Toronto Mike'd: The Official Toronto Mike Podcast - Teri Hart: Toronto Mike'd #336

Episode Date: May 17, 2018

Mike chats with broadcaster Teri Hart about her start at CFNY and Q107, her 19 years at The Movie Network, her new role at Rogers Television and her struggles with infertility.

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I'm Mike from torontomike.com. And joining me is broadcaster Terry Hart. Welcome, Terry. Thank you, Mike. What an intro. Now I need to take a breath. It keeps getting longer, which is good, but I'm not a professional like you. It's effortless for you, right?

You're always reading copies. Yeah, always reading copies sometimes. Never need a second take, is that right? Yeah, sometimes, but I do pride myself on my memory. That's what I need, a memory. I have great memories of this jam right here. Yeah. And I like how it bounces in the headphones.

It bounces back and forth. This song, it held up, right? This is still a cool song. Yeah, I mean, I think it did that thing in a way that Celine Dion has kind of done that thing. That it was like, wasn't cool for a while. And now it's like so retro, it's cool again. It comes back, right? Because 80s, you're right.

In the 90s, 80s stuff wasn't cool. Not at all. But now, I mean, I had Gord Depp here from The Spoons. Like the 80s are now back. But you're right. You have to do that. You're right. You go away as being uncoolool and then you come back to being cool like retro vinyl vinyl like i mean people are excited to see def leopard now right i'm sure in the early 90s

def leopard they were probably playing like public parks for free you know what i mean absolutely no i mean cory hart was a big deal right uh yeah montreal boy did you ever work with steve anthony in your illustrious career i never worked with steve anthony but i know steve anthony and i've been to his place with he and tanya in prince edward county and and steve and i have um we've known each other for years you're in that exclusive because he's like a mover and a shaker if you get invited to his place there, that means you're somebody in this city. Well, the key is Tanya, I got to say.

The key is his wife, who I have known forever and ever, back to when she was blades, when she was rollerblading all through the city. I was working at Q107 at the time. And she is the key. And she's on Facebook a lot. And so if you happen to be in the county and you happen to post something,

she will DM you and say, come on over. But it helps if you're Terry Hart. You know what I mean? Like, I don't know if the average Joe, I'm in Prince Edward, the silence from the Anthony household, but Terry Hart's in the neighborhood. Get her over here. Come on over. I'm known for enjoying a glass of wine by a lake. So all good.

So why did I bring up Steve Anthony? Because I just like to talk about the guy. Well, because he was boy in the box for Corey Hart. That's what it was. I'm impressed you knew that. I was going to drop that fun fact on you, but you knew that. So how did you know that? I mean, it's just kind of a legendary story about Steve. Because he told you at his house. That's probably his introduction. Like you come in, he's like,

hi Terry, I'm the boy in the box. No, he's not that guy at all. I don't know. I mean, it could have been something I saw on Facebook. I don't know how I know it,

but I know it. The correct answer is, I'm going to help you here. Don't worry. I haven't started recording yet, but the correct answer is you heard it because you probably, you listened to Steve Anthony's appearance on Toronto Mike, then he told this story is that a possibility that must be it it must have been all of the things that i've learned about colleagues listening to toronto

mic i have a i'm gonna ask you about that in a minute uh so yesterday i decided to tweet like what guests do you think to the people on twitter i said what guest would you like to have on toronto mic which i rarely do this but i got a lot of suggestions and someone suggested somebody from like what guests do you think to the people on Twitter? I said, what guests would you like to have on Toronto Mike, which I rarely do this, but I got a lot of suggestions and someone suggested somebody from the Toronto sun, Jane something. I want to say Jane Stevenson. Oh,

she's great. Okay. So I wrote Jane an email and I said, somebody on Twitter thought you'd make a good guest. Are you interested? And she said, yes. And then we move on to scheduling.

But then she says, Oh, I probably should ask this first. Who are you? And what is this? I on to scheduling. But then she says, oh, I probably should ask this first. Who are you and what is this? I swear to you. And I'm like, oh, yeah. Usually you do ask that first. And then you say, okay, I'll come over to your basement for like 90 minutes or whatever.

But yeah. Well, Jane is up for anything. She's an awful lot of fun. So it doesn't surprise me that that was like a secondary question for her. And before she knew who the hell I was or what the hell Toronto Mike was, she did say like, I can't do anything until after this royal wedding, she said, because I guess she's drowning in royal wedding stuff. So can I ask you, I know you're talking to like the movie stars and everything,

but like, are you interested in the royal wedding um i am i don't think i'm gonna set my alarm to get up for the royal wedding i will pvr the royal wedding okay so that's that's a high level of interest yeah i mean you know it's it's amazing what's happening it's you know culturally this is a huge shift i think the story has been super dramatic with her dad being there and then not being there. I have a lot of empathy for her in all of this. I think it must be very difficult to be going through such

family strife on such a large public stage. Is he having a heart surgery? Is that what I saw? I find the story of him going from staging photos to having a heart attack and now needing to have heart surgery maybe a little suspect. A little convenient.

A little convenient. But, you know, who am I to say? Maybe, I mean, you know, we certainly hope everybody hopes that he's fine and healthy. I think it's going to be interesting to see who walks her down the aisle. Will it just be her mom? Because that'll be another huge break. It might be Ben Mulrooney. I don't think it'll be Ben.

I think he's going to be busy getting his lovely children all ready. I don't know. I'm not following this at all, but I do like Twitter. And occasionally, a royal wedding tweet will come across my feed, and I'll read it. It's not too many characters. I can take it in real quick. And I learned from... That's how I learned

it's happening at 4 a.m., I think how i learned it's happening at 4 a.m uh i think well it's happening at 4 a.m our time of course so it starts at 4 a.m our time and then i wondered i had then i wondered aloud like who cares so much because what you're doing makes sense if you're a fan of this kind of thing you pvr it watch it later it doesn't need to be live like this isn't like the gold medal game at the olympics i'll tell you i do remember waking up for diana and charles wedding and i did watch that live but you i'm doing the math in my head you were three years old i think you were that's interesting math mike oh i know i'm not good at math i should have pointed that out i appreciate the error that you made in the correct direction and that was

also art i guess it's five hour difference i should yeah so like uh that was a yeah like a 4 a.m thing here too i mean it's an event right and difference. Yeah. Yeah, so that was a 4 a.m. thing here, too. I mean, it's an event, right? And I mean, there is something about seeing it live. I mean, I watch the Oscars live. I watch the Golden Globes live. I don't PVR those. So it is an event.

It's the same as if you watch hockey. But you're not waking up for it. But your level of interest sounds high to me because you're going to PVR it and watch it. Yeah. I'm not even there. I don't know. If something interesting happens, I'm probably going to see it on Twitter, a thousand people.

Well, intrinsically, it's going to be interesting because it's a royal wedding. So they're getting married. And what's her dress going to be like? Do you not care? Do you not care? I don't know the difference between a nice dress. I know they do long trains. Is that what they're called?

You know what I mean? I don't have a... You know what Toronto Mike does not? A fashion podcast. Oh, look at how I'm dressed. I'm wearing my Roots sweatpants and my tragically hip t-shirt. Is that fashionable?

Yeah, it's fashion forward, buddy. You know what it is? I clearly don't care how I look and that's cool. Yeah. You with me? Sort of like how Spoons and Def Leppard are cool again.

I told you before I started recording. Oh, by the way, Boy in the Box, dedicated to Steve Anthony, who I know is listening right now because his dear, dear friend, Terry Hart. We might be exaggerating dear, dear friend, but I'll go with it. I never get, I don't know. I'm not even 100% sure where Prince Edward County is. Like, can you help me? Like, what's a big city near there I can kind of...

I guess Kingston is the biggest. I know where Kingston is. So it's east. It's beautiful. There are towns called Picton is in Prince Edward County. Okay, so when I drive to Ottawa, I do like a 401 thing and then like a 417, I think, or 416 or 417.

Prince Edward County is just off the 401. Okay. Okay. Past the Big Apple. Is it like Sandbanks? No, the Big Apple. Colburn? Yeah, so Sandbanks is Prince Edward County.

Okay. Oh, my God. It's beautiful there. It's beautiful. Okay. I've camped there and beautiful. Okay. No wonder Steve's there.

That's a smart place to be. That's a good idea. Yeah. I've never got an No wonder Steve's there. That's a smart place to be. That's a good idea. Yeah. I've never got an invitation to Steve's estate, even though we've had a couple of nice conversations. But you'll put in

a good word for me. But it sounds like I need to focus on what's his wife's name again? Tanya. Tanya. She's wonderful. I'm going to stalk Tanya

and see if I can get an invitation. I'll bring Coke Zero for Steve. You might want to change your verb to like get in touch with instead of stalk. Good. Yes, that's better. That's why you're here. Tip from me to you. Drew McIntyre tweeted at us this morning and said, I look forward to hearing this episode. Say hi to Terry Hart from me. So I'm saying hi to you from Drew McIntyre. Hi, Drew McIntyre. And I don't know if you know Drew or if he's just a fan. this episode say hi to terry hart from me so i'm saying hi to you from drew mcintyre hi drew mcintyre and i don't know if you know drew or if he's just a fan yeah no we worked together at um when i was working at the movie network yes okay so good that makes sense that uh i thought

it was just a fan i'm like okay i'll say okay that's great i'm a fan of drew's what did he do at the movie network um he worked oh my god i don't you know that's okay but he was a good guy super good guy okay good i you know that seems like a lifetime ago the um raptors you're a big raptor fan because i follow you on twitter and so since uh my last week right dwayne casey was fired do you have any thoughts on the firing of dwayne Casey? Yeah, I fall into the sad camp. And then, you know, when Cleveland got trounced in the next

round. Yeah, they're down 2-0 against Boston, which is pissing me off because I kind of hope they roll over Boston and then we don't look so bad. Yeah, well, I mean, that's the thing. I was really sad about Casey being fired. I thought, you know, they did finish the regular season first in their division, which the Raptors had never Yeah, well, I mean, that's the thing is, you know, I was really sad about Casey being fired. I thought, you know, he did.

