Toronto Mike'd: The Official Toronto Mike Podcast - Supriya Dwivedi: Toronto Mike'd Podcast Episode 1696

Episode Date: May 20, 2025

In this 1696th episode of Toronto Mike'd, Mike chats with Supriya Dwivedi about why she chose law school over medical school, how she ended up co-hosting the morning show on AM 640 with Matt Gurney and then Mike Stafford, why she quit, what she was doing for Justin Trudeau and more. Toronto Mike'd is proudly brought to you by Great Lakes Brewery, Palma Pasta, Ridley Funeral Home, Toronto Maple Leafs Baseball, Yes We Are Open, Nick Ainis and RecycleMyElectronics.ca. If you would like to support the show, we do have partner opportunities available. Please email Toronto Mike at [e-mail]

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Hi. Nice to see you again, because we actually have met before. Do you remember our first encounter? Our very first encounter? Our one and only. Yeah, I mean it was just a few weeks ago, was it not? A few weeks ago. Okay, so I was biking to the sound garage on Geary because I was gonna see Change of Heart. Shout out to Ian Blurton. And I saw like in the corner of my eyes, I'm going up the street, I see Bruce Arthur. Okay?

Yeah. Yeah. So I see Bruce and I'm like, I saw like pull over to chat up Bruce who I haven't seen in a while, but he's been down here. And then I see this woman and I'm like, I knew he were right away, but we have never actually met. And I'm like, Oh, there's Supriya Dwabeti. And we did a quick exchange.

And then who else was there? Dave Bedini was there. That was the West and Phoenix HQ and next thing you know what you're in the basement. Yeah, that's exactly my memory as well Basically both Bruce and Dave told me I'd be moronic not to do this and you know, I've invited you in the past Yeah, do you have any memory of this? I do vaguely It would have been when I had either I was still either on AM 640 or I had just just left. But you gave me what I call the the polite decline like it was a respectful polite no thank you. I yeah I mean that sounds

like me I'm I'm generally polite I was raised well so if I'm being approached with politeness I will. Okay but so is it just you didn't you weren't in the mood for this and then you were pestered by a badini and Arthur and here you are well I mean in fairness I have also in my view lived a whole other lifetime since you probably would have last reached out to me so I feel like there's just more to talk about all right we're gonna crack open our Great Lakes beer because we're gonna get into all of it but on the mic Supriya three two Oh my goodness, okay cheers to you cheers So you're drinking the lager the premium lager. How is it? How was that for a sip? It's very good

Goes down smooth. Okay. I'm like a non beer drinker beer drinker. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, that's me Yeah, I don't like a real hoppy kind of beer. So this is very smooth. Very light lager. Yeah now I do I am drinking an IPA but it's the the summer it's called the Sunnyside session IPA and I drink it all summer because it's It goes down smooth. It's delicious and I could pop a couple of these and I won't be like slurring my speech So shout out to Great Lakes Brewery. I'm actually recording an episode of between two fermenters on their patio Tomorrow afternoon, so that's not a Toronto mic'd episode, but I'll be there tomorrow and maybe I'll bring home some sunny side session IPA You're going to take home with you, Sapriya. Maybe this

is why Bruce Arthur and everybody said you should do the show. You're going to take home some fresh craft beer from Great Lakes. Yeah. That was one of the major selling points. I'm not going to lie. And I just quick little like for the listenership and then we're going to get into it. My daughter is at McGill University. She did take her last exam already but she's still hanging around Montreal like she loves it so much. I think I'm gonna lose her to Montreal but we'll get to that in a moment. Just for the listeners like I'm trying to track down the gong that is can be found. This gong was apparently performed by Gilmore from Triumph and it was produced by Bob Wiseman and we found

this out via Ian Blurden. Even though Ian has no memory of where the gong is, I got a lead yesterday on Instagram that the gong, it's on a song called Give It Back. So I thought it was on a different song, but we think we found the gong. So I'm just letting the listenership know there will be like a little micumentary on the gong and that's a pretty good lead. Supriya, I know you're interested. Where is that gong on change of heart smile? That's the only thing I've been thinking about this whole time.

That's why you're here. All right. So let's, I mean, I loved what you wrote. It's like, this is something you wrote, but is it true? I'm sure it's true. You wrote it, but you were accepted into both medical and law school at McGill. I, yeah. So I wasn't actually, I didn't apply to med school or law school at McGill. My

undergrad was done at McGill and my father is an anesthesiologist who did pre-med and then, you know, med school residency, the whole shebang at McGill. And I don't know if you know anything, Mike, about... Oh, just stop the sentence right there. I don't know anything. know if you know anything, Mike, about. Oh, just stop the sentence right there. Yeah, I don't know anything. If you if you have any friends who are South Asian or perhaps East Asian,

there's one profession, particularly if your parents are also of that profession. And that's the only thing you can do. So all I was told my entire life was that I had to go to med school. So, you know, I was in science and McGill for my undergrad. I wrote the MCAT. I applied to med schools but there was something about it that just didn't really sit right with me and so for my application for Université de Montréal I was allowed to put a second

choice for free and it was law and I got into law school at Université de Montréal and I went to law school instead of going to med school. Your accent is impeccable. Yeah. I know this from having bilingual children. That's a very good accent. And I think it's wild that perhaps your act of rebellion against your parents was to go to law school. Like, think about that. Oh, yeah. I had to call my older sister who is in New York and I was like, you have to come home because I'm going to tell dad that I'm not going to med school. And she was like, Oh crap, I'll clear my schedule and make sure I'm home. So to make sure she was there to tell him with me. And I told him in a restaurant that was going to be busy. Yeah. He still openly sobbed as though I told him I was going

to not go to med school to sell drugs on the corner of the street. No, no, no joke is usually it's like, Dad, I'm not going to med school. I'm going to become a stand up comic. I'm going to, I'm going to become a musician. And then those tears are like, Oh, I'll never get her off the payroll. Like this is, this is the worst thing I've ever heard. But basically it's wild to me that you going to law school instead of medical school would cause your dad to cry. Oh yeah. It was a big thing. So you're suggesting this is a cultural thing? I think part of it is perhaps a Davidi culture. And some of it is, you know, just general doctors,

the only thing that garners, I don't know, the kind of oomph, I think, for a certain segment of immigrant parent. So you became a lawyer? I went to law school. I didn't actually end up practicing. What I did was the very feminist thing. As soon as I was done law school, I moved to Toronto for a boy with no job and no prospects.

We ended up married, so it's a happy ending, I guess, sort of, in that respect anyway. And then I started doing radio here. I started doing 1010 stuff. I started doing more media, eventually AM 640 on the chorus side of things. And then I that's what I decided I wanted to do because in law school, I started writing political opinion pieces and started doing more and more talk radio. And that's just where I had the most fun. So you hit my radar in November 2016. I was late to the Supriya game.

So this is when you take over for John Oakley on AM640, the morning show and currently that spot is occupied by Greg Brady who stepped away for a little bit to run to become MP and then did not win and then is now back And we'll get to all this am 640 stuff at a moment But as I'm like preparing I'm seeing that of course, there's a Supriya in the public eye Before you're hosting the am 640 morning show So like I'm gonna try to like fill in some of these cracks because I'm late to the game here But you mentioned so you mentioned you were on 10 10. So are you just like,

smart lawyer person to offer a perspective on the topic of the day? I think I'm just a bit of a smart assy kind of person to offer. I love smart on the topic of the day. Because I had started hosting my own show on CJD 800 in Montreal. Bell, you know, the sister station here would have been 1010. So it was just honestly, that's. So how did you get that? Like you're just a, you're well spoken, smart person. Let's give her a show. I think so. I think that's kind of what it takes. That's what happened. Um, I, my very first opinion piece was because there was a guy that was in my criminal law class who told me nobody cared about my opinion on sexual assault as a woman because I was too emotional about it. So I took that as a challenge and I wrote an op-ed for the Montreal Gazette, which then

caught the attention of the producer for the nine to noon show. He asked if I'd come on to talk about it. As I was leaving for that one hit, I ran into the station manager and he was like, Oh, that was really good. He's like, you know, we do like a noon free for all. If we pair you up with somebody, would you was that something you'd be interested in? And I was like, yeah, for sure. Let's do it. So I started doing more and more stuff and it just kind of led to my own show

with Dan Delmar at the time. OK, cool. So but again,, you left for Toronto for a boy. I did, yeah. And then you're doing, you mentioned 1010, but so is it because you were already affiliated with the Montreal Bell Media Station that you could slide right in and become like a contributor to 1010?

Yeah, cause like John Moore used to do a lot of CJD 800 stuff as well still back in the day and I think that was my first foray into it. Oh, so you had a relationship with John and then he's like come on our program here the mighty Moore in the morning on 1010. Yep, that's it and that's when I would have been working at Crestview at the time as a like GR communications consultant and then it was when I was in my role at Crestview that I was approached by somebody at Chorus basically saying they needed to retool the entirety of their programming, but really focusing on the morning show.

Robert Leonard Okay. And that's 2016. Amanda Leigh That would have been, yeah, that would have been early 2016. Robert Leonard Okay. Fascinating. So on our way to 2016 here, so Yeah, that would have been early 2016. Okay, fascinating. So on our way to 2016 here, so I want to ask you about the 2014 mayoral race. So this is the one for those who don't remember, this is one where Rob was running to be reelected, Rob Ford, then he became sick. And Doug Ford took his spot. Remember the old switcheroo? Right. Then what a time in Toronto, like just to cover politics and stuff, the whole Rob Ford 2010 election win, and then heading into 2014 with the old switcheroo. Kind of wild.

