Toronto Mike'd: The Official Toronto Mike Podcast - The Big Uh-Oh!: Toronto Mike'd #1163

Episode Date: December 2, 2022

In this 1163rd episode of Toronto Mike'd, Mike shares a conversation he had with Mary Jo Eustace and Rae Dawn Chong about what happened with Dean McDermott and Ex's & Uh-Oh's! Toronto Mike'd is proudly brought to you by Great Lakes Brewery, Palma Pasta, Yes, We Are Open, The Advantaged Investor, Canna Cabana, StickerYou, Ridley Funeral Home and Electronic Products Recycling Association.

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The lowest prices on cannabis. Guaranteed. And Sammy Cohn Real Estate. Ask Sammy any real estate questions at sammy.cohn at properlyhomes.ca. Less than four weeks ago, I recorded episode 115 of Toronto Mic'd. That episode featured Dean McDermott and Mary Jo Eustace. It was a fun chat as we celebrated the launch of X's and Uh-Oh's, their new podcast I was proud to produce.

Well, things have changed. Well, things have changed. All is explained in episode three of X's and Uh-Oh's. The role of Dean is being played by yours truly. Hi, hi, everybody, and welcome to the number one podcast in the world, X's and O's with Mary Jo Eustace. And I'm so excited to be here alone in my bedroom on a Monday afternoon. And if you have been following our podcast, like the millions of people who have been following this amazing podcast, you're probably noticing there's a different guy here. And the person that I usually co-host the

podcast is absent. And that person happens to be my ex-husband, Dean McDermott. Now, we started this podcast together because we had a real intention to reconnect as friends. So I came up with like this whole 12-step program that I would come up with an idea for every show and I would interview Dean about it, how to become friends, starting from when you get divorced to the 12-step is when you graduate and you're friends. Well, we made it two episodes. Okay. So I guess that I am on the list. I'm on the list. I'm not getting along with my ex. And we were actually in a professional business space environment, really with good intention to make this work and to show the universe that we could do this. Well, we fucked up because we didn't get through it. But what I am fascinated about is why we didn't

get through it. So I am ready to dive in super, super deep, take responsibility for my, what's the word, for my involvement in it to examine it. I'm curious, can we really ever get along with our ex? So we actually had something happen that was sort of like a mini Hiroshima. And I would like to introduce our producer. He's super hot. He represents the Ridley Funeral Home. He's in Toronto. I'm in Los Angeles. And I'd like to throw it to Mike Boone because he has produced 11 or 12 episodes of X's and O's with Dean McDermott and I, and now he's producing solo Mojo. So we would like to share our story, why we're here,

and why it's so important for us to take this platform we have and really move forward and turn it into something even more extraordinary. Can I say that, Mike? Does that sound good? Absolutely. MJ, nice to be here on X's and Uh-Oh's. Uh-Oh's with you, too. See, Dean could never nail that, right? He always said, Uh-Oh's. It's Uh-Oh's. Uh-Oh's. Now, just a little backstory. Dean McDermott and I were married for 17 years. And, you know, if you've listened to this, you probably know in 17 years ago, he left me for his co-star,

Tori Spelling, after they did a Lifetime movie. That sets a template. Fast forward 17 years ago he left me for his co-star Tori Spelling after they did a Lifetime movie. That sets a template. Fast forward 17 years later, we were friends for a bit. So I'd like to discuss what happened because I think it's really the meat and potatoes of what this whole thing is about. So about a week and a half ago, Dean and I were promoting our podcast, X's and O's, and getting amazing traction and having people write in and listen to it and loving the whole experience of us reconnecting and going through the nitty gritty of what happened to us and healing. Looking back, well, it's only a week, objectively, I think the healing was to the bone for Dean, because I'm not sure if he had processed as much as, as I have or have not.

