Toronto Mike'd: The Official Toronto Mike Podcast - THEME-OLOGY 101: Toronto Mike'd #378

Episode Date: September 21, 2018

Retrontario presents THEME-OLOGY 101.

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and turnkey construction services across the GTA. I'm Mike from torontomike.com, and joining me is Ed, call me Retro Ontario, Conroy. Good day, sir. Have you considered legally changing your name to Retro Ontario? You know, I did, but I get so many people asking me why there isn't two O's in there. This was going to be the first episode.

I was not going to bring that up that But you've done it for me I see you've already dove into The Great Lakes beer So what have you enjoyed so far? Well I had to rock An Octopus Wants to Fight As I do whenever I come over To the hallowed decks of Toronto Mike And it is the last day of summer

You know so Let's have a party Let's have some fun I didn't even know that until you mentioned it Because it's hard to think this could be the last day of summer, you know? So let's have a party. Let's have some fun. I didn't even know that until you mentioned it, because it's hard to think this could be the last day of summer when it's really hot outside. It's, I don't know, in the 30s, I think? Oh yeah, easily.

I don't know. I know that they said thunderstorms are coming, so I batted down the hatches. You know, you handed me this gigantic bottle of GLB called Toronto Island Thyme, and it's strawberry mango. It looks amazing. Okay, so yes, I just picked that up today. I've never sampled that before, and I thought, you know, here we are.

We have our Great Lakes beer glasses here, and you've got the can opener, and you're going to open that up. On mic. Good man. And he's pouring it out. We're going to drink some Toronto Island Thyme because I thought, would you rather have that or the pumpkin ale? Well, we're not quite in autumn

yet, right? We still got a couple hours left. That's tomorrow. Toronto Island time. That's right. So those are the new additions here. But Great Lakes beer. I can't believe how full my soundboard is because you sent me so many glorious slices of nostalgic Canadian audio.

Set the table for us. What are we in for today? Well, Mike, you know, back in the day, I was a DJ. I used to DJ a lot in high school and university. I used to play records. And I love DJ sets. You know, I used to make a lot of them. Back in the day, Retro Ontario, when I started, I did a few.

They're up on Mixcloud. And, you know, I had one. I never finished it, but I started it. And it was called Themology 101. And the idea was that it would be my favorite theme songs for Canadian TV shows. And then I'm a big fan of your Kick Out the Jam series. I thought, I'd love to do one of those. But why not sort of recreate the themology thing in your basement?

And that's where we're at. Well, here's the thing. Every time I think, oh, Ed's got to come kick out the jams, I think, well, if Ed's going to come all this way, I don't want to, no offense, I don't want to waste you on like, oh, you know, you love this Radiohead song or whatever, when I could get you to do something like this.

Like we did that Christmas show. We did. We're going to do volume two, I hope, this year. Christmas Crackers. Yeah. Whenever I come across anything seasonal, I sort of put it aside

and I think that'll be one for the Christmas Crackers series. No, good man. Yes. So we're now announcing that coming this December, Christmas Crackers volume two. Yes, sir.

I cannot say. I won't. Forget how many sleeps till Christmas Crackers volume two. That's what I'll say. But today, sleeps till Christmas Crackers Volume 2. That's what I'll say. But today, you're calling it Themology 101. Themology 101. And it's essentially, we're kicking out the Canadian TV theme jams.

Is that what we're doing? That's right. There's one from the US that's in there. I think it's an important one because it was big in Toronto. But for the most part, it's Canadiana. Some Toronto, some Vancouver. But it's the shows, the sounds of the shows that we grew up with that I think are my favorite.

Now, before anybody starts to worry, I mean, we are omitting a few important ones because we've played them a lot before. So things like Magic Shadows and Today's Special, those are in my top 10, but we're not going to play them today because we've played them. Right,. So things like magic shadows and today's special, those are in my top 10, but we're not going to play them today. Cause we've, we've right.

Cause those are natural. Of course, magic shadows would be kicked out, but you, yes, go back. Honestly, it go back to,

if this is your first retro Ontario experience on Toronto, Mike, uh, because you're on 10, 10, right? You're, you do,

you do spots with, uh, Jerry Agar. That's correct. I do Jerry Agar every week. We also have a historical segment, runs about seven or so minutes, where we talk about these things.

But it's funny because, obviously, when you have seven minutes, you have to really get down to the brass tacks very quickly. It's not the sort of conversational tone of Toronto Mike. We're going to spend seven minutes discussing this beer. Let's put it that way. But yeah, no, this is why Toronto Mike exists, because you can't do this all justice and seven. By the way, in seven minutes discussing this beer let's put it that way but yeah no this is why toronto mic exists because you can't do this all justice and by the way uh in seven minutes but by the way uh you did toronto mic first before jerry agar's show is that the chronological oh yeah man

you you got me primed and pumped for this so jerry heard this and said i want seven minutes i want if i could even have seven minutes of that he's like my ratings will spike. And good on you for having some traditional broadcasting exposure. I mean, it's absolutely surreal to go into that building and bump these things that are funny to you and I. Because that's the Queen and John, right? It's right. It's connected to 299. But, you know, it's the old chump sign is there. And it's the old, you know, the old building.

Crazy. But there's no Speaker's Corner there anymore. No. I mean, it's look, it's a mausoleum now, man. There's no soul. Well, that's sort of a common thread. And we'll tap into some of that. But we recently had, I don't know if you caught wind of this, but the

TMLX2 just happened. Toronto Mic Listener Experience 2.0 happened like, I think that was, was it last week? Maybe. I think it must have been, yeah. It might have been last week. That seems, wow, that's amazing. You weren't there. Unfortunately, I was not there. You were at the first one. You were a highlight for many people. You came up

Joel Goldberg. Hi, Joel. As I said that, I was staring at Maestro Fresh West's 12-inch single, Let Your Backbone Slide. Joel directed Let Your Backbone Slide. And Dwight Drummond's in there. And Joel also created Electric Circus. And you know, on Sunday,

this last Sunday, was the 30th anniversary of the first episode of Electric Circus. That is crazy. And I just heard Meister did some kind of a TED Talk or something in which he referenced Electric Circus, of course, but he also referenced the cowboy. Oh, yeah, Kendrick, yeah.

Kendrick. And I mean, now it all, I mean, this is a problem of our episodes and we're going to kick out like 400 jams. So we can't do this because this will be five hours, which people might enjoy, I would enjoy. We have to do it to break it up because now we can't do this because this will be five hours, which people might enjoy. I would enjoy. We have to do it to break it up because now we can talk about summertime. Summertime, which ends today

because today's the last day of summertime. Summertime. Right? See what I did there? Okay. So back to TMLX2. Did you have a good excuse at least for not making TMLX2? Yeah.

I mean, it was a tough time. My daughter just started school and you know i was saying to you earlier when school starts you know you know this it's like a light switch flicks and suddenly what was manageable is suddenly unmanageable and uh it was just a very you're using your children as a shield of sorts i don't that's the one thing that shuts people up right away oh it was tough for my daughter okay I'm out or like you said medical issue or whatever those kind of things so I'm sad

that I didn't see you at TMLX too because you were a fixture at TMLX but thank you again thank you for coming to the first ever Toronto Mic listener experience did you have a good time? Oh my god dude it was amazing it was so great to meet some of the other guests some of the big fans that you have the people that are on your message board a lot.

And just having random people come up and ask awesome... There was a guy, I can't remember his name, and he just wanted to know about Cats and Dog, which is this obscure Canadian TV show. And so, yeah, it's just awesome to meet those peeps and talk about that stuff. show. And so, yeah, it's just awesome to meet those peeps and talk about that stuff. The other gentleman who was at TMLX1 but did not come to number two is Mark Weisblot from 1236. But I think I made this, I did this in the speech for the first one, which I don't think the speech was recorded for the first one. I know the second Toronto Mic Listener Experience, the speech was recorded by Moose Grumpy. That's her name, Moose Grumpy, because I put it into a recent podcast. There's a recent podcast where you can hear

David Schultz and Gare Joyce doing the stand-up because that was recorded by Kevin McGran of the Toronto Star. And you can hear my speech, which was my 10-minute speech, which went on, I think, a good 21 minutes. So that was like only a couple of... I'm going to say that was episode 376. This is 378. But Mark Weisblatt was also not at TMLX2,

and he's coming on in a couple of weeks for his quarterly appearance, and I'm going to hammer him as well. Come on. You'll be at the third one, right? Of course. I'll move heaven and earth to be at the third one. I was going to say, you're going to move to New Toronto to make sure you can walk there.

All right. Now, what's happened recently? I want to ask you about Byway. Did you see the viral nature of my Byway bag tweet? Well, I mean, there was an explosion of Byway nostalgia and it was kind of an amazing thing because there was another tweet, which I'm sure you saw, where this fellow basically said, look, you know, a lot of kids have very traumatic memories of the first day of school because they rolled up in Byway shoes. So I'm friendly.

In fact, this all got sparked by Cam Gordon from Twitter Canada, who brought me the Byway bag when he came on to kick out the jams. And that kind of, I did the tweet and that kind of got some traction and people kind of tweeted other nostalgic Canadian defunct store bags, right?

And then he pointed me to that one you're referring to, which came out of Ottawa, I think. And he was like, I think, Mike, he goes, Mike, I think you kick-started this Byway nostalgia. So it's happening, my friend. It's happening. But when I think of nostalgic stuff like Byway, you're top of mind. How does that make you feel? I guess good.

At least you're on my mind. No. I mean, look, Byway was always something that I was lucky enough that I didn't have to shop at Byway for my back to school clothes. And I think that tweet was very poignant because it's all fun and games to look at the old bags and laugh about it. But yeah, there's this segment of kids that are probably still scarred from they had to wear tracks shoes or champions choice.

Champions choice. Or here's the thing I remember distinctly because I went to a byway at Jane and Annette. It's long gone. It's condos now I think. But they had Levi's jeans at the byway, but they were orange tag. Okay? And in our school, in our primary school,

there was a distinction made between the red tag, which you had to go to whatever, Eden's or something, right? Sears or whatever, to get the red tag, which was like, yeah, 501s and stuff like that. And the orange tag, which were like some discounted model you got at Byway. Can you imagine?

No, man, it's brutal. Why couldn't Levi's just make the discounted model red tags as well? You know what I mean? And nobody would be the wiser. Come on. I blame Levi's. I don't blame Byway. Yeah, kids are tough and kind of mean, I got to say.

What's new? Okay, well, actually, before I find out what's new in the retro Ontario universe, here's a quick question for you. What's the first major news event that you remember? Because you're a little younger than me, right? I was born in 76. You're younger than me. Yeah, you're my brother Ryan's age.