Super wild. And what was so interesting is that I was new to Toronto. I was fully immersed in all of the madness that was municipal politics right off the bat because you couldn't not be in not just even in media and news you couldn't be in the city without kind of getting caught up into some of that. So what year did you come here? It would have been so I officially moved in the summer of 2013 like late summer it would have been August. August 2013 okay and how do, so to wrap up that, so you got Doug Ford, Rob Ford, the switcheroo.

So Doug is running, John Tory is running. He will eventually win this election. Olivia Chow is running. She's our current mayor. See how it all connects? But David Soknacki is running. How do you come to become a campaign spokesman for David? So I had somebody approach me from the sucknacky campaign and I had somebody approach me from a much higher profile

Campaign, I won't say which campaign Can I guess yeah, I mean you can guess all you want but and it just When I asked both of these people, why does your person or why does your candidate think they can run, the Socknacky answer was a literal, the person pulled out a notebook and gave me like a four bullet points of reasons

that were written down with like a bunch of sub bullets underneath and I was like, oh man, that's a nerd. That's my guy. That's who I want. I want to help, you know, make this. And I say that in the loving in the most loving way. No, he's a nerd. Yeah, you know, like somebody who's like a nerd about policy, who was really going to at that time tackle issues of transit and just like little things like why aren't lights timed on university, you know, like why, why? Why does that happen?

And little things like that that I thought could materially improve conditions in the city. And had you ever, you know, worked with a politician before? I had door knocked here and there, but I had never worked in the role of like a formal press secretary and then later, you know, decon role.

Okay, so we have, I mentioned the big three, I suppose, but how did David do in this election? We dropped out before E-Day. Yeah, so we didn't make it past the finish line. I think it was quite clear as we were edging closer and closer to Labor Day, that it just, you know, it wasn't going to happen. There are a few things that we thought would fall into place that didn't end up falling into place. It was quite difficult also to make any noise in a media environment where, you know, David Blaine shows up to City Hall and it kind of screws up all announcements for the rest of the week.

Yeah, like what a time to be. I feel like we're still paying for the fact that Doug Ford lost that election. I'm Ontario definitely to a degree. Yeah, it's all very Shakespearean. Yeah, my goodness. Okay, so Well, and we'll along the way we'll touch on a little what it will see what you'll say But you're you with the law schools, so I know you'll be you'll be Careful with your replies, but in 2014, what did you learn?

So what does Supriya learn and talking about you like you're in the third person. What does Supriya learn? Having worked with David on that campaign in 2014 You can't always rely on earned media. Sometimes you have to make your own media. And when I say earned media, I mean like not in the traditional sense. So as a candidate who's looking to make noise or to looking to break through the noise, showing up with a good plan and to make an announcement when ostensibly you'd have like the City Hall gallery there to, you know, write their stories

and file them. Right. Um, it didn't make sense in that particular environment. And it certainly doesn't make sense in this fractured information environment where everything's fueled by algorithms and clicks and eyeballs. So it, you have to be more creative. You got to get your message directly out to voters one way or another. Is that social media?

Yeah, I think it's social media. It's the way we interact with one another on these large platforms. It's also, you know, quite frankly, now the way Google search works, it's it's quite crappy. So it's not just social media. I'd say it's a lot of these like larger big

tech players. Fascinating. So David drops out before the election and it's the big three anyways. And I feel like the order of finish was well, John Tory wins and I feel like Doug Ford finished second and Olivia Chell finished third. Yep. As I recall, it's tough to cut through that noise too, right? Like that was that was a tough hill to climb for David because those are three huge names. Huge names. you know in Ford's sense obviously anything a Ford does makes news and then in Tori's sense as well like he had spent so many years on the

radio and like getting to know folks and uh right so it was yeah it was difficult. But in many ways it's you know we're gonna get you to 640 in a moment but in many ways it is 640 that makes don't oh sorry let's get these right That makes Rob Ford like it's the John Oakley show that kind of creates this character who would come on his show and talk about, oh, this counselor, let on who we pick on Adam Vaughn or something. Adam Vaughn bought an espresso machine for $330 and it's the taxpayers are paying for it it and he would kind of go off on that and that kind of populist sentiment. I feel like Rob Ford was made by AM640.

100% and I would say even when I was still on air on AM640, anytime the bottom line would ring, we would call it the Doug line because we knew Doug was calling in to the show. My board op would be like, Doug line's running and so they would just have the direct call into the show. Who boardop would be like, Doug, line's running. And so they would just have the direct, you know, call into the show. Who was your boardop?

Do you remember? Dave Spraguella. Okay. I just like the Shaggy Dave. I know this guy because I know Pete Kick. And I feel like Pete Kick is buds with Shaggy Dave. So, and I feel like this name I've heard, Brother Bill. I do this thing on Blue Sky.

You're not very active on Blue Sky. No, I'm not. What are your thoughts on Blue Sky? I think it brother bill. I do this thing on blue sky. You're not very active on blue sky No, what are your thoughts on blue sky? I think it's fine. I think it's for a bunch of Twitter refugees, I guess hundred percent for the most part, but it's like it's still it's not the vibe of Twitter Everything is but you can't go home again. I mean we're all looking for like, I don't know 2009 Twitter Yeah, yeah, I think that's right and this doesn't quite do it But I mean there are fewer overt Nazis on there. So that's a win. That, I think that's right. And this doesn't quite do it. But I mean, there are fewer over Nazis on there. So that's a win. That's a big that's a big win for me. But anyway, I do this thing, right? I go who is on Toronto mic'd on this day in history. So for example, today I go in, I searched my RSS for the date, and then I pulled them

out. Like Leo Roudens came over the night, no, the morning after the double overtime win in game three against the Bucs of the 2019 Raptors playoff no, the morning after the double overtime win in game three against the Bucs of the 2019 Raptors playoff run, which might be the most significant victory in that run, which we of course win the championship. So oh yeah, that happened. And then I just saw brother Bill was made his Toronto Mike debut on this day in like 2020 or something like that. And I feel like brother Bill would talk about Shaggy Dave.

Is that the name you call him? Yeah. And in fairness, Dave keeps a shaved head. Like the reason why I think why they called him Shaggy is because he started as an intern and in his initial like badge, you know, his chorus badge to get in and out of the building, like the security badge. He had very Shaggy hair and for whatever reason, the name just stuck. Cause sometimes you do encounter like a very skinny person and people like we'll call them fats.

Like an ironic nickname, right? Or the opposite sometimes. Okay, so shout out to Shaggy Dave if he's listening. And hello to Pete Kick. Pete, I miss your brother. I'm just gonna put that out there. I miss your brother. Okay.

So tell me, and by the I wait just as a supriya as I get to know you better pre six 40, I find it interesting that you only arrive here in this city in August, 2013, but you really make an impact off the top like off the bat, like you're contributing to the Toronto sun, right? Yeah. Toronto sun, I CBC. Yeah. 10 10 with John Moore there. Yeah. You're working with David Sucnacki on the Mayoral Race of 2014. And then how do you get paired with FOTM Matt Gurney? FOTM means Friend of Toronto Mike. You're now an FOTM, Supriya.

Oh, fun. So welcome to club. That means you're going to leave here with a lasagna. It's in my freezer right now, sent over by Palma Pasta. Do you enjoy Italian food? I love it. Love meself a a lasagna. It's in my freezer right now sent over by Palma Pasta. Do you enjoy Italian food? I love it. Love myself a good lasagna. It's going to pair nicely with your Great Lakes beer there. So you're going to go home with that because you're an FOTM. So how do you end up paired with Matt Gurney to take

over for John Oakley, who is going to move from mornings on AM 640 to the afternoon drive. So Gurney and I actually first would have crossed paths on CJD 800 on those free for alls. I think what had happened was he was doing a lot of the 1010 stuff and was looking to get you know just more airtime under his belt and so I think it was probably John Moore although don't you know we can confirm that with either Gurney or John. But who had said oh why don't you like reach out to CJD folks and you know, we can confirm that with either Gurney or John. OK. But who had said, oh, why don't you like reach out to the C.J.D. folks and, you know, and they'd paired Matt and I together. And from there we became friends.

And then I moved here and then we had beers, you know, in real life. And we were, you know, just got along quite well, irrespective of our different political leanings. And he's very conservative. Yeah. I think he's like, I don't, I wouldn't call him, I would call him like a very traditional kind of dyed in the wool blue Tory from like, you know, the nineties, early two thousands type. Um, and when I was approached by chorus about this, like revamp of the morning show, they had asked

me if I had any co-hosts in mind. And they asked Gurney the same thing, unbeknownst to both of us that they had asked us the same question. Wow. And we both answered each other. It's like the dating game. Yeah. And because we had both answered each other, Nathan Smith, who would have been the station manager at the time, was like, well, first of all, like that, like check, check plus the fact that you both mentioned each other. And then we did, you know, like a dry run or whatever, where they have you

come into the studio chemistry test. Yeah, it was kind of like a fake show. So they had like a, you know, where they do like a just an expedited 30 minute like what would be for us to do banter and, you know, throw to traffic and whatever else and We did well

Evidently and well you pass the audition. Yeah, and then they were like, okay Lennon would say do you guys want to do this and I think the answer for both of us was hell Yeah, we want to do this and gurney at the time best known for his work at the National Post. Mm-hmm. Yeah Okay, go find Matt gurney in the Toronto Mike Dark Hives for the ongoing history of Matt Gurney. Great chat in there. Do we remember, I can't remember, did John Oakley decide he wanted to work afternoons? Like, why was he leaving the morning show? Because he had been there since, he replaced Humble and Fred. Yeah.