And I say this with love and respect because the intent was so good. So, but a week and a half ago we were doing a radio show, right? It's not a podcast. It's a radio show. It's a podcast. Oh, it was a podcast. Tell us, tell our listeners about the podcast that Dean and I did last week out of Canada.

Absolutely. So Humble and Fred were a long time morning show duo in Toronto, Tell our listeners about the podcast that Dean and I did last week out of Canada. Absolutely. So Humble and Fred were a longtime morning show duo in Toronto, Ontario, Canada. And they're, especially for people our age, MJ, they're famous. 30s and our 30s or 40s. Right. Generation X. Okay.

Generation X. So Humble and Fred had the morning show on CFNY, which is a legendary Toronto station, 102.1 The Edge. They did that until I think from like 1989 to 2001, and they were on a couple of different stations, and now they podcast. And here's where the world gets smaller. So I'm lucky enough I got to

produce X's and Uh-Oh's with Dean McDermott and Mary Jo Eustace, but I also produce Humble and Fred's podcast. And we had a chance to promote X's and O's on Humble and Fred. So I arranged for you two to zoom in at the ungodly hour of 5.15 a.m. California time. Yeah, it sucked.

It was horrible. So Mike organized this. It was also on Dean's birthday. So more context because we love context. I've done Humble and Fred for years. I actually had my own radio show in Canada and a bit of a successful career there, and so did Dean. So we have done this show a lot.

I would say they're more humble than Fred. He's a bit like Howard Stern-ish. Is that too strong? Well, they're both named Howard. They're both named Howard. And they're both Jewish, and they both have black hair and he's bitchy he's a little bitchy you know he he's he doesn't mince words right he's not into the bullshit so they had us on their podcast and they were fascinated by the fact that we were homegrown canadian talent that they've known

like for over 20 years right and that you know know, fast forward to 17 years later, we're friends, but everybody sort of knew about this explosion that happened with our marriage. And they were fascinated. How do you get from heinous bullshit to getting along? So these questions were going to come. So this was one of our second or third interviews that we had done regarding our podcast X's and O's and some, some fair game questions came, I think tougher questions. And this is what transpired. Do you want to play or play?

Here we go. It's about 90 seconds. This happened a couple of weeks ago on Humble and Fred. But at that point in the story, you come to Mary Jo and say, Hey, remember all that stuff I was talking about, how this is going to be the greatest thing and how we're going to this is a dream life. And you were doing very well.

You were doing all of that. Your career had taken off. And so how does that conversation go? Did this start with, hey, Mary Jo, remember that 90210? No, no. I mean, no, I can tell you because I wrote a show. God, poor Dean. Is this too much for you on your birthday? It is. It's okay. It is. It is. I didn't think, uh, good. I mean, great questions, guys. Good deep dive on the questions. Oh, I'm sorry. Because I thought that

that's what this was going to be. Yeah. So I actually wrote a story about this called Palm Springs because this is what happened verbatim is we were on a family vacation with another couple with Jack and Lola. And this other couple ultimately sold the story to all the tabloids and made a fortune and renovated their kitchen. That's going to happen. But Dean was just sort of distant during the vacation. Long story short, I write about this. I went up to the room to change Lola's diaper and Dean had just sort of distanced during the vacation. Long story short, I, I write about this. I went up to the room to change Lola's diaper and Dean had just got back from golf. And, um, I said, uh, something's wrong, something, I just feel something's wrong.

And I said, have you met somebody? And he said, yeah. And I said, was it Tori? And he said, yes. I said, did you sleep with her? And he said, yes. And I said, um, he said, she's my you sleep with her and he said yes and I said um he said she's my soulmate we're in love and it's you know and that's where our story began oh he just left

he left hi hi jealous all the listeners jealous so he left. He left the podcast. And so I continued for the next 20 minutes. And Mike, who's, you know, our producer. He literally took the lid of his laptop and he closed it. Shut it down. He said, not today, Satan. And he closed that thing. And he left.