They did finish the regular season, you know, first in their division, which the Raptors had never done before. And he certainly gets credit for that and the team as well. And I thought, you know, can we not give him one more year? And then to see what Cleveland went on to do against Boston, he had to go. And Indiana took him to seven games. Yeah. Which is a key part of the story, too. So, OK, so we've is that so Dwayne Casey, great had to go. And Indiana took him to seven games. Yeah. Which is a key part of the story, too. So, okay, so Dwayne Casey, great regular season coach.

And they weren't going to get rid of DeMar. I mean, they can't. Their contracts are, you know, and I watch Tim and Sid a lot, and I learn a lot of hockey or sports facts from Tim and Sid. And, you know, they were talking about how Casey was asking for a two-year extension to match up with, you know, they were talking about how Casey was asking for a two-year extension to match up with, you know, their top players

and they were never going to give them two years. So it might have been more of a mutual thing between Casey and Masai. I don't know. You're in the wrong biz. I know you cover movies and stuff. You should be doing sports talk. I think you're very good at it. And we need, I think we need

more women on Toronto Sports Talk Radio. I always, I said for a long time, if I had of been able to forecast my career, I would have learned sports. I would have been a much better arena to go into than entertainment.

Mind you, no pun intended. But I love being an entertainment reporter. Good, because that's what you are, and you should love what you do. Okay, so I'm playing... Let's hear this whole time. I'm playing this for two reasons. This is Jimmy Hart, the mouth of the South,

who was a manager of WWF wrestlers when I used to watch. And this is Eat Your Heart Out's Rick Springfield. And I'm playing it because his name is Jimmy Hart and you're Terry Hart. That's why I'm playing it. I played Corey Hart and Jimmy Hart. And also because Jason Agnew, who has a big

new wrestling podcast, is going to kick out the jams next week. And I'm excited to find out the jams next week and I'm excited to find out if he kicks out anything from the wrestling album which is where this is from. So there you go. Fun. But you did not watch WWF wrestling

as a kid. I remember the Hulk Hogan era. This is the Hulk Hogan era for sure. I grew up in Brantford, Ontario, and they came and wrestled in Brantford, the arena in Brantford, and I went to that. And it was like the Hulk Hogan time.

But that was my... Hulkamania. Yeah. And I believe the big match you saw probably was Hulk Hogan versus Wayne Gretzky. Was that the big Brantford matchup? Well, that would have been something. But no. I did live around the corner from the Gretzky. Was that the big Brantford matchup? Well, that would have been something. But no, I did live around the corner from the Gretzky family. Are you friendly with Walter?

No, I wish. No, we weren't in the same school district, but I did go. I grew up in Brantford until grade eight, so primary school, and then I moved to Brampton. That's funny because some people who don't know the area would confuse those two places i know and brantford so okay so that's interesting so you were raised in brantford and but you went to high school in brampton yep j section so when no no what's it called i i grew up in brampton in the j section the j section in brampton they

all they have sections of the city that are that all the street names start with the same letter. Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah. So there's the J section, the G section, Professors Lake. Yeah. So it was great when you were in high school. Party in the H section. That is funny.

I did not know that. You see, already, even if the episode ends right now, I feel like you've taught me something. Because I had no idea. That's pretty cool. About Brampton City Planning. Because Brampton's so close. Like Because I had no idea. That's pretty cool. About Brampton City planning. Because Brampton's so close. Like, I've been there. It's very close.

But I had no idea there was like a J's. I had no idea. Yeah. Completely ignorant. That's fascinating. I mean, and technically it was Bramley. But I don't think they differentiate between Bramley and Brampton anymore. I don't think.

I just know that here, Ontario, which is Highway 10. And I want to... don't tell me this. What is it? Seven? All right. So like that's like seven in here, Ontario. Is that like the old Brampton? Am I like?

Yeah. Like Gage Park is like the, and it's beautiful. It's a really lovely, sweet park in old Brampton. And the skating rink. And yeah, it's a lovely, lovely, sweet, old part of the city. And then there was the new development in Bramley. And I went to Chincoosie Secondary School. Okay, interesting.

How old were you when you moved to Toronto? Toronto proper? Yeah, like a 416. Yeah, I was older. Like I was kind of older by the time I left home. I think I was 20. I was working at Q. So I think I would have been like 22.

You made it. I was older. Okay. No, I was out of the house before 22. But today, I don't think anybody would think that's really old to leave the house anymore i think that those days are gone like i think we were all i don't know we're similar vintage and i think it was weird if you were still at home at 21 yeah but that's long gone yeah i think but i was i think it's long gone i think now people expect to stay at home until they're 30 um but i i felt older by the time i did leave my mom and dad's, the cocoon of my mom and dad's home.

22. All right, we're going to... So I've lived in Toronto longer than anywhere else now. Again, I'm doing the math, but as we established, I'm not good. But yeah, that does work. That's where math does work. I have a question over something you tweeted recently. No, was it you?

I think it was you. I hope it was you. You'll tell me. There's a film festival in France called Cannes. Have you ever heard of it? I have. I've been. You've been.

How many times have you been to Cannes? There's no S. There's no S. I suck at this. Cannes. Yeah, it's just Cannes. Well, they should take the S off the name. Well, it's French though, Mike.

Oh, gosh. They're allowed to spell it the way they want. In Cannes. How many times have you been to Cannes? My goodness. One, two, four or five. Wow. Yeah.

But that's amazing. It is amazing. Imagine like you're expensing a trip to Cannes. Yeah. That's amazing. Yeah, they were fun trips. I went a couple times to cover the festival itself properly. And then I went a couple more times for junkets, which were happening in Cannes.

I got junket questions for you. Okay. But first, there's some kind of a dress code in Cannes. I got junket questions for you. I got junket questions for you. But first, there's some kind of a dress code at Cannes. Yeah. Can you tell me just briefly? Not cool, man. It's not cool. So Cannes, the pomp and circumstance

and the tradition of Cannes is very important to the festival and to the French in general. And so this is a dress code for women that says that they must to walk the famous red carpet at the Palais where they have the big premieres, that they must be

wearing a black tie and must be in heels. They're not allowed to wear flats. It's the dress code. But only the women have to wear heels. Yes. The men don't have to wear heels. Did you know I have a dress code? You're in heels today. I am. Because you knew I had my dress code. Okay. Tell me the actress who took off her heels.

Kristen Stewart did it. And then before that, Julia Roberts had also done it back in 2016 when she was there for Money Matters, the George Clooney movie. And they were banned from Cannes Forevermore for taking off these heels. No, Ioney movie and they were uh they were banned from can forevermore for taking off these heels no i don't think they were but i'm i mean i don't know i don't know what the consequences and i think if you're julia roberts there are no consequences because she's a big star yeah julia roberts didn't take off her shoes on the red carpet like kristin did she walked barefoot on the red carpet um kristin stewart actually actually made quite a production of taking off her shoes and saying, if you're going to make me wear heels, then men have to wear heels, too. I think she's got an excellent point.

And it's like a ridiculously outdated dress code. Can I tell you my thoughts on heels? Yes. I think, OK, aesthetically, heels look very pretty on a woman. Am I allowed to say that? Yes. I like how they look on a woman, uh i think they're bad for the feet and i really think like if you think of like the yeah i think like uh feet are important for a person like when you're uh you know in in 60

years when you're an 85 year old woman and you're gonna want to have good feet like feet are really important for your mobility and stuff and heels are are bad for feet. It really is unfair that women are expected to wear heels. I think that's wrong. Yeah, I mean, you know, I don't think I'm expected to wear heels. I think that some days

I choose to wear heels. But I can you were. I can, I was. I think you were there several times. Yes, yes. I think that, okay. Well, if I was walking

the red carpet. But other than that, I was, you know, running along the Quazette trying to get interviews and do whatever. And I was very much not in carpet. But other than that, I was running along the Quisette trying to get interviews and do whatever. And I was very much not in heels. But have we heard from Kristen Stewart from the Twilight movies, right?

This is Kristen. Have we heard from her? Is she okay? Have they locked her up in some kind of a gulag? I don't think she's in any French prison. I think she's still a member of the jury. This is a year at Cannes that we saw the silent protest with 82 women representing the 82 female directors that the film festival had only let in, had only accepted as screenings in the 71 year history of the festival. And compared to, I believe

the number was 1,688 films directed by men. So, you know, this is all part of, you know, the ongoing conversation from the Me Too movement, the 50-50 by 2020 agenda, which has come out of the Me Too movement. I think people, women, actresses are, you know, finding opportunities to make points about how practically the gender bias affects them. And saying that a woman has to wear heels on the red carpet is just one example of the systemic

gender bias. Yeah, I just think it's a dated ritual that just seems out of place in 2018. If I ever go to Cannes, I'm not wearing heels on the red carpet. Just putting that out there right now. But you'll be alright. Yeah. I agree. If I ever go to Cannes, I'm not wearing heels on the restaurant. All right.

Just putting that out there right now. All right. But you'll be all right. You're a man. That is true. You're not expected to. Thank you. Glad you noticed.

Andrew Stokely is a friend of the podcast because he helped me buy these microphones that we're talking into right now. Thanks, Andrew Stokely. Nice microphones. And he tweeted,

ask her if she can drink raspberry Schweppes ginger ale because I can't. And I don't know what that means. So you need to explain to us all. What are we talking about? Oh, this is a reference to when I was working at CFNY, when it was still CFNY. And my job was the summer cruiser reporter. So I was traveling Terry when I worked at CFNY.

Everybody who had the job had like a kind of funny sure alliteration like the guy who did it before me was stark roving um i don't know what happened to that guy i don't even remember what his real name was uh but i was traveling terry at cfny and i went around to different events and i gave things out that were sponsored things and one of the sponsored things was Raspberry Schweppes. Is this late 80s? Yeah. Goodness. I think they become like Edge 102 and like I want to say I was there for that branding switch.

91 or whatever. Yeah, I was there when they switched from being CFNY to being the leading Edge. Were you there during that? I just had Alan Cross on to talk about this, but there was that period. I was there with Alan. Were you there during that? Uh, I just had Alan cross on to talk about this, but there was that period. Were you there when it switched from the David Marsden spirit of radio stuff to

like almost top 40 esque, like they had Madonna and stuff. Okay. And then they came back and then of course they were saved. I like to say they were saved by grunge. Yeah. Right. Which is like 91.