And the fun fact there is that I, today I produced the Humble and Fred show. So they're, we're all connected here, Sapri, as well, I'm telling you. But was it John Oakley who decided he wanted to sleep in? Is that what happened there? I'm honestly not sure. I don't know if I would have been privy to any of those conversations. I just got the end result, which was chorus management coming to me and Matt. Right. And this is when you rebrand. I'm trying to remember my ongoing history of AM 640, but you rebrand to Global News Radio at around this time, right? Yeah, because I think the chorus had just bought out Shaw. Is that it?

Or they'd merged or Shaw had merged with chorus or something. So they were trying to do this like brand refresh, not just from like the actual content, but just, you know, we were calling ourselves and that was the first iteration. And then it kind of turned into Toronto 640 at some point did it not? Oh it's had many monikers over the years here absolutely uh the one I just call it as AM 640 like I don't worry about what the heck they've added on to this these this uh I mean that's the dial that's the main thing you know yeah well then you know because let's face it AM talk radio the bulk of listenership, you may tell me

I'm very wrong here, but I believe it is people in traffic. Yes, that is correct. Therefore, you need to know where to find it on your radio dial. Yeah. Okay. So AM640. Now, we're going to get you a new co-host in a moment, another FOTM, but how did it go with you and Matt Gurney?

I think you guys were paired together for, I don't know, at least a year and a half. Yeah. I mean, I think it went well. Gurney and I, we, um, we got along quite well. Uh, we, you know, they bake in these like ratings targets or whatever that you have to hit, um, throughout and Gurney and I, we matched and surpassed all of them. So from a, you know, that's good. Yeah, exactly. So from an objective perspective, I think that worked. And then I think what they wanted to do about a year and a half or almost two years in, I think what had happened was Stafford

had filled in for Gurney a few times, just, you know, if Gurney was sick or what whatever, and the station manager and the powers that be were like, whoa, her and Staff sound really good together. And they made the switch. So they moved Matt out of mornings and he got like a 9 a.m. to noon. Yeah, I mean, him and Stafford essentially did the switcheroo.

We were talking before about Doug and Rob, so him and Staff just did that where Staff came to mornings, and then Gurney went to nine to noon. All right, full does, I don't even know if I need to disclose this. These are all FOTMs I'm disclosing already, but I have a soft spot for Mike Stafford.

Do I need to disclose that? No, I don't think so, we all do, yeah. Okay, we all do. So, again, for you 640 heads out there, Gurney moves to nine a.m., Stafford's like by the way I had Stafford over While he was doing these morning show Fillers overs the fillings so before he got the gig and I asked him straight out because every radio person I talked to their Goal is to get a morning show like this is the holy grail of radio is to get the morning shot slot

Maybe that's because it's the most lucrative or maybe none of the slots are lucrative anymore. Maybe the money has left the building there. But that's what Aaron Davis told me. She's like, well, the money is left. So, you know, unless you're Marilyn Dennis or something like that, or maybe John Moore is doing okay. But okay, so we have Mike Stafford moving into the mornings, but when he came over doing the fill ins, I asked him straight out, like, do you want the morning show? And he said, no way, no how is he getting up at that time of day? Like he just said no chance. And then I think he threw in a caveat, like, well, everything has a price, like he throws in this caveat. So if they throw enough cash at him, he might set his alarm for an early morning. But what was it like co-hosting

that morning show with Mike Stafford? I mean it was great. It was just like constant laughs all the time and folks that would have listened to us at the time would have known that we had a number of jokes just between us and but you know Shaggy Dave operating the board HP who was our you know Heather who's the producer would come in and chime in right here fun fact Story, I think you know this but Heather now works for Brad Bradford. Yeah, except that Brad Bradford I just booked him as a guest on the Nick Ienies podcast, which I mentioned in the intro which is called building Toronto skylines, so Shout out to Nick Ienies who stepped up to help fuel the real talk over here. He's a sponsor of

this program and the listenership should know Brad Bradford and Nick Aines toe to toe. We're going to record Friday. I'll drop it at some point Friday, but subscribe to his awesome podcast, building Toronto's skyline. Make sure Heather gets one of those beers or whatever. Well, she came here with Brad when he was over earlier this year, and I'm pretty sure I sent her home. I just look at her very much. Yeah. She seems lovely.

Okay. Yeah. So with staff, it was just, I don't know, it was, it was fun. It was seamless. Um, in, you know, the lead up to, uh, me leaving, I also, you know, I become pregnant. I give birth. I go on mat leave. I take a brief pause from Matleve to come back in

for the 2019 election because Global had asked me to do election night and to do a bunch of stuff for them, like writing columns and whatever. So I did that. But essentially, for a good chunk of. Twenty nineteen, I'm not around because I'm, you know, with a baby.

Okay. So obviously we're going to talk about why you leave chorus. But while you're, I believe so, there's a couple of Stafford infractions that have been discussed in great detail with Mike Stafford himself, who drops by once in a while. And he was most recently in this basement in February of this year. So you can hear Mike Stafford only a few months ago talking about what's going on with him and his life and everything that's in the the Toronto Mike archive. But one of these infractions happens after you leave. But there's one where he went on Twitter and he was talking about a wait at a hospital. And he talked about a wait at a hospital and he talked about a poo.

I was also not there for that. I think I was on mat leave. I was only told about it after the fact. And then the other infraction happened when I was like fully unplugged and it was nobody from the station had told me anything. It was actually text messages from Adrian Batra, you know, who was a friend of mine and a regular guest on the on the show at the time to be like, yo, you know, who was a friend of mine and a regular guest on the show at the time to be like, yo, you might want to check in with someone because I don't

know what's going down, but I don't I'm hearing it's not good. So the first infraction was these tweets. And I think Stafford was obviously not dismissed. Yeah. And he was joking. And if anybody knows Stafford can read them in his voice where he knows where, like, you know, they're whatever station management's decision was to not have anyone address it. My suggestion was, you know, he's making a joke about a poo. I mean, I am fucking Indian, like for crying out loud. So like, sorry for the swear. You can swear. OK.

This isn't six forty. Yeah, yeah. And so it's like, why don't we just have an open, honest conversation about it? About like, you know, why he tweeted what what he did, right? What the intent was. And as somebody I wasn't going to I wasn't going to be there as a representation of all brown people to be like, I absolve you white man But just to have an honest conversation I think we do a disservice to everyone involved if we don't address things head-on and sometimes

It's okay to be a little bit uncomfortable and then it's okay to have these Imperfect folks that represent us online or you know on the radio Whatever as long as you, whatever, as long as you see growth and as long as somebody's heart is in the right place, I think it's fine to make mistakes. I think your instincts are spot on. It's you're 100% right. Like I think that would be a compelling to hear an open I mean, really, because of nature

abhors a vacuum and 640 just pretends it doesn't happen. It all happens in this basement. Okay, seriously, it's like I got to get Stafford over and find out what did he mean by this and what would happen because the result, the public result, if you will, was that the Mike Stafford Twitter account was deleted. Yeah, like he deleted his Twitter account. I don't think this was ever referenced on 640, but of course we did talk about it in this basement for sure. But so that, you know, I don't know, he got a slap on the wrist and was told, be careful. And he

deleted his Twitter account, but you were not there. We're going to talk about why you leave in a moment. But when you heard about his, uh, he used the peace lure, uh, the peace lure in a, do you want me to say it? You can say it. Packy, right. It was in a, a team's chat, I guess, internally with the station, with the chorus there. And next thing you know it, it's screen capped. I think Canada Land wrote a piece about it, I think. But yeah, what, like, you don't have to absolve him because you're Indian, as you said. But what did you think when your friend Mike Stafford

posted the piece there? So again, nobody from the station had reached out. I hear about this, and I don't think it was team. I think it was like, whatever. We had this weird production. Anyway, whatever, the equivalent of teams, whatever. So on teams, this is said, Adrian messages me, and I'm like, okay, what's going on?

She's your source for all things Stafford. Yeah, exactly. All Stafford slip ups. So I then start texting producers that I know would be in the know and we would have been privy to, you know, what was going back and forth. And I get those screen grabs and I go, okay.

So what was actually said, and I don't have, I don't remember verbatim the exact phrasing, but Staff again was making a joke. Stafford was making a joke. Right. Basically implying, and I believe this was about the Premier, it was about Doug Ford. It was 100%, he was saying what Doug Ford would call it.

Would want to say, or how he would stop himself from saying something using the P word as a slur that gets posted in the chat. It's screen grabbed. It gets sent around. Again, nobody tells me anything except for Adrian who fills me in afterwards. I call staff. I'm like, why the fuck did you, why did you do that? And he was like, I don't know. He's like, but I was, I was, I thought it was like, oh, I thought it was funny. And I was like, yeah, man, like, I see it. I see where you're trying to go

with this. Okay, I have to quote just so we're not like trying to guess here. But yeah, so this internal teams comment was, and I quote, I had $5 at home that he'd slip and call it the P word. He didn't write, he wrote the P word, but P word variant. I don't even why I'm scared. Like, I'm not scared but I feel like I shouldn't say that word like it would trigger somebody for like a white guy to say that word. I mean it's not my it's fine. Okay so I had the same problem with the F slur with Scott Thompson was over and I was you know he's got there's a skit I got it called the running faggot like this is a skit on kids in the hall but it's like I don't someone doesn't want to

hear a white guy sorry not a white guy for that one, but a straight guy. Say that. Okay. I had $5 at home that he'd slip and call it the packy variant. So this is a COVID 100% about COVID, 100% about COVID. And I see knowing, knowing Stafford as well as I do, I a hundred percent get the joke. He's going for, he's very smart. He's a very smart guy. He was on Jeopardy, you know? And he's really clever. He's a great talk show host. And like I said, I root for the man and I have a soft spot for him.