And so the guys didn't know if it was internet or he left, right? Yeah. And if you listen back to that clip, you could actually hear Dean utter the word fuck, like about 20 seconds before he closes the laptop and basically bails. Again, it's his birthday. It's 5.15 a.m. But something there triggers him where he leaves the laptop.

But at the time we thought he leaves the laptop. He left Humble and Fred's show. And at the time we thought that's the only thing he was leaving was that appearance on Humble and Fred. Right. And as it turns out, that was not the case. So what happened the next day, Mike, in a very thoughtful way, went back on the show and basically said,

look, I think this healing has been to the bone, which, you know, Dean reached out and we're saying this with love and objectivity for Dean, because obviously, it was a painful experience for him to be involved in this and relive it. And Mike did, you know, a debriefing the next day and said, guys, you know, I think hometown boy, a lot of emotions attached to this, not quite prepared or wanting to answer the questions and just, you know, didn't want to have a panic attack or, you know, just was overwhelmed. And Humble and Fred, to their credit, said, well, of course we get that. That makes sense. We'd love to have him back. We understand this is painful, but how great that this is happening and you guys

are doing it in a public forum to help other people because this really is painful and takes a lot of work to be able to get to a place where you can do this, you know, to be friends with somebody you were once married to or had children with. So they were completely understanding and open to it. But I don't think that that's going to happen. So what happened is on Thanksgiving evening, Dean quit the podcast. He did. And we have nine other episodes in the can. So we're just, we were both reeling from it and decided that we want to continue and examine, you know,

my culpability in it, like, you know, Mike's perspective, like how do we do this? Can you be friends with your ex? So it's a whole different journey now. Like, this is all part of that journey because up until now, again, I'm in Canada, so we have a different Thanksgiving. So this is Wednesday night, right? Yeah, so the plan was Wednesday night we were going to drop episode three.

Again, to be clear, we have 11 episodes in the can. There are 11 great heartfelt authentic conversations between dean and mary jo eustace and i have those 11 but we were going to drop number three wednesday night so people had it thursday morning i had a note from uh dean that said hey can you jump on a zoom with me and i literally like was publishing this episode. And then I ran down here to the studio to Zoom with Dean. And he told me he had some big news. And I said, Oh, like, I thought it was good, happy news, because he seemed kind of chipper about it. And I thought he's going to tell me something exciting. And I was ready. And he said, I'm done with X's and

O's. Don't drop episode three. And I will just tell you very honestly, and again, I'm done with X's and uh-oh's. Don't drop episode three. And I will just tell you very honestly, and again, I loved my experience with Dean. I like him. I think he's a charismatic, funny, friendly guy that I dig. I liked him as much as I like you, MJ. But I did not see this coming. I was completely blindsided because we had 11 in the can. He was enthusiastic.

He had appeared on Toronto Mic'd, which is my show. He had appeared on Humble and Fred. He seemed to be all in. And then suddenly it was like, that's it. I'm done. Right. And so in fairness, what happened, and this is something I want to examine, and we have a guest coming on later too who's very familiar with this culture

that we're going to talk about. And again, let this be a learning experience for all of us. You know why we jumped into this. But what happened is there was a shift in perspective because I guess the press, of course, had been supporting us doing this and we knew this, there was going to be press coming out about Dean's personal life and his wife, that was going to be a narrative that they were behind. So Mike, who is from Toronto, is not used to, I call it the Hollywood cock block in press, because it's just, it's in the eye class. There's no basis in reality or anything, But once you get the narrative, it goes. And so this has been an experience for you because objectively, you're objective, right? Like you, when you, there wasn't very many disagreements when we were doing this.

You were always fair and measured and everything. So you got sort of a whiff of what it's like to be in the eye of the storm in Hollywood. So I'll give you a minute on that, but this I really want to re-examine and also the post-traumatic stress I might have because of this happening again. But just quickly, your experience in that Hollywood bubble, I've never seen you, it took you like 72 hours.