Yeah. And they were saved by, you know, uh, certainly in radio, commercial radio, you know, you are a victim or a success to what is popular music of the time and what your format is. So, you know, yeah, in the early 90s when everything was coming out of Seattle and it was this new sound and it was all alternative. And, you know, it was a time for CFMY to really shine. And they had amazing broadcasters.

They had people who really lived the brand. Drop some names for me here because this was my station at the time. I wasn't lucky enough to win anything from Traveling Terry. I would never forget that. And I would be telling everybody I meet, did you know I won a bumper sticker or whatever?

I won some Schweppes from Traveling Terry. But like Alan Cross, you worked with. You tell me names because I'm a big fan of these CFNY. So I was there,

you know, Danielle was there. You know, she's threatened to come on this show for years. We're still scheduling it because I want to play the audio because she quits on the air.

I was there. And I've got it loaded up. You were there. Yeah. It was a shocker. I think I was there. I just thought. Anyway, I was certainly around that seminal event.

You know, that was a time I was there. You know, Chris Shepard was there. Scott Turner was there. Alan Cross was there. Who was doing midday? Oh, you know, Brother Billy. Oh, yeah. He's in White white rock now white

rock bc right now neil morrison neil morrison he and i went to the same high school get out of here yeah he's coming on too but if he ever comes back to this damn city he's gonna come on toronto he's a good guy um so yeah i mean really great broadcasters a really exciting time i was there when it was still in brampton you know the apocryphal over top of the roadie shop. Well, Fred Patterson was there, right? Yeah, Humble and Fred. Humble and Fred were there. So it was, you know, to walk in there as,

you know, I was super naive at that point. I started there in my second year of college at Humber College. And I had done a summer at CKNX in Wingham, Ontario and I came back to do my second year of college and I was just like hey I've worked at a radio station I have all this experience now and I live in Brampton so I'm just gonna call up CFNY and ask for a job. Why not? And Noni Raskin who was the promotions director I somehow you know they put me through to her and I just had some chutzpah and she was like well there's no job but like come on in and I'd like to meet you so I came walking in and I was

not you know I wasn't a person who lived the brand of what CFNY was I wasn't super a music geek or super I just was like hey it would be convenient to work at the radio station that is in the city that I live in right no it No, it makes sense. If anything, I was practical. So this whole like approach, it reminds me of a story I heard from some guy you might have heard of named George Strombolopoulos. This is a few years later. But George essentially was like, he'd come to see it would just be like a handout promotions, take calls, like give out tickets to things. Yeah. Like just be around and be exposed to it all. And be like, hand out promotions, take calls, like give out tickets to things. Yeah. Just be around and be exposed to it all.

And that's smart, traveling, Terry. I'm telling you. That's smart. I should maybe go back to that. In all honesty, I'm not going to call you anything else, actually.

I love it. And I'm going to, so what I'm going to do now is I'm going to play, well, first I'm going to give you a gift because you've come all this way. Are you an alcoholic

by any chance? I am not an alcoholic, but I certainly... I've got to stop opening an alcoholic, but I certainly like an adult beverage. I joke, of course, because I've had some straight, lately I've had guests that are straight edge, it's called. And straight edge means you don't smoke, you don't drink, you don't do drugs, you don't do any of this kind of thing. Straight edge. I've never heard that term. Is that a new buzzword? The term I learned it from somebody named Biff Naked. She's straight edge now. But I also had on Lucy from a band called Acid Test, who is straight edge now. And it just seems strange that in like one week span, I had two people who are now

straight edge. So I figured it was a new thing. And they self-identified as that. Biff self-identifies as straight edge. I know. I didn't know it either. So I can't even pretend I'm cool. But I do know that I'm glad to hear you're not straight edge because you can enjoy. Because that's the problem. Biff has to give it to like band members.

This has some weight to it, Mike. Six cans of Great Lakes beer. My goodness. And it's just before the May 2-4 weekend. That's what I'm thinking here. Did I sound more Canadian or Ontarian when I say May 2-4 weekend? That's the only name it should be referred to. That's the staple.

Canuck Pale Ale. Nice. So enjoy that. I'm going to also tell people listening that I'm working on a date where listeners of this podcast can come by and hang with me at Great Lakes Brewery. They have a big patio. And I'm just nailing down the date.

Would you come to my... I will. If I tell people Terry Hart's going to be there. If I'm in town, Mike, I'm there. Oh, my God. Without question. Yeah, so I'm working on the dates. In fact, I'm going to be there later today to discuss this.

Do you know, are you aware of Splashin' Boots by any chance? They're children entertainers, and you probably don't because you're probably not watching Treehouse TV because that would be creepy if you did that. That would be awkward. Anyway, they want to come and like, usually their audience is like, I don't know, three years old or four years old, but they

want to come play this event, but play like, cover like cool 90s songs and stuff. Sounds super awesome. So anyways, we're going to make a big thing of this. When cover like cool 90s songs and stuff sounds super awesome so anyways we're going to make a big thing of this i'm going to when i know the date i'll share it but enjoy your great legs beer i will and you're going to need a pint glass to pour that beer into so you please that pint glass is yours well isn't that nice with the lovely brian gerstein who always asks interesting questions he's got a question for you. Does he?

By the way, that's evidence right now. You have listened to this program. I do listen to the program. Hey, listen, you know what you're doing here, which is super cool, is you've kind of created, and I don't know if this was actually the mandate of the podcast,

but what's happened in 336 episodes is you've created an archive of the history of, you know, specifically radio in Toronto. And it's a super cool thing. I, you know, I'm very appreciative of what you've done. I'm going to edit the podcast. So it's just that sentence. And that'll be it. It'll be the shortest podcast ever.

Traveling Terry. And here's be it. It'll be the shortest podcast ever. Traveling Terry. And here's her thoughts on Toronto Mic'd. Yes. And it did evolve into that being the mandate, actually. So at the beginning, I didn't know what this was. And then by episode, I'm going to say by episode 60, I wanted it to be just that. Like, I need to record.

Like, I don't know why it took me 336 episodes to get Traveling Terry on this thing. That's just my own. But we did. I'm sure we talked about you coming on a long time ago. I think we did. I think it was

of a different time. And then when you had my dear friend Liza on. I'm going to bring her up soon because of, I want to talk a little more about Traveling Terry and the Q107 connection.

And of course, she shared that story, but please continue. She was great. She is great. And she's in, there's a, but please continue. She was great. She is great. And she's in, there's a, like a,

you went, no, there's a Ryerson click that she was part of. With Martine Gaillard. Yes. Who is on, who did the right thing

and went into sports and she's super talented. Yes. Martine's a really talented, her coverage of the terrible Humboldt tragedy was spectacular. And I'm sure very difficult.

She's from that part of the country and she was brave and an excellent broadcaster in that tragedy. Right. And also in this trifecta is Julie Adam, who, although not on mic, is a big time, anyone who knows Toronto Radio knows that she's,

I don't know what her title is. It's a big title. I think she's a music director. She oversees a bunch of radio stations. Yeah, I think she just won music director of the year at CMW. I think I saw that on Instagram. Congratulations, Julie. I met her because

there was a period of time, so I was involved in the Humble and Fred podcast when it first kind of launched. I don't know when that was. Six, seven years ago. Trailblazers. Yeah, and I was the digital back-end guy. There was a period of time where Rogers was like helping the show in some way.

I'm not even sure, except they helped promote it on different digital channels. There was a period of time. So Humble and Fred's podcast in the beginning had some affiliation with Rogers. And I guess Julie Adam was the one behind this initiative.

And so I had a couple of Humble and Fred events, I met Julie Adam. Cool. She's a lovely person. I don't know her well. Yeah, and she seemed very nice. And I was disappointed that she seems to be a big Detroit Tigers fan. Oh. And unless she was like, I guess if you were

from Windsor, that's acceptable. That's like right there. But if she's not from Windsor and I have to do a little homework, that's unacceptable. There's just no excuse for that. I have to look into that. Brian, you mentioned Brian likes to ask a question of guests and he's got a question for you. So let's listen to Brian Gerstein from propertyinthesix.com. Propertyinthesix.com Hi, Terry. Brian Gerstein here, sales representative with PSR Brokerage and proud sponsor of Toronto

Mic'd. Depending on your neighborhood, there are some really good buying opportunities for low-rise housing, which is expected to bounce back the middle of 2019. As a result, if you want to move from a condo, a townhouse, or a starter home to the next level, the gap is as narrow as it has ever been. If you are considering this, give me a call at 416-873-0292 so I can crunch the numbers for you and you can make an informed decision. Terry, I need names. Who is the rudest star you ever interviewed? Who surprised you the most in the sense that their public persona was different than when you interviewed them? And who have you not had the chance to interview yet and would love to? All right.

Now, these are the, I call these the junkets. So let's, tell us about junkets really quickly. So, um, like when I have someone like Bill Brio or Norm Wilner or Richard Krauss, like I always want to hear about these things. Like for years, I guess you do these junkets where like a movie star, like a Ben Affleck or something would go like from one person to another. Well, he's right. And we go to him. So it's, um, Yes, right, of course. And we go to him. So it's a very well-organized,

sometimes glamorous way for studios to get a ton of interviews done in a very short period of time. And it's airtime that they could never afford to buy. Right. And, you know... It promotes the movie. Ben's got a movie coming out. He sits in that room and one by one you're...

So how much time would you get with a Ben Affleck, for example? Four minutes, five minutes. Okay, that's not real talk, but that gets you a chance to ask some interesting questions. I mean, you know, it's part of the craft of, if you can call it a craft, sometimes I think it is and sometimes I think it's not. I vacillate between it.

It's part of the art of doing your job is to get what you need in that amount of time. And I bet you're good at it now because you probably how many of these junkets do you think you've done? A million? I don't know if I'm at a million but there's I've certainly done thousands. I can imagine. And I think for Ben Affleck

for example. I'll tell you a funny story is that I was on a junket once with, uh, my friend Danielle Graham from e-talk and, I just reached a million mile status with air Canada. And we started doing the math and she's like, that means you've been to LA like over 300 times.