But it's, I think we're living in an age and I'm thinking of Wendy Mesley now who in an internal conversation used the N word because it was the title of something she was referencing. But she didn't say N word, she said the N word. And that was like the, she was shortly thereafter but she didn't say N-word, she said the N-word. And that was like, she was shortly thereafter, no longer at CBC. But I feel like we used to think context was everything.

And I think we were wrong in 2025 at least, the content trumps the context. Like it doesn't matter why you're using the P variant, and it is a funny, clever joke that Stafford's making here on an internal teams chat, but just the fact that a white guy spelled out the peace lure, that's enough. Now, if someone screen caps that and sends it to HR, he will be let go after 25 years of service with zero severance. So I would also say, had he done that in isolation,

I don't think things get screen grabbed and passed around and dealt with in the way that it did. I think had the previous infraction not happened with the tweet referencing a poo. It doesn't. It goes away with a slap on the wrist. He goes to some, you know, HR mandated whatever and Sensitivity training. Yeah, and that sort of ends there And I also think it probably mattered at the time that I mean The executive producer of the station wasn't a Stafford fan. And so I think that probably played into a lot of it. Is it again, possible we don't know anything. So possibly somebody may have wanted Stafford out in that this was a pass the gun over to

chorus. Yeah, I look maybe again, like I was, you know, tapped out of dealing with a small baby in the middle of COVID. So I wasn't necessarily plugged into all of the, you know, inter-office sort of politics that were folks that would have been gunning for the job at the time. But I think, yeah, I don't think it was handled, you know, totally right. And I think it's unfortunate the way things played out the way they did. So when Stafford came over the first time after being dismissed, it was like, I can't

remember how much time you have to file like a grievance. Yeah, I forget what the time is. Is it one year or two years? I can't remember. Whatever it is, we were almost there and he starts talking about it. And Lorne Honickman, of all people, listened to Toronto Mike and heard this story. And Lorne got a lawyer to work on contingency because Stafford's problem is he doesn't have any upfront money.

And that is still active. So that's on February, we got that update from Stafford, which is that Chorus is dragging this, Slow's molasses here, because this is years now, but Stafford, which is that chorus is dragging this slows molasses here because this is years now But Stafford's still trying to get some severance that he believes is owed to him from that dismissal Keep fighting the good fight That's a triumph song. Is it? I don't know The gold comes back to Gilmore and that frickin gong by the way, what are your thoughts on appu? Can I ask you I'm a huge Simpsons fan and I get why he's no longer voiced by Hank Azaria,

but they deleted him from the program. You don't hear his voice on The Simpsons anymore. So I don't think I've watched an episode of The Simpsons for the last like 20 years. Now I'm a huge fan of seasons like three to eight. Okay, like they were in like, my husband and I worked a Simpsons quote both into our wedding vows. Stafford and I again, anybody who would listen to the show we would have referenced it constantly. My thoughts on Apu are that his accent is bad.

Hank Azaria's accent is objectively bad in terms of an Indian accent and that's I think more offensive than anything else in the year twenty twenty five or whatever it was, he was canned. I don't think it's terrible to have a white character voice, a brown character. But I think for folks that would have been, you know, annoyed at the fact that it was a very stereotypically poorly done accent. I think that is where the sort of crux of it sort of like, you know Me and Andrew Lawton actually went back and forth on a poo

when he was filling in for Stafford and he would come into the Toronto studio and we did a Little thing on and I said, you know, again, I don't remember exactly what I said, but it was some version of exactly this Do you think they could recast a poo with a Actor of South Asian descent that then carry on with this character that was really beloved? I thought Appu was a very likable, important character. I mean, sure. But this, like, I don't know.

Do you watch Simpson still? So I have a nine-year-old who watches on Disney Plus. I have seen seasons, like I've seen episodes from this current season. So yes, but I don't watch it the same way. It's not these three to eight that you're talking about. So I used to buy the DVD seasons and I stopped after 10. So I got to... I have till 10 too because I bought nine and ten out of loyalty and that's yeah. But I drew the line of ten but in real time I think I got a few... I don't know your age but I think I might have a

few years but real time when I was recording every Sunday night at 8 I was recording a VHS. The episode that really made me feel like they had lost their way and were done was the episode where Lisa and Bart face each other in a hockey game. So, but now, now because my daughter watches on Disney Plus, I'm revisiting and all that season six. OK, no, they go. They're pretty damn good through like 15, 16, 17. Simpsons are strong almost still season 20 The current episodes are really different like they're not as funny that they don't have the number of jokes per episode ratio They had back in those glory days those Conan O'Brien years on it

That's like the monorail and all and the shorts while their episodes for yes. Yeah, he's a god now But now they do more defunct things. Like they'll do an episode where they mimic like an anime style and they'll do these like stunty episodes, which are kind of interesting to consume. They're just not as funny, but they're kind of neat. But they're just, they don't do the same. How many jokes are there in like this, the snake whack wacky episode, right? Like go count the jokes in the Homer goes to college episode.

Like if the jokes per the Homer goes to college episode. Like the jokes per minute ratio, nothing higher. Those glory Simpson seasons. Yeah. Okay. But Apu, so it's a, it's a bad accent. Now, one thing I will say, one of the big Apu episodes are when, what's the actress name? Woods. Who's the act? Not almost call them Jeff woods, who's our former q 107 radio personality, James Woods. Okay, so James Woods was getting a movie role where he played a convenience store worker. So to get in that role, he takes a poo and then to get up whose job back because he got caught on that camera in the big hat. Remember this camera, the big hat, he picked

a hot dog off the floor, and he put it back and sold it and he got fired. So they had to go to India and climb a mountain to speak to the head of the quickie mart. Like to me, this is like casual, mild racism against South Asian people that like this pilgrimage to meet the bearded guru who is the head of the quickie mart to get up who is job back. So I feel like there were some trouble spots maybe from the 90s where anything seemed to go. But I do miss the character because he was a key member of Springfield that we love seeing. So in a current episode of the Simpsons, they walk into the Quickie Mart who greets them. No, there's no there's no Quickie Mart.

They just wrote it out. They just wrote it out. Like they instead of because they Hibbert itself. Dr. Hibbert was a white guy playing a black character. Yeah. And they recast it. So there's still Hibbert. The voice is a little different, but it's a black actor now.

Apu for whatever reason, deleted. There's no Apu anymore. That is odd. Yeah, they didn't recast it. They just sort of said, we're not going to bother with Apu anymore. I mean, I guess because current watchers don't even know who he is anymore. Maybe that's it. I feel like with Disney Plus, even the current watchers are going back to here to see the glory days, right?

Like, I feel like my nine year old can quote episodes from season four. Okay, that's impressive. Yeah, she's incredible with her IQ, her Simpsons IQ. Yeah. Yeah, she's quite something actually. All right, okay, my goodness, we have to get you out of chorus. Supriya, this is amazing, but we'll hear it from you.

So I'm not gonna read what of course I read at the time, but I believe it was November 20, 20. You announced on the air you were leaving the show. Why did you leave? Chorus. So let's rewind a little bit. Green, I start in 2016, right? Yeah, our.

First show, second show, it was like time to the US election. OK, so Gurney and I walk in and we keep getting these weird emails about why aren't we talking about John Podesta and pizza? Why aren't we talking about Hillary Clinton and pizza? Why aren't we? Why aren't we talking about the Democrats connection to pedophilia and pizza. Why aren't we? Why aren't we talking about the Democrats connection to pedophilia and pizza? We're like, what the fuck is all these emails? So bizarre. We would later find out, of course, that they were referencing pizza gate, which

is where it this guy went to a pizza parlor in DC under the, you know, under the guise of there being children there, held by high-ranking Democrats in the basement of this pizzeria that didn't have a basement, he shows up. It's like the Alamo. Yeah, he shows up armed, you know, full with guns, is arrested, whatever, and there in, since then, Pizzagate has become like, you know, a well-known conspiracy theory. Is that like a QAnon thing? Sort of. I think that like a QAnon thing?

Sort of. I think that's where QAnon kind of molded into you afterwards. Yeah. And so that was the first iteration, but it was very clear for both Gurney and I, and then eventually Stafford and I, not there was just a bunch of demonstrably false stuff that was being said on the station. And in a Canadian context, a few examples of this would be, there was a motion to condemn Islamophobia, a very anodized motion, not nothing super controversial. Again, a motion, not a bill,

but hosts on the station as well as contributors on the station were, you know, kept calling it a bill and kept saying it was going to criminalize any criticism of Islam, which is bonkers crazy, okay? Right. And there's a bunch of examples like this, like the UN Global Compact on Migration is another one, which again, a very anodized, multilateral document that's signed by a bunch of countries ends up being described on air as, you know, a commitment that Canada would no longer control its borders and our, you know, our immigration targets were going

to be set by a global government in the U at the UN. And, you know, we now know and Politico has reported on this extensively that it, that iteration of that conspiracy theory started out on like neo-nazi message boards in Western Europe and kind of evolved to that. So there are a bunch of these points where whenever it was in the news cycle about like you know Muslims, immigrants, indigenous folks, you know, Black Lives Matter later on, even Pride. My personal hate mail would spike, and that's fine. I have a tough skin, I have a thick skin. You can come at me all you want.