Do you have a quick answer for this yeah I remember when Lennon was shot and it's funny I remember it because City TV like on the

dot of that day that he died ran the Beatles films all through the night and I remember being a little kid and seeing a bit of

Magical Mystery Tour, which was just the weirdest thing anyways, and not really understanding what was going on, except my parents being sad and saying, yeah, this really important guy just got murdered. But the one that I remember being old enough to

kind of digest was The Challenger in 86. Interesting answers, because I know, because you were born in 1976, I was born in 1974. So I got a couple of years on you. But my answer to that question is also the murder of John Lennon. So I don't remember anything. Some people a little bit older than me will say they remember Elvis dying. Oh, yeah.

That was in 1977. I have no memory. I got no memories of Elvis dying. But I remember when a beetle was shot. I remember a beetle was shot and is dead. And it's funny. We had the same answer for that. And your answer to the,

that's also my answer if you want to talk about something I was old enough. Because I remember Lennon getting shot. I remember Reagan being shot. And then I remember Terry Fox dying. Oh yeah, for sure. But the biggest impact in terms

of world news that I really took in was the Challenger explosion. It really traumatized me. Oh, yeah, man. And I mean, speaking of Reagan, I remember his address to the nation that evening. It didn't matter what political party or what your politics were. I mean, that was one of the greatest presidential speeches of all time. You can't imagine the current president ever bringing the nation together if there was a horrible event like that. The current president makes all past presidents seem much... I mean, I've never thought of W... I've never had nostalgia for the good old days of W. You know what I mean? Who would have thunk that was...

Oh, remember those good old days when W was the president? Like, can you imagine? Anyway, that's enough politics for you, Retro Ontario. So can you give us a little update, a little Retro Ontario update? Sure. I'm working on a very exciting project right now with Mr. Moses Neimer. I'm helping him create this biographical website, which will sort of be your one-stop shop

for anything to do with him and his history, starting from when he arrived in Canada and at the end of the Second World War, right up to what he does now. He sort of turned me loose on his archive, which is like a kid in a candy store, man. He kept everything. He hired the right guy for this gig.

You're the man for that job. It worked out. Yeah, it worked out for everyone, I think. So when will this be ready for public consumption? We're hoping it'll be live by the end of the year, but I like to say it's like a hotel, and certain rooms will be open, and then other rooms will open.

It won't all sort of be on on the first day. You might imagine there is an incredible amount of stuff that we're working with. So I'm very excited about it. It's going to be, you know, I thought I knew a lot about the man and I realized very quickly it was the tip of the iceberg. This is somebody that has really influenced every facet of this city, not just in television, every facet of music in the country, in the world. It's breathtaking, and I keep finding out new stories, and it's amazing. Now, you know what would be a perfect complement

to this web infrastructure that you're designing, this hotel, this digital hotel for Moses? Can you get Moses on Toronto Mic'd? Like, why hasn't he made an appearance on the Toronto Mic'd podcast? Well, I'm sure we could try. The thing about media moguls in general, it's a bit like the film Citizen Kane.

I don't know if you're familiar with that. But when you're in the media, when you control the media, you have to be very protective of how you are portrayed. So you have to control the narrative. And I think whether it's you in your basement or, you know, CBC or anybody else, he's not a fan of sort of being in somebody else's hands for very, very good reasons. That said, I'm sure he would do a Toronto Mike, but I would imagine he would bring his crew here as well, and they would film it and they would do their own piece about

his experience on Toronto Mike, which would be a cool thing. It's fine. They could do that. As long as they don't have editorial control over my live to tape broadcast here. I don't go in and edit. It'll be whatever he says is what's on the podcast. I'm happy to put in a good word, man. And I know there's other people.

Let them know Ziggy and Joel. And another cat you should get on here is Dominic Shulo, who's the original videographer from City Pulse. He's still with the Zoomer gang. Oh, on this note. By the way, that's an awesome project. Don't mean to jump over that, except to tell you that on Tuesday,

which is like, so Monday, Humble and Fred are coming on to talk about what they're up to Tuesday. Peter gross is on Toronto. Mike, another legend broadcast legend, you know, Peter gross, um,

did stuff on city TV when he was, you know, you say he was the sports guy, but he did all kinds of segments about lifestyle and about Toronto. And there's an amazing skit. I have to send it to you. You have to ask him about it. Where he would. Do you know what we're listening to?

No. I'd bet some money my greenie would buy. And when the sisters are under attack, don't need to quit. Take another crack. Now there's this pony ran six panels and twelve. So this is, and I want to hear about that skit. Don't get me wrong, but we'll get to that in a second. Butter Bump and the Eighth. Yeah, Butter Bump and the Eighth.

That's the film he made about horse racing for City TV. Peter Gross. So this is the song from it. Yeah. No one's ever seen Butter Bump and the Eighth as like a lost film. I don't even know if it aired, man. But I know that it's in the archive somewhere.

Amazing. So he directed this. Yeah, it was like his magnum opus. So I'm going to ask him about it. But it's amazing that this exists, what I'm listening to right now. I don't know. I mean, today's episode is about Canadian TV themes. Butter bumpin' Eat.

This is a TV theme that never came to be. From a Lost City TV production. Yeah, that's cool. Where did you find that? Can you shed any light? Do you know who pointed me in the direction? Was the guy you might know,

Mark Weisblatt from 1236? No surprise there, of course. I said this, and I'm going to say it again, because I noticed the speech at TMLX2 got a lot more play than the first one, so I need to say this. For my money, the two guys on my Mount Rushmore did this shit. You, Retro Ontario, and Mark from 1236. There's no one better.

So kind. So kind. So kind. You're on my Mount Rushmore. Thank you. No. You're on mine. Am I? Butter bump.

You have to say that. Butter bump in the eighth, man. Butter bump in the eighth. It's so crazy that you played that because I kept seeing that title in this deep archive of material. And I thought, what the hell is that? And yeah, it was Peter Gross's made this film about horse racing.

I'm going to play that again on Tuesday for Peter and get him to tell me everything. Get him to tell you the full story. Are you kidding me? Man, I don't know if he has a copy, but we should get him one. If he does, I'll hook you up. Yeah.

You were in mid-sentence when I started playing Butter Bump and the Eighth. I want to say Butter Ball and the Eighth, but it's Butter Bump and the Eighth. Butter Ball and the Eighth is a whole different thing. Yeah. Well, he did a whole bunch of skits. And again, this is like City Pulse

in the 70s and 80s. It wasn't just your standard news. They would do these skits, almost like comedy bits. And he did this amazing one where he played Columbo, the detective, and he played Moses. And it was back and cutting back and forth between him as Moses and him as Columbo. And the idea was that Columbo

had come to 99 Queen East, the old city TV building, and was interrogating Moses about a murder. But he nailed Columbo and he nailed Moses. He had the best impression I've ever seen of either of those two guys. And that's just the kind of stuff they did back then. It's amazing. I will send that to you for sure. On that note, send me any audio elements, anything I can play for Peter Gross.

I love it when the old City TV guys come on. Absolutely. I've got to ask Peter about my gal pal Ann Romer. Oh yeah. Some overlap there, of Absolutely. I got to ask Peter about my gal pal, Ann Romer. Oh, yeah. Some overlap there, of course, and looking forward to that. Before we dive into Canadian TV jams, this is for Census Design and Build. Census Design and Build provide architectural design, interior design, and turnkey construction

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Do it, okay? I will. Do it. And this is kind of funny. I'm going to play a question now from Brian Gerstein at propertyinthesix.com. And it really does lead us down a fun little path. So I kind of can't wait. So listen up closely and we'll hear from

Brian. Hi Ed, Brian Gerstein here, sales representative with PSR Brokerage and proud sponsor of Toronto Mic'd. I can be reached by caller text at 416-873-0292 for all of your real estate needs. Did you know that the additional price paid for a detached home in 416 versus a condo is only 113%? So a fantastic time to sell your condo and buy a house. Let me show you how. Ed, I am going to go in a different direction. The worst, most cringeworthy Canadian theme songs. At the top of the list for me is Seeing Things.

I really think that the Americans must have used it at Guantanamo Bay to get confessions out of their prisoners. Another wretched one was Street Legal, which had the luxury to come after L.A. Law and still managed to blow it. Which ones would you rank at the bottom of the pile, Ed? Well, first of all, Mr. Brian Gerstein, you do not front on seeing things. I was going to say, what a bad take that is, right?

That is one of the greatest. I mean, we're not going to play that today because I think we played it the last time I was here. Yeah, I'm going to play it anyway because of... Okay, because it's amazing. Okay, I'm going to play it now because this is for Rob J. Rob J., long-time listener of Toronto Mic, and and a big time contributor in the open mics. But then he was in a big, he was in a,

like he got caught up in some Marty York stuff. Okay. That's all I can say. And he, he actually went offline for a while, like for months, didn't comment on open mic. And it was because there was some heat on him for some,

some Robbie. No, he's Rob J. But there was some stuff going on with Marty York. It's a whole thing. But Rob J. came back with a vengeance, and I'm very happy to have him back. So, Rob, thanks for coming back to the open mics.

We love your contributions. But Rob J. loves, loves, loves, loves the Seen Things theme. Should we play it and then discuss why Brian is wrong? Banger, please. So we all agree Brian is wrong. He's totally wrong. Days are wide awake. Visions are for crazy men.

I'll be for goodness sake. But I'm seeing things. I'm seeing things. I'm seeing things, believe me I've never seen before But the little things deceive me Like when you threw me out the door I couldn't believe my eyes So Brian thinks the Americans are using that at Guantanamo Bay. I hope not because those prisoners are going to be in for a treat.

Yeah. It's going to have the opposite effect. They're not going to give up anything if they can keep hearing more singing things. It's even got that it changes up. It changes up in the middle. It's only 30 seconds there. It's a banger. It's a banger, dude.

I don't know what he's talking about. That said, he's totally on the money about street legal. That is a certifiable piece of shit. This one? Hold on. I'll bring it down. It's only instrumental, but... So we don't like this one.

It's just sort of... It's that kind of late 80s saxophone, you know, soft, middle of the road, inoffensive pavillon.

Yeah, it's not memorable. It's not memorable. Right. But I have to give, I can never say bad things about Street Legal because it stars Cynthia Dale who went to my high school,

a little older than me, but she's a power grad like I am. So, hi, Cynthia. Say hi to your husband for me. Street Legal also had that fella who recently was in big trouble,

the Soul Pepper Theater, right? I don't know. husband for me. Street Legal also had that fellow who recently was in big trouble, the Soul Pepper Theater, right? I don't know. The Me Too guy? I can't recall his name now. There were a lot of people I don't remember. I just remember the guy who went on to do the Saskatchewan

show with Brent Butt. Oh, Corner Gas. Right. The dad in that was in Street Legal, right? That's right. Corner Gas, funnily enough, would probably be my answer for just a theme song I do not care for. I'm not going to hate on any of these things. They've all

served their purpose. Some are more memorable than others. You know, the show that everybody likes to beat up on and it's always named as the worst Canadian show. I know what you're going to say. The Trouble with Tracy. That's got a pretty horrible theme song as well. I have a hard time

finding fault in a lot of these things because I think Canada had the cards stacked against it from the get-go when it came to television production. So the fact any of these things even got made was a miracle. On that note, so as a kid, what I remember is American sitcoms looked one way, and then the Canadian sitcoms looked like it was videotape.