You were really overwhelmed. You were dreaming about it. Scary, right? Well, I guess I didn't understand it was kind of jarring for me to be all in we were all kind of the three of us kind of in cahoots and and aligned with what we wanted from this project and the purpose of it and again i said this a hundred times but i'll say it again which is that nothing was scripted or planned it was all authentic from the heart so and this is over a few months,

right? Even though this podcast just launched, but we've been recording since June. So over a few months, 11 different episodes, like getting to know you guys and having one-on-ones, I just, it's sort of jarring and almost, you're right. It's a little, it's a little tough to suddenly have it cut like that. I feel like my parents just got divorced. It's very jarring. This happened to me 17 years ago, which I'm dying to discuss too and other things. But yeah, so basically we got caught in the maelstrom sort of.

So we're not quitters, you know. So we wish Dean love and light. And, you know, who knows there there might be another reunion in this but this is all part of the process and this is what we have been left with and there's no way we're giving up on this the x's and o's because we think it's amazing i mean look what just happened in you know two episodes you never know what shit's going to go down right right and we want to explore it and you know dive deep um so from a technical standpoint really like okay that great graphic of you and dean dean you know he was very

clear this isn't there was no gray here it was like yeah i'm done don't drop it see you bitches i'm out of here don't drop episode i had to undrop episode three which is like unringing a bell. But so the photo that accompanies this show will only be you. And I will delete the name Dean McDermott from the title of this program. And in the description, it will no longer be two exes talking about it. It'll be Mary Jo and guests talking about it.

But make no mistake, this show is going to continue. But it's going to be with Mary Jo Eustace. And great guests and great twists. And we've got so much shit planned. And thank you so much. I'm glad we're going to continue because you're awesome. You're great, eh? You're great, eh? So I want to continue this. And okay, so I want to continue this and okay so I'm in Los Angeles and to do this I needed a bit of a spiritual guru and a and a guider and a seeker and I met this woman almost two years ago and she's my soul sister I mean she bugs my ass she rails me so hard like she is so a truth teller and a truth seeker and so when I was gearing up to do this podcast, I really checked in with her a lot.

And she keeps saying, life's giving you blessings. Even if stuff falls apart, which it fell apart in the weekend, she said, this is a blessing. So I am so thrilled to be able to welcome my good friend on my inaugural podcast of X's and O's solo, the famous, the beautiful, I hope she's going to come on, the wonderful Ra don chong so will she join us now yay wow what a story you guys poor dean oh i know i know i know poor mike

toronto mike poor poor mary jo can we just all have a group hug? Okay, let's do a cosmic group hug. I'm so thrilled to see your beautiful face. It's like I am surprised that the whole idea didn't blow up sooner. This is so impressive that you guys got two episodes. Yeah, but we only did two, but we only officially three. We dropped two, almost three. Some people might have got three, but we have 11 episodes. Yeah, we made it 11 episodes before this was killed. And the other thing is, I think what happened with I was listening to the show and I was

thinking what really happened is that the other guys who are guys were giving him the what for. And he got a chance, which we all need in our life, to have outside point of view. And in that, I think he saw the level of douchery. And that's what really kind of freaked him out. Because we're all capable of like Trumpian douchery. We just don't want to know it.

We just don't want to say. You know, people say, oh, Trump's a bad guy. And I go, well, you know, it takes a group consciousness to manifest somebody as toxic as him. Like we can't, in order to be empowered, we can't just sit there and point the finger outward. You know, we have to say. Mike, what do you think of that? I mean, that.