There were a few moments throughout my time at AM640 where it would have been a little bit more, you know, quite frankly, scary. Gurney used to have to walk me in and out of the building for about a two week period. There was another period where my husband was away for work and wasn't because he would drive. When things would get really rough, he would drive me in, watch me walk into the building and then pick me up, watch me walk out. And he wasn't going to be there.

So Nathan, the station manager, got me taxi chits to make sure that I wasn't going to be going in and out of the garage by myself at that time, because there was a real worry. Like, you know, you were receiving threats. Yeah, like very detailed rape and death threats. So we're not talking like, you know, shut the fuck up, you dumb cunt. Like it's like, shut the fuck up. I'm going to rape you with four other men in the chorus garage At 430 in the morning because we know when you pull in it's empty

So like very specific And this is what I think folks don't tend to realize is that it's not mean tweets. It's not mean comments It's it's a specific thread and I know how to Differentiate between the two like I used to have on my desktop And I know how to differentiate between the two. Like I used to have on my desktop, it would go threats. It was a folder on my desktop. And then it would go rape as one and then death as the other. And then threats would be like generic, no actionable item where it's just like, you know, again,

you deserve to be raped. That's not a threat. That's saying I deserve to be raped. Sure, fine. But that's not like in terms of legality and in terms of, you know, what I can action on that, I can't action anything on that. So this happened a bunch of times I went to station management, a bunch I went to and gurney went to them and Stafford went to them both of both co has had my back 100% throughout all

of it. station management for whatever reason didn't take any of what many of us had said super seriously. I think they thought they were, but materially, nothing had really or substantively changed. And then fast forward to I come back from that leave, and I get a very particular gross threat targeting my then infant daughter, talking about how a raping that would affect her would mean a much bloodier vagina than anybody who was of age. It's horrible. And I received that right. Cause you log into the morning show. And again, this is during COVID.

So I'm doing the more I'm doing it from home. Greg Brady is in studio with Shaggy Dave as the board up. Heather and I both working remotely. And we would all converge onto this Google Doc in the morning at like 430 in the morning to go over topics and whatever. And Heather, so I opened my inbox, it was sent to me overnight, and I wasn't responding on the Google Doc. So Heather texts me and she's like, Are you okay? And I'm like, Yeah, I just need a minute. Tell Dave, I need 30 seconds to pad me before we go. Because I just I needed to

collect myself like I couldn't I like I was I had these words and I was like what like what the fuck am I even reading? So they padded me everything was good. I did the show I finished the show I go into my bedroom and I I Just I cried because I was like this is this is really messed up. I tell my husband and he's like Okay, you know like any man like and I say this with love again, is like, well, let's let me read it. Like, are you sure it was it was maybe, you know, just because they invoked her, it was like, is more, you know, emotional for you, whatever.

He reads it and he's like, Oh, no, fuck, there's no there's no gray area there. That is 100% a rape threat against her infant daughter. And I was like, Okay, I'm done. I was like, Are you okay if I quit? And I don't bring in that sweet, sweet morning show money anymore or whatever else. And he was like, do you have to do like, this is not, you shouldn't have to do this,

especially after you've given them, you know, four or five, six formal complaints about this, all logged, all logged with HR. And that's when I decided I was going to leave because I didn't want to be in a situation. It's one thing if I have to look over my shoulder when I'm at the grocery store or when I'm at a bar or out or whatever, it was a completely different thing to me

to consider walking my daughter in her stroller or like pushing her on a swing and always having to look over my shoulder if there was somebody there or like what was happening. No, I completely get that. But the latter is also unacceptable, right? Like even if you were childless, like the fact that you know, I know. Yeah, yeah. I'm so I have questions. Yeah.

All right. You filed a complaint with the Canadian Human Rights Commission. I did, yeah. So what happened with that? Like I often hear about from media people like Jennifer Valentine, for example, or geez, Mike, young woman who was a weather woman at CP24 whose name will come to me in a moment. But I do hear about occasionally about Canadian Human Rights Commission's complaints that are filed by media people like yourself, like whatever happened to that? So I withdrew my complaint because of course, and I settled amicably outside of the official court tribunal commission system.

Okay. All right. And I'm going to read just something you said. So because you, you did make a comment on air, right? When you were leaving, right? So when you let you announced on the air, why you were leaving. Okay. So you said, I can no longer be part of an ecosystem that tolerates and in some cases actively sows division and discord. As a female racialized journalist, I have been subject to rape threats against me and my 17 month old daughter and absolutely abhorrent statements from members of the public when

I attempt to counter and correct the misinformation and false narratives promoted by other hosts and guests on the station. So I think that part's interesting where it's not just misinformed listeners that are writing you these horrific emails, but you feel- No, it was driven by the folks on air that like had control of the mics, 100%. They don't chat, like if somebody brought up

some QAnon thing about Muslims that you knew was false, they wouldn't be challenged by these on-air hosts. They might even be not maybe even just tolerated, even encouraged possibly. Well, yeah, I mean, that's how Matt and I found ourselves in Pizzagate situation was because they were tolerated and laughed about and not challenged by the former folks that would have been occupying those mics and it became it honestly became a bit of a pattern where once we would check our

emails in the morning, we would know what had been talked about in the late afternoon to the to the evening, dependent on what we were getting hit with. So when you receive a specific threat, do you also, did you consider going to the police? I went to the police many times as I got to know many, many, many times. The police, unless something is uttered to you in person. And again, this may have changed. Hopefully it has changed. Um, but in those days, if it was communicated electronically, it wasn't taken seriously. And then it was just like, well, what do you

want us to do about it? I once had somebody call me on my personal cell phone with a number not blocked, telling me they were going to kill me. And Toronto police was like, well, what do you want us to do about it? And I was like, I don't know. I have their number. Why don't you call them back? Um, and it was like, to, well, I don't know what we would say. And it's just like, okay, fine. So towards the end, and that's why Gurney had to be the one to walk me in and out because he was like, you know, it's like, I want you to be safe and I want to ensure that you're safe. So I'm going to do it myself because I don't trust buildings, you know, whatever

management was doing. And at the time, the lackluster response from TPS. Like this is disappointing on several fronts, Supriya, like like how management handled it. The fact there are, you know, colleagues of yours that will receive these false narratives about refugees, for example, or, or other groups and don't challenge it. And the fact that police don't do anything either, like you're sort of left to your own devices, like no wonder you quit. Yeah, look, I think, yeah, and I mean, I don't think I think police may take online threats a touch more seriously. I would like to think management knows what to do a little bit better. But I mean, if you're thinking about like false narratives or whatever that are that are put on air, I think it's only gotten worse since I don't

think it's gotten any better. And I think whatever, you know, window dressing, AM 640 was going to put on of a smart radio instead of dashboard pounding radio, which is how it was sold to me. Right. They have completely abandoned. I don't know if there's a single non-white hosts on any of chorus's networks, maybe out, I know out West they do on CKNW, but aside from that, I'm not sure in any major drive show.

I not sure what the producers look like anymore that are producing the show, but I can tell you I were I you know heard from at least three different producers at AM 640 since I left all complaining to me about the exact same thing. It's honestly super disappointing to hear this and quick aside here is that I often would read about this alternate reality that some people were living in right? But I didn't actually know anyone in person. Although in the last couple of weeks I've spent a lot of time with snow. Okay, the guy you and former yeah and Super likeable guy. Yeah, like just Charismatic look like I spent my my wife and kids were

hanging with him on Sunday at Christie Pitts. I'm going to get back to that in a moment. But like, I'm really I really like being around him and talking to him. But once in a while, he'll give you some insight into this alternate reality that he believes. And it is startling when you realize, oh, I mean, this this person believes in in this alternate like the moon landing being fake or something like that. Or more like, you know, Trump breaking up these pedophile rings and all this stuff. And it's like, oh, like, you know, you can't really like reason with them or whatever. You sort of just have to kind of smile and nod and change the topic or whatever. It's kind of disturbing to be quite honest.

Yeah. And I think it's extra disturbing once you realize that you, we have these very large, powerful tech companies that don't care if your friends and family or even yourself are being trapped into these rabbit holes because the algorithms are optimized for engagement. And guess what engages people? Yeah. Not happy things, not good things, rage. Right. Yeah. Right, so it's like that quote from The Wire, like the only way you cannot lose is if you do not play.

It's like, okay. So, oh, I told Snow, I said, Snow, you should watch The Wire. It's my favorite show of all time. So I just tell everyone they should watch The Wire. That's what I do. And Snow's like, I live The Wire. So there you go.

Okay, so you leave, Stafford remains. And snow's like, I live the wire. So there you go. Okay. So you leave Stafford remains. So this, this, this you departing was November, 2020 when you made that, uh, that announcement it's, I'm sorry for you that you had to go through that. Uh, no staff had already left at that point. I think it was that right. Cause I have staff hanging around till June, 2021. So my timeline is that you make that announcement, you're leaving in November 2020.