Am I right? Yeah, it was like the Canadian look. It looked different. It was like cheap video. Yeah, and the worst offender, of course, was Hobo, right? It looked like it had been filmed on a video camera. And yeah, as a kid, it's awful to think now that the hate that was thrown towards canadian shows because they looked cheap and now they look the same

though like everything we've caught up now well the technology has basically become the same whether you're in europe or australia or america you and i could start the retro ontario show and it would look as good as any yeah exactly as. Yeah, exactly. As This Is Us or whatever. Whatever the Americans are watching these days. I don't know. We have Kim's Convenience and they have This Is Us.

And the one that I'm kind of, you know, I keep forgetting is actually happening is on Monday, the rebooted Magnum P.I. is coming back on. No mustache.

Higgins is a girl. I mean, it's weird. What a weird world we live in. Do you remember when they announced they were rebooting Knight Rider and the Canadian, Job, Bojack Horseman. How come I don't know names anymore? Who's Bojack Horseman?

Job from Brampton? Anyway, he does the voice of Lego Batman. Oh, yes. What's his name? It sucks. Hey, you can Google it. But that guy, I like his work. He's great at BoJack.

Anyway, he he was going to be the voice of Knight Rider. And it was like I saw a trailer for it. And I heard him talk as not Knight Rider. Kit. Kit. Yeah. And I heard him talk and everything. And they were rebooting it. And then they canceled it because he had a big contract with another car company.

And Kit was going to be a different make of car. And it was a rival. And he wasn't allowed to be Kit. Well, that's a pretty lame reason to kill the show. Some big business thing or whatever. And it never happened. Anyway, that's the reboot. Everything's getting rebooted, as you know. Everything's coming back. Yeah. But, you know And it never happened. Anyway, that's the reboot. Everything's getting rebooted.

As you know, everything's coming back. Yeah, but you know, it's funny. I think this is also a good segue into our themology because September, you know, growing up, it's when the fall season started. It's when the Emmys are. It's always been a very TV heavy

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Good people but a great app. Highly recommend it and everybody needs 10 bucks. Ed. Yes sir. Are you ready for Themology 101? Let's drop that. Drop it like it's hot.

That's right. Bass for your face. Yeah, y'all. That's right. Rock that shit, homie. Una voz me llama cada vez Por mi camino allí siempre estaré Donde quiera que voy un amigo haré Misión cumplida te das la vuelta y me fui otra vez Tal vez mañana ya en mi vida sentaré.

Hasta mañana mi camino seguiré. Si me quieres acompañar por un día o dos, ponte tu gorra, camisa o short, así soy yo. Tal vez mañana

ya llegue ese lugar. Hasta mañana seguiré mi caminar. Hasta mañana And you hit on something I absolutely love is when you think something's coming and you know what's coming and you anticipate it and then it's a curveball. It turns on you and it's something else. And that was the experience I just had and I love that feeling.

Well, being a DJ, you learn a thing or two about upsetting expectations so tell us uh obviously that was a the spanish version spanish lovely in any language really that song um yeah you know come on it's kind of the i think the greatest canadian tv theme song we've all heard it a gazillion times so i thought i'd change it up with a with a cover there's also i have a japanese cover version of it. Not quite as cool, but still bizarre. But yeah, what a lovely song that is.

And the guy who sang on the original, I mean, it was written by Terry Bush, performed by Terry Bush, but the singer of the English version passed away this year. So there was a little bit, not I thought as much as he deserved, there was a little bit in the media about that

but that's what you're here for to shed light on these things that's you know there's been a few passings I think we'll get to that tie into

some of these things this year but inspired opening loved hearing Flavor Flav off the top are you kidding me

thank you for that that's a little Easter egg for you and the Littlest Hobo Spanish cover. And we're off to the races, and I'm so psyched. I've got to play your second jam. This is great. edison twins life is just a learning game Amazing.

Beauty, eh? Love it. I love the show. I love that theme. But you're about to shock people, I think, because I was shocked when I saw the note here as to who's singing that song. Yeah, that's Mr. Bob Segherini.

I had no idea. That is a guy you've got to get on Toronto Night. He's amazing. I chatted with... John Donabee invited me to this Radio Insider thing. And actually, from that party, I got Keith Hampshire. So Keith Hampshire came on because I wrangled him. And John Donabee came on after that.

And maybe more. But Liz Janik's going to come on. But I had a face to face with Bob and yeah he's a total legend I mean Bob the Iceman Segarini he came from California he was in a band called the Wackers

he did songs on the soundtrack of this incredible American film called Vanishing Point which is one of the great counterculture films of the 70s. And then he came to Toronto. He was a Q107 jock. He was one of the original eight people that worked on Much Music.

He was a producer on Much Music in 84. And then my favorite story is he was the original host of City TV late great movies. It used to have a host when it would come on. And he told me this incredible story. If it's okay, I'll give you the short version. If you get him on, you got to get the long version. No, people can hear it twice if it's a good story. I don't care. So he was doing late great movies and you know, they're showing B movies and running all through the night. This

was a big novel thing that city TV was showing movies in the middle of the night and it was like a proper late night show so they did skits and they would do zany things and so one night it's like you know 2 a.m or 3 a.m and they're showing cat people uh the 1982 remake of cat people by paul schrader and as their gag they had a box of cats in the studio at 99 Queen. And they're messing around with the cats and filming them. And apparently they were filming them in slow motion. And one of them was kind of hissing in a weird way because it was in slow motion. And suddenly people started to phone the station saying, these guys are abusing the cats on air.

They're torturing cats. And Moses Nimer was at the station. He, you know, he, this is a classic Moser, Moses. He never leaves.

Right. He's like always there working. And so he goes up to the studio. He gets the note that these guys are torturing cats, you know, up on the fourth floor. So he goes up, you know,

what, what's going on. And Bob Segherini says, well, we've got these cats and they won't stay in the box. So Moses says, okay, I'll hold the box while you do the shot. That's the kind of guy, he's the president of the station, but he's going to get down dirty and help them do this stupid thing with the cats. And as he's holding the box, Segherini gives him the middle finger for some reason. He can't even explain why he did it. I guess he was annoyed that the skit maybe wasn't going to be as funny.

And the next commercial breaks, it's, get out of here. You're fired. Oh, man. You are fired. Wow. And he left. And that was the end of Lake Ray Movies being hosted. The next night it was just Mark Daly saying, welcome to Lake Ray Movies.

Now his version is about 30 minutes long and way funnier than mine. But that's the kind of cool shit that used to go on there. That's to be determined. But yeah, Edison Twins, man. I mean, cool show. What a cool idea to even ask him to do it.

Yeah, absolutely. Bob, I've been thinking about bringing him on because I'm sure he's got some great stories. I'll tell you later why I haven't yet, but that's for after the recording. Let's kick out another jam. Come and sing a song of the forest. Let us sing a song about animal kind.

Water, air, and land spread out before us. Searching for some ants and seeing what we can find. Children's Underground Club of United Missing Beaver. For enthusiastic reporters. Children's Underground Club of United Missing Beaver. For enthusiastic reporters.

Yeah, so we're into the TVO segment of Themology. And Cucumber was, you know, one of the greats. And, you know, you had an amazing episode recently with Muffy the Mouse. Oh, thanks for setting that up. I only had Muffy because you hooked me up with Nina, who's a fascinating person. because you hooked me up with Nina, who's a fascinating person. I mean, Nina is remarkable in that she worked on absolutely every important Canadian kid show, like all of them.

Right. There's nobody else like that in the world. And she's just such a lovely person. And anyways, Cucumber was created by Clive Vanderberg. That was his first sort of show, a kid show at TVO. And he went on to do today's special. But, you know,

Cucumber, the mouse, or sorry, the moose and the beaver. And this leads to terrible confusion when people say, I remember a show about a moose and a beaver. People say, oh yeah, you're talking about Rocky and Bullwinkle. I know, I don't think that's what it is. It was made in the 70s. It had a lot of SCTV people in it, but it was rerun for like 20 years. So they would run it in the 70s. It had a lot of SCTV people in it, but it was rerun for like 20 years. So they would run it in the 90s. You would see it if you were staying home from school sick. That's crazy, man. This universe where TVO was a go-to place for kids programming,

unlike today where it's so diversified and fragmented. Well, they show Paw Patrol. I mean, it's great that they show Paw Patrol but it's not weird right paw patrol is on netflix used to be you would see these wacky things that you never see anywhere else you're right tv you know it's interesting an aside because my my kids will watch um arthur on tvo in standard definition but on cbc kids it'll be in HD. It looks like shit on TVO, man. What is going on?

for the HD version. Oh, I know. That's funny you say that because I always have to squint when it's on TVO. It looks, you can't watch, and I like,

I'm a big Arthur guy. Oh, Arthur's amazing. I'm a big Arthur guy. Great theme song too. Great. Oh yeah, yeah. Ziggy Marley, right? In the Melody Makers.

Fantastic. Fantastic. But not Canadian, so we can't play that. We can't touch that one. Let's do the, Ziggy Marley, right? In The Melody Makers. Fantastic, fantastic. But not Canadian, so we can't play that. We can't touch that one. Speaking of TVO, let's do another one here. Read all about it Discover all the news

Read all about it Track down all the clues. With interesting people there's a mystery to be solved. An adventure is unfolding, so why not get involved? Come on and read all about it. That's the spooky stuff there. That's the best part. Now, did you, I don't know if we've talked about this, did you study that show in school?

Because it was part of Ontario curriculum. I don't remember it in school. You might have been a little bit too old for that. But yeah, man. Grade 5 reading, that was a unit that we did. We watched all 12 episodes of Read All About It. So it's only 12? Of season 1.

And then season 2 as well. I do remember watching it on TVO. I just don't remember any school doing it at school. Yeah. So one of the great finds I had recently was the teacher's guide which was given to elementary school teachers. And it had sort of here's some ideas that, you know, when you watch this episode, you can talk about this with your kids. And, you know, it's really about journalism and fake news.

And it kind of blew my mind that they were in the 80s, you know, talking about what are you going to run a story in the newspaper? Check your sources. Don't rely on one person. Don't fall for this. And I guess the message was lost because we are drowning in fake news, right? You're right. You're right.

Seriously, a lot of these programs were really teaching proper fundamentals. We were being educated. It seems like now it's Paw Patrol. You know what I mean? It seems like... Well, Paw Patrol is You know what I mean? It seems like... Well, Paw Patrol is written by an algorithm. There's not even humans involved anymore, unfortunately.

The big one, I don't know, your kid just started... Your kid would be into it too, but the big one now in this house is PJ Masks. Oh, yeah, PJ Masks. Huge, but that's a Disney thing. I mean, it's... I thought it was like some European thing. It's probably a Cobra, but it's Disney handling it here.

