This is an epic song, dare I say. Apologies to Facebook. So cinematic too. Speaking of Bohemian Rhapsody, there's lots of turns in this one. Yeah, twists and turns.

Like you couldn't play this for a millennial kid and they wouldn't get it. They'd be like, what is this? It's like Band on the Run, right? You don't know what it is and it becomes something else. Or Meatloaf, Bad Out of Hell. Although, Jesus of Suburbia is like that. And that's sort of... I was going to say that's like a recent song, but it's probably not a recent song.

We went from hippopotamus in my bathtub to Radiohead, Paranoid, and Android. All in the same podcast. I hope people don't get scared by the length of this episode and the unknown nature of the name Stu Stone. I hope they stick it get scared by the length of this episode and the unknown nature of the name Stu Stone. I hope they stick it out because I think this is a tremendous romp.

Good time. And we've got three jams to go. Shut your head if you need a bathroom break. I should have picked longer songs. This is a long song, but I love how this song ends. I mean, I'm really proving one thing, that I have a very, my palate is very widespread.

I eat off the kids' menu, I eat off the adult menu. You know, we went from tag team, there it is, to this in the same list. I love it. I love the range. Are you kidding me? And we had a bonus jam from MC Rumble.

Shot here, man, now. God loves his children. This is the shit right here. And it just has like a sudden ending too, which is awesome. Yep. Because the other big much music single from this album Was Karma Police Which has a distortion at the end Which I always like that too

The distortion Sick That's Radiohead You are listening to Sick. That's Radiohead. You are listening to, oh, yeah. The Notorious B.I.G. Now listen, Biggie Smalls is the illest. Now, controversial if you're going to pick one Biggie song to pick this one. But back to our earlier conversation, I felt like this was the one to pick because it's produced by DJ Premier, so it's a way to get gangsta in there too.

Gotcha. They know Big B handling with the Mac in the act or paneling. Bandaging MCs, oxygen they can't breathe. Mad tricks up the sleeve. Wear boxes so my dick can breathe. Breeze through in the Q45 by my side. Miracle high. And those that brushes my clutches get put on crutches. Get smoked like duchess from the master. Hate to blast ya, but I have to.

You see, I smoke a lot. Your life is played out like Kwame. And them fucking polka dots who rock the spot. Biggie, you know how I have to. You see, I smoke a lot. Your life is played out like farm-aid, and them fucking polka dots rock the spot. Biggie, you know how the weed go, unbelievable. Yes. I felt like I was slow to embrace Biggie because I felt allegiance to Tupac

because he was with Digital Underground, and I was a big Digital Underground fan. So I was living in L.A. at the time when Biggie died, and I was a huge Biggie fan. And I was like living in LA at the time when Biggie died and I was a huge Biggie fan and I was like, you know, on the East Coast, West Coast thing, back then I was like taking

the East Coast side all the way. Right. But now, you know, as an adult, you can like look back fondly that both artists, both of them have incredible bodies of work. Tupac may have been maybe the more poetic of the two,

but Biggie to me was the more poetic Of the two But Biggie to me Was the more authentic Of the two In the sense that You know I feel like Tupac Went through like Peaks and valleys

Before he found His groove Whereas Biggie Just kicked down the door Waving the 4-4 Right off the bat He was Unapologetically

Who he is But Puff Daddy Murdered Tupac He put the hit out On Tupac I don the hit out On Tupac I don't know I think it's pretty clear They say Suge did

It's one of those Michael Jackson scenarios Where he's worth more Dead than alive So this is probably Not the most well known Of the Biggie songs You know people would

Probably think You know Biggie Biggie Biggie Can't you see Or I love it when you Call Me Big Papa. That's it. Or It Was All A Dream.

I used to read Word Up Magazine. But like I said, I really felt Gangstar needed to be present on this list. So DJ Premier, one of the greatest producers of any genre, he did this track. So this is the one I had to go with. Your jams are your jams. These are all great selections. This wasn't on Wilner's list.

I think that Biggie would have liked Great Lakes Brewery, by the way. Great Lakes Brewery, by the way. The next jam, we've been talking a lot about this band, actually, Smashing Pumpkins, and you've taken massive radio hit, but this is from Siamese. I regret not picking.

I really wanted to pick Drown, and I think I missed, that's what I was going to go with. And for some reason... But I'm okay with this. If you want. I mean, I just have that MP3. But we'll do this one because...