And then for the whole weekend, everything, every time I opened a door, she's like, you've opened that door 300 times. And then for the whole weekend, every time I opened a door, she's like, you've opened that door 300 times. That's like speaking of George Clooney. It's up in the air for sure. A million miles. A lot of that was to Cannes, I think.

No, a few to Europe for sure. Yeah, so it's a way for studios. It's part of the business model of marketing a movie. And Ben, how many different reporters would talk to Ben in that for studios. It's part of the business model of marketing a movie. And Ben, how many different reporters would talk to Ben that day? It depends. I've seen

it as much as 60. And I've seen it as low as my goodness, 15. Let me ask, if there's an obvious question people want asked, he might get that 60 times. Is that right? Depending on what's going on? Or do you try to keep it interesting by asking different questions yeah i mean the key to the job is you know essentially everybody needs to kind of ask the question what to try to do to

this project right like right why are they like that's kind of the one of the main questions. The key to doing the job is to figure out how to ask that question 150 different ways. And, you know, when interns come in and they're like, when do I get to interview Brad Pitt? And I say, go and write what a tragedy this project and then write it 30 different ways. And then they do. And then I say, go and write it another 30 different ways.

Right. And that is, you know, and sometimes you succeed at it and sometimes you don't. But that is kind of the job, is whatever the question that pops into your mind, think about asking that in an interesting way. Think about using words that they haven't been hearing all day long. Do your work. I have a clip of you doing some of this and I want to play it, but would it make, can I play it now?

And then we answer Brian's questions or should we answer Brian's questions first? Let's answer Brian's questions. So what was his first? Okay. He wants names. You have to drop a name here. Okay.

Tommy Lee Jones. Tommy Lee. Okay. Tommy Lee Jones. Every outhouse, hen house. I don't know why he participates. What movie was it for? Do you remember?

Oh, I've done him a few times. He's made people cry. And he's a legend. But is he mean? Why are you promoting your movie being mean to these nice people doing their job? It makes no sense. So that's the rudest. Public persona versus how they really are.

That's an interesting one and well phrased. Like you never had a moment where like Tom Hanks chewed you out and you're like, wait a minute, Tom Hanks is a nice guy. What's he doing chewing me out? No, Tom Hanks wouldn't do that. Denzel Washington can have a little more edge than people think he has. In a great way. I'm not speaking disparagingly of Denzel Washington.

But he can certainly have a little bit more edge. I think that people think Marissa Tomei is a lovely person. And she's not. And I had a major crush on Marissa Tomei. Like a big time. Sorry. Wow. Sorry. Okay. I'm disappointed now. and I had a major crush on Marisa Tomei like a big time sorry wow sorry but okay

I'm disappointed now you've upset me here I'm sorry and then what was who I want to interview that I have not that's a great question I've been very lucky in my career and I've spoken to most famous people

of the last 20 years but somebody who has consistently alluded me is Demi Moore. And I would really like to meet and talk to Demi Moore. She was a, she was a seminal person in my life and she was, she was just so cool. Well, that was the Brat Pack. Yeah. I was there. Yep. St. Elmo's Fire.

Yep. No, I remember. And then she, you know, shaved her head for G.I. Jane and, you know, just wrap your head around how progressive that actually was and appeared naked, pregnant and with the painted body on GQ.

And she was just, she was really ahead of her time. And she had the younger man for a long time. She had Ashton for a long time. You know, Hollywood's kind of stereotypically known for, which is the older guy and the younger woman.

And this was a flip on that. I've always super dug her. I hope she has a comeback. I hope to see her again. I also think she's a fine actress. And Rumor Willis is doing stuff now. Yeah. Like Billions?

Is that what she's in? I think she's in that. I don't know. I don't watch that show. I don't either. I don't know. But, okay, great. And she named her kid

Rumor and Scout and Tallulah Bell. I mean, that's just brave, right? That's something. You ready to hear a little bit of yourself at these junkets?

I think these are junkets, but let's hear how this plays out. I don't. Right, so you've already approved these clips. Well, if you're looking

for the movie to come out at this year's Toronto International Film Festival with the most Oscar buzz, it would have to be Ben Affleck's third film as a director, Argo. I feel like, Ben, that this is the culmination of a bunch of things in your life that led you that this is the right story for you to tell right now. I think that's quite a student, particularly for your average junket interview. From one movie based on a true story to another,

Helen Hunt and John Hawks star in The Sessions. John Hawks is great. I'm blushing listening to this. I like talking about you talking under this is kind of fun.

No, I wish I did. I thought I do know that this year though is something like Oz and stuff. That was at Comic Con. I got drinking game from you

and I got actual shooting technique from you. It's been a very successful Strike Back interview for me. The Toronto International Film Festival is kicking off with a bang. That's Emily Blunt right there. She stars alongside Joseph Gordon-Levitt and Bruce Willis in Looper. Does anybody wear a white t-shirt like Bruce Willis?

No. Does anyone wear Levi's like Bruce Willis? That's a hard-hitting Terry Hart question. And we just talked about Bruce Willis. Bruce Willis walks into a room. The cool factor goes up tenfold. No. No, it's a nice compliment, though.

I understand that I get a chance to sit in this. Yes. Oh, yeah. That's me in the Batmobile. Doesn't that sound like the Batmobile? I remember that. That was Downsview Park, right? No, that was in Comic-Con in San Diego.

Because we don't have dollar bills. Where is there a magnet? That's when I tossed Matthew McConaughey a loony for the first Magic Mike movie and asked him where he would put that. All right, all right, all right. I'm hearing it. Mount Arvin.

Four years, 2008, the first time we saw you as Bella Swan. We're bringing up all these people. The small world. It's hard for me to distinguish the feeling of taking care of a character. What percentage of the movie are you wearing a shirt? A hundred, actually. It's CG, my body in the film.

Is there something in your person that kind of revels and rises to challenge and controversy? us a lot. Deep in meta. Comic-Con. Me showing I can do a stand-up. I need to update my demo reel. Oh, Sandra Bullock, I'm talking to her next week. Where are you going to talk to her? Here?

New York. You're good at this, jeez. Tell me a little bit about, for you, what that means, the maestro idea of bringing all these different instruments together to create a symphony.

I don't know if I can come up with an answer as good as your question. That was pretty good. How scary is it for you to write something, to draw something, and put it out there

knowing it's going to be up for interpretation? That was, for me, the biggest excitement about making this film. If she does a good interview, she gets a glass of rosé. I do?

Dustin Hoffman, I should maybe take that out now. Oh, no, the pressure's on. That's the worst part of the gig, having to take out the tarnished...

Let's get out of here. I would get out of here. Let's get out of here. I would get out of here. Oh, Ryan Gosling. Is that true? Are you guys hooked up? We did not hook up. He helped me make very good TV and I will always appreciate him for that because he can be

a tough interview. He knew you were Canadian so he gave you the special. On that list, I think the only guest you had that I feel I might be able to get was Sarah Pauly. She's spectacular. If you can talk to Sarah Pauly, my goodness, just do it.

In the Sweet Hereafter, she sings Courage. And it's still like, I still love listening to her version of Tragically Hip's Courage. It's a beautiful version. Sweet Hereafter is one of the movies that changed my life.

Tell me, because I love that movie. And I thought about it a lot when the Humboldt tragedy happened. I was thinking a lot of the... Absolutely. You know, I mean, firstly, it's a brilliant, brilliant film by Adam McGuigan. It dovetailed with a time that I was starting to get super active with the Canadian film community. And it was,

I wasn't raised in a super like, super or any arty family at all. We didn't go to the movies. We didn't have music in the house. We were, you know. You were Amish. Yeah. No, but it just wasn't what drove my parents.

You could have been Mennonites, right? Because that's not far from Brantford. We could have been, but we weren't. We were members of the Brantford Golf and Country Club and spent a lot of time curling and golfing and sitting by the pool. Yeah, we were. Well, I mean, you know, my mom was a nurse and my dad was a middle manager. So when I got into working at the Movie Network,

I had a lot of work to do to learn movies and to figure out my idea of movies. And The Sweet Hereafter was one of those movies that was one of the first movies that made me feel like I could do this. That I could talk about movies in a way that wasn't just the obvious way. And I remember doing an interview with Adam Egoyan who made the film and him he's a really generous uh person and a lovely human being and him saying to me in the interview wow you got it you really got it and I I I that is still the feeling that I look for all the time that like yeah I'm really connecting with a filmmaker an actor and talking about it on a level that is a bit different no very cool because uh i mean it's a lot of you

know it's a big movie not an obscure movie at all except uh you don't hear a lot about it and i'm often referencing it still like i think it was a very well-crafted movie and it really touched me like and i just thought it was a beautiful film. Yeah. And I mean, incredible performances. Bruce Greenwood is spectacular in it. Obviously, Sarah is luminescent. And then, you know, went on to have two Oscar nominations. I'll tell you a funny, weird story about this we were after. When you get nominated for an Academy Award, you get two tickets.

And so Adam was nominated twice for direction and writing. And he got four tickets. And he brought with him um him his wife arsenay who's lovely his mother and not at the time but ended up becoming my husband whoa yeah well does ryan gosling know about this guy that you've hooked up with here that's so why tell me why like who is your husband that he got my husband um used to run the Ontario division of telefilm and then went on to be the executive executive vice president of Alliance Atlantis when Alliance Atlantis was still around and they made movies and now he's an independent producer and so um he had been around for financing a lot of Adam's movies

through telefilm. And he and Adam had become very good friends and still are very good friends. And so my husband went to the Academy Awards with Adam McGowan. Well, if you listen to Toronto Mike, and you do sometimes, I love fun facts like that. I'm serious. I eat that stuff up. That's a great thing. You told it perfectly, too.