I didn't know that. Okay. Because even we told Jarvis, who's going to kindergarten, he needed a bigger knapsack to fit his lunch bag or whatever. And we're like, pick out anything. And I'm like, oh, he's going to pick Batman or Spider-Man. It had to be PJ Masks. Yeah, dude.

That stuff is huge. Oh, this is some nostalgia coming when I hear this. Let's not even hesitate. Let's dive in. Hercules, hero of song and story. Hercules, winner of ancient glory. Fighting for the right, fighting with his might. With the strength of ten ordinary men.

Hercules, people are safe when near him. Oh, my God. I'm so happy. Yeah, I watched a lot of Hercules, man. Well, that was Mr. Johnny Nash, the great reggae singer who went on to have a huge hit with I Can See Clearly Now. Everybody knows that song. See, I only know that fun fact, which I repeat to everyone who will listen,

because you had told me that at a previous visit. Oh, did I? Geez, I'm repeating myself. No, please, repeat yourself. I love it, man. You know everyone who will listen, because you had told me that at a previous visit. Oh, did I? Geez, I'm repeating myself. No, please, repeat yourself. I love it, man. You know, it's funny, though, hearing that now. It is slightly homoerotic.

Softness in his eyes, iron in his thighs. What a classic, eh? Listen, if you're going to dive in like that, the Flintstones theme song says we're going to have a gay old time. Oh, yeah. Well, that provided endless hours of hilarity in the 80s to us kids. I'm certain

actually that Global, right? Was it Global that would air? Because they would air this Hercules and they would also air the Rock at Robin Hood. Were they some kind of group together? Global was Hercules. Well, they were made by the same production company way back in the 60s. They look the same. However however it was global that had hercules it was city tv that had rock

robin hood and they the episodes themselves are only five minutes or so so sometimes they would run them as like an interstitial between other programs other times you try your tuck would be exactly one bite of the food and then throwing it. You get like the half hour loop of all of these things. And it was like insanity because yeah, the intros would eat up like half the time. But Mighty Hercules, I don't know why it doesn't get its due. It's,

you know, it's a huge, it was a huge deal. Even then in the eighties, it was already old. Right. So it was, I knew that I could tell I was watching something old,

even as a kid, like I was watching Hercules. I felt like I was watching something old, even as a kid. Like, when I was watching Hercules, I felt like I was watching something old. You know what I mean? Something about, like,

you would see, like, little black part, but I don't know, not pixelation, obviously, but artifacts kind of. Like grain in the film.

Yeah, like it just looked old. It's not hair in the film. Yeah. Well, yeah, because they took it from 16 millimeter films

that had crap that was caught up in there. But, you know, my, the great mystery of Mighty Hercules was there was Daedalus, the evil wizard who was the main villain, and then there was the Iron Mask. And I, for some reason as a kid, I thought the Iron Mask was Daedalus just wearing a thing over his head. Maybe I thought so too, because I don't even remember the Iron Mask.

Daedalus was the main guy. I remember Helena, right? And I remember, of course, Newt. Newt. Daedalus was the main guy. I remember Helena, right? And I remember, of course, Newt. Newt. Herc,

Herc. Newt, yeah. It's me, it's me. Which was the best. Herc, Herc. And I remember,

like, I still remember he put the ring on. And I mean, as a kid playing games where a ring would make you powerful and strong or whatever,

and then Olympia or whatever. Well, and that was kind of, when you think about He-Man, I have the power. That was almost the exact same shot of, you shot of the electricity coming down.

Speaking of homoerotica. Well, there we go. Oh, man, I don't remember the iron mask or whatever, though. I don't know why. I'll send you a picture. If you do a side-by-side, it's like, I think it's Daedalus just with an iron thing over his head. I'm thinking maybe I thought it was,

and then that's why I think they're both Daedalus or whatever. Yeah, send me the picture. Let's check it out.'s another uh themology 101 jam Ah, Serenity. That's classic Canadiana. What did the bud say? Canadianity? Canadianity. That's classic right there.

Donald Himes on the keys. I mean, I don't know if you remember the old episodes. He was actually in some of them, and he would be playing piano live for the skits and things but what I always liked about that of course it's just tranquil and it's so chill and it's like you just hear it and as a kid

again you'd be home from school sick and it would just be like oh okay this is lovely well since you're my age this was our jam like this Mr. Dress Up is i mean i remember loving the friendly giant because i mean he would put out a chair for me and i would be excited it was a chair for me and rusty and everything i loved friendly giant but mr dress up like i mean

casey and finnigan like this was just he was our mr rogers well totally have you seen the mr rogers not yet but i'm i need to see this oh my god dude it's it's phenomenal as as you know we suspected it would be it's amazing and it just reminds you of that age when having an older man in a cardigan was that was what kids watched it seems so alien now that you would do that but that's what it was. And we were like, we were clinging to every syllable, you know, like we were really engaged. Enraptured by these people,

you know? I remember Finnegan, Finnegan wouldn't talk. I guess he would only whisper in Casey's ear or whatever. And somebody, I think this might, I got a tribute,

somebody pointed this out to me. I think it's Jody's Jumpsuit on Twitter that Casey, the gender of Casey, when a kid would ask the creator, is Casey a boy or a girl?

It was intentionally ambiguous. And then they'd throw it back at the kid, like, what do you think? And then if the kid said a boy, Casey was a boy. And if the kid said a girl,

Casey was a girl. Oh, that's classic CDC. And that's interesting in the vein of this current, this thing going on with Ernie and Bert, which I don't, this thing going on with Ernie and Bert, which I don't quite understand. I mean, Ernie and Bert, in the books I read,

they're young. Like Ernie needed Maria to hold Maria's hand to go to the mall. And then Ernie got, this is the book I read to Jarvis. Of course. And Ernie got lost in the mall. I don't think we would have malls, like a big department store.

Ernie got lost. And, you know, before cell phones and stuff, Ernie had to go to the desk clerk and then had a note, a thing to page for Maria. And then Maria, this whole thing, like, I got the sense Ernie was like a, I don't know, six-year-old or something like that. So how do you, I don't even understand why we're applying like sexual preferences on TV. Well, you know, it's funny.

HBO now controls Sesame Street. And there's some who suspect this whole thing was just, you know, it's funny. HBO now controls Sesame Street and there's some who suspect this whole thing was just, you know, meant to drum up some faux outrage and get people talking on Twitter about it. Look, they're modeled after the odd couple, Felix and whatever the other guy's name is. Oscar. Oh, Felix and Oscar, of course. I mean, it's the grumpy dude and the nice dude. And, you know, they have these squabbles and it's like Finnegan or Casey. You can read into it what you want. Frank Oz,

who basically created those characters, he stumbled onto Twitter and it was kind of sad. He got totally pilfered. Oh, I saw this. He said, I can tell you they're not gay because I created them. And he said, it's not that there's anything wrong with that.

It's just that we weren't thinking about that. Let me ask you this, because I'm like, people accuse me of being some kind of bleeding heart lefty and like, I've been accused of being a pinko or whatever. So let me tell you this. I honestly,

I don't understand if even making the claim that somebody's not gay, when did that become homophobia? You know what I mean? I know. Like, it's bizarre. Like, if I said, I'm not gay, when did that become homophobia? You know what I mean? I know. It's bizarre. If I said I'm not gay,

if I were nothing wrong with being gay, if one of my children were gay, it doesn't change a damn thing. But I don't understand this world we live in when that's become controversial that Frank Oz said that Ernie and Bert were not gay. And he's a homophobe. Right.

That's right. That's right. That's right. Quite the leap. By the way, every Christmas, you probably watch It's a Wonderful Life. The cab drivers are named Bert and Ernie. And I don't know if this is for sure, but I think we all assume

that was how they named those characters. Oh, totally. Totally. I can't tell you anything because you know everything. Well. Everyone knows that one. Everyone knows thatnut yeah here's an old chestnut you know that one obviously a lot of people maybe won't recognize that right off the bat that's the kids of degrassi street that was the original degrassi ground zero for this empire that's still growing today and all of us grew up with different iterations of Degrassi. There's a huge fan base, obviously,

for the Next Generation. Drizzy came out of that and all these other people came out of that. And then there's the Degrassi Junior High people that swear by Joey Jeremiah. All the way with Stephanie Kaye. All the way with Stephanie Kaye and all that stuff. All of those ones had great theme songs too.

But for my money, the Kids of degrassi street that is just a very short very maudlin it's kind of sad song and it's very nostalgic and and i swear by that series i think you know it was shown to us again in school as part of curriculum in the early 80s yes that one i remember we would go to the local library and they rolled it in and played Kids of Degrassi. Exactly. And it was very low key stakes. Like somebody said something bad about somebody else. And that was the, you know, now on Degrassi, it's like someone's going to blow up the school and somebody's transitioning from a girl to a boy.

And, you know, it's very high stakes. But Kids of Degrassi was kind of chill. And it was all Leslieville in the late 70s, which it was like every episode it was autumn and the kids had jackets on. If you look at it now, man, it's like one of the great time capsules of Toronto. And Wheels was on it, but as Griff. He wasn't Wheels yet.

He was Griff. There's a weird, yeah, diegetic universe, kids, junior high, I don't know. But also Wheels' dad. Who's in Port Hope, I think. yeah diegetic universe kids junior high i don't know but uh also his wheels his dad uh he's in port hope who's in port hope and the the classic twitter handle that that shows up from time to time does that tiger knows a bit about that one um but in in kids in the canadianity in kids of degrassi the same actor that that played wheels his dad plays griff's older brother and he's totally the same

character and he's calling people retards and being totally politically incorrect but awesome you know there's a word i think we i think our teachers were using that word back in the early 80s that word uh yeah that was had it was used a little differently back then but the other word of course i'm'm telling you, and you remember we're the same age, but you wouldn't insult somebody. You said they were gay. That was the go-to insult.

Or you would say a thing was gay. Oh, yeah, yeah. Like math is gay. Oh, that's gay. It meant lame. Absolutely. And now, oh, my teenagers, if they ever heard me use gay to mean lame,

I would never dare, of course. The absurdity of it is, as you mentioned the Flintstones, gay really meant happy before. So even in the 80s when you're saying something was gay, you were really saying the opposite, right? You're saying it was happy. Oh, language. And of course, when I say you're the shit,

I'm not calling you shit. It means you're the shit. It's calling you shit it means you're the shit it's a good thing it's a good thing okay here's one that's foreign new to me finally

something I don't think I heard before so let's play this one baller yeah great jam but what the hell was it that was the theme song for a cbc program called the collaborators and it was a really gritty police drama that took place in toronto and it had like nazi bikers and russian agents and all this brutal really a violent show in the early 70s. And again, it seems so strange to think about this now that CBC had programs like that. That lasted a few years. And then they had another police show called Side Street that was kind of the same thing. And again, I don't know why it's never been re-released or put on DVD or anything. It's never been re-released or put on DVD or anything. It's just sitting in a vault somewhere at CBC.