Now those guys you're referring to are humble and Fred's. You're saying. Yeah, I like the idea of humble and Fred. I may have met them in a little bit of my press life, but I've only been around for 5,000 years. But yeah, yeah. I mean, I don't think they did anything wrong. I mean, listening to the piece,

but I think it would be hard on anyone who hasn't examined the level of douchery that it takes to go, you know, I'm in love with somebody else. And, you know, it's hard to break up anyway. I can, I can attest to that. But, but RD, the heart wants what the heart wants. Okay. The heart wants what the heart wants, but it doesn't always mean the heart's right. You know, and there's a level of respect and commitment and, you know, and I'm not even judging. I actually think he did marry Joeah solid, you know, if you're

going to fall apart, fall apart. I think that that's interesting, because when we started to explore this stuff, I think that it became, to Radon's point, and maybe even for me a little bit too, I started to get a little stressed around it, is that when you actually examine this stuff and your actions, and I think Dean made a really interesting comment on one of the podcasts, I don't know if it dropped, which is, yeah, I might've done things a little differently. Yes. And also it shows him, all of us make mistakes and all of us, you know what the first thing is, you guys, we ditch ourselves. Whenever we make those decisions that cost us exponentially more. It usually sources from that moment that we decide we're not good enough. We better take this. You know what I'm saying?

It always comes down to like our own self-confidence. That's super interesting. And I think that one of the things that, yeah, it does. It's hard. And I'm going through that right now. But what was really interesting when you said to me when I told you about this, because Thanksgiving evening, I called you because you were sick. I went to get your turkey. Turkey. I had COVID. She's fine now, but I got her a nice organic turkey. And I'm calling you.

You're not going to believe the shit that just dropped on me. And she said, you know what? You signed up for it. You took it all on. Yeah. So she said, no victim, no excuses. You signed up for this agreement, for this relationship. And for this to happen exactly the way it did.

Right. Were you surprised by what happened that day, Wednesday night, when Dean said, I'm done? You see, I saw the cock block happening a few days earlier with the press. Well, tell us about that. I'm so fascinated because I don't know Hollywood, but you've lived in this world for now, what, 17 years? Well, no, didn't wifey get grumpy?

I think what happened is that there was a different narrative that was going to be written, that the marriage was strong. And remember, we had to be careful doing our press around that we were told that we have to, you know, respect that coming out first. So I think once I started to see the building blocks of that, I was like, okay, there's something happening here. Because it's being cock blocked, right? A different way. I have a question. When you said the marriage is strong, you mean Tori

and Dean's marriage, Tori and Dean's marriage. So then they were starting to put out press regarding that. And that's certainly their right. You smelled there was like a little bit of a tide that was going to come up. I felt there was going to be a tide and it did not complement our narrative. And because I've been exposed to this for 17 years and I know these narratives when they start, whether they have much to do with reality or not, it's, it's like a tidal wave. Do you think there's a part of you subconsciously?

Let's just talk about this. So, you know what I call a subconscious negative pleasure that had a little bit of negative pleasure about the fact that you and Dean were getting along like, and doing such a fun thing and being, you know what I mean? Like, is there anywhere and if you say yes i will respect you more because honestly was there a little hidden subconscious negative pleasure in knowing that she was probably twisting in the wind mike should i answer this question i want the honest answer like yes yes no i i okay i i first Yes. No, I, okay. I, I, first of all, I, I want to say that doing, okay. I, I take responsibility.

No, stop. I take responsibility for signing up for this job because I, I, I know subconsciously it's going to be fraught with twists and turns and difficulties and, and frailties and vulnerabilities and blowups that I can't possibly navigate. So I knew that, but that was way deep down. And what happened when we started to do it? The answer is yes. Okay, but let me finish. So when we started to do it, it was so enjoyable. It was so fun to having that energy, having that dynamic, growing back as friends, like all that stuff, you know, whether we went down a million layers, or we were only in the top 20 layers, we were trying to get beneath it and to have a conversation regarding this. And Dean was opening up again, the nine

podcasts, we did one on infidelity that is sick. It's so good. And so it was really, I was really enjoying it and enjoying our empowerment together. And I guess, honestly, yeah, because it did feel a bit vindicating that, yeah, we can do this 17 years later. I was betrayed as, you know, so horrible and awful. And it'd been such a long road. And I felt that I was on top of the narrative and in control. But guess what? The universe told me very clearly, you're not. And it was wiped out pretty quickly. That's a powerful gift, is that to take someone else's husband, to even get involved with someone who's completely committed is a big fuck you