So kudos to you. That was a great, I mean, you told it perfectly too. So kudos to you. That was a great, a great small world, fun fact story. Now I'm going to, it wouldn't make, it wouldn't have meant anything if you weren't a sweet here after fan. And on Twitter,

when the Humboldt tragedy happened, like I'm not a, I'm not, I'm not a big prayers for Humboldt guy. I don't even, not even a Humboldt strong, but all I did was tweet Sarah Pauly singing courage. Like that was my tweet.

And cause that's, that's what I thought of. Yeah. Do you speak French? I do not. I, these glasses, I'm staring at the glasses again.

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Did you see Jane Fonda? She's 80 something and she doesn't look 50. So she's cleared the big 8-0. That's amazing. Yeah, she's amazing. I bet you she wears heels. I bet you she like runs in heels. She's amazing.

I saw her recently in the newsroom. She was like. I love that show. Yeah, she was like the owner. I want to say the owner of I love that show. Yeah, she was like the owner. I want to say the owner of the network or something. Yeah, she was. She was great in that.

I forgot she was in that. The Newsroom was a drag when they canceled that, man. Yeah, I watched it too. I loved Alison Pill in that. Alison Pill was great in that. And I like Sorkin stuff anyway. She's on Broadway now.

Is she? Mm-hmm. Is she still with... Was it Baruchel? Was he Jay Baruchel? Were they a couple at some point? They were a couple. I love Jay,

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$10? I certainly can't. All right, Terry. Traveling Terry. You mentioned, and I was embarrassed to ask it at the time. You mentioned Wingham, and I don't know where Wingham is. Is Wingham a place? Wingham is a place. It's in Midwestern Ontario. It's around

like Southampton is around there. It's the London area. I know the London area. So it's the Midwestern Ontario kind of area. Wingham is, at the time, Wingham was, it had an AM station, an FM station, and a television station, believe it or not.

It's big enough to have those three things. Yeah, it was big enough to have those. It was just a long time ago. So, you know, local TV was alive and well. And local radio was alive and well. And so that was my first radio job. I did that in between my first and second year in college. Because you went to Humber College.

I did. For radio broadcasting. And I guess, so you knew, so obviously you went in for radio broadcasting. So you had already decided before college what you wanted to do you wanted to be in the world of media or you just went in there on a lurch what happened i did go in on a lurch i wish i so wish i'd had um so i'm an october baby and so i was young when i was graduating high school and i was terrified of going to university i was you know my know, my brother was at U of T. He'd taken a year off to backpack through Europe. I heard a lot from my parents how expensive everything was.

The money scared me. I didn't know what I wanted to do. I kind of thought maybe I should, should be a teacher, but that was what I would like. I should do this. And then my high school drama teacher, Jeff Stahl, um, said, and I was, it was an anxious time for me and I wanted to do the right thing and Jeff Stahl said to me you know Terry there's a two-year program at Humber College for radio broadcasting and you know you're you're great and I think it would suit you well and if it doesn't it's only two years and then you can go to uni after that and you'll still only be 19. Right. And so it was not a big event in my life.

I don't remember applying. I remember the interview and they asked me why I wanted to be in radio. And I said something awful like, you know, I like to talk, which was not really a very well thought out answer. Somehow I got in. And then when I got in, I realized how passionate people were about radio and how much they love radio. And then I fell in love with radio. And Jerry Shaman, who was a teacher of mine, he lived the summers like in the wingham ontario and knew that every summer they hired for a summer cruiser position and he recommended me and i got the job so you're uh you're the wingham traveling wingham terry before your cf at wise traveling yeah no i was terry

bullock at wingham which is actually my real name oh that's a fun fact terry hearts fake i know are all hearts fake because heart is a great last name and you were inspired by cory hart of course no i wasn't but he came he came he was before me but he's not where i it heart is actually my maternal grandmother's maiden name okay so when i got the job at q107 uh bill carroll and perry goldberg hired me and they were kind of like, you know, yeah, we want to hire you, but we don't like your name.

I think they said it more kindly than that. And I had a, not even a bad name, Terry Bullock. It was at a time when everybody on the radio was changing their name. And so I had a name changing party when we did like Terry Thomas, Terry Thompson, Terry,

all the alliteration stuff that everybody was doing at the time. Yeah. And I hated everything. And then my mom called me the next day and said, what about Heart? It's grandma's maiden name, which I knew. And she pointed out that my grandma had two sisters and all three of them were married and changed their names. So the name died in any traditional sense. And so she said you know you'd kind of be carrying the name on it

could be your name if if you know the patriarchy was different right yes and uh so i became terry hart and the rest is history now so we did talk quite a bit about the CFNY Traveling Terry stuff off the top. I'm very interested in the Q107 stuff. So it's cool. Okay. Now, so you mentioned Bill Carroll. Everybody listening knows Bill Carroll. So he's the one who hired you?

Yeah. For some reason, I don't know, because I don't remember why the cruiser kind of, I think that it was like, I did an interview with Perry Goldberg, who was the promotions director at the time. And Bill Carroll, and I think Perry was kind of sussing out if I could do like the promotions part of it, like actually, you know,

because there were some things that you had to do other than just be on the radio. And then Bill was the guy who was figuring out if I could be on the radio. I had been on the radio at CKNX and CFNY, but this was, you know, that gig was amazing. It was the only entry level full time job in radio in the city of Toronto. Wow. So and Liza Fromer had done it before me and she was amazing. Like did she pass the baton to you?

Was this like a literal? She kind of did. You know, she was leaving radio to work in television. She was going to go to YTV or a production company that was... I remember the YTV show of Liza. I played a clip for her, yeah. Arcade Top Ten or something? Something like that.

Video and arcade. Maybe Nicholas Piccolis. You remember Nicholas Piccolis? I think he's in Buffalo now. Yeah, I think he's in Buffalo now yeah I think I remember these days so is that how you met Liza was through this

Q107 connection and do you remember any of the jocks at the time oh yeah I remember them all do you want to drop some of those names for me Brother Jake was doing mornings

then Scruff Connors was doing mornings Shirley McQueen Joy Vendetta Steve Worden who's still a very good friend of mine Bill Carroll Rory O'Shea, of course. The newsroom was...

But you glossed over Rory O'Shea, but you lived with Rory O'Shea. How do you know that? Am I not supposed to know that? Or is that off the record? Do I have to delete this later? No, no, no. Yes, I did live with Rory O'Shea. Okay, because you dropped him in a list. That's in a list i just uh that's where it's come now now you're asking me about my former romantic life

how did you know that i do my homework on this show come on you knew that you listened to i gotta be the brian linehan of podcasting here there's a lot of. There's a lot of pressure. So yeah, I mean really, Marshall Lederman worked in the newsroom. She was so great on the radio. She was incredible. Andy Frost, of course, was there too. Andy Frost just wrapping up his run at Q107

very shortly. Yeah, it was an amazing time to be at Q. We talked earlier about you know the success and failure of radio stations based on what popular music was you know when i was working at q man it was the mighty q like rock and roll was and it was new rock still it was it hadn't gone uh classic rock yet no no no it was new rock. And it was it was just I worked there for three years. It was Danny Kingsbury was my boss. He was a great boss. I learned so much from those people. Steve Warden still is one of the people who I admire most as an interviewer. I wish he was on the air. I wish I was able to hear him. He was so good on the 6 o'clock Rock Report. Bill Carroll, obviously, on Barometer.

Those were back in the days when we had talk regs. Right. You had, what did they call that? Scott Turner once explained this to me, but it was called foreground programming or something like that. Yeah, I forget what the name was. But you had a requirement, right? Yeah.

You had enough talk on your... That's why, because at the Rock radio station, we had a talk show from 1 till 2, hosted by Bill Carroll, Barometer, with a live audience. Yeah. And I remember the, was it the five o'clock Rock report? Six o'clock. Six o'clock. Yeah, I had it an hour early. Yeah.

And then at some point, I feel like Derringer hosted that at some point, or maybe I'm confusing my memory. John and I never worked together weirdly. I know John just professionally, but we never crossed paths in that building at the same time. I think he had gone to Montreal when I was in that building and I wasn't at Young and Bloor. I just missed Young and Bloor days and I was at 5255 Young Street. Is that Young and Norton? Young and Norton. Right,

right. Cause I just had Evelyn Macko on. So it's like, she was talking about the Young and Norton cause she was doing news at yeah for Q7 and 640 very interesting that Liza Fromer uh was a very popular uh guest uh people love that episode when she was on Toronto Mike and I've been trying to get her to come back and kick out the jams with me for a while now like and she's I think she even sent me her jams at some point and I gotta to close that deal, get Liza back. Cause she was fantastic. Absolutely. Uh,

and yeah, so I didn't know if I, if I got you, uh, with the Rory O'Shea thing, I didn't mean to throw you there, but, uh,

that's okay. I heard that possibly you were a couple, but you know, Hey, yeah, we were, we were a couple for a long time. How long?

Uh, four years. It's a good run yeah that was it was a very respectable run we did our best so how do you end up at the movie network uh well interestingly um so i was hosting a movie premiere uh if you don't remember the movie, Q107 used to sponsor movies, premieres all the time. And I would have to go and be like, hey, I'm Terry Harper from Q107 and give away some prizes and whatnot.

So I was doing that and the person from the studio said to me, hey, the Movie Network is starting a show. They're looking for a host. You should apply. And I'd never stood in front of a television camera before in my life. I was living with Rory at the time

and I went home and told him and he was like i'm gonna apply too and i'm like yeah you are um we were always smart enough to know that if somebody was looking for you know places know what they want they know if they want a guy they know if they want a girl they know if they want a brunette a blonde whatever this i'm talking like it was a different time in television too right right um and so we both applied for this job um and the person who hired who was doing the interviews Marlene um lovely person she looked at both of our resumes and said oh they both work they were only auditioning people who had television experience and I didn't um and she looked and said oh they both work at Q107 they were only auditioning people who had television experience and I didn't

and she looked and said oh they both work at Q107 it would be awkward if we didn't interview both of them so whatever just bring her in too and I went for the audition and got a call back and ended up getting the job and fun fact

yeah I love fun facts Rory is now married to Marlene. Who hired me at the movie network. It happened way after Rory and I had split up. He was working at the weather network. This Canadian media landscape, I'm telling you, Terry, it's mind-boggling, the connections. I actually, I want, because I'm a big fan of The Wire,

and there's this detective, Freeman, who has this, it's like a bulletin board, but all the pieces, he connects them on the thing. Like I always want to connect the pieces. Everybody, it's all so like such a small, small universe. It's a small universe. Luckily, most of us behave very well and are good people. Luckily, and all the good people end up in my basement. That's how you know who the good people are, by the way.