But it's an incredibly violent Toronto, the mean streets of Toronto that people wouldn't even recognize now. Oh, man, I want to see this. With a funky jam kicking it off. That was a total 70s jam right there. And I got to send you the actual viz for that you know yellow the old yellow squad cars flying around all like it's like sarsky and hutch in

toronto basically oh i want to see that because you get a bit of that in like strange brew for example totally and uh even police academy the first one yeah there's a little taste of that going on the mid 80s was kind of the end right right. Right, right, right. And that's back when, because you and I, again, only two years difference, and I can tell you, my Toronto, like going downtown

was always a big deal, but it was parking lots. Everywhere was parking lots, right? Yeah, tons of open space. I would love to like, yeah, if you left the city or whatever in like the mid-80s and you just decided

to come back now and, you know, take the cake to Gardner downtown and check it out, you wouldn't recognize it. Like it was all just these flat parking lots. And just big, you know, take the cake to Gardner downtown and check it out, you wouldn't recognize it. Like, it was all just these flat parking lots. And just big, you know,

I love those shots from the island of the skyline in the 70s because it's like, you know, you got the CN Tower. Yeah. But it's wide open. Yeah, you're right.

It's just an absolutely wide open, beautiful space. And then you look at it now and you're like, okay, that's great. Now we've got a million condos and all these other things. But yeah, it's a different planet, really.

I mean, even Mimico has a skyline now. Oh, yeah, I know. You see it from the Ronces Bridge really well. And you're like, that's Mimico. It's just Mississian Tower. It could have been Toronto from the late 70s. But the collaborators, so how did you discover the collaborators? Is it just because you're retro Ontario and that's what you do?

How did you come discover the collaborators? Is it just because you're retro Ontario and that's what you do? How did you come across the collaborators? I had read a lot about these early CBC police shows because that was kind of like, CBC now, what do you think about their prime time? It's Murdoch mysteries and very expensive, these sort of pseudo historical dramas. But really in the 70s, there was the police shows and there was the beachcombers, right? © BF-WATCH TV 2021 that that's a that's right up there you know that's that is right up there with like the

littlest hobo as far as i'm concerned yeah that's a big one i think so i mean people forget the beachcombers ran for like 15 years i mean it was an institution at the cbc and the sad thing is that because of one of the actors he passed away and his estate will not allow it to be repeated or monetized in any way i didn't know that yeah that's the sad reason why you don't hear much about the Beachcombers anymore. Relic. Goddamn Relic's family. Because he was my favorite character on that show, was Relic. In death, his family, his estate turned out to be Dick's too.

But yeah, it's kind of lost its place in the pantheon of great Canadian television because young people just simply don't know what it is. And it was the West Coast. It was a very Vancouver thing. They still celebrated a lot out there. And there's a jam. You didn't give me this jam,

so you're not going to hear it today, but the other show, Danger Bay. Yeah, Danger Bay. A little later. It's 80s, and it's kind of got,

we were talking earlier. It's still Vancouver. It's totally Vancouver. And ironically, the star of Danger Bay, he died recently. He was also the star of the collaborators.

He was the main policeman in the collaborators. He was a big back fucking deal. What was his name again? You can't remember. I know. I remember

because when he passed, I remember diving into like his IMDB and whatnot. And he was a big star. He was in a lot of things. And he ended up doing life insurance commercials at the end of the line.

I had a crush on his daughter on, what was her name? Ocean. Oh, on Danger Bay. Was her name Ocean? I think so, because they were big into that, right? Anyway, back to Beachcombers.

Totally, what I remember is, I remember 6 o'clock on CBC on Sundays. You had to watch The Wonderful World of Disney. That's right. And I'm pretty sure, you'll correct me if I'm wrong, but I remember I think maybe post-Disney, Beachcombers came on because I remember it would roll into Beachcombers. Yeah, it was like Disney. I mean, this was for a segment, but it would be into beach yeah it was like uh disney i mean this was

for a segment but it would be wonderful at disney at six uh beachcomber no fraggle rock at seven and then beachcombers at seven okay that's right yeah and that was a killer two hours man i mean that was like you know sunday kind of cured the sunday night blues in a lot of ways. So Beachcombers, back to Beachcombers. The next track is actually just a little piece of a track because the original is too long. And I would compare it to, I know you're a huge fan of the Tragically Hip. You know how when they would play

New Orleans is Sinking live, there would be this bit in the middle and on any given night, Gord would go off in a different direction. It comes from that for example. But there was different rants or different bits. So this is from a song called National Film Board Security Guard

by a punk band from Vancouver called the Sik Sik Yaz. And they're this amazing band. I urge people to look them up. So this song is about working for the NFB as a security guard and guarding Canadian cinema. And when they would play it live, they would do these a la New Orleans Sinking bits.

Sometimes they would do the Great White North, Bob and Doug riffs, and sometimes they would do their take on the Beachcombers. And I just love it because it's so aggressive Nice. And that's the sick, sick yaz. The sick, sick yaz. But been out of, you know, out of circulation for a while.

But some of their stuff is online. I was going to say, not to be confused with the ya-ya-yaz or the sick, sick yaz. Oh, man. You know what? Give me punk versions of classic Canadian shows like that

every day of the week. I know, isn't it? I mean, I will bet you money now, though, Mike, that in the future, a punk band from Toronto or from Canada will do an absolutely killer cover version of the Paw Patrol theme because that is just begging for a punk cover

it's practically a punk song already yeah exactly oh man uh this one's a long one but yeah well let's set this up just a little bit i mean we're gonna get into the city tv stuff now and one of the great another one of the great things that that mimer, I think, brought to City TV in all of his endeavors was this kind of devil-may-care attitude about copyright. His feeling was, he said this to his producers and the people who did the on-air spots, if you find a good song that you want to use, then use it. And what's the worst that's going to happen? We're going to get a letter from a lawyer saying, stop doing this. and what's the worst that's going to happen? We're going to get a letter from a lawyer saying,

stop doing this. So I'm sure you know a lot of city TV shows used pop songs. They didn't do cover versions. They actually just used- Right, like I'm Still Standing by Elton John, for example. Absolutely. Or they used a bunch of different ones for Brian Linehan. And so as a kid, I didn't know what these things were. I just thought, oh, it's the theme song from City Line

or whatever it may be. Now, this one, of course, everybody remembers, but they associate it, I think, with the program. I'm thinking of Jeannie Becker right now I'm thinking of boobs right now I don't know about you because it would air on a Saturday or a Sunday

both it was on Saturday and then it was on Sunday night in the middle of the day and yes lots of nip slips a lot of boobies yeah they're at the catwalks in Paris and Milan.

But how many guys like us watched it for that? How many episodes of FT did I watch looking for a glance at an eight cup? You know what I mean? Yeah, there was no other way back then to see that kind of stuff. Not at that time of day. No. Yeah, it's too funny. All these memories of stuff. Not at that time of day. No. Yeah, it's too funny. I just, all these memories of that.

And this song, I had it on a I had a cassette called the hit album it was called or something like that. And it was on there and I was like, oh, that's the Fashion Television song. Like, here it is. Fantastic. Yeah, and the other crazy thing was they obviously used it

for FT, but they also used it for movie television which would come on after fashion television um they didn't even want to give that its own theme because it was also genie becker um and then there's a great story i've heard from joel about when they finally got the lawyer's letter that said you gotta stop using it you either gotta yeah the cease and desist like you either gotta pay us or you gotta stop using it. The cease and desist. You either gotta pay us or you gotta stop doing it. So they stopped.

I don't think anybody remembers what the next songs were but this was FT for a very long time. I'm shocked that you could use the theme that long and then it's just stop or pay instead of like pay.

You know what I mean? Well, I mean, nowadays, geez, it would never even. It wasn't flying below the radar. No. Like we are doing here. Not only that, they were selling fashion television around the world. It was being syndicated around the world. So they were not just using Animotion.

They were using other songs in those series. they were not just using Animotion. They were using other songs in those series. And the reason why those tapes are all gone now is when Bell acquired Chump City in 2007, they looked at this and they said, we can't even fix it. Like the master tapes have the music baked into them. Nowadays you can remove that song.

So you ask Jeannie Becker why there's no fashion television anymore. Nowadays, you can layer it. You can remove that song. You asked Jeannie Becker why there's no fashion television anymore. It's because the music killed it, unfortunately. You can't separate them, right? It's like flat and true, like you said. Yeah, wow. Like when they released The Married of Children on DVD. They didn't have the rights to Frank Sinatra. So brutal, man.

But I did hear they did eventually re-release the DVD with the Frank Sinatra. So brutal, man. But I did hear they did eventually re-release the DVD with the Frank Sinatra song. Yeah, they probably, by season four or five, they sorted that out. But those are early days of, yeah, home video releases, they would have to substitute a different track in. There's a lot of examples. There's a couple of famous

examples. One big one is The Wonder Years. Oh, yeah. WKRP was hobbled for years. They couldn't even put it out or maybe they did eventually. They eventually did

but so many scenes had the music baked in. Yeah, exactly. Classic scenes that if they didn't if they cut them out nobody would buy

the DVD. I know that Wonder Years had a pivotal scene, maybe it's a pilot episode or something, where it was The Doors Light My Fire. Oh, yeah, for sure. And they didn't want to pay, I guess, for that song.

I don't know what they did. They didn't want to cough up the cash for that. And they put in a sound like, oh, my God, it changes everything. Did you ever watch the show Quantum Leap? No, but I know of it. Scott Bakula. Scott Bakula. And it was a time travel show

but it really had phenomenal songs. It used a lot of pop music because if he was in the 50s or the 60s and again they had trouble with home video because when they went to release it, they couldn't clear the music and they had these integral scenes that had Stevie Wonder

in the background. Lawyers and businesses ruining everything. They really do. I just want my WKRP with all the original music intact because I love that show. Love that show. All right. Here's another City TV song everybody's going to know. Thank you. Tell us what we're listening to, Ed. So that's Papa's Got a Brand New Pig Bag by Pig Bag.

And of course it was used for many years as the opening song for the new music. It was really the era of the new music that was Kim Clark-Champness, Laurie Brown, Denise Donlan, and Daniel Richelieu, I think, was in that era. That's quite the roster. I know. Can you believe how cool all those people were? That's like the, was it the 27 Yankees or Murderer's Row? Murderer's Row, exactly. And, you know, man, I can't talk enough about the new music.

New music was the blueprint, never mind much music, new music was the blueprint for MTV. I mean, the people that started MTV in New York City were looking at videotapes of J.D. Roberts and... Christopher Ward. Jeannie Becker. Jeannie Becker, not Christopher. Christopher Ward was City Limits.