I'm okay with it. Yeah, it's a good change of pace from... It's like a sweet ditty. Premiere doing his thing. This is like one of those ones too, right? It's like you just know where you were. Takes me right back. Yeah, I'm going to say.

It takes me right back. I can visualize this music video. Oh, yeah? I feel like Smashing Pumpkins are an underappreciated slice of that grunge era and I think it's because live they don't sound like the record I was disappointed in them live

and I think that's why that is because Pearl Jam sounds just explosive live and even Oasis, those bands, they were all really good live but Smashing Pumpkins, I don't know whether I just think because they just didn't get along off the stage, that their chemistry didn't exist on the stage.

Well, Darcy Retsky hasn't spoken to Billy Corgan in like 20 years. Right. Although the rest seem to be back. It's that original line of Minus Her. I'm going to go to the show. Don't get me wrong. I'm still mad because they did a big farewell tour I went to, and I saw them at Molson Park again.

And I was so disappointed because not only was there no encore, which for a headliner, the no encore thing really bugs me, but they changed their songs just enough to make me wish. I just was pissed off at the... I hate when people do that. Billy didn't seem to give a shit about the... I think, though, this time was pissed off at the, Billy didn't seem to give a shit about it. I think though this time he's coming with the hits.

This tour, he wants to send the fans home happy. But this is just a really good, you know, and this is, the interesting part about a song like this is that it came a massive radio hit in a grunge era where, you know, a ballad from a grunge band could be just as accepted as,

you know, sort of like how Metallica has, you know, what do you call that? Nothing Else Matters? Yeah, one of those. When I was there, you would often get a sweet little ballad from Stone Temple Pilots, right? And it would be like, yeah, like Big could, Big Empty or something like that. You know what I mean?

Or Guns N' Roses, like had some ballads. But this one, you know, with the strings and the, it's just a really nice song. You know what I always felt

this reminded me of? I love this song and I love this album, but I, way earlier, like in 87, I loved the In Excess album, Kicks.

Yeah. And I had that on cassette. And this reminds me... Never Tears Apart. Right. Well, not Never Tears Apart. Never Tears Apart is the... Your quote, it's that quote, Never Tears Apart? You're right, Never Tears Apart.

Yeah, that's the one. And that was like a ballady, kind of a sweet little... Fucking great song. At one point, that was in the opening scene of Donnie Darko. The original version, Never Tears Apart, in excess of the song. And now it's like an Echo and the Bunnymen song, I think, in the new version.

That's a great fucking song, too. What's the Joy Division song that has a similar title? Love Will Tear Us Apart? I think that's also in... That band I like. I mean, that became New Order, right? That sounds like a Cam Gordon special. So Love Will Tear Us Apart is Joy Division.

Never Tear Us Apart is the great... In Excess. So real quick, Michael Hutchence did a movie just before he died called Gimp or Limp? Limp. Limp? It was directed by Dwayne LaVold. Dwayne LaVold, who lives in Manhattan now, he was better known as Custom,

and he had a big hit called Hey Mister. Do you remember Hey Mister? No. Maybe if you played it, I would know. Hey Mister, I really want your daughter or something. Oh, shit. That's okay. My tablet. We're going to run blind here for a minute here,

but that's okay. We only have one jam left. You ready for your final jam? Yeah. I'm curious. I don't even... Anyways, I'm friends with Custom, and he sends me all his unreleased stuff,

which is all genius, and I spin it all the time, but I'm not allowed to share it, and that's my Dwayne LaVolde Custom story. But here is Stu's final jam. Yes. That's a good way to end it Doobie Brothers What a Fool Believes

Now here's an interesting thing That your listeners don't know Tell me This is a cover Of a Kenny Loggins song Kenny Loggins originally All comes back to Yacht Rock Right of course

So they covered this Kenny Loggins song Since then This Loggins originally. All comes back to Yacht Rock, right? Of course. So they covered this Kenny Loggins song. Since then, this song has been covered by Aretha Franklin, the Pointer Sisters. It's like one of those songs. You know how like Prince songs keep getting covered and covered and covered? Sure. Like the Chaka Khan, I Feel For You, that was a Prince song and Sinead O'Connor.

I feel like A&Rs back then, if they really liked a song, they didn't give up on it. They were like, fuck, I really love this. Let's try it again. Let's try it again. And this was like Henny Loggins' song that wasn't a huge hit.

And somehow or another, he gifted it to these guys. And that's Michael McDonald singing, right? Yeah, of course. Wow. It's like a Robbie Dupree song that sounds exactly like this, too. Another great song.