So yeah, so I, so then I got the job and I quit Q107. And you were at the Movie Network for 18 years? That's a long time. 18 or 19. I think the resume I sent you said 18, but our recurring theme here is how bad we are at math. It's 19 years. Yeah, it was a very long time and it was

great and I wouldn't have changed a thing. My job changed a ton of times while I was there. It's not like I was doing the same thing for 19 years. The industry changed a ton. But you were essentially the face of the network. Yeah.

You were the face of TMN. I was. Yeah, I was literally the only person at astral astral owned the movie network who had that job because we weren't a traditional television station we were more of a broadcaster right um they did go on to buy standard radio so there were a bunch of radio people on air but i was the only person at Astro who was on TV. It was a really unique and wonderful time. I worked for still one of my best friends and an incredible mentor to me, Heather Senst, who was our creative director.

Incredible talent came through that building. Working for the Greenberg family was an intense honor. They were wonderful people. Ian would come into my office and ask me what movies to bring his grandkids to and take me for a cup of tea. It was just, and you know, our offices were above the Hockey Hall of Fame and BCE Place, so it was pretty swank to work there. It was all good.

Young and front, I guess it is. Yeah. It was a really good run. And then life changed. Okay. Before life changes, though. So Astro buys up these standard stations from the Slate family, I guess. And that includes, of course, stations like News Talk 1010.

So that opened up. That was an opportunity for you to kind of go back into radio a bit. Yeah. And I mentioned earlier, Richard Krauss, because he's a recent guest. So he's a top of mind. His episode.

Did you listen to his episode? I did. Oh, you did. Good. I thought he was great. Like, and I think it's funny because like,

I don't think, I don't think people know a lot about Richard Krauss. They just know him as the movie guy and they know his face. But I think when you learn about Richard Krauss, he becomes even more likable. So fun fact about Richard Krauss. He talked about his wife quite a lot in that episode. Andrea, his wife and I shared an office together at TMN.

She is a producer and editor, incredibly talented. If you think Richard's talented, he doesn't hold anything. Oh, I said he was nice. I didn't say he was talented. Let's not get carried away here. But yeah, Richard and I have been at the can film festival together richard and i have covered eight million years of the toronto international film festival together um i have i love him he he's been at both of my weddings was he the bartender at your wedding

he was not the bartender but my first wedding um he actually, you know how you give people gifts for coming to your wedding? We did up a CD with our favorite songs on it. And Richard burned all 150 of those CDs for us. And that was the first wedding? That was my first wedding. Didn't last long. How long did that one last? I've had two weddings too, by the way.

First wedding. Didn't last long. How long did that one last? I've had two weddings too, by the way. That one, well, I was met and married in like 10 months. So that was probably not the... Yeah, it was very fast. It was probably not the smartest thing I've ever done. But I wanted to get married and he wanted to marry me.

So it seemed to be a reason to do it. And it lasted less than two years. It happens. You know, it happens. It happens years it happens you know it happens it happens but then you got it right so this this new chap uh you're still in love with this guy look at my eyes when you ask me to say okay and how long have you been married to this chap and does he have a name are we allowed to say he does have a name his name is bill house okay um we have been married uh here's how i say it we it will be eight years that we've been married in august we bought our house 12 years ago and we were together like a year before that so why get

married though because it sounds like like i don't understand is it you wanted to get married no i didn't want to get married at all he wanted to get married yeah that's how that's happened to me the second time too i didn't want to get married the second time and my second wife wanted to get married. So we ended up married. He just for some reason decided that and I said to him, all right, if you can figure out a way. But is he religious? Like was there religion involved? No.

Because usually it's, although I don't know. Anybody listening that knows Bill is laughing right now. I don't know Bill. Like for all I know Bill is a pious man. He's he has a child and she's right now. I don't know Bill. Like for all I know, Bill is a pious man. He's, um, he has a child. Um,

and she's, and she's older. Bill's older than I am. And, um, he had never been married though. So he has Alex, but he and Kay,

Alex, his mom had never actually gotten married. And for some reason it just became important to him. Okay. And I said, if you can figure out a way to do it that's going to be different than how I got married the first time, which was like, I got married at Casa Loma the first time,

then I will do it. And he said without hesitation, he said, great, we'll do it in our backyard with 60 people. Yeah, that's my kind of wedding. And so we, there was no family. And you ordered pizza. Well, no, we had amazing food. Richard Crouse was the bartender in the back yard. No, but he drank a lot of beer.

We had our line in the sand of who could be invited was, have we been to their house for dinner, and have they been to our house for dinner? Good rule. I like that. Because we had to only invite 60 people. It was tough. It's funny. At some point, I wanted to pur because we had to only invite 60 people. It was tough. It's funny.

At some point, I wanted to purge my Facebook friends. So my rule was, would I meet this person for coffee? That was the rule, right? Yeah, that's pretty cool. And if I want to meet this person for coffee, I purged them. Bye-bye. Gone. All right.

So now, you said that was eight years ago you got married to Bill House. I like the name House. I'm going to call him House from now. That's great. I'm happy for you. And I'm glad Richard Krauss was there for both. So am I. And outside of outside of family members, is there a large like there can't be that many who are at both. I'm going to guess. Or maybe I'm maybe I'm way out of line. No, there were a few of my friends all 60 of them there were a few of my friends that were at both but in you know intrinsically sometimes your social circle changes a little bit sure um and the first wedding was very family like all my aunts and uncles and cousins and that whole very traditional thing and this was not that this was you know my mom and dad were there and my brother and sister-in-law and my three nephews.

Of course. And obviously his daughter and... And Richard Krauss, which is really all you need, I think, to have a party. Well, that's all you need. But yeah, it was a very happy, lovely day. And so back to News Talk 1010 for a moment.

You contributed to the Richard Krauss show. I did. On News Talk 1010. We had. You contributed to the Richard Krauss show. I did. On News Talk 1010. And also recent guests as well. I see now why you're listening to Toronto Mike. All your colleagues and friends are joining up. You were co-hosting Live Drive with Ryan Doyle. Yeah, that happened right after I was let go from Bell,

which speaks to... Right, because Bell bought Astral. Yeah. So, you know, Bell bought Astral, and so that left me all of a sudden no longer being the only person who is on TV within the company that you work for. Why? Why?

There's got to be a story there. Was it simply cost-cutting? Why were you turfed from TMN when everybody loves you? I say this with no guile at all. They made the same business decision I would have made, which is they put eTalk on TMN. And I would have made that exact same decision. Well, why not add you to eTalk? I think that they tried.

I think that they, and ultimately it's an executive decision of that budget line is gone. Okay. And I get it. They were very kind to me. I was back in the building. Is eTalk,

is that the place where Tanya Kim was? Yes. I get my E's mixed up sometimes. Yes. Tanya was there. And then they let her go at some point as well. Her and I get my E's mixed up sometimes. Tanya was there. And then they let her go at some point as well. Her and I were let go on the same day. That's okay.

Okay. Come on. That's okay. Okay. Look, I know it's a tough business and there's shareholders and there's these budget lines you refer to. I just think 19 years at TMN and you're a budget line.

Like, I don't know. Well, 19 years at TMN, most of which was for Astro where I was, I never you're a budget line. Like, I don't know. Well, 19 years at TMN, most of which was for Astro where I was, I never felt like a budget line, but you know, when you work for corporations, you know, the intimacy of your relationship with the organization that you work with intrinsically changes. You hope you have great relationships with the people you report to your immediate team, the department you work in all that. But you can't expect a Bell or a Rogers or a Chorus

to not look at it as a business and budget lines. That's how the industry has evolved. Okay. You sound so sad. I'm sad for you. I'm sad for you. 19 years. That was a good run, though.

And then... But today, you're at Rogers Television. I am. So how do you... Because you left. So Bell Media said goodbye. And Rogers said, come on board. What was the gap between those two events?

So I lost my job in November of 2014. And then I started freelancing immediately um to bring liza back into the conversation please anytime i love this liza um i started doing movie reviews for the morning show and then i filled in for her a couple times when she was sick hosting the morning show and that was the global one yep that was global and still is global oh yeah that's right it's still there again it is still there okay um and then i was freelancing at news talk 10 10 co-hosting afternoon drive with ryan doyle and you know that that is kind of indicative of how kind bell was to me when they let me go that's a good point you didn't burn any bridges no. When they're letting you back in the building, I think it was 10 days later,

to co-host an afternoon drive show on radio, they were very kind to me. The example I always use is Mad Dog, because Mad Dog, and I hope I get my... Mad Dog was the morning show guy at Virgin 99.9, 999, whatever they call that place now.

And he's the morning show guy, they let him go and they said goodbye. They, you know, he's walked out of the building, whatever, but he's today, he's the afternoon drive. He's co-hosting with Ryan Doyle on 1010,

which is also a Bell Media. So like, yeah, it sounds like if you, as long as you don't light a match on your way out or whatever, you can, you can, you can keep these business relationships and come back. Yeah. So, was doing stuff at global i was doing stuff um back about news talk

um the film festival hired me for some freelance gigs the canadian academy hired me for some freelance gigs it was super fun and then rogers called and i started freelancing there in, I think it was like May of 2015. So whatever that November till May. And I started freelancing there. That's pretty quick. Yeah, it was quick. Yeah, that's fine. And I was working a lot in that time.

So that was nice. And, you know, because when you work somewhere for 19 years, what was the scariest about being let go is that I didn't know if anybody knew who I was, if anybody wanted to work with me, if I had a reputation. I just didn't know because I'd never had to face it. I'd had a comfortable job for 19 years. And then I was very pleasantly surprised that my phone rang and people reached out to me on any ways that they can and i was working really quickly afterwards no good for you and i'm gonna read your title now because you probably don't even know your own title i don't think i do reporter and senior producer for the entertainment division of rogers television god that's a big title sounds big does that fit on a business card

no i don't even have a business card good because, good, because you couldn't fit that anyway. And now, okay, so now that you're in the Rogers family, that means like, for example, Breakfast Television is in the Rogers family. So how often will your face be seen on BT? Every day. So we produce a daily pack. It's kind of industry speak here.