to women. If you're a woman and you take another person's husband, you're not only violating yourself, which is the first sin you're violating somebody else. And then of course the whole family and your heart, the heart wants what the heart wants, but it's mostly the egos involved here. Conversely, subconsciously, we also, we in a culture that supports revenge, we do like to know how things pan out. And in Dean's case,

it's been a bunch of years, a ton of kids, and you can kind of look back and kind of go, hmm, I might have dodged a bullet. But you're still involved with him and there's still a relationship, but there's got to be a little bit of negative pleasure. And if you can admit that, I think it heals the planet because the truth is Dean didn't take anything away from you that wasn't going to happen with somebody. And you chose him. away from you that wasn't going to happen with somebody and you chose him. And I think the thing where I would go if I were you is I would go to the place of healing that part of Mary Jo that would ever settle on somebody who had the weakness or the character deficit that would even think about going to somebody else without having a clarity. You know what I'm saying? You're smart. A grown up man separates a grown-up.

Maybe there's not any grown-up men, and I might be full of shit, but people who are adult and care, they separate the two because they don't want to hurt the current relationship, and they certainly don't want to start the new relationship on a bad footing. You know? Well, yeah. I mean, of course. Everybody has negative pleasure,, you know? It's well, yeah, I mean, it's course. Everybody has negative pleasure and a lot of it's subconscious. And it's really good to admit to it

because then it heals us. We heal the whole dynamic between men and women or between couples. So reeling in the hours of the breakup and deciding to continue this show. I mean, we have just scratched the surface. And I think today we covered what happened. I think sort of our shock or feelings. And again, I'm really interested in delving in why the hell I did this and I'm doing this and why I want to continue to do this because I think it's super important.

Now, Mike is divorced. Mike, are you really divorced? I'm really divorced. I'm on my second marriage. And yeah, so I have two kids from my first marriage, two kids from my second marriage. Yeah, that's a lot of kids. How many divorces are you? Eight, nine?

I can't remember. I swear to God, I have like 17. No, I know you do. I have three, but two are, wait, two divorces two divorce and three divorces and one died. My last, my last, my last ex disappeared in the Bermuda triangle. Yeah. I'm sorry to hear that. I know he was actually quite fun. For instance, I really counted on his brain trust, even though we weren't together.

I enjoyed if there was any mechanic, he was a mechanic, PhD in mechanical engineering. That's good brain energy to have. Yeah, it was really important. And now he's gone and I can't ask him a question like, what's the noise? What does that mean when there's a noise? You know what I mean?

In your car? MJ, as we reset here in the new episode three, which is Sans Dean McDermottott was there a moment where you thought that with dean goes the podcast like when you found out because i did i guess i delivered the news to you right because i uh you did i what's up to you after my zoom with dean and i said houston we have a problem i think those were my exact words yeah yeah because i'm funny that way. Houston is a problem. It's so gross. I'm sorry, Houston. I said Dean McDermott.

Houston is a problem. Dean McDermott, not only is Dean McDermott done with the program, but he doesn't want these nine episodes in the can to drop. So we had the two

that are out there. They're a fair game. They're out there. But we're now recording in episode three. But when I gave you this news, MJ, did you think to yourself for a moment like, okay, that's it for X's and O's? Or did you immediately realize

that you wanted to continue as the sole host of this fine program? Yeah. Oh my God, fine program. Instantly, immediately after I got over the shock, I was like, absolutely. I'm going to continue this and I'm, you know, I'm going to own my culpability in it and examine that and why I'm doing it and get deeper into the subject matter. So yeah. But you know what also was really important for me once I heard the news? That I wasn't going to back down. I wasn't going to be sort of bullied and shut it down.