City Limits. And that was 80... So MTV had already gone on air, and City Limits was the dry run for much music. But yeah, man, new music uh was the sort of ground zero for so much important music journalism um and this tune i mean my god i remember in high school when i realized this was another band it wasn't just you know a cd tv song uh it really got me into ska and and all that kind stuff. It's a cool jam. Like, just listen to that. It's bad beats, man.

Pigbag. There's a band name for you. Yeah, cool jam. And I i mean we kind of alluded to it earlier but uh when you talked about it was like a mausoleum or whatever when you're going to chum city building or whatever but this was uh my station because it was cool it had character and it was so fucking cool for like young mike and teenage mike and all everything about it was cool. And big core, big cable companies who gobble up this part and then a different company gobbles up the other part and kind of sanitizes it and then sort of strips

away all this like funky character. And then it becomes very sanitary. Not only that, I mean, you know, I know young Mike was looking at this stuff and you think about how much you learned. How much did you learn from the new music or from Rap City or from Electric Circus about music? And there was no internet. There was no way to go and Google these things. You learned about it from these broadcasters. And now I don't care that there's

an internet. You could still be playing this kind of stuff out. It just doesn't make sense to them economically. You just reminded me that Master T promised me he would do Toronto Mike this summer and today's the last day of the summer. Unless Master T is at my fucking door. What time is it? Is it midnight? We got till midnight?

I think we have a couple more hours. Only that? A couple more hours? Okay. So Master T, if you're listening, you know where you need to be today. Be a man of your word. But man, yeah.

I mean, you talk to somebody like Ed the Sock, for example. I mean, Stephen Kersner. Did you know Ed the Sock was Stephen Kersner? Did you know that? Yeah, I know Stephen Kersner. But there are, yeah, I mean, I miss, I sound like an old man again yelling at a cloud. Maybe I need to get with it.

But they kept changing what it is, and now I don't know anymore. Great Simpsons quote, but no, you're right. I butchered it, though. You butchered it, but no, you're absolutely right. You know, people always say, oh, look at YouTube. You know, the people on YouTube, the vloggers on YouTube. But if you go to a vlogger on YouTube, that's one person and that's their channel and it's all about them. The beauty of something like MuchMusic was you had like 30 characters that were coming in and out in different times.

And it wasn't like you were subscribing to one person. And I don't know if you could ever replicate that anymore. Right, because Michael Williams had different thoughts of music and different things to share than Steve Anthony or Christopher Ward. You're right, this was like a... It was so diverse. It was so diverse. Any hour of the day that you blew by that station,

you got a musical education about different genres and different bands and the other big thing that we talk about a lot is how those vjs were music fans okay when they started to replace them with beautiful people and i'm not saying that the other guys and girls weren't beautiful but they were a certain look i know what you're saying they didn't really know much about music. They were just beautiful people. They were presenters. Exactly. They were like, you know, the Price is Right girls.

Right. And I think it lost a lot then even. That's before YouTube. Yeah, we're a couple of old dudes lamenting the good old days. That's why when I listen to the radio, I still like Bookie on 88.1. Oh, totally. Education. Bookie knows and loves his music. Get schooled by Bookie, man.

Can't get Bookie in here, though. Oh, is it a contractual? No, he just doesn't want to talk. It's okay. I asked him a couple of times. He said no. But Master T said yes. And what about Michael Williams? I had the same event where I got Keith Hampshire. What an what an event john donahue snuck me in radio vets the whole

thing roger ashby you name it radio vets everywhere and i'm like first of all half the people i don't know who they are because uh their voices and names and i don't know the faces because you know what i mean but then i'm like oh like someone's like oh who is it uh oh evelyn macko recognized me because she was on my show and she she goes, let me introduce you to some people. And she goes, that's Keith Hampshire. The day before, I had kicked out the sports jams of Mark Hebbshire, okay? And number one on my list was OK Blue Jays. And Keith Hampshire sings on that.

And I'm like, Keith Hampshire? I got to get him on. He was there. Bill King was there, okay? So she's like, oh, you got to get Bill. This is Evelyn Macko. You got to get Bill King on your, that's all it takes, man. I put a mental note in there, get Bill King was there, okay? She's like, oh, you got to get Bill. This is Evelyn Macko. You got to get Bill King on your, that's all it takes, man.

I put a mental note in there, get Bill King. What a fan. Have you listened to the Bill King episode? You're missing out, Ed. I can tell you haven't. Listen to the Bill King episode. I will. Honestly, honestly, amazing.

And then Michael Williams, I see him. Alan Cross was there too. I think Alan Cross was the youngest guy in the room next to me. It was an older crowd. But I see Michael Williams and I corner him and I ask him again. I'm like, you got to do it. And he says, oh, write me an email.

We'll do it. We've gone back and forth. He kind of says he'll do it, but every time I say, okay, let's book a day in time. Like, what's a good day for you or whatever? He kind of gets quiet on me. He gets quiet. But I know.

I got to get some of these Much Music hats in here, man. I'm working on it. Speaking of Much Music. Speaking of Michael Williams. Speaking of Michael Williams. This is Rap City coming your way every week on the Nation's Music Station. We provide culture, we provide music, and we are the source of the beat in Canada. That's right, we are the source. We provide culture and we provide music.

I mean, come on. What more do you need? That's all you needed, man. And I love that show. I used to record it to VHS. Well, it's funny. The reason I brought that along, I thought, in addition to being an amazing theme song,

is you, many years ago, gave me some of your VHS tapes. You know what? Honestly, I forgot. What happened to these tapes? Well, they're still in the retro ontario archive and i have i have looked at them oh no um but you had this one tape it was so classic it just said music videos i'm like oh this is gonna be great i can learn about what young mike myself what young mike was was looking at here And the very first video on there was the Kelly Bundy

song. Nobody knows I love Kelly Bundy. First of all, is it Fine Young Teenage? No, I can't remember the name of that band anymore that did a Kelly Bundy song. I loved that song. If I go to people,

you go to somebody today and talk about the rap song, I love Kelly Bundy. They're like, what the fuck are you talking about? But that was obscure, man. But I used to record, I don't know. Yeah.

I loved that fucking song. Well, it was Rap City. I mean, it was like. You know what? I now want to know what, because I have not looked at that tape in 25 years. I want to know what videos

I had recorded. Well, I can send you the playlist because I did do that. But it was like the Kelly Bundy song and then, and props to you, there was like

eight Big Daddy Kane songs in a row. I was a big, big Daddy Kane fan. And I was like, okay, that's why we get along so well because we were listening

to the same music. I love Big Daddy Kane big time and I loved his delivery and you know, he was on Fear of a Black Planet, for example,

as I walked the streets of Hollywood Boulevard, claiming a hard-o's for those who starred in the movies portraying the roles of butlers and maids, slaves and hoes. Many intelligent black men seemed to look uncivilized when on the scene. I don't sound anything like Big Daddy Kane, unfortunately. I wish I did, because then I would never fucking shut up.

But yeah, the rap, that was my meme before grunge. Kind of like the Guns N' Roses and the hair stuff. I love the hard rock. And then I love the grunge. And then between, all I listen to is hip hop, I think. Yeah, man. And clearly you were watching a lot of Rap City. And I mean, Maestro, he talks about Big Daddy Kane.

He wanted to be Canada's Big Daddy Kane, right? That's why we love that first record so much. We do. We do. Yeah, especially the videos by Joel Goldberg. Is he going to listen to this? I think so. So I got to say some nice things about him.

Hey, Joel. You're a good guy. And he's going to bring Ziggy here so Ziggy can kick out the jams. And he's going to kick out the jams. Isn't Joel from the same place as Michael Williams? That is correct. They're both from Cleveland. They're both from Cleveland.

And the Browns won their first game in like two years. It's hot in Cleveland, man. Joel's excited about that. Red hot, red hot. Red hot. Oh. Yeah. You ready?

Let's do it. Thank you. See, now I've got the Dream Warriors in my head. I can hear King Lou and Capital Q in my head. Of course. My definition of a boom-bastic jazz singer. And, of course, Austin Powers. Yeah. You know, the two big institutions that co-opted this track, which, you know, Quincy Jones, you know, there's no slouch.

But it was really a game show from Toronto that brought this song, you know, to the forefront. Because 1972 or 1973, CTV, CFTO, Scarborough, Agent Court. Right. Uncle Bobby Land. Uncle Bobby Land did this great game show called Definition, you know. And what was his name? The Weatherman.

Rob something. Rob? Oh, no. Jim Perry was the host. Dave Duvall was the announcer. And, of course, they didn't play this version. There was a sort of a Casio,

cheesy version of definition, but clearly the Dream Warriors buzzed out on it, and Mike Myers buzzed out on it, and what a cool song. It's a tripping awesome. Isn't it called Bossa Nova? Soul Bossa Nova was all bossa no bossa no right yeah and I remember when I realized it wasn't just like the definition but yeah great jam

Quincy Jones whatever became of that guy I have no idea but that we talked about maestro and you know I was thinking of DJ Ron Nelson who's been over here and you know we talk about Maestro and Mishimi

and the Dream Warriors and the Dream Warriors recorded that album at DJ Ron Nelson's house yeah it's crazy I know and yeah

that record that felt I think it was the same year it was like the Mishimi album came out, the Dream Warriors. Maestro was blowing up. Rumble? Do you remember Rumble?

Of course. Safe. It's a big single. Safe. And then there was also the Mr. Metro. Oh, yeah, yeah, of course. And this was all happening at the same time. And I remember-

Devin or something? Devin, that's right. It really felt like Toronto hip hop was going to take over the world. Now, we had to wait another 20, 25 years. But we did eventually do it. We eventually did do it.

But yeah, man, that stuff is amazing. It still sounds great. My daughter was at We Day yesterday. This is a big thing at I think Scotiabank Arena

which used to be called the Air Canada Centre. But she was there and she was telling me the DJ was Cardinal Fischel. Oh, wow. Busy man. Because he's that bridge

between Maestro and Drake. Totally. Oh, man. We had a scene here. But Mr. Metro was a great jam. But that album by the Dream Warriors was called

And Now the Legacy Begins. Again, recorded at DJ Ron Nelson's house. And it had my definition of a boomastic jazz style. What a fine, like that perfect, as DJ Ron Nelson says, the Toronto hip-hop had a bit of that island influence because it's really enough.