Yeah, you're playing above your ears, right? Because this would be a song I would expect from, like, I don't know, a 55-year-old guy sitting there is going to spin this one. That's what I'm saying. It's like I started getting into the yacht rock, and so I'd rather listen to this than rap music. Very nice. You remember Much Music VJ Christopher Ward?

Sounds familiar. He's like the first VJ. Is he living at your house too? No, he's not living at my house. I think he's in California. But prior to becoming a Much Music VJ, he had a very short-lived Cam Con Yacht Rock career.

Yeah, Christopher Ward. It's like no one knows this, but yeah, some radio, some Yacht Rock Canadian radio hits. I think if I ever were to come back again, if you would have me,

I would like to do a Canadian list of 10 songs. I want to have like Lawrence Gowan and Pure and Sloan. Lawrence Gowan of Styx? Yeah. Isn't that wild? If anybody can do Styx though, it's Lawrence Gowan. Do you know

that Gord Depp from Spoons is now a guitarist in Faka Seagulls? Really? And yeah, Gowan's great because when you see Sticks now, you get a few Gowan songs too. He'll play Criminal Mind. Doesn't he like Desire? Yeah, for sure.

I love that song. I like that one. I like the video for Criminal Mind. I like just the song Criminal. I mean, just like that. All I ever have. Just the piano riff. I remember learning that on the piano.

And also there was Strange Animal. You're a strange animal. Are you kidding me? Then he had like a comeback. You know, remember when like Alanis was out with Jagged Little Pill? Lawrence Gowan had a song where he was no longer Gowan. He was Lawrence Gowan. I don't remember the name of the song, but I remember it being like a mild hit.

I remember this very well, yeah. You're right. They changed their name just slightly to rebrand or whatever. Alanis was, she was Alanis, and then she changed it to Alanis Morissette. And then Gowan was like, well, fuck it, I'm going to do it too. Andis was, she was Alanis and then she changed into Alanis Morissette and then Gowan was like, well, fuck it, I'm going to do it too and he was Lawrence Gowan.

Never too hot, never too cold. Take a bad shot, too hot, too cold. The wise man has the power. So, basically, intelligence trumps toughness according to Michael McDonald.

Brains over brawn. Brains over brawn. Brains over brawn. The wise man has the power. Stu Stone, I didn't know what to expect. This Stu Stone, he's in Donnie... Donnie Brosco. I was in Donnie Brosco. You were in Donnie Brosco with Johnny Depp.

I was going to say, yeah, of course, you were in Donnie Darko, and you're in the Magic School Bus, and you're in My Pet Monster. And you have this amazing documentary, which I can't wait to see. I'll send it to you. Don't forget to send it to me. But, I mean, honestly, you have to come back. I'd like to, yeah. Matt, maybe you and Cam should come in together.

That would be fun. That would be frenetic. Yeah, I would like that very much. That's why I bought a third microphone, just in case that could ever happen. Well, the ball's in Cam's court because, you know, he's a very busy man

and I know that I'm very busy too, but, you know, you try to invite him anywhere and it's next to impossible. He's either on television or he's like, you know,

having sex with somebody somewhere. He's going to love this episode. And yeah, I am going to make that happen. I'm going to get you

and Cam back here and we're going to do an episode. Thanks so much, buddy. Hey, this was great. And's going to love this episode. And yeah, I am going to make that happen. I'm going to get you and Cam back here and we're going to do an episode. Thanks so much, buddy. Hey, this is great. And by the way,

perfect timing. It's now 221. You're going to meet Mark Hebbs here. Holy shit. Bucket lists. Are you on Twitter? I am.

Stu Stone and Instagram, Stu Stone, Facebook, everywhere, Stu Stone. Jack of all trades, I really want to plug

on the Super Channel, but on Instagram, we have a Jack of all trades Instagram page where we post yeah yeah please on the super channel but on Instagram we have a Jack of all trades Instagram page where we post old school baseball cards daily oh my god

and you would love it if you're what is it Jack of all trades Jack of all trades doc okay is the Instagram I'm going to

totally follow that you should it's really a trip down memory lane and thank you for having me and you know if it wasn't for Cam, I wouldn't be here.

And I'm going to do my best to set you up with Alison Court. Thank you so much. Oh, I'll love you forever if you do that. And that brings us to the end of our 359th show. You said it was going to be a good one. It might have been the best. You can follow me on Twitter.

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Yeah, I wonder who