You weren't going to contract into the hole of pathetic i'm a loser thank you for articulating we're going to fold into the fetal position and drink yourself into a stupor no i did have a glass of wine that night but no i decided that i'm not going to do that i'm going to be empowered by it and it's i'm going to take some hits moving forward doing it but that's fine I'm interested in the subject matter and brilliant people helping me so I was like let's let's do it let's do it let's see where it goes and I you know I'm not going to be quiet this time so it's important for us to to really talk about relationships since in America in North America in the world of the Americas we're not that mature. It's not a mature culture when it comes to the sexual dynamic between partners. We're really a sad little

group of babies. And speaking of sad, I know personally, I'm a little heartbroken that, I thought this was a real beautiful thing that after, you know, 17 years that you two, you know, you kind of reacquaint yourself at jack's graduation and then like i believed it all because i saw you over the last few months together it's not over by the way mike i believed that you could become good friends with an ex even after a terrible like a bad breakup that the press and the tabloids threw gasoline on. Even I, who don't follow this Hollywood gossip stuff, knew about this with Tori Spelling and

Dee McDermott and Mary Jo Eustace. I even knew about this. So to learn that, oh, you're not the friends I thought you were because here it is over. It's almost like just too much for me. It was coitus interruptus. That's what we're calling this episode coitus

interruptus and and it was for me and i want to examine that a bit more and i'm sad about it too um but we went in authentically to try and you know see what we could do here and it was it was enjoyable and a good run and my wish and hope is that we can release those nine other podcasts because they are amazing and so we'll see if we can podcasts because they're amazing. And so we'll see if we can. Why are they so amazing? Tell me, just keep me up to speed. They're so amazing because what happens after you do it for a bit, and Michael attests to this, is that it becomes like a therapy session and he would just turn his camera off and we would discuss these things. And because Dean didn't know what I was going to bring to the table. It would be like this dive into everything from infidelity to, you know,

family dynamics to maybe I would have done things differently. So it was really opening up all these discussions, right? I just remembered there's that episode with your parents, MJ. Yeah. Like I'm here again, my camera's off. I think they forget I'm here to be honest. And I'm watching this unfold and it's so real, so raw, so authentic. I,

I can't believe there might be a chance. I can't share this with the public. Oh, this is so beautiful. And that episode where your parents and Dean reconnect after the 17 years. And I don't want to give anything away, but this might never get out. But when Dean says to your dad,

I'm sorry, I'm sorry, Mr. E I'm crying over here in my toronto basement they were crying right so i guess that speaks to the point that in the moment and what we were doing is real can i honor something you guys yeah it may not be public consumption but it's consumption that was had yeah i think it helped mary jo i think it helped dean i think it helped your dad and i think we should just take a step back for just a second and say i don't think it's

over i think that he would be lucky to um you know what are we here for but to contribute to the universe and if you're not contributing then're taking. And if all you do is take, then you're a loser. I see your point. Um, yeah, time, you know, after he sorts it out. Yeah, I think so too. So I think today was just an introduction back into what we're going to try and do. Um, and then I'm doing it, you know, on my own and very interested in moving forward with this, with this theme. So we're going to keep going and we're going to see where it takes us. And so thank you so much, Radon, for coming on. I know you'll come on again.

You're brilliant. I love you. You're wonderful. I'm at your service, dear heart. And I enjoy talking about love and more love and more love and more love. I'm getting turned on. No, I'm down with it. I think that this is a place in our culture that if we could globally heal love,

then we can actually fight against the violence matrix. Because I want something to win, and I want it to be loving. And I want all relationships, starting in want it to be loving. And I want all relationships starting in kindergarten to be healthier. Okay. All right. That seems to me reasonable. That's my Christmas wish. All right.

I love you guys. Bye. I love you too. See you guys. I love you too. Thank you so much. Bye, Ray Donchong. Yeah, she's a force, huh?