And you could really hear it. Like that's really influenced in the Dream Warriors. But that's great. Quincy Jones' definition. Fantastic. What will they think of next has been prepared by the Research Unit of Science International. do you remember that show i definitely remember the show but i don't really remember that theme song really i mean okay so that what will they think of

next was what they call a magazine show so it was was diane buckley or diane buckner on that show or am i confusing it with another show no i don't think she was it was the host of that show died this year as well and of course the only person that acknowledged it was 1236 our friend mark wiseblood um but again that was a program as a child that i found fascinating because it talked about innovation in science and technology and you know i feel like you know yes there's stuff you can look at that now there's channels and websites but this was a very concise half hour magazine show and it would have animation and and their sort of um their innovation was you'd see the host would be in a little circle sort of up in the in the top quarter

of the screen and that tune that theme tune again it's very modeling kind of sad um but when i don't know when i found it again after 30 years it almost brought a tear to the eye like oh yeah man the good old days of like the future we're gonna have flying cars that passed away what was the name of this host i want to say that explains why you didn't say it because you can't i can't remember man it's okay you know we're getting older also getting old what are you drinking right now so i can tell the people i am drinking well Canuck Pale Ale to me is, yeah, the classic GLB. When I can't find octopus, I'll reach for that. Do you know octopus is now

12 months a year? It's not seasonal anymore. Can I just say thank the great Lord for that because it was kind of silly that it was hard to find because it's just such a lovely, crispy boy. But you know, it had its desired effect because they'd yank it and then when it would come back, I'd be excited it was coming back.

So it did have that. That's what Disney did forever with their... It's going back into the GLB vaults. But can we take this moment to say, WTF, Electric Circus, make that one not a limited edition, because everybody heard about it, and you couldn't get it for love nor money.

No, they didn't make enough, because they didn't realize there was going to be a viral image of Joel Goldberg. Goldberg got a can, right? He did. And that was amazing because if anybody deserves one,

it's Joel. Well, yeah, I'd be pissed off if Goldberg didn't get a can. What will they think of next? I wonder what show I'm thinking of now with Diane Buckner. There's a show I'm thinking of now from back in the day in the 80s with Diane Buckner. Oh, Live It Up.

Live It Up, yes, that's it. Yeah. Which, you know, it's funny you mention that because that would be in this playlist if I had it. That's a holy grail. Live It Up. Let's see what we can do. Wasn't Dave Hodge's sister on that show? I believe so.

He revealed, and maybe we have a hookup that way. Let me see what we can do. Wasn't Dave Hodge's sister on that show? I believe so. He revealed, and maybe we have a hookup that way. Let me see what I can do. But let's kick out another, what is it called? Themology 101 jam. Yeah, my man Elwy. I mean, we play Magic Shadows a lot. Saturday Night at the Movies probably doesn't get the props, but that's a beautiful little piece of music and i think it always set the table you're gonna watch two black and white hollywood movies uh on a saturday night with his fantastic interviews and that's that was

the differentiator he would he would add some context to it like and he would educate and then yes he was the reason we tuned in. Absolutely. He was the king of movies. You talk to Richard Krauss or you talk to Norm Willner or any of the great Toronto film critics. Well, that's both of them. I guess you're right. That's the last

of the finest. Is he doing movies now? Yeah, because he switched from music. He was doing music for a bit. He wears a lot of hats. Yeah, no, he wears a lot of hats. There's certainly a lot of the old school film critics

of Toronto will all talk about Elwy in revered tones. I just had one of the Garys on. The last episode was with Gary Cormier of the Garys. They presented a lot of kick-ass cool music concerts in the late 70s and Garys. They presented a lot of like kick-ass, like cool music concerts, like in the late seventies and twenties.

Oh yeah, man. Big deal. But at some point in the interview, he mentioned Peter Gabriel and I, it went fine. I'm like, I wanted to call him out on it.

Like, what do you mean? You don't mean Peter Gabriel. And after he left, it occurred to me that I think he meant to say Peter Howell. That's an easy mistake. Yeah, anyway, they're very similar people. That's funny.

Uh-oh. I'm excited. This next one, I don't know if many people have heard this next one. It's so obscure. It's very obscure. Let's play it and find out if anyone even recognizes it. Thank you. Hold that up again. I'll take your phone. Oh, yeah.

This comes from a Max, Max Milk vinyl. This was given out at Max Milk stores back in the day. And that was, of course, Hockey Night in Canada theme by Dolores Clayman, the wonderful British lady who came to Toronto and gave us this and gave us a place to stand and gave us the theme for Ontario Place and a million other fantastic pieces of music. Right. Actually, that's right.

Before I started the Kick Out the Jam series, you came over to Kick Out the Jam, remember? But it wasn't your favorite songs. It was the great songs and you played out, you kicked out some Dolores Clayman there. I can't believe you almost buried the lead there. So Max would sell vinyl?

Yeah. I mean, look, vinyl was a disposable thing back then. It was the Toronto Star would put out vinyl. You'd go to a movie and get a free 45 RPM vinyl. It was just something that promoters did. But is this like the Foster Hewitt or whatever calls of these great moments in hockey? Yes.

It's a killer record. Gordie Howe's, let's see, his 700th career goal is on here. Brett Hull's something about, I don't know, just says he's reputed to have the fastest shot in hockey, but I don't know what the play is. But this is amazing. Yeah. That kind of stuff, obviously,

I really am looking for videos and videotapes and films. But when I go to these thrift stores or garage sales and I see things like that, I can't not pay a quarter to get that. Another episode you should listen to is Stew Stone. Yes. No, I did listen to Stew Stone. Oh, you did listen to Stew Stone because his dad ran the hockey card, baseball card memorabilia shop, whatever. There's a lot of that stuff in there. But amazing.

That's amazing. Max exclusively presents great moments of hockey. I just took a picture. I'll tweet out shortly. But Hockey Night in Canada. And that song, of course, now TSN or Bell Media owns it, just like they own the Much Music stuff.

And they play it for like World Juniors, I guess, gets it. Not quite the impact. But back in the day, I don't have to tell you, you heard that tune, Come On. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's Saturday Night Live, man. I mean, it's like, come on. And Bob Cole and Harry Neal were my two guys.

And Saturday Night Leaf game, Bob Cole, Harry Neal, Ron McLean, Don Cherry. It does not get any better. No, there's actually nothing better. Yeah, nothing better. Reside me here. It's interesting. That book just arrived.

David Schultz. It's coming out this week or next week. It's called Hockey Fight in Canada. The big media face-off over the NHL. It's going to be all about how CBC loses it to Rodgers and Bell's involvement in all that. Amazing. Amazing!

So we're in the grown-up stretch now of the themes. Just to cue this one up, I mean, we are now into the one American song. And I think it's important because growing up in Toronto, you and I have talked about this a lot, we got the Buffalo stations.

And so before the internet, before globalism, my understanding of America was through the lens of Buffalo. Lots of fires. Lots of fires in Tonawanda. And of course, the great Irv Weinstein, who sadly passed away this year. And what an absolute legend that guy was. And so WKBW, Eyewitness News, had the most baller theme song. And it took me years to find a clean recording of the song,

which is actually called Move Closer to Your World. It was used in a couple of stations in America. But of course, the Buffalo is the one that we remember. So play it for me, Mr. DJ. It's 11 o'clock. Do you know where your children are? Thank you. Do you remember Jesse and Gene? Oh, of course. They used to do this little bit about

crater face herb wines. So cruel. Anyway, fantastic part of GTA history. Well, when he died, it was interesting because they talked a lot about how his family talked about when Irv Weinstein came to Toronto, he was treated like a hero, right? Because all these Canadians watched WKBW Eyewitness News. And he always had these funny things he would say

like pistol packing pumps, punks, and these alliterations he would use to describe things. They don't make people like that anymore. He was a real original. God bless. I don't think I ever sought out that newscast, but I

would spill into it from something. I'd be watching, it would come on, and then you'd kind of catch a few minutes. You'd get that opening, and then you'd learn about the fires. Yeah, there was always a fire. Or the bills. The fires and the bills. I remember a lot of bills and fires.

And my favorite was the It's 11 o'clock, do you know where your children are? Because that's a crazy thought, right? And he lived a nice long life, though. He did, and he made a big impact on a lot of people's lives, and you can't ask for more than that. And we're talking about him. So shame on Jesse and Gene for making fun of his...

Not cool. No, we don't agree with Jesse and Gene on that one. So let's move it back into our city limits for this next one. Oh, here's a classic so yeah man that's the sound of City Pulse at 6. That was my newscast. That was the one I sought. Totally. And it's funny because everybody knows the Rocky song,

but that's not the original. The original by Bill Conti is quite different. It's going to fly now. This is going to fly now. This is going to fly now. This is the Maynard Ferguson cover. And very different, a much more jazzy version. Yeah, very cool. I feel like I know other stuff by Maynard Ferguson. Yeah, Maynard Ferguson, legendary jazz guy.

Stuff by Maynard Ferguson. Yeah. Maynard Ferguson, legendary jazz guy. Funny as well, back in the day, City Pulse at the City Pulse Tonight used another Maynard Ferguson cover. It was like he was their go-to guy to do covers of other. It was a temptation song they used to use. But the other cool thing about City Pulse at Six was, of course, Glenn Cole at the assignment desk would be like a wrestling announcer. You know, he would say, today in Toronto, over top of that fat opening. And, you know, Moses's vision of news back then was that it was like a soap opera, right?

It's like it's a day in the life of Toronto. And his news announcers were characters in a soap opera, right? It's like, it's a day in the life of Toronto and his news announcers were characters in a soap opera. And so it was presented almost like a narrative, which is so fucking cool, man. And it's now everything is so very septical and very serious. And of course the world is a very serious place, but it was back then. And I'm sure the world is a very serious place, but it was back then.

And I'm sure when you get Peter Gross in here, he will tell you all of these amazing things that they were allowed to do back then. He was hoping, man. Work on Moses. Get him in here. I will do my best, sir. Because, yeah, the music. I mean, can you imagine starting a newscast with this now? It grabs you by the balls. It's like, what happened today in Toronto? First of all, it's the fucking Rocky song, okay? I'm ready to pound some beef, you know what I mean?

Yeah, man. Like, I'm ready to climb the steps or whatever. Yeah. I'm like, oh, that Rocky. I mean, there's a movie. Put on Rocky for me. I think I'll run through a fucking wall after I watch Rocky.

Oh, man. Gets the blood pumping, man. It works. But I mean, you in the past, you've played us songs. For example, what's that funky Sesame Street song? Oh, the Funky Chimes.

Right. And like all these things, these cool 70s, funky, jazzy things. That sound, man, just cool, right? Yeah. I don't know about you. I listen to a lot of Jazz FM because I find as I get older, I don't know, maybe it's like you start to respond more to that sound. Then you need to listen to the Bill King episode of Son of Mike.

And then maybe if you have a couple of beers in you, go for the Molly Johnson episode. For sure. It's a great doubleheader header and then do the Keith Hampshire because this guy was on Pirate Radio oh I know Keith Keith Hampshire's CBC music shows were and Bill King was his first

no Bill King's first national broadcast was on the Keith Hampshire whatever they called his show Music Express or something like that Mark Daly should be Music Express or something like that. Mark Daly should be talking now or something like that. I mean, again, we were talking earlier about that lineup on the new music,

but you think about the lineup. Hit me. The lineup of City Pulse. I'm ready. Gordon Martineau. Mark Daly. Jojo Cinto. Jojo Cinto.

Ann Marszkowski. Ann Marszkowski. Ann Marszkowski. Just tweeted at me yesterday that she's ready for round two. Bring it on, man. I know. Maybe you could play some of those Gordon Martineau outtakes on the next one. Oh, man. Yeah.