I like industry speak. I like to pretend I'm in the industry. So we produce a daily pack called Entertainment City that airs on all the BTs across the country. Right. And I front that kind of every other day. And I do tons of interviews that air within the pack. So today I fronted it,

and it was my interview that I did yesterday with Keith Urban. And tomorrow... And he's a country singer. He's a country singer. Well, he's more... He's crossing over quite a bit and he's also married to Nicole Kidman.

Oh, yeah. He's the Australian guy. Is he Australian? Yeah. Because Nicole's also Australian. Yes. I do know this guy because he was

American Idol judge. Yes, he was. I'm with you now. So, yeah. We have a team that produces that. We also file for news daily so i do that every other day um so so you're busy like this is a lot of daily deliverable and you know you got it's always got to be like super fresh yeah like right now i i think we joked

about this when you got to the door but right now i don't know heaven forbid clint eastward were to pass away right now don't say that heaven i said heaven i don't know, heaven forbid Clint Eastwood were to pass away right now. Don't say that. Heaven forbid. I said heaven. I don't even believe in heaven. And I said, heaven forbid. Oh, my goodness. I prefaced it. Now you're checking to see if Clint's doing okay. I just had to.

My brain's like, think of an old famous movie guy. Oh, Clint Eastwood. Let's make sure if anybody's trending on Twitter, buddy. No, come on. We've only been recording an hour. He didn't have time to die. Okay. Okay.

But the fact is uh that sets off a whole uh chain of events for you right like you're you're on rogers things talking about clint yeah right or yeah like talking about margot kidder let's let's actually use her because let's use margot kidder because she's actually dead yeah she actually died and just just to bring it back to the great richard krauss i envision like all the Bell Media stations have Richard's face at the same time you're on all the Rogers stations, am I right? You guys are covering the whole gamut. Okay, so tell me what happens when

Margot Kidder passes away. Well, I mean, we'd already written our Cannes story. We had written it on the women's silent protest led by Cate Blanchett, who's the president of the jury. Everything written, our editor had started cutting it, got all the, you know, my job of being an entertainment reporter.

That was the daily news story. And then boom, Margot Kidder dies. And then you just, so that, bye-bye. And you get into writing an obit mode. And you write that and you, you know, try and see if there's anybody who you can clip um to an interview with which there wasn't and that is news that is entertainment news you know i mean there's the crazy tom petty when he was dead not dead dead not dead yeah i remember that um that was

terrible yeah and i was on news live that night so you know it's so even even uh because you're an entertainer i I guess, right, we don't want to pigeonhole you as the movies person because you're actually the entertainment person because Tom Petty is a musician. Yeah, I mean, I am entertainment now.

I mean, my life was squarely movies and movies and then, you know, television. So I was around at TMN when, you know, The Sopranos happened and The Wire and things... Six Feet Under and all this good stuff. Six Feet Under changed television, right? Began the golden age of television.

So I covered all those premium tier television shows. So I was pretty well versed in TV and movies. Certainly music is stuff that I have to work a lot harder at when I'm doing interviews because it's not ingrained. But does Rogers not have like a music person? You know how like Alan Cross is like the chorus person?

Is he? Oh, he's an independent freelancer actually. Yeah, he's ongoing history. I always get that confused. But he'll be your, if a musician dies,

somebody reaches out to Alan Cross. Yes, somebody reaches out to Alan Cross. Yeah. I just wondered if Bell Media doesn't have the music person? I don't know. I just wondered if Bell Media doesn't have the music person.

I don't know. Not Bell Media. You're Rogers. These cable companies. I can't keep them straight. I guess there's somebody. I know people. Sarah Boesfeld who's a writer for Chatelaine is a huge country music fan.

Sarah has been on the show and she kicked out the jams with me. She's a huge, huge country music fan. She's been on this show. Oh, has she? Yeah, Sarah has been on this show and she kicked out the jams with me. Well, she's a huge country fan. She is, yeah. If somebody in the country music world had died, I would reach out to Sarah. But I just happen to know her personally and I know, so I know that.

But, you know, when Gord Downie died, I think I was the person, I had written that obit. I had spent a lot of time i knew the hip and was a big fan of the hip for a long time i just remembered i'm wearing my hip t-shirt you are buddy you are the hip okay um and so you know i came i i did breakfast television that morning you know they they released the statement at about quarter to nine that he had died and I was just I just happened to be getting in at that time um and yeah that was a tough day that was a that

was not a fun day no okay that's yeah so uh no that was that was the worst day so yeah to answer your question yeah um I think people in Rogers would come to me if it was a movie thing. But at all of our Rogers television stations and all of our Rogers radio stations, they have their own experts, right? They do have their own voices. And that works. The BTs across the country would have their own hosts and stuff that they would use. No, I hear. I've had the great Kevin Frankish on this show.

Oh, the great Kevin Frankish. You ever heard of Kevin Frankish? The great Kevin Frankish. And he was fantastic on this show. But yeah, that's great that you're on The Breakfast Television. Absolutely. They're a great, they're an amazingly talented team, the BT team here in Toronto. But here's my thing.

So you package this, what did you call it? Entertainment City? Yeah, Entertainment City. So that's a package that goes to all the BT team here in Toronto. But here's my thing. So you package this, what did you call it? Entertainment City? So that's a package that goes to all the BTs across the country. But you also, you appear live on the Toronto one? Sometimes. So I'll appear live on the Toronto one the day after, so when nomination days happen or the day

after the Academy Awards or when Gore died. Big, big stuff. You know, I appear live. Cool. Very cool. So I do that too. Very, very cool.

Some of the big names you've just, I just took a little list of the bigger names, but Angelina Jolie, Brad Pitt, Julia Roberts, Johnny Depp, Leonardo DiCaprio, Steven Spielberg, Will Ferrell. So you've had some... I got to start over. Never heard of her. I'm sorry. I've never heard of her. I don't know who that is.

That's fantastic. And you mentioned TIFF a couple of times, but I don't know. It says here you've been to 20 TIFFs. I guess that number grows by one every year, right? Yeah, so this year will be my 23rd Toronto International Film Festival covering it. My first one was 1996.

Unfortunately, that doesn't give you any more miles with Air Canada. No, it doesn't. You've got to drive to that one. Yeah. Very interesting. Okay, now I'm going

to ask you, may I get personal with you? Yes, you may. Okay. So, imagine you said no, I'd have to delete this whole thing because you mentioned,

so yes, I consider Sarah Bosvale to friend now, Sarah, because we'll DM each other different comments. And her appearance I really enjoyed because she's not a name people know, even though she writes for Chatelaine, of course. But, I mean, if you don't read Chatelaine, you're not really, I don't think you're familiar with the name Sarah Bosvale.

Like, I had to learn a bit about her. And she's very interesting, and the stories she covers are very interesting. So I read it. I was naturally curious. So you're coming on, and I was reading a a discussion i guess it was an article that sarah wrote wrote about infertility yeah okay so that's a fun topic yeah i know let's change it well that's yeah come on this sometimes it gets heavy on the show but uh this is i mean i read this and it was like wow like you you really you really opened up about uh your struggle to conceive yeah it was like, wow, like you, you really, you really opened up about, uh,

your struggle to conceive. Yeah. And I would never, by the way, I never asked you this except you put it in an article that I read. I did it. So, um, so I had been super private about the struggle and the long challenging part of my life and my husband's equally and uh obviously city line um is produced out of the building that i work in um sandra chronopolis who's a

supervising producer of city line asked me if i would come on the show and talk about my struggles with infertility. And I automatically said no. And then I went home and told Bill and my husband, and he was like, you know, it's been long enough now. And there's still so much out there in the world about infertility that is wrong. Well, so many women are struggling with this right now. And having somebody like Terry Hart share her story, I'm talking about you like you're not here,

you're a third person now, but sharing her story, I think that would offer some comfort to somebody who's going through this right now. Yeah, I think that it was amazing. You know, there, there were a couple of reasons that I decided to do it. One that is, is kind of be brave enough to and you know, I hate using the word brave, like, come on, it's I didn't run into a burning building. I, my body didn't work and it was something that I went through for six years and it was very difficult. And I thought if I can talk about it, I might actually give other people some language to be able to talk about it. Um, and I also, you know, the infertility story as we see it now is that, oh, I struggled with infertility, but I ended up with a baby.

And it was important to me that there was somebody and it seemed it was me that I struggled with infertility and I did not end up with a baby. And not everybody does. And in this super mummy obsessed culture and which uh, which it's really everywhere. I just thought it was important. And that was, that was the important part of the story for me is that infertility doesn't, you know, this struggle with infertility is one thing being infertile is another thing.

Right. Uh, yes. And I can only imagine, I can only imagine. So, uh, some woman, it seems, you know, it seems to come really easy. Like they, uh, you know, and then I can, you know, I, I mean, there's, I've, I, I know some people who have of course struggled with this and, you know, they'll maybe their best friend is pregnant with her third child or whatever. And it can really, it can really hurt. Right. Because you're,

and there's different stories and I don't know your story, but sometimes a woman or some women are able to get pregnant, but they can't keep it. Like, and, and that was kind of me. Like I was able to get pregnant like five times, but I couldn't sustain the pregnancy.

And I can only imagine, uh, like I said, I honestly can only imagine cause I'm lucky enough that I, I had four kids, two kids, two women. It was two times two. Math. I'm getting better at the math, Terry. Thank you so much

for your tutoring. I mean, Bill. Bill House? Is this his name? I like the name House. I can only imagine, I guess, when you see the physical evidence or whatever that the pregnancy is over, and that happens multiple times. My goodness, like, that is tough.