Yeah, honestly, I'm digesting a lot of that still. That was in the nebula, I believe. She's amazing. But I think that the point of it was just like when you walk into this arena, you open yourself up to everything, and that's part of the process because you and I are grieving and sad and all that stuff, so we opened ourselves up to it. Well, I'm glad we talked about it.

And for the listeners, right, I'm glad we talked about it. And for the listeners, right? I'm glad that we had a little bit of a transition because it'll be jarring for them too, that here we are rolling along episode two of 11 that are in the can. We were going to do a 12, 13, 14. We're going to keep going. And now a voice is missing,

but we can talk about what happened and how we move forward. And then X's and O's, which is a great concept, MJ, can continue to live and thrive. It's going to continue. We're going to drop this bitch in a couple of days so people can listen to it. And onwards and upwards, and let's see what else we discover.

Are you okay, Mike? I'm worried. You need some vodka, don't you? A little bit? Yeah. I got some Great Lakes beer right here. I can take down a couple, but I'm okay. You're so Canadian. It's so adorable. You just right here. I can take down a couple, but I'm okay. You're so Canadian.

It's so adorable. You just embrace it. I love it. As we say goodbye here on the new episode three, replacing the original episode three, it's like the new Coke here. At some point, will we discuss what you meant by the Hollywood cycle there

where there was a new narrative being pushed? Because a lot of that was kind of like we talked about it almost encoded. But I mean, I saw the Christmas card and I saw the exclusive about divorce being off the table and it wasn't lost on me that all of that noise happened the exact same week that Dean exited this podcast. Like that didn't seem like a coincidence to me.

Well, I think we need to talk about that next time. Okay. What do you think? Yeah, absolutely. We need to unpack that. Okay. Well, I think we need to talk about that next time. Okay. What do you think? Yeah, absolutely. We need to unpack that. Okay. Well, look, thank you so much to our listeners. I mean, it's been a lot. So thanks for joining today and coming along for the ride and more to come. So we're shifting, we're pivoting. And, you know, the proverbial, we're taking some lemons and

making lemonade. So it's going to be good. It's going to be fun. Right? Okay, you. All right, MJ. Goodbye, Canada. Goodbye. Bye. Love you.

Miss you. Bye. Whoa. Then I let him go. Now there's one in California who's been cursing my name. Cause I found me a better lover in the UK. Hey. Until I made my getaway.

One, two, three, they're gonna run back to me. Cause I'm the best baby that they never gotta keep. One, two, 3, they're gonna run back to me Cause I'm the best baby that they never gotta keep 1, 2, 3, they're gonna run back to me They always wanna come but they never wanna leave X's and the O's, they haunt me Like ghosts, they want me To make them all they want.

Let go, X is in. Let go, X is in. And that brings us to the end of our 1,163rd show. If you liked what you heard and you want to hear what happens next, you'll need to subscribe to X's and Uh-Oh's

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TMLX11. I'll be recording the action and I'll share it all with you Saturday afternoon. See you at TMLX 11. Maybe the one who doesn't realize There's a thousand shades of grey Cause I know that's true, yes I do

I know it's true, yeah I know it's true How about you? All that picking up trash and then putting down ropes And they're brokering stocks The class struggle explodes And I'll play this guitar Just the best that I can

Maybe I'm not And maybe I am But who gives a damn Because everything Is coming up rosy and gray. Yeah, the wind is cold, but the smell of snow warms me today. And your smile is fine, and it's just like mine, and it won't go away. Because everything is rosy and gray.

Well, I've kissed you in France and I've kissed you in Spain And I've kissed you in places I better not name And I've seen the sun go down on Sacré-Cœur But I like it much better going down on you Yeah, you know that's true Because everything is coming up rosy and green

Yeah, the wind is cold but the smell of snow warms us today And your smile is fine and it's just like mine and it won't go away. Cause everything is rosy now, everything is rosy and everything is rosy and gray. guitar solo