Anyway, that's happening. So who else? I want more. So Jojo Cinto, of course, you mentioned. Gallagher, was he doing? Oh, yeah. I mean, again, we're bleeding into other years. No, I know.

But like a soap opera, right? You had characters that stayed a long time. You had characters that were only there a short time. You've had Gallagher on here before. Have you read his book? I did. It's kind of a very, it's a page turner, right? It's lots of gossip about what was happening there at the time.

He promised to send me the version before the lawyers chopped it up or whatever, but he never did. Apparently a lot of stuff got cut because they didn't want to get sued. Of course. Oh my God. You know what that's like. All right. Speaking of City Pulse at six, let's move on to the next jam. City Pulse tonight. It's really begging for a voiceover.

You know what I mean? Tonight, murder in the beaches. Tonight, the Jays lose again. That's Peter Gross. Yeah. I mean, it's perfect for a late night newscast because it's kind of urgent

and it's changing tempo all the time. And this, you said, this is Maynard Ferguson again? No, no. This is Graham Shaw and this is a song called Pentatus.

Pentatus. Okay. Pentatus. Okay. Pentatus. And Graham Shaw is a very interesting cat. He did a lot of jingles in Toronto. I think I've told you before, these jingles guys all hate each other's guts because there's only like five of them, and they all claim, I did the pizza pizza.

No, no. You stole it from me. It would make a great feature film. But anyways, I think Pentatus is, I don't know. You hear a chunk of that and it's like the 90s just comes alive. This was the entertainment

when they would talk about entertainment. Up next, Howard Hussain with the weather. Right, you don't need an umbrella if you're going out tonight. If you're going to be at the Toronto Zoo, then bring a picnic. Oh, an entertainment,

a Laurie Brown maybe? Well, Monica Dio did entertainment for a while. Liz West at some point. Liz West did a time. There was this guy, this British guy

with a, he always wore a bow tie. Do you remember him? What was his name? Man, so many cats. You need a cheat sheet. I know, know man but there were so many cats i mean yeah holy shit it was just what a time to be alive and it's funny because you know everybody

that i knew at the time uh you go to somebody's house for dinner and maybe their dad would they would be a cbc national dad or there'd be you know a cfd boyd ro national dad. Or there'd be a CFDO. Lloyd Robertson. Yeah, there'd be the more serious dads. But my dad always rocked City Pulse. And so I grew up watching City Pulse. And I guess that's why it turned out the way that I did. Thank goodness.

Thank goodness. Because that was cool. I mean, to this day, I have some blind spots. I don't know. At 378 episodes, people can usually identify them. But I felt a rivalry of some sorts between City TV and CTV, whereas I still can't watch any CTV news. You know what I mean?

Oh, yeah. Even though the City TV now sucks too. That's an understatement. So it's like because City TV was good, you still have the loyalty to the brand. To be honest, when it comes to news, I'm all CBC now. Yeah, that's the safest bet, really.

And my buddy Dwight Drummond is there. Oh, yeah. And Mike Wise, another good buddy there. And a patron. Fantastic, man. Yeah, and again, how funny is it that we're sitting here playing music from a news broadcast?

I mean, you think about now, news broadcast, there's no recognizable music really. I mean, do they even have that anymore? I don't even know. Good question. Yeah, listen to that. We'll finish strong and then we'll head into the next jam. I'm So this is from the hilarious house of

freidenstein the one and only what's it called march of the martians march of the martians and it's by jean-jacques perret who did a lot of moog records back in the day that were sampled by hip-hop guys and again it's funny because chch uh in the hammer

they didn't clear this either right they just thought it was a cool song and of course the original show had vincent price doing the intro and then it kicked into this but when they would repeat this series or put it on dvd they couldn't use this piece of music because they hadn't cleared it. So it was a sound alike. But this is the original. I'm kind of shocked to hear about these like CHCH and City TV who would be sort of like

it's easier to beg forgiveness than ask permission. But that's the move us pirate radio broadcasters in our basement, we do that because we're flying below the radar but those guys they're gonna be discovered someone's gonna hear it maybe but maybe not right maybe uh today somebody would someone could tweet right away they're using your song over here well i mean it's like sampling and hip-hop right a lot of guys sample things sample

zeppelin or sample the beatles and they kind of mess with it a little bit and and they kind of it's almost like a throwdown like can you track this back to us can you come after us but you know that frightenstein we've talked about it to death but it was such a weird thing anyways uh to hear some moog synthesizer at 5 a.m. in the morning with Billy Van in prosthetic, it was a very strange experience. I'm glad you played this because every time I mention Hamilton on the show, which surprisingly often, a lot of Hamilton references. I usually get a tweet from Jake the Snake because he's a big Hamilton booster and he loves it when Hamilton gets a shout out. So there's Billy Van,

Hilarious House of Freidenstein. And I'm not sure if you knew this, but there's actually a Billy Van museum in Hamilton now. It just opened up a few months ago. Let's make the road trip buddy. A buddy. You should have the curator on.

I created a video for them of all of billy van's commercials that runs in the museum get out of here go through there i i haven't even how many episodes was it going to take for you to mention this little nugget it's only like your 10th visit or something no it's a new thing it just just opened up recently i haven't even had the chance to go visit it because you know the hammer is so far from it is. It is far away from Scarborough, yeah. But I want to, and I'm sure it's an incredible thing. It's long overdue, right? Oh, yeah, for sure, for sure.

And remember, every time I mention that fun fact about the Billy Van Singers doing the Spider-Man theme song. Yes. I remember last time you told me it was a different Billy Van, but it's not a different Billy Van. No, I never told you that. Who told me that? Well, it wasn't me. Maybe it was Mark Weisblatt. No, it was Mark. Billy Van, but it's not a different Billy Van. No, I never told you that. Who told me that? It wasn't me. Maybe it was Mark Weisblatt. No, it was Mark.

Yes, okay. You're off the hook, Ed. You know your shit. Mark from 1236 thought it was a different Billy Van, but of course there's only one Billy Van. There's only one Billy Van, and he's the man. He's a multi-talented freak. And his name got thrown out here earlier.

I didn't get a chance to follow up, but I do come bearing gifts in the form of a new anecdote about Uncle Bobby. Oh my God, yeah. Do you want to wait on that? Okay, so let people know as we approach the two-hour mark here that we have one more jam to go.

It's a bonus jam that you're going to play for us. So yeah, now is a good time. Okay. I'm going to drop this bomb. Let's do it. This bonus track bonus track though can outro us right you know it doesn't uh it doesn't need much by way of explanation but i was working with this kid a young kid from ryerson who was doing a project and he wanted to interview me and so of course i'd love to support young up-and-coming students and i said for sure and i let him look at

all my stuff and he interviewed me and he said oh uncle bobby he said yeah i noticed you're in into that you talk about uncle bobby on toronto mic and things he said i have an anecdote it's not even a story it's an anecdote and i said okay i love that and he said yeah my babysitter was this girl and i forget her name but her she was obviously older than this guy and her and her mom i hope so she's babysitting them they had gone on uncle bobby towards the end like the dark days like the early 80s and the babysitter was very young and the mom took her and he said her mom was quite well endowed and had had been wearing sort of a low-cut like jennifer marlo like a jennifer marlo kind of

person yeah and they went on the show and then afterwards if you were in the studio audience you could hang around and meet uncle bobby so that girl had said, oh, I really want to meet him. And so her mom had said, okay, sure. So this is a horrible anecdote, by the way. No, I can't believe how amazing this is. So they hang around. It's the Agent Court Studios in Scarborough. And Uncle Bobby is doing the rounds.

And then he comes over. And the mom steps forward and says, oh, hi, my name is such and such. And my daughter really wants to meet you. And Uncle Bobby immediately jumps towards her chest and buries his face in her chest and starts motorboating her breasts. And then he stands back and says, oh, I'm sorry, I didn't hear. What's your name? I thought, man alive.

It's a good thing Uncle Bobby was not operating in the current age. I mean, the fact that this kind of thing went on and was unchecked and he was a children's entertainer but that's so uncle bobby it's total uncle that is so good it's like vintage uncle bobby right and you're drinking uh just update the crowd wants to know what over my dad over my dad body and it's it's great so of all the of all because you had several uh and i should tell the people at home though you're not driving home i have should tell the people at home, though, you're not driving home.

I have to tell the people. No, I'm taking the GO train from Mimico all the way back to Scarborough. I'd have to punch you out and take your keys. That's what I learned in my training. So enjoy. Yes, you're enjoying responsibly. Good. Now, of all of them, have you had a favorite?

Is it still octopus? You know what? I got to say the Toronto Island strawberry mango was absolutely delicious. You were going to say dope, right? I was going to say dope and then I stopped myself. It was delicious. It was so good

and I can't think of a better way to see out summer 18. No, I'm so glad you're here. So what we're going to do is I'm going to play this bonus jam as we wrap things up and then I'm going to come into Lowest of the Low

who are coming here in November to play live. Wow. And we're going to have a... This is what Ron Hawkins and Lawrence have agreed to. A real talk about the Canadian music industry because I've heard too many stories from starving artists, great musicians that we know from the radio and much music who were like busting tables to try to pay rent.

I need some real talk on how hard it was, how hard it is for a Canadian musician who's not Nickelback or Rush. You know what I mean? So we're going to talk about that. And they're each going to bring five, Lawrence Nichols and Ron Hawkins are each going to bring five of their favorite Canadian jams.

Cool. Kind of a spin- five of their favorite Canadian jams. Cool. It's like kind of a spin-off of Kick Out the Jams. And they're going to play something from Shakespeare My Butt live here in the Toronto Mike studio. Is that amazing? The Toronto Mike environment, I think you mean. Right. You're right. You're right.

Just like Moses designed it. So, yes, that's going to happen. But let me just say thank you so much for coming here. Is there any way I could get you to get the beer? You should want to do this. But imagine you came every quarter like Mark Weisblatt. Like you guys were each a quarterly visitor. I like to come here when I feel I have content that is worthy of your time.

So it takes a while to compile all of these things. Twice a year then. Now we're negotiating. No, Mike, I would love to engage you maybe on another podcast that we could do outside of this. I don't know. Oh my goodness. You need to talk to the sales director of TMDS.

I'll put you in touch with him. And you are, again, we mentioned this earlier, but you will be back in December. For Christmas Crackers Volume 2. For Christmas Crackers Volume 2. Unmissable. Thanks so much. Let's hear your bonus jam. Alright. No

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No, no comment. No comment. And that brings us to the end of our 378th show. You can follow me on Twitter at Toronto Mike. Ed is at Retro Ontario. Our friends at Great Lakes Brewery are at Great Lakes Beer. Can you say brewery for me? Say it.

Brewery. Brewery? Brewery. Brewery? Brewery. I'm going to work on that. How come it's so difficult for me? I don't know.

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