Stafford stays on, but he has rotating guest hosts. Oh, that's, but wasn't Greg in? Not yet. Like, no, Greg doesn't come in until Stafford is fired by chorus for using that racial slur in that company group chat. So there is a half a year, let's say, where Stafford is the morning show host. I know you would know you were there,

but I also did, I am the official documentarian of the ongoing history of the Toronto radio scene. So I believe there's a half a year where you're gone from chorus, because you leave, but Stafford is still the morning show host because it's June 2021 when Stafford is fired for that racial slur that P slur there you go and it was twice so just for the timelines for anyone paying attention on my last show they had Stafford call in well he broke his neck right like so I feel that's what it was okay that's what I heard

well yes of course because I was like why was Greg the one on air then with me? Yeah, Greg was doing a lot of filling Greg Brady. Okay, you're right. You're right. Sorry, sorry. No, no, that's that's what my listen, this is somebody's got to give a shit about what's going on. Yeah, yeah. It's left. I know. But it's my life. I should. Yeah. Yeah. So Stafford definitely is he's not fired till June, 2021. He's been over a couple of times. Maybe. Yeah. He's been over three times since then. I will say the Mike Stafford visits are very, um, highly consumed, very popular episodes because it's the only chance you get to find out what's going on with Mike Stafford. And I think a

lot of people who listen to Stafford on 640 really care about the man because he's a great broadcaster and you know, you mentioned Simpsons. We talked about Simpsons earlier. I would be on like a, back when I had a commute, I haven't had one in a long time, but I used to hear Stafford do like Simpsons trivia afternoons on 640. And I was like, let's go.

Like this is what I'm looking for. So a lot of people miss and love Stafford, but yeah, he lasts until June, 2021. Okay, so when you leave chorus, we're gonna find out what you've been up to, but may I give you another gift? Since you are blessing me with your presence, even though you politely turned me down years ago,

here you are. And so who do I thank for this? Is it Bruce Arthur who said you should do it? Like, well, whose opinion mattered so much you said, fuck it, I'll go to his basement? I mean, I think both Bruce and Dave were like, you gotta go. So, and it was on the spot.

So I was like, yeah, sure, I'll do it. Yeah, what a random happening. Like I was just on my way, I was on my way to meet Cam Gordon and Tyler Campbell for a pre change of heart beer and There there you all were and yeah All good guests of Toronto Mike to actually love talking to Badini to who's a big Leafs fan. Are you Leafs in? I grew up in Montreal. What do you think that I don't think your Leafs fan then?

Okay, well, at least we got a couple rounds in Okay, so we won't talk about the hockey Leafs. It's all very disappointing on that front. But I just want to let you know, Supriya, I don't know what neighborhood you call home. Right now it's Oakville, but ideally not for too long. That's not, okay, well, Oakville, well, where's your ideal landing place in the city, like neighborhood-wise?

I mean, I plan on going back to like Danforth. So that's where my husband and I were before we moved to Oakville. And I'm planning on moving. Going back to like Danforth. So that's where my husband and I were before we moved to Oakville. And I'm planning on moving. Going back to the Danforth. Yeah. Now, there is excellent caliber baseball at Christie Pits this summer. And the tickets cost you zero dollars and zero cents. OK, this is like really great value.

I was there all day Sunday for the game and it's high caliber ball. It was a great day. You get to fill the hill at Christie Pitts you can drink beer without being you can drink beer in the park amazing this is the history Supriya the history of Toronto Maple Leafs baseball the Maple Leafs play at Christie Pitts they have a Japanese woman who has made a couple of starts her name is Ayami Sato first time a woman has played against professional men in the country of Canada. And that's been a fun story.

She had a great first outing and a not so great second outing. So hopefully she bounces back for her third start. But yeah, making a lot of trips to the pits this summer to check out Toronto Maple Leafs baseball. And you could join me, Supriya. No, I will. Now that I have a book. You got it. You can hang out with me and the snowman. The official ambassador of Toronto Maple Leafs baseball. I have a measuring tape for you, Supriya.

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It doesn't really count because you weren't in control of your destiny. No, I was there with my dad. He was there for some medical something or other. So it was just like, you know. So I'll quickly shout out to the most recent episode. Al sat down with Grant Frew, who is the bar and marketing manager

at Bushwacker Brew Pub in Regina, Saskatchewan. And Grant recounted his unique, well, Bushwacker's unique German beer inspired roots and how it evolved to become a staple in Regina's brewing culture. And last but not least, before we find out what happens to Supriya Dwebedi post 640? I would like you to know about a website, recyclemyelectronics.ca. And if you, Supriya, have any old cables, old devices, old laptops, old electronics, I don't know, you're in a drawer.

I have a ton. Hey. Yeah. Listen, I got the answer. If you go to recyclemyelectronics.ca, you put in your postal code and they'll say, hey, drop it off here to be properly recycled so the chemicals do not end up in our landfill. Got it, Supriya?

You got it. Okay. So what happens to Supriya Duavetti? And I will say this just as a side. I enjoy saying your name. Like I find it like a pleasant syllables to put together. You know what? Rhymes with, Du Devetti rhymes with spaghetti.

And I love spaghetti. Yeah. But only if it's from Palma pasta. Some like lasagna, others like spaghetti. Garfield. And everyone loves Supriya. Did you call it the Garfield? Oh, I spoke over your grade.

You know what? I'll clean it up in post. I'll get AI to get on that. We'll talk about AI in a minute. Okay. So my goodness, I know you worked with Justin Trudeau. Is that possible? Like, what do you tell us in the order of things?

What happens to you when you leave chorus? Like you have a young child, like when do you get back to work and what are you doing? So I leave chorus towards the end of 2020 as you've noted, and I start getting, you know, folks that want to have a coffee or whatever to talk about what I'm doing next. And I had a reach out from the Chief of Staff to the Prime Minister asking if I would be interested in coming on. And at the time I was sort of interested, but it was also Christmas and I, you know, had been spent the last four years waking up at like three thirty in the morning or whatever to go to work. I was going to ask you what time you were waking up for that gig.

Yeah, three thirty. It wasn't great. It was a three thirty. Yeah, there's a three thirty. It's a bedtime. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. And bad for your health. Like terrible. It's actually terrible for your health. Like waking up in the middle of the night in terms of like your heart health, your cardiac health. It's bad. Is the compensation enough for you? You're so bright. Here,

I'm gonna pat you on the back of it. You're so bright. And you've you know, you went to law school, you're well spoke, but you're interesting. Well, there's a lot of eggheads out there who are like large like paint dry or whatever, but you're interesting You've got spunk, you know, like it's interesting to listen to your takes and spins on things. It's always intelligent. It's entertaining You could do so much in so many places Why go on an am talk radio station where you have to wake up at 330 in the morning? Because honestly, there's no bigger privilege than being let in to folks is space.

Like to be to talk into a mic and to have other people listen to what you have to say is just the biggest privilege in the world. And I wouldn't give that up for anything. Let let like the one thing that I would give it up for is threats against my daughter. But you could start. I was fine with the threats against me. Well, you could start a podcast. Yeah, I could. But you're like, no, like terrestrial radio, that's where... Well, it's not just terrestrial radio.

I mean, sure, I could start a podcast, but I mean, you know, to build it up into whatever, I could do that. And you know, Stafford's looking for a co-host for a podcast. This is an active thing. I'm just putting that out into the universe there. Okay. Yeah. So have you had any contact with Stafford since he was let go from Korris? We would have had a couple of phone conversations, but nothing recent.

No. He may have messaged me. You know what? He probably, he almost certainly messaged me after my husband passed. Well, my condolences, I was going to get to that. That's the worst. Yeah. But to be very honest, I there was just so many messages coming in at the time and I was in my own fugue state. So yeah. So anyway, let's just go on to what I did once chorus ended. Yeah. So chorus ends. I, you know, have

the P I've the prime minister's office approach me. I don't end up going with the PMO at that time. Uh, and I ended up working for enterprise, which is again, another like public affairs, government relations, strategic communications and advertising firm. Um, I have a great time working with them, but in the happening in parallel is because of, you know, I have a great time working with them, but in the happening in parallel is because of, I made a little bit of noise as I was exiting chorus in terms of the impact disinformation has on our society and how it can actually quite materially impact journalists that are on the receiving end of view,

the polarization driven hate. And I end up on this panel with Professor Taylor Owen. He's the director of the Center for Media Technology and Democracy at McGill University. And after we finish this panel, Taylor comes to me and he's like, so there are very few people that have had your lived experience and there are even fewer people that can talk about this in, you know, in like an intelligent way without it being to your point eggheady. Right. Like you're able to break it down and talk about it in normal terms and in regular parlance. And he was like, would you be interested in something working with the center?

And I was like, yeah, sure, fine, come to me in a bit. Like, let's see. He comes to me in a bit, and I start working for McGill, you know, Center for Media Technology and Democracy, as their policy director. And that's when I really got steeped in the world of just how beholden society is to these giant big tech algorithms and how much of our world is just shaped by it, how much of

our reality is shaped by it, and how much the information ecosystem is just completely broken and fractured. And so if you are on a certain media diet or a certain algorithmic diet, I should say, your version of reality is going to be very different than my version of reality. And I don't know what to tell you, Mike, but if two people have very different versions of reality, you can't really make for a cohesive society, right? And there are all sorts of very real impacts that it has on capital D democracy. So as I'm working on all this and I'm working on algorithms and figuring out,

you know, the best way to sort of present to government a good way to go about it, where you're preserving free speech, but also ensuring that there's accountability for big tech. My husband gets sick. So in January of 2023, he is diagnosed with stage four lung cancer. Anoop was 40 years old. He had never smoked a day in his life. And very quickly after, shortly after him being diagnosed, I saw in real time how his algorithms were switched from here's a recipe for a green juice that'll help curb your chemotherapy and douche nausea to here's

a crystal that can help cure your cancer and for folks that have cared for somebody that has stage 4 cancer they will know that once it's gone to your brain the person isn't cognitively all there. And it became, you know, towards the last few months, it was a constant sticking point between him and I and, you know, between well-intentioned family and friends who had also been trapped by the algorithm coming to me for all these things. And it was, it was tough. It was hard. Obviously I'm dealing with losing the love of my life at a very young age with a young daughter.