Like, I'm even now thinking about it. It's just, I can only imagine how it must feel. Yeah, it was a really difficult time without question. And, you know, when we decided, I mean, there were multiple reasons that we decided to stop trying. And I won't get into it because that's another, I don't think that's for this audience. But it was all just, can I swear? Yeah. It was all just kind of shitty and difficult and hard.

and difficult and hard. And, um, there, I had many friends who had had similar stories and had struggled and it had helped getting pregnant and whatnot and just nothing worked. Like I was just, it was really, cause you saw it,

uh, treatments, uh, like fertility treatments or whatever. And that can be, uh, that can be pricey, right?

Like these are expensive fertility treatments. Yeah. Um, so, so yeah, it can be pricey, right? Like these are expensive fertility treatments. Yeah. Yeah. And that's the thing. So, yeah, it was, you know, we, we stopped just before my 41st birthday and I'm 46 now. So that was like five years. Can I tell you, I wasn't sure of your age. I know your age, but that's, that's amazing. 46. You look much younger. We're going to take a photo after and I promise you, everybody will concur. You look much younger than I do. Well, I'll be 47 in October. So yeah. So, you know, it's been years now and, and I, it is just, um, it's, you know, we all have

parts of our lives that are more challenging than others. This was certainly a big challenge in my life. I'm lucky that I came through it the way I did. I'm lucky I'm still married because a lot of marriages don't survive those kinds of things. And then I got super lucky that I had an outlet and I was, and that outlet presented itself when I was emotionally ready to share the story. And then the amount of love that I got back from people. And I mean, I got a letter from a woman who was, I don't know, 60 years old. And she said it's the first time she'd actually seen herself in her own story on television. And that was just all I needed to know that I had made the right decision to go on City

Line and talk about this. Tracy Moore is a friend and she's an incredibly talented broadcaster. I trusted her and Sandy and Donna who produced the segment implicitly to kind of take care of me. Um, cause it was, it was, I was worried and, um, you know, I'm really, at the end of the day, Mike, I'm super proud that I did it. Um, and, And then have kind of, you know, afterwards everybody's like, are you going to write a book? Are you going to,

like, what if you start talking about it? And then I just don't want that to be the thing that I'm talking about all the time. So, you know, because then if you write a book, then you have to promote the book.

And then I have to just keep telling that story all the time. And that's not fun. Right, you don't want this to define you. Yeah. There's so much more than this. This is a struggle

that you had to deal with. It's just a part of the picture. Speaking of breakfast television, I remember being upset because, and Dina tweeted this. So Dina tweeted, people,

I guess people like to come up to Dina and ask her when she's having kids or something, right? Offside, man. Like you can never, and Offside, man. You can never... I swear, you never know. Yes, there are some couples that choose not to have kids

and there are other couples like yourself who want to have kids but physically can't. I can't imagine anything more hurtful than going up to somebody in that second camp. You shouldn't say either camp, to be honest. How hurtful it must be when someone asks when are you having kids yeah who are you to do this will people please anyone listen stop doing like never ask a woman when she's having kids because you have no idea what

she's dealing with you have no idea and you know infertility is an epidemic um people are waiting longer to have kids environmental environmental issues, whatever. You know, I'm not a doctor, but, you know, there's a reason there are however many infertility clinics in the city of Toronto that there are now. And there are a lot of them. So, you know, just, it's none of your business. People think that they're just having conversation.

It's not just conversation. It can be a serious... It's rude. It is rude. It can be a serious trigger for people and you know there were times that i was in it and maybe not coping as well as i cope now and you know i remember maybe responding to that question in not the most um you should say f you should be the response well terry no i think I just was a little bit more passive aggressive than that. You know, I remember one day saying to somebody, I can't.

And then, and then it's just awkward. So I didn't want to make that happen again. But, you know, it's not for some people, that question, for many people, that question isn't a simple yes or no or I want to or I don't. It's not a simple response. And really, at the end of the day, why do people think it's anybody's business? At the end of the day, it's nobody's business. Yeah. And it should stop right there.

Yeah. So I remember because Dina, I guess Dina also opened up that she tried and couldn't. Yeah, I don't know Dina's story. I know this was, I believe that was it. And then she opened up about, you know, because I saw on Twitter people asking her like, yeah, when are you having kids? So even if it's your, I don't know, your daughter-in-law or your, you know,

it doesn't matter, your cousin, whatever. None of your business. Shut up. Yeah, just shut up. Stop, just shut up. One last thing on this and then we'll move on. I want to play a jam and talk to you about that. Can you tell me a little bit about this egg donor clinic?

There's an egg donor. This was in the article, too, this era thing. I don't know. You don't have to, obviously. No, it's okay. So when we decided that my body had had enough and could do no more we were going to go the egg donor route um we it's a complicated medical thing to get another person's a body all matched up with your body all that had happened we were three

days before the transfer and the clinic was shut down by the rcmp so we lost all our money we lost the egg we lost everything wow and i might lost the egg. We lost everything. Wow. And I might have lost my mind for a period of time, like 12 hours. I'm losing my mind thinking about it. So I can't imagine what happened. But so the RCMP shuts this down. Yeah. Somebody had claimed that Lea Picard, who ran the clinic, was in the business of like

baby trading and stuff you know fertility is still um legally a gray area what you can you cannot legal i don't know if this is still the case and i don't want to talk out of my ass about something that could have changed in the time but at the time you couldn't pay somebody for their fertility so i can't pay somebody for their, you do pay them, but you do it under the guise of other things. And, you know, if you're, if you're working at a clinic where it's an egg donor clinic or a sperm to sperm donor clinic, you're at the end of your rope, right? Like you've been through years of trying everything you can. And if that doesn't help out, you know, so tensions and emotions are at like 11 or 882. And somebody claimed

that Lea Picard was behaving illegally and the RCMP literally went in and shut her down. I believe the clinic is operating now. Again, I don't know.

And I have no interest in talking about it. I know you don't want to, but you really should write a book about this. Because I think this is like a... You've already heard from people who are a 60-year-old woman is a great example. But there's a lot of... And that's the thing.

This is something women don't talk about. But you never know who's dealing with this. And I think if we knew actual numbers, I think there's a lot of women dealing with oh yeah yeah and and you know just finally the thing about kids i mean you have four is no matter how we're all walking miracles like walking miracles actually making a baby and having a baby and then having that baby be safe and healthy and happy and then going into teenage years and no matter where we are and like we're walking miracles and it's something that the experience taught me profoundly

that's quite the segue, Terry. It's so good, isn't it? It is great. There's far too many of you dying. It is great. Marvin Gaye's What's Going On. Yes. It's a perfect song. You know we've got to find a way To bring some love and care today Picket lines and picket signs Don't punish me with brutality Talk to me so you can see

Oh, what's going on? What's going on? Yeah, what's going on? Oh, what's going on? What's going on? He's just waiting for that chorus. So tell us, I mean, as if it needs an explanation. Why do you love this song?

I don't know. It's a song that, you know, that's a really hard question I get asked a lot from people, what's your favorite movie? And it's impossible for me to answer it And I think I said to you I said play this song and I'll go with this song It's an unfair question

But music, movies They're all about emotion to me It's how I want to feel the thing about this song is no matter how I'm feeling it makes me feel huge like it just makes everything it's so beautiful his voice is just like velvet and you know the actual music is brilliant. And the lyrics. And it's aspirational. It's just a great song.

And what I was thinking about, this is one of the songs I was thinking about. Just saying, you know, my favorite song. And I was kind of thinking of some Prince songs that I super dig. And then I was driving to Prince Edward County with my friend Jessica Edwards. And we were listening to this local Prince Edward County radio station. It's like a volunteer radio station. It's super cool. Oh, wow.

And this came on. And I couldn't tell you the last time. And I was like, this has to be the song. It was a meant to be moment. Beautiful. So close to Steve Anthony yet so far on that trip. Are the breakfast television people happy Steve has quit CP24? What's the inside scoop on that?

You know, I can't answer that question. I don't think they are happy you know the two shows are very different but they are definitely competitors oh yeah yeah they compete for that morning audience for sure and steve i don't know but uh steve was bragging on this show about uh he was bragging that cp24 had more listeners than breakfast television about he was bragging that CP24 had more listeners than Breakfast Television. He was really proud of this. And this is like a couple of weeks before he quits or before he announces he's quitting or whatever.

And I just wonder maybe the big name Steve Anthony had a big part to do with that. Maybe this is a chance for Breakfast Television to get back on top. Yeah. I mean, I'm not in that numbers game. Like I don't look at the numbers.

I don't, I don't look at the numbers. I don't, you know, I think that the breakfast audience, um, is changing. Like all television audiences are changing.

I believe that Dina and Kevin are huge, huge talents. Winston C is such a wonderful on your personality. I believe that Dina and Kevin are huge, huge talents. Winston C is such a wonderful on your personality. I think I love Carrie, who's our new traffic girl. She's great. You can't beat Frank on weather. I think they have an incredible team. And that's the on air group. The producers working on that show are tireless. They have the craziest shifts and they have to go in there and make, you know, what is it? Three and a half hours of live TV every single day. It's

a punishing shift and they do it and they love it. They still have fun. They still, I really, I'm very lucky to be around them. Super talented people. Will you say hi to Kevin for me next time? I will. He's on vacation right now. He was a great he was, well you were great. Super talented people. Will you say hi to Kevin for me next time? I will.

He's on vacation right now. He was a great, he was, well, you were great. Oh my goodness. This was fantastic. But Kevin was also fantastic.

And if you should go back and listen to the Kevin Frankish episode, that's your homework. All right. I will. Terry, thanks so much for doing this. Traveling Terry. Sorry.

So many names. Terry Bullock, if I may. Yeah. I like, Terry Hart works. Terry Hart, I think it's the four characters, the four characters. It just seems kind of like movie stars. I kind of dig it. Thanks to my grandma.

And I dig those glasses. So I might have to steal those. I'm not sure. And that brings us to the Thanks for the beer. Oh, courtesy of Great Lakes Brewery. And they're just glad

that, are you going to share any with House? House might get, I've got a birthday party to go to on Saturday, so maybe I'll share with more than House.

Let me know where to be on Saturday and I'll join you. How's that? Sorry, House, I'm moving in here. And that brings us to the end of our 336th show.

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