But then that on top of it was really eye-opening because I had always known about it from like an academic sense. But to see my very smart engineer of a husband get sucked into this, I was like, oh wow, this is really quite something. And the PM had called me, PM Trudeau had called me a couple of weeks after Anoop's funeral. And he said, I'm really sorry to hear about Anoop. I'm you're going through a lot. I know you and Katie, Katie was chief of staff, have had these conversations in the past. I want you to know that this isn't about that.

I'm just calling to check in on you. At whatever pace, at whatever time, there will always be a spot for you on my team. And that's how we left it. And then a couple of months after that, I emailed Katie and I was like, hey, so should we maybe talk again? And she was like, yes, please let let us talk again.

And then we resumed our talks and I joined the Prime Minister's office as a senior advisor in January of 2024. My start date was actually a year to the day of us finding out about a new diagnosis. No, again, my condolences again. Sorry, got real dark real quick. No, no, but I knew. Yeah, I'm my condolences again that's just sorry got real dark real quick. No yeah no but I knew yeah I knew that was possible yeah I know what happened early in this episode when I shouted out peak kick and mentioned I missed my kick my kick was my left fielder I played third base and then at

32 years old he was diagnosed with esophageal cancer and that was at the end of the season and he was dead by the beginning of the next season like it took him so fast and he was the the fittest healthiest 32 year old you would ever want to know anyway fuck cancer yeah okay we agree fuck cancer okay now what exactly are you doing for Prime Minister Justin Trudeau like this this whole idea that you're now executive director of communications is pretty amazing. Yeah.

So that's Max Valakett's title, my own title. Oh, that's not your title? No, no, no. Because this is the thing, when Katie came to me the first time, it was going to be in a very delineated role. And I guess she had spoken to a few folks. I mean, I've known Katie for a while too, but I guess in speaking to some people and coming to me a second time, it was I needed to do something somewhat amorphous because I have many skills, some on the policy side, some on the comp side, some on the planning

side, some on the operational side, where it was like I needed an amorphous title of senior advisor so I could do a smorgasbord of stuff. Right. Right. So like this is the time of the Donald Trump stuff and everything, like how are you, how would you deal with the Donald Trump aspect? So we would have, this was in the lead,

I mean I guess like yeah, towards the latter end of it, it was, Trump had been elected. I my main focus when I was in in the Prime Minister's office was I Did a lot of stuff on digital policy. So like online harms AI that sort of thing on the Trump stuff. There was Ostensibly like a de facto war room and I'm putting that in air quotes kind of set up for folks to deal with that. I was more on the like issues management side,

I guess if things were to arise from Donald Trump, but it was a, I mean, as this was all happening, you know, Donald Trump's elected in November, Christopher Greenland decides to knife Justin Trudeau in the face in December. So like there wasn't a ton of time in between to really get a hold of anything one way or another so when obviously Everybody knows Donald Donald Trump Justin Trudeau steps down Mark Carney is elected as leader of the Liberal Party. So does your job end when Justin Trudeau steps down? Like when exactly do you leave this office, the PMO?

So when it became clear to me that, you know, Justin Trudeau was gonna step down, I think most, if not every single senior person in that office left with him. most, if not every single senior person in that office left with him. That's not a knock on the new guy. I know Mark Carney, I think, will do a fantastic job, but I think he's like literally built for this moment, you know, in a weird way, like as the economist who's going to shepherd us through this. No, I think I put on blue sky where that's like if you were going to go into a lab

and you're going to like design the who do you want? Yeah, it's leading Canada at this time. It's Mark Kearney. Yeah, 100%. Yeah, exactly. But I think it's just, you know, you need a lot of trust in these roles. And I had known Justin Trudeau for some time. I know Katie for some time. I known the folks around us for some time. And quite frankly, I think a new prime minister should come in and fill it the senior positions with his own people right folks that he feels comfortable with and the vision that he wants to go forward with and I You know, it's it's a different prime minister's office. It's a very different Liberal Party different priorities and That's fine. So what's next for you?

It's a good question. I don't know. What do you want to do? You want to do together? So what's next for you? That's a good question. I don't know. What do you want to do? You want to do it together? Yeah, I don't know. I'm not, I like people keep asking me that and I don't, I'm selling my house right now in Oakville. So I need to get that over with and then I will figure it out. I basically went from being a grieving widow to immersing myself into a job where I would have to work a minimum of a hundred hour work week for a year and a bit to just now trying to sell my house and kind of get some sort of sense of normalcy and I will figure what I do next. you to leave the radio gig and then the worst thing that could possibly happen with a noop and you know you're entitled to catch your breath and yeah thanks yeah I'm giving you

up you don't need my permission Supriya you know that but you can you can take a breather here and you got your you know your craft beer and your lasagna and you can take a moment a couple of just quick questions is I love rapid fire. Are you still active on Twitter or sorry X? No, we call it Twitter. Yeah, I guess I'm sort of still active. I tweet time every now and again, but I just find the algorithm is completely broken. So like a good example is there was a little bit of a conservative spat in very insider political circle world and It didn't go anywhere like nobody got no pickup like in the olden times a

Fight between Nick Cavalli's and Jenny Byrne would have lit up. So I had screen for days I have great nostalgia for old Twitter like pre Elon Twitter. Yeah great nostalgia Yeah, just the way like you're it's first of all, chronology like a chronology of it, like chronological order timeline. Yeah. Like, please, can we bring that back? Like, why am I getting tweets from 18 hours ago constantly? One tweet of yours I'm going to bring up just because you're you're held captive in my basement here and where are you going to go?

But you did have a little go at Proud Boys, Canada Proud, Canada Proud. Yeah. Who go at Proud Boys. Canada Proud. Canada Proud, yeah. Who are the Proud Boys? This is my ignorance. So the Proud Boys are a designated terror entity, I believe, in Canada. Canada Proud is ostensibly an anti-liberal outfit who engages in harassing female journalists

and promoting disinformation. Okay, well thank you for correcting me there. I have merged the, conflated the two in my mind. Okay, so Canada Proud is, can I read what you tweeted? Yeah, please do. Okay. And you'll remind me what you were replying to because I didn't actually copy that, but probably around the time you're able to make a woman come. So never, I do have to pick up my daughter from my sister-in-law's place in like an hour though, so we'll stop checking Twitter then. Like that's kind of

refreshing or whatever that you like, you can just call out Canada Proud on something like that. So I was replying to the fact of when, because what they had said to me was when Katie was going to come and take my phone away from me. So it was like probably when you're able to make a woman come, which is never a fuck face like because because you're a bunch of incels living in your mom's basement. And there's no repercussions for you tweeting from the hip like that. Well, I mean, I don't think anybody loves nobody had a chat with you after that or anything.

No, I mean, I went to Katie as soon as I popped that off and I was like, yo, just so you know, I have to pick like I I'm like, I have to pick up Satya in an hour. So like, that's my kid. I'm like, I'm going to go pick her up. I'm putting my phone away and she's like, yeah, all good. No problem. And then saw, you know, she was getting complaints, of course, from other people because Ottawa is a very pedestrian Puritan town and apparently, you know

You kind of gave them this gun or whatever like this loaded weapon or whatever could star people out to just Gun you down because you're with the Liberal Party Yeah, sure. And I think and there's a lot of fuck Trudeau sentiment going on around that time Yeah, I think there was a lot of fuck Trudeau sentiment until the very last day And then they just rewrote it to fuck Kearney. Yeah. But this this notion and I just thought it was so funny that like, because after like I actually got on the phone with Katie, you know, later that day or whatever, I'm like, I'm sorry.

Like, I'm sure it's been a headache for you. And she was like, don't worry about my headaches. Like and she was just like, you know, like Supriya, we knew me and the boss knew who you were when we hired you. On that note, though, how like, did you have a relationship of Justin Trudeau that predated this? Like, it sounds almost like this, does he? Were you friends? I mean, we weren't. I wouldn't call us friends, but I mean, I had interviewed him. So in September of 2023, I moderated a panel with him,

Jacinda Ardern, Santa Marin, and the Norwegian PM about like, you know, how to preserve democracy in an era of like digital disinformation. And because I had been on power and politics regularly and question period regularly as like a partisan sort of pundit, I was ostensibly somewhat aware of who I was, I guess. So we were friendly, certainly, I think, before I had the job. OK, I'm going to ask you another liberal party question I'm naturally curious about because I've had over on this program a couple of times Marcy Ian.

Love Marcy. So Marcy was sitting in the seat you're sitting in now. Not that long ago, it was during the liberal leadership race that Mark Carney eventually won. And I was asking her, I said, you know, when this race is done, there's probably going to be an election called right away. Like, are you ready? And she was telling me how ready they were. And it wasn't many weeks later that it was announced she wasn't running again. And I'm wondering, do you know what the heck happened there? Like, did you think, do you have any insight into what happened with Marcy Ian not running and then Evan Solomon, a former member of the media, taking that riding and winning for the liberals? So I would just say that I think to run again, like you know, even to be political staff is a lot,

like you make a lot of sacrifices, you make, you know, you, you have no social life. If you have a relationship, then like Godspeed, the best, best of luck to you To be an elected official and to be a minister around that cabinet table Your heart doesn't have to be in it just 100% like you have to be like all in above and beyond for it I think what I can and I hope Marcy doesn't mind me saying this but I would imagine for her it became a question of Do I still want to do this? Do I still have the hundred and fifty percent in me to keep going at this day after day? Do my kids really want to keep going through this?

You know, day at like or whatever it was because she's very recognizable as well from her previous you know era as a broadcaster. Canada AM, the social, sure. Yeah. And I think, you know, for whatever threats you think female politicians get, if you're a black woman, it's those threats are on steroids, man. And... But, but, but, but, Supriya, I wish I had the exact date, but like literally this was the liberal leadership race was in the midst or whatever. When she looked me in the eyes and talked to me about how ready they were

for this election, I mean, that could still be she was so like we're still ready. But then maybe she just didn't want to do it. OK, I just wondered if possibly in the inner workings of the Liberal Party, is it like does she get a tap on the shoulder and told like and run this? I think it would have been the opposite. I think she would have signaled to the Liberal Party saying I'm not gonna You know, I'm not gonna put my name forward this time around And then the Liberal Party would have gone about to find somebody

to run in that writing All right, so any thoughts on okay, so Nate or skiing it does I say it Smith. How do you say that name Erskine? I say Erskine Smith Erskine Smith. Yeah, I'm not good at these common names. Okay, uh Was gunning for housing minister status, right and then was sort of the cabinet loop Yeah, and was out of the cabinet loop this time. I wonder you've any any thoughts on that. That was a surprise to me Yeah, I think it was a mistake. I think they're going to look back on this and think it was a mistake. I think their entire approach to housing policy right now is a mistake. I don't think they realize the level of anger of folks 40 and younger that is percolating and has

bubbled over. And I don't think anyone in the party and very few people in the prime minister's office really get and understand that anger. And I say that as somebody who is often the youngest, if not one of the youngest people around, you know, a decision-making table. And, you know, there's a clip of me from like 2017, way before joining the prime minister's office,

I'm on the national with Wendy Messley and Tasha Cured in and Stephen March, I think was the other panelist, where we're talking about housing prices. I had yet to purchase a home and everybody's like laughing about about like, well, ha ha Millennials and housing prices, they should just move out further move to Newmarket, move to Orangeville, move to wherever. And I was just like, guys, I don't think anybody really understands. Like, I have, at the time I was a morning show host. I was making morning show host money.

My husband's an engineer making engineer money. We have cash coming in from my in-laws to help with a down payment. And it was still difficult for us to get a job. I'm sorry, for us to get a house. What are my kids going to do? Well, this is the this is the thing and I don't think people fully realize that if like a young geriatric millennial couple okay is needs the bank of mom and dad to help you with a down payment, each of us making six figures for years at that time. Wow. Um, you're gonna get in a situation

where you can only be a homeowner if you're the descendant of a homeowner. And that's some Hunger Games shit right there, man. Like that's some like surf style, like going back to a time where we don't want to go back to. And I this all of this nonsense of, well, we can't let housing prices. Yeah, I agree. We can't let them crash. but house prices have to go down.

A starter home cannot be one point two million dollars or whatever it is. One point one million, whatever it is in Toronto right now. So this basement where you did clear the ceiling. So kudos to you. Just barely barely. But like, yeah, like half an inch or something. But like, I mean, if I didn't buy this place with my wife, 12 years ago, I could never ever afford this home today.

I don't even, I live in this like wake up in a cold sweat. Like, what would I do? Like, I'm just, I have it now, so we're okay. But, and then I got four kids, right? A couple are young adults and I don't know how they buy a home and I guess they, I don't know what the how they buy a home and I guess they I don't know. It's scary out there. Well, if you listen to Carney and Minister Robertson, they'll just they'll build it

at scale somehow magically without your house Gregor Roberts, coming down in price and things will magically happen. Okay, so you need to build new homes and but not have a real estate bubble pop. Is that the balance? Well, I think what they're saying is you build affordable homes at scale, which I agree with. But I think in order for you just you need some sort of

correction. Like it doesn't make sense that these houses are what they are often. Right. And people are going to have to see, unfortunately, their some of their equity get lost. Yeah, that's just the only way. Otherwise, your kids, my kid, they're priced out. Supriya, you've been amazing. So before I dismiss you, you're almost done.

You've been amazing. You gave me 90 great minutes. And at some point, I'm going to probably politely ask you to come back. And then we'll see if you politely decline or return. But beholden by big tech algorithms. I wrote that down because you said it. And I have a question about Facebook. Okay, so primarily this, it seems like this alternate reality, you know, you mentioned depending how you consume your news, you may believe in one of two different like distinct quote unquote realities.

But it seems like people aren't able to share from reputable sources, be it CBC, you know, whatever, CTV, whatever these reputable journalistic sources are, we're still unable to share this on Facebook, but these alternatives sometimes can can leak in. I'm just wondering, what do we do because Because we talk about not only baby boomers, but I don't mean to pick on that generation. But there's a group of people who are getting their news primarily from Facebook and their brains are slowly turning to mush. Yeah, look, the generation that's getting their news primarily from TikTok, their brains aren't mush free either right now. So, you know, for all of the bashing that Millennials get, I think the fact that we were the first

generation to like grow up, remember both, right? Like coming of age is what I mean. Like I still, in my day, we still had a one-family computer with a dial-up internet, right? And I think we were all sort of traumatized by not having to cite Wikipedia when we were in like high school and university and figured out how to do original research. You don't have that anymore. And then with generative AI, it's turned people's brain into mush even that much quicker. The sad answer to your question, I don't have an answer. Like I don't have how are. Like I don't have a, how are we going to fix this? I think what we can do is we can hold tech platforms to

account to ensure that they're not poisoning us with either AGI slop or with, you know, brain poison of stuff that's demonstrably false. But whether or not we can get to that point is a question that remains to be seen. Well, because I'm a stickler for a lot of like rather obscure Canadian, if you will. Like I've noticed with the the A.I. results you get off the top of these Google results now, I can

really spot these hallucinations. Yeah. Right. And it's just it's frightening to me that it's almost as if the we somehow managed to break the internet like it again this nostalgia I feel for like 2009 Twitter extends beyond that to good old Google back in the day like it just feels like we have a Perfect storm to spread misinformation to snow and the like We do and I don't think there's any incentive to change it, especially when,

again, you have three or four billionaires that control basically our entire information flow and they are all American and they're all in with this current U.S. administration. Like, think of that picture of Donald Trump with like, dystopian, yeah, Zuckerberg and Jeff Bezos behind, is behind right like that's bad you have a bunch of techno fascists that have been given the keys and they're gonna go forward with it and they are really bending the knee to the president of the

United States to a point where if he decides I don't know the Gulf of Mexico is the Gulf of America in America you'll see it on Google Maps right like it's it's there to that point so can you lead me like on our way out here? Can you lead me if any hope for the future? Are we just like completely fucked? So the hope I think we should have is that if you're in the EU or if you're in the UK or Australia, you do have better protections. And Canadians should be asking our lawmakers why we don't have those same protections and why a kid in Canada is

demonstrably less safe on the internet, on Instagram, on TikTok, on whatever, than a kid in the EU than a kid in the UK is. We should be demanding a same level of transparency and accountability and don't let the rebel in Canada Proud and True North and this right wing disinformation machine poison you against it. That's a nice watch. I've been checking it out. Seriously, that watch that this watch. Yeah, it costs more than this home maybe. That's a wonderful looking watch. Thank you. Okay. Did you enjoy your Toronto mic debut? I did. Are you going to go beat up Bruce Arthur for telling you this would be a good time? No, but primarily because I think Bruce could maybe take me. I'd have to get him in the

knee first, but he's tall, so it's hard to do. Bruce gets abused online. I feel Bruce takes a lot of shots online. I'm trying to think of Al Strachan, for example. There's a number of people out there who just have a target with Bruce's head on it, but he's a good guy He is great guy great man. What were you doing at West End Phoenix that night? I rolled by you we were talking about disinformation West End Phoenix was hosting me in conversation with a young Okay, what a time to rolling by Bruce Arthur Supriya Dua Vetti and David Bidini on the same space at the same time. That was amazing.

All right, thanks for doing this. We got to take a photo now by Toronto Tree. And I bet you any words for Stafford who's listening at home right now. He's for sure going to tune into Supriya Dwevedi's Toronto Mic debut. Just I want to know what Stafford thinks of the new Simpsons. So do I, actually. Yeah. I'm going to get him over. Every six months I reach out and get him over here, talk Simpsons with him. And that, by the way, last question before I get to the extra. Thank you, Rob Proust for adding a lot of rosy and gray instrumental here.

How do we follow you to find out what's next for you? I'm on Twitter at Sepriya Devetti. I'm on Blue Sky at Sepriya and on Instagram at Supe's Devetti. But like, to be honest, if something happens, you'll tweet about it. People can follow you. Well, I don't tweet at all anymore. Mike Wilner got me to quit Twitter. That's how influential he is.

He said to me, Mike, if you loved going to a bar to drink your Great Lakes Brewery and then that bar was bought by a Nazi, would you continue to go drink your beer at that bar? Fine. Okay. Yeah. So good luck, Twitter. Okay. And that brings us to the end of our 1,696th show. Go to torontomike.com for all your Toronto Mike needs and to find out what happens next to FOTM Supriya Duavetti. Rhymes of spaghetti. Much love to all who made this possible. That's Great Lakes Brewery, Palma Pasta. Don't leave without your lasagna, Supriya. Minaris, Toronto Maple Leafs Baseball, RecycleMyElectronics.ca, Building Toronto Skyline, and Ridley Funeral Home.

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